hardware

[shrewd shard]

And considering what I had on my laptop, it's gonna be pretty bad when it comes to build times

Also I think they were Socs which means no upgrade path whatsoever

They're pretty much just a cloud/networking beast and that's about all they can do

They're made for like analysing a file before putting it in a database, like checking an uploaded pic for obscene imagery

But their multithreading is buttcheeks

Dunno for what kinda money you found that one, but you should be able to snag a much better config for building/playing games

Seeing it only includes an HDD I assume it's an older Xeon too, which is simply not gonna work

As in, even for daily usage I wouldn't recommend it

[pallid hinge]

Having to use that to build anything UE related would be a reason to Quit a job immediately for me

[devout pendant]

[devout pendant]

help, my camera is static

[novel briar]

Not the right #channel? 🤔

[brazen mortar]

@radiant summit sorry to poke, but you're only person I know who uses multiple 4k monitors
You think that 2x 4k monitors better than one ultra wide? (like Odyssey G9)

[radiant summit]

@brazen mortar never tried an ultra-wide, but i personally like that both (all 3)monitors are really separate entities

[unborn pike]

I wish samsung made a flat g7

[shrewd shard]

Until there's driver support to split your screen, I'm sticking to just another monitor

Ultrawides would be really nice if I could split 16:9 for games (since most of them chew off your vertical FOV) and use the rest for discord/browser/etc

[tacit verge]

Hi, I'm upgrading from my 5year old lap top to a desktop, can some give me a current ideal specs to go after? Like good enough to last but not an overkill? (Been working on unreal engine, Maya, zbruzh etc)

[novel briar]

CPU & SSD, then GPU to be good.

[tacit verge]

SSD as in storage? And is i7 good enough or i9? And how to check for good gpu?

[novel briar]

There are some mobile gpu benchmark sites. You don't need much of GPU anyway, laptops are kinda compromise anyway.
CPU, more cores is better if you do material shaders compilation or if you want to use C++.

[tacit verge]

Got it thanks

[devout pendant]

[AMD Zen 4 & Intel Alder Lake] + DDR5 = late-2021

[novel briar]

Meh, I already jumped on the this year tech. I prefer debugged stuff.

Would follow on to see how things will go on, but I doubt I will upgrade in the next few years 🙂

[frank glade]

My 9900k feels slower everyday, Id probably jump on a nice zen 4

[devout pendant]

Intel and AMD will be on the same socket for (at least) three generations, so the next phase of CPUs should be kinder to gamers and their bank accounts.

[hardy ridge]

Hello guys, which laptops would you think are the best to run UE4?

[frank glade]

@hardy ridge ones with ryzen 5900 and rtx 3080

[hardy ridge]

Any tested example?

[novel briar]

Best = expensive in that case. Also i'm not sure these have mobile variants.

[hardy ridge]

I assume expensive, but i was hoping to find recomnendations

[novel briar]

Can't you search by these parts and see what you will find?

[hardy ridge]

I did, but that wasnt my point, my point is tested laptops

Soon im gonna invest in an expensive one coz that i would like to know beforehand if that laptop has no issues running UE4

Cuz my experience i know the case must be aluminum, time ago i invested in one expensive but unfortunatelly case was plastic so it was shutting down every time temp was too high

[devout pendant]

RTX 3080
RTX 3080 TI
RTX 3090

Keep in mind, these cards use GDDR6X which has known temperature issues.

They are good cards, but you will need to [monitor or be mindful of and/or physically deal with] the GDDR6X temperatures.

[frank glade]

@hardy ridge check this out too: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Comprehensive-list-of-all-laptops-featuring-the-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3070-Laptop-GPU-along-with-corresponding-TGPs.517805.0.html all 3000 series laptops, including max wattage for the gpu, so pick one not so stunted by power

[unborn pike]

I really wouldn't get laptops for game dev in general

they always throttle down because they overheat

but if you really want to I say get a large one that actually has room for proper ventilation and coolers

slim ones will just cook themselves

[novel briar]

Many years ago, had to buy a fan pad for my laptop. Was overheating when playing some games.

[devout pendant]

A laptop could also connect to a cloud computer … assuming the internet connection is really strong.

I used ShadowPC two times.
I was happy with the service, but unhappy with my local ISP.

If there were a client to let you use your home rig as a cloud computer, then a laptop could render or compile remotely.

[hardy ridge]

I plan to work abroad so i need kinda the best one😊

[hardy ridge]

Noted, ta

@devout pendant @frank glade @unborn pike @novel briar guys, thanks to u all for ur useful advices, i really appreciate it😊

The overheating expensive laptop that i bought in the past was an ASUS ROG, plastic case, big mistake

B4 talking to u guys i was considering this one, any thoughts?

I was specially interested cuz tge aluminum case

[novel briar]

Looks with good specs. Tho for this money I think you can get better desktop? 🙂
Anyway, consider the CPU cores if you do C++/shaders.

[hardy ridge]

But for sure i need it to be a laptop, if u think the price is too expensive i will check the other options, but i need to have an aluminum case in those other options

[novel briar]

Oh, I meant expensive compared to what you can get for a desktop.
I have no good base to judge is that expensive for a laptop. In general, it looks about right with the current prices.

[hardy ridge]

Agreed, but i already have a good desktop cheaper than this laptop😊

[novel briar]

Ah, okay... if you are fine with prices and stuff, maybe look for even bigger display then 🙂
I dunno, but looking at UE with all its tabs and stuff, seems pita to me on small display.

[hardy ridge]

True, cuz that i will check all the options that u guys said, bigger display will be one of the things to consider

[devout pendant]

Hello, I am about to buy a new computer and was thinking about this setup:

I have 2 hdds already in hand as well as rtx 2060

also two other ram as well so it reaches 32 gb

I am in a loss about the motherboard tho I am not exactly sure which one to get

[shrewd shard]

Looks good

[frank glade]

@devout pendant is that a pcie 4 ssd? I think those can go to 5500 mbps

[shrewd shard]

It's more important how many IOPS it has, not even PCIe 3 gets filled up realistically as a boot drive

[novel briar]

Yeah, its fine PC

[unborn pike]

I'd go for 32 GB RAM

[devout pendant]

yeah I already had twin of 8

so i am filling the gap to reach 32

[hoary urchin]

http://www.thegames.dev/snaps/tvnviewer_CCj1x6Qo2W.png

buildmachine we just built

[devout pendant]

Is the GPU underwhelming because you don't need a great GPU for your purposes?

[hoary urchin]

for the build machine, we don't touch the GPU

[devout pendant]

So much HDD/SSD space ... so much DDR4 RAM ... so many cores/threads ... but the GPU is like what you would buy at Walmart in the discount aisle. haha

[devout pendant]

... like driving a 2021 Tesla ... but your dashboard is an analog cassette player from 1975. 😆

[unborn pike]

not really comparable considering a build machine has zero use for a GPU 🤔

I mean, even a display is optional for those

[devout pendant]

Yeah ... was just joking, man.
Take a break from serious life, for a few minutes ... then re-join serious life after relaxing. 😆

[unborn pike]

why

you can never know how ignorant some people are 😛

[wanton anvil]

So idk if this is the right chat for this, Im going to university in September for games programming. Ive got a powerful gaming pc at home to develop on but im also looking to buy a laptop. Should I get a gaming laptop or a powerful standard laptop. or do you think it would be a waste to get either ?

or maybe just upgrade my current PC

[devout pendant]

For game development on a laptop ... I was thinking about the DLSS plugin for Unreal Engine.
Does it require a DLSS-compatible GPU?

There are some YouTube videos about DLSS in Unreal Engine ... but I don't know too much about the hardware requirements.

[pallid hinge]

It does ofc. require a DLSS compatible GPU

[devout pendant]

... so if you are a game developer who wants to take advantage of increased frame rate via DLSS, then your laptop or desktop would need a DLSS-compatible GPU.

[novel briar]

Yes

Also if you are the gamer.

[shrewd shard]

You can't exactly do deep learning on a GPU that isn't made for it

Or it'll cost more performance than it saves

[devout pendant]

AMD is going to announce their answer to DLSS ... supposedly.

[mental timber]

😮

Cool

[midnight condor]

I guess it will run on the 6800 cards?

[novel briar]

Yeah, think was announced before? Anyway, I am kind of sceptical.

Cards with RT cores

[wind egret]

Requires ... developer intervention ew. Maybe the same reason they can't do MSAA in deferred so easily, but still, sadness.

[devout pendant]

Unreal Engine has a DLSS plugin.

AMD just has to give Epic a(n) FSR plugin for Unreal Engine for it to be useful to Unreal Engine developers.

[mental timber]

^

[wind egret]

No using it for older games.

