hardware

[hardy marten]

I have a genetic 1080p60 monitor with no HDR support

[opaque pond]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/hQYZRK this?

[hardy marten]

with a fucking RTX 4070 😭

[hardy marten]

looks good to me, idk if fractal design makes good PSUs tho

[plush turret]

yeah

[hardy marten]

but I have a Deepcool one so can't judge

[plush turret]

sent you invite to a semi official monitors fan group

they can give you help and advice better than we can

[hardy marten]

I have a Corsair one on my old rig but I wanted to try something different lol

should've bought a mobo from another company too now that I think about it

mine's a 750W non modular one

I wanted to go 850W modular so I bought that

[plush turret]

one im getting: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BYQHWJXC

[opaque pond]

well so monitor aside its good right?

[plush turret]

acceptable

[fallen oasis]

It was so good they were like, "Waaaaaaaaaatt?" And that's where the extra 10 Watts came from.

[plush turret]

why is it a microatx again?

[hardy marten]

looks like you're into irregular numbers lol

[hardy marten]

they want a small form factor

[frigid heath]

I have one of these monitors https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/KDmFf7/aoc-q27g2ubk-270-2560x1440-144-hz-monitor-q27g2ubk

pretty decent

[plush turret]

no gpu?

why no gpu

[frigid heath]

when i bought it there were only like 10 HDR monitors available and unreasonable priced... might look into that is i bought a monitor now but this is still a value gamin monitor i think

[hardy marten]

since when do monitors have GPUs lol

[plush turret]

sorry was for kost

[hardy marten]

right okay

he has one, no?

oh yeah he doesn't

[opaque pond]

?

it does have a gpu

[frigid heath]

well by not getting a gpu you save a lot of money... alltho the more nvidia cards you buy.. the more money you save

[hardy marten]

it doesn't tho

[opaque pond]

the cpu one

[plush turret]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0985X2YR1/

[hardy marten]

that's an iGPU, it's useless for gaming/game dev

too weak

[opaque pond]

i thought the amd ones are decent

[plush turret]

there good gpu affordable and not likely to throw your power budget off

[hardy marten]

decent for normal use and very light gaming

but that requires tons of RAM anyway

[opaque pond]

well should be good enough

[hardy marten]

your call man, only you know your usecases

[plush turret]

yeah i mean my laptop has good graphics and GTA and such (mid ground for high end graphics) looks like shit

even the 2gb MX250 i had in my gaming laptop looks amazing when i stepped the 4k screen down to 1080p

yeah

having had a Dgpu and Igpus the difference is VISIBLE

then got a 4090

cause ower powered means nothing to laura

means nothing to me too

but then i buy with intention for using it for years

long enough to make many people here angry with me

[hardy marten]

I am yet to experience the difference between an RX 580 and a RTX 4070

hope it's noticeable

will play on 1080p anyway

[plush turret]

when was the 580 made?

cause that just sounds old

[hardy marten]

2017? 18?

something like that

before the 5000 series

[plush turret]

not as old as i was thinking

[hardy marten]

yeah it's still a surprisingly good hard

I can run games at 1080p60 at medium+ on a lot of games

I only had trouble playing Battlefield 2042, Halo Infinite and Starfield

but they were still VERY playable

[plush turret]

my only DGPU https://www.ebay.com/p/13039105817

[hardy marten]

idk what a dgpu is

[plush turret]

dedicated gpu

ok so thats WEIRD, that both IS and ISNT my gpu

i cant actually seem to find the exact gpu sitting in my hands

[wind egret]

You have a different Pegatron HD3450?

[plush turret]

yeah its made for a slim computer

no vga port

just vgi and hdmi

it has the bits to support vga but doesnt

like you can see where the port would be

but its not THERE

https://tenor.com/view/ive-been-bamboozled-bamboozled-gif-10384533

uuuhhhh is the 4090 really this big?

THE FUCK

uhhh how long is it

my wifi is rebelling

i mean in reality in case it doesnt fit into mine cause that would fcking SUCk

founders?

isnt OC "overclocked"

like just finding a plain 4090 seems weirdly hard

[opaque pond]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/4y6fHG with gpu

[plush turret]

also why does the founders edition specs say its 14 pounds

both versions i can find on amazon at least

unless theres something really wrong with PNY... im probably gonna go with this over the founders, save $600 at the expense of like 1 inch https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-RTXTM-4090-Triple-Graphics/dp/B0BHBTJ2X2

[plush turret]

im gonna set my desktop on fire arent i?

[mighty cosmos]

oh that's nothing compared to how large some 4090s are lol

[plush turret]

im noticing 17 inches

maybe then my wife would be satisfied

[plush turret]

tbh kinda expected the most powerful nvidia card to be big but.... NOT SO BIG

the zotac version isnt physically compatible with my case

youd think part picker would know that

like isnt that their sole job

"hey is this setup physically possible?"

what case even has 17 inches inside space

horizontally

[dense mirage]

Can you feel the pain the motherboard and GPU is feeling? https://youtube.com/shorts/k9zlo5lvgPU?si=_k3vn-Bw7eOyRpgG

Tiktok "tech experts" at its finest

I'm glad Tiktok exists tho, all the stupid people can be in one place and leave everyone else alone

[median marsh]

i think he is right tho

the riser is attached to the GPU not the other way around

so both sag down together

[crisp kernel]

By the way, one of my colleague's PC graphic card was destroyed by Unreal, lol.
He got a hard crash and can't restart the PC anymore.

[median marsh]

unreal doesnt destroy GPUs

[wind egret]

Not healthy ones. Unhealthy ones might need only a little push.

[median marsh]

the GPU was bad in the first place, and might just have overheated

[crisp kernel]

Yeah, it is possible. The card was very hot once unplugged from the MB

[median marsh]

@hardy marten any progress on your system?

[hardy marten]

I was limited by the hardware I possess

but after several hours, I've managed to secure a proper screwdriver

and I am continuing the process now

[median marsh]

see i've read about the screw which you didnt get out

does the screw turn but not move up?

then push something against it from below or put a flat screwdriver between screw head and whatever it's screwed, too. to push it up

if the last turn on the screw isn't... screwed... then they start to just rotate without moving up

[hardy marten]

I've managed to get the screw out

it took me forever to find a screwdriver and another forever to unscrew the damn thing

I'm exhausted lol

look at this damn thing, it was hidden inside a hammer

[fresh fog]

there's a lot more tools hidden inside that thing

[median marsh]

yea

a nutcracker for example

[fresh fog]

what until you realise if you release that latch the hammer head opens to be used as pliers :P

[hardy marten]

yes lol I know

there's a saw, multiple blades and more

[hardy marten]

I know lol

[hardy marten]

I DID IT!

I'm shaking from excitement lol that's why the shitty image

there's a Spider-Man figure hanging from the top too!

[median marsh]

now run memtest 😄

[hardy marten]

that's stick 1

will need to run for stick 2

😭

monitor doesn't even turn on with stick 2

PC boots, but nothing on screen

[plush turret]

bonkers tech just fcking HATES you doesnt it?

[hardy marten]

apparently bruh 😭

what did I do wrong 🥲

[plush turret]

i have no clue

[hardy marten]

that was rhetorical lol

[plush turret]

i know

but im a walking dad joke

might be worth taking it into a computer shop you trust so they can run some tests on it

[dense mirage]

The a merican version of swiss army knife

[plush turret]

no the american version has a single shot .22 in it also

[dense mirage]

All it needs is a lil pistol attachment capable of .22 lr

OHH

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-gun-fire-murica-flag-america-gif-12183553

[hardy marten]

oh fuck CPU temperature is 84 on idle

[dense mirage]

Why

[hardy marten]

must've screwed up the cooling

fucking hell

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/how-matty-matheson-just-a-dash-party-tray-pizza-hoax-how-is-that-possible-gif-26361120

[dense mirage]

How much past did you put on

Paste

[plush turret]

please dont say none

[hardy marten]

a little bit more than pea

[hardy marten]

I'm not that stupid pls 😭

[plush turret]

might have needed more

[dense mirage]

Did you peel off the plastic bit on the cold plate for the cooler...

