hardware

[mighty cosmos]

do you have the status code on the MB, if it says like 13-15 (for mine it's 15) it's more than likely training

for 128GB takes like 10 minutes for me

[white horizon]

Nop

But yeah it was failing

I removed 3 of them, booted up and it had to update the BIOS

Also cleared CMOS so should be fine now

Trying with 2

Success with 2

Time for four

Just gonna check BIOS again first see if there's settings to enable

FINALLY

time to check if I got micron chips

😦

fuck my life

[mighty patrol]

That bad?

[white horizon]

Micron is stabler for OC

Doubt I can get 5200 stable now

I'll try but ehhh

Time to run memtest for a few hours

Wish me luck

[mighty cosmos]

[white horizon]

I'm guessing if I want Micron I'll have to go second hand with an old lot

This one was manufactured week 5 of 2025 so guessing 3 weeks ago

[delicate crystal]

Good to know. Im looking at a 4070 xtx so theres that.

[wise elbow]

4070 xtx?

[delicate crystal]

Dammit sorry. 7900 xtx

[white horizon]

@mighty cosmos

Welp

Gonna test an increase in voltage

Someone reported it helping

Trying 1.26 instead of 1.25 fingers crossed

[wise elbow]

did this happen when you enabled expo?

[white horizon]

Yep

The guy who got it working said he had to increase from 1.25 to 1.26 to get it stable

So ill try that

But he also had Micron chips so I'm already a little screwed

[wise elbow]

i could see a lil voltage increase helping

seems to be the case with all AMD expo tbh

[white horizon]

Hope so

I really wanna be able to have it at full speeds for gaming

Otherwise I'll at least try to get it up to 4800

[white horizon]

60% of a pass, no error yet

Please just make my day and work

I'm further than I was without any error so far

Maybe this was it

[white horizon]

@wise elbow

Hell yeah

[wise elbow]

is it ecc?

[white horizon]

p sure all DDR5 is "ECC"

although it seems disabled

not sure

I'm gonna work with it for a week

I'll report back if I get crashes

[mighty cosmos]

got 5200?

[white horizon]

Yep!

[wise elbow]

🥳

you should definitely stability test

[white horizon]

I did with memtest86 but I'll do a week of work and report back

[median marsh]

good luck

i had a defect module and it only showed in compiler crashes sometimes

and i have no idea how long i used it, so it might have aswell corrupted a few assets -_-

[white horizon]

gonna run a compile but im confident enough

fingers crossed it runs with no issues

otherwise I'll just increase the voltage again

I have plenty of cooling in my case

[mighty patrol]

I believe in you

[wise elbow]

the spreaders on the ram you got are probably more than sufficient lol

[orchid iron]

He should of went with the Ryzen 4070 tbh

[wise elbow]

radonm b850

[orchid iron]

what about the GTX RX C990?

I heard TeraByte made a very nice card from it

plus it has its memory chips from SKsung

[orchid iron]

wait, why didn't you buy crucial ram then?

[white horizon]

This specific one had Micron chips and is the only supported set at 5200

On my mobo's QVL

It was tested by someone else and reported as stable so I went with it

Thankfully seems like my set is stable enough

I just got unlucky with it having SK Hynix chips

[orchid iron]

those are "suggestions" perhaps other sets could of worked

[orchid iron]

nice

@naive cloak I just realised, nvidia is making its own ram standard for their upcoming laptops and possibly desktops, it all makes sense now

[white horizon]

Oh yeah definitely

But the fact someone on Reddit managed to get it working with the same CPU + mobo combo as me made it the "safer" route

Once I applied all their BIOS settings it just worked perfectly fine

[orchid iron]

poggers

[naive cloak]

Nvidia cards and the GPU market is so bad that real tech youtubers do comedy videos when its about Nvidia or GPUs 🤣

[white horizon]

Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 running much smoother too now

[delicate crystal]

throwing this out there, is there any laptops that would be good choices for unreal dev? I doubt there is, but figured if there was, you folks would know.

[mighty patrol]

Check pins

[orchid iron]

I totally recommend my laptop with a 6th gen intel i7 and a 960m 3gb, don't forget 1T HDD storage xD
Best laptop ever, lasting 10 years and counting

[grave sundial]

I would recommend a laptop workstation, too, to save on money AND learn the ropes.

Those Strix APU laptops would be a nice choice.

Once you have made a few projects and want to move on to really high-end visuals and stuff in your games, then spending $4 million on a computer makes sense.

[orchid iron]

4 million dollar is cheap, what about 300 million?

[mighty patrol]

and what make a game no one can run

The next Crysis

[plush turret]

id much rather spend the 4 million on making a proper game

[orchid iron]

imagine spending millions on just meetings for years, couldn't be anthem

[plush turret]

lol

[grave sundial]

Agenda for 1st meeting: set the agenda for the 2nd.
Agenda for 2nd meeting: revisit the agenda for the 1st.
Agenda for the 3rd meeting: repeat meetings 1 and 2.

[orchid iron]

"so yesturday I played this fun ichi.io game, omg it was like soooo fun, we should todally add it"

next meeting:"That's a horrible idea, let's remove it"

[agile lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-neo-congratulations-neo-matrix-neo-agent-smith-agent-smith-gif-11727630025831379899

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/tight-smile-cat-cat-tight-smile-wide-smile-cat-cat-wide-smile-cat-gif-12207868737982701324

I updated my gpu drivers

now everything on my main screen is weirdly larger than it should be

screen 1 is normal

screen 2 (main) seems to be 50% larger

[orchid iron]

Gotta set the global scale on that screen

[plush turret]

yeah its at 100%

wont go any lower

[mighty patrol]

Maybe reseat the cables or swap their locations

[worldly kettle]

@plush turret might be your resolution is wrong

[wise elbow]

either resolution is wrong, scaling is jacked up on one monitor, or some setting got corrupted. you can tell windows to forget a monitor i think

[white horizon]

Compiling UE projects is smoother now

I'll try to compile the 5.5 source from scratch, see if I get an improvement in compile time

But so far I'm enjoying this, my PC isn't maxing out RAM and lagging while I compile stuff

[mighty patrol]

Dope

Making me want to upgrade my ram now lol

[plush turret]

that cpu going 5.2Ghz though

https://tenor.com/view/unreal-unreal-engine-computer-smoking-computer-smoking-gif-24575019

[white horizon]

nah, i have a fully watercooled build heh

it stays cool

[mighty patrol]

Holy balgonie

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-liz-lemon-30rock-bashful-omg-gif-21886245

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/cpu-cpu-kill-gif-22236310

pure torment

[orchid iron]

Hey yo wtf, so overkill xD

[white horizon]

Not overkill in my usecase heh

[orchid iron]

Do you live in extreme heat ambient?

[white horizon]

No, I just hate noise

Wanted a silent build

[orchid iron]

You do you I guess

[orchid iron]

What material would you recommend to place next to a GPU that is kinda soft, heat resistant and non electrically conductive ?
I was thinking soft silicone rubber, but I'm not familiar with it
Any suggestions?

[grave sundial]

Next to, as in on it or just sitting adjacent?

If the former, then thermal pads.

If the latter, then you can try graphite pads.

But, you'd have to combine a few pads to make it as thick as you need.

[fallen oasis]

Do you really want a thermal insulator next to your gpu?

[orchid iron]

I know it isn't ideal, which is why I'm looking for alternatives

Although there will be not much surface area touching it, so it wouldn't be the worst

[orchid iron]

on it, and I'd need at least around 5-10 cm 4 times

[grave sundial]

On it, then thermal or graphite pads.

That's standard of course.

[orchid iron]

basically making my gpu rest on 4 pillars

[grave sundial]

Thermal pads are a no-brainer, really. They've been used forever and are safe.

Graphite pads are fine, too.

