hardware

[hollow moth]

Yup

[barren goblet]

I very much prefer nvidia though and for my personal build I went flagship nvidia

[hollow moth]

Damn!! Lucky you!

Yeah, I‘m on a budget. I‘ll pair the Ryzen 5 7500f with the 4070, as it‘s just the 7600 without integrated graphics

[barren goblet]

totally respectable that sounds like a good build to me!

[hollow moth]

I‘m glad! I‘ll order all of the parts tomorrow! I‘m excited!

[barren goblet]

as you should be I love new builds always so fun!!

[hollow moth]

True, and thank you so much!

[barren goblet]

best of luck on the build!

[naive cloak]

Reolink cameras has this option, you can store locally for free or pay to add cloud

its kind of smart, it can detect basic stuff

most camera models have SD card support 256Gb at least, and you can buy their NVR,, but their software only support Reolink hardware, you will not be able to connect other brand cameras to their NVR/App

main issue I have with their cameras is that they are "quick release" basically, it can easily get stolen, some just use 2.5 turn M6 bolt 🤦‍♂️ 😢

[devout pendant]

Not sure how the balance of vram vs GPU perf works for unreal

But if you just want vram, the 16gb 4060ti is the better choice than 12gb 4070s. Cheaper too

[barren goblet]

just haven’t heard great things about 4060s maybe the titan is better

but it’s cheaper for a reason haha

VRAM certainly helps like I said but i wouldn’t pick a 4060 over a 4070 because it has more vram I Don’t Know 🤷‍♂️

[plush turret]

assuming the graphics glitches im seeing are on a single screen thats usually not indication of the GPU going bad right?

heres what OBS captured

it literally just started

and nvidia drivers are fully up to date

great, now its on a screen not plugged into the gpu

[mighty cosmos]

it depends, it can be, it doesn't need to be
I something get it on the first boot after a driver update on my main monitor

Hard to tell

[plush turret]

mainly worred cause if pretty much anything BUT the GPU breaks i cant replace it

[devout pendant]

4060ti not 4060

4070 is def a better card but if you need vram over processing power then 4060ti 16gb is better value

[plush turret]

the GPU would kill my ability to really game, but atm the 12700k can keep me going

[barren goblet]

same difference in my mind and if your going nvidia “better value” isn’t really an argument at that point

[devout pendant]

Swap the cables going into your gpu ports and see what happens

[mighty cosmos]

The fact that you captured it with obs it means it's coming from the GPU, but if it's a faulty GPU or something software related is hard to say

[devout pendant]

Bro what
The 4060ti is the cheapest card with 16gb vram
That's my point

[barren goblet]

that’s not what i’m arguing though

if you want price for performance or value go AMD in my opinion

not sure how critical the extra 4gb of vram is tbh

[devout pendant]

Yeah like I said idk what the use case is
But that 4gb is 33% extra vram for 30% cheaper than 4070

[mighty cosmos]

lol wtf
I opened your image, zoomed in and it crashed my browser 😆

(Coincidence but still lol)

[devout pendant]

There's a reason no one buys amd GPUs though
Driver compatibility etc a lot of software just likes NVIDIA better

Especially with rendering/3d work
Ryzen is good but their GPUs suck

[barren goblet]

plenty buy AMD gpus

but the reasons you listed are part of why i went nvidia

but the downside of that is you have to be willing to pay what they cost

[orchid iron]

have you tried different screens, different gpus, different gpu drivers etc

[mighty cosmos]

I run a 4090 in my main PC and a 6900xt in my 2nd PC and the experience with both has been exactly the same, I had no driver issues with either of them

Everything works perfectly with both

[orchid iron]

not one reason, multiple

Like the marketing, amd's one is so bad and nvidia's one is so good, it's like night and day

Plus as hardware CEOs mentioned a bunch of times, it is about making bets on how demand for specific technology will evolve over time, Jenson made very risky bets on RT and AI early on, and it paid off massively, the moment the bets start going poorly, we get an Intel situation

[mighty cosmos]

I do like nvidias software more but the driver stability and software support has been perfect with both

[devout pendant]

I haven't used much but I stayed away from Radeon cause everyone told me blender doesn't play nice

The one time I used a Radeon GPU I got blue screened launching Solidworks

[plush turret]

both the screen plugged into the gpu and the one plugged into the MB displayed the same fragment, though the MB screen had far, far less

[orchid iron]

have you tried changing resolution or frame rate?

at least you know it isn't hardware dependent if you tried with 2 difference PCs

[plush turret]

dont have 2 different pc's

i have one rig, an android phone, and a smart tv to complete my hardware

also a 13 year old kindle paperwhite that has stubbornly survived everything 2 ADHD on spectrum kids could dish out to it

[orchid iron]

then good luck finding which is the issue, and hope it is software related

[devout pendant]

Plug smart tv to PC, if same effect then PC issue
If not, monitor issue

And the generic stuff
Reinstall up to date drivers etc restart PC boot safe mode

[plush turret]

other note, are there any good RAID box companies? looking to just pop 3-5 HDD's in one and use it as a giant storage conatiner

16TB each drive

[nova moss]

? 16TB already have?

[plush turret]

yeah i have 1 inbound

gonna get a few more if this one isnt DOA

[orchid iron]

I forgot which UE 5 features are disabled due to a cpu that doesn't support avx512 instructions

[nova moss]

😲 i just bought 4TB this month, i thinking already maybe 4TB is not enough for unreal projects with quixel asset

[devout pendant]

Bro what are you building that 4tb is not enough 💀💀💀

[prime loom]

Anyone got any recommendations on a decent laptop to develop on for on the road?

[grave sundial]

For Unreal or just programming?

How about Asus Proart P16?

[devout pendant]

https://jarrods.tech/

Tldr check out aftershock laptops

But tbh Asus, MSI, Lenovo Legion series are all good options
Gigabyte aorus too
They will likely have better build quality

But in terms of thermals aftershock seems to be goated

[prime loom]

For both

[grave sundial]

ProArt P16 seems to have good specs for UE.

[prime loom]

But mostly programming.

[grave sundial]

RTX 4070 - M model probably.

[devout pendant]

Just stay away from anything advertised as being thin or light
The main problem with laptops is thermals

[devout pendant]

They dropped the M but all laptop versions are M
Laptop 4070 will probably perform like a 4060ti desktop etc

[prime loom]

Seems most laptops have shit available RAM. Im guessing most models these days are easy to add extra?

[grave sundial]

ProArt has 64GB.

is that enough?

[prime loom]

I havent used a laptop for a decade lol

Yeah thats enough

32 would be min

[devout pendant]

Yes
But almost everything can be specced with 64gb anyway

If youre looking at high end, 32 is default tbh

[prime loom]

Damn, they are expensive lol

[devout pendant]

Asus scar and MSI titan are basically portable desktop replacements

Lenovo Legion and razer blades supposedly have the best build quality but blades are likely subpar thermals because of how thin they are

[prime loom]

Id probably be using it max 1-2hrs at a time. So thermals might not be such an issue

[devout pendant]

Honestly buy a Macbook

[prime loom]

No thanks lol

[devout pendant]

Unless you're trying to go balls out on a 14900 and 4090. I think macs actually the best value if you want a balance of thermals, price, performance, build quality, portability.

[prime loom]

Graphics are less of a concern to me than RAM

[devout pendant]

The only problem is you have to use macOS

[devout pendant]

Then just buy something cheaper and upgrade the ram

[prime loom]

So id be pretty safe in buying something with 16GB and being able to add more?

[devout pendant]

Whatever laptop you find just type in teardown on YouTube to confirm
But most are upgradeable yeah

Also in the spec sheet they will often state max ram

Lower end models will ship with 1 ram slot so 32gb cap, mid-high end usually 2 slots so 64gb cap

[prime loom]

Fair enough

Cheers

[orchid iron]

Can you link the Mac book you are mentioning?

[devout pendant]

MacBook Pro
The highest specced one you can afford
You can just buy blindly, you don't have to worry about build quality or thermals or warranty or shitty thermal paste application, or shitty fan controls, or plastic casing that cracks

But macOS is shit so that's the downside

Also battery life and power optimisation is not an issue with a mac

[nova moss]

i also thinking the 4090 at future

[grave sundial]

In the far distant future, or if one falls off the back of a truck.

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sLPp_szbs4

[gusty bloom]

Please help me. Use unreal 5.4 and the computer restarts.
I am using UE 5.4.4 and my computer restarts itself. I don't know what is the cause fps running 100+.
Pc Spec
I5 11400
RTX 3080 12GB
RAM 32GB
use in SSD m.2

[devout pendant]

Need to give us more info
What exactly happens? When?
When you launch unreal?
When you're doing something?
Every time or sometimes?

[orchid iron]

do you run hardware monitoring programs while it runs?
Like checking temps and how high cpu/gpu usage is would be helpful
And lastly, have you tried using other intensive applications like benchmarking tools or heavy games also to see if they restart aswell?

[devout pendant]

^

[violet spade]

Great even the Zotac 4080 went up by $300 CAD

Inflate the price now so you can sell it at the regular price for Black Friday lol

[devout pendant]

how shock resistant is a cheap ultra wide monitor?

I accidentaly knocked mine down

it tumbled on my legs

[hollow moth]

Wassup! I just bought PC parts for my new computer! It‘s got a Ryzen 5 7500f and an RX 7800XT! What do y‘all think?

[hollow moth]

What?! 😭

[gusty bloom]

I made a scene and opened this page, zoomed in and out, normal, then my computer shut down and restarted. I checked the CPU/GPU temp and it was fine, CPU 70c.

[orchid iron]

noice

[orchid iron]

how much CPU % usage and is it an intel 13th 14th gen?

[median marsh]

could be an power/PSU issue if it just resets

[orchid iron]

yeah, have you try to benchmark your system using popular benchmarks?

[gusty bloom]

CPU is using 40-60%. I use I5 11400.

What program do you use to test?

[barren goblet]

try using cinebench for the CPU. did it just restart completely or was there an error / blue screen

couple other questions to go from easy to harder:

1. have you updated all your drivers
2. have you done any over clocking

like others are saying that sounds like a power / heat issue. the other thing I would check is if your BIOS is updated. I had an issue with a friends AMD system I built where it was doing that and it turned out updating the bios helped because the CPU / Ram combo was mad at each other lol

[gusty bloom]

I have to try updating the BIOS. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks for the suggestion.

[gusty bloom]

It still turns off like before.

Can anyone help me? This work is very important to me.

[naive cloak]

it happens randomly or only when you use UE?

maybe defective RAM stick

[gusty bloom]

Only UE

[orchid iron]

have you tried resintalling it then? If you already benchmarked other stuff

[naive cloak]

maybe PSU is too weak?

try to change graphic settings in UE to lowest and check if it will crash again

[orchid iron]

oh yeah we didn't ask what was your psu

[agile lodge]

CUDIMMs make lots of improvements

[plush turret]

is there something im missing here? it seems like the way i set this drive up was different than how all the others were?

setting up disk 0

[grave sundial]

It happens if you messed around with partitions on the computer before.

I don't have a D: on my computer, for instance.

[plush turret]

no ive never toouched this program before, only drive 0 is edited by me

[grave sundial]

Meanwhile, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to set up and access that alien drive. Isolate dangerous information and neutralise all unapproved data, in the name of the authority.

[plush turret]

what to asess? theres literally nothing on it

i straight up had to initialize it

[grave sundial]

gremlins and ghosts.

call the ghostbusters.

If everything's working fine, I wouldn't worry about it.

