hardware

[plush turret]

given the backup desktop really only serves to 1: download stuff, 2: provide visitors with a computer to do work on, 3: allow my friends a computer to play on when they visit (if they dont have a laptop to bring)

i mean its better than just the cpu, and pretty much all my friends have a laptop or they bring their own desktop

not everyone can

also is there any reason other than price to go with an 8tb HDD over a 16TB HDD

or does windows not support larger than 8? i heard there was a weird hard limit

at least for win10

so a 16tb drive will work just as much as my current 4tb?

i know SSD is more effective/faster but again storage space x price is more the focus of the backup

its function for like 95% of its life is movies and media storage

also would the current cpu fan on my Media rig (simple fan and heatsink from the same time) be sufficient to cool the i5 12600?

is this a possibility? its the same price as the Noctua NH-U12S

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BLS3372N

this is new

yeah just curious since the price is actually cheaper (when the u12s isnt on sale like it currently is

yeah i mean the current sound level isnt bad

dont i still technically need thermal paste or is that more for if im wanting to contonously set the cpu on fire with work?

current components im looking to put into the media desktop:

im guessing the u12s is a bit overkill for that?

GTAV and RDR2 being the most graphically powerful games, and space engineers being the most CPU heavy

i mean my last GPU was an MX250, so anything that makes the game look better than that

https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/gaming-laptops/geforce-mx250/

overall im trying not to spend over like $600 on the core for this

yeah its pretty much the best gpu i have

*had

id have to power limit this to keep the 450w PSU in the current computer wouldnt i?

my budget is at or just above $600 for this and i wanna keep the current PSU which is 450w

f type cpu's dont have igpu right and require a gpu to use as a computer?

but a 4tb SSD (current drive is 4tb and dont wanna go any lower) would bust my budget

regularly downloads multiple gb files weekly

🏴‍☠️

lol no

its all 60's kids shows

stuff you would record on VHS

too low?

i mean i could get something with more power, or like you said go with a bit lower toned cpu

gpu is very much on the fence of even getting (dont know what it would really power atm cause nothing in my monitor list is over 720p

[median marsh]

or you could get a VHS recorder

[plush turret]

i have multiple and then rip from the VHS to my computer

[median marsh]

is that media pcs purpose to stand next to your other new computer?

[plush turret]

basically

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[plush turret]

its what it currently does to this computer im on

because my wildly messed up brain needs something audio visual going on in the background to focus on the gaming

[median marsh]

if it's really just an media player i would get an raspberry or smth like that

with xbmc or kodi or whatever the heck they name it now

[agile lodge]

or https://turingpi.com/

[plush turret]

i also use it for research when im gaming, cause even today a lot of games have seizures when you tab out of them

[agile lodge]

doing some your own ai for help media playback

[median marsh]

thats windows, not the games, fault

[plush turret]

and in the event something catastophic happens to my main desktop i have a backup (it has happened before)

oh i mean hardware, used to have MB's and HDD's fry out the wazoo. and like 4 months ago my gaming laptop MB went and fried itself out of the blue

luckily i had a backup computer that i can use now so im not out a working platform for fun and games for MONTHS while i save up for a rig

yep

its always good to have a backup computer

especially if you dont always have the cash on hand to just go out and buy a replacement

given i live on disability payments and comission

disability keeps a roof over my head and food in my belly, comission pays for my toys

those are sadly hard to find

well got the wattage under the psu limit:

[median marsh]

i think the whole system is a waste of money, specially when you are on tight budget

[plush turret]

weirdly windowed fullscreen usually ends up looking weird, wont let me enlarge it any and just hovers in the middle half of the screen like the resolution doesnt line up (but does in the game settings)

GTAV and fallout are the worst of them

sins of a solar empire also does this but then the game engine was built in like 2006

also as for "not having the funds" i can usually get funds when i make a sale, sadly it can be months between sales

but yeah the media desktop is a backup and research computer, as well as the ADHD feeder playing music or such i can pause with ease without having to mange multiple tabs

the u12s is actually currently on sale for 8% off (normally $59)

but yeah for simplicity maybe getting 2 of the same would be worth it

idk how you break a cooler but hey a backup thats actually used is money saved

is 424w of 450w cutting to close or is the 425w max possible/rated power usage?

[median marsh]

i don't even know how the come up with 424W...

[plush turret]

well theres no HDD

[median marsh]

happened to me last + this week

tried to save money by grabbing my continues discount from JB

and now they offer 65% off

[plush turret]

the main rig is already gonna have a U12S anyways

[median marsh]

do you not have to renew resharper somehow?

to get VS in some usable state

i see

[plush turret]

so puting the same model in the media desktop means if one miraculously failes theres spare parts

[median marsh]

well yea, guess by now you know most of the engine stuff from memory 😄

[plush turret]

ripping something out of the spare desktop is favorable than waiting months for cash for new parts

and the U12S is $5 more than the D9L

[median marsh]

i've never came across a broken cooler....

only thing that might break is a fan on it, which you can replace for <$20

[plush turret]

ye

i mean idk know what i currently have in there but the ceiling fan is louder than the desktop

granted the ceiling fan is from like '85

same my free speakers are vastly better than the weird ones i got from a friend as a gift

some Dell OEM speakers from like before 2007

im buying another pair for the big computer cause they are cheap but actually have good sound and volume control, and i cant detect any hum on them

these: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009NGI3J2

yeah tbh i have spent most of my life with sound off for like everything that even mid level sound is pretty good for me

yeah

dad has one of those then spends 90% of his time reading emails on his desktop

im pretty sure his set is older than me

oh i know

dad still has an original vinyl 3 speed that plus into a set of speakers from the 80's

these things are the size of a small table yet run entire on power from speaker wires

and a cassette player

i recently had to replace his vinyl player when his diamond needle broke and no one makes that model anymore

i mean magnettic ones you put in your car stereo

HOW

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-gif-25739098

yeah those

https://tenor.com/view/nathan-fillion-uhm-but-wait-gif-9301334

i mean i still use floppy drives for physical keys

cause like no one really has readers for them

you know the physical login keys

as for monitors... i noticed a few years ago curved ones were like all the rage, is there a reason they seem to have disappeared?

whats the difference between Q and O LED

like gameplay/visual wise

i need to get a proper monitor set, my best monitor atm is a 27 inch 720p 75hz (maybe khz?) security monitor

the laptop has 1080p but cant exactly use that with a desktop

is it reasonable i could find a PSU for the media desktop for under $100 that has 500w?