[orchid iron]

I'd need like enough thermal pads for 4x5cm towers

I'll draw a sketch

professional drawing btw

so that's why I was kinda starting with soft silicon rubber, would kinda stabilise it in case I would move the table or the chassis around, plus it isn't electrically conductive, but it is a thermal insulator, now due to how far they are from the hot spots would it be okay anyways?

[grave sundial]

So, the purpose of this project is to stabilise the GPU?

If that's the case, you don't need to put in the effort. There are GPU stands available, which can be hooked into your CPU cabinet.

[orchid iron]

I've looked into it, but the GPU is so dummy thick heavy I'm afraid an earthquack will just 1 2 clap ez the pcb into oblivion

[grave sundial]

Use TWO stands then. 🙂

One on either side.

But, if you are going with the four pillars fighting style, then just use four thin pads (thermal or graphite), supported by plastic/metal support pillars.

The pillars don't need to be entirely made of the pad materials.

[orchid iron]

oooh, but then why have pads inbetween?

[grave sundial]

For that insulation you want.

Check out Nvme heatsinks.

They have thermal pads touching the nvme and metal heatsinks on top of that.

Same construction, but pillar-shaped in your case.

[orchid iron]

oooh, so thermal pads + metal would be perfect

[grave sundial]

Pad goes on gpu.

metal portion goes below that.

metal doesn't touch the gpu.

Repeat for each pillar.

Master Four-Pillar Style.

[orchid iron]

gotcha

thank you

[grave sundial]

Since it's for support, plastic will be fine too.

You will have four of them, after all.

[orchid iron]

yeah true

[grave sundial]

Seems like someone already thought of the idea.

GPU Support bracket, it's called.

I googled for GPU Support Pillar.

Seems cheap, $4 each.

This reminds me of.... radio antennae.

You know, the ones you can expand and retract.

[orchid iron]

thanks for the L, I like it very much

I'll take 10 of them

[fresh fog]

I'm a big fan of some of the more creative solutions I've seen over the years :P

[orchid iron]

oooh, Legos

hmmmmm

imma need to look up how many people put Legos in their computers xD

[wise elbow]

they make support brackets that actually secure to your case

sapphire card I bought had one with it

[grave sundial]

If your GPU is made of Legos....

...you might not need support brackets.

Tip of the day.

[keen sage]

got a question im moving am5 now that i got the 5080 so i bought all of this idc for the looks at all i need that performance for development.
now regarding the motherboard and ram im mostly unsure about, is 6200 enough? when im working right now the editor load time is driving me crazy its like 2 minutes after the editor window showed up and begin play like 5 minutes.

my og hardware was: Ryzen 7 5800X, 4x16GB Vengence LPX, 4070ti super from palit.

i attach task manager pictures behind all the new parts being ordered:

[fresh fog]

petition for the GPU front plate to have lego studs for infinite possibilities

[grave sundial]

And google says....

😄

[orchid iron]

What's the issue with the editor taking a while to get ready to be used?

[keen sage]

im working on a demanding title, making code changes and testing need to be quick to not throw of my workflow, especially when i have to restart the editor multiple times

[orchid iron]

For code changes make a very light map and test your changes on that mostly

[orchid iron]

Dude that actually looks sick

[keen sage]

i do have a light map for testing

[orchid iron]

I mean like a map with barely anything asset wise

[keen sage]

thats what i confirmed

anyways hardware wise going into the right direction?

[orchid iron]

Gotcha, it still feels like something is off, just to confirm, takes about 7 minutes for you to load into unreal engine?

I ask because it takes me less time, and I have way worse hardware than you

[keen sage]

~2 minutes to be in editor screen ~2min to get responsive interface and 5 minutes when hitting play

im working in a 500gig~ sln

[orchid iron]

All that time to load a basic template map?

Jeez

[orchid iron]

So hardware wise all of what you picked is fine, however I would add a Very fast 4 TB drive like the Samsung 990 pro, since that would be the thing that would determine your loading time the most

[keen sage]

i have an nvme for the project Lexar 790

[orchid iron]

That's fine then, just make sure it isn't too full and you should be good, but like I said if after your hardware upgrade the speed still isn't suiting you, look at getting a faster SSD

[keen sage]

aight appreciate it

[wise elbow]

afaik anything above 6000 cl30 on am5 has diminishing returns so yeah thats fine

that motherboard is fine too

[lament pollen]

Hey guys
What do you suggest for a gaming laptop suitable for heavy development under $1500?
It’s a side device and I do own a proper PC setup

[white horizon]

Are you able to have high quality internet? Cause you could just remote desktop into your PC and save money

[lament pollen]

Yeah but Id rather have a more reliable option. That aside, I travel a lot and may not have access to my PC for days

[white horizon]

What kind of work do you do

[orchid iron]

Anything that has a dedicated GPU and at least 8gb of VRAM (I know cringe, but 16gb of Vram in laptop is expensive for no reason)

[lament pollen]

I mostly work on simulations, PCGs from scratch, gameplay programming and procedural animations
They may not require hugely performant hardware, but collaborating on final phases of projects need some more juice!

[lament pollen]

Yeah 16gb is overkill for real

I don’t do much gaming on my dev devices, so 8gb definitely suffices

[orchid iron]

Generally Lenovo is recommended, but if you feel comfortable disassembling your laptop to change anything that broke or that you'd want to upgrade, "Framework" might be interesting

[lament pollen]

I really like Lenovo. I still have a 11 years old Lenovo Y50-70 which still works smoothly!
But I’m kinda stuck between Lenovo and ASUS
And also between 4060 and 4070

[orchid iron]

Screw Asus :D
Dog shit to repair and maintain over the years

[orchid iron]

For unreal engine development you gotta take into consideration CPU (make sure it isn't a 13th or 14th gen that overvolt themselfs into oblivion), enough ram, fast storage etc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U4hFIHjU6OQ

[lament pollen]

@orchid iron thank you very much

[orchid iron]

No problem ^^

[tough owl]

I would note: fan bearings don't like being in weird positions, so lift the whole laptop not just the butt

(and laptop fans are expensive)

[violet spade]

What ping, there was no ping 😛

[grave sundial]

I think that 16GB is VRAM, not RAM.

[violet spade]

Oh I stand very corrected then lol

[grave sundial]

Still, 8GB VRAM in UE will get you 'out of video memory' pretty quickly. Well, 6GB most certainly.

[violet spade]

My 2060 still handles semi-ok, but it depends on the project

[grave sundial]

The project works, but that red message on the top left gets annoying.

Well, it used to be. I have yet to see it with my 4060ti 16GB OC. 😄

[violet spade]

Oh you didn’t want to shell out for 50 series with missing ROPs at the cost of a mortgage? 🙃

[grave sundial]

I could have sold three kidneys instead.

But, sadly, I did not.

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/love-alarm-love-alarm-season2-jung-ga-ram-hye-young-rain-gif-20778232

me with 3gb of VRAM

[violet spade]

Even if you have the money you need to play a lottery for “the chance to buy a card” lol

[tough owl]

meanwhile RX cards are sold out just because they were in stock

[violet spade]

It’s funny AMD was asking the media what they should charge for their own cards, like a week before release

[naive cloak]

marketing trick...

[agile lodge]

so gaming nexus made video of Asrock x3D "dead" CPUs

those amd gaming CPUs

[naive cloak]

Asrock -> Asbrick

[violet spade]

Assrock 😀

[orchid iron]

Thankfully the 9800x3d was the beta tester before the 9900x3d and 9950x3d came out xD

[grave sundial]

So, a little heads up for those updating to NVidia 572.60 Game Ready drivers.

I installed the drivers and the screen turned black. I waited for ten minutes and nothing happened.

So, I reset the computer, fully expecting a system restore to the earlier drivers.

But, no. The new drivers successfully installed and my GPU is behaving like nothing ever went wrong.

SO... if you get said black screen, just press reset after five to ten minutes and presto!

