hardware

[grave sundial]

Nice of NVidia to NOT create a repository of functioning drivers for older hardware.

[orchid iron]

Their proprietary drivers work with older GPUs

[grave sundial]

and crash them.

but, that's a 'feature'.

[orchid iron]

Recently, I haven't had issues with them, lete check my driver version

[grave sundial]

Luckily, other sites maintain driver repositories. Much like Bethesda, let others do the modding work. 😄

[orchid iron]

Nvidia driver version 570.124.04

[grave sundial]

Go for 572.

Tell us if it crashes.

[orchid iron]

I installed the latest drivers, can't go higher than this for now (I'm on Linux)

[grave sundial]

👀 There was some cool news for linux users with UE yesterday.

[orchid iron]

Cool, what was it about?

[grave sundial]

Ah, not UE directly, but Cleaner Shader support from AMD on Linux.

https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-RDNA3.5-Cleaner-Shader

[orchid iron]

Oh, so amd laptops will be quite good, even with Linux nice

[wise elbow]

lol a few months ago and nvidia was constantly praised for their driver stability

do they do any actual work at Nvidia or just get coked up execs to speculate on ai futures?

[orchid iron]

Remember every Nvidia employee is using advanced AI to help them code worse better

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLLty2GoAuU

Beyond 1nm?

[orchid iron]

1nm and others are just marketing terms, they aren't actually that size

[mighty patrol]

Ye

[grave sundial]

--- Cassava Technologies and Nvidia Join Forces to Establish Africa’s ‘First’ AI Factory
Cassava Technologies, founded by Zimbabwean telecom tycoon Strive Masiyiwa, is collaborating with Nvidia to establish Africa's first AI factory. ---

Skynet ahoi!

[gilded condor]

does anyone know if a Nvidia or AMD grphics card is a better choice for running UE5

[grave sundial]

If raytracing in your project = true, then NVidia.

If raytracing in your project =/= true, then AMD for higher VRAM at a cheaper price.

[fallen oasis]

So now we'll have AIfrican princes that need our funds to unlock their accounts?

[grave sundial]

We'll have Nigerian AIs pretending to be Ethiopian princes with Trevor Noah's humour.

[fallen oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-money-futurama-gif-6882124657810317443

[grave sundial]

https://giphy.com/gifs/MyLeadGlobal-cash-bank-bogactwo-8xoZGp16eCZoN7KJ1d

[orchid iron]

the ai virus is spreading

[grave sundial]

aahhhchoooo!

sniff

[gilded condor]

Ive heard about one of them having problems with shaders or something, do you know anything about it?

[grave sundial]

Do you mean in UE specifically? Or just shaders in any 3D app?

[gilded condor]

UE specifically

[grave sundial]

There was an RT-related shader crash problem in UE 5.3.2 according to the internet.

It reduced in 5.3.3. I don't see any complaints with the same issue in 5.4.4.

[gilded condor]

ok, thanks

currently thinking of going with this one https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/dKWbdb any thoughts?

[grave sundial]

I might be wrong about this, but I think air cooling is enough for your CPU.

If it's cheaper, you could buy a dual air cooler tower and put the rest of the money into a slightly more expensive processor.

But, wait for others' advice.

[plush turret]

if this is ceiling mounted inside my porch would it be reasonably safe from weather stuff? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B093Q2V436/ref

screened against dust, wont get directly wet, and can be brought in during larger storms

[wise elbow]

i would try and get a 4070 super. it will be quite a bit better

i would alternatively recommend a GPU with at least 16 of memory

12 will work (you can get by with anything) but I've seen UE Consume memory depending on what you're doing

that aio will also likely not fit in your case

[gilded condor]

checked on corsair's website, should fit. I also don't want to go any higher with the price so if you know anything thats similair price but better that would be helpful

[agile lodge]

one could not build the droid with projectors in it

[wise elbow]

idk much about the aussie market. you could maybe save some on the cooler, memory, and storage

like keep the capacity but get a different model

with memory as long as the capacity, frequency, and timings are the same, they will likely behave identically even across brands

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/k540NAuwZBM?si=yIm01z46DPT_iN-C

[orchid iron]

Fun fact about RGB lighting
They emit UVs
What can UVs do?
They can damage the paint on some of your components overtime :D

Well it is not a major issue (normally) but if you plan to use this computer for years, you may or may not see marks on your GPU that are oddly right below your RGB ram

[wise elbow]

i don't think that's true

[orchid iron]

Also, what is the price of a 4060 ti 16gb compared to a 4070 12gb?
Since apparently you need ray tracing/AI more

[orchid iron]

Then what counter arguments do you have? Do you own RGB ram for years?

[wise elbow]

im just saying it doesn't emit UV lol

[orchid iron]

So light emitting devices can't emit UVs at all?

[wise elbow]

very unlikely with LEDs

they would have to be specifically designed to do so

[orchid iron]

That's fair, I'm not too sure of the exact details the RGB ram have marked GPU paints either, I just know light can be impactful

[wise elbow]

probably more likely that person had either some weird thermal gradient in their case or it was exposed to the sun

[orchid iron]

The sun has 4 claws that specifically marked itself right below the RGB ram sticks?

Also, thermal gradient? How would ram emit enough heat to damage anything?

(if you couldn't tell I'm heavily biased against anything RGB besides very light accents)

[wise elbow]

the only reason to not get rgb is if you don't want to pay extra

but at this point it just comes default on most high end parts

[fresh fog]

I mean it's going to be something else, because LED's emit ridiculously tiny amounts of uv

[wise elbow]

"4 claws" is probably someone faking it

[orchid iron]

Unless you two have owned RGB ram for years or know someone, idk man, I'd believe sun tsu claw over there

[wise elbow]

my PC is exposed to the sun throughout the day every day and nothing has ever changed in it

[fresh fog]

I mean I own several rgb components, but nothing changes how leds work :P

[wise elbow]

^

[orchid iron]

Why?

[wise elbow]

i like the sun and don't want to be in a dark room

[orchid iron]

Fair

[wise elbow]

the only things these days that really degrade bad in the sun in a PC would be things like tubing

and that's only certain kinds

[orchid iron]

Oh yeah

[wise elbow]

old plastics (like pre 2000) degraded because of the compound

[orchid iron]

Can copper tubing be oxidiested into oblivion?

[wise elbow]

unsure, would have to mix metals in a loop

if you used any other metal other than copper in the loop it would degrade rather quickly

[orchid iron]

Like if it was exposed to the sun and air

[wise elbow]

doubtful

[orchid iron]

Good to know

This comment aged like fine wine

[median marsh]

as plin said, LEDs have a very tight waveband

[median marsh]

you need a lot of light power for that tho, illuminating art and a computer case are whole different scenarios

let's wrap this up the other way... do you have such pictures of GPUs where the light color faded where the ram was?

i think other factors like heat may have more of an influence than the UV emission from some low watt LEDs

[agile lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/bigscreen-bigscreen-beyond-bigscreen-beyond-2-vr-heaqdset-gif-17985795404216289906

[orchid iron]

Looks dope

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/QBQzViR4xU4?si=6U_DaWlAM7UI6jJU

[grave sundial]

Based on the bit of reading I just finished doing, it's because of a lower quality of coating used by the manufacturer of the GPU.

Basically, they don't expect the GPU to have to withstand strong lights inside a case. That's not what they were designed for in the first place.

So, depending on who made the GPU - what materials they used - how cheap they were - the paint may not be able to withstand constant exposure to non-blue lights.

It's not the lights' fault, basically. It's the quality of the anodised color dyes.

All that being said, it's a good excuse to learn metal dyeing DIY and re-dye your GPU. 😄

And of course, there are other factors in that case too, such as heat, constant exposure to moving air, humidity, etc. etc. etc.

On a side note: A redditor complained to EVGA about this four years ago, and they confirmed that this would happen if the anodization process while dyeing the GPU went wrong somewhere.

So, yeah. Low quality materials, blah blah.

Moral of the story: Sell your kidney, buy quality stuff.

[orchid iron]

I suspect some RGB manufacturers were like:"If people see our RGB ram better, they'll buy more, hey engineers, crank the light dial to the max, we need more customers!"

[grave sundial]

It's possible. Cheap and wrong-type of lights used in RGB strips can be a problem, too.

But, the major blame seems to lie with the dyeing on the GPU plate.

[orchid iron]

If people knew how to die their components, the white components wouldn't be able to sell at a premium

[grave sundial]

Which again, is fine, because that's not what those bricks are designed for. 🙂

I guess it's also true that blue LED doesn't emit any UV at all. I haven't seen any faded GPU pics with blue LED strips.

[orchid iron]

Yup, never underestimate cost cutting

[grave sundial]

At least with EVGA though, they offered to rma the card.

It was very nice of them to do so.

card or mobo, one of those. I have already forgotten. 🤣

[orchid iron]

I wonder when they'll come back...right now would be a bad idea

Like, kingpin wanted to do a 50 series card...but there was family matters to do and thankfully he did, such a cluster fudge right now

[grave sundial]

All this gives me an idea.

I'll try putting a Philips bulb inside my tower. 😄

[orchid iron]

Testing the dye quality of your components?

[grave sundial]

No, no.

Sun lighting it up like a dyson sphere.

in this case, a dyson uh... rectangle.

[orchid iron]

So...you just transcended RGB? HOLY MOLY

[grave sundial]

I've got something like 15-20 bulbs sitting in my cupboard.

Seems like an ideal time to transcend.

[orchid iron]

Chad right there

[grave sundial]

wait, wait. Let's not lose faith in Google.

Aha!

My faith in Google has been vindicated. 😄

Behold the BULB in PC CASE!

