hardware

[orchid iron]

Oof

[mighty cosmos]

but anyone getting a 5090 for gaming must be stupid

[orchid iron]

Or have too much money

[grave sundial]

Of course, now the Strix laptops DO have that shared memory functionality. The flexibility is nice to have.

[somber surge]

It's not since the 5080 is 💩

[grave sundial]

or have lots of disposable income and don't know what to do with it.

There are quite a few people like that, now.

[somber surge]

If you want a maxed-out 4K experience in all games you need more than 16GB of vram

[orchid iron]

I remember when Nvidia reps told GPU manufacturers that 70 class GPUs were highest gamers would need

[grave sundial]

Disclaimer: At the time.

Disclaimer 2: Marketing always evolves.

[somber surge]

Well maybe back then when the 80s were not that much faster yeah

[grave sundial]

Disclaimer 3: We will say whatever we want.

[orchid iron]

Right before 50 series launch

[somber surge]

I mean those are the same guys that said 8GB is fine for everything

[orchid iron]

Probably yeah

[somber surge]

Right after they launched a new AI software that requires a 12GB gpu, that was hilarious to watch

[mighty cosmos]

Or if you play VR with high end headsets that render at like 5100x4312 per eye 😆
5090 is the first card you can actually max things out with on those headsets

[grave sundial]

There was a nice VR set with that kind of resolution, which I was following for awhile.

They sadly disappeared from the market.

[somber surge]

Yeah... I won't blame people for having money to spend on their hobby, I'll just blame Nvidia for making every other gpu trash tier.
With them it's either you get the fat good no compromises gpu, or you get screwed

[grave sundial]

OR they merged with another project, I am not sure.

[somber surge]

And even the 5090 is not "no compromises" if you consider it can catch on fire at any time 🤣

[grave sundial]

🔥 is fine.

With climate change, you never know when your room will get too cold and need that fire.

Besides, it's fine. That's what you can expect with explosive performance.

[somber surge]

Nvidia saving the planet by removing the need for heaters

🤣

[grave sundial]

Indeed. Burn rubber, as they used to say.
Burn silicon, now.

There was something about AMD's PRO card yesterday.

[mighty cosmos]

it's basically Pimax (Crystal light or Super) or Bigscreen Beyond (v2) these days, they are the big ones pushing PCVR

until valve decides to wake up again

[grave sundial]

Yeah. I checked two weeks ago. But, I was sad to see the hardware I was rooting for peter out.

[grave sundial]

Yes, it was about the Radeon AI PRO R9700.
They updated the card's PCB. It comes with 32GB DDR6 RAM, but yeah, costly as heck.

[mighty cosmos]

tho I highly doubt the next VR headset from valve will attempt to compete in that segment, it's likely gonna target the consumer level and not the enthusiast level pimax and bigscreen target

[mighty cosmos]

gddr6 is a bit dissapointing tbh

[grave sundial]

Ah, it's $1,244.00.

and apparently, out of stock. 🤣

Well, regardless of what either AMD or NVidia do, anything they release will cost more here, because of import duties.

I hope we manufacture GPUs here soon, indigenous or otherwise.

[mighty cosmos]

gobbled up for ML probably lol

[grave sundial]

--- The first made-in-India graphics processing units, or GPUs, are expected to be ready for technology demonstrations by the end of this year ---

Production by 2029, apparently.

le sigh

[grave sundial]

With AI gobbling up all the GPUs, I think it should at least be able to 3D print me a GPU at some point for free.

[somber surge]

Well...GPUs are technically 3D Printed....just in 500M dollars machines surrounded with billions of dollar of equipment... 🤣

Especially for High-NA EUV machines, those are getting spicy

[grave sundial]

I have it on good authority that the Lemmings are responsibly for hand-crafting GPUs.

For whoever remembers.

[median marsh]

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-ai-pro-r9700-32-gb-gpu-listed-pricing-around-1250-half-price-nvidia-rtx-pro-blackwell-24-gb/

they kinda fucked it up again 😄

for a 9070XT with 32GB this is too expensive

[somber surge]

Twice the vram...twice the price... seems about right

[median marsh]

guess they think they are NVidia

[somber surge]

Nvidia -90% market share

[median marsh]

they ignore that there are rumors about 5070TI Super with 24GB

which is what people are going to wait for, rather than buying AMD for the same price

even if it's 8GB less VRAM

[somber surge]

Depends on the price

If it's 1000$ for basically 5080 performances with 24GB, and if since then the 9070XT is back at msrp, they are very different class of gpus

[median marsh]

i expect it to be ~1k USD

[somber surge]

Yeah in which case the 9070XT is just fine

Not much slower, a bit less vram for 60% the price

[median marsh]

that depends on your requirements 🤷

nvidia has 8GB more vram, DLSS4, cuda, ...

[somber surge]

If you have 1K to spend on a gpu you aren't even considering the 9070XT to start with

So that's a non-argument

[median marsh]

tho this is all around speculated prices 😄

and 9070XT is at MSRP here in EU

MSRP is 690€ here, 8 cards are below that here

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/vsBQroE4tk8?si=8OUpSg5153p3ku5l

Man, how unfortunate that Linux can't handle 1.5TB of Vram, time to go back to windows 69

[fallen oasis]

Being mostly the "server" OS, it really should be better at large VRAM.

[median marsh]

fck

no more hibernate for that poor super cluster

[orchid iron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/preppers/comments/op3nfi/are_faraday_cages_actually_powerful_enough_to/

[fallen oasis]

I would say not

[wise elbow]

I'm pretty sure they are if properly built but surprisingly building a perfect metal cage that you can actually access is tough and expensive

[median marsh]

reddit is it's own microverse...

You need wires for a current to be induced. The longer the wire the greater the current.

both sentences are the absolute opposite of the truth 😄

or my microwave secretly puts, some really long, cables into my food to heat it up

[orchid iron]

Wtf are those two sentences

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5sKMzSClCkQ&pp=ygUjaG93IGRvZXMgYSBzZXJ2ZXIgNGsgcnBtIHNvdW5kIGxpa2U%3D

This channel has been too quiet, here is something loud

[wise elbow]

god every comment on that thread is retarded

[ashen stream]

So Nintendo can reverse the bans?

[orchid iron]

Depends, if it is the "brick the device you own" ban, then probably not

[delicate crystal]

Ugh installed a new hard drive, now getting c5 errors and wont post. Tokd either memory or bios is fucked.

[delicate crystal]

Aoynds like .y server when i fire it up

[ashen stream]

Well they reversed it though yeah, for people who proved they had brought bootleg copies?

[delicate crystal]

So found my computer now boots....if its lying down

[orchid iron]

Loose connection that was previously shorting out?

[delicate crystal]

Maybe. Im aure being movdd fof the first time in years and having thendust blown out didnt hurt. Thred of the memory sticks are inaccessible (two by the cpu cooler, one by cables), so.glad.it worked.

[orchid iron]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-threadripper-9000-preorders-start-july-23-96-core-pro-9995wx-listed-at-13000

Espect zen5% again xD

[grave sundial]

How much?

[fallen oasis]

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

[orchid iron]

from 5-30% more expensive than zen4 counter part

[somber surge]

For 5-30% more performances? Monopoly isn't doing anyone favors eh :p

[grave sundial]

That's.... not bad actually @orchid iron .

I'd be happy with that 9960X.

[somber surge]

Is that the price or performance difference?

[wise elbow]

assuming you'll even be able to find one

it was still tough to find a 7000 thread ripper, much less coolers and other components (for normal market)

9970x is the only one worth getting imo unless you really benefit from the quad channel memory and ECC. it's a lot more expensive than a 9950x but only has 8 more cores

(9960x only has 8 more I mean)

[grave sundial]

both. The price is on the left. Whatever they are comparing against on the right.

[grave sundial]

That's okay. There are neighbours we can get rid of and appropriate hardware from.

Totally legit.

[somber surge]

So the percentage increase is both price and performance? They are increasing price as much as the increase in perfs? 🤣

[grave sundial]

I think the percentage is just applicable to the hardware they are comparing it to. 🤷

[orchid iron]

you just need to wait until 2027 to get 24 cores with boost over 7GHz for like probably 30% discount

[grave sundial]

Or, I can raise the pitchforks and light the torches!

RAID time!

[orchid iron]

true

they already reached 6.4GHz clocks on sample models

[delicate crystal]

Seeing ny local store has them for.order. same prixe as their 7000 counterparts

9950x (tge 24 core one) is about 2k cad

[mighty patrol]

What?

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00133014

Found a 9950x3d for under 1k

[delicate crystal]

My bad. 9960x is what i mea t

https://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=60058027

[mighty patrol]

That makes more sense

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/6DUSD4ZU3XM?si=AbvD_RG_DpZp0Ww-

[mighty patrol]

Don't do it!

[median marsh]

it could be 100% safe depending on how it's implemented

could flash the data to a reserved area, then tell the bios to copy it over on next restart 🤷

[mighty patrol]

If it's an MSI mobo it may just fail mid ipdate 🤣

[grave sundial]

That's been around awhile, I think.

MSI has that facility in its software.

[mighty patrol]

Yeah and it's buggy af

I had to manually install bios update or risk black screen.