[devout pendant]

Well
Plug it in, turn it on, see if it works

[devout pendant]

Check the usual stuff
Make sure it's using your external GPU not integrated
Make sure drivers are up to date

It's a little weird it keeps restarting with no blue screen though

So I don't think it's a temperature/CPU/GPU overload

Like they said how many watts is your power supply? Is your PC plugged into some powerstrip or something? Try plugging it directly into the wall outlet. Or try a different power outlet.

Ram overload is also possible
How much ram do you have ?
Check ram usage too , that's a pretty big scene with lots of objects and I'm 90% sure it gets stored in ram

[plush turret]

big question is what exactly is the shock?

are you punching it or throwing it off hoover dam

[grave sundial]

I've been using my ultrawide MSI for two months now. There have been two occasions when I elbowed its side accidentally, when maintaining the CPU case.

It's fine.

But I imagine it'd have minor problems if you threw it off a dam, yes.

[orchid iron]

looks like windows allowed itself to format the drives and made it's own hidden partitions

[orchid iron]

guys I've been thinking...Ultra Core actually sounds nice, we got E core, P cores, Zen Cores, but Ultra Core kinda slaps...If it didn't suck at launch xD

[devout pendant]

I accidentaly hit the table from under it with my knee. The monitor tumbled forwards

[violet spade]

So you’re asking us how shock resistant is the monitor you just broke?

[devout pendant]

it's working

but can this impact cause invisible damage?

[naive cloak]

nothing nice there... its just marketing trick

[orchid iron]

I may still get some Ultra Core in the future (when it doesn't suck any more, the royal core project in general seemed like an amazing thing before Pat cancelled it, maybe it'll be restarted)

[wintry ore]

Considering a new PC specifically for Blender | Unreal Engine | Video Editing Upscaling etc
I put the info out to three computer shops.
Two came back with a AMD Ryzen 9 9950X and one came back with an Intel i9 14900K.
What is the opinion of these two CPU’s for the above use??
I’m a hobbyist only...and old...so I need some help

[orchid iron]

you just mentioned heavy gpu applications, the CPU is nice to have for code compilation and specific encoding or even multitasking, but you'll probably invest more in the GPU

(if you see blender benchmarks of the CPUs ignore them because no one uses the CPU alone to render animations xD )

the 9950x is known for low improvement over the 7950x in gaming, okay production improvements gains though, you may want to consider 7950x if you'd want to spend more into the GPU

The 14900k is now know for EU instability due to code in the BIOS by mobo manufacturer and intel overvolting the CPU to death, so make sure to tweak the settings to make sure it doesn't go over 1.35 at any time, normally new BIOS should fix it, but it may or may not work xD

[wintry ore]

Thanks for the insight.
I don't do Gaming at all. I also know nothing about overclocking and aren't interested in playing around with it.
Just want a PC that rocks hard with Blender and Unreal and those things that are GPU intensive.
The GPU at this point is probably going to be a RTX 4070 Ti Super 16Gb.
One store said to look at a RTX 4080 Super 16Gb (supposedly 15% faster than the 4070, but also 20% more)
PC stuff is rather expensive here in NZ, so I have to choose carefully. As a pensioner, resources are always limited. Trying to understand the tech is also very stressful.
I've never had an AMD PC, they have all been Intel. The question I am constantly asking myself is...how much is enough to have a great 3D experience?
There are way too many options!
Thanks again.

[orchid iron]

just make sure to have a case with good air flow and good cooling so you don't cook your components and the rest is mostly up to personal preference how fast is good for you

Actually nvm, the budget you are comfortable with is first and then personal preference is second

[wintry ore]

Thanks.
The case is a real issue these days - > all Xmas lights a glass and nothing practical like 5.25 bays etc.
This could well be my last PC, so I don't want to bark too much like a chicken "Cheap Cheap"!
Still waiting to hear more from the PC stores about my comments.

[orchid iron]

PC stores do what PC stores do, they sell for as high as possible, just get something within budget even if it sounds cheap, what are they going to do? Refuse your money?

Actually, ask them if they can assemble PC components for you, that would be the most optimal thing, that way you could order an actually practical case like the thermaltake level 10 tg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Og3rmzUMeG4#

What's up with these new CPUs performing better than their last gen on specifically Linux

[violet spade]

People keep trying to make Linux mainstream

[orchid iron]

bruh, he specifically said the gaming perf was still bad, it is mostly for workstation tasks that are better on Linux than Windows

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Wh6WUmfZc4E?si=Rt1df30cHtlmmVRT

Wtf

What the fudge

There isn't even a listing on Amazon, wtf did reviewers gaslight us into thinking it was bad or was the stock that low?

[grave sundial]

It's being sold out. Just checked sites in India. Only two or three pieces left in stock on each.

[violet spade]

Likely they haven’t made enough yet. Just because some dudes we listen to on YouTube say the cpu is bad for gaming, doesn’t mean they won’t sell at all

[grave sundial]

Forbes benchmark says it's about 10% better with Adobe Premiere than the i9-14kwhatever.

And yes.

--- Retailers confirm supply is low. ---

[violet spade]

But it’s also quite common place to limit initial supply to test the market and give the product the whole “rare commodity” impression so people get that nice FOMO and rush into buying it regardless of the price. Apple does it all the time

[grave sundial]

Oh, it'll be restocked this weekend, apparently.

[orchid iron]

for a sec I thought user benchmark bought all ultra core 9 in the world

[grave sundial]

possible. you have to bench the bench of the bench of the bench of the bench to mark the bench properly.

[orchid iron]

bro really wanted to increase the "popularity score"

[grave sundial]

Was this CPU series touted as gaming processors?

All the negative reviews I find on Google pages 1 and 2 are about them being bad for gaming.

[orchid iron]

one of the intel slides showed it would be on par with 14900k on avreage

[grave sundial]

Ok, but did they market it with GAMING?

[orchid iron]

nah, they marketed it would be like slightly more efficient...Some perf improvements in workstation workloads, and then the "on par thing"

[grave sundial]

I was happy about it consuming only 120W TDP, but turns out it's 240W - yes, more efficient for the performance it provides - but I like lower numbers.

[grave sundial]

Ah.... the FPS.

[orchid iron]

idk what the marketing team of amd and intel are doing

[grave sundial]

I don't think they know either.

These days, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

Honestly, I wish they'd slow down a bit. Take their time, refine their products, get their pawns in order, and then play chess.

[orchid iron]

tbf, the bigger they mess up, the higher the discount on actually pretty decent products after software updates

it seems all companies are adopting the start of "push the content out, fix it later"

[agile lodge]

intel new platform is hold behind some tech like windows for example

also panther lake is coming

[devout pendant]

I think my blue ethernet cable doesn't support 1gigabit

I disabled and reenabled ethernet 10x, the status still shows 100mbit

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTMBqNbHUrs

[devout pendant]

do I lose speed if I use wifi 6 through usb?

[mighty patrol]

Usb would be slower than if it was hooked up to pcie yes.

Likely not very noticable however.

[devout pendant]

This guy is a clown he knows nothing about anything

Dual ccd 3d cache 9950x3d please

[devout pendant]

I just bought a cat6 cable of a quality brand

Began to notice that 5G was reaching 200Mbits, whereas the cat5e low quality cable was peaking at 98mbits

Your home internet is on 5g?

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZjqzQVc-So

128gb workstation laptop sounds amazing if they do it

[devout pendant]

They should start making mini itx PCs with good portable screen/keyboard/trackpad etc setups

High end laptop thermals are so dog shit

Have a little box plugged into a laptop-like device but it's just a thin, light, screen and keyboard/trackpad

[orchid iron]

I have a mini PC and its thermals are even worse than my laptop, high end mini itx PC should use water cooling otherwise I don't see how such a small space gets acceptable thermals

[devout pendant]

Yes water cooling would be ideal

But tbh if they used laptop boards with the chips soldered directly onto a single plate, then just chuck a massive heatsink and fans around it I reckon thermals would be great

I actually made a design for something like that when I was 16 lol

I even emailed NVIDIA and tried to buy their laptop GPUs but they told me to get fucked

[orchid iron]

you may aswell make your own laptop/mini itx from dyi parts (it has been done a few times)

[devout pendant]

Would be a fun project tbh
Idk how hard it would be to build a custom board and directly solder CPU/GPU/ran chips directly onto it
If you get 1 single board for the whole PC then cooling should be easy af

Or even just laptops but better designed tbh

[orchid iron]

there are videos about it online

[naive cloak]

there are motherboards with mobile CPU soldered directly, for example Minisforum BD790i, they also have complete Mini PCs

[devout pendant]

GPU is the more critical part
CPU is thin anyway even if you have to use a socket and normal cpu

Ofc it's possible but actually ripping the chip from a retail GPU card is a feat lol

[orchid iron]

Or just remove the Colling part on top, the GPU will magically become a 2D PCB that becomes super hot if powered

[plush turret]

they made projected keyboards

they sort of work

https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Wireless-Projection-Keyboard-Full-Size/dp/B01AXU2EJG/

[plush turret]

Might this be the bottleneck in my friends old youtube laptop?

https://www.parts-people.com/index.php?action=item&id=13873&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&adpos=&scid=scplp13873&sc_intid=13873&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwm5e5BhCWARIsANwm06hu0BeWkw_ztDD1DCG7VFTuyqiT_Ypi1Pr5GkO9BsRUAwDywImY_8MaAhBcEALw_wcB

Friend has the hp version of this

also if i need to get a modern version that can fit, what do i need to look for?

I know most wifi cards are kind plug and play + drivers. but this looks a little weird

[devout pendant]

just plugged in the new cat6 cable

now I get constant 1gbit

[nova moss]

i also have cat6 cable, but mine is flat cable

[median marsh]

that thing looks abused

[plush turret]

the cat6 in my attic looks even worse

its 50 feet of totally not supposed to get 140F wire

[violet spade]

You know, just because they’re Ethernet cables doesn’t mean they’re all cat 6 right

[plush turret]

i know

mine are

I bought them for it a few years ago

because everything else in the house was like cat 5

[mighty patrol]

😮

[stark idol]

My final build, all parts purchased. just waiting on the mail now. I bought the gpu, motherboard, powersupply, and case from a local company near where I live. Don't have to worry about the drop kickers in the shipping lanes lol.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Cecil_Merrell/saved/yKvwqs

I was going to go with silicon power for the system ram, but information on whether it actually supported amd was spotty so I when with the next best thing I could find for the price. I'm told that there's really no noticeable dif between cl-34 and cl-30 for the vast majority of things anyways.

The motherboard is overspeced but I wanted something to grow into without having to toss it out in 2.5-5years.

I also went from the ud90 series of silicon power ssds to the us75 as it's got a better price to perf for the same tbr rating with a 5year warranty. When gen 5 ssd's drop in price, I'll have a slot ready for it to live in.

I ended up going with that aio for not much reason other than I couldn't get a reliable source on a cheap alphacool core t38 360mm. And the reviews for it wern't that great from one of the pricier sources. So I resorted my list by looking for the next cheapest thing that wasn't as sketch for the install on the cpu lol.

the touch of rgb was a coincidence and the white color was the same in price as the black so I decided to match the cheap case.

[orchid iron]

part list is private, noice

based choice xD

[stark idol]

you can't see the parts?

gonna fix that lol

Fixed - https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Cecil_Merrell/saved/KPVdFT

[orchid iron]

Nice stuff, have you checked that all this fits into the case? Might be too small

@devout pendant https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=luRx0So4KJA

[stark idol]

lol, I was actually just watching that one

[devout pendant]

The writing on it reads "CAT5"

[devout pendant]

It's incredible how in aliexpress there are tons of cheap 64TB storage devices being sold. Why don't they send these scammers to jail? 64TB cheap doesn't exist.

