hardware

[violet spade]

I might actually get the 4080 if it goes down in price enough on black Friday or something

It’s not a 4090 but over my 2060 it’s still like 200%-300% improvement in most areas

[nova moss]

i was used 2060 super but previous CPU cannot with 5, might need the 4090

[devout pendant]

Might be worth waiting for jan
Rtx 50 series release

[naive cloak]

it will depend on China...

[nova moss]

rtx 50 will also expensive $$$

[devout pendant]

Yes but 4090 and 4080 prices should go down

[naive cloak]

no, 5000 price will probably go up instead

China is probably waiting to see who wins the elections in US (or maybe they already know) meanwhile their army doing "training exercises" around Taiwan, if they will decide to attack Taiwan during on of their "exercises" I am pretty sure chip shortages that happened during COVID will be a pleasant memory...

before the start of Russia-Ukraine war Russia also started doing "military training exercises" at the UA border, and then they attacked, probably use that term to reorganize the forces before the attack

[violet spade]

No, the opposite will happen

Because 50 series is so expensive and 40 series will be short on supply

[mighty cosmos]

Apparently from the latest information the 50 series prices should change very slightly

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-mr-burns-excellent-sly-gif-15090441131025470920

[frigid heath]

this did not work out great...

China would get completely fucked, russia could function on its own if they had too, but its completely broken now.

Israel would destroy the iran oil supply and china would wither and die.

[orchid iron]

Very slightly from a 40 series shortage because they stopped production or from their msrp xD

[orchid iron]

Nah, they were very open about their attack, and there was even the most 10/10 brilliant EU negotiator with giga big brain president of France who went to Russia before attack (look up Putin and Macron 10m table meeting to see how that went)
But from insider sources, China wants to win Taiwan from people votes / soft power, meaning they shouldn't do anything aggressive otherwise almost whole world would be against them

Tldr No Taiwan shortage for now or the next years it seems

[naive cloak]

I hope you are right

[violet spade]

insider sources == Lab is up high in the PRC

[obtuse rapids]

I thought occurred to me the other day I rarely really need a mobile solution but it could happen but internet has never been good enough any places I go that I can rely on it. But spending 5 grand on a laptop that won't even match my dev machine is problematic But I've heard nothing but good things about starlink. Couldn't I use that and remote in instead? Obviously I have to carry the dish with me but that's doable

[naive cloak]

afaik Starlink receiver should be installed outside so it has clear view of the skies, also you will have to power it somehow

if you have decent cellular network there you can use 5G modem instead, but it depends what cellular plans you have and how much mobile data they provide

or you can just set your phone into mobile hotspot and use it

[grave sundial]

Pshaw!
Blow a hole in the roof of your house. Easy.

[delicate crystal]

Nothing like installing tge latest nvidia drivers to make what was a stable pc start crashing like mad

[nova moss]

Is possible to reset driver if I remember 🤔

[naive cloak]

with DDU and safe mode 😰

[frigid heath]

you could get a pad and do pad things, like read on new tech or make pictures or silly drawings or layouts

[delicate crystal]

Anyone here working on windows 11? Looking at upgrading after dealing with drivers on a five year card, but im hearing a lot of unpleseant news about security and windows 11 and waiting for 12 sounds like a long wait

[mighty cosmos]

Been on Win11 for a while and absolutely no issues

[naive cloak]

☝️ was posted by Copilot probably 🤣

[ripe ravine]

What's the best CPU you can get in 2024 for UE5? I use my pc 90% for UE and the rest of the time for gaming

[median marsh]

depends™️

there's a pinned post which points out most things

how much more you want to invest in a CPU depends on your budget/workload

[ripe ravine]

I only upgrade rarely and budget is not really a big factor for me. My current cpu is an i9-10900K but my gpu is a 4090 FE.

I want a cpu which will last me 5+ years at least

[shrewd trail]

probably some threadripper

with as much ram as possible

should allow for fastest compile time on large projects

[delicate crystal]

nope just a windows 10 user that's finding my system's getting unstable

[delicate crystal]

fair enough. keep hearing some say it's decent, and others aying its really dumbed down and not great for power users

[violet spade]

Same

[orchid iron]

Windows was great for power users? Since when?

But for real, "windows instability" is probably caused by having it run for so long, doing a full clean install (different from reinstalling it) should make it feel better because it accumulates old data of all programs you've ever installed so if you ever reinstall them again, it'll have that data right there for those programs to come back to, how handy

You should try out all OS that work with UE to see how you like them and if they fit your needs as a game developer

(Quick VM use never hurt anyone)

[barren goblet]

Windows 11 added some neat stuff for power users especially in the realm of WSL

I wonder if most of the people saying that are on windows home cause I have been on pro and haven’t experienced any issues

love Linux but it’s for servers not users 🤷‍♂️

[median marsh]

apparently i'm a server

[barren goblet]

Just saying there a reason windows is more popular than Linux for consumers / end users not that there are no users on Linux

[violet spade]

Nah I’m on Windows home and it’s fine

[nova moss]

i'm on windows also

[mighty patrol]

Windows 11 pro myself and it's fine.

[devout pendant]

Linux would be great if you could get every game/software to work on it

Windows LTSC is the goat
You can use a lot of registry edits, PowerShell commands and third party scripts to customise it
And it will never update so no bs

[orchid iron]

Sounds awesome

Oh boy, it seems Intel wants to rival AMD at the worst D1 reviews, be ready for quite the heated disputes within the communities when arrow lake comes out

[naive cloak]

Linux is for people who cant afford mouse...

[grave sundial]

If you can't afford a mouse, just buy a cat. It'll catch many of them for you.

[mighty patrol]

or just leave a bunch of food laying around eventually they will come

[devout pendant]

Bro wtf I can't disable windows VBS

I did everything from windows settings to registry edits to disabling VM in windows features
But every time I restart my laptop fucking VBS is running

[devout pendant]

What the fuck
Holy shit
FUCK MICROSOFT

Fuck Samsung too
Wtf is this bios
There are NO OPTIONS

[orchid iron]

um idk what's wrong, that looks like the average custom vendor BIOS

looks like you'll enjoy making your own pc even more ^^

[devout pendant]

That's all of the settings available lol

No option to disable Hyper-V etc

[orchid iron]

||average custom vendor BIOS||

oh yeah, if you have a laptop or pc with custom bios and a 13th/14th gen intel cpu, you'd actually have to wait for that vendor to make a custom bios with the new intel microcode that supposedly fixes the issues...

Meanwhile my intel nuc with a 13th gen cpu inside:"You guys get updates to your bios? Oh...Okay... :( "

[devout pendant]

Everytime windows updates it reinstalls the Samsung bloatware
And the Samsung bloatware has a driver override and rollback to a 1 year old driver version
And I can't wipe and reinstall windows because I need the Samsung software to turn the laptop fans on automatically
And there's no bios override for this, and third party fan control apps don't work 💀

Lmaoo
It's so ass

Can't wait to built my PC and run windows LTSC

[nova moss]

wow, it do that all the time?

[naive cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-recreation-tv-show-ron-swanson-nick-offerman-throwing-away-computer-gif-17541708

[grave sundial]

It's because of the vendor's recovery partition.

At any point where the laptop is unable to boot/load an OS properly, it will run recovery/repair routines and the software is loaded from the recovery partition.

It's hidden and you can view it with a partition viewer.

You CAN delete the partition, BUT it will brick your laptop IF you do not have a replacement BIOS, drivers, OS, etc. to install and create a replacement recovery partition.

I'd just go for a custom PC or laptop workstation instead.

[devout pendant]

Yeah but I can't remove it because then my fans will never turn on 😂

[grave sundial]

There's a software that takes care of that, but you do risk bricking regardless.

[devout pendant]

Yeah building one soon
Waiting for 50 series drop

[grave sundial]

One second....

[devout pendant]

None of them work
Not one single software recognises the fans
Hwinfo, fancontrol, etc tried like 7-8 of them

[grave sundial]

no, there's one that might work.
It overrode the vendor controls on my Clevo.

[devout pendant]

Bet

[grave sundial]

🤔 Did that software get taken down?

👀

I think yes. 🤣

[devout pendant]

Rip

As I understand it the bios controls the fans
And if the bios doesn't let anything into it except their own proprietary software, then third party apps don't work
Because there's no OS level access

[grave sundial]

got it!

RLECViewer

https://github.com/zuyan9/RLECViewer

Set the exact number of fans and 100 speed. It should make the fans work.

🙏

[devout pendant]

Ah looks like that's specific for clevo laptops though

[grave sundial]

what'cha got to lose?

try it

[devout pendant]

Trying
Installed and restated but it does nothing when I open the executable

[grave sundial]

No gray pop-up?

[devout pendant]

Nope

[grave sundial]

le sigh
Time to steal a new PC.

[devout pendant]

Wait there's another exe called NTport library driver

Nah shit don't work

Yeah time to go do some more C++ fundamentals in vstudio and leave gamedev for later

[orchid iron]

@devout pendant btw how do you get windows LTSC?

[grave sundial]

You can buy a key.

[orchid iron]

how much is it?

[grave sundial]

You need a corporate license, officially and then upgrade that to LTSC. It's expensive.

[orchid iron]

F

[grave sundial]

We can't discuss the opposite of that here. 😛

Ah, Win 10 Enterprise LTSC is listed as $219 on CDW.

