hardware

[devout pendant]

[flint wave]

i have my new amd installed

[median marsh]

what i5 did you have before? and how's the difference for UE?

i regret every day i have to work with my 12years old i7... -.-

[flint wave]

just made a testcompile (c++) right now but around 18 sec

amd 5900x

its so great, i mean before it was insane long

i had an i5 6500k before

now i will upgrade ram next

not sure that will improve c++ perf

[median marsh]

even your i5 was better than my i7 😄

[mighty cosmos]

RAM speed does matter for AMD , 3200 MHz is I would say the sweet spot
And at least 32GB for your CPU, each thread uses around 1.5 GB when compiling the engine

[median marsh]

so you would say that the upgrade was worth it?

also, what chipset has your mobo, actually on my "wishlist" i have an x570, but im not quite sure if it's the best choice

[crimson tide]

My stock cooler is 50c

Ryzen 5 3600

It usually hovers around 55

[shrewd shard]

I'm running a 130W CPU so

Apples and oranges

Mine hovers at 45 otherwise

[mighty cosmos]

meanwhile casually acting as a room heater at 77C

[shrewd shard]

I mean, I was at those temps when I didn't have a fan

The heatsink was hot

I was surprised thing didn't immediately die when I ran a stress test to see its limits on passive

[mighty cosmos]

5950x has weird temps, I have a 360 AIO for it
At idle it's at 45C
At max load (all cores) it's at 68C
At max load (single core) is 77C - I guess turbo boost thing plays are role here
And some very short random spikes to 82C

[shrewd shard]

My guess is you're looking at Tjmax

AKA the hottest point in the die

And it makes sense since single core boost puts that core at like 1.45V usually

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah
Also noticed CCD 1 is around 10C hotter on average but it makes sense since the cores that reach the higher frequencies are in it

[crimson tide]

Ohhhh

[crimson tide]

16 physical cores

[flint wave]

the upgrade is gold! b550 is enough...

unless you want 2x m.2

[median marsh]

yea that's what i want

[flint wave]

i mean now i can work normal in c++, that rocks

[median marsh]

i spent half of today to wait for LOD generation, guess that would also greatly benefit from more and faster cores -.-

[flint wave]

why dont you upgrade?

[median marsh]

because it's 1000 bucks where im not sure if its worth it

[flint wave]

what again are you using now?

[mighty cosmos]

Ryzen master shows 8C lower temps than HWInfo or CoreTemp 🤔

[median marsh]

i7-3820 😄

[flint wave]

totally worth it

[median marsh]

the i7 is still pretty good, even if it's old, guess i would mostly benefit from more cores of the 5900x

[flint wave]

are you doing bp only or c++ as well?

[median marsh]

both kinda, while the main focus is BP actually, later i'll probably move stuff over to C++

but still waiting for rider for unreal on linux 😄

as not having a good integrated IDE is actually the main reason that i don't do much c++

also, mostly the i7 is fine, it's just those damn tasks like LOD building, light build, engine compile, ... where i ask to myself: WHY?

which cooler?

[flint wave]

between 68-80

fuma2

good one

[median marsh]

hmm. looks similar to my current favorite (SilentiumPC Grandis 3)

[flint wave]

but forget it

my case is not ready

cant say any temp

anyway im super tired

@median marsh tell me if you did the upgrade

[median marsh]

will do, good night

[flint wave]

nite all

[wet ore]

So you can follow best buys twitter to see when they are doing events for selling rtx 3xxx, and get there early and hope to be one of the first and get a ticket. What other stores in the US are doing this?

[wispy flare]

nah you just have AIO

on Threadripper with WC I never go above 55

[mighty cosmos]

Custom water cooling is probably one of those things I'll never consider doing, seems like way too much effort and complications than what it gives in return

So I'll have to live with AIOs 😅

[wet ore]

(and AIOs have warranty)

[mighty cosmos]

But custom water loops do look real nice, a small part of me is considering it just because of that 😐

[novel briar]

You like the led lights, admit 🙂

[unborn pike]

pretty normal temps

the single core boost is pretty extreme on it

my 5950X goes to 88 or so at max

I think in prime95 I managed to get it over 90 C

[unborn pike]

RIP HDD tray, GPU doesn't fit in with it

[glossy canyon]

Hey, unreal engine takes around 20 min to load... Any solutions?
(It also heats my laptop)

[flint wave]

@mighty cosmos perf with the new amd is amazing

finally i can code c++ for real 😛

[novel briar]

What's this small box? Also, lol, maybe you need to merge them hdds at some point.

[unborn pike]

it's not small, normal ATX

I guess I could remove some drives 🤔

[novel briar]

Iunno, used to towers, I have space under the desk.

Aaand, yeah, you can definitely replace most of these with just one, bigger 🙂

Never understood the need for more than 2 drives and however are needed for external/backups.

[unborn pike]

the two small 139 GB ones are from 2007 or so

I don't replace stuff, I just buy more 😛

[past remnant]

I salvaged HDD's from PC's I didn't pay for

https://www.amazon.com/Blue-500GB-Desktop-Hard-Drive/dp/B00461G3MS/
https://www.amazon.com/80GB-Hitachi-HTS541680J9SA00-5400RPM-Notebook/dp/B000NUVKMY

moving a file

[mighty cosmos]

Oh good to know, yeah I wasn't sure what temps I should expect to be getting

[mighty cosmos]

Nice 👌
Well I told you the difference would be massive 😎

[median marsh]

wonder if the 200€ more are worth it for the 5950x

[flint wave]

if you have the money buy the 5950x

[flint wave]

and buy a good cpu cooler, fuma2 or noctia

[unborn pike]

noctua dh15 orwhateveritis works great with it

I have forced the fan to never speed up past 40% of max speed or so

and the CPU is fine in stress tests

the cooler has such a big thermal mass that fan speed doesn't matter anymore

[flint wave]

noctua is the best, but if his budget is not that high, fuma2 is great too

[novel briar]

I was considering lower too, but decided to get at least some audible clue when the CPU is on heat.

[unborn pike]

yea I think my curve is more of an exponential curve rather than just capped at 40% if I recall correctly

it shoots to 100% around 90C

but at 80 C it's still below 50%

...I think, can't be bothered to check bios 😄

[median marsh]

well, i just wonder if the extra bucks are worth it for unreal, only thing i can think of is lightmap baking and source compile which both happen not that frequently for me (idk how often im gonna bake lightmaps later tho)

compiling tons of shaders also only happens after engine upgrade or asset import

[frigid heath]

small changesto material happen snappy

you think in big w8 times, but snappy small stuff is more important if you ask me, you can allways grab a drink on the big stuff

[wispy flare]

Well it's not that much work

I put mine toather in like 3h ?

which included testing for leaks (;

but then i went with EPDM tubes instead of hard pvc

[flint wave]

the 5900x works fine, i have amazing c++ compile times now, if you want to save some money, just go with this cpu

[median marsh]

yea, guess i'll do. What mainboard do you use?

[velvet locust]

AMD Radeon RX6700 XT vs RTX 3070, which do you think would be better? one has more VRAM, the other more computing power?
I asked this question already in UE5 channel, my colleague needs a new GPU for development and QA stuff. What do you think?

[scarlet solar]

aw se?

[flint wave]

aorus pro v2 b550 its great

[unborn pike]

lol, I've been going through my old HDD drives that date to 2006 or so

and most of them are filled with copies of windows folder

and users

I must've just copied stuff from C: drive to somewhere as a backup when I've reinstalled windows or something

[grand thorn]

Try CPUID PowerMax for a thermal stress test, I used that when building my fanless PC to make sure it's stable under sustained loads

[unborn pike]

sweet

I actually went and bought a new PSU because my old one didn't have enough 8-pin cables..

😄

it also has an extra 100 watts (850 W) compared to old one

also: 5G internet fucking sucks ass

there's mast like 200 meters away from me

I have an antenna that's on the outer wall of the building

I pay for 1 Gbps line and I get like 300 Mbps

at best

right now I'm downloading UE 5 EA at 15 MB/s

[unborn pike]

....yeaaahh I'm going to need watercooling

my poor ol ATX case turns into a sauna

[mighty cosmos]

Actually soft tubing doesn't sound half bad, doesn't look as nearly as painful to work with as hard tubing.
If I decided to do custom water cooling would probably go with clear soft tubing.

But man would I be paranoid with leaks lol
I would spend more time staring at the tubes than actually using the pc...

[rocky granite]

Time to build a monster

[median marsh]

neat, which threadripper is it?

[wispy flare]

Well it's hobby after all :D, but.. if you are paranoid I would stay away from hard tubing or clear pvc

and what I did use EPDM or other industrial standard tubes, these resistant to extreme temperature chanes, chemicals, and have high mechanical resistance, not to mention, you will have far less problem with degradation as pvc with cooling liquid simply degrade into micro plastics

in two years i had zero leaks

changed three gpus

and still had zero leaks

it's really not hard or bad, unless you really bad at assembling from premade parts 😄

[unborn pike]

if I had to choose I'd pick some shiny metal piping

no idea what, brass?

copper turns green unless it's coated(?)