[grave sundial]

When I updated my BIOS, it was during my new PC's first startup. I used the flash port and updated from BIOS itself.

smooth as 🧈

[mighty patrol]

Yeah I haven't had any issues using usb method

[grave sundial]

I demand wireless bios-ing.

By simply waving my hand and scrunching my fingers, I should be able to command my BIOS to update itself.

[grave sundial]

A new doodad, which I hope to put INSIDE the computer cabinet.

When you look at the moon there, remember to break into song:
Arabian Nights! 🎶
Arabian Moon! 🎶

[mighty cosmos]

oh have that exact same thing

but it's just on my table

[grave sundial]

Cool!
Also, MY MOON! MINE! PRECIOUS!!!!!

I am going through my Fractal Torrent manual now, figuring out how to put it INSIDE the case.

[grave sundial]

Done.
There's a very convenient slot over there, where you see the wire going through the case's floor. The usb cable was able to slip through that slot. 😄

[orchid iron]

Has a nice cozy vibe to it

[grave sundial]

Now, I will pray to Luna that she doesn't move her body around with the tides.

[grave sundial]

Night time shot!

It's slightly dimmer than in the photo... just slightly.

[orchid iron]

Turn off HDR for a more realistic photo

But looks great

[grave sundial]

Lemme see.

[orchid iron]

But I think that astronaut figure would give me anxiety, since I would be afraid of it just falling in the fan blades

[grave sundial]

Turning HDR off doesn't seem to do much. I think the bright light over-brightens the image.

The astronaut won't fall. It's deceptively heavy.

And the base it's sitting on is pretty wide.

[orchid iron]

I see

[grave sundial]

Now, all that's required is an endless supply of nitro vapour.

And hovering ships.

[upbeat trout]

just built, AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D. So far loving it!

[fallen oasis]

I got the 9955x3d, also loving it!

[orchid iron]

What case is that?

[upbeat trout]

it's a Corsair FRAME 4000D RS ARGB

[mighty patrol]

Is that a Belkin charger spotted 😮

[upbeat trout]

lol... yup for the iphone. i'd figure i would get more questions about The Main in the High Castle signed poster

[grave sundial]

Belkin is nice. I have two Belkin powerstrips.

[wise elbow]

i've been pretty happy with my 9950x3d

havent seen much need to use project lasso or gamebar; performance is the same when not using it

[wise elbow]

odd

[orchid iron]

Nice nickname

[royal oriole]

Thx lol

[orchid iron]

I'd be quite happy if the 6090 ti would have at least 64gb of vram, but it would also probably cost 6k$

just so the marketing name matches the price xD

[somber surge]

You could have 66GB over a 352bits bus with 3GB chips

Though yeah, at this point I wouldn't expect any future XX90 gpu to be under 3K$

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TGjrZdtgF04#bottom-sheet

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZwOW79wqYeU

[orchid iron]

So much solder remains on his hands jeez, worked for a while

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sP3jH2PdRgY

[fallen oasis]

That seems pretty half baked.

[grave sundial]

It's puffy and fluffy, too.

[orchid iron]

the question is, how do they smell?

[grave sundial]

yeast-y.

[verbal imp]

I've been waiting for so long to fix some redirectors

and right now im deleting some empty folder, its 100% but I keep on waiting

then I look into my pc specs to see whats bottlenecking

and I see even cpu is not that bad at 42%

this is my build

AMD Ryzen 3
32.0GB Dual-Channel
8192MB ATI Radeon RX 590 Series

so what's the problem? is it hardware related?

[plush turret]

would a remote hosted windows server also work sort of like a VPN?

like if you dialed into it?

[orchid iron]

It is your CPU, I'm assuming it is a quad core since you say it is Ryzen 3
Quite a few operations like deleting folders, are single threaded, so it depends how good 1 core of yours is

You can check the usage % of individual cores to check that theory out

[orchid iron]

In theory, a server on which you use to redirect your online traffic is a VPN, so yeah, but I have no idea how you'd make that work

[median marsh]

https://www.amd.com/en/blogs/2025/amd-radeon-ai-pro-r9700-to-be-available-in-workstation.html

apparently they don't sell the cards yet, and you can only get them in workstations...

do they get promotions at AMD if they come up with stupid ideas how to make a product launch worse?!

nvidia should take that chance and take this chart and make a version comparing R9700 vs 5080 Super 24GB if they really release it in Q4 😄

[orchid iron]

Feels like a niche product that will become obsolete very soon by new AMD product launches

[median marsh]

i do not understand this company, and it feels like they screw up their GPU business on purpose

there seem to be reliable leaks about more 24GB cards from NVidia which will blow the R9700 in most cases, and AMD decides to delay the launch of their card even further 😄

pulling of an chart for a Pro card comparing it against a consumer card is already weird to begin with, could've used aswell a RTX pro card and compare $ performance, but maybe the RTX card would win this, too 😄

[grave sundial]

It reminds me of Japanese businesses, and every conservative business in India.

When the executives' vision is clouded and narrow, they miss opportunities, even if they're handed to them on a plate, with a big bullseye and a HIT ME NAOW! sign.

It also happens when your nature is focussed entirely on one thing alone, like their AI CPUs in mini-PCs. You miss the forest for the trees.

[orchid iron]

The pro cards aren't aimed at normal consumers

Although AMD didn't think the 50 series launch would be so bad, but in the end their own cards broke a few personal records so investors are happy

Right now they are aiming to beat the 5080 using a slightly tuned up 9070xt die, so thats probably why it showed up in the charts

Honestly an overclocked 9070xt with 32gb of gddr7 could have a solid shot against 5080/5080super

But UDNA is where they'll be making big bets, hopefully it'll be a Ryzen moment for them (or at least UDNA 2)

[wise elbow]

Yeah other than any traffic leaving that server to the Internet would be instantly traced back to your server and then to you because you own it

[wise elbow]

Especially considering the piss poor support Rocm has on windows

[plush turret]

tbh not looking to proxy super illegal stuff, just the sort of thing the ISP's have auto detectors for

Arrg

[wise elbow]

I don't judge

I still think you're going to be better off with a VPN through some reliable service

[orchid iron]

Reminder that VPNs don't make money from just a subscription ^^

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K4542wtX8B4

[mighty cosmos]

AMD at it again with legal manipulation
It's basically only faster because the entire model fits in 32GB and not because R9700 is faster
It's because a good chunk of the model is offloaded to the CPU on the 5080

[orchid iron]

Advanced Marketing Department has struck yet again!

[mighty cosmos]

and they chose the highest possible quat that fits on 32GB to run to have the 5080 offload as much as possible which makes the gap wider

[somber surge]

I mean...they very clearly state the 32GB requirement, it's a fair comparison imo...they won't compare their GPU with a 5090 that cost double, makes no sense.
If Nvidia skimped on VRAM that's not AMD's faults

Nvidia is always basically lying on all their marketing slides, especially for AI so...

[median marsh]

also i wonder where those LLMs are supposed to be used in professional environments

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1sUlsc0MyWk?si=zdnhnzE-R6ts1_mD

Solid ad for their company xD

Gets both fanboys triggered

[wise elbow]

how much is that card supposed to cost? have they released any benchmarks?

[median marsh]

according to some "leaks" $1250

when it's available for purchase, which will be likely close to nvidia announcing the super cards officially

[wise elbow]

very skeptical until I see actual hardware

[orchid iron]

The pro Radeon thing?

Wow, that's cheaper than I expected

The Radeon pro of the 7900xtx was like 2-3k for just 48gb of Vram xD

[median marsh]

guess they want to sell more than 10 cards this time...

[orchid iron]

True that

[median marsh]

i think it's pretty expensive tbh

it's just a 9070XT with twice the vram, and twice the price

while the extra vram is probably ~100 bucks material

[orchid iron]

The good old days where titan cards which were considered overkill costed 1k$

[orchid iron]

Just wait until UDNA Vs 60 series of Nvidia xD
3k$ flagship Vs 4k$ flagship xD

And their pro variants:
12k$ Vs 17k$ because they have 32gb more Vram

[median marsh]

and there are companies here which have W7800 32GB in stock and really want $2500 still

i guess that stock gonna be a total loss with their mindset

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xuUM84dvxcY

Normal people:"no need to reinvent the wheel"
Engineers:"This wheel offers x10 friction which increases engine efficiency by 5"

[mighty cosmos]

It's not really a fair comparison, this comparison is mostly comparing a gpu with a fully loaded model against a model mostly running on a CPU (offloaded) and they are making it seem like it's because the GPU is faster

It's very manipulatory

It would be fair if it included examples of smaller models that fit on both

Which tells you the actual performance of the card, this basically tells you nothing except that the model fits

Nvidia and AMD are at this point competing who can make more misleading benchmarks

[somber surge]

Well, too bad for Nvidia, they should have not skimped on vram on a 1200-1600$ gpu

It's the same thing for gaming gpus, you bet they will compare the 9060XT 16GB to the 5060Ti 8GB since that trash gpu cost more

[mighty cosmos]

I'm not defending Nvidia lol
Just wasn't expecting as shitty as this marketing from AMD

[somber surge]

