#Add A chat channel where we can post about our projects and find testers.

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empty tundra
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Afaik this discord is for developers to help developers yes but we have specific channels for that and the 5 minutes is so mods don't have to sit there and wait for you to fix it all day. A strike sucks but it's the consequence for not spending the extra minute looking for the correct place to post it. This discord isn't meant to help you find testers but to help debug issues, talk to fellow devs, and discuss most things Unreal. There's tons of places to find or hire testers but that's not really what the vibe is here.

Conversations don't happen much over in the creations section because developers don't tend to be your target audience (certain great plugins being the occasional exception). IMO that's not really something the mods need to handle other communities (like r/destroymygame) handle that well enough as is.

grave wasp
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Testing is a paid job

hearty swift
spark ridge
# grave wasp Testing is a paid job

my point was the format is not helpful for communicating freely with other developers. and the creations section is basically a no mans land of hey look at my project. I would be willing to help other devs test their games.

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not to mention I see a pile of other people asking for the same thing

spark ridge
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those "channels" you refer to are not open communication they are a posting system designed for showcasing ITS NOT THE SAME thing

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there are like 2 other posts on the same subject in the last 48 hours, obviously i am not the only one that feels this way

empty tundra
# spark ridge there are like 2 other posts on the same subject in the last 48 hours, obviously...

I wasn't yelling just pointing out counter arguments tbh I wouldn't care either way but I keep seeing it brought up so I figured it point out the flaws in the argument

They are a posting system but they have a chat specifically for that game making any conversation in that chat much more likely to be productive vs having a dedicated channel (which as I said isn't something the mods want this discord to be) where your game would be posted asking for testers, if you go look at other discords you'll see these channels generally follow 2 paths either they are just spammed with no meaningful conversation or they are devoid of any activity at all. That doesn't really sound appetizing, to me testers should be

  1. paid
    Or
  2. compensated some other way

For example a demo or free access early can be ways to entice gamers and if they give feedback it's more likely to be useful IMO especially if they are the target demographic.

hearty swift
spark ridge
# hearty swift If you want paid testers then <#780559951663857724>

ok. for the 4th time. I am looking for a place to chat with other devs like me.. who are willing to test each others games, and help each other with development questions while testing etc. Not looking for free work. fucks sake you think a solo dev who is full time, barely scraping by suddenly has enough money to start handing out salaries? There are many people like me who would be willing to trade playtesting time with each other.

You want to get paid playing video games go apply to a AAA studio, its not going to be a thing in the indie space unless its an established studio and at that point its not really indie any more is it?

hearty swift
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I was replying to the other guy who said testers should be paid. Not you.

spark ridge
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okee,

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honestly I am pretty disappointed by the gatekeeping and negative responce so far. it sucks

hearty swift
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It's simply not the place.

spark ridge
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yes it is the place, though

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there are many many devs here

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i whole heartedly disagree

hearty swift
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According to most other people and the mods and server admins, it's not. You can disagree all you want, but it's not your server.

spark ridge
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I already have made a bunch of relationships through here and have had a lot of devs come by my discord

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we test each others games a lot

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its actually really good

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I dont understand the aversion

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honestly guy it feels like your just kind of here to shit on my idea, what is your reasoning why you think this is not the place?

hearty swift
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From my pov it's about malware and liability. I'm not a mod, but I wouldn't want potentially 100k people to install malware because I promoted it on my discord.

spark ridge
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that is really pessamistic my friend

hearty swift
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Admins have expressed issues like "it's based on reciprocity, you test games of other people and they test yours, but that's not what you can expect from this server because a lot of people will just want you to test theirs"

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I think it'd be a cool idea. I really do. But only for smaller scales where there's elements of trust and easier moderation.

spark ridge
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Not everything needs to be heavily moderated though, people need to be responsible for themselves we can not attempt to shield each other from harm to this extent

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its futile and leads to impedance

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and situations like this where an obvious need can not be filled

hearty swift
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Have you seen the job board and the amount of scammers that live there and try to sell stolen things? People are dicks.

spark ridge
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No, but I believe it.

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I think this line of thinking is problematic though, as it underestimates peoples intelligence.

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A place where devs can trade playtesting time is all i am looking for

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and post and discuss their projects without getting strikes

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the existing community creations channel has a format which does not encourage discussion

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its more of just a place to post pictures etc, but not great for discussion

stoic flame
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In my POV this will always remain as a place for technical help with unreal engine. Not a gamedev discord, nor a testing discord. If you want a tight knit community of work4work, that's something you foster. Not something you try and convert a 100k member discord into.

Because that won't work. It will be people that primarily want their stuff testing, because it's a help forum where that is the status quo.

Stack overflow isn't a place for getting tester help. The epic forums aren't a place for getting playtesters. Neither are gamedev specific. Why is here different?

Plus the whole malware exposure, especially in a discord that already attracts scammers.

Two prior feedback posts are not the indication of most devs wanting this.

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We do have places you can post and discuss projects, that already exists.

#1054845120236757103 not having much project interest is not a fault of the channel or it's uses, it's simply that people don't see this discord that way imo.

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There's nothing wrong with such a system existing. I like the idea and support it, I just don't think it's what here is

spark ridge
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thanks for the response.

I'm not trying to convert anything, just create an additional space for like minded devs willing to help each other, with the sheer volume of developers here, it would probably help a lot of people.

stoic flame
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I know what you're getting at. I personally see it as a conversion, because I view this as a place for industry happenings and technical help across all industries the engine is used for. To me such a space is inherently indie game dev based, which is not the purpose of the server in my view.

My language is by no means objective and I don't wish to imply that you're "trying" to do something. :P

spark ridge
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I am sure there are risks, but the benefits would probably outweigh them, in my opinion

stoic flame
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I think there's definitely a gap with what you wish, but it benefits more from closer knit smaller communities that know each other, whereas this server has a lot more coming and going which would naturally lead to a lack of reciprocation.

I think it's a great opportunity to foster a new community, as the last thread about this ended with. I just don't think it's right here.

spark ridge
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its really hard to find people because, of similar roadblocks all across the internet its just really frustrating honestly.

I know epic wants to help developers. this would help.

empty tundra
spark ridge
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huh

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i will check that out

empty tundra
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It's a pretty cool space and probably more of what you are looking for the tester channel is newer so ymmv

spark ridge
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yeah for some reason I am not able to find this discord. maybe its me but its not coming up on my google search, This one is at the top of the list, and its funny I really thought this was it as I remember them plugging it on their livestream a bunch back in the day.

stoic flame
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I believe you're looking for "Epic for Indies"

spark ridge
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thank you kind sir, I will check it out this evening

plain fossil
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# spark ridge I think this line of thinking is problematic though, as it underestimates people...

I think user intelligence is not a good enough defends against scams. Sadly we do get the occasional scam report. And we really have to be careful with any external links, especially to executables. Really, the server is too big. I can also imagine a smaller community is more inclined to test other's games. Here, due to the size, people just take less time with other's issues etc anyway.

spark ridge
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its fine i cant take the post down, this is clearly not going to happen but thanks for chiming in.

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its too bad honestly, but IDGAF at this point. people dont want to help each other, the world is full of scammers yadda yadda. im over it

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really sucks but its typical.