[median marsh]

have you even looked at prices?

[plush turret]

they varry from like $50 to $300

[median marsh]

they start at $20 here

[plush turret]

for 500w?

please link

[median marsh]

i'm in europe

as "media center" i would get an Lenovo ThinkCentre M920 and call it a day

and a NAS or USB case for storage

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-gun-fire-murica-flag-america-gif-12183553

heres the one im leaning at: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NWZQX1J

little more powerful but i dont know the power draw of both HDD's and both disk drives

[median marsh]

that system will NEVER EVER draw more than 300W

yea

[plush turret]

i mean im happy with the 450w PSU i have

[median marsh]

then keep the 450W PSU

[plush turret]

says that system rating is 457w

[median marsh]

https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-arc-a750/images/power-consumption.png

so most of the time your system will be <100W

unless you decide to run furmark all day

or do intense gaming sessions on your media center pc

idk enough about furmark, so i just assume that it stresses the cpu, too

[plush turret]

worst case someone plays gtav for like 12 hours

[median marsh]

now i wonder how much your system with powerlimits draws

probably also <500W even with a 4090

xD

don't you have like a 10GW PSU?

oh a kinda reasonable choice, i'm surprised 😄

i thought you would go for something like 1kW for that system

yea, even i would consider it when buying new, for a 4090 system

just to be safe

so you just went with what you had, good

[plush turret]

yeah im putting a 1kw into my main rig

[median marsh]

and from what i've read the penality of powerlimiting a 4090 is kinda smol for cutting of the major power draw

it seems to be the most efficient 4000 series card, considering frames/watt

yea and as said you usually don't have 100% load on both

we haven't reached that peak of gamedev yet

[plush turret]

asside from the PSU this is pretty much what will be in the media desktop when done

[median marsh]

wtf is with that 1TB drive? an existing one i hope?

[plush turret]

yeah the drives and opticals exist

[median marsh]

i would still get an NVME for that system... and save on other parts

[plush turret]

and i use them often enough when i digitize movies i buy from the discount bin (and play older games that require a game disk to remain in the drive)

i buy movies digitize them then destroy the dvd

saves shelf space

found a copy of directors cut avatar (first) for like $2

[median marsh]

i think they even made that illegal here

because it's bypassing copy protections 😄

its such a fool country by now

that kinda nails it

[plush turret]

idk why it would be illegal, since theres technically only one copy

[median marsh]

According to German law, it dictates that it is illegal to circumvent mechanisms that prevent copying, but it allows the manufacture of copies of copyrighted digital material for personal, non-commercial use.

now what

so yesn't

i did yesterday?

[plush turret]

yeah i use it only for personal stuff,

[median marsh]

i suggested using the same sort method on client and server to ensure order, was that wrong?

because the person i talked to didn't really agree with me

[plush turret]

also dropping the 12600k for the 12400 dropped only 30w off the estimated wattage

tbh a new case for this computer would probably be worth it but aside from the front ports being installed upside down theres nothing physically wrong with it

so even with all the other crap the psu should be able to run this?

on amazon without the sales even the 600k is less expensive

wdym

ah

i was guessing so, i mean what would i really gain/loose from having/not having it

given the usecase for the desktop

now the 12700k has a z690 mb

and im assuming gamedev would be the most use of the letter k

so uh what would use the k?

or is it one of those "its nice to have but your almost never likely to use it realistically

[hardy marten]

my cabinet didn't arrive today and I'm so mad

I just decided to stay without a case

until whenever it arrives

[spice girder]

support the gpu somehow so that the pci slot does have less weight on it

[hardy marten]

understood, I will do that

thank you!

[spice girder]

the support should be strong enough to holt the weight so you don't break the pci slot

[hardy marten]

I think my GPU came with a support stand already

even if it doesn't help, I'll make sure that it is supported

[hardy marten]

am I going crazy or is there actually no 12 pin connector here?

for this

never mind I'm just stupid

[plush turret]

is it really that big?

or is that some freakishly tiny MB

and hand

[plush turret]

thats the size of a football

[hardy marten]

it works!!!

I've managed to install windows 11

and everything seems fine so far

Still need to stress test

[hardy marten]

there's constant BSODs now for some reason 🥲✌️

I'm trying to resolve them

multiple stop codes

system service exception, iqs less or equal, etc etc

I don't remember them verbatim but something like those

thankfully driver booster ALWAYS creates a system restore

so that's wonderful

[dense mirage]

You're going crazy

[dense mirage]

It's a mini itx board

Actually I think its micro atx

[hardy marten]

yes yes I eventually figured it out

[dense mirage]

Good good. I found that abomination 3070 anime card on amazon finally. It's only $499

I'm seriously considering buying this in the future

[hardy marten]

noicee

[hardy marten]

why? it's last gen, from an unknown company and looks like shit

[dense mirage]

Yeah but the back plate

And 3070 is still nice

[hardy marten]

what card do you have now?

[dense mirage]

I have a 1060 6GB somewhere around the house

It's the only pc hardware I have physically at the moment aside from this shitty laptop, now.

[hardy marten]

I'm not sure, I remember us talking about it

us being idk who

hold on lemme search

[dense mirage]

Maxsun is one of them

[hardy marten]

here you go

SOYO

[dense mirage]

Never heard of it, maxsun not soyo

Is there even a point to current gen gpus when last gen GPU's are cheaper and still perform very well in gaming

[hardy marten]

AMDs cards do that apparently

the RDNA 2 ones

my last card was AMD but I wanted access to DLSS and RT so I went Nvidia this time

[dense mirage]

And how many games have ray tracing

You could've used fsr 2

It's just as good as dlss and works for any gpu, nvidia or amd.