[wispy flare]

if you want metal

it's needs to be copper

coated with nickel

you really shouldn't mix different metals, and most wc is copper based

[unborn pike]

why

why not brass?

[devout pendant]

copper and brass are fine, you can even mix them without problems

its when you mix them with aluminium the problems start

[errant nimbus]

Hello I am aspiring to become an Unreal Engine programmer(multiplayer preferably or gameplay but not graphics). I currently don't have the money to buy the best cpu and gpu. However, I think I should buy the latest generation cpu but can do some compromise on gpu. Do you think is a good thought(cpu is more important than gpu for programmers)?

My budget is 1100usd. I currently use a laptop and aim to build a pc soon to smoothly run the ue4. I aim to buy 32gb ddr4, 1tb sdd, i5 11500 and other components with an older gpu.

around 200usd

[whole night]

https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.26/en-US/Basics/RecommendedSpecifications/
Recommended Hardware

Operating System
Windows 10 64-bit

Processor
Quad-core Intel or AMD, 2.5 GHz or faster

Memory
8 GB RAM

Video Card/DirectX Version
DirectX 11 or DirectX 12 compatible graphics card

[cursive raven]

I'm pretty sure that the Recommended Hardware is pretty out of date.

Actually, it's really out of date.

@errant nimbus I would just do 16GB of RAM

[rugged wedge]

can anyone recommend a 2TB m2 nvme for around $200, as a data drive? would be nice to have 3gb/s read not just on paper

[novel briar]

Only $200? Open your pockets a bit more.

[pale thorn]

At that price point you are looking at like a gtx 1030 which isn't exactly a great card. It's a shame you're buying it at the worst time rn gpu prices are ridiculous atm

[stone prairie]

Hey Guys, Please i have an issue where my unreal just seems to crash almost immediately i open it

This is the error

[desert tide]

Try to do a clean install for your gpu drivers, after 4 months of constantly crashing to the point I almost went to learn unity it fixed the crashing for me.. Also create a project with raytracing setting off, idk why but it also causes crashes.

[slate blade]

Has anyone encountered cmos keep resetting after updating the bios? I had to update my x570 to accept Ryzen 5000, but now every time I turn on the PC it says that the cmos was cleared and asks me to set up Bios for the first time

Note: The computer turns on and boots fine

(please @ me )

[novel briar]

*rolls eyes* These x570 are pita, you are not the first one with problems. Try with another BIOS update, rollback and see whether the issue continues @slate blade

[slate blade]

I tried the latest "stable" bios update from my motherboard vendor & model

Will give it a go

[novel briar]

My few stable bioses occasionally breaks the waking up of the PC and they needs to be reset.

Talking about x570 too btw

[slate blade]

I think I'm going to have to rma the 5950x

2 blue screens within 30 mins

[novel briar]

Someone recently had issues with his one. Some cache issues, so - yeah.

[slate blade]

no OC, XMP disabled. Noctua NH15, staying around 50-60C, 1000W PSU, so it's not overheating/power draw related

[mighty cosmos]

I did but mine was pretty much dead on arrival
After RMA they told me cache somehow got fried
New one works perfectly

[mighty cosmos]

Are you 100% sure it's the CPU
Did you try to debug the crash dumps?

[slate blade]

Haven't done so, the 2 of them went through the blue screen faster than I could save it.

If it's not the cpu, What else could it be? the Motherboard? Maybe the bios that I downloaded?

As a bit of info... Both times, it crashed while on Discord/Skype Calls. Other than that, I've been able to work on IDE/UE4 with no noticeable issues (Though both of those softwares were open when the calls were taking palce)

[mighty cosmos]

I had constant blue screens after getting the new 5950x but it turned out to be a driver/software issue. After debugging the crash dumps it was the Wise System monitor thing I had on my pc for ages, it worked fine with the i9 but on the amd it was constantly crashing

Removed it and it has been fine since then

[slate blade]

Interesting
These are the logs that I got around the time of the crash

in order
A timeout was reached (45000 milliseconds) while waiting for the asComSvc service to connect.

Faulting application name: atkexComSvc.exe, version: 1.0.0.1, time stamp: 0x5cac59e5... Faulting application path: C:\Program Files (x86)\ASUS\AXSP\4.00.38\atkexComSvc.exe

The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was: 0x00000124 (0x0000000000000000, 0xffffd90a54102028, 0x00000000bc000800, 0x0000000001010135). A dump was saved in: C:\WINDOWS\MEMORY.DMP. Report Id: 29277681-57d2-452c-bf8c-55917d242848.

Audit events have been dropped by the transport. 0

I'll take a look at those beforehand

[slate blade]

Just got a whea uncorrectable error blue screen

So it's prooobably the cpu (troubleshooting)

[slate blade]

Won't boot up with the new cpu at all, but boots up just fine with the 3700x

[mighty cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/moment-of-silence-pay-respect-rip-rest-in-peace-bow-gif-15963301

Well that sucks...

For how long did you have it?

[slate blade]

On my pc? <24 hrs

[median marsh]

you guys make me nervous 😄

ordered one, too 😕

[silver nexus]

I'm building a new computer with unreal in mind. I'm debating between a gen 3 or gen 4 m.2 ssd. The gen 3 seem to be considerably cheaper, but the gen 4 + motherboard with gen 4 support claim to have faster write. I'm thinking about compilation. Anyone with experience with gen 3 and 4 can say if there is any noticeable difference worth the extra money for the gen 4 m.2?

[median marsh]

you wont notice any difference

[unborn pike]

there are gens for them?

oh wait, PCI-E gen?

I don't think you should be looking at the pci-e connector gen

instead look at the sequential and random read and write numbers

and IOPS

[slate blade]

gen3 @ 3000mb/s or higher is more than enough

[unborn pike]

personally I got a samsung 980 pro 1 TB

it has 7000/5000 MB/s read/write

1 TB drive is around 220 euros here

[slate blade]

that's a gen4, isn't it?

[unborn pike]

I think it is

[slate blade]

I have 2 XPG SX8200 Pro (gen3). 1x1 TB and 1x2 TB

3000 write and 3500 read

unreal won't saturate that anyways

[unborn pike]

I wanted to future proof myself for the moment windows gets that direct IO between GPUs and SSD

...or is it a thing already? I forgot the name of the tech

[slate blade]

it's not coming for quite a while tho

[unborn pike]

sure, but I tend to keep my drives around for years

I mean, my oldest HDDs were 15 years old

10k RPM barracudas 😄

[faint folio]

Hi, I have to buy a new desktop pc to use the unreal engine a lot. I have a budget of about 3000 $. Could you give me some advice?

[frigid heath]

nice chair

[unborn pike]

5950X and 32 GB ram and at least 1 TB m2 ssd

your budget will get fucked by the ridiculous GPU prices though

[novel briar]

50% of the price goes to the GPU, hehe

However, you don't need something crazy to use UE, except if you are targeting an AAAAAA quaity, which is likely not a smart idea.

[faint folio]

thx

Thanks for the tips @novel briar @unborn pike

[stray python]

Hi guys, my office PC needs a graphic card update and I wanted to ask for advice regarding nvidia / amd. I’ve done a little research and it seems that during its development, UE was optimised for Nvidia but lately it has opened up a bit more for AMD. With the craziness this past year about nvidia cards it’s quite expensive and hard to buy one so I was considering AMD.

Any advice?

PS: the designated task for the pc is 3D modelling, heavy rendering, video edition and rendering and such, currently most of the work is done in 3dmax but the goal is to move on to UE.

[stray python]

What is dxr?

[novel briar]

Dynamic XML Runtime? 🤔

[stray python]

So it’s not a must to go for nvidia unless specific circumstances?

[novel briar]

The Cat told you, check you need a proprietary nvidia tech. If not, consider taking something modern enough which supports dxr/raytracing

... if you want to benefit of these.

[stray python]

But dxr is unique to envidia cards or amd works as well?

Because from what I understand from your message, it seems like both cards could run raytracing?

[novel briar]

Go read a bit. Both, AMD and NVidia, support raytracing. DXR is Microsoft tech.

[minor veldt]

DXR (Direct X Raytracing) is the part of Direct X that let applications talk to raytracing hardware in a hardware vendor agnostic way. Nvidia call their raytracing hardware/technology RTX. Not sure if AMD (or Intel for that matter) has a name for theirs.

