hardware

[twin knot]

i have 4gb ram

[twin knot]

damn

well thats shit

im gonna have to get a good pc then

i want a good one for pcvr anyway

[pulsar saffron]

3060 has more VRAM but it's only 192 bits, therefore the bandwith is lower than a 3070 which is 256bits, so in practice the VRAM will not fit more data than a 3070. Bandwith is as important as VRAM size.

[median marsh]

what did i just read?! can you claim that nonsense?

[dire portal]

Can anyone help? Everytime I use the Xbox app, my computer crashes. I looked at the event viewer and it gives me code 10016 which is-

The application specific permission settings do not Grant local activation permission for the com server application with clsid

[fallen oasis]

Is that... UE related? Have you tried just reinstalling it?

[lethal rose]

i have a 1080p monitor as my main one, but im putting two monitor arms on top of it with 720p ones out of nesessity. they only have VGA inputs on them but i think it would be ok for me to connect them with a displayport adapter to my 1650 super.

is that a bad idea?

[median marsh]

i don't think that those adapters exist?!

and if they do, they are either quite expensive or crap

and rather converters than adapters

[fallen oasis]

It's not ideal. Let's go with that.

[median marsh]

but honestly what kind of panels are those?! i have 2x 17" vertical next to my main, and even they have dvi

and are probably at least 15 years old

Lenovo Rocks the Monitor Landscape with New ThinkVision L171p
20 July 2005

😄

17

[fallen oasis]

I have 2 24s and a 22..

[fallen oasis]

Heh.

I have a 22 because that's all that would fit in the space. 😦

[fleet mist]

You can convert display port to vga but it's going to compress to 720p. The only restriction with display port, is you can only downgrade (ie. Vga to display or hdmi to display)

[errant peak]

Yuck, that's not enough screen space

Also annoying mix of sizes

I have 2 x 31.5" I bought for around $200 each at Costco

and an ultrawide

I was working on using my tablet as a Cintiq like thing yesterday

Yeah the 31.5 would be terrible for anything other than text

Lowish refresh rate and terrible color quality

I use one for Discord, and the other for all that Stack Overflow I'm supposedly copying

Since SO is so very useful to UE devs

Yes it is

I've always thought the perception that programmers just copy code is funny

[storm plank]

Which is better port, HDMI or VGA

[median marsh]

HDMI

[storm plank]

Oh thnx

[dense yarrow]

anyone benchmarked the 5800x3d?

does it make sense to buy it compare to the 5950

[median marsh]

i wouldn't say so in general

[median marsh]

depends on what you are doing with UE

guess there are some tasks where the 5800x3D offers a good price/value ratio

not saying that it's generally the better choice, but neither the opposite

[north arch]

does anyone make usb ram sticks? I feel like there could be a laptop market for it

modern usb is fast

I'd say ethernet ram but frankly, windows probably can't use it right

[median marsh]

...

just setup your windows pagefile correct if you have an internal M2

same if you want to use an external USB drive (which is a bit tricky, as it may cause unexpected behavior if you unplug it while running, or if it's missing on boottime)

[north arch]

yes, I know that is an option

but ram's faster, and raw ram chips are cheap

and while it's unlikely you'll wear out flash, you could, and it's persistent, which could have negative security implications

[median marsh]

still an internal m2 is faster

2.5gb/sec vs. >3gb/sec or even more when it's pciex4

and yeah, you could use DDR2 memory chips for that, and they would still be bored AF

most likely even DDR1 in quadchannel mode or something

[north arch]

you're assuming I'd have a spare m2 port

or that I'm not looking for a portable solution

[fallen oasis]

I have a feeling usb ram would be a massive bottleneck in anything you do.

[north arch]

indeed

no worse than a usb flash drive as ram, since actual ram is much faster than flash

[median marsh]

just buy a 4tb usb stick on wish.com

they pretty sure gonna erase themself

[fallen oasis]

Lol

[lucid dawn]

Quick question: is NewEgg good enough for buying PC parts?

[wind egret]

Yes (US)

USB is capable of DDR2 speeds, with the Gen 2x2. Have to wonder what kind of slowdown that would make for a pagefile. Hard drive latency is easy to see (on the scale of seconds for an efficient drive that puts itself to sleep when idle), but the actual speed?

[scarlet basin]

Does anyone have any suggestions for laptop hardware for high end renders? I understand the use of a laptop for 3d work is generally frowned upon.

I'm a solo developer working on a project that'll require hundreds of high fidelity renders in Unreal. I have a enthusiast level workstation but wanted to work on the go as I travel for my fulltime job so wanted something to use when I'm not home.

I don't really know the complete scope of what I'll be working with later in development so I've played around with getting mid-range gaming laptops as low as a 3060 GPU to studio grade hardware in the $5000 range. Primary concern would be saving time on renders but I imagine my workflow would be doing editor work on my laptop and saving the final render for my primary workstation.

Perhaps the best way to go would be just to get any laptop and remote into my primary workstation? Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.

[fallen oasis]

You want the best you can get. Not Alienware.

Something with a 3090 or 3080. At least a 16 core cpu. A 1tb+ ssd.

and 16gb of ram.

If you can't get that, you can't do "high end."

[median marsh]

laptop and highend don't fit in the same category imho

a 3080 on desktop seems to take 400W peak, not sure how a laptop should handle something similar

[fallen oasis]

That can't be true, unless you're including cpu too.

[median marsh]

ok let it be 350W peak

max power limit seems to be 370W

[wind egret]

enough that microsoft abandoned this idea even though they actually implemented and shipped it in vista
They did advertise it for cheap laptops with too little RAM which would probably be paired with cheap USB 2.0 drives. They weren't great even compared with hard drives of the day.

[scarlet basin]

@median marsh @fallen oasis Yeah generally that's the answer I get. It's totally based on the complexity of my scene so no one can really give a straight answer. I guess the best I can do is purchase and sell/repurchase if I run into performance issues. Thank you for the input!

[fallen oasis]

Just remember VRAM and RAM are both important.

You want at least 8gb and 16gb respectively. Ideally double that.

[scarlet basin]

Yep! I was leaning toward Asus M16 with a 3070 TI, going to add RAM to it. So unless my scenes get insane I'm sure it'll be fine.

[north arch]

Yes but make sure it's from newegg and not their marketplace

[scarlet basin]

What's the issue with the marketplace out of curiosity?

[north arch]

to be blunt, it's like wish or walmart's marketplace: cheap crap from 3rd parties that couldn't cut it on amazon

[lucid dawn]

So it must be sold by them othetwise it's not worth, did I get it?

[north arch]

you might get some gems, or ripped off, if it's not directly a newegg product, yes

[errant peak]

....and on the flipside I've had enough bad experiences with Newegg I generally avoid buying from them.

[devout pendant]

Ive never had a problem so i dunno why someone woullld say this

[errant peak]

I've had multiple orders cancelled, some they didn't notify me.

I've had items arrive DOA and getting support was near impossible.

In 2016 they were bought by a Chinese company, and that seems to align with when I started having problems with them. May be an issue of new management.

[devout pendant]

Hmm.

[fossil sage]

is it weird that "a typical system for development with UE5" has a 2012 CPU

[fading ice]

think because any game you make should be set to run on this at peak performance...as it is basically the stats for a PS5 and Xbox

[fallen oasis]

But you need better stats to develop a game than to run it.

[fading ice]

true

[devout pendant]

Is this an anecdote?

Ie. Personal experience?

[fallen oasis]

Just common sense really.

When you're developing a game in the editor, you're using both the game and the editor and not in shipping configuration. Unleses you shut down the editor and run a packaged build every time you want to test something...

Plus the game is highly unlikely to be well optimised during the development stage.

[glacial nest]

what graphic card performs better on the unreal engine

the 3060 12gb or the 3060TI 8gb?