[orchid iron]

OMFG

We just did a legendary break through

[grave sundial]

someone did. and most of their dyes will be faded in no time.

[orchid iron]

So many ways to customise this

[orchid iron]

Dyes are temporary...THE POWER OF LIGHT BULBS IS FOREVER

[grave sundial]

well, just until your 5-star rated LED bulb konks out.

But, I get your point.

🤔 You could potentially light up an entire van's interior with just one bulb inside a full tower.

[mighty patrol]

Just take apart the light bulb and fix it Electroboom style.

[grave sundial]

Filament bulbs in PC cases is something that people haven't done yet, or at least haven't uploaded screenshots of.

[median marsh]

https://www.modders-inc.com/iron-felix-retro-futuristic-fantasy-casemod/

[mighty patrol]

But hows the air flow

[grave sundial]

That's cool.

Well, my Nvidia drivers crashed.

#feelsgreat

I finished playing a demo and then alt+entered to change between windowed and full screen.

[mighty patrol]

Shoulda used studio

[grave sundial]

Boom went NVidia.

THANKFULLY, I have integrated AMD. 😄

[mighty patrol]

Lol

[grave sundial]

SO, I was able to reboot using it.

Time to reinstall the #$%@@ drivers.

[mighty patrol]

Horray

[grave sundial]

I thought about this.
But aren't studio drivers known to be a bit slower in gaming?

Or is that just rumour?

[mighty patrol]

They are the more stable drivers

Just might experience issues on newer titles

[wise elbow]

Rumour, they're just behind a few versions

[mighty patrol]

Also better for dev

So 🤷

[grave sundial]

Okay, first I'll try the latest driver and see if my system explodes.

Otherwise, I'll use studio.

Meanwhile #feelsgreat, thanks NVidia.

[wise elbow]

Apparently the fabled game ready drivers have been unstable as fuck lately

[mighty patrol]

I am about to swap my other pc to them

Been crashing on a few games on there

[grave sundial]

ah?

I see.

[mighty patrol]

Hell divers 2

Mostly

[grave sundial]

Same as what happened to me then.

[mighty patrol]

But it crashes without driver issues

lol

[grave sundial]

Oh look. Nvidia notes: Various stability fixes.

Thanks, boss.

[mighty patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/winning-charliesheen-summer-win-won-gif-17974105

[grave sundial]

I love Windows 11 though.

Win 10 would have gone through several repair procedures with all the resets I just did.

[mighty patrol]

Have you tried those dev drive features yet

[grave sundial]

Win 11 - didn't bat an eye.

driver or no driver, loaded right to desktop. 🤣

[grave sundial]

which ones?

[mighty patrol]

Probably the biggest thing,
A Dev Drive is built on the Resilient File System (ReFS) and is combined with a new performance mode capability of Microsoft Defender Antivirus, which provides asynchronous scanning on a Dev Drive without changing the security posture of your system drive or other drives.

I used it for a bit

and you could setup a git basically inside the drive

Was pretty neat

[grave sundial]

cool.

[mighty patrol]

I would recommend using 2tb+

[grave sundial]

thanks for telling me about it.

I didn't know.

[mighty patrol]

As it tends to overprovision

[grave sundial]

Ok. This AMD Radeon iGPU on the 7800x3D is cool as heck and smoooooth.

No stutters, nothing. I likes!

[mighty patrol]

I was surprised 7950x had an igpu

[grave sundial]

Thank God for AMD.

Otherwise NVidia 🔥 would total us.

[mighty patrol]

Nvidia would never

[grave sundial]

Okay.

Done.

Time to change the DP cable to the external GPU.

Hope this works. 😄

[wise elbow]

I haven't tested the igpu on my 9950x3d

I had heard it wasn't very useful beyond basic video

[mighty patrol]

Pretty much for the most part

It can do some simple gaming

Don't expect cod warzone

[grave sundial]

Cowabunga! 😄

All good. 🙂

Okay, time to go back into the BIOS and disable the iGPU..... 'cuz no reason at all.

[wise elbow]

i always keep it on in case my gpu dies

[mighty patrol]

Exactly what if the cable starts melting

[grave sundial]

I discovered the mobo loads to bios using its vga/igpu adapter.

so, I can renable it anytime.

But yeah, there's something to be said about keeping both on.

brb

Okay, done and done. 🙂

Time to test that demo again to see if it crashes the GPU. 😄

'Cuz it's 1:30 a.m. and SO not the time to sleep. 😄

Well, I alt+entered the game thirty times and not so much as a screen flicker.

Guess the latest driver did infact have 'stability fixes'.

[mighty patrol]

Noice

Never forget, Win + Ctrl + Shift + B in emergencies

[fallen oasis]

Win + Break is a great keybind.

[grave sundial]

This I didn't know.

TY.

[plush turret]

looking for suggestions of a laptop i can get for my lady friend so she can play games with me and my friend

main games are minecraft, GTAV, subsistance, and a few similar games

basically a modern version of this computer: https://www.amazon.com/HP-Elitebook-Laptop-Windows-Renewed/dp/B0CR1XD1HX/

is what im looking for

[median marsh]

https://videocardz.com/newz/custom-geforce-rtx-4090-48gb-now-comes-with-water-cooling-sales-of-modded-48gb-cards-booming-in-china

[grave sundial]

Are you buying one for me?

[orchid iron]

Budget?

[plush turret]

up to like $600

[orchid iron]

https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-LOQ-Generation-i5-13420H-GeForce/dp/B0CJXHK533?crid=3TDW8VJHYRK47

So, the plan would be to buy it and upgrade the ram, which is quite easy to do on Lenovo laptops

I checked online and a 3050 can run GTA V at an acceptable level

https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Premium-GeForce-Windows/dp/B092YZQZZ7

This one would need both ram and SSD to be upgraded

https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Display-i5-13420H-2-10GHz-Dockztorm/dp/B0CFT74TMR

And this one just the ram again

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/7pmJhdmM1qk?si=1pibAnlqzbjRZDeF

[mighty patrol]

Sit intel

[grave sundial]

How are they improving the x3D?

[mighty patrol]

claim increase of 20-35%

Lol

Gigabyte claim

X3d turbo mode

[grave sundial]

noice.

[mighty patrol]

Nice my mobo will support it

Just need a 9950x3d

[grave sundial]

MSI teased a 5080 RTX with 24GB mem.

[grave sundial]

https://wccftech.com/msi-claims-higher-gaming-performance-on-amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d-bios-features/

MSI is in on it too.

5 days ago, they promoted 10% game perf. increase with the 9950x3D.

With these BIOS features --- While Memory Try It and High-Efficiency Mode are memory-specific and optimize the timings and speed of the memory, the X3D Gaming Mode optimizes the CPU. ---

--- In a recent interview, AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su says AMD plans on bringing Strix Halo to more desktop parts. ---

YAY 👐

💃

[mighty patrol]

Just swap the memory chips

[grave sundial]

swap them with?

[mighty patrol]

Better ones

Ofc

Play operation on gpus

[grave sundial]

😄

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dance-cat-cat-meme-chinese-cat-gif-176716326188105226

[median marsh]

which flavor do you want?

[grave sundial]

fading dye

[wise elbow]

if you spend literally like 100 dollars more you can probably get a laptop with an i7 and 4060

3050 is ewaste and I would not recommend buying a laptop with one, especially now

there's also usually a pretty healthy secondhand market for a lot of gaming laptops and you might be able to get something decent for cheap

[wise elbow]

if it's "turbo mode" it's basically useless and is incredibly annoying to use

it literally turns off threading and shuts down 8 of your cores. so you would have to restart go to bios...

if it's the "cache boost" thing like asus was calling it, it just raises the infinity fabric clock by 100mhz

raising fabric clock by that amount can actually be pretty beneficial. none of these features are locked to the 800 series boards either, lol

bought a 600 series board and it has all of this. haven't been able to get the fabric clock increase to not immediately crash my PC though

[orchid iron]

The guy asked about a laptop that could play GTA V, and I was actually surprised the 3050 can perform okay under the right settings

[wise elbow]

it definitely wouldn't be able to run the new version I would think

[orchid iron]

GTA 6 or did they update GTA 5 with super RT?

[wise elbow]

kinda super RT?

moved it to a new render pipeline I think

[orchid iron]

I don't think they would want to remove players from playing GTA V, so even if it reduces the visual quality a player can experience with a 3050 due to the increased load, I highly doubt it would outright push them out of playing, especially since the 3060 is still one of the top most used GPUs on the market right now

[tough owl]

3060 and 4060 being most popular on the market
nvidia: yea we are not gonna make those anymore

[orchid iron]

Tbf, they were earning very small margin on those, so makes sense they would move on to bigger margin products

[tough owl]

but that is also forfeiting consumer market to competitors, who will eventually reinvest their profits into server tech, which is nvidias current main cash cow

[grave sundial]

It's a question of vision. There are two possibilities here. One is that NVidia already sees something in the future that other companies don't, and they are ready to sacrifice the plebian section of their revenue for it.

The second is that they have earned so much money and grown so dominant a force, that their vision is clouded and they are making a mistake, whose consequences will only be felt a long time from now.

[plush turret]

Yeah my lady doesn't play games enough to really justify more spending. $600 is probably a little much.

