hardware

[orchid iron]

IT IS FINALLY OUT

[white horizon]

holy 3.5 hours long

[mighty patrol]

Farming those advertisers

[white horizon]

doesn't seem to have any ads

or well, forgot I have adblock lol

[orchid iron]

He said the video doesn't have any ads on it

I think

[mighty patrol]

Sponsor/ ad

Same shit

[somber surge]

It's not sponsored

It's community funded

https://store.gamersnexus.net/black-market-gpu-backers

Well worth the money

[median marsh]

that was probably the best documentary i've seen in a while

[orchid iron]

Buy more storage

If you are running out of it

[wise elbow]

if you downloaded with the epic games store you can probably clear it's cache

idk how to do that specifically with egs; look it up

there's also a free tool called WinDirStat that will show you where the biggest files on your pc are

[wise elbow]

Maybe they should add AI to it

[wise elbow]

also sorry if that came off as shitty the other day lol. it was a joke

[mighty patrol]

Spacesniffer also notable mention

[feral cypress]

Are SATA SSDs good as secondary storage drives with a primary NVME?

[delicate crystal]

If you can get them for a good price sure. Depends.on how much theyre uaed. If youre not hitting it near constsntly or the files not massive youd ve better off with platters for seconday storage

[wise elbow]

they are good drives in general

[feral cypress]

I thought they were much slower but bigger. Im thinking of the really big square ones

Or rectangle

[wise elbow]

hard drive maybe?

they are a lot slower than a ssd

[feral cypress]

Yeah i meant a hard drive

[feral cypress]

I know they are slower but im asking if its worth it to use it as a secondary hard drive for things like UE files, 3d models, and more things.

I would use a normal NVME for primary storage for games and the software itself

[wise elbow]

I wouldn't put ue on it unless it's your only option

they are fine for just bulk storage if you get them for cheap

but they're really really slow

[feral cypress]

Bulk storage?

[feral cypress]

Also im not fully sure how drive speed effects a PC. Is it just loading times?

[wise elbow]

usually hard drives are cheaper. so put things you don't really use daily or care about on them

[feral cypress]

Ohhhh that makes sense

[wise elbow]

anything that reads or writes to a drive a lot will be affected

games read when loading

[feral cypress]

Yeah i know it would effect loading

[wise elbow]

you'll read/write a lot doing any development

[feral cypress]

Ohh ok

Thank you so much for the help

Actually last question: if i use the microcenter deal, is the 9900x overkill for UE (all aspects of game development except sound design), and if so, whats a cheaper CPU that would work good for UE?

[wise elbow]

it isn't overkill. though it might lag behind a bit in gaming because of how it's designed

it has twelve cores but they're split into 2 pairs which some games can be sensitive to

[feral cypress]

What Ryzen CPU is viable for UR?

I dont wanna go Intel because of the recent reliability issues and crashes

[wise elbow]

I wouldn't use anything less than a Ryzen 7 unless you're limited by budget

it can make compile times long

[feral cypress]

I mean my budget is 1k, but I can go to 1.5k if needed

[wise elbow]

what GPU were you going to get?

[feral cypress]

GPU I want a 9060xt 16gb

I want full AMD because they have good price to performance on CPUS and GPUS

[wise elbow]

i would be shocked if you can build all of this for less than 1k

[feral cypress]

Im def not going to

Thats why i said i would go up to 1.5k

Im planning to use the microcenter 9900x or maybe 9700x deal for 549.99 or 429 .99 respectively which include 32gb of ram and an x870e-p or b650 motherboard, with 2tb of storage and an 850 watt PSU

[grave sundial]

It used to be OEM's only, but can be bought by single-users now, apparently.

$1,220.
$1,324 - Gigabyte AI TOP variant

[mighty patrol]

That's it

Also where lol "*Artist render. Not available for purchase. "

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/workstations/radeon-ai-pro/ai-9000-series/amd-radeon-ai-pro-r9700.html

[grave sundial]

Two guys purchased one each. I am trying to find their source.

[mighty patrol]

Available upon request apparently

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-ai-pro-r9700-has-already-launched-but-will-be-only-available-via-system-integrators/

So prebuilts

[grave sundial]

https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/commercial/radeon-ai-pro-r9700

Spec sheet from Sapphire.

[mighty patrol]

Yeah I saw that

[grave sundial]

According to VideoCardz, the Arc Pro B60 Dual with 48GB ships this week.

$1,200.

[mighty patrol]

Arc would be nice to

Replace 2080 super

[mighty patrol]

Would be sick to find a A100 for cheap

[grave sundial]

cheap is a fantasy now.

[mighty patrol]

Lol

[grave sundial]

Raid a bank.

[mighty patrol]

I mean there's a few for like 6k

[grave sundial]

There is only THE PRICE.

[mighty patrol]

Which is relatively cheap

Amazon has one for 11k

[median marsh]

https://www.techpowerup.com/339957/redditor-scores-radeon-ai-pro-r9700-in-retail-for-usd-1220

[mighty patrol]

Ah

There's a website that re-sells

https://www.exxactcorp.com/GIGABYTE-GV-R9700AI-TOP-32GD-E150452342

Say's 404 but it shows up after a second or so

You can get a quote

[median marsh]

yea, but honestly AMD isn't helping themself with this

other than no reviews are out

which may show us that it's a 16GB upgrade on the 9070 XT for >600 bucks

[mighty patrol]

Why release an AI card but not really sell it

Except to limited people ofc

Can't imagine they sell many

[median marsh]

me neither, who in their right mind buys them if they don't have numbers

[mighty cosmos]

I'm pretty sure I know people that would grab a couple dozen or more of those if you could just buy them lol

[median marsh]

i think it's way more overpriced than what nvidia does 😄

$600 for 16GB upgrade is a fricking joke, chances are very high that the performance is on 9070XT niveau

[mighty patrol]

Can buy A100 8 packs instead

https://smicro.eu/nvidia-delta-hgx-gpu-baseboard-8-a100-80gb-sxm4-935-23587-0000-200-1

Costs way more but likely get more use

[median marsh]

and they don't even offer something like nvlink to link cards?!

[grave sundial]

I think the guy who bought the R9700, has his own proprietorship or limited company.

He was able to get a quote and order it as a 'commercial customer'.

[wise elbow]

I doubt it would be better at gaming, no?

[wise elbow]

the AMD cards are actually pretty good now but no CUDA is still a killer in a lot of circumstances

[somber surge]

Nvidia is the king of overpricing "Pro" gpus for a couple of GB more

"just" 600$ for double the vram on a pro gpu isn't that bad in the current market

[median marsh]

but the pro ones come with NVLink!?

[wise elbow]

most of the cost of the pro GPUs is support and being able to blame Nvidia if you have a hardware error

god knows you need it now

[mighty patrol]

Likely not but would be nice to have an intel card for testing.

[orchid iron]

Wtf, that's where SLI went? Bruuhuh

[somber surge]

https://youtu.be/Z_gpD0tePww

Damn nice monitor

I'm tempted but still afraid of going OLED with my usage 🥲

[wise elbow]

I definitely wouldn't get one of you plan on doing anything other than game or watch video

[orchid iron]

I can never get over monitor names

[mighty cosmos]

yeah amd has been lazy enough to not even have rocm support for their latest consumer gpus on windows

As much as I dislike nvidia's marketing department and some of their practices
Nvidia does put a huge amount of effort into developer support, docs, software support, etc...

[median marsh]

idk... 😄

https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/non-existent-shared-vram-on-nvidia-linux-drivers/260304

that's a >2 years old thread

and nvidia didn't even bother to respond

they do what's necessary to keep people trapped in the cuda world

[orchid iron]

That's not a bug, that's a feature

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/gamers-nexus-nvidia-3080ti-gpu-money-printer-gif-21792843

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mlY2QjP_-9s&pp=0gcJCf8Ao7VqN5tD

[median marsh]

https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-graphics-cards/the-rog-matrix-geforce-rtx-5090-celebrates-30-years-of-gaming-innovation/

800W power limit 😄

[grave sundial]

A bit more and it can compete with microwave ovens.

Reach for the 1KW,
You can DO it! 🎶

[somber surge]

800W on a single 12VHPWR that can't even stand 600W without burning?

What could go wrong

[median marsh]

Today, we’re ready to confirm that the online detectives of the world were correct on all these fronts. Behind the scenes, we’ve been working on software that can make use of the data provided by this sensor, and the result of our efforts is a new feature in GPU Tweak III called Level Sense.

lmao

they added a gyro to detect sagging cards 😄

The ROG Matrix GeForce RTX 5090 refuses to accept those limitations. It can draw up to 800W when it’s plugged into an advanced BTF motherboard and plugged directly into a power supply through a 12v2x6 cable.

so maybe there's 200W reserve in the specs for the onboard power 🤷

[grave sundial]

Isn't that the new connector from China?

Oh no, that was a different one I had posted.

[median marsh]

i think that's also why the 1000W+ bios for the Astral exists in the first place

[grave sundial]

That was GDMI or something, for monitors.

[median marsh]

what does it do? Carry power for the screen?

[grave sundial]

It's apparently capable of delivering very high resolution data transfers much better than the existing HDMI cables.

I forget the details. Let me see if I can find that article for you.