[orchid iron]

okay, that's slightly more acceptable

[grave sundial]

That's an upgrade license only.

[orchid iron]

oh ffs

[grave sundial]

You need the enterprise edition installed first.

[orchid iron]

official microsoft edition of windows with no bloat ware is so expensive

[devout pendant]

Download the iso from Microsoft website and use massgrave.dev activation scripts

[devout pendant]

It's technically not illegal

Massgrave activation scripts i mean

Microsoft officially supports it

But they won't publicly say 'use this instead of paying us'

Like Microsoft official support will sometimes direct you to use activation scripts if you have certain issues

[orchid iron]

lol

[devout pendant]

Also fun fact the only reason windows is THE os is because they let everyone pirate it decades ago and didn't give a fuck

Same with autocad and Photoshop

Freeware/Piracy boosts adoption, everyone knows and learns and uses the software

Then when a business needs to use it they get charged 183 million in license fees and they pay, because that's what everyone knows how to use

Same reason unreal engine and many other software are free for non-pro use

[orchid iron]

smart

what's max ram of this version?

[devout pendant]

It's probably the same as pro so like 2TB lol

[barren goblet]

Like 6tb

more than you will ever need unless your running servers 🤣🤣

[orchid iron]

noice!!!

[devout pendant]

More than we can afford too lol

[barren goblet]

depends where ya work haha

But I mean I’d just use pro and call it a day

[devout pendant]

You can basically run registry edits and PowerShell scripts and remove all the BS from pro/home too
But LTSC won't auto update and comes without any of that shit to begin with

[barren goblet]

I don’t really notice much BS on pro tbh

Not sure if it’s how I installed it or what

[devout pendant]

Doesn't pro still come with Cortana?
Edge?
OneDrive?
Candy crush?
Ads?

[barren goblet]

not for me no

I use one drive so that’s fine

Edge is just a thing unfortunately too lazy to uninstall it

[devout pendant]

Also things like calendar
Mail
Calculator
I ain't need any of that shit
But yeah pro is good atleast you can do policy edits

[barren goblet]

yeah but that stuff isn’t taking a bunch of resources so who cares

and I’ll use a calculator cause math is hard 🤣🤣🤣

[devout pendant]

OCD thing ig lol I don't like having apps I don't use

Yeah but the built in calculator app is shit
I just use google as a calculator

[orchid iron]

as a Linux user I approve of this opinion

[devout pendant]

The only reason I haven't fully switched to a bare ones custom Linux OS is because of game/software compatibility

I'm been following ReactOS for years but it's just copium thinking we can actually replace windows

[orchid iron]

I got good news, since now windows realised putting too much garbage in the OS kernel can create a croudstrike moment, they are splitting app kernel drivers and OS kernel drivers, so potentially even kernel invasive apps may be able to be used on linux

[barren goblet]

I’m a Linux user too but I still have windows until they switch over which won’t happen

[devout pendant]

They just need to solve the anti cheat bs and I'll switch fully

[orchid iron]

yup, that's what I'm talking about ^^

[devout pendant]

Does that mean directx support and shit or I'm trippin

Autocad/Solidworks & games
Once I get that on Linux I'm switching

[barren goblet]

might be waiting a while haha

[devout pendant]

LTSC is acceptable in the meantime
Not as lightweight but atleast it doesn't trigger my OCD 😂

[orchid iron]

directx is a microsoft thing, so I'll doubt they'll let linux user have that, but wine/mesa things can be created to make equivalent function calls thus allowing for a "close enough" moment

Funny enough with the 9000 amd cpu series, level 1 tech even found moments when linux out performed windows on windows native games because of some questionable direct x stuff

also, steam deck 2 is coming, so steam is very dedicated to steam os

[devout pendant]

Hmm maybe I go Ryzen for this build

[devout pendant]

Steam is good everything they do gets Linux support
But a lot of major games dont

Like fortnite, destiny 2, cods and battlefields

[barren goblet]

Well yeah why target that small of a user base

[devout pendant]

Because fuck Microsoft

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-microsoft-fuck-microsoft-john-malkovich-malkovich-gif-24980256

[violet spade]

Linux fanboys lol

[nova moss]

it's debateable, we still need operating system

[orchid iron]

Yeah, I would still be using Windows as a main operating system if Microsoft actually stayed on 10 forever like they said they would
Although windows 7 was 100% top tier OS for its time

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/what-kenan-thompson-saturday-night-live-snl-surprised-gif-16605149

[mighty patrol]

But they gave you free upgrade?

[nova moss]

if it's purchased yes, free upgrade

[naive cloak]

ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX™ 4090 OG OC was ~2000$ now its 2500$ 🤣 😢

[grave sundial]

Nice.

Reverse discount.

[naive cloak]

upcount

[grave sundial]

steepcount

[devout pendant]

Ready for black friday sales

$300 off only $2200

[short bramble]

Hi all

Anyone has experiences with curved monitor ?

For programming, level design, modeling etc..

[plush turret]

used on for gaming, and it really only works of flight and driving sims, otherwise it causes some eye strain

[orchid iron]

The consequences of nvidia stopping production are already showing, if they actually release the 5090 as same price as 4090 today, that would be so annoying

[short bramble]

Ok thank you very much !

[violet spade]

Well it was rumoured to be releasing at $2500 so yeah, probably

[median marsh]

why would they stop production?

they apparently still sell enough to make cash from them, otherwise they would reduce prices

[violet spade]

Shrink supply, price goes up, profit

[median marsh]

they already do that since the launch

[violet spade]

And you don’t have to worry about people buying last year’s product cause they can’t

So they have to buy your $2500 card

[median marsh]

they have no interest in people buying 50 series cards if they can still sell them 40 series cards

[violet spade]

Apple’s done it in the past

[median marsh]

there's NO competition for 4080 Super +

[violet spade]

I don’t think that’s true

[median marsh]

they could delay the 50 launch as long as they want, or as long as AMD doesn't catch up

[violet spade]

If you buy a 40 series when 50s launches, it means you def won’t buy a 50 series for while

[violet spade]

Well, now that AMD pulled out sure

[median marsh]

yes, but why would NVidia give a fuck if they make the same margin on both cards?

they might aswell sell you a 40 series now

[violet spade]

There’s a super plus now?

[median marsh]

no, that meant 4080S + 4090

[violet spade]

Yeah I want to get a 4080S if it’s low enough on Black Friday or something. Probably won’t be but eh

[violet spade]

Well, imo problem with public companies is you need to show your latest product is selling, what you did last year is irrelevant. So if 50 series numbers are disappointing because people bought 40 series, your stock will drop

And that’s Jensen’s only worry now

[median marsh]

i think jensen's own worry is that the AI bubble bursts 😄

because that's where they make big cash now

[violet spade]

I think he’s worried he won’t have anything he can spend all our hard earned money on anymore. Unless his third yacht needs a yacht. Yeah, that works, let’s do another 5% hike on 5090s guys

[median marsh]

would be interesting to know the cost of their die's

from older and newer generations

[nova moss]

that what most topic is now
even my linkedin have too much of that topic

[devout pendant]

I want a 90 but I don't wanna pay double of a 4080 super for a 4090 lol
If I spend that much I'd rather drop it on a 5090

[violet spade]

$5

But yeah, I can see the trying to cover their NASA level R&D costs with their pricings

Jensen always love to say how many billions they spent developing something

[median marsh]

you made that number up, right? 😄

well, i think it's certainly more

[devout pendant]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-ultra-9-285k/18.html

Man the 7800x3d is top fragging every chart wtf
Even better than 7950x3d/9950x/14900k

I was excited for ultra 285k because of native 6400mt/s ram support
9950x and 14900k cap out at 5600

[frank glade]

Wrong page https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-ultra-9-285k/11.html

😆

[devout pendant]

Still don't understand why 7950x>9950x

Spoke too soon

Going through all the pages
I don't understand those benchmarks at all lmao

Ultra 9 top on some
9950x top on some
7950x/x3d top on some
???

I'm so confused

Wtf is this
The charts are opposite

I'm seriously doubting their test methodology
Are they keeping the igpu enabled ?? Then certain programs will use the igpu + egpu and amd will rank higher ofc???

[frank glade]

I would wait for the puget reviews, more relevant to devs

[devout pendant]

I think I'll go with the 9950x
It's consistently towards the top and only really beaten by 7950x/3d so I'm going to assume it's just user error and poor settings/optimisation

[devout pendant]

Puget are goated
But why is 7950 on top I don't get it
going mad

And then this?????

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cry-crying-face-gif-3493741021872033373

Jesus Christ

https://tenor.com/view/my-brain-hurts-mindblowing-so-dumb-cant-think-shocked-gif-23941809

[frank glade]

Well they do say some benchmarks are hard to draw conclusions from

Im only looking for single thread performance since that was Maya or 3ds use the most

[devout pendant]

The problem is I will be using all of them 😂

I care about gaming performance
But also use; unreal engine, blender, Solidworks, fusion360, visual studio, VMs

Trying to find a balance

It was hard enough between 14900/ultra 285k/9950x
But now I have to consider the 7950x too

[grave sundial]

There's also the question of which processor has the better drivers and supporting software.

The latest CPUs are receiving patches.