Just that im playing with a desktop i7 12700k and 12gb 3060

And id like something remotely in shouting range. Even if the laptop is crying on minimum graphics settings

Mainly because i do somewhat pick games for their visuals now that i have a desktop that can reasonably play them

[orchid iron]

After you upgrade the ram on these laptops
Depending on the resolution, they'll perform really close to your desktop
And if there are thermal issue, it is likely the thermal paste who would need to be switched, which is quite easy to replace on Lenovo laptops

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6v7Lv6SoJQE

[delicate crystal]

Anyone here using a laptop for their unreal needs? deabting if I wanted to go that way and very out of touch on what makers are good now (last I looked alienware was the way to go, lenovos were junk, and macs were well overpriced....well ok some things never change 😄 )

[mighty patrol]

@orchid iron

[median marsh]

lenovo legion is a popular choice

idk when lenovo was "junk"

[delicate crystal]

admintedly a very long time ago 😄

[plush turret]

back when i was in highschool

[median marsh]

was that before IBM bought them? Or the other way around....

apparently lenovo bought the thinkpad brand

[grave sundial]

I promote the Strix APU these days with the Radeon 8060s. So, if you have $2000, then buy that laptop.

That iGPU does its job well at 2.5k resolution and under. Plus, you can allocate 32/64GB memory to the iGPU, so UE won't have a problem with mem capacity.

If you want to save money, then I suggest looking at ebay or craigslist. Used laptops basically. A lot of people sell their 'gaming laptops' online for cheap prices.

My Brit friend got two of his laptops that way.

[delicate crystal]

budget would be good for the Strix. WOuld have to see what their warrenty is like

[grave sundial]

https://www.hp.com/us-en/workstations/zbook-ultra.html

HP has introduced their Strix offering.

The specsheets are available for download there.

[mighty patrol]

Intel nvidia collab??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l55CeEn3uWo

[orchid iron]

Wtf, again? Did they not learn what happened last time?

[grave sundial]

INvidia ™️

[orchid iron]

Just letting you know in advance, before you buy ANY laptop, look up how easy it is to change the thermal paste and other components

Right now I have an old dell...and uhhhhh, imagine disassembling and reassembling an incredibly BS build design that is 5 times worse than you can imagine JUST TO CHANGE THE THERMAL PASTE

[wise elbow]

ive always had good luck with lenovo gaming laptops

and I love thinkpads

have had the same laptop for like 7 years now and it's survived a lot of unnecessary abuse

i think the only laptop I've ever seen fail was an Alienware tbh

and chromebooks worth more in data collection than hardware but those don't count

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os_fHy1mB_M

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hsu26wHim2M

@delicate crystal maybe buy it from him xD
He is the greatest technician that ever lived after all

[delicate crystal]

Youre not wrong. Its why any that im lokking at needs nbd onsite. And international support. If either of those are still a thing anymore

[orchid iron]

you'd have better luck exploring local repair shops, or having a friend that could do some part switching if needed

if you are comfortable with building a desktop you could even learn how to do basic maintenance of laptops that are easy to maintain (not dell)

[tough owl]

older laptops can be real puzzles to take apart, but I do recommend doing it yourself if you can hold the screwdriver because even something like changing thermal paste can take up to 3 hours so it might get expensive on repair shop

as for difficulty, they just need to be dis-/assembled in right order. hardest part is keeping track which screw goes where

[orchid iron]

depends, I'd say that as long as you have a bunch of helpful videos online about changing thermal paste and other maintenance stuff, it is quite easy

[orchid iron]

looks like you never experienced what is a dell laptop, trust me bro, if you had you'd wish they'd put 40 screws instead of whatever "specialness" they designed

[tough owl]

I've done my fair share of de-dusting old gaming laptops

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ayH93IS_WSs

could you rate from 0 (easy) to 10 (the hardest) how easy it is to change thermal paste on my laptop xD

[grave sundial]

https://www.xda-developers.com/amazons-big-spring-sale-2025/

All that stuff is on sale.

Of particular note are the Samsung Odyssey monitor and AMD Ryzen 5 5500. The Ryzen 5 9600X is also available $222.

[orchid iron]

That sale was okay, I grabbed a Samsung 870 EVO 4TB for my 10 year old laptop xD

[grave sundial]

Cool.

I saw a Samsung Evo USB 8TB drive.

Apparently, it goes up to 1GB/sec transfer speeds with USB 3.

I 😍 new tech.

[orchid iron]

Looks like AMD considers Nvidia a serious threat in the CPU market, zen6 will straight up skip 3 nm lmao

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BAnQNGs0lOc

This was incredibly insightful as to just how deep Nvidia's stupidity is for designing this stuff

AMD GPUs don't have load balancing, they don't even enforce a max power

The motherboards don't load balance between a 4pin and an 8pin

We don't hear about massive issues from them because the cables are just have THAT MUCH safety margins

Also, note for 4090 and 5090 users, you should unplug and plug back in the connector every now and then because it may slightly melt over time and if you leave it on for year(s) (like a tech review) you may find out that now the cable and the GPU connector just fused together xD

[wind egret]

So that explains why AMD hasn't adopted 12VHPWR.

[delicate crystal]

Youre not wrong. Finding international warrenty coverage is a challenge

[delicate crystal]

One reason why i was glad companies i worked for that did dell had onsite. Those things were brutual

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

Saffire and ASRock

[orchid iron]

My goodness

[delicate crystal]

but ya was asking about laptops due to the possiblity that heading to europe for a year or two might be something coming up lifewise, and bringing a desktop across the atlantic sounds painful.

also wow finding a laptop with 128gb of ram is painful

[orchid iron]

how exactly do you plan to use the laptop? Once you arrived at a place you vibe there for a while, or once you use it you take it where ever you go?

[delicate crystal]

once I'd get to a locale I'd vibe for a bit, probably months at a time.

doesn't need to be crazy portable, but it needs to be more portable then the 50lb desktop I h ave 😄

[orchid iron]

then perhaps a small form factor build could be interesting for you, some even have handles and could be transported like a suit case

[delicate crystal]

oh really? Intresting. DIdn't know that was an option

i'll freely admit small form factor is something I don't know well

[orchid iron]

me neither, I just saw some really practical cases for it and I was like:"well dang, that's a very useful design"

[delicate crystal]

hmm. Do you happen to knwo of any cases? Will see what I can stuff in there. I sense they'd be hard ot gert a decent video card into

[orchid iron]

you would be very surpised, people fit a whole dang 4090 in there

if you go for the sff build, try to get a psu with both the EU and US cable, that way you can use 220v in europe which is just way more power efficient and stable than 110v

[delicate crystal]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/wp4k8Q

damn video cards and CPU are killing me.

[orchid iron]

what if you just use the hardware you already have?

get like a 5950x and a ssf am4 mobo

[delicate crystal]

well it's all atx related. the board I think is too big for a mini itx. the ram is too old. the hd's are too small in space and the video card's only 8gbs

[orchid iron]

oof, gotta do research about mini itx before buying anything ig

some GPUs may not fit for very odd and specific reasons

[delicate crystal]

ya wouldn't surprise me. i figured the threadripper chips would be a laugh for that small of a form factor so just went with as new as I could for the Zen series. Figured Zen 5 is the way to go (is there much of a difference from Zen 4?

[orchid iron]

It was called zen5% for a reason :D
Unless you pick the x3d versions though, those are noticeably better than their zen4 predecessors

[delicate crystal]

ah ok ya those are the ones that I'm looking at. The Zen 4's aren't much better in price anyways

[wise elbow]

would probably be better off complete replacing the memory yourself

not sure about recent laptops but I know the memory controllers on some mobile CPUs from a few years ago had really poor memory support

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RmVpy6Vzpsc

[orchid iron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmods/comments/1jmjc2g/be_not_quiet_fan_for_small_form_factor_builds/

@grave sundial thanks for the fan clip inspiration, greatly helped me out

[grave sundial]

🤣

So, since OpenAI introduced the new image generator, it's been so popular that people have been spamming it to make Studio Ghibli art.

Turns out all those requests stressed and began melting their GPUs. 😄

[median marsh]

yea, even 9gag was infested 😄

[grave sundial]

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/australian-startup-cortical-labs-unveils-worlds-first-commercial-biological-computer/

Interesting read.

World's first commercial, biological computer.

[grave sundial]

Okay 😍 That's cool.

--- Actual human brain cells, living on a silicon chip among an array of input/output electrodes ---

[orchid iron]

Soon we'll be using brains to do brain things!

[wise elbow]

ai bros continuing to spin man made horrors beyond our comprehension as cool investments

[naive cloak]

human brain cells should live inside human head... 🧠

[orchid iron]

Yeah, idk why they would need physical brain cells outside of research, they aren't that fast for computing power, and I would imagine all the downsides of having biological matter in the computer would increase the failure rate of the computing components

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFebYAW6YsM

Lossless scaling duel-gpu method? 😮

[orchid iron]

Wait, I just noticed the AMD card is bigger wtf xD

[mighty patrol]

6900XT

W/ a 3090

Threat interactive just needs to use lossless scaling problem solved.

[fallen oasis]

I literally had this exact set up and didn't get 240 fps.

[mighty patrol]

With lossless scaling?

[hot whale]

So what is a good Ram size for game production with Unreal 5?

1. 8 ~ 16GB = I suppose this is the minimum requirement?
2. 32GB = Good for lighter game like pixel game?
3. 64GB = Optimal size but will need more if going bigger like large 3D game? (btw this is the size I have)
4. 96GB (biggest dual kit in 2025) = The Optimal size for large AAA grade 3D game?
5. 128GB ~ 192GB (Quad kit and biggest size for Ryzen 7 & 9) = Well I can only imagine but I guess I have absolutely no worries when I am making a really large AAA grade 3D game.

[mighty patrol]

Min 32 gb recommended 64 gb

[fallen oasis]

2x32 and then a single 1gb stick! 😄

[hot whale]

So what do you think of the estimationg I made above?

I wonder if I can run Quad kit with full RAM speed but I may need to go PBO?

