hardware

[wise elbow]

2 years no ram a pretty long time

[tough owl]

depends, since RAM manufacturers insist on not increasing production capacity because they got stood up last time and were left with massive stocks

a smart move would be to prioritize consumer market, then sell leftovers to datacenters

because once that bubble pops, consumer market will still be there

[wise elbow]

realistically it won't be a "pop" as much of a severe consolidation of resources

sure a bunch of companies will go under but like 3 others are going to absorb all that hardware

[tough owl]

OpenAI just announced putting ads to their chats, so thats a sign investors are worried

[orchid iron]

that's the thing, consumer market will still be there, big margin data centers? Not always

[somber surge]

Consumer market is probably worth pennies though compared to DC

Just like Nvidia

When 95% of your revenue comes from AI, you will of course prioritize as much as possible on that

Especially if you are afraid of it not lasting very long :p

[orchid iron]

oh yeah, they all know it is a bubble that'll burst, that's why they don't want to over-supply

apart from SK-hynix, they aren't big enough to actually over-supply

[subtle rock]

it has Pro in the name that one

[subtle rock]

any one had the pleasure of using shop.app heh

all a guy wants is a tracking number these days

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/6WAsLjcAzg8?si=UP0X5Qy_lQvr5urG

Least cringy pc ad

[subtle rock]

well it certainly is making allot of noise over a ssd

[grave sundial]

Does that actually help? Connecting the SSD with the GPU to extend memory, I mean.

Do SSDs crunch as fast as GPUs? Or vice versa.

[subtle rock]

i didnt realize that was to bolster vram.. but yeah if the sdd's fast enough and not going to be a bottle neck every thing.. it should work

return of the co-processors!

I remember back in the days when co-processors where around and we where always like i wonder if it really makes that much difference and one day we got what asked for a system intel 286 with co-pro ... notiably quicker

[grave sundial]

Off of Gemini:
Speed: A high-end NVMe SSD can achieve sequential read speeds of around 7 to 12 GB/s. This is the speed at which it can move data.
Speed: A modern consumer gaming GPU often provides 10 to 20 TFLOPS of performance, and high-end server GPUs can reach hundreds of TFLOPS.

Even if that's way off, SSD's do seem slower to me than GPUs.

Oh well....

whatever helps.

hmm, let me tweak what I am asking Gemini a bit.

Wokay, assuming that's not way off, that's no good either.

But....

From Gemini: --- Exceptional Power Efficiency: Built on TSMC's 6nm process, the E28 dramatically reduces both active (by about 30%) and idle (by over 90%) power consumption compared to its predecessor, the E26. This allows it to be used in laptops and game consoles without requiring bulky, active cooling solutions (like fans).
High-Speed Performance: The controller achieves impressive sequential read/write speeds of up to 14.9 GB/s, effectively maximizing the available bandwidth of the PCIe 5.0 x4 interface. ---

That power saving is probably a big draw for massive AI centers.

And makes training AIs faster because of the AI integration.

@mighty cosmos Would this actually help in AI training? ^

[subtle rock]

in fairness because its pci-express 5... i think its basically saying its at least half as fast as that.. interms of access to the memory

[grave sundial]

🤔 I totally dig the power savings though. I've read enough complaints about power draws and energy demands.

[wise elbow]

it's awful

[subtle rock]

isnt it!

how long did they make you wait??

[wise elbow]

better trying to find your tracking number somewhere and look it up manually

[subtle rock]

i emailed them a while back now for carrier / tracking

its basically shopyfi or what ever not this shop.app any way

I am so angered with my self for not pulling the trigger else where quicker

[fallen oasis]

Seems like it'll be as painful as using a swap file.

[subtle rock]

i think so imagine playing a game and the bandwidths streaming along for memory access and then you go past 48GB or something and then the entire system reduces it memory access rate by a divider of 2

but nothing to bad happens i guess

[wise elbow]

GPU vram and computational power is very high

they can process data way faster than you can feed it typically iirc

[grave sundial]

So, Gemmy is right.
I guess the power savings will be the highlight.

[wise elbow]

even the best SSD is dirt slow compared to memory... which is dirt slow compared to cache and registers

[subtle rock]

registers are living in the sub pico second world

[wise elbow]

yup

Intel had optane drives a few years ago (maybe they still exist?) that were essentially very very fast ssds that could act as memory

they were pretty niche use though iirc

[subtle rock]

yeah i do remember that

i wanted to try that on a few poples builds but they all decided to expensive

[wise elbow]

I could never figure out a use for them

[subtle rock]

yeah it was just a case of if they could opt for them

[wise elbow]

I'm sure in the server world they have an application

they were pushed for gaming for a little bit which I thought was disingenuous

[subtle rock]

new obscure thing they cant really understand

if they say no fair enough

[wise elbow]

especially since that was in the era of ssds being crazy expensive

[subtle rock]

yep

[wise elbow]

I think my first one in 2012 was a 512gb and it was hundreds of dollars or something

now a 4tb drive ain't even that much lol

[subtle rock]

first time i discovered fast on chip storage was on the older form factors

[wise elbow]

what was it? scuzzy or whatever?

[subtle rock]

like just things like MMC

that was basically a chip

and a bit faster

[wise elbow]

ah

[subtle rock]

like before usb had been reduced to 4 circuits

[wise elbow]

before my time lol

[subtle rock]

but yeah this talk of of 80Gbps usb 4 is making me question why i am not hearing about 500Gbp/s ethernet or something

[wise elbow]

It's a thing in servers, I believe

[subtle rock]

yeah not duplexed is what i am saying

[wise elbow]

for consumer devices though USB is a lot more interesting

ah

[subtle rock]

unless they duplex and cheat also in usb 4

which is fair enough

easier for them then the isp to keep changing the amount of channels vs the amount of cables

[fallen oasis]

2 is very conservative.

[subtle rock]

on raw numbers your right .. in real world it could even be dramatically worsened

[fallen oasis]

Yes! By conservative I mean it woudl drop by a factor of 50, not 2 😛

[wise elbow]

^

[subtle rock]

i dont doubt it guys

i am optimist

but yeah untill some trys one

[agile lodge]

hardare prices on ram vram and ram prices on consumer market up

[subtle rock]

i wouldnt put that in my daily driver at the minute basicallly

[wise elbow]

yeah it sucks

the memory kit I bought at the start of the year is over 600 dollars now

[orchid iron]

the ddr4 kit i bought for 240$ is now almost 800$

[subtle rock]

well that esculates ⚖️

[orchid iron]

It is flipping ddr4!!! Like wtf

[subtle rock]

i know i found it weird that another trader i met did not have any interest what so ever in my 16gb ddr4 kit ... i was not even remotely interested nah? ..

nop

i sold it in like 10 minutes flat on ebay the next day

that shit baffles me but i also dont care 😄

[agile lodge]

https://videocardz.com/newz/micron-kills-off-crucial-cosnumer-brand-to-focus-on-ai-and-enterprise

[mighty patrol]

Cool what's next

Corsair stops making them to

[subtle rock]

the memory makers want ai

fucking daft beggers

[median marsh]

corsair is a brand of micron iirc apparently not

[orchid iron]

NOOOOOOOO

I loved their consumer stuff so much

Why

Whyyyyy

[orchid iron]

Anyways, these are the kinds of system specs we'll see on the used market after the crash, pretty good...a small 17 TB of LPDDR5X with ecc

Also, each month seems to add a new reason as to why EVGA leaving Nvidia was the best idea ever

[mighty patrol]

That's it

Rookie numbers

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-up-those-numbers-excited-party-upthosenumbers-lets-get-it-higher-gif-11528706896862961815

[mighty patrol]

Good ol Jellywig

[subtle rock]

that was the thread ripper guy

[pearl quartz]

I thought Corsair just make RGB with stuff attached

[orchid iron]

Corsair pays other companies to do their products and then puts their logo on it

[tribal ruin]

We All need to remember EVERYTHING deep down, behind the label is Chinese.

[orchid iron]

https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMeet X300 Series/index.asp#Specification

[mighty patrol]

Repacking*

[orchid iron]

What do you guys think of the ASRock deskmeet vs the steamachine?

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-deskmeet-x600-series-barebone-system-deskmeet-x600w/p/N82E16856158094

Pc case, Mobo and PSU for less than 200$

[wise elbow]

One is a complete system and one isnt

[pearl quartz]

the controller doesnt cost nothing either

[median marsh]

i think it looks pretty neat, if it wasn't asrock...

you can probably build a more powerful system, which actually allows to replace components if they fail

[agile lodge]

oh this got spicy https://youtu.be/95k6DC17Rec?si=FD7DK5xDjd3s8xsK

[orchid iron]

I knew it! It was way too suspicious to have a performance hit by using emulation on the vr headset

(for reference, that uses an arm chip)

[tough owl]

when Microsoft threatened to force everyone to their walled garden store, Valve started SteamOS project.
I wonder what Meta did to invoke the wrath of Valve for them to release the Frame

[tribal ruin]

Why Corsair Revenue Plummeting like that?

this is not RAM shortage this looks something more and vicious

[wise elbow]

hasn't Corsair been constantly falling since their IPO?

