hardware

[wise elbow]

Trying anything before seeing where the slowdown actually occurs is effectively guessing

[nimble mica]

ya I need to verify that today and try to locate bottleneck

[wise elbow]

UE5 has a very robust profiler.

[nimble mica]

yes it is

it does.

its just hard to grasp for someone that doesnt' use it much ,,till now

but ya I'll check UE tut on how

I guess insights...

ive tried stat rhi or such but its hard to makeout whats going on,,needto edify myself

[orchid iron]

@nimble mica driver issues are quite common, no matter the vendor, doing a clean install of older version usually fixes things (keep me in mind clean install means removing all traces of previous driver in case of conflicts)

[nimble mica]

ok worth a shot ;)))

I'll update progress at end of new driver

[subtle rock]

i havn't got any thing good to rant about on hardware today, but i will rant on the fact that every single thing with procedural meshs and mesh blending is deliberately broken in order to force ppl onto a paid for plugin that you cant even vet before hand .. kind of ridic

[orchid iron]

9070 production is being reduced in favour of 9070 xt

[subtle rock]

🗯️

They Did what the $%"&$%£"£ £%£%! 's !

they will probably make that xt a new version and make it out perform the whole production line

dell's always doing weirdness is other good rant but probably far to common 😅

[orchid iron]

Nah, no Nvidia super and no AMD refresh

At least, very unlikely since their next generation will be internally ready by the time ram supply goes back to normal

[orchid iron]

can someone explain what is the difference between XL-ATX and E-ATX?
and would a xl-atx motherboard generally fit in a EATX case?

[nimble mica]

not sure really where to place this question so...just placed a bp stairs into level 5.7 , first time I did it it crashes editor because of computing refer ces issue, this time no computing, is this another bug in 5.7 or ,,what any ideas...seeing this in 5.6 also

or/and indicative of needing more ram due to size of level,where atm I have 32gb ram and 9 gb rx 6600

oops lol , 8gb on gpu

also anybody else seeing, only 5.6 atm where I have preferred terrain edits etc., on placement of any mesh, instead of where I placed it from content, its placed BELOW or way high into clouds,,anyone seeing this ?? ;0-0

running with pretty LOW settings for performance but still seeing this in 5.6, not sure so far with 5.7

new update for 5.7, maybe this will help

[orchid iron]

try looking at the logs, they are usually quite helpful

[nimble mica]

;I"m beggining to think its the engine or some unknown setting I acc set, just now rotating player in game, quickly, where it shows 15fps, the rotation is fast and smooth, explain that ;))

woah 🙂

its just weird, 10 min ago on play in same engine 5.7 play wassmooth andfast, now its not.

ok I*ll check

in output log in game: LogUIActionRouter: Error: Using CommonUI without a CommonGameViewportClient derived game viewport client. CommonUI Input routing will not function correctly.
To disable this warning set CommonUI.Debug.CheckGameViewportClientValid=0 under [SystemSettings] in your project's DefaultEngine.ini.

makes no sense

LogSkinnedMeshComp: Warning: GetSocketByName(None): No SkeletalMesh for Component(lift7lake1) Actor(BP_Lift7_C /Game/ThirdPerson/Maps/UEDPIE_0_ThirdPersonMap.ThirdPersonMap:PersistentLevel.BP_Lift7_C_UAID_244BFECC176DD26501_1234744780)
LogText3D: Text3DActor5 : Text3DRenderer StaticMeshesRenderer Created < also doesn'tmake much sense,,I do have a lot of ::::::

these :LogNavigation: Warning: Exporting collision geometry with too many triangles (1000051). This might cause performance and memory issues. Add a simple collision or change GeometryExportVertexCountWarningThreshold. See 'StaticMeshComponent /Game/ThirdPerson/Maps/UEDPIE_0_ThirdPersonMap.ThirdPersonMap:PersistentLevel.StaticMeshActor_UAID_BC14EFA4D422DE3E02_1211676042.StaticMeshComponent0'.

that kind makes sense, too many meshes with complex coll I guess....

I can check for that

[subtle rock]

any serious builder should print that and have it on there wall

[orchid iron]

Epic stuff

[orchid iron]

I saw many articles called XL-ATX "Extended ATX" or "Enhanced ATX" guess they were ai generated, dang it, I got baited

[orchid iron]

Please don't fill this chat with the logs, you can make a .txt file with them and upload that instead for a cleaner look

But also Ctrl+F and search for "error"

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/Kx4kPVyZRw0?si=PvZDuM0Ld3I82nDx

@subtle rock 9060 XT 16gb is also being reduced

[mighty patrol]

TL:DR how cooked are we?

[median marsh]

good

leaves us with intel for low-mid range, amd for mid range, and nvidia for top shelf

monopoly case evaded

[orchid iron]

Remember crypto?

[mighty patrol]

Yar

[orchid iron]

So anyways, I'm currently eye-ing a used 3060 that has at least 8gb of vram xD

[woven canyon]

I don't understand the value proposition of a 3060 vs a 1080ti, unless the little RT kick is that important

[median marsh]

efficiency?!

[orchid iron]

Performance

[wise elbow]

is a 3060 even better than a 1080ti?

[median marsh]

it's not, but it's for sure way more efficient

[nimble mica]

thx for crtl f sounds useful, but what do yu mean by make a text file ?

[orchid iron]

Which do you think is better for getting help?
Copy pasting a giant wall of text
Or
Linking a simple text document

[orchid iron]

I say performance because of more up to date driver and software optimizations

But in terms of raw hardware, like Ben said, efficiency is the biggest difference since the have same transistor amount, but the node itself is much more efficient

[nimble mica]

your tone could be nicer, having said that, sure if it bothers the channel so much, I'll start( IF I find it will be a large body of text, its not always, often not, possible to know its going to BE rthat, then sure, I'll post that in a text doc and post the file, I guess is your point ?

[fallen oasis]

If somebody linked a giant text document I'd definitely not bother to open it.

I'd much prefer the wall of text in discord.

(with appropriate formatting)

[wise elbow]

agree

it's usually kinda sus getting sent a file, even if it's text

or use https://pastebin.com

[orchid iron]

like this?

also, I got called out multiple times on discord for making giant walls of text
so I'm guessing apparently not everyone dislikes it, sorry for assuming it would annoy everyone

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/qzfhhAfxK-A?si=N80sLcGSkvCR5klJ

I hope HBM takes them a long long time, thus making them stay on ddr5 production for as long as possible

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3AiRB5mvEsk&pp=0gcJCYcKAYcqIYzv

@grave sundial wtf

[delicate crystal]

And you thought windows updates were bad

[grave sundial]

This seems to be coming to other brands, too. Google Pixel apparently has a similar feature that was installed.

I think the best thing to do for OnePlus customers is be patient and wait for a workaround to be released.

The current problem is that existing software cannot 'break' the anti-rollback protocols, but that's emphasising 'current'. In a few days' time, I bet someone will think of a workaround.

Heck, AI might create a workaround. 😛

But, OnePlus has other issues. Apparently, their 15 and post-15 lineups have had lots of issues that have reduced their popularity. This might be their descent to the junkyard.

[orchid iron]

Hopefully it wakes them up and they go back to making good products

[grave sundial]

Agreed. I love OnePlus and even my Nord CE4 has been excellent so far, over a year.

Silly of the company to try and fix something that isn't broken.

[subtle rock]

theres a cold place in a hell for the person that keeps making the cable to small

[subtle rock]

you will know this when you are champion hurdler in your house hold

heh

[shrewd crag]

Hi! I create high-quality 3D sculpts for games, prints, and collectibles. I’d be glad to help if you ever need outsourcing.

[orchid iron]

@grave sundial do you know of a reasonably priced case that supports a 347.47 mm length x 330.20 mm width motherboard

(13.68" x 13")

[grave sundial]

what's your budget?

[orchid iron]

Depends, if top 3 cheapest options are all over 200$ I'll just save up for a longer amount of time, so it doesn't matter that much

[grave sundial]

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Fractal-Design-Meshify-Black-Tempered/dp/B0DK5VGZ2J - How much is this in euros?

[fallen oasis]

Like 180?

It shows as £147.56 for me.

170.04

[grave sundial]

If it's the same in France, then go for it. 😄

I am checking whether the case can accommodate your motherboard. Stand by.

[orchid iron]

In the specifications it just says 330mm, that's what confused me

[grave sundial]

Yeah. I am checking now.

[orchid iron]

Gotcha, thank you very much

[grave sundial]

give me your motherboard's model and name, please.

[orchid iron]

Supermicro X8DAH+

[grave sundial]

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Fractal-Design-Meshify-Black-Window/dp/B08232YMV9 - Ok, this is the right one for your motherboard.

This is the premium option. Getting cheaper ones.

Note: Because your motherboard is a bit on the taller side, when you install it in this Meshify 2 XL case, Gemini Pro says - "You will likely need to unscrew/remove 1 or 2 pre-installed standoffs (usually near the RAM slots) that do not line up with a hole. If you leave them there, they will touch the back of the motherboard and short-circuit the system."

Basically, you'll have to adjust the screws that are not needed, so they don't hit the motherboard.

[orchid iron]

Gotcha, thank you very much
I was so confused because in the Mobo user manual it says the size is 347.47 mm length x 330.20 mm width, and I couldn't find any EATX cases that would support such sizes

[grave sundial]

You're right to be confused, because the mobo is not classified as an E-ATX.

It's classified as an EE-ATX.

Basically, it's overfed on hot dogs.