AMD released a BIOS update only - yesterday?

[orchid iron]

Jenson is fully aware this is an AI bubble that will burst, just like crypto, but once it does pop, he'll have enough money to create a new one

[grave sundial]

So, eventually, the 999999999 whatever will be better than the 7933-call-this-number processor.

But right now, the predecessor probably has better compatibility, efficient drivers, etc. etc.

So it does get in a few punches of its own, in some areas.

---

Hyper, do you actually finish projects?

[devout pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yes-what-huh-confused-kid-gif-16656052

[orchid iron]

7950x has more optimisations due to older drivers, but remember that the 7950x and 9950x are different architectures, so they are made with different goals in mind, and the 9000 series is mostly done as an "AI CPU" so it has really good avx 512 stuff, plus enhanced 3D v-chache, especially for the dual die CPUs like 9950x3D and 9900x3D, OC support for all of them aswell including the 9800x3D garantees it is the best for gaming period, even Intel leaks shows they know

[grave sundial]

If not, settling for the 7800x3D might be a better option.

[orchid iron]

however the 9000 series will likely age better than the 7000 series

[grave sundial]

It's great for gaming and I run Unreal on it too.

Plus, it's got value for money. At least for now.

9x3D would be better, IF you are willing to put up with the patches and updates, which it will of course receive frequently in the early stages.

[orchid iron]

they stopped making 7000 series, that's why 7800x3D prices kept rising

[devout pendant]

Gaming perf is not my top priority and the 7800x3d is very similarly priced to a 14900k so doesn't make sense

[orchid iron]

fun fact, making the 9000 series is actually cheaper to make than the 7000 series, so they can drop prices later on and still get fat margins

[devout pendant]

The 7950x, 7950x3d is actually very similar in price to the 9950x

So my candidates are still 9950x/14900k/ultra 285k
Perhaps 9950x3d if they drop that

[orchid iron]

in local prices, there is a 100€ difference between 9950x and 7950x/7950x3D

[devout pendant]

Yeah same here equivalent to about 150 euro

[orchid iron]

9950x3D gonna be lit, but they plan to release it probs around christmas or after new years at latest I think

[devout pendant]

Is it confirmed?

I thought they said no 3d

[orchid iron]

Q4 2024 or Q1 2025, but that Q1 2025 may be misinformation by amd to screw intel over

[grave sundial]

$20 difference between 7800x3D and 14900k here, at the moment.

[devout pendant]

Yeah
14900k is the easy choice unless you're just gaming

[grave sundial]

Don't you want to save that $20, so you can invest it? 😛

[orchid iron]

although slides confirmed the 9800x3D will be sold soon with the 7900xtx and 7900xt with some juicy deals

[grave sundial]

Is that soon, or soon ™️ ?

[orchid iron]

something about best gaming cpu with best gaming GPUs

black friday

they really want that 7900xt and 7900xtx inventory out as quickly as possible

they sold so badly

[grave sundial]

Oh, they cut the 14900k's price because of the Ultra 9 285's launch.

Interesting.

lower TDP. 🤔 Noice.

[orchid iron]

that's odd considering they are struggling with warranty claims

[grave sundial]

and it doesn't have hyperthreading, but still does pretty well. Outperformed the 14900k according geekbench.

So, Intel did make good on that comment about doing away with hyperthreading.

Nice that they succeeded.

[delicate crystal]

Damn guess i should have got tye 7 series x3d when it was on sale

[grave sundial]

I think I did. 😄

It was cheaper when I bought it a couple of months ago.

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[grave sundial]

Ah, the base clock speed is higher, but the 14900k has the higher max clock speed (boosted).

Intewesting 🤔

[orchid iron]

higher max clocks, but at what cost

powar goes brrrrr

[grave sundial]

Well, one site said the ultra 285 is 65W TDP, but the geekbench has a table which says it is the same TDP as 14900k.

So, I am not sure on that point.

But, it is supposed to be power efficient.

[orchid iron]

one of the main things that make me like amd cpus over intel cpus, is that amd doesn't have the money for multiple custom cpu architectures, so the zen cores from their servers, threadrippers, desktop and mobile are basically same

Which is kinda cool thinking about having server/threadripper cores in your rig

Meanwhile intel has the money for more optimised cpu design for each occasions

[grave sundial]

Btw, Intel's latest iGPU is apparently 60% better than their previous iGPU.

It provided 60 FPS at 1080p in Cyberpunk (low-med settings, I think).

I will adore the day we can disregard a dedicated GPU for gamers, at least.

I hope AMD succeeds in making an even better CPU-GPU sandwich.

🙏

[orchid iron]

isn't the zen5 apu pretty dang good?

[grave sundial]

For 1080p, low-med, yes.

[devout pendant]

Here are the options as of now, prices in AUD and excluding GPU since I'll probably wait for rtx 50.

$2800: 14900k, 96gb ddr5
$4000: 9950x, 192gb ddr5
$4000: ultra 285k, 192gb ddr5

Current GPU prices are:
$1700: 4080 super
$3400: 4090

Even if I equalise the ram, there's a $600 price difference between (14900k) and (9950/285k)

[grave sundial]

I believe I have that in my 7800x3D.

Spend $10,000.

Be the next Elon.

Helon!!!!

[orchid iron]

keep in mind, you should probs disable the intel boosts until reviewers confirmed there is no longer any signes of degradation from micro codes updates

[devout pendant]

Honestly I'd prefer if they just shop a basic igpu for high end desktop CPUs and focus all the attention and power to CPU performance

Who's building a top end desktop rig without a dgpu anyway

[orchid iron]

because that happens from high voltages in single core workloads

from boost algorithm

[grave sundial]

Actually, with the x3D AMDs, that's become a viable option when you don't have lots of cash and just want a nice gaming setup.

[orchid iron]

"Who's building a top end desktop rig without a dgpu anyway"

Facts

[grave sundial]

It saves you a LOT of money when you are not using the computer professionally, for CG.

If those iGPUs get even better, heck, you could do low end dev work on it, too.

🤔 Actually, considering the current iGPU is better than my old GTX 970M, you could safely do A LOT of 2D work on it.

[devout pendant]

I'm pretty sure a 1050ti will outperform an x3d igpu

[grave sundial]

Yeah, but if I don't have to spend $100 for it, that'd be dandy. (Its about $100 plus taxes here, right now).

[devout pendant]

And if you're just gaming you can go buy an i5 or Pentium for half the price of a 7800x3d
And spend the other half on a proper GPU

Surely that's better than a 7800x3d igpu for gaming

Idk I'm just assuming

[orchid iron]

no? the current x3D igpu is from the 6000 radeon series

there are videos talking about how shit it is for gaming

[grave sundial]

I am happy Intel made a 60% improvement. 😄

I hope they keep going. If we don't have to spend $300 on dGPUs, that'd be awesome. 🙂

[orchid iron]

like hardware unboxed did a review about how the 8700g (zen4 with bigger rdna 2 tiles) is worse than an intel i3 with low end amd gpu

[grave sundial]

🤔 I wonder if someone will try the other way round - GPU-CPU sandwich.

The possibilities. 👀

[orchid iron]

there was a nvidia intel gpu combo really way back

if you are wondering why it isn't talked about is because it was that bad

[grave sundial]

😄

They should keep going.
Fail a 1000 times and finally come up with an awesome breakthrough.

[devout pendant]

But I'm saying $300 GPU + $250 CPU is better than $550 CPU with igpu

[orchid iron]

agreed

[grave sundial]

I know what you're saying.
I am hoping they keep getting better.

[orchid iron]

just look at the gpu die size in both of them, you can't compare them

[grave sundial]

That same $550 CPU with Intel's new iGPU would be way better than the dGPU.

Of course, it'd cost more initially.

[orchid iron]

plus ram speeds on GPUs are way faster from sodered ram than ddr5

[devout pendant]

In local prices a 7800x3d is $700

5700x is $240
Rtx 3060 is $400

[grave sundial]

yeah, that's now.

but, the x3D used to be cheaper.

[orchid iron]

700$ is not worth the 7800x3D

[devout pendant]

It's AUD pricing
Forget the $ value the point is the price comparison

[orchid iron]

other way around

[devout pendant]

5700x + 3060 cheaper than 7800x3d

And 5700x single thread perf is only 10% behind 7800x3d

[grave sundial]

w00t? I just checked Amazon US. 7800x3D is available for $470.

It's cheaper than in India by a $100. 😦

[devout pendant]

A 4090 here in Aus costs 2500 USD 😂

And that's the cheap ones

[grave sundial]

$2800 here, plus taxes. 😄
For the 24GB one.

[devout pendant]

I already did the math
It's cheaper for me to fly to California, buy PC parts, and fly back to Australia

[grave sundial]

That seems to be case for good computers, these days.

I'd rather steal it from an old neighbour I can konk on the head and....... censored

[devout pendant]

I actually didn't realise how cheap the lower end parts still are tbh
$150 USD for a 5700x
$380 USD for a 4060ti
$120 motherboard
$100 ram
$100 ssd

You can actually build a decent gaming PC for the price of a console

[grave sundial]

$523 for the 4060ti 16GB Ventus OC, here.

I think I was fortunate to have purchased it slightly cheaper.

[orchid iron]

noice, what about the 7600xt?