[keen sage]

Okay so im starting my build but i am concerned

Should i go with nvidias or the one from the power supply, which has 2 less pins for whatever they used

[keen sage]

I thought that was a couple updates ago

[grave sundial]

the drivers were released on 27th Feb. Not sure about how many updates came after that.

[keen sage]

I think im using the power supply one

I hope it wont burn

[grave sundial]

🤞

If you see smoke, use the Farce and command the flames to subside.

[keen sage]

Rtx 5080 insured for burnin?

Guarantee?

[grave sundial]

as much as your kidney.

[median marsh]

the 2 unconnected pins aren't used

[keen sage]

okay cool i used it

if it burns we know the cause

UNLIMITED COMPILATION POWER

but my clock is fkd

its 16:01

[orchid iron]

Check which cable has "H++" on it, those are less prone to burning up

[grave sundial]

If you're having time sync issues, download and install an app, called NetTime - Network Time Synchronization.

It's the fastest, easiest way to fix the time sync problem in Windows, in some regions.

NetTime basically takes over the date/time function and syncs to time servers properly.

[violet spade]

lol

https://youtu.be/ntSylZ1Bp1Y?si=0ASDbFzGRdX1BJwL

[wise elbow]

it sure is sometimes worse than a 4070 super

[minor veldt]

If one is 12VHPR and the other is 12V2x6 then use the 12V2x6. Perhaps that is the "H++" Lab mentioned.

[keen sage]

oh i don't know

but my memory is 6400MT/s instead of 4800MT/s

now

i neabled XMP

for some reason windows in 9 gig in ram now

[minor veldt]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/explorer/diy-builder/power-supply-units/h-vs-h-on-12v-2x6-12vhpwr-cables-what-does-it-mean/

[keen sage]

oh i hold them side by side they are the same lenght

[minor veldt]

Reading the text it seems the H++ means absolutely nothing, except perhaps that it is a newer cable and hopefully has the better pin connector style. Lots of speculation here, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAdLOf5of8Y from JayzTwoCents has a bit of discussion at least.

[keen sage]

omg

thats the same fuckin cable

thanks man

bro my heart what he did in the end

[wise elbow]

unsurprising, though i doubt itll change the price of graphics cards w.r.t. tariffs

i think some nvidia GPUs are actually made in the US TSMC facility, but they are shipped overseas to be assembled into a complete graphics card

[keen sage]

This is how it looks!!!

Idk how to change the color of the watercooler so its pink 🤣.

Im not a big RGB fan but this cooler is supposedly a good choice

[orchid iron]

All RGB fans can be made into normal fans by unplugging the RGB cables xD

[orchid iron]

Yeah exactly, that's why I referenced H++, while it is retarded to not have a load balancing on the card itself, at the very least proper internal pin contact can be made to "reduce the issue" xD

@keen sage out of curiosity how much did you pay for your 5080?

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/call-out-shout-out-ken-jeong-gif-3856558617789280823

Jk 😃

It prly requires software to do it

[white horizon]

openrgb is good for that

[grave sundial]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2626464/amd-rx-9070-requires-uefi-bad-news-for-windows-10-die-hards.html

A little heads up for old board users.

And apparently, the 9070 XT is reporting high VRAM temperatures, over 90C.

[orchid iron]

support and performance won’t be guaranteed for these older boards,

That's fine with me

[orchid iron]

That's a skill issue xD
Sounds like someone didn't place thermal pads properly

[grave sundial]

Reminds me of NVidia forgetting components in the cards.

We live in fun times.

I wonder if all these problems actually reveal a conspiracy by Kinder Egg to make GPUs a SURPRISE!

[minor veldt]

How old would a board need to be to not have UEFI? I'm om AMD X370, i.e. first gen ryzen, and I'm pretty sure that has UEFI.

[keen sage]

let me check i forgot

1.523.90 in Euros

i only did so cause my 4070ti super broke after 1 month of use, it like short circuit some shit and stopped showing screen, after restart was fine but i wouldn't take any chances

[grave sundial]

According to Google, some people are running win 10 on non-uefi motherboards, apparently.

These must be the miserly users.

Best not to think about them.

[orchid iron]

Wtf, omg that's such a good price lucky you

[fallen oasis]

Price reduced because it's a fire hazard? 😄

[keen sage]

i think its still expensive for what you get

i don't know how in the world the 5090 is 4-5k

2k should get you one

[grave sundial]

Kidney prices.

Don't be surprised.

[fallen oasis]

Price gouging.

[grave sundial]

Well yes. You have to gouge the kidney out.

That's why you get two cables to tie it with.

[keen sage]

the cable is for the neck

hahaa

after that purchase you lose your wife too

hahaha

[grave sundial]

😄

Honestly, outside of heavy/high end development, I'd just buy the Radeon 8060s and its successors from now on.

I REALLY hope AMD puts it in a desktop form.

[fallen oasis]

I hope they make their own version system too.

[keen sage]

i must say after all these upgrades live coding is instant

[fallen oasis]

They're just copying nvidia now.

[grave sundial]

Their AI probably said they should.

[grave sundial]

COOL! Congrats.

It's always great when all that effort and money pays off.

[keen sage]

its so nice to have reflect what you just did instant, espacially working Animation and writing nodes

the gpu don't contribute to that tho hahaha

[grave sundial]

At least it keeps the GUI from stuttering and crashing.

[keen sage]

i can look at the adjustments at 120 fps haha

thats it

oh the upgrade defo got rid of the engine stutters

i dont know if ram or cpu did but its smooth

no more 7 minute wait to load a test map

[grave sundial]

loading the map and assets takes a bit of GPU too.

[keen sage]

simple terrain just for animation testing nothing gpu intensive, hills cubes and odd shapes

[grave sundial]

@orchid iron Btw, the 7800x3D and the 9800x3D are both priced about the same here, in India. 😄

A tiny $30 difference.

[orchid iron]

Congrats!

[orchid iron]

Makes sense, according to insider information the 9000 series is cheaper to make than the 7000, not sure about the x3d variants but it makes sense

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yP0axVHdP-U

Now we wait if they are priced normally, they might be out of stock too, not because of fake paper launch but because it is a 9800x3d where the competition doesn't have anything to offer (not because of worse performance, but because of worse stock and worse performance per price... actually wasn't the 285k also a paper launch?)

By the way, when the fudge are we getting the 9900x3d and 9950x3d???

[wise elbow]

Soon

[tough owl]

it's not a paper launch for sure, retailers had stock sitting for months because AMD delayed the launch last minute

some lucky ones got theirs before actual release date(but couldn't use it because no drivers)

[orchid iron]

Yup, but I think it'll be out of stock very quickly anyways, mostly because of how bad Nvidia launched their 5000 series

The guy at AMD who said they didn't expect the 9800x3d to sell so well because of how bad the competition's offering were is probably about to do a part 2 xD

OH, btw, AMD is giving money to retailers for buying AMD GPUs at higher prices due to their last minute price change, but that will end next month when the tarifs hit, so first month of launch will be the cheapest you'll see these cards go by

If it ain't out of stock, you should buy it and resell it basically xD

[tough owl]

that is, if you're in US

[opaque pond]

https://frame.work/desktop

[orchid iron]

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Professional-Graphics-Express-DisplayPort-Support/dp/B08NWGS4X1/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2ZCE94M2P84LA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.olH7jnE8boquv8FNcYEXe7efq-wt5gUZqG9UWiZuPdZHyT9ueVwP3SrTyXcK6ORCwsShOLWhRPelIORpZ74c3YlriiSL6Kkj1OK7e0sCWFFudia53vtKr1HFLRtVLEBkMtUT9AmLX5RKEldoSUX8fAEbNt8FDYqZHQTh9UUrDvagYm9Aeq5-XcIUYFrENMlauczCdIjz9pTJJUo2x3f8ZZ3D4n_NfW1Z8dINSIkHxx4.-AUcCmsaIwwS1o97RkGClKv3mqwfkyylsjMIzI6p0vk&dib_tag=se&keywords=nvidia+5090&qid=1741214688&sprefix=nvidia+5090%2Caps%2C124&sr=8-8

finally found an nvidia GPU that has the same price as the 5090 and has more vram

[keen sage]

i saw some cheap, from indonesia but shadyyyyy

[grave sundial]

Yeah, but it's still the soldered RAM thing-y version.

