hardware

[vernal sphinx]

or do u have a different gpu to swap and test for an isolated test

within unreal engine

[fallen oasis]

I don't even remember. I gave my old pc to my dad.

He now has a semi-decent gaming pc to check his emails 😂

[vernal sphinx]

are you not able to assess the jump in performance?

[fallen oasis]

The noticeable performance gain I got was compiling the engine very quickly.

And making all my colleagues jealous 😂

[plush turret]

is there a way to force limit how much of the CPU any/all programs use? this monitoring program is killing my ability to do anything because my cpu is at 90%, and this thing shouldnt need more than 10%

[fallen oasis]

Set it to lower priority?

[plush turret]

how do i do that and how do i find it? the program has hidden itself pretty well there no name or such for whats using the most cpu, added up in task manager, my cpu should only be using about 17%

theres some program not showing up there using 70+ percent

i need the job to pay off a LOT of debt and havent yet found another that will hire me

core or thread

ah yes, and how

which tab should be prioritiezed in details

this is the culprit

what about installed apps service?

[fallen oasis]

End task things until your pc breaks. Don't end task that thing again.

[plush turret]

AHAH i found one program i think the problem is that instead of one master program this software is like 30 little programs

i found the hidden folder the program resides in, now im huntinthem to the same core

[vernal sphinx]

Im asking for experience, yknow the real world benchmark

Not for u to assess my gain

[plush turret]

im assuming if i list all to the same core they will simply fight each other for that core and leave the rest alone?

and if windows refuses to let my set affinity leave it alone?

put them all on core 1 and CPU usage is down to 30-40%

performance still spikes but thats better than staying at 90% all the time

is there a way to limit how much network data a program uses?

because my already crappy wifi has had its effectiveness cut by 90%

[frigid heath]

get a new wifi

or use a cable

[fallen oasis]

It seems you just need a new computer that isn't terible

[plush turret]

The computer is fine

The wifi cant be replaced because starlink it the only other option

And vastly more expensive

There has to be a way to meter a specific programs network usage

[plush turret]

Is there a known way to or do i play Russian roulette

*with random programs

i have 300kb/s would be nice to restrict the special programs to 15kb/s and let them run in the background

[fallen oasis]

Windows has a thing for this... but you could always firewall them off. Let them use 0!

[plush turret]

id get in trouble

they need some

and fck them if they want all

[plush turret]

whats it called?

[fallen oasis]

I think it's on by default. It's a load balancing thing in your network properties.

[plush turret]

"disrupting or interfearing with the program is grounds for termination" the program still has to run and report, but nothing says i cant limit the resources and speed it does so. and 15kb/s is no faster than they get the reports from my phone

[fallen oasis]

A quality of service protocol.

[plush turret]

i pay $20/month for my phone service, i get exactly what i pay for

load balancing on quick search seems to be more a server side thing

[fallen oasis]

I have no idea if this is effective or not.

[plush turret]

get to this through device manager?

[fallen oasis]

adapter settings in network settings.

[plush turret]

and what do i do with it?

[fallen oasis]

Make sure it's on?

[plush turret]

it is

and chrome still is only able to use like 10% at best of the speed it used to

how do i tell it "slow XYZ programs down and let the others have priority"?

[fallen oasis]

I'm not sure you can

[plush turret]

hm

i cant be the only one who has programs that will chew up their internet if they are allowed to and simply wants to slow them down

i gotta research this cause its kinda the number 1 problem i have, my network is slow but if i can limit a few of the background programs then chrome, steam and email arent fighting for all of the bandwidth

[plush turret]

for future reference, theres a premium program called netlimiter, and its so far working wonders, lot easier than messing with router QoS settings, its also only $16 per device

one time fee

[fallen oasis]

Not bad

[plush turret]

no, and sometimes we want to limit a program, like i know when steam wants to update some games in the background i limit it to 20kb/s (out of 300) and simply let it basically trickle download in the background with minimal interfearance in my other project

[plush turret]

literally just talked about i with daek

your good and its a decent program

[plush turret]

other than the $1 diff whats the main difference between these 2:

[fallen oasis]

One will be overclocked.

Or one is a typo.

Check the stats of each card.

[plush turret]

ones overclocked though dunno why they are so similar

price wise

[fallen oasis]

Are you sure they aren't the same card, one just mislabelled?

[plush turret]

they look the same in images

but one says overclocked one doesnt in their titles

[fallen oasis]

Does it say it on teh box?

[fallen oasis]

Well that one clearly says OC

Just buy the OC one. At worst, you sepnd an extra dollar. At best you have a factory OC'd card.

[plush turret]

also is it possible to convert a laptop screen into a monitor? i have a laptop with a good screen but fried MB and its a 4K touch capable screen, perfect for drawing apps

[fallen oasis]

I'd say your chances are unlikely.

[worldly lagoon]

not unless you connect directly to the cable it's using, you'd need something to make the connection and a driver for it.

[plush turret]

more a "would be nice" cause high quality touch capable drawing pads are expensive

[fallen oasis]

It's unlikely that it just connects via hdmi inside... and then there's the power to consider.

[worldly lagoon]

it's will be a ribbon cable and power, yes.

[plush turret]

the laptop is a dell 7950 2-in-1

[fallen oasis]

You should probably get it repaired, rather than try to frankenstein it into a drawing tablet.

[plush turret]

yeah thats a total MB replacement with an integrated gpu

its like a $200 buy

[fallen oasis]

What's wrong with the mb?

[plush turret]

no clue, the tech support ran tests, screen, hd, ram, and such check fine, but the MB gives no response even to bios

and even if it was CPU, isnt it built into the board?

[fallen oasis]

Depends on the motherboard, but they're normally detachable. I don't know much about laptop mobos.

[worldly lagoon]

You typically swap the whole board with GPU and CPU.

I thought I fried mine recently, it eventually rebooted and saved me the drama.

[devout pendant]

are these newer generations of CPUs with embedded AI cores going to compete with GPUs?

stable diffusion can run on CPU, but it's 10x slower

[worldly lagoon]

GPUs can't compete with GPUs 🙂

[fallen oasis]

That's just not trying hard enough!

[plush turret]

is affinity supposed to reset every time your computer restarts?

im also assuming the 12900 im buying for the big rig will be less affected by a set of programs on one logic processor compared to the 4 core laptop cpu im currently using right?

which for this is at start

[main fiber]

Hello, I'd appreciate advice for UE.
Is it better to go with
1.

AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor
Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card

or 2.

Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor
Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card

please?

Definitely but the gpu from 1. is for me double the price of the seond one which is just a lot so I can only pair it with a lesst core count heavy amd cpu compared.

On the other hand I'm not sure how much the 20 potential threads on 12 cores matters compared to 12 threads on 6 cores.

I'm upgrading from a 6 core intel without hyperthreading and a 1660ti so either is an ugprade for me :0

Well I do plan to make 3d games.

what do you mean by "how", pelase?

First person and strategy game right now.

oh I see what you meant.

I don't have that much exp in UE right now so far I've been using mostly lumen and look at lightmaps as an optimization feature?

But I'm moving form a different engine where GI without lightmaps aren't as expensive so I'm still not sure what is the best appraoch in UE?

I've been so far combining the cpp as a base and want to use BP on top to connect the dots as I was told that's areasonable way to utilize strengths of both.

yeah that's why I'm expecting to utilize both lumen and lightmaps to ensure it's playable on a wider range of HW.

just like you said 🙂

@iron zenith hm in general I'm not locked, though I do use blender and it does seem to use cuda for rendering to improve times but it doesn't really matter to me since I don't really render much anyway.

but I'm also wondering how the dlss3 vs fsr situation is, it seems to be getting even into indie space and I assume it will be more and more relevant maybe?

(in the future)

on the other hand the 20gb vram is probably more than enough to not have the constant "you are out of vram expect performance to kick your ass" message I keep getting with my 6gb one gpu 😄

Really? Oh I thought all the games and the engines as well will be jumping the ship to the newer upscalers and dithcing the previouso nes?

I see but in general the dlss and fsr can be tested both on an nvidia gpu while amd can only test fsr, correct?

yeah I'm just reading up on that release, it seems the highedns will be released either in october or in december but the mid and low range next year.

hm I guess I can wait since you are giving such a helpful advice 🙂 @iron zenith though my computer half died two days ago so it will be race if it lasts or not long enough 😄

if it's just two weeks or so I think I can wait, I'll just avoid using the computer too much.

on the other hand the question is do you think the costs will be the same as now?

because me budget is still a thing 😄

I'm reading an article where they expect the 14k series to be slightly more expensive instead of dropping 13k if I'm reading it correctly.

Jesus I wish theese things were more clear form the manufactures :

^.^

@iron zenith if you don't mind, this still leaves open the discussion about the GPUs since if the amd one would be a lot better than I wouldn't bewaiting for intel cpu.

From my side I have no idea. I've just started with UE a while ago so I don't really know how it works in UE HW wise unfortunately.

Do you mean the ai generative stuff for art and such, or does UE editor now uses some AI models for something too?

Open world I don't think I can make a game like that while making it fun to play and not becoming 60 years old before release so I'll stay away from that. On the other hand my small strategy game has decently sized maps.

Hm I assume both GPUs are probably pretty fast but the 20gb is probably more future proof as you mentioned above.

@iron zenith I'm sorry I keep asking. If you don't mind from your experience compiling oin a 6 core cpu with threads against 12 core with 20 threads. Do you think that makes a significant enough difference for UE use?

I mean apaprt from that first time compile time when you open a new project wihch takes quite a bit of time.

I'm thinking about the ryzen fo now and maybe upgrading it a year or two or so later. Since it's still a decent ugprade for me going form an only 6 core cpu without extra threads.