[orchid iron]

time to buy myself some 64 TB drives

[violet spade]

Because it’s China

[violet spade]

Yeah, the absolute max a CAT5 can do is 1Gbps and if it’s long and in a shitty state, it probably won’t, like yours didn’t. CAT6 has 10Gbps max so no problems

[devout pendant]

I downloaded too many games and this filled up my 1TB disk

I'm considering an external 2TB disk

[fresh fog]

Ooh no, don't run games off an external disk

Loading speeds will tank like nothing else

[echo wadi]

if its an ssd through usb3 it will not be that bad, i was once running a game through network share & wifi, dead by daylight was loading in about a minute 😂

[violet spade]

A minute is a long time for loading a game

[echo wadi]

i dont mind waiting a bit, but also this was just an experiment

not so long ago windows boot time was longer than that

[violet spade]

Yes, and now it’s <10s and life is good

[plush turret]

is there a reason my pc claims my SSD is having issues when its been used for a while?

aside from the random alert it doesnt seem to be having issues, and no one thing seems to trigger it

[fresh fog]

have you ran a drive health check?

[mighty patrol]

crystaldiskmark?

[plush turret]

every check comes fine, until i get that notif

but i dont notice anything on my end

its kinda weird

[fresh fog]

How long have you had rhe SSD?

[fresh fog]

Any really

[mighty patrol]

Samsung magician? lol

[plush turret]

since 2018

500gb NVME

was ludicrously expensive

but its a good one thats survived being lightly burned and drowned without failing yet

[fresh fog]

Hmm, it is getting to the end of an average ssd lifespan

[plush turret]

https://www.memory4less.com/samsung-ssd-mzvlw512hmjp-000h7

thats the model

for like 3 of those years it wasnt even powered on

sat on a climate controlled shelf in an antistatic crate as a backup

in a laptop

[fresh fog]

I'm willing to bet being lightly burned and drowned might shorten that life span a little bit

Keep doing OS images and backups regularly

Keep on a secondary drive

What are the drive checks reporting after the error?

[plush turret]

gotta wait for it to pop up

to run again

[fresh fog]

Perhaps it's lifespan became tied to Bill the Succulent

[plush turret]

honestly, I have nothing on this drive i cant get from somewhere on the cloud

😂

yeah, poor bill

told my dad they dont need to be watered

like thats the whole reason i bought the fcking thing

[fresh fog]

Honestly still worth taking images just so it's less of a PITA if it dies

[plush turret]

because its even more low maintenance than a cat

you water it like maybe a mouth full of spit every 2 weeks and its happy

and bill was a low sun version, as long as he got like 2-3 hours of direct light, he was fully happy

so, shades set to open a little in the middle of the day to give him some fuel

occasional bit of leftover water in my cup and he survived almost a year

then dad kept trying to water it because the soil was dry

its from the fcking desert

its supposed to be damned dry

big part of why i never let my dad touch my stuff

i dont even trust him to feed the cat properly

i have an auto feeder and it has a weeks worth of food, a water fountain with several days

[fresh fog]

Lol, I bought a new one and it said to "keep it moist, never let the soil dry out"

My brother in christ it's a cactus.... it lives in sand

[plush turret]

yeah

I gave bill a solid pot of true compost

you have to literally try to kill something in this soil

its 20 years of decomposing horse shit and food waste mixed with a decade worth of chicken shit

bill almost doubled in size in the first 6 months

I also hate having to walk my dad through technical problems

hes still using weird program alternatives from 20 years ago

like an office alt thats called "open office"

which breaks at the drop of a hat, yet he refuses to simply learn g-docs

he wont pay for normal MS office stuff

[devout pendant]

Based

But tell him to just use office online for free or download and use an activation script

Open office is better than g docs tho wtf

fuck Google suite

[devout pendant]

Uh

I've been sleeping at 7am and waking at 3-5pm for the past 6 months
I have a job interview tomorrow at 9am 💀

[agile lodge]

seems with new CUDIMMS on DDR5 for intel new platform with overlocking get so much speed what also improve performance in games and more

[agile lodge]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DB7vskMqaMi/

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[devout pendant]

12196 breh

[agile lodge]

you want 31369?

[orchid iron]

I think people want to see CUDIMMS does against GDDR7 xD

[orchid iron]

yes I agree, that video is "Uh"

[devout pendant]

I'm checking the prices, HDD 2TB is half the price of SSD. I was thinking on an external drive for backup purposes

Internal better
For backup you don't need an SSD, HDD is fine

my case has a support for an internal hdd

but I think I don't have the power connector for an internal hdd

[devout pendant]

I want 64,000

[devout pendant]

I already have 1TB SSD. I think it's too expensive to buy an external SSD if I'm not going to run anything from the extra storage

[nova moss]

i using the 1TB NVME instead

[orchid iron]

you could use an internal hdd as an external one, there are sata to usb connectors which costs like 10-20$ and are easy to use, just make sure the HDD moves as little as possible while it functions, it is made of of spinning plates after all

[mental timber]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/101462/us-policymakers-explore-merger-deal-to-save-intel-could-merge-with-qualcomm-arm-amd/index.html

[violet spade]

@mighty cosmos BM, you should’ve joined NASA https://youtu.be/ya_D9IwB3-s?si=eufT6DCM-Gmo8e5N

Wrong channel oops

[devout pendant]

Bruh

[wind egret]

...Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger ran his mouth and lost a reported 40% discount from semiconductor giant TSMC after remarks about Taiwan and China.
I would like to hear more.

[violet spade]

He probably said Taiwan is part of China or something equally stupid 😄

[plush turret]

Is there a reasonable way to wall mount this? I plan to set this up with Home Assistant and end up linking pretty much every smart device i have to it

https://a.co/d/0U6Kf3m

Dont need a lot of access to it, mouse and keyboard are wireless and it can remote connect to a screen or i can wall mount a tv near it for constant access

I can always remove the MB, put screws through the case into the wall and then remount everything

[orchid iron]

average CEO arrogance, Intel is filled with those, explains why they are where they are

hopefully A18 is a good node, I'm pretty sure that will determine the price at which they'll be bought for

[orchid iron]

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/2356328/AMD-Ryzen-7-9800X3D-8-Core-Processor

how tf did user benchmark get a 9800x3D sample 5 days ago?

[median marsh]

There are too few samples to reasonably determine how consistently this CPU perfroms. This result should be interpreted with caution.

idk how trustful their whole process of benchmarking is at all, so i would take it with caution

[orchid iron]

also the Intel Core Ultra 9 285K is at -765% in their "value & sentiment" category

[orchid iron]

it's a meme, but still how they got a sample from AMD is beyond me

oh actually never mind, the Core Ultra 7 265K is at -2027% in this odd "Value & Sentiment" stat

[devout pendant]

Ngl I think they just make up numbers lol

[orchid iron]

are you sure? They sound like the last bastion of truth and hope against the most evil of all companies Advanced Marketing Department otherwise known as AMD, they truly shine above all reviewers to deliver the truth that no one wants to hear!
I trust this source to give me unbiased product reviews (real)

[devout pendant]

I am currently on a 3700x with 32GB ram at 3200mhz on a B550 pro; and want to upgrade cpu in-socket (AM4) I am struggling to decide on the 5800x or the 5900x. What is your suggestion?

Compiled times being the reason I want to upgrade. 5800x has the same 8 cores, but the 5900x is 12 cores. More cores better? Or is the use of those cores better such as the 3D cache on a 5800x3D?

Does Epic games use R9 5950x CPUs on their worstations?

[plush turret]

would this allow me to wirelessly connect a display via HDMI?

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lemorele-Portable-Wireless-HDMI-Transmitter-and-Receiver-Dongle-HDMI-Extender-Kit-0-2kg/3781258922

[orchid iron]

nah, they use threadrippers with an enormous amount of cores because they can afford it xD

tbh, if you don't mind spending time compiling you could even stay on your current cpu, it's all a matter of personal preference, but you could wait a few weeks and watch the 5950x prices to snipe a really nice deal for that 16 core cpu

out of curiosity, what cpu cooler do you have?

[orchid iron]

this stuff looks really neat, how did you find it?

[plush turret]

google

[orchid iron]

pog

[plush turret]

I need a wireless HDMI option because where im putting a TV means i cant really hard wire it

Hardy Board does not play well with hole drilling

[orchid iron]

have you tried using a gun?

[devout pendant]

Stock AMD cooler that came with the 3700x

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-spider-man-no-way-home-you-are-insane-green-goblin-no-way-home-gif-26007498

[orchid iron]

alright, so you'd want to at least get a thermaltake peerless assassin before getting a high core count cpu

also 32 gb of ram is kinda on the low end aswell, so consider upgrading that aswell

[orchid iron]

I like the long pause you had thinking if that was a good solution or an insane one

[plush turret]

Instantly insane

[hollow moth]

Hey! I finished building my first PC on saturday, and wanted to share my specs with you. Feel free to roast me. I am open for questions on part-choice. Here are its specs: RX 7800XT, Ryzen 5 7500f, A B650 Motherboard, 32GB DDR5, Be Quiet Pure Base 500 FX, 1TB M.2 SSD, Thermalright ARGB cooler, 750w Gold+ PSU.

[orchid iron]

1tb m.2 ssd and a gold psu doesn't tell us much about those, did you perhaps cheap out on them? Hmmm

same with the b650 mobo

[hollow moth]

I hope I didn't! 750e from Corsair, B650 Tomahawk (could've gone a bit cheaper lol), 1TB Lexar NM790

[orchid iron]

oh, is it the Rm750e?

[hollow moth]

Yes!! That one!

[orchid iron]

yeah, all those parts are good, either you are secretly really good at part picking or you asked someone really good

[hollow moth]

Nope! 1 Week of planning MWHAHAHAHAHA

It looks super dope too

[orchid iron]

that 1 week sure was worth it

also, what was that thermalright cpu cooler?

[hollow moth]

I'm happy you like it : D

[hollow moth]

Wait a sec

[orchid iron]

peerless assassin?

[hollow moth]

The Phantom Spirit I think

[orchid iron]

nice choice aswell

[hollow moth]

Thank you! It's not the quietest thing on earth, but it keeps my CPU pretty cool.

[orchid iron]

oh it's a gigabyte 7800 xt

[hollow moth]

Yeah, I liked it visually!

[orchid iron]

beware not to overclock it, they don't do that well overtime

[hollow moth]

True, I didn't do that yet. Thank you for the tip though!

[orchid iron]

had you gone with a saphire or an XFX one, it would of been very nice choice for amd gpu, gigabyte and other big board vendors are all trying to cheap out, so you may or may not struggle with their warranty polices

[hollow moth]

Noted. The XTX sadly wasn't in my budget. I also feel like the 7500F would be a significant bottleneck.

Oh XFX xD

[orchid iron]

I meant XFX sorry

tbf, the XFX rx 7900 xtx sounds hilarous

[orchid iron]

it's entry cost, you'll be able to upgrade it later, don't sweat it too much

[hollow moth]

True lol! Also, between us, I didn't go with the XFX because it would've arrived 5 days later if I ordered it from Amazon, and nbb.com didn't have it stocked xD

[hollow moth]

That was my plan! I'm kind of watching the 7800x3D, but we'll see what's good for price and performance when I do decide to upgrade.