We saw that a couple of days ago.

---

Well, my air conditioner got toasted by some electricity issue.

le sigh

Now, the LONG repair process (which hopefully will not be LONG) is underway.

[mighty patrol]

Rip

Days like that make me glad for people who support right to repair.

[plush turret]

i agree, but honestly as someone who has HVAC training, id prefer to bring in a pro to deal with a LOT of it

most of what breaks in AC units is the capacitor or a coolant leak

if you get the wrong capacitor you can destroy the entire system

and you rightly so need a license to mess with coolant

[north arch]

wait... so I shouldn't just huff R12?

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/what-did-you-just-say-what-are-you-doing-confuse-ice-cube-gif-15372785

[north arch]

I am

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/thankgod-jasonsegal-gif-4648715

[north arch]

I'm more a fan of diy ammonia absorption refridgerators

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-de-niro-disappointed-fine-alright-omg-gif-15457720

[north arch]

Yes, there are safer coolant options for absorption refridgerants, but ammonia just draws me for some reason. Probably the Haber-Bosch process.

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/gru-despicable-me-explode-gif-18746054

[north arch]

eh, these things happen

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-1750056094467610487

[grave sundial]

The best (NOT) part about getting the AC repaired is juggling my job with the electrician's convenience.

Apparently, some communication cable between the indoor and outdoor units has a problem.

I hope it's an easy fix.

Otherwise, I am going to be going through a spiritual cultivation experience with a ceiling fan and 40C temperature.

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjnByG7AXY

Launch is today, check if the 9070xt that you are buying has this shit, most models shouldn't

[grave sundial]

Well, I think the there's a cable/circuit problem in the AC. It showed a CH 05 error code (LG AC) and now, it simply shut down.

😓

I imagine a hefty repair bill in my future.

[mighty patrol]

Rip stay cool pal

Keep lots of ice cubes on the ready

[grave sundial]

Thanks.
I think I can't blame NVidia when their cards burn up, in this weather.

[mighty patrol]

9070xt will save us don't worry

[grave sundial]

My Fractal Torrent cabinet has amazing cooling. The room temperature is 36C, but the GPU temp is just 48C. 😄

[mighty patrol]

What about when playing total war warhammer 3

[grave sundial]

Probably around 60C.

[mighty patrol]

I wish

[grave sundial]

Just use 200 fans.

But yeah, a double air cooler is really nice.

[wise elbow]

9070xt sold out online instantly

[white horizon]

yup

just got up at 5:55 am to try and nab one for my gf

cant wait to see them at 1.5x/2x the price on ebay

so much for having stock

[wise elbow]

this shit is so ass

been trying to build a pc for like 3 years now

i think msrp stock for the 9070xt was so low compared to non msrp

all but like 3 models are already going for over 800

[white horizon]

annnd it's already getting scalped on ebay

[wise elbow]

imagine scalping a mid range card

[white horizon]

fuck this shit

[median marsh]

12V High Failure Connector 😄

[orchid iron]

Called it

[white horizon]

Not having scalping protection in 2025 should be illegal

But who cares ig when you get a shit ton of money

Fuck, scalping should be illegal

[grave sundial]

It's in stock here. 🙂

$1,000.

[orchid iron]

Im gonna go full conspiracy theory and say that the reason the GPUs have such a low stock is to make customers get used to insane prices so that when the tarif hits everyone will actually be happy and thankful and they'll buy it at a higher price with the tarifs

[white horizon]

Only one I see in stock is the 9070

No thanks

[grave sundial]

Noice!
Damn the import duties that make it 1k dollars, but still noice!

[median marsh]

same here, 1 dealer with a card for ~$1000 (but some weirdo ebay dealer)

[orchid iron]

Those are rarer than the 9070 xt, like 2 9070 for 8 9070 xt

[white horizon]

Imma just go back to sleep atp

This is depressing

[orchid iron]

@white horizon don't worry there is plenty of 7900 xtx left xD

[grave sundial]

9070 16GB also available, for about $900.

[white horizon]

Hah

[grave sundial]

Might as well buy the XT.

[white horizon]

Gf's 4060 will have to suffice for now

[orchid iron]

I'm only finding the xt variants for 1000€

[white horizon]

Just wanted to future proof her build

[grave sundial]

I read the 'bursty workload' in the product's Engine Clock description, as 'busty' workload.

I was like, "What's the cup size, mate?"

[orchid iron]

Go for a 7900 xtx while they still exist xD

[orchid iron]

XXL

[grave sundial]

👀 So, Sapphire's Nitro+ pushes the boost clock to 3060.

The Pulse only has 2970.

And Pure has 3010.

[orchid iron]

Oh btw, there'll be an "ultimate Navi 48" soon, so maybe 9070 xtx or 9070 xt xe

[white horizon]

Next time I'll just join the scalpers. I'll have a bot ready to order any card it can

Except I'll keep it since I'm not human waste

[grave sundial]

No need.

Give in to the anger.

Give in to the rage.

Join the Farce.

Then, you can simply get the first card that appears in the new product line.

[orchid iron]

Sell your cardboard box to bot scalpers

[grave sundial]

'Tis the power of the Dark Side.

[white horizon]

I'm pissed

Barely slept

[grave sundial]

Pissed is still liquid cooling though.

[white horizon]

Woke up at 5:55 to be beat by them

[grave sundial]

We need air cooler rage.

[orchid iron]

Rip

[white horizon]

What's worse is there were no listings

[grave sundial]

Cyn, can you buy from BestBuy?

[white horizon]

They still don't appear in searches

Yea but they don't have any apparently

[orchid iron]

Yeah, which state do you live in?

[grave sundial]

Try - https://www.bestbuy.com/site/xfx-mercury-amd-radeon-rx-9070xt-oc-magnetic-air-edition-16gb-gddr6-pci-express-5-0-gaming-graphics-card-with-rgb-black/6620452.p?skuId=6620452

Quick

[white horizon]

Oit

Out

[grave sundial]

Dang.

[orchid iron]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-3-125-slot-Military-Grade-Components-Protective/dp/B0DRRDLC8J?crid=1TFOPCDZC046L&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lF2Yj3dPLQLgs6f7EjMJlhs_ib-cjey15AVVddSrFsI_knrUO1RiP-6Tpo1yfFYyzBFT5QNv05BJpmEH3Ep3LS7YZ5JmCF_LLPVey4VHgDiaqjpdXosGxpHs1MsPU0zDiCwfY3ZZ5JCoTU53Su_6aJqI-Hs-bS_ftboxBasIcH1hwwl7n1QHW_Mc_bqMJY3xv3EoDzGC0ueezqvA6mrm2A.vf_DqWrNSmwMVyIHJkbqfzw05am-rwPtp6DrZcUL7vg&dib_tag=se&keywords=9070+xt&qid=1741271256&sprefix=9070+xt%2Caps%2C259&sr=8-1

One listing for 799$

From official amazon

[grave sundial]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gv-r9070xtgaming-oc-16gd-amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814932751

Available.

[orchid iron]

@white horizon hurry

[white horizon]

Out

[orchid iron]

Rip

[grave sundial]

newegg one is still available for me.

[white horizon]

US tho

[grave sundial]

there's ship outside option

[orchid iron]

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=9070+xt

There is a bunch left

@wise elbow hurry

[grave sundial]

Yeah. Farcists can't be choosers.
Rage the ships.

Rage the credit cards.

Reach for the POWA!!!

[orchid iron]

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-nitro-11348-01-20g-amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814202449

Tbf , at least we can see the listings somewhat close to msrp

Nvidia ones were a myth

[grave sundial]

Oh, they'll pay extra with shipping and customs.