I see. Crap I guess I'll wait.

and go with less vram gpu probably

yep

Anytime I google dlss vs fsr everywhere it seems the dlss is better overall image quality too.

yeah but it's probably nice for playing them ;0

hm

you are not makign this any easier choice 😄

well budget is limited 😉

64? I assumed 32 would be enough, is it that bad bad in UE?

I could switch from ryzen 5 7600 to the X version together with that 7900xt gpu.

[fallen oasis]

You want thread count * 1.5 + 10 (not core count!)

At least.

[main fiber]

I see. Interesting. But ram is something for now I could probably go with 32 and upgrade later on wit hsome extra budget next year I think.

so right now it's Ryzen 5 7600X + Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB vs i5-13600KF + GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB (potentially waiting for the release of the 14000 intel series ).

[gray shadow]

I, on the other hand, am thinking about going with 4060 ti 16 GB rather than 4070 12 GB and put the money difference into CPU. Reviewers call that GPU bad value for gaming, but for making content it's a bit different story with that additional VRAM - and that's something reviewers usually don't consider.

[main fiber]

hm I'll check that out

that drops the gpu price a lot compared to the radeon above, I need to check how it is?

[gray shadow]

It's kinda irritating that Nvidia does it on purpose. A weaker GPU has more VRAM to discourage you from getting 4070 and push you into getting 4080.

[main fiber]

Yeah I'm just reading about it too. The articles so far seem to call the 4060Ti not worth the money?

[primal dome]

is it slower bcs of amount of smart cores and stupid cores?

[gray shadow]

But reviewers are almost always comparing how much FPS they get in video games and make their conclusions almost entirely based on gaming, not content creation.

[primal dome]

found image

i think if enabled E cores, it dissable not E cores, so any way you'll lose a ton of multithreaded performance

[main fiber]

I wish that we reality

but nvidia has been holding back on vram quite a bit compared to amd.

[gray shadow]

yeah but if you want to run AI model that has problems fitting in 12 GB that 4060 will run it but not 4070. I assume VRAM caused crashes in UE5 editor will also be rarer on 16 gb but weaker gpu.

[main fiber]

Just for comparison to know what I'm ugprading from, I currently have GTX 1660Ti 6GB and intel i5-9400F

[sinful narwhal]

depends. at least there are some which compare with fsr/dlss/RT off, just raw fps (for gaming purposes).
and maybe digging a few more details (power, temperature, issues with drivers, bsod, ram differences, bus width, Mhz), same as what you are discussing here.

[main fiber]

So for me either is a huge upgrade honetly.

this one includes the 7900 xt in one of the options I have availabe for upgrade above.

[gray shadow]

for SDXL the 12 GB vs 16 GB becomes more important in terms of possible resolution and training.

[main fiber]

vs this one

it seems like one implementation is apparently prefered for nvidia users while the other for amd users.

yeah thay also tlak about it in the article: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/stable-diffusion-performance-nvidia-geforce-vs-amd-radeon/

I by no means epxect that GPU to be on par with 4090 😉

I'm on your side in this hehe

[gray shadow]

I wish I could go with Radeon but some software either works much worse or doesn't work at all (like realitycapture - cuda required - surprised Epic didn't fix that after acquisition).

[main fiber]

yep for sure

my competiton is still likely 4070 (with worse cpu) vs 7900xt (with better cpu), I could technically also probably go with RTX 4070 Ti isntead of 7900xt since price wise it's comperable.

oh they all have 14 gb vram, is nvidia allergic 16gb?

[gray shadow]

they just have quasi-monopoly and want you to get 4080.

[main fiber]

well I felt the 4070 and 7900xt are crazy expensive already but 4080 is stupidly more expensive, what happened to gpu market since gtx days? 😄

[gray shadow]

Nvidia should just go full troll mode and release 4030 with 24 GB.

[main fiber]

since nvidia is supposed to be getting clsoer to text to 3d generative models i wonder if the 20gb vram will be more important there compared to test to image models?

[gray shadow]

I doubt anyone can predict this.

[main fiber]

yeah :0

well the cpus are still the same the amd one with the 7900xt or 4070 ti or the intel one with 4070.

I don't have any other use for it other than potentially selling it maybe - when it comes to the amd cpu.
On the other hand upgrading cpu is a lot less costly than these, in all honesty stupidly overpriced, GPUs.

@iron zenith Then what if I went with the ryzen 7 7800X in comparison instead?

or potentially upgraded to it.

I'll check some online since this one was not included in the tests in the charts :). I'll assume it would be probably slightly slower than the intel but not by much. brb

Ok, thank you everyone a lot. It was a great chat with you and gave me some insight in to this and also confused the heck out of me too :D.

I'll wait for the intel release and then I'll likely go with an intel one be it 13600 above or the new 14600 depending on the price with less vram gpu such as the 4070 or even the 4060Ti suggested.

I really appreciate your time advising me here.

I'm sure the gpu will last me quite a while even if the lightmap times be a bit higher than with the 7900xt.

[main fiber]

@iron zenith yeah the benchmarks show a huge difference in favor of 4070

@iron zenith if you don't mind, what are your specs and how would you rate them for work in UE and gaming in general if you do play games, please?

ok you can't go much higher than that 😄

That's really nice 🙂

I was checking the leaked prices for intel and checking history prices on current cpus and it seems the release of the new ones will be more expensive than the older ones so now I'm a bit torn, the older ones might not be dropping anytime soon and it might be a slow slight declined over couple months. :?

Yeah but when the 14600 comes which will be better form the leakes, more cores and such. It will take time to get on stock and the prices will likely be higher I'm starting to think the 13600 might be ok for years to come anyway be it gaming or programming.

The RAM advice I'm definitely going to take to my heart, I managed to actually cut down the price of the 4070 from 668 to 616 and i can cut down a bit more elsewhere so I think I'll be able to up the RAMs as you suggested.

I think I won't wait. I just found evne a better deal for the cpu if I get it now and considering the stores here I wouldn't be surprised if prices were jacked up for quite a while.

You are a great help @iron zenith I really appreciate you taking your time with me, it must have been annoying at this point 😄

I picked the ddr5

Now I'm going to to order it and let my wallet bleed and my eyes cry 😄

[main fiber]

@iron zenith if you don't mind one more question :D. How about radeon rx 6800xt 16GB What do you think about that, please? 🙂

yeah overall all of them are sold out but the store just labeled this as a brand new, they haven't even added the description to it, it just showed literally right now :0

[main fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-awesome-gif-20245215

@iron zenith

[worldly lagoon]

The 7800XT is a far better card, check the power consumptions.

I seen lots of people still hyping the 6800xt recently. I guess they all don't care about their electric bills.

Actually maybe the numbers I was looking at before were incorrect. I just double checked the figures and ones I'm seeing now only show about 50w disparity. 🤷‍♂️

I thoght it was over 100w

Whatever, all the GPU deals are terrible still imo. For anyone looking to do serious work with Unreal.

[main fiber]

Well thanks for coming back ;).

I've a;ready made my purchase and most of it is already here, the cpu cooler should arrive tomorrow.

I made some compromises but with the prices and my budget of ~1300 USD I don't think it was possible without some compromise.

Thus I ended up with the intel cpu since I think this will last me years and the 4070 gpu which I expect to last me (for my needs) long time too.

y

kf hehe

for now I have 32 GB RAM

well for now two

I'll eventually get the RAM upgrade and send these to my younger sister.

but for now I'm still on budget which I already stretched beyond what I initially wanted 😄

Well 1660Ti lasted me forever too and the i5-9400f with it too. I'm not that demanding.

Current prices are stupide honestly. Especially the GPUs that I'd say is based off of thin air nothing else.

Actually I liked that cpu ;). It was pretty nice and I got it at such a great price as an upgrade from what i had at that point that it was awesome.

https://cz.pcpartpicker.com/list/TKYvfy

Now @iron zenith what's the UE excuse when you have HW but don't produce games? I need to expand my list of excuses from Godot to stay on the wave 😉

That sounds just like my godot journey, I think I'll slip into the Unreal socks right away

https://tenor.com/view/he-gif-22307081

@iron zenith I know it's offtopic here but do you have your UE project/s somewhere to be viewed perhaps?

Ok, thank you for helping me out today. If you have a cookie around feel free to get one for yourself on me! 🥹

[plush turret]

so is it possible to put more than one sata cable on the same MB port? like i know power wise i can chain them

[plush turret]

can i have a cookie

[plush turret]

question as i cant seem to find a reliable answer, a floppy drive adaptor is ALWAYS drive A: and default drive is always C: what is drive B:

[median marsh]

got this at the moment (Microsoft Pro Intellimouse), which is okay... but not as comfy as my previous logitech 😦 https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51itHrYRFFL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg

but considering that the logitech always failed at around ~2 years age, i got sick of it and wanted to try another one

and i wouldn't have thought that i would miss horizontal scroll on the mouse wheel, but here i am... (next one probably gonna be logitech again, and microsoft apparently also decided to cancel the pro intellimouse recently)

after all it's a good mouse, and i cant complain about it. the shape thing is personal preference and what you are used to

[hardy marten]

I wish G502's were more durable

it was the best mouse I've ever used but it got wrecked in less than 2 years

I am using a rather cheap mouse from... HP apparently

it works ig

so

I've heard that their G502X mice are more durable and much better

but they don't look appealing

and they removed the weight customization

and I just don't want to spend $90 on a mouse

as much as I miss the scroll wheel

[hardy marten]

(I like my mouse to be heavy)

[median marsh]

feed it more input

[hardy marten]

😑

I meant physically

[main fiber]

@iron zenith I've had logitech mouse for years now, so far no problems ;0 Unfortunately no better advice, the only other one I had was a microsoft mouse, which was also nice.