Intel as well, I think

[hardy marten]

are you sure it's just as good as FSR?

I used FSR and it looks... not good

and the general consensus is that DLSS is much better

[dense mirage]

Well fsr is a software

Dlss has it's own dedicated chips on a nvidia gpu

Fsr is good for what it is, and usable for any gpu. While dlss is only useful for nvidia GPUs that has dlss

[hardy marten]

also I bought a new SSD and it's insane how fast it is

[dense mirage]

What kind of ssd

[hardy marten]

yeah yeah ik

[hardy marten]

idk a PCIE Gen4 M.2

[hardy marten]

since I have access to DLSS now and of access to FSR, ig I can run tests

[dense mirage]

Why would you wanna use fsr and dlss anyways

[hardy marten]

performance?

and like I can test my games using upscalers

[dense mirage]

How much does it actually increase performance

[hardy marten]

FSR does by a lot I think

I could run Cyberpunk 2077 on an RX 580

[dense mirage]

For older gpus to prolonged needing to upgrade is understandable

But big beefy GPUs like the 4000 series is kinda overkill for dlss

[hardy marten]

my goal is to have a low entry cost for my game

and with supporting older GPUs, I can have that

by the time I launch my game, 4000 will probably be very old

plus i need to test for both DLSS and FSR by myself

[dense mirage]

Dlss is just another excuse for game developers like Battlestate Games to not optimize their game

[hardy marten]

like who?

[dense mirage]

The developers of escape from tarkov

[hardy marten]

ahhh okay

[dense mirage]

Still bothers me

[hardy marten]

idk I never played EFT

so

[dense mirage]

Wanted to play the game so bad, but it's so badly made and most of the players are, pardon my french, complete ego driven monkeys with slight brain damage

[hardy marten]

ahhh never experienced bad game communities myself

[mighty cosmos]

For pathracing in cyberpunk you need dlss
With a 4090 at 1440p you need dlss upscaling to play with pathtracing, for a great experience you also need frame gen, and you can get like 120 fps and it actually feels great
I'm playing it with both, at 1440p on a 4090

Generally there is almost 0 disadvantage to DLSS upscaling, if a game supports it, there is no reason not to use it, at least the quality option

[hardy marten]

you have a 4090 and you at Cyberpunk at 1440p? holy shit

[mighty cosmos]

I didn't get the card for gaming, it's for professional use

[dense mirage]

Me theory on why they wont optimize is because they know people would need high end pcs to play the game comfortably. And if those players (hopefully dumb ones with lots of money) get addicted, they'll constantly dump money into it. Like they do now

[hardy marten]

it's a miracle I could run it at 1080p60 on my ancient card

[hardy marten]

yeah but the card's function is the same, no?

[dense mirage]

Needing dlss with the best gpu to play cyberpunk at 1440p is a scary thought

[mighty cosmos]

The key point here is with pathracing

which is insane that it even runs on a consumer GPU at all

[dense mirage]

Atleast dlss launch wasnt as bad as rtx launch

[mighty cosmos]

hm what do you mean

[hardy marten]

like the card's performance would be the same regardless of your use case, right?

[dense mirage]

Not really

[mighty cosmos]

Well I'm gaming on it since my work pc is my personal PC, but I use it for machine learning and other stuff

[dense mirage]

Some gpus excel at other things more than they do gaming

[hardy marten]

ahh that checks out

[hardy marten]

but we're talking about an RTX 4090 here

[dense mirage]

Someone said 4090 is just a professional card disguised as a gaming card

I forgot who

[mighty cosmos]

I think I said that 😅

What I meant is that a 4090 is really not a card anyone should get for gaming
It makes more sense for those buying it for professional uses

but nvidia is trying to sell it as a gaming card

[dense mirage]

They're smoking dick as usual

Is 4090 better than A6000

An actual marketed professional card

[hardy marten]

oh my god why do I keep getting CONSTANT BSODs

wtf

[dense mirage]

What's bsod

I'm bad with abbreviations

[hardy marten]

blue screen of death

the blue error thingy

[dense mirage]

Could be a ram issue

Turn pc off and reseat your ram

[hardy marten]

hmm alright I'll do that

[dense mirage]

Do mobos still make noise when ram isnt installed/installed properly

[hardy marten]

no I don't think so

[dense mirage]

Used to be morse code beeps I think, some old dell tower i played around with did that

[fallen oasis]

Depends if your pc speaker is hooked up or not.

Wasn't morse code, just error codes.

[dense mirage]

Sounded like Morse code

Long beep and short beep

[hardy marten]

I have headphones sadly

not speakers

[fallen oasis]

"pc speaker" isn't anything to do with your speakers or headphones.

It's part of the motherboard/case

[hardy marten]

ohhh

then nope I don't have one

[dense mirage]

It's called beep code lol

[hardy marten]

I have having to turn my PC on by shorting it 😭

[dense mirage]

Hook up the front panel buttons on your case

[hardy marten]

I don't have a case lol

it didn't arrive yet

[dense mirage]

Oh

[hardy marten]

the plan was to check if the PC is posting or not

and if it is, setting it up

[fallen oasis]

Motherboards these days sometimes actually just have a power button on the motherboard...

Did you check for that?

[hardy marten]

I don't think this one does

I've checked

[dense mirage]

Are you trying to overclock any?

[hardy marten]

none

no plans either

[dense mirage]

Turn pc on again and watch temperatures maybe?