[median marsh]

isn't that what DP is supposed to do already?

even tho it's kinda hdmi 🤷

[grave sundial]

Got it. - https://www.digit.in/features/general/chinas-new-cable-standard-gpmi-is-challenging-western-connectivity-dominance.html

This is old news though. It was like, 2 months ago? 🤷‍♂️

[median marsh]

yea old is relative

nice able to carry ~500W

so in theory you could have a lighter/cheaper screen with this, as it wouldn't need a PSU in the screen

oh DP can do this, too

[orchid iron]

they use their back connect connector alongside the 600w fire hazard so that it can draw 800watts very very VERY safely

(compatible only with back side connecter motherboards)

[median marsh]

the 600W connector could be pretty safe if the specification wasn't a disaster to begin with

and all current "solutions" kinda suck, only thing i got hope for is seasonics solution which is rumored to release 2026...

https://pg.asrock.com/Power-Supply/features/CableOver-PG-1000G.jpg asrock at least has a PSU series with thermal sensor which shuts down power

just looked at seasonics board... i hope this get's a refactor, too

or that there's another set of shunts on the back

[somber surge]

Well, the connector isn't the biggest issue, the biggest issue is that Nvidia wants to save pennies by not allowing 2 connectors on gpus that would definitely need it + forcing them to have a single 12V rail connected to all of the pins, which doesn't allow for any basic monitoring with shunt resistors

[median marsh]

the connector is likely very fine

the issue is that it should be protected on the PSU side, just like your house/apartment fuses are placed at the split of power

ofc you can use shunt resistors

that's what asus does on the astral

[somber surge]

Except not everyone uses a native connector, it should be the responsability of the gpu to ensure all pins have similar amount of power going through

[median marsh]

and?

[somber surge]

They don't do anything aside from monitoring, because they still go to the same single 12V rail, they don't have any failsafe with those shunt resistors

[median marsh]

the failsafe would be to turn off the card, which for whatever reason Asus decided not to do

and still, this migates an issue which is still present

a PSU allowing too much power draw from a cable/connector which isn't suited for it

[somber surge]

The reason: Nvidia

[median marsh]

[ ] doubt

board partners can make their own designs and decisions

[somber surge]

Nope

It's pretty much all locked down, EVGA left in part because of this bullshit

[median marsh]

so how did Asus come away with their monitoring?

[somber surge]

Because the design of the board is still the same, they just added an extra step that doesn't do anything

You'll get a cool red color in their app in case the connector doesn't work well, too bad it might have already killed the gpu :p

[median marsh]

which makes the whole thing pretty pointless imho

and idc what EVGA claims

nvidia has likely good reasons to put out a reference design

and i kind of doubt that Asus isn't allowed to add a feature like card shutdown. all of their RGB, fan controller stuff is also custom and way more involved in how the gpu operates after all

[orchid iron]

Fun fact, XFX used to make Nvidia GPUs, then left because of similar reasons

[median marsh]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-5090-astral/images/back.jpg

here you can see the shunts on the astral

but watching 6 of 12 wires is pointless

[somber surge]

There's enough proof by now that Nvidia is very conservative on what get a pass or not

Just look at gpus designs a decade ago and now

[median marsh]

it's all speculation without knowing the contracts

do you know how much it would cost a gpu vendor to make their own circuit for a modern GPU?

it's just waste of money and time

[somber surge]

Yeah like if no one with insider knowledge has never talked about this

But sure let's pretend Nvidia is the good guy

[median marsh]

having a reference design is good

[wise elbow]

I think USB c can technically do that. there's not really a standard for USB c

I can't imagine this cable is very thin and still allow high power and data

12vhpwr just sucks all around

sure the connection sucks, but it's just too thin to be used for what it's doing, regardless of the connection

also shame on board partners for designing cards to pull higher than the rated power

utterly irresponsible

[spice girder]

I find this video from der8auer intressting in regards of the melting 12vhpwr connector and cable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB75fEt7tH0&t=777s

[orchid iron]

Which takes the knowledge from "actually hardcore overclockers" video about the topic

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-30rock-fellow-kids-one-of-us-gif-21904018

Me asking a question about AI to people who know AI

[median marsh]

because the conclussion is outright wrong

cable protection belongs at the beginning of the cable

could the board partners reduce the risk with an investment of <$5 per card? absolutely. But no one calls out the PSU manufacturers in this

[orchid iron]

Alright, but the main issue is that everything was perfectly fine when GPUs used 8pin connectors, because those were over spec-ed and the GPU manufacturers could put shunt resistors right next to the 8 pin

(Although, even back then, Nvidia just overcomplicated everything and tried to make active load balancing instead of passive load balancing)

Like imagine if on the GPU, all 3 8 pin would combine into one, AND THEN the board partner puts a shunt resistor for all 3, that would feel so cheap and so unsafe

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BAnQNGs0lOc

[median marsh]

even those should be protected by the PSU

it's just that for decades no one really cared

and now we have PSUs which are capable of putting enough power out to weld metal

[mighty patrol]

I remember having an old PSU catch fire

[median marsh]

also i think the 12VHPWR fail rate is very low

[mighty patrol]

Ah the good old days

[orchid iron]

And the video explains why it is much harder to do on PSU side than GPU side

[median marsh]

yes, but that's just one safety measure

doesn't excuse missing protection of the cable on the PSU side

in every industry you have fuses when going to lower diameter cables

or the main cable is fused according to the thinest fork

which is to protect cables/connectors from melting....

i don't even know how those PSUs are "legal" here, usually germany is very strict about those things

maybe that's why landlords are forced to install smoke detectors in every flat they rent out 😄

so there's finally fires again

[median marsh]

https://gamegpu.com/images/thumbnails/images/1_2025/NEWS/q2/S.T.A.L.K.E.R._2/got-burned-by-the-infamous-12vhpwr-connection-heres-my-v0-9uz0dlij302f1-stretch-800x1067.jpg

[mighty patrol]

That looks safe

[mighty cosmos]

I very much prefer corsair's solution, they have the connector split into 2 8pin

over some PSUs that have the "native" high power connector

[median marsh]

yea that reduces the risk on the PSU side a bit

i think asrocks solution with temperature sensor is better than nothing

and imho my "favorite" among the weirdo "solutions" to this

likely until seasonic releases theirs

[orchid iron]

Ooooh, fuses

Yeah, that should be there, but also there was probably never a situation where that was needed...until Nvidia was like:"hey so guys, we have a standard that's better than everyone else's and we also know best, so if you impiliment it, we'll also force you to use specific PCB circuits to connect our standard (the best one) to our GPU "

[median marsh]

doesn't even need to be fuses in a modern PSU

you can use shunt and measure current, and shut off the PSU when necessary

that costs like $5 if i build it myself on breadboard 😛

so they probably can do <$1

pretty much 2x this https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005006565844627.html

with other shunt resistors

[pulsar zephyr]

i was checking some compat stuff and wondered why pangoly pc builder says the MB and RAM isnt compatible

both type of RAM (DDR5) and speed (5600) are marked supported
can it be the latency ?

[orchid iron]

Each motherboard has a list of very specific kits that they are """compatible""" with (you can check on the Mobo manufacture website)
But yeah, may be working completely or partially even if it isn't in the list, and vice versa, it may not work at all even while being on the list
But you can annoy customer support of Mobo if it is on the list xD

[wise elbow]

memory is a crapshoot

[mighty cosmos]

@pulsar zephyr yeah you shouldn't be thermal limited then since I'm not either

[pulsar zephyr]

i got nothing to do, let me clear engine and rebuild

with new settings

[mighty cosmos]

Wait like 10min I'll give you mine

Where did you mount the radiator?
Did you tighten the block properly?

95C is fine and expected (it will reach it with literally any cooler) but the discrepancy in build times is making me sus

[pulsar zephyr]

i used the swrew driver until i was blocked, then releseed a bit

[mighty cosmos]

Ok that's fine

[pulsar zephyr]

i was told to not tight it to max

[mighty cosmos]

Hm I don't usually release, I tighten as much as I can without forcing anything, when I feel resistance that's it

But doubt that made any difference here

[pulsar zephyr]

yeah same here

[pulsar zephyr]

woops, wrong device

[mighty cosmos]

[pulsar zephyr]

im at 85-90

degrees

[mighty cosmos]

that sounds fine

[mighty cosmos]

it will spike to 92 ish towards the end of the build where only a few cores are under load (so it can boost higher which will spike the temps)

@pulsar zephyr when you can try running the corona 10 benchmark, curious what you will get

these are my results

[pulsar zephyr]

29m to compile

but always around 90 degress, and almost instantly went to 50 degress when finished

[mighty patrol]

Is that benchmark focused on cpu?

[pulsar zephyr]

did you had any random stuff like chrome open while doing this ?

[mighty cosmos]

yeah

[pulsar zephyr]

at around 80 deg

[mighty cosmos]

nope

[pulsar zephyr]

closing chrome added 800 to the score lol

[mighty cosmos]

yeah ok you are fine then

[mighty patrol]

Ty always looking for more benchmark tools

[pulsar zephyr]

maybe i just have to OC my cpu and ram, but for now im happy

[mighty cosmos]

yeah something else must be slowing the engine builds then

either storage speeds or something else

[median marsh]

ItS nViDiAs FaUlT

https://www.techpowerup.com/340193/melting-12vhpwr-connector-claims-its-first-amd-rx-9070-xt-victim

[mighty cosmos]

one of the comments

it's almost like a higher rated power supply only supplies the power the components actually use

[median marsh]

well, so much power on such small room is indeed insane

[mighty cosmos]

oh someone also linked 8pin connectors burning up
https://www.reddit.com/r/watercooling/comments/15pfhgc/3080_8_pin_pci_cable_seems_to_have_melted_in_the

[median marsh]

i'm suprised those GPUs survive the warranty duration 😄

imho modern PSU designs/circuits are flawed

they are supposed to protect the cables, etc.

