it does not.
pick mb/cpu brand you want. (like AMD/AM5 + MSI)
pick cpu from mb QVL list
pick ram from mb QVL list
pick a cooler that would match CPU heat
pick a gpu of your favorite brand
pick a power supply to hold gpu+cpu at 125% load
pick a storage of your favorite brand
pick a case to hold everything in (mostly now based on gpu width, cooler height and number of 3.5" storages)
#hardware
mellow galleon
grave sundial
and then spam discord with lots of questions when something goes wrong and you don't know what's what? 😄
I get what you mean, but that works for people who know their stuff.
mellow galleon
well, if you have zero knowledge - get a prebuilt
mighty patrol
^ or a friend
grave sundial
^ or a friend
Soon to be ex-friend from answering questions. 😄
mellow galleon
having friend does not imply having a friend with knowledge 😄
mighty patrol
Avoid alienware
grave sundial
Oi! Don't diss ignorant friends.
Don't you realise SO MANY MISTAKES have been made using friends' opinions?
It's a tradition!
✊
mighty patrol
Yeah but you can always compare & contrast data. So you aren't relying on one source.
mellow galleon
i never had a prebuilt pc nor anyone among people i know. most of prebuilts i've seen have weird focus on rgb and fanciness disregarding even basic cooling needs.
who even puts stock cooler on 7800 or a 500w psu with 3080
mighty patrol
I have a prebuilt from 2011 still going strong
grave sundial
Oh yeah! I remember that time. It was just a few years ago that everyone was obsessed with lights and wowness.
mighty patrol
Refurbished it myself 4 times
grave sundial
I still want to build a wolf cabinet.
A wolf head protrudes from the top-front of the case and clawed paws from the bottom-front.
fallen oasis
it does not.
pick mb/cpu brand you want. (like AMD/AM5 + MSI)
pick cpu from mb ...
I'd probalby pick the cpu first myself!
mellow galleon
🙂
barren goblet
Might also wanna confirm cpu/ram compatibility. Those are…fun to deal with lol
median marsh
if we just had a standard which serious memory producers could follow...
i would name it JEDEC
grave sundial
i would name it JEDEC
Or a more convenient label - 👉 💩 👍 - would work better.
grave sundial
I wasn't. 👉 💩 👍 just means 'This Shit Works', so you'll be guaranteed that your RAM sticks will work with your Mobo and CPU.
A universally understandable standard. 😄
median marsh
nvm
rigid leaf
Hey guys im look at upgrading my computer rig for unreal engine dev and was wondering which part would be the most crucial for me to upgrade. My specs are: RTX 2070 Super 3.7GHz, Intel i7 9700F 8 cores 3.6Ghz, 32 Gb RAM 3200Mghz. Thanks guys
mellow galleon
Hey guys im look at upgrading my computer rig for unreal engine dev and was wond...
cpu threads + ram if you want to compile cpp super fast
gpu cores and vram if you want to compile shaders super fast and use giga textures
rigid leaf
My issue right now is previewing sequences. I only have a few moving components and yet I have to render the entire sequence to see if anything is wrong, since when I view it in sequence I run at 6 fps. Any suggestions for that?
mighty cosmos
cpu threads + ram if you want to compile cpp super fast
gpu cores and vram if yo...
Shader compiling is done on the CPU
forest jay
Looking for threads in here on the newly released noctua cpu cooler. Thoughts ?
muted flume
Computer question, what are these and what do I need to buy to look at these?
I thought they were bare drives and bought a bare drive adapter but that ain’t it
delicate crystal
Computer question, what are these and what do I need to buy to look at these?
they look like nvm.e drives?
muted flume
they look like nvm.e drives?
do you have any idea if an adaptor cable exist to view whats on them?
final pilot
do you have any idea if an adaptor cable exist to view whats on them?
yes you can get docks for them
these type deals
look for nvme docks
muted flume
yes you can get docks for them
thankyou
plush turret
thankyou
amazon has a $15 option for quick use if you just want to check whats on them
delicate crystal
anyone have a general idea of what core amount/memory specs I should be looking at for a new system? Currently looking at a 16 core system with 128 of RAM
fresh fog
That will be pretty good.
In terms of VRAM you'll ideally want a card that has 12GB plus. but at that price point for the cpu and ram you should be able to easily get 16-24GB
tough frost
Hey guys. I am single developer and I want develop game like Zelda Graphics (Stylized Graphics, Open World etc.)
My Build
500 GB Sata SSD WD Blue (System Disk)
500 GB NVME Kingston NV2 (Unreal Engine&Games)
1 TB 7200 RPM HDD (Backup & Assets) x2*
GTX 1660 SUPER
Ryzen 5 5600
B450 Motherboard
16x2 G.Skill 3200 Mhz RAM
I have a small bucket for update my build. Do you have any recommendations for me?
I can buy just RTX 4070 SUPER or Ryzen 7 7xxx series cpu + motherboard + 2 tb ssd
fresh fog
you'll also want 64GB RAM
median marsh
i would upgrade GPU and invest into more ssd space...
assets on hard disk is suboptimal
then update whatever bottlenecks you most, also depends on your workflows (e.g. making own models in Blender/Maya while UE is running, using C++ IDE, etc..)
delicate crystal
That will be pretty good.
In terms of VRAM you'll ideally want a card that has 1...
the Asus DUAL OC Radeon RX 7600 XT 16 GB Video Card i'm looking at should do them
delicate crystal
you'll also want 64GB RAM
would echo this. I'd say go for 128 if you can
delicate crystal
assets on hard disk is suboptimal
i'd echo Ben here. Mechanical drives should only be for backup/cold storage. Anything that's accessed a bit should be on SSD's
fresh fog
the Asus DUAL OC Radeon RX 7600 XT 16 GB Video Card i'm looking at should do the...
the amd cards are amazing value for money if you don't need to pay nvidia tax
delicate crystal
the amd cards are amazing value for money if you don't need to pay nvidia tax
will add them to the search
delicate crystal
I think 16GB is probably my limit. 20/24GB's are four figures. Heck even some 16's are pretty close to that depending on the chipset
barren goblet
But I like my Nvidia tax….ok maybe I don’t but Ray tracing 😂
I’ll second the 64GB it helps a lot. 128 is probably a little more than you need but extra ram is nice Exspecially if your testing servers
fresh fog
depending on the cpu even 64gb can be conservative
you want 2GB per thread, so if you're going for a 7950X, you're pushing it, and want to consider 96GB - 128GB
I would say the upside is RAM is a lot cheaper than it was, but with AM5 you're locked to DDR5 so that ain't true :D
median marsh
i really wonder how you guys max out 64GB
i had >64GB usage only for CPU Lightbuilds
on a 16 core cpu
and for fbx imports... but that's another thing 😄
barren goblet
spec wise sure maybe but 128 is a pretty specific use case
and expensive lol
64GB has been plenty so far for me
fresh fog
I don't with my smol CPU on my personal machine, but for a different machine, I've been pretty close
median marsh
i would recommend 64GB as 2x32GB kit
with the option to upgrade later when necessary
fresh fog
Me too
barren goblet
yeah I think thats better. I have 4x16 and it works but there are some drawbacks lol
fresh fog
You'll be bandwidth limited but it shouldn't matter too much
median marsh
no
2x32GB runs in dual channel, and so does a set of four
unless you have threadripper which supports quadchannel
barren goblet
yeah generally speaking 2 slots can run higher clock speeds than 4
at leat from what ive seen
I struggle to push 4 sticks past 6400 with any kind of stability
but it could also be my complete lack of understanding with overclocking xD
fresh fog
i cba with overclocking.
my limit is enabling xmp :P
barren goblet
thats about where im at xD
median marsh
so overclocking
barren goblet
I turn on xmp and leave it alone LOL
fresh fog
I don't know how people have the patience to overclock their cpu's, mess with ram timings and whatnot
barren goblet
yeah TBh its never been worth it to me
median marsh
i did that too as a kid
barren goblet
I can understand to some extent its fun for some people
but its very little performance gains
median marsh
it was some kind of smol budget mixed with the joy of exploration 😄
barren goblet
it is cool but im a complete novice at it XD
barren goblet
sure and depending what your doing you can see a good difference
I see a lot of people wanting to overclock for gaming and it just doenst work that way xD
median marsh
or you get an expensive paperweight 😄
because back then there wasn't any security in the CPU which would throttle them
they would just overheat and die
barren goblet
XD yeah
drowsy idol
delicate crystal
I would say the upside is RAM is a lot cheaper than it was, but with AM5 you're ...
is it worth going to DDR5? Was told the latency right5 now is brutual, and you can save a decent amount doing 16 core with AM4's
barren goblet
is it worth going to DDR5? Was told the latency right5 now is brutual, and you c...
