hardware

[west quail]

Your right didn't think about that

I will probably just unplug hard drive

And upgrade later

[whole nova]

Hey, I was looking into a PC upgrade but instead I'm thinking of getting a laptop that supports an EGPU for when I dock it to my home setup, since I've been travelling a lot more recently, and remoting into my home pc using my current subpar laptop and bad upload speed (not upgradable) has been a pretty unproductive experience. Does anyone have any laptop recommendations (probably i9 or similar) and/or experience using a similar laptop and how it performs in UE? Just dont want to take a massive performance hit by getting a laptop instead of say, a desktop ryzen 9 upgrade, and end up paying more for it.

Fair enough, Im expecting to have to pay more for it, just hoping its not 2-3x but so far its looking close to that. However, I dont have a great idea of how much performance I realistically need, so it probably wouldnt matter if i lost some.

Other option is going mini-itx and bringing it with me, since I can setup a couple monitors at the 2 places Ill be travelling to the most and dock it there

[median marsh]

if you pay twice the price, i would get 2x the same desktop and some esata disk 😄

if it's just for two stationary work places

or a drive bay for 2.5" ssd

icybox has a neat one where the SSD is in a case, and you can put it in the drive bay for SATA connection, and you can use it as external disk with esata or usb

[fallen oasis]

They're nice for hotswapping I guess?

Kinda hard to hotswap somethng screwed to your motherboard.

[median marsh]

yesn't

he should obviously have an pci-ex M2 in each system, to copy the data to 😛

i mean, sata3 does blasting 600mb/sec(?)

i've never said that SATA ssds are bad per se

my point is just, that pci ex isn't much more expensive, and the overall better choice if your mainboard supports it, or you have a spare slot for a $15 adapter

but maybe i'm the only one who hordes assets here, and likes to get fast search results when searching in the asset browser 🤷

[whole nova]

This is the part list Im thinking of going with for a desktop https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MqrLyK

Which after looking at good laptop prices is probably what I'm doing....

[median marsh]

which gpu?

[whole nova]

Going to keep using the 1080 in my current build for a while

[median marsh]

why B550?

[whole nova]

Dont really need the extra lanes or pcie4 AFAIK

[median marsh]

x570 is also pcie4

[whole nova]

I thought B550 was pcie3 and x570 was pcie4?

[median marsh]

the link between chipset and cpu is

so anything that connects to the chipset has more bandwidth, which could affect 2nd m2 slot

depending on the mainboard layout

[whole nova]

Doubt ill use the 2nd m2 slot, ill probably end up reusing at least one of the SATA ssds in my current build

Main will be the m.2 1TB

Although im thinking of making it 2TB considering how much ive abused my current 1tb drive

[median marsh]

i don't see any drawback from picking an x570, so why not just take it? 😄

you can save on the power supply, fully modular is unnecessary imho

you gonna connect the atx cable anyways 😄

they have those cables already?

otherwise i would expect them to want to sell you a new PSU rather than a cable which makes you use your old PSU 😄

[whole nova]

Why do all the nice looking Aorus boards have to not have any USB-C 😭

Looking at X570 boards

None of the Aorus boards seem to have USB-C? At least the ones Im looking at, most others in the price range do.

Yeah its probably just lower down in the list, I have it sorted by cost

They probably all have a front panel connector anyways

[median marsh]

well, beside of that chipset thing, your build looks fine to me

heck, even the b550 will probably do fine

it's just that i dont see any drawbacks from going x570

[whole nova]

Seems to save some money, thats pretty much it

[median marsh]

yea, but would rather save on the case or psu 😄

[whole nova]

Fair enough

[median marsh]

how much is the difference tho (in your country)?

[whole nova]

Im in the US

maybe 30-50$

[median marsh]

GIGABYTE X570 AORUS Elite seems to have an usb-c frontpanel connector

at least

[whole nova]

Yeah that boards actually cheaper than the B550 one right now on amazon https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07WL5MFXL?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[median marsh]

also seems to have good reviews

[sour whale]

so Question about my rig is the CPU being bottlenecked by the GPU?

Motherboard: ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0
CPU: R5 2600
Ram: 16GB DDR4
GPC: Asus 3060 OC 12GB

Im tempted to go for a R9 5900X but i think i may need a motherboard update as its tiny and i cant anything around it

[sour whale]

Gaming at 1080p at least 60fps
Unreal 5 work
3D modeling
Zbrush
Streaming and gaming

lots of lumen yeah because lighting and i do want to add GI properly

[wild parrot]

ok I know this is late but I ran UE5 editor on the Deck in Linux and it works well enough for small games

wouldn't use it for anything with massive maps or lots of nanite though, partially because UE Vulkan support isn't great so don't try and make a whole game on it or something but I was surprised at how well it ran

[opaque pond]

can anyone look at this?

[wild parrot]

I wouldn't on a non XT 6600

my 5700xt is cutting it close and the 6600 is quite a bit worse

if you have one it's probably fine but I would save to get a 6700xt if I were buying a card

[opaque pond]

well

i might just try anyway

it should be better than what i had before atleast (gtx 1060 3gb) @wild parrot

[wild parrot]

oh yeah for sure

how much more is the XT tho

[opaque pond]

like 100€

[wild parrot]

yeah I just checked

fair enough then

[opaque pond]

looks like a fairly cheap for the job card

its not gonna use that much power either

so i guess

[wild parrot]

if you're using a 1060 a 6600 is gonna be a big upgrade

[opaque pond]

i mean.. i already got it , thats why i said i might as well try it ( i thought maybe about returning it but uhh)

[wild parrot]

well if you already got it just run the editor LMAO

best way to find out

[opaque pond]

imma try it in a sec

[sour whale]

dont forget to get graphics drivers

[opaque pond]

it does have drivers

and its running really smooth

[sour whale]

have you updated them tho

[opaque pond]

yes

[sour whale]

okay good

i made that mistake and forgot to updatemy drivers and it was hell

and then i ended up corrupting my windows somehow

[opaque pond]

ye

only issue i got now is with UE taking a bit to load up

[opaque pond]

is an ssd recommended ?

[vivid skiff]

Almost obligatory

[opaque pond]

so that could be the issue as to why its taking so long...

well uhh

how big?

[vivid skiff]

1 TB

[opaque pond]

for unreal and projects

[vivid skiff]

That's my minimum recommended

Go for 2 TB if you can

[opaque pond]

could 512 do?

[fallen oasis]

No

[vivid skiff]

Nope

Your Unreal project can easily reach hundreds of gigs, not including the tools, Derived Data Cache, and more

[opaque pond]

this wont be the main system drive

just for UE almost exclusively

[sour whale]

even better if you get an m.2

[vivid skiff]

Still, 1 TB if you can purchase it

[opaque pond]

i already have an M.2

and no space for more

[vivid skiff]

My ideal setup would be a couple of 2 TB NVMe M.2s, and a full sized 4 TB HDD for backups

[opaque pond]

so UE5 + 2 UE projects are around 140GB

👀

[sour whale]

i have
1 1tb m.2
2x 2tb hdd
1x 128gb ssd (getting replaced soon)
1x 1tb ssd

[vivid skiff]

My UE4 projects already took up around 300 GB, including the custom built 4.27
Not including 5.1 that I'll modify soon

[opaque pond]

i got 1 512gb m.2 , 1 512gb ssd and 2x1TB hdds

[sour whale]

im tempted to take out one of the HDDs and get another larget ssd

and maybe use that hdd in another system i might be building same with the small ssd

[vivid skiff]

Again, still, 1 TB if you can.
You could've added more assets down the line and you could run out of space before you know it

If you can't afford one, well, you gotta be careful with working on your stuff while saving up for larger storages

[opaque pond]

could a big HDD do?

[vivid skiff]

Not really, HDD bottlenecks UE by a huge margin, especially if you compile C++ codes

However HDD can be viable for storing backups, where slower I/O speed don't matter much

[opaque pond]

ye i do compile C++

and it takes a bit

[vivid skiff]

From my observations, compiling UE C++ code pushed my current HDD I/O more than the CPU

[median marsh]

sure a HDD can do, if you have a big bunch of patience

is it fun to work with? no

and i guess how much space you need for UE depends heavily on your project

i'm having a full 1TB ssd and considering to upgrade to 2TB, because i already had to move stuff on my system drive -.-

[opaque pond]

yeah its not....

[past rapids]

is this a good device for working on ue5? Best I could find affordable

https://dl.flipkart.com/s/NMw7fYuuuN

[narrow lake]

I have 16 gig of ram, will it be enough?

[median marsh]

depends on what you want to do

can work out, but can get borderline to swapping on disk and slowing everything down

[mighty cosmos]

I know for my next build I'm going for 128GB
With 64GB it is still sometimes barely enough

Yeah, it's gonna be 1 hard pill to swallow 😅

[fallen oasis]

Memory is a hard limiter for compile speed. Gotta balance it with the number of cores you're going for. If you intend to use a source build.