[fallen oasis]

64 is more than enough, really, unless you're making some sort of open world game.

[mighty patrol]

Even then if making a 4k map should be fine no?

[fallen oasis]

Probably.

[orchid iron]

it really depends what kind of project you are working on, an easy way to somewhat estimate it is to look at the size of the assets you want to use in every map

[mighty patrol]

8k textures!

[orchid iron]

1 million polygons!

[plush turret]

volumetric clouds and fluid dynamics EVERYWHERE

[median marsh]

lately i've moved a few assets and the editor used 70GB memory

so it's quite easy to hit the limit

[delicate crystal]

lord damn video card price inflation is killing me. Saphirrie 24gb's ahve almost doubled in the last month

[plush turret]

i love my 3060

cheap as hell

[delicate crystal]

was looking at a 24gb one that someone suggested here (think it's a 7090 XTX?). Was 1300 in late january. 1800+ now

[grave sundial]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/over-100-documented-failures-of-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-the-majority-concerns-asrock-mainboards-some-of-them-fail-completely-after-only-a-few-minutes/

Here we go.

AMD shouldn't have been inspired by Intel.

[mighty patrol]

Rip

I saw these ASrock boards been having issues I just told a friend to get one lol

[grave sundial]

Easy fix. Tell him to buy TWO processors. 😄

[mighty patrol]

Like 3 months ago

They weren't having these issues then though that I saw

[grave sundial]

Did he buy a 9x3d?

[mighty patrol]

Yeah

[grave sundial]

Do you remember which board they bought?

the model?

[mighty patrol]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F6cdnp

B650M

[grave sundial]

The 600 series don't seem to be majorly affected.

[mighty patrol]

I saw it was mostly 800

Hopefully stays fine

[grave sundial]

🔥

AMD is releasing the 9000G APU processor soon for desktops.

Unfortunately.....

They are putting in an 860M, instead of the super cool 8060s.

😠

Disclaimer: These are from leaks. It might be LIES from SPIES!

[mighty patrol]

Who leaks these things!

[grave sundial]

Leaky boats, probably.

[orchid iron]

XFX 7900 XTX Mag air Mercury

The Nvidia Ai pro 7090 XTX is not yet released xD

[mighty patrol]

Hows this for hardware? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKAa535sXEk

[orchid iron]

Now that's based hardware

Careful not to break your neko neko knee caps xD

https://youtube.com/shorts/nWJbpit5xuw?si=xj-T0rWhlEsEZhkw

Comment:"Noc tuah, air cool that thang"

[grave sundial]

For those using NVidia Broadcast 2.0 and getting many 'high GPU utilisation' notifications, go to NVidia's Control Panel and 'Manage Program Settings'. Select NVidia Broadcast as the specific program and change the settings as shown in the screenshot.

The app is wrongly reporting GPU usage in the Task Manager and triggering annoying notifications about high GPU. These control panel settings will make that stop.

[wise elbow]

I wonder if the dead AMD CPUs are due to voltage limits? I recently built with an ASUS boards and the default voltages that the CPU were drawing are in the range that cause degredation

[orchid iron]

what kind of voltage did you see?

[wise elbow]

~1.45V

anything above 1.2V causes degradation afaik

[orchid iron]

depends on the design, the issue with the intel 13th and 14th gen (based on 12th gen) is that the rig bus was using the same rail as the cores', and it just so happened that the engineers that designed 12th gen were worried about frying the rig bus with core voltages, so they put quite a few securities in place...Which were removed so more powered could be allocated

I have no clue about the ryzen limits though, but I would imagine that if it was due to degradation, they wouldn't break so fast, even the 13Th and 14th gen took over a few months to show signs of failure

remember the whole 7800x3D incidents? Probably another one of these where a software fix would probably get rid of the issue, in the meantime, I would not use the recent CPUs until AMD confirmed this is resolved

[grave sundial]

I think it's just ASUS mobos, no?

I haven't heard this happening with MSI or Giga.

[grave sundial]

https://japantoday.com/category/tech/chinese-brain-chip-project-speeds-up-human-trials-after-first-success

The other Musk.

[orchid iron]

I think they may have different objectives than Musk though xD

[grave sundial]

One will send us to mine precious earth minerals on the nearby asteroid belt. The other will send us to mine precious earth minerals in the world's deepest hole.

[candid frost]

Did i make a mistake by buying 27inch 1080p monitor with 240hz

I bought it for gaming tho

[grave sundial]

Why do you think it's a mistake? Or what makes you uneasy with the purchase?

🚬

Le shrink is in the house

[candid frost]

its not that im unhappy, i saw on reddit that not many people buy 27inch monitors with 1080p resoultion they mostly go for 4k in that size

[grave sundial]

I wouldn't mind them. What I'd focus on is

1. Picture Quality
2. Colour Quality
3. Eye strain
4. Gaming Happiness

If my monitor ticks all those for me, then I am a very happy person.

Of course, if it enhances my productivity, that's a big plus too.

[median marsh]

are you sure it's 1080p?

i think most 27" are 1440?

[candid frost]

nah its 2k

[median marsh]

i think 2k is fine

[delicate crystal]

neither will bring anything of use.

[grave sundial]

Actually, both will cause a not trivial reduction in population, provided the activities continue for a significant period of time.

[orchid iron]

1440p is becoming the standard in gaming, the guys that say 4k is better have way too much disposable income or have no idea what they are talking about

[tough owl]

but what if ultrawide

[orchid iron]

9001x1440?

[mighty patrol]

Maybe if everything supported ultra wide.

I find some games and apps function odd on ultrawides

[grave sundial]

Me use ultrawide. Very ultra, very wide. 😄

It's 3.5k resolution and honestly, I don't see all that big a difference between resolutions, other than the image being sharper.

The HDR colours and eye safety features (whether they actually work or not) feel great on my MSI Optix/Optrix.

[mighty patrol]

How much was that beast 2k usd

[grave sundial]

$357.30 US. 😄

[mighty patrol]

What

No way

[grave sundial]

Yes way.

https://www.amazon.in/MSI-342CQR-E2-Curved-Monitor/dp/B0DFHHX1Y7

I think this is a later model.

It's a bit cheaper.

$298.

[mighty patrol]

nb

[grave sundial]

It's very nice. But yeah, I am not as impressed with higher resolutions as other, more modern people are.

The screen realty is VERY nice. HDR is fine and dandy. Everything else... meh.

[mighty patrol]

I mostly want low ms

My current ultra wide is 4ms

It's also like 5 years old

[grave sundial]

Are you competing in FPS games?

[mighty patrol]

I sometimes play cs:2

[grave sundial]

Ah.

[mighty patrol]

Not often but

I do notice it

[grave sundial]

Perfectly understandable.

You need it for competitive FPS.

[mighty patrol]

Also notice it in some pve games

When it's faster pace

Strategy or w.e

It's great

10/10

Anything quick pace just falls apart

Probably why I dislike dlss so much lol

[grave sundial]

From 175Hz upwards, even MSI monitors become expensive.

The MAG 341CQP is about $600.

[mighty patrol]

Ngl I was looking at https://www.newegg.ca/msi-mpg-321urx-qd-oled-32-uhd-240-hz/p/N82E16824475357

[grave sundial]

If you're okay with a VA panel instead of an IPS panel, ACER has a really cheap UWQHD monitor with 1MS.

https://www.amazon.in/Acer-ED343CUR-3440x1440-Backlight-Lighting/dp/B0CYCG7WKY

[mighty patrol]

But it's like 1200 usd

[grave sundial]

This one is $245.

[mighty patrol]

Would be a good monitor for years

[grave sundial]

If you are okay with 180Hz, check the Acer.

Way cheaper. 1Ms. 3.5k res.

[mighty patrol]

My current monitor is acer

[grave sundial]

Yes, but with FOUR MS.

This one gets you ONE. 😄

[mighty patrol]

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/acer-predator-z35

Almost broke it first month I had it

Spilt water on it moving my chair backwards

[grave sundial]

🤔

Imagining that scenario in my head is confusing.

[mighty patrol]

I had a bigger cup and physics

Waves were occuring

[grave sundial]

But you were moving.... backwards?

[mighty patrol]

Now I no longer keep drinks near my computers

Yes

With a cup in hand

[grave sundial]

Well, this is why we have intravenous syringe systems.

[mighty patrol]

Your right

I should have it setup w/ my pc when it turns on

[grave sundial]

proper stabbity stabbing is required.

[mighty patrol]

Will make anything difficult for sure

[wise elbow]

VA panel 😓

[tough owl]

Samsung VA panels are no joke

I went from LG IPS panel to Samsung G5 Odyssey (VA) and I gotta say the samsung has better contrast

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-34-Inch-Ultra-Wide-FreeSync-LC34G55TWWNXZA/dp/B08MVBYWGQ

[mighty patrol]

Samsung monitors seem to be not bad

[tough owl]

they suffer from bad QA like most other manufacturers too

and I believe they've had curved panels snap in half from thermal expansion, so that's something to keep in mind if you live in a warm place

[grave sundial]

I have a usb fan pointed at my monitor all the time.

Those cheap ones on Amazon have some seriously high rpm.

[open lintel]

My desktop doesn't boot up, doesn't show up BIOS screen, but the lights on cabinet lit up on start, been having this since a few times now. So I removed the cmos battery, is it dead now?

[mighty patrol]

Is that a reflection or wear and tear?

Looks like it's seen better days

[open lintel]

the white on it isn't reflection

[mighty patrol]

https://lifehacker.com/quickly-test-coin-cell-batteries-with-diy-battery-testi-1701639940

[open lintel]

it might be a decade old.