[stray python]

Got it, thank you

[stray python]

okay thx, ill look up whatever that is, im such a noob

[devout cove]

Hello I learnt unity and i wanna try unreal , I've 6Gb ram , i5 , and 730 GT Nvidia , can I run unreal engine 5 and ty

[median marsh]

not really, epic recommends at least 8gb memory

[devout cove]

8 gb memory is same speed as 6gb

[mighty cosmos]

It's not speed that matters here, it's the amount

You'll run into issues with 6gb very quickly

Also 730GT is very questionable too

[sudden schooner]

Heey anyone got a 3060 12GB ?
I just received mine and According to my software I'm far from having 12GB xD

Drivers are updated Pc restarted Twice

[devout cove]

Ooh 😢 So i guess i need to upgrade my PC first

[devout cove]

I can upgrade the ram but I can't upgrade the graphics now so can that help ? @mighty cosmos srry for pinging just wanna know

[sudden schooner]

seems like my software was saying some bullshit about memory, thats weird

[devout cove]

ofc I can't build a large game on my PC that's gonna be a studio hehe but yea a lot of people told me if u wanna use unreal , then download UE4 instead of 5 is that true ?

since 5 has Lumen and Nanite and that will nuke my PC

and graphics

Or i just stick with Unity until i get better PC, it's not bad

oh sorry hehe

[soft plume]

top 10 cursed images 2021

[frank glade]

I would use 75% of those

[frigid heath]

could fill half of em just with xbox controllers

[median marsh]

that's indeed weird

did you figure it out by now?

[sudden schooner]

nope the sofware still says 4GB but the GC goes to 12Gb ingame with AfterBurner

[median marsh]

which software is that?

maybe try something like gpu-z

[sudden schooner]

software is Speecy

i dunno seems to work well ingame anyway if after burner got the memory then its there they havent forget the component xD

[astral musk]

there appears to be a long running bug in Speccy that GPUs come up at 4GB. Even my 3090 only shows 4GB. quick google search shows threads on their own forums dating back to 2016 with the issue. I'd say dump it and use something else

[wet ore]

be careful with hwinfo, I used it for years, then I got a corsair AIO cpu cooler, for some reason hwinfo will disconnect certain PC parts that interface with your mobo via a usb header

[elder cipher]

I’ve used about 12 on my workstation.

[dusty glacier]

is 32gb ram more important than upgrade from 5900x on 5950x?

[median marsh]

how much ram do you have now?

[dusty glacier]

right now 16, but ddr3 and I am buying new pc

[median marsh]

yea i would rate 32gb more important than 4 more cores

[dusty glacier]

will I ever need 64gb of ram?

[median marsh]

depending on your project you should even consider 64gb total

[dusty glacier]

idk if I should go 4 x 8 or just 2 x 16

[median marsh]

depends on your project

[dusty glacier]

wdym?

[median marsh]

it depends on what you are doing

[dusty glacier]

that project, I see

[median marsh]

currently i only use 10gb while working on an almost empty map, on the other hand when i bake light on my small city map it takes up >70gb RAM

[dusty glacier]

and if I've got your attention, do you know some stuff about pc cases? I need a pc case with good airflow and support for 360mm aio

[median marsh]

why AIO?

[dusty glacier]

I dont really like air cooling

[median marsh]

you can cool the 5900x fine with air and silent

[dusty glacier]

it is way too big and it is hard to unplug ram etc

[median marsh]

how often do you unplug ram? 😄

[dusty glacier]

and I will overclock it in the future

[median marsh]

with my air cooler i have to loose 2 brackets to loose the front fan if i need to get onto the last ram slot

i would safe the money for the AIO and invest in more ram 😄

[dusty glacier]

why not AIO and ram? 😛

[median marsh]

because AIO is totally unnecessary

[dusty glacier]

even if I will overclock it?

[median marsh]

probably yea

[dusty glacier]

tbh it isn't much more expensive then air cooling

[median marsh]

it is

my cooler was $50

[dusty glacier]

around 50 euro

[median marsh]

what costs an reliable 360mm AIO?

[dusty glacier]

for 80 euro you have Arctic Liquid Freezer II

very good air cooling

water*

[median marsh]

ok, if it's good

[dusty glacier]

one of the best iirc and it is kinda cheap, because it has no rgb

but I need to suit that 360mm fans and idk in which case

I cant find a good one

[median marsh]

yea, most fit it only in the front, which is kinda stupid

to blow the warm air through the case

would at least look for a case which has space in the top to mount it

[dusty glacier]

yeah, for me it must be on top

[median marsh]

and then you might run into the same trouble with ram slots as it might overlap the mainboard

but still, it's totally unnecessary, as said you can reach ram slots easy with usual air cooling (yea might depend on the cooler, but still)

and classic air cooling is more fail proof, as it has less moving parts

[dusty glacier]

I totally agree, but I've always wanted it, it has more cooling potential, looks just better and isn't much more expensive, that 30 euro isn't a big deal for me now

[median marsh]

ok, i checked, i cant access 3/4 ram slots with mounted cooler 😄

anyways, one more reason to invest in memory so you can stick it in and forget

i doubt that those AIOs have higher cooling potential

[dusty glacier]

water always has better potential than air

[median marsh]

yea if you have enough volume and pump it at a reasonable rate

but those AIOs have like a liter of water in them 😄

maybe 2

[dusty glacier]

that's also true

so I understand you dont have any cases to recommend?

[median marsh]

not really, you could look at the bequiet ones, they have some with really good air flow

specially if you don't need an optical drive, so you can pick one which just has space to mount fans in the front

[dusty glacier]

I was looking at 500dx, but it is kinda too small for RTX 3080Ti I think

[median marsh]

i considered that, too. but iirc it doesn't have space for 360 AIO on top

went with the normal pure base 500, because im not a fan of windows

[dusty glacier]

I was also considering Lian Li O11, but if it doesnt have rgb inside I will look poor

[median marsh]

yea, probably 😄

[dusty glacier]

also p500a is nice, but it isnt available for few good work days and I need pc asap

shiet, than I will look for something

thank you anyways

[median marsh]

lian li doesn't look like it would have good airflow

[dusty glacier]

people recommend it, but for me it also doesnt look like that

[median marsh]

unless you put 9 fans in it, like they do in their ads 😄

and at LEAST pick 2x16GB, better 2x32GB 😛

otherwise you may regret it later if you want to upgrade memory

[pallid portal]

I found a laptop with an i7 10710u and 1650 max q is it good enough?
I don't really wanna get a gaming laptop because I need it to be portable and have a decent battery life, and I do game dev as a hobby for now, I will mainly use it for school and other programming stuff.

[median marsh]

unless your project isn't targeting raytracing support

[flint wave]

hey lorash

[wary copper]

hey, I know this conversation usually goes the same way, but I haven't seen it in a while and due to the gpu shortage it is worth more of a consideration. I was at the store and I saw an RTX A4000 for less than a 3080. Is there any reason at all to get a pro card for unreal. Does Movie Render Queue take advantage of it and make higher quality renders, or much faster renders or something like that. Is there any significant advantage to using it in Maya, 3DS max, or Houdini? Does unreal have another advantage in using these cards that I haven't thought of. I wouldn't consider a pro card normally, but since the pricing isn't that different from a high end consumer card it has made me think about it.

[midnight condor]

I think there is some ndisplay functionality that only works on the pro cards, I remember hearing about it in the 4.27 release overview live stream but I can't remember the details

[frank glade]

@wary copper i dont think there is. A pro card is best for cad work, like solidworks,and it wont be as fast for real time due to drivers. Though I think some new amd pro cards have advertised viewport speed improvements in maya and UE

[wary copper]

it is hard to say. Opengl drivers for example are better for pro cards, and you can do a bunch of fast memory transfers and stuff like that

so if I was programming directly in opengl I might see a performance improvement

[vestal nacelle]

It looks like i might break even if i buy a W6600 and sell my GTX 1080. any thoughts?

[flint wave]

you think gpu prices will drop next months?

@vestal nacelle maybe wait til xmas

[vestal nacelle]

Not worried about price rn

[slate blade]

Finally got a refund process for the malfunctioning 5950x

the nice thing is that they accepted the refund for the motherboard as well

[median marsh]

what was wrong with it?

[unborn pike]

it was broken

😄

[median marsh]

well, someone here had issues relating to the internal cache, so i'm curious what else could make problems and how to detect those

[slate blade]

Idk exactly what was broken

just got uncontrollable_error bluescreen messages every now and then

tested with two motherboards

[ornate vector]

i have a 1080ti aero oc and 3900x ry9 for sale

if anybody is interested

[tight lagoon]

Wait, so my TITAN X that produces 40-50 fps with low to mid settings in most games could actually just be broken?

[vestal nacelle]

Anyone in the US notice this?

[elder cipher]

Get up really early or wait another year… 🤔

[median marsh]

wait another year! 😛

but why do they act like the cards been just released? The text implies that somehow

[elder cipher]

That was my plan! 😎

I got a factory-new 2080ti weeks before the 30s were announced, so it’s only about a year old.

[slate blade]

cuz all them launches have been paper 🧻

I got a 2060 when they were only 50-100$ more expensive than base msrp

[median marsh]

well if you got the spare money, try to get one if they sell them for MSRP, otherwise i would stick to the 2080, it's not a bad card

[slate blade]

hahahahahaha getting a video card at msrp in 2021

[median marsh]

the gtx1660 i bought like 2 years ago is now sold for $150 more than back then...

[elder cipher]

It was the year 2020, but I got my 2080ti from EVGA for MSRP

[wary copper]

There was a brief period early this year where the 3080 was $1000 less than it costs now at the store.

[novel briar]

I remember that at the end of the last year, thought, meh, gonna wait a bit more for better vendors & discounts. 2-3 months later, saw the trend and bought "whatever" one.