But, yeah.

👀 On desertcart.in, they've added $100+.

[white horizon]

1060 cad

bleh

when I try to make it ship to Canada it just switches to the CA website

it's stupid af

[median marsh]

what is the MSRP for the 9070XT?

[white horizon]

seems like even amazon.com doesn't ship to Canada for those

600$ USD

[median marsh]

ah, thought 599 was the non XT

[white horizon]

nah 550$ for that one

[median marsh]

Retailer confirms Radeon RX 9070 “MSRP” only applies to first shipments, price set to increase later

lmao

that sounds like something NV would come up with, too 😄

[grave sundial]

Meanwhile, the 7900XT with 20GB VRAM is $800 in India.

Woo hoo!

[white horizon]

i give up

if I find it with a nice price in the future i'll nab it

love this new experience

fuck crypto, fuck AI and fuck gpu manufacturers. also fuck scalpers.

[grave sundial]

Moral of the story: Never sacrifice your sleep.

[white horizon]

yea

dunno why i thought it'd be any different

[grave sundial]

There was a sliver of optimism in your dark, charcoal-y heart.

It shone through, providing succour and hope.

Now, the Farce shall rule supreme.

[orchid iron]

Spoiler, you won't, tariffs won't allow it and you'll regret not buying it today

[white horizon]

I would have if it had any stock lol

No rush anyway

My gf has a 4060 and it'll be enough until i can upgrade it

[grave sundial]

Always nice to have a useful gf.

I mean, a gf with a useful inventory.

[orchid iron]

Should last for 10 years xD

The 4060, not the gf

[grave sundial]

Meanwhile, the 'new' AC tech will arrive with all his tools at 7 a.m. tomorrow. The 'usual' AC tech isn't well and needs rest.

So, tomorrow, I figure out whether the repair bill will reach $100.

THANKFULLY, AC PCB circuit boards aren't all that expensive. So if it's just that, replacing it won't be much of a hassle. 🙏

[opaque pond]

they explained why it is like that

[delicate crystal]

Cripes tge system i had specced jumped over a grand in price thanks to idiocy. Guess im either waiting or hitting the used marketplace.

[wise elbow]

yeah my price limit was like 650 for a 9070xt

anything above that and I might as well try and get Nvidia

prices on the AMD cards are horrible above MSRP for no reason

[dusky ginkgo]

Is 3050 decent for unreal 5? I haven't tried so I decided to ask. Or should I go for 4050

[fallen oasis]

VRAM is king.

[mighty patrol]

More vram more honey

[dusky ginkgo]

4050 6gb ,3050 4gb.

[mighty patrol]

Both will not have the best time with less than 8gb

[dusky ginkgo]

8gb v ram? 🙂

[mighty patrol]

You can use ue5 but will hit limits quick

Yeah

[dusky ginkgo]

8gb v ram would cost me my kidney

[mighty patrol]

https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/hardware-and-software-specifications-for-unreal-engine?application_version=5.0

What about intel arc b580?

[fallen oasis]

Intel have a like 0% market saturation with their discrete graphics cards. There's probably a reason.

[mighty patrol]

They are relatively new

[dusky ginkgo]

This thing I haven't heard of

[mighty patrol]

msrp 250 usd

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241598/intel-arc-b580-graphics/specifications.html

Not sure about how it runs unreal

But it is a cheaper 8gb option

[dusky ginkgo]

Are u master at ue5? I am newbie I know literally nothing can you tell me anything. Like career advices type. I am thinking of choosing game dev as career

[fallen oasis]

If you want to go into game dev to make money, do something else.

[mighty patrol]

^

[fallen oasis]

Also #career-chat 😛

[dusky ginkgo]

Why? And by something else you mean?

[fallen oasis]

Game dev is such a dicey career right now. Lots of companies (even if succeeding) being shut down.

[mighty patrol]

Web dev, or literally any other programming job.

or start your own company

[fallen oasis]

And the chances of success outside of an established AAA studio is miniscule.

[dusky ginkgo]

Ok so what are other programming jobs? Which are obsessive and pays better

[fallen oasis]

Sure, some people do make money and are successful, but I think the majority of people can't exist only on game dev. They do it as a hobby or passion project and hope they go viral.

If you are passionate, you can succeed. But it's very hard.

[dusky ginkgo]

Did you succeed? Like just curious what do you do for living?

[fallen oasis]

Literally any other programming career is probalby better as a career designed to make money.

[mighty patrol]

full stack devs, cloud architects, data science, etc.

[north arch]

if you're chasing a particular type of job, you're not likely to make a lot of money doing it unless you're good at it or it's s very small, niche field.

[fallen oasis]

I work with unreal, but I'm a professional tools programmer - I work for a company that makes tools for the engine for Epic. I got really lucky, honestly.

[dusky ginkgo]

Yeah but I know nothing can you tell me please. I am 19yo lol just passing out school

[dusky ginkgo]

Thank you so much I'll research about them tonight

[dusky ginkgo]

Online work from home?

[mighty patrol]

https://www.scijournal.org/articles/highest-paying-programming-jobs

[fallen oasis]

I would just see what jobs are available to you in areas you are interested in. See if you match their requirements. If you don't (by a long shot) then work towards it.

[fallen oasis]

Yeah. Fully remote.

[dusky ginkgo]

Remote?

[mighty patrol]

From home

or you work from a location helping other locations

[dusky ginkgo]

Ohh so like are grades or college any imp for these jobs

[dusky ginkgo]

Thanks I got it

[fallen oasis]

I just work from home. 😛

[dusky ginkgo]

So like you work with unreal company itself?

[fallen oasis]

No. 3rd party.

[dusky ginkgo]

Ohh okay. And what about income how much they pay if you are an expert or intermidiate

[fallen oasis]

Sufficiently.

[dusky ginkgo]

Approx

[fallen oasis]

Some of my colleagues are here, it's not really appropriate to talk about salaries really.

[dusky ginkgo]

😂😂ok can I DM you?

[fallen oasis]

No.

[dusky ginkgo]

Ok

Sorry I am not from America so I don't know about salaries how they differ from my country

[fallen oasis]

Neither am I. I don't think anyone from the company I work from is, actually.

A couple of people from Canada, though.

[dusky ginkgo]

Ohk

So other programming jobs like full stack dev. How easy are they and how hard are they. Even though I like working and learning them but I have no idea about it. Can you give me insights from your experience

[fallen oasis]

I would take this to #career-chat.

[dusky ginkgo]

Ok so I have to message there ?

[fallen oasis]

It's the right channel to talk about this and you'll get better answers.

[north arch]

That's also very dependent on location and cost of living.

[dusky ginkgo]

Ok thanks

[dusky ginkgo]

On an average?

[north arch]

It'll even vary possibly 50% across the US alone, depending on location, company, benefits, company culture, name recognition.

[dusky ginkgo]

Can we talk in #career-chat

[orchid iron]

yeah please

[north arch]

in my field (not programming), one can reasonably expect $60k-$95k as early to ,id level depending on customer site and company you're with

sorry, will bounce there

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tsu0Rw3Nqi8

[mighty patrol]

Linux ftw

[orchid iron]

ikr, that blew my mind

also, his components are kinda based ngl

[real whale]

Lighting build maxes out my processor, but it also nearly maxes out my RAM. Could I speed these builds up by adding more ram? Or am I probably bottle necked on processor?

[white horizon]

If your RAM is that full, yes you'll likely benefit from having more

What CPU is that?

[real whale]

i7-13700KF

[white horizon]

Yeah you'll probably want at least 64GB

DDR4 or DDR5?