[tacit laurel]

anyone knows if UE4 runs on Intel integrated graphics ?( planning to build PC but I've to either wait for 3060 price to stabilize or buy an old 1050 )

[devout pendant]

@tacit laurel

[tacit laurel]

thanks!

[devout pendant]

@tacit laurel
I think Intel iGPU for DX12 starts at Skylake, but correct us if we are wrong.

[shrewd shard]

You can run UE4 on an Intel HD 4000 buuuuut the results are less than desirable

[devout pendant]

The iGPU takes-up almost one-third of the die area of the CPU.

[shrewd shard]

But also it's significantly more powerful

Though the thing I'm waiting for in APUs is so that it's not a monolithic die and you can add in better GPUs other than just ultra low end ones

[devout pendant]

AMD's desktop processors with integrated graphics are primarily intended to be a whole system replacement, with users relying on the integrated graphics for all their graphics needs. As a result AMD puts a lot more processing hardware into its integrated graphics solutions for the desktop, and it results in a good gaming experience for entry level gaming.

Intel's route on the otherhand is a bit more basic. The desktop integrated graphics here has two main directions: first, as the basic graphics needed for an office system, or second, more of a fall-back option for when the discrete card doesn't work or fails in more premium desktop systems. The power isn't there for hardcore grunt like gaming of any serious note, but it is certainly enough to cover the basics.

Despite this, with the new Xe-LP graphics solution, Intel has some aces up its sleeve. First is AV1 decoding, which allows users to watch AV1 content without putting stress on the CPU. Second is video encoding accelerationt through QuickSync, which has actually been a part of Intel's graphics for a number of years. Third is a relatively new feature: Intel's 'additional processor' mentality. Normally when a system has a discrete graphics card, the integrated graphics is disabled. But now, with its latest mobile devices for example, when Intel pairs its mobile processor with integrated graphics with a second graphics solution at about the same performance, with the right software Intel allows both graphics to work asynchrouusly on two different problems. The limit to this in the past has been dictating which graphics is the video out rather than simply a compute accelerator, but Intel believes it has worked it out. However, this is relatively little use for gaming, the topic of today.

from https://www.anandtech.com/show/16658/intels-integrated-graphics-minireview-is-rocket-lake-core-11th-gen-competitive/3

#1
talks about difference between AMD integrated graphics and Intel integrated graphics

#2
talks about why Intel Xe iGPU is "special"

[shrewd shard]

Uhhhhhh

Why do I feel like #3 is something that already existed

Many laptop GPUs already have a display and render GPU (integrated and dedicated respectively)

[devout pendant]

I have no experience with laptops, so I cannot comment.

[shrewd shard]

My old Probook 4540s was like that

[devout pendant]

http://youtu.be/2_dhGQelk0s

water-cooled eGPU in a box, for all you portable on-the-go Unreal Engine developers

[devout pendant]

Hello

https://www.elgiganten.se/product/gaming/stationar-dator-gaming/262868/hp-pavilion-tg01-1811no-stationar-dator-for-gaming#ProductSpecificationTab

Is this good for unreal

[devout pendant]

Need built-in Google Translate in Google Chrome to convert the web page to English. 😁

[hoary urchin]

8gb ram is a no go

512gb ssd, also a no go

[sturdy surge]

Hello everyone, was wondering if I could make a decent 3d heavy physics game with a build including:

i9 10900KF
RTX 3080
32 GB DDR4 3600MHZ

Thanks in advance for your input!

[foggy yarrow]

lol, on a 3080 you should be more than fine...just showing off i think 😜

[sturdy surge]

No no I was being serious. I am new to game development and don't know what all is possible with the engine and hardware.

[foggy yarrow]

Well ive been using my 1080ti with no issues whatsoever, average around 120fps in idle parts of the game in unreal editor, down to 70s at the lowest

The cpu and ssd will affect your compile times mostly, so the faster the better, the more quickly you can code and test

I recommend an NVMe M.2 drive for your main storage for windows and UE4

[sturdy surge]

I have an M.2 at 2gb. But ok, cool.

I was just trying to get an idea before dedicating time to something I may not be able to support and finish.

[foggy yarrow]

Ya honestly you should be fine with those specs for unreal. If you are still getting lag or bogged performance, its likely the code needing to be optimized in your game.

[sturdy surge]

Ok that makes sense.

Thank you for responding 🙂

[somber slate]

Amd 5900x or 5950x for Ue4 work? Does the extra 4 core helps?

[novel briar]

Help for what? More hyper-threads, faster are C++ and Shader compilations. That's more or less.

As usual, more the better, but then it is money question.

[somber slate]

@novel briar More of scene showcasing and presentation

Sorry forgot to mention

[novel briar]

To me it looks irrelevant difference then.

[somber slate]

Oh ok.

[devout pendant]

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2021/05/14/apple-airtags-hacked-again-free-internet-with-no-mobile-data-plan/amp/
Become a decent programmer, and YOU TOO can jailbreak Apple AirTags. 😆

[mental timber]

nice

[devout pendant]

https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/hardware/vanderwaals-heterostructure-flash-memory-5000-times-speedier
(your silicon replacement)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.hothardware.com/news/corsair-teases-ddr5-6400-memory-for-intel-alder-lake
dual-channel DDR5 sticks for next-gen Intel/AMD

[devout pendant]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/artificial-intelligence-taking-over-devops-functions-survey-confirms/
(A.I./ML used in coding)

[wooden cedar]

hello is it possible to run unreal engine on aws workspace if one does not have a beefy pc

[unborn pike]

do you mean running the editor or just compiling there or dedicated servers or what? 🤔

[wooden cedar]

run the editor

or both

can u configure aws to compile shader etc?

[shrewd shard]

Offloading shader compiling isn't really feasible unless you have at least gigabit connection

Even then it gets a bit over that when I have it configured to my local server

If you have a quadcore, it should be decent enough at shader compiling

[pine spruce]

Hello,
I have an PC at which i mostly work on, and I want to have a dedicated machine for packing/building projects. Could you advice me, which graphic card should i consider to buy for this situation (I already have pretty good CPU/RAM/Storage) ?

[prime loom]

If your creating a build machine you wont even need a graphics card at all if you want.

Assuming your then offloading the build product to a machine capable of running it (one with a graphics card).

[pine spruce]

Thanks for answer. I know, that question is pretty obvious, but just wanted to hear what other people thinking about this 🙂

[flat glade]

the only build-related thing a gpu does is if you are doing GPU lightmass iirc

[pine spruce]

I always though, that lightmass buid dealing on CPU renderer rather then GPU

[flat glade]

GPU lightmass is a different feature not used by default, it uses RTX features to build the static lighting data

[pine spruce]

In other words, if I would need to bake some lighting, having a decent graphic card with enabling GPU lightmass feature will increases speed of* this process ?

[flat glade]

yeah, but getting a decent gpu is very difficult these days

and I can't really say if you ~need~ somewhat faster static lighting build times

[pine spruce]

I think the "story" with graphic cards will hangs for more than half a year =/

[pine spruce]

Anyway, thanks for help 🙂

[devout pendant]

Chip fabrication factories are coming! ... will just take some time. 😆

[thin mist]

Would have been an amazing opportunity, Europe is so behind 😦

Apart from ASML of course

[pine spruce]

Yep, i know this. First, its take a LOT time to build a such factory type. Even after building - you need to hire qualified personal, calibrate most of equipment, produce multiple samples, test them and if all good - you could start manufacturing.

But here is another thing - semiconductors is only a part of pipe line production. Also factories which are manufacture graphic cards should build new factories and repeat same process as for semiconductors.

[pine spruce]

And I'm afraid that half a year it is very, very optimistic prediction..

[unborn pike]

I thought Intel is expanding their campus in Ireland too?

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/intel-to-create-1-600-irish-jobs-under-global-expansion-plan-1.4518396

[thin mist]

Do they have an actual fab there?

[unborn pike]

yea

[thin mist]

“We are accelerating investment in Europe and supporting the EU’s ambition of having 20 per cent of the world’s cutting-edge chips manufactured locally,” said Mr Sinnott.

“This investment is designed to bring Intel’s latest generation 7nm process technology to the region and expand our manufacturing operations. It will also drive economic growth in the region,” he wrote in a post published online.

Interesting

That's good news

[boreal shore]

Guys i need some help , i just cleaned dust from pc and now when i start graphics card fans are spinning , but everytime i start the pc it uses intel hd graphics . |f i put the display cable in motherboard slot it works , but attaching it to gpu isnt . any clue?

[unborn pike]

how did you clean the dust?

compressed air? Brushed it? Vacuumed?