[plush turret]

sadly no, idk why (other than cost) but i love my little wirelss logitec

i also have an old IBM port trackball mouse i use for retro systems

the one i have is like 10 years old

only needed to change the battery like 4 times

the new ones i got for dad and my other desktop are still working fine

i think i only had one fail and that was due to accidentially damaging the little reciver chip you plug in

IBM made my trackball mouse in 1993 and it still works now as the main controller for my security system

by trackball i mean the green port with a big red 2 pound ball on top

no they dont

but that can be said about anything really

cars, my 2008 prius was far better built than my 2015

the 15 feels like pure plastic, the 08 was about the most comfortable car ive ever had

[frank glade]

What about 24 Priuses?

[fallen oasis]

How would you control 24 of them at once?!

[marble nebula]

Hello guys,
I want to change my CPU with R7 5700x or R9 3900x, can you please help me pick one?
I have Ryzen 5 3600 with RTX 3070Ti and 32 GB of Ram.

[marble nebula]

I do rendering a lot

[fallen oasis]

Plaster?

[fossil schooner]

Can someone recommend a laptop which can compile ue5 from source in less than an hour ?

[fallen oasis]

Any current generation cpu with 32gb of ram and an ssd will do that.

That's kind of entry level "compile the engine" tech.

[fossil schooner]

what are current generator cpu ?

[pale terrace]

generation probably

[fossil schooner]

ohh generation

[pale terrace]

any of the new 24 core intel would do it, or the new 16 core AMD would. I think even the 8 core amd I have will do it if you just compile the core engine.

system memory is critical as you want atleast 1GB per thread, preferablly 2gb as the compiler wants to find 1.5gb free per thread to use them all. 32gb in a 16 thread machine for example

otherwise you get limited # of threads being used = slower compile time

[fallen oasis]

Yes, sorry, generation. It's 4am 😦

[pale terrace]

4am is a good time to start work, not so good to be finishing up 😛

[fallen oasis]

Haha.

I posted my last CL an hour ago! I think my colleagues are asleep and can't review it. Oh well.

[fossil schooner]

My worries is my desktop which has 64 gb ram and 8 core cpu, does not perform well, maybe i compile too much, i will test whatever you mentioned in the other channel. so basically i need better cpu and ram and some ssd, and it should work fine. I hope no overheating problems.

[pale terrace]

try and test just the engine on a cleaned build. see what happens. just building the engine shouldnt be horrible like you are describing. also if your using an 8 core cpum make sure its using 16 tasks in VS when it builds

5.0 changed the way compiling source was optimized by forcing you to have more free memory and trying not to use all of your machine at 100%

[fallen oasis]

You generally aren't compiling the engine very often.

[fossil schooner]

yeah i think my cpu is not being utilized correctly .

[pale terrace]

but yeah for a laptop just look up good gaming laptop reviews and make sure your getting what you need in terms of more cores, memory, or VRAM

[fallen oasis]

If you do it once a week, you're probably doing it more than 99% of people in source builds.

[fossil schooner]

nha sometimes once a month, it depends..

[pale terrace]

do it while you sleep then 🙂

[fossil schooner]

yeah i do that.

okay thanks you guys, I will take a look

[pale terrace]

I mean I used to compile 4.x source code on an i3 all in one machine back in the day, sometimes you just let it go and not worry lol

[fallen oasis]

And, hey, you save a bit on the heating bill! 😄

[pale terrace]

I might have done it in the office at work while I was doing other stuff...

[opaque pond]

I think it uses 1,5gb per core and not thread

[obtuse rapids]

Anyone recommend a good development laptop? I have a solid death machine at home but I'm looking for something mobile - is for VR development. Budget 2,3k max

[frank glade]

I've been looking at Schenker laptops for that: https://bestware.com/en/laptop/vr-ready?mysn_lp_disp_size=15.6 pretty configurable and adequate cooling

[obtuse rapids]

I used a Sager as a gaming laptop, built in 2014 - things are tanks and the damn thing had dual GPUs - unfortunately i was one of the gamers who felt for the allure of crossfire. Though the thing ran Witcher 3 on high settings with 60 fps @ 1080p

[obtuse rapids]

Are these clevo?

[frank glade]

Hmm don't know, they also sell them as xmg

[obtuse rapids]

I've been searching in this channel for "laptop" - and I saw your recommendation for a laptop that was remoting into main desktop via parsec - That's not a bad idea but I'm not sure about being able to rely on it is a solution when I can't rely on the internet connection. Do you know anyone who's adopted this style?

The other option would be just to get a "building" laptop, something that I can jump into the editor, move some stuff around in the levels, edit blueprints, but not really worry about performance.

[flint prism]

sigh, I'm debating going and getting a new hard drive today. I need to double check, but I think I have a free m.2 slot, otherwise I have to pull a different drive out. But not really sure whats good and what I should look for

There is a samsung 970 evo Plus 2tb for 60bux off, to $140, or a 990pro at $199, a kingstone for $160, and two wd_blacks for decent prices...

any thoughts?

oh, main reason I want to upgrade is cause most of the new games require SSDs...

the kingston has good reviews on amazon...

[median marsh]

i got the 970 evo plus 2TB, from my experience it's a good ssd

also got 2x 970 evo (non plus) which i didnt have any problems with

if you dont have an m2 slot on your board, you can use one of those
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09JM5FVC7

[flint prism]

I've got an M2 slot thankfully. So once I get I'll just have to slot it in, format and go

the kingston says its almost twice the avg speed of the 970

[median marsh]

yea, but you wont notice that

unless you run something with heavy IO demand which is unlikely

[flint prism]

it'll just be a game drive. right now I'm still on an HDD

[median marsh]

i would save the $20-$60 bucks for a faster one and invest them in pizza

[flint prism]

the faster kingston is 20bux more, but for twice the speed? wouldnt that be worth it?

[median marsh]

no

they got to save the money somewhere else

they are all good SSDs probably, if you really are attracted by the speed go for it

[flint prism]

hmm

well I could put the 20bux towards the monitor I plan on buying also

[median marsh]

or you wait till black friday, if you can delay it for ~ a month

the 970 evo plus was cheaper already, and they might be cheap on black friday sales again

after all it's one of the later models and i think they just sell off stock by now

[flint prism]

the 970 is currently 60 off

[median marsh]

it's 100€ here and was it 75€ already

so that's 25% difference

[flint prism]

reg price is $200, down to $140 so, decent price

[median marsh]

idk

100€ is $105 currently

are you in US? or canada?

[flint prism]

canada

[median marsh]

are those prices usd?

[flint prism]

nope, can price. Shopping at a local place, gonna go drive in

[median marsh]

oh i see, so 100€ is also around $145 CAD

so almost the same here

well, i would personally wait for black friday, i'm kinda convinced that specially "old" models might get cheaper then

after all they probably want to get rid of them at some point 😄

but the $140 CAD seems to be a fair price, so dont worry too much

[flint prism]

Well, I really wanna play cyberpunk this weekend.....and the new reqs are an SSD so...

[median marsh]

😄

then get it ffs

[flint prism]

😄

I just finished watching edgerunners on netflix so I'm kinda pumped to play cyberpunk again

[median marsh]

the DLC is pretty good (kinda binge played through it already...)

just one mission was totally annoying...

[flint prism]

I'm pretty excited. But my sis called and I still have to check in with my dad cause he was thinking about upgrading his hard drive too if I was going in

[flint prism]

Hm. Ok my dad wants to go with me to the compy store. But he wants me to stop by and check his system. He's got an AMD card and apparently he gets an occasional video glitch, the vid cuts out for a few seconds now and then

he needs to update his drivers, but last time I updated it didnt fix the issue. AMD issue or something else? about to google it as well

[flint prism]

😱 my dad is saying he'll pay the diff between a 4tb drive and 2tb, cause he wants a 4tb, and of course for me to install his and dust out his case

the options for 4tb are more limited tho, a WD Black, an msi spatium(huh?) and a kingston kc3000, oh and a kingston NV2 series, but the price tag of that looks like its a low-end chip

oh yeah. it mentions notebooks and has much lower writespeeds...

the guys at the shop are usually pretty knowledgeable too so We'll pick their brains when we get there

yeah cause I know what the diff is 😄

[median marsh]

i would stick to wd or kingston then

MSI just buys shit and puts their label on it

and you have to hope that they get good charges 😛

because kingston/wd are closer to the actual chip producers, so they can be picky about the quality

[flint prism]

the WD black doesnt seem to say what type of chip, but the kingston says TLC.

ah, toms hardware says TLC

toms doesnt even mention the kingston in the "best ssds" list

[median marsh]

honestly for games even the cheap slow chips do fine

they are usually as fast at reading as the better chips

but writing will be heavily throttled once the dram cache is filled

[hardy marten]

I have a gen4 ssd and a gen3 ssd

noticing no difference whatsoever

[median marsh]

but since games dont use to write several GB of data each second they are fine for storage

[hardy marten]

it's the same

[flint prism]

from what I can tell, the WD is slightly better. But yeah I'll probably never notice the difference

and the WD black is 20 bux off until tomorrow, so its slightly cheaper

thanks for the help, heading out now 😄

[median marsh]

depends™️

i have several blend files which are >2GB guess some ssd's would annoy me when they only have 2GB cache

[median marsh]

yea big ones probably have larger cache?

i only feel the cache on some cheap adata 480gb ssd which i use for games

and big ones probably also have less write penality without cache

since they can write on more chips in parallel

[flint prism]

Jeebus! So got the 4TB wd black, and an LG ultragear 27gn600 monitor 😄

[plush turret]

if a laptops wifi refuses to turn on but ethernet works fine whats a likely problem? computer is about 10 years old

like the computer tries to connect via wifi and just doesnt want to turn on the wifi in settings

[plush turret]

wasnt optaine supposed to make memory faster or something?

i still have my old optaine drive

500gb with 32gb

[plush turret]

is there a good option for reading/writing cards? magnetic stripe/chip/RFID cards, i cant seem to find a good free/low cost option for this

use them for office laptop locks

all my company laptops have built in smartcard hardware, but i cant seem to find the right read/write software

[polar token]

Hello everyone, I'm interested in building a PC with a budget of $800, aiming to use the RX 6700 XT and Ryzen 5600X. Do you think this setup will be sufficient for getting started with learning UE5?