[mighty cosmos]

tbf when all individual wires are undamaged 600W through it is perfectly fine
The issue is when there is more current flowing through a smaller set of wires because others are damaged or not in contact

I'm still willing to bet the cases of these connectors melting are like 0.05% max

if even that much

[median marsh]

yea, feeling the same

it's rare but when it happens it's spectacular 😄

[mighty cosmos]

yeah lol

[pulsar zephyr]

anyone knows something about "unlinking" a windows key from my old harware to new one ?

[median marsh]

they are linked now?!

usually you try to install, then it tells you the key wasn't used too often, and you have to reactivate it

only had that once, called a hotline with a "chatbot" and that thing reactivated it (but that was Windows XP era)

[pulsar zephyr]

trobleshot tool just says "sorry im shit i cant do anything contact support"

where apparently from microsoft docs it should give my an option "i changed hardware"

[median marsh]

google microsoft activation hotline

[pulsar zephyr]

its midnight

[median marsh]

it's bot's anyways 😄

[mighty cosmos]

I have no clue, mine never deactivated when changing hardware

I have replaced so many thing already and not once did I have to reactivate it
So no clue how exactly windows decides when a hardware change requires reactivation

[pulsar zephyr]

if its "enough"

and MB is "enough"

[mighty cosmos]

I have changed like 4 MBs and 4 CPUs on this same windows activation

and like 5 gpus

Oh if it's a preinstalled OEM license then it will do that, apparently
If it's not and you linked your MS account it might not ask for reactivation

that's what I'm finding from googling

[pulsar zephyr]

its not preinstalled

i made the build from sractch since the first time

[mighty cosmos]

Ever linked the MS account?
I have no clue, I never had to reactivate, but I have linked the MS account so no clue if that's why

[pulsar zephyr]

i did linked it

i cant contact MS

it tells me to check community help

well now it worked

random ass troubleshooter

[orchid iron]

Windows Key when activated, gets put on the motherboard, so when transfering drives, you gotta keep in in mind

[orchid iron]

Imagine if UDNA series of GPUs get called something like PTX 1060 XT

Or PTX 1090 XT

[median marsh]

https://videocardz.com/newz/maxsun-arc-pro-b60-dual-with-48gb-memory-has-been-listed-in-germany-at-e1500

not that it's really an interesting card for anyone doing UE stuff...

[orchid iron]

If this is battlemage, I'm hyped about celestial

[median marsh]

yeah, i hope intel gains foot again

[orchid iron]

we need more competition in the cpu and gpu space in general

[somber surge]

Let's just hope the new CEO doesn't kill the entire DGPU division

Though maybe with the recent investments from Softbank and the US they won't have to be so drastic with cuts

[orchid iron]

new celestial will probably have significantly higher price since he wants 50% profit margins

but I would buy it if it has like 64gb of ram for around 1.5k$ xD

[wise elbow]

really curious about celestial if it releases

i feel like it has a chance to just be better than amd

[orchid iron]

could be better by just having more vram and allow for LPDDR5 support (upcoming low end amd gpus have LPDDR5X instead of gddr6)

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tUnRWh4xOCY

[median marsh]

yea, it's funny that they just happen to half a half assed documentary about the same topic 😄

[agile lodge]

https://wccftech.com/intel-clearwater-forest-e-core-xeon-cpu-12-cpu-chiplets-18a-node-288-darkmont-cores-17-ipc-increase-2x-l2-cache-bandwidth-ddr5-8000-support/

[white horizon]

Local video game expo had someone selling hardware and I barely missed a 200$ (CAD) 6800XT

Would've been good for my home CI pc i'm building

sad

[orchid iron]

ayyyy, the 18A node lives! Nice

[somber surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZRG7Og61mw

Framework laptops finally having decent gpus....and of course it has only 8GB of vram

I guess now at least buyers can upgrade to the 6070 which will probably have like 9GB of vram...

770€ for an 8GB 5070 💀

[orchid iron]

At this point using integrated graphics makes more sense

[orchid iron]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2025/06/20/16-billion-apple-facebook-google-passwords-leaked---change-yours-now/

[mighty patrol]

June?

[white horizon]

Wonder if you could solder in some more ram modules

[orchid iron]

Even if you solder, there aren't any traces on the motherboard, so you'd have to do that, and then also flash a custom Vbios on that GPU, which may or may not work

[median marsh]

most memory mods change the existing chips for bigger ones, so, e.g. from 2GB modules you swap to 3GB chips

[white horizon]

yeah what i meant

[orchid iron]

there might still be some issues since you'd have to tell the GPU's memory controller that it does in fact have more memory than it normally would, which is why I was talking about the vBIOS thing

[median marsh]

may depend on the GPU, i guess the memory chips tell the GPU their address ranges/size

[somber surge]

More frequently they just double up with the same chips

It costs less to just double up and keep half of them than having to replace them all :p

Especially when you have 12 to replace like on a 4090 (e.g. Gamer Nexus documentary)

[median marsh]

that's a custom PCB as far as i understood it

nothing they would do for weak cards

[somber surge]

Well, you wouldn't do it on a cheap card anyway

What's the point of spending more to upgrade the gpu vram than the cost of the card itself, just buy an higher tier one

🤣

But of course that's what Nvidia wants you to do, hence why they have those garbage tier vram configurations

[median marsh]

well, i think it's fine for gamers with the 50 series

every model has a 16GB variant, which should be fine for the majority of users

for content creation it can suck tho

[orchid iron]

Future low end AMD GPUs will very likely have LPDDR5X instead (normally GDDR was supposed to be for higher end GPUs in the first place)

[somber surge]

Except the ones most gamers can actually afford

5070...5060...

[median marsh]

5060TI and 5070TI are affordable?!

the RX9070 is somewhere between

[random bane]

Guys, I’m looking on Amazon for a product, a power regulator device for computers, cheap and good quality. Does anyone know?

[median marsh]

i've looked at some and i came to the conclussion that a UPS might be a better choice 🤷

the only one i kinda liked was the Green Cell stuff

but i don't have any hands on experience

which is pretty much an inline UPS without battery (but with connector to add an external battery)

[random bane]

AVR is cheaper and does the job.

My computer is about to crash and my game files are gone. All because I don't have a voltage regulator 😭

[somber surge]

5060Ti is trash compared to the 5070 but then the 5070 only has 12GB and the next tier up is +200 bucks

There is nothing viable in between that has minimum 16GB

There's a big market between 400 bucks and 750+ 🤣

The 9070..depends on your region for pricing and not as good as Nvidia still, maybe with their FSR Redstone thing they will be 100% competitive

FSR 4 is really good but adoption is rather slow

[median marsh]

the 5060TI isn't trash!?

if you can only afford a $400 card, you get a good card.

[orchid iron]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-launches-l-shaped-12v-2x6-gpu-power-cable-with-built-in-overheating-protection

[orchid iron]

Check reviews

[median marsh]

i got the one without l-shape but thermal protection, seems to be a decent PSU

also made by FSP, so one of the major PSU producers

tho, i don't like how they placed the sensor on the cable

if you bend it slightly in the wrong direction the sensor might be lifted and have no contact with the cable. They should have put it inbetween the V+ and GND cables

[somber surge]

It's ok for its price point (9060XT destroys it though) but it's trash compared to the 5070, the 5070 is a good 25-35% faster depending on the games, that's a big margin. So if you have the money for a 5070 you're either stuck with it praying that it doesn't end up like the 3070... or have to take a way slower gpu just for the 16GB

[agile lodge]

the savior of them all

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TyjGiVwsBtA

This video really reminded me of my own laptop, almost everything that happened to this kid happened to mine

Laptop is basically a desktop, mouse pad and laptop keyboard gather dust while I use external keyboard and mouse

Someone at dell thought it was a great idea to put a 4k display on a Nvidia 960m, so I have a 720p external display I use for games that don't allow for resolution to be changed

Mine had a 128gb m.2 ssd and 1T HDD that were both almost dead, so I swapped them out for better storage, but I still use them (the old SSD is in a m.2 enclosure serving as a usb stick, and old HDD has a sata to usb cable, serving as external HDD)

Battery died so I changed it

Cable had so much wear and tear, so I also changed it in advance, but I keep it as a backup cable since it hasn't broken yet

Thermal paste was changed

I even got the external laptop cooling, which just elevated the laptop tbh, I lose the usb to usb cable that powers the external fans

When the operating system kept limiting it artificially and saying it was too old and couldn't upgrade to windows 11 I switched it to Linux

(Fun fact you can't boot from external drive using usb on windows 10, so the kid is either unaware of it, or it is a windows version below 10 xD )

(Also yes, I use unreal engine 5.5 on it)

[random bane]

When I watch the video, I feel the world’s population has really become huge

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1Ps-RGyrkQs?si=Qi3XBFK61mbjVGb1

[wise elbow]

i really hate how the 5060ti can go up to 16gb but the 5070 cant

there should be no circumstance a 5070 loses to a 5060ti lol

16gb is almost too much for the 9060 and 5060ti...