[orchid iron]

Omg, why are atx sizes so weird sometimes

[grave sundial]

Also, Gemini Pro says, "No USB 3.0: This board is from the USB 2.0 era. The blue USB 3.0/3.1 cables on the front of a modern case (like the Meshify 2 XL) will have nowhere to plug in. You will need a PCIe to USB 3.0 add-in card with an internal 19-pin header if you want the case's front USB ports to work."

Disclaimer: Always cross-check even Pro AIs. 😄

[orchid iron]

Sounds about right, it is so old but so cheap

[grave sundial]

so are PCIe cards for USB and audio, these days, I think.

So, no problem.

[grave sundial]

Actually, if you have the opportunity to bounce on over to Sweden, go to Fractal Design's office and take your mobo with you.

Their customer service is SO GOOD, they'll be happy to outfit the right case for you.

[grave sundial]

https://www.caseking.de/en/phanteks-enthoo-pro-2-full-tower-black/GEPH-129.html

The other one.

And one more.

https://www.caseking.de/en/be-quiet-light-base-900-dx-pc-case-full-tower-tempered-glass-argb-black/GEBQ-081.html

This one is literally called BE QUIET!

It gives you a justification for yelling at noisy people any time of the day.

It also seems the fattest of the lot.

[orchid iron]

Awesome, thank you very much @grave sundial

[grave sundial]

Anytime. 🙂

[orchid iron]

one more thing, what are you all's recommendations when it comes to dust cleaners/blowers? My cans of compressed air are almost all empty

[mighty patrol]

Price matter?

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1v9zKVpnII

[grave sundial]

Buy a blower for cheaps - made in China.

I've been using mine for more than three years now.

It's amazing and helps me clean my entire PC case in two minutes, flat. That's with me taking care to clean the corners. 😛

You can use the same blower to blow the mice out of the van, too.

[orchid iron]

Appartement air is much more dusty than I expected, my new pc is a big air filter

[grave sundial]

It's always like that.

Blower ftw.

[orchid iron]

I'll check it you, thanks

[orchid iron]

Yeah, best air blower brands getting Chinese copy cats for cheaper

[fallen oasis]

Chinese blowers are so bad. They suck.

[grave sundial]

Mine's just fine.

I don't even maintain it and it's amazing.

[fallen oasis]

(It's a joke)

[grave sundial]

Invasion time.

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/RYkWpYtHYE8?si=54xjmhOge1Hb3oqn

This is how to cold start a pc

[nimble hare]

I'd love to get some feedback on my pc build
Most of my current components are very outdated, so I'm gonna get a completely new build and want to make it last me a while, hence why some stuff may seem a bit excessive (that and if it was either not much more expensive or equal to a lesser option)

Are there any obvious bottlenecks or problems you guys see?

• I'm working mainly in Unreal Engine and Houdini, occasionally Maya, Substance, or similar
• 96 GB Ram because it's 60$ more expensive than Kingston Fury 64 GB
• I am still on the fence about the GPU, but I can't bring myself to spend 1400$ more for a 5090, and a 5080 is likely gonna be more than enough, right? (Also, I'm upgrading from a 2080, so it's always gonna be a jump up)
• Air cooler instead of water because I just don't feel comfortable having liquid in my PC, even if it's not technically a problem

[orchid iron]

just so you are aware, the ryzen 9950x3D 2 is likely coming out soon, the main difference is that instead of the additional cache from x3D being one 1 ccd (8 cores) it is on both ccds (all 16 cores)
Performance difference is not that big, but at least you are aware of it

[nimble hare]

I see, thank you!
I didn't know that

I'll probably not wait for it though, to be honest
There's always something to wait for, I learned that when I was waiting ages to upgrade to my current build 😄

But still great info, thank you!

[nimble hare]

Would you say the setup is alright so far other than that?

[orchid iron]

The GPU you picked has a 12 volt higher power (2x6) power connector, it has been known to have a noticeably higher failure rate compared to classical 8 pins.

Although the connector burning is a rare event, it has been reported amongst some 5080 users

Again it is really rare, but if you really don't want to think about it, you can get a device like this:
https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/wireview-pro-ii-gpu/s-tg-wv-p2-h19n

All cases of connector burning were cause by amps imbalances in the 6 wires, so by having a tool monitoring them so they don't go out of spec is a peace of mind

[nimble hare]

is that something with all of these or is it just the specific one I got?
Tbh, I jsut picked middle of the road since those detailed specs are kinda... ya... not for me to deep dive

[orchid iron]

Most recent Nvidia GPUs and a few recent AMD GPUs have this

Only ones that don't have it are low power GPUs like 5060

[nimble hare]

I see
Welp, gotta live with it then
Good to know, thank you!
Gonna look into the device you sent

[orchid iron]

You can also power limit the GPU, but you'd probably want to use the full GPU you bought at that price

Again, really rare event though

[nimble hare]

I bought the whole GPU, I'm gonna use the whole GPU!

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Curious that nvidia chose to go this route if apparently they introduced a problem that wasn't there before that way
But what do I know

[orchid iron]

it allows for more efficient energy movement, less heat but more importantly more compact design!
Truly amazing work by nvidia, 4 connectors and so many wires all into one!

[nimble hare]

Interesting!
I only know a little bit about chip production, but the stuff you read is really crazy
Insane to think we (humans) are able to produce stuff like that

[orchid iron]

yeah, hitting limitations from electricity speeds is no small feat

[nimble hare]

Not sure if that's just bogus, but I read somewhere that with chips being the size they are, we're basically having to work around quantum tunneling taking place, because if parts of them were thinner, that'd happen
If that is true it's just wild to think

[orchid iron]

that's correct, some chip manufacturers are even working towards using that "quantum tunnelling" as a gate design, which would make nodes significantly more efficient

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dzivPdyH-s

What a collab

[orchid iron]

no fix

[median marsh]

i wouldn't recommend that device tbh

it adds 2 additional connection points, which can cause failure

[mighty patrol]

Not even cable mod is for sure

Better off just making sure it's flush

[median marsh]

instead, get a PSU which provides some protection, e.g. asrock phantom gaming with thermal sensor on the cable or seasonic with cable monitoring (if they are out by now)

[mighty patrol]

Basically seasonic

They are out yes

[median marsh]

yea then get one with seasonic optiguard, that's the best solution to that issue imho

[median marsh]

i think they are not, apparently planned for Q1 this year

[mighty patrol]

Odd I was able to order them last I looked

Maybe pre-order

[median marsh]

https://pg.asrock.com/Power-Supply/PG-1000G/index.asp
this is a compromise, but better than nothing

and the PSU itself is fine (factored by FSC, and i can't complain)

just the cables smelled a bit odd 😄

[mighty patrol]

Odd?

[median marsh]

yea, intense plastic smell

or from some solvant 🤷

[mighty patrol]

Hmm

[orchid iron]

But don't worry, the 2x6 connector is safe, nothing bad ever happens

https://youtube.com/shorts/_u1E4mrY9pY?si=vD7e8q0f8ID_u1P1

Going back in time with this one

[wise elbow]

I think all of the fixes for the cable connection issues are just to make you feel good

[median marsh]

what seasonic did is pretty solid

their PSU watches how much current runs through each pin and shuts down the power supply on failure

which will avoid any damage, and allows you to reseat/replace the cable before it becomes a fire hazard

the asrock approach is meh, but better than nothing i guess

[agile lodge]

the jayztwocents made the video of cable as connector he was able to pull one pin from connector

[orchid iron]

"the sense pins are useless, they are only good at sensing themselves"

[orchid iron]

That looked insane

[median marsh]

yeah i don't know why they are there in the first place

[feral cypress]

Yo im tryna get a home server to store a bunch of UE5 projects and to run a Minecraft server. What are some recommendations for specs? Ex: idk how much RAM I need, whether to use an HDD for more storage or an SSD for speed, which CPU to use, which PSU to use, if I need a GPU at all, and stuff like that

I want to keep it around 300 bucks and im pretty sure I dont need a GPU, but some correction would be nice

[orchid iron]

How large of a world and how many players max we talking?

[feral cypress]

I would say like 20 max

Its definitely never going over100

And the world idk its gonna be pretty big ig

[orchid iron]

Yeah, so for 300 bucks, that's going to be really difficult

If it had been like about max 5 players at a time, I'd have recommended to check for an old laptop with at least 16gb

[feral cypress]

I mean wouldnt a 32gb ddr4 build work?

With like an intel i5 12th gen

[orchid iron]

Do you already have a 32gb DDR4 build?

[feral cypress]

No

[orchid iron]

Well, those 300 bucks are already mostly gone from that 32gb

[feral cypress]

Ur right lol

I could prob stretch to 4 or 5 hundred

Rn im thinking 12th gen i5 with 32gb ram and 2 or more tb storage with an optiplex case

Like whatever i can find tbh

[orchid iron]

The annoying thing is that ram alone costs 200$ right now, which is insane

I'd recommend looking for old used hardware, probably DDR3 ecc with old xeons

[feral cypress]

It IS insane

Also ok ty

[orchid iron]

There are already people making budget builds with DDR3 with how crazy it is

[feral cypress]

True

I just thought ddr3 was too slow for even a server

Is it not?

[orchid iron]

For a server not really, having ECC would matter more

And for a Minecraft server, CPU with high clock speeds also matters more

[feral cypress]

What’s ECC?

Also sorry if im asking too many questions

[orchid iron]

Error Correcting Code

If your CPU, Motherboard and Ram all support this feature, you'll be able to use it

Basically if a bit randomly gets flipped into wrong value, there are these systems in place to prevent it

Makes your server more stable since it has to run all day every day

[feral cypress]

Ooh ok

Also, I want to set it up in a way for it to be accessible for me and my friends across multiple households (same city), what is that called?