[hardy marten]

just want to get rid of the BSODs

temps are normal

50 and 30

[dense mirage]

Try booting into safe mode

Maybe your windows install got corrupted

Did you install and update drivers or update mobo bios if it has an update

Dont think the ram is causing any problems, most mobos now have indicator LEDs

Check that

[hardy marten]

yeah my bet is on windows install getting corrupted

I'm not sure how to solve that

I guess I'll format all of my drives again

[dense mirage]

Windows repair system

You should try that before formatting and redoing it

[hardy marten]

didn't work

tried multiple times

now my bios isn't loading tf

[dense mirage]

What do you have your mobo sitting on

[hardy marten]

its box

and the anti static wrapping the board comes with

[dense mirage]

Ok good

What brand is your storage device

I hope it isnt adata

They're bad

[hardy marten]

one is Corsair, another is WD and another one is Seagate

[hardy marten]

nope

[dense mirage]

Is the drive you're installing windows on got enough capacity for it

[hardy marten]

yep

all of them are empty

1tb, 500gb and 2tb

okay reseating the ram again got me into the bios

[dense mirage]

Oh hey look at that, I may be a genius after all

Nah, it's always the ram

Is it the blue screen with a lot of text or the blue screen with a smiley face

Either one should give a code with a corresponding error to it

[hardy marten]

smiley

[hardy marten]

I had to do it twice lmao

Once didn't work

[dense mirage]

Are they in the right slots

For your mobo

[hardy marten]

multiple error codes

[hardy marten]

yep, a2 and b2

[dense mirage]

That's the standard but did manual say those slots as well, always good to double check

[hardy marten]

yes

that's what the manual said

okay so I deleted ALL partitions

from the install guide

gonna try creating new ones

wish me luck

[dense mirage]

Goodluck

[hardy marten]

thanks lmao

[dense mirage]

@mighty cosmos is it okay if I refer him to another server that can probably most likely help them troubleshoot this, just as a precaution?

[mighty cosmos]

Sure 👍

[dense mirage]

Thx, dont wanna get banned for "poaching" members

@hardy marten I sent the link in dms

Check out the troubleshoot channel if you still get blue screens

[hardy marten]

received, thanks!

[dense mirage]

Yw

[mighty cosmos]

It's faster than A6000 Ampere but A6000 has more memory

It's pretty much on par with 6000 Ada, but again has less memory

But considering those are 7k and 15k$ cards 😅

[plush turret]

which you want 3 computers worth of GPU or a costly gpu that works in your existing computer

dont you need to specially power the bigger industrial cards?

also for my media computer couldnt i technically power my GPU with its own PSU? i have a handful of spare ones

the arc750 that is

the old GPU's i have arent plugged in elsewhere

[dense mirage]

4090 still has more than sufficient memory so its okay innit

[plush turret]

the 450w psu for every but the GPU and plug in the arc750 into a spare 350w psu

i have lots of desk space to stick the second PSU outside the case

and for whatever reason (dunno where they came from) i have 3 spare 350w psu's

[dense mirage]

Get a router and cut your own holes in pc case for second psu

Ezpz

[plush turret]

i mean i have all those tools needed

[dense mirage]

Measure twice cut once

[plush turret]

tbh if i wasnt so busy id probably build my own case

i have enough sheet metal

[dense mirage]

Why two psus tho

[plush turret]

cause one is 450w and the other is 350w, and estimated total max watt usage for the rig is 524w

way too many disk drives

[dense mirage]

Just buy a new psu

[plush turret]

but i already have 2 and im cheap

[dense mirage]

550w psus arent that expensive

Sell spares and put that money into new one

[plush turret]

where would i sell them though

that wont take huge chunks of the sales

ebay is the worst, i sold a thing for $200 and got $161 after they took their cut

[dense mirage]

Facebook marketplace

[plush turret]

and it was local pickup (who would pay literal freight for a $200 model set)

hehe

electrical engineer to the max

[dense mirage]

This case looks pleasing and it comes with 10 fans + controller/hub

Has all the holes a man needs for beautiful cable management to boot

Why would that be a reason not to buy

Do you not like cable management

When I said man I mean person, not exactly just a male

Yeah it leaves a lot to be desired

But it comes with fans, nice cable management routes. And it's only $159

The case I wanted went out of stock, so I'm still looking

Always either of these

Lian li one doesnt come with fans so that's $149 + $60 for fans

[plush turret]

the case i bought (for airflow) has cable management and all i see is that its really not as good as it should be, and unless something inside is glowing... your likely not to see anything inside

[dense mirage]

I'm going with the funny front panel one

The fans and same cable routes as the lian li for cheaper is too good to pass

Unless I settle with nonrgb white fans for $18

Rgb is for children

I'm an adult with a childs mind, unluckily for me

[mighty cosmos]

Lol

[plush turret]

what i have: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08C7BGV3D

tbh the only RGB in my new build is the ram

cause of fcking course decent ram has rgb why not

[dense mirage]

Floppy bays

You still use floppy dksls

[plush turret]

i have 2 optical drives and a floppy bay in my media pc

[dense mirage]

Where do you even buy them, that dont almost immediately fail

Do you enjoy your 122kb disks

[plush turret]

its corsair ram so probably icue

[dense mirage]

I was born in the wrong era

Floppy disks arent even floppy

Suing for false advertising

I was close

I have a navy blue one somewhere at my dads

With a box of breadboards capacitors resistors etc

Old tower from my childhood I used to play that damn cursed barnyard game

https://tenor.com/view/persona-persona5-smt-gif-20281807

Icue too expensive to be shit

Price != quality sadly

[plush turret]

and the disks inside the case are floppy its just a protective cover cause ye

[dense mirage]

I thought the disks were small compact disks like gamecube disks

Even tho floppy disks are older

It is a small CD like disk, just plastic coated in magnetic shit

[plush turret]

yeah they disks that are floppy in a hard shell cause bending them kinda destroys them

part of me wants to make a floppy disk out of solid state then use them as large hard to lose backup drives

given how thin NVMe can be

[hardy marten]

what's openrgb

don't tell me it's a unifier

for all these shitty RGB systems

bruhhh

[hardy marten]

why did no one tell me this before

alright alright I get it 😭

acksually I did not

oh god more BSODs

[plush turret]

tbh i wish the ram used chroma cause i already have that in my system for my keyboard

[hardy marten]

wot?

dude I can't even get to install windows itself properly

I tried it, it worked out a few times

xmp is off

1 ram stick, eh?

noted

yes clearly

lemme do that

[plush turret]

whats wrong with razor?

[hardy marten]

did that already, it's A2

[plush turret]

wait wait, i need to install my ram specially if im loading a new version of win?