[orchid iron]

you are too late, amd stopped production, so prices are soaring high, next best option will be 9800x3D when prices for that drop down

[hollow moth]

Goddayum.. The 9800x3D is better anyways lmao

[orchid iron]

oof, make sure to treat your gpu nicely then, look up support brackets and how to make some, GPU weight are slowly starting to damage GPUs because of massive cooler needs

[hollow moth]

Oh, I'm defo gonna do that

[orchid iron]

oh I also gotta reccomend you something real good for any am5 cpu one sec

@hollow moth https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/contact-sealing-frame/s-tg-csf-am5

this is for easier thermal paste application

[hollow moth]

Speaking of the GPU, I was surprised that the AMD-Shittalk isn't even justified, like my RX 7800XT is getting 120 - 130 FPS in the standard Third-Person template on max settings, where my MacBook Pro 2019 (which I switched from) only ever got around 20 FPS on all low settings

[orchid iron]

amd did have a lot to go through before arriving where it is at today, most people just aren't up to date

[hollow moth]

Thank you! I was considering a contact frame because I feared that my thermal paste would get into all little crevices of my CPU

[hollow moth]

Makes sense

[orchid iron]

it won't damage anything, not the cpu, not the motherboard (unless you got liquid metal paste or other conductive pastes) it is just purely quality of life

[orchid iron]

yo, you coming from Apple?

[hollow moth]

Yep, thankfully thermal paste is non-conductive, so it wouldn't damage the mobo if it accidentally got on there. I'm defo not gonna do it with liquid metal

[hollow moth]

YESS!

[orchid iron]

then I reccomend dual booting Linux, you'll feel right at home with the KDE plasma desktop

https://nobaraproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/n40-kde.png

[hollow moth]

Phew! Clean!

[orchid iron]

this is from Nobara Linux

https://nobaraproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/n40-official.png

also has this style

[hollow moth]

And I felt cool dual-booting Windows 💀

I love Linux. I used it for the first few years when I got into programming

But since I'm a gamer and I don't like compatibility layers, Windows 11 left me no choice

[orchid iron]

fun fact, somehow these compatibility layers make some games faster that on their native OS

[hollow moth]

Wait fr?

[orchid iron]

yeah, windows 11 messing up that badly

[hollow moth]

I guess it makes sense if they translate from DX12/DX11 to Vulkan/OpenGL and they end up making it even more optimized

[hollow moth]

Massive L for Windows

[orchid iron]

that's why I'm reccomending just dual booting and trying out what games/apps work and which one don't, because the ones that do work feel much better without windows

[hollow moth]

I might do that when working with UE5 when I'm travelling

Nice tip

[plush turret]

gotta love HP elite bios systems

I installed a fresh new drive, for a clean install from windows for a USB... drive has never been used

now it has a locked password

which no other pc notices

[normal cairn]

Does this discoloration on an SSD raise any redflags for anyone? Water cooler for CPU but no signs of a leak anywhere.

Reason for inspection being random bsod followed up by system unable to find any Bootable devices in bios

Discoloration does not wipe away.

[median marsh]

i would google if others without water cooler noticed the same

quite possible that the coating just changes from heat

[mighty cosmos]

Not sure but it's maybe from heat?
Suspiciously around the electronics there as well

[normal cairn]

Hmm think it might be just that. Reseated it in the same slot and PC started booting normally. Appreciate the input y'all.

[orchid iron]

if there is a chance the slot might be bad, you could buy an M.2 to usb slot, they are pretty cheap

[devout pendant]

Well 9800x3d is fire so that's good

If the 9950x3d ships with dual ccd 3d cache then it can be the gaming AND productivity king unlike the 7950x3d getting clapped by the 800

[orchid iron]

9950x3D will also have more time to cook in the oven

especially its windows drivers

[grave sundial]

https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1380/1*GDk-yNmT9oiaCSco7XrESg.gif

Like this?

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-why-angry-gif-26188112

[grave sundial]

for the environment.
saving gas.
not using the stove.

good juju.

better compiled potatoes.

[orchid iron]

you don't even have ram installed what are you even saving?

[grave sundial]

gas, lpg, cooking fuel, etc. etc.

also, calories. no need to walk to the kitchen.

[orchid iron]

oh, I lost all data in one of my backup ssds

[grave sundial]

should've cooked those potatoes properly.

what happened to the ssd?

[orchid iron]

I wanted to resize a partition

[grave sundial]

oh...

crap.

[orchid iron]

on the plus side I gained a free 1T ssd yay

thankfully I have 2 extra storage that I used for backup, so it wasn't a big deal...But I think I had stuff that I didn't back up elsewhere like various game save files

my non profesional data got yeeted rip

[grave sundial]

non-professional po**... er, data is the most important data.

[orchid iron]

I know, and I just lost over 300gb of it

not like I had time to browse it anyways

[grave sundial]

It is time to summon adventurers and seek out the important data once more.

[mighty cosmos]

Upgrading the PC right now so will know in a bit what speeds I will get with 4 dimms

[grave sundial]

which processor?

[mighty cosmos]

9950x

[grave sundial]

the specs usually tell you what speeds you will get with 2 and 4 dimms.

[grave sundial]

you could probably OC to 4600/5200?

[orchid iron]

192 gb?

[grave sundial]

128GB, if I remember the 256GB frog joke I made in the Lounge earlier.

[mighty cosmos]

yeah those are "stock" speeds
The x870 MB is able to push 2 dimms to 8200MHz stable
And apparently it's able to push 4 dimms higher as well so aiming for 5600

[grave sundial]

Makes sense. Does the BIOS have a profile for the 5600 OC?

[orchid iron]

128 gb on zen5 is actually decently stables on 6000 MT/s

Mobos don't matter for reaching 6000MT/s and zen4 and zen5 have same memory controller

So it should work well with 128gb

hopefully we either get a zen5 refresh with improved IMC or zen6 will be quite the big leap

[stark idol]

Just finished a compile test of unreal engine release source on my new system. Added up the completion times for all make sections for a total time from entering make to complete, 2066.72 seconds or 34.4453 minutes. The only thing I did for bios was set the default profile for expo. All cores were being assigned new tasks as they finished them and the total system ram usuage didn't go over 30gb.

on linux

[violet spade]

What’d you buy now, rich man? 😆

[mighty patrol]

rog mobo and all eh

Surprised you didn't get water cooled gpu

[mighty cosmos]

9950x and 128GB of RAM

@orchid iron@devout pendantGot 4800MHz stable with 128GB, looks like I might be able to get 5000 easily but gonna try some other time because I don't have the patience to wait for another 15m for memory training 😆

[devout pendant]

nice,what motherboard

[mighty cosmos]

it's ROG CROSSHAIR X870E HERO

[median marsh]

EITHER THATS A BIG CASE OR A SMALL 4090

[mighty cosmos]

gigantic case 😆

[median marsh]

sry for caps, had to write some Asus product names

those black "bars" are GPU support?

[mighty cosmos]

the story behind that case is that pretty much with every case I had before either something doesn't fit, it's too tight, it doesn't support a specific size fan... etc... I said screw it and went and bought the largest case I could find 😂

[mighty cosmos]

yeah

[median marsh]

are they mounted to the cases mainboard screw things?

i was so happy to get a smaller case since 5,25" drives aren't necessary anymore...

[mighty cosmos]

they are screwed through the MB into the case instead of the normal MB screws you would use

[median marsh]

did they came with the GPU or is that some 3rd party solution?

[mighty cosmos]

it comes with this gigabyte model

[median marsh]

nice, wasn't aware that they exist and all others looked more like they are just sticked in there and if you move the case they might fall off

[mighty cosmos]

building this PC felt like a workout lmao
Spend 5 hours building and additional 2 tweaking memory lol

[mighty cosmos]

yeah I like this solution the most, some give you a peg that you put below the GPU
This is actually screwed in and doesn't let it move

it would break the slot if there was nothing to support it 😆

now have to move the OS and the engine to the nvme and then gonna do some benchmarks

[grave sundial]

Same. I started at 10 p.m. and finished at 2:30 a.m. with mine.

BUT, the full tower is absolutely AMAZING. The cooling is a beast.

Well done. Enjoy your new rig. 🙂

[mighty cosmos]

Thanks

I started at 7-8pm, it's 5:30am now 😆

[grave sundial]

There'll probably be one or two days of troubleshooting somewhere.

[mighty cosmos]

my back will feel this for a while, it's numb

[grave sundial]

Other than that, you should be good to go. 🙂

[violet spade]

Lol ikr, cable management is nice but it takes forever

Gz on the new beast

[orchid iron]

what case is that? From Segostep? Thermaltake?

[orchid iron]

based

[mighty cosmos]

It's thermaltake view 71 snow

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah, the biggest pain

[violet spade]

I don’t see any snow in there, are you sure that water cooler is working properly? 😛

[mighty cosmos]

I have a slight feeling this will take a while

[violet spade]

Lol Deja alone

[mighty cosmos]

Ok I'm in, about to do an engine build to test it out

[vivid skiff]

So I'm falling in love with chiclet keyboard again
It's so comfortable to touch type and do hotkey things on. Also good for playing games as I'm not putting pressure on keys often

[orchid iron]

noice, they have such big cases

[orchid iron]

Ooooh, they are called chiclet, thank you for that keyword, I can now finally find them outside of laptops xD

[violet spade]

Looks like a Mac keyboard

[devout pendant]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/13gebka/crazy_question_is_it_possible_to_turn_off_ram/

@orchid iron whats ur take on this

i had a thought
buy a 192 4x48gb kit for unreal and run it at 3600 or 4200 or 4800 or whatever works stable
and run it as 2x48 at8000 for gaming

maybe im delulu

[violet spade]

turning off RAM while system is running...what could go wrong

[orchid iron]

If you want stable, you could go for zen6, at least that will have a brand new memory controller

2x48 at 8000 for gaming sounds awesome, but keep in mind, those 48gb sticks probably have dual ranks, so they'll be very heavy on the memory controller unlike the classical 2x16gb (check specs to see if they are dual rank or not)

Oh yeah, also if you remove and slot in ram every day, the gold on the slot and stick will wear out overtime, and you'll have to find a way to make it work again

[devout pendant]

well via software/bios
even if it takes a restart

[devout pendant]

when is zen6 lmao

[orchid iron]

Late 2025 maybe 2026

[devout pendant]

isnt 2x48 all dual rank

yeah not interested in removing ram everytime lol

its either 2x48gb at 6000 overclocked
or 4x48gb at 5200 underclocked

[orchid iron]

Idk, I never check, I just want big capacity so that I can allocate space on my ram as storage for game files to get those instant loading screens which my CPU is a big bottle neck

[devout pendant]

true but 4800mhz to 6000mhz itself is 5-10% fps boost for games

192 is native supported at 3200/3600
96 is on motherboard compatbility lists at 6400-7000
basically double the speed lol

[orchid iron]

Yeah, double the capacity on the same channel, half the speed (around)

[devout pendant]

just looked again
dont think id wanna try over 6000mhz anyway

fuck it ill just go 96 5600 and OC
its 1/3rd the price of 192 5200 lol

[orchid iron]

6000 MHz is a magical number until AMD update their infinity fabric clock, and then 8000 or over will become that magical number

That's why I mentioned zen6 too

[devout pendant]

yeah but im not waiting that long

ill build on 5090 release and probably wait 2 cycles for upgrade

see yall at 13950x3d + ddr7 256gb 10000mhz stable + 7090ti super

[orchid iron]

Nah, Zen 7 will be ddr6

But man, having 256gb at 10k MT/s sounds awesome

[stark idol]

Had to yoink the mid fan because the gpu was 5mm too long lol.
so I installed it up top sucking air out. the black one on the top is pulling air in, and the black fan on the back is pulling air out. so every part of the inside of the case is getting fresh air
while still maintaining positive air pressure to control where the air gets into the case from
It's getting fresh air cycled over the vrms with the back and back-top fans, the bottom fan on the radiation is also feeding air into the gpu with two thirds of the output going out the back of the case and the other third going past the back of the ram and out the top of the case.
All the white fans are tied together on the cpu fan header, and the two black ones have their own system fan 1 and 2 headers for power. For the rgb I tied them all together on the main rgb header of the board. I considered puting the black fans on their own rgb header of the second port for it but they couldn't reach and I had no more extention cables for it.