[boreal shore]

compresed air

[unborn pike]

anyway, I'd make sure the GPU is inserted properly into the PCI-E slot

[boreal shore]

i think it is , the fans are spinning properly

it was working fine yesterday morning before reassembly

did a cmos reset too

what couldve gone wrong i wonder

[unborn pike]

did you actually remove parts for dusting? 🤔

[boreal shore]

well yeah everyhing , also needed to reapply thermal paste to cpu

[unborn pike]

wild, I've never done that

I thought you just blasted some compressed air to clear out the dust 😄

I'd check that everything is installed properly at that point

[boreal shore]

i think for some reason the gpu isnt being detected

[boreal shore]

because fans and lights are working , if connection is loose it doesnt spin .. any idea about the bios settings if possible?

[unborn pike]

so recheck that it's inserted into the PCI-E slot

fans usually power up if the device gets any power at all

[boreal shore]

i'd consider thats true

[unborn pike]

but the device getting power does not mean it's properly installed

and yea I suppose you should check bios settings too

disable the integrated GPU and see if it changes anything

[boreal shore]

okay , hope for the best

thanks man

[boreal shore]

yep man , the connection was loose 😶😶. now i feel so dumb i wasted half day trying to figure out the bios . tbh the outer metal lining was bent inwards , so i had to bend it outside a bit otherwise the gpu wont fit properly 😁

[unborn pike]

😄

[shrewd shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DMg6hUudHE

[shrewd shard]

So I decided today is PC day and did some mods

Cut off bits and pieces to make it look nicer, dusted off, had to reset BIOS and reconfigure the OC

But now it runs nice and I managed to squeeze off a bit extra performance while also lowering voltages so that's a win

[shrewd shard]

Not exactly optimal but at the time I paid 50 EUR less for the non-X

Also my bin is kinda buttcheeks, can't even run 4.1 stable

[devout pendant]

(binned CPUs for sale)
https://siliconlottery.com/

[shrewd shard]

That one's only for intels

[devout pendant]

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/jDdHxQXF75WStgWrQXqUQk-970-80.jpg

[devout pendant]

Silicon Lottery used to have binned AMD CPUs ... but you bastards bought them all. 😆

[shrewd shard]

I wished I got a 3000 series CPU

[devout pendant]

Is ryzen 5 good enough

[devout fox]

mostly yes, I'd recommend saving for the 5000 series CPU's though.

[silver nexus]

How important are RAM module/motherboard QVL's if you are already using the brand, but the only difference is just the size?
I have an ASRock Z370 Pro4 motherboard and I'm currently using 2 x 8GB RAM sticks of G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series DDR4-3200 CL16
I was wanting to upgrade to 64GB, however for the exact same brand of RAM, the 2 x 32GB DDR4-3200 CL16 QVL doesn't have my motherboard, and the motherboard QVL doesn't have that RAM
The QVL does have the 2 x 16GB for 32GB. So I'm wondering if even though the 64 isn't in the QVL. Should it work if it has 16 and 32? I don't see why it wouldn't have the 64

[minor veldt]

My experience has been that the closer you get to the limit the more sensitive it becomes. So a set of four non-QVL sticks can all work individually or in any pair, but all four together wouldn't boot, with the MEM light on the motherboard lighting up in red.

[frank glade]

@silver nexus no idea, but as a side note, my asrock did not recognize a ssd not on the storage list...now i just get what they say

[silver nexus]

I see, thanks for the replies. I'll stick to the qvl and upgrade to 32gb instead. Better safe than sorry

[devout pendant]

On the plus side, the new DDR5 motherboards should be able to go up to 128MB ... maximum of 1TB RAM (theoretically).
I believe what I read is that each single DDR5 stick will have a higher density, so a theoretical 1TB total system RAM on the motherboard should be possible.

There's also this new "ATX12VO" thing ... which would require new PSUs and motherboards.

I am still unsure if they will hit mainstream ... but it looks like maybe?

I am just waiting and seeing.

[devout pendant]

Motherboards might have a QVL for compatible PSUs. 😆 lol ... ("QVL all the things!" meme)

[shrewd shard]

12VO is great

Currently on idle PCs can take up like 30-40W on complete idle due to the PSU converting all those voltages from the wall

With 12VO, those numbers can become closer to 10W

[minor veldt]

Wouldn't the exact same conversions need to happen on the motherboard instead?

[shrewd shard]

Yes, but they happen from the 12V line

Which is DC and has already very little fluctuation compared to 220V from the wall

PSUs currently convert that 220V into the voltages they put out, instead of converting to 12V first and then the rest

[minor veldt]

So 220 > {3.3, 5, 12} is worse/more lossy than 220 > 12 > {3.3, 5}?

[shrewd shard]

Yes

Also it's 3.3V and 5V

Just an FYI

[minor veldt]

Yeah, I realized that. Fixed.

[shrewd shard]

It's usually the AC-DC conversion that takes up the most inefficiency

So when you have 3 of those compared to just 1, it's a lot more inefficient

Hell, it'll help with PSU temperatures too

[minor veldt]

Any particular reason why not? Sounds like an easy improvement.

[devout pendant]

My first guess as to why Intel is so interested in ATX12VO is that it has to do with temperature.

[shrewd shard]

[devout pendant]

"DevCheck" is a good Android app for checking your phone hardware details.

[shrewd shard]

This is so peculiar

I was wondering some time ago why noone made a CPU that had half the cores hyperthreaded and half the cores not for optimal gaming + multitasking

[wind egret]

Why not hyperthread them all and isolate threads to certain cores based on urgency?

[red marsh]

https://hothardware.com/news/tsmc-and-mit-research-team-claim-1nm-chip-breakthrough

[devout pendant]

Amazing.
Good job to MIT and TSMC.

[devout pendant]

Known leaker ExecutableFix stated on Twitter that the AM5 desktop platform for Zen 4 will feature an LGA 1718 socket design, with the same 40mm x 40mm size as AM4 (suggesting that existing CPU coolers should be compatible with little fuss).


If that ends up being true, it will mark a shift from using a pin grid array (PGA) socket to a land grid array (LGA) socket, the latter of which Intel has been using for quite some time. And as for the pin count, we're looking at 18 more pins compared to Alder Lake's LGA 1700 socket.

[devout pendant]

https://hothardware.com/news/intel-alder-lake-s-atx12vo-power-supply-specs

AMD is a democracy? 😆

[unborn pike]

the switch to LGA is good

I'm on my first AMD CPU since amd athlon 64 and I already hate PGA

I managed to rip the CPU out of its socket while trying to remove the CPU cooler block

thankfully no pins broke

[devout pendant]

[unborn pike]

it's a stupid system imo 😄

the thermal paste effectively glued the CPU and the cooling block together

and since the cooling block is humongous there was no way to open the CPU locking mechanism (the lever)

[thin mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM-ED97_vKo

Could it be? Finally an all-round decent monitor technology?

Ah, he makes the point that for monitor use, a cursor would probably still cause issues with blooming/haloing.

[devout pendant]

https://www.wepc.com/gaming-monitor/guide/best-oled-monitors/

Some old CRT monitors had a transparent scanline that would crawl across the screen, to help prevent burn-in.

I think OLED monitor engineers would have to do the same ... or find another solution to burn-in.

What we regular non-engineer users could do ... is go back to using screensavers again. 😆

[unborn pike]

microled is the thing you want

micro-led is the one that has actual RGB LED pixels

mini-led is just... eh?

[thin mist]

Yeah, still extremely expensive though 😦

[unborn pike]

as were OLED displays 10 years ago 😄

[thin mist]

True 😄

[devout pendant]

https://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/May-0-2021/BestYourBuild_lkshex_24/index-landing.html

... dogecoin to buy computer hardware? 😆

[median marsh]

plasma screens had pixelshifting and other techniques for a while

but the main problem with oled is probably pixel burnout, where they get less brighter over use time

any opinions on i9-10900 vs 11900?

[shrewd shard]

10900 is better for the fact that it actually has 2 more cores

[median marsh]

the old one seems to has higher base clock and 2 more cores, while the newer one has faster memory

[shrewd shard]

Also the 10 is cheaper

[median marsh]

yea

so i guess the lower memory bandwidth isn't really noticeable

[shrewd shard]

Not really

[median marsh]

how about pciex3 vs 4?

[shrewd shard]

Depends on your GPU

[median marsh]

3060 (non ti)

[shrewd shard]

I don't think it should make a difference

It does in some higher ends but the lower ends should be fine

As long as you're on x16 properly at least

[median marsh]

ok, just wondering how much nanite will move data around, but then my bottleneck is rather the ssd

guess i'll go for the 10900 then, thanks

[vernal thicket]

11900 is absolutely not worth it for the price

when it comes to the high end AMD is a no brainer

intel really has no competition for the 5900X or the 5950X

[frank glade]

I would try to get pcie4 for the ssd speeds. But it would be AMD, not intel. I worked with some large scenes in 3ds and it was hell to work with them

[rose mauve]

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B073SBZ8YH/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B073SBZ8YH&pd_rd_w=BGSu0&pf_rd_p=22b566f7-b705-4003-ab1d-17d90225e15f&pd_rd_wg=kVbHC&pf_rd_r=EZ13S41BYKH0NZGTQXNW&pd_rd_r=b522af81-96bb-4680-a221-4f441323bc9d&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzNVRVVzJKRFpNM1M0JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwOTMzMzM0MzhBTVpENUhOWVNIJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTEwMzcyMTExUUUyRUwxMDdFVUlXJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfZGV0YWlsJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

Is this fine for a SSD?