Then sure, if that's entirely the only bench they provided, it just doesn't tell anything about the gpu

But that comparison in itself is perfectly fair

[somber surge]

AMD has been almost worse than Nvidia for a while on marketing, Nvidia became truly terrible since they introduced Frame Gen

But you just have to remember RDNA 3....completely misleading marketing, Zen 5 as well

[mighty cosmos]

This comparison is awful, they should have included different model sizes, that would actually give you the idea of the actual gpu performance, this is basically comparing a GPU against a CPU

But yeah it's been going downhill for a while now

[orchid iron]

It has been a while since first party benchmarks don't matter

Remember those "new" am4 CPUs where they wrote the 5800T was performing same as a 13700k or smth, but the GPU they used was a rx 6600
So when hardware unboxed performed the test it also showed the 7800x3d also performing the same, which really showed just how much the test was bottlenecked by the GPU

[somber surge]

RDNA4 benchmarks were very good though

[wise elbow]

they had nothing to hide

[somber surge]

Good compilation of games and applications, clear guidelines for the tests, accurate datas

[orchid iron]

That's the thing with marketing, if the product is good, they'll let the product speak for itself
If the product is bad, they'll BIAS the results with bs benchmarks

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uLsykckkoZU

Finally 60 class is 12gb

Also, Moore's law made a typo and wrote "RX 10090 XT", but he meant "RX 10090 XTX"

But I don't like how they are doing the Nvidia strategy of making flagship "double" of the previous class

[median marsh]

that doesn't look like much of a improvement if the 10070 is going to be like 9070...

so i guess the 5080/5090 market is just too small to even bother right now 🤷

[somber surge]

If it is indeed <550$ for the third SKU, there will be a MASSIVE gap between that and the top die

A true "9070XT" successor for like 650-700 with 5090 performances and 24GB would be a killer product

Though I doubt it can get +30% performance with just a few more CUs

They really need some more options to make those "intermediate" CU counts, they have the same problem with the 9070XT/9060XT..

[orchid iron]

It is estimated 120% of a 4080, so in-between 5080 and 4090
So not 5090 performance

[somber surge]

Yeah I meant a card higher than the 10070XT he described here

Because if that leak is true, the 10070XT would be <550 and the next tier up would be probably around 1.5K...that leave a huge gap empty

[orchid iron]

True, but also, not many people would have the money specifically in the range of 800-1400$ compared to other ranges

[median marsh]

the gap between 5080 and 5090 is >$1k

[orchid iron]

Even the 5080 super will be around 1.5k$ so if AMD makes a 10080xt, it'll fit right in to compete with it

https://youtube.com/shorts/GOVVQDPsZKc?si=aevjF6FlARPO70vm

The satisfaction I got when I saw this

[median marsh]

the AMD cards are expected for 2027, doubt that a 5080 super is still >1k then

[orchid iron]

When I bought my 7900xtx on black Friday, the 4080 super was over 1.5k € still

[somber surge]

Yeah but...

There is a large market between 550 and 1000$

And with those configurations, AMD would have pretty much nothing to offer on those ranges

Unless they highly cutdown their top die which would not make a lot of sense economically

[orchid iron]

Bro, I trust that msrp as much as the 9070xt's msrp

[somber surge]

It's fairly in line with what I would expect, they can sell the 9070 non-XT for 550$ and it isn't that far from the 5080, so a card from a new gen being just 30-35% faster and costing <550 is very possible. Especially since they are using that same die for lower end gpus which means it doesn't cost as much as N44 to make

It's probably quite a bit smaller than N44 actually since it's just 192 bits max

[orchid iron]

Possible, but board partner probably gonna be like:

[somber surge]

Memory wise it will likely be around the same cost since it's 6 chips instead of 8 chips, and GDDR7 will likely come down in price by the time RDNA5 releases

[somber surge]

I mean, at launch yeah but the cards are definitely drifting down to msrp slowly but surely

Maybe not in the US but you'd have to thanks Trump for that.

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bnpoAIfUWIk&pp=ygUZQWNlciBwcmVkYXRvciBsYXB0b3AgMTA4MA%3D%3D

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acer_Predator_21X

These specs are insane

[verbal imp]

Recently Ive been experiencing some weird sudden spikes in my GPU, and everytime I had those unexpected spikes today my PC would go really slow, I never had this before, im not sure but I feel like this could be related somehow. I've only had this problem today, and I restarted my pc so now I think its no longer lagging but it definitelly was kinda scary...

[fallen oasis]

Look at the processes tab and check which goes to 100?

[orchid iron]

if pc was lagging, it was likely a cpu thing, I see the graph says yours is at 95% xD

[mighty patrol]

Do you have xmp enabled?

[orchid iron]

Oh yeah, check processes CPU usage, maybe there was a long windows update followed by windows defender scanning

If it was only unreal using 90% CPU, then tweak your Engine settings to reduce usage, like ray tracing, shadow quality etc

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/x0VDKRjedss?si=iCyfd7QXZ9NMW9nQ

[orchid iron]

Oh yeah, a friend who got hacked also DMed me this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4SfPLhTgRPQ

[mighty patrol]

Sorry I'll do better

[orchid iron]

The new Nvidia 6080 looks sick

[median marsh]

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 To Be Released On March 22nd, Available For $549

you don't even get a xx60 card for that on release now 😄

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/sHzrOsz1VUo?si=UcsCp1Do-IYHy7pt

[grave sundial]

--- Huawei Technologies unveiled its CloudMatrix 384 AI computing system, positioning it as a strong rival to Nvidia’s top-tier GB200 NVL72. The company showcased the chips at the recent World Artificial Intelligence Conference (WAIC) in Shanghai, China. ---

[orchid iron]

Noice

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6MvSD9cNfQ

[orchid iron]

more competition!
Although I wonder if they drivers include spyware

[mighty patrol]

I hope so

[grave sundial]

Indian GPUs will hopefully enter the market by 2029, they say.

By then, PCs should be $10,000 each.

💸

[orchid iron]

But in used market it is only about 2k$ so it is acceptable xD

[somber surge]

Powered by an entry level RTX 8030 1GB

[grave sundial]

Very safe. Won't catch 🔥 .

[somber surge]

Nah you don't get it...that's a feature not a bug, how else would they incentivize you to upgrade to their next gen otherwise

[grave sundial]

yeah, but entry level customers are too poor to be incentivised.

hence, safe hardware for the plebians.

only rich people get flammable material.

[somber surge]

Except if the 8030 is 700$

[grave sundial]

That'd be the poor price.
The 8090 will be $5,500.

No worries.

Everyone will have multiple credit cards.

With 50% interest rate.

[mighty patrol]

Like 5090 here is 3500+

[grave sundial]

Oh. Then, I have to rewrite the prize. 8090 will be $7,500.

[orchid iron]

Huge generational uplift! Moore's law is alive

[somber surge]

15% more performances at most with DLSS 7 Ultra Max generating 100 fake frames between each real frame

[orchid iron]

They advertise 3000fps in games, but only 60 are real

[grave sundial]

Nonsensical. Both of you.
The 8090 will simply generate BOTH frames AND the game.

A developer will merely supply a well-formatted prompt and the GPU will do the rest.

You will basically pay for a text file (about $500 per game) and then play it in 8090's frame gen renders.

[somber surge]

And the new gpu hardware requirement is just the vram that you need to run the AI model that generates the game 🤣

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3UaVQ5_euw8&pp=ygUac3BlZWQgcnVubmluZyBhaSBtaW5lY3JhZnQ%3D

[mighty patrol]

They finally covered lossless scaling, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCKbt8hBYAo

[wise elbow]

I don't understand why lossless scaling is heralded as this grand performance boosting thing

I own it and it's great for movies or old games that don't support higher resolutions, but otherwise it's completely worse than dlss or fsr and adds a bunch of latency

[mighty patrol]

From what they said, and I havn't used it myself it's a niche thing some use-cases it's better others not.

On Halo Infinite they had good results.

But they also didn't scale it too much

To not experience major artifacts/ issues

[wise elbow]

it would be nice if dlss and framegen could be used in the same way

framegen has some driver level overrides that let you use it in anything and it's quite nice

not so much for dlss

it would be really cool for old windows and dos games

[mighty patrol]

Tempted to pick it up for crysis 😂

[orchid iron]

unironically that game still looks amazing even today imo

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IItu46EWaic#

It seems we can't call these thread rippers from zen5% as some workloads would be more like zen50%

[wise elbow]

on average though it's like 5-15%

[orchid iron]

Still a big difference compared to consumer

[somber surge]

Well...architecture wise Zen 5 is a big upgrade, on desktop it is just heavily limited by the IO Die (which is shared with Zen 4)

You can clearly see it with the Zen 5X3D chips, they are a bit less dependent on the memory IO due to their much larger cache and so they get a nice performance boost compared to Zen 4/5

[delicate crystal]

As someone currently waiting for tyr 9960x to come in, this is good to read 🙂

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=57A09NpQcsE

[mighty patrol]

At least he didn't drop this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE1ueYjPCOQ

[wise elbow]

does xeon really compete for high end desktop?