[somber surge]

Should have always been 12-12-18-18-24-32 for the 60-60Ti-70-70Ti-80-90

Using the 3GB chips

But of course they prefer keeping those 3GB chips for AI GPUs and give use scraps :p

I bet next gen they will upgrade to 12GB for low end...except it will already be too little by then

[orchid iron]

That's current internal plans for AMD
Although prices should be lower since they are no longer using gddr for low end
Plus with chiplet design, they have so many ways to bin their stuff

[somber surge]

Chiplets are expensive for low end stuff

For smaller chips the cost of packaging remove all the benefits that you would gain by combining multiple processes for multiple dies

[orchid iron]

They'll be using N2X, so using chiplets for much higher bins make sense

But you have a point, maybe low end will be a rare thing since it is a byproduct of trying to make a mid tier GPU

[somber surge]

At some point you can't rely on bining to get that many low end chips, bining doesn't make the chip cheaper to produce

That's probably why the 9070 is dumb price wise compared to the 9070XT, because it's just a binned down 9070XT but the chip still cost a lot to make

[median marsh]

eh

i rather think the 9070 is the real price

and with the 9070XT you pay for the binning

[somber surge]

Yeah there's that too, the 9070XT was definitely supposed to be more expensive

[median marsh]

at this point i think that AMD just makes GPUs to do nvidia a favor

so that it appears as if nvidia doesn't have a monopoly 😄

[somber surge]

They are acting like they have the 90% market share lmao

[median marsh]

how so?

[somber surge]

And just forgot it's the other way around

[somber surge]

Well, they are making all the possible dumbest decisions (a bit less with RDNA4 but because there has been a lot of backlash), like if they were Nvidia and could afford to not care at all and keep market share. Except in their case, they have a lot of ground to cover to have a decent market share...which you know is the whole point of any business x)

[median marsh]

Well, they are making all the possible dumbest decisions
well, that's just AMD at this point 😄

[somber surge]

Eh

That's more a Radeon thing

Like when they thought "hey why not launch the same crappy gpu as the 4060 but with the name 7600 and the same price, surely that will sell"

Or when they thought "hey why not launch a 5070Ti competitor for the same price even though our gpu is inferior, surely that will sell"

[orchid iron]

They are both publicly traded companies, so they both have an obligation to make as much profit as possible

And people bought the 7600, 4060, 5070 ti and 9070xt, so no real point in lowering the msrp when everything seems to want to increase it artificially somehow

[somber surge]

Well..if you want to make money you need market share

And you won't get market share if you do the same product as your already very well established competitor

But AMD is apparently struggling to see that

Radeon need a real Zen 1 moment if they want to do anything in this market, even with the multiple terrible launches that Nvidia did, they are still easily outselling AMD

So now imagine if Nvidia start to actually make very good products again 🤣

[orchid iron]

Only that happens is when AI bubble bursts, which should be in a few years, maybe less

[orchid iron]

Probably why they are changing RDNA name to UDNA

[somber surge]

I mean, if they just used a tiny fraction of their resources they would easily make a banger generation

Their biggest issue isn't even the gpus, it's vram, that's very easy to fix

[orchid iron]

They can't, otherwise it'll eat into their AI revenue

AMD is in a similar situation in that regard, however due to lower market share, they'll up the Vram amount compared to Nvidia

[somber surge]

Maybe next gen they will have 4GB chips for those and won't have any use for the 3GB chips

But then again next gen 12GB on low end is probably already too low 🤣

[orchid iron]

B580 is selling well, and that has 12gb

[somber surge]

12GB in 2025 sure

12GB in 2027 will already start to feel too small I bet

And then once they actually upgrade to 12GB...they will probably keep it for another decade lmao

[orchid iron]

8gb is already too small in 2025

[somber surge]

2035 and you'll still get 12GB on entry level gpus

🤣

[orchid iron]

Nah, it'll be 16gb in 2035, but the games need 24gb minimum to just play xD

[somber surge]

Well...we've had 8GB gpus for a good decade now

So I can definitely imagine Nvidia releasing a 12GB low end gpu in 10 years from now

Unless there is a new cheap way of having big capacity GDDR

[orchid iron]

3060 was 6gb
And 1060 was 4? I forgot

[somber surge]

3060 was 12

1060 6

[orchid iron]

There is no need for GDDR on low end models

[orchid iron]

And then, they released a 6gb version xD

[somber surge]

But RTX 3000 can't be compared to that much, they had incredibly cheap dies from Samsung

Which is why the die size has dropped off a cliff with RTX 4000, and the bus width with it

[somber surge]

8*

[orchid iron]

2060 had 6gb

[median marsh]

30 series was samsung and 40+ is TSMC?

[somber surge]

Yeah

Samsung 8nm

And they got it dirt cheap

Which is why the 3080 was 699 but with a die size bigger than a 4090 🤣

Even a 3060Ti is bigger than a 5080

Though obviously TSMC N4 is much much much more efficient

[median marsh]

on paper i guess

my 3060 was almost 600 on release

[orchid iron]

https://youtu.be/B2482h_TNwg?si=d2RfXqvLiTStcygz

This is an 8 month project, make sure to give them a like 😀

[orchid iron]

So I found a very janky way to connect a GPU to a laptop, and so I was looking into buying a GPU for around 200-250€ probably used
And I was eyeing either Radeon VII, a770, 5700xt or 7600

Maybe b580 if black market is generous

Black Friday*

[random bane]

Guys, you’re my only hope.
I’m facing an issue with sudden restarts, event ID 41.
The easiest way to reproduce the problem is when I run After Effects, play a video, stop it quickly, and move the timeline.

All hardware test programs show everything is fine. I suspect the power supply might be the cause, but I want to be sure first، I don’t want to buy a new one without confirming.

[orchid iron]

Try running a benchmark that makes your system draw as much power as the specific case you are describing

If it is PSU, it'll make same symptoms

If not, probably something else

Check PSU connections to pc parts, someone fixed their problems that was PSU related thanks to that

[random bane]

Ok I'll try

[random bane]

I ran a benchmark test and everything is working perfectly. The results were excellent with no sign of error 41
I also checked the computer’s wiring, and it looks like every cable is properly connected

[random bane]

The problem was solved.
I replaced the wall power socket with an original one.
I also added a grounding wire to the socket, and that fixed the issue.
Thanks for the help.

[orchid iron]

cool, next time someone else has similar problems, I'll ask if they have ground xD

because that's something "expected" however, not everyone may know that

[random bane]

When you told me to check the computer cables, while I was going to do that I was surprised to find the case had some electricity.
So it occurred to me that maybe the ground wire could be the problem.
That’s why your advice was useful.

[orchid iron]

Aaah, gotcha, happy to help

[orchid iron]

What are you guys' opinion on the Radeon VII?

If it is around 200-250€

[orchid iron]

I'm considering this or the Rx 6600

[somber surge]

Depends on the use case but it's probably not a good choice

Driver support is pretty bad on those old gpus, especially since that gpu had a very specific architecture

And it will likely be phased out not so long from now

[orchid iron]

So 6600 probably better since right now it supports all unreal engine 5 features, unlike the Radeon VII

[somber surge]

For 250 bucks you might even be able to find 9060XT 8GB

Or 7600XT 16GB

[median marsh]

i would rather get an used 3060 12GB

[orchid iron]

It is for a laptop that has a 960m in it already, idk how clunky it would get with two different Nvidia GPUs
That's why I would prefer from a different vendor like AMD or intel

[orchid iron]

Rx 6600 8gb: 220€
Rx 7600xt 16gb: 350€
Rx 9060xt 8gb: 320€

[orchid iron]

I also wish I could find a 9060xt for 250 xD

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/rZZn3BMyjZ8?si=sHlNMNkeKxT2qcyq

Now it makes sense why AMD should invest more into gaming than AI

[restive notch]

Hey does anyone know anything about KVM switch boxes to connect my gaming laptop to the tv yes I know it has a HDMI to connect but I don't want that I want a KVM box

[wise elbow]

sounds like you just want a dock for the tv

[restive notch]

Kind of

I really wanted a dev kit but I have to wait for that until I complete my game

So a good KVM switch box dock for tv will be the best thing for me

I love trying out different tech

[mighty patrol]

Steam deck or other handheld?

If you can run on that you can run on a console

[restive notch]

No for my gaming laptop

Someone please help 🙁

[orchid iron]

There are KVM switches for hdmi sources
What do you want to do exactly?
Switch from TV box source to gaming laptop source and vice versa easily?

[restive notch]

Gaming laptop to tv

And I'd connect my Xbox series X too

I have a 12 thousand dollars MSI titan gaming dragon laptop

[orchid iron]

Sounds awesome, until you said "laptop"
But yeah, look into KVM switches hdmi, makes things super easy if you only have one type of connector to deal with

[restive notch]

Laptop

Makes it harder?

I don't know what to look for do they all support

Will they support my Xbox series X aswell

[orchid iron]

If it outputs hdmi, you should be fine

[restive notch]

What type of KVM switch box do I need that's good enough but not too expensive or they all work

[mighty patrol]

Ugreen usually has good quality they sell a kvm switch

[restive notch]

Can someone send me a link I'm from Australia

[mighty patrol]

How many connections?

Just 2?