[mighty patrol]

Then just replace

Surpising it lasted that long

[open lintel]

it might be found in any electric shop that has batteries, right?

[mighty patrol]

Yeah or dollar stores

Maybe even convenience stores depending on your location

7-11 often has them

Paying more ofc

But it's the joy of getting it anytime

[open lintel]

just checked, Amazon sells a packet of 5 for about 2 dollars. About the uses for other 4...

[mighty patrol]

Not many devices use them

[orchid iron]

Installing a new mobo battery will be beneficial, however it may not be the only problem, hopefully it is though

[north arch]

I bought a 100 pack recently because a lot of my stuff does.

Many stores in my area carry them too. Best buy, gas stations, walmart, home depot, walgreens, grocery stores, usually singly packaged batteries hanging by the register.

[orchid iron]

Funny how there are more listings of the 9070 and 9070 xt in EU for an actually okay prices (usually 200-300€ above MSRP because these cards have to travel more distances to reach EU, plus EU taxes)
Meanwhile I couldn't find a listing in the US xD

[wise elbow]

the only other things i see coin cell battery used for are remotes and firearms

[orchid iron]

Imagine if we've been talking to a serial killer this whole time xD

[worldly kettle]

I have a lot of them in 3D DLP projector glasses, an anemometer, bike speedometers, remote detonators, totally normal stuff.

[fallen oasis]

I'm a cereal killer.

[wise elbow]

captain crunch is dead

[north arch]

several scales, my lora-based temperature sensors, reflex optics, my wife's tracking tags on her keys, the reptile enclosure environment sensors we use to monitor the chicken hatchery...

[orchid iron]

Trump likely gonna do something about ticket rock concert scalpers...I'm hoping he'll do something about scalpers in general woudl be great

[mighty patrol]

Scalping needs to die

[median marsh]

oh, 9070XT is at 780euro here, which is very close to MSRP!?

[orchid iron]

I know right!

[vocal mulch]

Hey guys. I have a particular use case and I could use your suggestions.

I use a MacBook Air M2 (8GB, Wi-Fi 6) as my web dev machine, but I also use Unreal Engine for game dev work. My RTX 2080 laptop recently died, and instead of buying a new Windows laptop, I want to build a small form factor PC for UE dev and remote into it.

Why? I don’t have space for monitors or peripherals, so I need to stream the entire Windows desktop to my MacBook over Wi-Fi 6 (no Ethernet). Mac is perfect for my web dev work and I wonder if I can get away without having to buy entire windows laptop too just for game dev work. Is parsec/moonlight there yet?

My main needs:

Low-latency streaming (for coding, UE dev, 3D sculpting).

Good image quality (4:2:2 or 4:4:4 if feasible).

Wacom tablet support (pressure & tilt).

No issues with scaling on macOS.

I’m considering Parsec or Moonlight (open to alternatives) but unsure about:

Latency and input delay on Wi-Fi 6.

If Wacom works properly over remote streaming.

thunking for a 1440p60 4:2:2 stream.

[orchid iron]

Have you looked into perhaps plugging the computer into your MacBook Air to use the peripherals of your MacBook?
Because streaming depends heavily on your WiFi router, how far is it, how good is it, is internet stable all the time etc
But of you can manage to have a physical connection on both machines instead, it would make things way more simple

[vocal mulch]

Thanks for reply, well, I wasn't thinking of direct wire as it's supposed to be more of an itx case put away somewhere and use local wifi to stream. I don't intend to use it over the internet, I intend to use if local wifi with same router within the walls. But not over the internet, direct wireless wlan.

[orchid iron]

Yeah, that's what I understood, but in that specific case, is wireless a requirement?
Because even if you wanted to stream using the router, you would get the best results using ethernet cables
But if we are able to introduce wires in the equation, perhaps there is a way for you to have the mini ITX case somewhere else while plugging it into your MacBook, wires can be quite long

[orchid iron]

I'm bringing this up, because it would make latency almost non existent, and the streaming quality would basically be as high as your Mac book's screen could handle
And best of all, you wouldn't even need to allocate your router's resources for any of it

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/82_8US_i3gw

I don't think it is just one, but okay xD

https://youtube.com/shorts/Rk7KfXy2sXI?si=ZMsV3LIwgsgjt_RO

Found the first part

[mighty patrol]

Lol

[wise elbow]

confused as to why itx is a requirement when you're remoting into the computer

itx is as big as a toaster and will probably fit wherever you shove it

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDpo_o7dR8c

Finally AI is actually useful for society

[north arch]

just because it's against criminals doesn't make it not s crime

[median marsh]

also those people don't vanish

they will just do other crimes

if that's useful for society is another question...

[vocal mulch]

Hey thanks for your time responding mate. Thing is, I currently have only one place where I can put my itx case, near in or top of tv cabinet, fiber that runs to my house is on the same wall and that's where router placement is. So it's easy for me to run a connection to itx from there. The house I'm in is an apartment and there's no cable run in the walls. Country I'm from from, they don't do a good job of Ethernet wiring around the house. I don't even know what speed corrent house Ethernet lines running are operating at. So obviously I can't sit next to tv cabinet to work. Where I sit on sofa (in front of tv, the opposite wall basically) has no righernrt outlet. Nor does my room. So even if I want to do wires, I can't. Only way I can have a wired Ethernet connection is if I take a long wire from the tv/router wall and basically sit on the sofa and leave it running from middle of the floor which is a tripping hazard and not ideal :p that's the reason that I can't do a wired connection. Hence I was looking into some fast router based local wifi parsec setup. Is ping really that high for development if I'm not using internet and using wifi for this task. I read 20-50ms depending on quality and bandwidth availability of the router. So I wanted to know if anyone has run such a setup and how the experience has been. I mean if it's not possible and I have to have to do a wired connection, I might as well take a portable display and work on that but idea of sitting near my tv unit in front of the tv doesnr sound enticing. It has everything to do with my apartment construction layout. 🙁 Thanks for your time reading this though.

[vocal mulch]

I'm okay with router resource being used, I wouldn't mind beefing up my router, but idea of wireless makes it sounds a little more convenient and gives me room to move around the house if I don't wanna be sitting at the same space.

[vocal mulch]

Am just trying to minimize space tbh. It all has to do w space. It's a small apartment and only corner where I have electricity line run for correct amperage that can handle the pc requirements. I have no other plug points where I can take my itx and keep as only other 2 points are: 1 near the sofa in front of tv but no space to our computer as sofa takes up all the space. And
2: bedroom near the bedside. I cant use that space as it would get even more cluncky and space constrained to walk through. I know this sounds limited but this is for 1 year of my work, I will be taking a proper house w 2 rooms where I'll simply have a proper study room to put computer in and work. Hence I asked for itx w parsec setup.

[orchid iron]

for just 1 year, I don't know if it is even worth getting anything, either wait that 1 year or fix the 2080 laptop

because that 2080 laptop can be reused into a hardware testing platform to see how people with 20 series cards handle your project

[vocal mulch]

Aight, I will look into getting that fixed. I think in that case I should just look into getting a new windows laptop

[orchid iron]

that will depend on repair costs, I wish you find a good repair shop

[wise elbow]

also worth mentioning that its pretty hard to get decent graphics cards rn if you were to build your own pc

[mighty patrol]

Just buy a 5090

[grave sundial]

So, if you are an Amazon Prime member, you have a better chance of buying 3D cards now on their site.

They are reserving stock for Prime members apparently.

https://en.overclocking.com/amd-speaks-out-on-ryzen-9000x3d-problems/

So, avoid ASRock stuff for now.

[mighty patrol]

Likely caused by too much voltage

[grave sundial]

9070 12GB GRE card is being designed to undercut the RTX 5070, for the Chinese market. Pegged at $420-ish.

[grave sundial]

I love that MSI limited the voltage on their mobos - or at least the one I purchased. 😄

[mighty patrol]

As they should

[wise elbow]

motherboards crank the fuckiing voltage on ryzen cpus stock

my asus motherboard was running my 9950x3d at over 1.45V with new bios. wtf???

[grave sundial]

This jives with what I read before buying my new PC several months ago.

I was happy to know MSI limited the voltage.

I think you can limit the voltage on your mobo in BIOS, no?

[wise elbow]

i turned it down

1.45V is 100% in the range of causing meaningful degredation

idfk why they set it so high

probably so really high frequency memory overclocks work?

i suspect thats why EXPO kits have better success with x870/e boards when compared to b650 and x670

im on a x670e board btw

[grave sundial]

If I remember correctly, at the time of the 7000x3D whatever series, it was about overclocking and 'performance gains' out of the box.

Now, I don't know why they keep doing it.

They must love 🔥

[mighty patrol]

How could you not

[orchid iron]

Yeah wtf, now that's pretty bad

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/mfQbbPT4pVY?si=fKoXBp8b2z6-p7ON

Is this accurate?

[wise elbow]

in my experience VA looks awful for games so it's either OLED, IPS, or TN

[orchid iron]

Yeah, ghosting sounds awful for games

[tough owl]

I got used to the ghosting pretty fast

[wise elbow]

oled would be a no brainer if it didnt burn-in

[dapper hornet]

Hi guys! I'm starting to think to get a new laptop, mostly for Unreal development, work (programming) and occasional gaming. If money is not a problem, any recommendations as to what is worth getting currently?
For reference, my current laptop is an Asus Rog G713, Ryzen 7 5800, RTX3060.