[mighty patrol]

No Xeon is joked about in that video

9950x3d is better

They were literally comparing the threadripper to 9950x3d because no one really uses Xeons

Plus Intel kinda cooked their cpu's

[orchid iron]

AMD not letting intel catch a break, gap will widen even more since next two gens are on bleeding edge TSMC nodes

[somber surge]

Intel should also use bleeding edge nodes...their 18A should be in the ballpark of TSMC N2

Though they might end up not using it at all like for Arrow Lake

It's probably going to be rough for Intel for a couple of years but they can catch up for sure

They have to if we don't want to see all CPUs skyrocket in price

[orchid iron]

Wasn't 18A cancelled so that they could focus on 14A?

[somber surge]

For external customers yes

Probably because no one wanted to buy their 18A

[orchid iron]

Oof

[somber surge]

But as far as I know they still keep on using it for their next gen chips

[orchid iron]

Aaah, gotcha

As long as Nova lake or later uses their own home made nodes, I'm hyped

Because it feels kinda dumb not using their own foundry when they have their own foundry, you know?

[somber surge]

That's what you get for stagnating so long and leaving competitors catch up really easily

[somber surge]

Especially when the Foundry is costing so much with R&D and stuff but not bought by anyone

[orchid iron]

They better fill up their own queues xD

We boutta have market flooded with 48 cores

[somber surge]

Competition is good

I can't imagine chips prices if TSMC and AMD were the only ones on the market

We are already seeing the effects of AMD being more in the lead

[orchid iron]

Thankfully Samsung is here to save the day

[somber surge]

Do they even have <2nm chips planned? 🤣

[orchid iron]

Samsung

[somber surge]

At least they are here to make crapy cheap SOCs for Nintendo

[orchid iron]

And the 990 pro 4TB

Also, Nvidia blaming everyone (including windows 12 being delay) for their CPU failures forcing them to delay it, is just so Nvidia

[somber surge]

Signature move by Nvidia™

[orchid iron]

Oh actually, imagine if Microsoft paid Nvidia for their CPUs to only work on windows 12? Imagine how salty people would get xD

[somber surge]

It wouldn't surprise me coming from those two companies

They both do super dodgy stuff by themselves, imagine together

[delicate crystal]

Itd kill nvidias server market, aka where the money is

[orchid iron]

Nah, it is for consumer stuff

No way Nvidia would let Microsoft delay server stuff

Flagship Nvidia CPU is 10p cores and 10e cores, for a total of 20 threads

Actually what is their server CPU specs

Basically just there for the bandwidth and pcie lanes xD

[agile lodge]

the x1x

[wise elbow]

Last I heard Intel will be using tsmc fabs

[somber surge]

Again? Damn

[wise elbow]

Intel fabs are wayyy behind unfortunately

[somber surge]

From what they said 18A was coming along well

[wise elbow]

afaik win11 is pretty behind on x86 emulation with ARM when compared to apple

I'm not even sure you would be able to properly leverage the CPU unless high performance programs were compiled for arm on windows which is pretty uncommon atm

[orchid iron]

Nah, if they were truly ready, it would of first released with Linux

[unreal ledge]

Has there been much change in the game development space over the last 30 years? The biggest shift I can see is the transition from 2D to 3D graphics—that's about it. A few years ago, we got ray tracing, but in my opinion, it's not nearly as big a leap as the move from 2D to 3D. I was just a toddler back then; the first video games I played were on the iPhone 3GS around 2013. I think they were My Talking Tom, Plants vs. Zombies, Jetpack Joyride, and a few others. Mostly 2D mobile games

and it was like huge like freaking blowing my mind.

I didn't know what the hell is Nintendo till 2018 and they were like the maker of Mario games

[orchid iron]

Well, making games in general became so much easier from 30 years ago

So many tools that would be insanely expensive are just free to get and use for your project

For example: motion capture, you would think very expensive suits, but actually you could just use your webcam/phone and the power of AI, you get motion capture data

[unreal ledge]

oh yes, that as well, like the start of pre-made game engine.

[orchid iron]

Yeah, now self-made game engines will become quite rare

And AI-based tools will become more common

But with all these fancy tools, it still depends up to the one who uses them, how the game will be

[somber surge]

The switch to PBR was pretty major imo, not as big as 2D to 3D but a massive improvement still

Ray Tracing lies in that category as well, though the stagnant hardware makes it hard to adopt widely, it could be much more transformative if all resources were focused on RT

[nova moss]

yes alot of change actually, that time GPU was not even much exist, compared now games and even engine are rely on GPU and alot of many things

[orchid iron]

you say that but all consoles that matter use integrated graphics

[pulsar zephyr]

how fine is a 5070/5070ti ?
looking on upgrading laptop because rider + UE makes the debugger suuuuper slow
possible new config

it seems that (for laptop at least ?) a Ultra 9 275HX and a i9 14900HX is very similar

[worn crane]

Creator of everything please give me RAM

[wise elbow]

I still have minimal faith in 14th gen intels

any reason a laptop and not a desktop?

and they're fine gpus

the 12 of memory could be better but you're limited on that with mobile anyway

[orchid iron]

Get minimum of 16gb of VRAM for the GPU
Would be such a massive annoyance if you got high end CPU and lots of ram, but the VRAM amount will be very annoying since you can't upgrade that

Also, have you looked into framework laptops? Much easier to upgrade those overtime

And fix them if there are any problems

[somber surge]

If you thought their desktop lineup was bad...wait until your see their laptop lineup... 5070 is 8GB of vram (absolute no go), 5070Ti is a poor 12GB and it's not until your reach the 5080 that you get 16GB

The naming scheme is really missleading as well..the 5070 laptop is weaker than a 5060Ti 8GB, the 5070Ti laptop is weaker than a 5070 and the 5080 laptop is barely faster than that

[orchid iron]

oh and don't forget the compute units are also lower, so that 5080 mobile should really be more like a 5070 ti desktop

(power is also lower)

[somber surge]

Yup, look at my second phrase :p

The 5080 Mobile is weaker than a 5070Ti, more like barely faster than a 5070

While being on laptops that cost at least double what an equivalent desktop with a 5080 would cost

[pulsar zephyr]

Work at school lol, and when moving around and need to work

Still got my fine desktop at home

[pulsar zephyr]

These are Way above 2k€ iirc

[pulsar zephyr]

I can get this for 2.3k-2.7k (depends on storage options)

[orchid iron]

jeez, each time I look into laptops I'm more disgusted than the last time
Only gpu with 16gb of vram on laptop is a 4090, a flippin' 4090!!!!

[orchid iron]

feels really bad because you could get a very nice desktop workstation for that price

[pulsar zephyr]

welcome to laptop prices

and yeah +2k for that is a bit high but dont got much choices

[somber surge]

They aren't though

[pulsar zephyr]

to get the same config, yes

also, i dont like the looks of their laptops

and no num pad

[orchid iron]

that's why laptop prices are high, everyone keeps prices high, everyone gets fat happy margins

[grave sundial]

Generally though, assuming you take care of them, those tops last you a good while.

Still, I am happy with my super-duper, illegal immigrant hosting PC. 😄

Say whut?!

[orchid iron]

Those pro 7900xtx are never getting sold at msrp aren't they xD

[orchid iron]

At least they don't have a shitty connector

[grave sundial]

Please, Saar, may I have $7,000?

[orchid iron]

to get the most optimal airflow, sacrifices must be made

[fallen oasis]

The 9 series isn't even really better than the 7-series.

[wise elbow]

direct upgrade

faster and a lot more pcie lanes I think

[fallen oasis]

Stick all the pcie lanes in you like, if the performance doesn't acutally go up...

[orchid iron]

I heard the Nvidia CPUs have a lot of pcie lanes for AI GPU bandwidth performance max++

[wise elbow]

well, pcie lane count is a major restriction on amd

The new thread ripper pros don't even have as many lanes as older low-end xeons I'm pretty sure

For systems using mass amounts of IO or running like 4 GPUs all eating 16 lanes each, you run out of IO fast

[fallen oasis]

So you get a bonus with the 9-series TR if you have 4 gpus. 👍

[wise elbow]

What kinda of person do you think buys these CPUs?

They're several thousand dollars

The amount of lanes a Ryzen and intel core has is pitiful

Barely enough for even a somewhat higher end consumer

[mighty patrol]

Companies that make AAA

Why do you think no one could run cyberpunk

[wise elbow]

Thread ripper would run cyberpunk like ass

And cyberpunk ran just fine

I dare say it even runs well

[mighty cosmos]

these days cyberpunk will run on a potato (if you don't expect max settings), even on launch it wasn't that bad performance wise

[wise elbow]

I ran it on a 1080 and 10th gen i9 very well

[mighty cosmos]

I even played it on PC on day 1, on launch
I said to myself that I won't look up any reviews of it until I finish it and I loved it, was also mostly bug free

[wise elbow]

Yeah I had an astonishingly good launch experience

Few bugs, ran well

Game was... OK

Story was cool but I think even today the RPG mechanics are pretty lame

I also play a lot of the tabletop and I wish it was exactly like that, so

[mighty cosmos]

I got like 200 hours in it 😆
The phantom liberty dlc is absolutely phenomenal, it's a must play, from story to the level of quality it beats most standalone games
That dlc could have been its own standalone game

[wise elbow]

Phantom liberty was much more fun than base game

Helps it had the RPG mechanics refactor I think

I played it pretty late

[mighty cosmos]

overall it felt like they learned from their mistakes on the base game and applied it to the dlc

I mean I loved the base game but the dlc was so well made

[wise elbow]

I felt a little unresolved by the endings

[mighty cosmos]

my ending was 🐦 🚀

[fallen oasis]

I have one and just a single GPU in it.