[orchid iron]

Had you have been in same household using same network you could of set up a LAN from your own client without a need for a server

[feral cypress]

Interesting

[orchid iron]

Actually now that I think about it, have you heard of the Minecraft peer 2 peer mod?

[feral cypress]

Oh yeah and about the CPU thing is a 3.3GHz with a 4.3GHz Boost clock better than a 3.6 core clock and 4 boost clock?

[feral cypress]

Never heard of that

The former is almost 70 dollars cheaper so im guessing that

[orchid iron]

Basically peer 2 peer is when one of the clients are used as a host

It is really handy if one of you guys has a good pc and is online often, he could just host the game while being on Minecraft

[feral cypress]

Oooooh sounds cool

But it relies on one person always being on which I dont want to do

[feral cypress]

(Btw the 3.3 is also 2 cores less than the 3.6 on top of being much cheaper)

[orchid iron]

For Minecraft single core is for the main tasks like block breaking, attacks etc

But it can use other cores such as loading chucks

So having a good amount of cores also helps if you have multiple players loading multiple new chucks, otherwise it'll lag out everything

[feral cypress]

Idk

The 4 core one is more budget friendly and boosts higher, with less power draw, while the 6 core has more cores and has a higher base clock speed and more cores

Oop the 4 core one is ddr4

[orchid iron]

Imma be real, for the best experience, I'd recommend either per month hosting or one of you in the friend groups hosts it as a client
Because of you are willing to put down 300$, I'd at least try out the hosting paid per month for a few months, to see how it feels having to manage things behind the scenes

[feral cypress]

Idk because we also want to securely back up all of our UE5 projects without paying a subscription and we dont wanna run a minecraft server on a paid subscription

The minecraft server part isn’t the main focus, its the UE projects

[orchid iron]

Then find an old pc, put a good SSD or HDD in it, and that's that

[feral cypress]

Ok

Sorry if this was a waste of your time

[orchid iron]

Nah, was just waiting for compilation of shaders

[feral cypress]

Oh lol

[orchid iron]

Try to look up "server DDR3" on eBay or other second hand places if no one has an old pc on hand

[feral cypress]

Okie

[wise elbow]

Minecraft servers don't use as much memory as you would think. Even 16gb is probably sufficient.
CPU also isn't super important, it will run on just about anything.
You don't need a gpu and the PSU doesn't matter as long as it is sufficient

I used to host and play a modded server with like 12 people off of a laptop and it was fine

I think I remember you saying you got a new pc lately so maybe just host the server on that

For UE5 version control you're probably best off hosting it somewhere else if others will be working on it

GitHub and Azure are both very good options and you likely won't exceed the limits of a free tier

[feral cypress]

I havent gotten the PC yet its gonna be in a few months but as soon as I get it im locking in on UE5 for college apps (adding a game to my portfolio)

Ty pliny

[wise elbow]

I doubt you'll need a second machine

[lean kelp]

Hi, I would like to hear opinions, in case someone has faced similar situation: I am thinking about buying a new PC (mine is a bit old, so I start having trouble, specially when working with lumen or pathtracing for renders in unreal engine, as I currently have a gtx1080 GPU)
I usually use the PC as a 3D artist, so I work in blender, unreal, substance painter, davinci resolve...with the occasional environment or prop render using pathtracing.

But I have the problem that I'm currently looking for work, so I literally don't know where I'll end up, probably I'll have to move to a different country. So I'm having doubts about building a mini ITX PC, with something similar to this case:
https://www.amazon.com/Lian-A3-mATX-WD-26-3L-Included-Supports-Motherboard-DAN-Collaboration-Wood/dp/B0DFS88R2L

Or if buy a gaming laptop, a lot easier to travel with, and more comfortable, instead of having to carry a 10kg luggage around an airport, and a different city.
For the money I wanted to spend, I would be able to get either a i7-RTX5070 desktop, or a MSI RTX5070ti laptop. The laptop GPU is less powerful than the dektop one, around 25%-30% difference, and has less VRAM, I leave a video that made a comparison in games.
https://youtu.be/rBFys9BKKws?si=3ltZCH9oIzgQuV5X

What do you think?

[orchid iron]

I'm actually curious of the laptop specs you used, because last I tried it with a 6 core 16gb ram, vanilla with 2 players was getting hiccups everynow and then

[orchid iron]

Mini ITX are pointlessly expensive, you can get good deals with mATX, but they are both much less portable than a laptop

So just depends if you really need a laptop or not

You could also pay the framework tax and get a very DIY laptop that you can easily repair with a 5070

[wise elbow]

roughly those specs

the game uses java and is horrifically optimized. it generally runs fine but it will hitch on anything due to the awful garbage collection

you have to really customize the JVM arguments for it to not suck

[fallen oasis]

I am very happy with my 5080 laptop if that counts.

[wise elbow]

i also recently got a 5080 laptop and im happy with it

[wise elbow]

get a laptop if you plan to travel a lot with your computer

otherwise get a desktop of some kind

[lean kelp]

I don't plan to travel a lot, I just plan to travel very sparingly to move from a country to another, other than that, the pc stays at home

[wise elbow]

desktop, then

i agree with what lab said; itx isnt ideal unless youre doing it as a personal challenge or have massive size constraints

even matx has a lot of compromises w.r.t. I/O and thermals

[fallen oasis]

This is why I got one, to travel to my gf's place.

[wise elbow]

literally why i got mine LOL

portable monitor also a huge enhancement

[fallen oasis]

Yeah. I have 2 plugged in at home, but I live with just the laptop screen when I'm away.

Can't live without a mouse and keyboard, though.

Laptop keyboards suck.

[wise elbow]

im very happy with the keyboard on mine. its a legion 7i pro

its almost identical in feel to my old thinkpad keyboard which was IMO better than almost all desktop non mechanicals

[orchid iron]

Old ThinkPads were built different
Now it ain't the same quality which is a shame

[wise elbow]

This one was from 2019. It was very solidly built

I've used old old ones and I'd say the quality is the same

They make some models which are arguably just normal business laptops

[orchid iron]

nice, still a good year

[fallen oasis]

I just don't like how the keys are in a different position 😛

I can never find the home/end/page up/down keys.

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUjPhJnovRs

[grave sundial]

That sort of advertising is not allowed in this channel. It's not a hiring center. <@&213101288538374145>

[mighty patrol]

They spammed other channels to

[grave sundial]

Oh, it's a bot. Spamming in generative-ai too.

[hoary urchin]

Yh

Thanks

[mighty patrol]

Go team!

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/OT_iyvOy0Tk?si=n7AUbChJbn485x1S

Cables!!!

[mighty patrol]

Basically sold out day 1

[opaque pond]

i think this is largely pointless for like 99+% of the people

[orchid iron]

5070s are largely pointless for 99% of people, but it doesn't matter if they get sold

[opaque pond]

could be a good time to rethink what kind of hardware we actually need

[median marsh]

3060 according to nvidia

and even those 170W powerdraw are... questionable

[orchid iron]

"the more you buy the more you save"
"CEO math isn't accurate but it is correct"

[mighty patrol]

But it's the last cable you'll ever need!

[median marsh]

can't even power a 5070 reliable

[wise elbow]

USB c is spec hell

there's a reason thunderbolt exists

[orchid iron]

And there is a reason why Linus was able to sell so many cables, even mentions in the video took them a year just to find a cable manufacturer that didn't suck

Really puts into perspective how consumer stuff is made

[mighty patrol]

So much cheap garbage on the market

Makes anyone scared to spend actual $$

[orchid iron]

Just checked prices
AMD 7900 XTX 900€
Ddr4 128gb 3200 MT/s crucial pro: 1050€

🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉

[grave sundial]

Capable of being sold for a house - Soon ™

[orchid iron]

Price of house: 500 GB of ddr5

[covert goblet]

I just want to compile the code of my ue project in mac what are the minimum required specs for mac mini?
I want to ship a game in ios and I will be writing code in my windows system soo

[orchid iron]

https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/hardware-and-software-specifications-for-unreal-engine

Select "Mac" in operating system to view apple specs

[wise elbow]

basically any modern computer

it will just take forever

[plush turret]

finally got the new drive

[mighty patrol]

Finally

[mighty patrol]

"Video Storage"

Ok gooner

[plush turret]

yes for you im sure thats what you would use it for

for me its just all the DVD rips for my plex

[mighty patrol]

Sure sure

[plush turret]

says the spawn of satan

im sure your homework file is in the petabyte range and its probably all gay

or knowing you, cuck stuff

[orchid iron]

I'm so confused why it shows it is half full when only 4.78TB are used out of 14.5TB

[plush turret]

free of 14.5

[orchid iron]

Sorry, I'm way to used to KDE UI

[orchid iron]

Just bought an old pc with am2 CPU and a motherboard with Nvidia graphics

the motherboard

[grave sundial]

Didn't you already have a gigantic motherboard?

Why did you get a new one?

[orchid iron]

That gigantic mobo was to make a 2010 workstation, but I don't have it yet, just making sure all parts are compatible before buying

This 2005 one is from a pc I got for 5€ in the flea market, scored a nice ATX chassis

[orchid iron]

Aaaaaand another one banned

[mighty patrol]

Why

[orchid iron]

There was a crypto scammer a few hours ago

[mighty patrol]

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/hp-dell-acer-asus-mull-using-chinese-memory-chips-amid-supply-crunch-nikkei-asia-2026-02-05/

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/wRNVwqFu8ek?si=D6dV3kh2AoN_iUo6

[mighty patrol]

Funny I was just talking about how copper may go up with a co-worker lol

[median marsh]

copper always goes up

[orchid iron]

I wonder if Greenland has copper for no specific reason

[delicate crystal]

lowest price it's been in a month so wondering how old that video is

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/QtVIR_-hMq8?si=y8IwzZskK0USFBhc

That looks so nice

[median marsh]

just that a new gpu will be more than the laptop, once they decide for an upgrade

[orchid iron]

isn't that the same with normal desktop (if we exclude ram and ssd price increases)

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/5vLyiLIW-g8?si=PEx5GpUQw9qFU6_1

HOPE!!!