[frank glade]

I love WD

[devout pendant]

I love large platters.
HDD 4 LYF
😆

[median marsh]

i would go for an M2 NVME ssd, you can use an PCIex adapter card if your mainboard doesn't have an M2 Slot

[maiden gorge]

@devout pendant Your mechanical drive loses 20% integrity after 3 years, it is prone to loads of mechanical issues, I work as a computer tech as a main job aside from game dev, we use SSDs for everything because they cause 0 headaches, machines we sold years ago, that people use for gaming have yet to return, the ones that do are non-SSD systems.

[devout pendant]

for gaming

[maiden gorge]

yeah

and photo editing

my main SSD lasted 5+ years of dev work, it's not about how many times it read and writes, it's the data

[median marsh]

i mean it's pretty easy. open smart monitor, note down the values of MB written, and do that again after a week, then you can make an assumption of your daily write rate and check yourself how long an SSD should last within the TBW range of a specific ssd

and i'm pretty sure you'll come up with something >10 years

[maiden gorge]

pretty much, that and the dev time = money, faster compile times means more dev time, which means more money, it's why I spend the money I do

[median marsh]

my first 80GB ssd... 31TB written, still alive, 0% media wearout

7.6 years poweron time...

[maiden gorge]

a 500GB ssd goes for like $100, if you back up as you should it's a good investment

[median marsh]

indeed^

[maiden gorge]

people happily blow a few hundred to party on weekends, but when it comes to spending that on tech you look like a rich person, lol

[median marsh]

and i doubt that any sane data center still uses HDD for something like DBs for example, which can have a lot of writes

https://www.zdnet.com/article/ssd-reliability-in-the-enterprise/

[maiden gorge]

well NAS drives are a little different

they're the only exception, and archive drives

[devout cove]

Hello mind if I ask will UE4 work on my PC (6GB ram , SSD , Nvidia 730 GT , i5 )

[devout pendant]

I mind.

[devout cove]

huh , so it won't work ?

[devout pendant]

I just meant people should ask questions, whether other people mind or don't mind. 😃

[devout cove]

ooh

hahaha

but seriously , will it work ?

[shrewd shard]

It might

But it'll be far from desirable

RAM would be the biggest issue

[devout cove]

when i change to 8gb ram will it work better ?

[shrewd shard]

Should, yeah

But if you're working on smaller project it might prove a non-issue

[devout cove]

If the problem will be on graphics , then I gonna tell my boss so someone will handle the graphics and lights

My boss insist on working UE4 and we have someone with 4gb and works fine

It's like an odd duck

lol

[shrewd shard]

It might work fine on 4 but depends on scale of project

The second you delve into more complex stuff it'll be an issue

[devout cove]

Yea Guess my boss has knowledge about this , Oh isnt that why he is trying to get a lot of members to work with it cause a lot of people don't have High PCs so everyone works in one thing that their PC can handle

or idk

[dusky swan]

Guys I have a question, is 8gb ddr3 ram better than 4gb of ddr4 ram? Or the other way around?

[wind egret]

For most purposes 8gb is better than 4. There might be a speed difference, but it's not as important as the difference when you're page swapping.

[shrewd shard]

8 GB DDR3 is better only if you have 2+ sticks

As in, it's 2x4 GB or 4x2 GB

[dusky swan]

Thx I have 2 stix in

[dusky swan]

Thanks,

Sooo, I guess I'll switch to my older laptop with 8GB ram

Or utilize it

[shrewd shard]

A laptop might not be much better

Unless it has some solid specs, like a GPU and/or CPU

[dusky swan]

Both are laptop

[shrewd shard]

Ah

[dusky swan]

Is the 8gb better one for laptop?

[shrewd shard]

Depends on CPU/GPU specs of both

[dusky swan]

8gb has 1.3 ghz. Idk how many cores
AMD 3-300 accelerated processor

4gb has 1.1 ghz probably more cores

[shrewd shard]

Ehhhhhh

[dusky swan]

I use a newer laptop

I upgraded an older one to put it to use

I have Asus vivobook flip 14 tp401ma
For the 4gb one

[shrewd shard]

The 4 GB one is kinda worst case scenario then

[dusky swan]

:0

Ehhhhhhhhehehehhhehehheehehherehehh idk.

Thanks btw

[frigid heath]

if i walk down to the recycle center here i can prolly pick up better hardware for free

might not be the case in ur country tho

[dusky swan]

WHAT!??!?

WHAT COUNTRY ARE U IN??

[frigid heath]

Netherlands

i dunno much about laptop stats, but i tossed or rejected many PCs with 16gig

could have picked up 100s of 8gig ram pcs for free and that was years ago

[dusky swan]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT THE R7U3HCIXWIJ3NE

16 GIG!???

I am in the United States Of America

Where GPU's will sell out 3 seconds after restock

[frigid heath]

if you run dated hardware here for too long the power cost wil set you back more than new hardware, lot of tax of that

well 4 gig is really dated, pretty sure u can pick up sum better from somewhere

[dusky swan]

Maybe if I ever build a pc

[frigid heath]

well new hardware is never free

[shrewd shard]

I managed to pick up a really good server some time ago

Still use it today and has been a solid PC

[frigid heath]

i often run used hardware if i can get a good deal

as soon as they open the box its -30%

i go about 60% max on newprice

some ppl just want the best and they wil upgrade every year

you need to know ur stuff to spot the good deal tho, often its just way to pricey for dated hardware, but sometimes u get top notch brands for a discount

[devout pendant]

Some retail stores like Best Buy or NewEgg will sell open-box products at a discount.

It is one type of deal that is good to find, while shopping.

[frigid heath]

yea i also value store warranty as something(sometimes its worthless tho), there is still factory warranty sometimes if not

[magic bison]

👀 There's a hardware chat ?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742794876000796813/844432557533691934/IMG_0793.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742794876000796813/823758420233551892/IMG_9216.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742794876000796813/823758402852880404/IMG_9201.jpg

VV XPG Gammix S70 2tb, if you need a fast ssd, this is it. VV
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742794876000796813/823288594797297674/IMG_9115.jpg

[devout pendant]

A fast SSD would have heatsinks/fans, so that it could run faster and not overheat. 😆

[median marsh]

looks like it comes with a heatsink attached

[devout pendant]

@median marsh

[devout pendant]

PCIe v4 x16, NVMe v1.3 ... ... never seen such an SSD saturate 16 lanes of PCIe v4 traffic.

I still cannot believe it.

I doubt there is full saturation, however ... but I would like to see it, in real life.

---

Intel and AMD are coming with PCIe v5, for their next sockets ... so I would enjoy seeing some SSDs spread their wings on that bus.

[magic bison]

It did, I took it off so I could use the one that came with the motherboard.

Not that heat management is in any way how one mesures the speed of an SSD.

[devout pendant]

I'm still using platters, bro.
Speed is for geeks.
joking

[median marsh]

i'm still struggling to find a good price/value cpu 😄

turns out the 10900 only has 16 pci ex lanes, which with gpu + 2x nvme ssd's isnt optimal

[devout pendant]

Are you saying that the CPU is your bottleneck?

I believe newer Intel/AMD CPUs allow 16 lanes for GPU and 4 lanes for SSD.

Not sure two SSDs can have their own dedicated groups-of-lanes.

[wind egret]

You'd have to be doing something pretty interesting to need the full 7gbps for each of two PCIe4 SSDs.

[median marsh]

me? first of all it's pci ex 3.0 only

2nd its 2x samsung evo 970 and curenntly an rtx3060

i just don't want to have a bottleneck somewhere, my current 3rd gen i7 has 40 pci ex lanes, so it would be a shame if something gets slower...

[devout pendant]

Just unplug those SSDs and GPU ... buy a new CPU/motherboard (when you get the money) ... then plug them back in.

Bottleneck solved.

[wind egret]

But on a pcie4 mobo the pcie3 SSDs would be the bottleneck. 🤔

[magic bison]

Ryzen 3700x

[wind egret]

first gen threadrippers are cheaper than first gen ryzens
'splain please

[median marsh]

yea the 3900x looks interesting

[magic bison]

first gen TR is garbage do not bother

even 2nd gen.. past the lowest end chip it's worthless

[median marsh]

actually i could also go for the 5900x

i don't bother paying 100 bucks more if the system lasts for a while, my current i7 is 9 years old, so...