[plush turret]

i mean UE5 can kinda run on anything beyond starter laptops, the question is how detailed are your projects and how long are you willing to sit and let unreal do things

[polar token]

i just wanna start using it for the first time and make little projects

[plush turret]

then yeah long as its not a prebuilt patatoe from best buy you should be good

[polar token]

ty mate 😄

[plush turret]

my "professional" laptop from 2019 can run UE5 with some curtailed settings

[plush turret]

im assuming theres a hierarchy to CPU usage? so to keep a program from stealing resources from another just set them to the highest number logic core right?

[plush turret]

im also assuming something that eats the crap out of a ryzen 2500u wont be as voracious on a 12600k?

[plush turret]

any way to determine that core?

cause it eats my cpu to the point where GTAV runs like a vista computer game

im assuming E cores are less capable than p cores?

nice

all the monitoring programs are set to a single core yet im still getting this:

when i set power settings to performance

[marble nebula]

Animations with sequencer

[modest salmon]

Heya all, I want to upgrade my pc to handle some more heavy stuff in unreal. My last update to my pc was in ..2016. My hardware knowledge kinda stagnated around that time as well, does anyone have any pointers what to get? Budget would be around max 1000 eu if generous. If anything my CPU and GPU need an upgrade and probably the PCU as well to handle the newer GPUs. Would love to hear some advice

It is what im upgrading from yes

I figure stuff like the ram, case, storage is still fine

[fallen oasis]

Depends what you upgrade to.

Your case is probably fine. Storage too.

[modest salmon]

Im kind of totally lost in todays hardware environment so I wouldnt know what to build around

Thats something, thanks

Any idea for a good GPU as well?

wdym with vendor locked here

Ah yeah

Currently im not using anything vendor locked so im pretty flexible in that regard

Ive had bad experienced with amd years ago but seems like that taboo has been kind of lifted

Not been here too long but I believe you

Time to make the switch I suppose

[stark beacon]

Hi i have a question. I was thinking of getting a low spec laptop to test my game to accommodate players who may not having gaming PCs. Any recommendations of what you think the lowest spec or price laptop that would be a reasonable to set the bar. PS this is my second game project and I'm learning from my mistakes of not optimizing properly and excluding more players than I would have liked. (If you have any thoughts on this approach I'm happy to hear as well)

[frank glade]

I think 3050 6gb is a bit better than the old 1060 which was the most popular card on steam

A laptop with a 4070 is probably above average

[median marsh]

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam?platform=pc

look at where you want to draw the line for support, and then decide

also really depends on your game

[modest salmon]

So coming back from having looked at some parts and having picked some (a little arbitrarily), any suggestions to be made to this build?

Those are parts I already have

I mean the hdd and ssd

Ill bump up the RAM like you suggest, may I ask why 64 is needed?

Or maybe even better if I can make a better cpu choice id love to know too

Well, I intend to do gamedev (mainly ue) for the foreseeable future. I guess Id want it to remain relevant as long as possible, but I dont mind if I need to make some upgrades in a couple years

My budget will prob be less tight by that point lol

Lets say 2-3 years

If I need to up the budget by a significant bump to achieve that then i can consider it obviously, i rather wait a month with the upgrade than undermine the longevity of it

I mean the intel thing would work, but it wouldnt last as long would it

So the radeon rx 6650 wouldnt be nice either way

Yeah its at least 520 eu for a RX 7XXX

Doesnt help availability is low either

So for now I got this. I dont mind spending the big bucks if it means I get to enjoy working with it, ill do some more research too

Thanks a ton for the help, really appreciate it :D

Nice article and nice side note, will read when I get back home later

[stark beacon]

Oh that's a really good resource thank you!

[plush turret]

could my ryzen 2500u with vega 8 (1gb gpu?) 24gb and SSD play this?

[plush turret]

If my laptop was updating bios stuff but is stuck on the boot screen how long should i wait to do something

[fallen oasis]

Which boot screen?

[plush turret]

HP logo

[fallen oasis]

Try pressing the bios setup key and just exiting without saving.

[safe epoch]

I'm building a new workstation from scratch
what parts would yall recomend for a 1.5k budget
and
what would make it worth upping the budget to 2k

[silk sundial]

silly question but..

should i get an AMD GPU?

thinking of switching to AMD because Nvidia's pricing and their software is so ridiculous

but I've heard support for AMD GPUs globally just sucks

Blender doesn't support AMD GPUs that well I don't think, which would be a really big issue for me

I really don't wanna buy into Nvidia again, and while I would love to have hardware raytracing support, AMD has that as well even if it's worse

I'm planning on switching to Linux sometime in the future, and I've also noticed AMD's GPUs have more memory than Nvidia's for basically the same price

my budget would be $250 and I'm thinking of getting something like an RX 6650 XT

I have actually noticed RTX 3060s with 12 GBs of VRAM for the same price

i could perhaps get an RX 6700 that has 10 GBs of VRAM and like double the clock of an RTX 3060

but then, AMD

and please in the name of god no one bring up "AMD drivers bad 🤡" because its getting irritating
both AMD's and Nvidia's drivers suck equally, I've had more problems with Nvidia drivers breaking than i can count

in terms of software i would pick AMD in a heartbeat just by seeing how amazing their Adrenalin control panel is compared to Nvidia's Windows 93 panel and their GeForce Experience spyware

AMD compatibility with some software seems to suck from what ive heard though

[silent wyvern]

My 1060 3GB and new 4070 12GB has the same 192-bit memory bus. Fantastic

[fallen oasis]

It's on tick.

[silk sundial]

well.. incompatibility with Blender, possible incompatibility with Unreal

it's just a thing dumb uninformed people splurt out because they didn't uninstall their Nvidia drivers before installing the AMD ones. Either that or they just heard it from someone so they're saying it too (most common)

there are certainly cases of people having really bad driver problems

but that happens for both AMD and Nvidia XD

I literally could not open Blender for a while because the window kept flashing and it was an Nvidia thing

AMD's software in general just seems a lot more thought-out even if they have fuckups here and there

thats just part of software development XD

yeaaa that might be a problem

especially since im an avid Blender enjoyer lmao

I've seen some benchmarks and even some people in the Blender server tell me to just not

and get an Nvidia GPU

[silk sundial]

funnily

it'd be cheaper for me to get an Nvidia GPU here

in this situation

I mean

I don't like Nvidia

lmao

im willing to pay just to not deal with Nvidia

call it brand-loyalty or whatever but I like the way AMD does things a lot more even if their marketting department is just as worse as Nvidia's

damn XD

its still like that?

its like the main reason I haven't switched

I've gone as far as working on my own file manager and video editing software but god damn I'm not going to remake Unreal Engine LMAO

[median marsh]

i wonder, have you used any of the late versions 5.1+ for a reasonable time on linux

it's not perfect, but it's wayyyyyyy better than pre 5.0 era

the major drawbacks are currently that we don't have live coding and gpu lightmass

it won't work on windows vulkan either

so that's more a vulkan than linux issue

probably as much as i care about directx 😄

what? gpu lightmass?

or whole UE?

no, but i doubt that i can spin that off easy as task in proton

does it really spawn it's own process or is it just a task?

the inferior OS where the inbuild backup tool ignores the user directory because of some OneDrive mess?

it doesn't even seem to be too bad if there wasn't that issue

seems to be able to take incremental backups

that sounds like an user/software problem rather than an OS problem

or can you even boot an windows system with full hard drive?

[true void]

[UE5.3.1]
Not sure where else to put this - My editor keeps crashing or malfunctioning on any kind of debug drawing at runtime (1080Ti, latest "Game ready" driver)

1. DirectX12 - Crash at VerifyDirectX12Result()
2. Vulkan - Crash at VerifyVulkanResult()
3. DirectX11 - No crash but rendering completely freezes

What triggers it:

• Anything that does debug drawing at runtime - i.e. line trace with Draw Debug set to anything other than None or showdebug abilitysystem

[torn gulch]

dont know if its the right sub i guess i need software but my windows explorer is incredibly buggy like not responding and stuff

any advice ? thabnks

also f..k one drive omg

already did this but i still have the issue...

https://www.systweak.com/blogs/fix-file-explorer-is-slow-in-windows-11/

[plush turret]

which is technically faster? usb 3.0 2tb flash drive or random 2tb nvme ssd from like samsung

is it also weird i got a zero brand 2tb 3.0 flash drive for like $30? like theres not a single company logo, website, or number on the entire thing or its package

just "made in china"

is it gonna be faster than an hdd?

the flash drive

it can lie to the computer?

interesting

if it didnt then im returning it to amazon

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CF5NFXDC

is there a way to tell if its lying other than waiting 5 hours for the contents of my media drive to transfer 1.8tb?

then get erased

[quick grove]

Guys is amd or geforce recommended for unreal? Help pls. I'm planning to buy a new gpu :!

[plush turret]

you mean nvidia?

[opaque pond]

nvidia by far it looks like

[quick grove]

oh nbut people keep recommend nvdia 😮

is it true? is it good for unreal?

[silent wyvern]

Even Epic uses Nvidia GPU and Amd CPU. Epic employee confirmed

[mighty cosmos]

not specifically better with Nvidia for UE, I've used both amd and nvidia GPUs with UE just fine

nothing in UE is vendor locked

[dreamy saffron]

a HI everyone! I started using UE5 few weeks ago on the M1 air but I want to switch to my desktop where I have i5 6 generation. Is there anyone with this CPU, who can recommend GPU up to 300 EUR? (I plan to buy a much better pc closer to the premiere of the Wither 4 😉 )

[dreamy saffron]

thank you 🙂

[tired prairie]

Ahoy ye slackers
I just got an ASUS TUF 4090, but it's the overclocked version. Is it actually any different from a standard card though? I don't need or want the overclock, so can I just set it to normal and use it as a regular card?