[mighty patrol]

https://x.com/sciencegirl/status/2019842034366898214?s=20

Science girl (@sciencegirl)

A man 3D-printed a breathable honeycomb fan cover to cool his PC

▶ Play video

X · Feb 6, 2026, 6:34 PM

[median marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/@Robert_Skinner/videos

and this one features the honeycomb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHRPS41m8eU

[wise elbow]

steam frame delayed (probably)

[orchid iron]

Yeah, they planned to give us a release date earlier, but as stated in their steam blog, the ram and SSD situation has made things more difficult, at least they still plan to release it on first half of this year

[covert goblet]

Im thinking to get Mac Mini M4 with 16Gb unified memory, 256gb storage
Only need to complie and package a mobile game, should I get a higher one or this will be fine im tight on budget

[orchid iron]

https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/hardware-and-software-specifications-for-unreal-engine

Check hardware req for "Mac" option

So you can get an idea of what is the bottom line to use unreal engine

(your hardware supports Metal 3, so it is okay overall)

[covert goblet]

bottomline is 16gb which is why Im concerned

[orchid iron]

I also have 16gb on Linux, it works... slowly but it does work

[covert goblet]

okay I will go with it then

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/NIXd3PEbsNk?si=aMztzUZcIzjdeYxH

39:25 really satisfying moment here

[wise elbow]

the minimum specs cover basically any remotely modern system

it will run

however, will it be ass? probably

[wise elbow]

256gb of storage is not enough

a ue5 install is hundreds of gb potentially

I think my current compiled source is ~400gb

[orchid iron]

mine is 133gb on unreal engine 5.7 on linux

[orchid iron]

https://appleinsider.com/inside/mac-mini/tips/how-to-upgrade-the-ssd-in-your-m4-mac-mini

mac mini M4 has upgradable storage

[wise elbow]

yeah but preferably you just buy one with it to begin

[covert goblet]

512 costs alot...

and I only need it for one single project

[wise elbow]

could get an external drive I guess

a thunderbolt one will be reasonably fast

[covert goblet]

i do have an external ssd

[wise elbow]

have you already made your game?

[orchid iron]

https://wccftech.com/cxmt-ymtc-removed-from-pentagon-list-opening-door-for-chinese-dram-adoption/

Consumer ram is about to be so cheap when bubble pops

[white horizon]

hell yeah

[mental timber]

https://wccftech.com/western-digital-has-no-more-hdd-capacity-left-out/

https://tenor.com/h0WQnWs2fm0.gif

@hazy mango

[hazy mango]

Yeah, that's exactly what I was talking about!
Personally, I am sitting on a pile of SAS drives with RAID Expanders, but it is terrifying to see these manufacturers intentionally scale down production.

[mental timber]

What do I need to get to use a SAS drive?

Just googled it. 🙂

Dont worry about it

[hazy mango]

SAS is enterprise-grade SATA. Look up PCI RAID cards. Art of Server has great explanations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEbQohy6v8U

[mental timber]

Thank you sir!

[hazy mango]

So much good old tech is sent to a landfill because people don't know how to use it. Remember, you do not need "cutting edge", some times "old and proven" works too. Particularly with a well set up RAID, when losing a single HDD means you drop a new one in with no data loss.

[median marsh]

old hw raid controllers are ass tho

and in general you are often better there with a sw raid, unless you can really afford to put a 2nd controller on storage or wait weeks for a replacement until you can access your data again

[vestal tundra]

Need a new laptop for dev+ travel. Next October - April. Think it will be cheaper now or then

[orchid iron]

Uncertain, but performance won't increase that much in laptop space
What is your budget?

[vestal tundra]

Budget is $1500 ish https://www.microcenter.com/product/695263/acer-predator-helios-neo-16-ai-phn16-73-934n-16-gaming-laptop-computer-abyssal-black

Whatever gets me a 5070ti+, a CPU with a TPU, and 32gb+ memory

I'd like 64gb but well, bad timing

[orchid iron]

Solid pick

Also a TPU in the CPU doesn't matter, the TOPs of that thing is so insignificant compared to GPU TOPs

[vestal tundra]

Yeah but, I want to implement a small LLM in my game (2b-7b params) and run it off the cpu to save gpu performance/vram. Using a TPU seems like fun extra challenge

[orchid iron]

Even a 2b Param LLM won't run well on a CPU, unless it has good integrated graphics, NPUs aren't as useful as you might think (unless it is in a server context, look Google's) now laptops have "Total TOPs" which counts both NPU and iGPU/GPU TOPs, just to tell you how little impact NPUs have

Personally I'd reccomend making both your game and the LLM run on the GPU together, but you should experiment yourself, personally things ran on the CPU have been extremely slow unless the model has like 20b params and it uses most of 128gb of ram

Although on that last case, there are ways to make the GPU use more system ram so you could still run high param models on low VRAM GPUs

Just remember, AI companies have brute forced lots of params, but more and more models are coming out which uses less params, yet match large params models in quality

https://youtu.be/9GWOksNjFpY?si=cKZva55_wdmfPEtc

Like this one

[vestal tundra]

Oh yeah, I've been testing a bit. I'm just using it for radio chatter, so the really small models are good enough. 2b param model was good enough for the 5-20 word responses

0.5s ttft and like 8 tokens/s on one core of an old thinkpad

Being radio coms, the delay is fine

[orchid iron]

Gotcha, does it run properly with your unreal engine game also running?

[vestal tundra]

Should on real hardware I think. My Thinkpad can't handle UE alone but could handle that LLM while limited it 1 thread and no acceleration

[orchid iron]

Have you tried packaging the game on DX11?

[vestal tundra]

UE5 is super scalable, like fortnite runs at 60fps on 5 year old phones and stuff, could totally get a packaged forward shaded game to run well enough on this laptop, but it's not really target hardware for me

I currently do most of my dev work now moonlighting from my PC to my laptop, but I'm planning on leaving my PC back home next season so I have less to transport around

But need a bit beefier than a 5650U with integrated graphics if I'm going to leave my PC home

[wise elbow]

IMO npus are pretty capable

Not a replacement for a full GPU, but when you look at the power consumption they have a niche

[wise elbow]

There are a few people in the server that do a lot with llms so they probably have more guidance

A LLM in a game right now is probably a bit hard to achieve. You might be better off using it ahead of time to bake responses

[agile lodge]

https://mashable.com/article/ai-hard-drive-hdd-shortages-western-digital-sold-out

[vestal tundra]

Reserved that laptop, $200 more expensive a day later

[orchid iron]

Hopefully they don't pull a corsair

[vestal tundra]

Laptop secured. Now to try this TPU thing out

[orchid iron]

Good luck

[orchid iron]

Any time someone mentions MSRP as a serious metric to purchase a GPU, I just think of this

[jolly echo]

Is using ANC headphones the only way to alleviate fatigue from using a gaming laptop in Performance mode for working in Unreal Engine?

I mean, whilst gaming the noise doesn't bother as much cuz your having fun but when trying to concentrate on building worlds in game engines it becomes exhausting.

[orchid iron]

Have you changed thermal paste and removed dust recently?

[white horizon]

<@&213101288538374145>

[jolly echo]

I did remove the dust. I did not change the thermal paste but the laptop isn't that old tbh.

[orchid iron]

is it a 1 year old laptop?

[jolly echo]

It's an ASUS G634JZ from 2023, but I upgraded the SSD last year and removed the dust. Temperatures and noise levels haven't changed, it's just my own tolerance to noise has gone down.

[orchid iron]

from 2023? Yeah it was about time you changed thermal paste, I'd reccomend an arctic mx6 or thermal grizzly duronaught

[jolly echo]

noted, thanks

[lusty maple]

Has anyone tried using strix halo products for Unreal? Trying to see if something like a framework desktop would be good to recommend for people getting into unreal

[wise elbow]

Those laptops are very expensive

[orchid iron]

Only use for it would be the ram which is soldered, so prices for that should increase soon

Nvm, prices already increased

Oh boy

[orchid iron]

Do you already own a 16gb laptop with a dedicated GPU?

[orchid iron]

Because imma be real, prices for things right now are way too out of hand
I'd still get a budget build on AM5 (so when DDR5 shortage ends, you can get some really good ram and really good upcoming CPUs) if you have no other good option ZTT has some good videos about budget builds

But for learning, if you already got a machine with 16gb and a dedicated GPU, you can learn with low settings and low poly meshes, perfectly fine to learn how the engine works and how to game dev in general

[orchid iron]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know of the average hardware based from at least 2010 over the years?
I'm planning to optimise my game for different average hardware over different years, so knowing what type of specs should I target would greatly help

[fallen oasis]

Just google the steam hardware review history

[lusty maple]

That’s kind of what I was thinking

I’m recommending stuff for PCs for other people

I’m recommending those micro center 7700x bundles/265k bundles bare minimum and gpus with 12-16gb of VRAM

[orchid iron]

Closest thing I found was the way back machine and snapshots of the steam hardware survey

I'm about to optimise for dual core and 3gb of system ram xD

[fallen oasis]

https://github.com/jdegene/steamHWsurvey might be useful.