It’s faster and if your getting a newer GPU you might as well/kinda have too
A graphics card upgrade turned into a new build for me 😂 all ddr5
delicate crystal
for me it's my current system starting to do random blue screens when ever I try to do anything graphical. Consdierng it's five years and the OS is held together by hopes and dreams, it's time ot shop
delicate crystal
It’s faster and if your getting a newer GPU you might as well/kinda have too
hmm ok. Wondered as I was looking at either a 16 core with DDR4, or a 7950 with DDR5, and wondered if the extra few hundred was worth it.
barren goblet
Short answer for me is yes
but I always went with a stupid nice graphics card and higher end CPU this time so a lot upgraded too make my experience better
It wasn’t just the DDR5 it was more me going to a 40 series GPU, and grabbing components to support that
delicate crystal
Was looking at a Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 4060 Ti. Don't know if that's the best of the best right now, but for 700 bucks I hope it's not terrible
barren goblet
Definitely not the best of the best
I’ve heard mixed things about it
But from what I’ve seen no it’s not all bad
delicate crystal
hmm any chipset recommendations to consider?
barren goblet
I’d probably say try and go 4070 or 4080 but Nvidia as I’m sure your finding jumps the price on you quick
really comes down to what your willing to spend on a new build
delicate crystal
I’d probably say try and go 4070 or 4080 but Nvidia as I’m sure your finding jum...
well 700 bucks is probably the limit on a video card. For that I can get that one I mentioned, or a Raedon 7800. Maybe a 7900 if I push it
barren goblet
arguments both ways. I personally won’t touch AMD. Though the CPUs have tempted me
I will say this for AMD. If price to performance is more what you care about out AMD is winning
If you don’t care what it costs and just want the best. Well that’s Nvidia
delicate crystal
right now my current concern is when I say go, it says how high. No video flakyness or blue screen because the drivers are shit
barren goblet
that was the mission statement for my latest build
Hurt a little but I’m happy with the power haha
delicate crystal
same. Right now I've got Corsair 128 GB DDR5-5600, AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D, and Curcial P3 Plus 4TB in a RAID 1
barren goblet
Quite the ram size over there haha
delicate crystal
but vid cards....they all look the same to me. Not really knowing which one to go with, Raedon, GeForce, or someone else
barren goblet
pros and cons to both
delicate crystal
Quite the ram size over there haha
I do kubernetes development during the day so it helps
barren goblet
Nvidia typically handles Ray tracing and AI better
barren goblet
I do kubernetes development during the day so it helps
Fair enough
Nvidia also tends to clock higher and faster but you have to ask if that performance boost is worth the sometimes couple extra hundred
There is some gray area in the mid tier of things
delicate crystal
There is some gray area in the mid tier of things
definitely learning that
barren goblet
for me I’ve always gone Nvidia
Too many bad experiences with AMD and too many compatibility’s issues
Maybe they have fixed that but I’m really personally not interested it given them more chances XD
delicate crystal
might do the same. Thikn the current one is a 1070 Ti and it consistently whines about drivers when I start UE
barren goblet
Nvidia as I said does handle certain things better such as Ray tracing
and works better with things like blender and auto cad
That isn’t to say AMD can’t
But Nvidia is definitely winning currently
barren goblet
might do the same. Thikn the current one is a 1070 Ti and it consistently whines...
I had one of those. Good little card haha
delicate crystal
it did the job it was bought for (running Cities:Skylines without dying), but man it didn't like UE5
barren goblet
Starting to take dev more seriously and do a lot of work at home. It’s obviously got a nice bonus of being good with games XD
Oh I’m sure haha
I just upgraded from a 2070 super to a 4090
so I made quite the jump lol
but with Covid and everything couldn’t afford a 3090 finally in a better spot
And wanted something nice for once 😂
delicate crystal
true. It's why I was trying ot decide what card to do. DIdn't want to muck with a system that would fight me on every turn like my current one
barren goblet
Yeah and you do need to be willing to pay more depending what that means to you
Or at least understand where the limits are
And see if those are acceptable to you
From what I can see so far you have the makings of an amazing system
Graphics cards are always a consideration haha
And one of if not the most expensive part XD
delicate crystal
ya the max budget is 3000. Can massage that if it's worth while, but really dont want it to get nuts
barren goblet
That’s a very healthy number for a power system
delicate crystal
well I upgrade about every five to ten years so figure it's worth it
barren goblet
I think retail mines around 4500 but that’s also with a stupid strong graphics card and 8TB of NVME storage
delicate crystal
how's the Raedon RX 7900 XT? AMD fun still eh?
ya I'm thinking I'm goign to ahve to raise the budget to 3500
barren goblet
Haven’t personally used it, built a system for a friend and they like it alot
delicate crystal
tthe 8tb for an NVMe was too much of a jump for me
barren goblet
But they are only playing games but I’m sure it would handle production stuff fine
barren goblet
tthe 8tb for an NVMe was too much of a jump for me
Yeah good sale at micro center haha 4, 2TB drives
delicate crystal
noice. Is that an american store?
barren goblet
First two for games/production stuff like visual studio other two drives for unreal engine
barren goblet
noice. Is that an american store?
Yes I believe it’s US only
delicate crystal
ah that explains it
barren goblet
It’s been my go to for computer parts
delicate crystal
ya I know up here sales are not easy to find
barren goblet
That or Amazon but honestly micro center almost always has what I want in stock
Yeah and that’s the other thing I’ve heard PC parts fluctuate depending where you are in the world
delicate crystal
ya we're paying a markup due to our low dollar so that doesn't help
barren goblet
Ah gotcha
delicate crystal
Think an ASUS OC Raedon RX 7900 XT 20 gig card might work. For a grand it should 😄
barren goblet
Oh yeah haha
I’ve heard great things about it
a grand doesn’t sound awful but again Nvidia guy over here
I got lucky to get my 4090 for 1600
Right before the price sky rocketed XD
delicate crystal
ya for me I'm neutral on chipset. Whatever works better, I will buy.
pretty much what I've got so far
barren goblet
And to some extent it does come down to preference
Looks good the only thing I’d say to look out for is that CPU cooler
that seems really cheap for a cooler
delicate crystal
oh ya that's just a placeholder to shut up the parser
delicate crystal
ya I figure the cooling will be another hundred or so
GOing to get if I do it in a mixeo ATX. Currently have a Full ATX case and the damn thing weighs a ton
barren goblet
Oh yeah haha mines quite heavy now XD
yeah coolers honestly aren’t bad
I did an AIO
delicate crystal
nice. I bought the current one not planning to move, then covid came and I moved like six times since. a 60 lb case is a bitch to move
barren goblet
Helps keep those temps down when compiling UE5 source XD
barren goblet
nice. I bought the current one not planning to move, then covid came and I moved...
Oh yeah hahah
delicate crystal
oof hit the 4k mark
barren goblet
Adds quick doesn’t it 😂
delicate crystal
true that. only good thing about it is I can deduct it off my taxes
delicate crystal
ya one of the things I wanted to do is sell some graphic packs to help pay for it. dont' know how succssfull it'll be, but it's something
how well does windows 11 behave with UE?
barren goblet
So far I haven’t seen any issues
I’ve been running windows 11 since it came out
Didn’t start off great XD
But it seems fine now
I did see you got 11 pro in my opinion that’s a great choice
delicate crystal
ya i avoid any home products completely. M$'s introductionary stuff is garbage IMO
pseudo imp
i hope ill be able use all features of UE with my new pc
waiting for case till 14.5. to finish
frank glade
I hope its an Asus case...or else
violet spade
ASUS…Laura is turning in her grave
frank glade
finally people can buy Asus without getting bullied
median marsh
and Samsung
naive cloak
Laura left this server?
fallen oasis
A little while ago.
naive cloak
why?
fallen oasis
A mix of cba, discord server scraping and doing new thing.
median marsh
she will come back when she needs votes for her MSVC fix requests on the MS bugtracker
frank glade
Laura left this server?
Left the server again
violet spade
A mix of cba, discord server scraping and doing new thing.
Cba?
fallen oasis
Can't be arsed/bothered
sharp orchid
can i run smoothly unreal engine 5 in i5 12400 with rtx 3060 12gb , 16 gb ram ?
sharp orchid
can i run smoothly unreal engine 5 in i5 12400 with rtx 3060 12gb , 16 gb ram ?
@fallen oasis@violet spade
mellow galleon
if it is your current one , i'd suggest extending to 32/64gb of ram. would be simplest budget boost by just adding two extra ram sticks without redoing whole config
fallen oasis
<@163374417634656257><@179343890409717771>
Why are you pinging people?
delicate crystal
finally people can buy Asus without getting bullied
people were getting bullied for Asus? Weird. Iv'e bought Asus boards and cards for eyars, never had issues
naive cloak
Asus was good for years, problems started after 2020
naive cloak
componenet soldered wrong, rust inside water cooling block, bad BIOS with update that void the warranty and more...
median marsh
We would like to reassure our customers that both beta and fully validated BIOS updates for ASUS AM5 motherboards are covered by the original manufacturer’s warranty.
rust in waterblocks and bad soldering sounds like an issue in their QS chain, not sure how frequent those issues have been 🤷
fallen oasis
Shame Laura isn't here, I'm sure she'd rattle off a few thousand complaints.
naive cloak
from what it looks like, people who buy PC components nowadays should not expect them to last more than 4 years if not less 🤷♂️
mighty patrol
Have you seen the fate of some of those 4090's? RIP
fallen oasis
<@163374417634656257><@179343890409717771>
Random ping is random.
mighty cosmos
> We would like to reassure our customers that both beta and fully validated BIO...