[mighty cosmos]

I'm waiting for 4x series and pretending there is gonna be any available

[novel briar]

That not soon?

[mighty cosmos]

The rumor is by the end of 2022 🤷‍♂️

[novel briar]

Ah, yeah, kinda forgot that 1 year passed 😅

I'm upgrading once in ~6 years so far, therefore... 5080 maybe for me 🤔

[mighty cosmos]

I don't really pay too much attention to the stuff that's coming out anymore

I upgrade when I feel like I need to
I'm on an rtx 2080S at the moment so I'm fine for another year or 2 probably

[whole night]

I bought a pc from cyberpower to get my 3070 and new pc for close to msrp of the parts

[magic bison]

[Moves the view by one pixel]
3DS Max Active Shade:

[slate blade]

prebuilts? yeah. DYI? arienai

[wary copper]

I did the same. I upgraded my rig, but decided I would wait a bit on the gpu and save up for a nice one. Now I have a 5950x and a gtx 670

and I can't get a better one

[wary copper]

Here, availability isn't that much of an issue. The issue is stores charge an extra 2/3 on the price, and they were already way more expensive than most places to begin with. It is actually cheaper for me to buy a gpu from a scalper in america, and ship it to nz, than it is for me to buy one in the store here.

[median marsh]

yea had to pay almost 2x MSRP for my RTX3060 ;_;

but i really needed more VRAM to work on my stuff

[mighty cosmos]

checks the prices here....

[median marsh]

on the other hand, it got even more expensive since launch

[mighty cosmos]

tries to find 1 that's available....

[wary copper]

lets do a price comparison

I'm curious

not a competition

lets convert to usd for fair comparison

[median marsh]

which card?

[wary copper]

we can go through all the main ones, or you can just pick one

[mighty cosmos]

RTX 3080ti costs $2500 here

[wary copper]

does that include tax?

[mighty cosmos]

yep

pretty sure at least

It was like $3500 a few months ago

[median marsh]

only considering stores that list them as available:
RTX3060 starts at 600€/$700
RTX3070 starts at 900€/$1050
RTX3080 starts at 1300€/$1500
RTX3080TI start at 1600€/$1850

germany^

[wary copper]

It's only $1910.60 here for that same card. But it also was more a few months ago

yeah same here as germany

roughly

[median marsh]

where is "here"? 😄

[wary copper]

new zealand

[mighty cosmos]

RTX 3070 is $1150

That's not actually that bad

I mean... it isn't great but...

[wary copper]

where is that sorry. I am not familiar with that currency

seems like things are just a bit worse there.

[mighty cosmos]

Croatia

[wary copper]

in terms of pure price

but yeah I am considering folding and getting a 3070ti

[mighty cosmos]

What's funny is the prices were so inflated that now double msrp looks acceptable 😐

[median marsh]

you really want to settle with 8gb vram?

[wary copper]

Things are always above msrp here. The original price for a 3070 here was 765

I did consider getting a A4000 as its price doesn't seem to be inflated, and so it is actually cheaper than a 3080

but I just don't do enough memory intensive tasks to justify it

[mighty cosmos]

8GB is gonna be more than enough for quite a long time I believe, at least in terms of gaming and game development
Only some professional workloads would use more than that

[median marsh]

i hit the 10gb quite often

specially with blender + unreal opened at the same time

[mighty cosmos]

Um that doesn't seem quite right 🤔

[wary copper]

unless you are working on really big scenes with high res textures that is

[median marsh]

well i feel like unreal vulkan isn't that efficient with resource management yet

[wary copper]

I manage with 3gb with both open.

[median marsh]

kinda feels like what is in VRAM once will stay there 😄

[mighty cosmos]

UE is maybe allocating all that memory and pooling it but it might not be actively using it

my guess at least

[wary copper]

I think this might be a case of once you have the VRAM it will be used

because it can

[median marsh]

yea possible

but with 6GB VRAM i had out of video memory crashs frequently

even with just unreal

[wary copper]

how high res is your game?

[median marsh]

hard to tell, it has some 4k/8k textures

but one of the main vram eaters seems to be groom

most of the time i come along with ~4gb vram usage

[wary copper]

that's also kinda surprising.

to the groom part

[median marsh]

just saying there are spikes, where it seems to really need more

and as said, i'm stuck on vulkan, so that may not apply to directx

[wary copper]

a linux user?

[median marsh]

yes

[wary copper]

honestly that might be it

also maybe the drivers for the gpu aren't as good on linux

since they are open sourced and the gpus are not

[median marsh]

i'm using the closed source nvidia driver

[wary copper]

oh I have heard those are also rubbish

[median marsh]

i think the open source version is a mess if you really want to get stuff done 😄

as user i cant complain

i feel like it's more the vulkan implementation of unreal at times

[wary copper]

It's hard to say

could be both

could be neither

[median marsh]

for example there has been issues with VRAM defragmentation on vulkan for a while now

that may contribute to the issue, doesn't help if it has 100 chunks of 10mb free if it needs a 20MB chunk 😄

[unique dagger]

how can I uninstall a driver from another hard drive

!?

I killed my second pc

[unique dagger]

Anyways i fixed it

[vestal nacelle]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144227459913

someone get this and let me know if it's real

[elder cipher]

At that price, I’m quite skeptical myself.

[slate blade]

seller info = inexistent

[vestal nacelle]

https://www.ebay.com/usr/geoll_486/

yeah the whole account is gone now

[shadow heath]

Windows and Linux handle shortage of VRAM differently. E.g. Windows can migrate VRAM to system RAM (see https://gpuopen.com/learn/vulkan-device-memory/ , "Hidden paging" there), but Linux does not, resulting in a hard OOM there. Drivers alone cannot fix that AFAIK. Because of that, you need more VRAM on Linux than on Windows.

[median marsh]

but if i read that correct, it is more a feature of the vulkan implementation rather than an OS feature

defrag and paging to system memory was introduced to UE somewhere around 4.25/4.26, but defrag was always kind of a troublemaker on linux. maybe the main problem is that linux uses Vulkan for the Editor while windows uses DirectX, and so the focus of those features is more on runtime currently

[shadow heath]

It is unfortunately an OS feature. Vulkan defrag can help a single application, but if you run the editor and a standalone PIE (or two instances of the editor), the OS needs to step in to arbiter how the two access the now-decreased VRAM. And Windows does, and silently turns DEVICE_LOCAL memory into a system one, while Linux is more like: hey, you wanted a true low-level API access to the GPU memory, right? So have it 🙂

(TBF the reasons for Linux not doing that are probably more serious, as the driver model there is different, but I don't know the details)

[median marsh]

ah, gotcha. thanks for explaining 🙂

[shadow heath]

sure thing

[flint wave]

btw amd cpu's 15% less performance on w11

so rather not to update

[mellow galleon]

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400 3x slower L3 cache access lol

[novel briar]

Maybe it is written in .net

[novel briar]

/ smirk

[frank glade]

I've been in the EVGA queue for a 3000 series for almost a year, still nothing, and now they're making me keep only 2 notifies, what a joke 😆

[sick cedar]

got my 3070 TI on release

the month these TI versions release were everywhere for 2 weeks

like 4 or 5 months ago

[pearl quartz]

whats with all these new power cables, looks like theres a new one for PCIE5

[median marsh]

yea

dont buy new psu

dont buy ddr4

dont buy anything

[pearl quartz]

lol feels that way cuz Intel was to make new mobo plugs

there will be adapters but with so many new standards probably just best to do it once they are all ready

[unborn pike]

having some odd intermittent slowdowns on desktop with my rtx 3090 🤔

happens everywhere, chrome, ue editor

[wind egret]

DDR4 has gotten semi-cheap. Is it a fire sale on stock before ddr5 comes in?

[worldly lagoon]

Yes, take advantage, run Unreal on RAM disk! 😄

[wet ore]

I've been getting this ever since the last 2 or 3 drivers nvidia has released, I'm on a 2080ti. in my case, it comes from the nvlddmkm driver. Do you have steamVR or nvidia omniverse?

[unborn pike]

Nope

[unborn pike]

the slowdown is apparent in the blueprint editor when I drag nodes around continuously

[slate blade]

those graphic cards are for different use cases though

Professional grade Graphic cards usually perform poorly at real time rendering pipelines

when compared to the "high end consumer" ones

[frank glade]

looks like 12gb of vram is peanuts for 4k. should have gotten a 3090 😬

[novel briar]

That max graphics?

FC7 would likely need more, so don't hurry with overpriced 3090

[frank glade]

Max everything

16gb should be the minimum nowadays

Boy am I glad I didnt get a 3070

[unborn pike]

even 32 GB is cutting it close

this is me running tests for a small typescript project in docker

[frank glade]

Ill be getting 128gb on my next machine, its justified as a content creator. However my wife doesnt agree 😄

[median marsh]

with what? That 128GB is justified for content creators, or that you are a content creator?