My requirements would be:

• 17 or 18 inches display, ideally 4k (don't care about refresh rate)
• 64Gb RAM
• Ideally +2 hard drive slots

[tough owl]

no, 50-series laptops are hot overpriced garbage

[wise elbow]

i would really advise getting a desktop if possible

your current laptop already seems really good

[dapper hornet]

Mmm I travel frequently so a desktop is usually less convenient

[dapper hornet]

yeah tbh I don't need a change, but I like shinny new things lol

[wise elbow]

probably the biggest issue with laptops is the limited vram

a mobile 4090 only has 16gb, everything else is below that

mobile 4090 doesnt even perform as well as a desktop 4080 iirc

[tough owl]

ofc it doesn't because nvidia squeezes all the performance gains by throwing more power at the problem

which suprise, doesn't work for laptops

[dapper hornet]

I mean thinking about it I could keep my current laptop instead of selling it, and buying a desktop

[wise elbow]

thats what i would do personally but up 2 you

your current laptop is more than capable of doing work with unreal engine

[dapper hornet]

ohh ye, no complaints honestly, I'm super happy with it

[tough owl]

there is option B: Ryzen™ Al Max+ 395 laptops, which aren't out yet

[wise elbow]

eh, those are going to be very expensive and while the integrated graphics performance seems like it will be good, it likely still wont even be as good as a 4060

[tough owl]

if there is believing in notebook check, it actually beats 4060 mobile

• you can decide vram amount because it's integrated

[dapper hornet]

I never had a desktop, is it nowadays still worth to buy per parts?

[tough owl]

desktop GPUs are so expensive right now

[wise elbow]

desktop building rn blows ass

impossible to get a gpu

[dapper hornet]

ahhh

yeah I think I heard about it

[wise elbow]

a good deal on a prebuild wouldnt be bad? but i'd be surprised if theres big supply of them

gpu supply and pricing will probably stabilize in coming months

[tough owl]

😆

[dapper hornet]

idk, I'm in Spain, I see some supply on GPUs but idk if the deals are good or those cards in particular are decent, there are so many variants

[wise elbow]

the variants of each GPU don't mean anything performance wise

[dapper hornet]

I guess, it's just confusing for a noob like me hahaha

[orchid iron]

Epic, you guys have actual real supply, unlike most of the world xD

Still 200€ over what the regular price should be though

[orchid iron]

Performance doesn't change by a meaningful amount in between different variants, however, if you pick the worst onces, you'll get something that breaks fast, annoy af to repair, and also get horrible customer service

Imma be real, if you travel a lot, just wait a few months, prices aren't ideal, and soon more budget friendly options will be available and get a laptop

[tough owl]

that's the problem, you're stuck with 5070 (or Ti models) which are currently +500$ more expensive than their 40-series equivalents, and given the shortage on everything prices are unlikely to go down this year

[dapper hornet]

yeah then I will probably wait for a bit before doing anything, thanks all for the advice 🙂

[random bane]

My computer shuts down every 5 minutes on its own for no apparent reason, and sometimes it turns on and off repeatedly at the same time. Does anyone know the solution?

[north arch]

have you ever cleaned the dust out of it?

is the line voltage switch set correctly?

[random bane]

There is no dust in it, it is considered new with excellent specifications, Windows has been installed for a month

[orchid iron]

Did you check temps?

Is the fan running at max speed?

[random bane]

Yes, the temperature is considered excellent without any problems according to the results of HWMonitor.

[orchid iron]

Laptop or desktop?

[grave sundial]

Check your power plan settings.

Is Window set to hibernate/sleep in 5 minutes or something?

Also, check if Windows Update is downloading or installing something.

[random bane]

I checked it there is no sleep

[random bane]

Pc

[orchid iron]

Pc means Personal Computer

Could be laptop or desktop

(or phone and console, but we are talking about windows xD )

[grave sundial]

Did you make any changes to your BIOS settings recently, or when you set it up for the first time?

Also, is this an ASRock motherboard with an AMD 9x processor?

[random bane]

Yes I updated a month ago, and there were no problems, but now the problem has appeared

[grave sundial]

Okay. If you are able to load Windows correctly, check the Event Viewer.

[random bane]

What do you mean?

[grave sundial]

From the many logs available, you should be able to see a log that talks about why the computer shut down last.

[random bane]

I tried to read it, but the computer restarted itself so many times it wouldn't stop, and I couldn't read it.

[north arch]

If you live in north america, your line voltage is about 115V. If the switch is set to 230V, it could briefly work but hiccup repeatedly.

[grave sundial]

It's a switch like this.

[north arch]

if your line voltage is NOT 100-127V or so, do NOT use that setting as catastrophic failure is likely, so be sure

[mighty patrol]

Do you have global c-states enabled in bios?

If you do, you could try disabling that. Worked for me when I had a similar issue.

[random bane]

I don't have this button, but I use a 250v, 13A wire and the electricity at home is 220v, is this okay?

[mighty patrol]

Also probably a good idea to look at reliability history in windows.

[grave sundial]

That's like mine. Then you won't have that button.

Okay, try booting into Windows Safe Mode.

You should be able to read the event viewer there.

If it reboots the computer again even in safe mode, then it's probably a hardware problem.

[random bane]

I didn't change anything in the BIOS, but I remember that a while ago this message suddenly appeared to me and I chose the first option

[mighty patrol]

😮

Do you overclock at all?

[random bane]

I didn't do it, but maybe I did it by mistake.

[mighty patrol]

When I just had xmp there was no issues.

Wasn't till I used pbo that I encounted the crashes

Which disabling global c-states fixed the crashes.

[orchid iron]

Clearing CMOS would also clear any unexpected settings

[mighty patrol]

Hard reset bios is always a good option

[orchid iron]

Time to do the usual hardware debugging,

Clear CMOS

Move a RAM stick around the ram Slots, then the other

Try to use integrated graphics, what is your CPU?

Attempt to use a different storage and install windows on it to rule out storage failure

Check all power connections

And if after all that, it still fails, the culprit is either CPU or mobo

[random bane]

So is it because of the overclocking? If I tried to turn it on and read the events before it stopped, would there be no problem?

[orchid iron]

if you can turn on the computer for a while, you may be able to do various things to debug it, first clear CMOS to remove odd BIOS settings, then probably remove any programs overclocking your computer

[random bane]

I replaced the power supply cable, and it's working without any problems
But, I don't know if this is temporary or permanent.

I also haven't found any overclocking software on my device
But, I don't know if my device has an overclock or not, and how to remove it. Is clearing the CMOS sufficient?

I also haven't turned on the internet yet, and I have a slight suspicion that there's a virus running on my device's internet

@grave sundial @north arch @mighty patrol

[orchid iron]

Keep using it for now, and monitor if anything break, if the failure was on PSU side it is better

[random bane]

So far it's working fine, it seems the problem was due to a faulty power supply cable 👍 🙂

On this beautiful occasion, I have another problem that I have been suffering from for a long time. I would like to hear your opinion, guys, if you don’t mind

I have a strange mouse lag that happens to me even when I'm on the desktop.
I don't know if it's due to the mouse or the computer.
Even though all computer tests are fine, I checked everything in CPUID HWMonitor, and everything seems fine. Also, Windows 11 has been installed for a month and doesn't have many files.

[orchid iron]

If it still happens no matter the mouse, it is mouse acceleration, disable that

[random bane]

Forget the mouse, the sudden reboot problem is back

[wise elbow]

latency like that sounds like your cpu is getting eaten up or just isnt working fully?

[north arch]

First of all, of course the internet has viruses, but I don't know of anything that runs on the internet (that'd be a really cool trick honestly, and would probably involve multiple very serious 0-day exploits). If a device on your local intranet has a virus, that's a different matter. Why do you think this?

I talked with my brother about this a bit. He agrees you likely need a new psu.

[random bane]

Maybe the wattage in the power supply is less than what the computer needs? Or maybe there is a problem with the electrical connection?

[wise elbow]

psu failures will usually just shut the entire pc down

unless theres a bad connector somewhere

[random bane]

The problem is when the computer starts up, it doesn't give me any information explaining the cause of the error. I need to try a number of things myself until I find out the cause

[north arch]

and it doesn't reboot so much as lose power and regain power

this indicates an SMPS hiccuping

[random bane]

I think part of the text is missing, what do you mean?

[north arch]

reboot implies, with a computer, a clean OS shutdown

[delicate crystal]

So posted up a server that i bought for a job that I was laid off of like a month later, and while posting the ad, got to thinking, what the heck could i use it for if it's going to be tough to sell?

For reference, these are the specs
2 X E5-2699 V4 Intel Processers w/ 44 cores
512GB RAM ECC
8 X 4Tb SAS drives
2 X PSU for redundancy

Anyone have any ideas?

[grave sundial]

The hard drive space makes me think of a nice Perforce server.

You know, for project backup redundancy.

[orchid iron]

Can you put a GPU on this thing xD

Because I'm pretty sure you just got a pretty good workstation computer right there

You aimed for 256gb of ram and got double...as ECC!!!

[orchid iron]

Try the long list I wrote, and attempt to boot in between each action

[orchid iron]

This one

[wise elbow]

you could probably set it up as a build accelerator

also holy crap batman those are some expensive cpus

the CPUs are probably comparatively slow for daily use but would be great for really anything else

[delicate crystal]

Dumb question but whats that?

And ya theyre not cgeap. Whole thing was 3k but it was for the old job using it for a vmware home lab.

[delicate crystal]

Looked into it, it didnt look good for that from what info i found.

[orchid iron]

What about trying anyways on a drive?

[delicate crystal]

Sorry im not understanding what you mean?