[tribal ruin]

it seems like on social media people are creating too much unnecessary panic, this issues existed every decade within 2 years it should get resolved

[nova moss]

i just receiving the news, RAM still increase price, so expensive now

[tribal ruin]

https://youtube.com/shorts/r9j0rJ3Jdq8?si=pY_8yH90z6zC2HLm

[orchid iron]

Yeah, they even blamed the delayed release of GTA 6 for their dropping value

[median marsh]

i feel like memory manufactors are trying to pull off an nvidia...

they may have realized they are only 3 brands which produce DRAM...

[tribal ruin]

its temporary we have seen worse than this. max 2 years this will last till then take good care of All your pc parts

[tribal ruin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A-eeJP0J7c

Corruption

[subtle rock]

Hi Wheres my tracking number:

... hours/days laters

Hi I still dont have a tracking order i ordered it bla bla days ago during bussiness hours!?

The delay is due to the way our UK warehouse operates 

... many hours/days laters
The Package has left China! via FedEx - Fedex Tracking 432532654

in fairness to those fedex guys now they have it they are bombing in some type of jet i dont know of ha

but yeah it was in china, then it went to deli, then to france, then i guess fedex will slow mo it the rest of the way the UK lol

knowing how things are

probably turn up in a horse and cart

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/xtnMo43w8H4?si=TJDTrn8enJsqNXsh

Ah yes, the Intel RX Banana Ti Super

[orchid iron]

Not even 6000 MHz but still MSRP of a 4090

[somber surge]

4090 has only 24GB though

[orchid iron]

🤣

[mighty patrol]

https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1997097324431192199?s=20

Autism Capital 🧩 (@AutismCapital)

Found this awesome deal on 64GB of DDR5 RAM.

X · Dec 6, 2025, 12:14 AM

[orchid iron]

ON SALE

[mighty patrol]

More crazy to me is there's even a limit to how many you can buy.

[orchid iron]

LIMITED ON SALE

[orchid iron]

Open AI employees be buying those secretly

[mighty patrol]

Making fake people just to buy it

[orchid iron]

ain't no way those are getting bought by normal people, but employees of a greedy company? Yeah I'd believe that more than those prices

[mighty patrol]

Likely more than just them to

[orchid iron]

Found a way to get over 100 GB of ram for about 1-2 $ per GB, but I ain't sharing until I know it isn't gonna get someone in trouble

[agile lodge]

i bet you get gpu with that price

[nova moss]

i thought they buying RAM?

[tribal ruin]

Seriously so these AI guys buying all the ram for this price ??

[orchid iron]

Yeah, how else would they afford it?

Moore's Law is dead said some of his contacts in the pc shop had a bunch of "LLC employees" buying all / or at least try to buy all ram kits at and above 64gb

In fairness, could be Google, meta etc

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/yFppaKe5uTo?si=YYbEvRT0ybT5UVxc

[subtle rock]

one of Coolermasters AIO gpu solutions would of probably be more effective and less cumbersome on the gpu side lol ... also he didn't show temps 🧩

in fairness his chan is called "trash bench"

[subtle rock]

christ on a bike.. i knew once it hit our shores it would just sit there and blob about .. fucking UK!

2 Hours in london traffic to go from the airport hub to van hub

when this device arrives i think i will buy some fake passport stickers for it

[orchid iron]

Lol, most of my packages are a complete mystery until they arrive in the local delivery storage

[subtle rock]

i honestly wouldn't of ordered it if they had of been honest about its origins.. but it is a fairly unique device and for the price point... i just have to try it .. seems like a too good to be true job.. but we will see.. the device is a https://www.nearstream.us/portable-audio-mixer-amix40u

and yeah if it actually has a pink power button i am going to color it in black straight waay 🗯️

but yep trying to stay optimistic 😄

[orchid iron]

Imagine if it just said "on its way" for all that time lol

[subtle rock]

yeh or no tracking number ever even provided ha

just keep peeping through the curtains is that fed-ex ?? .. no just a radom van 🙁

man i have had more then a few times like that when waiting for customers parts

[grave sundial]

I look at the tracking info in the same way as I look at treasure maps from the years of yore in video games.

They don't matter here. Tracking might say that your package is 'on the way' and it'll be delivered in half an hour, or maybe after a week.

It's just a suggestion. 🤣

[orchid iron]

same lmao xD

[tribal ruin]

the book you sent me useful in game dev??

[orchid iron]

It is useful for everything in life, including game Dev

You'll be able to lead a team efficiently and effectively with it

Or be aware of how a proper team functions

[grave sundial]

What's the title of this magical tome?

[tribal ruin]

Nice

[orchid iron]

Think and grow rich, by Napoleon hill
One of the books that gave the USA a "motivational" reputation

[subtle rock]

well it finally came ...and yeh very nice device for shenzheng province so worth the wait i guess

also purple power button ✅

[orchid iron]

A symbol of noblity

[subtle rock]

its not to bad in real life reminds me of extreme networking nobility 😄

if it where a managed device that would be ultra cool

but really nice thing is it comes with a cable that can power and access otg on one port

so it can stream into it self and output on its own outputs

literally it sees its inputs as a microphone array

and its outputs as a speaker lol

just brilliant for streaming stuff

only one bad thing is that they havnt implement Kernel Streaming support or WDM in there yet

for input

or asio for that mater but you got no doubt it will come with otg port like it has etc

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/Sw3tgTipUy8?si=nkgR60CRppXTTm_a

[orchid iron]

This is why I thought YouTubers reccomending ddr4 memory for new builds were stupid

[agile lodge]

the post there about it https://www.servethehome.com/hyper-scalers-are-using-cxl-to-lower-the-impact-of-ddr5-supply-constraints-marvell-arm/

[orchid iron]

Yeah, so hyperscalors, instead of spreading used ddr4 ram in the market for consumers to use, will instead use it for themselves

So ddr4 prices will follow ddr5 pretty much

[agile lodge]

well ddr4 sticks you can reuse on setups in hyperscalers

if more reasonable priced ram prices so homelabbers can get those

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/mxTj5xcd1-Y?si=zdTSzpm-buTvmgoe

This shortage might last longer than expected

[wise elbow]

Like 2 years

[median marsh]

i could bet that nvidia is at an peak with their current gpu architecture anyways

[orchid iron]

This AI bubble is being fed by countries to "beat" other countries, in other words, as long as governments see a use in it, we'll keep having ram shortage

[tribal ruin]

Yup Its Politics. You as a customer are Buying into their Political Agenda and money grabbing

[orchid iron]

https://hwbusters.com/news/intel-underestimated-demand-for-core-ultra-200/

Intel products are coming back home it seems

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/Wgudm1ZVIOs?si=QJO3Oj30XC6eb75E

[feral cypress]

That is NOT a laptop if its fitting a whole GPU

GPUS nowadays can house a small family

[wise elbow]

just rip the cooler off

[fallen oasis]

I have a 5080 in my laptop. Still pretty thin.

[somber surge]

https://youtu.be/LpAZF_-qsI8

AMD killing it again

I really wonder if they do any testing on their tech before release 🤣

[wise elbow]

Probably rushing to get it out by the holidays

[wise elbow]

Sure but a mobile 5080 and desktop are very different

Cooler is massive for a reason

[orchid iron]

it was indeed fitting a whole GPU

he just ripped the cooler off

[feral cypress]

Oh lol

That actually explains everything

[orchid iron]

nowadays the oversized gpu coolers are just for "maximum overclocking"

that like 1% of people would do

but hey, marketing!

[mighty patrol]

Aww it looked so promising

[wise elbow]

tbf it also makes them effectively silent

[orchid iron]

oh yeah

[open lintel]

My Dell monitor started showing weird fuzzy display from the right side. The whitish part in the first pic developed over months, it didn't bother me much as it was noticeable on dark background, not when the screen showed something white or light colored anything but the black patch started growing within a day. What could be happening to it?

[subtle rock]

just found this very cool thing ... for thosed people that dont have a ASIO Hardware, some guy made this FlexAsio thing (github) ... which just maps it self to the default sound device by default .. but yeah! way better then the asio4all .. and is actually nice and stable and the first daw i tried it in worked flawlessly

and also better then nothing if your device is a line / instrument level usb mixer device

not sure if any one knows but does ASIO have like some type of buffer health reporting status ?

the daw i connected to flexasio changed all my buffer meters from regular blue to green like as if to say it thinks its healthy now or can detect that it is ..

[subtle rock]

dont lie it where you thumped because unreal angered you 😂

only playing 🙂 ..

nice displays is on my whishlist also

[orchid iron]

Hopefully displays won't get hit by price increase

[subtle rock]

but yeah in one hand i want them to get shot of allot of this 2025 tech a allot of it is kind garbage

get back to basics with bus driven sound interfaces etc

not fucking arounding with these chinese dsps

no offence china i do luve you guys

but yep flex asio its a real "means to a end"

[fallen oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/alot-allot-gif-18541412

[subtle rock]

i am the mist guy

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/RV847y2Q96c?si=Q3cn0Dx0PLaXyJFC

Apparently AMD puts ram along with their chips?