[devout pendant]

Save-up your money, and get top-of-the-line ... then buy a UPS for insurance.
Worth it.
Will last you years.

(personal opinion)
(not expert advice)

[devout pendant]

wtf
Slow down, guys.

maraavel

[serene pond]

if im looking to build a new PC, is it that time again where I should be waiting on DDR5 to come out? Currently I have a 2014 old build that's barely able to carry UE

[rose mauve]

DDR4 OR 5

both are cool

For ue5 atleast

I guess take 4 but 32-64 gigs

If you're buying anything wait 1 month, new stuff will come out then repeat this process until you're frustrated and buy

XD

Don't do that

[wind egret]

DDR5 will be more expensive and you only upgrade every 7 years. I don't think there's any harm in getting something current unless you're deliberately getting a 4-core and planning to upgrade from that in a year or two.

[rose mauve]

DDR4 will work just fine till DDR6 comes out

So better take 4

With more gigs

[serene pond]

Awesome

[median marsh]

wonder what your current build is

[devout pendant]

You could ask him/her what his/her current build is.

[high axle]

Hello ... I brought a new Mobo..do you know if I have to format or no..?

[novel briar]

No

[frigid heath]

make sure u link ur windows version to ur email

upgrading mobo can mess ur windows regisration up

[scarlet solar]

I’m getting a new laptop for graduation

Should I get a 2020 Razer Blade 15 from Amazon

[uneven granite]

what will you be doing on it

[scarlet solar]

Using UE4 and or 5

[uneven granite]

hmmmm

lemme check out the specs

it should be good

you might wanna get a 1TB nvme ssd to add on

because it only has 256gb

[shrewd shard]

Do you absolutely need the mobility?

[uneven granite]

that is what I was going to ask

but idk cuz gpus are really hard to find anyways

[shrewd shard]

Do keep in mind mobile versions are significantly less powerful than their desktop counterparts

[scarlet solar]

I couldn’t find the one with the specs I desire but there’s a asus laptop on sale for $1300 with 16gb and 1tbssd

[shrewd shard]

An RTX 3080 in a laptop might be closer to desktop 3060

[scarlet solar]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-zephyrus-m15-15-6-4k-ultra-hd-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-1tb-ssd-prism-black/6403817.p?skuId=6403817

[uneven granite]

lemme check this out

that is a bit better

yeah I would go for that if you 100% NEED the mobility

[scarlet solar]

Ok thanks

[uneven granite]

but if you don't then if possible maybe go for an ITX build so it is possible to move if you are going out for more than a day or something but you couldnt take it to like a starbucks because you'd need a monitor

[devout pendant]

I read that the desktop RTX 3080 has GDDR6X while the laptop RTX 3080 has GDDR6.

[devout pendant]

A USB-C Thunderbolt 3 or 4 monitor would work with a mini-desktop.
Maybe buy magnet holders for the computer case, and let the monitor sit in the holders ... or some other solution you can think of.

[devout pendant]

This monitor only comes with a USB-C cable, so I think it's another Thunderbolt portable monitor.

Asus makes the ZenScreen ... a portable monitor.

[median marsh]

also depends on the project you work on, 16gb can be quite challenging

specially if you do 3d models on your own and want to be able to switch between maya/blender and UE

[restive fable]

What should be my pc spec for making AAA game?

[median marsh]

xD

[restive fable]

XD

Plzz ans

[median marsh]

well, the minimum specs recommended by epic probably

[restive fable]

4 gm of ram and no graphics card

*gb

[median marsh]

thats not what epic recommends...

https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.26/en-US/Basics/RecommendedSpecifications/

64 GB RAM
256 GB SSD (OS Drive)
2 TB SSD (Data Drive)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
Xoreax Incredibuild (Dev Tools Package)
Six-Core Xeon E5-2643 @ 3.4GHz```

the notes are a bit outdated, but except for the GPU it should be fine

would recommend a GPU with at least 8GB video memory

also If you don't have access to Xoreax Incredibuild (Dev Tools Package), we recommend compiling with a machine having 12 to 16 cores

[restive fable]

@median marsh thank you very much

[median marsh]

if you work solo i would get away from AAA-game idea... that's pretty much impossible or takes years

and you'll have to source out a lot of tasks

[devout pendant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/614169734434258956/811347361212399646/unknown.png

Even Valheim required more than one developer.
It was a small team that knew what it was doing.

... maybe four developers (at least)? ... maybe more?

[median marsh]

5 devs

and who knows what was outsourced... (thinking of stuff like voice acting, mocap, etc.)

[devout pendant]

[vernal thicket]

intel is going to be releasing their Xe DG2 graphics card Q4 2021 to Q1 2022

potentially around the performance of RTX 3070 for MSRP of $350-400

although with the current market they could get away with any price

[devout pendant]

I read that their high-end GPU will be roughly equivalent to an RTX 3080, but with 16GB GDDR6 VRAM.

Either way, I might build an Intel rig around Alder Lake and Xe DG2 for maximum compatibility.

I still want to see how warm or cool Alder Lake runs.

If DDR5 will be too expensive, I might just build a Comet Lake rig with RTX 3070 and lots of DDR4.

I'm afraid of Rocket Lake and afraid of GDDR6X temperatures. 😆

[royal prism]

RTX A6000 or RTX 8000 better than RTX 3090?

[shrewd shard]

A6000 > 3090, 8000 < 3080

Also, depends on the price

Might not exactly be worth to grab an A6000

It's not much better than the 3090, it's only about +10%

[devout pendant]

I am seeing rumors about an RTX 3090 ti.

[royal prism]

Another question, anyone know how many cores does UE5 use in same time?

[shrewd shard]

I have an 8 core and it seems to use them all

When doing cross compiling (involving my server too) it can take up all 8 + 6 cores

I haven't set up cross shader compiling however

I think you had the option to say how many shader workers spawn, so there's that

It might be possible to use the entirety of a 32+ core threadripper

Either way, more cores means at the very least faster compile times

However you also need RAM per core

2 GB per core is manageable but I'd recommend 4 instead for development

[novel wedge]

https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/164573/how-many-cores-does-ue4-support.html
TLDR: It supports multithreading so it will use as many cores as you can throw at it

[devout pendant]

https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.26/en-US/API/Runtime/Core/GenericPlatform/FGenericPlatformMisc/NumberOfCoresInc-/

😃

[agile lodge]

https://expo.thermaltake.com/2021june/

[devout pendant]

Developers want that sexy RTX support. 😆

zomgz
What a meme.

… but "ultra-high endurance" SSDs would be nice for gamers, too.

[lyric pine]

What would a mid range build for UE5 look like?

I would like to get away with spending about $1500

my current PC works fine for UE4 but it does seem to struggle with UE5 and it doesn't have ray tracing capable hardware either

[median marsh]

depends on what you can use from your existing system and what you want to do with UE

[frank glade]

1500$ is just how much a 3060 costs here 😆

[shrewd shard]

There's no exactly "midrange" build for UE4

And those 1500$ depend on your location

If you can snag a 6700XT close to MSRP, I'd start from that

And also if those 1500$ have to include peripherals

[lyric pine]

I don't think I can get away with my GPU or CPU

or motherboard

I have a crap ton of storage so I probably don't need more

I also have decent RAM so I can carry that over

I have all peripherals, keyboard, mouse, a wifi adaptor, a monitor

[shrewd shard]

CPU is important for shader compilation and what not

Latest GPU for latest technologies (assuming you'll use them)

[median marsh]

well, but what kind of memory?! DDR3/DDR4 which speed?

and how much of it

[devout cove]

Does anyone know UE5 system requirements ?

[agile lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ge-force-rtx-3080ti-ti-gpu-gif-21776635

[devout cove]

what's this, believe its not related to my question lol

[agile lodge]

new card

[devout cove]

ooh thought u were telling me that Thats needed for UE5 since u answered right after me hahaha

[agile lodge]

nvidia had computex stream but hey with UE5 the more power you have more power you safe

[devout cove]

https://www.pcgamer.com/ue5-unreal-engine-5-game-sizes/

is this true

that's the engine is 100gb size

ooh it means the games that are developed using UE5 will be massive like 100gb

lol

[fervent jolt]

Except it's actually only 25GB but yeah still looking at something like multiple GB of art assets per minute of gameplay for unique scenery

[hexed matrix]

Is there much of a difference between dual vs quad channel ram for unreal? I'm thinking of building another rig for my friend getting into unreal and i'm not sure if it's worth going for a quad chan setup

[icy sundial]

hey, doesn't anyone use its NAS for direct workspace/edit-in-place ? what are your specs ?

