hardware

[quick grove]

Thankss

[violet spade]

https://youtube.com/shorts/2IV6dgFvV-k?si=y-vXhWBkihOH80dk 😅 this is good to know

[wind egret]

That is a heck of a blower.

[median marsh]

iirc some mainboards have protection circuits for that, anyways there's other reasons to not do it either

as said it's bad for the bearing of the fan, too

[wind egret]

I use a vacuum. Since the air flows in reverse that means it heals the computer, right?

[median marsh]

no

just block the fan when doing it, and don't do it from the site which may expose the bearing chamber

with vacuum cleaner it should be mostly fine tho but with compressed air you can push dirt in the bearing and eventually blow off bearing lubricant/oil

i disassemble the stuff like once every two years and clean it with an old tooth brush (don't use that on circuits tho, almost screwed a $500 raid controller like that...)

also dust filters can get you a looooong way, noticed quite the difference between my new case with filters compared to everything i had before (as long as you have more intake fans to get a bit of overpressure and to not suck shit through other holes)

[violet spade]

Yeah that was my main concern, I might have done that to one of my fans at some point

[violet spade]

You should have slightly positive pressure anyway so you’re not pulling in air from random holes

[thorny oak]

compressors can also blow out moisture, slight risk of shorts if boot it back up before it has time to dry/don't have a separator

[lusty maple]

Hello all, I’m using a 1080ti with a 7900x and 64gb of ddr5 for unreal, and was wondering which gpu I should upgrade too for under a grand. How is the 3090 vs 7900XT?

[winter quail]

Hi, I am building a new rig. I already have 4090, what reasoable cpu to pair with it? Does UE benefit from 3D cache? eg. Ryzen 7800x3D? Or is it just about the pure core count?
NEW

Nice benchmark, thank you. So, clearly more cores = more better 😄

I am not building super realistic AAA game, just didnt wanted to shoot myself in the foot

I just want noce smooth experience in the editor and reasonable compile time.

Now, I have a laptop witn intel 10875 and 2070S and it cooks even when it idles in an empty project

Laptops save on electricity, 14900 + 4090 is pretty much 1kw/h space heater. Ok in winter, but summer will be interesting 😄

I plan to have different performace profiles for different stuff, unterclock everything for youtube and my mostly admin job and then step it up later in the editor

I looked at becnhamrks of 13900 and 14900 it seems more or less the same.

Shady intel, probably slightly OC 13900 and call it 14900 😄

Same here, I am not buying new rig until like 2028 😄

Does fancy high speed and low CL RAM make meaningful difference? I dont care for shaving of few seconds now and there and in games it's usally like 1-3 FPS difference max

Ok, so EXPO is not a gimmic?

thought so 😄

Are there any particular HW combinations that UE disagree with? I read quite a bit about issues with 7900xtx

Might have been drivers issues I remember long thread about it stuttering randomly

crashes etc drops in performance for no reason

aaa OK, cause in the UK I can buy 4090 for £1800 and get excellenet performance or a mystery box from AMD for £1000 😄

yep that why I would love to buy AMD or even intel if they put something comparable together instead of feeding the monopoly.

I do realise that for me use of UE its "bit too much" 😄 But, I want it to do well in 2026 and ofcourse play cool games too

Also, how do I test for lower performace PCs? I thing steam stats show the average being somewhere around quad core with 3060

How would I test for it?

I can switch of cores and but not sure how to emulate 3060

So normal/real devi use jenkins with a gaming vm?

I was kind of hoping that UE will have some sort of a doodat that can tell me that I am overdoing something 😄

[winter quail]

What do you think of pcie5 nvme? Pointless?

[wild hill]

Ready to build!

[frank glade]

Is that a qube case?

[wild hill]

Case is NZXT H5 Flow

[thorny oak]

should be a nicely balanced system

[orchid iron]

Hi everyone, a bit of an unusual question:

I'm planning on getting a AMD Ryzen 9 7950X CPU with a AMD Radeon RX 7600 GPU, and I wanted to know if there was any theoretical issues with this unusual combination

The reason why, is because I'm working with CPU intensive tasks on a daily basis while also using it for non-gaming purposes

but I've looked at the usage of my current setup and under the workloads only around 600mb of VRAM is used at max

[fossil oyster]

Hey guys. Is it possible that a bios update can slow down my windows? Even my desktop icons keep blinking/flashing when i just open chrome

So a few days ago I sent my computer to the repair show, because I thought there was memory issue. They did tests and said there is no issue, but they also did cleaning and some updates like bios update

and Since then, my windows is working slower

weird things happen

like this

this was not happening before

do you mean in the startup apps tab?

I sent them a message, but I have to wait until monday...

and all this lagging is making me crazy

[fossil oyster]

hmm I can't really see anything that could be making such difference

the strange thing is that games/software run fine

but just windows operations and loading is different

and weird things happen

[wild hill]

PC build complete

[fallen oasis]

It's very white!

[wild hill]

Though idk what that ‘9E’ means in motherboard.

[fallen oasis]

Just a state code.

Probably "it's running" if you've booted it up.

[wild hill]

So nothing to worry about.

[fallen oasis]

Nope.

It'll change multiple times during boot. Maybe even repeat a few.

[wild hill]

Ok, thx. I would select a white cooler, if I got a second choice, haha.

[fallen oasis]

Maybe they don't want to melt the plugs!

[wild hill]

Yeah, it is 2 big. It is hard to plug CPU Fins cable if cooler is installed before.

[fallen oasis]

Or blow them out of the slots lol

[wild hill]

Ahh, I may replace this Fan and the back fan. They are too loud.

I’m afraid these two fans doesn’t have the ability to control RPM.

[median marsh]

36

its probably displaying a temperature

[wild hill]

But a second thought, maybe the noise is coming from the video card fans.

[median marsh]

coil whine says hi

[fallen oasis]

No, it's a motherboard status code. I have the same thing on my motherboard.

[wild hill]

Well, I will see, now just installing the system.

[median marsh]

yea but some use the 7 segment displays to show temps

could be either

[wild hill]

Inverted case

[median marsh]

9E is apparently TPM active and OS took over (so everything fine)

[wild hill]

Oh, 10+ years not using Windows, it seems I must login Microsoft’s account in case to install Win11, awesome!

Yeah, I see this TPM things at first.

Good to know. I used my Mac created the bootable USB.

Yes, the start menu is full of shit to me. I prefer the classic windows menu.

Good, will try this.

Install all driver first, it’s still 1080p

Cool

This is where Mac is better, it don’t need to install drivers.

Really they are able to do that now? Like DX update

Nop, I’m lazy

[wild hill]

Is this app good?

lower rpm

Sry, image upload failed. This app

Sure I got fan control from GitHub

Why those big companies always make shit software for good hardware.

[hardy marten]

you'll want to go to the BIOS and turn off armoury crate installations

I did

idk what the option is for but I don't want crate on my PC

[wild hill]

Why my video card's fans stop to spinning after using fan control?

[frank glade]

That software is horrendous

[fallen oasis]

Are you checking those values under load? Or just idling?

Fan control won't keep your graphics card cool, it'll keep it adequate. So if it's idle or not really bieng used, it'll turn off fans that it doesn't need to keep the temperature below a certain level.

That or it's just broken.

[median marsh]

doesn't the driver or something handle it actually? maybe there's different profiles?

[wild hill]

I created 2 curves for CPU fans, case fans and GPU fans, now it seems to work. I will keep observing.

Is it normal that motherboard get 90 degrees? Why it has 6 motherboard temperatures.

[thorny oak]

you should be able to get some info about what those sensors are measuring but 91 degrees is a little strange considering everything else appears to be at ~idle temps in your picture

and 87...?

[wild hill]

Thanks, this is from HWiNFO64, so temperature from fan control could be wrong I think.

[thorny oak]

it could indeed, I have seen that

[agile lodge]

for intel have this tool https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/resources/overclocking-xtu-guide.html

[thorny oak]

ok, this is an AMD platform and they have their own OC software. He's talking about temperature sensor reporting with Fan Control anyways.

[silent wyvern]

I didn't notice when I bought but my Kingston SSD 128GB is connected to 6GB/s connector and Samsung 500GB SSD (OS installed) to 3GB/s connector. Can I just swap this SSD connectors?

or it will corrupt Windows OS installation?

files and everything?

[fallen oasis]

It won't corrupt anything. It may just not boot.