[wise elbow]

🔫

[mighty cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-husky-gag-retch-heave-gif-10370162808091759267

[mighty patrol]

Mostly meant developing not playing

[grave sundial]

This is all well and good.

But which one of you is paying me $7,000 so I can buy one?

[mighty patrol]

Ask microsoft

[agile lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-look-dogs-in-glasses-hey-how-you-doin-gif-7825741256078787899

[mighty patrol]

Guy explaining it like a kitchen, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl1uU99p6v0

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/superkai64-wam-superkai-minecraft-convention-gif-14234976

[ashen stream]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-pc-ram-johnny-mnemonic-gif-7310302748509028834

[feral cypress]

Hey guys, I am planning on building my first PC around next spring/early summer. Would anybody be able to help me figure out a good build (budget would be about 1k, not including monitors and things like that) that would be able to handle making an unreal engine 5 3D open world game with a spell system, a weapons system, and a map that is about half of BOTW’s map? I am just looking for an efficient CPU/GPU combo with maybe some other recommendations for things such as storage and RAM.

[untold geode]

Anyone using a 5090 or 5080?

I’m pulling the trigger on a new build tonight but still torn on whether the premium is worth it. Would I notice a significant difference for large open world dev / PCG work in Unreal?

[grave sundial]

https://www.techradar.com/pro/chinese-gpu-vendor-youve-never-heard-of-wants-to-challenge-nvidia-and-amd-in-the-pro-market-with-24gb-vram

Lisuan Tech’s 7G105 GPU, 24GB VRAM

--- The latest version of Intel's XeSS 2 now lets other GPUs run its AI-based frame generation system, throwing RTX 30-series owners a Team Blue-shaped bone ---
Good to know.

[somber surge]

You can't plan that far ahead unfortunately, the market changes day by day and for next year it will be completely different. Any recommendations now are likely to be obsolete by then

[feral cypress]

Ohh ok, thank you

[somber surge]

If you can wait for the 5000 Super refresh, that's the way to go. (Late this year or early next year)

5080 feels wrong with just 16GB (and can be a clear limit for UE)

At least the rumored 5080 Super should have 24GB and not be as absurd as the 5090 price wise

Performance wise the 5090 is not that much better, around 40-50% more performances but at more than double or triple the price..

[mighty cosmos]

Around 55% is 5090 gonna be faster than the 5080

[untold geode]

Thank you, unfortunately can't wait as my last gpu finally died. Hmm maybe it's worth the extra $1k, more cores and vram = faster iteration

[somber surge]

If it's "just" 1K$ more it's definitely worth

Just to have the peace of mind of not worrying about vram limitations

[untold geode]

yea it's definitely a hefty investment. ideally I'd prefer a 4090, instead of this $1k tradeoff for vram

also wondering if I need to increase ram with 5090/UE5.4+

96gb seems like enough, but might need to increase this as it seems unreal has moved "away" from disk based DDC to putting it all in memory

[somber surge]

96GB should be fine

[orchid iron]

@feral cypress for 1k$ build and what you'd use it for, you'll need a GPU with at least 16gb of VRAM

On the GPU side, low end won't change so either 9060xt 16gb or 5060ti 16gb

For the ram, try to get at least 32gb

PSU wattage, look at Cybernetics tier list or Zach Tech turf tier list, and get yourself a 1000 watt PSU that's highly rated by any one of them (high wattage is so that you can easily swap out the GPU for a better one in the future)

1 TB of SSD if your assets are low poly, 2TB or more otherwise

Now for the CPU and Mobo, those could change depending on market

And case is up to personal preference

I don't mention anything specific because as mentioned, they would be obsolete after a year

[feral cypress]

This makes a lot of sense

[grave sundial]

I am a Fractal baby now.

[feral cypress]

But i dont think i can stretch to a 9060xt and all the other things you reccomended

[grave sundial]

I always recommend Fractal's cases.

[feral cypress]

Are they easy to build in? Ive never built in a PC

[grave sundial]

They are big.

[orchid iron]

That's the thing, in a year, prices would go down

[feral cypress]

Good

[feral cypress]

Yea that makes sense

[grave sundial]

And they let me put illegal immigrants and planets inside.

Also, like about 9-10 fans if you want.

[orchid iron]

How much is it again?

[grave sundial]

the case?

[orchid iron]

Yeah

[grave sundial]

Here, $205 - with import duties - in India.

[orchid iron]

Yeah with imports, prices are quite high

[grave sundial]

It's Swedish.

[feral cypress]

Yo why is the 9060xt 16gb less than a 4090

[grave sundial]

So, you can invade them and get it for a steal.

[grave sundial]

Because the 4090's a higher performer?

[feral cypress]

That makes sense

[orchid iron]

What do you mean? A 9060xt 16gb is made by AMD, the equivalent made by Nvidia is 5060ti 16gb

[grave sundial]

According to userbenchmark, 141% better.

[feral cypress]

5060 is twice the price

I know it was launched at the same time as 50 series

[grave sundial]

That's an Nvidia thing.

Everything is expensive.

[feral cypress]

Nvidia is the apple of GPUS

[orchid iron]

@feral cypress prices are first thing that get outtaded in a year

[feral cypress]

Ye i know they change a lot

[orchid iron]

Their msrp should be like 250-300$ but moneyyyy

[grave sundial]

Ah, the 4090's floating point performance and texture rate are leagues ahead, according to versus.

[feral cypress]

Bro trying to build what u recommended is still funny

[grave sundial]

red = 4090.

[orchid iron]

PSU, ram, storage, case, CPU cooler don't exactly move in prices as much as GPU or CPU, so if you want, you can get an idea what to buy when day comes

[grave sundial]

on the downside, it's a power guzzler.

[orchid iron]

Also Mobo depends on CPU

[feral cypress]

I put a ryzen 5 7600x3d/ASUS B650 E wifi mobo/gskill flare XS series 32gb ram combo (total of those is 400 bc microcenter deals), a 2tb samsung 990 pro nvme, and the 9060xt 16gb, and those cost 900 dollars alone

[grave sundial]

Well, good computers are bloody expensive.

Especially if you want them to last and serve you.

[feral cypress]

Yeah

[grave sundial]

I don't even look under $2,000 anymore.

[feral cypress]

I thought 1k would stretch pretty far tho

[grave sundial]

Admittedly, 35-40% of that money is import duties. 🤣

[feral cypress]

I can probably build a good computer with 1.5k but im a teen whos gonna start working for minimum wage in ~early spring and im giving myself until prime day to save money get good deals on stuff

Thats how you make crazy savings i think

[orchid iron]

so all that's left is PSU, case and cpu cooler
Yeah won't fit in budget
storage is expandable, so maybe try getting by with like an old drive or a 500gb one

[feral cypress]

I think a 1tb one is better tbh

It can fit an easier budget i can cut 70 dollars if i go from 2 to 1 tb

I may even go like 100 dollars over budget tbh

[orchid iron]

that cpu doesn't heat up much, so you could get a very cheap cpu cooler, like 20 buck one

[feral cypress]

I was gonna go with peerless assasin but aight

Im planning on going to microcenter if i cant find good deals on amazon

[orchid iron]

microcenter so good

if you find deals on PSU, remember to check cybenetics or ZTT PSU tier list

[feral cypress]

Ik

But like the peerless assasin down there is 50 dollars (thats what they show on website)

[orchid iron]

wouldn't want to use a ticking time bomb

[feral cypress]

Exactly

I already know quite a bit about PCs, ive been into it since march

[orchid iron]

true, you wouldn't need to upgrade cpu cooler in the future

[feral cypress]

Its just idk how to properly balance a build

[orchid iron]

and case is again, personal preference, but as long as it has good airflow, you can get by with basically anything

[feral cypress]

Yea idrc about how it looks

Thats my biggest gripe with ZTT he does too much for the pc to look good

[orchid iron]

the budget and tasks the build has to do kinda just balances itself out

[orchid iron]

he has a store, and he probably noticed, gamers buy good looking PCs xD

[feral cypress]

I did see his store i considered waiting to buy from him for like 20 seconds then i instantly changed my mind

I want to experience the build itself

It sounds like a good way to kill an hour or two while also making me feel accomplished

[orchid iron]

also saves like 300$ and the realisation that if something goes wrong, the pc is still an unknown world

[feral cypress]

I dont understand that last part wdym by that

The “pc is still an unknown world” part

[orchid iron]

for self repair, if you build it yourself, you have much more confidence than prebuilt

[feral cypress]

Ohhhh

Yeah

[orchid iron]

that's what I meant sry

[feral cypress]

Np

You dont have a reason to be sorry dw

What are the specs on your personal PC?