[low smelt]

So I'm overdue a new phone. I've historically gone with Android phones. Considering all the advancement in photogrammetry and mocap apps for smart phones, is Android still strong, or is most of this development happening with iPhone?

[flint wave]

would recommend 32 or better 48 gig at least

[white seal]

what specs do you guys recommend upgrading using Unreal

I have a
Ryzen 5 3600
16GB ram
1500 GB SSD
3050 RTX (8GB Vram)

oh

pinned message

[knotty lion]

no prblems i think

[white seal]

today am getting 2tb SSD cuz well

pain

[white seal]

ah okay

this is my main drive btw

[rough prism]

I have a 7 years old computer with a NVIDIA GFX 970 and an Intel Core i7-4790K CPU with 16 Gb of RAM. Can I work with UE5?

Thanks.

[white seal]

your cpu and ram is fine

well not 100% certain abt cpu

but should work

[rough prism]

Thanks @white seal

[white seal]

as for your Vram

yeah you should be fine with ur GPU

now

do double check

as I am also learning lol

[rough prism]

ok

[rough prism]

me too!! Hahahaha

[white seal]

aren't we all lmao xD

okay uhh

correction

your GPU may not be suited for UE5

@rough prism

[rough prism]

ok

What GPU is suitable for UE5?

[white seal]

anything 8GB

vram

minimum 6GB

you have 4GB

so smth like a 1660 will work

@rough prism

[rough prism]

And this is a difficult question because it is an opinion one: Will you waste 3000$ on a PC or 1500$? I don't know if I'm going to pay off 3000$ before I need to buy a new PC.

[white seal]

that's up to you

[rough prism]

Hahahaha

This is the problem: I don't know what to do.

[median marsh]

well, your system would run UE5, but you are quite limited, as said above mostly by VRAM, so no fancy high res textures, or rather not a lot of them

[rough prism]

I need a lot of money to start developing game by myself

[median marsh]

do you have experience with gamedev?

[rough prism]

OK. I'll continue with my system until I have enough money to buy one.

[rough prism]

Not a lot.

[median marsh]

then i would first give it a try, guess maaaaaany people give up at some point

then upgrade what bottlenecks you, it will be either GPU or system memory

i worked quite a while with a 3rd gen i7 😄

[rough prism]

I'm not going to give up because I've been working as a software engineer for 22 years and I bored about what I did. But you are right, I can give up.

@median marsh Thanks. It is a great advice.

[median marsh]

but don't upgrade DDR3 memory, unless you really get it cheap

[rough prism]

I've only bought a SDD

[median marsh]

yea, that one is really necessary

[rough prism]

Thanks

[high glade]

do you mind recommending some GPUs for games development? Im thinking about getting a 3070 ti and it has 8gb of vram, but im unsure what to get if you're saying 8gb isn't enough

[past rapids]

how would rx6800m be for ue5?

[past rapids]

could not find any in nvidia in my budget lol

Seems to be close to 3070 tho

[white seal]

nah don't worry

will only cost you 6 legs and 3 livers

you should be fine

[past rapids]

lol

[fallen bough]

My previous RAM order has ben cancelled by the provider

I'm thinking to buy this one now: Apacer Panther AH4U32G32C2827GAA-2 32 GB (2x16) DDR4 3200 MHz CL16 Ram

What do you guys think?

Does brand really matter btw

That's my only anxiety

RMA experience?

I only have two sockets so it'll be fine

Ah, I see

yeah

Why, is it better to stay with total of 16?

[edgy oyster]

16 is enough for gaming, but more is always better when using heavy programs.

[fallen bough]

I dont know why but my only pita is VS + R# or Rider combo, UE and rest of the softwares are really fast as 32GB ram users

[edgy oyster]

I'm using 24 (DDR3 because it's an old pc) and it works fine.

I haven't worked with big projects yet, so there is a probability I'm going to run into RAM shortage.

[fallen bough]

I'm able to open 60GB of projects with 16GB ram, load times are quite slow as expected but not fatal

[edgy oyster]

Yeah, 16GB works fine, but I suggest more for UE

[pure remnant]

anyone developed with a logitech steering wheel before?

it's a real ballache - seems there's this harsh deadzone when turning the wheel

i looked in my project inputs, but it's not accessible.

[median marsh]

see, because unreal is some kind of talent in several areas, there are points where you can hit peaks. e.g. i have an character fbx, which got a lot of morphs, the file is ~70MB, when i import that into unreal the memory usage goes up to 40GB

another thing is light baking, if you plan to use static lighting with baked light (which imho for a lot of games is still the best option) you will also need a lot of memory

[north arch]

can you do a day/night cycle with baked lighting?

or cycle between baked lightings to mimic it?

[median marsh]

yesn't

you can have different lighting scenarios, so one for day/night for example

but no smooth transition

you could still bake a few if you have the patience 😄

so the baked lighting is stored in a sublevel which you define as lighting scenario, and you stream the baked light in/out

[north arch]

I could bake 24 and cycle between every in-game hour?

[median marsh]

yea

[north arch]

that sounds run it on vacation painful and big for the end user

[median marsh]

really depends on your project

i wouldn't probably aim for 24 states

[north arch]

yeah

[median marsh]

a good solution would be to have a night scenario where lights are turned on, and a day scenario where they are off. while having a moving light source for the sun/moon

[mighty patrol]

May I get some constructive criticism on this build? Is there anything I should change ideally id like to not worry about most things while developing. https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/n9RYXy

[mighty patrol]

So Platinum then? Got any recommendations?

[lucid dawn]

128GB? You gonna run a server or something? ._.

[mighty patrol]

More or less future proofing lol

I only have 32gb atm and feel like I could easily use double. Figured having extra couldnt hurt.

[lucid dawn]

Even for future proofing in game development I feel you really don't need to go above 64GB

[mighty patrol]

Could just get away with the 2 sticks basically then and if at all ever required can get 2 more

[lucid dawn]

Sounds wiser I think

[mighty patrol]

Dont like amd or when they upgrade to the new chips am5

Ah

Since next gens coming eh

[wind egret]

Think they'll even bother making AM4 athlons?

[mighty patrol]

I am currently using a 3700x I suppose I could wait for the next cpu lineup

My main issue atm is vram

Ye

Im just not well versed on whats good in terms of a game dev pc, I understand different games call for different specs but if I want something relatively decent seems I need more than 8gb of vram.

Granted my other pc has 4 😂

[mighty cosmos]

I'm definitely getting 128GB next time I upgrade, I very often end up using around 50GB (have 64) and more when compiling

[mighty patrol]

For engine or in general?

I build from source myself so was considering for that purpose.

[mighty cosmos]

When working with the engine, Rider + UE + heavy scenes + anything else in the background usually sits at around 40GB

When compiling stuff for UE it almost always ends up using around 55GB

[fallen oasis]

I have that atm. Is nice.

[median marsh]

that system will last a few years, i don't see anything wrong with investing in high end am4

and rather get the 128gb straight ahead, than getting trouble finding matching sticks later

[mighty cosmos]

Problem is am4 is ddr4, any new platform is gonna be using ddr5

[median marsh]

yea, but a 5950x with 128GB should last a long time

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah but at the moment I don't think for me it's worth to get rid of the 16x4 kit and buying 128GB

So I'll wait until I upgrade again to get 128GB

[median marsh]

yea wouldn't do that either unless you are really forced to it

[frail pagoda]

And uh, i want to ask Is it better to make a different partition with 2 TB SSD? like 256 GB for OS and the rest will be for applications

or just make them at one partition

[restive sleet]

Different partition is always better

But sometimes it depends on the hardware. Some SSDs tend to work better when they are not partitioned

[narrow lake]

Hey guys I am confused should I buy this 2TB m.2 NVME SSD or this 2 TB SATA SSD.

1. Crucial P2 2TB 3D NAND NVMe. https://www.crucial.com/ssd/p2/ct2000p2ssd8
2. Crucial MX500 2TB SATA. https://www.crucial.com/ssd/mx500/ct2000mx500ssd1
   They are both at the same price in my country. Also, I am under budget constraints.
   This Crucial nvme SSD has very questionable features so I thought of going to a more safe SATA SSD.

[median marsh]

no, they are not

partitions had some benefits with harddisks (e.g. data which belongs together wasn't spread across the disk, which allows for shorter access times)

[errant peak]

I used to come up with all these fancy partitions for my builds

Anymore, I say skip them entirely

Unless you are dual booting or something

[frank glade]

same, I just keep one and dump everything there, including onedrive for auto backup

[median marsh]

the giant blob

[lucid dawn]

I was bored this morning and decided to try a build with PCPartPicker
I picked all the things I'd need, taking into account I'd obviously do some Unreal Engine on that, more 4 but possibly 5
What do you think of it? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GMfbpH
The parts I'm the least sure about are the CPU, the case and the fan. I'd also say the power supply but reading further this channel I saw a platinium should do, so I'm confident enough

[lilac shore]

Personally not a massive fan of Asus Tuf Gamings mobo lineup

[lucid dawn]

Any particular reason?