[median marsh]

same as in games

just that the 12gb are more useful in gamedev than the slightly faster processing speed that the TI offers

[frank glade]

I have 12gb and wished I had 24gb 😅

[frail pagoda]

is it better to pair RTX 2060 12 GB with i9 10900KF or RTX 3070 with i5 10400F

okay, i thought i choosed the wrong choice tho 😂 i was thinkin like i should've pair it with i9 10900KF and rtx 2060 12 GB

what about the compilation process for i5 gen 10? i'm planning to do game development by anytime soon

what about the others?

why would you?

[fallen oasis]

I have 28gb apparently

[flat glade]

this image is probably from the 2014 docs

wait, that's for 5???

okay then...

[astral musk]

That cpu launched in 2012 and was discontinued in 2015. I'm pretty sure they've upgraded their computers since then

I bet they just don't maintain that page

[devout pendant]

imagine having 512 MB of RAM

unfathomable today

i remember when a gigabyte was alot

[median marsh]

i've been there (my first pc had 4MB memory :D)

[storm plank]

I have 16 gb ram in my laptop but shows 15 gb

[storm plank]

My school pc has windows Vista and 512mb ram

[dire prawn]

what good graphics card that don't have to be high performance just runs smoothly

oh

is rtc 480 good?

rtx*

rx***

well i need a card that i use only for the editor to run smoothly, because im gonna be making VR projects mostly

oh

[vivid skiff]

Lower FPS in VR is just asking for health problems

[dire prawn]

is a 1050 ti good?

what if im using an oculus

[median marsh]

1050 ti is good if you aim for counter strike source graphics

if you want to get stuff done, not so much

[north arch]

my first had a 90MB hard drive...

[fallen oasis]

My first actual PC has 2 40MB ejectable data packs.

I feel I got a weird start.

These things 😄

[fallen bough]

Can someone recommend a quality of 16x2 RAM

[north arch]

oh man... gonna be tough finding a 16 bit ram chip... one sec...

how about 16 kilobit?
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/71321SA55JG8/4252632

[devout pendant]

16 nibble ram chip?

[fallen oasis]

8 bytes is not enough!

[north arch]

need at least 128 bytes

[median marsh]

i've seen a lot of things, but wtf is that?

something like datasette?

[fallen oasis]

They're ejectable hard disks.

Like if you combined a floppy drive and a hard disk.

They were really cool. You had to "park" them before you turned off the pc and you could eject them from the command line. They slid out really slowly lol.

[wind egret]

That's an amazing amount of effort for a hard disk that's ... lukewarm-swappable?

[fallen bough]

lmao

Better than nothing I'll take that 16 kilobit chip

[wind egret]

Perfect for Unreal Engine -1.8

[fallen bough]

Damn 16kilobit one is not shipping to Turkey

[fallen oasis]

They were totally swappable!

Hot swappable!

[median marsh]

so one of these niche products

i mean, they still exist, theres a backup solution which uses cartridges which have 2.5" hard disks....

RDX standard

https://www.amazon.com/Tandberg-Data-8731-RDX-TANDBERG-Cartridge/dp/B00GQSWUJO

oh boy, that reminds me of the tandberg nightmare with some tape library...

i think they only persons which are happy with those are the ones on the stock photos 😄

[wet ore]

thats nutrageous, just buy a cheap 4tb HDD for $50, and a usb3.0 external sata dock for $20, if a HDD ever dies you can 9.9/10 times recover the spinning disk inside by swapping into a new HDD

[median marsh]

well, you can let people do it

wouldn't try to repair modern helium filled drives at home

[wind egret]

you really would let the magic smoke out

[frail pagoda]

how a locked i9 gen 10 price is higher than the unlocked one?

[frail pagoda]

Hey i wanna ask about gpu for ue5
is it better to get a used RTX 2080 Ti (ex gaming) or RTX 3070 new one?

rtx 2080 ti has 11 gb vram and rtx 3070 has 8 gb vram, their performance is kinda similar though in some cases rtx 2080 ti is better 5% but im kinda worry about rtx 3070 for the future

[dry reef]

i think if you need more vram it's better to stick with 2080 but if you need to use the more cuda cores that 3070 have you can pick it but i have a 3070 and a 3090 and i can say the software support for Ampere series is not good as old ones ! personally i prefer more vram but you also have to consider that gpu prices are going to back to normal so it may be worth getting an 3080 instead

[frail pagoda]

the sad thing is i already bought rtx 3070 for about 5 days ago

and im thinkin to trade for rtx 2080 ti for future proof

cause i dont think rtx 3070 with 8 gb vram will future proof 🤷‍♂️

[dry reef]

have to mention that if you want to use it along with windows 11 , ue5 is unstable with win11 and 3000 series

[frail pagoda]

should i stick with my rtx 3070?

i want to make a game with ue5

and yeah also my os is windows 11

not sure i5 gen 10 will handle it well

[dry reef]

it's ur call, 3070 is not that bad and game wise you can use it for years tho

[dry reef]

if it can't handle 3070 it can't handle 2080 ti too, i think you are fine

[frail pagoda]

it surely can handle 3070 with 20% bottleneck but with a stable performance

[dry reef]

then it's good to go

[frail pagoda]

can i5 gen 10 handle ue5?

i mean i will probably open UE5, blender, firefox, and Visual studio at the same time

i have 32 gb ram, so it should be enough, isn't it?

[median marsh]

is enough vram real?

[frail pagoda]

what about 48?

8 x 2 (single), 16 x 2 ( dual )

i have a klevv 2x8 gb ram, and gskill 16x2, they both have same speed and clock, but there is some difference specs between them

so i just disconnected the klevv ram, for gaming it's more stable though

same brands?

[fallen oasis]

It's a bad idea to mix ram of different types/stats.

[frail pagoda]

yeah ik that's why i disconnected em

[fallen oasis]

Even the same type of ram not bought at the same time / in a specifically designed pack can have issues.

[frail pagoda]

but incase 32 gb is not enough 🤷‍♂️

[vagrant herald]

Does anybody here have a 6700xt? If so, how well does it work with ue5

[frail pagoda]

so the thing is

would you guys rather go rtx 2080 ti or rtx 3070

[storm plank]

3070 obviously

More faster

[frail pagoda]

8 gb vram worries me 🤷‍♂️

[storm plank]

Enough for this purpose tho

Even rtx 3060 12gb will help

[frail pagoda]

Not future proof i'd say

[vestal nacelle]

Got 2 of these, seller accepted an offer for only $825 each https://www.ebay.com/itm/175278911837

[gritty hound]

Not strictly engine related but will a laptop RTX 3070 TI at 90-100w and 8gm VRAM, and 32gb system ram qualified to run UE5 well? Targeting high performance hardware?

[vagrant herald]

Which would be better for unreal 5, 3060 ti or 6700xt

Cuz I can get them for similar prices

The 6700xt has more sheer horsepower, but I’ve heard people having issues with amd cards and unreal, is this true?

Also the 3060 ti has better hardware rt

[frail pagoda]

No, the rtx 3060 is better than the 6700 xt

Wdym

[vagrant herald]

for unreal or just in general

[frail pagoda]

General, except gaming

[vagrant herald]

ok

[frail pagoda]

No

RTX 2080 TI

it has 11 GB vram

[median marsh]

mobile? Oo

[frail pagoda]

so it should be sufficient

[frail pagoda]

i hope my rtx 3070 with 8 gb vram can handle em

[median marsh]

i also encounter "frequent" crashs on my not optimized little town (with 12gb vram)

so specially while you are working on something, you never cant have enough vram 😄

[restive sleet]

Ryzen 7 3800x/5800x
RTX 3060-12GB
32GB RAM 3200mHz
Are these specs good enough for UE5 virtual production?