[frank glade]

Well if you run UE+3ds+sbs painter+photoshop+zbrush, 32gb is full already

And I go back and forth between them. Export from 3ds to painter, texture, bring in UE, etc

[median marsh]

well, full doesn't mean that it's fully utilizied

only time i hit 64gb+ is when baking lightmaps in unreal

[flat glade]

@devout pendant Since you are specifically doing high detail rendering stuff I assume you care more about rendering than C++ compilation but I can give you some guidelines I use

RAM and having lots of threads are much more important than building a normal PC in workstation stuff

one of the new AMD threadrippers like the 5950x is my current ~ideal~ workstation cpu thingy

I assume

[flat glade]

Yeah we also told him to get a fancy gpu

[royal aspen]

The rx6900xt has 16gb which is well over what’s used there. Raytracing is still too latent to use imo.. they definitely not getting the frame rate on a 3090 with raytracing unless they are upsampling. Would switch from nvidia to amd all day again

[median marsh]

what's with that M2 slot restriction? never heard of it, and honestly sounds more like a mainboard issue?!

[frank glade]

Sbs painter alone had 3 driver issues with amd cards this year (like pinned official threads - amd users do this). I don't think it flipped at all

[solemn patio]

Threadrippers 3960X vs 3970X vs 3990X (24 vs 32 vs 64 cores)?

[flat glade]

here's a benchmark https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Unreal-Engine-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-CPU-Performance-1967/

they only have 64gb ram here, mind you

[sacred dust]

I’m mad at Microsoft adding windows 11 support for i7 7820 HQ , and ignoring stronger i7 7820 HK

Any reason beside having hq version in there devices? I have no knowledge in cpus

[flat glade]

Windows 11 cpu benchmarks are not really something you should care for now

afaik things will be changing rapidly once it actually releases and gets used

oh, you mean actual support

no idea then

[bronze sand]

Hey can I run unreal engine 5 smoothly with -
CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 2700X
GPU - GTX 1650 Super
RAM - 16 GB

[median marsh]

depends on what you are planning to do

but it's good enough to get started

[slate blade]

also depends on your definition of smoothly

[shrewd shard]

The amount of VRAM might be too low for Lumen I believe

My 1070Ti (8GB) is nearly maxed out when running that in a decently simple scene

[median marsh]

that vram is too low for a lot of things, as said it depends on what he wants to do with unreal

but at least on vulkan unreal should support using the host memory if you are on windows

not sure if DirectX also supports that

[flint wave]

does anyone use the razor seiren mini

[wild relic]

Guys, what graphics cards shold I buy?

all prices have been massively inflated

[flat glade]

Follow your heart

[wild relic]

would 3060 be worth it? its 150% times the normal price

[flint wave]

i will wait with a new gpu

[slate blade]

so TLDR:

is your existing graphics card non existent / broken / older than Dinosaurs? ✅

Otherwise, wait until next gen

[wild relic]

older. I use a mac.

[errant peak]

I hate recommending prebuilds, but some of the prebuild companies can get you a graphics card without the insane markup*

And by without the insane markup, I mean they only mark it up $200-300

[slate blade]

we're in an industry state where prebuilds are better value than dyi

which is hilarious and sad af

[turbid kite]

Can anyone help with a solid laptop that I can use for Unreal?
I have a desktop, I am just looking for something I can use on the move when I’m not at home.

I’m wanting something with a 30series gpu for some VR Things.

Ive been looking at the MSI GP66.

Cheers to any help!

[bronze field]

Get the new MacBook Pro M1Max 🙂

[frank glade]

asus flow x13, razer blade 14, 13-14 inch for max portability

[slate blade]

Not having UE with Live coding (Windows only) is self-flagellation territory

[turbid kite]

So what should I go for? Other than the Asus flow or the msi?

[frank glade]

any other laptop with ryzen 5900 and 30 series? https://www.notebookcheck.net/Comprehensive-list-of-all-laptops-featuring-the-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3070-Laptop-GPU-along-with-corresponding-TGPs.517805.0.html sort by gpu TGP for max performance

[devout pendant]

who could ever predict this..

[flat glade]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-posts-first-official-fix-for-windows-11-bugs

[onyx dawn]

hey guys

i have a high spec system but there is a problem

when im playing, my fps is around 120-150, but sometimes it just stucks for a moment, less than a second

why is this happening ?

do you have any ideas

[onyx dawn]

and then goes back to 120-150

please ping me if you know anything about this.

[frank glade]

Whats the deal with nvidia studio drivers? Any benefits for UE?

[slate blade]

which is like every other week

[slate blade]

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-nvidia-gif-nvidia-accepted-gif-19751391

I miss the games with that whoosh/whisper sound of "NVIDIA"

[frigid heath]

https://tenor.com/view/3dfx-logo-3dfx-logo-glide-gif-17359201

[novel briar]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sega-running-video-game-gif-17711875

[slate blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ea-sports-e-ea-meme-gif-14922519

[stray echo]

So I think this is the best place to post on this server but if anyone looking for a oculus quest 2: https://www.ebay.com/itm/373767712503

Heres mine!

[median marsh]

@agile swift unless you scam people on purpose, your discord got pwned

[pearl quartz]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i5-12600k-cpu-z-validations-confirm-50-higher-performance-than-i5-11600k-in-multi-thread-test

[soft plume]

hi! i want to buy a pc soon. is the 6600xt good for unreal engine 5? (I would like to go higher end but you know everything is very expensive rn)

i'm also using a lot linux

is a rtx 3060 12gb (200$ more) better for me?

XD

i am the communist state

i make money from the people

ok thx

i was running it on uhd 620

yea

so it will be fine i guess

thx

ok thx

it's better than low@10fps

[median marsh]

is the 3060 much more? the 12GB vram can come in handy specially if you like to work with unreal and maya/blender/whatever at the same time

[soft plume]

200CAD more

[soft plume]

idk if I like to run them at the same time cauz if i try rn it crashes lol *cries in uhd 620*

[median marsh]

also for linux in my experience nvidia is the better choice

but my last amd card was a Radeon R9 285 😄

what cpu are you aiming at?

[soft plume]

well a 5800x i had a 6700xt on my list but then i was sold out before i buyed it so now i fall down at the 6600xt

idk if it's overkill for my gpu

[soft plume]

really?

i think the only bad thing with nvidia is wayland

[soft plume]

should i go for 5600x

[median marsh]

hm not sure

maybe if you wait till black friday or something you can make some good deals?!

intel alder lake is out by then, so that puts a bit of pressure on AMD 😄

[soft plume]

yea my goal is to buy it on boxing day

lol

with the msrps rn they are already too high for me

(and if you don't live on earth well welcome nothing is at msrp here)

[median marsh]

yea but wrong way around 😄

2-3 years ago everything was below MSRP 😄

[soft plume]

in 2021*

2-3 years ago i buyed my current laptop thinking it would be great for game dev

everyday i suffer

regretting my choice

(everything was lagging on windows)

then i put linux

[median marsh]

which choice?

[soft plume]

buying the laptop that i'm wrting on rn

running cs:go at low at 30fps

[soft plume]

now with linux if it doesn't crash, well it runs well

but everything crash in the land of integrated graphics

[soft plume]

https://tenor.com/view/keyboard-hyperx-rgb-hyperx-family-hyperx-gaming-gif-17743649

[midnight condor]

I'm traveling right now so I don't have my desktop, trying to do unreal dev on a 2016 hp "mobile workstation" 4core i7 w/ quadro graphics and holy shit I want to kill myself. it is honestly horrible. spent several hours the past couple days just waiting for shaders to compile 😦 i don't know how people use systems like this for unreal dev

[soft plume]

lol

[median marsh]

i used an i7 4 core daily for 2 years... just lately upgraded

and now im in an unproductive mental state -.-

[zinc ingot]

Hi all! I`d like to ask for some advice with purchasing a new gaming monitor, I got very old pc, my monitor is also limited to 1080p + 60 hz. So I want to ask, if I buy a new pc with rtx3070 8 gb vram, what monitor should I buy to that PC if I mostly play single player games, but often multiplayer fps games too or tps. I am not a pc expert 🙂

I saw some good gaming monitors, and I think 1440P or 2560×1440 (2K) monitors are good, should I take one 2K monitor? Also what Hz do You recommend (monitor refresh rate)?

and I think a 27" monitor should be enough for me.

[median marsh]

yea 2k at 27" is fine, and 144Hz refresh rate should be sufficient

[zinc ingot]

I got a question about this monitor for example:
https://rog.asus.com/us/monitors/27-to-31-5-inches/rog-strix-xg27aqm-model/

It says it can be overlocked to 240 Hz, so its not working on 240 Hz, when I purchase it and I turn on monitor, its not running on 240 Hz? How you overlock this Monitor? I don`t want to buy this one, as its a little expensive one, I am just asking, sorry for dumb question.

[median marsh]

no idea

even 144Hz is way over what your brain can process 😄

[zinc ingot]

on PC 2K have some fps limits I mean in new games?