[orchid iron]

Gotcha

https://youtu.be/xshmMv7AW-Y?si=150fwrhONi4DEYvM

I found this along the way, I gotta say, never expected 1080p to be this massive unbending giant

[fallen oasis]

Why?

It's good enough for basically everything.

[wise elbow]

Monitors also typically last a long time

It's typical for them to be carried between system builds

[fallen oasis]

4k is expensive and the hardware to use it effectively is expensive.

[wise elbow]

2k might become more popular because the monitors are very cheap nowadays

But it might be 1080p or 4k. Most TVs are either 1080p or 4k and a lot of people game on a tv

Can't say I've ever seen a 2k tv

[fallen oasis]

Me either.

[tribal ruin]

its not that expensive you can build 4k pc in 2500$ in nornal market prices not current one

[fallen oasis]

I'm sure you can. But can you run every game at 4k 120fps?

Without 90% framegen.

[tribal ruin]

thats too demanding you dont need that 4K 60fps beautiful

If you have such demands from your end you have to pay

Gaming was never cheap

If those are your demands

[fallen oasis]

But that's what I'm saying. You can have that on a 1080p display pretty cheaply.

Not 4k.

[mighty patrol]

Even if you somehow spill water on them

[wise elbow]

That's like 4x the price of a lot of PCs lol

Not even accounting for a good monitor

I do agree tho that 4k120hz is super premium and almost unobtainable

[orchid iron]

meanwhile: 1080p60fps, good enough for a lot of things

[fallen oasis]

My monitors are made of half cat spit by now.

[fallen oasis]

Exactly!

[tribal ruin]

If you are developer of quality 3D assets, you need that much investment. That's not a lot. I know sound engineers and 3d devs who have pc setup of 3000 $
It was always this expensive if you want that quality, not for a gamer but developer

[fallen oasis]

But this has nothing to do with asset developers.

This is about gamers.

[tribal ruin]

I am a developer, this discord group is for developer, this channel as well 🤨

[fallen oasis]

But he's talking about targeting the pc specs of gamers...

Which is very much related to developing games, just not on the pc you're talking about.

[orchid iron]

Yeah, the conversation started from "average hardware specs" to better optimise for those

[tribal ruin]

Dlss coming helpful right for 2k and 1080 p gamers who let's say have weak hardware?

[orchid iron]

It is helpful, but if my game can't run 1080p60fps native on the hardware I want to run it on, I gotta change things

[tribal ruin]

ohh so this was a conversation you want your game to run on it

i see now

[orchid iron]

Yup

Making an unreal engine 5 project have 1080p60fps on dual core cpu and 15 year old GPUs is going to be interesting

[fallen oasis]

Not so hard. Just have to disable a lot. Maybe use forward rendering.

[orchid iron]

No shadows for dual cores xD

[orchid iron]

Speaking of shadows, is there a good way to disable them? Because only thing I found so far is to make every object that is spawned have the variable "object casts shadows" set to False

[median marsh]

should be good enough to turn it off on the light sources?!

[orchid iron]

That setting affects light sources? I didn't know that

[torn gulch]

hi there just bought this for 2600 eu what do you think ?

[fallen oasis]

Not bad

I'd want a bigger ssd, though.

And 16" screen is kinda small if it's your main machine.

[grave sundial]

@mighty patrol https://www.amazon.in/SABRENT-Enterprise-High-Endurance-Protection-SB-P4U2-30720/dp/B0F9NTPNR7

Let's go!

30TB of preciousness!

You get the maple syrup. I'll get the potato balls.

We'll rob a bank! 🏦

We just need $10,000-ish. I am sure that's chump change for 'dem banks.

[orchid iron]

That's a really good price for it

[mighty patrol]

Sign me up

[wise elbow]

I have the same config but with 64gb of memory and 2tb of storage

I'd definitely try and get more storage. 1tb really doesn't go far

I've been really happy with it. Cooling is good, keyboard is the best I've used on a laptop, and the screen is really nice

[torn gulch]

ah nice yeah i have 64gb on the side i bought a couple years ago for another laptop 🙂
I also have a 1tb ssd so i guess i"m all set i just hope they validate the order i made because it seems way too cheap 🙂
but thanks for the good words

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/tM1p2mbZyXU

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/uOLicT15DoE?si=0qcOwu1ccLCBA1Zw

Someone should try to put doom in this

[fallen oasis]

Someone probably has.

But why the fuck does it need 512kb of storage?!

[orchid iron]

It has a whole operating system and a VM running
The fact it only has 512kb is impressive

[fallen oasis]

Yes, but why does a credit card need that?

[orchid iron]

Security, otherwise anyone could just walk past you and steal all your credit card info

[fallen oasis]

I don't believe that requires that much.

If you can run a doom-like game in 64kb, they can do better.

Obviously that 64k doesn't include the OS, but still.

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxtZ9DnQJVk

It arrived!

[orchid iron]

Wtf xD

[grave sundial]

What do you mean? Did you order one? 👀

[mighty patrol]

No, no the video dropped though.

[grave sundial]

Ah.

Also, Buenos Hola! 👋

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05HRLuU--jI

[orchid iron]

Meanwhile me:
Running ram below jedec spek

[mighty patrol]

If it works it works

[wise elbow]

memory speed makes a meaningful difference up to a certain point

at least for gaming

for other applications I notice clocks really significantly affect performance

6000 MT/s cl30 was the king of price and performance up until the apocalypse

[mighty patrol]

Compiling feels it

[orchid iron]

I got crucial ram before the ramagedon, there is nothing I can do if it breaks, so it better last me at least 10 years!

[mighty patrol]

I just ordered 2 hdds for my nas

Got less storage than I wanted but so much is sold out rn

and what's not sold out is insanely priced

[orchid iron]

Data centers usually operate in a 6 years cycle, they buy hardware that they use for 6 years, then they sell it and buy new hardware

So that means that in 6 years at the latest, we'll get so much ram and storage that we won't know what to do with it

[mighty patrol]

Cheap ram for us at some point lol

Especially ECC

[orchid iron]

We'll get back that DDR4 ECC we were stolen from

Maybe even some DDR5 ECC excess supply from china too

[median marsh]

you want 6 years old hard disks which have ran 24/7?

[orchid iron]

For the right price, yes

[wise elbow]

I really need a new HDD but they are stupid expensive now

I've always bought new because one of the main reasons to buy a specific HDD was basically their warranty...

[mighty patrol]

I still need to order 2 more

But most stores have limits now

or are sold out...

[wise elbow]

Wow

[grave sundial]

https://www.amazon.in/Version-Datacolor-Spyder-Monitor-Calibration/dp/B0DDYDLPJ4

Has anyone used one of these?

If so, how was it? Does the device stay plugged in all the time? Does it tune the monitor in real-time over the whole day?

[wise elbow]

I think you typically use it once and calibrate

Manually

If you don't need 100% accuracy you can probably just download a profile online for your monitor that will be 99% correct

[grave sundial]

Thank you.

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU040CTdJI0

[agile lodge]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-arc-pro-b70-with-bmg-g31-gpu

[orchid iron]

hopefully it comes out before RDNA5

[untold kiln]

got a pretty hot price on 32GB 2-Rank DDR5 5600MT/s JEDEC RDIMM lined up if anyone is looking. Xeon/Epyc server/workstation memory, not for Core or Ryzen.

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/DKCyk3CeUFY?si=j20ZtdGMbWS3xl5f

Peak 2030 game graphics

[wise elbow]

pretty insane it works that well

I wish there was a comparison to 4k native

it creates amazing details like bridges and arches out of like 30 pixels, but I have to wonder if it's actually what it should look like or is in that uncanny dream area where your brain just fills it in

[grave sundial]

I'll wait for 120p scaled to 8k pixels, AAAAAA gameplay.

There's a video on YT about how Arc Raiders was created in UE 5. It doesn't mention that they never made use of Lumen, Nanite, VSM, etc. and customised the engine heavily, including NVidia's lighting library instead of using UE's. Plus other doodads that they haven't fully gone into.

I wonder if it'd be great practise to make my game in 120p VGA graphics first. If it's pixel perfect, AI can scale it up well.

[orchid iron]

Anyone remembers PCI-X?

[grave sundial]

Aye. It was a long time ago.

Maybe our second family computer had those. LONG time ago.

[orchid iron]

Oof xD

[grave sundial]

Salvaged my old SSDs from my laptop workstation to use in my new PC. Samsung SSD 1TB is still awesome after 10+ years.

The Silicon Power 2TB SSD sadly died. 🙁

[orchid iron]

rip

[feral cypress]

Yo the new mac neo looks pretty good

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/kassypoo-gif-23947209

fcking amazon shipped me an 'upgrade' to my network switch by accident

and its been quitely sitting there fcking up my efforts for remote media server

I ordered the TL-SG108, i got the TL-SG108E

which is a managed switch

[mighty patrol]

I got this one TL-SG108

[orchid iron]

Peak

[plush turret]

yeah until you need to setup media servers and the network switch you thought was just a coil of wires, is sitting there laughing at you

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as2KoDtsS_0

[orchid iron]

While searching how to make a project for low end hardware I came across something quite interesting, if I optimise the project for low end mobile, then the technics also help quite a bit getting a smooth 60 FPS on 1080 on an Nvidia 460

Things like LDR (Low Dynamic Range) might be one of the main ways to achieve that, though I'll have to redo quite a bit

Also, did y'all know unreal engine 5.7 can be used to make games for as low as android 8??? Like dang, even my 12 year old phone has android 10

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/7QmVBH6CQ24?si=YT4k5ukOR8tzHzuH

[orchid iron]

Finally we'll have 200 series CPUs that end with a 0 instead of a 5

[orchid iron]

Gamer Nexus replying to Threat Interactive and roasting him was not in my 2026 bingo card xD

[mighty patrol]

Good

More big names should call him out

[orchid iron]

https://x.com/i/status/2031830547518144628

Hardware Unboxed (@HardwareUnboxed)

I really hope calling Games Nexus “good little Nvidia marketing slaves” is the most unhinged thing I hear on YouTube this year. We’re three months in and the bar is already this low, yikes!