[median marsh]

seems like a good start

if it is sufficient will depend on your projects and patience 😄

[frail pagoda]

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g||

👌

does the M.2 / M.3 SSD with 4000 mb/s speed really impacts to the unreal engine?

planning to buy 256 GB

why would it?

well i have a 256 GB ssd (os) and 1 hdd tb drive so

should i get a normal one then?

and then buy 512 GB size

alr 512 gb ssd would be fine right?

im gonna install unity, unreal and blender and visual studio stuff into it

[mighty cosmos]

I would go with a tb or 2 tbh
Plus higher capacity ssds actually have longer lifespan as well

[frail pagoda]

i dont have enough budget to go on 1 tb and above

hmm 🤔

then what my hdd should be used for

probably silly projects like discord bots or some stuff

then why would you need 1 tb ssd for it though

ahh i see, what's your cpu?

nevermind, then 1 tb ssd should be enough right?

shouldn't it?

wym save on speed?

[median marsh]

because your "real" project is just a coroutine

[frail pagoda]

whatchu think?

yes i have b460 steel legend mobo

[median marsh]

and if you don't have an m2 slot, pciexpress adapter cards exist, and are only ~$20

go for m2 pci ex nvme

[frail pagoda]

well i guess they're more expensive

[median marsh]

a-data also has some

[frail pagoda]

tried to search other one, around 1.8 - 2 million rupiah

which around $120 to $140

[median marsh]

give a link to that shop please

[frail pagoda]

https://www.enterkomputer.com/search?q=ssd

im planning to upgrade cpu first before getting an ssd, im kinda worry that i5 10400f cant really handle ue5

[median marsh]

https://enterkomputer.com/detail/164924/ADATA-SX6000-Lite-1TB-M2-NVME-R-1800MBS-W-1200MBS

theres at least this one, idk how MUCH more expensive that is

but that thing is ~3x faster than the normal S-ATA variant

[frail pagoda]

only $10 more

like around $10-15

decent though

but the stock is probably out

[median marsh]

yea if your board has an M2 pciexpress slot, i would go for that one

[frail pagoda]

will i5 10400f able to handle to run ue5 and visual studio?

🤔

[median marsh]

hmmm, looks like your board doesn't have the necessary slot

[frail pagoda]

yeah, planning to upgrade to i9-10900F or i9-10900KF

i hope it'd be enough

[median marsh]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JJTVGZM that would be the kind of adapter you would need without m2 slot

[frail pagoda]

small enough huh, should've upgraded my cpu and buy rtx 3060 instead..

[median marsh]

but couldn't find one on that shop

[frail pagoda]

https://www.tokopedia.com/enterkomputer/orico-pdm2-dual-m-2-nvme-to-pci-e-3-0-x4-expansion-card

[median marsh]

anyways.... i got the 480gb version of the SU-650 that you initially asked for, the SSD is okayish

[frail pagoda]

there is

[median marsh]

when the cache is full it gets awkward slow while writing, so if you write alot to the SSD, it will not be a good choice

if it's mostly for reading (e.g. installing applications on it) then it's fine

[median marsh]

yes, that should do the job

but some mainboards only support one M2 on those adapter cards, so don't expect a 2nd to run flawless

[frail pagoda]

i wouldnt buy two disks

[median marsh]

for two M2 on the same adapter your mobo would need pci express bifurcation support, which only a few have

[frail pagoda]

but though, kinda dissapointed with my cpu lol, i should have upgrade to i9 gen 10 and rtx 3060 instead of upgrading to rtx 3070

[median marsh]

wait nvm, looks like that card is for 1x PCI Ex and 1x S-ATA (which then gets connected by cable to the board)

so if you buy this adapter, and the m2 that i linked, the M2 has to be in the lower slot of the adapter

the other slot wont work

https://www.tokopedia.com/komputerteman/pci-express-m-2-adapter-support-nvme-and-ngff-m2-sata?src=topads this looks similar but cheaper

[frail pagoda]

yeah i think that'd be enough, but probably i cant afford 1 TB SSD for now

can i ask about cpu?

should i get i7-12700F or i9-12900F ?

the 12900F only has 4 e-cores more than the i7-12700f

would it make a difference for ue projects thingy

not planning to overclock or use k version, gonna rip up my electricity bill lol

[median marsh]

you should keep the i5 for now imho (specially if you can't afford an upgrade to pci ex ssd)

it's not the best, but also not the worst to start with

i used a 3rd(!) gen i7 with 4 cores for quite a while

[frail pagoda]

yeah, i guess but though still thinkin if 1 TB SSD is really needed than 512 GB

🤷‍♂️

instead use 256 GB + 512

nvm, 1 tb is better though 👀

[fallen oasis]

2TB is even better.

[frail pagoda]

price 📈

well i guess im gonna use my hdd for applications projects

[median marsh]

you gain more from a quick SSD rather than an cpu upgrade, imho

[frail pagoda]

yeah planning to upgrade in 6-7 months

but probably im not going to amd, ddr5 is expensive as fuck

[unborn pike]

you definitely want a 2 TB nvm

there's like only one or two slots on a mobo and UE will eat that 1 TB up for breakfast

[grave depot]

Important to think about WRT space if you're not using a build machine. Budget for:

• UE Install + other tools
• Your UE Project Files
• A copy of your project files (for cooking / intermediates)
• Your cooked game
• Your art source

[frail pagoda]

Hey @iron zenith can i use my hdd for now? tbh i never touched ue5 neither, i'm going to learn it

planning to upgrade to b660 mobo and i7-12700F

and ill buy the ssd later soon, in 6 months

hm, well i cant afford m.2 nvme 1 tb for now

gonna be overbudget.

and i know, that 512 GB would be a waste

yeah i guess i'd stick with my hdd for 6 months, and upgrade asap

[mellow forum]

What monitor do you use for Unreal engine? I am in the market for a new monitor. Someone said they were using an Apple Pro Display XDR and not sure if this is a good option with Windows.

Looking for a high resolution monitor mainly. I do not need it to be super color accurate.

I was looking at a 27”/32”. As far as refresh rate goes, what do you think would be best for making 3d fps unreal engine games? Currently there is not budget, as I am looking for suggestions of what I am going to start saving up for.

Thank you btw @slate blade

Nvidia 2080

HDR would be nice. I was looking a OLED, but it looks like mostly huge monitors, so no preference really. I will not really be gaming on this monitor as it will be used for UE5/programming dev with my windows PC and programming on my work Mac.

The high resolution of the Pro XDR looks appealing to reading lots of text all day, but I don’t really know how well it will work with windows and UE5.

Although, a 60hz refresh rate on the Pro Display XDR is not great.

HDR 1000

[mellow forum]

@slate blade what refresh rate does your monitor have?

Thank you

[fallen oasis]

60Hz 5ms is pretty bad these days.

Great for coding, probably. 😛

[mighty cosmos]

I can't imagine using anything other than 144Hz after trying it

lol

[restive sleet]

What matters more for virtual production with greenscreen in ue5?
Is it more vram or more cuda cores ?
(Considering the projects are relatively small)

[median marsh]

no idea

i don't even know if unreal uses cuda at all

[restive sleet]

I checked the benchmarks at puget systems and the minimum they recommended was a 3070 ti

I'm confused if I should go for the 3060 12gb or get a 3070 instead

[median marsh]

they also sell 512GB S-ATA SSD in their systems, and if you change it to a faster 1TB M2 SSD the system gets cheaper

thats how they lost me 😄

[fallen oasis]

12gb vram is needed.

[restive sleet]

it would be so convenient if 3060ti/3070 had more vram

is there any amd card that's better than 3060 under $600

[fallen oasis]

Most AMD cards are better $/fps

[restive sleet]

but are they good when it comes to rendering?