[hardy marten]

I'm scared for my life 😭

I don't even know which part might be the defective one so that I can return it

oh wait what

okay so I managed to boot up

but I can't find 2 of my 3 drives

[plush turret]

might need to restart

[mighty cosmos]

Open drive management (or whatever it's called), find them there, format and create partitions

[plush turret]

i know after adding physical drives restarting might show them

[hardy marten]

they're missing

[mighty cosmos]

Nvm

[hardy marten]

I'm sorry I have to upload captures instead of screenshots but I can't do that

[hardy marten]

yeah ik where disk management is eheheheh

[mighty cosmos]

Allocate that unallocated space

[hardy marten]

which volume should I create? simple, spanned, striped or mirrored?

[mighty cosmos]

Simple, it's what I always use

[hardy marten]

okay

[hardy marten]

phew that worked

thanks so much

😭

[mighty cosmos]

[plush turret]

hawk somehow breaks his computer after buying it

i already broke the first one

it was just salvageable

spending a year in my hands is the ultimate test of mobile tech

i managed to shatter my phone screen just by putting it in my jeans pocket

[hardy marten]

should I install the other RAM stick now?

[plush turret]

shut down first

always shut down before installing new stuff

[hardy marten]

yes yes ofc

after shutting down

[plush turret]

i dont see why not

if windows is done installing

[hardy marten]

noted, I'll turn the power off and then add the stick

[plush turret]

then turn it back on

yes my partner hates me

[hardy marten]

😭

okay I'll do that

[plush turret]

i mean she loves me, but hates im a walking dad joke

[hardy marten]

yeah dw lol I get it

[plush turret]

now its me bugging laura about pc part stuff

ok now im WILDLY confused

the MB i bought for the main and wanted for the backup computer, went up to $299 and went all the way back to $159

[hardy marten]

yeah PC part prices tend to go haywire

[plush turret]

but for like 48 hours only wtf

[hardy marten]

the GPU that I bought went from 66k INR to 72k INR and then BACK to 66k INR in a few days

can't convert that into dollars rn, sorry

[plush turret]

for a second i was like "what you bought a truck?"

[hardy marten]

lmaoooo no

I don't have a license yet

I should, but I don't

[plush turret]

america ive had one since 18

granted could have gotten one at 16 but those are so expensive

[hardy marten]

I should have one too

[plush turret]

they are good to have even if you dont use them

[hardy marten]

but 1) I don't need it (public transport!) and 2) I'm lazy

yeah I do plan to get one eventually

[plush turret]

i have a lot of licenses i dont use

[hardy marten]

there's still tons of stuff I need to do

but I don't have time

but it's not like I do anything anyway

where is all the time going?

[plush turret]

class A drivers, CDL, single/multiple prop plane and IFR private pilots, motorcycle, boating, forklift, and demolition

[hardy marten]

you have all of those???

but why?

[plush turret]

various jobs and such

[hardy marten]

@iron zenith you're a fucking goddess dude thank you so much 😭

[hardy marten]

insane

that stuff sounds really good

hah! I have a demolitions license! and an airplane one!

[plush turret]

you need something legally blown up from a plane after i drive a semi truck to the airport. ill even load it with a forklift

[hardy marten]

I wanna get obscure, cool licenses too!

[plush turret]

im working on my IT one from compTIA

[hardy marten]

the RAM thingy

it worked

odd

but somehow it did

[plush turret]

hey my family pays for any learning, and when you get a job being able to drive/pilot/captain anything you might need to helps

[hardy marten]

you need a license for... operating computers?

[plush turret]

technically to professionally work on them

[hardy marten]

I already put in the second stick welp, but it works

damn

I'll do that

[plush turret]

its not "required" but like your more likely to get hired for having it

[hardy marten]

riiiight yeah that makes sense

[plush turret]

and i technically have a security clearance cause brother is a test pilot for the USAF

hm?

[hardy marten]

what are these words

I don't understand any of them

riiiight

you seem to have worked everywhere damn

[plush turret]

i have

[hardy marten]

(I worked nowhere except from my house)

are there any alts for hwinfo

[plush turret]

i have autism, schizophrenia, and bipolar it leads to wild job gains and losses

[hardy marten]

us defaultism is a thing lol

gotcha

yeah but I'm not sure if I'm going to be commercial or personal lol

better safe than sorry

yes it is

alrighty then

thanks again

yeah checks out

I'll uninstall on day 13 then

[plush turret]

what program is this?

[hardy marten]

HWiNFO

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/wut-what-huh-uhm-confused-gif-16433684

[hardy marten]

system diagnostic thingy

[plush turret]

this plus "forklift certified" is basically all that is hawk

snaps the ram off while installing it

i think im gonna install the same MB in both computers

worst case one fails i have an identical backup

given MB failures come in 2 methods. easily identifiable and too expensive, or never see it and impossible to repair

and hey makes it easier to diagnose problems when everything is the same

granted but the murphy's law of possibilities

my gaming laptop was fine till one day it went poof

no known cause of issues, just poofed and the techs said tests showed a broken MB which cost the CPU and GPU

[plush turret]

and im a little weird that way

i like simplifying things even if it costs a small bit more

whats the diff between 3060 8gb and 4060 8gb like from a use in gaming and game dev

so 3060 12gb over 4060 8gb?

i mean im 3 weeks away from buying anyways

they price the same the 4060 and 3060

[hardy marten]

ahhh, Discord on my new PC

feels sooo good

do I have to pay $200 dollars for a Windows 11 Pro key? I can find a legitimate one on Amazon for $70 but it comes in a USB and I already have an unactivated version installed (and FINALLY running)

I can't find any non-shady looking resellers

[plush turret]

tbh i doubt im gonna upgrade for a while

[hardy marten]

well guess I have to search harder

[plush turret]

part cost part i enjoy win10

[hardy marten]

I don't want to move to a new OS in the middle of my PC's usage

better just do it at the start

[plush turret]

theres that

[hardy marten]

yeah

I kinda like Win10 too

[plush turret]

though for me its more that installing all the programs i want (many which were disks) kinda sucks when id have to physically bring my desktop somewhere else or spend 6 months installing everything

modem noises

[hardy marten]

ahh that sounds tedious

what age are you stuck in lmao

[plush turret]

yeah 0.3mb/s down

90's

[hardy marten]

no wayyy

😭

[plush turret]

and i live 27 miles from dallas

[hardy marten]

I don't know how that is useful in this conversation lol

[plush turret]

which is a major data node

[hardy marten]

ahhh

but damn looks like I finally got everything working

[plush turret]

honestly cant wait till im at that point

[hardy marten]

took me my entire weekend but it's done

I just wanted to play Starfield 😭

[hardy marten]

it feels amazing

[plush turret]

then i wont have to use this (not terrible but not good) laptop anymore for main gaming

[hardy marten]

I don't have one sadly, I think it's gone

I have no idea how I activated Win10 years ago

yeah I still have that planned

fair enough

riiiight gotcha

I'll expand my search

thank you!