[lilac shore]

I used to build computers for micro center a few years ago and Id see them come in more often for component failure of one kind or another

[median marsh]

statistically, or have they also been sold more?

i had good experience with asus all the time, but only had one TUF board so far

[lilac shore]

I am not shaming asus themselves, I have a ROG board myself. I am looking for something verifiable for my claim. Its just my personal preference really. Its the 'entry level' good enough option and with the other components Id say shell out an extra 30-50 bucks and get a higher tier mobo. Tier motherboards lead to better vrams, etc. that and motherboards typically have the higher rate of failure, cpus, gpus, etc are very rock solid.

[median marsh]

yea, i guess companies which build pc's have a better impression as most others do, i'm not saying that your claim is false

i just wonder if there could be reasons for it

[lucid dawn]

Okay, thanks
Do you have any particular recommendation for the motherboard?

[lilac shore]

Usually it has to do with the quality of components used in the product, ie. binning, etc. Thats all motherboard tiers are typically.

[median marsh]

yea, but i thought they would use the highest grade of components for the TUF series

but apparently the TUF is even cheaper than the rog strix

[lilac shore]

Yeah its the opposite actually 🙂 marketing text asides lol

@lucid dawnyour name is awful to ping manually lol. Now personally Id go for a nice 570 strix board especially since you are building a computer on the tail end of a generation/compatibility youll want something that will last.

If you dont need the latest nvme support then go with a 550

[median marsh]

i would always go x570...

[lilac shore]

[median marsh]

you just can squeeze more data through the pci ex => chipset connection

specially if you add a 2nd, and maybe a 3rd pci ex nvme

[lilac shore]

The X570 Aorus Master is an expensive but very nice option 🙂

Just to throw more options at you lol

[lucid dawn]

Yeah sorry, will consider getting a more pingable nick :p
Thanks, I'll go with that then, if that's a lasting one

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XV6qqs/gigabyte-x570-aorus-elite-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-aorus-elite-wifi
That one?

Oops, nevermind, Master you said

[median marsh]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XRH7YJ/asus-rog-strix-x570-e-gaming-wifi-ii-atx-am4-motherboard-rog-strix-x570-e-gaming-wifi-ii

this one is also good

but well, it's a whole other price class

but you can probably save like $100 bucks on case and psu

[lucid dawn]

Might still consider it, I didn't expect that X570 to be that expensive lel, though still in the budget I was thinking for a killer computer

[lucid dawn]

The ones I picked were too much you mean?

[median marsh]

yea, specially the PSU

go for semi modular instead of fully modular, and you should save a bunch

[lucid dawn]

Aside of the price, what's the difference?

[median marsh]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KhkgXL/seasonic-focus-750-w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-focus-gm-750

the ATX cable to the mainboard isn't detachable

but you gonna connect it anyways, so i don't see this as a huge loss 😄

[lucid dawn]

Yeah me neither
I'll take that, thanks

[median marsh]

also you don't pay for a brand sticker with seasonic

while seasonic produces actually PSUs for a lot of brands which slap their own sticker on them and sell them under their own brand for more 😄

apparently corsair does that, too...

[lucid dawn]

Nice, always hated to pay more for a logo x)

[median marsh]

but i don't have any better option for the case, was about to suggest a bequiet but they are apparently around the same price in the US

[lucid dawn]

Would still go for that as long as it benefits with less noise, since it's their business

[median marsh]

i don't know if that pays off

[lucid dawn]

I'll check that further in depth, if it doesn't I'll just stick to what I already picked
Appreciated the advises ^^

[lilac shore]

I dont like corsair psus lol but season is

[devout pendant]

I've heard the golden rule of 2GB of system memory per thread…

But I recall one of the devs here saying that even with 64GB, he's wished he had more alongside the 32 threads of his 5950X

Can anyone confirm that 128GB is not completely unnecessary??

[mighty cosmos]

With a 5950x it is not necessary
It usually gets to around 55GB when compiling the engine but I wish I had 128GB, 64GB feels a bit "tight" in some cases

[median marsh]

yea, if you buy new you can start of fine with 64gb, but i really really recommend to leave room for upgrade to 128gb, so 2x32GB sticks should be preferred over 4x16

[devout pendant]

Hmmm, alright. Thanks!

[median marsh]

specially light builds munch through memory for me, not sure if thats platform specific or a general thing

[lilac shore]

Thats definitely been a general thing for a LONG time now. You are compiling a LOT of textures for EVERY light. All that needs to be stored in memory

Now personally if I were to upgrade right now without changing my motherboard, (ie current gen ryzen) Id get a 5950x and 128gb 4x32 ddr4 aint that bad. If you wait a few months however ddr5 will be cheaper and a whole new lineup/socket type will be announced/ready for new builds 🙂

However I dont know if ddr5 will benefit light maps rendering all that much due to the way chipsets currently handle ddr5

[median marsh]

i feel like the limiting factor is still cpu speed, as all my cores are at 100% when baking light, not sure if GPU LM is rather limited by memory speed

so only way to counter that is more cores 😄

[lilac shore]

MOAR CORES

Which is why I am upgrading to a 5950x before increasing my ram size beyond 32 lol

[median marsh]

from which cpu?

[lilac shore]

3600x 😛 its served me well these years

[median marsh]

yea from the specs it isn't tooo bad

unless you really need more cores

[lilac shore]

Really its just engine compile times Id want to increase

[median marsh]

but you are aware of the 2GB/thread rule (of thumb)?

[lilac shore]

Yes

On a fresh engine install it typically takes me 40-45 minutes to compile

[median marsh]

yea but for 5.x you can add a few minutes

[fallen oasis]

Yeah.

My 3975X does the complete engine (6k+ actions) in about 15m (1800s) and just my project (3500 actions) in about 12-13m

[median marsh]

yea if i would take a guess, it also takes me >30min on the 5950x

[mighty cosmos]

On my 5950x full engine build takes around 35 minutes roughly

[median marsh]

was way faster on 4.26 tho

would say, max 20 mins

[lilac shore]

At least this proves the chart to be fairly accurate 🙂

[mighty cosmos]

I don't think it was even 20min to compile 4.x if I remember correctly, I remember it being around 13-15 or something like that

[lilac shore]

I have not compiled ue5 from source yet would be curious to see the differences

But not REALLY enough to download multiple engine versions 😛

[median marsh]

oh, your 40-45mins was UE4? (i somehow assumed that it was 5.x)

[lilac shore]

Probably v23/24? Its been awhile

[mighty cosmos]

5950x is a monster tho
Really looking forward to seeing how much faster new cpus are going to be in real world tests

[fallen oasis]

Oh? What's on the horizon?

[lilac shore]

Lots!

New AMD 7000 series, so all your usual skus, so normal cpu versions, x versions and 3d versions.

[median marsh]

guess they gonna keep their feet still, AMD is fine if they just release something that can compete with intel

no reason to go all in for them 😄

and they might as well see how well the new 5nm(?) process works out in the wild

[lilac shore]

Very true! My first cpu a cutting edge i7 3750k

[fallen oasis]

What's the core count on the 7000 series?

[mighty cosmos]

Latest information is 16 cores pretty sure

[fallen oasis]

Meh 😛

[lilac shore]

https://cpuninja.com/amd-ryzen-7000-series/

[median marsh]

and apparently they have way higher TDPs than the 5xxx series

[fallen oasis]

5.5ghz core clock sounds nice

[mighty cosmos]

Quite curious what this is suppose to be

[fallen oasis]

I'm stuck at 4 😦

[lilac shore]

My current desktop already trips my stupid breakers regularly 🙀

[fallen oasis]

AI Acceleration is probably technical jargon for automatic underclocking when it's not being used.

[median marsh]

not gonna be faster Behavior Trees for sure 😉

[fallen oasis]

You must have terrible breakers.

[lilac shore]

Yes lol Ive been trying to get maintence to fix them

[mighty cosmos]

It's listed under "expanded instructions" so I have no clue 🤷‍♂️

[median marsh]

AI-acceleration based on AVX512 instructions

[mighty cosmos]

hmm

[fallen oasis]

Eh. Only 170W for the top of the range one. Mine's 240W 😦

[median marsh]

doesn't yours have 32 cores?

[fallen oasis]

Yeah.

Just saying, it's not that much.

I only have a 750W cpu and it's all fine.

[median marsh]

yea but 5950X is ~140W

[fallen oasis]

So it's not really that much more than that then.

[median marsh]

while mostly having slightly lower turbo speed (and no pciex5/ddr5)

[fallen oasis]

I wish I could use ddr5

The TR mobos are trash lol.

[median marsh]

which cooler do you have on that TR?

[fallen oasis]

Good question. It has highly annoying rbg lights.