[mighty cosmos]

The overclocks are very minimal on aftermarket cards
Would just leave it as is, won't do any harm really

[tired prairie]

So no signifcant differences in power draw or temp?

[mighty cosmos]

very minimal if any

pretty much all 4090s have overkill cooling so you are good either way

[rough hound]

Hei guys, can you help me whice engine suit for my pc? Im using i3 4130 16GB ram rx570 4gb, can i run UE5.3?

[plush turret]

not with that cpu, i have a marginally better one and it has issues running 4.27

main problem is the dual cores, its fast enough, but your gonna have some really really long load times

[rough hound]

So, its better to use 4.27 for me?

[plush turret]

i wouldnt, a better rig would work

[rough hound]

Any suggest for game engine for me? Specially for make 3d open world game?

[plush turret]

truth is unreal is a resource hog that will kill anything less than a gaming rig

godot

its nowhere near as powerful but a raspberry pi can run it

[rough hound]

Godot? Okay, i will try it later, thanks @plush turret

[fresh fog]

Youre gonna struggle in any engine making such a game btw

Godot also isn't built for 3d open world games

[crisp kernel]

No game engine is perfect, but the most accessible for a beginner to make a hi-fi graphic game is Unreal at the moment.

[rough hound]

Yeah, i want to learn from basic, i just have experience at rpg maker series

Maybe i will try to use UE4, and see if my pc can handle

[silent wyvern]

Unreal is perfect

[devout pendant]

The server {8CFC164F-4BE5-4FDD-94E9-E2AF73ED4A19} did not register with DCOM within the required timeout.

This is the logged event when the computer rebooted. I was generating images with bing, then suddenly this happened.

[devout pendant]

found corrupted files

[safe epoch]

hey folks
I have a spare but outdated tower (i7 with a gtx1070)
Looking for tips / suggestions on what i can best use it for both in and outside of game dev

always a good option

just wondering if i can use it to support unreal dev beyond serving data

like even though its relatively slow, using it to compile something
or later down the line automated tests

@iron zenith yeah potentially worth trying, thanks!

[median marsh]

depending on what hardware you target with your UE projects it might be a good test machine

[mighty lotus]

people like you are the reason why apple gets away with giving usb 2.0

[obtuse rapids]

So here's a novel thought - I need a 4090 for my main rig - but I also want a laptop for semi-mobile stuff (like traveling but once you get there you'll be in the same place)

I'm pretty sure my main rig has thunderbolt 3 or whatever is needed (if not I'd drop in a card to do so) - but couldn't I get a gaming laptop with a moderate gpu (like a 4060/4070) - so I could do some light project work in it, but then hook up the EGPU if I really needed to? https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-WATERFORCE-Thunderbolt-GV-N4090IXEB-24GD-External/dp/B0C8LS7PT2/ref=sr_1_1?crid=13LUKN93JZHNH&keywords=gigabyte%2Baorus%2Bgaming%2Bbox&qid=1696612911&s=pc&sprefix=gigabyte%2Baorus%2Bgaming%2Bbox%2Ccomputers%2C134&sr=1-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.17f26c18-b61b-4ce9-8a28-de351f41cffb&th=1

[obtuse rapids]

I really, really want the Parsec route to work. I have 2014 i7 laptop, super old and needs to be taken out to a pasture to retire - but does parsec somehow take advantage of the more modern laptop CPU's for it's processing.

Basically, if I test remote work via Parsec on that old laptop and I'm not happy with the experience, is there any reason to expect an improvement on a newer laptop??? (I don't see how there could be.)

[median marsh]

and/or no h265 hardware encoding

[obtuse rapids]

But wouldn't that only matter for the hosting machine?

[median marsh]

yes

[devout pendant]

buying something like that off amazon is wild

[frank glade]

Is this the best budget option for UE? https://bestware.com/en/intel-nuc-x15-arc.html 1000E and you get 12gb of vram

[winter quail]

What would be the optimal CPU to feed 4090 in the context of UE5? Ryzen 7, 9? With or without 3D cache? I dont want to over pay for that and treadripper feels like an overkill.

[winter quail]

I remember reading an article about the 3D bit that it helps with compile time. I plan to use my new rig for 5+ years, the extra lanes on TreadRipper would not be utilised. And ofcourse I do play games and I like VR.

[winter quail]

I know that having 1K FPS in CS:GO is not very relevant but I want to future proof myself. I will not be buying RTX 5000 or 6000. Currently I am on gaming laptop with Intel 10875 and 2070S and it cooks when just sitting idle in UE5 editor.

[frigid heath]

best way to futureproof is keeping that money in the pocket 😛

[frank glade]

With this inflation??

[frigid heath]

also high interest rate

not in my pocket tho

[wild hill]

Guys, what graphic card is matched with 7900x CPU?
I decide to go with AMD for CPU 🙂

[violet spade]

https://pcpartpicker.com

I used that

[wild hill]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gFYpHG

I'd like to go with 4070Ti 😁 4090 is tooo expensive to me

[frank glade]

Why not a 7900xt for the vram?

[median marsh]

i would probably prefer a 4060 16GB over a 4070 12GB

[mighty cosmos]

Imo I would consider 7900xt if you are looking at 4070/4080

The 4090 is the only card that doesn't have a good alternative from AMD, for 4070/4080 I would seriously consider amds options

[wild hill]

Well, I would consider about 7900xt, but is it supporting ray tracing?

[wild hill]

Hmm, I think about that before, event old 3 series with more RAM, but I think 4GB to trade the performance does not worth it.

[frank glade]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/nvidia-geforce-40-series-vs-amd-radeon-7000-for-content-creation/#Game_DevVirtual_Production_Unreal_Engine yes but nvidia still is on top in UE

[wild hill]

Yeah! And if dlss is required for the newbie indie dev of UE5 🙂 I see dlss is belonging to RTX only.

[frank glade]

huh possibley. some older 6900xt benchmarks are much more favorable

[mighty cosmos]

something is 100% wrong with that benchmark

considering it deviates so far from any other benchmarks

[median marsh]

eventually drivers improved since february, too!?

[thorny oak]

Most likely, hard to say how much UE performance has changed since then due to drivers specifically but the benchmarks from puget do not appear to be accurate anyways.

[thorny oak]

Yes they do support raytracing in UE, there were some issues for a little while with 5.1 but they have been resolved. Their hybrid approach doesn't offer the same level of performance as nvidia in raytracing but it's well within 'good enough' for balanced implementations. In my testing, AMD seems to scale with nanite and software lumen better than nvidia does and also doesn't have DPC latency regressions in their drivers on a re-occurring basis (this has been going on since Kepler...)
Realistically, these are all relatively minor differences and either choice will be fine for the vast majority of use-cases. The only real outlier imo is virtual production with ndisplay, don't have a choice in that case.

[wild hill]

Thanks for the detailed info, I really appreciate it. It seems AMD video card has improved more and more better when working with UE5, though I decide to go RTX.

[tawdry drum]

My wife and I are lookin' for a decent enough drawing tablet for use with Blender. Any suggestions?

She said she wants to be able to be mobile

I'd imagine without a screen, she'd need to be hooked up to the computer

She was looking at the Surface Pro

I think the Wacom she saw was like 2-3k - which is definitely outside the budget

[frank glade]

Intuos pro in small if you want to be mobile. I watch this guy's reviews for comparisons: https://youtube.com/@thebradcolbow?si=UB9hIcnbFfuA-_1R

[tawdry drum]

We only have towers, no laptops

[frank glade]

Basically nothing beats ipad + procreate for drawing, but surface pro or surface laptop studio come close

I think you mean a 2in1 or windows tablet

[tawdry drum]

The only drawing tablet we've had was a huion something and that required to be hooked up to the tower

[frank glade]

Not an actual drawing tablet like intuos

[frank glade]

Asus flow x13 or z13 are in third place, solely on pen quality

[frank glade]

Also msi summit 16 seems to have an ok pen. But I would get a surface laptop studio 2 or the flow x13

They did some upgrades in last gens

I think it's 9 now

But they don't have a dedicated gpu I think

[tawdry drum]

So, she's willing to compromise it seems. Mostly due to budget reasons - so this was the one that seemed decent enough quality? https://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Digital-Graphic-Drawing-PTH660/dp/B01MQU5LW7?th=1

[frank glade]

https://youtu.be/PKsZR1ihNNg?si=I24tBi1TG3MCgH3K you have to decide on a balance between drawing quality and weak specs

[frank glade]

Now im confused - was it surface pro like tablets for mobility or a normal drawing tablet to hook up to a laptop?

But I think you can also use the gliding nibs instead of the rough ones

[tawdry drum]

We are shopping around. She just said that she wanted to be able to get up from the computer and move around. And stuff like that. Which is why she was looking at the surface pro. The only drawing thing she's had was some Hurion tablet that had to be hooked up to a tower/laptop

She doesn't want a lot of cables, because that one definitely did and was annoying

But if it's outside of the budget, she is fine with not having a completely standalone thing.

[frank glade]

Mine is going strong, but it's like an intuos 5 from ages ago. Still on nib #1

[tawdry drum]

I'm having trouble finding comparisons for the sizes

[frank glade]

Medium is like an 15 inch laptop I guess

[tawdry drum]

I was hoping to find them like, on the desk in comparsion or something

Ugghh

lol

[frank glade]

The battery on mine did die and can't hold a charge anymore..cant seem to find a replacement either

[tawdry drum]

Why do you regret getting the medium btw?

Welp - drawing pads are out. She definitely prefers to draw on the screen directly.