[plush turret]

i got a ton of copies of win10

and apparently the one good thing about geeksquad is they can transfer your copies

back when it was free i claimed a copy for every hard drive i had that worked

[hardy marten]

how many hard drives do you have

[plush turret]

honest answer?

38

people trust me with their old computers

no clue why

i strip the expensive stuff i might use or can break down for raw materials, nuke the drives and keep them around for the raid box

one summer our church was overhauling EVERY computer including their server and they let me take home EVERYTHING

and for a while i had a small biz server tower

[hardy marten]

but... why?

[hardy marten]

churches have computers? why? and they just let you take everything?

🤯

[hardy marten]

more... BSODs...

GAHHHHHH

fuck it I'll check if RAM is faulty AGAIN and if it is, I'll return it or something

I'm so angry

[plush turret]

because i have lots of storage space and i hoard my tech parts

[naive pollen]

hey guys, I plan to upgrade from my 500gb nvme

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-MP600-NVMe-PCIe-Gen4/dp/B09Q2NCFS7/ref=sr_1_16?keywords=m.2+ssd&qid=1693822119&sr=8-16&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.42a483c5-1df2-46ee-a728-92d018483bf9

is this a good deal or should I look elsewhere?

nice, thanks @iron zenith

[dense mirage]

@hardy marten what brand ram did you buy bro

[hardy marten]

GSkill Ripjaws

why'd you ask?

[dense mirage]

I dont think it's your ram

What cpu do you have

[median marsh]

looks at the broken ripjaw next to him

i think it could be the ram....

[dense mirage]

I didnt see the picture

Slow internet today

Was there a picture, I'm not sure. I'm busy learning multi threading background loading for godot to optimize scene changing speeds for slowing pcs/devices

[fallen oasis]

USB-powered network switch. Never again. Gone from every 10th ping timing out to my own internet router to a steady <1ms.

[hardy marten]

how are you so sure?

[hardy marten]

there was none

[hardy marten]

Ryzen 9 7900X

[dense mirage]

Was your ram broken lol

[dense mirage]

It could be, that code you got can be triggered by ram.

It's one of your hardware components

[hardy marten]

I'm installing a memory diagnostic app rn

to check

[dense mirage]

If anything you could just say fuck windows and go linux and see if anything bsod-like happens with it

[hardy marten]

nah I'd like to stick to Windows

[hardy marten]

do any of you happen to know what this means?

[dense mirage]

Those are memory address errors, I believe

[hardy marten]

that means the RAM is faulty, right?

[dense mirage]

Idk if those are ram memory address or cpu memory addresses

Ask kimble in that server I sent you too, he most likely knows

[hardy marten]

noted, I'll do that

[median marsh]

yea that pretty much looks like memory issues

could have several reasons tho, check if the auto configuration picked the correct voltage

since it also looks like you don't use them with XMP or similar

next step is checking one module at a time and see if the error still happens

if it's only one module, then put it in another slot to check if that changes anything

do you at least have everything in a case now?

[median marsh]

or faulty mainboard

or bad power supply, considering that you struggled to find the correct plugs 😄

or the fact that you placed the mainboard on antistatic foil...

probably with all the soldering pins penetrating it

The reduced electrical surface resistivity of 109 to 1012 Ω means that film material is practically semi-conducting, and it can let the charge from the film bag flow off into the surroundings.
this could probably be enough to cause trouble

[hardy marten]

I'm moving everything into one as we speak

[hardy marten]

it's 2 and I requested a replacement already

it's set to default

no overclocking present

[median marsh]

test both modules on their own, once you got everything in the case

[hardy marten]

no I'm 99% sure the power cables are properly set

ahhhh

[hardy marten]

there's a cardboard box underneath that foil

anyway, moving everything into a case now

shite

maybe I'm not cut out for this stuff 😭

damn

[median marsh]

i've even run hardware on that foil before without issues, wasn't even aware that it is supposed to conduct THAT good

[hardy marten]

so I'm not the only one doing... these things

[median marsh]

but well, that was probably an era where hardware wasn't tooo sensitive

[hardy marten]

didn't live to witness it sadly

[median marsh]

chill

build everything together in the case and test it again

with proper grounding on the board, etc... that could change a lot

and by proper grounding i mean the normal mainboard screws, not a conductive surface touching the whole mainboard 😄

[hardy marten]

yes yes I gotcha

I don't think I'm THAT stupid

[opaque pond]

i cant decide about which new pc to get for unreal

i have like 6 different options

[hardy marten]

show em!

[opaque pond]

https://www.skroutz.gr/s/40699500/Asus-Vivobook-16X-D1603QA-MB132W-16-IPS-Ryzen-5-5600H-16GB-512GB-SSD-W11-Home-US-Keyboard.html#specs
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/42936755/Asus-Zenbook-14-UM3402YAR-KP511W-14-Ryzen-5-7530U-16GB-1TB-SSD-W11-Home-GR-Keyboard.html#specs
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/42713004/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Slim-5-16ABR8-16-IPS-Ryzen-7-7730U-16GB-1TB-SSD-No-OS-Cloud-Grey-US-Keyboard.html#specs
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/42683594/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Flex-5-14ABR8-14-IPS-Touchscreen-Ryzen-7-7730U-16GB-512GB-SSD-W11-S-Arctic-Grey-GR-Keyboard.html
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/45288802/Lenovo-Yoga-7-14ARP8-14-OLED-Touchscreen-Ryzen-7-7735U-16GB-512GB-SSD-W11-Home-Storm-Grey-GR-Keyboard.html#specs
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/43990051/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Pro-5-16ARP8-16-IPS-120Hz-Ryzen-7-7735HS-16GB-512GB-SSD-W11-Home-GR-Keyboard.html#specs

[hardy marten]

are all of these lappys?