[grave sundial]

$404 plus taxes.

16GB

8GB is even cheaper.

[orchid iron]

100$ difference for almost same perf but worse ray tracing /ai bs

[grave sundial]

7700XT 12GB OC is about the same price.

[orchid iron]

we don't talk about the 7700xt

only card above entry level to not have 16 gb of ram

disgrace

[grave sundial]

7800xt 16GB is $100 more.

All these GPUs being sold here, in India seem to be factory OCed.

That's nice. 🙂

[orchid iron]

yeah, gotta do extra steps to under clock them

[grave sundial]

Why? If you have a good cooling setup, it's fine.

I haven't touched my Ventus's OC.

[devout pendant]

Why do I have a sudden urge to build a budget gaming PC

Praying a homie hits me up for a build now 😂

[orchid iron]

no? They break faster if not undervolted, well not intel 13th14th gen fast, but still, I wouldn't run them on OC

[grave sundial]

Factory OC is perfectly safe.

[orchid iron]

said intel

cough cough

[grave sundial]

Yeah, but this was done by better engineers. 😄

No, it's safe.

It's been going on for awhile and we haven't heard of konking GPUs that weren't touched by users themselves.

[orchid iron]

amd has better engineers than intel? wtf u smoking?

[grave sundial]

amd? no. Nvidia.

[orchid iron]

yeah

fair

[grave sundial]

But, I think the xt OCs are fine, too.

All the research I did before buying my new rig showed nothing about the OCed cards burning up.

Unless the user touched it himself, like messing with the voltages.

or bad air flow, or not cleaning the PC.

this is..........

undesirable.

[orchid iron]

an independent gpu repair professional complained about how the radeon 6000 series broke so much compared to other gpu series

[grave sundial]

I blame the users.

They probably messed with the OC software without knowing what they were doing.

[orchid iron]

tbf yeah, that's an unknown element

[grave sundial]

or they had uncleaned PCs. That'll do the components in.

[orchid iron]

GPUs he fixed didn't seem that dirty

[grave sundial]

HOW? DOES? this? HAPPEN?

[orchid iron]

you grab a bucket of dust, and throw it in your pc

[grave sundial]

Even the slightest speck of dust is heresy.

They should be blown away with conviction and devotion!

Praise be the Omnissiah! 🙏

This is fine.

🔥

🐀

The real problem here is that the user should remember to use his mouse outside the case.

[orchid iron]

https://879a0cd993b93bf42216-fac92dd43971ff47cecfeefad717658e.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/b1db43df-001e-466b-bb2d-e8fdfd73da56.jpg

[grave sundial]

I like those fans.

The colours are nice! 🙂

[orchid iron]

same

[devout pendant]

made this now for fun lol
1k aud
660 usd, you can probably get these parts + case and psu for sub 700 if you go by US pricing

[orchid iron]

I like how an overpriced shitty gpu is almost half the price of the build

wait, you forgot one of the most important part of a computer...The case

Edit: I can read I swear

[devout pendant]

overpriced and shitty?
bruh
what else can you get for that price that performs better

[orchid iron]

6800 xt

well might be hard to find, but it can go pretty low

[devout pendant]

good luck finding one new for under $320 usd

[orchid iron]

here it is around 400€ but rare

[devout pendant]

those cost more than a 4070 here

[devout pendant]

lmao thats 45% more expensive than the 4060

[orchid iron]

tax included

[devout pendant]

469 usd is 287 euro incl tax

[orchid iron]

bruh wtf, why is it so cheap over there xD

[devout pendant]

you know the 8gb 4060 outperforms the 12gb titan xp

and the gtx 1080 8gb by like 20%

[orchid iron]

chad card

[devout pendant]

the 1080 on release was 999 aud, 4060 is 469
and thats not accounting for 8 years of covid inflation

[orchid iron]

chads are expensive xD

[devout pendant]

but the 4060 is beter lol

1/3rd the price once you adjust for inflation

[orchid iron]

somehow pricing complicates so much

[devout pendant]

on par with the titan xp which was 4x more than the 4060 adjusted for inflation

tldr 4060 is very well priced

[orchid iron]

here all the nvidia stuff is overpriced

330€ for 4060 which is close to the 350€ from the 7600 xt

[devout pendant]

yeah
tbh pricing is weird everywhere outside of US

[devout pendant]

the titan xp at launch was 1300 euro
adjusted for inflation thats like 1500 euros
and you can get the 4060, same performance for 330 euro now lol

[orchid iron]

nvidia 4070 super is 700 € same with 7900 xt

[devout pendant]

so the 4060 is half
bruh
see its such a good deal

damn
im gonna shill the fuck out of 4060 and 5700x now lmao

also 32gb ddr4 is only $50 lmao

when i built my pc i paid $150 for 16gb ddr3

[orchid iron]

oof

[orchid iron]

yeah, I wasn't aware of odd local prices

[delicate crystal]

Was dping a buold where if i stayed with ddr4 id save roughly 500 bucks or so (alreasy jave 128gb of ddr4)

[barren goblet]

DDR5 so nice though. Wanna upgrade to 128 soonish hahaha

[orchid iron]

ddr5 new and expensive, but when the 64gb modules will be available for consumers, 256gb builds will be so nice

[barren goblet]

Get what ya pay for as the saying goes

Yeah I Don’t Know about 256 might be nice for what I do

128 will help with testing servers when I get around to it lol

Decided on my build i didn’t feel like hearing the word bottle neck 🤣🤣🤣

[orchid iron]

bottle neck happens depending on whatever task you are doing, as the saying goes, a chain is as strong as the weakest link

[barren goblet]

Yeah it for sure does but that’s my point

I didn’t want something holding something else back

mostly cause I knew what card I wanted to go with

So the rest of the system got beefed way up so nothing was holding anything back

[orchid iron]

noice

[grave sundial]

So, you finally got a black card, huh? 😛

[orchid iron]

maybe a white check

[delicate crystal]

Thry would but have yet to see boarss that handle it. At least when i last looked

[orchid iron]

soonTM

wait, no most high end boards support 256gb, it is just the cpus who don't have a memory controller beafy enough

maybe zen6 or 16000 will have some good imc

[devout pendant]

Also you can't really get 256gb
No one sells a 4 X 64 kit afaik

[orchid iron]

I know...Consumer grade anyways

[devout pendant]

It's not expensive lmao it's so cheap
64gb for 150 USD is crazy

Ddr4 is not much cheaper tbh

[orchid iron]

yeah, but they could be cheaper maybe

[devout pendant]

Yeah

Isn't ddr6 coming soon anyway

[orchid iron]

256 gb of ram would cost around 500-550 $ when it comes out

[devout pendant]

Sounds about right

[violet spade]

GDDR6 is already here so prly very soon

[devout pendant]

It's $650 now for 192gb

[devout pendant]

Gddr7 coming in January too

50 series

[orchid iron]

gddr7 has some very nice bandwidth....Abd it will only be used in nvidia gpus, amd and intel are both using gddr6 still

[devout pendant]

Only the top tier cards are getting the bandwidth boost afaik

But I'm salivating over 32gb gddr7 512bit 5090

[barren goblet]

Hahah nah paid in cash

[violet spade]

There’s gotta be diminishing returns at this point tho tbh

[devout pendant]

You know what's expensive as fuck these days

Power supplies

Especially with Intel and NVIDIA wattages lol

[barren goblet]

Are they?

I guess I never noticed cause it’s a relative thing

[barren goblet]

You technically can get there but it’s not all in one box

[devout pendant]

5090 is 600w
14900k is 253w

[barren goblet]

4090 is also 600 haha

It’s insane LOL

[orchid iron]

if you undervolt both, they won't need as much wattage

[devout pendant]

For a $6000 PC build, $600 is the power supply lol
For $3800 build it's $400
Nearly 10%

[devout pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[barren goblet]

Where are you seeing that mine was not 600

[devout pendant]

Aussie pricing
Like 400 usd

For a 4k USD pc

[barren goblet]

Ouch yeah mine was half that

330~

[devout pendant]

USD?

[barren goblet]

Mhm

[devout pendant]

Yeah checks out

[barren goblet]

1000w platinum and a screen cause I’m extra lol

[devout pendant]

I think estimated wattage on pcpartpicker for a 14900/4090/192gb ram build was like 1200w lol
So I priced in a Corsair hx1600i

[barren goblet]

1000w is fine

1200 gives you more head room for sure

if you have / want extras

so far though 1000 has been fine maybe I’ll go higher if I decided I want more drives

[devout pendant]

You only need more if you go 14900 + 4090 ig

1200 is as high as you'd need but it could cut a bit close and Corsair jumps from 1200 to 1600, no inbetween

[delicate crystal]

True. My server has 512gb but thats a bit mich to run unreal on

Eapecially as it wont suppory a good gpu i dont think

[barren goblet]

I’m running a 13900 and a 4090

from what I’ve seen the 14900 isn’t demanding that much more power

I mean they are basically the same CPU LOL

I have run it under max load as well and it gets close to its 1000w limit but not quite over it

[plush turret]

i really want to get a smart ring, cause they seem like a cool little gadgets, but they either ONLY do medical, or they dont fit my gigantic fingers

I wear a US size 15

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XXLY8kEdR1c#

Oh that's really unfortunate, but it's hilarious that both AMD and Intel's latest gens get beaten heavily by older amd/intel gens (depending on the workload), new doesn't always mean better xD

[orchid iron]

"Zen5%" or "arrow in the knee lake", which will be the most disappointing launches of 2024

[naive cloak]

I can think of 2 options:

• they hit the limit and cant go beyond it so they go back so later they can get to the same level and hope we will not notice it, but they must release new CPU so they do it
• they dont want us to have next level CPU because it will create security risks

[orchid iron]

3rd option, had 13th and 14th gen never been released, (which are basically 12th gen with safety off) this new arrow lake generation would of been one of the greatest generations Intel would of made

[naive cloak]

what is great about it?