[median marsh]

enable XMP (or expo) in the Bios

[hardy marten]

yes I did

[hardy marten]

I'll need to sort out cooling issues apparently

[median marsh]

why?

[plush turret]

you never know how stupid people are until you work both RETAIL and CONSTRUCTION

[hardy marten]

it was 35 before

before reassembling, I mean

[hardy marten]

CPU is at 85 on idle

[dense mirage]

Wdym reassembling

[plush turret]

isnt 60C kinda the gold standard for idle

[median marsh]

oh well

[hardy marten]

I put everything in a case

[median marsh]

yeah 85 is kinda much for that

also...

[plush turret]

at least on the cpu

[median marsh]

check if your BIOS is up2date

[dense mirage]

Did you take the cooler off the cpu when doing that?

[median marsh]

before enabling expo

because that's the combo which fried ryzens

[hardy marten]

yeah, I had to turn the cooler around so it fit well

fuck

[plush turret]

yeah if you took the cooler off you need more thermal paste

[dense mirage]

You have to reapply thermal paste everytime you do that

[median marsh]

you removed any plastic from the cooler?

[plush turret]

scrap all thats there off VERY FCKING CAREFULLY

[hardy marten]

yes 😭

[dense mirage]

Wipe off old paste reapply new paste

[hardy marten]

noted I'll do that again

[plush turret]

paste is kinda once and done

[hardy marten]

yeah ik lol but trying again won't hurt

[plush turret]

unless you get the really expensive industrial stuff

[dense mirage]

You already reapplied paste when taking cooler off cpu?

[hardy marten]

so here I go, disassembling again

[median marsh]

and dont add tooo much paste...

[hardy marten]

I actually don't remember, it was a day ago

[median marsh]

it just has to be a thin layer on the cpu to close air gaps

[dense mirage]

Do it just in case

Cant be too careful when you're dealing with expensive hardware

[hardy marten]

yeah I'm doing that rn

[dense mirage]

You're also reigniting my fears of building my new pc

[hardy marten]

how do I remove the old paste? wipe it off?

[dense mirage]

Even tho I've done it twice with no issues

[hardy marten]

my first build went really smooth

[dense mirage]

Alcohol and cotton swabs

[hardy marten]

no issues at all

[dense mirage]

Or cotton balls

[hardy marten]

where would I find alcohol now 😭

[dense mirage]

Alcohol is non conductive and evaporates

Rubbing alcohol

[hardy marten]

siiigh

[dense mirage]

Acetone

[hardy marten]

I'll have to buy some then

[plush turret]

you dont have rubbing alchohol in your medicine cabinet

[hardy marten]

will hand sanitizer work? it's 99% alcohol anyway

[plush turret]

its like $4 a quart

[hardy marten]

no

I never thought about it

[plush turret]

no fck no no hand sanitizer

[dense mirage]

Tbf I don't have alcohol either

[hardy marten]

lol I'm kidding dw dw

[dense mirage]

I use it quite often

[plush turret]

i mean i work(ed) construction so having some is kinda second nature cause cuts

[hardy marten]

understandable

[dense mirage]

I mostly use hydrogen peroxide for cuts

Even tho its bad

[hardy marten]

where would I find some? a medical store?

[dense mirage]

Any store

[plush turret]

https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Brand-Isopropyl-Alcohol-Antiseptic/dp/B07NFTZ522/

[hardy marten]

I'm not from the US so amazon.com isn't very useful to me

[dense mirage]

Where do you live

Europe

[hardy marten]

India

[dense mirage]

Oh

Idk where rubbing alcohol can be bought there

[plush turret]

i mean find ity in local but thats what you want

and the stuff has so freaking many uses

[hardy marten]

yeah ig I'll go to pharmacy and ask them

[dense mirage]

The wipes work too

If not better

[plush turret]

id also still wipe down the thing with a dry cloth after using alchohol as it can sit there when heated and corrode your stuff

[hardy marten]

what kind of wipes?

[dense mirage]

Nah alcohol evaporates

It wont sit there

[plush turret]

i mean youd need to leave it out for at least an hour

most people dont realize it but alchohol is insanely corrosive long term

we had to renovate a bar

the keg rooms drain literally fell apart in our hands

[dense mirage]

Ask for isopropyl prep pads

[plush turret]

bar wasnt more than 15 years old

baby wipes will work too (if they have alchohol)

[dense mirage]

No

Baby wipes have other things in it as well

[hardy marten]

gotcha, I'll do that

[dense mirage]

Just want a cloth and isopropyl, nothing else in with it

[hardy marten]

I'm going now

[dense mirage]

In other news, I spent 2 hours ish making a asset pack for tetris blocks.

Most of it was exporting as separate sprite sheets for each blocks colour and orientation.

Time draining shit for something so basic

[hardy marten]

bruh literally no one around me has them

pharmacies, anyone

ughhhh

[dense mirage]

Go to hospital and ask for a few prep pads

The pads, liquid in bottle with a cotton swab/ball will do

[hardy marten]

it rained really heavily here and everything's flooded

idk how far I can actually go

[median marsh]

just use a credit card or something flat to scrap it off

[hardy marten]

hmm i just might do that

I covered every place in a 800m radius

that's larger than you might think it is

[median marsh]

also every pharmacy should have pharmacy grade alcohol

maybe you look a bit sus and they didnt want to sell it to you 😄

[hardy marten]

idk wtf is happening here

6 pharmacies

no one had them

[hardy marten]

what will i do with fucking rubbing alcohol bruh 😭

[hardy marten]

it idles at 50 now

I guess that's better?

[median marsh]

xD

next step, check bios version and check if it has the ryzen expo disaster patch... if so, enable expo

before you outreach(?) the 85deg record from before...

[dense mirage]

Nah not good enough, need to get it to -3c

[hardy marten]

...

[dense mirage]

I'm joking

[hardy marten]

I only ask because it was at 35 before

[hardy marten]

I know 😭

[dense mirage]

Well 50 is better than 80

[hardy marten]

checks out

[dense mirage]

Was 30 inside the case or when it was outside the case

[hardy marten]

outside the case

[dense mirage]

Then yeah 50 is good

[hardy marten]

oh it'll be hotter in the case?

[dense mirage]

Yes

[hardy marten]

damn

I'll run a stress test now I think

any recs?

[dense mirage]

Good case airflow can help get it cooler by a small margin

[dense mirage]

Cinabench

[hardy marten]

gotcha

[dense mirage]

Or however its spelled

[hardy marten]

I don't want to touch bios lol

[dense mirage]

You need to

What speed is your ram registered to run at

[hardy marten]

I meant I don't wanna update it

it says 5200 but it runs at 4800

[dense mirage]

That error screen you sent yesterday said it was 4800mhz

[mighty cosmos]

Damn..
Ok might be a dumb question... Did you put thermal paste before putting on the cooler 😅

[dense mirage]

Yeah you'll have to go into bios and set that ti 5200 if you want 5200mhz that you paid for

[hardy marten]

yes I did and then took it off and reapplied it and set the cooler up again and now it idles at 50

[mighty cosmos]

Also if you have an aio make sure you plugged everything in, the pump and the fans are working

[hardy marten]

yep, everything's spinning

[mighty cosmos]

Which cpu?