[median marsh]

would just suggest to look for g-sync support if you go for a nvidia card

the most limiting factor will be the GPU

[zinc ingot]

Copy thx for help.

so 2K monitor and 144 Hz will be good for rtx3070 8 gb vram? I don`t have new PC yet, I want to buy together PC+Monitor for Xmas 🙂

[median marsh]

yes

[zinc ingot]

and I check with gsync support also, thx

[median marsh]

gsync isn't really necessary, but probably nice to have, so don't focus too much on it

it just adapts the refresh rate of the monitor to your actual frames

so if you have 60fps it will run with 60Hz

if you got 100fps it will run with 100Hz

[zinc ingot]

Hi again! I checked lots of monitors in my country, and I found this one, I show it on amazon. Any opinions about this monitor?
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-XG27AQ-Compatible-DisplayPort-DisplayHDR/dp/B08LCNNGZN?th=1

it has in description of the product this information: ultrafast 170Hz (overclocked) refresh rate So how this overclocking works? I can`t find any gaming monitor in my country that is not overclocked around 144 Hz, this monitor is running on 144 Hz too, just this overclocking to 170 Hz?!

[median marsh]

looks good to me, i wouldn't care too much about the overclocking, as said if you run it with gsync it will adapt the refresh rate to your GPU

and i guess there are barely games where you'll get or need over 144fps 😄

[zinc ingot]

I got your point. In my country I found only this one around 144 Hz, and in 27'' size and in a good price. Thanks for the help, and feedback! I appreciate it. (english is not my mother language so in case I wrote something wrongly)

[median marsh]

keep in mind, that the whole refresh rate thing is mostly marketing

you can get a good 27" WXHD(1440p) screen for half the price

it probably wont have gsync or fancy refresh overclocking, but it's still sufficient for most of the games

[whole night]

Shooters are the game genre that benefits the most from high refresh rate + high fps. Web browsing also is amazing at higher refresh rates when scrolling. You really don't need more than 120hz, because a discernable difference requires double that. And 240 hz + is overkill.

[zinc ingot]

Hi all! Thx for the comments and thanks for the tips!

[devout pendant]

what is the newest version of ue4 my pc can run?
processor: Intel Pentium CPU 2117U (1.80GHz)
graphics card: intel hd graphics 620
memory: 8192 MB (8.192 GB) RAM

[devout pendant]

should i just use ue3?

[soft plume]

f in the chat

[shrewd shard]

I'd be surprised if it even runs UE4

You'll be having major trouble on all ends trying to do anything but absolutely basic games

It barely even supports DX11, also that CPU can't have those graphics unless I'm missing something

Assuming the graphics of the CPU I see in the spreadsheet, you're very, very far below min specs, approximately GT 220 level in terms of performance, and I'd highly advise against attempting to run UE4 like that

The minimum requirements for UE4 are GTX 460 and I can personally say that with a PC approximately double the power of yours I was running at minimum settings with horrific render resolution at 30 fps on a basic scene

TLDR: Don't even try it, you'll be wasting your time

[wind egret]

Replacement cooler, maybe?

[wind egret]

Fans are cheap, but I guess they don't sell the whole cooler, or the blower type. Still, it's not as bad as the memory or core dying.

[flat glade]

can you try to clean them out?

[median marsh]

how do you clean fans? @slate blade

maybe just switch to an AIO then? they are usually complete kits

well when blowing off dust, get sure you dont blow in the bearings

a.) to not push dust into them, b.) to not blow the oil out

but letting it die is also overkill

i lost my r 285 to dead fans, which i didn't notice 😭

put them in olive oil

https://aerocool.io/product/astro-24/

or just get 2x 120mm fans and mount them somehow

apparently you can also buy replacement fans for GPUs on amazon

just got to get sure to get one which fits

well, i guess your project also got more complex by time, so i would take it with a grain of salt in that case

unless the fan really failed it should still run at same speed somehow

and RPM is the same? Oo

maybe they changed the fan behavior

to brrrrrrrrrrbrrrrrrrrrrr

nvidia tells me slowdown temp for my gtx1660 is 93°C

so should be same for your card

so maybe vendor decided to let the card run a bit hotter to get less fan noise

well if the fan is broken, yea

also you sure that no cable got into the fan? that can also make a bunch of noise if it's just slightly touching it

[low fulcrum]

specs?

||RTX 3080ti
Ryzen 9 5950x
32 GB ram
2k Ultrawide 144 hz monitor||

[low fulcrum]

||I wish i could say that, this is my specs btw||

[flat glade]

I would go for more ram with a 5950x if you want to get the full benefit out of it for compiling the engine

easy to upgrade later though

[low fulcrum]

lmao did you see this @flat glade

[flat glade]

I did

[low fulcrum]

lol

oh ok

[flat glade]

the struggle is real

[low fulcrum]

but i didn't use the engine in a very long time

i was very busy irl

also, you cannot get RTX cards these days

you can't even get good cards

for desktop

[flat glade]

yeah, I'm lucky I was dumb enough to buy my 2070 a while ago

I pretty much have to skip the 30 series unless something changes

[low fulcrum]

oof

[median marsh]

laptop for gaming or game dev is a waste of money imho

unless you aren't aiming for all that new fancy lighting and such

[soft plume]

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https://www.newegg.com/p/1VJ-00UX-00008?Item=9SIAPW9FTB7425&Description=MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 3080&cm_re=MSI_Gaming X Trio RTX 3080-_-9SIAPW9FTB7425-_-Product&quicklink=true

this feels too beautiful to be true

[median marsh]

if you close your eyes you can see the package content

[soft plume]

lol

[loud forum]

when will rtx3090 price hit btc

[timid shard]

p

[errant peak]

!8ball

[gray surge]

Ask the Magic 8-Ball a yes/no question.

[errant peak]

!8ball will rtx3090 price hit btc?

[gray surge]

@errant peak, :8ball: My sources say no.

[tired prairie]

looking for sata ssd recommendations in the 1-2 tb range
don't really know what makes one better than the other

any tips?

[prime loom]

Ive always gone with the Samsung EVOs.

[errant peak]

I like the Samsung EVOs as well

If you have the slots and the cash, M.2 NVMe drives are amazing

[tired prairie]

im out of slots unfortunately

do sata drives typically come with sata cables or do I need to get those separately

[errant peak]

I think it's typically the motherboards that come with the cables

It's been a while since I bought a sata drive

My most recent hardware purchase ended up being a prebuild because GPU prices are INSANE rn

[median marsh]

you can use pci express card to add m2 nvme slots

and yea, drives usually come without cables

but honestly consider buying an m2 nvme and a pciex adapter card, sata is just bottlenecking any recent ssd

@tired prairie ^

https://icybox.de/en/product.php?id=366 something like that

[loud forum]

samsung evo is a good tip from the guys already, but if u dont expect much write cycles u can also go with a cheaper one

[frigid heath]

both mobo and ssd usually come with a cable

[frank glade]

Looks like intel is king...again

[median marsh]

yea, king of power consumption

i miss my i7 somehow, getting cold feet with the amd cpu

[wet ore]

I have had multiple samsung EVO's and even a QVO, they work great and have the best lifetime (probably). Samsung magician is great for monitoring drive health. I honestly don't see the hype in nvme when the price point is so much higher for not much more noticeable gains

[median marsh]

they are usually cheaper or around the same as SSD devices, so i don't know where you got the price point argument from

also lifetime will show in 10 years or something. My first ssd (intel) has almost 10years power on time and is still working fine with almost 0 reallocated sectors/wearout

on the other hand, had one crucial ssd, which failed after ~6 months power on time

[solemn lichen]

Is it just me or does the 12900k make zero sense for dev machines. big/little-style architecture seems like it'll be horrible for compilation and other high MT tasks even if it's fine for gaming.

Ok, so it beats the 5950x only when using DDR5

sure

it's just comparing new-gen stuff to old-gen stuff

I guess my point is that it'd be better to wait for whatever the 6000 series is, assuming AMD has plans for that any time soon.

No

ah fuck

i just realized searching for new-gen ryzens is going to be dumb

because they'll be in the 6000s just like radeons are

yeah but i can't just search "amd 6000 series" because it pulls up radeons lol

shit i think they did

fuck everything about cpu/gpu naming

[median marsh]

so intel beats AMD by factor 1.001 in compiling chrome, while using almost twice the power

well well 😄

honestly, i'm happy that intel got something thats close to AMD, my intel experience was always good, and i hope my next cpu can be intel again 😄

also the price seems to be close to AMD, which i didn't expect from intel top tier cpus

yea

yea, and it might have been unexpected that AMD did pull such thing as ryzen/threadripper

it came out of nowhere 😄

considering their cpu gens before...

[kind talon]

If anyones after a UE specific review
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Unreal-Engine-12th-Gen-Intel-Core-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-2249/

[median marsh]

imho all the benchmarks are kinda useless atm

win11 has still buggy L3 cache for AMD

[kind talon]

Thats fixed

[median marsh]

while intel profits of win11s schedular

the cache too?

i thought they only fixed the other issue

[kind talon]

Both are fixed

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400

[median marsh]

but also they tested the intel with DDR4 only, which isn't necessary fair to bench it's potential

[kind talon]

The puget one I linked does both

[median marsh]

oh right, only did read the test setup stats so far

*All the latest drivers, OS updates, BIOS, and firmware applied as of October 27th, 2021 (was amd patch out then?)