[orchid iron]

Installing a normal OS on a drive and plugging in a GPU to see how it does as a workstation in the real world

Now windows will probably be cringe unless you pay a tone of money, so probably installing Linux would be better, and trying it out on that

[plush turret]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CY2HMZ4T time to flaunt my wifi to the neighbors

[wise elbow]

basically do your compilation on the server but do the programming on your local machine

for really big things like unreal engine it would probably go pretty fast and free up your machine for the hour or two it compiles

[median marsh]

imho sell it as long as it's worth something

if you need a build server you would know

[wise elbow]

^

[random bane]

The computer actually works and enters Windows, but after about 10 minutes it starts restarting itself repeatedly for no apparent reason. I also tried clearing the cmos memory, and the same problem.

[orchid iron]

what's your cpu?

[random bane]

i9-14900K

[orchid iron]

yup, there we go, that's the problem

buy a cheap 12th gen cpu and check if your pc works, very likely it'll work

(13th and 14th gen, especially the higher end models were known to have increased degradation due to elevated voltages)

one of the symptoms could get as bad as what you are experiencing

[random bane]

So what is the solution for this processor?

I mean, if it turns out that the problem is caused by the high voltage in the processor, then what will be the solution? Note that the processor is considered new

[orchid iron]

undervolt it by quite a lot, and set max ram speed to 4400 (2200 in BIOS because it is double data rate) or less

there should be a power profile called "baseline" that one should be fine plus do the ram speed reduction

[north arch]

file a warranty claim with the PC manufacturer maybe

[random bane]

It seems that I ruined the device more 😂, I set the processor voltage from the BIOS to 1.250v, and now it won't enter Windows and a blue screen appears. I even tried formatting it from the flash drive, but the blue screen still appears

[mighty patrol]

Thats because your windows has the error.

Look into medicat

If you have another pc and a usb with approx 40+ gb you can diagnose it with that

[random bane]

I have another pc with a 30GB USB.

[mighty patrol]

Can't recall the full req for medicat

But it has the requirements on their site.

[grave sundial]

China's Loongson has joined the AI CPU chips market, apparently.

Yay for more competition. 😄

[orchid iron]

That should be a normal operating voltage, the fact that changed anything at all increases the likelihood the CPU is to blame

Although it is also possible on its way out, it corrupted the OS, which is recoverable, but you'll have to find a storage component to install windows on a boot into in the meantime

(if recovery doesn't work)

[tough owl]

is it 1.25 base or 1.25 boost

[random bane]

I have good news. I set the processor voltage in the BIOS back to auto, and the blue screen issue has been resolved. It turns out that simply pressing the reset button in the BIOS or clearing the CMOS isn’t enough to fix everything

Also, the mouse freezing issue has been solved. It turned out that the high DPI setting on the gaming mouse was the cause, so I lowered it

As for the initial problem that caused the computer to restart repeatedly and suddenly, it has disappeared. I don’t know why; the problem appeared suddenly and then vanished just as unexpectedly

[orchid iron]

yup, that's the intel instability issues for ya, it may get worse and worse unless you have latest bios with brand new cpus

if you used these cpus before intel addressed the issues it is quite likely they got degraded

[mighty patrol]

Its not the code guys remember it's the user.

[grave sundial]

These are all features.

[mighty patrol]

I joke in all seriousness Intel wack lately.

[orchid iron]

oh yeah, for sure for sure, it is the user's fault for not knowing how to computer

[grave sundial]

Remember, manufacturers improve them as literacy incentives.

[orchid iron]

computer do computer things

scary spooky

[grave sundial]

You are encouraged to learn computer troubleshooting thereby.

[mighty patrol]

Exactly everyone who owns one should do endless amounts of research on the topic

[orchid iron]

yup ^^

[mighty patrol]

and expect everything to break almost on a weekly basis.

[orchid iron]

lmao

[mighty patrol]

Because windows 11

[grave sundial]

Like, learning how to use a fire extinguisher is an essential skill.

[mighty patrol]

Those still exist?

[grave sundial]

Okay, you can use the Force.

But, to the same ends.

[mighty patrol]

Everyone just has fire suppression systems nowadays

[grave sundial]

Sure. I always shout, "Red Alert," when I want a fire extinguished.

THEN, I go for the fire extinguisher.

[mighty patrol]

"Fire in the hole"

[grave sundial]

Only then.... do it properly or else...

[mighty patrol]

So your saying with new computers we need a fire extinguisher on hand

[grave sundial]

Preinstalled in the case, is preferrable.

With twin hoses pointed at the CPU and AMD, respectively.

[mighty patrol]

Built in fire suppression systems for all pcs

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_-LMc0GpblE?si=omgEEqlp_rYfF7g0

this is next step

[mighty patrol]

Freeze all components next

[random bane]

Do you mean the cpu was the cause of the reboot? If yes, what's the solution? Will updating the BIOS solve the problem?

[orchid iron]

Yeah, from what you said it feels like 95% is due to it

So intel did new micro code updates, so check your bios version of the mobo you have online, check if you have latest stable version, it will help avoid worsening further

So how long have you been using it?
Do you use air cooler or AIO?
Around when did you last update bios?

Those 3 questions will give a decent estimate how much left is in your CPU

[wise elbow]

most of the cpu degredation didnt cause consistent and blatant crashes though, right?

[mighty patrol]

https://wccftech.com/intel-14th-gen-13th-gen-cpu-instability-issues-forces-game-studio-to-switch-to-amd-advises-customers-same/

[mighty patrol]

Apparently it did for these guys

Their dedi servers had constant crashes

[wise elbow]

guess they invested in alderon hardware

[orchid iron]

unironically having an air cooler would thermal throttle the cpu, avoiding it pulling too much wattage

[orchid iron]

https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/samsung-9100-pro-8-tb.d2321

8 tb gen 5 SSD with 8gb of ram and double the random iops speed as the 990 pro

[grave sundial]

More TBs. MOAR!!!

[orchid iron]

Over 1k$

[grave sundial]

No worries. There'll be Chinese alternatives.

[orchid iron]

Oh yeah, 4800 tbw, so about 600 tbw per terrabyte, which is much better than WD's offering

https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/micron-4600-4-tb.d2315

Price to performance king right there if this is below 200

https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/sabrent-rocket-enterprise-pcie-4-0-u-2-nvme-31-tb.d2330

Perfectly normal nvme

[grave sundial]

I have always been surprised by Sabrent prices.

Sky high here.

Corsair and Adata have 8TBs for $1,000.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

An informative article for reference.

[orchid iron]

Doesn't seem to have 9070 xt

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXoUsdSAnA&pp=0gcJCX4JAYcqIYzv

How the turns have tabled

Wait,why does it seems like Steve is doing a JoJo pose

[delicate crystal]

For the intel chips, does that apply to their mobile/laptop ones?

[wise elbow]

supposedly no

[wise elbow]

is there even a reason to get a pcie5 nvme?

[median marsh]

afaik some boards allow to use them with 2 lanes, so you can have more on the fast CPU pci ex lanes

[orchid iron]

Nope, pcie Gen 4 SSDs have almost same performance in most daily tasks

[orchid iron]

If it is the high end ones, yes, somewhat
If it is low to mid end, it'll be fine, I have a 13th gen intel nuc and it hasn't shown any signs of instability...also I disabled any performance settings I could in the bios because it was hitting 80°C in idle

[delicate crystal]

Hmm ok debating a 13th gen i9 13950 so wondered

[orchid iron]

If you wanna minimise the risks of your laptop going up in flames, always use power save and disable intel boosts, that basically guarantees it'll be fine
Since the micro code that pushed elevated voltages was in the intel boosts algorithms

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-siwa-h3-podcast-h3-show-jojo-siwa-ethan-klein-jojo-siwa-ethan-gif-14339150245812779403

Honestly, I hope their stock plummets all the way down until they course correct this “let’s focus on AI and release shitty, limited QTY cards and software for the gaming/game dev side”

[orchid iron]

stock depends on data center clients, not avreage consumer

[violet spade]

Not saying they are related

I just said I hope they keep suffering until they stop doing this usual corpo shit of riding the brand

[orchid iron]

same

[wise elbow]

I can't imagine big companies have been too happy either

driver issues and general hardware defects likely affect everyone

[orchid iron]

I now get massive FPS Drops in UE and games xD

After complaining about drivers

[mighty patrol]

Studio drivers?

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLHC2_gByQ8

[orchid iron]

Idk if there are studio drivers on linux

[mighty patrol]

What a move to let him lift that by himself

[mighty patrol]

Studio drivers are just the most stable drivers

For specific versions, you can visit the NVIDIA Linux drivers page, which lists the latest Production Branch version for Linux x64 (AMD64/EM64T) as 570.133.07 as of the last update

[wise elbow]

the whole studio/gaming driver split is dumb

just make them stable

[mighty patrol]

Gaming ones typically reserved for newer release patches

Which often causes other issues

It seems

Or expanding g sync on newer monitors

[random bane]

I've been using it for about 6 months.
Used a cooler.
The BIOS updated a month ago.

Guys, I have a problem with the buzzing sound in the power supply. It only occurs in certain wires.
I want to buy a new wire, but how do I know which wire specifications are good enough to avoid buzzing?

[north arch]

you need a new power supply

if it's arcing over or the sound is from the power supply, you're doubtful qualified to not die fixing it

[random bane]

I think it's just a sound caused by an incompatible cable. I also have another PC, and when I use a bad cable with it, a buzzing sound or something resembling an electrical frequency noise occurs.

[north arch]

a cable is highly unlikely to be "incompatible"

If it'z buzzing with no load applied, it's all kinds of bad in all the bad ways. If it's buzzing with a load connected, you likely have a bad crimp and need to replace it with a reputable, quality one

but I still put my money on the PSU

[random bane]

I didn't find any clear evidence of a fault in the power supply. I also checked the electrical output using specialized software, and everything seems fine, such as HWMonitor and HWiNFO.