[subtle rock]

still mad with gpus?

i am mad with argb if they dont go away with that stuff i will be upset

any thing to make the customer forget about diagnostics and stuff

[fallen oasis]

I'm looking for a 4 to 8TB gen 5 nvme ssd. Anyone got some recommendations?

[wise elbow]

I've heard the Samsung 9100s or whatever are fine

out of curiosity, what are you gonna use it for?

[fallen oasis]

UE dev

Lots of compiling!

Well that was a lot of money.

[wise elbow]

I wonder if a gen5 would even give better compilation performance compared to gen4

I personally haven't seen speedup with gen5 outside of scientific programs that have hundred gigabyte libraries being streamed from disk

[fallen oasis]

We'll find out!

[median marsh]

got a 990 EVO Plus for a few months now and can't complain

perk over the 990 Pro is that the Evo Plus can also run on 2x PCIex5 lanes

[tough owl]

to me it seems they are accidentally calculating the velocity from generated frame, not the real frame

at least it looks like it's stalling right before next real frame

[orchid iron]

That's really good since Samsung is going to pull out of cheap products just like micron

[median marsh]

where did you get that info from?

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/qtQzR4ASkW8?si=ln6z5n2-smHva9oI

They'll still sell ssds, just no more sata ssd

[median marsh]

well.. "at some point in the next years" 😄

s-ata is pretty much dead anyways and replaced by M2 in new systems

[fallen oasis]

Indeed.

[orchid iron]

Yeah, now the motherboard is basically a landmine which if you place an M.2 in the wrong slot, will make the GPU run at x8

I lokey wanna grab a board with like 7 m.2 slots and put m.2 to pcie x16 adapters for GPUs in all of them...
And run on a sata drive to see if the system works xD

[fallen oasis]

Makes me wonder how many pcie slots I have / have used.

[tough owl]

well that would be down to how many PCI lanes your CPU can support

[median marsh]

my motherboard had a pretty clear overview of what happens when the m2 slots are occupied

nvm, it doesn't because it's idiot proof (one slot on the CPU, the other on the chipset)

[orchid iron]

Love those

[tough owl]

then you can also save lanes by switching lane generation for GPU

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_azA9dwvjEg

[fallen oasis]

28 apparently.

I think I'm fine.

[tough owl]

it's not much but gets you the basics

gotta remember that usb and sata controllers also take lanes

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/VFZLnrJkpMI?si=cOPz-WvdYgu4L2cv

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/dhlACHfo9aQ?si=fB5wu0qioF0dSc5t

"the more you buy, the more you save" was a warning

[wise elbow]

would just have I/O limited by pcie lanes

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brTFQ3LnBeU

[tough owl]

[insert company here] will do THIS if you try to repair their products

obviously every company is against it, it's bad for business

if they really want you to repair their stuff, they will release the wiring schematics

[median marsh]

99,9% of costumers couldn't repair anything modern anyways

tho i think old TVs used to come with schematics

[agile lodge]

yeah now make ai to do it

[wise elbow]

it's more so now that you can't even take something to a technician to get repaired

no one was repairing their own TVs unless they were very handy; even with the schematic

but you would take it to an electronics repair store and someone would fix it

[mighty patrol]

1 petabyte in 4 drives 😮 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivLvsTnp9fI

8 years later it happened!

[orchid iron]

Oh hey, you found my dell laptop before I disassembled it xD

[wise elbow]

I like that design

soft on tables

[plush jungle]

Those batteries are about to fkn explode huh

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/9kcWJE4_8bw?si=tfMDWf0_UsQohg55

[wise elbow]

mine is so caked with dust it might as well be fanless

[pearl quartz]

This is interesting, its the new SOCAMM2. Would be so cool if we could get these memory modules on GPUs for upgradability
https://bucket-image.inkmaginecms.com/version/hd/9dde7c0f-a597-445c-80dd-9a93db8a4006/image/2025/10/84fbdbb3-9184-4dc2-8c8b-bc715a0df7c0.jpg

[fallen oasis]

The answer: not really on this hardware. I think it would give performance boosts on a beefier machine (not top tier laptop, but a top tier pc)

The 14GB/s read speed from crystalmark is nice, though.

[orchid iron]

There was an article someone trying to put ram slot on amd GPUs way back

And there is a GPU start-up that wants to make Zeus GPUs that have laptop ram as expandable memory, they said production would start in 2027, so let's see if they become real

[median marsh]

issue is always the contact surface area with new modules, as their frequency is usually so damn high

and it adds distance, which is also bad for the signal

[orchid iron]

Oh yeah, quite troublesome to implement, but if done correctly, would perform better than the GPU using system ram, as that needs to go through the CPU first

[sleek stag]

I have a 13900K CPU and am thinking about upgrading. Should I go with a Core 9 Ultra 285? I am mainly doing development with some gaming here and there. When I do game I am not trying to hit 4k resolution with ultra settings, etc.

[orchid iron]

That platform only has 285k and a refresh coming for it (which barely has any kind of performance uplift)

Either wait for nova lake (leaks showed intel wants to put 4 generations of CPUs onto their next platform)

Or get into AM5 ( there is zen6 and zen7 coming onto it)

https://youtu.be/d32KeZBHVdA?si=j1qNv00p0sT_hXv7

Cursed ram moments

[sleek stag]

What AMD chip would I be looking to get that is similar or better(?) than the 13900k?

[orchid iron]

Ryzen 7950x & 9950x both have similar performance, same memory controller and go against the 13900k pretty well

You can also get their x3d variants if you are into gaming to the side

Main advantage of AM5 is potentially upcoming zen7 32 core 64 threads CPU with bleeding edge node that could boost clocks to 7 GHz

I'd get the 7950x (if it is noticeably cheaper than 9950x) and whatever ram you can afford (those ddr5 prices are insane)

Also would be nice to get a motherboard that supports 8000 MT/s since next gen CPUs will have significantly better memory controller

[sleek stag]

Not sure where you are from but Microcenter has a bundle with that CPU: https://www.microcenter.com/product/5007084/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d,-msi-x870e-p-pro-wifi,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

[orchid iron]

Looks like a very good deal

[wise elbow]

9950x or 285k imo

they behave very similarly

I wouldn't worry about an in socket upgrade with AMD because I think the chance of you actually upgrading your CPU one gen is pretty low

I would try and get 64gb of memory with those CPUs but it's going to be crazy expensive

Alternatively if you don't do any development and just game, just get a Ryzen 7 instead of the 9950

Ryzen 9s like the 9950x are typically the same or slightly worse in games compared to Ryzen 7s like the 9700x

[pearl quartz]

Im assuming thats why these SOCAMM2s seem to screw directly to the mobo so its more like an LGA than it is a slot. They have em tucked right under so for a GPU or even new CPU using these types of modules it would require removal of the heat sink etc, bit of a pain but if you can do that and get a bit of a bump in RAM.

I think bus size will be the biggest issue, the chips tend to come in sets atm with memory matched. Using a larger amount of RAM with the wrong chip could actually give worse performance 😬

[orchid iron]

For less than 1k, he gets a high end CPU, motherboard he can use to upgrade CPU 2 gens later and 32gb of 6000 MT/s ram

[median marsh]

you would put them on the backside of the PCB

[pearl quartz]

I didnt think of that 😅 makes the most sense under the backplate for easy swapping. Im not sure if they'll unlock power limits with melty 12x4 pins tho haha

[median marsh]

i think the whole swappable memory on GPU is a fever dream to begin with

isn't feasable imho, and just adds additional costs and points of failure

if you really want more memory you can have it right now from some of the independent gpu repair shops

shouldn't be much more expensive than what all the socket/etc. stuff would add to the price of the GPU and your gpu gets new thermal paste in one go

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/nUzVKNuzJwg?si=Q5WW4rDNi0S0Cygo

[orchid iron]

oh I remember this, it put so many No Compromise on its marketing page that gamer nexus made fun of all the compromises it has

[rotund heart]

Home made underdesk support for standing desk with recycled tubes and 2 planks

So happy with the result 😄

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/ane7B2Q8jbs?si=IdHWF-HepeRaIDBy

[sleek stag]

I went with the 9950x3d. I already had 64GB of ram.

[orchid iron]

so you have 128gb of ram now?

[sleek stag]

Nah I just reused the 64 I had

[orchid iron]

oh gotcha

[wise elbow]

That's what I have and I've been very happy with it

people were saying you need to force games to use only the x3d cores but I never found it to make a meaningful difference and I just let it run

I had a lot of issues getting EXPO to work with the 9950x3d. x3d CPUs seem to really hate memory OC from what I've experienced

[sleek stag]

My memory doesn't even have EXPO. It is XMP. I was able to enable it and it is running at 6400

[languid venture]

I love the meshify. is that the 1?

[rotund heart]

Meshify C

[languid venture]

I was thinking about getting that for my gaming PC but then i bought a used POP.

[rotund heart]

Yeah, it's a pretty nice case, I very much like it too. A bit small for the GC though.