[shrewd shard]

5700XT/2070 Super was recommended to download the demo project

However, I comfortably run all the new features on a 1070Ti, albeit with some dips in framerate

[median marsh]

they are the same as for UE4, just nanite and lumen require at least a maxwell nvidia gpu, not sure about amd cards

[wind egret]

What would gamers do with high-endurance SSDs?
A single chia plot uses up 1.6 terabytes of writes. Your game would need to be writing 3.4 GB saves every minute over an 8 hour gaming session to equal only one plot.

...Which is possible, but imagine some poor gamer with a HDD trying to run your game. Oof.

[median marsh]

no one really needs them, but crypto nerds are going to fundraise the production lines for them by buying them in large quantities 😄

[devout pendant]

[novel briar]

128 cores being a norm, 1 GiB of Cache 3

[devout pendant]

http://youtu.be/bvlK_Wc_aYo

[shrewd shard]

I just saw the most bizarre old school mobo

https://www.asrock.com/mb/ULi/K8 Combo-Z/

Supports 2 different sockets for some sort of upgrade path I guess

[novel briar]

https://www.neowin.net/news/intel-ceo-says-semiconductor-shortage-could-last-years/

[pale nacelle]

I overclocked my gpu, did I do it right?

[devout pendant]

It would be cool to use old CPUs in new motherboards using old sockets.

There could be the new motherboards with new sockets ... then, on the side, there could be new motherboards that "re-use" your old CPUs for other things.
Not sure what.

I feel like we already spent our money on old CPUs.
Might as well use them for something ... I'm sure there is some sort of processing they could do.

You could make a cloud server, with your old CPU.

[unborn pike]

I wonder how 3d stacking of chips works from a thermals standpoint

I mean, where does the heat go?

usually there's a giant cooling block directly above a chip

now in that 3d chiplet design there's another chip

[devout pendant]

I don't know.
In that Gamers Nexus video, I heard Steve mention "copper-on-copper" ... so my brain was thinking that the heat would transfer from bottom to top, through the copper, then the heat could get dissipated at the top.

If future CPUs were blocky, I could imagine that a CPU cooler would try to touch the top and sides of the CPU for maximum heat transfer/dissipation.

[devout pendant]

http://youtu.be/nF1wAu7NLbU

[novel briar]

lmao

Yeah, but I'm sceptical in the quality.

[shrewd shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtkk-_0jrPU

[devout pendant]

I'm not a fan of GDDR6X.
It runs too hot.

Future GPU cards will be able to ray-trace better than the 3090 ... but without the hot VRAM.

[shrewd shard]

3080Ti is like

A 3090

But without the part that makes a 3090 good

[devout pendant]

The MSRP is the same as the RTX 2080 ti.

The RTX 3080 TI is actually cheaper than the RTX 2080 TI, if factoring-in inflation / taking inflation into consideration.

It does use more electricity ... so maybe your power bill might be higher ... depends on how cheap your electricity is.

[shrewd shard]

So Linus decided to go ahead and suck off Novideo

All the use cases for the 80Ti are so niche and at that price premium it's insane

What the fuck is he thinking

[wind egret]

Getting a card at MSRP is a bit implausible at this point. It's better than buying a 3080 at $1400 USD (or 2000 in some places)

[shrewd shard]

The 80Ti will get scalped too

It won't escape that

[hexed matrix]

Soooo is 12 GB vram enough for a large project with unreal? or does it matter less now with the whole grid based load in load out stuff?

[shrewd shard]

Lumen is really memory intensive, some people go over their total VRAM from simple scenes with 6 GB

12 GB matters, but don't pay the stupid amount for the 3080Ti

[devout pendant]

I actually found a difference between Microsoft DirectStorage and nVIDIA RTX IO.

I wonder if Unreal Engine 5 will get to play with Microsoft DirectStorage in Summer 2021.

[devout pendant]

16GB RTX 3080? ... nice ... but if it's GDDR6X, I'm not interested.

[stoic garnet]

3080 ... 3080 TI ... 3080 Super.. Has NVIDIA HQ been flooded with cocaine and booze? The amount of variations fo these new GPU's is bonkers

Instead of focusing on bolstering component counts for 3080, they're spreading the already scarce chips between three different versions. Screw the consumers I guess...?

[shrewd shard]

They already screwed the consumers by releasing a 3090 without the good part of the 3090

[steep cairn]

so gamers nexus said, ue4 could make use of a 3080ti or 90 because of the extra ram

is that remotely true?

i thought UE4 shader compiling was CPU bound

[pale nacelle]

whats the best not $3000 gpu right now?

[shrewd shard]

GN said that the 3090 can be useful for gamedev, but the 3080Ti has limits due to the VRAM

You might as well call it a gaming oriented 3090, except the price tag slapped on it is ridiculous

[steep cairn]

ok so why would i want a 3090?

right now i have a 1080 in a laptop, i am mostly waiting on CPU

[devout pendant]

http://youtu.be/1jJStXc-ebY

[frigid heath]

dunno if the extra Vram will speed up unreal

mayB in some cases

i think its more hoidini and some stuff in blender

heavy sim stuff

what i know about VRam is that if you dont max it it speeds up nothing

soo movie style sequencer with lot of 8k textures and it will prolly help

[shrewd shard]

3090 is great for production in general

8 GB gets filled up almost entirely with Lumen

More complex scenes further make this "worse"

[flat glade]

woof, I wish I could build that

don't buy the 3080ti (it's horribly overpriced)

[novel briar]

Iunno why for some reason many people think they need top-notch GPU to develop games or to certain extent, play them.

[flat glade]

I know a pro who devs on a 970

[novel briar]

Need that myth debunked

[flat glade]

unless you are doing insane art stuff I really don't think you need a 30 series at all honestly

[frigid heath]

futureproof is not a thing, buy what fits in ur budget

[flat glade]

the cpu will be awesome though, 32 threads!

main benefit being compiling shaders/c++ code

[frigid heath]

and blenderrenders

lots of things wil benefit

[flat glade]

also, you will probably need 64 gb to use all 32 threads at once in a c++ build

each thread needs like 1.5gb iirc

[frigid heath]

you can get a decent rig and put the rest aside for in 3 years

[flat glade]

if you can reasonably, yeah

but ram is pretty pricey

that's really a pro workstation-tier build though

if you ask me

[frigid heath]

price/performance the top end is allways so much more expensive

in 3 years thats mid end again and u can get it for 60% what u would pay now

prolly less with the weird times we live in now

buy what fits ur budget and be happy with it 🙂

[novel briar]

What others said. Budget. If you don't care about money, fine go buy whatever. Otherwise, you can go with really lower tier card & hardware and be fine for the next 6 years.

[frigid heath]

plan on not bein full broke the next 6 years so if you do NEED u can get

[flat glade]

"I want the best thing I can buy but not too much money"

kind of a dilemma

I guess "will the extra money matter?" is what you are asking here

a GPU really isn't a huge part of the UE4 workflow, it just means you can render fancier stuff in realtime

[frigid heath]

95% of the time it really doesnt matter

becouse ur reading stuff and u can do that on a pad

[flat glade]

it doesn't make anything "faster" beyond maybe GPU lightmass (who cares with lumen being a thing now)

CPU/ram/ssd seriously do matter for compilation times

[frigid heath]

gamedev is a whole lot of reading

[flat glade]

go for a CPU with decent thread count (you already are)

I'm on 8 threads/16gb ram and I'm not slowed down much

unless I goof it and have to do a full source bui;d

5000 C++ files

[frigid heath]

if u can cut 200$ and get a better chair you will have a better setup 🙂

[flat glade]

lol, yeah

also buying software you might need for whatever reason

[shrewd shard]

Let the source build compile and go to make lunch, it'll be done when you're back

[frigid heath]

ur rig is real decent allready

[flat glade]

which CPU? that seriously matters much more than your gpu

[shrewd shard]

Deffo a bottleneck then

4 cores are not enough for development these days unless you're ready to wait a lot

[flat glade]

so, in a nutshell

moar cores = good

you might want 1.5gb of ram per thread if you are serious about c++ compile times (can always upgrade ram later too)

gpu hardly matters unless you are doing insane art stuff

when C++ gets compiled it splits the work up between every thread (usually each core handles two threads)

so my 4 core cpu has 8 working threads

[novel briar]

Comparing top of the line with anything else is useless. You should compare 3090 bringing say 10% improvement over 3080, but having the 30% price (or so) increase instead. Also, does really 3070 is so bad it is useless?

[flat glade]

yeah, "outshines" might be true for stupidly high end workflows but seriously a 3070 will absolutely stomp everything you do

a 3090 will not make your life any better staring at this

[novel briar]

Aye, damn, even staying with your current 1080 is viable option if you are short on money. If you are doing shaders/C++... increase your CPU cores instead.

[flat glade]

yeah, that 1080 is hardly outdated

are you doing gamedev stuff for school?