[orchid iron]

that "unknown world" part was just unreasonably abstract

Oh my personal pc is still a 10 year old laptop with 4 cores and an nvidia 960m

[feral cypress]

W battlestation

Anyways im gonna go to sleep now thank you so so much for all the advice and help

Maybe ill ttyl

[orchid iron]

gotcha, have a good one

[grave sundial]

I must buy two hamsters for my CPU.

[orchid iron]

would they be bigger than the astronaut?

[grave sundial]

They would be real ones, running fans 9 and 10.

I want to strap nitro boosters onto at least one of them.

[fallen oasis]

Is now imaging 2 discord nitro subscribers strapped to hamsters

[delicate crystal]

Going from being tokd my pc will be readu last friday to being tomd.everything i ordered is on backorder is certaintly a vibe. Best part is everything on their site says its in stock.

[orchid iron]

AMD filed a patent for a socket design with 2100 pins and around same size as am5.
Reminder that am5 has 1718 pins
So quite the boost

[wise elbow]

maybe get some more pcie lanes?

x870 has been pretty ass because of the limited lanes

it would be a nice boost considering IO requirements for new boards are nuts

[orchid iron]

Am6 might get ddr6 and pcie 6.0 for all we know

[wise elbow]

I feel like ddr6 is probably for sure

That high of a memory bandwidth would be pretty cool.

AMD is probably under a bit of pressure to compete with ARM based SOCs that use system memory for graphics and AI stuff

[pulsar zephyr]

a good ddr5 ram should be at least around 5000Mhz no ? (since max is around 6400Mhz)
im finding DDR5 kits between 2800 and 3500

[mighty cosmos]

if you want 128GB even 5000MHz is gonna be a challenge

with high capacity you won't get the advertised speeds for the kit, those speeds are if you only populate 2 slots

what you can manually get with DDR5 and high capacity with 4 slots populated is between 4600-5200MHz roughly depending on your luck

[pulsar zephyr]

okay

[white horizon]

took some overclocking of my RAM and a speed reduction to get it to run fine with 4 sticks

5200 to 5000, and an increase in voltage

[mighty cosmos]

yeah I don't think the memory controller in the CPU is gonna allow you more than 5200MHz with 4 dimms

that's probably gonna be the hard limit

[pulsar zephyr]

is there a difference between 2x64 and 4x32 ?

im targeting 2x64 in case i add 2x64 again in the future

[orchid iron]

in terms of bandwith (in MT/s or GHz ) there is massive difference on am5
Intel may have bandwith penalties I forgot

go for 2x64gb if you can

[delicate crystal]

Whats good software to stress test hardware?

[wise elbow]

Depends on the hardware

[mighty patrol]

Also what you want to stress

3d mark is decent on steam I got a list at home I can post later tonight.

[delicate crystal]

Everything rrally. Gettong a threadripprr 9960x with 128gb ram and a 5060 16 gb vcard so wanted to put it through the paces

[mighty patrol]

Can post in about 2 hrs.

[somber surge]

Occt is the go-to tool that can stress test pretty much anything individually or together

It's pretty good at finding stability issues

[mighty patrol]

Nooo why

[orchid iron]

I don't mind if GPUs have a 10% extra premium because of X and Y feature, but this is starting to get ridiculous xD

[orchid iron]

wait, never mind, Jay forgot about the 10k $ asus gpu with real gold

a +400% on that 2k$ msrp

[median marsh]

"premium" may also be longer warranty

[orchid iron]

Oh yeah, knowing the Asus warranty is long sure is reassuring, they'll probably honor it xD

[delicate crystal]

Sounds good. Itll probably telll me my video card needs to upgrade but i know that

[feral cypress]

Is there a software that stress tests all parts to see which part is holding a system back?

I have a hand me down hp 14 laptop and i wanna see if its performance is held back by the 4 gb ram or the celeron in it (i forgot the specific model for it but i think kts like n1420 or sum idk)

5060 and an 8400f is crazy

Walmart is wildin bro

800 bucks for that build

[mighty patrol]

[OCCT](https://www.ocbase.com/)
[Furmark](https://www.geeks3d.com/furmark/)
[Cinebench](https://www.maxon.net/en/downloads/cinebench-2024-downloads)
[Heaven](https://benchmark.unigine.com/heaven)
[3dMark](https://www.3dmark.com/)```

[feral cypress]

Oh thanks

[mighty patrol]

For SSD

You want crystal disk mark

Just not on my list for some reason

[feral cypress]

The ssd isnt bad its 64gb but its decently fast i think

[mighty patrol]

https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskmark/

[feral cypress]

Thank you

I actually did cinebench but the cpu didnt finish it

[mighty patrol]

Ruh roh

Try OCCT

[feral cypress]

Aight

[delicate crystal]

Speaking of nvmes, anything that would tell.me a drices on tge way out before it just shat itself

[mighty patrol]

Crystal Disk Info

https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskinfo/

[wise elbow]

Memory doesn't matter unless you run out

I don't think 4gb is even enough for windows anymore

And a Celeron is tragically pretty ass

[feral cypress]

I do know this

[feral cypress]

And the laptop actually runs windows decently acceptably

But how do I know if the ram runs out

[wise elbow]

Look at task manager

It'll tell you how much is being utilized

If you run out of memory it will start to use your storage as memory which is incredibly slow

Not sure what you plan to use it for other than browsing the web

[orchid iron]

if the pc randomly becomes extremly slow, it is probably either running out of cpu or using your ssd as emergency ram xD

[median marsh]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-formally-launches-geforce-rtx-5080-proart-with-wood-patterned-laminate-trim-and-usb-type-c-port nice

now you really get that fireplace feeling when the GPU starts to burn

[white horizon]

home insurance is about to start asking what GPU you have in your PC

[fallen oasis]

I'm unable to get my pc or laptop on my home insurance without special measures 😂

[white horizon]

mine cost about 14k CAD to make at the time

because the 7950X and all had just come out, 4090, and fully custom watercooling

and the 192GB of RAM now

[mighty patrol]

14k cad 😮

How much was your watercooling setup?

[white horizon]

2.2k cad

nvm more like 12k cad total

just rechecked

[mighty patrol]

Damn

I was going to say sounds a bit extreme I got about the same setup lol

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ltgyS8oJC8g

Also intel lga 1954 is planned to have 4 generations on it

[mighty patrol]

Lol

I heard about this in another discord I wasn't sure if it was true.

[orchid iron]

https://store.gamersnexus.net/black-market-gpu-backers

[orchid iron]

Is it planned ✅
Will it happen ❓

[mighty patrol]

Everyone needs to buy Kingpin plan

[somber surge]

4 new generations or refreshes and renames included?...because LGA 1700 had 3 generations technically....but 13th gen was a basic refresh and 14th was a rename of 13th gen

[orchid iron]

Nova lake, Razer lake, Titan lake, Hammer lake

And Nova lake is planned to have the 3d v cache (last level cache), while Titan lake is planned to have enhanced 3d v cache (Big last level cache)

I personally think intel is done with refreshes in the long term, felt more like an accountant thing if you know what I mean

[wise elbow]

pretty sure they publicly changed their model away from that

the unfortunately named "tick tock" model to CPU development

[grave sundial]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/106923/intel-nova-lake-cpu-full-leak-52-cores-bllc-is-intels-answer-to-x3d-cache-lga-1954-socket/index.html - We have new acronyms to learn.

bLLC to oppose x3D.

[orchid iron]

LLC (Last level cache) Vs our current 3d V-cache

BLLC (Big last level cache) vs 3d cores

[grave sundial]

🤔
So in the future,
MLLC vs 4D Cores
ILLC vs 5D Cores
and etc.

[orchid iron]

Yeah, 4d naming scheme is already in various packaging terms for making chips

We'll get to 5d soon

[grave sundial]

I can't wait for users spamming questions on reddit along the lines of, "Which D, Saar?! Which D?!!!!!"

[orchid iron]

We may get quantum chips before 5d things though

[grave sundial]

They'll explode the moment you power them on.

In another dimension.

[sleek adder]

Hi, I have a world of 4k x 4k, so it's a pretty big world. Im trying to convert the whole world into world partition. And the number of actors in my scene is 12.600. And im planning on adding even more actors to fully finish the level design. When I convert it it looks like its taking too long, maybe hours but I never had the chance to fully let it to finish, because I didnt even know how long its gonna take, perhaps I should let it load overnight, does anyone know a rough estimate of how long it would take to convert a level of that size? My build is Ryzen 3, 32 GB ram, radeon rx 590 series 8GB vram

I could also replace the actors with static meshes and only convert them in place to actors when you hit them with a line trace or get too close to them etc. But I've already committed to making everyting an actor anyways and it always kind of felt to me like more work to do this than to use world partition or make a pc upgrade, although the best choice is probably going to be to implement w.p. and world static meshes that magically convert to actors only when you are about to use them

im not sure what the difference is going to be though, and im not sure if this is actually gonna make a difference at all. So it might be too much work for nothing

[orchid iron]

I hope you have a good electrical system that powers your pc

[sleek adder]

yes, are you talking about power supply? Its 750 W corsair

[orchid iron]

I mean where the PSU gets the power from, ever got power outtages?