[warm sapphire]

Is AMD Radeon graphics card good for UE5

[median marsh]

dude

radeon cards exist for at least 10 years... gotta be more specific

[warm sapphire]

AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT

[median marsh]

yea that should get you started

[dark quail]

I thought the 7950x was faster at compiling. But its even behind the 13900k

[median marsh]

that's 14900k btw...

where?

whatever, 5 seconds

no one cares

[thorny oak]

the 13900k tends to have a small lead in phoronix's complication benchmarks too but the amount of energy being consumed to generate that very small lead is pretty ridiculous

[median marsh]

12 seconds is measuring tolerance on a windows system 😄

you know it's true 😄

and it's not really a big issue, but we see 2 results where one or the other is faster

so that's pretty much worthless to compare them, pick your poison

[dark quail]

How come compiling the source is twice as fast there

[median marsh]

different engine versions, different build settings

what do i know about puget benchmark setups

[thorny oak]

for example. That said, the 13900k does have better idle consumption

[median marsh]

but worse load consumption

[thorny oak]

they juiced the hell out of those CPUs to win where they could

[median marsh]

yeah, both are pretty unlike scenarios

normal/defined workload would be the interesting thing

now take someone who doesn't manage to shutdown their computer while not using it

and suddenly the intel wins

as the 12-18h idle compensate for the higher load consumption

[dark quail]

That intel 7 node is ancient compared to to tsmc 5nn

[thorny oak]

but intel told me TSMC node naming is just marketing and that node++++ is fine?

[dark quail]

funny to remember that intel 14nm was at its introduction the most advanced node in the industry by far

[obtuse rapids]

What utility/method do I use to undervolt this damn 13900k which gets just loves to idle at 40%, which basically makes the CPU 92 all the time, even if I don't have the editor or anything major open

Yes, I remember you mentioning that way back when I got the first one

according to my task manager, signal rgb

it's possible my polling is off though actually

well, shit, my polling is off, this is accurate here, probably

this is what I am checking, but it was just at 40 - weird

You're right, I'll need to pinpoint why it is running at 40

I'm not a huge RGBer, but I have a case - signal rgb ties all the devices together, so you don't have to go into any other app -

It's really easy to set up though basically Auto magically

The presets that one matches what's on the screen - but now that I'm looking at it it's basically at 6% because I'm watching it

I don't know enough about the 'backend' stuff for how much the polling software actually costs

[fallen oasis]

Is it a fish tank?

[obtuse rapids]

My fish died because I forgot to feed it though

[thorny oak]

well, don't get any more fish

[fallen oasis]

You're a terrible person.

[obtuse rapids]

Lol, I was joking - I think I did see an image of someone who put a small fish tank in there -I imagine it would be pretty impressive to have a water-cooled setup that actually contained fish - though I doubt the thermal properties of algae and fish food would help for cooling, and you need some super Hardy fish

[fallen oasis]

The temperature fluctuation would kill teh fish on day 1.

[obtuse rapids]

There may be some sea life including fish that might be able to survive that temperature fluctuation - though you're right to point out that 99.9% of fish would be dead very soon.

I suppose someone could have a hobbyist project that hooks up the loop to an actual huge aquarium - the ambient temperature of the water would never go above anything dangerous though of course your CPU would still be bottlenecked by the surface area of your plate

[fallen oasis]

What you should do is hook up a heat pipe to your house's central heating / water boiler.

[obtuse rapids]

There is no way this will fail, standby I'm knocking the drywall down

[median marsh]

this has been actually done in some places

[wild hill]

4070ti + 5800x 64GB RAM not bad 👻👽

[fallen oasis]

A weird pop as it zooms down to the character, though.

[wild hill]

Oh, it seems the video lose a lot of quality when upload to here.

[normal cairn]

Update: some how, at some point in time, the pump header on my motherboard got set in the bios to monitor "System" temp instead of "CPU" temp. 🥲

So the reason it was overheating is because the pump just seemingly never ran... how that was only problem a startup and at no other point ever, no idea. The only time I ever witnessed the CPU go above 40C was during a stress test or start up.

[violet spade]

What’s the story with the usb-C heads tho?

[violet spade]

So what you’re saying is, stick with air cooling because water cooling has all sorts of problems 🙃

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-funny-animals-insomnia-cat-tired-crazy-cute-gif-15027550

[scenic schooner]

New MacBook Pro seems to be the first Apple product with hardware ray tracing.

This is a big step towards decent unreal performance on Mac yea?

[thorny oak]

raytracing =/= UE performance 😃

I'd say it will probably be somewhere between okay and pretty good for UE in general but a bullet point of 'raytracing hardware' doesn't mean much without 3rd party testing in the mix

it's definitely a 'nice to have' addition though, even if very limited in terms of performance.

[normal cairn]

Their newest iphone gpu's have hardware ray tracing iirc. and that was at least a month ago. Did their phones get hardware ray tracing before their pcs? lol

[thorny oak]

that's true actually. Internally they were in parallel I'd guess but from the customer-facing perspective it's kind of funny

[obtuse rapids]

I've replaced the majority of my charging cables with a magnetic ones - each cable comes with a few micro and type c heads - basically you put the heads in your devices and leave them there and then you can use a single cable to charge everything and it reduces wear on the port, and is nice because they're magnetic. I put the extra heads there because they stick to it although normally I have them lined up better, the only drawback is that they are super easy to lose

[violet spade]

Ah interesting.

[obtuse rapids]

Another drawback though is if you need to charge fast, (45 Watts or more, the ultra fast charging type) I don't think it works. And a few times I plugged something in that was about to die only to realize later that the magnetic cable had been knocked loose so it wasn't charged. And if I need it to charge super fast I have to pull the adapter out, which of course I then lose. Still I find them very convenient, many of them have LEDs in the ends so you can find them in the dark. But actually I'm surprised that someone like apple hasn't tried to make them and charge a buttload for them.

[scenic schooner]

Ty for the info kind sir

[limpid cypress]

Is anybody here using the rx 6700 xt? How does it fare in UE5?

[thorny oak]

used similar enough RDNA2 cards, it's a solid option

[willow field]

rx 6600 works good, i assume 6700 is better

[limpid cypress]

I am upgrading from GTX1070, currently considering buying an RX 6700 XT or RTX 3060 TI

Do they perform similarly?

[limpid cypress]

Any driver issues at all?

[thorny oak]

6700xt is a bit more powerful in terms of raster. Personally I would take a 6700xt over a 3060ti without any question but realistically there isn't a huge gulf between them. vram is nice to have in UE.

[limpid cypress]

I read some sceptical posts on the subreddit on this topic

[willow field]

havent got any, it performs well in custom and sample projects

[thorny oak]

ignore it, it's nonsense from people who don't know what they're talking about

[limpid cypress]

Thank you for explaining, RX 6700 XT it is then, I'm using 1440p as well so it's a better card for gaming

[thorny oak]

yeah, even though resolution itself doesn't directly equate to a significant increase in vram usage, it is often tied to other aspects that do eat up more vram. On the UE editor side, you're facing inherently pre-optimized situations so extra vram is even more useful.

[wild hill]

Guys, I have uninstalled Asus AC software since everyone diss it Thus, what is the alternative software to control motherboard light then?

[thorny oak]

i think a lot of people use openrgb

though I honestly don't know anything about it so take that with a grain of salt

[wild hill]

Cool, would have a taste.

[fresh fog]

Corsair iCue gang.

Please save me. I'm in too deep with it

I envy macro buttons :(

I've got a strafe MK2 and it's not fun

I've been considering getting a smaller 65% keyboard with a separate macro pad tbh.

Macro buttons are too useful, but my keyboard is too bulky as is

Precisely

Pay more for less keys 🧠

[fallen oasis]

Logitech k120

[median marsh]

no, k280e

[mighty cosmos]

Gmmk2 96%
Been using it for a while and love it, it's almost the size of a 65% one but has all the standard keys and numpad

[fallen oasis]

So what you're saying is, the keys are tiny?

[mighty cosmos]

A tiny bit smaller, took me like 2 days to get used to it and now can't imagine going back to anything else 😅

[fallen oasis]

I'm imaginging they are 65% of the standard size.

Perhahs 80% max if the layout is optimised like a laptop.

[mighty cosmos]

Keys are not that much smaller, its more that the layout is wasting less space, keys are closer together where on other keyboards they are spaced out more

The keys themselves are only a tiny bit smaller

[fallen oasis]

Ascend, wtf

[wild hill]

Anyone know how to set this for openRGB? I have no idea what size should I provide.

Oh it works, just select one preset like rainbow

[torn gulch]

is 5600 vs 5200 ram worth it ? thanks !

[torn gulch]

is this worth it in your opinion ?

yeah i know

but it's compared to the 12 gb of the 4080

i can't have a desktop sadly

[wild hill]

I just heard there would be a 4080 super?