[hardy marten]

Ryzen 9 7900x

[dense mirage]

My guess was the plastic bit that's kinda hidden on the coolers coldplate that everyone forgets to peel off the first time

[mighty cosmos]

Ok yeah that's fine then

50c is expected

[hardy marten]

no no I removed that the moment I opened the cooler

[hardy marten]

it is? before the case was on it was 35

[dense mirage]

Whyd you go with 5200mhz ram tho

[hardy marten]

cheaper?

[mighty cosmos]

My 5950x idles at 45-50C and 7900x is a hotter cpu on average

[dense mirage]

64gigs or 32

[hardy marten]

32

[hardy marten]

ah well

[dense mirage]

How much was the kit

[hardy marten]

ig $100?

[dense mirage]

Brother

[mighty cosmos]

And 90-95c is also normal for it under load, they are built to do that intentionally

[hardy marten]

yeah I read that in the reviews

didn't think idle would be at 50

[hardy marten]

?

[median marsh]

7900 should idle at less

it's 5nm instead of 7nm, or not?

[hardy marten]

it is

[dense mirage]

Same capacity with 6000mhz is $94 for teamgroups kit

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah it's fine, it might sound like a lot but for electronics, gpus and cpus especially that's nothing

[hardy marten]

I remember my R7 1700 being much lower

didn't check in a long while tho

[hardy marten]

there's a lot of tax on hardware in India

so that's expected

[mighty cosmos]

The 7900x will also spike quite high under any load

So that also might be why you were seeing 80C

Windows might have been doing something in the background

[hardy marten]

no I screwed up the AIO fixture

[mighty cosmos]

Ah ok

[hardy marten]

I reapplied the paste and now it works alright

I'm gonna run cinebench, it's installing rn

[mighty cosmos]

But yeah, 50 idle is normal
Playing around with the aio fan and pump curves might help you lower it a bit if you really want to

Most aios usually come with pretty garbage curves out of the box

[plush turret]

Isnt 60c kinda the gold standard for cpu idle temp?

[dense mirage]

@hardy marten you gotta remember your cpu has 12 cores and 24 threads

[plush turret]

At least with heatsinks and fan?

[hardy marten]

I bumped it up a little bit higher in my BIOS

[mighty cosmos]

Intel idles way cooler

[hardy marten]

yeah?

[plush turret]

I mean if i really wanted cooling i could get the welder and refrigerant out

[hardy marten]

unfortunately I only have access to regular cooling

[mighty cosmos]

My 9900k was at like 30, 5950x at 45-50c

[dense mirage]

Its gonna be hot, it's a lot of power

Wdym regular cooling

Stock cooler?

[hardy marten]

it idles at 35 before I added it into the case

that's why I'm suspicious

[hardy marten]

nah nah I'm replying to HawkArt

[plush turret]

My old game desk had a customized cooling loop that kept my laptop at 27c

[hardy marten]

R9s don't come with stock coolers

[mighty cosmos]

Around 50C is also basically what all of the reviewers are getting as well

[dense mirage]

I know

[hardy marten]

I've read the same, I believe it's normal rn

I do have RAM replacement scheduled (depends on my retailer) so that should be the final problem solved

[plush turret]

I simply made a modified mini fridge, gave it a compressor from a unit 2x as big and routed the last segment of pipe through the actual tabletop

Table top was regularly kept at like 19c

It was really nice. Until movers wrecked it.

Thing was on a pallet with the words "fragile" in 6000 point letters on it and the idiots dropped it off the back of the truck

[fallen oasis]

Sue them!

[plush turret]

I did

They settled for the cost of a minifridge and old wood table, + 10% because custom

Which amounted to less than what it cost to build it.

Technically they didn't have to pay if it went to court

Because it was filled with refrigerant, and wasnt certified or something local law wouldnt force more

I miss that table, sadly id have to buy a whole new desk to rebuild it as my current one isnt the right material and design to modify

[round cobalt]

Do you guys know if a 7000MB/s SSD is any better than 3500 for working with unreal? Would it help it boot any faster?

[feral plume]

would anyone know why Unreal 5 is maxing out my C drive usage even though its not installed on that drive? its bringing my whole system to a grinding halt and some help would be much appreciated

[median marsh]

check your memory usage, you probably dont have enough system memory so it writes to the windows pagefile, which is usually on C:

[feral plume]

it would seem that even though my unreal install is on my E drive whenever i install assets in a project it installs them to my c drive

[median marsh]

it keeps them in the epic vault which is probably on your C: drive

you can delete them from there, after you added them to an project, if you want to save up on space

[feral plume]

alright thank you!

is there any way i can change the vault caches location?

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-spongebob-gif-sad-spongebob-spongebob-gif-25853094

[median marsh]

https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/how-do-i-move-the-vault-location/287367

the last reply seems to be the best suggestion

[feral plume]

you can choose the file path in epic launcher settings👍

[round cobalt]

I see, thanks a lot!!

That'll save me some money haha

[fallen oasis]

I mean, it's going to make a small difference. Probably measured in tenths of a second!!

(@ 7gb/s vs 3.5gb/s)

[median marsh]

i guess you wont notice any difference

[round cobalt]

Few days ago I thought it would be literally twice as fast, now I know I'm a fool lmao

By the way! I'm very thorn about buying a GPU for gamedev. Do you guys think it would be unviable to stick with 8gb of VRAM?
The 3060 12gb doesn't seem fast enough, and then the next 12gb option is more than double the price...
Very tempting to try AMD, as they great 12gb options, but it seems like a bad idea from what I read :C

The game I'm working on is very very light on texture res, but I also use Houdini, substance, blender, zbrush, etc... so idk haha.
Also there's GPU lightmass, HLOD generation and such, and I dont know if 8gb would be a problem then

[median marsh]

i wouldn't go for a 8GB card, specially if you use other software than UE, which you might want to open by times while UE is open...

[fallen oasis]

It will absolutely be twice as fast reading a single file that's really fucking big. But that ignores every other thing that editor does while it's loading and the fact that it's tens of thousands of individual small files.

[round cobalt]

Thanks a lot guys!! Guess I'll completely discard 8gb as an option then

Also, thanks for the suggestion to wait! I'm not in a hurry so I'll wait a bit 😄

[round cobalt]

Sweet, thanks!! That 7800XT seems perfect, but if it ends up too expensive where I live, I'd still be more than happy with a 6750XT. It's so much cheaper compared to nvidia, if it drops further after the new ones come out that's a no brainer hahaha.
I'm still a bit afraid of going with an AMD gpu though... I've heard so many people saying it's fine for gamedev while some others suggest staying away from it. Such a bittersweet dilemma 😭

I have no idea if I'll need CUDA tbh... I should do some research on that

Houdini is safe from what I've seen, cause they use opencl

Yeah, time for some homework! That aside, I also wanted to have access to DLSS to see how the game behaves with it on, specially cause my artstyle is very finnicky with AA methods

Do you think using the AMD counterpart would give the same visuals or it's completely different?

Waaait, now i'm confused

Isn't DLSS nvidia-only?

[minor veldt]

DLSS is Nvidia only, but FSR2 is not AMD only so you can compare the two on an Nvidia GPU.

[round cobalt]

Ohhhhh my bad, I understood that as RDNA2 for some reason lmao

Thanks a lot for all the help 😄

[hardy marten]

too bad no one uses it

(I can name only 2 games that use it, Cyberpunk 2077 and Starfield)

[round cobalt]

Hopefully 3.0 comes out soon to fix that 👀

Supporting more games (supposedly it will work on all DX11/12 games ever)

wtf it's open source?