[median marsh]

air?

[fallen oasis]

Thermaltake Floe Riing RGB TT Premium Edition Water Cooling Unit - 360mm

AIO water cooler.

[median marsh]

yea, that's some fairy ride setup 😄

[fallen oasis]

I'd turn them off, but the mobo doesn't have an rgb header.

Maybe I should actually install teh drivers.

[median marsh]

would be neat if they could change color based on CPU temp

[fallen oasis]

You probably can.

[median marsh]

like when your pc is on fire, they'll also glow red

[lilac shore]

Check out https://openrgb.org/ !

[fallen oasis]

It has temperature lights!

😄

[median marsh]

nice

now turn everything off 😄

does this need a daemon in the background, which constantly uses one cpu core because their software is shitty?

[fallen oasis]

They're all set to temp. Lovely glowing blue right now.

There is a daemon.

Damn. I can connect it to Alexa.

[median marsh]

alexa run prime95 i want red lights

[fallen oasis]

100% load, sub 70 degrees.

[frail pagoda]

is there an alder lake benchmarks one?

[frail pagoda]

ah

i could've buy ryzen 9 5900x with cheaper mobo, but okay

[opaque pond]

i was thinking about the ssd thing and it looks like i might be able to get a 500gb one for unreal and i am a bit conflicted if its worth the money for the loading times

[opaque pond]

well i cant afford the bigger ones

[opaque pond]

ah so i should go for it

[frail pagoda]

my friends says i9 gen 12 is better than ryzen 9 bcuz it has better ipc

[short hare]

hey any idea if surface pro 8 is good for unreal?

it's for school as well

[astral musk]

it would not be good. only 4 cores and integrated graphics is a bad combo for Unreal.

[buoyant whale]

Anyone else use a 3060 for UE4?

If so how does it run?

And which CPU did you pair with it? I'm using a 3060 and 12400. Also 32GB RAM and gen 4 SSD

[opaque pond]

I use a 6600 which is kinda simmilar and it runs fine , 3700x

[buoyant whale]

Oh ok, yeah i5 12400 is kinda like 3700x but with slightly more powerful cores and 2 less cores

[opaque pond]

Ok so i got the 500gb i hope its enough

How much is a 12600 non k? @buoyant whale

Or a 5800x setup

[cloud fiber]

im looking at getting a third monitor to use as my new main. my current 2 are the same but they are 1080p@60hz. im looking at getting a 1440p@144hz or something around that refresh rate. im not really fussed on HDR but id like good color accuracy. not sure if thats a thing without getting one of those expensive af calibrators. a friend sent me this as a recommendation https://www.asus.com/au/Displays-Desktops/Monitors/TUF-Gaming/TUF-Gaming-VG27WQ/ it supports DisplayHDR 400 not sure how good that is?

[cloud fiber]

the MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD seems to be slightly more recommended but is also more expensive and doesnt have any HDR which is fine because i dont need it. also has wider color gamut but is unavailable everywhere lmao

[split pier]

I am getting RTX 3080 for $850
And RX 6800 XT for $800
Which one to buy ?

[frank glade]

get the 6800 xt for its 16gb of vram

[split pier]

You sure ? Because many people were saying 3080

[cedar wedge]

Are they custom versions or stock?

[strong sparrow]

Does pathtracer work with amd gpus?

[past rapids]

any reason why my brand new 6800m laptop has random fps drops from 80 to 10 on Lyra demo. Happens in other games too (160-20 in Doom Eternal).

[lilac shore]

For game dev you want more vram

[devout pendant]

someone with amd 6700xt can help? or another amd gpu pls

[buoyant whale]

230 - 240 USD

[lilac shore]

Whats your question I am confused

[devout pendant]

the textures are looking very very bad

this is 4k

i have drivers updated, windows updated, all the stuff is running "good" but all objects textures are looking weird

i now nanite is not working well but why all the objects are looking like that?? any idea?

[median marsh]

either it's using the fallback mesh because you haven't enabled DX12

or you ran out of video memory and it's using low res textures (but that should show you warning in the viewport that the texture pool budget was reached)

[past rapids]

isnt that 5.1 onwards for fallback?

[median marsh]

no

[devout pendant]

i have dx12

thats why im tripping xddd

I've been looking for info for 5 days about why the textures look like this but I can't find anything

its looking so weird

[median marsh]

does it also happen if you restart the editor?

[high glade]

does someone mind helping me out with PSU's? I'm looking to upgrade my GPU for UE4 and Blender work and the 6700XT seems to be a good choice but im unsure if I should upgrade my PSU or not, i'll be pairing it with a Ryzen 7 3800x and 32 GB of ram. ( I currently have a corsair VS550 , 550 watt)

[median marsh]

most likely will work with the current PSU

[mighty cosmos]

Wouldn't recommend anything below 750W

[median marsh]

whats your current GPU?

[split pier]

Thank you so much for your guidance , I really wanted more inform and guidance on this

[median marsh]

kEeP yOuR pSu At 50% LoAd

when?!

when you run prime and cinebench at the same time while doing an RPM test on your harddisks and going full send on your mainboards wifi, fans and soundcard?

you guys seem to do that all the time

just estimate the peak load with pc part picker, add 50W and you are save

unless you order your PSU on wish

[high glade]

I currently have a 1060 6gb

tysm , will do

oki doki, thankyou

i've heard people saying 450 watts is enough and other people saying 750 watt minimum, im so lost lmao

[median marsh]

not poof, rather unstable system

you don't need those curves really with the gold/platinum/potato certifications

[lilac shore]

Its exactly this the efficiently of the power supply is a HUGE factor when calculating maximum draw

[median marsh]

exactly

[lilac shore]

Personally, if you dont know what to get and you arent designing something with the top end cards go for any gold 650-750 watt semi modular psu from a reputable brand and youll be fine

[median marsh]

or... you look here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus

instead of messing with 1-2% they differ in their certification category

end of day, the power which a PSU is marketed with is usually what you can draw from it

not what it will draw from your socket * efficiency

that's what you look at when it comes to your electricity bill

[high glade]

I got a wattage estimate of 468, so it looks like I should get a better PSU

[lilac shore]

10 MILLION MDUUDLES PER KWAT HOUR

[median marsh]

and maybe if you care about how much heat the PSU produces

550W should work fine

again, the 468W are PEAK when EVERYTHING is 100% utilized, which is an unrealistic scenario

[lilac shore]

Lets try approaching this from a different perspective. What is your budget? I say never cheap out on a shit psu because if it goes so does your whole computer.

Because you also have to consider the quality of most 550 watt psu

[median marsh]

ok, i agree with that

if it's an prebuild 550W psu cheapskate, then maybe think about a new one

[fallen oasis]

Until the next time they change the plugs.

[median marsh]

it's not only about the plugs^

[fallen oasis]

Even so.

[median marsh]

they also removed some supply rails, so laura may have fun with their cable...

if suddenly everything draws from one supply line

but thats why you add 50% to your PSU usage, right? 😄

[high glade]

I'm willing to spend up to £800 for both a GPU and PSU but i'm trying to keep the price as low as possible because ✨ university student ✨

[median marsh]

revolutionary if your new CPU takes 200W more 😄

[mighty cosmos]

So you recommendation to use a 550w psu on a 500w system makes even more sense, a great way to create a fire hazard and burn someone's house down

PSU is the last thing you should be cheaping out on

[median marsh]

yea, we all know about all those fires

no i'm not

because i told you before that the peak usage scenario wont happen EVER

[lilac shore]

How much are you spending on your gpu my friend?

[median marsh]

while your standing point is, i paid for all the components, i will run them at 100% all the time

so lets rather add a safety of 150-200W or was it 50%?

[high glade]

im not sure yet , the 6700XT is only £470

I could get an army of hamsters on wheels to power my pc

[median marsh]

so you took a watt meter and checked?

[lilac shore]

This is the ultimate solution

[median marsh]

and you calculated the efficiency out?

i guess not

did you measure DC or AC?

[mighty cosmos]

I still don't understand why suggesting someone to cheap out on a psu is even an option here

[median marsh]

it's not cheaping out if the decision is rational

[mighty cosmos]

50w headroom is not rational

Neither it's safe

[median marsh]

if you don't buy the cheapest PSU it is safe

also it's still 50W in the weird scenario where everything runs 100%

[lilac shore]

Your 6700XT is £470 which leaves £330 for a psu for budget constraints. This is a very high budget for a psu to be honest so this entire discussion is almost mute. Lets plan for the future and get you a 750 watt gold 80 plus semi modular seasonic power supply which is roughly 130 euro/pound I think? This will leave you with 800 - 470 - 140 = 190 to either A save it for college expenses or B upgrade other hardware

@high glade

Consulted the gods you mean

(470 + 140)*0.20 = 122 VAT tax so actually there are no room for extra upgrades 🙂 otherwise I wouldve suggested a good old 1tb nvme for ~$99. You always need more fast storage.