[torn gulch]

ah really?

and do you think the laptop wil be hotter with a 4090 ? or it has nothing to do with it ?

ahha

i mean ive been using laptops for years they are pretty nice

but i get your point indeed

and like the cases where you will actually depend on the 4090 are rare

[thorny oak]

a laptop '4090' is more akin to a power-constrained desktop 4080 with slower memory

the laptop 4080 is more balanced, the '4090' is still under similar power constraints and can't be fed properly to give more than a marginal uplift in performance. The extra vram is nice but absolutely not worth the price.

[torn gulch]

ok thanks a lot for your commentary that's perfect i'll get the 4080 version then

@thorny oak

and for the ram would you recommend getting it from them or buying it and then installing it? it's 180 eu more not 200 actually

oh you are right
I would need to swap the whole thing

Processeur Intel® Core™ i9-13900HX 13e génération

(cœurs E jusqu’à 3,90 GHz, cœurs P jusqu’à 5,40 GHz)

pardon my french

ahhah

wow

yeah i was thinking this too https://www.amazon.fr/Kingston-Mémoire-dordinateur-Portable-KF556S40IBK2-64/dp/B0BRTJT5P2 and it's 250 for 64 gb

so i'd better take the 16gb version and sell it and replace it with 64

yesh np

i mean selling it back is the hard one but i might be lucky

and i'll get 2 x 2TB instead of this

it's 80 eu each

and then hopefully i'll be goodtogo

yeah i was thinking about it especially that i really love what they are doing

but i don't know about the graphics card...

i don't know much about AMD

ah ok great i wasn't sure about that

like games and such ?

thanks

oh i see yeah when you think about it lumen as well is pretty impressive

yeah that's great

don''t understand why this is 280 eu and not 100..

specs are almost similar and so is the price

yeah definetly that's insane

and i want to support them

ahha definelty

yeah i don't mind

but i neeed to wait for Q2 2024 though :/

ahha no idea

ahahhah you are actually pretty bon en français

and the fact that the memory size on the GPU is only 8GB is not an issue for you?

yeah that's true

but the portability oh lord

haha

hahhaha

yeah but for what i use them for they are pretty good

yeah i've looked into that as well but yeah when i go to rural poland for a month no fiber :/

that's my bad i guess

and even in my house i keep working in every room so i'm stuck with a laptop

yeah maybe but i'm sometimes doing render and pretty crowded scenes so i'm afraid it would be underpowered

yeah but right now i have a 4080 laptop and it works pretty well except the power adapter is a nightmare and the fans go insane when i do something complex

but overall it's a good experience

i'll just send it pack (it's an OMEN HP) and i want to get a lenovo

hahah

yeah awful omg

aahhah i swear

i mean the portability just tops everything else and since i didn't have a desktop since 2008 i just don't remember how it was

[plush turret]

sobs in elitebook

[plush turret]

tbh i will be happy once i get away from the OEM crap

[torn gulch]

whats oem

[wind egret]

an acronym

[torn gulch]

wow

can't install more than 32 it seems ..

[fallen oasis]

32gb max lol

[torn gulch]

ok i guess that's wrong https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Gaming-Laptops/Legion-Pro-7-16IRX8-upgrade/m-p/5247825#:~:text=Welcome to Lenovo Community Forums,compatible parts for your device.

[violet spade]

I got a question about page file size

online resources say Microsoft recommends the page file should be 1.5x (and no more than 4x) the size of your RAM, so at 48GB RAM I should have 1024 x 48 x 1.5 = 73,728MB

but the defaults in my settings are like 7GB, saying that's the recommended value

am I missing something here, what should it actually be?

[violet spade]

I usually do, I just noticed God of War was warning me about page file being insufficient and the advice online basically says make it 72GB, but automatic is 7GB 🙂

I thought it might, curious why the game thought it’s not good enough

[hardy marten]

sometimes when I have a power outage (randomly had one today after months), my PC doesn't turn on unless I reset CMOS

surely there's got to be something else I can do?

I do have an UPS

but I'm pretty sure its capacity is lower than the PSU's

[opaque pond]

Finally got a new motherboard

[median marsh]

i'm pretty sure your pc doesn't drain whatever your PSU is rated all the time

[normal cairn]

are you using it..? and if you don't want to/can't, at least get a surge protector like Laura said. You're beyond slightly bonkers to not use one >.>

[fallen oasis]

Do PSUs even have "capacity"? Beyond what's needed to level out the supplied power.

[median marsh]

they have a limited current that they can generate

[fallen oasis]

Maybe I'm being a bit too literal with capacity vs capacitance.

[median marsh]

so you can overload them

[fallen oasis]

But the point is, if you have a UPS, it's not meant to power your pc for 17 hours during a blackout.

[median marsh]

that's not the issue here, the issue is that if it can only output 300W and you drain 450W it is overloading the UPS, time isn't the factor here (even tho it's W)

which is why it's often written as 300VA instead of 300W

[fallen oasis]

Would that even kill your computer?

[median marsh]

doubt

a good UPS probably has overload protection and just shuts off

[fallen oasis]

I'd have thought even if overloaded a little they'll at least give you a little time to shut the pc down when the lights go out.

They can probably even be configured to do it automatically...

[median marsh]

thing is that they CANT give you more power

due to a combination of how much they can drain from the battery and how the power generating circuit is designed

[fallen oasis]

I'm saying that your pc won't hardlock.

Not that it can supply 1000W when rated for 200.

[median marsh]

but if you drain 500W on a power outage it has no way to help you actually

the moment it has to generate 500W and only gives you 200W your pc probably already crashed

[fallen oasis]

Fair enough

[median marsh]

theres no time window where it could tell your pc to throttle power usage/shutdown

[plush turret]

which is better? 3060 12gb or 4060 16gb

[opaque pond]

everything is set up

and works fine

i am so tired

[wind egret]

Performance:
4060 8GB < 3060 12GB < 4060 Ti 8GB = 4060 Ti 16GB

[plush turret]

for gamer user playing RDR2 and such games

[wind egret]

You could even hit a wall at 12GB with enough new raytracing features

[median marsh]

i've played RDR2 on a 3060 just fine on 1440p

tho i'm not someone counting frames, it's fine for me as long as it runs smooth without stutters

[plush turret]

i mean im used to Vista level quality so really long as it plays well, graphics are nice, but playing it well while being able to see more than pixel graphics

top 4 games i play gpu wise:
RDR2
GTAV
PUBG
Elite Dangerous

long as i can play those without being limited to laptop MX250 level

[wind egret]

In terms of price, a 3060 is the most sublime nvidia GPU on offer.

[plush turret]

debate is essentially between these 2:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0985X2YR1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CC3M3RXY

which brand is better?

at that point price is about the same

the EVGA version is $470

is MSI good? my MB is MSI

theres no way i could swing $470

not when others are $300

MSI and GIGABYTE are both around the same price as the asus

i mean i do want to learn unreal with it, but being honest im most likely going to spend more time gaming on it

unless theres something really wrong with it id probably just go with the MSI

Ive had a few (admittedly older) AMD cards and had issues with them in the long run

MSI brand 3060

no, thats a bit too pricy.

any difference between 3 fan and 2 fan 3060's aside from general size and better cooling?

2 would be louder?

[median marsh]

depends on the card

2 good fans can be quieter than 3 shitty fans

[plush turret]

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-RTX-3060-12G/dp/B08WPRMVWB
https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-REV2-0-WINDFORCE-GV-N3060GAMING-OC-12GD/dp/B0971BG25M/

price is about the same and ive never had issues with GIGABYTE

im also assuming using metal vs wood would be better for a GPU support thingy. because i could make a very pretty wood holder thing

i mean i can treat the wood (which is going to be denser than mesquite) with High temp varnish and stain

plus i have so much wood i could probably make half the computer out of it

[normal cairn]

wooden pc case when

[median marsh]

when EMI radiation issues aren't a thing anymore (so never)

actually could work if they put a metal mesh between the wood layers

but like that it's kind of calling for memory errors etc. 😄 (looks great tho)

[normal cairn]

hey I have that RAM

[plush turret]

it would look amazing

walnut is meh.

[normal cairn]

That case got crazy airflow tho

[plush turret]

Spalded maple is the best

i might make spalded maple polyurethane coated panels for my computer case

tell me that wouldnt be pretty

[wind egret]

It looks like rotting driftwood.