She made that pretty clear 😅

[frank glade]

You can get a wacom one with a screen, but you do need to hook it up to a laptop

[tawdry drum]

I only just learned how important it was to her 😅

[torn gulch]

don't know if it's the right place but did anyone achieved using the special config buttons with the mx master 3 in unreal ?

[runic frost]

Hi, My 2070S Spikes to 99% from 1-5% simply for setting UE5 Editor into focus. Is that normal?
My specs aren't that bad...

[opaque pond]

yes

[runic frost]

Thanks. Someone told me the same earlier

[frank glade]

Should I try to use a neo qled tv (55 inch, 8k res) as a monitor? 🤔

[wild hill]

Is 3090ti with more vram better than 4080 for UE5?

[median marsh]

depends on what you do in UE

[opaque pond]

my computer really doesnt like 1440p ultrawide ue5 dev

[obtuse rapids]

What do we think about buying a used macbook air to parsec in for some light remote work - the main use case though would be doing documentation - so I would use parsec to snag screenshots in the editor, but mainly spend most of the time in Notion

[obtuse rapids]

It's also for gen purpose but to be highly mobile. I've been convinced about not getting an expensive gaming laptop for mobile dev work

[winter quail]

Macbooks are pretty much a crossover between Chromebooks and jewellery

I building a new rig, It's likely to be quite loud when baking. How long can I have DP cable before there are any issues? Is it worth to pay for "premium" cables? I plan to leave my PC in another room, so ... well..

Signal goes out of 4090 into Samsung CRG9

distance around 10m

USB gets dodgy at around 15m

My screen runs 120hz via DP and "only" 100 via HDMI

thas why I want to go via DP

Official specs say something around roughly 15m for 1080p

I wont go for like Amazon Basics but also not spending $100 on a bunch of wires 😄

aaa I remember one USB cable for "audiophiles"

Thats for 1m USB cable 😄

[winter quail]

I just find audiophiles funny 😄

[hardy marten]

my UPS decides to turn off and on all of a sudden and now my monitor doesn't recognize the PC

what do I do?

powering down everything and starting them up again doesn't work

[median marsh]

sounds like self test?! no idea how to fix your issue tho if powering down everything didn't help

did you touch anything physically so that a cable could have got loose?!

[frank glade]

one time I moved my unit around and my DAC just stopped working, no matter the input

used the warranty and got a replacement. it was just a coincidence it broke at that time

[median marsh]

sounds like some cold soldering point

which happened to loose contact when you moved it

my UPS is probably 20 years old now 😄 (even has serial instead of USB interface)

manual dates to 1998 so i guess it checks out

[thorny oak]

guessing you replaced the battery?

[median marsh]

if someone needs a reliable UPS, you'll find it in your local museum 😄

same battery is still used in modern UPS, recently got another more modern one which just had a faulty battery (exactly the same battery as in my current)

but the newer one has a weaker DC/AC converter so i'll keep the old one

i feel like those are some of the devices which didn't evolve much in the last years

[frank glade]

oh I have a ted ups, but idk if something is wrong or not. we get spikes of low voltage and it takes care of that, but also micro seconds of zero power and sometimes it still resets my pc

[median marsh]

it should catch that actually

i think the response time is listed in the manual

Transfer Time: 4 ms typical.

something like this

[frank glade]

yeah it sometimes does, sometimes doesn't

[thorny oak]

yeah like you noticed with the converter, the newer designs might not be as robust from trying to save what they can on component costs

[median marsh]

the newer APC i got is 10-12 milliseconds

so worse than the old thing

also in my experience old stuff has a greater chance to be repairable

new PCBs are all SMD and fricking lead free soldered

so you almost fry half of the parts while taking out a damaged one

[hardy marten]

looks like a bios issue, resetting the cmos battery helped

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqqzcAAH3OQ

[thorny oak]

they are going to be in a tough spot with e-cores against area-optimized zen 4c too...

[lethal geode]

anyone know why im getting this error when plugging in a docking station with usb-c

[lethal geode]

Update: I got it working but it only works with usbs and not hdmi cables...

[slender shell]

anyone excited to see details about the new threadrippers tomorrow?

new rippers' dropping tomorrow. should have pro and non-pro versions. rumor to have up to 96 cores

[plush frigate]

hey guys i want to buy a monitor to do 3d art (i do it with a 50euro monitor) and idk what is good, idk if its better to go for a 4k or a 1440p. Ive seen the asus proart, but sometimes i like to game and idk to get something higher than 60hz (i have 60 now, and idk if its that worth it to high it up)

[crisp kernel]

All of them are very expensive, right?

[crisp kernel]

For gaming, yes. For work, no.

The fact is you need to choose better color/resolution with IPS or gaming with higher refresh rates. You can get both but very expensive. Don't get curved one for work especially you are going to do something 2d or texture.

[plush frigate]

hmm i understand. What do you think about ProArt Display PA279CV? or theres any better out there? I have this one for like 480 euros

[crisp kernel]

What is your budget?

[plush frigate]

something like that around 500 euros

[plush frigate]

forgot to tag

[crisp kernel]

I haven't tried ProArt PA279CV, but in my office, I'm using Dell U2723QE which is pretty good for work.

[plush frigate]

what ive seen of proart is that came with srgb 100% and rec 709 100% and it came calibrated

[crisp kernel]

Dell is the same. I mean the specs are very similar, just pick a cheaper one in your local shops/online shops.

[plush frigate]

of that 2 the proart is cheaper

[plush frigate]

and what do you think 4k is really necesary or 1440p is enought?

[crisp kernel]

What is the main work you are going to do?

If you are going to edit some 4k videos, yeah, I think it is better to have a 4k

[median marsh]

imho 1440p is enough for 27"

[plush frigate]

3d modelling and rendering, i usually do render at 4k but idk

[wind egret]

I haven't encountered anything I can do on 1440p that I couldn't do on 1080p (except get good gaming framerates)

[crisp kernel]

You know both of them are really for video/movie makers.

[median marsh]

4k just makes trouble since not every software correctly supports DPI scaling etc.

[crisp kernel]

decent color gamut, 4k

[plush frigate]

i mainly use blender and unreal engine, idk if those have good scaling

[crisp kernel]

Then 1440 is enough

Even 1080 could do😛 You may save the money for higher refresh rates and maybe even active sync

[wind egret]

Save money for a second monitor and combine with your old for a stereotypical movie hacker setup

[frank glade]

not if you get a 4k 42 inch monitor, no dpi scaling needed 😛

[plush frigate]

what do you think is best to focus on? to be 100 srgb and rec 709? (like for colours acuraccy). Maybe hdr10? idk

[crisp kernel]

HDR is very lame on windows so far. Don't think about it unless you are getting 1000 nits or above. Or just wasting money

For color gamut, it reeally depends. I don't think in game industry it is that important.

[wind egret]

For your budget, everything should have rec 709, HDR is pointless, and it's a struggle to find something large enough that 4k is comfortable.

[plush frigate]

and what it would be better oled or ips?

[wind egret]

You can't afford OLED.

[median marsh]

pva imho

[plush frigate]

oh.. sadness

[crisp kernel]

in your budget, if you want higher referesh rates, ips is a bit difficult.

But only for work, then maybe I prefer IPS

[wind egret]

IPS has painful ghosting even at high refresh rates, so VA monitors might be a good compromise if you want to work on fast motion without your eyes glazing over.

[median marsh]

also with IPS you can see each pixel if you got good eyes xD

which can be annoying, too

[crisp kernel]

That's not for me, my eye-sight is terrible😆

[plush frigate]

i mean i have ips now at 60hz, fhd, 22.5 (i think) and i dont really see them

[crisp kernel]

You may stick on this spec though

Just maybe getting a higher color gamut one.

Well, 22.5 inch is too small for me, lol

[wind egret]

Had a 20", it was smol. Would've been decent in multi-monitor though.

[plush frigate]

why not a 1440? isnt it better than a 1080?

[crisp kernel]

Yeah, it is. but if you want to use both, it is a pain

[median marsh]

why?

i use 1x 1440p and 2x 1080p

[crisp kernel]

For windows, you have to setup different resolution?

But anyway, different sizes are even more painful, lol

[median marsh]

and i wouldn't want one of the 1080p as main screen, the extra vertical space is a big plus of 1440p

[crisp kernel]

For work, I prefer a pair of same model.

[plush frigate]

transpassing an app to another screen is a pain? or it works fine in windows? (not a full screen or game app tho)

idk if transpassing is the right word xD

[crisp kernel]

for instance, a 4k one you are very likely to have bigger font and move the app between two screens are just very weird for me. Anyway, as I said I just use 2 same spec monitors for work which feels comfortable.

Back to your question, I'm sure if you get a 1440p is a better choice if still in your budget. The old monitor is too small for collaboration but could be a sub monitor.

[plush frigate]

yeah i want it to use the old monitor to look at videos or things like that, or have the color pallete or stuff like that

what do you think is a good monitor brand? @crisp kernel

[crisp kernel]

Asus and Dell are pretty good. Acer could also be a choice.

LG or Samsung

is a bit difficult to say

I think the quality control for LG is not that good. Someone got the monitors broken soon, but someone's just working fine.

[plush frigate]

hmm okey and so to resume when im searching for one just look to have a good srgb and rec 709 for colors and that should do it?

[crisp kernel]

Yeah, if higher refresh rates, it is better. HDR is pointless.

[plush frigate]

ok and the chromatic precision of ΔE<2 is something or not that important?

[crisp kernel]

BTW, in our company, highest level monitors are Eizo, if you have any idea of this brand.

[plush frigate]

btw there is a difference or getting one with amd freesyng and gsync? (i have a 3090)

[plush frigate]

no i dont, ill look it up and die with the prices xD

[crisp kernel]

Playing games, yes.

[crisp kernel]

If you are a photographer or movie maker, then definitely yes.

[plush frigate]

is important that the monitor comes with pre calibrated colors? sorry for making this many questions xD

[plush frigate]

hmm ok i understand, thanks for the info ❤️

[crisp kernel]

Same question as above. You can calibrate it yourself with a certain device if you want.