That's after a massive backlash they got for sneakily trying to void warranty if you update the bios
violet spade
Money well spent
violet spade
Random ping is random.
Lol, add to it the crosspost from #career-chat
fallen oasis
@sharp orchid try not to cross post!
I'd post that in another channel, too, but that's just too much.
opaque pond
Money ~~well~~ spent
eh?
delicate crystal
https://www.asus.com/support/faq/1050442/#:~:text=We%20would%20like%20to%20reass...
Guess I'll need to debate some other options
wild hill
WOW, I see a lot of ROG!
plush turret
ASUS…Laura is turning in her grave
wait what happened to laura?
violet spade
wait what happened to laura?
Gone
violet spade
Sometimes people leave
opaque pond
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xDvVz6 what do you think about this for ue5?
violet spade
May wanna do better than 4060
Even the higher VRAM version has a slower bus so it’s a bit of a scam
plush turret
is there anything majorly different about the 4060 or is it simply a speed thing?
barren goblet
You get the newer versions of DLSS but the 4060 is a fairly entry level. It can get the job done but kinda second this, I’d really look at a 4070 or maybe 4080 depending on budget
violet spade
is there anything majorly different about the 4060 or is it simply a speed thing...
Not enough VRAM for standard version and the bus is too narrow so even with the 16GB you get slow VRAM
delicate crystal
where can you check to see if the bus would be too narrow?
median marsh
it's apparently still fast enough to saturate the gpu
what's the benefit of faster memory if the GPU can't handle it anyways?
plush turret
bigger number better
delicate crystal
Kindnof concerned the rx 7900 im looking at has the same issue
frank glade
Well yes but then you run out of vram and everything runs at 2 fps
opaque pond
May wanna do better than 4060
well compared to the current specs?
plush turret
2FPS? thats awesome
my first gaming pc was a windows vista with 2gb ram
and my first general pc had 256mb ram and 32gb hdd.... in 2014
frank glade
yeah but you're gonna lose money waiting on UE...just get the biggest vram and that's that
mighty patrol
Just go quadro and worry about costs later.
plush turret
I too want a computer worth as much as a new honda civic
grave sundial
How cool would it be if we could just 3D print a video card generated by an AI and get ourselves a $3,000 GPU for $250 worth of resin? 😄
mellow galleon
and place it on a pedestal to look at
grave sundial
I was assuming we'd 3D print a functional video card.
That being said, running an RTX 9999 on a pedestal might not be a bad idea.
mellow galleon
you would need a serious PSU rack to supply 25kW of power that it will draw and few cooling towers too
frank glade
You'd just use your home tesla supercharger, 2-in-1
opaque pond
yeah but you're gonna lose money waiting on UE...just get the biggest vram and t...
i got a gpu with 512MB of vram right now
grave sundial
you would need a serious PSU rack to supply 25kW of power that it will draw and ...
We could use those PSUs to form the pillar of the pedestal. Cooling units could form the bottom and top bases, just like some Roman columns.
It'd be cool!
plush turret
the panteon, wasnt a tribute to zeus, it was a giant ancient pc they used to play games on
mighty patrol
and place it on a pedestal to look at
Just put the mobo on a pedestal problem solved as well as the entire rig 😂
tulip wedge
I have a screen that says behind
19 V -... 1.3 A
and
I have an cable of another screen that says
19V -... 1.58 A
will I break/burn the screen or is fine?
mighty cosmos
It's the rating that the cable can handle, the amps it will draw entirely depends on the consuming device
You would have a problem if the device was drawing more than the cable can handle, it would be heating up and melting
spark ivy
Hi, everyone! I'm a newbie and I'm planning to make a PC build for UE5. My tasks in UE are aimed at creating environments and cinematics, maybe metahuman. Can anyone recommend a PC components or tell me about yours? The big problem for me right now is deciding on a processor. I'm considering Ryzen 7 5800, Ryzen 7 7700, Ryzen 9 5900, Ryzen 9 7900.
fallen oasis
Why not to use ASUS lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pMrssIrKcY
mellow galleon
the only rma i used was for my dead ocz vertex, they received it in a week, and in two weeks sent completely new drive back to me with "critical defect confirmed, our fault - you get new drive"
95% of companies simply do not accept rma in my area
naive cloak
I just wanted to post that video, idk what Asus is trying to do...
maybe they got tired from making good PC components and want to close that division and focus on smartphones or something
but from my experience, if something breaks and you cant fix it yourself there is 95% chance that if you send it to repair you will get it back in worse condition than it was 🤷♂️
mellow galleon
most likely the service company takes a cut from the repair and parts repaired, so they always interested in repairing more than it needs.
naive cloak
maybe, but Asus "name" depends on it
we got to a point when old stuff is better and will outlast new stuff... amazing
agile lodge
delicate crystal
what would people recommened other then asus, since my current planned build used them due to reputation
naive cloak
even Gamer Nexus didnt knew what to recommend instead of Asus (at least for MB) 😅
I guess you will have to buy Asus and pray that it will not require warranty...
violet spade
fallen oasis
Msi? Gigabyte?
delicate crystal
Never heard good things about either of those, but that was in 2019
fallen oasis
I have a gb motherboard and graphics card. No real complaints.
That aren't my own fault.
median marsh
my radeon rx290 from MSI died from overheating because a fan apparently broke 😦
i would have thought that at that point of time they had automatic underclocking -_-
or was it a 280... idk but the GPU die still is laying on my monitor stand to remind me of this 😄
delicate crystal
how well do AMD chipset cards handle raytracing?
mellow galleon
how well do AMD chipset cards handle raytracing?
you mean hardware RT? they have own implementation, it is comparable to nvidia hw rt.
as for RT in general it existed for ages (it is funny to hear from people that nvidia invented raytracing)
mighty patrol
To be fair nvidia didn't even invent it. It's been around before nvidia was even a company iirc. Since the 1960s
median marsh
what's the innovation behind it?
other than figuring out that in physics surfaces reflect light bounces
or electric waves in general
mighty patrol
Not entirely sure I havn't messed with making it myself but the concepts I found where from here. https://www.historyofcg.com/pages/ray-tracing/
At least a small tid bit of info lel.
delicate crystal
you mean hardware RT? they have own implementation, it is comparable to nvidia h...
oh no I'm quite aware how ignorant I am when it comes to graphical hardware capabilities. Just asn't aware if the AMD chips did it or not. The joys of trying to relearn after a ten year hiatus
delicate crystal
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/CgLKmD
Decided to have a look and see if Intel might be a viable option. eight more cores is nice. Not sure if saphirre vid cards are any good or not
grave sundial
Is anyone here using Samsung 980/990 Pro NVMe(s)?
They have been having some degradation problems, or maybe that's been resolved now? I wanted to know if any of you have experienced that.
median marsh
that was resolved few weeks after discovery by firmware updates
also it was a firmware not hardware problem from what i know
median marsh
https://www.pugetsystems.com/support/guides/critical-samsung-ssd-firmware-update/ this article may be better
also i can really recommend the 970 :>
got 3 of them and they just work fine and provide decent speeds
naive cloak
Samsung S24 Ultra allows updating without WIFI connection?
delicate crystal
Is anyone here using Samsung 980/990 Pro NVMe(s)?
had them for years in my current system. Work fine for me
fresh fog
I normally tend to go for a slightly lower price point personally. Never saw the point of the premium brand
Though, my current budget one ended up skyrocketing
those crucial p5's look pretty nice though
I run a 2.5" MX500 too, that's a good drive
median marsh
i can send you a paperweight from crucial 😄
was one of their first tho (64GB iirc)
i wouldn't say that samsung is a "premium" brand
they just happen to be the largest company which actually produces all the flash chips which are on SSDs
therefor i rather buy at the source than from some 3rd party vendor...
frank glade
was one of their first tho (64GB iirc)
I still have mine!
mighty patrol
Is anyone here using Samsung 980/990 Pro NVMe(s)?
Work fine on my end.
pastel blaze
Is anyone here using Samsung 980/990 Pro NVMe(s)?