[high glade]

option A sounds good to me!

I couldnt thank everyone enough for the help, honestly

[lilac shore]

No problem I am glad we came to a resolution 🙂

Are these upgrades you are making to an existing desktop? Is it a prebuilt?

Occasionally prebuilts have proprietary motherboards that have wonky connections that will not work with a regular psu and youre shit out of luck for upgrades.

I shouldve asked that to begin with 😛

[median marsh]

+1 for seasonic semi modular

[high glade]

no, I built this desktop :) i've just been upgrading it slowly over the past year or so

[lilac shore]

Fantastic! You are all set to order with confidence!

Best of luck

[high glade]

thankyou!

[fallen oasis]

Out of interest, what would happen if your psu was underpowered? System instability?

[high glade]

you get free heating

[fallen oasis]

Good I haven't reached that point yet then. I've been worried my psu isn't up to scratch.

[median marsh]

yes, a good psu would just limit the current and your system would get unstable

a bad one might go up in smokes

[fallen oasis]

I've never had instability whatsoever, so I'm gonna assume I'm good.

Or smoke. Just to be clear.

[median marsh]

i had later once

[fallen oasis]

I've heard a loud pop and smelt burning plastic.

Never actaully seen smoke, though.

[median marsh]

but that was like 15 years ago

[fallen oasis]

Heh yeah.

[median marsh]

pentium d, one of the first desktop cpus which draw a ton of power....

233 watts at a full load, so almost like your TR 😄

just that it was dualcore

[fallen oasis]

Ouch.

[median marsh]

yes, that was the end of days where you could get away with 350W PSUs😄

[fallen oasis]

Hehe.

I don't even know what Wattage my PSUs were back in teh day.

or I've forgotten.

[median marsh]

i remember some with 250W 😄

probably even less

pentium 4 for example apparently was ~60W usage

and gpus back then didnt have extra power connectors

but buying a PSU back then was wizardry on its own, thats probably where most rumors evolved

like they had several rails for 12V, one could maybe deliver 30% while the other could do 50% of the overall adverted watt value

while the other 20% went for 5V, etc.

could also have contributed to the weird 50% "rule"

[median marsh]

btw. guess how many W lenovo puts in a i9 11900k workstation with RTX A5000....

[fallen oasis]

450?

[median marsh]

nah, a bit more

[fallen oasis]

It's either stupidly low or higher.

500!

[median marsh]

750W

[fallen oasis]

Same as me with my TR!

[median marsh]

yea, for TR they put 1000W, BUT with the option to have 2x RTX A5000

as each card has a max rating of 230W

[fallen oasis]

I've no idea how mine hasn't fallen over yet tbh.

I have 3080 ti and a 6800 xt oc and they do work in tandem with dx12 a bit.

[median marsh]

yea, you are pushing it 😄

have you ever used a power tester to see how much it draws from the socket?

[fallen oasis]

Having vboth was not the original design...

Nope.

[median marsh]

i guess the 1kW for the 2x A5000 workstation is still slightly more than you need

but as OEM it probably doesn't make sense to order all kind of PSUs, so they just go for 250W increments

[fallen oasis]

Yeah. Probably.

[median marsh]

he has some weird statements tho 😄

when he talks about melting cables, and short circuit protection...

you know what saves you from burnt cables? a fricking fuse...

but thats probably a problem with all power supplies (if it really is, and they don't have over current protection with a shunt measuring)

[median marsh]

but overall i cant disagree with him 😄

he just said what i did xD

the stuff about the cheap ones was interesting about how they "improve" their technical data sheets with the operating temperature range, etc.

just one other thing, he said you go rather bigger because you don't know what will be the next big thing and how much power it draws... generally correct

but ATX12VO is around the corner and then most likely the next big system upgrade for most will benefit from a new PSU anyways

[median marsh]

https://youtu.be/vkqLx7OIIcw?t=294 also i found this statement

where jaytwocents claims he uses big PSUs to run them efficient

but thats a false conclusion made there, if you buy a 750W PSU for a system with 700W peak, you'll mostly draw waaay less power, and you are more likely in the most efficient range of that PSU compared to a 1000W PSU

[median marsh]

90+ platitum 😄

but they also made something for you

they tested rendering on a 3080 so peak load.... 400W 😛 assuming 90% efficiency thats 360W

but lets just hook up 5(?) GPUs to a board which probably only has 20 pci ex lanes to make a technical review 😄

ok, they later put a threadripper on the bench...

[lilac shore]

💥 goes that psu lol

[frail pagoda]

can PSU 750W gold cert handle RTX 3080 Ti and Ryzen 9 5950 with AIO?

or even rtx 3090?

[median marsh]

yes, as long as you dont have/buy a cheap noname PSU

even nvidia recommends 750W for that cards (3080TI and 3090)

nvidias recommendation is based on an 10980XE/10900k, which have higher TDP than the ryzen

[frail pagoda]

i bought 750W PSU GOLD from be quiet

the pure power one

guess i can upgrade without worrying to change my psu

in 2 years

[median marsh]

yes that one should do, if they give at least 5years warranty

as bequiet has some where they give less warranty, which is... sus

also from all the power supplies that have blown up for me, it was 2 times bequiet 😄

but that was >10 years ago

[median marsh]

don't you think that nvidia also added some kind of safety to their calculation?

xD

this again...

yea guess you know better than nvidia

i'm not gonna argue with you about psus again

[median marsh]

the 5950x can do 300W?

whatever the whole convo is pointless...

the one who asked said 5950x

which is the context to my answer

but even with a 10900k, i would stay at 750W xD

you can go full 1kW PSU if you want to, but it's pointless from a technical point of view

under normal circumstances...

and not overclocking your hardware to the point that it will most likely not survive for long 😄

[final mortar]

the great psu debate continues??

[median marsh]

yes

[final mortar]

I typed more underscores than I wanted, and now I know you can do underscores

[median marsh]

welcome to #PSUwars

[final mortar]

and that was the beginning of the end

[median marsh]

are you Team 750W?

[kind talon]

absolutely not

850W is literal minimum

I say this from experience

If you're doing founders edition you might ™️ be right

But pray it doesn't boost

[median marsh]

so you had an 5950x (or similar) with a overclocked rtx and ran into trouble with 750W?

[kind talon]

I had trouble with 850w with 3090 and 5950x

factory OC 3090

[median marsh]

ok, those seem to be a whole different story as they have a bios which lifts the power limit of the card

but usually the vendor should give an decent recommendation for the PSU

[kind talon]

Damn nearly every card you get at that end of the market is factory OC'd

even so the 5900x has a higher power requirement the the 5950x

and i still wouldn't recommend a 750w

[median marsh]

they are both rated with 105W TDP

i guess the 5900x is just some 5950x which have some defect cores which are disabled

[kind talon]

But has higher base clocks hence the higher real world usages

[frail pagoda]

didnt mean to start a psu argument though 🏃‍♂️

[lilac shore]

Looks like its going to be an extended fight today Laura 😛

[lilac shore]

It is in my opinion that with a that combo youd want at the bare minimum a 850 watt psu to get it runnable and even then youll probably get instability issues. This stems from the fact that both of those gpu/cpu when combined can theoretically draw 750 watts easily (~450 watt oc gpu/300 watt cpu) all of your other watts are then eaten up by other components. Not to mention the wattage you need to even think about cooling these bad boys! If you have any standard HHDs for mass storage those use a TON of power and are NOT efficient at all 😂 So with that combo I would recommend a 1000-1200 watt gold/plat psu. The reason being that if you are buying a top of the line gpu/cpu and NOT spending good money on a quality high wattage psu then youre wasting your time building the system and itll probably explode down the line.

[queen spruce]

Acer Nitro 5 R5-5600H/16GB/1TB/Win11X RTX3060 144Hz it will be good for unreal engine?

[warped bison]

300 watt cpu? huh 5950x doesnt even go above 150

850 watt psu for that setup would be perfectly fine

even better if you undervolt your gpu (which everyone should be doing)

[queen spruce]

What means ok?

It will run on 60fps

Im talking about mid size project

U know +/-

[frank glade]

that's what I said a few years ago when getting a "plenty" 650W PSU...but look at us now, and at 4000 series nvidia cards 👀

[lilac shore]

What psu are you running

[mighty cosmos]

I'm so glad I went with a 1000W
Everyone was saying that it was unnecessary and look who won't need a new psu when new GPUs come out

[fallen oasis]

How much power are the 4000 series taking?

[frank glade]

@fallen oasis I read something like 800+ watts

[fallen oasis]

That has to be a lie.

[median marsh]

i never had to buy a stronger PSU for my setups, and im running an 5950x on a 650W power supply... (only with an 3060 + 1660 tho)

but i'm pretty confident that even a 3080 could replace those two

[median marsh]

there are plenty of people who run this combination

jack was your 750W PSU single or dual rail?