[real whale]

DDR5

This thing's pretty new

At least by my standards lol. Computer I replaced had parts from 2015

[white horizon]

I would go 2x32 or 2x48

Or, if you're okay waiting and really want a lot of capacity for future proofing, 2x64GB once they release those kits

I highly recommend not getting 4 sticks. It can work but you're generally going to be reducing speeds a lot or having to tinker for a while to get it stable

I got it working but I had to tweak the voltage and speeds manually

and i'm still not 100% certain it's perfectly stable heh

[real whale]

Oh really! I've never had trouble with 4 sticks before

[wise elbow]

it doesnt have any issues unless you overclock

...which everyone does

[white horizon]

And by overclock, just using EXPO/XMP/DOCP as needed to reach the advertised speeds would make it unstable

Dunno if Intel's having as many problems with 4 sticks

[wise elbow]

im really curious what kinda difference quad channel makes if you keep capacity, cl, and clock the same

[white horizon]

probs just more strain having to handle quad channel instead of dual channel

and im guessing more potential for noise

oh wait i got the terms wrong

idk, servers generally handle a lot more capacity and sticks

[grave sundial]

@orchid iron @mighty patrol @plush turret Turns out that my AC wasn't broken at all. This sweet, 5-star rated, amazing piece of Korean tech (AC is from LG) was turning itself off because of an imbalance in the compressor's gas (type 32). Once the tech restored the gas, the AC began to work just fine, with the external stabilizer to boot.

I love smart, expensive tech.

I don't have to pay a hefty repair bill AND I can breathe like a civilised human being again, perfectly cool 26C air.

[mighty patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/winning-charliesheen-summer-win-won-gif-17974105

[plush turret]

Its always capacitor or gas issues

[grave sundial]

Here, it's capacitor and PCBs most of the time.

We have LOTS of voltage fluctuations.

[plush turret]

Lol

[grave sundial]

So, the whole bill came to $50.

Me happy.

[orchid iron]

Nice

[delicate crystal]

26c being cool sounds so strange to my ears

[grave sundial]

It's a lovely room temperature, neither cold, nor warm.

Of course, my AC is a 2-ton cooling a 1-ton room.

[orchid iron]

I think AMD's launch was pretty good xD
From amazon.de

So many 9070 and 9070 xt in the best seller

And this is from amazon.com

What this indicates, is that there was actual stock of these GPUs, otherwise they wouldn't be classified as "best seller"

I like how the 7800 xt is there after Steve talked about how it was the only card in its price range xD

[orchid iron]

Man, this is the 9800x3d situation all over again

Remember the scalpers for that xD

[naive cloak]

dont worry! it is possible to use UE 5 to make text based games 🤗

video cards is a thing of the past

[delicate crystal]

Hhere thats a wqrm summer day. Before you factor in humidity.

[wise elbow]

I need to go to microcenter and get a card

[grave sundial]

40-45C and dry weather being the norm here, our temp. ranges are bit higher. But, I hate humidity in all weathers.

[grave sundial]

Radeon 8060s for the win!
Let's destroy the greedy capitalist, dedicated GPU lobby!

Right after we buy the latest series of....

[orchid iron]

AI Max+

[grave sundial]

NVidia is going to announce 5060Ti and 5060 in the next 10 days, according videocardz.com.

I wonder how many kidneys we have to get all this stuff.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-pro-6000-x-blackwell-leak-96-gb-gddr7-600w/

Meanwhile, 96GB of VRAM.

Those megalights can go MEGA now.

[mental timber]

👀

[mighty patrol]

Have to sell half your organs

[grave sundial]

Dang.

Here I thought a heart would do.

[orchid iron]

Tbp of 600w and only one 12v cable, I think that's insanity

[grave sundial]

It won't burn this time.

Promise.

It might explode.

But, that's different.

[orchid iron]

I swear if this "pro" card has actual safety features that the 5000 and 4000 are lacking imma be super annoyed

[grave sundial]

It probably does.

[orchid iron]

And people should sue

[grave sundial]

The thing is aimed at professionals.

As in, studios and companies.

So, they've probably plutonium-proofed it.

[orchid iron]

Doesn't matter, they had safety features for issues they set for themselfs

This is BS

Those pro cards better go up in flames

[grave sundial]

Depends on who sues them, in that case.

They're probably afraid of corpos more than peoplZ.

But yeah, I think they might actually test this carefully before shipping it.

It costs what? An entire baby?

[orchid iron]

Yes, very

[grave sundial]

There's a part of me that wants a pro card to test gaming on it.

I know people say these are meant for pro-work, not gaming, but a lot of what people have said, especially on YT, is crap.

[orchid iron]

If the pro card is close to real world scalper 5090 price then yes

[grave sundial]

Well, in India the 48GB RTX 6000 Ada is $1,100.

Wait... scratch that. Bad site.

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-i-am-so-confused-so-confused-confused-krabs-gif-22463422

https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913

[grave sundial]

$9409 for the 48GB.

There, more realistic.

[orchid iron]

Ah yes

Believable price for a gaming GPU

[grave sundial]

I THINK with import duties, the 6000 X will be $13-14,000.

[orchid iron]

I swear, like future PCs won't even have a GPU inside, all 3 main GPU manufacturers are going for APUs for the mainstream consumers

[grave sundial]

They should do it already.

You can do mid-end game dev on 8060s.

[orchid iron]

I don't know if I should be happy or sad

[grave sundial]

Be happy you don't have to pay a kidney for your next PC.

Be sad you only have one kidney left.

[orchid iron]

When in these situations there is only one thing to say

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-it-is-eet-eet-iz-iz-gif-17896182

[grave sundial]

I think all GPUs should come with four wheels, at least two if not four, and an engine; maybe a fuel tank.

If we're going to pay a lot of moolah, might as well get an all-in-one car too.

[orchid iron]

People thought it was unreasonable to pay over 1000$ for high end cards...now you can only afford cheap mid end with that xD

[naive cloak]

RX 9070 XT is good for UE5?

[grave sundial]

I think so.

The ray tracing will be a bit on the poor side, but otherwise, everything else should be peachy.

[orchid iron]

You mean it'll be on the 5070 side?

[grave sundial]

Probably, but a positive would be that it shouldn't blow up, perhaps... maybe... mayhaps even.

[plush turret]

anyone know of decent budget (~$50 usd) speakers which will accept sound from a standard amp

[frank glade]

edifier?

[plush turret]

those seem to start at like $90

[grave sundial]

I can't advise you about theatre systems, but if you want simple, good desktop speakers, go with Redragon.

My Redragon speakers were cheap and they creep me out all the time.

It feels like all the clicks, ticks, and other ambient sounds from OTHER peoples' videos seem to come from my house ALL the time.

I think that attests to the awesomeness of the speakers.

I bought their GS520 Anvil RGB Desktop Speakers.

If you don't mind spending a bit, Sonodyne (an Indian brand) has a great reputation. They have all sorts of speaker setups.

[plush turret]

tbh i dont want theater systems i already have that

but all mine are either expensive outdoor ones or mount it in the wall ones

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MvZfCP4DwGs

Quite an insightful rant

[grave sundial]

But is the author handing out their organs or money, though?

[orchid iron]

that's the thing, he is aware the prices are too high and expressed he doesn't want to support such a behaviour

however, those prices may not be nvidia or amd's fault, watch the video to learn more

[grave sundial]

It's not like NVidia and AMD can't subsidise additional chip manufactories. They certainly have the money they have taken from us over the years.

[agile lodge]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/startup-claims-its-zeus-gpu-is-10x-faster-than-nvidias-rtx-5090-bolts-first-gpu-coming-in-2026

[orchid iron]

Thanks, I've sent them an email xD

[grave sundial]

a reply will arrive in 2026.

[orchid iron]

Maybe, worth a shot

[grave sundial]

Lightning could strike.

[orchid iron]

And grant me a GPU at a reasonable price like 2000€

[naive cloak]

28 Zeus = 280 RTX 5090
what is that? why we need that useless comparison? 🤦‍♂️

I think that GPU will repeat the Rabbit R1 story

[orchid iron]

I think they are comparing global stock

[grave sundial]

They mean that 28 Zeus will start a bonfire that'll burn the Amazon forest down, akin to 280 5090s.