[frail pagoda]

why is it?

well AMD cards is for gaming, Nvidia is for gaming/editing/render stuff

i have 8 too :/

dont u have rtx 3070?

what's yours

oh i see

should i trade my rtx 3070 with rtx 2080 ti then lol

for 11 gb vram

[median marsh]

anyones secret 😛

i would see how far you get with the 3070 before thinking about a trade

[restive sleet]

not worth it imo. I suggest you stick with the 3070 and upgrade to the next gen amd cpu and stick with that setup until you max out on vram usage

you could upgrade to a 4000 series gpu later

[frail pagoda]

im upgrading to intel i7 12th gen

for my cpu

[restive sleet]

AMD is announcing a new gen cpu in a few days. you could wait and check out the performance and price compared to the i7 12th gen. you might get a better deal

[frail pagoda]

not getting ddr5

would rip off my wallet

[restive sleet]

one good advantage of amd cpu is the motherboard for all of them have am4 sockets so you could save up a few bucks on your motherboard when you upgrade your cpu

[restive sleet]

i think it will be compatible with ddr4 and also ddr5

[frail pagoda]

but not sure

the price probably gonna be higher than the i7 12th gen

pretty sure about it

current ryzen 9 5900x is 25% higher than the i7 12 th gen

[restive sleet]

the price will drop after they release the next gen

but as of now intel is cheaper and better

[frail pagoda]

yeah probably will upgrade again in next 3 generations of intel

[restive sleet]

my initial plan was to get ryzen 7 5800x but intel outperforms it

[frail pagoda]

im gonna stick to i7 12 th gen for now

[restive sleet]

the i5 12th gen is cheaper and has 4 more cores than ryzen 7 5800x

[frail pagoda]

yea, that's why it'd be better to get intel for now than ryzen

well if i have extra budget i'd get ryzen 9 5950x than i9

they're similar cause im using DDR4

[restive sleet]

yes but wait for a week after the new gen releases the prices might drop

[frail pagoda]

nah man, i dont think so

cause my country is indonesia so not really though

i cant buy things from amazon or ebay

it'd cost me $70 - 90 for the delivery lol

[restive sleet]

offline sellers offer a better price

[frail pagoda]

yeah, im getting an intel 12 th gen cpu from an offline seller

i traded my old components and extra cash for it

[dire portal]

Will the surface laptop studio be good for gaming and unreal engine?

[devout pendant]

Should I upgrade my 3060ti to a 3080 or wait for RTX 4000 to come out

[pastel plover]

Personally using a 3060. I think waiting till later this year is worth it. You might even be able to find 3080s cheaper if you can't find 4080 at MSRP

[frail pagoda]

AM5 will only be using DDR5 which is sucks

🙃

[devout pendant]

ok thanks

[pastel plover]

My pleasure!

[rotund violet]

If you are looking for rendering, sure GPUs are great but also the amount of CPU cores will matter

[frosty grove]

are ryzen 5600x a lot better than ryzen 2700x?

[frail pagoda]

yes

[brave depot]

hi, are there any differences between cl 16 and cl 18 ram for unreal engine 4/5 ? I have now ryzen 5900x with 32GB RAM 3200MHz cl 14, but looking for 3600mhz cl16 ram (since internet resources said that is the best) but there are almost only cl 18

[brave depot]

yeah, but cl16 is so expensive :/

[frail pagoda]

Just get the a double stick of GSkill 16 gb 3200mhz ram

The performance is really great

[median marsh]

gskill is meh

[stoic owl]

Does anyone know any good laptops or computers to use for unreal engine because I have no idea

[stoic owl]

ok

thx

[stoic owl]

Yeah I don't see it

[cosmic wyvern]

Hi! Rtx 3060 12GB VRAM or rtx 3070 8GB for unreal engine?

[median marsh]

depends on your project

[cosmic wyvern]

something more complex

[frank glade]

new ryzens this fall? so far away 😅

[pastel plover]

Vram is so nice

[errant peak]

A studio I worked at years ago used the Spyder calibrators. You could see if they are still any good.

Sorry I don't know which model they used, and it was long enough ago it probably doesn't matter.

[errant peak]

https://www.color-meanings.com/do-women-see-more-colors-than-men/

I wonder if this applies to cats 🤔

[devout pendant]

#lounge

[median marsh]

why do you want one tho? aren't they only useful when working with prints?

[hollow vigil]

a stupid newcomer question:
So I got a small aorus eGPU box for my laptop (thunderbolt 3, xps15 ) to update my graphics to make UE experience with megascan assets and foliage less of a slideshow on an oven i put my hands on. (i downscale it rn, still an oven. meh experience)

now the question comes: which graphics to put in it.
NVidia has DLSS and RTX, with all their AI stuff. While AMD looks cheaper for same performance.
Looking at 2060s/3060 levels of performance, but for cheaper, so i consider second hand options.
Need it only for working with UE and testing demos I will make.
Are NVidia mid-range cards worth extra cash?

My current plan is to use it for learning and making short single player story-based shooter with megascan assets and simple music videos.(too much specifics, i know)

[median marsh]

as mentioned 20 times before in the last week, the 3060 is a good option as it has 12gb vram which is useful when working with large textures / mesh data

[blazing shard]

If you're going to use lumen with use hardware ray tracing when available, probably want to go Nvidia for better ray tracing performance

Also DLSS is nicer than TSR, whenever we get the official plugin updated

[hollow vigil]

so, no AMD options better per $ as I understand?

[median marsh]

i can't tell you how good the AMD stuff is, as i don't had my hands on any of those

i'm using a 3060, performance is ok, not outstanding, but good enough to work with it

[hollow vigil]

thank you!

[frail pagoda]

should've pick rtx 3060 and pick i9 gen 12 than rtx 3070 + i7 12700f

[median marsh]

and only upgraded because of the vram, had 6gb before which wasn't enough on the long term, even the 12GB are kinda borderline on linux/vulkan 😄

[frail pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/depressed-bored-boredom-swing-head-gif-17224602

[median marsh]

gaming

they should be good enough for that

but editor != gaming

[hoary tusk]

anyone have tweak tips for mx150 i5 8gen 12gb ram?

[warped bison]

pray

[native roost]

if i wanted to make a game like breathe of the wild for example but with more npcs and stuff happening in the world all the time

but without 2k or 4k graphics

with multiplayer possibly

like instanced multiplayer or something of that manner

[vivid skiff]

You want go all out with 8K textures?

[native roost]

what would be the best for making the game world

also can you use nanite on landscaping

no

i want 1080

[warped bison]

yeah

[vivid skiff]

No nanite on landscapes

[native roost]

nothing higher than 1080 resoltion

wait what

can you or not xD

[vivid skiff]

Not with landscapes

But you can premade landscapes as static meshes and then have Nanite

[native roost]

how do i make it not break my pc
with large landscapes

oh

So wait

[vivid skiff]

Though I don't think GTX 1080 support Nanite anymore

[native roost]

what if my landscape wouldnt change at all ver

i waana have level destruction

so my game wont ever run on 1080 pcs

apparently :C

wait serious question tho

whats best for for making a game world using landscape or static meshes with nanite?

if the world litteral landscape wont change

[vivid skiff]

Your game could run on GTX 1080, but likely without Nanite and you have to provide fallback meshes

[native roost]

actually nvm ill use landmass rehardless lol

ok so thats good that my pc can run on old pcs

but lerts leave that question for unreal general

what would be best for making a large world with interactive maps and objects all over

because im about to drop a whole lots

of the money

and idk what i need

more gb or more speed

[warped bison]

you want 8gb vram+

[vivid skiff]

Personally I use landscape because of auto quad tessellations

[vivid skiff]

Preferrably both

[native roost]

so 3090 :C

[warped bison]

3070 is fine

[native roost]

wait

[vivid skiff]

But more VRAM benefits are more apparent

[native roost]

3070 is ok with a really large world?

[native roost]

how do i do more vram?