[plush turret]

its also very easy to carve, and is regularly used for guitars

wood thats properly treated and cared for is pretty dust free

but yeah might just make a set of panels to attach onto my desktop like accents

it may just be the farmer in me that loves a pretty wood creation

[normal cairn]

wood is pretty

[plush turret]

it is, and black walnut and spalted maple are the best IMO

[normal cairn]

Here's the cutting board my dad made me a few years ago

[plush turret]

ohhh nice

[normal cairn]

I might have a picture of it as not-worn-out somewhere

Quite a difference compared to ~3 years ago 😅

[plush turret]

yeah

i have a Hand made spalted maple, black walnut, and bois d arc wood chess set

(the image refuses to send)

[normal cairn]

D:

I was about to say, send pic

I had to re-read that a couple times. I thought you meant bugs. like 🐛 and was very confused

[plush turret]

might accent my pretty meh (visually) desktop case

probably gonna do that then report results

this is what i bought, as long as i dont mess with the airflow intakes i should be fine https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08C7BGV3D/

[normal cairn]

Tis very nice

[plush turret]

yeah so imagine a desktop with that for exterior highlights

[plush turret]

im assuming a nice GPU but crap monitor defeats the point of a nice GPU?

and by crap i mean 720p 75hz

[mighty cosmos]

Well a fast GPU can still go brrr even if the monitor is bad
Tho if you are going for a mid-higher end GPU would highly recommend investing in a good 1440p and high refresh rate monitor

[plush turret]

12gb 3060

my idea for a good monitor: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B94TKRVP

top 4 games i play gpu wise:
RDR2
GTAV
PUBG
Elite Dangerous

[median marsh]

going 4k with a 3060 sounds like a not so good idea

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah I wouldn't go for 4k, that card is gonna struggle with 4k
1080p or maybe 1440p is the highest I would go

[plush turret]

yeah been thinking that

what about this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09J5J2457

i have a rather large desk so the monitor size is likely to go towards big

just needs to be compatible with my VESA mount

does it have batteries?

i just want a 24-32 inch monitor under 14 pounds

my 42 inch smart TV is only like 18 pounds, how is this 22

[fresh fog]

pretty sure thats going to be the in box weight, don't forget

[mighty cosmos]

1440p 165Hz sound fine, just keep in mind your performance in games is gonna be worse with a 1440p monitor compared to 1080p

[plush turret]

true

curved vs flat? im used to VGA monitors so this is all new to me

[median marsh]

that relates to the refurbished thing

just check the weight of the screen in the technical details/manual -_-

[plush turret]

which is better with a 3060? freesync or G-sync

idk any of this and my home wifi takes a full minute to load the average web page

[mighty cosmos]

Even tho my monitor supports I don't use either

introduces latency, only really useful when you are getting half or less of your max refresh rate anyways

[plush turret]

is this a decent one? I dont know if im missing anything: https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Free-Sync-Adjustable-Capability-LS32AG320NNXZA

its the size id like, reasonable budget. and seems to be the right weight

but am i missing something because i am so new to this i have no clue

[median marsh]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/error/174._TTD_.jpg

at least the error page was worth the visit

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[plush turret]

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Free-Sync-Adjustable-Capability-LS32AG320NNXZA/dp/B09Q7P3QGC/

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/loop-infinite-qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm-gif-18956258

[plush turret]

what is a good company

[fresh fog]

asus monitors are pretty good. i also quite rate AOC

[median marsh]

on my screen they all look like they generate fantastic colors

[fresh fog]

that would be really useful, but alas

[plush turret]

im looking for budget 1080p gaming monitors

[fallen oasis]

"budget" and "gaming" don't really go together.

[median marsh]

depends on the games

[plush turret]

these

also keep in mind for the last 20 years nothing hardware wise has been recent

[mighty cosmos]

My go to brands for monitors so far have been LG, Acer, Asus, AOC

[plush turret]

my best rig was a laptop with a MX250

[fresh fog]

i do quite enjoy my aoc 24g2u/bk or the 24g2spu

1080p, 24 inch, IPS

the blacks aren't horrific either

[plush turret]

my #1 question is really "will i notice the difference from my 480p/720p monitors

[mighty cosmos]

yes

jump from 1080 - 1440p is massive

while 1440p to 4k only really noticeable with massive monitor sizes, around 27" it's the diminishing returns range for 4k, makes more sense for larger sizes

[plush turret]

yeah, i think i want a 32

for me $250 is budget

and unless the monitor is noticably terrible compared to my current 720p 75hz one i have no issues

[mighty cosmos]

you can get a nice 1080p-1440p 120-144hz IPS monitor for that probably

[mighty cosmos]

moving to high refresh rate is gonna be a gigantic difference, not to mention higher resolution as well 😆

[plush turret]

yeah 1080p 32 inch with the 3060 12gb to power it... should look far better than my MX250 on a laptop screen

right?

[mighty cosmos]

yeah, it's on you to decide tho if you wanna go 1080p or 1440p
Can't give much advice there

[plush turret]

i think im going 1080p just because its less strain on the GPU

[mighty cosmos]

that's true

[plush turret]

good, i think im gonna go with the G3, regardless of samsungs support system it has really good reviews

and it cut another $300 off my final bill

so epic, i have everything i want

im assuming 4 pin fans are speed/temp adjustable?

i know you need 2 pins for circuit, idk what the other 2 are for

what power connector is this?

on the GPU

im assuming its something standard and i wont need a cable

[fallen oasis]

Yes. Standard power connector.

[plush turret]

ok good

[fallen oasis]

There's a chance you have a psu from the 90s and it doesn't have a suitable connector.

The old ones were 6 pin, not 8. They still come with 6/8 pin separatable plugs.

[plush turret]

im double checking everything, because my family said yes to funding me finishing my rig for birthday/christmas combined and i want to be sure when i tell them how much i dont have some $10-50 addon bit that makes me wait a month or so for my disability check to pay for whatevers missing just to power everything on

PSU is a Corsair RM1000E

while i would never get them to buy anything bigger GPU wise i want to make sure power supply isnt the bottleneck

[fallen oasis]

I checked. It's fine.

[plush turret]

good

[mighty cosmos]

also Corsair makes some of the best PSUs

[plush turret]

yeah and my tower is corsair so it should fit

aside from being high (i like playing games like minecraft and space engineers) is there any issue with the RAM https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BF5XMMC9/

I also have no real possibility of complete replacement of the whole computer for probably another 5 years

i think i finally have everything i want

[plush turret]

is there a box or something that can make an SSD compatible with older style rigs as a boot drive?

[frank glade]

There are adapters to fit m2 drives in a 2.5 enclosure to use as sata drives

[quick grove]

Hi guys. So like u guys said, should buy Ryzen 5 7600x but for the motherboard, is it recommended to have the SSD slot?

[fresh fog]

I'm assuming you mean an m.2 slot

In which case you'd be hard pressed to find a board without one l, most have at least 1

But it depends. Are you paying more for one. Are you going to use it?

[cedar gale]

So there is this laptop, do you think it's enough to run UE5 my budget is limited?
HP OMEN 16 INTEL I7 12700H 16GB DDR5 1TB SSD RTX3060-6GB 16.1 FHD 144HZ RGB WIN11HOME BLACK EX DISPLAY

[violet spade]

If your budget is indeed limited, maybe you should be buying a PC instead? I imagine you could get 1.5-2x the specs you listed there

[obtuse rapids]

Hey Laura - this is basically what you did to undervolt 13900 k right?

how is this ?

wait I can do better

lol

wouldn't offset voltage be the same thing, because it's pulling 0.05000 from being applied to the core voltage in adaptive mode?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=QV2x8FzNP1k&list=PLyQ_eV_9oDulTh3-SOgP3ZvD4ulirYiCG&index=87&t=71s&ab_channel=TheProvokedPrawn this is the video I was referencing but I'll take whatever source you have instead, if you have one

yes, this last part is what I am going for

[agile lodge]

there is even the tool called Intel XTU

[median marsh]

was probably cause your memory didn't like the low voltage on high memory clock speed!?

[obtuse rapids]

just set it up but I'm not sure using it is the best way for undervolt/underclocking

[median marsh]

jedec my ass with 3rd party memory :>

samsung, sk hynx, crucial/micron

[obtuse rapids]

your brain is zero party memory

[agile lodge]

it have that ai tool on it

[obtuse rapids]

i feel like they just put "ai" in front of the word tool to make it sound better

I'm building some ikea furniture today so I need to get my ai philips head screwdriver

what about Hynix ECC?

yes it's one of the ws680 boards

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqqzcAAH3OQ

[obtuse rapids]

remember when I had issues, it was determined that the actual memory controller on the CPU, that super rare thing that no one has ever seen happen, happened to me, because, like my mother always said, I am special

but at the time, I didn't know that, so I was worried about memory corruption and prioritized on stability over all things

intel actually gave me my money back

I didn't know they actually did that

[opaque pond]

With the new motherboard ue5 stuff works better

Idk why

[obtuse rapids]

I was going to try to set the settings live using XTU then once I was satisfied, put those same settings in bios but apparantely XTU is going to be a dick

hmmm, guess I need to go there ]

[median marsh]

idk why you do this to yourself in the first place, just leave it as it is?!