[hardy marten]

okay that's more games that I thought but it's still just 158 games

my point is that more games should support it

not saying it's something AMD should do lol, ik it's up to the dev, just saying it would be cool of they did

[round cobalt]

I got the impression 3.0 would make it so anyone could run any game with it, or at least that it would have some benefit over 2.0. But then again I only watched this dumb video lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYO4RJHf7QU&t=122s

[sly dock]

Im running a 3080 with 10gb, my wifes 3060 is 12gb, is it worth upgrading to 16 or 24gb card?

Unreal yells at me with nanite scenes

[glass mist]

can we use external ssd for unreal engine source ? like, can i build source on external ssd and plug it to take server builds when in need ? is it possible ?

[fresh fog]

You can but don't. External drives are unbearably slow

[median marsh]

wdym?

[fallen oasis]

I have an external encrypted drive and it's fast as fuck.

[fresh fog]

Maybe things have changed then. I haven't looked at external drives for donkeys years 😆

[median marsh]

esata exists for at least 10 years

so it usually always gave you the same speed as an internal drive

without the cpu overhead from usb etc

[fresh fog]

I'm gathering from this that I just had really shit external drives 🤣

[median marsh]

apparently now also SATA Express exists, which provides 2 PCIex Lanes for external drives

so you get around 2GB/sec - some protocol overhead (oh even that exists since 2013... but apparently no devices for it :D)

[silent wyvern]

you got eSSD from Walmart? 😂

[torn gulch]

hi there my CPU is at 95 degrees when packaging

how bad is that? i have a laptop

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[modest heath]

when deciding the sort of rig for maximum quality and performance on UE5, What specs for the most part should I be looking at?, For instance I was advised to look for CUDA cores, clock speed and transition speed when choosing a rendering GPU for Cycles, what about UE5 though?

[fallen oasis]

I mean maximum would be an Epyc, surely? 🙂

Ah maybe maybe.

Pretty sure hte latest TRs are at least comparable. Or will be when the 7 series is out. Is that out soon? Or recently? Its' sometime around now iirc...

[spiral dew]

Hey all,
So looking to update my rig to better help with UE5 development.
Got a couple of questions:

1. What sort of specs are most people running?
   - I know the "recommended specs" but curious as to what the consensus run
2. Where in everyone opinion would be a good place to pick up a PC?
   • When I look at builder sites they always show you the most up-to-date GPU's and CPU's which I get, since they want the money, but is there anywhere that does "older" hardware.
     FYI: From the UK, so no fancy Micro Centre or anything like that here

[hardy marten]

Where in everyone opinion would be a good place to pick up a PC?
amazon or newegg

or any local hardware stores

[spiral dew]

Looking around the £1k mark. Ah, didnt think of part picker, will look there 🙂
Ah, newegg, yes, another good site, thank you.
Don't think we have hardware stores in the UK anymore 😦 we used to have Maplin's but that went out of business a while ago

[hardy marten]

you don't have computer stores in the UK?

[spiral dew]

Not that I can think of... will quickly goggle

how you find that...
Man I am sooooo out of the loop when looking for hardware

[hardy marten]

it's alright that's something you do every 5 or so years anyway

everything will change by then

[spiral dew]

my Pc is about 6 years old which is why im looking 😛

[hardy marten]

yeah same as me, just got a new build tho

(it doesn't work)

[spiral dew]

OK slightly contriversal topic now...
GPU's...
Thoughts?

[hardy marten]

more VRAM will be useful for gamedev

that's AMD

nvidia has a ton of cool new tech

choose your adventure

[spiral dew]

I have been reading that AMD is better if not looking at RT (Ray Tracing) stuff... Which I doubt I will be, so will dig a little deeper on that front

[hardy marten]

yeah but... that's a 3060

[hardy marten]

I have been reading that AMD is better if not looking at RT (Ray Tracing) stuff
correct

[spiral dew]

Thank you all, from this short convo, I shall go off and have a hunt
I have a better plan in mind now

OK, final question... CPU's
What would be the min Core Count needed?

[hardy marten]

8+

ideally

[spiral dew]

does it matter about clock speed?

I lied about final question 😛

[hardy marten]

the higher, the better

that's it

[spiral dew]

sweet thank you

Whats "IPC"?

ah thank you

That is why I didn't come in asking that sort of question 🙂 Because it frustrates me too, I want to know how the CPU works to know which is the better one to get 🙂

awesome, I shall have a read 🙂

Thank you

[hardy marten]

y'all

I got my PC working!

it's the RAM

bought new sticks

this time 6000mhz with EXPO support

I'd like to thank all of you for helping me out (I'd ping but ehhh)

[frigid heath]

https://tenor.com/view/slime-computer-anime-bath-drop-gif-20030640

that doors OS looks dope

I use widows XL myself

[frigid heath]

doors and windows are hardware tho

[devout pendant]

Working on something homebrew, a homebrew computer and OS. Prototyping shiet.

😎

It's like irl blueprints, I love electronics.

[plush turret]

took long enough, glad your here

[hardy marten]

yes yes thank you

[hard jacinth]

does anyone know when new disks are usually released? im looking at the samsung 990 pro but i also want to know when the next gens are dropping

[opaque pond]

go for it

thats how long

[hard jacinth]

👍

[opaque pond]

pcie 5 is a new thing relatively

so ye

[hard jacinth]

my mobo doesnt have 5

so yeah i figure i just get the one 990 pro

[spice girder]

make sure the drive is up to date, because when they first came out they had problems.

[hard jacinth]

i love hat

[frigid heath]

SSDs have halved in price over a year, so at least u have that going for ya 🙂

[hard jacinth]

yeh

the 990 pro is affordable

im looking at something hefty as a main and then focus on most tb per money in the offslot

[plush turret]

im using this one in my system: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B25P44CL/

i know 4TB is a lot but id rather have more space than i need than the fact that even with my 1TB drive im having to rotate games to delete as i go through the phases of franchise desire

stil boggles my mind that 8TB SSD's are like 4x as expensive as a 4tb

[hard jacinth]

hehe

has anyone ever had a monitor stuck in a boot cycle.

whatever monitor logo popup and it restarts

with or without image cable

the reaction in windows is for each attempted start it calls for the gpu and the usual things but doesnt quiet get all the way.

im leaving it off for 24 hours to assure a complete power drain

[fallen oasis]

Sounds like the monitor is fubar.

[plush turret]

off and unplugged

[hard jacinth]

yeah its gone

[plush turret]

Oof

[hard jacinth]

there is something it cannot reach. asus logo appears and it recycles the state

can never catch it with any buttons or nothing

perhaps something electronical has popped

https://tenor.com/view/oatmeal-meme-pop-cat-popping-cat-poggers-gif-1422903012547548053

[median marsh]

try another pc, try another cable, try another input on the screen...

could be a lot of things causing this

also try to keep it in a state where it displays something for a while before proceeding further, if an cap is broken this could do as workaround

[hard jacinth]

its the monitor not the pc

tried to trigger into various states with the buttons

tried to feed hdmi and dp signals. it can react to pc shutdown and eventually be turned off

[bitter bloom]

Hi all, I hope you are doing well. I am in the process of buying a Pc to work with UE more in depth. Can you let me know if the followings will be good enough for making a hyper-realistic detailed medium level project (including meta-humans) in EU: CPU: Intel Core i9 13900K
GPU: GetForce RTX 4080 16 Gb
Memory (RAM): 32GB
Storage: 1-2 TB

[coarse hollow]

i would suggest doubling that ram

[bitter bloom]

Would GetForce RTX 4080 16 Gb woerk well with 64 RAM?