[languid venture]

What gpu do you have? Partner card I mean

[rotund heart]

Updated from a 3070 FTW3 to a 9700 XT Prime

the 3070 fitted with the front fan, but I have to change the bottom front for a slim to get the 9700 xt inside

[languid venture]

Isn’t there enough space between the fan mount and the air filter? Or is it also only enough for a slim?

[rotund heart]

Only enough for a slim. A regular is touching the GC

[languid venture]

I mean on the other side. So that the mount is between the gpu and the fan.

[wise elbow]

Same. I had to adjust the voltage though

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/40HT0cHNMnM?si=3KYPg871iT9-s7tr

Man, intel had so many technology that would of beaten AMD today, but then, didn't use them as much

If only engineers making these kind of things were given more

[wise elbow]

i have to wonder if the games of the time just didnt benefit from x3d all that much

even today its only certain games at anything above 1080p

[orchid iron]

Oh don't worry, it benefited because that CPU had an integrated GPU
And that L4 cache was mainly for it

[tribal ruin]

l2 l3 l4 cache is higher on these cpus can be used for other tasks as well right not just 3D work?

[orchid iron]

yeah, but benefits from non-3D tasks is minimal

[tribal ruin]

for us Unreal blender devs this is very good then i think, when it comes to TDP of cpus these x3D chips stay cooler on peak load??

[orchid iron]

they be ice cold xD

[tribal ruin]

naah not that cold they do get hot but compared to X chips x3D has low TDP

Or TDP is just fake number?

[orchid iron]

because of boost algorithms...It is a fake number

[tribal ruin]

damn i have read about this but now i have confirmation. So which CPUs heat up most in that same generation?

or they are all same?

[orchid iron]

idk, back in the day keep a cpu cool wasn't an issue...Until 13th gen

[tribal ruin]

oh so its same for AMD or intel hard to cool

[orchid iron]

I'd say the am5 CPUs are less annoying to cool than 13th and 14th, like you can still cool AMD CPUs with air coolers, but high end intel is all about AIOs

[wise elbow]

my 9950x3d peaks at about 360 W or something iirc

steady state

[wise elbow]

its definitely always been a thing, though it got a lot worse when they started to throw mass numbers of cores into CPUs with core 9 and ryzen 9

i honestly reject the idea that you can effectively cool a ryzen 9 with a high end air cooler at peak loads

no clue about the ultra 9 cpus but i know the 10->14th gen core 9s had a heat spreader that really wasnt rated for the operating temperature of the cpu at load. they would warp a lot and really reduce the ability to conduct heat

thats why a cpu bracket would substantially increase performance

tdp is indeed a useless number given in vacuum. if they gave an operating temperature it would be more helpful

[mighty patrol]

https://wccftech.com/asus-enter-dram-market-next-year-to-tackle-memory-shortages-rumor/

All Asus pc coming to light

[mighty patrol]

https://x.com/alphafox/status/2004235942933225810?s=20

AlphaFox (@alphafox)

This man build a PC out of a 110 lb. victorian radiator for optimal cooling:

X · Dec 25, 2025, 5:01 PM

[fallen oasis]

That's one beautiful radiator.

[grave sundial]

--- The 39-Inch OLED GX9 Offers Immersive Visuals
The 39GX950B continues LG’s GX9 series legacy with a 39-inch 5K2K OLED panel. Primary RGB Tandem OLED technology boosts brightness, colour accuracy, and longevity. Dual Mode allows switching between 165 Hz at 5K2K or 330 Hz at WFHD, paired with a 0.03 ms response time. Its 1500R ultrawide curve and VESA DisplayHDR True Black 500 certification offer detailed visuals and immersive horizontal coverage. ---

We have FIVE K gaming now?

[orchid iron]

I stopped reading monitor names, I just read specs, their marketing is genuinely on something else

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/uox5Kmpxeos?si=z2wBlmClVTtKDBuz

[wise elbow]

names are useless. most companies change things around and slightly change the model number while the "name" is the same

[orchid iron]

yup

[mighty patrol]

https://wccftech.com/china-lisuan-g100-gpus-begin-shipping-bringing-a-domestic-nvidia-amd-challenger/

[grave sundial]

I hope the 24GB pro variant is cheap.

[wise elbow]

lol

[orchid iron]

@grave sundial man, wtf happened to One Plus, it is no longer about non-bloated software and flagship specs for low price

[grave sundial]

They got Sinofied, I guess. With Chinese companies being moved to the Chinese version of Android, OnePlus probably has narrower leeway to avoid mandated bloatware.

Meanwhile, Lava in India is doing a good job even though they are using medium hardware.

Nothing OS also seems to be bloatware free, although I haven't had one myself.

[orchid iron]

Yeah, but that and One Plus both are so expensive here

https://youtube.com/shorts/_ZUOGFJ9zrM?si=DhpykM_fpcXUzz9L

I love the copium in the comments saying that "websites won't be slow because this is just a new graphical API"

...like dude, if all the websites go hard on FX on each page, then good luck opening 50 tabs

Chrome will be able to eat both ram and vram

[mighty patrol]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/micro-center-puts-up-8tb-wd-black-ssd-at-usd2-419-msrp-real-price-tag-up-50-percent-since-october-pricing-surges-on-high-capacity-ssds-in-response-to-ai-demand

[grave sundial]

2419 DOLLARS? Wha?

[grave sundial]

There's a game that streams in the browser with Unreal Engine's help, too. Pretty good graphics.

All this tech is getting so complicated.

[grave sundial]

https://www.amazon.in/Western-Digital-Warranty-Internal-WDS400T2X0E/dp/B0B7CQ2CHH - Just buy two of these on a Black Friday sale and you can get your 8TB cheaps.

[wise elbow]

Pain

Luckily I bought a 4tb a few months ago for like 200 dollars

It's in my desktop but I might move it to my laptop

[orchid iron]

just tried Pc building simulator for the first time, it is way more fun than I expected xD

[grave sundial]

Oh yeah, that's a nice game. I had a good time taking all the screws apart, cleaning the PC components, putting it all back together.

[mighty patrol]

https://wccftech.com/third-sapphire-rx-9070-xt-nitro-suffers-from-burnt-16-pin-connector/

[orchid iron]

I don't know who is dumber, the people who made this connector standard, or the people using it

[orchid iron]

Haven't played anything other than free-play, just getting the hang of things

[mighty patrol]

They definitely missing some safety steps 😂

[orchid iron]

It was a necessary sacrifice in order to make the tiniest PCB for the 5090

[wise elbow]

isnt it almost entirely down to user error at this point?

[orchid iron]

That's a top 5 insurance company excuses

[mighty patrol]

Almost for sure could be though

Maybe thry loosely plugged it in.

Also they had the wrong psu for that connector so.

[wise elbow]

like the connector shouldnt fail this spectacularly

but also people are doing dumb shit

[orchid iron]

Thankfully this connector is failing less than the usual 8 pins, man those old connectors are so bad, thankfully we got new ones

[grave sundial]

Should always use a hammer to make sure that connector is properly plugged in.

$10,000 for the GPU and then, a hammer! 🔨 Bang that plug in!

[mighty patrol]

Also hot glue it inside

So it can't come loose

Or solder it solid

[grave sundial]

Add staples.

Proper attachments.

[mighty patrol]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/dram/samsung-engineer-accused-of-leaking-10nm-dram-process-data-to-chinas-cxmt

Yooo

Memory competition!

[grave sundial]

Meh. The sanctions on export of chips to China have been lifted already.

It's just back-to-business as usual.

[subtle rock]

any one know much about these fairly new microphone array style sound cards?

appart from its array with a bunch of microphone/inputs

just puzzled why this sound card is some how super clever because it dosn't like the 1/3" jack in the 1/2" jack but when you put it in the BGM 1/3" jack port it works like a champ seems weird that it cant be handled by any jack on the microphone array.. or is it some kind of impedence thing ?

weird also because the device gives you option to set the 1/2" jacks to Inst/Line or nothing

[median marsh]

why would a soundcard "support" that? it's usually build into the mic!?

[subtle rock]

yeah what i mean is so say it has two XLR inputs which are multi format input connector input which feature a XLR and 1/2" compatibility when you then stick the convertor for the headphone jack into that it completely craps it self in the microphone array

and yes also each XLR can be in Instrument Mode or Line Mode or "no Mode"

no mode just sounds a little bit brighter

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/6RAbKg-yUg8?si=YL-4opw-K7w54f3p

[wise elbow]

so it's a soundcard with XLR inputs?

what's the model?

a converter shouldn't cause any issues

[median marsh]

i still don't get it 😄

i suppose some cards may support to switch between line-in and mic mode, but other than that i'm clueless

[orchid iron]

Happy new year y'all

[grave sundial]

#lounge message - New Year greetings to everyone! 🙂

[subtle rock]

sorry for the delay was summoned for fireworks and many beers!

Its a Nearstream AMIX40U btw, you've probably not herd of it ..
it only came out this year if i am not mistaken.. but has like 3 firmware updates already so they are actively working on it i guess.. maybe something making the preamps glitchy on the inputs is what i am starting to suspect

[subtle rock]

and i duno i think i may of mentioned it before but yeah it dosen't have a Asio driver or seem to support any thing above 44.1 natively with out a re-sampler involved maybe because its just trying to be brutally honest or maybe because the DSP is way worse then i think... 😂

but yep just seems daft that such a modern usb-c type device wouldnt be 24bit and capable to atleast 96khz.. and packing a asio driver, and also not glitching the XLR inputs.