[kind talon]

4 rail

and it was a 850W

Again was fine under normal conditions but under load was not enough for a 5950x and 3090

I mean you can keep doubling down and say it'll be fine, but as someone who has been through it

it wont

If people spend that much on a system and you cheap out on a PSU anyway they're in for a world of hurt

[median marsh]

well, maybe you just overloaded one rail

while another one was pretty bored

[kind talon]

ah yes lets speculate on what the rails were doing rather then just recommending a higher wattage psu

[median marsh]

well yea, multi rail isn't idiot proof when having high power drawing components

[real whale]

Aw shit I need a new computer. Mostly I need a new processor, the 7-year-old one I have isn't cutting it for UE5 lol

What are people's experience with https://www.logicalincrements.com/ ? Do those stack up for UE development?

[real whale]

Oh shit PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 are both about to be things? So I should prooooobably make sure I'm getting a motherboard that supports them right?

[median marsh]

depends on when you plan your next upgrade

i guess most next gen gpus will do fine on pci ex4

[final mortar]

technically both of those things are already things

but yes, from what i gather, consensus is that for both ddr5 and pci-x 5.0: the benefits will be fairly minimal even in the next gen

i recently rebuilt and opted for ddr4 based on cost for this, its not too crazy to do so still today. DDR5 was about 2x more expensive

[median marsh]

yea, you still pay early adopter prices

while the chips should be decently cheap as they are used in mobile/gpus and such for years(!?)

[real whale]

The last time I updated my motherboard was like 2014 so that's about the timeline, same for processors. RAM is like half that. Video cards go in and out every couple years.

[median marsh]

i think amd still offers good reasons to stick to "old" gen when buying new hardware

as long as you go for something like 5900x/5950x for gamedev

and buy memory so that an future upgrade is possible, e.g. 2x32GB so that you can later add another 64GB

but thats an assumption based on benchmarks like this: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-093ffcc7b28d38149efc20b115dc4f6a

so currently there isn't even a difference between 3.0 and 4.0 for most cards (not sure about the 3090(TI) and other use cases)

https://www.techspot.com/review/2104-pcie4-vs-pcie3-gpu-performance/

[real whale]

Fair although with game dev we usually want "outsized" RAM and CPU threading relative to the video card (compared with regular gaming machines) right?

[median marsh]

yea, same for video memory

end of day, a bit slower GPU is better than one with not enough video memory (as this can totally block you from working)

[real whale]

I've already got a RTX 2070, it's the only part of my PC that isn't a fuckin ancient artifact tbh. And I'll prooobably get the 4070 when it comes out

[median marsh]

yea that isn't too bad

guess you could even stick with it for a while unless it already bottlenecks you

[real whale]

It doesn't bottleneck me for work too much, but I do like my nice graphics. Also honestly I think something's wrong with the fans, it gets WAY too hot and loud sometimes. I worry it might just die someday

I used to worry it would die during the video card shortage actually. I'd hear it start screaming, turn on my noise-cancling headphones, and go check the current video card prices. And wince.

[median marsh]

it's interesting that it makes such a difference on the intel platform, while the 5950x can still pretty good hold up with the i9/ddr5

so 12th gen intel should always be coupled with DDR5

[frail pagoda]

What'll happen with my rtx 3070 :(

[frail pagoda]

What's with my i7 gen 12 ddr4?

🤨

[frail pagoda]

How's about, Ryzen 9 5950x with rtx 3060?

[lilac shore]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/vc4g5d/reasons_not_to_cheap_out_on_your_psu_short

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-spongebob-hmm-thinking-let-me-think-gif-21499915

[median marsh]

he should add "dont buy multi rail PSU if you don't want to deal with balancing the load correct"

[median marsh]

yea, but there are still multi rail PSUs even for lower wattage

e.g. jack had 4 rail 850W

and my guess is that it was rather an issue with the balancing of the rails than the total available power

but yea, unpopular opinion...

[kind talon]

But that's not correct?
There's a reason high wattage PSU's use multi-rails and that is for better safety you have way less amperage across each rail which is safer for again higher end

Single rail on high amperage (think automatic OC) will have a way more likely chance to have OCP kick in

which is why they also suggest not plugging in both 8 pins from the same cable to your GPU and instead recommend two seperate with an 8 pin from each

[median marsh]

yes thats true

but they also put a sticker on the side of the PSU which tells you how much power you can draw from each rail

in my experience they don't all provide the same amount of power, so if you where unlucky and picked one which has a power limit of 150W and hooked that to your GPU, it could cause issues

[kind talon]

Sure but this isn't 2008? They're not going to be picking the lower limit rails for the GPU connections

[median marsh]

idk which psu you had

[kind talon]

https://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/1774

Dive in, feel free to check it out

[median marsh]

so 2 of that pci ex power connectors share one rail, which is limited to 26A

if you had both on 12V4 you where limited to 360W

if you had one on 12V3 and one on 12V4 you where limited to 624W

for the gpu

When using two PCIe cables, connect PCIe 1 and PCIe 3

[kind talon]

Yup, and I did that

[median marsh]

then idk what went wrong for you

shitty PSU then 😄

[kind talon]

Or.. and bare with me here it wasn't enough under load

[median marsh]

when did you had crashs? on high gpu or high cpu load?

[kind talon]

High GPU

[median marsh]

so you are telling me your GPU needs more than 624W

i highly doubt that

[kind talon]

I'm just telling you what happened

[median marsh]

Or.. and bare with me here it wasn't enough under load

you had 624W

so you told me the GPU needs more

i believe you that it happened

but something is off

maybe faulty PSU then

[kind talon]

I didn't measure it's usage, and I fully agree that there's no way it was drawing that much

[median marsh]

or loose/bad connector

[kind talon]

But switching to 1000w, same brand, no issues

[median marsh]

i'm just saying that the PSU should have been enough for your setup, so my guess is rather that the PSU was faulty or something

i mean, we both agree that >600W should be plenty

and it crashed on high GPU load

and as it was multirail it shouldn't have drawn away power from the mainboard, which is where multi rail is superior to single rail

[kind talon]

Sure but i disagree with the recommendation of 750w for a high end GPU, in my experience and others I know who have had 3090's it hasn't cut it

All in same experience, normally uncapped frame rate and in burst scenes (where the scene goes from graphically intensive to all of a sudden easy like pause screens)

It could be how nvidia/the partner is delivering the power
Mine for example is 2x8 pin but i know some others require 3

[median marsh]

yes indeed, i wasn't aware that the vendor specific boards differ that much from the FE, which my recommendation was based on

but apparently they can and do lift the power limits

so yea, for a "3rd party" 3080/3090 it's probably better to pick a larger PSU

but plenty people also use 650W psu with 3080 without problems, so it seems to be russian roulette when picking the psu without adding a lot of safe space....

[final mortar]

this debate never ends

[steep cairn]

Afternoon, i was wondering about buying a 6950 xt for UE5 development, some years ago you were also advised to avoid amd for UE4, i was wondering if this was still true

[past rapids]

is a virtual machine viable for gamedev? I have a temporary wfh and they are asking me if it would work.

I get occasional power cuts which makes me skeptical.

[steep cairn]

i was at a GDC round table where this was discussed, some people claimed they had a solution, others said it was .... 🙂 i have no opinion but i would imagine if you are remoting into a powerful machine over a fast network connection, it might just be viable

i am not sure how powercuts impact a virtual machine, solution, buy a ups

[fallen oasis]

Depends what you're doing...

You can "gamedev" in notepad.

[steep cairn]

i assume he means developing in UE

[past rapids]

🥁

[glad gyro]

Is this the place to get advice on how to best utilize ones hardware investments?

Im running:
Radeon PRO W6800
PRO 3995WX cpu
512g 3200 ecc RDIMM
2x 1tb 530 FireCudas
and 4x 530s on a raid expansion.

I don't feel the system is being used to its full potential in Unreal, Blender, or even Houdini. At most I find Unreal Engine is using 2-3gs of gram

Anyone have any advice on how to make sure that the engine software knows to take full advantage of the resources available? I remember I had to tweak something so that my old 1080 ti got used more. no clue where i found that info though.
this isnt a troll either. .im genuinely frustrated with Unreal and this overpriced box of heat

[astral musk]

unreal engine by itself doesn't use a lot of RAM until the project contains a lot of assets. opening a blank project, UE takes about 2GB, while opening the city sample in UE5 jumps to 20GB (with default settings, clicking Play further increases to 32gb)

[fallen oasis]

Do you have 32gb of ram?