[coarse hollow]

also, shoot for at least 2GB RAM per CPU thread, from what i understand. i like to have 2GB per thread, and 2GB per VRAM GB, but it is not important, as Laura said

[bitter bloom]

Thanks you both 🙂

I am on tghe budget

Great tip, thanks Laura

[hardy marten]

my entire monitor keeps suffering from screen tearing, what do I do?

I have an RTX 4070

and a generic Dell monitor

[uneven ridge]

Hello! I want to start on the UE, but I have no idea whether my laptop will get fried or not
It has:
8GB RAM
AMD Ryzen 5 4000
AMD Radeon Graphics
I am not looking to make very demanding games

[hardy marten]

like, system-wide?

scrolling anywhere, Unreal Engine, basically everything

well I'll look at the display settings

thanks

[uneven ridge]

I will test it out when possible. Thanks!

[hardy marten]

yep

I changed it even in the control panel

this is the only thing I found?

it's not there

deffo

oh wait

I don't have a GSync monitor

I have a generic one

huh

I see

done already

doesn't work

one

damn it

well

gotta see what I can do

thanks for helping

Win11

generic 1080p60 monitor

drivers up-to-date

basically everything exists as it should

I'm using the Unreal Editor

that's where I find the most tearing

that's what I have

dw thanks anyway

[rough spindle]

Not sure if this is the right channel to ask about this, so feel free to redirect me if that's the case: I'm experiencing an issue where my Hard Disk or my PSU seems to be making some kind of static noise when using Unreal 5 Editor. It's especially bad when hovering my mouse in the content browser. I saw some posts online referring to this as coil whining, though the noise doesn't seem to be the same. Anyone know if that's normal, if so why does it seem to only happen in UE? And if it's not normal, anyone know how to fix it/determine the issue?

[rough spindle]

Nope, still the same

I got a 144hz screen and it shows 120 fps in editor maybe that's why?

Can't say it helps; it might a little but it's not clear cut

I think it's really my HDD though

Maybe it's normal hdd sound but since UE uses it a lot I hear it only in this software

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJM8rHfsgjk
I can hear basically the sound at 3:00

Alright but I mean my SSD doesn't have enough space for all my projects and assets and stuff so I usually work on my 4TB HDD

Unreal is installed on C drive (SSD) though

[median marsh]

if the hdd makes that noise i wouldn't feel good using it at all

that sounds like the head is touching the disc, which it should not

laura avoiding any brand which starts with S

wait, any company which has a capital S in the name

so ASUS is also covered

[rough spindle]

yep my hdd is seagate barracuda, RIP me i guess

what's a good hdd brand?

[hardy marten]

https://tenor.com/view/stress-stitch-gif-25586692

(my archive 2tb Barracuda rn)

[median marsh]

out of like 50 seagate drives i've dealt with in the last years, 3 failed, all the same model, all within 2 weeks...

so if you have a seagate that already ran for a while i wouldn't be concerned

[median marsh]

that's almost the same scenario as with your samsung SSD

do you recognize the pattern?

[plush turret]

Ive had good luck with western digital

And until like 18 months ago i was 100% hdd. And i went through a lot

Sandisk makes great removable storage but their actual drives suck

[plush turret]

yeah i stick with their black series

[plush turret]

forget the reason is it possible to make a desktop physically incapable of accessing the internet without motherboard/drive replacement?

i know i can rip the pins out of the ethernet port, and the desktop doesnt have wifi capacity but is there other steps to keep it from accessing the internet?

even if i plug in like a usb wifi thing

[wind egret]

Set it on fire.

[plush turret]

No it needs to still play movies and such but it cant connect to the internet without serious work

[hardy marten]

wonderful!

gotcha I'll do that

[true quail]

Can I get some quick feedback on two laptops? I want to share two links (to Best Buy) because I'm trying to compare two options and they are essentially the same but one is 17" and the other is 15". I would have thought that the larger should be more expensive, but I don't know why it's the other way around.

[pale terrace]

someone probably could help but you didnt link the machines 😦

the CPU is fine, but you didnt list the GPU.

[grave sparrow]

its rtx4070ti

[pale terrace]

both are over recommended specs

[grave sparrow]

so it is okay?

[pale terrace]

should be fine but it depends on what your doing so can't say for sure.

[grave sparrow]

oo okay , thanks

[true quail]

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/acer-predator-helios-300-17-3-qhd-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i9-12900h-1tb-ssd-16gb-ram-rtx-3070-ti-win-11/16250537

and

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/acer-predator-helios-300-15-6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i9-12900h-1tb-ssd-16gb-ram-rtx-3070-ti-win-11/16529676

The only real differences that I see are the screen size, price, and the 17 has 4-zone rgb while the 15 has per-key rgb.

[plush turret]

is there a reason PNY get hardware hate?

[candid timber]

@queen temple what kind of cooler are you using?

for your CPU

[queen temple]

here

[queen temple]

Aerocool Mirage 240L

[candid timber]

So an AIO. When was the last time you repasted the CPU (new thermal paste)

had that once with a laptop. thermal paste was hard as a rock

[queen temple]

i dont think i have permission to lower power, because my MB is B660 and not Z to control CPU Overclock or underclock

i underclocked only the GPU

where can i find this?

[candid timber]

for comparison: my CPU is running at 60°C while "only" using an air cooler

[queen temple]

yes is very good, in stock i have 38°C, winter i have less than 20°C😄

in games i have less than 60°C

my Aerocool have a TDP up to 400W

in a benchmark i have less than 80 too but idk why UE5 arrives to 100, first time i see this

is not K version

will try to change thermal paste because last time changed 1 year ago

[queen temple]

this is your laptop or desktop?

[candid timber]

desktop 😅

laptop doesn't have great thermals as it's thin

laptop is msi creator z16

[queen temple]

my last laptop was Lenovo Y50-70, was hot too , when i watched my 2017 videos about PUBG, omg how i played 40-60 FPS with 85+°C🤷 🤣

the keyboard was so hot omg, impossible to touch it

now finally buyed a 3000 euros desktop and all its ok

[candid timber]

to be fair, didn't buy the laptop for gaming

[queen temple]

but cant play games on summer because of 45°C outside

[queen temple]

i didnt buyed this 3000 euros PC for gaming too, at the begin i tried to learn Blender but, unsuccessful

sometimes i play games but most time i spend in UE5

[plush turret]

whats the main difference between the PNY and ASUS version of the 4090? some people have said in other places that PNY isnt good?

physically the Asus is about .5 inches shorter for $200 more. and i cant find really any other difference

[mighty cosmos]

Usually higher quality components, better power delivery, etc...

Tho PNY isn't bad at all

[plush turret]

is asus better enough to be worth $200 more?

i dont mind spending extra if its worth extra

[plush turret]

good

if the 4090 needs 4; 8 pin power connectors... isnt this too few to support the 4090 AND the CPU?

or are my numbers messed up

[mighty cosmos]

It's enough, I have 1000x and using the 4x8 pin adapters for my 4090

The e version I think comes with a 2x8 adapter since that psu can supply enough power with just 2 8 pins, can do something like 300W per rail

(Can do that with the x variant as well but too lazy to order the adapter lol)

[plush turret]

yeah just making sure i dont order a PSU and find i have to return it because the GPU i want cant be run on it

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah your are gonna be fine

Get the x variant if you can, apparently has a tiny bit better components

Either is gonna be fine but if you have an option between e and x, get the x

[plush turret]

yeah, just im trying to stick with corsair PSU for the Corsair tower because im assuming they made sure they are physically compatible

[median marsh]

i'm sure they didnt give a f... and just followed the ATX standard for both

it's kinda rare that companies ensure you 100% product coverage within their own portfolio when it comes to computer hardware, always assume the worst 😛

but this looks just like a standard sized ATX PSU, so nothing to worry about

[true quail]

Thanks for the input. I definitely would like to get something with 32GB at least. I just can't make it work at the moment. This would definitely be an upgrade to my current setup using UE4. I can't even consider running UE5.
But I'm hoping to be able to play around a bit with it with one of these two.