[obtuse rapids]

because my room is hot AF and I'm tired of sweating my ass off at night

[median marsh]

turn off the pc at night maybe!?

[obtuse rapids]

it's apples to orangutans

[obtuse rapids]

I mean when I'm working at night lolk

[median marsh]

remove all the led crap etc. they also emmit heat while serving pretty much 0 purpose

same for the extra lcd

[opaque pond]

Is that normal?

[obtuse rapids]

wat

[agile lodge]

did you know that intel XTU works on laptops too

[median marsh]

that's the origin of it

laptops had to deal with powerlimits for decades

[plush turret]

is there an AMD program that can give me more control of my laptop CPU usage?

task manager is well and good but its not really that effective at lowering the heat output of this laptop

my office is a good 5-8 degrees warmer than any other room in the house

[mighty cosmos]

You are a lucky one if it's "only" 5-8 degrees 😆

[plush turret]

given its from a laptop in a 12 x 14 foot room

[obtuse rapids]

Anyone know a good resource for navigating these bios menus? the WS 680 board I have has one of those UEFI bios that looks like a 20 year old bios - and so far I can't find an example of someone undervolting/underclocking using that bios

[opaque pond]

KB

[obtuse rapids]

pardon?

[opaque pond]

Keyboard

[obtuse rapids]

That's lol, not helpful

[plush turret]

Our house was custom built by a retiree, every room is huge, but there aren't a lot of them. 3bed 2 bath 2,000 square foot house with only a large kitchen and living room + tiny pantry as the other rooms in the house

[violet spade]

And I make sure to tell everyone

[obtuse rapids]

freedom units only please

[violet spade]

I think it’s if you put one foot in front of the other, the distance each step takes

So if you have small feet, congrats you have a unique measurement

[median marsh]

guys a fair warning... dont look for funny feet gifs

[violet spade]

Lol!

[plush turret]

185 square meter house

[violet spade]

BenGPT.exe has encountered a fatal error

[median marsh]

awwwkay

laura have you seen the most recent unreal humble bundle? (it's pretty good imho)

[plush turret]

Its also really well insulated so if it generates heat it stays in

I had no clue humble did unreal stuff

[obtuse rapids]

Should I just slightly undervolt every voltage that has an offset, besides memory controller? There's System Agent, Cache SVID, Actual VRM Core Voltage, etc

There ...appear to be ...numerous choices here

[violet spade]

Sometimes the best choice is to let the system do its thing

[plush turret]

So my laptop in like an hour heats up 38 cubic meters by 2-6C

[obtuse rapids]

Note sure about the Current Long Duration and time window and all that

Bro it is Hot AF and everything I've read about this chip is a slight tweak will help ambient temps considerably

It feels like I'm at work and we haven't put out the fire

My concern is that it just will go to 85C and sit there

mine is a custom loop with a 360 RAD, it shouldn't be this damn hot

and even on the other board it was just as hot

[violet spade]

Voluntary thermal throttling? Por que?

[obtuse rapids]

that doesn't worry me I

[violet spade]

I was gonna say, if you have a heat problem, get a better case with better airflow. 4000D is nice and cheap

[obtuse rapids]

this speedstep and speed shift some people have disabled

[violet spade]

And also that fields don’t catch fire in winter

[obtuse rapids]

I'm going to ask guys this question at work and they will be, "Wtf are you talking about" they are firefighters not physicists

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/firefighter-gif-20292209

[obtuse rapids]

lol wth is that

[violet spade]

“Firefighting“

[normal cairn]

i love that clip

[obtuse rapids]

I've wrangled a loose hose before, scary AF

where is this power limit setting supposed to be ?

Am I reading this wrong look at current short duration package power limit - I just reloaded everything from defaults and that's what it says, I'm pretty sure that's close to the wattage of a small star

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/intel-dead-inside-logo-gif-16821712

[obtuse rapids]

like the power supply lol JFC why would they put that there

[median marsh]

4kW aint that much 😛

[fallen oasis]

More than my power sockets can handle.

[median marsh]

they probably reserved 12bit for that power limit

that's how you get 4095

[obtuse rapids]

I just wish I could find someone who already did this, I feel like I'm rediscovering the wheel - my bios isn't that uncommon

[median marsh]

xD

do you have Laura on ignore or wtf?

[normal cairn]

sold There was no cat. I've been deceived. There is a cat. All is right with the world.

[obtuse rapids]

these?

When I put 200 in, it didn't seem to boot up correctly and I cleared cmos, it just kept restarting - I'll try one more time to confirm

yes, anytime I try something in a different direction I load defaults just to be on the safe side

I figured out what I was doing wrong - I wasn't believing in myself, as soon as I did, it booted fine

[median marsh]

yea, it's mandatory for a computer to boot that the user believes

[obtuse rapids]

they can sense fear

It does seem to be running 10 degrees cooler - who would have thought that limiting the amount of power a chip could draw would limit the amount of heat it can produce

JFC, I'm running Cinebench and it hasn't crested 74C - before it would immediately shoot up to 95

[plush turret]

i have one and i like it, and im building some cool wood accents for it and keeping the templates in case i want to make more for friends

[plush turret]

weak ass power sockets, the idiot (or genius) who built this house put 480v rated lines to every outlet then had the breakers limit amp and voltage draw

[fallen oasis]

The UK standard ones are 240v, 13amp, so a limit of 3120W

[violet spade]

We run on 110V here

[plush turret]

the oven had almost 1kv rated line

[fallen oasis]

Sounds restaurant grade.

[violet spade]

If your PC used that much power you wouldn’t be able to afford your electrical bill

[median marsh]

oven's are often connected on all 3 phases

[plush turret]

all the garage lines are 20A and the floors are 220v 30A

[median marsh]

i think that wouldn't even be allowed here

[plush turret]

US standard is 15A 110v

correction, US standard is 10A but the same idiot put 15a breakers on anything that wasnt a dedicated feed

both washer AND dryer each have a dedicated 30A breaker, and my office has 2 20A breakers to the room outlets (half the room each) and a 15A to the ceiling fan

[fallen oasis]

L 2 240v tbh!

[median marsh]

it's a miracle how US households run 20 ACs and 10 fridges on those lines

[plush turret]

our AC unit has 2 parts and both parts have a dedicated 30A breaker

[violet spade]

20 ACs and 10x fridges? what palace is this?

oh you mean like the whole grid? 😄

[median marsh]

no, one household (i dont watch too much US movies, naaaaah)

[violet spade]

seems excessive even for a Kardashian

[plush turret]

nah thats Mr Burns"s house

i mean all joking aside, apart from a foundation issue, this house is well built

but the soil here just SUCKS

[obtuse rapids]

Good stuff so far but this power limit can't damage anything right? seems stable enough but figured I'd check, I'm assujming worse case I limit it too much it just runs slow, but even that require it to be very aggressive as a limit

[mighty cosmos]

yeah you can't damage anything by limiting its power, undervolting or underclocking in general

[primal matrix]

is there a good prebuilt pc for unreal? I literally can't build a pc

[fallen oasis]

I don't think you'll find a good exact prebuilt match, but any good gaming PC should do.

It will likely be light on RAM, though.

You'll want at least a 2gb ssd, 32-64gb of ram, 12-16gb of video ram and a high spec cpu.

[frank glade]

ofc, but $$$ https://boxx.com/systems/workstations/s-class

[primal matrix]

good heavens

[frank glade]

https://bestware.com/de/desktop-pcs/schenker-desktop-pcs/schenker-compact

[primal matrix]

wir nutzen cookies\

[frank glade]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/workstations/core/z690-d5-m/

[primal matrix]

thanks for the help tho

[fallen oasis]

Damn,. I should go into teh pc building business.

These guys make quite hte profit!

[primal matrix]

@fallen oasiswould a 3050 run ue5

[fallen oasis]

Sure.

A lot of things will run UE5.

[plush turret]

12700KF doesnt have built in graphics right?

[violet spade]

Is that mesh or are we showcasing zero airflow?

Also micro-ATX feels very generic Best Buy

[frank glade]

we're showcasing zero noise 😅

[violet spade]

Eh, low noise usually means very little airflow, I used to have a case with bad airflow and my gpu was running 85C under load, it was not pretty

I stand by Corsair 4000D being best in all aspects. Good airflow, decent design, decent noise insulation and very cheap

[frank glade]

it's a big case though

I'm all for mitx, everything you need, nothing you don't

[violet spade]

I guess if you never want to upgrade your gfx card, you don’t need it

[frank glade]

mitx cases nowadays can fit most components

I had a NH d15 in my previous case + 320mm gpu

it's not really a problem

[fallen oasis]

Either the K or F means no graphics, yeah.

I think the K?