For not prioritizing rgb for my build, I sure got a lot of it lol

The top black fan is from the hyper 212 aircooler I got to use while waiting for the aio and to have as backup incase something happened to the aio

and to top it all off, it's way quiter than I thought it would be. My usb deskfan is making more noise than the tower is. My laptop was about 4x louder for sure.

[devout pendant]

Yeah until unreal engine 6 comes out with VR and uses all 256gb lmao

[devout pendant]

It's an interesting setup and something I've considered in theory but not sure how well it works in practice

In theory
The top front fan pulls in air which hits the ram etc then gets pulled out
The top black fan pulls air in which goes over MOBO bits and CPU and gets sucked out by rear fan

But I think you'd need to use smoke or something to test if that actually happens
There's a pretty good chance the air from the top front fan gets pulled out before it does anything useful
And there's a good chance the air from the top black fan gets pulled out prematurely too

Personally I would think having both the top white fans as intake and both black as exhaust is more likely to 'flow' air across the top of your PC
Or even top intake, front intake, rear exhaust

[devout pendant]

This is what I suspect the airflow is like now

[devout pendant]

This would be white intake black exhaust

Also that 360 rad with 240 fans is sorta like running a 280 AIO
You get a boost over the 240 because of the larger rad but it's not a huge gain
Atleast you have it as intake so it should be fine

But check your temps and consider buying a new case if it gets hot

I'm not 100% sure how significant it would be but I assume with your current AIO setup you will have a hotspot in the middle of the rad where's no fan, which is in the GPU area
Also the bottom intake fan is pulling in air that's been heated by the radiator so your GPU is getting warmer air and the right side of it is placed in a airflow deadzone

Again not sure how much of an issue it is but worth considering, if your temps aren't ideal get a new case

[stark idol]

ya, temps have been fine so far. nothing over 45c
you also forgot to factor in the bottom radiator fan into the whole simulation thing

2/3 of that airflow gets sucked into the gpu and exhausted out the back of the case, and the other 1/3 is exhausted out the top back up the right side of the case and out the top

also, any other config would imbalance the intake/outtake ratios and cause negative pressure inside the case. which would bypass the air filters lol

I also thought about your suggestion while I was putting it together, making both black exhaust and the 3 whites as intakes. but that would have the heat from the radiator sitting inside the case for longer. In this setup, each area of the case should have ample airflow while keeping the heat away from the vrms on the motherboard

especially since this aio doesn't have a vrm fan on the pump

the power supply pulls air from the outside the case in through the bottom and exhausts it out the back, so it has little to no effect on the overall air flow or temp inside the case

[violet spade]

Lol gotta love this gpu “sale” at BestBuy that ended Nov 7th and they just replaced it to say Nov 14th

[orchid iron]

out of curiosity, did you get any good deals before the 21th of november? Or are they all after it?

[violet spade]

Not really, waiting to see what they have for Black Friday tho

[devout pendant]

thats 1 single fan pulling in air through a warm rad, then feeding through the gpu and ssd before moving out
its a lot of time/distance for a small volume of air to travel
i dont think airflow from that fan is reaching anything above the gpu/ssd in any relevant capacity

but yeah if you did all 3 white intake you have air spending more time inside too, but its slightly warmer air flowing vs colder air doing nothing

if your temps good then doesnt matter anyway but you can always test various configurations and benchmark etc

[orchid iron]

Put both blacks as pushing air outside the case

Remove top white fan

Try to screw the extra white fan at the bottom to blast your GPU with even more air

This would be closer to a traditional set up, because if you push air in from top, you'll likely pull the exhausted warm air back it, creating a loop of warm air that doesn't benefit you

The better solution would be to upgrade that tight AF case

[stark idol]

ya, it seems to defy all logic. I was playing some star citizen about an hour ago. nothing when over 50c on all the temp probes

I also didn't use the crapy thermal paste that gets shipped with coolers and such. I put on some artic mx-6. been using their lineup for years now and have been very happy with it

[devout pendant]

so my phone is android 11. Any reason to buy a new one with android 15?

or can I force an unofficial rom to upgrade it?

[orchid iron]

Just depends if your phone can be rooted easily, which one is it?
Edit: depends if the bootloader can be unlocked easily, the root thing isn't necessary but makes things easier

[orchid iron]

Makes sense, CPU and GPU are the hottest, and they both have enough cooling, and as long as the rest doesn't suffocate from lack of air, there is not much difference from your set up and a more optimal set up

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRil4kmSPIo

[orchid iron]

This guy has a lot of male energy

[devout pendant]

yoo what ships you got

i got tired of waiting for the nova tonk and sold mypc lol
havent followed SC in years

[plush turret]

how would i get my audio to come out of both of my monitors instead of just 1

[devout pendant]

moto g 5g

[delicate crystal]

Any reason to wait until dexember or jqnuary for system purchases?

[agile lodge]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-core-ultra-200-launch-didnt-go-as-planned-promises-performance-fix-by-early-december

[agile lodge]

desk and standing desk compo https://lian-li.com/product/dk07/

[delicate crystal]

Thats a wild setup

[devout pendant]

that fan/rad setup feels goated

[devout pendant]

lmao how they gonna fix it

[mighty cosmos]

ok I got 5000MHz out of it
Stable so far at least, hasn't exploded in 4 hour of mem testing

[fresh fog]

That's gonna be one expensive explosion

[mighty patrol]

Gl gl

[orchid iron]

https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/kiev/variant1/

Official Lineage OS gets your phone up to android 14

the rest is all about being super careful to avoid bricking your phone, and also installing custom rom clears all your phone's data either way, so back up everything, messages, accounts photos etc

(also make sure the phone is correct, most custom roms are incompatible with the phone if there is like 1 letter difference or 1 number difference)

[agile lodge]

well the more rams and all get tested then proved now there was what works on what motherboard and more also adjusting some games performance as meteor lake and lunar lake on mobile platform so from that adjusting to desktop will happen

one is windows scheduler

[devout pendant]

I think they're just trash chips tbh

[agile lodge]

thjen all amd chips are trash too

[devout pendant]

Amd memory controller are trash but chips good

Intel 15th gen is just ass
And 14th gen is Russian roullette

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[orchid iron]

says the guy who doesn't know how to tweak his CPU to avoid degradation

[violet spade]

I don’t think you can avoid degradation

If you have one of the old skus you’re f-ed

[orchid iron]

degradation (excluding the oxidation manufacturing fail) happens due to excessive voltages, the engineers that made 12th gen were worried about frying the ring bus with elevated voltages
Meanwhile 13th gen and 14th:"Let's increase the core count and remove whatever limits we had previously"
So if you just limit the cpu's voltages in specific ways you'll get a pretty good 12th gen cpu

[devout pendant]

Imagine buying a current gen K CPU and not being able to run it at stock clock and voltages
Or not being able to overclock with default voltages

[orchid iron]

you can overclock by undervolt and get good performance

[devout pendant]

Imagine having a 30% failure rate

And imagine getting destroyed by a 2 gen old amd chip that's 1/3rd of the price

[orchid iron]

okay yeah that's an L, but hey, they reduced their price

for the same price as an 7800x3D or 9800x3D, you can get a cpu that's also really good at production workloads and multithreading

[devout pendant]

They reduced 14th gen because they launched 15th gen
And changed to some dumb naming scheme

Intel shouldn't be shipping beta test chips bruh

[orchid iron]

so should AMD

[devout pendant]

Agreed but atleast they work

I was Intel fanboy until ultra 9 lol

[orchid iron]

zen5% was done to beta test the x3D variants xd

[devout pendant]

Now I hope they go bankrupt

[devout pendant]

Valid

[orchid iron]

they are getting bought by either, apple, samung, qualcom or AMD

[devout pendant]

But atleast 9800x3d is the clear chart topper

[devout pendant]

Doubt US will allow non-US entity to acquire

AMD would be monopoly too

Apple or Qualcomm makes sense tbh

NVIDIA would be goated lol

[orchid iron]

yeah Apple has priority, but as long as the fabs and division are based in the US, government has control

[devout pendant]

Intel NVIDIA merger been in my wet dreams since I was 12

[orchid iron]

oh boy

[devout pendant]

Ik it's a pipe dream lmao

[orchid iron]

tbf now you'll get to pick between an Nvidia consumer arm CPU now

even more work to do for us devs to make sure our games work on them too

I'll have a budget testing full intel and full nvidia just for that xD

and main rig is full AMD

now that I think about, what if in the future the mobo are soddered with the cpu gpu and ram, and the only choice you could have is CPU/GPU cooler

[devout pendant]

Ew

[orchid iron]

ikr

[agile lodge]

if you dont update your bios for microcode and such you are screwed anyway

some say hyper had dream of arm and nvidia merger

[orchid iron]

The best part of it is that we still don't know if the most recent microcode fixes the issues, only a few months of time will tell

[agile lodge]

those what have already get issues isnt get fixed as those already have damage

[grave sundial]

But, you will never be sure if climate change and global warming didn't kill your CPU either.

Who knows if the sea flooded your CPU while you were asleep.

[verbal hollow]

Anyone got any recommendations for budget gaming laptops that can still run Unreal at reasonable fps on low settings? Just need something for low end hardware tests and it would be nice to get some c++/blueprint work done while on holiday 😄

[orchid iron]

Depends on the budget

[orchid iron]

Maybe the French fries oil got in my case which could damage the mobo which then could kill the cpu

[grave sundial]

Your pet mouse is frying french fries on the CPU while you sleep? 👀

Smart mouse.

Should start a restaurant with it.

[orchid iron]

Yeah exactly, which is why I should go amd instead

[grave sundial]

But if the mouse fries sell, you can afford the latest RTX 9000, which I've been told includes the bestliest CPU.

[orchid iron]

Yeah you are right, I'll go with an nvidia CPU then

The mouse frying business I could sell to a rich man for a few million and that way I'll be able to afford 2 systems

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVggLQXhGp4

anyone know what the case is?

[mighty patrol]

3d monitors, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Qazw9cVZY

[violet spade]

Ah yes, Linus tech, who doesn’t want to spend any money to make sure his team’s statements are accurate

[mighty patrol]

I mean, there's worse sources lol. Didn't see anyone else cover these monitors yet sadly.

I'd prefer other's myself too.

Apparently anti-cheat doesn't like them

[orchid iron]

imagine getting banned because of your screen xD

[mighty patrol]

There's the screens with built in cheats so wouldn't surprise me.

[mighty cosmos]

I'm pretty sure they were talking about using reshade mods to add 3d support to unsupported games

which yeah that will trigger anti cheats

[orchid iron]

makes sense

[orchid iron]

+200% faster auto aim reaction time
+420% kills per minute
and most importantly
Ai generated insults to send to your teammates when they screw up

[violet spade]

interesting

[agile lodge]

yeah it give it now

[grave sundial]

There was a guy who posted on reddit that GEForce Experience was crashing while installing drivers, but the NVidia App wasn't.

True or not, I switched quite a while ago.

[mighty cosmos]

The new app is much better
Been using it for a while now

[grave sundial]

Also, they claim to have fixed the driver problem with Corsair-something-something yesterday.

I didn't install yesterday's update yet, but if you have that corsair thingamajig and get an error, it might help.

[violet spade]

first time I got the prompt for it

[grave sundial]

Before, it was available as a Beta product.

You had to install it yourself.