And lights going brighter and darker randomly

[sleek adder]

power outtages from what? from the pc itself causing an outtage?
oh I havent had many problems like this

I remember only one time when opening the project of a friend of mine who had 8 k x 8k, so his level was even bigger and when I opened it, I had the monitor go dark at random times and flicker, but never had this on my own project

also the meshes are very optimized, I use nanite on all of them, I think its good.

only one tree I used had like 200.000 triangles and polys, and I also used nanine on that one instead of LODs

[orchid iron]

Well if you don't know what I'm talking about that means you likely never experienced it which is good

Get a hardware monitor program that checks the temps of CPU, GPU etc

Make sure they stay in the 80°C, if they don't, cap the power until it stays there even after an hour

[grave sundial]

The 4TB Nvme drives have fallen in price yet again, here. 🙂 Yay! 😄

Now, if they would only fall to like $1. 🤣

[delicate crystal]

damn I just bought two of them

[ashen stream]

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/affordable-3d-printed-bionic-arm-uses-muscle-signals-move.amp

[orchid iron]

Noice

[wise elbow]

Oh? Which ones?

[grave sundial]

Crucial, WD, Samsung, and to a lesser extent MSI.

I think MSI isn't making new stock.

[wise elbow]

Might just not be in the know but seems pretty similar in the US rn

[grave sundial]

Lab mentioned once that it was because they are trying to get rid of the PCIe4 ones. Maybe that's why. We are getting bigger discounts.

I want it for FREE, though. Most ideal scenario.

[wise elbow]

I really want a decent 4tb nvme to shove in my PC

Debating if I really care about speed

I usually buy 990 pros (I do something that actually gets tangible benefit from IO) but I think with this drive it would just be for games and storage

[grave sundial]

I wish 8TBs were cheaper.

[wise elbow]

I wish they existed lol

[grave sundial]

I was going to suggest that you but the Seagate FireCuda 530R SSD 4TB, but turns out the pricing is inverse to the USA here.

[wise elbow]

Though tbh not even that bad of a price

[grave sundial]

Like on Amazon.com, it's more expensive than the Samsung PRO, but in India it's cheaper. 🤣

[wise elbow]

I personally don't trust Seagate SSDs. Their hard drives are... ok...

[grave sundial]

You get 8TB nvmes in the US, no?

[wise elbow]

Would probably buy a Kingston or something

[wise elbow]

Yeah, for 600 USD lol

[grave sundial]

It's almost 100% more for us.

Thanks, import duties.

[wise elbow]

India right?

[grave sundial]

Yep.

But this is pre-tariff.

[wise elbow]

Dang

[grave sundial]

Actually, since they're made in Korea/China, the tariff wouldn't matter. My bad.

[wise elbow]

Did tariffs raise them for you? I was under the impression most SSDs were imports from southeast asia

Yeah

Though the shift in supply chains could mess with it

[grave sundial]

I don't know which brands come directly from the US, though.

[wise elbow]

I'm not sure any are made in US.

[grave sundial]

If they do, it'll be 50% more expensive, assuming the Orange bum doesn't change it again.... again.... again... and again.

[wise elbow]

New executive orders changing tariffs, so 🙃

[grave sundial]

At that point, they'll just write an IOU and settle the bill later. 🤣

[wise elbow]

Raising prices on imports has saved me lots of money because I'm not buying anything 😈

Carbon footprint going down...

[grave sundial]

Getting back to our roots.

Austerity.

I should build an abacus; Calculator app might be taxed.

[wise elbow]

Software tariff possibility is no joke

Assuming it doesn't get export controlled or something

[grave sundial]

Of course. If he charges outsourcing, they charge the client, who charges the consumer, yada yada.

OR better yet, the software publisher just raises the price 'cuz tariffs' for kicks 😈

[wise elbow]

A lot about software taxes fall apart when you realize the companies that make them are usually international conglomerates

Silly anyway. Many states in the US have a "use tax" for when you buy things out of state

Typically same as sales tax

You might ask how they would know you buy something in another state

[grave sundial]

I was calculating sales taxes the worldover yesterday.

What a mess of numbers.

[wise elbow]

What's it like in India?

[grave sundial]

More straightforward for digital goods - 18% flat.

[wise elbow]

Oh jeez

I think I pay 6% where I currently live

[grave sundial]

At least you just have to do the one rate, but not to be left behind other countries, India needs you to file THREE forms.

What we don't screw up in numbers, we'll screw up in forms.

[wise elbow]

Is that on the seller or the buyer?

[grave sundial]

The seller.

[wise elbow]

Wtf?

[grave sundial]

who collects it from the buyer anyway.

[wise elbow]

Sales tax is at point of sale in the US

[grave sundial]

I think that's just because the company passes the tax on to the customer.

[wise elbow]

I think there's actually no responsibility on the buyer

Yeah

[grave sundial]

If they WANTED to, they can just take it upon themselves.

[wise elbow]

It would never work. Cash is still used frequently in many regions

[grave sundial]

le sigh

[delicate crystal]

Think my samsung.9100s were 750 a shot. Hooray for tarriffs

[mighty patrol]

Holy sheet

What capacity?

[delicate crystal]

4TB

[mighty patrol]

Makes sense

[delicate crystal]

ya it's a system that I don't want to upgrade for another five years or so, and the 250gb drives I had before where a bloody pain being full all the time, so figured why not. Plus paying more for commercial grade drives so less chance of sudden failure

[mighty patrol]

I have had good luck w/ samsung in the past

That and Seagate

[delicate crystal]

ya I had the samsung 970's in my last system. Was told that it was a minor miracle that they lasted for five years. Most died soon after purchase it seems.

[mighty patrol]

I got 1 970 in my one pc right now lol

6 years so far

Crystal Disk Info says it's health is 95% still

[nova moss]

i also using 4 TB

[wise elbow]

I never heard of any issues with the 970s

I know the 990s had bad firmware at release that caused them to degrade, but even that got fixed

[orchid iron]

That was the 980, not the 990

[delicate crystal]

Maybe it was the 980 now that i thinkmof it. Id have to check. But ya thats what started this whole upgrade thing

[grave sundial]

It's entirely possible that the drive will be just fine for a LONG time after 10 years, too.

All that warranty/guarantee/blah blah is usually companies playing it extra safe.

Assuming you haven't abused the drive constantly, and it doesn't hate you, it should be good for a bit beyond 10 years.

[mighty patrol]

Nope

I treat it like a queen

[grave sundial]

I think my external storage HDDs began to fail after 12 years or so.

[mighty patrol]

Keep her happy and healthy she does the same

[orchid iron]

Rip 14a

Also employees headcount are expected to drop to 75000, (which is same number as employees when pentium first came out)

according to CEO, (the Pentium thing is just from public data)

[somber surge]

That's a necessity if they want to stay in the market

Intel has way more employees than AMD and Nvidia combined, and get destroyed by both in their respective markets

[orchid iron]

Yeah, and no customers for 14a is insane

[somber surge]

They can justify more since they have also their Foundry business, but not that much more, especially when the Foundry isn't making any money

[somber surge]

They don't trust it enough to use it themselves, why would external companies do it

[orchid iron]

That burn lmao

[somber surge]

It doesn't help that TSMC is constantly delivering good nodes as well...and that most of those big companies have deals with TSMC

[orchid iron]

Nova lake or the gen after it was supposed to use it, but I guess they changed their minds

[somber surge]

Well...Arrow Lake was supposed to use Intel 4 or 3 but that never happened, Nova Lake was supposed to use Intel 18A but that will never happen because they "wanted to focus on 14A"...now we'll see if 14A can get anything

They do have some promising techs in those nodes, too bad we don't know if it's only marketing or if they actually work

[orchid iron]

Even if they work, gotta also look at price and also shipping

[somber surge]

Yup...that's the thing. They need to be expensive if they want to recoup their investment and make any profit, but they can't be expensive until they proved as a viable alternative to TSMC

It's very similar to AMD in the DGPU market... 🤣

Though I really hope Intel can pull it off, competition in the Foundry space would be very good, especially with the increasingly higher cost of manufacturing

[orchid iron]

People 's opinion of amd dgpu should change with udna 1 or 2

Hopefully same with intel nova lake and celestial

[somber surge]

I mean, even with the terrible RTX 5000, RDNA 4 doesn't seems to be that much popular...

[orchid iron]

Idk, fact that the ran out of stock on rDNA 4 multiple times even with large stock is impressive

For them

[somber surge]

I guess we'll see once their "Redstone" thing is out, that's were we will be able to see if AMD can fully catch up to Nvidia on the software side

Though their biggest problem with that is game adoption

[orchid iron]

They can just inject themselves into single player games xD

[somber surge]

If they have FSR 3.1*

Which is not the case for the vast majority of games that have FSR

[orchid iron]

Also, before fsr4, you couldn't just swap dll files to upgrade fsr version in game
From now on, backwards compatibility should be way better

[somber surge]

It's crazy to me that they still don't have an open SDK for FSR 4

[orchid iron]

Wtf they don't?