[orchid iron]

Compared to 12th gen, it is actually quite good

[naive cloak]

they even removed hyper threading to add it later to 395K

[orchid iron]

Oddly enough, performance loss isn't as big as expected from turning hyper threading off, I think most people would skip this gen and buy the next one

[naive cloak]

people should buy 12th

[orchid iron]

Yeah, basically

Still Chad years later

Oh that's rough, from a comment:"from 10nm to 3nm, -5%"

[naive cloak]

if leaks are correct, Nova Lake should be good CPU (kind of)

[orchid iron]

Yeah, both zen6 and next Intel gen are leaked to be non-disappointing

https://youtube.com/shorts/qvOWy7hnIcY?si=jtaE_yk_mjm4Y6UI

He does have a good point, may as well use expensive paint for what he wants

[devout pendant]

14th is cheap and thrashes the 12th

13th is valid but it costs the same anyway

Ultra 9 is still the goat for single thread performance
It's the only processor above 5000

And the 9950x is also over 10% better than 7950x for single thread score

Ig that gamers nexus vid sums it up
Arrow lake is in beta

[violet spade]

Level 1 tech guy said despite all that Ultra is not gonna be great for gaming unless Intel does some major overhauling through software

[devout pendant]

just watched gamers nexus review

LMAO

im going 14900k unless the 9800x3d/9950x3d pulls some crazy shit

[orchid iron]

Arrow in the knee lake

[orchid iron]

Keep in mind, you'll probably want to tweak some settings to tone down the voltages since we still aren't sure if increased degradation is still happening

[devout pendant]

Intel Cope Ultra -28.5%

[orchid iron]

Maybe not -28.5% but at least -2.85%

[devout pendant]

lol for gaming the 285k is getting matched by the 5700x 😂

depends on the game ofc

[orchid iron]

Ikr

Any cpu performance depends on the workload, that's why online benchmarks may not reflect real world

Most servers buy everything mobo, ram, coolers etc, and then benchmark various CPUs to see which one is best for their specific use cases

[devout pendant]

thats the dream
but i am shackled by poverty

[orchid iron]

Then maybe don't pick the CPUs that are known for burning themselfs and go for a 5950x xD

[devout pendant]

nah you can just return and swap if you get a bad chip
failure rate is like 10%

5950x is so far behind

[orchid iron]

Any news if warranty claims work on 13th and 14th gen?

[devout pendant]

idk about 13th but 14th is what ive heard of
just buy from a physical store so you can go in and get a refund/replacement easier

[orchid iron]

Gotcha

[devout pendant]

although there is this post

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/1f86w3n/intel_currently_out_of_replacements_for_defective/

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/1codhv5/i914900k_and_my_intel_rma_experience/
experience seems to vary though, lot of contrast between these posts and the comments

[orchid iron]

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/14900k-tuned-for-efficiency-gaming-power-draw.315783/

I see why hyper threading was turned off now

[devout pendant]

15% better perf with 5.5ghz lock and HT off??

[orchid iron]

That's so odd

[devout pendant]

i honestly dont really understand these new gen chips
it feels like theres some mythical non-tangible element here lmao

[orchid iron]

New gen chips are designed to be bases for future ones, so of course they make no damn sense

[devout pendant]

it feels like weve only been using 1 cpu and slowly overclocking
and now we are at the ceiling

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k-raptor-lake-tested-at-power-limits-down-to-35-w/

[orchid iron]

Noice

[devout pendant]

tbh i dont really want to cap my clock and power
would rather just buy a 14700k

i lowkey want to OC 😂

[orchid iron]

New OC is UC

The companies already push OC to Max, there is so little benefits

[devout pendant]

man i was running my 4790k at 5ghz with a basic hyper 212 air cooler
8 years ago

[agile lodge]

the new design to make cpus intel itself didnt expect to have much of performance gains over raptor lake

for first gen of new architecture on desktop cpu

[devout pendant]

yeah it really is a beta test

[orchid iron]

8 years ago OC was cool

[devout pendant]

OC is still cool 😠

[agile lodge]

mobile CPUs there have being 2 lakes meteor and then lunar lake

[orchid iron]

Pressing one button is cool yes

[devout pendant]

no moving some sliders and getting bigger number is cool

[orchid iron]

Ah yes, and then getting a bunch of blue screens of death and potentially faster degradation

[devout pendant]

yes but ur cool cause u have higher number

worf it

[orchid iron]

I've only ever UC and UV, I thought over clocking was for rich people who don't mind swapping hardware if something goes wrong

[devout pendant]

https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/hardware-and-software-specifications-for-unreal-engine

nvm im going amd
epic themselves use amd

[orchid iron]

After Intel failures with UE, I don't think they'd put anything Intel here

Also, I thought you had a low budget, threadrippers are crazy expensive, both CPU and mobo

[devout pendant]

yeah im not going threadripper lol
9950x

i would literally take a personal loan out for 40k and build a threadripper pc now if i could 😂

[orchid iron]

Question is...will you go Linux? Because it has pretty significant perf gains over on Linux

Look up "level 1 Linux 9950x"

[devout pendant]

i will probably dual boot and run whatever can be optimised properly with linux on linux
i cant fully switch since a lot of games and software need windows/directX

[orchid iron]

Noice, soonTM

Keep the box and everything the 9950x has, because you'll likely want to upgrade from that in the future though

[devout pendant]

that reminds me
maybe i can finally run star citizen on this new build lol

[orchid iron]

Also, one sec, I gotta show you something that changes life for cheap if you go amd

[devout pendant]

this build is gonna be it for a while
next upgrade will go all out, probably rtx 70 series and threadripper of that gen

[orchid iron]

https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/contact-sealing-frame/s-tg-csf-am5

This is 🔥

[devout pendant]

bet

[orchid iron]

Makes sure CPU bending is non existent (was already quite low on am5) and make it so easy to apply and remove paste compared to the nightmare it is without it

[devout pendant]

do you use ue5 on linux?

[orchid iron]

Yeah

[devout pendant]

ubuntu?

or custom

[orchid iron]

Nah, Nobara, it is fedora based

[devout pendant]

hows the performance
better than windows? on par? slightly worse?

[orchid iron]

My laptop is almost 10 year old, so I have no clue

[grave sundial]

Why is there no Penance OS?

[orchid iron]

What is that?

[grave sundial]

Where ever task and application requires continuous prayer.

Penitence and devotion are mandatory to use it.

[orchid iron]

Bruh, go for temple os instead

At least then you'd learn Holy C

[devout pendant]

id prefer degenOS

then i could actually use it

[grave sundial]

Abaddon OS then.

Dedicated to Chaos.

[orchid iron]

Anyone seen a review of AmongOS

[devout pendant]

the worse your sleep schedule, the better the OS optimises itself

[orchid iron]

I wonder how battle mage will be

[devout pendant]

dang
9950x + OC sounds like fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYWtP4tZe30&t=1s

[orchid iron]

Notice how they undervolt to go higher?

[devout pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-wojak-disboard-gif-25867562

[orchid iron]

I'm telling you, undervolting is the new thing amongst the younglings nowadays

[devout pendant]

i got no beef with undervolting
i just dont want to underclock 😂

UV + OC fine by me

someone pumped a threadripper 7995wx to 6.25ghz ALL CORES
96 core.....

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/94554/safedisk-overclocks-96-core-192-thread-amd-7995wx-cpu-smashes-210k-cinebench-r23-record/index.html

[orchid iron]

Ain't got nothing on the 9995wx

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WxXZlONu4Ig

[devout pendant]

hopefully im rich when the 12995wx3d pro and rtx 8090ti super titan X come out

[orchid iron]

Oh November 7th is when the 9800x3d is out, I missed that

[orchid iron]

The future 3d V cache variants of threadrippers and server CPUs will be using the GB unit instead of mb

[devout pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-omg-so-hot-gif-19803505

[orchid iron]

You could theocratically find the best cores that boost to 6 GHz in that thing, and disable all other cores to make sure they have an overkill amount of cache

You could run a whole operating system without ram with that cache xD

[devout pendant]

id like to run the entire UE5 api in my ram

[grave sundial]

If you go by the comments section of many undervolting videos, you'll see people complaining about how their system crashed, or their hardware konked off.

People need to research shit in detail before doing something.

Or at least use grandma's credit card and hire experts.

[orchid iron]

Yup, those who know their stuff have a selection of tests to see if their undervolt is stable or not

[short bramble]

Hi all

Someone can recommend me please a good keyboard for coding / modeling etc.. ?