[kind talon]

Yes October 21st

[median marsh]

i wonder how much power both consume under normal workload

[kind talon]

Im sure if there are more issues then puget will update, they're good like that

Also doing a win10 one as well

[median marsh]

as this seems to be the only reasonable thing to pick one over the other

[kind talon]

FWIW
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/12th-Gen-Intel-Core---Do-you-need-Windows-11-2254/

In most cases, we saw virtually no difference between Windows 11 and Windows 10. In fact, the two applications where there was a drop in performance with Windows 11 was actually with the Intel CPUs. In both Premiere Pro and After Effects, the Core i9 12900K ended up scoring 6-8% lower in Windows 11. These are both applications where Intel already beats AMD, but suggests that once the Windows 11 bugs are worked out, Intel's lead will actually expand even further.

(I am focusing on content creation here not games as that's most relevant to us)

Hopefully!

[median marsh]

yea, games suck

we all make them, but dont play them 😄

[kind talon]

Im more looking forward to the Intel chips in laptops

Thats what has me excited

[median marsh]

little do you know 😄

[kind talon]

They definitely did for the latest ryzen chips

Especially power consumption which is what im hoping for

Need a Windows competitor to the Apple M1s

Those are sooo ridiculously good

[median marsh]

but apparently not for unreal 😄

[kind talon]

In what way?

[median marsh]

someone was lately complaining about their "performance" in unreal

if they had native vulkan support, they probably had a higher value for game devs

[kind talon]

I don't think Epic has UE running native on Apple silicon yet

[kind talon]

Nah metal smashes vulkan out of the park

Shame Apple drivers can be so shit

[median marsh]

yea but it requires to be implemented in the engines

[kind talon]

If I wanted that I'd buy a desktop

[kind talon]

Ue already runs on Metal, sorry not following

[median marsh]

or is it that M1 users cant use metal because they don't have a native engine running?

[kind talon]

No m1 users have to go through the x86 -> arm layer

[median marsh]

i don't know much about apple, i just followed the one convo in general where someone complained about performance

[kind talon]

Until ue does get it running natively (Unsure what the status of that is)

I had to get it working last year and it was a right pain

[median marsh]

ok, thanks

wasn't aware that the issue is missing native editor build rather than metal support

[kind talon]

yeah! I think UE has packaged games running native now but not the editor AFAIK

[sterile solar]

For the new intel gen 12 CPU's I see a lot of metrics for game framerates and random benchmarks, but is there a good benchmark for showing how well it effects UE editor performance/shader compile time?

Because I can't really justify upgrading my 7700k to a gen 12 for a handful of frames per second for games. But if it enhances c++ compile time and editor performance then maybe

[kind talon]

^ @sterile solar

[sterile solar]

@silk magnet thanks! exactly what I was looking for

[mighty cosmos]

I'm at the same time impressed at disappointed with the 12th gen
Impressed because that's a big leap over the previous generation and it's trading blows with the 5950x
Disappointed because it's trading blows with 5950x, next gen vs current gen... And it falls so far behind on DDR4

Still overall pretty impressive results by the 12th gen

[rugged wedge]

here's the latest ue4 benches by Puget on alder lake

very surprised about the horrible thermals of the 12900k though

I thought intel had heat under control :P

I remember the only amd I had before the 5950x I hated because the fan had to run so loud all the time

it was roughly 20 years ago

I was 16 🥲

still have my "cambridge soundworks" speakers w/ subwoofer from then btw

20 year old speakers and they still work fine

4.1

every other windows update messes up the two rear speakers so I ended up unplugging them

[median marsh]

i have almost 40 years old T+A speakers 😄

[rugged wedge]

you were only a burgeoning battle jeep at that point

[median marsh]

i had a celeron once....

does that count like an amd back then? 😄

[rugged wedge]

I had a 286 once

for some reason it was after I'd had a 386 so I really hated it

486 was the shit, it could run red alert at an interactive frame rate

never played a final fantasy game

hehe

what was the memory "trick"... himem.sys or something - you had to reboot the pc when you wanted it and had to exit out of norton commander

[median marsh]

that was some top shelf 486 then

mine had 66MHz turbo speed 😄

looking at wikipedia right now, damn there have been some competition back then

amd, cyrix, ibm, intel, ST, and TI + UMC

what intel did with the 8 low power cores also reminded me of the times where cpu's had co processors

just that it's integrated now

[soft plume]

intel 12th gen is cool

but personally i would like to wait for amd responses and pcie gen 5 graphics cards / ssds

to use the full power of it

imagine amd ryzen 5 7600x beating the 12900k

then

why is 5600x beating 11900k and 10900k

everyone was like lol get roasted intel

i don't think it would be a bad business decision

why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZBIeM2zE-I

and intel 11th gen sucks

they more said whatever buy it nothing is at msrp right now

[daring apex]

I think intel is definitely back on top with the 12th gen for the 5600x.
Directly comparing the 10900k and 5600x is a bit unfair as the 10900k retails for $200 more although it does perform slightly better.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-10900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X/4071vs4084

Although to fully utilize the 12th gen chips you gotta use windows 11

which isn't something I'd necessarily wanna do right now lol. Although I dunno much about the state of windows 11.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EogHCFd7w0

oh yeah that too

damn that's funky

yeah then price to performance may go a bit out the window for now

yeah

and I imagine whatever amd cooks up working on ddr5 will be very competitive as well.

although using ddr5 at all at the moment I imagine would be very pricey.

[timid shard]

p

[soft plume]

yea but using ddr4 is kinda stupid with intel 12th gen

i mean you get the most recent teck with older ram

(sure ddr4 is cheaper but you're getting the i9 i mean you have kinda large budget)

lol

only for memes i'll get

a z690 motherboard

with a 6900xt

[fading heath]

I use a Acer nitro 5 that has a 2tb ssd installed because I'm learning ue4

[soft plume]

oh you got a gpu

nice

i got a uhd 620 laptop

[daring apex]

If to get slightly higher performance then the ryzen chips you need to spend substantially more on ram there's no real reason to get these chips.

[fading heath]

I have a desktop that i got from the dumpster which is a 2007 Dell Inspiron 531s which I have modded to have a memory card bay that has a USB port and i got it a wifi card and I gave it new thermal paste and install windows 10 64 bit i also gave it 4gb ram which most sites say that's the max ram but I've also seen sites saying it's possible to Max the ram to 8gb but that requires replacing the CPU with s faster one which I do have plans on doing that because I heard about this CPU called a amd Athlon 6000+ Brisbane and its 3.1ghz while my current CPU for it is 2ghz

I also wanna replace it's fat 160gb HDD with a little 500gb m.2 ssd which idk if I'll get much speed change sense I heard something about data transfer rates changing with more newer computers but if thats true Ill get it a regular ssd

Also I wanna install 2 other fans because it's a very compact slim PC

Also I need a graphics card for it because the graphics chip on it is extremely outdated but it's hard to find a low profile graphics card

[fervent jolt]

My friend, you have a lot of learning ahead of you

[pearl quartz]

If we are talking Intel 12th gen in regards to Unreal Engine type workloads then benchmarks on shader compiles, engine compiles etc are more important thant gaming FPS. Linus does actually mentions that, there is also the fact that Zen 3 has been compared against 3 intel gens now from 10-12 and its only just starting to really look good for them shows the strength of AMDs market position overall.
Even if Zen 4 lags and we get a Zen3+ the new cache is said to provide in the range of a 15% uplift, so for a possible 5900XT even without the new tech (DDR5, PCIE5 etc) it puts them at an advantage especially in multi-core workloads.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Unreal-Engine-11th-Gen-Intel-Core-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-2105/
These guys might have an Intel 12 comparison at some point 😎

Amongst enthusiast reviewers buying the high end gear is actually not recommended for gaming, most will point in the direction of the mid range if thats the primary task a computer does. Even Hardware Unboxed recently did a bit on how the ultra settings might not even be worth it in alot of cases providing little benefit for the cost. For devs though having that extra VRAM or more cores will always help, also need to consider the possibility a games FPS is poor because of crappy software 😛

[daring apex]

Yeah, unless you have a specific use case midrange gear will almost always do the job even well into the future.

Like I don't see any reason most people would need a 3090 or a 5950x don't get me wrong they're great and all but unless you plan to do something with it, it's kinda pointless.

[pearl quartz]

I definitely notice the benefits of my 5950x when I compile but most of the time it does sit idle. If anything it was more the lower power usage I was going for because I wanted fast and efficient knowing my PC wasnt going to be flat strap all the time

[daring apex]

Yeah that's fair, I have a 5800x which certainly isn't the most price to performance efficient but my PC was broke and it was what was available. Plus I don't need more then 8 cores anyway.

I notice it slowdown sometimes when editing a video but that's most likely due to thermal limitations and the application not being GPU accelerated because that's locked behind a different version.

As for unreal I can wait a bit longer for compile times, no biggie. Although Puget systems does recommend the 12 core 5900x I'm pretty sure.