[somber surge]

Like

• "look our shiny new tech"
• "can we use it?"
• "eeeeeh... nope"

[orchid iron]

Dang it

[somber surge]

Nope... I guess they "rushed" the release to have a good stable public version but the code behind is a mess and requires a lot of work for the SDK 🤣

[orchid iron]

Hopefully it'll be done by udna

[somber surge]

They released version 3.1.4 recently for "FSR Redstone support" https://gpuopen.com/learn/amd-fsr3-ue5-6-redstone/

So I guess they will just launch it alongside it, a big SDK with FSR 4 + Redstone

[orchid iron]

We got amathyst, redstone, soon we'll have emerald and diamond maybe xD

[somber surge]

I don't get it why they want to make AI Frame Generation though

Their current FG works really well, very comparable to DLSS while not using AI

With AI it will just be slower and available on RX9000 only

We'll see I guess.. I just hope it won't end up like FSR 3 that released almost a year after its supposed "release date" on only 2 terrible games

[orchid iron]

That right there is the issue

[orchid iron]

People were able to make it work on rDNA 3, but the performance hit made it not worth it

Which explains why it isn't available for rDNA 3, just use fsr3

[somber surge]

Yeah but they don't need it to be AI

Their current Frame Gen works very well and doesn't use any AI

Not sure switching to an AI Frame Gen would improve anything

I'm not talking about their upscaling here :p

[orchid iron]

It has to use AI for fancy marketing

[wise elbow]

i thought the framegen looked pretty unnatural

felt like TV smoothing

was surprised that Nvidia framegen didn't feel like that

[wise elbow]

also slower might not be true, there's dedicated hardware for it now

[agile lodge]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/developer/articles/technical/battlematrix-software-update-august2025.html

[somber surge]

DLSS FG has always been slower than FSR FG

[wise elbow]

yeah but it doesn't look like shit

same with dlss 4 and fsr3

yeah fsr3 is faster but it's awful

[somber surge]

I mean, I haven't seen much of a difference if you have a good enough base framerate

Especially with FSR 3.1 that can be combined with any upscaler

Most of the time what made FSR FG trash is that you had to use it with FSR 3 upscaling (and at the time there wasn't even a "native" option)

[orchid iron]

now sli those bad boys

[orchid iron]

Is it possible to raid 0, 2 or 3 usb sticks?

[nova moss]

❓

[wise elbow]

i'm pretty sure you can

just not a great idea

[orchid iron]

Perfect

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NX-gFtPEYBE

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhQ1TWmX77c

[wise elbow]

Hmm

[orchid iron]

https://videocardz.com/newz/maxsun-arc-pro-b60-dual-with-48gb-memory-reportedly-starts-shipping-next-week-priced-at-1200

[wise elbow]

hopefully the performance is even remotely reasonable for the amount of memory it has

[orchid iron]

I'm annoyed at that power connector though

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/D2xMkuZWAdg?si=BouGOXWJQk6RsYYM

[median marsh]

that's probably the worst video he ever made...

20 minutes of talking with no real point, didn't even fix the connector to check if the card still works...

and imho the card should turn off, instead of warn the user... which is why this is more of a gimmick than an actual protection against the issue 🙁

[fallen oasis]

TL;DR?

[median marsh]

he ran 1200W through his Astral, the cable melted, the card "warned" him and he shut down the computer

so we don't know if the card survived, and how long it took him from recognizing the warning until shutdown...

[wise elbow]

1200W? is that surprising that it killed the cable?

literally double the rated power

[mighty cosmos]

at that point it's like "no shi* Sherlock"

if anything, that makes the connector seem good, which is against the point of the video lol

[orchid iron]

Yeah exactly, even the 8pin connectors have their limits

Am4 has: zen, zen+, zen2 and zen3

According to latest leak of Moore's law

Am5: zen4, zen5, zen5+, zen6 and zen7

And it makes sense, because of Intel's plans to take platform longevity seriously (4gens on one socket) and also ddr6 probably being way too expensive to be worth it for consumer (remember ddr5? )
Plus ddr5 won't limit zen7 that much if they have support for high clocked ddr5
Not like ddr6 will be at its peak on launch

[median marsh]

does someone here use an AIO graphics card with the radiator mounted to the front of the case, blowing warm air into the case?

[orchid iron]

Seen a bunch of them online, warm air is only a few degrees, and excluding CPU and GPU temps, rest of components won't mind

[median marsh]

i have a hard time believing it, since i notice a big difference between 20°C and 30°C room temperature

[orchid iron]

Oh if it is that big of a difference, yeah, avoid doing that

[median marsh]

i mean, if i go for air cooled gpu, the heat is in the case, too... 🤔

[mighty patrol]

Just blow it out

[orchid iron]

Hot air of GPUs are usual close to fan exhausts, so it isn't a big issue, but it is odd that the air from the GPU aio is THAT hot, again, should normally be a few extra degrees

[mighty cosmos]

the temperature of my CPU AIO coolant gets to about 40C max, that's not that hot, the air coming through isn't gonna be hotter than that

probably not much higher for a GPU

[agile lodge]

jayztwocents ordered the new connector for card but not training with that card

[wise elbow]

pulling air in should be ideal for gpu

air temp dependant on air speed. slower air going over a gpu will be hotter than fast air going over a gpu

gpu will be much hotter than the loop coolant which will be quite a bit hotter than the air going through the radiator

it will somewhat affect temps in your case if you don't have good airflow. but things like memory and vrms are usually so over engineered that it doesn't matter unless you are extreme overclocking

if you really want, use a thermometer to figure out the hot air temp vs ambient

the temperature difference will be the same as vrm temp difference with hot air vs ambient

[wise elbow]

temps will be exactly 10C higher

[median marsh]

no

[wise elbow]

I mean that's how it works

[nova moss]

how much is coolant normaly?

[somber surge]

Zen 3 X3D can be considered a new generation as well imo

The leap in gaming was so massive

Are they actually planning Zen 5+ though?

Seems like a waste on desktop unless they change the IO Die

[orchid iron]

Seems like it, plus zen5+ at least has the two 3d v cache on both ccds which was talked about way before zen5 came out

Zen5+ flagship*

[feral cypress]

My walmart is so funny

They paired a 5060 with an 8400f on their only gaming pc

[orchid iron]

Price?

[feral cypress]

900 USD

Heres a screenshot

[wise elbow]

thats a fair cpu for it

[median marsh]

imho a 3060 is good enough for many people

i've played cyberpunk on 1440p without problems on it

[orchid iron]

For a pre-built that's a fair price, I've seen insane people sell a 5060 pre-built for 1300$

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/BRZAlp45u3w?si=ArBZJse-0yJNYiy3

Really nice feature in case of burn in

[somber surge]

Nothing magical though, the feature simply "downgrades" good pixels to match the degraded ones, it will result in worse "performances" long term

[feral cypress]

I saw this vid lol

[orchid iron]

Sounds like Asus xD

[somber surge]

It's standard across all OLEDs

They all have their version of this "tech"

I'm even pretty sure those "techs" come directly from the panel manufacturers (LG/Samsung) and then each brand implements it with their own branding and stuff

[orchid iron]

Oh, interesting

[faint talon]

Im looking for another screen to use dual screen - only for developing part
What would be the minimum acceptable ? Any feedback ?

[median marsh]

anything will do

[orchid iron]

1080p minimum resolution, unreal engine UI doesn't scale well at 720p and below

[median marsh]

i usually only have viewports on the 2nd screen, rarely a blueprint to look at what executes

[orchid iron]

It isn't just blueprint, the whole UI looks awful xD

[wise elbow]

just get a 1080p IPS that isn't complete ewaste and it will display text just fine

[wise elbow]

it's pretty much all implemented identically

and yeah it decreases overall brightness over time

[median marsh]

i got 2 secondary TN panels and they are fine 🤷

just be aware that colors may shift if you don't align them correct, so i wouldn't use them to tweak materials, etc.

[wise elbow]

it's almost harder to find tn panels

nice 1080p monitors are so cheap now

https://tenor.com/view/ip-grabber-ip-grabber-thanos-gif-21846609

[wise elbow]

sure thing jackass

[mighty patrol]

Battery died and had to be replaced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDO0oH5HY5Y

[median marsh]

how much would you pay for a life sized Vex cardboard figure?

[mighty patrol]

$5

[median marsh]

how much for a body pillow?

[mighty patrol]

$30

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/gKicRxa1f0c?si=7__HK7d4C_1ohx7b

[orchid iron]

So new Nvidia cards pull 900 watts?!

[orchid iron]

Ah, it is for the titan prototype, still could be for upcoming Nvidia products though

[somber surge]

https://youtu.be/EBYHylB1ELs

Damn

People really still think that

[mighty patrol]

Rip

[fallen oasis]

How did people ever think that was how it works?

[somber surge]

Probably because they saw higher resolution = less cpu usage on the overlay

Except that the lower cpu usage was just because the gpu was the new limiting factor

[fallen oasis]

People are genuinely retarded.

[mighty patrol]

Regards everywhere

[delicate crystal]

Only the morons are breeding

[median marsh]

damn, that's some multithreading here

[wise elbow]

spot the slacker

[median marsh]

you can't

without knowing how the cores clock

[orchid iron]

If you are on low storage get more storage? UE is very large software, you don't want your SSD or HDD to be full or near full when downloading it or running it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1H3xQaf7BFI