I tried a mechanical keyboard but it does not feel good

I may also need a keyboard when I I rest my fingers on the inputs it does not press

I don't know what is the name for that

[devout pendant]

If it's your first time using mechanical it will take time to get used to
I do everything on a mechanical keyboard with no issues, unreal engine, vs code, blender/Autodesk etc

If you want more force needed to activate a key you need to increase actuation force
You can swap springs or find one with cherry MX greys
if you're trying to find a keyboard that's heavy from OEM it will prolly be expensive

But heavier keys will make it harder to type
Tbh

https://www.logitechg.com/en-au/innovation/mechanical-switches.html
Read this

[short bramble]

Thank you very much !

[short bramble]

Do you recommend me for external hard drive to save backups : Seagate / Corsair / or Samsung ?

I need something solid

[orchid iron]

I like membrane keyboard, they remind me of laptop keyboards which I'm still currently using xD

[orchid iron]

look up in the specs of the drive you are buying and look for the TBW, this is a spec that says how many terabytes of info you can write to it before the manufacturer recommends you change it, it is pretty good indication of how long the drive can last

For example one of the best nvme ssds on the consumer market the Samsung 990 pro 4T has 1200 TBW

and one of the most budget ssds on the market the Crucial BX500 1 TB has about 360 TBW (multiple version of the hardware, so this spec may vary)

[short bramble]

Ok thank you ! So 360 TBW means that after writing 360 TB I should change it, right ?

[orchid iron]

that's more of a "manufacturer claim" so past that window you should just check the drive health more often, but it doesn't mean it is automatic break

(unless planned obsolescence)

[short bramble]

Ok I understand

Any brand to recommend ? Or it does not matter ?

[orchid iron]

to each its own, but do note that brands which have their own fabs generally tend to have slightly better price to performance since there is one less intermediate person trying to make a profit between you and that drive

Micron (crucial), samsung, intel, tsmc (idk if they have a daughter company selling ssds) all have ssd fabs

I think Western digital and toshiba have hhd fabs but I never checked

nvm, toschiba doesn't, but seagate does

[short bramble]

Ok and it's the same for HDD ? I mean do I need SSD for saving backups ?

[orchid iron]

Hitachi has fabs aswell

if you are using back ups speed doesn't matter that much, and if you use local git repo to back your stuff, you'll need to overwrite data even less, saving you even more money per T you purchase

[orchid iron]

one note about external storage though, since they don't receive constant power, overtime type the data they store will degrate overtime and become less readable, thus corrupted, and you can bypass that by either putting it your computer (ssd or hdd) and making sure it always gets power from your psu since the firmware always checks for any "weak signal" data that may get corrupted and rewrites it to avoid any data loss

Or just plug in your external stuff and mount it for a few hours each month

[short bramble]

Oh ok that's why some people said that it's better (even for backups) to mount the hard drive into the PC ?

[orchid iron]

yup

[median marsh]

WD bought sandisk

[short bramble]

Thank you very much!

[short bramble]

Is it a good or a bad news ?

[orchid iron]

oh yeah, so technically san disk also has fabs in an odd way

[median marsh]

good for WD i guess, since sandisk has experience with flash storages

that was years ago tho

seagate afaik also bought a flash company

[orchid iron]

isn't san disk the first one to make like 1T or 2T consumer flash storage?

[nova moss]

i also use WD

[median marsh]

i had 2x intel (some of their first SSDs and they still work) had a crucial which didn't last long... and now got 3x samsung

[devout pendant]

Seagate and WD are the goats for HDD storage

[short bramble]

So I should go with Seagate ?

But internal HDD not external to not lose data, right ?

And for SSD I guess it would be Samsung if I understood correctly?

[orchid iron]

or crucial, but kingston and other can be good aswell, but we are mentioning those with fabs (which have an advantage)

[median marsh]

samsung (SSD) and seagate/western (HDD) are my gotos atm, but other people have different experiences/opinions

[barren goblet]

internals are generally better, the lose data thing can happen but don’t think it’s like a common or quick thing

second samsung, seagate, and WD

[short bramble]

Thank you all for your kind advices, I love you !

[median marsh]

i love you, too

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/call-out-shout-out-ken-jeong-gif-3856558617789280823

(Jk)

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/jealousy-looks-terrible-on-you-bruce-sun-the-brothers-sun-don't-be-jealous-netflix-gif-14525621698235094782

[devout pendant]

Ok so I'm 99% convinced on Ryzen
But don't they have memory stability issues?

I heard of the same symptoms and bsod shit

What's the fix

Eg https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/s/yB6azOZedv

[mighty patrol]

Idk the posts seemed to be pinning it on Asus Motherboards.

[devout pendant]

Other posts are saying the issue is running 4 dimms

You have to lower the speed basically

To run 4x48gb you need to drop to 3600mt/s
But I can't figure out if the x870e boards support higher speed with 2dimm per channel

Yeah 192gb is overkill anyway and I can't even find any ECC kits, only the vengeance kit

2x48 looks better, faster, more stable, cheaper

[mighty patrol]

Ah I heard that is also a problem.

I only run 2 dimms myself on a 7950x

On my older system with 3700x I run 4 dimms no issue.

Just get 2 high capacity dimms

Problem solved

[mighty cosmos]

I just ordered a 9950x with an x870e board and 4x32GB so I'll be able to tell soon if it runs or not 😆

[devout pendant]

What board did you get

[mighty cosmos]

ASUS ROG Crosshair X870E Hero

[devout pendant]

I heard aorus master is goated but that is an expensive ass MOBO
$1k local pricing

[devout pendant]

Wait that's not cheap either 😂

[mighty cosmos]

yeah they are all pricy 😆

[devout pendant]

That's $1300 here

Yeah true all the x870e boards are expensive

Z790 are bargains in comparison

Even the 14900k is like 30% cheaper than the 9950x

[mighty cosmos]

at that price point it better run the memory at the advertised speeds lol

[devout pendant]

Yeah but you're not getting 6000mhz with 4 dimms

No chance

With amd*

[mighty cosmos]

yeah I ordered 5600mhz

[devout pendant]

Afaik 3600 is the max tested speed for 4 dimms
But you can gradually go up from there and run stability tests till you find the ceiling

[mighty cosmos]

they are advertising some crazy speeds on this board so we'll see
I waited for these x870e boards because they were annonced having better memory support, so hoping that's gonna be the case lol

[violet spade]

But it’s DDR5 and AMD socket will likely change now that Intel has, so not very future proof

[orchid iron]

That's the supported speed of 4 dimms on amd's website, so I guess he got unlucky somewhere and has to run them at standard xD

You can look up online "ryzen 128 gb" or "ryzen 192 gb" it is a mixed bag kinda, depends most on the speed you want

[devout pendant]

thats for 2 dimms

[orchid iron]

Wait why does this expensive board only support up to 192gb while x870e taichi which cheaper supports 256gb?

Huh?

[devout pendant]

64gb dimms needed for 256

[orchid iron]

ik

[devout pendant]

that qvl list doesnt even list 192gb with ryzen 9000 lol

[orchid iron]

Aaah, they probs reduced Max supported capacity so they could support faster ram, got it

[devout pendant]

this is the x870e aorus master
cheaper than the rog board, i woulkd go with this tbh
supposedly asus boards arent running well with amd and ram stability

[devout pendant]

nah cause this gigabyte supports 256 and has higher speeds

but yeah see the speed rating is only 3600 if you use 4 dimms

[orchid iron]

Then this spec may be misleading

[orchid iron]

Yup...unless you don't mind pushing you memory controller in the CPU harder

People have tried that, just look it up

[devout pendant]

the asus qvl list is just ass tbh
theyre listing supported speeds of up to 6000 with 4 dimms and 9000 cpus

i dont trust that

[orchid iron]

Same, although 6000 with 256 GB of ram would be the dream

Funny enough EPYC memory controller is upgraded compared to last gen (zen4 mc = Zen5 mc) so potentially threadripper with 6000 speeds being a good gaming CPU xD

[devout pendant]

im toying with 2x48 at 8000 😂

but 9950x is only rated for 5600

[orchid iron]

Manufacturer number

[devout pendant]

yeah

[orchid iron]

If you fry your MC it is on you :D

Dang though the a770 has pretty dang good prices and I hate how tempting it is

[devout pendant]

whats the nvidia equiv of an a770

4070?