[vivid skiff]

RTX 2060 Super is fine

[native roost]

can i download* it >:3

[vivid skiff]

Don't buy lower end RTX 30xx ones, particularly RTX 3050

[native roost]

ok

so

where is middle ground

[vivid skiff]

RTX 3050 is a joke

RTX 2060 Super is a good budget middleground, it has 6 GB VRAM (IIRC) and RTX capable

[native roost]

wait vram is only in gpu

[vivid skiff]

Heck, I say RTX 3050 is NVIDIA attempt at poor shaming

[warped bison]

whats your budget?

[native roost]

almost 2000

[warped bison]

for the gpu or whole pc?

[native roost]

gpu

[median marsh]

dont get a 2060, rather the 3060 which has 12GB VRAM

[native roost]

lol

[warped bison]

bruh

get a 3080 then

[median marsh]

and if im not wrong 1080 should support nanite

[vivid skiff]

Or go all the way to 3090

(or wait a bit for 4090)

[warped bison]

selling my 3080 when 4000 series drops probs

starving for more vram

[native roost]

o.o

[vivid skiff]

Though for low budget I think RTX 2060 Super holds up well

[median marsh]

2000 for a whole new pc, or just gpu?

[native roost]

wait

[median marsh]

also which currency

[native roost]

usd

sorry i got lost of the sauce

[frail pagoda]

hmm, i bought rtx 3070 & i7 12th and kinda regretted it and i should've bought rtx 3060 and i9 12th instead lol

but yea, i guess if you're on a low budget i'd recommend rtx 2060 super 12 gb

[vivid skiff]

At least you're not buying RTX 3050

[frail pagoda]

just a no for rtx 3050

that shit is a shit

[vivid skiff]

lmao
NVIDIA's poor shaming on that lol

[frail pagoda]

just why nvidia 8 gb vram for rtx 3070 👀 🔥

[vivid skiff]

RTX 2060 S has more VRAM than RTX 3050 and even in my local third world country the prices for the former isn't half bad

[frail pagoda]

mine rtx 3050 is literally same though

but if you have extra cash just go for rtx 3060 if you wanna

or spend the rest for your cpu

[median marsh]

why do you regret it? both should work well for unreal

sure the 3060 has benefits in some cases, but overall the 3070 is also a good card

and i7 also is good enough for UE, you don't really need an i9 unless you do mostly c++ stuff

[frail pagoda]

just if i got 3060, i can buy 1 tb ssd nvme, and upgrade rtx 4000/5000 series in 2 years

my monitor is 1080p so i wouldnt need rtx 3070 much though

[frail pagoda]

i do c++ stuff, im a programmer geek 🤓

i wish i could trade my current card for rtx 2080 ti and get $200 from it lel

though, i7 12th gen should be good i paired it with an AIO cooler 240L, much better than i9 gen 10

idk, just i kinda regret it though if i only just trade for rtx 3060 and i9 but welps, im fine with my current one

[median marsh]

luxury regrets

[frail pagoda]

yea maybe, but the thing is my monitor is 1080p rtx 3070 is kinda overkill

and i do code stuff, so the intel i9 would be much better for me, but yeah guess im alrighty for my current spec now movin on lol

[fallen oasis]

Why is a 3070 overkill for 1080p?

[frail pagoda]

try to search on some benchmarks, you'll see

but yea im okay with it

[fallen oasis]

Are you saying that games are cpu limited on a 3070 at 1080p?

[frail pagoda]

No, not really on games, im saying that i could use the rest money to spend on cpu & ssd, i rarely use blender or render thingy i'd use it just to test ray tracing dlss and ultra graphics

30 fps is enough to do tests even so

But nevermind, i did bought it just gonna use it pretty well

[fallen oasis]

Ah ha.

[frail pagoda]

Yeah my stupidity xD

[split pier]

hi , i am new in unreal engine 5 , i am learning the udemy course of unreal engine 5 , i want to know is this specification good ,
my laptop is
lenovo ideapad gaming 3
AMD ryzen 5 4600H
GTX 1650
16 gb ram
512 gb ssd
120 Hz FHD display

[hollow vigil]

udemy already has UE5 course! Interesting (sadly no longer have work subscription 😦 )

[fallen oasis]

I believe that not everything is possible.

Your statement is broken.

[fallen oasis]

Still breaks your original statement!

You're just double breaking it by believing that what I believe is wrong.

[vivid skiff]

Consider looking for better laptop. What's your budget?

[hollow vigil]

i am learning on a laptop, and its overheating as hell but, mine is not for gaming, for most basic stuff it goes well, unless i have 2 instances of unreal open with 2 browsers.

about memory: megascans eat a LOT of memory. Just for reference if you want to try out matrix city its 100gb, as is valley of the ancients.

[flat glade]

There is an intersection only map if you need to see the crowd without the rest of the city

Still fairly heavy though

[split pier]

500 KD

In usd I don’t know how much it will be 🤔

I would like to know more info in what you have got to give, any advices and informations will be really helpful

[median marsh]

what is KD? CAD?

[split pier]

Kuwaiti Dinar

[median marsh]

1.634,75 United States Dollar according to google

that sounds like a pretty strong currency actually

[frail pagoda]

rtx 3060 ;/

[vivid skiff]

Then do consider grabbing better laptop with better GPU, like RTX 2060 Super or equivalent/better.
Lenovo isn't particularly well known for gaming laptop lineup, at least compared to the likes of MSI, Acer, Asus, HP or Dell

[fervent jolt]

yeah i'll probably give a reseat a go thanks, thankfully this is a 980ti that has long served its purpose and it made it through the worst of the crypto storm, i couldn't have asked for much more

[split pier]

i will wait and buy directly rtx 4080 desktop GPU or RX 7900 XT desktop GPU

i will build my custom pc 😇

[dire portal]

Would this be good for unreal engine 5?

And would it run city map?

[astral musk]

it will "run" it. probably wont be very smooth

[dire portal]

Trying you get a laptop that would be pretty powerful. Trying to trade my 3090 with people and this person is the first one that is allowing that. @astral musk

If anyone is in Spokane and is trying to sell there laptop that is capable of running unreal engine 5 and is able to run the city map, let me know. I might be able to trade you my 3090.

[astral musk]

why trade a 3090 for it? thats a massive downgrade

[dire portal]

I went into too much dept

I would like to go higher, but there is no good computers in my area to do a trade with

[astral musk]

the current recommended specs for the city map are 12-core CPU, 64gb RAM, and at least 8GB of VRAM.

[dire portal]

So, probably go for a razer laptop?

[astral musk]

if it matches those specs, sure

[dire portal]

There is nothing in my area that matches those specs

Sadly

[astral musk]

to get those specs in a laptop would be worth way more than a 3090

[dire portal]

Would a razer laptop with a 3080 and 32 gb ram be okay?

[astral musk]

could be

[dire portal]

There is nothing in my area still tho

If anyone is in Spokane and is trying to sell there laptop that is capable of running unreal engine 5 and is able to run the city map, let me know. I might be able to trade you my 3090 or my whole Pc.

[frail pagoda]

rtx 3090 price is even lower than an rtx 3070 laptop

i mean with, a decent spec with a decent cpu

[dire portal]

That is why I am trying to get one used

I might be willing to get give out the full computer

Also

[frail pagoda]

there is a rare chance someone will trade it with u though

[dire portal]

I've done that

[dire prawn]

Hi i have a crappy setup and I wanna start VR game development
Here are my current specs:
I7-4765T
8GB ram
HD 4600 graphics
I'm gonna buy 16gb ram and a gtx 2060 or a 1650 super

Would i need anything else

[storm prawn]

Better cpu

[median marsh]

rather more memory than a better cpu

[frail pagoda]

gtx 2060?

u mean gtx 1060?

get the 6 gb variant if you wanna

[median marsh]

isn't it the same for VR?

[frail pagoda]

yea, probably get a rtx 2060 super with 12 gb vram lel

[median marsh]

apparently yes (was also surprised and googled it)

[frail pagoda]

sad for u

if u have an extra cash

get rtx 3060

just nono for rtx 3050

hope the rtx 4000 series is good, and nvidia rtx 4000 series card vram is not 8

[rugged wedge]

recommendation for a 4K HDR monitor for game dev?