[plush frigate]

hm okey i understand, thanks a lot for your help, i really apreaciate it ❤️ it helped a lot. And to all that responded previous aswell

[wind egret]

If you're really concerned about color accuracy, you also need to worry about your room lighting.

[crisp kernel]

No worries. I don't know that a lot of monitor specs until starting the current job. We are doing virtual productions and the artist here are very keen on colors...

The color calibration they do in the studio is pretty strict. No one can getting in or out during that period. And even need to do everytime with the camera lens changed, lol

[plush frigate]

really? it affects that much?

[crisp kernel]

Yeah, think about you have 6500k or 1800k light in the room, lol

[plush frigate]

oh intersting. I am studying colors aswell, but i dont think i need something that much as a professional photographer or cinema maker

[wind egret]

If you're comparing the color of anything on-screen with what's off-screen, the connection is obvious.

Less obvious is that:

[crisp kernel]

Not at all if just making games.

[wind egret]

a. You might adjust your monitor because it looks off, when it's actually your room. (But if you trust that it's already calibrated, you wouldn't do this, right?)
b. You might think a scene is too warm or cold and adjust it, when it's your real room that is too warm or cold in comparison.

[plush frigate]

yeah games and sometimes short animations or renders

[crisp kernel]

Or having a monitor light cover.
https://www.eizo.co.jp/products/ac/lcd_hood/

[wind egret]

There is a certain irony in having a lot of faith in color reproduction, only for your game to be run on an army of computers that will almost all have the wrong settings.

[plush frigate]

btw one last question, what is a good cd/m2 ilumination of a monitor? 400? 300?

[crisp kernel]

higher is better.

[wind egret]

That reminds me, IPS tends to have poor black levels and evenness.

[plush frigate]

what is better than ips then? (something that is not oled bc is too expensive)

[plush frigate]

ok ty

[crisp kernel]

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/dell-ultrasharp-27-4k-usb-c-hub-monitor-u2723qe/apd/210-bcxk/monitors-monitor-accessories
I do really enjoy the IPS black for this monitor though. It is a bit higher than your budget, but it is worthy.

[wind egret]

For game dev, you can avoid it by not making dark scenes. Most game engines don't do well with them anyway (see: raytracing, lumen, lightmapping). It's more of an HDR/film-making thing.

[crisp kernel]

Honestly, it is very annoying to have a totally black scene in game.

Unless you have something cinematic.

[plush frigate]

hmm so there are ips with good black aswell

[plush frigate]

yeah me too, i hate when games says "get brightness down till u dont see the logo" and if you do you see literally nothing on the f game

is va better than ips? i saw is a bit cheaper and it says has good blacks

[crisp kernel]

It is a pretty good monitor if you want to do more general art stuff not only game though.

[crisp kernel]

Yeah, if you are not watching the monitor from the side, VA is also okay.

[plush frigate]

hmm okey thanks ill take a look at them too

[median marsh]

i think it's more about having a reference value which is somewhat sane

some may have it darker/brighter than you etc...

[fresh fog]

I'm ngl. I've got an IPS panel monitor and the blacks are amazing on it. If you want a great 1080p monitor check out the AOC 24g2u/bk

Other than that, for 1440p and 4k the Asus ProArt is pretty good

[left ivy]

👏 guys

Help me please with configuration of my laptop I’m buying

I want it to be laptop, not pc, yes. Main purpose is game development, unreal engine, c++ and possibly anything else like Unity or Godot.

I’ve chosen the Alienware M18

I feel like having the best Intel Processor and best RTX video card. But there is also storage, memory. I don’t know how important this is.

Can I locate my unreal projects in the cloud or on my USB flash drive? Or the only option is the storage?

I have around 3.5k for the laptop. No more, no less.

It’d be very helpful to see your opinion! Please help 🙏

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/alienware-m18-gaming-laptop/spd/alienware-m18-r1-laptop

Here is the link where you can see the configuration options for this laptop I’m referring to

Also, maybe I should sacrifice the screen size for better hardware parts in some ways? I’m talking about M16 model.
Here is the similar link: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/alienware-m16-gaming-laptop/spd/alienware-m16-r1-laptop

[frank glade]

My tip is compare gpu wattage on notebookcheck because some cards will be weaker than others, and try to go for 64gb of ram

[fresh fog]

My tip would also be to not get Alienware. They are overpriced as hell

[fallen oasis]

The Mac of the PC world.

[opaque pond]

i got the lemon of the laptop world

could be worse

[frank glade]

I would get one of those nice thinkpad workstations with quadros, but dunno if it 3.5k is enough

[slender shell]

I guess i'm a bit crazy for wanting to buy 7980x 64c threadripper for $5k 😅

[fresh fog]

We all have our pipedreams 🥲
Personally I want to play with one of those 128c epyc processors

[fallen oasis]

My 3975 is so outdated now!

[hardy marten]

I can barely find a use for my R9 7900X

[opaque pond]

how so?

[hardy marten]

never seen it go past 50% usage

that'll probably change soon

but so far never

[opaque pond]

i've never seen my cpu below 50%

xd

[hardy marten]

noice I'll check it out

[hardy marten]

which one?

[opaque pond]

ryzen 5 4500

[hardy marten]

laptop?

[opaque pond]

yeah

suboptimal you could say

[sharp pumice]

I'm thinking about upgrading my GPU from GTX 1070 ti to either 4090 or 7900 xtx.
I have Ryzen 9 5950X CPU and 64 gb ram, would those two GPU's be considered an overkill for that spec?

Also is AMD a clear winner here when it comes to bang for buck? I would appreciate any recommendation / insight.

[devout pendant]

I would opt for seamlessness and choose Nvidia

[mighty cosmos]

I'm using a 4090 with a 5950x, in some games it very slightly bottlenecks it at 1440p, but depends on the game, more often than not it doesn't
If you can afford the 4090 I would get the 4090, otherwise 7900xtx is a really good "alternative", you are missing out on some features like cuda (which you will most likely not use if you are not doing specific things like AI), frame gen, and some new stuff like ray reconstruction which there is only a single game that supports it at the moment 😅

[mighty cosmos]

both amd and nvidia are seamless in UE

I've used both

[opaque pond]

amd has frame gen too now

[opaque pond]

its not frame gen

its anti lag

[violet spade]

https://youtube.com/shorts/DPbfBTzR-Tw?si=fO50T8HHVhnn67c3

[frank glade]

I just transplated my pc, gotta strip it down again to put more thermal paste

[fallen oasis]

I'm never taking my pc apart. It's too heavy and expensive.

[violet spade]

I wouldn’t put it past them

[violet spade]

Ah, you must’ve purchased one of those crappy $5000 ones 😀

[plush turret]

has corsair just discontinued the RM1000e? i cant seem to find an official "new" one

[sleek grove]

How is a 2080 TI for UE5? Currently rocking a 1070 Ti and it falls a bit short from where I'd like it to.

[thorny oak]

not bad if you can get it for a good price, it's not a massive uplift in performance over a 1070ti but it's decent, I'd say you could expect a 30-40% uplift

the extra vram is probably the most useful part

[spice girder]

only if you know a good source of a used on. I would try to get a more newer one(AMD rx 6000/7000 series or Nvidia rtx 3000/4000) with 12gb of vram. It will probably be the better investment in the long run, because of gpu power and vram size. But look at benchmarks and compare the gpu's (pugetsystems.com/ has good benchmarks )

[sleek grove]

Hard to find consistent benchmarks. PugetSystems only does 4.26 from what I can tell. "GameGPU" - idk how legit - has tested valley and the rainforest demo, with the rainforest demo only at ultra where majority of gpus produce sub 20 fps at even 1080p, and a 2080 Ti was about 6700XT level of perf. The valley demo results seem to be more useful, with 2080 Ti somewhat faster than a 6700XT. Probably more surprising is that they also tested a GTX 1080 for valley and it was about half that of the valley of the ancient result. I don't think that demo uses any RT. Then, there was some 8K texture / RT benchmark where at extreme settings the 2080 Ti just gave up, though it doesn't reflect reality.

yep, not only is there more overhead, there can also be other editor windows open

[fallen oasis]

Yeah. 😦

Well, the $2500 ones.

[violet spade]

I hope not that Alienware with super bad air flow or the Walmart or Amazon ones 😬

[fallen oasis]

I wouldn't buy alienware if you paid me.

Well, maybe I would if you bought it for me.

[quick grove]

Hi guys is there any recommended 30 series??

Is 3060 good?

For its price

Any 30 series is good?

480

Oh so just wondering, what's icore compatible for 3060??

No Laura I mean like

What processor should I buy for 3060? Haha

Sorry

[wind egret]

A 7950X

[quick grove]

Unreal blender cyberpunk haha

Unreal engine

Idk what you really meant sorry

Sorry are you using i7???

Oh. BP but maybe cpp soon

Level design as well

What processor u use?

Oh wow you're using i9 and it is 1.5k??

Must be really good

Oh ok. Sorry but may I know what GPU Ur using pls?

Omg...

Hmm haha thanks btw!

40 series too ex for me

Radeon? Okok thankss. It's compatible with 30 series, yes?

[wind egret]

Radeon is the AMD GPU brand.

... I suppose it's not specifically incompatible with another GPU.

[quick grove]

Oh sorry I meant like the processor, is it compatible with geforce GPU ahaha.

[quick grove]

Thank you for the warning!!

Oh so amd > geforce? Okok I take note of that as well

Ndivia TAX???

Oh I see. What about amd for unreal?

Ohhh I see . Ok I don't. Want that

Hahaha sorry

Ok thankss.

[quick grove]

Look! I took your word for it

I just bought thiz

Hope this is good

[frank glade]

Why not the 16gb version?