[plush turret]

f

but it has BOTH didnt know they made them that way

cause the K says "integrated graphics"

i primarily dont want this rig to be un-usable if the GPU fails

[frank glade]

also you can run monitors off the igpu, and only keep your main one on the gpu

[plush turret]

yeah though more than 2 id need an HDMI to VGA adapter and idk how well 6:4 ratio works these days

my 3rd Monitor is a CRT that WILL NOT DIE

[plush turret]

Its great for retro gaming but the adaptors needed....

[devout pendant]

is it normal for a phone to stop receiving android system updates after like less than 2 years? is this a bad thing?

[violet spade]

it's how they get you to buy a new one

altho 2 years is kinda short for planned obsolence

[plush turret]

isnt apples like 3-4 years?

like they said so at one point on their website

[violet spade]

Prly longer than that

I’ve been having some issues last few days where my pc slows down to an absolute crawl, but all temps look fine and everything looks normal under task manager performance

Only restart fixes it

I tried stress testing my gpu with Haven, now testing my cpu but idk wtf

[median marsh]

does clockspeed also look fine or is it maybe underclocking to hold temps?

also check memory usage, if it's swapping to disk it can get awful slow depending on what you try to do

[violet spade]

Mem usage was holding steady at like 25%

I’ll have to check the clock speed

Really wish there was something you can run in the bkg that logs all of these parameters

Like I can kinda do it actively but having to wait for that stuff to load while the system is crawling is brutal

[violet spade]

I’m gonna do a longer cpu stress test and a memory stress test with XTU and use its logging feature for a bit. I’ll have to figure out the GPU logging, I do have Argus so that might do it

[minor veldt]

Depends very much on the manufacturer on the phone. Some provide updates for longer than than.

[median marsh]

4090 prices gone from 1650euro to 2100euro.... can't wait for the 20% black friday discounts 😄

[mighty cosmos]

You are lucky it was 1650 euros at all 😂

Was like 2050-2200 euros from day one here

[median marsh]

no, because i'm still using the 3060 😄

and crashing it like once a day with out of video memory errors

which is why i know the 4090 prices

every time it crashes i check them 😄

[violet spade]

So they’re now more expensive than when they launched or what

Is the 90 ltd edition?

[plush turret]

i know founders editions when you find them are $2,000 USD

sometimes less sometimes more

PNY regularly sells a stock 4090 for $1600

[violet spade]

Bastards

[violet spade]

You mean like my patronage?

Yeah, I usually wait until 2 generations later before I buy a new gfx card

People will be dropping 5 grand on the 60 series when I finally get a 40’

Not unless you’re playing competitive FPS I think, I feel no diff from 120 to 144

Haven’t tried 160 tho tbh so I can’t speak to that

[fresh fog]

also can't feel a diff, got a 144 and 165hz monitor next to each other.

[agile lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-thank-you-for-your-patronage-thanks-gif-14167419

[violet spade]

This is starting to feel like a trap 🪤

Damn it Laura, stop conducting experiments on us average folk 😀

[plush turret]

if were talking monitor rates, i have no say because everything i use is LCD

or older

tbh my first "gaming" rig was a vista in 2007 with 2gb ram and some pentium

when minecraft has issues playing on a rig that tells you something

[fresh fog]

No, other than a difference of 21hz in the monitor settings :P

[real crane]

4050 laptop good enough for unreal engine 5?

[real crane]

I’m not sure about the specs or anything since I’m new but I just wanna create some horror games. Should it enough for that?

[fresh fog]

I'm gonna be completely honest and say I can't really notice a difference from 60-120

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah 60->120 is massive
I can see a pretty clear difference between my 2nd 144Hz monitor and my main 170Hz monitor

Not as huge as 60 to 120 but it's still pretty noticeable

[violet spade]

What are the models if you don’t mind me asking?

Basically what I’m wondering is if the diff is based on them using diff technologies from each other or just the frame rate

Like if you force your main to go down to 144hz does it look the same as your secondary ?

[plush turret]

are you making the next phasmaphobia with 4K or a "slenderman 8 pages"?

because the former, your going to either crash, set the computer on fire, or simply spend weeks building a single level.

the latter, pretty sure my old MX250 could render that

[real crane]

Nah im just trying to make a game with graphics fears to fathom if you know what that is

[plush turret]

nope

basically those 2 games are my horror game library

[mighty cosmos]

TUF Gaming VG259 as my secondary and AG273QG as my primary
Both have similar response times, and gray to gray
They look about the same at 144hz

obviously ignoring the color differences

I like using this site to test monitors
https://www.testufo.com

has tests for ghosting, blur, etc...

[violet spade]

Good, yeah? 😁

[mighty cosmos]

it's not gonna be possible to tell a difference with a screenshots since it depends on the screen's ability to display a picture 😅

[violet spade]

I was jk, this is on my iPhone 😀

[mighty cosmos]

😅

[quick grove]

hi guys
may i know what's intel core processor equivalent to ryzen 5 7600x?
cos i wanna compare before i made my decision 😄

[quick grove]

ok! thanks!!

[wind egret]

Too late, is now proud owner of a 12400U

[median marsh]

is this a 4060 reference?

ah, it's even the same person

[quick grove]

cmon guys 😦 that was my noob mistake. wont try to happen again

oh ok! thanks for the warning!

guess i just stick to ryuzen 5 then 😄

[thorny oak]

larger bar = better

[wind egret]

I recommend an IBM PowerPC, they are rated for the highest wattage

[magic roost]

Anyone here using 48gb RAM sticks who could help me test a problem on UE5.1.1 that may be related to this "exotic" stick size

yes

[quick grove]

huh no! you said i5 isnt purchase recommendation? or are u referring to ruzen 5 as well? haha sorry okok. nvm

i will re-read what u meant 😅 sorry

[wheat perch]

Got a totally random question here: how many people here are using AMD? I’m considering making a swap from Nvidia and I heard that AMD’s GPUs are not as stable as their Nvidia counterparts

Got it, thanks!

[thorny oak]

I have both, neither nvidia nor AMD is perfect and they're pretty similar in terms of stability

[quick grove]

people keep suggesting AMD

[thorny oak]

that's because they work and you get more for your $

(sometimes, they have some not great products in terms of price)

[wheat perch]

I was considering getting either a RX 7800 XT or a RTX 4070 for Black Friday, and AMD does seem to have a better value

[thorny oak]

and some regions have really bad pricing for AMD

[wheat perch]

I’m in the US so the price slightly favors AMD, though it’s not that big of a difference

Is a 650W gold enough for those that are using it? Cuz one disadvantage it has over 4070 is that it draws quite a bit more power

[thorny oak]

depends on the system as a whole, not just the gpu

[wheat perch]

My CPU is an intel i5 13600kf and I got 64gb of ram and a 2TB ssd

[thorny oak]

you can also cut down that power usage quite a bit without much performance impact but that's not a margin that you want to rely on in terms of PSU

[wheat perch]

How would that work?

[thorny oak]

same with your 13600k

[wheat perch]

So you’ll need to set an upper bound for both the cpu and the gpu?

[thorny oak]

it can be much more efficient without losing much preformance

true

[wheat perch]

Got it

[thorny oak]

honestly I think a 650 would be okay but if you clamp down on the cpu and gpu peak draw then I'd say it would be relatively comfortable

[median marsh]

that wont catch transient spikes tho, idk if they are even measurable on the AC side?!

[wheat perch]

I’ll keep that in mind

[thorny oak]

yeah probably not measurable on the AC side

or at least not fully

[wheat perch]

One thing that worries me is that I might have to go and buy and new PSU for the 7800xt later on

[thorny oak]

what you need to do is wing it and just buy a second power supply if it turns out the 650 isn't cutting it, run the second one jumped and hanging outside of the case 😃

[median marsh]

no

[plush turret]

General Hardware question: I know theres some sort of plug in light strip thing you can attach to the back of a screen for more color bleed on your wall, Is there a best company that makes these or are they gimmicks that dont really work period

[plush turret]

i mean will they accurately replicate the light at the edge of the screen so it splashes on the wall

Phillips Hue?

[median marsh]

does philips really have an backlight solution to plug'n'play?

i think the actual working ones are connected to the HDMI cable and catch the actual video signal to pick the colors

[plush turret]

yeah i was wanting those but idk of any companies who make them

or really what to put in the google/amazon search bar

[median marsh]

isn't it ironic how the most successful mobile gaming computer runs on linux? 😛

arch btw.

well okay, stuff like switch etc. is more successful i guess

but i guess more android phones than any phone on another platform exist?

like ever, including symbian and any other dead OS

[plush turret]

tbh if more companies used linux for consoles like that there would probably evolve better support almost defensively

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/linus-nvidia-fuck-you-nvidia-linux-linus-torvalds-gif-5267420752109892596

[plush turret]

why

[plush turret]

more options mean more actual competition for creating good OS other than slapping a new number on it and changing the UI a bit.