[rugged wedge]

no idea

mainly need it to test if the game works in HDR and at 4K

[median marsh]

just get something that your target group would buy 😄

those are the ones that you make the game for

[rugged wedge]

that's what I'm looking for, no clue what that is though

what's the closest to a standard average 4k hdr monitor

sounds good what's that

I'll need the HDR

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VG289Q-Monitor-FreeSync-DisplayPort/dp/B0845NXCXF this?

done 😂

it's easy: if you can stomach going to walmart you can have it for $30 :)

https://www.amazon.com/People-Walmart-com-Adult-Coloring-Book/dp/1945056088

[dire prawn]

idk bro if it's gtx or rtx

it's the 2060 all i know 😂

is the 1650 super good

[median marsh]

not for gamedev, unless you want to make low poly stuff with small texture sizes

if you plan on 4k textures, forget it

[frank glade]

But you should dev on a monitor closest to true, so there's little deviation. If you dev on a generic monitor, there's already a deviation, you'll add more 😆

[dire portal]

Can the steam deck run unreal engine?

[dire portal]

Alright

Thank you

[deft jay]

Hi guys, I need to make a new pc for ue5, I'm currently using an old i3-4330 & GTX 750 ti with 24gb of ram.
What would be a good setup without putting too much budget into it ? I was thinking about a i7-10700K with a rtx 3060 and at least 32gb of ram. What do you guys think ?

[dire portal]

Processor is probably okay, probably go with a 3070 for the graphics card and 32 - 64gb ram is good.

[wind egret]

3070 is only 8gb and the 3060 is plenty fast enough at 1080p.

[deft jay]

Yes I was thinking about the 3060 also for the Price difference (450€ for 3060 vs ~850€ for the 3070 currently).
And the 3060 that I saw has 12gb I believe.

[median marsh]

i think all normal 3060's have 12GB

only the TI has 8gb for some reason

[wind egret]

The 3060 got "lucky" because nvidia didn't want to cut it down to 6GB.

Even the 3050 has 8GB

[grand sundial]

Hey all 👋🏻 I'm certain people in this chat are tired of hearing this from newbies but I'm looking to get my first PC or preferably laptop to start usung unreal 5. If I wanted to buy something that's essentially ready to go out the box, what's the best recommendation?

[fallen oasis]

Do you have any programming or game development experience?

If you want a good system, you're going to burn a $3000+ hole in your wallet.

[grand sundial]

I watch a lot of stuff on YouTube about it but as to actual experience, nope

I'd literally be starting from scratch

[fallen oasis]

Well, like I say, it's a bit investment for a hobby you don't even know you'll be good at/enjoy

[grand sundial]

And to be honest right now I'm just looking to make some basic proof of concept stuff

More to show how something would look/work using a lot of premade assets, rather than like, making my own full game

[fallen oasis]

What do you have atm? System-wise

[grand sundial]

Literally nothing 🗿

[fallen oasis]

Alright.

So you probably want something with at least 8 cores, 16gb (pref 32) of ram, 8 (pref 12+) of vram, a 1gb ssd plus additional storage.

And at least a 20" screen, preferably closer to 30.

As for specific models, things like Alienware or whatever are overpriced.

Do not buy a Mac.

[grand sundial]

Wouldn't buy a mac if my life depended on it

Ok so if i wanted to mess around with the basics, as in more just testing out gameplay features, animations etc in a completely blank environment, do you think I could get away with spending less than £1000?

That's like $1250

[fallen oasis]

Possibly?

Find something!

You can always ask people here if they think it's a good choice.

[median marsh]

also depends if you start from scratch or upgrade something existing nvm, sounds like you start with nothing

and i dont know what the point of some asset flipping is (which would also cost you money, unless you can grab everything for free, which is highly unlikely)

either you want to do something serious or you just want to play an expensive "game"

[dire portal]

Will a 3060 be okay for a laptop for running unreal engine 5 city map?

[wet ore]

this is what you see when you open the city sample, they recommend a 2080/3080

  - 12-Core CPU @ 3.4 GHz
  - 64 GB RAM
  - GeForce RTX 2080 or AMD Radeon 6000 (or higher)
  - At least 8GB of VRAM.

Engine Scalability and Mass AI density can be reduced to increase performance.

Nanite is only supported by NVIDIA Maxwell GPUs and AMD GCN GPUs or higher.

Up to date graphics drivers and DirectX 12 are required.

[dire portal]

Alright.

Thank you

[frail pagoda]

Hello guys, i wanna ask

what would you prefer?

1. RTX 3060 + i9 12900F
2. RTX 3070 + i7 12700F

just curious though, i've built the second one

[frail pagoda]

8 gb vram is the least requirement huh :/

[dire portal]

How is this build for unreal engine 5?https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ChilledFisher/saved/LxKnpg

[median marsh]

This part list is private.

[dire portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HYGfpH

Try again

[median marsh]

looks good, but i would go for 64GB RAM

but depends on your projects

and maybe another CPU cooler

silentiumpc grandis 3 is neat if it's available in your country (nvm apparently not lga 1700 compatible)

[dire portal]

Ddr5 ram is expensive

It would be about $500 for 64gb

[median marsh]

your choice

[flat glade]

Stick with ddr4

So maybe get a Ryzen and save hundreds of dollars

[median marsh]

yea, when going for DDR5 you could also wait for ryzen 7k series

or go 5900/5950x route, they are still solid systems which should be able to serve for a few years

[dire portal]

@median marsh right now I have a rtx 3090, a Ryzen 5600x, and 16 gb ram. Would you recommend downgrading to a rtx 3080 or 3080 ti to get a better processor, motherboard, and more ram?

[median marsh]

not really

more ram maybe

whats your bottleneck currently?

[dire portal]

I just thought you had to have a balance of gpu and CPU

I also don't need the power of the 3090. Not that advanced yet to use it

[median marsh]

the cpu isn't thaaaat bad

and your mainboard should be able to even work with 5950x?!

while i would rather suggest the 5900x because its cheaper

i would be most concerned about that 16GB of memory

[mighty cosmos]

If you do programming and compile often developing with a 5600x is gonna be a bit of a pain

[median marsh]

well depends on how much stuff you have to compile

but in general yea, mostly you notice more cores when doing c++ and on shader compile times

[dire portal]

Yeah, I'm doing c++ and unreal engine

I might just stick with my motherboard and go to a 5900x or 5950x then upgrade my ram to 64gb

Would you recommend going to ddr5 yet?

[median marsh]

that sounds more reasonable

not really necessary (imho)

[dire portal]

Alright

I will probably just get a 3080 ti to get me a bit of cash

Maybe a 3080

[median marsh]

i wouldnt sell the 3090

that sounds like you would just lose

[dire portal]

Alright

Is this motherboard fine?

[median marsh]

and it has 24gb vram if im not wrong

[dire portal]

It does

[median marsh]

yea, that will last a while

which mobo do you have currently?

[dire portal]

Alright, that is what I have

[median marsh]

thats your current mainboard?