X · Mar 11, 2026, 8:32 PM

[orchid iron]

Lol

In his defence, I'm pretty sure TI was referring to these journalists as marketing slaves for Intel and AMD... advertising alternatives to DLSS...
Imagine being called a simp for showcasing something different xD

[mighty patrol]

Doesn't Gamers Nexus, JayzTwoCents, LTT and the like always say they don't usually like it and often don't use it?

Lol

I can't recall a hardware reviewer I watched that fully said it's great

They always point out flaws.

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/qSCWENFtax0?si=dnPd3bRnEkGLkGjA

So that's where NVlink went

[mighty patrol]

You see PewDiePies latest works?

[orchid iron]

Him beating chat gpt? Yeah, honestly shows how much of a scam these companies are

[orchid iron]

End of 2024 when I bought the 7900 XTX for about 900€, the closest competitor which was the 4080 super was 2000€
And the 4070 ti super was 1700€

Meanwhile the 4090 was the price of my whole pc after ram shortage xD

[tribal ruin]

4080 for 2000 Euros???

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[orchid iron]

Yeah, back then
Now there is only used 4080 available for over 1200€

Thankfully the 5080 is available for just 1300€ which is somehow 150 less than the US price

5080 MSRP: 999

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/kIvaGLDa6bA?si=kGTHC87UJXT8G39L

"It is unclear whether GPMI will be a free standard or whether manufacturers will be required to pay a license fee as with HDMI"

If this doesn't go free and open, it'll be ignored

[grave sundial]

GPMI is the Chinese standard, right?

It should be fairly cheap.
Isn't it the same cable we've discussed before?

[mighty patrol]

Yes, the General Purpose Media Interface (GPMI) is designed to be a royalty-free alternative to HDMI and DisplayPort, specifically developed to avoid licensing fees. It was introduced in April 2025 by the Shenzhen 8K UHD Video Industry Collaboration Alliance (SUCA), a Chinese consortium of over 50 tech companies, including Huawei, TCL, and Hisense.

Zachs Tech Tips covered it I guess

[grave sundial]

No, it was before that even.

I posted about it here, maybe last year.

[mighty patrol]

Probably

[grave sundial]

It was just released at the time.

[mighty patrol]

I just meant where I got some of that info

[grave sundial]

Well, there are Chinese GPUs coming out. I don't see why they wouldn't use this standard.

If that happens and those GPUs are capable and cheaper, it wouldn't be too difficult to get GPMI spread around the world.

[orchid iron]

Yeah, I just didn't know it had a "type C" version

[orchid iron]

YEAHHHHH, HUGE W

SSCREW YOU HDMI, NOW U GOT DISPLAY PORT AND GDMI EATING MARKET SHARE

[grave sundial]

About the type C, I would be a bit circumspect about believing it.

[mighty patrol]

Why

They have hdmi to type c

[grave sundial]

I Amazoned GPMI and I got a ton of listings for 8k Thunderbolt cables, all responding to the keyword GPMI.

[mighty patrol]

What's much different

[grave sundial]

So, the news could just be clickbait.

The actual cable could be different.

[mighty patrol]

Like an LTT cable

[grave sundial]

Could be anything. Best to confirm with the Chinese company.

Who can speak ancient Romance of Three Kingdoms cantonese?

[orchid iron]

I just want hdmi to suck it and becomes a chicken market 😀

[mighty patrol]

I only know a few words 🙁

[grave sundial]

If you can say those few words with pointing, accusatory glances and smirks, and with false confidence couched in self-righteousness, you'll do. 😛

[grave sundial]

Do they raise the costs much?

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-15852024

[grave sundial]

😄

Ok, I checked a little more.

I think the GPMI Type-B is what most GPUs will use.

From what little I can gather, the Type-C is not as high-powered as its B counterpart.

[orchid iron]

It is kinda neat to be able to tell the age of the GPU simply by looking at its ports

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/7ENinBeennQ?si=H6NjHXtAdDM2aydO

Meanwhile me using unreal engine 5 editor with 4gb of vram

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-eye-roll-annoyed-awkward-awkward-silence-gif-8519527199733944803

[mighty patrol]

TI mentioned,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2SG4T0wymk

[orchid iron]

Yeah at the end, already talked about it a bunch earlier, what's your two cents on the topic? XD

[mighty patrol]

TI makes some good points but he goes about everything the wrong way. The constant illegal DCMA strikes and trying to censor others opinions of him is not the way to do it. I used to respect his opinion at one point but he has proven he just wants to act like a lolcow. Plus claiming he himself knows better than an industry that has been working towards a solution for ages is kinda wild.

Also another point gaming has always had optimization issues not just UE either. He isn't bringing up anything new or unique lol.

[orchid iron]

I think calling Gamer Nexus or Hardware Unboxed marketing slaves severely destroys his credibility long term

Like yeah short term he'll get attention, but he's gonna need more than that to out weight such bad rep

[mighty patrol]

He's burning bridges before they even exist.

[wise elbow]

They would never get built

[mighty patrol]

Amd goes AI grift, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJcf2UGCH1w

[orchid iron]

-from AMD marketing slave

(now I'm just waiting for the intel edition so that TI really makes a fool of himself)

Because this AMD video took a while to make, so when he called GM out, this video was already in production xD

[mighty patrol]

https://www.xda-developers.com/windows-11-c-is-not-accessible-access-denied-bug/

[grave sundial]

Sounds like a window that should've been shut. 😛

[mighty patrol]

Soon ™

[torn gulch]

ASUS - ROG Strix G16 G615LW-RV190W 16 Pouces FHD Plus 165Hz Pc Portable, Processeur Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX, 32GB DDR5, 1TB SSD, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 16GB, Windows 11 Home, Clavier AZERTY
Bought this for 2400eu

[orchid iron]

For a laptop it is okay, likely will rise in price in a few months

[torn gulch]

I wanted to buy desktop but ram is so expensive

[mighty patrol]

Buy now pay later popping off

[orchid iron]

When France goes to war for the 100th time, you'll be able to quickly pack your things thanks to portability of a laptop

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/kluoZ9RhmVo?si=edtEobAAOiXEfX2d

Anyone know what server chassis is that at 10:35 ? Maybe not the exact model, but at least some keywords because I can't find it with "server blade "

Might be some really niche server blade

[median marsh]

or they made the front plate inhouse, they have a CNC machine or not?!

[orchid iron]

The front plate isn't that important, I'm just looking for the blades with same sizes as ATX PCs that could fit 2 or 3 GPUs so that all testing hardware could be in one thing

[orchid iron]

https://www.silverstonetek.com/en/product/info/computer-chassis/rm600/

Found something

[shrewd pecan]

Anyone familiar with dual booting MacBooks? Specifically the M4/M5s?

is it performant enough for lights UE programming/blueprinting?

[orchid iron]

What do you want to dual boot with Mac? Linux? I don't think there is much difference between the two in terms of performance

Although if you really hate Xcode, that's understandable

https://youtu.be/6I05pvkBDo0?si=_yXG6LD2Xx8xtCxR

Can Nvidia make us like them, that's the real question

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/H1a8YEOlpeY?si=HM8PJoyslPsFXkgX

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[vast plaza]

Is mac neo or a 3050 series laptop goood for developing unreal engine games

[orchid iron]

Depends on what you want to do, I used an Nvidia 960m 4gb laptop for years and I was able to use unreal engine 5.7

Was it usable? Yes
Did it do what I want to do? Also yes
Would others call it acceptable? Probably not xD

Taught me a lot about optimisations, project options and rendering xD

[vast plaza]

I wanna make indie games and stuff and Idk if I should go with mac neo or a lenovo loq or SMTH. But yes I also used a pc with pentium processor for years and have ran ue4 and other softwares lol

[orchid iron]

I'd say it mostly depends on the scope of your project

If you are okay with not having much poly on the scene and no ray tracing

Either one is good

[vast plaza]

Yes nothing complex scene arrangements or anything

Or I could go with the new M5 Air but idk if thatd worth it since I could get another laptop with a dedicated gpu for that price range

[wise elbow]

I'm not sure the neo is cut out for it

As long as you have a somewhat modern GPU, a modest CPU, and a good chunk of memory (ideally more than 16) it'll be fine

I did development on a Thinkpad with an 8th Gen i7 and a GTX 1050 equivalent and it was fine because I had 48gb of memory

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uvYt1GgcsUI

[agile lodge]

https://game.intel.com/us/stories/intel-precompiled-shaders-faster-loading-smoother-gaming/

[agile lodge]

also mobile CPU line get also Plus as well

[agile lodge]

https://newsroom.intel.com/client-computing/intel-launches-core-ultra-200hx-plus-series-mobile-processors

[orchid iron]

would be cool if we could have Xeon CPUs on laptops

[magic torrent]

Hey could you tell me more about unreal dev on a thinkpad? Which one did you use/full specs? Do you think it's worth getting one

Been windowshopping (online) for a laptop to do game development on when I'm outside the house/can't access my pc

I envy non-gamedev programmers who could just use a macbook anywhere without worrying much about specs

[wise elbow]

P51 with a 8th gen i7, Quadro p2000, 48gb of memory (added myself)

its fairly old now; 7-8 years

i think thinkpads are great, but its hard to get one with "competitive" specs compared to a gaming laptop

i bought a laptop in december and its a gaming laptop. i just couldnt justify a thinkpad with specs a lot weaker for more monies

they functionally arent any different from a normal laptop. but mine survived a lot of drunken student damage and random shit so the money goes somewhere

i still use the thinkpad for my telescope and CAD but its definitely below comfortable specs for gaming and gamedev

[magic torrent]

Thanks for letting me know! I've heard lots of praises about thinkpads and how I could just get a used one much cheaper and then replace parts, so I was really hoping for it to work for gamedev </3 but it's nice to see that it could be used for CAD

[mighty patrol]

https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/cpu-fraud-scandal-erupts-as-another-chinese-laptop-busted-with-a-fake-chip-second-device-sporting-a-disguised-ryzen-5500u-uncovered-after-vendor-threatens-legal-action

This company has done this twice now.