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/5hxqlQwPaRg?si=sVSMbx_AiDVomu9A

[orchid iron]

Love these friendly "competitors", united from their passion

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/5oYJn1yTUXE?si=U4m-1yRyAq8u4MjK

[mighty patrol]

https://x.com/wccftech/status/2007068290296987745?s=20

Wccftech (@wccftech)

Corsair reportedly cancels user’s PC order; hikes price by $800.

The user ordered a Corsair Vengeance gaming PC for $3,499 and even received an invoice, only for Corsair to later cancel the order without explanation and relist same system at $4,299. 🔗 https://t.co/XzOtBtqH7L

X · Jan 2, 2026, 12:35 PM

The scummy practices begin!

[median marsh]

i still think that it's a shitty solution to add 2 more connections to the chain

some Asrock PSUs have temp sensors at the connector, and Seasonic announced a even better solution where the PSU will watch each connection (and shutdown on failure)

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

[mighty patrol]

They be like oh we can't lose money on that!

[orchid iron]

The video also points out just how sensitive this cable is, just pulling slightly on one of the wires noticeably reduces contact

Like wtf

[mighty patrol]

Sad thing is it's only 32 gb

[orchid iron]

And has 2tb of SSD plus a 5080

[mighty patrol]

Yeah but those prices barely changed yet

SSD slowly is

[orchid iron]

They are visionaries then!

[mighty patrol]

Lol

[orchid iron]

How brave!

[mighty patrol]

Predicting the fuckery

[median marsh]

GPU prices gonna go up more according to rumors

and given that nvidia will focus on selling more H200 to china since the ban was lifted

https://seasonic.com/insights/seasonic-optiguard-technology/

[mighty patrol]

On par with amd zen 4? https://wccftech.com/chinese-chipmaker-zhaoxin-confirms-next-gen-kx-8000-cpus-4-ghz-ddr5-pcie-5-competing-amd-zen-4/

[orchid iron]

"The powerful GPUs often create an unbalanced load, potentially causing one contact to overheat and melt the cable or connector."

Just gotta love the diverse responses depending on the company

[orchid iron]

By the time it launches, zen6 and nova lake will be out or really close to release

[mighty patrol]

For real

[median marsh]

imho the seasonic solution is the only reasonable, anything else is a bandaid (and sometimes may make it worse)

i wouldn't want to add 2 more connections with that plugin-between thing

[mighty patrol]

Watch prime psus go up

[mighty patrol]

https://x.com/Pirat_Nation/status/2007231639991267666?s=20

Pirat_Nation 🔴 (@Pirat_Nation)

Corsair has canceled everyone’s order from yesterday 48 GB DDR5

X · Jan 2, 2026, 11:24 PM

[orchid iron]

Corsair shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly it seems

[mighty patrol]

Too many "mistakes"

[sick cedar]

that sounds like the chip the terminator that wants to kill me will have "KX-8000"

so whats the genoius plan of all this people forcing this prices?

Maybe make all the people use connected AI?

[subtle rock]

lol

its funny you mention a friend of mine is developing some ai emotional system thing and yeah it occurred to me that in there endeavours.. they realized there is no substitute for a super computer/farm/cloud

whats next after cloud ... universe?

[orchid iron]

So I'm guessing your friend is teaching AI to say "uwu~" at the end of each sentence?

[feral cypress]

Yo is a 7600 and 4060 8gb going to be able to make small scale games in UE5?

And im saying really small like a bit bigger than a flash game

[wise elbow]

yes

[feral cypress]

Ok

[wise elbow]

try to get at least 32 gig of ram

[orchid iron]

Yup

[tribal ruin]

Desktop you have ? Then that's enough. Get lot of ram tho 32 gb is minimum

[quick wagon]

I am building a new pc and I need to decide on a new gpu. I am a dedicated game dev, I want to future proof my pc. My game heavily relies on ray tracing bounce reflections, I get about 50 fps on a 2080 on a 1080 monitor with epic graphics settings. I am considering a 4090, 5070ti, 5080 or 5090 but the 5090 is hard to justify to myself. Do you guys think 16GB vram is enough or should I go for more?? I want some opinions guys! 🙂

[blazing shard]

More vram is always nice. But at 1080p it's much less important

Future proofing is unrealistic because hardware is always getting better and cheaper.

[quick wagon]

Yeah but AI data centres are on the prowl. I do have a 4K monitor.

I am just wondering how vital vram is for heavy ray tracing games.

[orchid iron]

Either 5080 or 4080 super
Depends on what's cheapest as they have really close performance

[orchid iron]

Whats a good key cap lubricant?

[orchid iron]

Right now the main issue with a keyboard with non-removeable key caps is the key's trunk, when the key is pressed, making friction with the outer parts

So I'm looking for lubricant that would facilitate friction with plastic on plastic that won't damage the keyboard rubber

[mighty patrol]

https://x.com/Pirat_Nation/status/2007572679348433255?s=20

Pirat_Nation 🔴 (@Pirat_Nation)

Apparently Corsair are cancelling SSD orders as well

X · Jan 3, 2026, 10:00 PM

Corsair back at it

[wise elbow]

if your game only runs on a super high end GPU you might want to reevaluate

[mighty patrol]

Try to design it for steam decks

And gamers will love you.

[orchid iron]

Corsair emptying the ammo federal supply from shooting themselves in the foot

[mighty patrol]

How to lose your customers

Good thing theres plenty of alternatives that don't fuck around

[orchid iron]

Yeah, Asus is one of the main ones who will benefit from all those lost customers

[subtle rock]

god i cant stand the ppl who dont understand the value of managed network switch gear

because "plug n play" and £15.99

Gl biznitch

hey its not our network 😅

when they aren't worshiping dell and apple etc
its all like .. i can do it for £15 and its "plug n play" ..... because adopting your managed router to its parent network is hard and offers no benefit they way see it .. till they need to restrict a ports bandwidth, or dont know what the fucks wrong with the other end end or it self, because even the control panel will be made by a Chinese slave labour worker from 2004 and have probably not even tried to boot

[subtle rock]

what does that tell you about a person .. no idea about network security, no idea about advantages of management, no idea of how old a pieces of crap there buying for a means to a end, and just generally no fucking idea what your doing or even talking about

no knowing what so ever

sadly i cant go round there and give him a slap this guys like a body builder

[orchid iron]

Gotcha, time to body build for you

[subtle rock]

ha me and him friends for more then 20 years nows but hes just one of the hard arse bods that just has his set way of thinking

you have to beat him physically or mentally

[median marsh]

and you don't stand a chance either ways?

[subtle rock]

no way hes not above my pay rate in a million years no offence

but yeah jesus i just want him to use the right equipment

[median marsh]

a TP cable tester which costs 15 bucks

[subtle rock]

well that would be me asking him to go get trained properly wouldnt it 😄

that might even be the answer

[median marsh]

managed switches are expensive, and not always great to begin with

some even used to have a bandwidth limit cap, because everything went through their internal "routing" (seems to be still a thing, but less of an issue nowadays)

and yes, one needs training to even make use of them

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/9EzUsB2OuEs?si=q0LP6eBBy0t6GfqK

[fallen oasis]

Do you really think people who buy £16 routers are going to want go restrict thr bandwidth of a specific port or give a shit about better security?

[median marsh]

also that doesn't really imply a environment which needs a managed switch 😄

what do you get for 15 bucks? 5 or 8 ports i guess

[fallen oasis]

Maybe even 4.

[agile lodge]

intel core ultra series 3

[nova moss]

higher Vram, RAM, RTX 5090 if you can pay money

[mighty patrol]

https://wccftech.com/no-one-can-escape-memory-shortages-says-samsungs-co-ceo/

TV's an home appliances to be hit next, so stuff like our smart fridges, or ovens etc.

Who even asked these idiots to add memory chips to our fridges and ovens ffs

[median marsh]

nah, it's some made up electronics inflation

memory for fridges and ovens can be made by other factories, it's not like they need DDR memory to begin with

SD-RAM likely be fast enough

[mighty patrol]

Won't stop them from trying to milk it though.

[median marsh]

i mean... whoever buys a fridge with memory is asking to get scammed a bit

[mighty patrol]

Fridges with ads!

[pearl quartz]

FFS
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-dlss-4-5-6x-mfg-240hz-gaming-400-games-available-on-all-rtx-gpus/

ugggh CES is too cringe for me, I used to love this time of year...

[tribal ruin]

how many games support this?

seems like just drivers update

[pearl quartz]

Im assuming any game that supports 4 can support 4.5, thats how their versioning usually works doesnt it?

[tribal ruin]

it looks like as just a driver update giving new features

https://tenor.com/view/pikarejoice-pikachus-happy-gif-26751732

[orchid iron]

yup, nvidia made the dlss trivially easy to manually update even if game devs haven't done it.
It is one of the downsides of the old FSR, DLLs couldn't just be swapped

[quick vigil]

hello. can someone please help me? i want to buy a new one to run the latest uefn and unreal engin5.4+. but this is my first time to buy a laptop. can you please recommend me some? my budget is usd1000~ usd 1600.