[mighty cosmos]

yeah

[hoary urchin]

managed to get 4800 stable on dual channel with 128gb ram

pretty happy, 4800 is fine

[sleek pulsar]

thats epic, how large of a map can you make with 128 on a system like that?

[hoary urchin]

🤷 lol

i just do programming haha

getting 4800 was painful

timings are a bit whack atm

but yeah

[mighty cosmos]

I installed new fans now my previous 5000MHz 128GB settings don't work anymore lol

[hoary urchin]

yeah 4800 was painful to get too

[mighty cosmos]

Trying to get 5000 again now

[hoary urchin]

took me like 6hours

of pulling 2 sticks back to bios, tweaking, putting back in etc

waiting 10-15mins for training

if it didnt post, 2 sticks out, back to bios lolk

[mighty cosmos]

It's a pain, now I have to figure out why the hell new fans made a difference with ram

[hoary urchin]

power?

what PSU

[mighty cosmos]

I would guess more power noise or something

[hoary urchin]

im running 1000w platinum

[mighty cosmos]

RM1000x

[sleek pulsar]

I just upgraded to a new mb and cpu

[hoary urchin]

i have this psu

32GB ram is comical for Unreal work

i use that just building the engine

[sleek pulsar]

yeah. I'm broke, have to sell my ddr4 first.

[hoary urchin]

is on wifi :/

[sleek pulsar]

I created a 100km by 100km map with 48 ddr4, thats about as big as I could go without crashing.

[mighty cosmos]

Ddr5 is so finicky and sensitive
Trying to get 5000MHz with 128GB was a 2 day adventure

And now I have to apparently do that again because I replaced... The fans....

[sleek pulsar]

Its a young mans game

[mighty cosmos]

Ok I think I got it
Have to do some memory tests to see if it's stable

[hoary urchin]

might try to push more

but im happy at 4800

[sleek pulsar]

built a few systems this weekend and many times thought I'm getting to old for this.

[hoary urchin]

better than a lot of people stuck at 3600 to 4200

with 4x dual rank sticks

Total time in Unreal Build Accelerator local executor: 1226.48 seconds
Total execution time: 1253.63 seconds```

20mins for 6000 actions

[delicate crystal]

Wonder if it would help if it was loaded in sections? Probably outside the scope of this channel

[grave sundial]

Do not increase the voltage beyond 1.3V.

Some people do 1.35V, but the long-term results are deep fried, baked ram chips.

You can also INCREASE the last pair of digits in your RAM speed. People usually try to get that as tight as possible, but that results in instability at higher clock speeds. Conversely, if you are okay with a slightly higher latency, you can get more stable clock speeds by increasing it.

E.g. from 50 to 52/54, etc.

[mighty cosmos]

yeah I'm at 1.1 SOC, MC 1.209 and the rest just timings

[grave sundial]

You can increase it to 1.2 / 1.25 SOC.

1.1 will give you instability at higher speeds.

[mighty cosmos]

on this specimen of a CPU so far the lower volatages are more stable
DDR5 is weird

I can't get it to even boot at higher

[grave sundial]

Ah....

Is your mobo locked?

[mighty cosmos]

it's not, DDR5 is just very finicky and sensitive to everything
It's been known that DDR5 can work better at lower voltages, apparently less electrical noise or something like that

some work better at higher, some at lower

it's super finicky

[grave sundial]

1.1 is awfully low for OCing.

But, if that's yer chip... that's yer chip. 🤷

[mighty cosmos]

yeah on 9950x and x870E MBs you want the SOC to be about 100+ mv lower than your MC voltage

I won't complain that mine prefers lower 😆

[grave sundial]

If you can't get 5000, try for 4900.

A bit of compromise has stopped many wars. 😄

[mighty cosmos]

I got it stable now, I got 5000 before but now lowered it to 4800 and tightened the timings instead and that seems to give me more performance than 5000 with previous timings

[grave sundial]

that's generally true of OC, yes.

tighter timings are better than gentle increases to MHz.

[mighty cosmos]

yeah, 5000 felt like it's just on the edge of stability
4800 seems to be more stable plus allowed me better timings which is good

[grave sundial]

Was the 5000 failing with Mem Training turned on or off?

[mighty cosmos]

I originally got 5k working, but then I changed fans today which I guess introduced some electrical noise because I have 3 chained to 1 fan header (amps are fine, header supports 1A and each fan is 0.24)
And it failed memory initialization after, but then I messed with timings to get 5k stable again
But I'm gonna stay on 4.8k instead, seems better

[grave sundial]

Yeah, but did it fail with the Mem Training in BIOS on or off?

I forget what that setting is called in BIOS, the one that decreases POST time.

[mighty cosmos]

memory context something something
I have it do full training

[grave sundial]

Ah, so you had it turned off. Good.
That thing has been known to crash many an OC chip.

Yeah, I think it's the nature of your chip to work at lower speeds and tighter timings. 🙂

[mighty cosmos]

yeah it seems like there is a little bit of variance in each cpu and MB and dimms even if they are "identical"

[grave sundial]

I never turned the Mem Training thing ON. In the 20 seconds it takes to POST, I can fart, pee, kill a fly or two, make coffee, do drugs, and get back to the computer. No problems. 🙂

[mighty cosmos]

everyone seems to be finding different settings that work

[grave sundial]

Pretty much. Everybody's skynet is different.

It means we have always had AI.

It's in our silicon!

[mighty cosmos]

Replaced the fans today, some pics of what the system looks like in its final form 😅

[grave sundial]

Noice!

Link your lights to a music visualiser and let Linkin' Park rip. 😄

[violet spade]

That AIO is slick, what’s the brand

[mighty cosmos]

it's CORSAIR Hydro H150i iCUE Elite LCD XT

[grave sundial]

You MIGHT have to update to the latest NVidia GPU drivers, if you haven't aready.

The drivers that have been active until two-ish days ago have some bug with Corsair's iCUE.

I assume you already have.

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah I'm on latest, updated a few days ago

Thank you for the heads up tho

[hoary urchin]

why i need 128gb ram lol

[grave sundial]

I suggest donating 27GB to charity.

I'll be nice and accept a 26GB donation, too.

[fallen oasis]

Anyone have wireless headset recommendations?

(PC)

[sleek pulsar]

my rec is cable it. lol

I giggle when all my friends deal with charging and battery, interference issues...
Mine just work. I hate having my tools randomly not work well.

[mighty cosmos]

I use razer blackshark v2 pro and it's great

The mic quality if you care about that is one of the best you'll get on a headset

[median marsh]

the black friday scamming begins....

4090 prices...

[radiant wedge]

need mouse recommendations! dangit..

coded for ~25 years, 16 hours a day give or take, ever typing away, no wrist/hand issues ever, on whatever crummy laptops and "unergonomic" seating were around. then I get into unreal (BP not c++-based) and just a few weeks in, I realize I probably need a mouse, the touchpad wont do if I wanna spend whole days in this. at least it's what my wrist and thumb/finger joints scream out to me.

never thought I'd spend whole days in friggin clicky-clicky-ware 😁

please recommend me whatever mice you swear by for both least-straining and also (if that's a thing any mouse design can even deliver), most-productive — compared to typing (and being used to touchpads only) I find point-and-click software interaction ridiculously non-fluid and clunky, but maybe some mouse or mouse-alternative hardware out there makes a massive difference here?

but yeah, wrists. what mouse for all-day,every-day point&click work?

[violet spade]

I mean you could be one of those weirdos with vertical mice

this shit

[fervent jolt]

if you don't have any unique personal traits (requiring severe custom stuff, like that) and are hopefully right handed - glorious model o2. bind middle mouse to one of the side buttons, only use the scroll wheel for scroll.

[violet spade]

Does the mesh help your hand breathe or is it just for getting dead skin inside the hardware? 😄

[fervent jolt]

making cat memes is a high-activity high-mouse-hand-heat generating process

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-smiley-kitty-lmfao-rofl-lol-gif-10441562863592864665

[orchid iron]

I have a vertical mouse that I use daily, great for carpel tunnel as that muscle doesn't get squished at all

But using it for over 4 hours in a row without break will overuse like 3 other muscles

[spare sluice]

weirdo but without wrist pain at the age of 30

[fresh fog]

If you just want cheap and cheerful without it being a huge POS, I use a Corsair Harpoon RBG.

[fallen oasis]

Ordered. Better not be shit! 😄

[fallen oasis]

I found it for like 20% off RRP. Better not go lower in black fri-week.

[mighty cosmos]

from me for O2
I have 2 old model Os and now model O2

Really good mice
Btw it's ambidextrous, I use it with my left hand, the side buttons don't get in the way but you can't use them

[mighty cosmos]

It's primarily to reduce weight, the mouse is like 60-70g

But for me it helps to reduce sweating

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/kWXowzeYr8I?si=6iVLQrtKL943jrLa

[violet spade]

Hehehe I got one of the best Intel CPUs according to GN

[grave sundial]

which one?

[violet spade]

I5-12600K

[grave sundial]

Noice choice.

[onyx harness]

32gb with 4060?
Or 16gb with 4070.

[grave sundial]

Isn't the max VRAM on the 4060 16GB?

Or do you mean DDR RAM?

[onyx harness]

yeah sorry DDR ram

[grave sundial]

Get the max you can with two sticks.

I have 64GB.

[median marsh]

32GB with 4060 imho (if it's the 16GB 4060...)

don't get the 8GB one, then i would rather pick 16GB with 4070 and upgrade host memory later

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIWyYPBY9z4

[wise elbow]

16gb 4060 is in a weird place

[fierce olive]

will my XFX AMD RX-7800XT that requires PCI 4.0 x16 be compatable with my B550 aorus elite v2 that has PCI 3.0 X16?

As far as Im aware it shouldnt be a problem?

[mighty cosmos]

it shouldn't be a problem

it's backwards compatible

[orchid iron]

Your GPU doesn't "require", it is just the maximum of lanes it can use
Mining rigs used a lot of GPUs with only one lane because high bandwidth isn't a big deal for bitcoin mining

Also what CPU do you have? Because depending on the CPU you may have x16 pcie 4.0 or x16 pcie 3.0 available (from your motherboard specifications)

@fierce olive

[fierce olive]

I’m not mining I just use it for gaming and unreal engine I have r7 3700x I think it will bottle neck my new gpu

[orchid iron]

alright, so you'll have the x16 pcie slot which is next to your cpu at version 4.0, which is nice to have

it depends what you want to do with it, if you play at 4k or play at 1440p with high settings and no ray tracing, then it won't perform that differently from a better CPU because the main factor which impacts your fps the most will be your GPU in those senarios

Likewise with UE, if you use it for high quality and high resolution and low to medium ray tracing it won't impact you that much
Although, for UE your RAM capacity and SSD speeds are quite important aswell, what are the specs on those?

[fierce olive]

I play 1440p high qality with ray tracing use to have Nvidia gpu and used DLSS a lot but now i guess FSR? from AMD. For UE its fine i dont push graphics too much RAM and ssd are top noch high speed

[orchid iron]

alright, but how much ram do you have?

[fierce olive]

32gb

3600mhz

[orchid iron]

then you'll be fine, you don't have to worry about the cpu

[fierce olive]

You sure? CPU will have hard time keeping up with it

[orchid iron]

the GPU is much better than your CPU, that's for sure, but it'll also have to do way more than your CPU

few things will really push the CPU, ray tracing is one of them, so if you have low frame rate you can tweak some settings to reduce the load on the CPU
But overall the 3700x is not as bad as you may think

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qB7BkRtOpg&pp=ygUWZGFuaWVsIG93ZW4gYm90dGxlbmVjaw%3D%3D

if you want to know more about what is a real "bottleneck" I reccomend you watch this

[fierce olive]

I will thanks you have been huge help 😄

[orchid iron]

np

[fierce olive]

I just gotta upgrade new PSU and im good to go

[hoary urchin]

dang unreal

please spare my systems ram

[mental timber]

That is allot of ram

[grave sundial]

Let go of your memories.