[restive notch]

https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChsSEwissrOcob2PAxUm4xYFHSp5AMQYACICCAEQABoCdGw&ae=2&aspm=1&co=1&ase=2&gclid=Cj0KCQjwzt_FBhCEARIsAJGFWVnii8Dut2nzEuasOkHF2QZKkLu0Ad1kkXPn22xKgfDyY6JWs4eI2_kaAnC7EALw_wcB&cce=2&category=acrcp_v1_35&sig=AOD64_18toxpVc71bH-T6WvfFDEI5_6-yA&q&nis=4&adurl&ved=2ahUKEwjIwa6cob2PAxUa0DQHHe2CBuMQ0Qx6BAgIEAE

Yeah 2

[mighty patrol]

https://www.amazon.com.au/UGREEN-Computers-Peripheral-Switcher-One-Button/dp/B01N6GD9JO

[orchid iron]

Due to portability challenges, battery, size, weight etc
Most of the laptop price is put into making a power machine fit those constraints, not much of that is actual price you'd have paid for a desktop equivalent

[restive notch]

Lucifer dawn just said anyone would work

[mighty patrol]

Most should yeah

So long as the usb and other ports are up to date

[restive notch]

USB?

HDMI laptop

[mighty patrol]

Yeah

But it's kvm

You plug in your hdmi and other devices

[restive notch]

Up to date ?

On the box

Or like my laptop being updated

[mighty patrol]

No the hardware shouldn't be an issue with newer kvms

[restive notch]

I'm using unreal engine 5.4

[mighty patrol]

As long as your systems also newer

[restive notch]

I've got the best laptop on the market

[mighty patrol]

Then any newer kvm should be fine

[restive notch]

It's got a 5090 in it

[mighty patrol]

Would just possibly be limited depending on the age is all

[restive notch]

https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChsSEwissrOcob2PAxUm4xYFHSp5AMQYACICCAEQABoCdGw&ae=2&aspm=1&co=1&ase=2&gclid=Cj0KCQjwzt_FBhCEARIsAJGFWVnii8Dut2nzEuasOkHF2QZKkLu0Ad1kkXPn22xKgfDyY6JWs4eI2_kaAnC7EALw_wcB&cce=2&category=acrcp_v1_35&sig=AOD64_18toxpVc71bH-T6WvfFDEI5_6-yA&q&nis=4&adurl&ved=2ahUKEwjIwa6cob2PAxUa0DQHHe2CBuMQ0Qx6BAgIEAE

Can you find me a good one from here

Please

Or at least show me what types to look for in terms

[mighty patrol]

https://www.centrecom.com.au/ugreen-cm662-usb-30-2-in-4-out-sharing-switch

An example

Can look around but it's a higher rated one based on reviews online

[restive notch]

That ones good?

[mighty patrol]

Seems to be other vendors it has good reviews

[mighty patrol]

Compare

Aus amazon

[restive notch]

Is there a model make I need to to search for

Newer types

[mighty patrol]

Pretty sure this is a newer things for them.

Like in the last few years

So should be up to date

Pretty quick speeds for it's usb etc

[restive notch]

HDMI into a KVM switch box not usb

Is this new model does it have a number of its make for a new one

[mighty patrol]

It has 2 hdmis

Unless I linked the wrong one

[restive notch]

Example ps2 the PS3 is there a specific number I should search about the KVM to get newer models

I mean PS2 old the PS3

Like old KVM model number or whatever

Newer model update model I need

[mighty patrol]

Newer should still work it will just be slowed to the speed of the older tech

https://www.amazon.com.au/UGREEN-High-Speed-Transmission-Keyboard-Printer/dp/B0C8NFPSJV

[restive notch]

It won't work I don't think my laptop too strong

Lab was right

@orchid iron il send you the specs

[mighty patrol]

They do have better ones

Was just not sure budget

[restive notch]

https://www.centrecom.com.au/msi-titan-18-hx-dragon-edition-norse-myth-a2xwjg-18-uhd-core-ultra-9-96gb-ram-6tb-rtx-5090-gaming-laptop

Lol this is the budget😂

Your going to go insane

[orchid iron]

what are the specs of your tv btw? Can it even run 4K @60fps?

[restive notch]

Think it can it's a great one Il check the specs

[orchid iron]

from what I found online, it can run 4K @60fps which is within the specs of the Ugreen model of the kvm HDMI that Lucifer Dawn showed

so even if your computer is really strong, its max output is limited by your tv already, so adding a kvm that already has same limiting specs of tv won't change much

[restive notch]

So it's good?

Or its the same display my laptop would display

What do you mean by won't change much?

[orchid iron]

if you use that tv to recieve your laptop input, adding Ugreen model of the kvm HDMI that Lucifer Dawn showed won't change the quality viewed on the tv

[restive notch]

What would it look like?

What if I used display port into a kvm

https://www.google.com/search?q=can+you+update+tv+specs+to+run+4k60fps+kvm+laptop&client=ms-android-google&sca_esv=518de7ca735d1bf8&ei=laG4aK7lHp6H4-EPx4yPqQ8&oq=can+you+update+tv+specs+to+run+4k60fps+kvm+laptop&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIjFjYW4geW91IHVwZGF0ZSB0diBzcGVjcyB0byBydW4gNGs2MGZwcyBrdm0gbGFwdG9wMgUQABjvBUi0UFCzH1iRTnABeAGQAQCYAY4CoAHKFKoBBDItMTG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgygAqIVwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICBRAhGKABwgIFECEYnwXCAggQABiiBBiJBcICBBAhGBWYAwCIBgGQBgiSBwYxLjAuMTGgB7IQsgcEMi0xMbgHlRXCBwkwLjQuMy40LjHIB1E&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

I need a better KVM?

It's a 4k tv but

[orchid iron]

what are its input sources types? HDMI? Display port?

[restive notch]

Q

Or couldn't I get an inverter or a device a plug add on for dp?

There's devices HDMI to DP

?

https://www.centrecom.com.au/mbeat-toughlink-hdmi-to-displayport-active-adapter-with-usb-power

[orchid iron]

yeah, but more devices, more points of failure, so generally, if every device involved,
tv box, xbox, laptop and tv screen, if they all use hdmi, probably much easier to plug everything into one KVM

[restive notch]

Yes

What one should I buy

That's the only question

Oh I don't have tv box and my Xbox series X is connected already to hdmi

DVD play and an Xbox plugged in my tv currently by HDMI

So given all of that what's my best option

I use wireless mouse aswell

Bluetooth controller without dongle

Just power from my laptop then the correct connection to my TV

Can you please show me the best one

To get to fit what I need not too expensive

[orchid iron]

does australia have amazon?

[restive notch]

Yeah but we have good computers stores

Can get almost anything

[orchid iron]

then just ask them for kvm switch with hdmi 4K 60fps minimum

[restive notch]

Okay what price are we looking at for something like that

Do I need the HDMI to display aswell

And should I change those settings on the tv

[orchid iron]

about 100-150

[orchid iron]

probably not

[restive notch]

Okay but get the adaptor right

HDMI to DP

[orchid iron]

What for? You wrote everything is already connected using hdmi connections

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/vvyYw5WV4sQ?si=sQVN1zrRAWnbj2vd

[somber surge]

DICE just understood RT wasn't making any sense in their game...

There's no other conclusion to draw from this

Pretty much all games going forward will use some form of RT, it just makes development much faster and allows for more ambitious games

Especially with how large the adoption of UE5 is

[orchid iron]

Yeah, at least it is nice there are some Devs who understand RT is not the end all be all

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/FWPgiXSBO-I?si=PtilwJJRXhAOVZFx

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofR7GFNZzJY

[median marsh]

didn't watch the whole video... did he really use the same hardware tho?

most consumer stuff is at a quality which was "military grade" a decade ago, so it's not unlikely, but there's a bunch more things going on than just slapping the stuff together

temperature/humidity tests, etc.

[mighty patrol]

More or less just without the chassis it seemed

and it has civilian capability because we can only have so powerful equipment.

But it still works the exact same as the military version

Just weaker

[median marsh]

capability? you mean transmission power?

[mighty patrol]

Well due to wattage restrictions pretty much yea.

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/MxohHxczs20?si=d19FQcGPLevRu_1h

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cS27ol07bSo&pp=0gcJCcYJAYcqIYzv

gotta love such bad design

[orchid iron]

Excuse me what xD

[fallen oasis]

30% of code being written by AI could easily just be autocomplete and common boilerplate it fills in.

[orchid iron]

Or maybe it could code in code that doesn't work, then constantly erase and remake it so that it looks like it is doing things xD

Because windows code is massive, how tf brand new AI technology immediately made 30 % sounds just fake or hilarious

[median marsh]

windows isn't their only product....

[mighty cosmos]

Pretty sure they clarified somewhere it was just copilot completions

I vaguely remember reading it

[wise elbow]

I wouldn't be shocked if windows development hasn't changed in 10 years

As shit as windows is, they probably still prefer high oversight on anything being added to it (barring dogshit services that get hacked on)

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1theCfcFsA

This thing has a beating heart...

86 Humanity

"Powered by Nvidia"

[agile lodge]

https://wccftech.com/intel-arc-battlemage-bmg-g31-b770-gpu-packaging-spotted/

[median marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H3xQaf7BFI it's back online...

[wise elbow]

legal battle ongoing

[mighty patrol]

Sit Bloomturd

[orchid iron]

From where?

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/WWLSDrxgEPs?si=tFz7Qr0JTatUogzH

If royal core is back in business thanks to the new CEO, that would be amazing

[wise elbow]

Bloomberg I'm pretty sure

[wise elbow]

I believe they expected it to come back up as per YouTube policy

But now Bloomberg or them gets to sue

Can't remember

[orchid iron]

Basically if video gets re-uploaded if Bloomberg doesn't sue within 10 days

Since it got re-uploaded, I'm guessing they choose not to sue

[wise elbow]

ah, I thought this was just an automatic part of the claims process

[orchid iron]

I wish it was, would make copy write abuse way less effective if they would be forced to file a law suit

[tribal ruin]

Intel GPUs can save us all lot of money but seems like in 2030 only

[orchid iron]

Yeah, because some leaks are calling panther lake "pathetic lake" with all the software being so unstable months before release, making NPU useless, only good thing is the celestial GPU tile when it works which they are also having issues with

[orchid iron]

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2025/09/10/sapphire-nitro-b850a-wifi-7-motherboard-review/

Sapphire making mobos worldwide!!!