[astral musk]

I have 64

[steep cairn]

i have 64gb a 5950x a few m.2 980 1tb sticks and a 970gtx from 7 years ago

i really think i should get a new gfx card as ue5 runs like a dog

should i stick with nvidia or go fully team red? when i got the 970 i was advised not to go near amd

i feel like that isn't true anymore

it was more about UE support for radeon rather than performance

[astral musk]

biggest difference now is Ray Tracing being better on Nvidia. I hear supply has been improving, so it might be down to what you can find at a decent price

but hopefully someone with an AMD card can chime in with any issues if they exist

[mighty cosmos]

Don't have an AMD card but there isn't a reason to avoid them anymore

[fallen oasis]

How does that even work. 7 years ago I'm sure everyone was still using ISA 😄

[steep cairn]

that was because i could predict the future and got EISA and PC Bus compatible for when i knew there would be this graphics card shortage

[fallen oasis]

😄

[steep cairn]

see i learned from the best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPrUmViN_5c

[glad gyro]

512g of ram

Isn't there a way to increase and dedicate opengl type shit

I want unreal engine to use at least 256 ram and I want it to use all 32 gs from the video card but seems like its running on low settings for schnit and giggle

[fallen oasis]

I only have 128gb 3200 RDIMM 😦

And you have the 64 core TR! So jealous.

[glad gyro]

dont be

[glad gyro]

like its breaking my heart that i cant \get software to take advantage of it

[fallen oasis]

Yeah.

It's hard to code for parallel processinh in a lot of cases.

[glad gyro]

right

like Houdini its a monster but i know how to really customize and gut out my data struct in houdini

unreal i never had a "big comparision"

[fallen oasis]

The big boost for UE is compiling 😄

[glad gyro]

like my wifes computer is 5950x 16 cores and a 1080ti 12g with 64 3600 ram

so i expect a minimum of 4x speed boost right?

[fallen oasis]

Nah.

It's about parallelism, not doing one thing faster!

[glad gyro]

yeah vs and compile are nice those happen faster than i can even tell i clicked. But still veiew port and baking are killing me and seeing that 10% is being used on this damn gpu drives me up the wall

[fallen oasis]

Hehe.

[glad gyro]

took me a week to get blender to start fires with this rig

but the reality was "small renders won't see a big difference" and it made sense once somewhat slapped me with that.

[glad gyro]

LIke as much as I appreciate and am motivated by the support and confidence in my friends who bought me a 15000 dollar work station I can't help but feel complete and utterly crippling despair with not finding it doing better than my 3000 dollar gift to my wife.. Like.. It feels like I must be doing something wrong.

[fallen oasis]

The price/performance curve definitely flattens near the end.

[median marsh]

doesnt light baking use all cores for you? Oo

[glad gyro]

i havent tried a big scene yet. But its the one area I imagine it will get cpu use. Viewport GPU use was something I swear I modified in UE4 but cant find anything on it for UE5

[astral musk]

Compiling shaders and baking lighting are the only things that will max out that cpu, or compiling code in visual studio. For GPU there is now GPU light mass if you go that way instead of lumen. Other than that you just need a lot more stuff in your scene to make a difference.

[astral musk]

It's going to take a whole lot to get a scene to max out your VRAM. Even the ue5 city sample only takes 12ish gigs of my 3090.

[glad gyro]

true

[frank glade]

Try running UE + Substance Painter with a large 4k project + Zbrush + Maya + Photoshop 😆 my 12gb vram get full so fast

[restive sleet]

What is a good budget motherboard for I5-12600k ?

[restive sleet]

DDR 4

[median marsh]

i wouldn't buy 12th gen intel with ddr4

source... https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Unreal-Engine-12th-Gen-Intel-Core-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-2249/

Unfortunately, this combination does not make enough of an improvement to recommend it over the AMD Ryzen CPUs. so a 5800x (or better) would probably be the better choice

[frail pagoda]

should i switch up my rtx 3070 (8 gb vram) for rx 6750 xt (12 gb vram) ?

though the rtx 3070 price is higher than rx 6750 xt, i could sell a second one then buy rx 6750 xt at the same price

i mean i dont want to switch to any graphic card if the vram is not enough..

or buy rtx 2080 ti second 🤔

[median marsh]

you should know if your current card has enough video memory....

8gb can work fine, it all depends on your projects and workflow

[frail pagoda]

i'm doubt about it though, i'd prefer a card that'll last for about 3-4 years long as my project gonna be bigger as time goes on

i hope i can sell my rtx 3070 and buy a premium model of rtx 2080 ti second one

ugh, only if nvidia gave us 16 gb vram 🏃‍♂️

can i ask for your opinion? @median marsh

[median marsh]

i wouldn't buy a new card if you dont need one

neither would i change an nvidia card for an amd card if you work in unreal 😄

[frail pagoda]

why would you? i have watched some benchmarks though in rendering nvidia is much better than amd in terms of rendering (that is an advantage for cuda)

[restive sleet]

I'm on a real tight budget of under $1300 including the monitor

I5-12600k
RTX 3060-12GB(aorus)
32GB RAM 3200mHz(16×2)
Z690 MOTHERBOARD
1tb nvme SSD
1tb sata ssd
650W psu
ATX case

This was the parts I had planned to buy

The motherboard I am planning to downgrade to b660

[median marsh]

doesnt the 5800x cost pretty much the same?

[steep cairn]

does anyone here run a fully amd rig? i am close to buying a 6950 xt, but history has made me nervous of radeon

[restive sleet]

It costs a little more

But it's easier to get mobos for a cheaper price for 5800x

But won't the 5800x bottleneck with 3060?

[median marsh]

bottleneck the gpu? or vice versa?

for development it's pretty irrelevant as you either have cpu or gpu intense tasks

and for games, the 5800x will probably be bored a bit 😄

but so would the i5 probably

[fallen oasis]

I have a 6800 xt and it has issues with UE

Flickering and the like.

[restive sleet]

I see

Also is an air cooler better or an aio(cheaper one)?

[median marsh]

AIO is obviously better, but air is usually sufficient

unless you live in a hot region where your room temperature is also pretty high

[fallen oasis]

And depends if you're overclocking.

I have a 360mm AIO for my TR (not overclocked) and it can still get up to 80 degrees on occasion. Only with super stress testing, though.

[restive sleet]

I don't plan on overclocking

80 is much better than 100( my current laptop temps lol)

https://youtu.be/a3_3ypxxcSA

I guess I'll just buy the one I get at a better deal

One advantage of i5 is the two extra cores

[fallen oasis]

5800X only has 6 cores?

Oh wow, the i5 has 10 cores? Neat

[median marsh]

5800x has 8 cores

12600 has 6+4 or something

[fallen oasis]

Yeah.

[astral musk]

5800x is 8 core, 16 thread. 12600k is 10 core 16 thread

[fallen oasis]

Does it do full HT on 8 cores?

I'm not even sure what the difference would be with those different setups.

[median marsh]

no, only on the 6 cores

so 6x2 + 4

[fallen oasis]

I meant the 5800X

[median marsh]

yes, the 5800x does

[fallen oasis]

Looks like the i5 does better than the 5800x

But it's very close.

[median marsh]

depends on the task

[glad gyro]

if you go full rad you can use their pro renderer solution

[median marsh]

most things of pugetbench the 5800x is faster than i5 with ddr4

but well, those benchmarks are half a year old...

who knows how much intel/microsoft improved the usage of the efficiency cores

[glad gyro]

btw update on me bitching about my system and software expectactions.

Using Radeons "Radeon Pro Renderer" showed huge leaps in performance with Blender renders/sims and monumenal boost in View port performance/quality in Houdini. It isnt designed for UE5 sadly but in UE4 it allows my viewport to use every inch of the 3995wx and w6800.

Remember.. software matters..

[fallen oasis]

What is Radeon Pro Renderer?

Oh wow. It's not even updated past 4.24.

Fucking AMD.

Yeah no update in 2 years. What a joke!

[median marsh]

while nvidia is working on really neat things

e.g.: https://youtu.be/GpyDXAartJ8?t=6810

everyone talking about lumen while i just want 2000 moving lights with RTX DI 😄

[fallen oasis]

5 years from now, a 4090 will cost £20

[earnest dome]

Hey is i9 10th gen 3080 64gb ram and 1tb nvme perfect for ue5 latest features? Asking cuz i need other opinions on my potential configuration and going higher is not within my budget so yeah

I work on open worlds and often with higher quality assets so yeah

[astral musk]

if thats what you can afford, then yeah, it will work. Shader and code compile would be faster on a CPU with more cores

[earnest dome]

Ok thanks! I would have had a 12 core cpu course but it got sold before I could get it so unlucky but this is the next best thing I could find

[high badger]

Anyone know if Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630 has a 2022 driver? I searched online and found this: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/products/126790/graphics/intel-uhd-graphics-family/intel-uhd-graphics-630.html#support-product-specification

It is a DCH driver. The driver for Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630 driver on my laptop is 08/03/2019. Shouldn't it be a UHD driver?

My laptop has both Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630 and a RTX 2080, ASUS.

[fallen oasis]

Which processor does it have?

[high badger]

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8750H CPU @ 2.20GHz 2.21 GHz

[high badger]

Thanks

Intel rapid storage technology? Anyone knows what it does?

[fallen oasis]

It's their hard drive monitoring stuff.