[mighty patrol]

https://x.com/CORSAIR/status/2008539214523027475?s=20

CORSAIR (@CORSAIR)

We combined forces with @elgato to create a Stream Deck-integrated mechanical keyboard 🤯

Say hello to GALLEON 100 SD!

Command your entire gaming setup from one device with the limitless customization options this keyboard has to offer 👀

🔗 https://t.co/vGxQemAXns

X · Jan 6, 2026, 2:00 PM

[silent wyvern]

Hi

When packaging screen goes black and fast start to spin really fast. I had to press and hold Power button to turn off the PC

2 times

Whatsoever the reason?

I replaced thermal paste 2 months ago

[mighty patrol]

Windows?

If so you can open the reliability monitor to check what is causing the crash then search for that error.

[silent wyvern]

Yes, Windows 10

[mighty patrol]

It will show you if its software or hardware errors also

[orchid iron]

whatever laptop with a 4060 or 5060

although, what kind of project are you aiming to do? I.E. what would be the requirements

[median marsh]

overpriced junk

[fallen oasis]

Logitech K120 foreverrrrrrrrrrr

[quick vigil]

i will develop indie game. This is usually lowpoly 3d game which very small indie team can make.i want to use ue5.4+. also i will make 3d animation using blender or ue. this animation is not a large scale. just one or two people can afford to make. Hope this is a right answer you want.

my game will be 3d platformer, small size fps, horror game all in 3d. but not like great open world.

[orchid iron]

Gotcha, so aim for a 4060 or 5060 laptop with at least 32gb of ram

Also are you comfortable with disassembly of electronics?

[orchid iron]

finally finished building my new pc and I'm already doing cursed things with it xD

[grave sundial]

specs?

[tribal ruin]

How many pcs you have ?

[orchid iron]

Ryzen 5950x
Xfx RX 7900 XTX Mercury
B550 taichi
Samsung 990 pro 4tb (from 2024)
Crucial pro ddr4 128gb (from 2024)
Seasonic prime px 1600
Thermaltake CTE c750 air
Bequiet shadow rock LP with a 120mm server grade fan on top

[orchid iron]

Desktop only one, but I've worked a lot with laptops before, about time I get something easy to work with, that doesn't overheat on 100% usage

[orchid iron]

The nice thing about it is that it also cools ram

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmods/comments/1jmjc2g/be_not_quiet_fan_for_small_form_factor_builds/

Prepared this 9 months ago jeez

[grave sundial]

It's originally meant for servers?

[orchid iron]

The 120 fan is, the cooler is for SFF

[grave sundial]

Very cool. Is this working in the van well?

[orchid iron]

Not yet, I wasn't aware that the riser cable I showed you wouldn't be compatible with the b550 taichi, so I have to rethink how the GPU is handled

[grave sundial]

While you figure that out, you can save for this too. 😄

[orchid iron]

Unironically looking for those exact van dimensions

[orchid iron]

The riser cable doesn't have enough room, and I would of needed to remove the heatsink of the CPU's SSD

One of the weirdest compatibility issues I've had

[orchid iron]

Is there SFF CPU coolers for eypc CPUs? I'm just waiting for a lot of 7-10 year old EPYC systems to flood the market once the bubble bursts

[mighty patrol]

https://petapixel.com/2026/01/07/the-instax-mini-evo-cinema-combines-retro-inspired-video-with-instant-film/

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/2sHHjEm-9fc

[pearl quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsCrKGY9F1o

You know he's not happy when he swears

[quick vigil]

ty for your reply. i was off whole day. i have an experience to add a ram for laptop some years ago. other than that i can't..

[quick vigil]

this is so nice specs

[orchid iron]

okay so, look at the offerings of the laptop shops both online and irl, then look up how to disassemble that laptop and look for 2 m.2 slots in the build, that way in the future you'll be able to get way more storage for your laptop, even if the laptop doesn't have much at the start

and a nice bonus would be if it is easy to replace the thermal paste of the laptop, since overheating is by far the most limiting factor in a laptop

oh yeah, and avoid intel cpu 13th and 14th gen laptops if you can, those tend to run way too hot

[quick vigil]

ok. so i need to learn how to replace thermal paste lol. and if i avoid 13th, 14th, then it will be 15th lol or i choose amd better. ty for your advice. i will check you said

[orchid iron]

intel 15th gen is renamed to intel ultra core 200...So highest model is intel ultra core 285k or something

But easily changing the thermal paste will make it a much better experience in the long run

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/9xlI7eZXsS8?si=HG70QqD4a0yCyqPH

[wise elbow]

I think typically hardware just gets trashed or destroyed when these datacenters close

[wise elbow]

newest intels are fine

[orchid iron]

data storage devices yeah, but cpu and ram have no reason to get broken, you have a tone of old xeon and ecc ddr3 ram on ebay

[agile lodge]

things get refurbieshed

[grave sundial]

Called it.

Make sure you collect all the RAM sticks you can find in the world, sub-contract to head-hunters too. Build a vault of RAM.

Sell it all for PROFITS! 🤑

[orchid iron]

https://videocardz.com/newz/there-is-no-ryzen-9000g-amd-confirms-ryzen-ai-400-for-desktops

Potentially new budget king for pc

[sick cedar]

whats better

a mini pc or a laptop for use it for web browser videos and email etc only in place (with the tv or something)

[mighty patrol]

Can do with a hand held to

Don't need much for media pc

[mental timber]

Do we know how much it will cost?

[sick cedar]

last laptop I purchased for 400€ last 4 years

kind of absurd

[mighty patrol]

Paid for itself then

[orchid iron]

mini pc, but I'm a bit biased

if you care about portability go for laptop

[sick cedar]

well not really I mean my last phone last 8 years

and was half of that price that

for web browins and

seems kinda sad

[mighty patrol]

https://wccftech.com/hp-is-left-with-no-other-choice-but-to-turn-to-chinese-memory-suppliers/

[orchid iron]

But importing sensitive computer components like ram from china might lead to potential risks and.......one dinner later...So anyways, it is completely fine importing ram from China

[grave sundial]

Yeah, all the restrictions have been lifted based on previous reporting. So....

[agile lodge]

bwin do what acer mmemory is sold

https://youtu.be/c7Ghby65HLQ?si=7UIv5j50HUUW9kat

[wise elbow]

they will perform probably about the same. a laptop can be used as something other than a TV driver, though

[sick cedar]

Well yeah but the laptop cost 600€ and the mini about 200€

[pearl quartz]

I cant wait for 32K gaming...
https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-3090-8k-hdr-gaming/

[orchid iron]

oh it is a 2020 article, I was really confused for a sec

[silent wyvern]

Hi guys

I think my SSD is about to die

I asked ChatGPT is it possible to migrate to new SSD. It said Disk Cloning is recommended

Is it a thing?

[pearl quartz]

We had 8K in 2020 so we should be at 32K in 2026 right?

[orchid iron]

that was just marketing for rich people, maybe the rich can afford a 32k projectors (because we don't have 32k monitors, i don't even know if there are 32k projectors)

[orchid iron]

it exists, but I'd manuall copy the most important files first in case something goes wrong

[pearl quartz]

I dont even know if 4x5090s would render 32K 😹

[orchid iron]

maybe 4 x 8k displays would work xD

[pearl quartz]

each upscaling from 720p? 🙀

and 5 in every 6 frames is generated lol

wait no

[orchid iron]

yup

soon only 5% of what you are looking at will be actualy from native performance

[pearl quartz]

maybe we'll start using onboard graphics and just pipe it through an NPU

[orchid iron]

NPUs still need a base to work on

[delicate crystal]

looking at ram pricing i'm almost debating selling mine. Paid a grand for 128 5600 DDR5 ECC, found they're now woth twice as much

[orchid iron]

the tricky part is making sure you don't get scammed and the buyer doesn't run away with it without paying somehow

do you need it though? Because price will increase even more until the data centers have enough

[delicate crystal]

not unless I have a failure.

[woven canyon]

get an older but good quality laptop, I got a few that have been bulletproof even under heavy work

[mighty patrol]

In Russia memory mod you, https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ddr5/modder-saves-usd130-by-building-32gb-ddr5-desktop-dimms-from-scavenged-laptop-memory-donor-modules-soldered-to-bare-pcb-flashed-with-custom-firmware-even-run-xmp

[white horizon]

I've got the opportunity to buy a Dell R830 with 4x xeon e5-4669 v4 (22c/44t, 88c/176t total), and 256GB of RAM

While those processors are 2.2Ghz/3.0Ghz boost, will the core count still be excellent for a build machine?

Mostly compile & cook

I don't know how much the core speed affects compilation

[delicate crystal]

Itd be decent i think if the compiling can utilize those cores. For referenxe i have a syatem with 2x 2699 with 44 cores thay does all right. Has 512 ram which helps

[grave sundial]

Honestly, people should scrounge in the Thailand electronics heap.

I bet you'll find a TON of components there that can be salvaged.