[pearl quartz]

lol well in that article its all consumer grade but theres another one with the Threadripper included

[daring apex]

How does the threadripper stack up?

I imagine the compile times are insanely fast lol

[pearl quartz]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Unreal-Engine-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-CPU-Performance-1967/

Its better for UE stuff thats forsure, until you hit the gaming performance

like 285.2 FPS isnt enough lol, they are only 1080p though Im willing to bet most are running 1440p these days

[daring apex]

Yeah lol

I tend to not mind the gaming performance of a CPU that much because they are all pretty close anyways

And give plenty of fps

Although I run at 1080p 60 so any current gen CPU is pretty much overkill for any gaming application I throw at it lol.

[pearl quartz]

I could see it mattering for competitive gaming where you want that high frequency, youre probably just going to turn as much down to hit your FPS target anyway though no matter the hardware

[daring apex]

Yeah actually

If you need to be powering a 360fps 1080p monitor

Then I bet it would

[pearl quartz]

I think Id still suck even at that FPS lol

[daring apex]

Same lol although it probably does help the top 0.000005% players who have trained for years.

[median marsh]

wtf nvidia.... 800MB for a VGA driver?!

[daring apex]

lol

[flat glade]

Make sure to clean out the old ones sometime

[soft plume]

lol

[mellow galleon]

https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3668-hw-news-minisforum-responds-intel-z690-hardware-bans
is it era of hardware bans now with TPM ?

Valorant To Ban Cheaters On A Hardware Level

also this looks hilarious, to use the small gen 12 cores you have to turn off avx512

[mellow galleon]

@rugged wedge

[astral musk]

They already do: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Unreal-Engine-12th-Gen-Intel-Core-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-2249/

[soft plume]

i just don't underestand why you would want efficient cores on desktop

hm

but

ryzen 5950x has a similar price

and the same number of cores

oh yea you're right

ik

but people buying 12600k are mmostly gamers

which in efficient cores does the job

but when you go 12900k you probably want compiling performance

lol

the max perf

so why would you want something efficient idk that's wierd

for 12900k i mean at this point you don't have budget

whatttttttt

i'm so confused

how?

i mean sure you can pack more cores

but perf has multithereading

lol ok

[wind egret]

You're usually getting 2E for 1P

[soft plume]

hm but then was is better

2 cores 2 threads

or 1 core 2 threads

[wind egret]

2 at 3.8ghz, 1 at 5ghz (and hyperthreaded)

I wonder why they wouldn't do 4 P cores and 24 30 E cores. (Or, if it's 4:1, then 56 E cores)

That's nowhere near 4:1. It's not even 2:1.

Looks like they'd lose 4 P to gain 8 E, going from the 12900 to that 13th gen i9. Hopefully the chip isn't getting any bigger.

12 + 8/4 = 14
8 + 16/4 = 12 ?

Oh, my mistake. I was reading "total cores" on the 12700.

[median marsh]

"dramatically"

your comment is dramatically

[mellow galleon]

i don't get it the new cpu tests done with ddr5 while amd with ddr4 but still having close numbers

but ddr5 is a huge boost too

[median marsh]

also DDR5 is still just starting to develop

there will be faster sticks in the next months

yea but only in multicore stuff, it seems to be better in singlecore performance

[mellow galleon]

because of ddr5

[median marsh]

and even if it takes 10% more time to compile something, i guess people can live with that

[mellow galleon]

imo

[unborn pike]

the thing with the new intel is that even a noctua nh-d15 is too small for it

[wind egret]

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
quad-fan socket!

[soft plume]

i made my grandparents' 2007 laptop work

a ram slot is dead

so now it only has 2gb of ram inside

lol

i think i'm gonna install arch linux on it

[pearl quartz]

Cheers, I did a search on their site but it didnt come up

[pearl quartz]

It has to do with workloads, sometimes there is a need for wider problems to be solved but they arnt needed quickly. Clockspeed isnt the only thing that matters, Apple have shown that more recently in the M1. What you can do is process things in the background and feed it forward, you want those tasks to be performed by chips suited to that type of processing. I think the misconception is that efficient cores = weak cores, it would be like calling RT cores weak because they arnt the main processing cores.

[soft plume]

lol

[warm dock]

Hi, I have added some new hardware to my shopping cart.. but I cant decide to buy i9 or i7 12th gen.
Will UE use all cores on the i9 ? or is the i7 all I need for "random" use..

I figure I skip DDR5, because it`s not in stock yet.

I also read that buying 12th gen with DDR4 is a bad choice ... hmm

[median marsh]

is your mobo made of cardboard?

https://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/articles/2007/11/11091140565l.jpg

You can see from the above images that the Scythe Kama Cross CPU Cooler had no compatibility issues with my ASUS P5B Deluxe wi-fi/App motherboard. 😄

the cross in the name means that the mobo wraps itself around the cooler

[soft plume]

upgrading to win 11 might not be a good idea, since it's not a very mature os the performance it is not worth it

unless you want to use an app that is only on win 11

[median marsh]

i wouldn't recommend upgrading to an 8th gen i5 either (unless you get a used set for a good price), most of them are 4 core only, and with the 3700x you would get 8 cores

yea but for less than 50 bucks more you get the 3700 which has 2 more cores

[mellow galleon]

is that minimal required cooler for intel 12th gen ? or you additionally submerge it all in liquid nitrogen as well

[median marsh]

no thats some old board, pentium 4 or something

[regal kite]

what in the world is that thing

[sinful imp]

hey there! have a question, perhaps someone here is using any of these models: I'm looking into buying a 14 inch laptop for gamedev and gaming as I might be moving soon and can't get my desktop with me, which I use for work, pet project and gaming.

I have two models in sight:

• ASUS Zephyrus G14 2021 (Ryzen 9 5900 / 32 GB RAM / RTX 3060 6GB)
• Razer Blade 14 (Ryzen 9 5900 / 16 GB RAM / RTX 3070 8 GB)

My intention is to mostly use this as a desktop, connected to 1 or 2 external monitors, kb/m, etc. I don't think I'm gonna use it a lot on the go for gamedev, but might use it for showcasing projects at events and also gaming (on the go).

Does anyone here have any of these laptops and can give me any feedback/recommendation/tip about them for this usage?

Thanks 😄

[bright raft]

@sinful imp I am wondering the same thing, however I am looking at the 15.6" versions (I am leaning towards the Blade) due to upgradability, I don't like the fact that the 14" versions aren't upgradeable. I think 16GB RAM is fine right now, but who knows if that will still cut it 1 or 2 years down the line.

I mainly prefer the blade due to the style, it doesn't scream gaming laptop which some of them do, to be fair though I think the Zephryus is also quite understated

[median marsh]

i think 16gb is bare minimum for unreal, but it also depends on your project if you need more or not

[bright raft]

Yeah, I'm still pretty new to gamedev so I'm not putting any triple AAA projects out any time soon 😅 it's fine for me right now

plus I have a decent desktop with 32GB RAM anyway

[languid nexus]

Anyone in here use a laptop with a USB-C hub hooked up to two DP 1440p monitors? We have Dell and Thinkpad hubs at work, but I just had to go and get a HP one and it's just beyond fucked up it seems... some weird built-in graphics card INSIDE THE HUB that refuses to do 3D acceleration, and when you force the laptop to use the Nvidia card only, it looks as if you are streaming full screen video to the displays, complete with video artifacts and lag...

This is the little shit I have, in case anyone recognizes it... (and if you see it, STAY AWAY) 😅

[sinful imp]

Yeah my intention is to later buy a new desktop that will have 32/64 gb and do the heavy load there. This is just "for the meantime" and for events or going somewhere else do some lightwork.

My current pet project is quite small so I don't think I'm gonna have what @slate blade mentions. It's just a singleplayer retro shooter with small maps (at least compared to an open world / landscape type project lol)

[bright raft]

@sinful imp I guess you'll be fine with either, which laptop are you leaning more towards? I'm waiting until Black Friday before I pull the trigger anyway but I think I'll go with the blade 15

[sinful imp]

so... the G14 you have 2 versions, there's a 32GB version with 2x 16 sticks, one soldereded and one that you can change, and the old one who has 2x 8 same setup. If I can get the 32 gb, I prefer the G14... but if they're both the 16gb version, I would say the Razer because of the GPU and construction quality

although for what I've read, both laptops have flaws in their construction (as most gaming laptops tbh...)

[soft plume]

https://nzxt.com/product/bld-kit-starter-pro-pc

is this a good idea for someone who wants to game and learn unreal engine

maybe make some small games

[bright raft]

@soft plume yes I think so, maybe upgrade the CPU further down the line to an i7 or i9

[soft plume]

ok thx

i don't think i'm gonna keep it for long, it's my first gaming pc

so yea i think i'll upgrade it and then sell it

according to pc gamer the 11400f is a great price/perf cpu

[median marsh]

uhm, 11th gen i5? :/

[soft plume]

lol im not gonna do the top end thing, just learning unreal engine

maybe making smalls games but i won't do something like gta vi