[wind egret]

Phone chips and enterprise GPUs are more profitable. If they did-and maybe they have-subsidise more fab capacity, it wouldn't be used for consumer GPUs.

[wise elbow]

going to need a reactor for a PC in 3 years

[orchid iron]

Even making 9700x and epyc CPUs is more profitable (they have same CCD)

[grave sundial]

Oh yes. I didn't mean to suggest they care about the consumers. 🙂 Of course they will go for the most profitable venues, which is pretty much what they are doing right now.

They have probably tied up with the fire department, too. 🔥

That being said, IF they ever become even slightly considerate of humans....

[wind egret]

I wonder if they didn't fix the power distribution because the enterprise GPUs do it in a way that doesn't mind sending 300 watts through a 1mm wire.

[grave sundial]

Oh, I bet they test those enterprise GPUs rigorously. Otherwise, their corpo clients will make a call to a certain bald man with a gun.

At least, I haven't read about any enterprise GPUs burning... yet.

[dreamy temple]

It's our fault as consumers for not correctly utilising dedicated hot/cold aisles with our GPU's.

[mighty patrol]

Your right we should put them inside freezers

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_-LMc0GpblE

[grave sundial]

We should, as a society, promote communal cooling.

Everyone pools their monthly salaries to cool the ONE PC.

Then everyone else connects to said PC like a central server.

The ONE PC will have ten 5090s.

It'll be inside a waterfall.

[dreamy temple]

How big of a difference in gaming performance are we talking with the 9950X vs 9800X3D?

Had to package for the first time in a while and my i7-9700k with 8 threads is not doing so well. I imagine both AMD options probably outperform the 9700K for gaming at this point.

Talked myself down from a threadripper though.

[mighty patrol]

If your usually on 2k 9800x3d would be best for gaming.

But for compiling etc more cores/threads will always help so 9950x will win there.

[grave sundial]

You'll be happy with that x3D.

I am happy with my 7800x3D.

Handles everything like a boss, even at 3.5k resolution and max settings.

[mighty patrol]

As long as your not using asrock mobo apparently

[grave sundial]

OH. Just go for MSI.

[mighty patrol]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/24/23695829/amd-7000x3d-cpu-burning-out-reports-bios-update-fixes

Should be fixed on new gen but hey

[grave sundial]

yikes.

[mighty patrol]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-9800x3d-failures-deaths-reddit-megathread-indicates-the-vast-majority-may-be-happening-on-asrock-motherboards

Reddit though so 🤷

[dreamy temple]

Sounds good. We're SUPPOSED to get a build server soon so hopefully I won't actually need to package often (compiling unavoidable as a programmer though). But I'm sure every small studio has heard that one before.

[mighty patrol]

Could just get best of both worlds and go 9950x3d

[grave sundial]

Ah, for servers, I am a poor advisor.

[dreamy temple]

Dw servers are somebody else's problem. This is for me 😛

[grave sundial]

Oh. x3D definitely then.

Get a dual tower air cooler. Those are cheap and VERY effective.

I use a thermal assassin myself.

[mighty patrol]

Not liquid?

On amd website recommends liquid for most x3ds

[grave sundial]

Don't like to bother with coffee in my PC.

Also, the air cooler works great.

[mighty patrol]

Noctua Nh-d15 g2

[dreamy temple]

I think AIO you need a 3*120 to compete with a decent air cooler, but this is based on last time I was looking ~6 years ago

[mighty patrol]

Lel

Some come w/ fans now

Arctic has good liquid coolers

[grave sundial]

Air cooling is enough for the x3D. The thing with those CPUs is the burst in computation, which spikes the CPU temp for VERY brief periods in bursts, as required.

The rest of the time, the temps are mild at best.

Also, in a full tower, you have 7 fans.

[mighty patrol]

I thought meta was 12 fans

[dreamy temple]

I've got a 3080 in a mini-ITX so I'm used to sweating. Miiiight get a slightly larger tower this time and not cook my new CPU.

[mighty patrol]

Nas towers been hard to find lately

and if you do they pricy af

[grave sundial]

POWAH cooling.

[mighty patrol]

Needs more red dragon

[grave sundial]

I am keeping the space for illegal astronaut immigrants.

[mighty patrol]

Like Elon Tusk

[grave sundial]

You mean, Melon Pus?

[mighty patrol]

Ah yes

[grave sundial]

Oh yeah, I'd recommend a Fractal full tower myself.

Those Fractals are great for exercise too.

[mighty patrol]

Fractals got good cases

[grave sundial]

They keep my biceps toned.

[mighty patrol]

Same w/ corsair lol

5000d

[dreamy temple]

My current is actually a Fractal Nano. Had a big chonky one as a kid and after a few LAN parties decided never again.

Then got the Nano and never went to another LAN party anyway.

[mighty patrol]

Handhelds are great for lan parties

Asus rog ally or steam deck

[grave sundial]

Does j00 not worship the Fractal and offer the heads of your enemies as sacrifices to.... er, never mind.

---

The best part of dual air cooler towers is, in a pinch, you can fashion them into clubs, or fat knuckledusters.

I wanted to construct this for my CPU cabinet, actually.

BUT, it was too complicated and would have cost four kidneys.

[tough owl]

that would be a neat 3D print project 🤔

[grave sundial]

Indeed. The steel dust would be costly, though.

[orchid iron]

Modern high end CPU air coolers are much more interesting in terms of price to performance, especially when you look at thermalright's high end offerings (45-55$)

@dreamy temple if you get am5, also get a contact frame for it, not for the cooling performance but simply so you don't have to struggle so hard removing the thermal paste due to horrible design

[grave sundial]

Like dis ^

When I installed my AM5 for the first time, I was wondering why there was this extra thing on top of the CPU slot.

Now I see, it's called a contact frame. Cool.

[orchid iron]

It is so handy, look at the am5 CPU cleaning guide, they take so dang long to clean those edges is it pain

But with a contact frame, yeah just rub it a few times and it'll be good to go

[grave sundial]

All the GPUs need now are contact extinguishers, and we are good to go. 😄

[median marsh]

just a big CO2 cardridge which bursts together with the 12HPWR connector

[grave sundial]

👀 The vapour vfx would be spectacular.

[median marsh]

and the case fans should switch to emergency mode where they spin backwards to keep the "air" in the case

[grave sundial]

🤔 Wouldn't getting rid of the air help deprive the fire of oxy...
Oh wait. After the CO2 is released, yeah...

[median marsh]

those things really exist

they got a glass "case" which bursts at a specific temperature

[grave sundial]

Engineering is cool.

Now, if those CRISPR Cas9 gene editors could create hamster firefighters and rat technicians, we can forego human tech support forever.

---

👀 AMD released new chipset drivers for 9xX3D chips.

[dreamy temple]

Just seal up your PC and fill it with nitrogen. Can't oxidize if there's no oxygen.

[grave sundial]

Ya, but no fire then.

You need that 🔥 for coolness, ironically.

[orchid iron]

Are we launching computers in space now ? XD

[grave sundial]

That brings to mind an interesting question.
Would it be cheaper in terms of manufacturing costs, if we produced computer chips and components in space?

Disregard shipping costs for this hypothetical.

Assume you get all the raw materials in space.

[orchid iron]

That would require massive facilities, and any slight perturbations like solar winds could comprise the production

Even space debris could halt production

However, if chips were made in space, calling them Space CPUs would be hilarious

[grave sundial]

You mean Space Poo, surely.

Actually, after being hit by space debris, perhaps the resulting chips will be hardened enough to resist fires.

This might be desirable.

[north arch]

No, not with modern processes, some of which rely on gravity to function.

[mighty patrol]

Maybe without gravity we can make them better

[fresh fog]

Just spin the factory really fast to make the gravity

[north arch]

gyroscopic effects would play bad with spin-based processes

[orchid iron]

Make spherical processors

[north arch]

Spin coating a sphere? Madness!