[grave sundial]

Should've put in a fake screen too.

[orchid iron]

and a fake keyboard

[wise elbow]

You can only replace certain parts. The CPU and GPU are essentially fixed barring extensive modification

They tend to have open slots for drives and memory, though

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/lbt8vnDzuyU?si=FjVSyNRzuHHdmLEn

Everyone gangsta until he puts real water in that copper heat pipe

[orchid iron]

The 250k+ and 270k+ seem to have much lower price than they should, is it perhaps a low stock amount play again?

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/PF4G_AJVvSc?si=nHycV4S4kAv1uxDU

[fallen oasis]

Is Intel's BOT done with AI?

[orchid iron]

Man, Intel 's PP package is so good

[vivid skiff]

latest iteration of my dev workstation
Not much changes to the PC itself but upgraded the audio system (and now in proper dedicated home office room)

[orchid iron]

That is some pretty strong peripheral setup

Will you also get the new steam controller when it comes out?

[vivid skiff]

Probably not, at least I don't use Steam Deck's additional buttons that much

[subtle rock]

Gigabyte Z790 EAGLE AX Motherboard .. can get it for £128

yes/no .. only need it for bifurication support for Nvidia A16 gpu.. but thought i would enquire with you guys if theres a cheaper intel Gen 14 route?

[orchid iron]

"Cheaper" is very dependent on your region

[subtle rock]

yeah that is fairly cheap as it is for what it is i suppose but its amazon refurb price

but without jumping to a modern xeon i dont think there much other options

you could backwards to ddr4 and do xeon that way fairly cheaper is all i was thinking

thing is either way the GPU needs to be validated if we are going to even keep it.. so it needs to pass a stress/stability test

regardless of the final outcome

which might be that we will sell it

[orchid iron]

Amazon refurb is like gambling, can you afford it?
(Although I don't know what's their warranty policy like and how well they honor it)

[subtle rock]

yeah good point... usually i dont like quibble too much over the price because of such things

I would rather just buy things factory fresh its never stood me wrong historically being strict that way not saying i never bought something refurbished with out reason but we are talking about the mainboard here

and yep its a expensive stress test if it goes wrong, fails, or i just decide i don't like the gpu for what ever reason..

one silver lining is that my workstation will directly benefit from the better chipset

but yep that gpu could be a bit more tameable if i understand things correctly.. the AI's are saying there are power connectors on the PCB so you could change it somehow to a active cooling solution

my idea was to just get a case where you can have 4 gentle typhoon high pressure fans funneled into a 3d printed piece that slots into the one back plate they prove that is basically just a rectangular orifice ...

[orchid iron]

"there are power connectors on the PCB so you could change it somehow to a active cooling solution"

What does that mean?

[orchid iron]

Sounds cool, can you make a quick sketch of it?

[subtle rock]

just wondering if i could make it in unreal modeling mode

or blender it either way

but yea for sure its just some 4u case

[subtle rock]

that means it can power its own fans

[orchid iron]

"change it somehow to a active cooling solution" so you were buying/owned a passively cooled GPU?

[subtle rock]

yeah it states is passive obviously

but who knows whats on the pcb

you cracked open many $3000 gpu's lately?

[orchid iron]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/384834305297?_skw=Nvidia+A16+water+block&itmmeta=01KMGGTRY42H9J0M986RNQCKHK&hash=item5999e97d11:g:Hr4AAOSwq11illJ2&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA8GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xD4Ds7jWf1yUbI7D%2FE8dzTgHqtvDhYe3gCgih3ad87XsiYToy8FbdBdfJv0Q5Yw3NI4PuQF835Ike6gEC0ZXhE2qYybs%2BTQf%2F4mtD0qRWOhRNQTNc1rEQqruwUsmBZQtHcM11MMvdq8859xlbnAjkkP3oTq67Ed4E0MctOivHWgmxJ4pQftTp9%2BNSlMLiVTEaw7eEIFp6plqsXVEO1MbREwwRiElDqqRCzt1LQF2sWjsXzKqYrfBsuSjzcqC88Vy5FbSWI7PR23a9K7SPHTgs4PfNM9ktAx5dX5Q0XnXaxa9A%3D%3D|tkp%3ABFBMoo_rkKRn

[orchid iron]

I misunderstood what GPU were were talking about, that's why I was so confused xD

found this online, now I see what you wanna do, pretty cool

[subtle rock]

ah ok wow

that is basically kind of what i was thinking

i just imagined it in a server outset

but ATX would be even more awesome

now how to get one to the uk 🙂

[subtle rock]

we here in uk are so censored from every thing

sir kier dumb shit to thank for that

[mighty patrol]

Rip sorry for your loss.

[subtle rock]

aye

[mighty patrol]

Hardware harder to get there in general as well?

More limits etc

[subtle rock]

they never negotiated a good deal with trump

our ppl are disgraceful for sure

[mighty patrol]

🙏 for Rupert Lowe

[subtle rock]

its difficult in the uk what with muslim mayors and what not

[mighty patrol]

But they just want more hardware!

[subtle rock]

i doubt they will get allot of anything if they keep pumping and dumping the oil markets

[mighty patrol]

and other markets 👀

Also this was cool to see more of, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8mmn9lOIyw

[subtle rock]

if you keep shaking the confidence out no mater what your trading its going to be bad lol

[mighty patrol]

Watching billions flake off all those tech companies was neat

[subtle rock]

you can pump and dump as much as you like .. but if you smash the confidence then no new blood will come in

[mighty patrol]

But then maybe they will have to build our trust back

With lower prices 🙂

One can hope

[subtle rock]

yeah lol like $1000 btc

asda rollback price to 1990

[subtle rock]

holy hell

some one beat the board to death

never seen a modern slot beaten so badly 😂

unbelievable scenes

[mighty patrol]

Did it still work?

B70 looking good!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTJr2msyqGY

[subtle rock]

yeah that would be intersting in multiple card setup

[subtle rock]

i justt saw it on ebay but yeah maybe should ring the 🚔 for that mobo

[subtle rock]

asus will have the 🚑 on scene

media will be involved with there 🚁

[orchid iron]

Nah, the board needs Jesus to ascend to heaven

https://youtube.com/shorts/H6ymLfFHSVw?si=kanfPWoM1yjbt_3y

This is exactly what I was looking to do xD

Can't find a rack that supports 140mm, so I guess I gotta drill some holes

[agile lodge]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/discrete-gpus/arc/workstations/b-series/overview.html

b70 b65 arcs

[orchid iron]

Awesome!

[grave sundial]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-launches-arc-pro-b70-at-949-with-32gb-gddr6-memory

$949 dollars. 🙁

I love the 32GB VRAM though.

[median marsh]

that's still pretty weak compared to e.g. a 5070 🙁

[grave sundial]

Expected. It's an NVidia monopoly.

[median marsh]

b70 367 TOPS, 5070 (non ti) 988 TOPS

yes, but it's also not margins slower, but also wastes the same amount of energy

i wish Intel would catch up, but those numbers don't look like they made much progress in the last 1-2 years 🙁

[grave sundial]

How about I assuage your concerns with this free nuke plant in your backyard?

[median marsh]

is Intel into nuclear?!

[grave sundial]

Uh, I don't know. Lemme see.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/content-details/823734/case-study-enabling-breakthroughs-in-nuclear-fusion.html

They do, they invest in studying nuclear fusion.

[median marsh]

well, fusion is not fission, so...

i guess the B70 could be acceptable under the terms of enabling fusion reactors 🤷

[grave sundial]

I'll pass on account of price. 😄

https://www.intelligentliving.co/lisuan-extreme-lx-series-gpu/

Some details about the Lisuan GPU.

It'll be on sale in June.

[median marsh]

that cards performance seems to be closer to a 5070 than the Intel B70

and they got a 24GB version...

so bye Intel i guess

[grave sundial]

The Lisuan-y people said they have proprietary code. So, I am eager to see its performance.

[orchid iron]

One day, 100gb of vram will be the budget option for GPUs

[mighty patrol]

and we will welcome back PS2 graphics

[tribal ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-fatima-zatima-cut-it-out-bet-networks-gif-15011333061627781879

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/x-67v1m6Io8?si=M3H09KasteEmzU7n

Here they are

[tribal ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/covering-eyes-jake-kiszka-greta-van-fleet-close-your-eyes-i-cant-see-gif-18776608

[grave sundial]

Is NVidia even keeping up with the demand though?

I heard their backlog for 2026 is already high.

[orchid iron]

Backlog for ram and storage suppliers is like, maybe we got room in 2028

[grave sundial]

Time to hire some robots to guard the logistics trucks.

https://soranews24.com/2026/03/27/japan-now-has-a-special-desk-for-people-who-work-at-home-with-a-pet-catphotos/

For cat developers.