You don't need them.

[orchid iron]

Wtf are you doing to be using so much?

[median marsh]

compiling or light baking on CPU 😄

[mighty cosmos]

Well both me and him went for that much memory because we knew we need it 😅

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/7i46CL591X0?si=-YvvRCfkvpqfxCGs

Rare leak of the 5090

[delicate crystal]

Anyone ever looked at doing an external NAS solution? Was setting up alerts for black friday and was thinking it'd be better to move my raid to an external solution, but it's not a space I know very well, not to mention performance considerations, especially with video or large assets.

[median marsh]

don't fall for black friday scams

[orchid iron]

Yup, and my conclusion was to just have an external enclosure with some disks or ssds

[sleek pulsar]

Seem like hardware upgrades should see more performance increases.

[delicate crystal]

makes sense. Didn't see a performance degradation having your storage being outside the system? I assume as it's just files that wouldn't be accessed a lot/asset files the answer is no, but figured best to ask now before spending money

[orchid iron]

it just depends how the drive is being accessed, if you are using multiple drives from one single sata connection, performance might be quite slow
In my use case I have a lot of sata connections on my motherboard but not enough space in my pc case, so I just bought an external case where there is a tone of drives in them all connected directly to the motherboard

[delicate crystal]

so currently it's 4 sata drives through a hardware raid card that i have set up as raid 5. What adapter are you connecting it to the motherboard with? USB-C?

[orchid iron]

each drive I have is connected to a sata 3 connector on my motherboard

[delicate crystal]

oh ok I get it now. I was thinking if you were doing a setup where you had an external NAS like QNAP

[orchid iron]

yeah, my use case was more like not feeling I wasted money on an expensive motherboard for nothing xD

[delicate crystal]

😄 I understand. Keep looking at my current setup and thinking if I'm wasting money as well (curretnyl priced out at 4k+...and that's without having a RAID)

[orchid iron]

I feel ya

[delicate crystal]

actually here's a though; is there a noticible difference between DDR4 and DDR5 ram? i ask as if there isn't, that's almost a grand off my build price (I have 128gb of DDR4 ram at the moment. Still have to sub out the board for a new processor along with a vid card upgrade

[orchid iron]

depends what cpu you have and what is your capacity, if you'd want an actual noticeable difference from picking high capacity ram and having it feel way better than ddr4, wait until zen6 or nova lake because those will be able to handle much better load and speed than current gen

[delicate crystal]

well the CPU I was looking at was the 7950x3d, but I'm not married to it

[orchid iron]

that one has many downsides, I'd wait at least until the 9950x3D, because the cache being above the cores makes it very limited in overclocking and in performance

[delicate crystal]

hmm ok that's good ot know

[orchid iron]

and the only downside of the 9950x3D is that it has the same memory controller as the 7000 series, which is why I mentioned you should probably wait until next gen so they have an actually upgraded memory controller (and also have 32 core CPUs)

[delicate crystal]

Makes sense. And by tgen maybe ddr5 memory prices wilk have reduced. Which woukd ve nice 🙂

[orchid iron]

indeed

and hopefully motherboard prices will become normal again xD

[delicate crystal]

Well i sense they wont be for us non americans, but we can dream

[gusty kiln]

For a laptop for indie scale projects (I'm not creating the next hyper-realistic thing that barely runs on a 4090), would a laptop 4050 suffice or should I look into a higher GPU?
I do need the portability, this is for work on the go, I have my actual mammoth of a desktop at home that runs UE5 comfortably.

[fallen oasis]

If you're creating a game, VRAM is king.

So soemthing with 16gb vram will be better than 12gb vram, even if the card is slower.

[gusty kiln]

Gotcha, VRAM is king.

Considering my current laptop can barely even launch the editor I'll take any improvement. Any real hard-core serious work and I'd rather be back on my machine that has a 7900XTX.

https://www.newegg.com/msi-vector-gp66hx-12ugs-066-15-6-intel-core-i7-12800hx-32gb-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-1tb-pcie-black/p/N82E16834156554?Item=N82E16834156554

Would this be decent enough to at least run the editor and do Indie-Level work?

[fallen oasis]

Probably?

Why can't you use your main machine?

[gusty kiln]

I need to use both. 1 is on the go, the other is not portable at all.

[median marsh]

i'll never get how people can be productive on the go...

i rather prefer to use that time to think about what i've done and what to do and sit down on a real workstation to get it done

[gusty kiln]

I travel frequently for work.

So I'm not always home.

[obtuse yew]

I'm looking for a 27-inch monitor with a 2560 x 1440 resolution, 100% sRGB, factory-calibrated, and an IPS panel. It would be great if it had more than 60hz. Could someone recommend a monitor or advise which ones to avoid? I'm considering Asus ProArt, Dell UltraSharp, or ColorEdge CS2731

[fallen oasis]

Remote desktop into your home pc from a shitty laptop 😄

[fallen oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/@monitorsunboxed/featured I think somebody linked this here once, but I'm not sure if it was this one.

[untold topaz]

I hope this isn't inappropriate to ask here, was going to grab a PC with Ryzen 7-8845HS, NVIDIA Geforce RTX 4060, 32GB DDR5, 1TB NVMe SSD, will this work decently with the engine? I don't plan on using every cutting edge feature, I care more about performance. I asked chatgpt because I am anti social but I mustered the courage to ask you kind folks. Thank you everyone!

[median marsh]

1TB with UE is a close call

and i would only take a 4060 if it's the 16GB version

generally you need more video memory for development than for playing games (because more assets are in video memory)

and 1TB may get you started but it can be though (depending on how many asset packs you keep around and if you build engine from source or if you need debug symbols for C++ development)

[untold topaz]

Thank you so much for your response, I genuinely appreciate it!!!

[mighty cosmos]

btw once you get them, the "music" equalizer profile seems to be the best, to me at least
Besides making your own

[orchid iron]

check if the SSD of your laptop can easily be swapped or even check if you can add a second one, some laptops have that feature and it is really good for you because that means you could have two 4 T ssds in the future for a total of 8T of really fast storage

actually wait, do you plan to get a laptop or a desktop?

[fallen oasis]

I don't know shit about making an equalizer profile correctly. 🙂

They're pretty good.

The bluetooth/pc switch seems extremely iffy, though.

[abstract wadi]

Hello! I'm getting a laptop with rtx4060, 8gb vram, 24gb ram, i7. Is it good enough to work on ue5? Im goal is to make films and render stuff out. Any help is appreciated thanks!

[mighty cosmos]

Tbf haven't messed with the Bluetooth mode too much, occasionally used it with my phone but that's about it

[orchid iron]

you'll struggle a lot with that unless it is low poly films and renders

tbf, if you are new, you could begin using low poly assets, bad hardware isn't an excuse to avoid learning UE

[abstract wadi]

Why though?

I used to use 1050ti, 16gb ram with ue4 a few years ago and it was good enough. I was hopong this would be enough to use models with 1k textures to make films and stuff and metahumans too.

[orchid iron]

It mostly depends on the scale of whatever projects you want to do, if you only mention hardware specs without mentioning the stuff you wanna do with it, it is fair to assume you'd want to do 4k 60 fps stuff with high details and ray tracing

But if a 1050ti worked fine for you previously, then a 4060 will be more than enough for the same tasks

[abstract wadi]

Well, Id be rendering out 1080p videos 24fps, no plans for 4k stuff rn. Cause I'm not making games. With the 1050ti I used it to make games. Id be using lumen and nanite and the scale would be medium and since its a film, it would be very selective of the things on the scene, Some are larger but mostly medium to small scale. The closer it is, id go with 2k textures.

[orchid iron]

Then yeah, you'll have an easy time with your incoming laptop

[abstract wadi]

Thanks a ton! I was nervous lol

[orchid iron]

No problem

[mellow galleon]

does anyone know of 4g/lte router that supports cell id locking (locking to specific cell on a matcht isntead of the nearest one)
mostly tplink/zte devices available on market

[dense stirrup]

Dear pc creator friends and masters,

I want to ask what GPU base line to make super detail photorealistic 3d with all of the UE features for couple of seconds (not a game and not a big vast open world, just a visual scene)

4070 ti super 16gb vram is what i would buy at first, but is it really a draw line to make it happen? I dont intend to make a big vast open world 3d photorealistic, i just want to make a couple of seconds visual video scene,

My budget is so limited right now and I decided to downgrade the gpu because if i still go with my first plan my budget will reach $ 3.150 usd. I don't even know how it works, this is my very first step.

It's not very wise if the 5000 series will launch in a short period of time and i already spent all of my budget. I can stretch my budget only to 4070 super 12gb, so to make that photorealistic full detail texture path tracing lumen and etc for only couples of second and not a big vast open world 3d, anyone can help me?

i asked chat gpt it suggested 3060 ti 8gb, 4060 8gb, im so confused in this confusing period of time. Which gpu should i buy for only a couple of seconds photorealistic 3d visual detail texture to produce? Could 4060 8gb already handle it, or adding additional vram 4060 ti 16gb already could, or 4070 super 12gb, or no other choice the least minimum is 4070 ti super 16gb please help me master 🙏🏼

Here is my very first spec pc build

• monitor samsung m7 43 inch
• m.2 adata legend 900 1 tb
• raptor matx case
• cpu cooler coolmoon 240mm aio
• r9 7900x
• psu nzxt 1200w 3.1
• kingbank 98gb 6400mhz cl32
• m.2 adata legend 900 2 tb
• studio monitor adam audio t8v

Still cant decide :

• gpu : 3060 12gb / 4060 16gb / 4070 s 12gb
• motherboard : x870 asrock pro rs atx / b650m mortar wifi matx

My very best regards

[orchid iron]

first off, the pc case is for mATX motherboards, I highly reccomend going for a bigger case as if you choose to upgrade the GPU in the future it will very likely not fit

I'm unsure about coolmoon never heard the brand can you link the product?

the ram is way overkill, the 7000 and 9000 ram speed sweet spot is at 6000 mhz, plus since you are using sure large capacity it will put a lot of stress on the memory controller so it may or may not be stable

is there any reason why specifically those 2 motherboards? B650 chipset motherboards offer better value due to their age (and also more mature BIOS) than the latest and "greatest" which support 8000 mhz (which isn't that great for the cpu you are using and may fry the memory controller if it can even post)

also you shouldn't trust any AI with PC building, content creation is a very vague term, so budget allocation may change a lot depending on what you are actually creating

for example the 3060 vs 4060 is one of the weirdest things about GPUs, if you look at the specs the 3060 seems like it is clearly superior than the 4060, but because the architecture is brand new but real world results show the opposite and the 4060 beats the 3060 by a small amount

if you aim for the highest graphics then try to make your pc have the most essential components, remove all the extra bells and whistles to then spend as much as possible on the GPU

Btw how long can you wait before PC building? Because AMD rx 8000 GPUs are set to offer really good ray tracing performance for a much better price than current gen (plus also the 5070 might be pretty interesting if it is priced okay)

[dense stirrup]

https://id.shp.ee/KdkbrbS

[dense stirrup]

For the pc case and aio is the very first part i bought, i can return it to the seller, i was preferred to choose a small pc case but then get confused with x870 has pcie 5 if i would upgrade my gpu

[dense stirrup]

My main goal is only to make this photorealistic for a couple of seconds, perhaps 10 - 15 seconds, I'm not building a game, i just want to create a photorealistic detail visual scene, i want to start learning it, but don't want to spend too much on gpu because im still not sure yet to make a career in this industry, this is my very first step, i have to spend my budget wisely, im totally new to this world, so my aim is i could make photorealistic detail 3d visual scene only couple of second like this reference, so what is the least minimum gpu to buy to create this without having a problem?