Yeah they patched it with a firmware update through the SAMSUNG magician software. Got a 980 Pro 1TB as my games drive
prisma ginkgo
does AMD works well with Blender/Unreal I'm deciding between RTX 4070 12gb or Radeon 7800xt 16gb
I'm considering AMD just for the extra 4gb of vram
I know Nvidia has better drivers and ray tracing performance
mighty patrol
unreal loves vram
fresh fog
I know Nvidia has better drivers and ray tracing performance
nvidia having better drivers is a joke
i've been team red for 5 years and never had to mess with drivers.
have a machine with team green for 9 months and I've had to twice
frank glade
Depends on your usage, but there was an uproar in the 6900xt days where substance painter was completely unusable to amd users...for weeks
frank shadow
Monitor advice, Currently have 22" flat and a 27" curved monitor in landscape. Looking for opinions on going ultrawide or something as i just want to have 2 essentially full screen applications open at the same time. Looking at possibly 34/40 Ultrawides
mellow galleon
coworker had crashes and bsods when compiling engine on his brand new workstation with 14900K, looks like this is not just for games lol
https://www.quodsoler.com/blog/how-to-fix-crashes-in-unreal-engine5-games-on-intel-i7-13700k-and-i9-13900k-series
naive cloak
it happens only when using UE?
plush turret
ok so the random graphical errors might not be monitor based
i was able to move my mouse over the glitched section and see it
mellow galleon
it happens only when using UE?
anything that uses 100% of cpu 😄 benchmarks, games, compiler
delicate crystal
adds this to reasons not to buy that processor
grave sundial
About the Ryzen 9 x3D processors. I am interested in the 7950x3D and was checking how well it works with a Noctua NH-D15 air cooler. Based on what I have been reading, the CPU raises its clock speed automatically until it reaches 95C and if the cooling unit is of a high quality, then the CPU speeds up until it hits that threshold, thereby staying warm continuously.
Are any of you using an x3D processors from the Ryzen 9 series? If so, do you recommend underclocking the CPU to prevent it from staying warm just because the cooler is good?
barren goblet
_adds this to reasons not to buy that processor_
It’s def a problem but it’s not all of them for sure
grave sundial
Hi, ShinyKey! 👋
barren goblet
About the Ryzen 9 x3D processors. I am interested in the 7950x3D and was checkin...
That will kinda be up to you and your testing. You definitely want good enough cooling so your CPU doesn’t thermal throttle. Not sure about the “staying warm” thing that sounds odd. Lot of motherboards do tend to give more power to the CPU for stability reasons, it doesn’t need it so a lot do underclock
barren goblet
Hi, ShinyKey! 👋
Hi haha
Now as for do you need to….i haven’t under clocked mine
But mine also doesn’t thermal throttle so guess I haven’t bothered
and sorry to clarify I don’t have that CPU
I’m speaking more generally
grave sundial
That will kinda be up to you and your testing. You definitely want good enough c...
This processor is apparently designed to increase its speed until it hits 95C, so long as the cooling is suitable. Basically, if you have a bad cooler, it throttles itself and never becomes warm enough to hit 95C no matter what you do. BUT, if the cooler is good, the CPU utilises the extra cooling to use more power and generate more heat, to reach its highest clock speed.
It's like an auto-accelerator, but tied to your cooling power.
barren goblet
Interesting 🧐
There is an upper limit on it. Haven’t heard that but it sounds like you are talking about thermal throttling to me
grave sundial
Yeah, it'll keep going until it either reaches max speed and stays there, or it hits 95C.
At that point, it throttles.
grave sundial
Someone on reddit actually suggested using a bad cooler 🤣 just to stop the CPU from going, "LET'S RUMBLE!!!!"
Another guy says it doesn't really matter, because even with benchmarking, the 7950x3D doesn't go beyond 82C with the Noctua.
barren goblet
Yeah personally that’s the hottest I’m comfortable with
grave sundial
Speaking of Noctua, did you hear the noise increments on their industrial PPC fan?
barren goblet
Speaking of Noctua, did you hear the noise increments on their industrial PPC fa...
I did not
barren goblet
😂
grave sundial
Clear for take-off. Proceed to runway 3.
median marsh
This processor is apparently designed to increase its speed until it hits 95C, s...
i feel like that doesn't sum up
barren goblet
I mean if it does the job XD
median marsh
every CPU throttles itself if they hit their thermal limit
and it will throttle at 95deg no matter if the cooler is good or bad
grave sundial
This one - Noctua NF-A12x25 - is much better though. Even at 2000 RPM, it's pretty okay.
grave sundial
i feel like that doesn't sum up
I don't own the processor, so I can't confirm it myself, but the reddit threads basically say that. The CPU tracks the cooling and scales itself accordingly. 🤷
Personally, I don't care so long as it doesn't go above 85 or so for me.
barren goblet
I’d take anything from Reddit with a grain of salt haha
grave sundial
You know, so long as it doesn't burn my house down.
Or cause me to dehydrate and die while playing something.
🤣
median marsh
i wouldn't mind too much about it
eventually it keeps track of what happened before and therefor it knows when to "accelerate" less
to not overshoot
grave sundial
Okay. I'll trust Skynet.
So, on to another question. Paired with a decent air cooler, do I need more than one 2000 RPM case fan?
Assume I'll use a big CPU case.
grave sundial
Ah, the CPU case is a mid-tower E-ATX cabinet, assuming that's important for this question. 😄
grave sundial
I quite possible have 4 case fans lol
What's the RPM on them?
I am wondering if one high RPM fan equals having multiple low-RPM ones.
barren goblet
What's the RPM on them?
I wanna say the case fans are around 2000
But I’d have to double check
grave sundial
Does your computer case take off when you turn it on?
Like, out the balcony and onto the expressway?
How much more useful would a full tower case be, compared to a mid-tower?
I mean, does it give you better air flow or something?
@barren goblet #generative-ai message - I want to make a custom case like this.
I am sure it'll be PITA, but totally worth it. 😄
barren goblet
Does your computer case take off when you turn it on?
No it’s much too heavy 😂😂😂
barren goblet
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How much more useful would a full tower case be, compared to a mid-tower?
Generally speaking yes, I always go full tower cause I like a lot of room in my desktop for expansion
barren goblet
<@146745258703585281> https://discord.com/channels/187217643009212416/1001804697...
That’s pretty sweet
barren goblet
Generally speaking yes, I always go full tower cause I like a lot of room in my ...
Not to mention my graphics card is huge lol
grave sundial
The 4090 memes are awesome.
grave sundial
At that point, just combine the CPU with it and make it the only brick you'll ever need. 😄
grave sundial
I read that Intel was testing a CPU-GPU sandwich.
barren goblet
highest for me so far has been 800w 🤣
grave sundial
They basically inverted one of them and placed it on top of the other.
barren goblet
interesting 🧐
grave sundial
No clue if they melted the laboratory in the process though.
grave sundial
highest for me so far has been 800w 🤣
The electricity bill is also a point of concern for me.
I know the computer doesn't run at a full 1KW the whole time, but I don't want it to cost as much as the AC at some point. 🤣
grave sundial
I don't want to work more to compensate. 😄
barren goblet
I mean fair XD
grave sundial
@thin elk Bow to the machine god.
It's a steampunk CPU case.
People make some really groovy stuff. 🙂
plush turret
<@333248341460779009> Bow to the machine god.
is that a fcking 3.5 inch floppy drive?
plush turret
Stolen from Boeing, probably.
i have a workshop air siphon as an airflow boost when i need it... it has a 50,000 RPM max speed
grave sundial
is that a fcking 3.5 inch floppy drive?
Apparently, yes. With a CD-ROM drive AND quite possibly a radio set for some reason.
grave sundial
There's such a thing as too much air, you know. 😛
plush turret
herasy
grave sundial
https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396
Those who are not heretics will know why.
plush turret
BTU transfer to the max
have an HVAC tech as a gamer, can run everything at max and still be at 25C
grave sundial
Your computer will probably taxi for take-off at 50,000 rpm.
thin elk
shader meth is hard ._.
plush turret
actually im designing the house im building with airflow specifically to provide optimum airflow for the desktop
grave sundial
remember to design the living space for living, too.
That might be important, ya'know.
violet spade
And the master bedroom for… bedroom stuff
fresh fog
shader meth is hard ._.
I think... I think you might be doing it wrong
thin elk
I think... I think you might be doing it wrong
oh 100%
thin elk
I think... I think you might be doing it wrong
look at this marvelous cube i made by manually trying to set up the index buffers and vertices using a procedural mesh
what? thats not a cube? nonsense!
fresh fog
No... I meant the meth bit.
I mean it might make the process more bearable
fresh fog
Maybe you should. Meth is bad
thin elk
Maybe you should. Meth is bad
how else am i supposed to make this godforsaken cube then??
fresh fog
Copy your math from somewhere else 😅
thin elk
Copy your ***math*** from somewhere else 😅
oh wise red panda, ive searched far and wide and none of the solutions seem to work. i worked it out by fucking hand as well and it still doesnt work
wind egret
Have you made a square?
thin elk
Have you made a square?
yes. the problem appears to be the order of the triangles the "Create Mesh Section" function uses. I can make any one face perfectly fine, but i cannot figure out how to make all the faces at once, it seems to try and reach for vertexes that it has no business getting to
like, i put the index buffers for each face separately, it renders them properly. i then put all the indices into one giant array and well, i get that monstrosity
im thinking of calling it tim
these are the indices i worked out by hand, these are the indices copilot spit out. both gives the same result
wind egret
Don't believe the mathematicians, real cubes have 24 vertices. Make six squares and let them have their own indices.