Flagship is 189.99

[unreal ledge]

what to do if you spilled coca-cola into your pc, am i screwed omg but it's just a few drop, i kicked like empty can and it was left on bottom of my feet, the can flew near my pc and cola water go all over the place 😭

[median marsh]

uhm you turn it off and clean it?!

[unreal ledge]

yes, i can still chat now i guess it's alive, but i didn't remove any pc component

[median marsh]

it's unlikely that it hit any components, still i would clean that mess just to be sure

[unreal ledge]

like it was so stupid i was lucly it didn't hit near the power supply as well. like it fly right next to the pc

like i got like a freaking heart attack

[median marsh]

yea that's from the sugar and caffeine...now go clean it!

[mighty patrol]

If you have isopropyl alcohol also that will help get any sticky residue off.

[unreal ledge]

yes, i hope it not get into the motherboard like the coca can have to hit at the rear with open vent, I can spot watter in my pc case here and there as well but it's only a few drop since I drank most of it

[still summit]

Hello 👋 guys

[violet spade]

You’re fine, just keep it off until you’ve cleaned it all out

[unreal ledge]

Sometimes, people in the USA or Canada complain that PC parts are really expensive. But are they actually expensive when compared to the purchasing power in Western or European countries? I mean when your avg month income is around 4000 - 5000 USD per month, just spare it out for a month without spending anything and you will have a top tier PC hardware for 4 - 5 years ? It sound a great deal ?

I know some of my friends whom not in north America and he made like 400 - 500 USD per month doing some odd job and he got himself a 4090 and a 5080 and a cool ass AMD processor with 16 core !! So cool !!! When he got his first PC he almost crying and having a PC is better than having a girl friends ! So I don't understand why people in North America keep complain and live a little ?

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-spit-drink-gif-15962434655473821932

[twilit spruce]

Hi I tried to zip my project into a connected USB drive, does anyone know what this is?

no matter what I press it doesn't let me save

[fallen oasis]

Irony about cross-posting about multi-volumes?

[twilit spruce]

sorry, what do those words mean?

Im not sure what that is..

[wise elbow]

I mean legit if you aren't working paycheck to paycheck and just don't blow your money on trash every single day, it builds up enough every single year to buy very nice things

no one looks at the cost of something like drinking several sodas a day or buying a coffee somewhere

but the moment you ask if they want to go on a vacation they're fucking broke

[median marsh]

some prefer the small things over time rather than limiting themself for 2 weeks of vacation each year 🤷

[mighty cosmos]

Where I live (within EU) most PC parts are up to 1.5-2x more expensive

CPU prices are less inflated, about 1.2-1.3x

also keep in mind the cost of living tends to be higher in the US

[orchid iron]

The thing is in the US:
You got the IRS to play, then you gotta pay rent, also insurance which is mandatory even though you never use it and you'll never see that money back, cost of living (food, electricity etc)
Oh almost forgot, most people are in debt, so you'd also set aside money to clear your debts otherwise your credit score goes down
...and then maybe, just maybe, you were able to spare 100$ this moneth

[orchid iron]

Are GPU prices also about x1.5 more expensive?

[mighty cosmos]

yeah around 1.5-2x for gpus

GPUs are the worst offenders here

[orchid iron]

Yikes, so true, I was always wondering why Nvidia stuff is so overpriced here xD
Back where people were comparing 7900xtx and 5080 super saying that the 5080s was better in benchmark
Then I look at prices, and the 5080s was almost double 7900xtx xD

[unreal ledge]

you guys can not spared out 100 USD per month but can get the 35 - 40k USA car ?

what does insurance even necessary ? haha.. what if you just don't pay them ? 95 percent of population on earth don't have insurance !!

[wind egret]

Insurance is legally required.
Also, they probably can't spare out 100 USD per month because they bought a 60-90k USD car. Cars are often bought on credit, and the mean average cost for 2024 was $740 a month.

And companies have even been trying to get americans to buy PCs on credit, so that too can become a monthly cost.

[orchid iron]

That car is also one of the many reasons why people are in debt

[delicate crystal]

which thanks to comapnies demanidng people return to office, will be a requirement since public transit is crazy underfunded

[orchid iron]

Yup, sounds about right

[fresh fog]

Now this I'm interested in, because sapphire are my go-to

[fallen oasis]

My go to are whatever comes up £20 cheaper when I'm looking 😂

[median marsh]

you never had a shitty mainboard i guess 😄

but i guess computers got so fast that it often doesn't really show up...

[wise elbow]

they're all crap unless you buy the literal most expensive board

and most people gain nothing from anything but the cheapest that works

[orchid iron]

I hope they'll make higher end boards in the future, but also for most things, the B850 chipset is already plenty

[wise elbow]

b850 is a lot of board

even most b650e is a lot of board for the average person

[median marsh]

uhm i don't agree

there's a difference even in the mid range, if it's worth it depends on the customer i guess 🤷

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ckosqxjtg

Moral of the story, don't go on Reddit, unless for entrainment purposes

Which kinda scares me, because some AIs are trained on Reddit data

[median marsh]

would be funny if he had totally different RPMs on the fans and the BIOS just controlled the fans to keep those temps 😄

without RPM chart this test was useless, imho

[grave sundial]

Just test your fans with a hamster, honestly. If the fans are faster than the hamster, you're good to go. This is a universal truth.

🐹

[wise elbow]

did he test with an aio at all?

I feel like AIOs change the cooling so much that this really only ever applies to air cooled systems

[orchid iron]

he was replying to a reddit post, and the reddit post had an air cooler

[wise elbow]

Oh it's just to a reddit post

[orchid iron]

he had fixed fan speed, but reddit may have had BIOS controlled fans

[median marsh]

no, but he also pointed out that this doesn't apply to AIO cooled systems at all

[wise elbow]

Just skimmed through the video. Yeah not really surprised the performance isn't all that different

I would think that having fans close together with opposed flow would be much worse at low rpm though

Might be louder too

Though it could encourage mixing of coolant air

Heat transfer is tough lol

[unreal ledge]

What is the point of exposing the GPU die on a graphics card? What if dirt or Coca-Cola falls on top of it out of nowhere?

[wise elbow]

Probably heat dissipation

[unreal ledge]

what to do if something fall in to that spot, I just wipe isotope alcohol and it should be okay ?

[wise elbow]

Also I don't think that's the GPU die

[unreal ledge]

what does it called then ? the back of it ?

[wise elbow]

Dunno. But the GPU itself is soldered to the board and shouldn't be visible from behind

They look like capacitors

[unreal ledge]

yes, it didn't know what is that thing called as well, but it's the same positon as the gpu die so I just called it like that

[wise elbow]

Because they're exposed my guess is they are coated in a non conductive film but if you got liquid on it I would still wipe it down

Never turn your PC on if there's ANY liquids in it

I think I remember you saying you spilled something a few days ago?

Unless you live somewhere with absurdly high humidity, it's probably already dried and is fine

Soda is corrosive when liquid but likely not when dried. But humidity could make it corrode something. If there's still some visible stains wiping gently with a very small amount of isopropyl would remove it

[unreal ledge]

hahaha.. it didn't hit any electronic inside, there is cola water inside the case, I was lucky. almost having heart attack

[wise elbow]

Electronics are surprisingly resilient

I've spilled all sorts of stuff on my keyboard and it was fine after drying for a long time

Roommate in college spilled a whole Dr pepper into his PC case and it was fine another day later

[fallen oasis]

Keyboards are built to have stuff spilt on them.

[wise elbow]

It did not function after the spill

Had to dry

[fallen oasis]

Bad keyboard.

[wise elbow]

I mean when you spill a whole bowl of soup on one it's going to do something

[fallen oasis]

Mine would still would super well!

[wise elbow]

Souper!

[median marsh]

do NOT wipe over it

[unreal ledge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GueHhT1jV0

aliens !!

[wind egret]

alien hardware? alienware? Dell, what did you do!?

[grave sundial]

the missile's penetrator GPU caught 🔥 before it struck the UFO. No wonder it bounced off.

[wind egret]

It shattered the object into pieces. You can't tell if it's slowing down or falling because the tracking is that good.

[grave sundial]

The aliens were on green alert. They didn't assume they'd be shot at. Next time, they'll come in on yellow alert, for sure.

[orchid iron]

That's the back of the printed board, the GPU die is the other way and you can't see it

As stated previously it is to dissipate heat, but specifically on cheap models, otherwise that part would be covered completely on more expensive models, either because it generates too much heat or because it looks esthetically nicer

Putting liquids can short the GPU, but as long at it is cleaned, you don't have to worry

Also those capacitors are barely attached to the board, that's why you shouldn't wipe them, maybe use a cuetip at most with isopropyl

[mighty cosmos]

it's not really only on cheap boards, pretty much all 5090s don't have it covered, it's open even on the most expensive variants

it's mostly uncovered for aesthetic reasons and cooling, it's probably gonna be more common to have it covered on lower end cards that don't draw a full powerplant worth of power

[mighty cosmos]

On mine

[tardy turtle]

That's usually the power supply for the GPU, SMD components making up the power regulation and filtering (capacitors, resistors, inductors and transistors) - they make it as close to the GPU as possible to keep everything as noise free as possible.