[median marsh]

i doubt that laura recommended a 4060 8GB

[quick grove]

Really sorry that I misinterpreted of what you said . So that's not a good news ....

[quick grove]

They didn't have one 😦

Fk!! Okok I'll do that

I hope they accept refunds

I always thought people praise 4060 😭

Hahah guess I got the info wrong

[frank glade]

wasn't that 3060

[quick grove]

Nooo dammit. I just saw 3060 non ti on that list. I got convinced so easily by the shop owner

To buy 4060

Sorry this is really my fault

Okok next pay, I will buy 3060 NON TI

[quick grove]

Or just stupid....

If I were to troll, why would I spend that much 😦

[wind egret]

There are 3060s with only 8GB now, aren't there?

[wind egret]

That Intel A770 looks nice...

[quick grove]

Ok noted! Thank you. Will never buy 8gb vram in a future!

Will buy Radeon one now. Since so many people against geforce

[frank glade]

But so many people against amd too 😅

[thorny oak]

the shop owner that talked them into buying that 4060ti sure will be

[covert tundra]

having issues with path tracing with 3060 ti.no path tracing option on ue 5.2 and 5.3..my rig has 2 more cards,1 1080ti and a 1070

[median marsh]

check the startup logs on which card is picked

beside of that... unless you have a threadripper or xeon, at least one card is stealing pci express lanes from the other...

[covert tundra]

thanks for the response.the cpu is a threadripper

how do i check start up logs?

[median marsh]

they are in your project save directory within the logs path

and i think you can see the log in the output log of unreal when it's started

[covert tundra]

thanks,will check this out

[covert tundra]

ive seen the logs.it sees all cards but chooses the 1080

thanks for the suggestion.will try this out,will this mean that the other 2 cards are disabled now?

let me try that.theres nothing on the config files one can change to make that easier..i appreciate your help

[wild hill]

Guys, is DDR4 3200 ok for UE5, I have a limit budget

[wind egret]

Yes.

[wild hill]

Good!

I’d purchase 64Gb DDR4 3200.

[wild hill]

Finally, I purchased my new PC with a limited budget, wait for the delivery of all pieces

[plush turret]

congrats im still buying my bit by bit

[plush turret]

hehe

im assuming that even with the higher actual capacity of the desktop it wont actually generate as much heat

doing the same things that is

oh and im getting 4tb

[thorny oak]

it will generate more overall heat if it draws more wattage, no way around that

[fallen oasis]

Superconductors

[plush turret]

the new desktop cpu vs the old laptop cpu.

currently a work program thats always running is running the laptop cpu at 60-90% capacity at 2ghz

and its causing the laptop to throw off enough heat to warm a 14 foot by 12 foot office by around 7 degrees

[thorny oak]

the average wattage drawn is still likely to going to be lower with the laptop

however, if it spends less time under load due to tasks completing then maybe it won't be too much different

[wild hill]

Bit by bit, haha

[thorny oak]

the 2500u is targeting 15-30 watts, 12700k ~125-190 watts and runs well outside of the idealized power curves that a laptop processor targets. It's going to generate a ton of heat but it will be less concentrated/you won't be handling the PC so your perception of real heat output will be different.

[wind egret]

I have a weak desktop that idles at almost 50-70 watts. Probably similar to what that laptop burns at top speed.

[plush turret]

Tbh idk if its going to be any better but what the hell

[normal cairn]

Anyone got some ideas as to what might cause a CPU to run ungodly hot (and consequently shut off) after start up after being off for hours (over night)? My PC, about a week or two ago, started shutting itself off after I turn it on in the mornings and this morning I was able to get Ryzen Master open and see my Ryzen 9 7950x was at 112C before it shut off. Idk if it's a bug in the measuring of that program, but after running some stress tests and monitoring temps through Ryzen Master and CPUIDHardWare monitor, it never went above 95C. I've got a 360mm liquid cooler. No apparent issues with it. And I don't live in a volcano, so not sure why it would be running that hot on start up. It's usually just on the first start up. Afterwards it's just hanging out at ~39C.

Also a possibility these CPU temps are a red herring and it's not actually running hot and there's something else causing it to shut down

[mighty cosmos]

I had one of the temp apps show 150C on my 5950x, lets say it was probably not at 150C 😆
95C under load for your cpu is normal, unless your AIO is randomly dying and it overheats the cpu

[normal cairn]

I haven't noticed any issues with the AIO. It's running seemingly fine when my pc goes poof

and is it expected for a cpu to overheat in a couple minutes while doing nothing (in a situation of no cooling)?

[mighty cosmos]

without any sort of cooler on it will overheat within seconds/minutes pretty much

[normal cairn]

this is a pita to debug since it only happens after my PC has been off for hours 🥲

[mighty cosmos]

It's weird, considering temps are normal under load it shouldn't be overheating unless the aio is randomly giving up which also sounds odd

[thorny oak]

I wouldn't count out the AIO, they can act very weird and unpredictable

even though it's a relatively simple device...

I tried it a few times but they never really lasted more than 2 years and the heat soak was not good for extended all core loads

though on the other hand, I think AIO's are supposed to be much more reliable these days too, always a chance of random bad luck with anything

[mighty cosmos]

the thing is even if the AIO died and it wasn't running at all, it wouldn't overheat the CPU at idle

it would sit at like 90C but wouldn't shut down

there is enough thermal mass there where it wouldn't overheat it

[thorny oak]

you think so?

[mighty cosmos]

for sure

I had my AIO stop for a bit, suspecting bubble in the pump and I was even playing a game and the CPU was at 100C, did not shut down, even while under load with an AIO that wasn't running

[thorny oak]

that's a good point, it should be able to throttle itself to deal with the situation

[mighty cosmos]

That was my case, I don't think it would overheat if their AIO shut down, very unlikely but I wouldn't rule it out completely

[thorny oak]

true, the failures I had weren't causing shutdowns either, temps were just much worse than they had been before

[plush turret]

my only worry temp wise is what my idle temp is

enough work and i can duct negative pressure to the air out

[thorny oak]

temp =/= the amount of energy that has to be dissipated into the ambient environment

you can have one CPU at 60 degrees and another at 90, if the 60 degree CPU is consuming more watts then it's generating more heat. CPU temperature is just an indication of how efficiently the energy is being transferred, not an indication of how much energy is being transferred in total.

You best bet will be undervolting. The 1200 series is configure for maximum clock speeds at all costs by default. You can greatly increase efficiency with undervolting and real-world performance difference will be minimal.

[finite dock]

awesome - thanks @iron zenith

[wild hill]

Oh 14th Gen

[crisp kernel]

How are the price for 14th Gen CPU like 14900K or 14700K?

Hmmm, 14900k is much more expensive than 7950x

13900K here is like about 8-10% higher than 7950x

[mighty cosmos]

Honestly if you don't need a new cpu this moment I would just wait for 8th gen Ryzen, it's bound to be better than 14th gen intel

Think so yeah, depends how long they can wait

If they don't need the cpu right now it might be worth it

[crisp kernel]

No, I'm not going to buy any CPU right now. Plus my mother board won't support either latest Intel or AMD.

I probably wait for the new gen of AMD

[mighty cosmos]

If the leaks are anything to believe 8th gen might be a decent upgrade over 7th gen

[crisp kernel]

So it is going to be Zen 5?

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah

[mighty cosmos]

It's gonna force intel to step up again at least, that's good

[crisp kernel]

Is 14th Gen still Intel 7?

I mean Zen 5 is going to be 4nm even 3nm I guess?

[finite dock]

isnt this always the case with everything though? There's always something better around the corner that if you wait just a little longer it'll be better?

[wind egret]

Not if you were waiting for Intel 14th 'gen'

[quick grove]

Hi guys

The one that I highlighted, is that motherboard? That goes with those three processesors?

[opaque pond]

it goes with any of the 4 cpus

only 1 tho

[quick grove]

Ok thanks!!

So nice for them to include them in

[opaque pond]

7700 is the general recommendation cause it includes a cooler and draws less power

7800x3d is the best for gaming

[quick grove]

This sounds really ideal as I need it for the game Dev as well. Thank you for this insight

Looks like I'm buying 7700 haha

Btw look! Pls tell me this is a good deal? I was searching for 7700xt but this looks cheap for something that powerful

Is it worth it? 7700xt cost about 700

It's ok. In USD how much is this normally? 😮

[crisp kernel]

It's very sad that Japan is not in the list😂
The price of PC parts in japan is very harsh

The root of the evil is some dealer called ask making so much money for just dealing the PC parts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/il0qrr/rtx_3000_series_japanese_prices_absolutely_insane/

[quick grove]

oh ok i take note of that hahaha. thanks 😄

[mighty cosmos]

Wouldn't say to wait if 14th gen intel was anything but a disappointment

[thorny oak]

yeah it is important to factor in total platform cost. AM5 motherboards have gone down but I wouldn't be surprised if they're still relatively high. Might be able to pick up some good deals on 13k soon

[thorny oak]

oh boy here we go again with more active cooling on the motherboard...

'up to' 2tb support but I bet they'll be $1k+

[mighty cosmos]

I'm waiting for case fans with more smaller fans on the fan to cool the fan

[median marsh]

well, they have to power an 300W threadripper, not surprising that the VRM will generate a bunch of heat

[thorny oak]

that's true, though I'd argue many motherboards capable of delivering 300w don't require active cooling, this might go quite a bit higher fully populated though. I will say these fans appear easy to replace and I appreciate the lack of superfluous decoration/shrouds.

[quick grove]

Guysss is this worth it??

That's nearly the same price I paid for 4060ti 😭

Omgg

[median marsh]

now keep the 4060ti and upgrade when you hit a wall with the 8GB

if you just started UE it won't matter for the next year

[quick grove]

I take this as a good thing. Finally some good news on 4060ti hahahah. Okok that's my plan anyway, to hold on 4060ti till something affordable in radeon