[mighty patrol]

True

[orchid iron]

If you have a lot of shaders to do, that core number will have a much bigger impact than core clocks

[white horizon]

Figured

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/YwrUxG26ulk?si=JA5M3UcMySEI1hxh

[wise elbow]

compilation speed pretty much scales linearly with core count

yes a faster core will compile it's workload faster, but more cores is probably always better unless the other CPU is substantially newer

[white horizon]

yeah im probably not gonna go with that server though

I don't have a dedicated room I could put it in, so noise is gonna be an issue

and more importantly the power cost

I'll just wait to get DDR5 ram and make myself a threadripper build

[delicate crystal]

Hope you have money. Threadrippers arent friendly to wallets

[white horizon]

Not in any rush

The RAM's gonna be most of the issue

[orchid iron]

When many servers get decommissioned, you'll have plenty of ddr4 ECC and ddr5 ecc

[white horizon]

fair

[orchid iron]

All the servers moving to LPDDR5X

https://youtube.com/shorts/kze3piKUsMk?si=_H-g0sPg76rNu7vF

That end is as cursed as always

[grave sundial]

Lab, OnePlus's CEO has an arrest warrant out on him in Taiwan.

I guess it'll be OnePlus Jail now. 😄

[orchid iron]

Wtf xD

[grave sundial]

Apparently, he's been charged with illegally hiring people, maybe Martians or something.

[orchid iron]

That sounds so weak lol

[wise elbow]

Most countries take that very seriously

[orchid iron]

for small businesses sure, but bigger ones, things get more political, I guess someone wanted him out of the picture

[wise elbow]

I would argue it's the other way around. Very difficult to get a job in much of Europe as a foreigner

[orchid iron]

oh yeah, europe has so many rules and taxes, you have to make connections and acquaintances or you won't get much

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/TcRGBeOENLg?si=ZwvjyPyZJIc3Q6zf

[median marsh]

they do 5090s with 128GB now

[grave sundial]

https://www.amazon.in/VERGEENO-RTX-Pro-6000-Professional/dp/B0FHQ65XSQ

Is this legitimate?

Turns out it is! 🤯 Wow.

Roughly $10,000 here.

[orchid iron]

Yup, that's the MSRP of that thing...and it draws 600 watts through one cable...which is rated for 600 watts

[grave sundial]

🔥

[fallen oasis]

How many millions do they cost?

[median marsh]

🤷 https://www.techpowerup.com/340771/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-gets-128-gb-vram-capacity-mod

$13.200 (article from September tho)

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/R539FPNAwes?si=NC12qELw-VLFm5nz

[orchid iron]

She click baits constantly so hard

[orchid iron]

Finally a GPU to rival ddr4 ram capacity of consumers

[mighty patrol]

https://x.com/Grummz/status/2011671129019334747?s=20

Grummz (@Grummz)

Uh guys..we thought we were just going back to DDR4?

Naw, we going WAY farther than that!

X · Jan 15, 2026, 5:25 AM

[orchid iron]

It is the future!

[mighty patrol]

You will use ddr3 and like it!

[orchid iron]

Remember how I mentioned I found a way to get cheap ram? Yeah I was talking about DDR3 ECC xD

[mighty patrol]

I still got a prebuilt with some ddr3 running proud and strong

W/ intel 3770

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/hZMAoC50iOw?si=k6yGSQ80nya_nxyW

[mighty patrol]

Finally

Christmas came early

[orchid iron]

AMD being monopoly of next gen GPUs would be insane

[mighty patrol]

If we aren't buying 5090 why bother

Buy a gpu worth your trailer home

[orchid iron]

Nvidia might be turning into IBM with this one

[mighty patrol]

Cyberpunk 2027

[sick cedar]

so should get a 5070 RTX TI now ?

are at 1000€

released for 900€

but the 5070 RTX is half that price

20% difference at max for x2 price well lol

[median marsh]

they just sell off stocks maybe, for a 60 series launch?

[orchid iron]

@sick cedar fyi, Nvidia is going to discontinue production, so right now is the cheapest time to buy anything with more than 8gb of vram

[sick cedar]

technically there is still a long road for it, isnt ?

[median marsh]

that depends on how much money they really made in the last years

quite possible that a lot of it went into engineering so a new gpu might be just a byproduct

[median marsh]

no

currently GPU prices are going up again?!

[sick cedar]

yeah

this one rise 100€

already

in other hand you have Intel selling 12GB of VRAM for less than 300€

[sick cedar]

so that's not totally correct

[median marsh]

because all that memory stuff is nonsense

you can't find a 5090 <3000 euro atm

they used to start at 2500 a few weeks ago

[sick cedar]

yeah that's true and the 5070 for 1000€ is absurd

not even the 80s used to cost that or was its range

[median marsh]

5070 start at 600!? (830 for the 5070TI)

tho there's a trend for all cards

[sick cedar]

5070 TI

start at 1050€ here

its basically double price almost of the 5070

[median marsh]

order in germany 😛

[sick cedar]

for a 15-20% max

[median marsh]

https://geizhals.de/?cat=gra16_512&xf=9816_03+05+18+-+RTX+5070+Ti

[tribal ruin]

5070 ti Only 50 € more ?

Than 5070

[sick cedar]

if I order in germany I pay 500€ in customs

lol

[median marsh]

thought that wouldn't apply in the EU

[sick cedar]

I do remember a company I worked for sent me a SSD that cost like 300$ there and they had to pay 200€ here in customs

[sick cedar]

unsure let me check

says there is not

[sick cedar]

seems about the same prices

[grave sundial]

we have customs and duties here too.

they were reduced a bit last financial year.

But.... still there.

[sick cedar]

if that stores are registered into the european register

[fallen oasis]

Luckily I bought my laptop just before the boom...

[sick cedar]

then without VAT could be an awesome deal

[sick cedar]

no 5070 600€ and 5070 Ti 1000€

[grave sundial]

881.59 to 900 EUR for 5070Ti OC, here from MSI.

[tribal ruin]

I thought you said 5070 1000 euros here

[grave sundial]

Left side Ti, right side, non-Ti.

[mighty patrol]

B580 is 300?

[sick cedar]

the most expensive 4GB of VRAM ever

400€

[mighty patrol]

Oof

[grave sundial]

--- Features 88 more tensor cores for effective ML and AI workloads ---

[grave sundial]

This also adds to the expenses.

--- Has 33% higher memory bandwidth: 896 vs 672 GB/s --- Also this.

[sick cedar]

yeah yeah a 20% performance increase in general for an almost 50% price increase

[median marsh]

yea for dev work it sucks

but most games, even at high settings, are pretty fine even with 12GB

[sick cedar]

and this Nvidia Reflex 2

never used the 1 at all

I feel like there is a lot of things in the GPUs nobody asked for

taking space of actually elements we needed

[grave sundial]

https://www.howtogeek.com/are-chinese-gpus-coming-to-eat-nvidias-lunch/

Apparently is as good as a 660 Ti.

[sick cedar]

I notice all this new GPUs are using GDDR7

anyone notice the difference by end of the day?

[grave sundial]

In AI image generation more than anything else, methinks.

[sick cedar]

GeForce GTX 660 Ti welp

[sick cedar]

I blame that

[grave sundial]

Yep. 🤣 But, it loads DX12 API.

[sick cedar]

Still don't get how China makes better cars than Europe and America

but still no GPUs ?

[grave sundial]

They made GPUs for M00rica, so far.

Lisuan is Chinese though.

Biren is another one coming up.

https://videocardz.com/newz/chinese-gpu-maker-lisuan-demos-7g106-gpu-running-3dmark-test-on-windows-on-arm

More details.

[sick cedar]

The only point I see on the newer elements its a new VR but working other way

VR was a disaster for all the companies

so their best bet now is force all the users to pass the pipe

[grave sundial]

I was saving for a VR kit.

Then, I saw the AR goggles with adjustable focal length for bespectacled peoples.

[sick cedar]

sell bad computers, limit final users power, let them force pass their online platforms using AI

the 2.0 plan for the prior gen

[grave sundial]

Humai is the future evolution. Embrace it.

Apparently, there's another chinese GPU maker.

Named Lluvatar. They raised a lot of money in an IPO.

[orchid iron]

@median marsh @sick cedar reminder that Nvidia is a company that does what gives it most amount of money and margins

The gaming stuff has low margins, especially compared to selling AI GPUs, that's the cold reality of it

If they can sell in bigger volume and with bigger margins they will

So what about low margin things like 5070? Well they'll just massively reduce supply, blame someone else for their greed, and that's it

[orchid iron]

What's the difference between low production and stopping supply if the cheapest 5070 ti is 2000$ ?

[wise elbow]

their gaming line was pretty high margin iirc

just nothing compared to the infinite money machine of ai

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/J4NFQLURRro?si=qRFOL6U2plJyomBX

What. The. Fuck.

[mighty patrol]

Finally

[grave sundial]

How much is the monitor?

[mighty patrol]

Not enough

They had one before similarly 2 years ago that was $700

I imagine it will be around $1200

Due to new features

Like how would a game detect you used this anyways

It's all local lol

Unless they hooked into your monitor

[grave sundial]

MSI MPG 341CQPX QD-OLED 34 - around $900 here.