The main question I had regarding them though, is what is the difference between the two? I'm trying to understand why the 15" is more expensive than the 17". The only thing I could really tell is that the 15" has per-key rgb and the 17" has 4-zone rgb. Is that it, or is there something that I'm missing?

[plush turret]

Im assuming this isnt connecting to ethernet ever?

[sick cedar]

Its normal for a NVMe to be at 64ºc ?

970 EVO Plus*

[plush turret]

yeah, NVMe's actually like it to be hot

they apparently work better when warm

[mighty cosmos]

that it is a bit hot

[plush turret]

yeah now that i see 64, i thought you meant 46

gotta love reading problems

[sick cedar]

now at 57c, while playing was that in red

could be temps from the gpu ?

[plush turret]

is the GPU really close to it?

[mighty cosmos]

it's hot but not like dangerously hot, believe the normal range is like 40-60C
Maximum operating temp is often 72 ish C

[sick cedar]

technically the slots are close to the GPU slot, actually one is under it yeah

[plush turret]

then yeah that could be why

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/qmUSJAcoXxM?si=fgOG86gNw_OgvLrh

[abstract dove]

Is anyone here using a spacemouse with UE and has anyone figured out how to consistently compile the driver for new point releases. I have relied on it for almost a year now, but the lack of speedy driver updates makes me seriously consider selling both of them

[plush turret]

is there something im missing here? the price for this seems absurdly low: https://www.amazon.com/Luvkey-Capacity-Waterproof-Smartphone-1TB-2Pack/dp/B0CGJDQ7YV

wanting to stick one in my phone for video recording while i do a project, and my phone supports up to 1tb

[frank glade]

it's probably a 32gb one

[true quail]

I'm confused (I don't know a lot about specs and hardware). What is better and in what way between an: i9 12900H and an i7 13700HX?

[tardy turtle]

I haven't used this site before, but here's a comparison - spoiler alert - the i7 13700HX wins by a slight amount. Laura might be able to help more with this...

[worldly lagoon]

I don't think H allows overclocking, HX does. One is 12th Gen but is an i9, other is newer 13th but is i7 with overclock ability.

[fresh fog]

What website?

[fresh fog]

I mean h is laptop CPU anyway so overclocking is out of the question, and no it doesn't appear the hx can overclock

[tardy turtle]

https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i9-12900h-vs-intel-core-i7-13700hx

[worldly lagoon]

It's shown as supported on this page. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/overclocking-intel-processors.html

[fresh fog]

So it is, my bad

[devout pendant]

Thank you,Can you recommend me the cheapest cpu+gpu combo that can run UE5 smoothly?

[ivory scroll]

probably something like Ryzen 5 4500 and RTX3060

[devout pendant]

This is the cheapest ?

[ivory scroll]

you said smoothly

depends on your definition of smoothly :D

but that would be the minimum I would go with for UE5

or you can get some second-hand 2070 or something like that

but you should really have at least 8 GB of vram

[fallen oasis]

At least 16!

[plush turret]

i need help finding an enclosure for a full desktop sized disk drive, all i seem to find are laptop disk drive enclosures

[fresh fog]

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=5.25"+hdd+enclosure&crid=3LOYCU0FO9VVC&sprefix=5.25+hdd+enclosur%2Caps%2C201&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Your keyword there is 5.25"

If you don't want/can't use amazon

[plush turret]

i vastly prefer amazon got free prime

[fresh fog]

Well there ya go then :P

[plush turret]

upside of gettins assaulted by one of their drivers

[fresh fog]

Have a browse

[fresh fog]

Sure as hell sounds like a lot of downsides to that one too though 😆

[plush turret]

8 stitches wasnt nice but hey 10 years of free prime....

[plush turret]

yes

is there a reason my computer insists my removable drive be formated before it can be used but the TV in my room can read the data on it just fine?

[wind egret]

a 1tb mid-range SSD is moderately recommended

[plush turret]

if your going to game or other things on it 2tb minimum is suggested

im putting a 4tb in cause id prefer to not hot swap games that take days to download on my crummy wifi

if i pop my removable drive out of its case what are the chances i irreperably damage the drive, its a desktop HDD, i want to replace it with a larger one. the case was not made to be easily swapable

[cunning tusk]

if it's just hooked up to a sata cable, just be careful unscrewing it and be careful with the cords

be gentle, dont get static etc shoudn't be too hard even with the case

[plush turret]

yeah replacing the old 2tb drive with a newer 4tb drive

its 100% movies and tv shows

plug it into the tv in my home office and watch all sort of stuff

[agile lodge]

https://rog.asus.com/fi/articles/overclocking/the-rog-matrix-geforce-rtx-4090-sets-eight-overclocking-records-and-you-can-get-yours-now/ new gpu what have liquid metal

[thorny viper]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-matrix-platinum/ $3200

[near wind]

What is the cheapest graphics card i can use for U5?

[hardy marten]

depends on your requirements

you want to use lumen? world partition?

[opaque pond]

also how much you are willing to tolerate it

[devout pendant]

what is the most wrong thing in this capture ?

[fallen oasis]

The uptime.

[devout pendant]

wow good eyes lol

but then I'll say it's actually a good thing

I never turn off my PC so that it doesn't have to deal with the power fluctuations and thus have more longevity

[fallen oasis]

Not quite sure that's how that works, but sure.

[median marsh]

i think it has to deal with more power fluctuations while its on

considering that you don't get "clean" energy out of your wall socket

[plush turret]

eh my desktop regularly goes 30-60 days between restarts

record was 93 broken only by a power outage

thing has been on for almost 9 contiunous years

[fallen oasis]

Same. Doesn't mean it's a good thing!

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

you guys know that suspend to memory is a thing?

and my system is faster back than my screens turn on...

[devout pendant]

I am having problems with disk, it works for few minutes and them bam, entire PC freezes and disk is not availble.
Had the same problem with another ssd in the same sata slot

Is it sata slot or something else?

[median marsh]

that could be anything

powersupply, mainboard, sata controller, connectors or cable, two faulty disks in a row, or chipset/sata driver issues

[devout pendant]

damn, thats a lot
guess I'll try check the disk in another pc

but if I had to bet, it's borked motherboard, had problems with it for some time now, but can't RMA yet

thanks though

[median marsh]

i would try another cable and if possible another sata connector (some boards have two different sata controllers, most of the time indicated by either different colored sata connectors or by totally different locations of them on the board)

eventually also try another sata power connector from the psu

and check the drives smart status, often issues show up there

[devout pendant]

this one ssem to have the same controller for all ports (other 3 work fine)
x670e-e board

[median marsh]

https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskinfo/
this can give you smart report of the hard disk

[opaque pond]

What could be causing compiles to be somewhat slow?

[median marsh]

what board is it exactly?

[devout pendant]

Unfortunately, once it breaks, it's not showing in CDI
Though checked after connecting the first time, the ssd was "fine"

[devout pendant]

ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING WIFI

will try using different sata slot and power cable

[median marsh]

yea looks like it only has the 4 ports...

also try another sata cable, they can often cause trouble

[opaque pond]

Could it be cpu power?