[dire portal]

Yep

[mighty cosmos]

Might as well wait for the 7xxx CPUs

[median marsh]

yea no reason to upgrade that

i dont think its worth investing in newest mobo/cpu combo and trading the 3090 for it

[dire portal]

Okay. I will just worry about ram at the moment

[median marsh]

rather new cpu and more ram, and call it a day

[mighty cosmos]

They also seem to be much faster than 5xxx

[median marsh]

sure they are, but don't you use a 5950x? they are pretty fast....

and will still last a few years

i never thought "well a cpu which is 20% faster would be great"

[mighty cosmos]

I consider upgrading 😐
Well the stuff I replace doesn't go to waste, it goes into my 2nd pc

[median marsh]

yea but he thinks about downgrading to 3080 for a newer cpu

imho you have more from the 3090 than from a newer cpu

specially because it has tons of VRAM

[dire portal]

Alright

[median marsh]

and the mainboard you have is also pretty good

[mighty cosmos]

I wouldn't downgrade, would be better to just wait for new cpus and save up money till then

Thanks autocorrect

[dire portal]

Thank you for the help

[frail pagoda]

me too, selling them aint easy either, u have to lower the price smh

rtx 3080 ti only has 12 gb vram

then rtx 3090 24 gb vram which is plenty for ue stuff

[wet ore]

12gb vram is still very good for developing high quality visuals in unreal

[dire portal]

Can the 3060 run the city map?

[frail pagoda]

hey, i want to ask though

should i get a SATA SSD 2 TB or a two sticks of NVMe 1 TB

the nvme 2 TB is hella pricey

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B660M-G/Specification

i have 2 slots of nvme though, can i use like a raid technology for it?

[frail pagoda]

i have raid 0 so

planning to trade rtx 3070 with rtx 2080 ti, and spend the extra cash left for 2 tb nvme ssd / 1 x 2 tb nvme

i'd not to switch a newer vga in 2-3 years, rtx 2080 ti would last longer with 11 GB vram and more tmus

the performance between rtx 3070 and rtx 2080 ti is only 2~5%

but for editing stuff or mapping ue things, it'd be far away.

i'd guess.

[median marsh]

pick 1x 2TB

and dont do raid, they are fast enough on their own

i have 2x1TB and i need more, so i already need to put one in an adapter card, because all slots of my mainboard are used -.-

[frail pagoda]

why would you need more?

[median marsh]

is that your current mainboard? or are you planning to buy it?

[frail pagoda]

My current one

[median marsh]

unreal with assets takes alone an entire 1TB SSD (but i have an engine source build, which is larger than the the standalone from the Epic Launcher)

[frail pagoda]

😅 👆

Is it ue5?

[median marsh]

yes

[frail pagoda]

Ah i see

Yea probably with much assets

Rtx 2080 ti is better

Its better for rendering and editing thingy

More tmus

[median marsh]

see, your board doesnt even have an pci ex x4 slot, so you should really go for the 2TB m2 ssd

so you have one spare m2 slot for the future

[frail pagoda]

Yeah but the theyre expensive for me though

Im hoping someone to sell their rtx 2080 ti for $550

[median marsh]

they cost pretty much the same here as 2x 1TB

[frail pagoda]

Yeah, its around 3.75 million rupiah for me though

[median marsh]

how much is 1TB?

[frail pagoda]

I was going to pick ADATA SX6000 Pro

Its around 1.5 million rupiah

[median marsh]

here the 2TB version costs around 75% more than the 1TB version

so even cheaper than 2x 1TB

[frail pagoda]

Dang, here the 2 tb version is 10~20% more

[median marsh]

but that SSD isn't even really good

looking at the stats....

it's better than S-ATA but still kind of slow for an M2

[frail pagoda]

There is no faster ssd than that for that price

[median marsh]

how much would a samsung be?

[frail pagoda]

Hold on lemme cek

[median marsh]

with those prices you may also want to check if importing your own wouldn't be an option

[median marsh]

but depends on your countries tolls

those are all 1TB

[frail pagoda]

Yea hold on

Well with 2x1 tb stick it'd cost 3.05 million rupiah

For adata sx6000 pro

[median marsh]

3.05

[frail pagoda]

I mean 3.05

Typo

And yeah im selling my rtx 3070 for 11.4 million rupiah

And get rtx 2080 ti instead

[median marsh]

https://a2zlaptop.com/id/features/2tb-ssd-168

idk if that shop is reliable

but they have some 2TB around 3 million

ok this seems like a price check site, and theres no offers listed -.-

sry

https://cf.shopee.co.id/file/9ce0c803a2aa9a6882cc324817c349c0 dafuq is this? 😄

[frail pagoda]

Umm?

The speed is literally

Slower than them

Like 4-6x slower

[median marsh]

https://shopee.co.id/PNY-SSD-NVME-2TB-CS2140-PCIE-Gen-4x4-3x4-M.2-2280-HIGH-SPEED-i.198264737.16031313679?sp_atk=8e435651-dc22-467b-aa5e-3be63005db6d&xptdk=8e435651-dc22-467b-aa5e-3be63005db6d not sure how good the pny stuff is tho

[frail pagoda]

Tbw: 500 gb?

[median marsh]

probably 200TB for the 500gb model

400TB for the 1TB model

that website really serves the cliches of your country 😄

[frail pagoda]

Yea, there is another one though

To buy hardware components i usually go to tokopedia

[frail pagoda]

There is no review on there yet, not sure about that

[median marsh]

yea better dont try then

stick to the dealer which you have good experience with

[deft jay]

Hi guys, is that a good Pc for ue5 (I won't use it for some ultra realistic games projects)
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/yWC6Bj
Btw, I already have a SSD.

Haha I spent the last 2 days only watching some hardware videos on youtube so I hope it's a fine build
My current PC is a 8 years old low budget (i3-4330 & GTX 750 ti) so it would be like 30 times better I believe.

[median marsh]

which SSD? Oo

[deft jay]

I have a 512gb currently but will add a 1tb soon

[median marsh]

btw. silentium pc grandis 3 is a cheaper alternative for the bequiet dark rock (but you might have to "order" the lga1700 kit from them, which will cost you shipping)

and i think i have the same memory, which didn't run out of the box with 3600MHz

so you may have to fiddle around with bios settings to get it work properly

mine runs with 2666MHz currently -.-

and for the case i would go with be quiet! Pure Base 500DX 😛

should have a similar good airflow

and the PSU might be overkill for a 3060

700W should be enough for that system

but that's all nutpicking, overall a good system

225W the 3060 under peak load, the i7 idk, probably still both <400W peak

and you don't have peak load all the time

even 700W is generous

where does it show the PSU usage?

also this is Peak, not idle, not working

usually you don't even have peak on both cpu and gpu

ah, thx

well yea it's peak load, so even a 600W power supply should be sufficient

700W is a safe choice

for that system i would probably go for 650W - 700W then

the 50% thing is nonsens 😄

where do you have 100% cpu + gpu load?

which vendor puts that in his datasheet?

i want to see it 😄

i think they rather suggest to at least utilize it with 50%

because switching power supplies tend to be inefficient at low load and it can happen that they even wont turn on apparently a thing from the past

but looking at the efficiency curve of modern PSUs, even those are pretty efficient at low load

850W is total overkill

https://eu.mouser.com/applications/power-density-vs-efficiency/

here's a nice table of what the standards are asking for

[fallen oasis]

I have a 750w with a TR and a 3080 ti and a 6800 xt, never had any issues.

[median marsh]

so the modern PSUs are really good compared to like 10-15 years ago

[wet ore]

I would spring the extra 20 for a noctua dh-15

[median marsh]

they look like shit, tho 😄

literary

[wet ore]

Also if your using WiFi, unless your really close to the box, make sure that mobo comes with the wireless antenna adapter, makes leagues of difference

Hahaha to each their own, I'd rather have something proven for even the latest i9 vs something that looks good

[median marsh]

the antenna is included

[deft jay]

No problem with the wifi, I'm using only ethernet cable

[median marsh]

but as said, changing a few parts would save you ~100€

[median marsh]

i would also take something proven, and the dark rock pro and grandis 3 proved themself on similar cpu's

[frail pagoda]

Asus B660M Steel Legend or MSI B660M PRO-G

[fallen bough]

What do you guys think about this RAM: https://www.amazon.com.tr/Kingston-FURY-Beast-32-KF432C16BB/dp/B097K3STJG?th=1

[median marsh]

it's good, but you should always use a set of two

[fallen bough]

They are more expensive

I'm planning to use 32x1 or 32 + 8 as 40

[median marsh]

you waste a lot of performance when not running dual channel

[high glade]

personally I would suggest not doing that, especially if they're running at different speeds

[fallen bough]

Would it be worse than a 2x8 dual combo?