[orchid iron]

2060

[devout pendant]

lol

[orchid iron]

Maybe 3060 at most

[devout pendant]

a770 costs the same as a 4060ti here

[orchid iron]

Yeah prices be weird man

Here a770 costs 100€ higher than 6600

[devout pendant]

i think 96gb at 6000 would be a good bet, even 5600
3600 is just so slow, even my shitty laptop rn runs at 5200 and its on ddr4

[orchid iron]

In that case I'd go for 7950x

[devout pendant]

why, 7950x rated speed from amd is even lower

[orchid iron]

Idk why, they are supposed to be same mc, but people doing 192gb had an easier time making it stable on Zen 4 instead of zen5

On like 6000 speef

[devout pendant]

true but i can save $600 aud by going 96gb instead of 192 and then speeds arent an issue
and 7950x costs the same as 9950x here, with a noticeable performance difference

[orchid iron]

Wtf who picks your local prices

[devout pendant]

i was wrong
its $280 cheaper

[orchid iron]

Okay phew

[devout pendant]

7950x3d is basically the same price as 9950x tho

[orchid iron]

Still fucked up xD

But yeah, 280$ for somewhat similar perf (unless you are into AI )

In which case you also need an AI power supply in an AI case with an AI motherboard inside of it...oh right and AI ram and AI storage

Very important

[devout pendant]

id also save $300 going for an x670 zen4 board over x870e zen5
so i could go 7950x + x670 + 192gb for the same price as 9950x + x870e + 96gb

nvm need to go x670e for pcie 5.0

[orchid iron]

You don't have to pair the motherboard with the CPUs, they are all am5
Although the x670e taichi or any other board from as rock is usually best price to performance (unless local price be cringe)

[orchid iron]

Bro, just read motherboard specs, most of them have a x16 pcie 5 slot, the chipset is just the minimum they can put

[devout pendant]

oh

i mean its the same thing, the x670 boards with pcice 5,0 cost the same as the x670e which all have pcie 5.0 lol

[orchid iron]

Just telling you in advance though...both 96gb and 192gb of ram is overkill for EU
And the main reason you'd enjoy this much capacity would be if you create a fake drive in your ram sticks and put games on there to play with ridiculously low loading screens

[orchid iron]

Yeah, in the end the chipset doesn't mean much

[devout pendant]

epic recommended requieremnents are 64gb and their in house dev PCs use 128, so i figured 96 minimum

192 is prolly overkill tho so i am now leaning towards 96

[orchid iron]

Yeah, seems fair

What's price difference between x670e taichi, x870e taichi and other high end mother boards?

And the x870e nova

[devout pendant]

x670e boards start at 500, x870e start at 750
scales similarly

asrock isnt real available here have to import

[orchid iron]

Oof

As rock isn't real confirmed xD

[devout pendant]

9950x looks a solid 10% improvement over 7950x
for 20% price increase
hmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyA9DRTJtyE

[orchid iron]

That was before agesa code and windows update

[devout pendant]

i dont understand things like this tho lmao
why is the 5600x3d and 13600k above the 9950x and 7950x in certain games

[orchid iron]

Low latency

More cores, more core to core latency

[devout pendant]

yeah but 9950x has core parking right

id assume the purpose of that is to improve latency

[orchid iron]

Yes, but he benchmarks at default settings

[devout pendant]

the first part of the vid he explains the parking and how to do it
id hope he did it for the benchmarks lmao

[orchid iron]

So you could turn your 7950x3d into a slightly worse 7800x3d if you wanted

[orchid iron]

Nope

[devout pendant]

fuck it im gonna buy a 5600x3dc

[orchid iron]

Reviewers will mostly use default settings because it is the "experience most users will get"

Even though most users probs won't know how to enable expo or xmp xD

[orchid iron]

That's a rare chip, is it available?

[devout pendant]

it costs 250 aud on newegg
thats 1/4th the price of a 9950x for similar gaming perf lol
but not similar unreal engine perf

[orchid iron]

Yeah of course

If you want to game, disable the cores that aren't in the high performance die

[devout pendant]

nvm im stupid
its 5600x $250, cant find x3d

[orchid iron]

The 9950x has 2 dies of 8 cores, one is performance die one is efficiency die

Just disable the efficiency die and enjoy some real good gaming perf

[devout pendant]

my brain hurts
it was so simple back in 2014
intel cpu, nvidia gpu, higher number better

[orchid iron]

9950x3d is likely same

[devout pendant]

i hope 9950x3d beats the 7800x3d in gaming

then its a no brainer and ill feel better droppin 1000$ on it

or more ig itll cost more than 9950x

[orchid iron]

It will in some games and it won't in others, because nothing is black and white

[mighty cosmos]

this is from their own memory support page
4 dimms of 48GB at 5200

[devout pendant]

i call cap

their qvl list is sussy

[mighty cosmos]

we'll know in a couple of days when the parts arrive

[devout pendant]

wait what cpu are u using

[orchid iron]

Okay fair, idk why there was a 192gb number you showed

[mighty cosmos]

9950x when it arrives

[orchid iron]

Doesn't matter, mobo specs differ from CPU specs

Just gotta hope the mobo doesnt bottle neck cpu

That's all

[devout pendant]

yeah thats what im saying
even if mobo supports 5200, 9950x is 3600 for 4 dimms
so maybe you can up it slowly but i doubt yuore hitting 5200 stable

[devout pendant]

i think cpu is the bottleneck in this case innit

[orchid iron]

Yup, but he can upgrade it later on and mobo still won't be bottlenecking

[devout pendant]

zen6 wen

since i basiaclly cant gamedev till ces 2025 i need another project thats not resource intensive

[mighty cosmos]

I know

[devout pendant]

lowkey want to start building s custom linux OS

[grave sundial]

Check Walmart - 192 dollars.
Shh.... don't tell others.

Woops. Out of stock!

Nvm.

[grave sundial]

I love my 6000MTs.
When I bought the Corsair Vengeance sticks, I read they might not work well with AMD chips. They do, right out of the box, with the OC profiles. 😄

[devout pendant]

2 dimms? Or 4?

[grave sundial]

TOW! ✊
Just the two. If you put in four, the speed is 2,800.

[orchid iron]

2027

[devout pendant]

Isn't 2027 am6

[orchid iron]

The good blacksmith blames his skills, the bad blacksmith blames his tools

[orchid iron]

AMD doesn't know when am6 will come

[devout pendant]

Lol it hits 97° when building visual studio files

Approx 1 BSOD for every 2 hours that unreal engine is open

Because the iGPU gets overloaded 💀

I factory reset my laptop and re did everything and drivers etc, same issue

[orchid iron]

You know the vs logo? Yeah, it's the time needed to do stuff with it

Find a better IDE

[devout pendant]

Visual studio is great

My laptop is shit

[orchid iron]

Nice tool blaming

[devout pendant]

If you can build a game on a Samsung galaxy book 2 pro I'll buy you a 5090

[orchid iron]

Sadly I can't, not because the specs are bad, but because UE on Linux can't use the Intel iGPU xD

However to help out, I can reccomend you to try to find programs or ways to reduce resources programs can use

So like take compiling for example, force it to use 50% or less rather than full 100%, and it'll take longer to compile, but the temps should be way more acceptable and it'll crash less often

Compiled UE 5.3 from source code and projects thanks to that on Linux ^^

On gen 6 Intel CPU with a nvidia 960

[orchid iron]

Also, just look at current budget options and work with that, merely having an okay CPU and a dedicated GPU is miles above what you have already

The new gen stuff and "awesome newer stuff that's coming" is just marketing
Get like last gen or gen before, whatever has the best prices CPU+mobo+ram and you'll be able to game dev long enough to upgrade to a set up 10 times better at same price

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PKUXU1gewco

Looks like Arrow in the Knee lake has put Intel in dangerous waters

[naive cloak]

Samsung buying Intel??

Sintel?

[orchid iron]

Samsung and Apple would enjoy having fabs / new Intel nodes

Qualcomm though, they have quite a bit more to acquire from Intel, including those x86 CPUs

[devout pendant]

That's ass
I'll just do something else in the meantime lol

[devout pendant]

50 series will be like 30-70% better perf for a similar price, doesn't make sense to buy now

[devout pendant]

Hope not
Fuck samsung

Would rather apple bought Intel tbh

[orchid iron]

you say that but you'll buy the 5060 or 5060 TI, which will be out probably 8-12 months from now

but since it'll be brand new, it'll be expensive

then price drops

then 60 series will be like 30-70% better perf for a similar price

[devout pendant]

Nah I'm buying 4090 or 5090 or 4080 super
If 5090 drops under 4k AUD I'm going with that, I'll be set for a decade

Only 3 months away
Which is how long it takes to save up $8k anyway

[orchid iron]

gotcha

[devout pendant]

If I had $4k right now I'd build now, 9950x 96gb 4080 super

But by the time I'm ready to buy it'll only be a 6 week wait for 5090

[agile lodge]

samsung buying amd

[devout pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-jerry-mouse-oh-really-what-did-you-say-gif-4567866740137164332

Isn't amd market cap higher

[agile lodge]

then sell it ot apple waht bet bought by wayne enterpises

[devout pendant]

Yeah Samsung is NOT buying AMD

Tbh Samsung can't buy Intel either
Apple can

NVIDIA can, Microsoft can

[agile lodge]

qualcomm lost license to arm

[devout pendant]

I was thinking about switching to iOS anyway lol

[orchid iron]

nah, they are just angry with each other, qualcomm won't lose their lience over that, they'll pay Arm more and that's it

[agile lodge]

lab and hyper now need to make chips risc-v to sold them to all those manufacures

[devout pendant]

Sounds good
Need funding and I'm down

[orchid iron]

bro, some industry chads are already working on really good risc-V products like Jim Keller (Tenstorrent) and his old Intel team that designed royal core (start up in progress)

[agile lodge]

you could call it Hyper Labs

[orchid iron]

I hate how good that sounds dang XD

[nova moss]

or can call it Creative Labs

[plush turret]

Are there any security systems smart or otherwise that i can setup to store camera footage locally on my computer?

cant seem to find one, it either is fully cloud based, or its the old style independent unit style

[orchid iron]

you may be able to change from a cloud base to a local storage for some of them, seems odd to try to force that

[plush turret]

16tb drives are pretty cheap in the long run

you can get 1 for $150-360 depending on if you want new or refurbished, and a few streams of 1080p will take a few days to fill that

the only upside of cloud based is that I can check my cam from anywhere, not just the LAN

many of the local based have email ping options

but i can simply webhook into anything on my computer

and unless they have mfg issues hdd's can easily last 5-10 years

[agile lodge]

unifi have won NAS now

[plush turret]

is TPLink any good as a router company?