[dense stirrup]

Yess master that's why i choose to buy the least minimum only to start, if in the future my chances of job still open and i need to upgrade my gpu, i already prepare all of the components, it'll be easier to sell 1 part which is gpu, and the loss is still small,

[dense stirrup]

Every research i found people are always told to buy nvidia if you intend to do 3d, im like catching a ghost for a month, these are the parts i haven't bought yet :

• kingbank 96gb 6400mhz cl32
• adata legend 900 2 tb
• adam audio t8v
• gpu 4060 16gb / 4070 super 12gb / 4070 ti super / 16gb
• motherboard x870 pcie 5 but atx / b650m pcie 4 matx also cheaper

[dense stirrup]

Do you really need 7000mhz / 9000mhz master? Theres no speed in this 96gb catagory

[orchid iron]

Chipset specs are a "minimum" for what the motherboard can have

Check motherboard specs and you'll notice most if not all b650 motherboards have pcie 5.0

[dense stirrup]

I mean for the gpu master

[orchid iron]

Exactly you don't, there is very noticeable diminishing returns for going beyond 6000 which people call the "sweet spot"

Also when I said 7000 and 9000 I meant the Amd Ryzen CPU series

[dense stirrup]

HAHAHA sorry master, got dizzy already hahahaha

[orchid iron]

If you are going for a non-real time render then a low end nvidia GPU will be enough to achieve your goal, but the question is what else do you plan to use it for, and also can you wait a long while for your scenes to render

[dense stirrup]

Yes master, as long as it is still capable of handling like the reference i showed without any lag or crash, it will be good enough for my very first step, im totally still newbie idiot here master

[orchid iron]

Pick a case that could fit a 4090 in it

Even if you don't ever plan to buy such a massive GPU, if you are the one building the PC, it is really difficult to work with a small case

Also how much is the AIO in USD? Because dual tower air cooler might be much better performance per dollar

[orchid iron]

Please drop the "master" thing it is too much xD

[dense stirrup]

I bought it for $54 usd

Its a chinese AIO friends bro hehe

[orchid iron]

Okay, that's a pretty good deal for an AIO, just make sure it works and it'll do wonders

[dense stirrup]

Okay then its clear the only choice is to buy x870 to prepare for the 5000 gpu which has pcie 5 and return the case for an atx case, this case has max gpu 400mm and cost $30

[dense stirrup]

So what is the best value minimum gpu i should buy lab bro? Or perhaps just don't buy any gpu yet wait until 5000 release?

[orchid iron]

If you are going low end, then upcoming GPUs won't affect your choice because they are all mid to high end (apart from Intel battlemage GPUs which are coming in a month) so maybe just wait until reviewers check if the new Intel GPUs are worth buying

[dense stirrup]

Actually im still wondering about 5070 ti 16gb

[orchid iron]

Can you list a few B650 motherboards that are at a good price?

[orchid iron]

Likely too expensive

But you could wait a see as it doesn't cost anything to wait

[dense stirrup]

I was going to buy b650m mortar wifi for $235 in my country

[dense stirrup]

I was going to, thats why I'm making sure right now does 4060 ti 16gb could already handle making these scenes for a couple of seconds, have you make photorealistic detail with UE 5.5 lab bro?

[orchid iron]

That's so budget it doesn't have pcie 5.0, any other b650 that are at a good price?

[orchid iron]

Again, non-real time render means you basically do a short movie and it'll render frame by frame for a good amount of time (likely 1-3 hours)

So if you are going for that even a normal 4060 will be enough

But real time is a different story

[dense stirrup]

Even full with ray tracing, lumen, and all the details, all of the effect and features UE 5.5 so 4060 ti 16gb already capable enough to make like in those pictures for 15 second scene or short movie?

[orchid iron]

Yeah, you could even go for the 8 GB variant if the price difference is too big

[dense stirrup]

You mean this dude lab

[dense stirrup]

Omg just like what chatgpt said thank you so much lab bro 🙏🏼 you've just fixed my worry for a month

[orchid iron]

No
The specifications from the Chipset are different from the specifications from the motherboard

The table you showed are the "Minimum" specifications that a motherboard with the corresponding chipset can have

For example the Gigabyte B650 gaming x ax has pcie 5.0

Which is why I asked the motherboard names because it is ultimately the motherboard specs which tell you what do you have

[dense stirrup]

This one?

[orchid iron]

yes there we go see, motherboard specs may differ from chipset specs

although these listings don't mention if the x16 slot is gen 5.0 or 4.0, you should check the place you want to buy the components at and check the B650 motherboards with an okay price and from their check their specs

[dense stirrup]

I think it will become a b650e name

Actually i dont really understand this, but x870 it can be expo to 8000mhz ram or this pro rs wifi tested stable at 7400mhz, i dont intend to become a hard gamer or dont actually understand what is used for, could you help me understand lab bro? I'm still confused about choosing a motherboard, already overwhelmed, i just know it already has pcie 5x16 if i want to upgrade the gpu with the next gen, and it has the best price, great phase (so the heat will be minimized) hahaha im totally newbie trying to learn everything, im so sorry dear pc fam with my stupidity

[orchid iron]

this is a motherboard that failed to boot at 8000 mhz even though it advertises that it can support it

Now that may be due to them being brand new and perhaps a BIOS update fixed it

I wasn't aware that this motherboard had a really good price, if it is close (in terms of price) to the other motherboard you mentioned then it is a very nice buy

[dense stirrup]

What is it used for 8000mhz lab brother? Will I be needing it? From what i learned the cpu sweet spot is at 6000mhz and you also said that, it is so confusing 🥴😵‍💫, in my country the cheapest x870 only choices are asrock pro rs wifi or gigabyte

[orchid iron]

any of these are fine for what you want to use it for
You could even look at the B650 and B650E prices to see if you see anything interesting as one of them may also have pcie 5.0 in the x16 GPU slot

the 8000 mhz is likely for the ryzen generation after 9000 because as mentioned "sweet spot is at 6000mhz" so having motherboards being able to reach that high isn't necessary

[dense stirrup]

I seee thank you so much master 🙏🏼, but the cheapest for the pcie 5.0 gpu option is in x870, b650e or x670e is more expensive, i rarely see b650 or x670 has pcie 5.0 for future upgrade,

also actually i still dont really understand every part, i've just tried to learn everything at once, any advice will be helpful, all i know if i can make a career in this field i will need a faster gpu, and next gen gpu will be pcie 5, for my very first pc build i will just go with the best good value cheapest option master, thank you so so much master lab, u are truly a help 🌹🌹🌹🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🥂🥂🥂 wish you health and happy always master

My very best regards

[orchid iron]

have a good one, the x870 asrock pro rs wifi or the other gigabyte are good choices to start out with

[dense stirrup]

I think these are mobo that have pcie5x16 in the same price range master lab, i cant find any best price other than these, gigabyte has a fewer power phase master

[orchid iron]

Yeah, these are good motherboard choices, Asrock has really competitive prices compared to the other 3 major brands

[wise elbow]

anything more than 10 vrms is total overkill tbh, especially if they have a decent heatsink

[wise elbow]

if you just want pcie5, there's not much reason to get something other than b650e

the only think the x870e has over the older boards is that the nicer boards tend to allow high memory clocks

but anything above 6000 cl30 for ddr5 is pretty pointless tbh

and then it's all down to the IO you want

if you don't have any special needs that doesn't really matter

im also not sure id ever advise someone to get a 4060, the 8gb of vram is arguably already obsolete

and speaking from experience, dlss looks bad at 1080p

[dense stirrup]

Yes i think the same personally, the wisest move right now for me personally ill just buy the cheapest option which is 3060 12gb if this is capable enough to make a photorealistic full details textures all of the effect UE 5.5 could applied and all of the features to make 10-15 seconds cinematic movie scene, if 3060 12gb could handle it smooth enough, that's enough for me to get started learning this 3d world, especially for this period of time with the next waves at the edge, until 5000/battlemage launch if i could make these scene for couple of secs, im happy already i can take my very first step

[dense stirrup]

Truthfully im a total noob and i dont exactly know what spec i want and what i need, my only goal for my first pc build is to make that couple of secs scenes, and prepare all of the parts longevity, like i showed in the picture the cheaper option only b650 steel legend that has pcie 5. The price difference is $ 5 usd. My head already burns thinking buying matching learning everything at once, so i just bought x870 master

[delicate crystal]

The town square scenes, id ve intreated to hear what hardware setup was needed for that. 4090 card it looks like?

[orchid iron]

he doesn't want to render them real time, just making a short few second movie

[orchid iron]

the reason I'd recommend the 4060 over the 3060 is if you render a scene with extremely high details and ray tracing, the architecture upgrade will likely be more significant, because I'm pretty sure in both cases the memory will spill out of the VRAM and into the RAM

[dense stirrup]

Yes im not making a big vast open world game boss creed, i just want to make cinematic high detail photorealistic short movie scenes for a couple of seconds, and im still a noob dont understand any technical, i just can imagine it, if i could make a path career which theres one my friend offered me a job for 3d artist, i will buy the high end gpu, but for me as a starter my goal is only to make 10-15 seconds photorealistic short movie scene

[dense stirrup]

Thank you so much boss lab, i already bought 96gb ddr5 6400mhz cl32, i found a good deal with a used 3060 12gb for $170, does it will do the work just fine? Or the least minimum just go with 4060 ti 16gb boss lab? Shouldn't think another lower end gpu good deal option 🙏🏼🥂♥️

[orchid iron]

ngl, that's a pretty good deal for a 3060, it goes for double that price where I am, congrats on scoring it

[dense stirrup]

In my country still can get brand new 3060 12gb for $240 used for $170 im still asking the condition with seller, 4060 ti 16gb brand new $430 used $370

[orchid iron]

what brand are they? Gigabyte? Asus?

[dense stirrup]

So where should i start with lab boss? Go with 3060 12gb if only already can make my goal happen without any problem or lag or bottleneck just to wait for the next wave at edge 5000/battlemage, or go with 4060 ti 16gb, or 4070 super 12gb max $560 brand new zotac, or 4070 ti super 16gb brand new zotac super max my budget for $750 with my goal only just stated above for my first step, my total first build pc $3000 max

[dense stirrup]

3060 12gb galax, 4060 ti zotac

[orchid iron]

wait your total budget is 750$ or is it for just the gpu?

[dense stirrup]

750$ gpu only, but if i spend it right now 5000/battlemage release in short time, my total budget 3000$ will be gone, if i take the cheapest option i still can prepare rest of my budget to buy high end gpu next gen if i can make this work as my career,

Here is my pc build

• monitor samsung m7 43 inch $370
• adata legend 900 1 tb $60
• raptor matx case $25 (loss refund)
• cpu cooler coolmoon aio 240mm $55 (loss refund buy air cooler / upgrade to 360mm)
• r9 7900x $355
• psu nzxt 1200w 3.1 $200
• asrock x870 pro rs wifi $260
• adata legend 900 2 tb $115
• atx case $40
• kingbank 96gb 6400mhz cl32 $306
• adam audio t8v $460

Total $2249

[orchid iron]

98 gb of ram? are you sure it isn't 96gb?

Also that 240mm wasn't a bad choice, no need to refund it as long as it works properly

You could spend money for that 3060 and save up money until the 5060 is available (probably late 2025)