You can do it the fancy way with a perfectly unwrapped contiguous cube, but I think it led to some misery like being impossible to UV elegantly.
thin elk
Don't believe the mathematicians, real cubes have 24 vertices. Make six squares ...
i..dont understand, can you elaborate a little more please?
wind egret
About the former or the latter?
thin elk
about the 24 vertices
violet spade
And why are you saying mathematicians are liars? 😀
wind egret
Each side is four vertices and two triangles. Six sides, therefore 24 vertices.
E.g.
vertices = 0,1.2,3, 4,5,6,7... etc.
faces = 0,1,2, 2,1,3 4,5,6 6,5,7 etc.
thin elk
ah okay
delicate crystal
Hardware has become linear algebra? WIld
grave sundial
If you weld some metallic numbers together, it's technically hardware.
grave sundial
Nice!
grave sundial
Is one a UHD monitor and the other a QHD?
Or are both UHDs with just a size difference?
pseudo imp
wait
pseudo imp
Is one a UHD monitor and the other a QHD?
they are FHD and QHD
bottom one is pretty old
i plan to get some UHD monitor later... pc were priority let i can study UE
actually im not that much of resolution fanatic... sure is cool to have 2K or 4K but even in these days i think 1080p is just good enough for almost everything
grave sundial
actually im not that much of resolution fanatic... sure is cool to have 2K or 4K...
When you are going to finish a gaming project of your own, steal/borrow a 4k monitor from somewhere, just to check the quality of the graphics for the final product. Even if you don't ship 4k textures, you can check how it looks on 4k with upscaling.
pseudo imp
i believe once ill get to that point i will finish some serious game i will have my own already
plush turret
so weird question, can i setup a secondary screen to the left in multiscreen?
star would be main screen:
star is main screen
screens roughly to scale
median marsh
When you are going to finish a gaming project of your own, steal/borrow a 4k mon...
you are aware that even lower res screens can profit from 4k textures?
grave sundial
you are aware that even lower res screens can profit from 4k textures?
yes, and?
mental timber
grave sundial
are those released?
mental timber
Not yet. But soon
brazen salmon
Anyone have any good suggestions on how to find compatible ram for a nearly 10yr old pc? :P
tried to add another 32 to my setup cos it was cheap so why not... took a long time fiddling with random bios settings to even get it to boot with the new ram in, and then it kept reporting wrong mhz values on the new ones and bringing it all down even more in windows, and it was pretty unstable between boots whether it would even accept the ram at all
and the new ones were probably the closest in terms of specs that I could find and from same manufacturer also so if that doesn't work I don't know what will
(ddr4 2666 cl15)
median marsh
10y old PC with DDR4? 😲
when mixing different sticks you usually have to make some compromise of clock speed
and eventually bump the dram voltage to get it stable
brazen salmon
Yeah, was trying that. The clock speed on both types was the same, tried setting the voltage higher since the new ones supported a higher voltage, and while the old ram happily ran at that value, as soon as I put the new ones in, it stopped running at that voltage
The few times I managed to get it to boot it would report the new sticks at 2400 with old ones at 2666, and in windows it reported 2133 so it was pretty weird lol
median marsh
did you try to run two different sticks in dual channel?
i think the success rate there is even lower
so switching to singlechannel may make it at least stable
median marsh
they have quad channel on desktop cpus? Oo
median marsh
so i guess you used all black slots for e.g. the old ones and all gray slots for the new ones?
as i guess each color is one combined channel
brazen salmon
Yeah it has a coded setup so I had the old ones in the quad configuration with four, so I just slotted the new ones into the empty ones
median marsh
ok
yea, then idk other than underclocking way more
and turning off XMP and manually setting their least common values
brazen salmon
I had to bump it up to the level of the new ones in some cases or it wouldn't even boot at all
I think at this rate I'm just gonna see if I'll get lucky and find some used RAM of the same kind I already have but that's probably somewhat unlikely lol
median marsh
or sell both kits and get a new complete kit 😄
brazen salmon
Considering the problem could just be the mobo hates the new RAM I suspect I'm going to have more luck with the older kind :D
It basically never detected the new sticks properly, always showing something wrong with them, so I don't think it really understood what kind of ram it was
even trying to force the values from bios it still wouldn't
median marsh
maybe they are faulty to begin with?
brazen salmon
Hard to say, I doubt all four of them would be faulty in the exact same way
median marsh
what i would do, if i hadn't lost my patience already, would be using only the new kit and running memtest
brazen salmon
Considering I never managed to get it to boot past BIOS with all the RAM detected I'm not sure if that would have done anything
At one point it failed to detect two (1 old, 1 new) and at that point it would still boot into Windows... but as soon as I got it to detect all of them it became even more unstable :P
median marsh
send them to me, i'm gonna test them while i ship my whole gskill kit crap to RMA 😄
brazen salmon
haha :)
frank glade
Still haven't figured why my pc is shutting down / restarting, pls help.
Gpu intensive tasks, when launching some games, sometimes as soon as they load (even three times in a row), sometimes not at all, mostly it shuts down or bsod and restart.
I clean installed the gpu drivers, even plugged my monitor in the motherboard leaving the gpu empty. And sometimes the games dont cause shut downs on low quality, could this indicate the PSU being the issue?
violet spade
and did you make any recent upgrades?
frank glade
Corsair SF750 about 4 years old maybe? And a 3080 Ti
No upgrades, started quite sudden
A few months back
frank glade
yes PSU would have been my first guess
I wonder then, why the bsod? Shouldnt it be always shut downs?
median marsh
not necessarily
often PSUs have separate rails, so maybe only one rail breaks down while the mainboard+cpu stay active
so the gpu driver would crash because the GPU crashed
frank glade
Hmmm
I ran occt power test a few times with no issues, except when running that and also started 3dsmax - instant shutdown but only once
I guess I can buy a new psu
mighty patrol
I imagine same would happen with multiple benchmarks
median marsh
also capacitors degrade over time
but i feel like 750W should be enough for a 3080TI
frank glade
Also for the record, I had an UPS because we had power spikes, but it didnt work in its last days and caused my pc to lose power for a microsecond (and shutdown)
Maybe that damaged the psu
mighty patrol
I lived somewhere once that my breaker would blow every now and then sadge times 😢
frank glade
I mean it sucked, but it has been fixed for a few good months now
The building was wip and they had temp power
Always low spikes or micro shutdowns
The UPS worked most of the time
median marsh
is the UPS still connected?
frank glade
It was and I removed it recently to test, but it still happens
The SF750 has a 7 year warranty
median marsh
i mean it could be anything...
best is to have a 100% sure way to reproduce it and then test with some other PSU
timber cobalt
but i feel like 750W should be enough for a 3080TI
I run a 650W PSU with 3090 for a while without an issue (not recommended though, just sharing as an anecdotal experinence :D)
median marsh
I run a 650W PSU with 3090 for a while without an issue (not recommended though,...
some people here claim that this is impossible, well one of them left the server...
timber cobalt
Fortunately I upgraded since then, otherwise my pc would just turn into a black hole right now
Anyway I would crosscheck the PC with an other PSU just to be sure
frank glade
I guess I have to 🥲
median marsh
also, gotta leave it to corsair, the thing is apparently capable of 750W just on the 12V line, while others promote their products with the combined power
so it may be equivalent to an 850W supply of some other companies...
if it's really the PSU then it's about time to be changed because that would indicate quite a lot of degrading xD
guess you already checked that all connectors are correctly attached and not loose?
frank glade
I did, but also rebuild the pc two times, changed the case
plush turret
question. how would i best get more screens from my computer, ports currently support 4 + 1(mb) and id like 6
barren goblet
question. how would i best get more screens from my computer, ports currently su...
Adaptors, but your gonna wanna make sure your card can handle that
Just cause ya can plug it in doesn’t mean it’s gonna work
plush turret
3060 12gb
frank glade
if it's really the PSU then it's about time to be changed because that would ind...
I ran prime95, all is fine until I open something that uses the gpu at the same time, even Maya - shutdown/restart...so I guess it has to be the PSU
prime loom
Does anyone know of a piece of hardware/software that I can use to run a single monitor for 2 computers at the same time?
And be able to switch between them at will?
median marsh
KVM switch is hardware
prime loom
So I can run montior and Keyboard/Mouse for 2 machines with a click of a switch?
Ill check it out
Thanks.
median marsh
i would check some reviews tho
depending on resolution/refresh rate you need, not all of them might be suitable
guess your screen doesn't have an 2nd input for hdmi/dvi or similar?
because then i would look for some tool which can force turn off the screen, so that it switches to the next input with signal (as in my experience switching with buttons on screens is a pita)
prime loom
Im just weighing options at the moment, probably wont execute on anything.