[orchid iron]

Then all I gotta say is that, to me personally, that looks ugly
But also I would prefer if GPUs were like back in the day where whole PCB was exposed

https://youtu.be/93jk4Zho7YY?si=VZwRKqUrnpV0gJao

So many very annoying details in the founders edition (even excluding liquid metal)
He did reccomend Asus astral or zotac (because zotac has fuses next to power connector)

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Engn7IoX_w

[spice girder]

What do you thing is important in a mainboard? I'm building a AMD Ryzen 7 9700x build and I'm not shure what is important when looking at mainboard specs.

[median marsh]

that depends on the platform, and i'm not familiar with AM5

[orchid iron]

What you are looking for specs depends on what you seek to do.

Do you plan to have your ram speeds at 8000 MT/s?

Do you want lots of storage?

Is WiFi speed / ethernet speed important for you?

Do you want to overclock your CPU a lot when you get it?

What looks do you want? (Or do you not care)

And most importantly, what's your budget?

Btw, if you plan to have large capacity of ram for content creation, that kinda eliminates ram speeds because it is very tricky to get large quantity of ram working at high speeds

[spice girder]

I'm looking at 64 or 96gb 6000MT/s ram kits. So 8000mt/s support is not needed.

2x M.2 SSD slots are enough.

It should be dark in color (so no white or light gray).

Budget is around 250€ for the mainboard alone.

I have looked at MSI b650, b850 and x670e all tomahawk versions can get the msi x670e tomahawk between 230-250€.

[orchid iron]

Specs look solid, just make sure to install GPU and fastest SSD next to CPU for maximum bandwidth
Other SSDs that aren't as fast will get the bandwidth from the chipset

[median marsh]

and then it can get important which pci ex link the chipset uses

e.g. with b570 it is pciex 3.0 and with x570 pciex 4.0

but looks like they all use pci ex 4.0 on AM5 🤷

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2025/08/AMD-800-and-600-SERIES-AM5-CHIPSETS.jpg

[spice girder]

what does the usable pcie lanes 44/24 mean?

[orchid iron]

Means 44 different pcie lanes (can be what ever version) and 24 pcie 5.0 lanes
Doesn't really matter, the most important thing is the specs of the motherboard, because PCB makers have a lot of leeway on what they can do to make a product

24 pcie 5.0 lanes that come from CPU = 16 pcie 5.0 lanes for GPU, 4 pcie 5.0 lanes for super fast SSD, 4 pcie 5.0 lanes for chipset

Then chipset splits those 4 pcie 5 lanes that it has into many different lanes of different versions

[median marsh]

and after all there's a bottleneck of 4 lanes to the cpu anyways

so idk why they even bother to put pci ex 5.0 lanes on the chipset (if that's the case, might also be the 24 lanes from the CPU 🤷 )

[spice girder]

If USB 4 with Thunderbolt support is available, to my knowledge it also requires PCIe lanes. (Thunderbolt support for USB 4 is optional.)

[orchid iron]

What would you use thunderbolt for?

If you want file transfer, usb 4 port as is can provide plenty of bandwidth

[spice girder]

usb 4 has thunderbolt as optional spec. and there are mainboard with usb4 with thunderbolt support. It isn't called thunderbolt, but practically the same thing

[orchid iron]

Understood, also why are you interested in it if you don't mind me asking?

[fallen oasis]

I think it's great I can do good quality monitor signal via USB.

[wise elbow]

most b650e will be sufficient then

if you want more io, x670e will have it

I think some x670e boards even have USB 4 but it isn't standard

the only boards that might not have sufficient power delivery (for CPUs bigger than yours) are low end b650e

but for 250 euro I imagine you can get a very nice board

I have a few friends with the x670e tomahawk and they've had no issues

make sure whatever memory you get is on the QVL if you get a 96gb kit. In my experience, the memory controller on AMD CPUs is really finicky

[wise elbow]

it's usually how much power it's rated to deliver

I have an Asus x670e-a and while it has mostly everything I wanted, I had a lot of issues with my memory on it

But a 9700x will basically run on anything...

[wise elbow]

I don't think it'll take any extra lands. USB4 support on x870 already "stole" some lanes which result in your GPU lanes getting split if you use more than 2 m.2 drives on most boards

[orchid iron]

No?
Filling out all m.2 slots might at most disable sata connection, and even reduce bandwidth of all connections to the chipset

But lanes dedicated to GPU will not be affected

Same with the 4 lanes dedicated to that one single m.2 slot

You might have some really "original" board that offer 8 pcie 5.0 lanes for the GPU but more than one m.2 slot that uses direct CPU bandwidth pcie lanes, but I haven't seen them

[wise elbow]

i am almost more than positive than on most x870 and x870e boards that using more than 2 m.2 drives with split the main PCIe5 slot for GPUs from 16 to 8 lanes

msi x870e carbon for example

depends on the board

if you dont care about pcie5 m.2 then it doesnt matter as much (you wont see any difference between pcie4 and 5 for most cases)

but makes me wonder why they even put it on the board when it could potentially cripple bandwidth

[median marsh]

gen5 x8 should be fine even for a 5090

what may get more bothering is that, on this layout, the m2_3 and m2_4 share the bandwidth between cpu and chipset (with everything else on those chipsets, which is likely audio, network, more usb hosts, ...)

[orchid iron]

I haven't come across this diagram, I'm guessing I was lucky enough to not see this traumatizing design, who tf thought it was a good idea

[median marsh]

seems to be common, Asus does it, too

[orchid iron]

Then maybe ASRock is the only one that doesn't do it? Never seen it in their specs

[median marsh]

or they don't really communicate the board layout!?

what bothers me more is that the MSI board doesn't have a config for 2 x16 slots having 8 lanes each 😄

[median marsh]

yea they only have one M2 port on the CPU

all others are on the chipset

and the slots can either be 1x x16 or 2x x8

so it's just simpler, not necessary better

[orchid iron]

That's why I was so confused about the MSI thing

[wise elbow]

it just varies by board

[wise elbow]

yeah, i dont think a single asrock board splits the gpu with 2 m.2

pretty sure every asus board does, gigabyte too (i think), and a few of the MSI

[orchid iron]

That's why I was so confused, since most of the Mobo manuals I read are from ASRock

[wise elbow]

normal market cpus really just dont have enough lanes for the feature set of x870/e

its probably the biggest reason to jump to something like a threadripper or xeon

[orchid iron]

Yeah, about time we got more lanes

[wise elbow]

am6 and new intels will probably have more

though there isnt too much of a reason to have more for majority of cases

[orchid iron]

Pcie 6, same lane amount, it'll just be pcie 6 instead xD

[median marsh]

with a good chipset those layouts wouldn't be a thing 😛

[wise elbow]

usb4 and wifi being on every mobo now really strained it

[median marsh]

could split 4x pci ex 5.0 from chipset into 16x 8x 4.0

[orchid iron]

You mean 8x

[median marsh]

not sure if the chipset is the issue here or if the cpu just got pci ex 4.0 for the chipset

[wise elbow]

its the cpu and the requirements by the chipsets

newer chipsets mandage pcie5x16 and a pcie5x4 for m.2 direct to cpu

mandate*

[orchid iron]

Motherboard partners are usually the ones who end up holding the bags of basically everyone, WiFi, pcie, ram, usb, etc

[mighty patrol]

Getting close!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8zksNUpfkE

[orchid iron]

Pog

[unreal ledge]

how often do you replace your working computer ? Like when every game being shipped ?

[mighty patrol]

Every 5ish years seems like a good time no?

[mighty cosmos]

I don't replace it, I gradually upgrade it

[somber surge]

Still rocking a 2017 computer....Which has basically no more parts from the original computer x)

I think I've got a few cable extensions that are from the original build

[feral cypress]

Yall is a 9900x a good performer in Unreal or gaming?
Like can it handle most games at 1080 or 1440p at 60+ FPS on medium to high settings and run Unreal smoothly?