[mighty patrol]

Not bad

[grave sundial]

I have gained more respect for MSI now. They make their cool monitors in 34" regardless of model names.

Very easy to link different monitor brands together then to make a panoramic display.

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCf2lZoRrEE

[orchid iron]

He forgot to get keyboards from the flea market like I do xD

[mighty patrol]

That $2 keyboard was pretty neat

[orchid iron]

Yup

https://youtu.be/_qcl93An-AI?si=nh_7V_rzj6Q7ZEKK

So basically
5060 ti 8gb for the avreage consumer
5080 for the elite
5090 for moneyyyyyyy

[mighty patrol]

Ah yes

[nimble mica]

NOt sure this is right channel but,,,system surely needs an upgrade when I can afford, project has overtaken it overall with perf slowdowns doing certain things ( not rendering)- most 8issues is , memory seems fine if not STRESSED, but ofrten, even with t.maxfps 30 set, gpu often goes to 0 and stays there several seconds...does this just indicate I need a much better gpu :-

[orchid iron]

does the ram / vram get filled to the max?

[nimble mica]

only at startup air, after that it settles down alot

oh sorry 32gb

ryzen 5 3600, rx 6600 8gb

I know I need upgrade of gpu at least---

[orchid iron]

so the ram / vram capacity doesn't get filled to max so you don't have any kind of issues with that?

[nimble mica]

not really

when I start editing level, mesh bp whatever,,terrain, sometimes gpu goes to zero, and engine stalls

takes a few seconds to recover

[orchid iron]

okay, are your temps on CPU / GPU below 90°C?

[nimble mica]

later all is basically fine if very imperfect

dain I neglected to remember to monitor that, what app is recc.

6 fans including 2 gpu fans

tuf gaming case

[orchid iron]

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

doesn't matter if your thermal paste is so old, you'll see it in the temps

[mighty patrol]

presentmon 2.0 is great for in game

If you have packaged projects to test

Hooks directly into unreal

[nimble mica]

none atm, but ty

not yet ;))

[mighty patrol]

https://github.com/GameTechDev/PresentMon

[orchid iron]

my bet is on either some safety trigger protecting hardware or driver problems
Because @nimble mica you things aren't supposed to shut down the way it does, I've worked on unreal with way worst stuff

[nimble mica]

my thoughts too

deciding, TY TO everyone for this info

having said that, anyone ever use ocat, meaning for amd systems ?

[orchid iron]

what is ocat

[nimble mica]

oh sorry, the amd version of intel app shown here

https://gpuopen.com/ocat/

[orchid iron]

presentmon actually changes the way we think about frame rate, and adds a new way of thinking about it

[orchid iron]

this one doesn't get much attention

[mighty patrol]

Best part I think, Minimal Overhead: By hooking into OS-level present APIs instead of deep instrumentation, PresentMon introduces near-zero system impact, preserving the integrity of real-time performance data.

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_RO8bJop8o&pp=ygUVZ2FtZXIgbmV4dXMgcGVyZW50bW9u

[mighty patrol]

Open-Source & Community Trust: Being open-source ensures transparency, rapid updates, and integration with tools like CapFrameX and OCAT, fostering a trusted ecosystem for developers and enthusiasts.

[orchid iron]

@nimble mica if you want full details, you can look at video explanation

[mighty patrol]

That guy explains it well

Also, Vendor-Neutral & Cross-API Support: It operates independently of vendor-specific SDKs and supports DirectX (9–12), Vulkan, and OpenGL across Intel, NVIDIA, and AMD hardware, enabling consistent performance comparisons without bias.

[nimble mica]

ty all I'll have a watch atp

[orchid iron]

btw, I know you shouldn't mix and match sata power cables, but what about the data cables? Is it okay to mix and match those?

[nimble mica]

first sounds dangerous, never tried or had a perceived need, later what do you mean ?

I've put together my own systems for years, but I'm not fam with the latre

[orchid iron]

because I have 8 sata data slots on my motherboard, and only 4 sata data cables, and only 2 of them are compatible with my case

[nimble mica]

no I mean what are they for, data cables ?

Iv'e not built for a long time, no need just yet

usb ?

I mean if only 2 match case, I guess you need others

[wise elbow]

SATA is a standard

[orchid iron]

So they should all be the same, even 3rd party ones?

[wise elbow]

pretty sure

[mighty patrol]

One would hope but generally yes

They havn't changed much in years

[orchid iron]

I'm currently eyeing some sabrent ones

[median marsh]

where the heck did you get that from?

only thing you shouldn't mix and match is cables from different modular PSUs

[orchid iron]

just making sure

[median marsh]

maybe i'm misunderstanding you, but what cables do you mean?

[orchid iron]

The data cables, not the PSU cables
I know you shouldn't mix and match the PSU cables, but I never heard about the data cables in-between a motherboard and Data SSDs, so I'm making sure there is no * there since there are important data in some of those SSDs

[median marsh]

you can mix those cables as much as you want

as their connector is standardized

same for any molex <> sata power adapters (as i thought of those before, which is why i've asked)

[orchid iron]

Awesome, thanks

[nimble mica]

Very weird, not sure what's causing it just yet, and atm only, used amd's software adrelnine UI output, and odly GPU waffles between 1736 and surprisingly 22. Does the low number mean gpu stressed given size /complexity of project ?

fyi cpu and gpu temps stable at 50-54 each

at the time all I was doing was some very minor terrain sculpting

[orchid iron]

try running enigne heaven benchmark to stress gpu to see if stressing gpu is causing issue

[mighty patrol]

Furmark also

Bit more intensive though

[nimble mica]

ya I've been wondering if gpu is going out

plus running through project level , gpu isn't heating up hardly ever

wow didn't know about this, nice test area ;))

sigh I'd have to switch over to dx11 to test, not doing that, ty anyway!!

[wise elbow]

desktop or laptop?

[nimble mica]

sry was away, desk

[orchid iron]

There is no "switching to" your GPU supports dx9, dx11 and dx12, so it'll run well all programs that use them without user input

Plus things just run better on dx11

Also, seeing your reaction makes me think something is wrong with your driver, dunno why

[nimble mica]

gpu driver ?

I was asking only bc I'm using dx12 with ue5.6

I should be using dx11 ?

Is it more stable or such ?

HMMM didn't know O-0

[wise elbow]

I believe it is possible to use dx11 but with compromise

It isn't more stable and there's no reason to force yourself to use it unless you're trying to allow legacy hardware to play your game

[nimble mica]

this from ue forum user having crashes with 5.6 and amd , rolled back to 25.8.1 and DX12 workin’ again. Gonna stress test it for a day or two

[wise elbow]

Curious

I would recommend updating your graphics drivers as infrequently as possible

[nimble mica]

thats not me having that issue, but I do see ??? 9 ai correct ?? LOL-- that dx 123 is more GPU heavy,,so....and my gpu is acting weirrrrd

yup

I think I made that mistake

to upgrade on new driver

[wise elbow]

...it's more GPU heavy if you utilize the expanded feature set

[nimble mica]

bad idea

[wise elbow]

I'm on Nvidia and the drivers are bad right now

[nimble mica]

hm

ouch

for 5.6 specifically ?

[wise elbow]

Sad to hear it's the same with amd

[wise elbow]

No

[nimble mica]

ok

o m g

[wise elbow]

I've had no issues with ue5

[nimble mica]

thats awful

ok

[wise elbow]

When you said your GPU "waffles" between two values, what did you mean?

[nimble mica]

well atm using 5.6, and it dosn't start right away, but ya amd ryzen 5 and rx 8800 8gb, after I add something to scene, simple bp stairs, gpu vasilates betewen 1736 and 22 fps,,

not normal at all

my scene is fairly large , terrain, but its far from 200 sq miles ;)) 8 sq miles

lots of meshes but nothing abnormal at all

so this gpu weirdess is way off imho

[wise elbow]

How are you measuring that frame rate?

[nimble mica]

amd app

ione sec

[wise elbow]

Does it actually visually look different?

[nimble mica]

amd software adrenline

perf app

[wise elbow]

1700 fps seems high even for an empty scene

[nimble mica]

ya I can't speak to the number per se

just that it goes down to 22 and engine is non reactive

[wise elbow]

And installing older drivers fixed it?

[nimble mica]

I haven't done that yet , just found out

rolled back to 25.8.1 and DX12 workin’ again. Gonna stress test it for a day or two <<< forum user, I'm heavioy tinking about doing that

but he was having crashes on engine start, I never have, so far ;))

[wise elbow]

Give the profiler built into the editor a go. It'll show you exactly where your losses are

I'm always hesitant to recommend doing anything until you profile it

[nimble mica]

just way off performance

I mean compared to what others are doing with giant landscapes, mine is puny

yes I have alot of BPs, not sure if thats it or not....

mostly bp stairs

err BP bridges

like 20 or so I guess

I doubt its just that

the odd low perf doesn't happen all the time, but enough to be very annoying and destros dev

destroys

[wise elbow]

Right, but it could be caused by literally anything

[nimble mica]

lovely ;)))