[opaque pond]

yes

[hardy marten]

I see

that's not my area of expertise, sorry

someone else might help!

just wanna mention this in case someone might make this mistake:

NEVER cheap out on PSUs, there's nothing worse than ALL of your parts getting fried because of a bad PSU.

(it didn't happen to me but still)

[opaque pond]

i thought about just going for the cheap option

but will that be good enough?

[dense mirage]

No

Its mandatory you get atleast a bronze rated psu from a trusted brand

[opaque pond]

what

i am not talking about power supplies

[hardy marten]

nah it's not you

just putting that out in general

[plush turret]

better than finding your old computer was powered by a PSU labled "sparkle power inc"

*with 103wattage

did they lace it with blastex

its not plastic insiliation its plastic explosive

also WHY 103w why not just 100w

[hardy marten]

TIL you're from one of the stan countries

[hardy marten]

thankfully I lucked out the first time and then figured this out (for the second build)

I'm stuck in a ridiculous situation where I can't seem to unscrew the cases' expansion slot thingy

so that I can install my damn graphics card

[plush turret]

why cant you unscrew them?

[hardy marten]

it's not coming off

I am trying to remove them with all my strength

yes I am

I tried doing it in both directions

[wind egret]

Definitely prefer counterclockwise

[hardy marten]

they just don't budge bruh

[plush turret]

can you get a better shot at the side of the screw

[hardy marten]

sure thing

[plush turret]

sometimes those flatfaces have issues on their built in washers (conractor hawk here) and they can sort of lock into something

[hardy marten]

why would I use a non-screwdriver

[plush turret]

what kind of screw driver are you using

[wind egret]

Some manufacturers install them very tight torque the #%(#! out of it

[hardy marten]

flat? I can't take a picture of it

[plush turret]

FLAT

[hardy marten]

nope this ain't thumbscrews

[plush turret]

ARE YOU INSANE

[opaque pond]

uhh so what about this?

[hardy marten]

I just might be

[wind egret]

I want to see the flat screwdriver that works with these philips head screws

[plush turret]

its not working

[hardy marten]

I've been using the same screw driver for all the screws

[plush turret]

those are deephead phillips, and theres ZERO reason you whould EVER use a flathead

[hardy marten]

that's what I'm using

[wind egret]

that is adorable

[opaque pond]

?

[hardy marten]

turns out screws aren't my strongest suit either

[wind egret]

and not appropriate for high torque applications

[plush turret]

i mean yes... but it shouldnt be flathead

[hardy marten]

this is what I have access to

[plush turret]

you are giving me heart palpitations

[plush turret]

i cant tell ahlf those heads

[hardy marten]

yes yes I do but hear me out, a minus fits into a plus

[plush turret]

not in hardware

[opaque pond]

why not laptop?

[hardy marten]

pretty good until now 😭

[plush turret]

i mean a drillbit also removes screws

[opaque pond]

will a simmilar desktop be better?

[hardy marten]

also very hot

[plush turret]

bonkers can you get us a clearer picture of the heads?

[hardy marten]

this one?

[hardy marten]

yes ofc hold on

[wind egret]

There are two or three phillips screws there, but if they're too small they'll be useless

[hardy marten]

I have this big ass kit but apparently there's no standard stuff in it

[plush turret]

a dollar tree screwdriver set would work

[wind egret]

Time to borrow a #2 screwdriver (literally the most common) from a neighbor

[plush turret]

or get one for a DOLLAR

[hardy marten]

I think I destroyed the head

[plush turret]

has a DRAWER full of them i got for free]

[hardy marten]

fuck

[plush turret]

the driver heads

that is an insanely stripped head

[hardy marten]

it's 1 03am there's no neighbor active

[hardy marten]

alright welpp I'll order one ASAP

[plush turret]

yeah you can get that out once then throw it away

walmart

i dont know a store that doesnt sell them

[hardy marten]

yeah I can throw it away, there's tons of them

[plush turret]

even JCPenny here has a few for their furniture section

[hardy marten]

I don't live in the US lol

okay okay I get it, I shall order a big Philips screwdriver

[plush turret]

no, not a big one

[opaque pond]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CjnV6D something like this will be more expensive i think

and not perform the same

[hardy marten]

normal?

[plush turret]

#2 phillips

[hardy marten]

there should be more but I can't find them

rn

[hardy marten]

gotcha

[plush turret]

https://www.amazon.com/CRAFTSMAN-CMHT65004-CFT-SD-ACETATE/dp/B09JBDWDDY

right there

i have SOOOO MANY of these

yall wanna see my collections?

hawk has wayyyy too many tools

[hardy marten]

then there's me, "flat"

[plush turret]

i do

i have a pink toolset i got as a gag joke

[hardy marten]

I need a guide to soo many things

it was working fantastic so far

legit no issues

so I thought I fucked something up

[plush turret]

$5 usd, exactly what you need, fits like 90% of the worlds phillips screws

[hardy marten]

yes lesson learnt 😞

[plush turret]

doesnt have the nice magnetic tip

[hardy marten]

ahh gotcha

[plush turret]

but if you have a fridge magnet you can give it one

[hardy marten]

my country's amazon wants me to order at least 3 of them

[plush turret]

yes i am a very handyman person who also loves computer stuff

WTF

[hardy marten]

I don't need 3 screwdrivers 😭

[wind egret]

You might if you lose them often enough.