Bc im trying to build a full AMD build as my first PC to run unreal and gaming for around $1500 and i cant find an inbetween for 9900x and 9950x

I have the GPU choice locked to 9060xt 16gb

[somber surge]

It depends what do you prioritize over the other, if you want to do more gaming, a 7800X3D/9800X3D/9700X will be better, while being still very performant for UE
If you want to do a majority of work on UE, the 9900X is a good choice as you'll have still good gaming performances while having a much faster cpu for UE

[orchid iron]

Check prices for
7950x
7950x3d
9900x
9950x
In your region
Because if you can get a 7950x instead of 9900x for around same price, go for it, 4 extra cores are quite nice, plus main difference between 7000 and 9000 series is just the 3d vcache models, the normal variants are extremely similar in performance

[opaque pond]

5 lol

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/qsElplIvUfo?si=9nWRofl4thE8gU1L

Besides User benchmark, he is top tier biased towards intel, but I love watching him, either to notice small details and cracks to take into consideration when buying amd, or to have a fun time witnessing high amounts of copium

But I'm not trusting him to give an honest review of an intel processor xD

[median marsh]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/nvidia-and-intel-announce-jointly-developed-intel-x86-rtx-socs-for-pcs-with-nvidia-graphics-also-custom-nvidia-data-center-x86-processors-nvidia-buys-usd5-billion-in-intel-stock-in-seismic-deal oh boy...

https://tenor.com/view/candle-ice-water-flow-flame-fire-gif-16879746

[orchid iron]

When new intel CEO said that intel would rise again and it'll be remembered in business books, I believed him

But I didn't believe it would be with the help of such greedy people

[mellow galleon]

details on issues with top asus laptops
https://github.com/Zephkek/Asus-ROG-Aml-Deep-Dive

[orchid iron]

Reminds me of the guy who found an exploit to gain ring -2 perms in all Asus motherboards using armory crate feature

Incredibly detailed

And the billion dollar company just put his name on a virtual hoard somewhere people won't find normally

[somber surge]

Rip Intel Arc

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=76dSMkqRCcw#

Arc will very likely stay alive, it has to, the CPU part of their upcoming laptops depends on it for graphical output

As for the dGPU, probably still be around for niche AI and workstations

Nvidia X media tech though, that relationship will be no so good now

[somber surge]

Well..if they are making those in collab with Nvidia, there is no point for them to spend so much money on R&D, software and production if they can just plug a much better chip right away in their designs...So effectively there is no need for them to keep spending money on Arc

With that collab: they get money and they get better graphics chips, not sure what would be the incentive to keep Arc around (especially with the new CEO that doesn't seem to like anything R&D and long term investment)

Hopefully not, but you'd have to be realistic judging by all the recent events at Intel

[delicate crystal]

Anyone ever have their ups start beeping like crazy when you attempt to do a lighting build, thrn shut off aftet 15 seconds. Worked finr until thrn

[median marsh]

sounds like you tripped the overcurrent protection

is that an online/inline UPS?

[delicate crystal]

Its not connected to the internet st all fwiw

[orchid iron]

Just watched a MSID leak after the news, celestial is basically last graphics they'll support, then at the earliest Nvidia graphics tiles with be the standard that way they won't be scared of intel stealing their stuff because they won't be competing in that part of the market anymore, really sad stuff

[orchid iron]

Look up what is an online interactive ups

[delicate crystal]

So learned that if I'm doing any long builds, I may have to consider re-wiring the office. If I'm doing the math right, sustained draw would be around 900-1000 watts. On 5-15 wiring, that's when you start to enter the danger zone of wiring beginning to heat up., Add the wiring is 70 years old and you can see where thi sis going

[wise elbow]

what CPUs are you using that's drawing almost 1kw?

[median marsh]

AMD K2 😄 or was it the first Athlon which was considered so power hungry.... 🤷

[orchid iron]

There was also the FX series

[median marsh]

1kW would be like 3 threadrippers

[orchid iron]

Wiring should of been changed decades ago, better late than never, if your UPS wasn't the one being noisy, your PSU would of been coil whining so hard

[orchid iron]

Depending on the user and the CPU , maybe just 1 threadripper

[wise elbow]

also ideally whatever fuse is connected to that room should trip if you are drawing more power than what is safe

[median marsh]

i rather feel like the UPS is undersized 🤷

[orchid iron]

Don't fuses lose their function if they are really old?

[median marsh]

no?! especially not old ones which aren't automatic

[wise elbow]

well, their resistance and trip point might shift some

but you'd really have to pull power for a long time to reach dangerous temps with wire

[orchid iron]

When I looked up which over current protection power strip would be good, someone noted old ones aren't as good due to their age or something like that, I may have misunderstood

[wise elbow]

old fuses take comparatively longer to trip than some newer designs

iirc

also just looking at it, 5-15 wire seems to be safe for almost double 1kw

[orchid iron]

Maybe that's what they were referring to

[wise elbow]

prolly why a standard fuse trips around the same point

havent seen the place you live but you're safe until around 1800W, where you would hope to pop a fuse

not an EE but im also almost positive theres GENEROUS safety margins built into that to account for bad installs, hot days, etc

[delicate crystal]

Sorry for tge delay. Threadripper 9960x

Has an nvidia 5060 vcard

[delicate crystal]

Same. I dont understand electrical things at all. Just ttying to not burn my partners house downas shes already anxious

[delicate crystal]

Its curently rated for 900w, apc

[wise elbow]

no way you're pulling 1kw with that setup

[median marsh]

which model?

[delicate crystal]

Apc

[median marsh]

good that they only have one

[delicate crystal]

No idea. All i knownis at full build it overloads a 900w

[delicate crystal]

Oh shoot sorry. Tge one i have is an apc 900w. Not sure exaft, not at home

[median marsh]

that system draws max 600W

is it this?

[orchid iron]

Try to power cap the computer until it doesn't get overloaded

And also remove anything from it besides computer so you can find overloading point of that unit

If it is way too low, this unit might be defective

If it is a bit low, maybe the unit has a lot of strain from dirty electricity to handle

Maybe both

[delicate crystal]

No it doesnt have an led screen. Think its named so.etjing back-up 900 or something luke thst. Outleys are on the top

[wise elbow]

unit must be bad then

[delicate crystal]

Will give thst a try. I k ow its about four or five years old.

[wise elbow]

I think the batteries in them need replaced every so often if you use it heavily

[median marsh]

most 900 named things are around 500-600W

so i would doublecheck the manual/technical specs of your UPS, as i still think that the best explanation is that you exceeded the UPS limits

[delicate crystal]

That would make a lot more sense. Will give the adbicea try, read up, more then lukely its overloaded and a bit worn out, but mot drawjng as much as i think it is

[orchid iron]

As plinyvic said, batteries need to be changed around 3-5 years, so if there weren't changed, that might be the culprit

[tribal ruin]

Do you have lot of power cuts in your region?

[delicate crystal]

Thankfully no, but theyndo occur, especislly in winter

[orchid iron]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-launches-epyc-4005-embedded-zen5-cpus-for-am5-socket?__cf_chl_rt_tk=lz1ryld8npf_4tppx3tpkt.22jmr_5sbrodtnljcnqc-1758463593-1.0.1.1-j1.dzjljmjhavfsamz9wmgqpbuds1k0twmiys0nzpvg

28 pcie lanes

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/epyc-4245p.c4177

250$ for so many lanes wow

[orchid iron]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-responds-to-2021-2025-rog-laptop-stutter-complaints-launches-investigation

[mellow galleon]

just 2021? the top laptops of 2018 have same issue as well 😄 but i think thats related to those who upgrade firmware

25/100ms sleep in interrupt handler lol

[orchid iron]

Usual big company behaviour

[agile lodge]

https://45drivesstudio.com/hardware/storage-servers/silent-studio-server

[wise elbow]

thats the same as am5

[orchid iron]

no, am5 usually has 16+4+4, this has 28 (chipset included)

[wise elbow]

are you sure? these are just am5 epycs

the main point of these is that they have features from the actual epyc cpus but the same socket and price as ryzen

i actually have no idea what the difference is with these cpus

ryzen apparently supports ECC already?

[somber surge]

Pretty sure it's 16+8+4 for AM5 with Ryzen, so that would be the same as for those EPYC

The only advantage of those cpus is likely support

[wise elbow]

probably

similar to nvidia quadros mostly

[somber surge]

Pro stuff usually has much better software and hardware support from the company directly

Looking at Techpowerup, they seem to have a lower msrp than desktop Ryzen even 🤣

[wise elbow]

might just be adjusted for current ryzen costs

i dont think any ryzen sells for greater or equal to msrp atm

[orchid iron]

Nope, it is 24 lanes, not 28

[wise elbow]

im like 100% positive my 9950x3d has 28 pcie lanes

[median marsh]

yea, looks like zen5 has 4 more

tho most boards waste it for usb4 likely?!

[wise elbow]

i think every zen5 board has 4 lanes that always go to the chipset

[median marsh]

pretty much every board has

[wise elbow]

i would be shocked if its any different for these epyc cpus since they are just zen5

[orchid iron]

Oh, maybe zen4 has 4 less lanes than zen5 yeah, didn't notice

[somber surge]

They all have 28 lanes, 7950X on AMD website:

You can also find it in multiple presentations from Zen 4 release marketing

[median marsh]

zen3 has 24

so guess that sticked

[orchid iron]

Okay, guess I misremembered pcie lane amount in general since I never seen 2 m.2 slot with direct connection to CPU

[somber surge]

Pretty sure trace length and space on the pcb is also a factor, it's pretty hard to get anything connected to the cpu from below the first x16 pcie slot

[median marsh]

i still think it's weird that they didn't reserve 4x pci gen5 for the chipset 🤔

[median marsh]

i feel like they know how to handle that....

[somber surge]

No the same price of mobo though

[median marsh]

but >4x the lane count...

[somber surge]

I didn't say you can't, just that it's hard :p

[median marsh]

eh, i guess they just add a layer

[somber surge]

And hard = expensive

Adding a layer to the whole board just to connect a second nvme that could be connected through the chipset...I can see why they don't do it

[median marsh]

i meant for the threadrippers 😄

[somber surge]

Oh I mean for those cost is pretty much a non-issue

[median marsh]

for consumer boards they would rather hook it up to the chipset instead of adding a layer (if it was really necessary)

and then only the top tier boards had the 2nd slot on the cpu

most people won't notice much of a difference either ways

[somber surge]

I would love to have a mobo with like 6-8 gen 4 nvme that split the gen 5 lanes :p

[median marsh]

well there are some gen5 nvmes which only need 2 lanes

so with a pciex card you could have 4 of them while still having 8 lanes for the GPU 🤷

given that's theoretical, not sure if a card exists to support exactly that