But thanks for the heads up
hallow rune
frank glade
So in the EU as well I bet
delicate crystal
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/gaming-pcs-and-components-look-set-to-jump-in-p...
figures. Was laid off recently just when I was debating replacing my rig, and now by the time i get a new gig, prices will have shot up
barren goblet
3060 12gb
Late to replying but yeah I wouldn’t run 6 monitors off that. Unless they all 1080 then maybe. You gonna struggle
somber comet
How good is this and should i change anything?
i plan on running this system for a very very very long time (Ofc i'll upgrade the gpu/cpu every 5ish years and might even get more two 4tb NVMe drives and run them in raid but the PSU case cooler and maybe even ram might upgrade to 64gb but 32gb is good for right now will stay the same) P.S my budget was under 1.6k but i couldnt stop myself from getting a better cooler/psu
I also do plan on getting a second 1080p monitor most likely from a pawn shop or something later down the road when i can afford it
fresh fog
How good is this and should i change anything?
You could definitely benefit from another 32GB RAM for that CPU.
I'd swap out that SSD, no DRAM controller makes it a no no
Especially if you're doing C++, which you probably should be with a rig like that, you'll want that extra RAM
frigid heath
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FHk3pB
who buys high end intel cpu these days?
plush turret
many people
frigid heath
14 core has "slow cores" or something right?
plush turret
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FHk3pB
while the price of Gskill ram is appealing i wouldnt use it
frigid heath
so its not true 14 core
plush turret
i plan on running this system for a very very very long time (Ofc i'll upgrade t...
whats the use case? daily gaming? server?
somber comet
thats like my dream pc lmao
am not lol
am just young and plan on getting a summer job
frigid heath
also ipc is better on amd so u get more for less hz
somber comet
14 core has "slow cores" or something right?
its actually faster than the 7700x or something like that
somber comet
whats the use case? daily gaming? server?
Many VM's gaming and making games
plush turret
making games with unreal is going to be painfully slow with this
somber comet
I wanna make virtal gaming rigs for when i wanna play something and their pc isnt good
frigid heath
nope not really, about the same
somber comet
making games with unreal is going to be painfully slow with this
how so?
plush turret
also PCbenchmarks is nice but its not an end user test
somber comet
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i5-13600k-vs-amd-ryzen-7-7700x-and-ryzen-5-7600x-face-off
I used this
plush turret
you need good CPU speed + GPU vram/utilization
somber comet
also another huge reason for intel rather than a full AMD build is that i wanna have a fall back for encoding for parsec
frigid heath
if ur intel blows hot air in the case it might throtle ur gpu
somber comet
if parsec gets pissy with AMD i can always fall back to the iGPU
plush turret
you can volt throttle the GPU and get roughly the same speeds for substantially less heat and power usage
somber comet
you can volt throttle the GPU and get roughly the same speeds for substantially ...
i plan on doing a undervolt overclock lol
somber comet
while the price of Gskill ram is appealing i wouldnt use it
also i hear that this ram is very reliable and has the best RGB out of all the other options in this price range
somber comet
you need good CPU speed + GPU vram/utilization
got 16gb which should be enough for what i plan on doing
plush turret
would say that yes you can do unreal development on this yes it will also take several hours to build anything large
somber comet
why is that?
frigid heath
well i wouldnt get intel atm, but no idea what parsec is
somber comet
well i wouldnt get intel atm, but no idea what parsec is
its a remote desktop software
so i can connect to my pc from anywhere
i've been using it for a while and its sickkkkkk
very low latency
i dont plan on playing fast pase games while connected via parsec so its great for me
plush turret
i have a 12700k with OC 12gb 3060 thats at 60% voltage (runs at 80% efficiency and never goes over 52C) and my project takes 38 hours to render our game. downside is the game map his high detail and 16km x 16km
somber comet
also i dont have a monitor nor keyboard atm which is why i got it
somber comet
i have a 12700k with OC 12gb 3060 thats at 60% voltage (runs at 80% efficiency a...
well doesnt the 13600k have more faster p cores than the 12700k also my gpu and yours are in 2 different weight classes
plush turret
you might want this one. little more costly but the guys over at the big monitors channel suggest it: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C4Z8RFY9/
somber comet
yours is budget/entry and mine is mid range
frigid heath
13gen i5 isnt as horrible as i7 and i9, but i would still go with amd
somber comet
you might want this one. little more costly but the guys over at the big monitor...
my monitor is cheaper lmao
somber comet
13gen i5 isnt as horrible as i7 and i9, but i would still go with amd
i would too but like i said its to act as a fall back
plush turret
it is, but this one would look and feel better
somber comet
i wanna do ryzen 7000 because the LGA1700 platform is dead
frigid heath
dunno about igpu on amd, never used it
somber comet
it got killed a few months ago
somber comet
dunno about igpu on amd, never used it
AMDs Igpu kills any and all intel GPUS
its just godly
buttttttt am talking about driver/instruction set
plush turret
amd usually assigns a whole core for iGPU
somber comet
i was just looking at that lol
frigid heath
never had problems with it, if i wunna upgrade it would be a HDR but dunno prices on it atm, when i bought this there were only 2 hdr monitors or something
that is the recommended 1440p gaming setup from that site... usually a pretty good suggestion but its in dutch
somber comet
rip
frigid heath
well u can still read the total list of parts
somber comet
am pretty happy with the monitor i picked out
frigid heath
i use that site or gamernexus
somber comet
rn am streatching my budget a tonnnn so i gotta find some places to cut back on
also i think am gonna buy the parts for black friday
so thats like 100-200 off total
frigid heath
ive been a flat monitor guy myself
somber comet
am about to move so
frigid heath
ahh k 🙂
somber comet
ive been a flat monitor guy myself
i've only used laptops all my life lol
frigid heath
other than that looks like a decent monitor for the money
somber comet
am going from a 11th gen i5 1135G7
12gb of ddr4 3200mhz ram
and 411 NVMe ssd
somber comet
other than that looks like a decent monitor for the money
yup!
i've gone over this list like 78 times
frigid heath
that headset looks dope, i need a new1 myself
frigid heath
i need a new headset/ssd and extra 32gig mem
somber comet
i was debating getting a cheap aircooler like the AK620 but its just too big imo
the AIO is supposedly quieter, more efficient, ect
and onyl like ~15 bucks more
bright lodge
am not lol
am just young and plan on getting a summer job
richer than me, that's my dream pc
somber comet
lol
am only 16 so no bills to pay
i wanna get a summer job and blow every last dime on the system
bright lodge
im 14, get no money but spend nothing
somber comet
also i wanna get it at a huge discount on like black friday or something
somber comet
im 14, get no money but spend nothing
rip lol
bright lodge
better than having no money and spending everything
somber comet
my budget was 1.5k for the entire system but um. . . it is now 1.7k almost 1.8k so def gonna tone it down a bet
somber comet
better than having no money and spending everything
very true
bright lodge
my budget was 1.5k for the entire system but um. . . it is now 1.7k almost 1.8k ...
all i could really think of in decreasing price on that build is toning down ssd storage, maybe around 1tb
enough for me, but ig i dont have much on my computer
somber comet
all i could really think of in decreasing price on that build is toning down ssd...
the thing is i got 411gb right now with 2 or 3 games installed
so i need something large
i actually wanna get another 2tb ssd later down the road and run it in RAID for any important stuff like games school ect as well as get another 4tb ssd for silly games and stuff
and also like another 32gb of ram but thats like 2 years in the future
bright lodge
i use hard drive, cheaper and i dont notice much of a difference, but i never played a game on SSD so i wouldnt know
(yh i dont know much)
somber comet
damn dude
oh my sweet child
an SSD can be up to 4 times faster for like 10-20 dollars more
i totally could have gotten an 50-80 dollar 2tb ssd but i want something hella fast
bright lodge
i just got a hard drive installed with the pc from my dad a few years ago, never bothered to upgrade cos it could run gta4 and fallout new vegas, i might upgrade my pc with a 3060 or smth some time
something better then what i've got
bright lodge
ill have a look on amazon, seems amd cards tend to have more vram too
somber comet
and use that extra cash to get him an SSD
if his motherboard supports M.2 do that
if not get himmmmmm
bright lodge
if his motherboard supports M.2 do that
i got an ssd, but only just enough for windows
tried to buy a new one from a local game shop but royalmail just cancelled the order on me
somber comet
damn
bright lodge
(dont ask why a second hand game shop sells SSDs, they just do ig)
bright lodge
anyways ima work on this game im doing for a jam, see you later
somber comet
alr cya
mental timber
https://x.com/lunayian/status/1794767134024966279?s=46 Seems like Pico are coming out with a Six DOF tracker
Twitter
frank glade
but most likely the PSU
I think its some cpu instability, because it happened 4 times in a row playing roblox (!) with the gpu barely doing work, yet nothing happened after playing Senua II for 15 minutes...doesnt make any sense
strong cedar
I know i need to upgrade my cpu and RAM, but im unsure which cpu to get... would this one work:
median marsh
both should work, but i don't see them as necessary upgrade
why do you think that your CPU is an issue?
strong cedar
I was told that my cpu may not be good enough for ue5.4 stuff (not sure if the mini updates matter, but still)
median marsh
i think it wont be your main bottleneck
upgrading ram however sounds like a good idea
and probably upgrading your storage, UE5 + assets need a bunch of space
strong cedar
This for ram then?
median marsh
yea seems okay, however keep in mind that mixing sets may not always work out, so eventually you have to get rid of your old set
but 64GB total is enough for most users
strong cedar
I was thinking of replacing my current with those two
As far as storage, should i just get a fee more 1tb
median marsh
i would recommend investing in a 2TB m2 nvme
strong cedar
Done and done
frank glade
9950x coming in july
mighty cosmos
Patiently waiting for it 
grave sundial
--- Samsung 990 PRO SSD 4TB PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 Internal Solid State Hard Drive, Seq. Read Speeds Up to 7,450 MB/s for High End Computing, Gaming, and Heavy Duty Workstations, MZ-V9P4T0B ---
Any downsides to this? Any bad experiences using this for anyone here?