[median marsh]

that wasn't meant towards you

it's linus tovalds, the guy who is responsible for what ends up in the linux kernel

and he was mad at nvidia which didn't provide public informations about how to use their hardware so that open source drivers could be made

which is kinda relatable, specially since probably a ton of nvidia's AI stuff is possible due to open source work...

[violet spade]

@iron zenith so based on our previous discussion, for an i5-12600k how much RAM would be ideal? 😅

Yeah, I’ve got 48 rn because I didn’t feel like throwing out the 16GB I had 😅

Thx

Haha

Page file on an SSD still much slower than RAM I imagine, eh?

[opaque pond]

Insanely slower compared to especially ddr5

If you can get a 4x pcie 5 m.2 setup you might get half a single ddr4 channel

[violet spade]

Yeah, it’s just, other than the 16GB being much cheaper than 32GB, having to chuck a 16GB to put a 32GB in seems…wasteful

And I only have the 4 slots

Hell I didn’t even check if I have enough clearance with my CPU fan

Prly could make that work but idk, I might just suffer through it with the 48GB for now

😱 https://youtube.com/shorts/DU1M-DsCwpo?si=XmxyX7GDxqSEdl3M

[fallen oasis]

That makes me a little happier about my AIO cooler.

[violet spade]

I mean I believe him but I still don’t want to play with fire water in my pc 😅

[plush turret]

im building with 64 atm and expand to 128 later since thats the max my hardware supports and should help right?

[fallen oasis]

Lol, yeah. It's not like I want to douse my motherboard with water!

[plush turret]

nah, a whiskey barrel submerged pc best idea

or if wood is bad a keg

[plush turret]

im assuming combining drives can cause issues if the game/program is stored split between the drives?

i have a 500gb and 1tb m2 i want to put into my MB that supports up to 5 drives and im unsure if its better to combine them as 1 single drive or just have steam and such prefer the bigger drive

[plush turret]

also pulling the hard drive out of one computer and slapping it in another shouldnt have any issues right? even if said programs are OEM and want things like fingerprint scanners

[magic roost]

I have 7950X3D and due to other problems I tried activating the game profile on Ryzen Master, disabling CCD1, half of the cores and as a result my Timespy (demo version) GPU scores jumped from 31000 to 37000. Is this normal?

[magic roost]

Thanks, I'll look into the xbox game bar thing

[magic roost]

I couldn't figure out how the game bar should work, but I process lassoed the TimeSpy and score was 35000, so up 4000 points, but same time my CPU now scores less, from 13000+ to 12000. Do you know what would work for unreal the best? Should the editor itself run on 3D while the shader compile workers stay on all cores?

Thanks. Total score went from 26000 +/- to over 27000, based on the graph compared to others with similar setups is very low. But I guess the 4 sticks of RAM running at poor 4800mhz is also big factor. Still I would kinda expect more from such premium processor. I did render test from UE and if there was a a difference on render that took something like 57-58 seconds with all cores, took perhaps few seconds less on 3D only. I'm not really making playable games now. Just need performance for better work experience and faster rendering

Yeah, i really want to find some loaner 6000mhzs to see if that would increase scores a lot and solve that stutter too

Shader workers are independent process.. so they could still remain at both sides

Anyways thanks for all the insights. Maybe later I'll try some actual UE benchmarking to see if there's any meaningful change to any direction

Ah, in total it's probably not much gained then if anything. Would be nice if it could be automated so that when the render hits on, then the cores get switched

Thanks, got it

[violet spade]

may have found the culprit for my slow to a crawl/freezes https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/16xxkf1/most_recent_version_of_windows_11_causing_random/

cause this has only been happening to me this past month too

It seems to coincide with the update when they introduced Copilot

[violet spade]

Lol Microsoft agent said “nice Mona Lisa of a pc you got there, perfect balance of power and efficiency”

I died 😊

Prly something they tell everyone but still 😀

[willow field]

Is gpu temperature 80C° good at 100%?

Gpu lifghtmass 200000 quality

[mighty cosmos]

Yes it's normal, I'm assuming that's nvidia because AMD gpus go even higher (which is normal for them)

[plush turret]

other than drive specific read/write speeds 2 m2 drives put into the motherboard would technically have the same read/write for things like games?

[plush turret]

im just curious if using the 2-3 drives i have with the spares being for steam and such would be almost as effective as spending $200 on a 4tb drive

[magic roost]

Still trying to find people with Ryzen 7000 series CPU, for example but not limited to 7900X or 7800X3D, to help me test a bug. See if only ones with specific config, all 7000 or all 3D models are affected. If you have one, and got few minutes to do a test render for me from very small project file, it would be much appreciated.

[dense mirage]

200 bucks for a 4TB drive???

[plush turret]

Solid state m2 nvme

[frank glade]

I always paid 200 bucks for my ssd drives. First it was a crucial 128gb, then got to 512gb and a few years ago a 1tb one. Prices keep going down

[plush turret]

yeah theres cheaper versions but they come from companies i dont really trust

actually a lot of prices are going up for cyber monday

[opaque pond]

now a 2tb ssd is under 100$

[plush turret]

yeah

[frank glade]

Yes gonna get a 4tb soon

[fresh fog]

I paid £97 for a 500GB nvme drive and now I can get a 2TB one for £116 😭

[median marsh]

i paid $200 for a 80GB one...

[violet spade]

But why tho

What year was it ?

[plush turret]

probably like 2017

my first 500gb ssd was in a $1700 gaming laptop

[median marsh]

~2009 i think

pretty much one of the first customer ssds (intel x25 g2)

[violet spade]

That makes sense, it was brand new tech lol

[median marsh]

i still use it in an laptop, and it's still working perfectly fine

[violet spade]

That’s pretty good

What brand ?

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/intel-intel-jingle-jingle-intel-gif-21361060

[hollow mist]

7800X3D reporting in

[magic roost]

Awesome, thank you so much, I'll DM you

[magic roost]

Big thanks for helping me test it out!

Still looking for someone without 3D V-cache to make sure if the issue is 3D only. 7950X, 7900X etc owners, please let me know if willing to check this

[opaque pond]

why you ask

[magic roost]

I've explained it here before and there's lot more on #profiling but basically it seems that there's something wrong in the 5.1.1 and 5.2.1 engine when used with either Ryzen 7000 series or X3D version CPU. Everything else has been tested

[mighty cosmos]

Well not exactly what you are asking about but we've been running something across a few dozen nodes, some running intel cpus, some amd, 13 gen, 12, amd 5x, 7x, 3d

And 3d were the most unpredictable ones, in some parts of the thing we were running they were the fastest, and in other parts they are 2x slower than anything else, feels a lot like whatever it's deciding what cores to use isn't prioritizing the task and not running on 3d cores

For whatever reason messing with Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling in Windows helped quite a bit, some behaved better with it on and some worse

Specifically 3d cpus

[opaque pond]

i have issues on mine too

[magic roost]

Thanks. I tried this but it still stutters, even disabling the HW GPU scheduling. Comforting to know that others have noticed this too

[magic roost]

Similar to what I described or how do your issues manifest?

[lethal geode]

hi so im building a pc and i want to know how can i move all my files from my laptop (what im currently using) to my new pc?

like all my games ue5 projects personal files etc

[magic roost]

Just copy paste your projects to external hard drive (or maybe two given you should have backups). You just install UE normally to the new comp and then copy the projects over. But if you are not familiar how to copy files on computer, I would seriously recommend that you don't build a PC yourself but let someone else do it

[lethal geode]

but can i just copy all my files over to an external drive and plug it in to the new pc?

[opaque pond]

No just everything is laggy

[hollow mist]

I recently noticed that someone didn't remove the plastic cover from CPU cooler when installing it 😂 That's what you get when you don't do it yourself

[errant crypt]

Anyone got some 49" 5120x1440 monitor experience ? 😄

Im considering upgrading my 34" 3440x1440 but not sure if its worth it , productivity wise?

Some complain its simply to wide

[fallen oasis]

What's the 3440x1440 like? I'm considering a new monitor.

[errant crypt]

I've enjoyed it quite a lot really, but i always feel like its lacking a bit in the width 😆

(Also got it a while ago, cheaply, so its only 60hz, and a tn display)

[fallen oasis]

Lacking a bit in width with a superwide? 😛

[errant crypt]

Yeah, like the windows get a bit smushed when doing side by side by side

[fallen oasis]

Lol

[errant crypt]

3 split is only 1100pixels per window . Even discord is uncomfy at that

[fallen oasis]

Yeah...