[grave sundial]

I can't speak to their routers, but I think I received a couple of their modems from my ISP in the past. They worked well enough.

I do have a TPLink USB hub, with six of its seven ports constantly being used. It has performed without difficulties for a couple of years, now.

[devout pendant]

How much does it cost to diy chip fabrication equipment

[mighty patrol]

Chat gippity says 15-25 billion initially then about 1-2.5 billion a year.

I asked for building a plant, so likely able to do it smaller scale 😂

[devout pendant]

Ya I meant like what's the bare minimum to fabricate a single chip 💀

I make $500/wk

💀

[mighty patrol]

Example Calculation:
For a cutting-edge 7nm CPU:
Wafer Cost: $7,000 per wafer.
Wafer Yield: Assume 500 dies per wafer with an 80% yield, resulting in 400 functional chips.
Cost per Functional Chip: $7,000 / 400 = $17.50.
Additional Costs (Testing, Packaging): $10 per chip.
Amortized Design and Equipment Costs: $50 per chip (assuming high-volume production).

Total Estimated Cost: $17.50 + $10 + $50 = $77.50 per chip.

Summary:
The cost to manufacture a single CPU chip can range from $10 to $500 or more, depending on the technology and production volume. Advanced and cutting-edge CPU chips tend to be on the higher end of this range due to the complexity and lower initial yields of newer manufacturing processes.

Now if it's accurate who knows.

[mighty cosmos]

$77.50 per chip plus the multi million dollar equipment that only like 3 companies in the world have in posession 😆

tho something more primitive is doable with a much less expensive equipment
https://youtu.be/IS5ycm7VfXg

watched this a while ago

[devout pendant]

Surely there's mid tier equipment that I can request access to from some random electronics factory

Maybe not 7nm chips lol

[hollow moth]

Hello everyone! How are y'all doing? I'm building a PC and I'm on a budget. I am currently debating between the RX 7800XT and the 4060Ti (16GB). A lot of people have been recommending me the 7800XT. Now I've got a question: can y'all send me footage of the editor using the 7800XT/4060Ti? I just want to see what kind of performance I could expect, since footage of both cards used in the editor is kinda rare lol. Thank you!

[grave sundial]

I have posted screenies here, when I tested my new desktop with a 4060ti 16GB, Ventus OC edition.

Both the City and the Environment scenes (the really hefty ones) worked quite well. The frame rates were smooth enough and there were frame drops only when trying to zoom out a lot.

[hollow moth]

Thank you very much! What do you think? Should I choose it over the AMD card?

[grave sundial]

I would say yes, because Nvidia is better at ray-tracing than AMD, from what I have read.

I have played two UE 5 games with EPIC settings on my 4060ti and so far, performance has been peachy.

That's with ray-tracing enabled and all the bells and whistles available in the games' settings.

An aside, I have also used the card to generate images using Fooocus, an AI image generator program.

The image generation speed is quite good and I was able to use the 8 and 16GB FULL models of the AI generators.

[hollow moth]

Good point

Oh damn, I'm gonna have a mental breakdown! Everyone's recommending me different cards! xD

[grave sundial]

If your case has good airflow, then go for the overclocked editions, such as MSI's or Sapphire's.

They overclock the cards to the maximum safe value and you don't have to worry about the card failing, or OCing it yourself.

[hollow moth]

Okay, thank you.. I do kinda like the safety of NVIDIA cards more..

[grave sundial]

Both cards are fairly inexpensive at the moment. Of course, AMD's is a bit cheaper. So, it ultimately comes down to how tight your budget is.

Also, are you going to use high-end Unreal features in your game project?

Do you see yourself using Lumen, ray-tracing, nanite, megalights, etc. etc.?

If the answer is no, then the AMD card will save you a bit of money. If yes, then Nvidia's is better for the high-end feature compatibility.

[hollow moth]

I definitely see myself using Lumen and Nanite, and probably megalights. I'm not sure about ray-tracing yet, but the chances are not 0. I'd upgrade any of the cards anyway someday, but I do need something good and kinda futureproof for now! : D

I have a 1300€ budget for my whole PC, that's 1400 USD and a little more. The AMD card is around 10 - 15€ more expensive in Germany right now, so it wouldn't really matter. I can squeeze either both in my budget, which is around 500€ for the GPU.

[grave sundial]

Go with the NVidia. Once you earn some income from your project, you can upgrade.

[hollow moth]

Thank you very much.

One last question, I kinda already have an answer for this one, should i rather go AM4 and 4070 Ti Super or AM5 and 4060Ti?

[grave sundial]

AM5, because it'll be future-proof for awhile.

The 4070ti should work on it, too? 🤔

[orchid iron]

7800 xt 10-15€ more than the 4060 TI, wtf?

Where are you getting these prices from? Because either the 4060 Ti is either overpriced, or the 7800 xt has some crazy good price

[hollow moth]

Oh yes

that surprised me too

[orchid iron]

If you care about the price / performance it is am4, if you care about future upgradablity it is am5

[orchid iron]

Alright, I'm next to Germany, I don't mind doing a quick drive there, which shop is it xD

I'm coming for that 7800 xt

[hollow moth]

HAHA!

Netherlands?

[orchid iron]

Nah

[hollow moth]

Which one?

btw

[orchid iron]

Ah, amazon

[hollow moth]

Yep

I do really like getting my parts on Amazon

[orchid iron]

Yeah same, has been pretty good compared to local prices

[hollow moth]

True!

[hollow moth]

True, true

[orchid iron]

The GPU die is made up of many different sections which are all optimised for different tasks, AMD's dies have more raw compute tiles than RT tiles and Matrix multiplication tiles

Where as Nvidia has been dedicating more on RT and Matrix tiles

So as mentioned, anything ray traycing or AI, it is nvidia

Everything else, AMD

[hollow moth]

Okay, I'm not going to be using RT that much, so should I rather get AMD in that case?

[orchid iron]

More raw power for same price

[hollow moth]

Okay.. Yeah, there weren't that many people recommending me the 4060Ti over the 7800XT. I like the NVIDIA ecosystem more and AMD has way more driver issues. On the other hand, AMD cards are just fps-per-dollar (or euro in that case xD) beasts.

[orchid iron]

Also, quickly coming back to am4 vs am5

Compare B550 Taichi + 5950x price

And X670E Taichi + 7950x price

And ask yourself, is the price increase worth it?

(The x570 Taichi is out of stock, so the closest is the b550 variant but it has basically same features)

[orchid iron]

The driver issue is now just copium from Nvidia fanboys, actual owners of both cards that know how to properly manage drivers haven't seen many differences...besides Nvidia drivers maybe making gaming specific features not work as they should

[hollow moth]

Okay, that does make sense.

I think I might personally go for the AMD card

[orchid iron]

I heard Intel 12th/13th/14th gen have been getting good prices when it comes to CPU+mobo+Ram because of the 13th/14th gen failures, question is, how comfortable are you going into BIOS and maybe tuning your CPU down?

[hollow moth]

As long as it's still going to deliver good performance, I'm all for it

[orchid iron]

Multi core is better (as it should since more cores xD ) but you just gotta deal with slight randomness when it comes to single core workloads which may or may not pick E cores instead of P cores (OS should give priority to P cores, keyword should)

[hollow moth]

Makes sense.

So in that case, what would be parts would make a good PC for a budget of 1300€ xDD

[orchid iron]

Up to you to look up prices of 12900k 13900k 14900k with their motherboards and see how they compare to am4 / am5

Some sellers don't want to lower prices and some do so it depends xD

[hollow moth]

Okay lmao! I'll do that! Thank you very much.

[orchid iron]

Also, put a note that say if you pick Intel CPU, update BIOS to latest as soon as possible otherwise outdated BIOS may give you instability issues and more crashes

[hollow moth]

Okay! noted.

[barren goblet]

4060 is kinda a meh card which is probably why.

[hollow moth]

I actually might go with the 4070 now…

[barren goblet]

that is what i would suggest

[hollow moth]

The 4070 thing?

[barren goblet]

over a 4060 yes 100%

4070/4080 is usually where i’ll tell people who wanna go nvidia

[hollow moth]

Thank you! Are the 12GB VRAM going to be sufficient?

[barren goblet]

12GB is just fine yes obviously the more you have the better

[hollow moth]

True

[barren goblet]

but that is going to come down to your expectations and what you want it to do

[hollow moth]

Okay. I do wanna pick 4070 over the RX 7800XT

Any thoughts on that?

[barren goblet]

I personally prefer nvidia. I will admit AMD has gotten better with stuff like drivers but they are in my opinion not there yet

AMD will have the price to performance argument always

nvidia will be the better cards but as you can see you pay for them

[hollow moth]

Yup, that‘s true. I would choose AMD if I only wanted to do some gaming, but you know

[barren goblet]

yes I have built AMD systems for people they work fine they perform fine

and if you have a budget that’s usually the way to go