[devout pendant]

Alright, it's finially visible again after replacing sata cable.
Will have to see for how long 🙂

[devout pendant]

Thanks ❤️

[plush turret]

because my home internet sucks and that desktop downloads everything i need

[devout pendant]

😦 the partition seems to write protected now

[fresh fog]

Yes it's the CPU that processes this, but there are other factors. Unnecessary includes in the header being one of them. If you're including a header just to make a parameter or member a pointer to that class you're adding unneeded slowdown

[opaque pond]

I got an 8 core cpu and 32gb ram

That should be enough to process that fast right?

[fresh fog]

It Depends™️

The size of the code base, again, unnecessary header includes, what have you

[opaque pond]

well its in general

shader compiles are not that fast

packaging is a bit slow

[sudden smelt]

Anyone comfortable enough with computer specs able to tell me if this pc will be good enough for running high fidelity unreal editor projects? https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/gaming-pc-aqvin-aq20-desktop-computer-tower-rgb-intel-core-i7-up-to-4-60-ghz-1tb-ssd-32gb-ddr4-ram-geforce-rtx-4060-8gb-windows-11-only-at-best-buy/17278354 currently I have a gtx 1660ti, adm fx 8320 8 core, and 16gbs of ram, but it's been crashing lately and I need an upgrade hah

[ivory scroll]

It should be pretty good but 8 GB VRAM is the absolute minimum for "high fidelity"

I would maybe save a little bit more and get a GPU with at least 12 GB

a 4070 perhaps

[sudden smelt]

Is there a major difference between 3000 series and 4000 series I see pcs with 3070 costing more then the 4060? These numbers mean nothing to me

[ivory scroll]

3070 is probably more powerful than 4060

70 is a higher "class" than the 60s

but look at the VRAM more importantly

all of these will be vastly more powerful than your current one though c:

[sudden smelt]

Yeah that's for sure, Ive been dealing with this pc crashing for the past year and been too stubborn to upgrade.

@ivory scroll Do you think the CPU in the machine I linked is sufficient?

This machine is 1400$ compared to all the other machines going up to like 2k for 3070 / 4070

[ivory scroll]

wait it has Core i7-8700

i just noticed

that's a 6 year old CPU lmao

don't buy that

[sudden smelt]

Good god

I had a feeling they do this sort of thing.

[ivory scroll]

get someone to build you a custom pc :D

I can help you choose parts within your price limit if you want

if you can get someone to build it for you

(even though it's not that complicated)

I don't trust these pre-built ones 😆

[sudden smelt]

Ive never been much of a hardware guy. I knew they'd likely give me an awesome GPU and just drop the CPU in the dumpster or vice versa

Realistically Id like to stay under 1600 CAD but Idk how viable that is..

I got my old pc like 7 years ago for 1500

Regardless I'd like to know what'd cost to make a pc that'll last for Unreal 5 dev..

[ivory scroll]

you could save some money by getting a second-hand GPU for example

even CPU

(not 6 years old though)

if not, you should go for something cheaper but at least from the current or last generation

[sudden smelt]

whats the downside of having an older cpu in benchmarks it seems pretty good compared to my old one based on speed ranking atleast.

[ivory scroll]

for starters, the 8xxx i7s ran SUPER HOT

and also it's just not worth it to buy a 6-year-old architecture

new ones are just faster, run less hot, more power effective

support more and new features

at least get something from the 11th gen higher for intel

or actually get a Ryzen if you want cheaper but still good

something like Ryzen 7 5800X

they're pretty cheap and pretty powerful

[plush turret]

well at least my drive encyrption is protected, stored the key on a floppy drive of all things, pretty sure im the only one who still has a working drive

[median marsh]

even a 5700x would be better than the 8th gen intel

[sudden smelt]

:pain:

Pre builts are painful

[ivory scroll]

especially when they have 6-year-old hardware like who does that lmao

that's a scam

[median marsh]

best buy apparently

you usually get better pre builds from local shops, since they often make them on demand rather than buying a ton of hardware to eventually sell it later

[sudden smelt]

Maybe this one is better? https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=1446_1448&item_id=241405 just needs some more ram maybe?

[median marsh]

well as said, 8gb vram is not really much for UE dev

[sudden smelt]

Yeah, im just thinking this might be the best for me to start with? Idk if I can find more VRam for a reasonable price.

With a good cpu as well.

[opaque pond]

is a 3700x that old?

[zinc lintel]

For slow compilation induced by unnecessary headers (if thats your problem), you can try using something like compile score to check compilation times for each translation unit.
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=RamonViladomat.CompileScore

I have used it to reduce compilation times in our project from ~1 minute to ~10 seconds for most iterative changes, and about 4 times for a full re-build (project only).
I have mostly removed unnecessary headers in favor of forward declarations (that should have been done in the first place) as well as by moving often and rarely modified common files to a custom PCH.

[opaque pond]

i mean its faster than my laptop

but not as fast as i would expect

[molten sluice]

I have a 3090, 32gb and an old 6700k cpu / motherboard. Any suggestions? I'm thinking about waiting for the 50 series GPU, will current gen motherboard be suitable?

[velvet creek]

can somebody suggest a good gfx card for a 450 w 80+ psu

[median marsh]

3060 (the 12GB version)

or 4060 16GB if the budget allows it

[fallen oasis]

4060 on a 450W psu?

[wind egret]

doesn't the 4000 series sip power
a 3060 is almost riskier

[opaque pond]

thats way too generic

[wind egret]

If you want specifics, the 4060 has a 115W TDP. The 4060 Ti a 160W TDP. The 3060 has a 170W TDP.

One would expect they've addressed the amperage spikes too...

[median marsh]

and the 3060 with 5950x together draw less than 300W on load here...

if the 450W PSU isn't shitty it will handle it

[silent wyvern]

3060 will bottleneck the 5950x

[median marsh]

i dont play much games so i dont care

[devout pendant]

yes but the intensity of the fluctuations aren't large enough to cause damage
When you power up your system you go from 0 to 100%

it's also about the temperate of your components

I believe it's better to have them at constant temperature than to make them hot and cold

because as we all know physics here, hotter things take more space than colder things

[median marsh]

i think you pay more on electricity than you would have to pay on replacing a component once in 100 years which dies from that...

[plush turret]

other than physical connectors is there a limit to how many drives you can actually plug into a computer

OS being win 10

[fallen oasis]

Not really?

Drive letters perhaps? Unless there's some mount point shenanigans.

[median marsh]

but.... technically a billion drives are connected to my system through the internet

[plush turret]

would my laptop cpu constantly being between 80 and 97% utilization in task manager be a problem?

work installed new overwatch programs and since then everything been affected

apparently people were using work VPN's and access to the main server to pirate porn of all things so if we use the company network (includes roaming) we have to install these programs

but even discord typing is slowed down sometimes

where i can be done typing the whole thing and i have to wait for the system to catch up

sadly i cant seem to find the specific proccess thats using it, and then somehow cap its resource usage

used to be about 6% utilization when id have discord, chrome and steam up

now with those its 80-97

sadly they installed it remotely and the program has hidden itself

wish i had put it in a virtual machine

yeah though they threatened termination if we erase it without them knowing, company has US defense contracts

has full service, keylogger, internet search history recorder its able to read every program loaded onto the computer, and yeah part of installing it woot

was a reboot

i need the job cause bills sadly, and this is first place to hire me in like 2 years

plus if they see i still do my work on the computer and their recorder doesnt ping kinda proves i did something to their program

yeah though i cant imagine everyone has this usse, might be a side effect of my home internet sucking balls

like its trying to send a ton of data and my upload speed is 45kb/s

[mighty cosmos]

That's pretty insane
If it was their laptop it would be perfectly fine but on a personal machine it feels borderline illegal

[plush turret]

yeah well my email and such was already monitored because those defense contracts. my family and such got vetted too

[median marsh]

depends in which power state it is

if it throttles down it's maybe possible to reach a high cpu usage while the cpu is underclocking heavy, thats fine

[plush turret]

standard laptop, i havent touched any of the settings so it all default

[plush turret]

i have no idea if the cpu numbers there are a bad thing or not but ive never seen the proccesses and threads be so high

[median marsh]

well that thing is underclocking itself, base speed seems to be 2GHz and boost up to 3.6GHz

so it's not even close to 100% load, just close to 100% load @1.7GHz

so this is more like 40% utilization

idk what is normal for windows...