[shrewd shard]

The 3070 has limited amount of VRAM tho

The cores are great, but the VRAM is simply not enough

Especially for gamedev

[flat glade]

be aware I'm talking about RAM not VRAM here with the c++/cpu stuff

[shrewd shard]

You'll be better off with any RX 6000 GPU

[novel briar]

6000s have more

I see no point to discuss it further, there were good points made.

[devout pendant]

https://www.workstationspecialist.com/recommended-computer-workstation-for-unreal-engine-4/

That web page could be an advertisement in disguise.

https://www.apps4rent.com/blog/unreal-engine-system-requirements/
This place might allow Unreal developing in the cloud.
Not sure.

[flat glade]

that article is outdated as hell

[devout pendant]

How about this?

https://www.assembla.com/game-dev

Assembla looks like it lets you run game engines in the cloud.

[median marsh]

that looks more like version control in the cloud

[scarlet solar]

Is 16gb and 1tb ssd enough for console game projects?

[median marsh]

the 16gb ssd might be a bit too smol, but the 1tb will do 😛

it depends on your project, if you have a large openworld map you'll most likely want more system memory

if you do small levels which are each their own you should be good with 16gb in most cases

theres good reason that epic workstations have usually 64gb memory and that they tell that in the system requirements docs

[devout pendant]

https://mountcg.com/get-the-best-unreal-engine-system-requirements/
old web page from Google search results

[devout pendant]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Unreal-Engine-200

[flat glade]

who recommends using incredibuild? weird

[shrewd shard]

Tbh Incredibuild is quite nice with how plug-and-play it is, but the licensing fees on it are bonkers

Actually, things have changed now

Their site is completely overhauled since last I checked

[median marsh]

i only did a short readup about it, but it looks like it can distribute compiling over several nodes in the network

if you have 20 workstations within your office, and some of them are idle or have low load, this could compile incredible fast

[shrewd shard]

Yeah, but it also requires the network bandwidth

I was maxing out my 1 gbps adapter between just PC and server

And it also overheated from the continuous usage

[median marsh]

ok, probably also depends on where it pulls it data from

the network chipset overheated?

[shrewd shard]

I have 2.5 gbps and used it a bit with Incredibuild and things properly improved with no idling

Yeah

[median marsh]

wow 😄

is that an onboard nic or pci ex?

[shrewd shard]

I literally stopped having any network for like half a minute at a time

The 1 gbps is onboard, 2.5 gbps is additional PCIe card

[median marsh]

what brand?

i was considering getting 10gbit cards ;/

[shrewd shard]

Both are Realtek chips

[median marsh]

ah ok

[shrewd shard]

One is 8111, the other 8125

I believe

I picked up 2x 2.5 gbps cards for rather cheap from Aliexpress

20 cm PCIe riser + 1.5m network cable + 2x PCIe cards came out to 35 EUR

[median marsh]

ok, thats really cheap

[shrewd shard]

Had to get the riser because my graphics card covers both 1x slots

But yeah

I have a 2.5 gbps connection between server and PC now

It's faster than what the HDD can read/write so I'll take that

[median marsh]

yea 10gbit only makes sense with ssd (or raid)

[shrewd shard]

Tbh I don't have any extra PCIe lanes so 10 gbps is something I can't even use for the time being

2.5 gbps works off of PCIe 2 x1

10 gbps requires x4 I believe

[median marsh]

hmm, probably depends also on pciex version

pciex 3.0 is 0.985 GB/s per lane

so thats already faster than the network bandwidth

not sure how much overhead theres internal, if any

wait my brain is dead

10gbit is ~ 1.25GB

[shrewd shard]

Just checked to see if there's anything on Ali for 10 gbps and yeah

There actually is

You have one option of NVMe to 10 gbps and a PCIe 2 x8 card for a grand total of 51$

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002364170004.html

Though the wording on the NVMe card is kinda sus

[median marsh]

also the size and no coolant on it is sus

not to mention the connector which doesn't look like twisted pairs

[shrewd shard]

Yeah, kinda sus

But there's other options for 10 gbps and they seem to be Intel genuine

[median marsh]

further down it says 1000mbps transmission speed

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/Hcd5ee2f49d8f4c4e83fb75aa7d46850aL.jpg

[shrewd shard]

Yeah

Hella sus

But, there's other options

But either way, if you get a 10 gbps card and an NVMe ethernet card, it might be worth something

[median marsh]

Mini PCI-E to Gigabit Ethernet Network Card & 10 Gbps Network Card

well, the description already tells it away actually

so the nvme thing is just GBit

[shrewd shard]

Yeah

Still, it's a 10 gbps card for 51$

(+ shipping obviously)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33007564541.html

10 gbps only for 42$

You deffo have options

[median marsh]

yea the cheapest one from local sellers are ~$100

[shrewd shard]

I myself would wait for when I have a proper high end system with many lanes since my current PC is a bottleneck there

There's a reason I like my server more, it has a free x16 and x4 slots for whatever I find

[median marsh]

yea its part of my system upgrade struggle, my current 3rd gen i7 has 40 pciex lanes

something similar is pretty expensive actually if it should last for a while -.-

newer i7's only got 20 lanes which are occupied by gpu + nvme

[shrewd shard]

Yeah, I've been wanting to upgrade to a Threadripper or the likes

[median marsh]

unless you pay $200 more for an core-x

threadripper is also "only" 24 lanes

[shrewd shard]

I don't care for fps, I need more production

Ryzen is 24

[median marsh]

at least pci ex 4.0

[shrewd shard]

Threadripper is 64

[median marsh]

oh, nvm sorry

[shrewd shard]

It's aight

I currently have a mere Ryzen in a smaller form factor

About as limited as I can be

[median marsh]

oh wew, the newer threadrippers actually have 128 lanes 😄

[shrewd shard]

Yeah

Big bois

I want to get one of em beauties but also it's just so much money especially for me

If I could grab CPU + mobo + extra memory I would

My GPU is aight for the moment

[median marsh]

for me it would be 10900X or ryzen 5900x

[shrewd shard]

Kinda

[median marsh]

anything else is way too expensive

[shrewd shard]

Tbh I dream but I'm not ruling it out

Who knows how big my project becomes

Hell, who knows when they appear on second hand market

If I find a second hand Threadripper for cheap, even first gen, chance is I'll snag it

[median marsh]

for now i'll live with the risk that "compiling shaders" will burn in on my display some day 😄

because it shows for soo long

[shrewd shard]

Go to UE5 and have it burned in smaller text

And a progress bar

[devout pendant]

You can't minimize Unreal Engine while compiling shaders?

[frigid heath]

there is a checkbox to use cpu when minimized

is off by default cuz global warming and shit

[devout pendant]

You could set Unreal Engine to be "low priority" for the CPU, so the operating system won't focus so much on Unreal Engine while it's minimized or in-the-background.

... or use something like Prio or Process Hacker to remember your process/IO priority.

https://sharkpillow.com/post/unreal-low/
Unreal Engine in "potato mode". 😆

http://youtu.be/mwVW0meSsYg

[median marsh]

NVidia invents DLSS, AMD at press conference "and demonstrating once again, AMD is capable of driving the game industry forward"

what a bunch of fools 😄

[wind egret]

Don't count on it looking as good as DLSS. Important thing is whether it's better than normal upsampling, because that was DLSS 1.0's problem.

[devout pendant]

At the very least, at the very minimum, it will be a framerate-booster ... and it will work on non-AMD cards.

That, by itself, will be a nice benefit. 😆

[dull marsh]

nvidia left a sour taste in my mouth. if the new cards were released at original msrp, they would have stole the show.

[rich wharf]

can i use dlss on my 2070? 😐

[shrewd shard]

Yep

[rich wharf]

oo this i must do 😄

[devout pendant]

You can also use AMD FSR.

[minor veldt]

I'm looking forward to FSRifying my DLSS frames.

[wind egret]

360 fps in 8k, go for it

[minor veldt]

Which Display Port version would be required for that? Alternatively, how many cables?

[wind egret]

Hadn't thought about that. If you wanted actual 360hz, I think there's only a few 1080p panels that do that? You'd need 16 of them to get 8k. (!!)

[minor veldt]

But I want it in a sub-40" panel. The DPI is gonna be insane.

[wind egret]

Sounds just about adequate for VR if you put your nose to the monitor.

[shrewd shard]

I don't think a graphics card exists that supports that much bandwidth

[devout pendant]

nVIDIA was advertising 360Hz along with their nVIDIA Reflex technology ... and I'm sure every 360Hz monitor with nVIDIA Reflex would also have to have a GSync chip in it.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/technologies/360-hz/

Oh ... it's stylized as "G-Sync".
Sorry, nVIDIA.

I guess LCDs are the only panels that can go up to 360Hz (so far) ... but OLED panels have nicer colors.

[devout pendant]

Intel likes FSR?