The prices for these have been coming down. 4TB I likes. 😍
fallen oasis
They used to have issues. I'm sure their firmware is fixed by now...
grave sundial
Yes, I can confirm that. I read about it for almost an hour to confirm a firmware fix.
This thing has a DRAM cache, right?
fallen oasis
Check the samsung website?
grave sundial
Too lazy to. Hence asking here.
opaque pond
This thing has a DRAM cache, right?
100%
rose geode
Has anyone had any luck with running unreal5 with WARP (windows advanced rasterization platform)
Moreover, how would I choose what dxgi device unreal uses?
fallen oasis
That may not be exactly the rigth channel actually...
Not sure what would be, though. I'm sure there's a rendering one somewhere maybe?
rose geode
Yeah I'm not very clear on what my question falls under.
fallen oasis
Not sure if fits into any of them except #ue5-general
And that won't get you an answer, I feel.
rose geode
welp, time to ask chatgpt!
here's a more hardware-related question; how would i change what device unreal sees as my gpu?
violet spade
here's a more hardware-related question; how would i change what device unreal s...
It probably takes whatever your pc/bios tells it is primary
fallen oasis
There's definitely ways to change that, though.
There are unreal-based games that have a gpu select.
violet spade
There are unreal-based games that have a gpu select.
wonder if they had to modify the source
wide harbor
Hello Everyone I am planning on buying a gpu
so should i go with rtx 3060 12 gb or rtx 3070 8gb
my goal is to create stunning visual effects just like the ue4 photorealism trailer
fallen oasis
vram is king
wide harbor
so sir would you suggest me to get the rtx 3060 12 gb instead of rtx 3070?
fallen oasis
For game dev, yeah.
wide harbor
For game dev, yeah.
I have other options such as rtx 2080ti 11gb
A bit costly but I'll manage
ivory lagoon
Yes, i ran out out Ram when i have Painter and UE open at the same time without doing anything crazy on card with 8GB Ram.
Better to get a card with as much Vram within your budget.
frank glade
Yes, i ran out out Ram when i have Painter and UE open at the same time without ...
i also run out at 12gb. honestly I would try to get 24 or at least 20
tepid marsh
Hey everyone! I'm planning on building a new PC and these are the parts I was considering buying. https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/v8JhcH
I'm a sound designer so for my daily job I don't really need a GPU (at all bsically) but considering I'll work with Unreal and a AA+ project I'll end up opening finished maps and levels, so a strong enough GPU is required. Any suggestions?
fallen oasis
I'd probably get a 2tb ssd and a large hdd for storage.
I'm currently running a 2tb ssd for system, 2tb ssd for unreal and a 6tb hdd for random crap.
median marsh
I'm a sound designer so for my daily job I don't really need a GPU (at all bsica...
seems good enough with that GPU, you can turn down scalability if it's really too slow
and what daekesh said
tepid marsh
I'd probably get a 2tb ssd and a large hdd for storage.
I have it from my older pc, probably considering a 2tb ssd
median marsh
still, get an 2TB as main and 2TB for assets
esspecially if you work with raw wave/pcm files
it's a huge difference over HDD
tepid marsh
for the CPU/GPU in that price range you think I can do better or these are the best I can get?
median marsh
i think the CPU might be overkill for your use cases
fallen oasis
I'm an amd fanboy when it comes to cpus, but yeah.
median marsh
you would probably do fine with a 6+6 core cpu
yea not a big fan of e/p core stuff either
tepid marsh
what's the issue with e/p core?
median marsh
if it was AMD i would have suggested a 8 core cpu
tepid marsh
i read it quickly online and people on reddit say it's mostly for storage stuff
fallen oasis
Some cores are single threaded "efficiency cores" instead of having the capabiltiy to run 2 threads.
median marsh
which is not a big deal, but they also lack some cpu instructions from what i know
fallen oasis
It can cause issues in some places. That's probably been fixed by now, though.
median marsh
also there's always the question if the schedular does an optimal job....
tepid marsh
the alternative to the 13700k what might it be?
because I saw people not recommending some CPUs only because of the price (in the US) but here in Italy the prices are pretty different
median marsh
for AMD i would say the 7700x
i think intel still didn't catch up quite yet with AMD
AMD still seems to be more energy efficient and overall offering more bangs/bucks
intel can name their castrated cores "efficiency" cores, doesn't change the fact that an 7800x with 12 real cores still has a 20W 5W lower TDP (checked the wrong AMD cpu)
tepid marsh
ok I see, what about an AMD gpu alternative?
median marsh
i'm personally more biased towards NVidia... xD
tepid marsh
what's your setup if I can ask ahahah
median marsh
if you don't need cuda for AI stuff AMD seems to be good, if the drivers work out... 😄
AMD 5950x cpu with 3060
wide harbor
Yes, i ran out out Ram when i have Painter and UE open at the same time without ...
What card u have ?
tepid marsh
if you don't need cuda for AI stuff AMD seems to be good, if the drivers work ou...
I honestly have no idea if I need it or not ahah
fallen oasis
AMD have been neglecting their gfx card development for a while.
wide harbor
And what resolution texture is recommended for someone who'll be making cinematic animation renders ?
fallen oasis
4k+?
median marsh
AMD have been neglecting their gfx card development for a while.
yea but their 7xxx series seems to be pretty good?! i don't have first hands experience
fallen oasis
Drivers 😦
tepid marsh
for AMD i would say the 7700x
the 7900x is same price of 13700k in italy, are the 2 comparable?
fallen oasis
median marsh
probably not because the 7900X would slap the 13700k 😄
grave sundial
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-13700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-7900X/...
you beat me to it. 🙂
tepid marsh
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-13700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-7900X/...
isn't userbenchmark heavily biased towards AMD?
median marsh
i think it's the wrong benchmark for those CPUs
fallen oasis
And if it is biased towards AMD then the Intel is massively better.
median marsh
if you buy a 16 core you should compare them for that workload
fallen oasis
But nobody uses 16 cores like that.
And if they do, they have better tests.
(other places to get data)
median marsh
i honestly think for a little bit of SFX stuff and casual unreal editing 8 core AMD is good enough
tepid marsh
median marsh
you'll probably never fully utilize anything above 8 cores
tepid marsh
Apparently not?
sorry, I meant heavily Intel biased
ivory lagoon
What card u have ?
4090, 3070 before that.
fallen oasis
Well it seems clear to me then. Also AMD++!
wide harbor
4090, 3070 before that.
So 3070 will make you run out of vram in unreal engine ?
What if I use 2k textures and use 4k textures only where needed
median marsh
the money you save on the cores, that you wont need, could be invested in more SSD Storage 😛
median marsh
So 3070 will make you run out of vram in unreal engine ?
What if I use 2k textur...
you should do that anyways 😛
wide harbor
you should do that anyways 😛
Still out of vram in 3070 ?
median marsh
Still out of vram in 3070 ?
depends on your projects
wide harbor
Damn
I mean 3060 does have 12gb vram but it's hell slow
ivory lagoon
It's not just textures, just having virtual shadows, Lumen and all the fancy stuff enabled, cobbles up a lot of ram already.
median marsh
and if you want to be able to eventually open blender/substance/maya/whatever while unreal is running
ivory lagoon
Before UE5 it was vastly Vram intensive.
wide harbor
It's not just textures, just having virtual shadows, Lumen and all the fancy stu...
What if I use hardware ray tracing
Tracing*
ivory lagoon
Then going to 5, the requirements increased significantly.
tepid marsh
ok thank you so much!!
wide harbor
What if I use hardware ray tracing
?
ivory lagoon
uhm, not sure.
Looking at my task manager now i am already using 9G in a really small scene.
Having both Unreal and substance painter open with simple gun with 30 layers.
I do need to add Painter will take whatever it can get. What i jsut did was move a bunch of sliders, which will prompt it to cash all the changes.
But yeah, if you Vram fills up it will start to write to your system ram, then you your drive.
Which being the slower pool of available ram in your system is not going to be fun either.
With work station. It is generally known that your system cannot be fast enough. Time is money.
So do whatever your budget allows you to get, and yes, Vram is used a lot!
wide harbor
Looking at my task manager now i am already using 9G in a really small scene.
Can I have a look at the scene?
wide harbor
Okay thanks
ivory lagoon
Character has 2k textures.
wide harbor
Ig I'll go with the 12gb 3060
ivory lagoon
Sounds like a plan.