I have 3 monitors for a reason!

[errant crypt]

Right!?

At work i got 2x 27", which is fine but i hate the bezel

A 49 would be the same without the bezel

Windows also got some annoying window snapping (havnt checked if i can change some settings for it) which doesnt help

Reading about the 49, ive seen some app mentioned which supposedly solves this properly tho

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/fancyzones

[fallen oasis]

Hmm

5120 is still < 1920 when divided by 3, though.

I'd definitely want to set up a main 1440p window in the centre and have 2 side windows... which would mean 2 1280x1440 sections on either side.

Which would be weird

Honestly I might just go for a large 4k monitor and keep the 2 side ones.

That is, get rid of my right monitor which has been on the blink for years and shift the middle one over!

[errant crypt]

1280 is still > 1100 😆

I think that'd be acceptable

I can do a little less than half today (so <1700) and still have acceptable window size for secondary content

If i do 1920 in the middle window i can get 1600 on the sides

(Knowing myself i want 3440 for my main window, and 1600 for a single secondary 😂)

[fallen oasis]

I'd want some zoom on 1440 height, so I wouldn't be getting 1920 width anyway

Probably 150% dpi or so

[errant crypt]

Oh rip

I avoid zoom like the plague

Hate it, and a lot of apps dont support it

(If its the windows scaling)

[fallen oasis]

I gotta use it to do my job properly.

Using dpi scaling on a 1080p monitor is a pain.

[errant crypt]

Fair enough

[fallen oasis]

Hence why I test dpi scaling so rarely!

[errant crypt]

Wish windows has some collection/style set for fonts and sizes etc that all apps would use

[fallen oasis]

The apps know better, don't you know?!

[errant crypt]

Im not surprised tbh

[median marsh]

you can have a different height?! i got 1440p as main and 1080x1920 on the side

[fallen oasis]

We were talking a single mega-wide monitor with split regions.

[median marsh]

oh, nvm

[fallen oasis]

Today is saturday, right?

Yeah.

[median marsh]

are you going shopping now?

because i would wait for blackfriday "deals"

or rather the usual prices after they raised them in the last months... 😄

[fallen oasis]

No

[errant crypt]

Friday deals are already on here 😂

[fallen oasis]

Just one of those things I keep saying I need, but I'm saving for a house.

[errant crypt]

Pre Black week offers currently

[errant crypt]

Makes two of us lol

Yet i keep buying crap i :need:

[fallen oasis]

Hehe.

I try to keep my spending to a minimum these days.

I still buy random small purchases, but no big ticket items.

[median marsh]

wait

aren't you the threadripper guy? 😄

[fallen oasis]

I bought that years ago.

[median marsh]

young and naive, heh?

[fallen oasis]

• my employer paid for it 😄

[median marsh]

ahh, gotcha

[fallen oasis]

After the fact. They were like, "so, do you need any hardware for your job?" "Well, I just bought this machine..."

Don't regret it, even if they didn't.

[median marsh]

and then you made their website on a threadripper?

yea, few years ago the difference to a desktop cpu was probably more dramatic

[fallen oasis]

Hell no. Fuck web design.

I still compile faster than anyone else in teh company!

[errant crypt]

7950x does just fine these days 😄

[median marsh]

nowadays with stuff like 7950x, etc. idk, main advantage is probably tons of pci ex lanes and more memory support

but does it matter for the stuff that we do?

no i don't

and when i do, i get away with a few of actions most of the time

[fallen oasis]

I have no compile engine changes multiple times per week

[median marsh]

idk if it was like that always

[fallen oasis]

That always means thousands of actions.

[errant crypt]

So a threadripper chugs away nicely for you :p

[fallen oasis]

Indeed

[errant crypt]

Guess i could just give a new screen a try and return it if its not pleasing

60 day open return is nice

[fallen oasis]

I'd definitely need to try one out before I bought it tbh.

Go to the local monitor shop, try it out and then buy it off amazon 😂

[errant crypt]

😂 local store has best price so far

[median marsh]

yeah im also kinda lucky to have a store like 10 miles close which has reasonable pricing

while the big electronic chains really ran down in the past years

feels like shopping in a warehouse...

[violet spade]

Yeah we have a store called memory express here that I didn’t even know about until I used pc part picker

Cheaper than Best Buy/Amazon for most parts

[outer bluff]

I'm trying to look into a laptop to do some work remotely over Christmas, but I'm having a hard time finding something that is good value for money that could reliably run Unreal Engine 5. Could anyone working on a laptop give me some recommendations?

[lethal geode]

i know how to build a pc
i just want to know the most fast and efficient way to move everything not just my ue projects

[magic roost]

Copy pasting files is one of the most basic tasks of using computer. If you lack confidence to copy your personal files to an external hard drive and then back to your new computer (which you can do), it portrays lack of basic understanding on how to use computer. There will be absolutely no one who would recommend you to build a computer yourself.

If you were to build computer on your own, you would face many more much more serious choices, that can cause you to in worst case break your parts and be out of warranty as user error. Assuming you got the cables right, applied everything required and removed everything that isn't supposed to be there, you still need to be confident modifying BIOS and possibly even during the install, injecting drivers or such via command line. You would need to google bunch of options, just to explain the terminology. Having said that, question like "can I copy my files to external hard drive and then to new computer" is also something you could get answer from google in few seconds, rather than waiting here for days. I mean this no disrespect to you. Everyone started as beginner on every field they ever tried. Just saying that based on the level of knowledge you've shown here. You are very far from ready to build and setup new computer yourself

[magic roost]

If everything is laggy it is probably completely different issue. Most like your scene just being too heavy for your computer. Or you have some single part, like very low memory, very old CPU or GPU bottlenecking all of it in otherwise modern system, or your hard drive is practically full

[lethal geode]

oh i didnt know i just copy and paste

i thought it was more complicated in some way

thanks

[quick grove]

Hi guyss
I was about to buy ryzen 5 7600 but I saw ryzen 7 cost just a few dollars away 😮

Erm.... Idk what to do. What do u guys recommend?

[violet spade]

Use pcpartpicker.com to determine if the 7 is compatible with the rest of your hardware, you have the right amount of RAM, best bang for your buck, etc

[opaque pond]

How do I figure out what is causing that?

[magic roost]

Start by watching some videos on profiling and optimazation to get overview of the tools you have

[opaque pond]

I mean I have done that but I still can't find what's the cause

[magic roost]

Perhaps you want to ask in #profiling but if you just tell folks you have a problem, everything is slow, you did tests, then no one can help you because no one has any idea what problem you have, how slow everything is, is it even supposed to be fast with whatever system you have, they also don't know what tests you did or if you understood the results because you aren't giving out any info here

[dense mirage]

Oh yeah I've notice they did go up a bit. But silicon power has a 4TB m.2 nvme for $172-178 bucks

Their ssd is 20 bucks cheaper

Same capacity

[plush turret]

ok so i need to find a new PSU. prefer under $180, 1,000w

[agile lodge]

your good time its blackfriday coming

[plush turret]

the one i picked isnt in any local store and amazon says that even when paying for shipping with amazon it estimates over 12 days to ship

is this compatible with a 3060rtx and a standard MB: https://www.microcenter.com/product/632809/corsair-rmx-series-rm1000x-1000-watt-80-plus-gold-atx-fully-modular-power-supply

why are PSU's all out of stock for some reason?

[median marsh]

Laura bought them all (need more of those Watts)

but you at least considered buying one

not?

that's a lot of words for yes

[plush turret]

dang it laura why you take them all

i just wanted one rm1000e that wouldnt take half a month to get here

[iron crest]

Anyone ever experiment with moving Rider and it's source index cache to a ram disk? I would assume it would net a huge speed up in changing solution configurations which always seem to be painfully slow, even on high end hardware

[sonic birch]

Hey!! I am currently using two monitors and I am considering a switch to an ultrawide* monitor. However, I've never had the opportunity to test Unreal Engine with this kind of setup. I'm seeking feedback purely in terms of user experience and day-to-day use, but I'm finding it challenging to locate relevant information. I was wondering if there is there someone here who can guide me on this? For example, does the UI of the software work well, and if they are there any drawbacks compared to a 'standard' dual monitor setup? Thank you so much! 🙂

[fallen oasis]

You want to switch to widescreen? What are you on now, 4:3?

[sonic birch]

miss type, I wanna say ultrawide 😄

[glossy oak]

I have an ultrawide and I love it

win 11 also makes it easy to organize windows

I have my IDE on one side, ue editor in middle, and another video (usually youtube) on the other side

[lethal geode]

is a 750W psu good enough for these specs?

RTX 3060 12Gb
Intel core i9 11900k
64gb ram

nah all i got is 2 ssds

lol

@median marsh what do u think