[north arch]

That's not specialized software. It's also not suitable for ruling out a power supply fault (a computer lacks adequate instrumentation to do such a task without external hardware), however it can find SOME problems, but far from all. What were you looking for when you looked for a fault in the power supply? Any visual inspection or probing with a meter and oscilloscope?

[median marsh]

that really sounds like you either have a really bad cable, or a cold soldering on the PSU circuit, which is more likely...

and nothing you can fix on your own

[mighty patrol]

https://www.404media.co/framework-stops-selling-some-of-its-laptops-in-the-u-s-due-to-tariffs/

tfw American businesses are going out of business due to tariffs advertised to help American businesses

Saw this in another discord made me chuckle.

[median marsh]

razer apparently also cancelled all orders within US

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1jrghjv/razer_is_cancelling_laptop_pre_orders_from/

now they slowly start to realize that the tax payers have to pay those taxes, not the companies affected by them...

[orchid iron]

@random bane wait a minute don't tell me you mix and matched cables from a different PSU did you?

Also, you just said "cooler" for the CPU cooler, not if it is an air cooler or a water cooler like an AIO

Also also, what is your PSU?

[orchid iron]

If they start selling in EU that would be a big W for me xD

Always wanted their stuff

[mighty patrol]

Hopefully one day

[orchid iron]

Tbh I highly doubt high tariffs are the long term plan, what's more likely is that they are used as negotiating chips to force other countries to reduce their tarifs on the US so that they can "match" them

Give it a year or two and everything will be back to normal or better

Unless companies went backrupt before then, in which case that's an L

[wise elbow]

depends on the good. the goal with certain industries is to try and force them into the us in which case prices will just always be higher

[mighty patrol]

I mean Elon is already complaining about it it seems so time will tell.

Making his hardware cost more too

He relying heavily on China

[wise elbow]

tariffs only work because they raise prices which decreases demand

[mighty patrol]

Among other places

[wise elbow]

we're kinda lucky in the US in a sense that we spend most our money on consumption as opposed to anything else. it's because most things are cheap as shit

IMO a lot of prices are artificially low because they rely on inhumane work practices. something something no ethical consumption under capitalism

[orchid iron]

Yup, I would be glad if TEMU got tariffed to oblivion xD

[random bane]

I haven't tried other diagnostic methods; I only used the programs I told you about. I also used AI to interpret the analysis reports, and it told me that all the hardware is in excellent condition.

[random bane]

Oh, maybe you're right.

[random bane]

Yes I used other cables, don't blame me, laziness is the reason

[mighty patrol]

That's not a good idea

https://ericscomputerservices.com/mixing-modular-psu-cables-can-kill-hard-drives/

Plus they don't have a set standard for modular cables so each manufacturer has different ways of making cables.

[random bane]

These are the PC hardware specifications

i914900k
nzxt h9=
Deepcool Ls720 SE 360mm
Samsung 990 pro 4tp
Z790 ARUS PRO X
Team Group 32GB (16GBx2) DELTA DDR5 6000MHz RGB WHItE
Rtx4080 msi WHITE silm
power supply 1200w thermaltake

[mighty patrol]

More China tech to see soon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEIMPq1zlCo

[random bane]

Is the only solution to use an official power cable? Can't cables from other brands be used?

[mighty patrol]

Can but not advised

[random bane]

It's time to visit Amazon, I hope the prices haven't gone up due to customs duties

[mighty patrol]

I'm sure you could find a decent priced psu that isn't crud tier

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

List is a bit dated but still not bad

Can follow this too, https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=best-psu-picks

https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=psu-performance-database

[median marsh]

depends on which cables, you can use the power cord from any PSU, but the internal cables can differ between brands/models so i wouldn't advice to risk it

[orchid iron]

In short, you have higher chances of massively messing up your PSU or other components if you use other cables
There is a saying:"Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"
This is one of them
You are literally running on a miracle right now, be greatful, thankful and get the PSU changed please

[grave sundial]

You mean to tell me that I cannot use the Golden Cable of Argos with the Bronze Cable of Sparta, twist them together and insert them into the Silver Socket of Love?

[orchid iron]

These are enterprise PSUs with international standards that every enterprise PSUs, so you are completely safe even if you do that

[grave sundial]

So be it. I shall embark on the Quest for the Golden Cable. Assuming Argos doesn't charge tariffs on international tickets, I shall return only slightly poorer.

[orchid iron]

slightly

[grave sundial]

slightly

[wise elbow]

I wouldn't buy a shitty psu

Saving 20 dollars is not worth losing 2000

You can also just request a cable from the manufacturer or RMA it

PSUs usually have very long warranties if they aren't crap

[random bane]

Why would I buy a psu, if I could just buy a cable

[random bane]

Now I know why different devices break down after a while when I connect them to the PC. It seems the difference in electricity from the wire is the reason

[random bane]

The real miracle is you are here to help so thank you all

[random bane]

Why should I change the PSU, isn't it enough to just change the cable?

[orchid iron]

by using different cables you may have done irreversible damage to the psu and other components, i would be really careful handling that psu now

[random bane]

It is difficult to find a cable from the manufacturer that is cheap and can be delivered to the Middle East

I have two power supplies، I need cables for them

power supply 1200w thermaltake
and
power supply Corsair RM750

[wise elbow]

You don't buy it. You power supply has a warranty and the manufacturer should either send you a new PSU or a new cable if it's defective

You generally CANNOT buy a cable for a power supply as they are not standardized

Some companies might have a cable for your specific model; CableMod comes to mind

But that will cost money when you could just use your warranty

The main difference between most power supplies these days is the quality of their warranty tbh

[random bane]

https://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Thermaltake-ARESGAME-Corsair-500W-1200W/dp/B0DRTC13S5/ref=mp_s_a_1_11?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2L4ymXyS8Fxvt_cAvDM0bXrwDLeNsaJgj7Vhj8F-OxFmKPM9V0f957VAhkFk8or4wI7RSybG4eHD_kOjGZJvxKMBd4jOeV85iWfmR1YZ2ulDa00AzYav3o_6CpQ3HRdTSP5-WU87DWxFJTRpyenJL_RsZZvTcKoy8ypD-EOM-mZyy356g0J1Hzt2PBXqwinVA2X0JkQHtEJMVWTTG3hHLA.YjKvKM-bNUrSP-pfUMDfU2bguWSCttSBCXs_HQ0uEJE&dib_tag=se&keywords=thermaltake+power+supply+cables&qid=1744153051&s=electronics&sr=1-11

[random bane]

I found this one cable works with most power supplies

[random bane]

Based on what I've read about PSU cables, it's generally okay to use any cable for the PSU, even a TV power cable. It's safe, but you must make sure the cable is of good quality, can handle the appropriate voltage, and has proper grounding.

Just to clarify, I’ve been talking the whole time about the external power cable that goes from the PSU to the wall, not the internal ones

[mighty patrol]

Then that should be fine

[north arch]

VERY important distinction!

do you use fused cables or unfused over there?

[fallen oasis]

Not using fused cables 🙄

[north arch]

it's the standard here, equipment is fused instead

and I absolutely DEPLORE cables with components in them

[random bane]

Yes, use fused, it's safer.

[north arch]

If you need something to protect you from your own daftness, the problem isn't the equipment.

[random bane]

What do you mean

[north arch]

The cord is suitably rated and certified. The equipment is fused and certified. The outlet is certified and it and it's wiring are protected by upstream breakers. The only tangible risks are using an insufficiently rated cable, using a damaged cable, or arranging a situation where the cable is likely to be damaged. So barring a highly unlikely or should be protected against event, the only causes of an issue a cable fuse could protect you from are negligence.

not a risk worth protecting against

in exchange for that protection you add additional fault sources, additional heating, additional cost, additional minor fire risk

[random bane]

What's the point? What exactly should I do or not do?

[north arch]

none of that is pertinent to your situation, it's me arguing against daekesh's and your pro-fused-cable stance

in your case, I still say replace the power supply, but the power cable into it is cheaper and a quality one may fix your issue

or you might need to pop out and replace the fuse and clean the contacts

[random bane]

I get your point 😁, okay 👍🏻

[north arch]

I know you're doing your best to not have to, but power supplies are dangerous when they go out

(this coming from a guy who promotes removing the warning labels from products and just letting society prune itself down a bit)

[fervent jolt]

i vaguely remember one of my PSUs made a cool little sound/smoke/light show when it went out once. wasn't like a firestarter or anything, but definitely surprised and spooked me

[median marsh]

i know the crackling sound from non fully inserted cold plug cables. But it should NOT affect any other devices which are on the same power grid. That's really concerning about your whole setup...

[delicate crystal]

Remember doing a LAN party once at my place with a few friends. Set up everyone's system, all plugged in, I turned mine on, and all the lights went out in half the house and my PSU looked liek there was a fireworks show going on inside of it. Place smelled like burning electronics for weeks

[random bane]

PSU wanted to celebrate with you

[nova moss]

who have 5090?

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nv9E-rGKwY

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QCOa4Kvhm84

Gpu without your gpu

[orchid iron]

oh, those are probably from the mining era, scalpers would grab gaming gpu, remove the gpu die and put it inside of gpu blower cards to maximise space

[mighty patrol]

Nice

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Pi694-BgV40?si=uimBDxybDyl_4pqD

[grave sundial]

I have to order a new glass panel for my PC cabinet.

I broke the current one as I was cleaning it, today.

I think I spent half an hour searching for and cleaning up the glass fragments.

This is what happens when you use the wrong stool to put your cabinet on, and be careless when removing said glass panel. 😄

[orchid iron]

Oof

[grave sundial]

indeed.