That's what I have currently and barely able to run Resharper

[high glade]

do you know what ram you currently have?

[median marsh]

mixing different memory is most of the time a pita

[high glade]

tbf , in my old PC i had 2 x 4gb sticks running at 2133MHz and 2 x 4gb sticks running at 2400MHz

and it worked fine , all it did was downclock the 2400 sticks to 2133

[orchid shore]

hey guys, you think it is ok to use an external hdd with usb3.0 to put und pull the quixel assets from or would it be pain to work like this cause bandwidth?

not sure if i can install more Drives into my PC - and was weighing my options 🙂

[median marsh]

the bandwidth of USB is less the problem than the transfer speed/access time of the HDD

and idk how much CPU load usb adds

[orchid shore]

so if I can choose - is should go for the internal i understand

[median marsh]

indeed

[orchid shore]

thank you!

[median marsh]

there are also drive bays if you need to be portable

[orchid shore]

ah right

but thats not necessary

or anything 😄

[median marsh]

also there are pci express adapter cards for M2 PciEx SSDs

so if you dont have a slot on your mobo free, but an pci express with at least x4, it's an option too

[orchid shore]

good hints!

[median marsh]

yea but who would by sata when you can have 5x the speed 😄

for almost the same price

it does

[orchid shore]

i dont have a high end mobo - i got a m2 ssd already in there - a rtx 2080 also - i think i had a bandwith limit at some point with my board regarding PCIE

but i could be wrong

[median marsh]

yea you could be out of lanes

[orchid shore]

jeah! lanes was the issue

[median marsh]

depending on cpu/chipset

the 2080 might probably run fine with 8 lanes if it's pci ex 4.0

[orchid shore]

puh now you got me

[median marsh]

with 3.0 not so much

yea, that topic is really exhausting to read up 😄

[orchid shore]

cant remember all the details

[median marsh]

which cpu / mainboard is it?

[orchid shore]

hey but to not further stress your time - i shall go with an internal ssd right?

[median marsh]

if you can go with an internal, yes

[orchid shore]

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

[median marsh]

UNLESS, you go sata anyways AND you have an esata port on your mobo

then you get the same speed with an external one, if you connect it with esata

that ryzen supports pci ex 4.0

but then again, the mainboard is also important to know

and how the pci ex slots are connected

some boards have some slots which are connected to the chipset rather than the cpu

[orchid shore]

Motherboard Name
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING

[median marsh]

iirc B550 only has pci ex 3.0 link to the cpu 😭

it's not about the SSD

[orchid shore]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-jesse-pinkman-aaron-paul-thirsty-drinking-water-gif-17731695

[median marsh]

it's about the lanes

[orchid shore]

i use one atm

regarding this lane topic - can i use two?

[median marsh]

yea most likely

[orchid shore]

or would one bottleneck?

[median marsh]

doubt

not on this mobo

https://www.gamersnexus.net/media/k2/items/cache/aac68d5be57c1b8af5efed09e2ce8bc2_XL.jpg

[orchid shore]

oh nice - then i go with a M2 then?

understood 🙂

[median marsh]

would be the best option, yea

[orchid shore]

got ya!

m2 nvmw - i thank you both so much - i really appreciate you

thanks!

i see 🙂

[median marsh]

just get an nvme/pciex one

dont buy sata

DONT BUY SATA

it's 2022 😛

[orchid shore]

😄

[median marsh]

you have top mainboard / cpu, so don't bother with hardware from 2012

[orchid shore]

jeah - i dont want to sound like richy rich but experince shows
buy cheap and you buy twice so i like to go for quality in the first place

[median marsh]

indeed, not always but most of the time

[orchid shore]

now i can go shopping with confidence

thanks to you guys

again - i appreciate it so much

[median marsh]

as long as you dont buy the SSD that i posted a few days ago 😄

[orchid shore]

this domain always takes so much research - you just saved me

[median marsh]

^^

[orchid shore]

this or seagate?

[median marsh]

i would go for the samsung

got two 970 evos, which are doing good 🙂

seagate has good support in my experience

at least when it comes to RMA defect drives

ok, can't share that experience

did RMA like 3 or 4 drives, and hadn't any trouble

[orchid shore]

Samsung 970 EVO vs 980 - will I as a hobbyist even recognize a difference in their performance?

[median marsh]

not really

[orchid shore]

well then i got with the 970

[median marsh]

go with the cheaper of both

[orchid shore]

its 60€ less here in GER

ordered!

wow - that problem is solved then

[mighty cosmos]

Have 4 Samsung ssds and all work great still, the oldest one I bought 4 or 5 years ago

[rain ermine]

yo

[north forge]

yo

[frail pagoda]

Hey, should i use nvme 1 tb as a boot disk

I have 1 tb hdd as the second drive

And a sata ssd 240 gb for the boot disk

Is it better to replace the sata with nvme as the boot one?

Or i should just use the nvme for UE

[fallen oasis]

It's going to make very little difference which drive you boot off.

[frail pagoda]

Well, i will use around 120 gb for the os so

If i made it a second drive, i'll have more free space

[high glade]

I bought a 2 tb 970 evo plus and files corrupt after a while of the pc being on and the only way to fix it is by restarting my pc

its very funky

[median marsh]

have you tried another m2 slot?

😄.

[high glade]

i have not, although I am using the one it tells to me to use in the motherboards manual

[median marsh]

do you have another disk in the system?

[high glade]

I have
1 256gb SSD
1tb HDD
1tb external HDD

and the 2tb m.2

[median marsh]

i would run some stress test, on one of the other disks, to get sure that it's related to the SSD and not something else

then if you are sure that its somehow the SSD, i would put it in another slot and try again

if it still makes trouble RMA it

and make backups ASAP before anything else

and dont run any productive stuff on it, if it corrupts files

[high glade]

oki doki, ty

I dont have anything stored on it currently.

[median marsh]

also you can check if the SMART report has anything useful in it

[high glade]

it taunts me every time I look at FE

[median marsh]

https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskinfo/crystaldiskinfo-smart-information/

[high glade]

tysm

[stone gyro]

quick question, I am an artist and haven't upgraded my rig in 9 years (I'm surprised it still runs), and will start putting a new one together soon, but I have a question, in particular to artists. is there a noticeable difference in UE4/5 performance between AMD, Intel and Nvidia Cards and CPUs of the same bracket (low to mid)?

[storm plank]

Yes but not very much difference in performance. You should go with amd processor and nvidia graphics card

[frail pagoda]

intel i7 gen 12 is cheaper and better than amd ryzen 9 5900x fyi

[uncut pasture]

you're comparing a range of processors from '22 to a single processor from '20 without any clarification on what you mean by "better", not a very compelling statement

[frail pagoda]

Well you can check it out on the internet, on most benchmarks i7 gen 12 is 5~8% better

[uncut pasture]

what processor specifically? what workload? like what are your criterion(s) for being "better"? less power consumption, being faster in an artificial test, per core frequency, age, cache size? you should see that such an assertive statement requires some explanation, there are two dozen i7 gen 12 on the market right now, you cannot cherry pick certain aspects from a range of processors and put them against a very specific processor

[median marsh]

theres not many i7 12th gen

and at least here they cost as much as an 5900x

but the i7 for sure is more future proof when considering an upgrade any time soon

if you want to upgrade for the next 5 or more years, it really doesn't matter that much which you pick

[uncut pasture]

23 if i can still count

[opaque pond]

is an RX 6600 ok for UE5 dev?

[west quail]

Are these 2 cords good enough for SSD?

I couldn't really hold them with a good view they were too far apart

So I'm good?

k thx

I think it's 450 or 550