$160 on Amazon.

[feral cypress]

Thoughts on 9950x3d2?

I think it looks pretty good

[wise elbow]

I don't know why it exists

They've historically only put the x3d cache on one CCD because the performance penalty from using more than one makes it shit for games

There's maybe some niche programs where the extra cache on the other 8 cores will matter but you might as well just buy a server cpu

[median marsh]

probably depends on how processes handle it

there's wasn't much reason yet to group CPU cores by some rules, which likely changed with P/E cores from intel, so i could aswell see apps automatic sticking to a specific set of cores (because they can make use of shared cache)

[fallen oasis]

Never gonna work, though. Cats will just sit on top.

[median marsh]

i think the spot for the orange cat might work if you have a warm tower below 😄

[orchid iron]

For gaming, the 9800x3d is still better because no CCD to CCD communication required

For productivity, the 9950x makes more sense due how little the difference matters

But if you want the current best, for a non Xeon/threadripper platform......for just 6 months, then it makes sense

[feral cypress]

Wow, it really doesn’t seem like a great deal then

I mean they are advertising the x3d2 to be really powerful, seems like they wanna charge like 700 dollars for it

[orchid iron]

It depends, normally if you were on am4 with a 5950x or a 3950x, then it would have been pretty good deal

But the ram price kinda killed it

So it would be for those who already are on am5...which they already have good CPUs and in less than half a year zen6 will come out

[feral cypress]

Oh wow zen 6 alr coming out? I thought zen 5 came out like 2 years ago

[orchid iron]

Zen6 end of this year or really early 2027, zen7 coming real soon too

[white horizon]

24 core config

🤤

[feral cypress]

Why is zen 7 alr planned when zen 6 isnt even out and doesnt have a single release date

[orchid iron]

12 core in one CCD for the new "11800x3d"

[feral cypress]

We have been on zen 5 for how long now?

[orchid iron]

They have 2 CPU teams

So once one finishes their products, they move on to not the one after, but the one after after

So zen5 released while Zen6 was already years in development

[feral cypress]

Ohh

[orchid iron]

I'm waiting on that sweet zen7 32 core config both CCDs with 3d vcache

[white horizon]

I'm on a 7950X so i'll probably upgrade

When I upgrade I'll redo my watercooling from scratch too

Make it less of a pain in the ass to maintain

[orchid iron]

Wouldn't it be better to get the zen6 flagship when it comes out?

[white horizon]

What would be the zen 6 flagship in this case

[orchid iron]

24 cores, just like you said yeah

[white horizon]

yeah

defo what i'm getting

likely non X3D version but idk

[orchid iron]

I just wasn't sure if you were referring to the 9950x3d2 or the 24 core zen6

[white horizon]

I'd need to see what kind of losses I'd get between regular and X3D for Unreal stuff

But for gaming it might be cool

[white horizon]

yeah nah i'm skipping the 9000s

I like to skip a gen when I upgrade

My 4090 will stay in my PC until a 6090 comes out

and even then - might not upgrade tbh

[orchid iron]

It is a mild hassle to make sure there isn't cross CCD communication reducing FPS

[white horizon]

I mean it's a workstation first and foremost

I'm fine with less gaming performance if it's beefy for work

I just wonder if X3D would reduce work performance

[orchid iron]

What if the 6090 is delayed 2-3 years?

[white horizon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

My 4090 runs buttery smooth

It's also watercooled

[orchid iron]

Only case where that is true is specifically for the x3d of zen3 and zen4 since the cache on top of cores does reduce the clocks because it can't heat up as high or it'll cause issues in the cache

[white horizon]

But it'd be fine for zen5/6?

If so awesome, defo getting the X3D variant when it comes out heh

[orchid iron]

Yeah, cache is below cores, so no cooling issues

[white horizon]

sweet

When the time comes I'll upgrade to that + replace my entire watercooling setup with probably external watercooling

[orchid iron]

How big will the rad fan wall be xD

[white horizon]

right now I have 3 360 radiators with 3 fans each

• one fan for intake

so can't be worse than that

I'll probably get one of these

I don't think i'll need more than that tbh

[orchid iron]

I got 1080 on my computer

Is that the resolution of your screen?

No, it is the rad size xD

[white horizon]

lmao

hey if I can toss out the rads in my PC, switch to soft tubing, and get it easier to maintain

i'll take it

[orchid iron]

Soft tubing is soooo much better to work with

[white horizon]

yeah i made the mistake of using hard tubing

never again

i'll go with soft tubing + quick disconnects

[orchid iron]

Looks amazing for shows, but as a daily driver it is so annoying

[white horizon]

and i'll place the pump on the external watercooling instead of inside the PC probably

yea

I mean my pump died earlier this month

had to order a new one and spend a whole day disassembling the loop, changing the pump out, re-assembling and refilling

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/I1YiBrC5lLU?si=mDUekb0TwptPa1g-

[wise elbow]

A 9950x3d has identical if not slightly better performance than a 9800x3d for games

[wise elbow]

I believe windows does that to a degree now, but you have to use a program to guarantee a process only uses the resources you want

I've noticed 9/10 times it doesn't matter if it's going across CCDs...

[wise elbow]

I'm guessing it'll be over 1k

My only complaint about x3d is that it seems to hate memory over clocking

I don't know anyone with a 9800 or 9950x3d that hasn't had issues with memory stability

[orchid iron]

For single player games with a lot of poly to render sure

[orchid iron]

Hopefully the new memory controller of zen6 changes things

[wise elbow]

that would be ideal

zen 5 memory controller is awful

i had a friends build completely fail to post due to a shitty memory controller

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4alh8M0SpY

[fallen oasis]

Ice cooled? I'd imagine things getting wet.

[mighty patrol]

Not if you recycle the water but yeah he ended up with leaks mostly from the shitty pump he used.

[fallen oasis]

Condensation too.

Probably a big issue.

[mighty patrol]

Surprisingly he didn't have that issue

Maybe would if he ran it for an extended period

Plan was to use materials that would reduce such risk I think

Then again he's not an engineer

[fallen oasis]

Getting airflow over the exterior can fix it.

Keeps the water airborne.

[orchid iron]

the stuff he pulls on old hardware...I'd rather have them gathering dust instead of being tortured by this guy imo

[white horizon]

<@&213101288538374145>

[feral cypress]

Yo guys can someone shoot me a few good performance Minecraft mods

Running a celeron n4120 with 4 gigs ram what we got

[mighty patrol]

Sounds like something a minecraft community would know more about.

[feral cypress]

Im not in one and im too lazy to join one

Ugh yk what lemme join one

[orchid iron]

1.7.10 with optifine and no other mods xD

[wise elbow]

didn't watch the video but generally ice is a terrible coolant

[fallen oasis]

Yeah. I imagine it's not a great conductor.

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHItbgHutVo

[wise elbow]

It just doesn't flow. Stagnant water is a terrible coolant because it immediately forms a barrier of hot water which doesn't cool as well

It's why increasing flow increases cooling. You are essentially constantly replacing the hot water layer with cool water

It has diminishing returns though. You can only cool as fast as cold water physically can

Same reason why a ceiling fan feels "cool" even though the moving air is the same temperature; it's a lot better at transferring heat

If it was hot air though, faster hot air would feel hotter 🙃

[fallen oasis]

I kind of imagined they'd have a liquid transport layer too...

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/ricolino-scolari-gif-12061360726599077047

[lunar aurora]

car radiator ass cooling solution

[lunar aurora]

at the low, low price of 10 grand :)

[orchid iron]

vroom vroom

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtF_SKoS-3M

[median marsh]

neat, Jay really makes nice builds sometimes

but the case.... would look cleaner if the LCD was flat at the front

case could be like 10cm shorter then, total waste of space 😄

[mighty patrol]

Buy it is good clearance for airflow though

If you have 2 radiators pulling intake lol

[median marsh]

it's useless?! i bet it rather makes the airflow worse

[mighty patrol]

I'm sure we will tell when he finishes his build

He wants 4 radiators so lol

Plus other fans

[median marsh]

i would rather casemod that thing

put some car tinting foil in the front area, and mount own LCD 🤷

[mighty patrol]

Surprised more people don't 3d print their own cases

[median marsh]

i wouldn't print the whole case

rather buy a good base and print some custom parts 🤷

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/I1YiBrC5lLU?si=mDUekb0TwptPa1g-

hopefully one day Jay does a build like this xD

[wise elbow]

3d printed materials typically have poor thermal properties

and structural properties

it's also pretty hard to make them work reliably with things like screws. the layers like to separate when driving a screw into them

I recently bought a printer for hobby projects and materials that can withstand relatively high temps and be strong are expensive

[orchid iron]

that dealt physical damage to me somehow

[agile lodge]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DWkyrOmlS3z/

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[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSTe8Pi9J_8

[wise elbow]

whole image is ai generated lmao

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMsUbLNyuiw

[orchid iron]

I know, that's what makes it worse, because a human would at least structure it in a way that would makes sense

[orchid iron]

The one using AI should of kept using AI for the over-clocking part

And Nic should of asked the salesman or Jay of how to OC their system

Not like this is a good time to OC with ram prices, all systems should of probably be ran at stock (with ram xmp/expo enabled)

[agile lodge]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/trendforce-says-ddr5-ram-kit-prices-have-fallen-sharply-in-us-europe-and-china-but-that-contract-memory-prices-remain-stable/

[median marsh]

https://www.rebocap.com/ seen someone test them on twitch, not too bad given that they're only $200 for a 15 sensor pack

[mighty patrol]

Yoo

I've been watching this for years https://www.rokoko.com/