Personally i don't need the GPU horse power, i just got a 4090 for the Vram only.
Having to wait when you are writing to your drives is slow and something i don't wantot deal with.
tepid marsh
you'll probably never fully utilize anything above 8 cores
in that case wouldn't the 13700k be better since it has 8 cores and 8 e?
median marsh
Ig I'll go with the 12gb 3060
boy do i have bad news for you 😛
i'm also running out of vram multiple times a day with 12GB 😄
median marsh
in that case wouldn't the 13700k be better since it has 8 cores and 8 e?
it's more expensive
fallen oasis
I really should do with my gfx cards. I have 44gb. 😦
tepid marsh
it's more expensive
money wise?
median marsh
Daekesh, how many cores would you suggest for the sound guy?
fallen oasis
If you're running unreal while doing that? I can't see you using more than 8 really?
Unreal doesn't really use all that many all the time.
The only time you really save any time is when you're compiling shaders or the engine.
fallen oasis
1 or 2 for random windwos shit, a few for unreal and a few for any audio shenanigans.
tepid marsh
so to be clear one last time, you would suggest the 7900x over the 13700K?
fallen oasis
I'd say so.
median marsh
you aren't going to utilize that CPU with what you do... (i would really invest the money into something else)
ivory lagoon
A man's gotta's have a big GPU.
tepid marsh
you aren't going to utilize that CPU with what you do... (i would really invest ...
well, in my DAW I had to divide my bigger projects into small subprojects becuase my (current) CPU was already at 90% after 1/4 of the project, and I know many people in audio field maxing the CPU as much as possible because of this reason
median marsh
question is if that software utilizes multiple cores or if it was capped by the single thread performance...
it's more often the later than the former, but i don't know enough about audio software to say for sure
ok, apparently ableton is able to handle up to 64 threads...
tepid marsh
I use Ableton and REAPER
median marsh
what CPU do you currently use? i would suggest to open the thread manager and checking the workload while doing whatever caused issues before
tepid marsh
I'm sorry but I'm very non-knowledgeable and I just say the few things I know
tepid marsh
what CPU do you currently use? i would suggest to open the thread manager and ch...
I7-9750H
median marsh
yeah then i may be wrong and the 7900X might be a better choice for you
wide harbor
i'm also running out of vram multiple times a day with 12GB 😄
Oh
Dayumn
median marsh
the 9750H doesn't seem to be super bad, and if you choked that with your audio stuff already, you might want to go for 16 cores 😄
wide harbor
the 9750H doesn't seem to be super bad, and if you choked that with your audio s...
How is rx 6800 XT for unreal development using ray tracing
tepid marsh
yeah then i may be wrong and the 7900X might be a better choice for you
ok, and in this case a good GPU pairing with it can still be the 4060 Ti?
Perfect tysm for the hlep and time!
rough eagle
Hi Everyone I am planning to build a PC for creating massive scenes in Unreal engine 5 which Gpu is better Rtx 40 series or Quadro series
fresh fog
Quadro is quite dead now
it's all RTX
I'd go RTX
Hell if you don't need nvidia tax I'd go for an AMD card for the cheaper VRAM
frank glade
Quadro is "RTX Ada" and still expensive and totally unneeded for games
delicate crystal
What exactly is quadro used for now, if anything?
violet spade
lol, Nvidia prly lobbied the f out of them to make an addendum
median marsh
nah it's US logic
you can't stay "leader" in AI development if you apply taxes on imports
so you only add export restrictions to the same countries that deliver you the hardware 😄
violet spade
nah it's US logic
You think Jensen lives in China?
median marsh
no
but didn't us add export restrictions for GPUs/AI chips to china?
which is why the 4090D or smth was made
violet spade
Ik but Nvidia has a massive presence in the US tho, so they’re in a position to lobby the gov directly
median marsh
why didn't they do it for the exports then?
violet spade
Maybe they did but couldn’t bribe the right official 🤷♂️
Could also be others lobbying on behalf of them like you said about AI. Google would stand to lose a lot
median marsh
idk about google at the current state of their AI 😄
feels like Gemini would extinguish your burning house with oil
frank glade
What exactly is quadro used for now, if anything?
Just as before, cad work, simulations and probably AI with the massive vram
violet spade
feels like Gemini would extinguish your burning house with oil
well… enough oil and at the right speed… it’s plausible
agile lodge
wind egret
So a 14900k with a 120mm AIO that isn't a turbofan. How bold.
full flare
So I have a question is the 14900k a bad idea to buy right now with the issues or will I be okay if I make sure my motherboard bios is set up correctly. I was just about to order one because I already bought the z790 nova but now I’m nervous to have issues with the 14900k
agile lodge
to make sure it be in intel settings
full flare
@agile lodge thanks
agile hedge
Hey i have a question regarding hardware and if i even needed an upgrade.
Currently im running unreal engine 5.4 with a 3070 and i9-11900k and 16gb ram i definetly need either 32 or 64gb of ram. But is 64 overkill? I do want to have multiple tabs open in the near future
I will also upgrade GPU and CPU in the near future but currently i cant decide between 32 and 64gb
barren goblet
Hey i have a question regarding hardware and if i even needed an upgrade.
Curren...
You can get away with 32, 64 is really nice though Exspecially if you start testing with multiple clients or want to test servers in the background as well
agile hedge
yeah im going to test multiple clients probably in a year or so, i do have the luxury of using my twins nasapc setup so i could probably do with just 32 for now. My main question probably also, whats the main reason someone would have from going from 32 to 64, i do have a 3 monitor setup and enjoy multitaskinging so are there any cases where i need to have another plugin/software open while doing UE5 stuff?
I think ill stick with 64 ram, just to avoid memory bottlenecks, however is i9-11900k and 3070 fine for now, i do plan to upgrade, but i doubt ill need a 4080 for the first few months of learning
wide harbor
Hey i have a question regarding hardware and if i even needed an upgrade.
Curren...
Hey I am planning to buy a 3070 8gb one too
Can you tell me if you ever run out of vram ?
If that is the case I might go with rtx 3060 12gb
barren goblet
yeah im going to test multiple clients probably in a year or so, i do have the l...
So it kinda depends what you do and what you want. For me I run a lot of server testing and virtualization which can eat a ton of ram fast. There are times I’ll be testing multiple clients, a dedicated server, and maybe a few docker containers at the same time and that gets heavy fast.
Especially since WSL is 4gb just being on 😂
If 64 is an option for you without sacrificing another part of your build
Get the 64
grave sundial
@thorn horizon Good afternoon, WTFPlay. 🙂 Sorry for the ping. If you remember, we had discussed HelixCore in ue5-general and you had advised me to get a separate computer to host it. I was searching cheap options today and found these three combinations:
- HP All-in-One PC Intel Pentium J5040 21.5-inch(54.6 cm) / 8GB RAM/ 512GB SSD/ Intel UHD Graphics / Win 11 Home
- Lenovo Thinkcentre M700 Desktop Mini Pc (Intel Core I3 6Th Gen, 8 GB DDR4 Ram, 256 Gb Ssd, Windows 11, Intel HD Graphics
- Dell Optiplex High Performance Desktop Computer (Intel Core i5 3470 / 16 GB RAM/ 1 TB HDD + 256 GB SSD / Windows 10 Pro / MS Office / Intel HD Graphics
Would these run Helix Core or do I need a slightly more powerful config? UE would be on the main workstation of course.
median marsh
i have a thinkcentre and for their size they are pretty good
idk tho if the specs are suitable for your needs
agile hedge
So it kinda depends what you do and what you want. For me I run a lot of server ...
Appreciate it thanks!
grave sundial
idk tho if the specs are suitable for your needs
I think I'll use it only to access and store files used in my projects. This computer will just be a version control ERP server.
delicate crystal
So had a friend of mine ask if I wanted a Dell server that they're getting rid of at his work. something like 40 cores, 512gb of ram, 24 TB of space. Would that be of any use with unreal development at all? I assume that unless I'm compiling stuff on it or storage, it's pretty much like putting a square peg into a round hole
grave sundial
If it's free, I'll take it for Helix Core / Perforce. 😄
Yeah, it's overkill for that, but hey, FREE!
median marsh
it's probably also a good space heater
delicate crystal
it's probably also a good space heater
I mean it's definitely that. Get it up to 100% CPU load and you don't need a heater for your house
delicate crystal
If it's free, I'll take it for Helix Core / Perforce. 😄
Helix Core/Perforce?
grave sundial
Helix Core/Perforce?
File Management and Version Control systems for projects.
delicate crystal
File Management and Version Control systems for projects.
ah my bad. Used to git's family of products so hadn't heard of either of those.
grave sundial
I wonder if all the files in that server would melt from the space heating. 😛
wind egret
They're skipping 8xxx? Did someone get a whiff of bulldozer from the basement?
mighty cosmos
They're skipping 8xxx? Did someone get a whiff of bulldozer from the basement?
pretty sure the 8000 series was APUs
wind egret
Zen 4 APUs. They did a similar thing with the 4000 series I suppose.