[opaque pond]

oO i got a simmilar laptop for UE5

[hardy marten]

I get this spike whenever I open Task Manager

is that normal?

and my ethernet takes a while to actually start providing internet even tho the lights are on and all that

[hardy marten]

it is? never happened to me on the other PC

[plush turret]

Im assuming you mean turning the router on takes time? Cause thats normal even for new things like me wifi6 nighthawk

[plush turret]

Hp elitebook? Mines a 745 g5

[opaque pond]

hp 15

[hardy marten]

no, everything is on and active

works all the time

PC takes 30 or so seconds to recognize and connect to it

[plush turret]

Wireless? Thats common too

pretty sure thats simply the computer running som sort of check to ensure the network is strong enough secure and actually connected to the internet

and or quick self diagnostics to confirm theres no problems with the software/hardware

[hardy marten]

ethernet

[hardy marten]

it doesn't happen to literally any other system I use ethernet with

[hardy marten]

yeah I'll do that

[plush turret]

ive noticed it on my computers that plugging in an ethernet cable still takes a minute to say its connected, though the instant need to be able to access the internet on startup/connect isnt that big so its never bothered me

[hardy marten]

yeah it's just a slight annoyance

[plush turret]

my home internet is so crappy, and for all of my life ive never had high end hardware so i just dont mind when things take time

the first computer i gamed on was a vista with 2gb ram

then i traded lawncare to my neighbor for their old laptop, that thing was a total shitpile but it was mine

my first PERSONAL computer had 256mb ram in 2014

haha

yeah most people had 8gb ram for mid range rigs and i was still running xp home edition

#thirdworldpoorinfirstworldcountry

my family has always had more than enough to get by but tech has and will never be their thing. so any tech ive had to get myself

oh im aware, overall its fine, but our criminal justice sucks, our pay vs living expenses suck, and the lack of resources for homeless is horrific

[zinc jasper]

Hey guy's I'm looking for a new PC that can handle UE and gaming better. I'm considering this one but could use some advice. Would this do a good job??? I don't want to buy the wrong thing. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CJPJH72M/ref=cx_skuctr_share?smid=A1JJYDW49I3OQI

[median marsh]

looks pretty good from the specs

gpu isn't the fastest but it got at least 12GB vram, which is good for game dev

and a weird brand

-_-

says the one who successful sticked to their existing PSU instead of going mad and buying a new one just because...

[zinc jasper]

Okay cool thanks for the help.

[craggy ridge]

will RX 7600 be enough to do game dev?
I currently have no GPU

I also want to use real time GI in my game

[fallen oasis]

The real issue when it comes to game dev is vram. How much vram does it have?

You want 12gb+

[craggy ridge]

8 GB

the graphics requirement for my game won't be much tbh

it's just gonna be spaceships

[fallen oasis]

Dev requirements are double teh game requirements, at least.

[craggy ridge]

and some asteroids/space station structures

I see

so you recommend 12 GB

[fallen oasis]

Laura complains frequently that she had serious issues with 8gb.

[craggy ridge]

tbh I want my game to be able to run on GTX 1650

which has only 4 GB of VRAM

[fallen oasis]

It all depends how much money you can throw at the problem.

UE will use all of it .

[craggy ridge]

wdym?

[opaque pond]

512MB vram gang

[craggy ridge]

I'm a single dev

no money to throw around 😛

[fallen oasis]

Game dev is costly, especially as you're basically got a 99% chance to never to make any money.

But buy whatever is in your budget. A decent graphics card is nice, but if you have a dual core pentium with 2gb of ram, the situation is a bit hopeless.

[craggy ridge]

I got a ryzen 9 7900 and 64 gigs of RAM

I use that for work

[opaque pond]

Video Memory Exhausted
Video Memory Exhausted
Video Memory Exhausted
Video Memory Exhausted
Video Memory Exhausted
Video Memory Exhausted
gang

[fallen oasis]

Very nice! Than buy the best graphics card you can! 🙂

[craggy ridge]

well my budget is around 300$ for a GPU

I have other expenses

[fallen oasis]

I would compare that 7600 with the nvidia 4060 16gb, see which performs better.

[craggy ridge]

and I want my game to run on potato-ish pcs

[opaque pond]

if you can reach for a 6700xt that would be great

[opaque pond]

4060 is 8gb

[craggy ridge]

4060 is 8 or 16

[opaque pond]

3060 is 12

4060ti is 8 or 16

[craggy ridge]

3060 performs way worse tbh

[fallen oasis]

(fixed)

[craggy ridge]

like 20% less than 4060

[opaque pond]

the 4060ti 16g is 500$

a 6700xt can be as low as 300-320$

which is 12g

[craggy ridge]

yeah no way I'm buying that

i'd ge tthe 6700

but it's 400+ in my country

[opaque pond]

be ware there is a 6700 non xt

thats 10gb

[craggy ridge]

right yes

well 10 better than 8

but still

[opaque pond]

i had to disable the Video Memory Exhausted warning cause it was driving me insane

lol

[craggy ridge]

yeah so I guess it's a better idea to get a gpu with 12+ gb vram even if I go over my budget

[fallen oasis]

It'll definitely help when you don't want to make a potato game.

[median marsh]

a running game can stream stuff in/out on demand

an engine editor like unreal, gathers everything in a level and loads it to video memory

and if you load another level, chances are that unreal editor keeps the stuff from the previous level also around in memory

[craggy ridge]

bu if memory is overloaded it will still unload the old ones right?

[fallen oasis]

It will, eventually, unload things that aren't used.

That's forced on map change.

[median marsh]

are you 100% sure about that?

[fallen oasis]

Well, the GC is forced to run on map changes.

I assume that will unload things.

[craggy ridge]

yeah but see I'm not going to make games with top graphics, only low-ish poly and minimal effects apart from fog, GI and some VFX like lasers and all

also it's set in space

so there's no terrain to load

only asteroids and space stations, ships, missiles, etc

[plush turret]

anyone know of any groups that would love ancient computer hardware?

like stacks of factory formated never used 8.5 inch floppies

a stack of actual computer reel that holds an OS

[vernal sphinx]

im running at 50-55 fps with my rtx 2080ti, what would i be able to expect with a 4080/4090?

[vernal sphinx]

assume im gpu limited

im trying to assess the benefit of getting a cpu that is mroe than sufficient

[fallen oasis]

Profile. Don't assume.

stat fps (or whatever it is) in the console will tell you what is limiting you.

stat unit?

[vernal sphinx]

the gpu

but you guys are misinterpretting the question

im trying to assess the impact of a gpu under the circumstances that anything else is unlimited

since a gpu is vastly more expensive and has higher demands from the point of view of rasterization

its sensible to assume that

im trying to justify the purchase of one to the company i work for and im trying to get more than just benchmarks

[fallen oasis]

It's sensible to assume that a gpu is important for a 3d game engine, absolutely.

It's also sensibile to assume that the rest of your system will need to match the capability of the gpu or it's just money wasted.

[vernal sphinx]

granted.

thread ripper and 128 gb of top of the line ram

fastest nvme drive

[fallen oasis]

That's what I have <o/

Only a 3090 though.

[vernal sphinx]

what did u have before hand?