[candid timber]

@devout pendant As I've said - I'm on a budget so my initial plan was to either get this:
https://www.amazon.de/Crucial-CT1000P2SSD8-Internes-2400-NAND/dp/B089DNM8LR/ref=sr_1_4?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=3HO3RP1CNDE4G&dchild=1&keywords=crucial+m2+1tb&qid=1619100969&s=computers&sprefix=crucial+m2+%2Ccomputers%2C200&sr=1-4
or this
https://geizhals.at/samsung-ssd-980-1tb-mz-v8v1t0bw-a2485468.html?hloc=at

no idea about their performance tho. haven't looked into that yet

hmm

any specific ssd you'd recommend?

hmm

ahh, that's not great

lol

i mean, at the moment I only have a 500 gb ssd as a system drive

Which was fine until now. But it's getting way too cramed

oh lol

I generally simply save games on the 2tb hdd.

These days Tripple A titles have 100+gbs and saving them on the ssd ... it's just too expensive imo

is ancient the new demo?

the ue5 one?

ah

i didn't even bother downloading 100gb. not gonna wait an entire day to download a demo

that's surprising tbh

What gpu/ram config do you have?

interesting

actually quite similar to my rtx 2070

how does it run framerate wise?

decent

hehe

I don't think I'll upgrade my gpu before the rtx 4000 series.

alright, I'm defenitely gonna look for another one then

ouch

lol

But yeah, I'm probably gonna order the ssd in 2 weeks when I have more time on my hands to actually reset the pc. until then I'll have to suffer with the slow compile times I gues.

I don't have to but I'd like to.

The system has been running like this since I built it 2 years ago

and there's a lot of junk on it that needs to be whiped

but i'll see

and I need to switch out thermal paste. the cpu is running way too hot

63°C on medium load isn't great

especially considering the gpu is sitting at 36

[median marsh]

about the SSD question, i've the 970 evo for a while now and i'm satisfied :>

as lorash said, for gamedev you don't need the top tier high speed ones, the main improvement is the access/seek time

[grand juniper]

Guys which SSD is best? I am tired trying beautiful brands and each one is loosing bit rates when it comes to unreal build process

currently my SAMSUNG 970 EVO MZ-V7E1T0BW 1TB is touching +70 degrees

[devout pendant]

M.2 cooler! 😃

copper pipes + aluminum fins + a powered fan = wow!

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/icy-box-big-block-cooler-for-tiny-m2-2280-ssds-heatsink-heat-pipes-fan
Did [Tom's Hardware] review this M.2 cooler?
Wow.

[median marsh]

with or without cooler/heatsink?

i've a old heatsink from a psu or something bound on top of my evo, and it barely gets hotter than 55°C under load, with ~40°C idle

the icybox is really much overkill

in fact, ssd's require less energy to write a cell when warmer

[grand juniper]

I have without heatsink

[grand juniper]

This is nice but I am sure it will damage the motherboard

the motherboard has not the back plate for this

this comes with a motherboard to hold cpu heatsink

and I have no idea about that ssd heatsink...

[devout pendant]

You are just referring to M.2 SSDs.

The other SSDs are PCIe SSD cards.

They usually come with heatsinks ... with/without a fan.

---

[median marsh]

is the ssd mounted on the downside of the mainboard?

the thing on the right, kinda looks like it

[devout pendant]

It's a Gigabyte Aorus.

Gigabyte also makes M.2 SSDs with copper heatsinks.

SSDs come in all shapes and sizes and flavors and colors ... like humans! 😆

[median marsh]

i meant the photo of the mainboard from c0r37py

right of the cpu heatsink mount is another heatspreader, which could be an ssd?!

[celest cobalt]

but do they have rgb?

rgb is the new racing stripe

[celest cobalt]

and this one hardly counts. there's basically no led space on it

rgb everything. rgb ram, rgb motherboard, rgb cables, rgb rgb/fan controller

rgb rgb leds

[devout pendant]

someone on this discord server:
"So, do you guys recommend getting the RTX 3070 TI??"

[shrewd shard]

And the LTT review?

[devout pendant]

You can post it.
My game match popped, so I have to play now.

You guys carry on without me.

---

[shrewd shard]

"I hate it when my metalhead dad fights my lesbian mom"

-- commenter on GN's vid

[devout pendant]

I didn't know AMD is doing a Zen 3 refresh with 3D Vcache, before they release Zen 4.

It's always a game of chess, isn't it?

🤓

[frank glade]

Should I get the oculus quest 2 + link or the reverb g2?

🤔

[devout pendant]

[novel briar]

I wonder... "APC Easy UPS 2200VA" vs "FSP Group IFP2000".
Need some UPS with over 1.2 kW output and DIN output(s).

[shrewd shard]

Watching Linus discuss the Tie at the WAN Show and doubling down on his take has made me lose trust in him

I just don't believe he's missing the point this hard and actually comparing apples to oranges

"The Tie is great value at MSRP compared to the current market" but he's missing the point that the Tie is getting marked up too

3080s in stock here cost 1300€ at retail, Ties are 2300€

If the Tie was at MSRP or at least equivalent price here, hell yeah

But it isn't

He's lost the plot entirely

[devout pendant]

Linus Sebastian is not the end-all be-all.

Take him as [one of many] sources of opinion and/or reviews.

You listen to multiple sources, look at the facts/evidence, then use your own critical thinking skills to come to a conclusion.

[shrewd shard]

I know he isn't, I'm just amazed how far off he is this time around and keeps sticking to his take

Previously he apologised for things like the PS5 but now he keeps parroting the same point over and over

It's like he's trying very hard to prove he isn't wrong

[devout pendant]

Turn-off your notifications from him, for a bit ... take a break, for a while.

[frank glade]

Here the Ti is cheaper than any 3080, because of the hash rate limiter. I guess theres a lot of miners locally

[shrewd shard]

Are you comparing cards that are actually in stock?

I can see listing for 3080 at 800€ but it isn't available

Same for the Tie

There's an option for 1400€ that isn't in stock

[frank glade]

yup, but every retailer here decided to triple the prices months ago without any shame. so most 3000 series are in stock, 2500E for a 3080, while 3080 Ti are about 2100E

[shrewd shard]

Damn

AMDs don't have as much markup here

[frank glade]

same here

[shrewd shard]

It was possible to find a 6900XT for close to 1500€

But the price upmarking scales up with MSRP for nvidias

[frank glade]

last time I used an AMD gpu I had serious driver issues with dcc programs sadly

the only way Im every buying a 3000 is from evga

https://eu.evga.com/products/ProductList.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+30+Series+Family&chipset=RTX+3080+Ti

where prices are still decent

but I've been queued from december

👀

[shrewd shard]

Tbh I don't mind the drivers as much

The only thing I use them at most is setting custom resolution / video modes to set a higher monitor refresh rate

I did have issues with AMD drivers, but only because I was trying hard to find drivers that allow my at the time unsupported for years laptop GPU to overclock

For context, it was 2018, I had an HD 7650M

The last driver that had come out for it was in 2016

And also things were goofed in Win 10 so I needed to have the right combination of driver and ancient Afterburner version

But I got 20% performance improvement which was great

[frank glade]

I hope they improved support nowadays

[shrewd shard]

I hope so too

I've been rocking an nvidia but mostly because I got it on a bargain

I'd gladly get an AMD over Novideo in the current price to performance

And also because VRAM

Lumen chomps hard

[frank glade]

true

[shrewd shard]

I've gotten a fair amount of crashes due to VRAM being full

[frank glade]

even if its slow, my 1060 with 6gb is still fine with substance painter, even 4k layers. theres hardly any incentive to get something with just 8gb. 12 sounds much better

[shrewd shard]

I'm doing quite the big project and I'm aiming at supporting basically every hardware that can at least run UE

So that includes testing top graphics to see how the game looks for those folks that rock a high end

I have an HD 6790 in my server that I use for basically worst case testing

1 GB VRAM and performance that's barely enough for 30 fps

But I digress

[devout pendant]

How many GB of VRAM is "full"?

[shrewd shard]

8

In the UE5 channels some people said they have trouble running Lumen in empty levels with 2060

[devout pendant]

UE Lumen and RTX seem to need VRAM … sign of things to come … foreshadowing the future … and VRAM is used for so many other things.

Imagine how much VRAM the first UE5/Lumen game will require.

System RAM should also be used as backup, but nothing beats VRAM close to the GPU cores.

[shrewd shard]

It's a tradeoff

Usually things run smoother if you cache them instead of recalculating them

But that means you need more memory

And vice versa

To save up on memory, you can instead "procedurally generate" what you'll need

[devout pendant]

(more work for the CPU/GPU)

When DDR5 comes-out, it might put slight downward pressure on DDR4 RAM.

Not sure when GDDR7 will be released, but might do the same for GDDR6.

[forest cape]

we will get ddr5 next year