[high badger]

monitoring hard drive? Does this give information to Intel or something? or has to do with drive storage?

[fallen oasis]

I honestly have no idea. It's just drivers for your hard drives.

Just google it and stop being paranoid

[high badger]

I did but wanted to get ppl who are familiar with it or use it opinions.

Not paranoid btw😏

[restive sleet]

I guess I'll go with the one where I get a better deal for my budget

Won't be a massive difference right?

[devout pendant]

Yessss YESSSSS

New parts are in, building my Unreal machine!!!

[jagged wolf]

im moving from unity to Unreal so now my parts are being taxed without being bottlenecked by single threaded shit 🙂

no more "prepare for 38 hour 'reimporting assets'"

[median marsh]

performance wise not, amd draws a bit less power

but i can only assume from the benchmarks/datasheets

[frank glade]

are you sure about that with nanite assets? 😅

[jagged wolf]

I see that now lol

😄

Ive got 4000 fbx's im getting ready to import lol 😄

im probably going to cry

😦

[median marsh]

yea specially with UE's incredible FBX importer 😄

i doubt that unity was worse

never seen an fbx importer take 20gb memory for an 100mb fbx, before i started to use UE 😄

[restive sleet]

I went with i5-12600k I got a good deal on it (the full build for 1300 dollars)

[full vortex]

Hi! Hope you are fine. Let me know if this is the right place to ask.

I find myself looking for a new laptop where i can work better in UE5, Designer and Houdini. My budget is £1500 ($1833) tops . Im not doing any heavy VFX sims in Houdini (like flips or whatever) although I will be working in Vellum and VDB's. Most of my work will be focused on procedural creation for open world related stuff: terrain, vegetation, scattering, geometry and texture synthesis, procedural level generation. Same thing for UE5, I will be working mostly on level and terrain generation, geometry scripts, pipeline and showcasing (either demos or illustrations). Probably will jump back to arch viz as well.

My current laptop is just not... enough anymore, and Im trying to upgrade to something that can let me work until in can finally manage to buy a desktop because im usually moving, even from country to country, so i need a laptop for convenience.

I have been using Dell XPS since almos 12 years now, they have been a very solid choice for me but im open to suggestions, im definitely not savy when it comes to brands and details. This is an example of something that seems reasonable to me.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-Predator-PT515-52-73L3-i7-10750H-Dual-Channel/dp/B08CNLPDXV/ref=sr_1_16?keywords=CUK%2BRaider%2BGE66%2Bby_MSI%2BGaming%2BNotebook%2B(NVIDIA%2BGeForce%2BRTX%2B3070%2BTi%2C%2BIntel%2B14-Core%2Bi7-12700H%2B(%3E%2Bi9-11980HK&linkCode=gs3&linkId=932c76af47d7506f3c97f68548deb9a8&qid=1655567747&sr=8-16&th=1

[fallen oasis]

Is a laptop a must? You'll get more bang for your buck if you get a desktop.

6 core processor isn't great. Why do you need a 300Hz refresh rate screen?!

[full vortex]

It is. I do know the differences, but as said in the post, im constantly moving so it is out of convenience for now.

Im open to read suggestions tho.

[fallen oasis]

I'm not sure how much vram that thing will have, it doesn't say in the specs.

Probably not enough.

[full vortex]

I said in the post that im not very savy when it comes to brands and details, im a mathematician so im very focused on other aspects of the pipeline. Im looking for suggestions precisely because of that

[astral shell]

8 GB of dedicated GDDR6 VRAM

wont be enough

pc will always be at 99%

[median marsh]

that really depends on what you do with it

but it's critical, yea

[full vortex]

The suggestion is just a starting point. Maybe it was a bad idea to share that particular laptop. You might just ignore it and suggest something.

[median marsh]

wont run houdini and unreal at the same time probably

[fallen oasis]

https://store.acer.com/en-gb/predator-helios-300-gaming-laptop-ph315-54-black-nh-qc2ek-004

This is £300 off, a btter spec than that, but only 6gb vram :/

[astral shell]

You need 12 to 16 vram, try to find one of those 3060s with 12 gigs in a laptop

i max out my 16 gigs vram in ue5 all the time lol

[median marsh]

or 3060 with 12gb dedicated

[astral shell]

thats what i meant oops!

[median marsh]

until now i didnt even knew that they can sell them with less than 12gb

[astral shell]

OR

you can just say screw the GPU in the laptop and get an external GPU

[median marsh]

^^

this is probably the sanest choice

but would make it way more expensive i guess

[astral shell]

Already lugging around a laptop might as well have that too lol

[full vortex]

Does this one make sense to you? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-Predator-Helios-PH315-54-Gaming/dp/B09RQRGYNV/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3VP7ENJBBDNQL&keywords=Predator+Helios+300+Gaming+Laptop&qid=1655570381&sprefix=predator+helios+300+gaming+laptop+%2Caps%2C74&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFJQkNYTUtVWFhDVEEmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAxMzc0NjMxWjU1REtWNThMQzBIJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA3MDc2NzExTUE1T1o5R1hGTFZNJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

if i want an external GPU, which kind of laptop should i buy then?

[astral shell]

A used one for like 45% off

then get the bagging gpu to make your life easier.

[fallen oasis]

https://www.hp.com/gb-en/shop/product.aspx?id=3E5V4EA&opt=ABU&sel=NTB this isn't so bad, 8gb vram, though

[full vortex]

that one is a bit out of my budget tho (1500 pounds)

[fallen oasis]

Also, wtf is "expert installation" for a laptop?

Does the person just unpack it from the box for you and pluig in the charger?

[full vortex]

install windows for you basically XD

it is a BS charge indeed

[fallen oasis]

6gb vram still.

[median marsh]

see, for that amount of money it's already hard to get an suitable desktop for unreal

[fallen oasis]

I dunno, I'd be able to get a very good one for that.

[median marsh]

including screen?

[fallen oasis]

A 15.6" screen? Absolutely 😄

[full vortex]

got it, im taking note of what i need to look after.

Sorry for these basic questions, this is the first time i have the chance to actually buy something and not rely on whatever i can get (or the office workstation). Thats why i have never focused on that previously

[median marsh]

😄.

[astral shell]

Save up for another 2 weeks get an alienware i guess?

[fallen oasis]

For my development environment, "a" screen wouldn't be enough. I'd need at least 3.

Alienware is just so overpriced though!

[astral shell]

i know...

[full vortex]

this is hte other option i saw https://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-Predator-PT515-52-73L3-i7-10750H-Dual-Channel/dp/B08CNLPDXV/ref=sr_1_16?keywords=CUK%2BRaider%2BGE66%2Bby_MSI%2BGaming%2BNotebook%2B(NVIDIA%2BGeForce%2BRTX%2B3070%2BTi%2C%2BIntel%2B14-Core%2Bi7-12700H%2B(%3E%2Bi9-11980HK&linkCode=gs3&linkId=932c76af47d7506f3c97f68548deb9a8&qid=1655567747&sr=8-16&th=1

[astral shell]

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Alienware-Gaming-Laptop-17-3/dp/B09JCCSFV9/ref=sr_1_33?keywords=I7%2BLaptop%2B12gb%2BRam&qid=1655570617&sr=8-33&th=1

[fallen oasis]

512gb SSD won't cut it.

You need at least 1gb.

[full vortex]

even with externa HHD? i already have 8TB of external storage

[fallen oasis]

You want to work on unreal projects on an external hd? Good luck.

[full vortex]

i have been doing so

[astral shell]

You always want your read and write speeds from your base ssd

[full vortex]

yes, i work on a lot of restrictions in my life, this is the first time i have some options. However, if my budget is not enough i might have to consider raising it i guess

[fallen oasis]

Requirements: 1gb ssd, 30x0 nvidia card with 12gb vram, 4ghz 8 core cpu

Anything else and you're seriously crippling yourself.

When you say moving about, what do you mean?

[full vortex]

i know, i work on a crippled laptop right now (that sounds unfair because this Dell has been a very good machine)

literally moving from country to country

[fallen oasis]

Ah, yeah. You need to not do that and set up a battlestation in a dark room somewhere to make unreal work properly 😄

[full vortex]

i have been in 4 countries in the last 6 years

i will move next year

[fallen oasis]

Stick your base unit+screen in a suitcase and off you go! 😄

[full vortex]

maybe i need to change my mindset, but having a laptop the last 10 years of my life has been the most convenient choice so far

[median marsh]

do an itx build :>

[fallen oasis]

Yeah.

[astral shell]

micro itx is very portable.

[median marsh]

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/pkcTwP

something like this

[astral shell]

You can do like a backpack build

[fallen oasis]

If you're not using the laptop actually on the go (i.e. you're always next to a handy plug socket) then you're probably okay with a small build

[full vortex]

im open to anything, but a laptop definitely has been convenient specially because im not doing heavy vfx sim work

[full vortex]

i do travel a lot