[orchid iron]

Make a gravity removal chamber just for spin coating spherical processors, next we'll have to design spherical coolers

[grave sundial]

Well, since God made man happy with lots of balls (testicles, eyeballs, socket balls for various fingers and toes, etc.), I think spheres are indeed the answer.

Instead of all these h00man squares and rectangles, we should build our chips in spherical form.

I am sure that will be the great answer of our times.... to which question I know not.

[wise elbow]

we'll have true 3D CPUs one day

like as tall as they are wide

[orchid iron]

dude, 3D cooling them will be awesome, just run nano pipes of liquid through them

[naive cloak]

carve it from wood 😆

[wise elbow]

shoot a cold laser into my Ryzen 12

[north arch]

3d packaging is a thing and getting better, but cooling will be an issue

[orchid iron]

We got multiple options:
-Making tubes of liquid a few hundred nanometres large to water cool from inside the ccd / Io die
-laser cooling asentioned by @wise elbow
-Or just stopping using electrons and moving to using photons / using qubits (quantum computer)

[grave sundial]

Or use the Farce.

🖐️ There is no heat here.

Simple mind over matter will siphon the heat away into nothingness.

[wise elbow]

room temperature super conductors would enable ultra dense chips pretty much immediately

maybe we'll get there 🫡

[grave sundial]

🤔 Having a dedicated pipe for PC cooling integrated into a room's air conditioner, would be great too.

Save all that money on buying fans and air coolers. Just point said pipe at or into the CPU cabinet.

[wise elbow]

that would be crazy expensive with a big gpu

honestly just an external radiator would be great

outside temps should always be low enough to have decent primary coolant loop temps

[grave sundial]

Ergonomics. 😄

[wise elbow]

indoor AC units always make me chuckle

[grave sundial]

OMG.

Someone already did it.

🤣

BUT, their house has a 5 ton AC.

[wise elbow]

a system that uses the waste heat for something useful is always neat; like a pool heater or just heating your house playing a game

[grave sundial]

You reminded me that there are people actually selling that 'waste heat'.

[wise elbow]

literally how

[grave sundial]

🤷 I haven't looked up the method behind it.

But, they apparently make a neat buck out of it.

[minor veldt]

I have only seen it for large scale stuff, like data centers.
https://www.wired.com/story/facebook-energy-heating-homes/

[median marsh]

i think i saw someone attaching the water cooling to the floor heating of his house

[north arch]

Pushing water (relatively viscous) through nanometer orifices is hard, cooling lasers rely on being close to the target temp and are very inefficient (many lasers are around 10%), and is optical computing closer to the landauer limit? I'm just straight up dismissing probability-based quantum computing here.

it has it's place, but classical computing isn't it

[orchid iron]

Yeah, I have no idea how any of this stuff would work, but once the data centers figure that out, it'll eventually come to consumers too

https://youtube.com/shorts/shWjPd6ZouA?si=CjRvxNdXaKMiBTl4

I wonder how good will the P-cores on Nova Lake will be

[orchid iron]

Oh wow, AMD popped off with the 9950x3d, never seen a CPU that could do both gaming and production on this level, intel gotta go big with Nova lake to compete

[wise elbow]

hope i can find one lol

[naive cloak]

x3d max memory is 192GB instead of 256 🤷‍♂️

but L3 is 128MB instead of 64MB

[minor veldt]

I'd take a big L3 over large max memory any day. I can made do just fine with 64 GB memory.

[orchid iron]

So is every other 9000 series CPU from AMD?
Which makes no sense btw, max memory of 7000 series is 128gb, but 9000 is 192gb...despite both having the same IMC
Hopefully the new IMC of the upcoming zen6 actually does improve memory capacity to an "official" 256gb

[white horizon]

That's BS

On a 7950X with 192GB fine

I think they just haven't updated the material ever since 48GB sticks came out

and won't again when 64GB ones do

[orchid iron]

Ikr

[white horizon]

I had to tinker with it (increase voltage and drop frequency to 5000 from 5200) but that's only speed wise

I don't think capacity was the issue

just 4 sticks

[orchid iron]

On am4, it was more about the transfer rate rather than capacity

I wonder if memory controllers will be outside of the CPU again

[white horizon]

7000s? cause i'm at 5000 fine

5200 was almost stable, but 5000 got it perfect

[pale depot]

"384 GB Vram" LOL..

[north arch]

but no render pipeline

[orchid iron]

They can do that by putting ram slots on their GPUs, which is doable btw, but charging extra just for 8gb of VRAM will never get old
-Nvidia CEO probably

[open lintel]

apologies for not replying at that time. I got caught up into some other issues, couldn't get into checking my pc again up until now. I changed thr ram slot, cleaned up some dust, pc is working. However my original problem of hdd still persists. I've managed to make backups of few files from raw partition using easeus, but it's got 500mb limit. Any other ways of copying selected files only without cloning drives or buying expensive pro upgrades?

[median marsh]

if you have a seagate or western digital harddisk you can use Acronis True Image from their homepage

[north arch]

my usual trick (not guaranteed but it's saved drives before) is to let the HDD do it for me. I just fire up a linux thumb drive and cat /dev/sda > /dev/null a few times

adjust as appropriate

[median marsh]

dd is the right tool for that tho

[north arch]

probably a better choice, yeah, but I've never bothered to learn it

the key is just try to access every byte and let built in firmware detect and fix stuff

[naive cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCyNp8aPcsY

[median marsh]

never gets old, especially since they are often so on point

[pale depot]

Technically, sure, adding RAM slots to GPUs could be done but it comes with a lot of challenges like dealing with bandwidth limitations, But yeah charging extra for just 8GB of VRAM? That’s a classic move

[orchid iron]

like once 4 gb memory chips come out, I would rather pay someone to swap memory chips on the GPU than pay nvidia the VRAM tax

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd6cNZrkgqg

Core parking possibly 😮

[grave sundial]

Does the core parking trigger automatically, or can you disable it?

Does it have any benefits?

[mighty patrol]

From what it seemed it depends on a few factors.

Core parking is generally not prefered

Core parking is a feature that enables the operating system to completely shut down CPU cores to save power. This feature is intended to increase energy efficiency during lower usage periods. However, it can potentially reduce system performance during high-demand tasks like gaming or heavy computing, as unparking cores introduces latency. In Windows 10 and Windows 11, core parking should be disabled in high-performance power plans by default, but users might need to check and ensure it is disabled for optimal performance.

[grave sundial]

When they say shut off a core, does it take time to turn it back on?

I mean, if we are talking about a 1ms latency for the core to come back online when it's needed, I wouldn't care.

[mighty patrol]

Says real-time

[grave sundial]

🤷

Doesn't seem like a big deal then.

[mighty patrol]

But part of the issue he had with it

Was if you upgrade from an older cpu

[grave sundial]

Also, in the comment section of the video, a guy says the reason core parking happened in the video, is because Jay didn't focus the window.

[mighty patrol]

Makes sense

It would do that too

To save energy

[grave sundial]

Also, I think AMD fixed whatever driver problems there were with core parking.

Someone else was saying that in the comments.

[mighty patrol]

Seems like it may be an issue maybe in unreal

If your in bp editor

[grave sundial]

Really? If the core turns back on in real time, it shouldn't be a big deal for compiling code, no?

[mighty patrol]

Well I'm just thinking of the viewer in the background

It already sorta losses some performance if it's in background

[grave sundial]

Fair. We can use Process Lasso though.

You can control the cores as you like.

[mighty patrol]

When it's not focus

Fair

You can just crank pbo

[grave sundial]

🤔 I wonder if the 'lose focus' still applies to ultrawide monitors, where windows are still open even if they are not in focus.

[mighty patrol]

Don't scare me like that

I want a 9950x3d

[grave sundial]

Order one now.

[mighty patrol]

Na amd is usually good w/ stock

I say that now 😂

[grave sundial]

https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d-vs-amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d