[plush turret]

doesnt have to that EXACT one but yeah #2 phillips

[hardy marten]

0 hardware skills

[hardy marten]

yeah yeah I get it

[plush turret]

just put that in the search bar pick one, craftsman makes the best ones in my experience

true

[hardy marten]

yeah I'll just do that tomorrow

[plush turret]

ive broken so many drivers on jobs that craftsman has proven their worth and their stuff isnt usually that expensive

but unlike fancy driver sets the simple steel alloy in hardened plastic, never gonna go wrong

[opaque pond]

so i guess a laptop at that price range will be better

[plush turret]

laptops for gaming/gamedev are a world unto themselves kostaxr

[hardy marten]

don't get a lappy unless you really, really, really need to

[opaque pond]

well desktops are expensive too

[hardy marten]

yes but they're quality

[plush turret]

simple change in the planet they are built at can WILDLY change their performance

[hardy marten]

and will last longer

[opaque pond]

like is the one i posted better?

[plush turret]

my media desktop is 9 years old, and aside from the CPU being a bit of trash, its outlived 6 laptops

3 of them $1500 usd gaming laptops

[hardy marten]

LMAOOOO WHAT 😭

[hardy marten]

everything except the monitor is alright

and you really want a mini-ITX board?

[opaque pond]

i want a small factor

[plush turret]

yeah unless your getting a smaller tower because space constraints you want a regular atx

[hardy marten]

if you are planning to carry it everywhere then just don't

if your desk space is limited then mayyybee

[opaque pond]

i guess

well the laptop is mixed use

uni / programming / game dev

[hardy marten]

I wanted to go EATX but then I was like... why?

it's a normal ATX mid tower case

but it looks good though

my previous case was local and it was trash

[plush turret]

also @hardy marten heres a set, trust me, unless your big into DIY stuff this set will solve pretty much everything you might possibly need: https://www.amazon.com/CRAFTSMAN-Screwdriver-Assorted-12-Piece-CMHT65044/dp/B07QK2PFKY

sorry to be stuck but wrong tools bugs me to no end

[hardy marten]

I like... big things. For example big money, big GPU, big house, etc.

[hardy marten]

I understand, I don't blame you

I feel the same way when someone screws something up that I know about

hell my username is a great example

yes I'm very funny

idk what that is but if it's big, then yay!

[plush turret]

wrong tools and someone messing with my toolbox (puting tools in the wrong drawer) are like the only pet peeves i really have

goes for a 3/8 allen "where the fck is my allen set god damnit"

[hardy marten]

lemme look it up

[plush turret]

what the fuck

[hardy marten]

no wayyy that's soo cool

I wanna buy it just because of the size

[plush turret]

its cool but its also screaming "small used car cost"

for the case or everything in it?

[wind egret]

That's not terrible

[plush turret]

ok whats the entire thing fully tricked out worth? $20K

[hardy marten]

no way everything in it will cost just 250

[plush turret]

half the cases i looked at are more expensive

[hardy marten]

I got mine for

lemme calculate

[plush turret]

glares at msi

[hardy marten]

$50

[frigid heath]

looks like a meth lab

[hardy marten]

it's from Cooler Master and looks great

[plush turret]

is that dyed liquid cooling?

[wind egret]

With oversized reservoirs so you don't die of thirst.

Wonder if gatorade would corrode a liquid cooler...

[plush turret]

not at first

[hardy marten]

I have an AIO but it doesn't seem like there's any liquid in it

it's so small and I don't see a tank

of coolant or whatever

it doesn't even make a noise

[plush turret]

unless you need a LOT of liquid cooling most tend to be small and contained

[hardy marten]

at first I thought I'll need to pour in my own water 😭

[plush turret]

yeah regular water from your tap is REALLY corrosive

[hardy marten]

so you're saying there IS liquid in the cooler?

it doesn't make any sound!

[hardy marten]

where are you gonna get distilled water lmao

[plush turret]

walmart

[wind egret]

There's a liquid (sort of) in your typical CPU cooler too, heatpipes ftw

[plush turret]

its like $1 a gallon

[hardy marten]

hawww. TIL.

[hardy marten]

how many liters is that?

[plush turret]

i think 2-3?

[hardy marten]

welp I don't have the proper screwdriver rn so ig I'll wrap up and sleep

[plush turret]

3.78

[hardy marten]

what will you do with 2 to 3 liters of distilled water

[hardy marten]

my point still stands

[plush turret]

use it for coolant

[wind egret]

Pour in what you need and drink the rest

[hardy marten]

ALL of it?

[hardy marten]

I don't think that's healthy

[plush turret]

i mean in a pinch it will cool your car too

[wind egret]

Don't believe the urban legends.

[hardy marten]

right fair enough

[hardy marten]

yessir, I shall believe only you from now on

[plush turret]

uh distilled water is literally what rains

its just untreated water

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Distilled-Water-1-Gallon/10315382

[wind egret]

Look up the people who've died from water consumption. It's tens of liters, in under an hour, not distilled.
The distilled barely makes a difference anyway. Tap is still far short of eloctrolyte water.

[plush turret]

yeah tbh i like cold distilled water

what about those 100% submerged nonconductive mineral water rigs?

ye

we talking motor, vegetable, or?

that looks like vegetable

same as the transformers on your power lines

[wind egret]

Mineral oil was probably too viscous. They use some proprietary chemical solutions for the commercial scale implementations, which might be little more than doped water.

[hardy marten]

uhm

what year are you living in lmao

rainwater has literally everything in it

these days

genius 100

what's that?

[plush turret]

flint poor flint

[hardy marten]

ahh I see

[plush turret]

yall got royally fucked by you municiple water

[hardy marten]

who's "y'all" lmao

checks out

[wind egret]

Lead pipes, acidic water, play of the game

[hardy marten]

damn how do they survive?

[plush turret]

bottled water

[hardy marten]

what about water that isn't for drinking? still bottled water?

[wind egret]

It's improved and they can probably use it for other purposes.

[hardy marten]

damn that's awful

[wind egret]

I've heard of another place where their groundwater was contaminated by fracking, so they got complimentary water filtration systems that are bigger than that Tower 900 case.

[plush turret]

well found the monitor im getting: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C3Z74ZP5/

[hardy marten]

oh yeah I know that too, can't remember the name tho sadly

[hardy marten]

isn't that a little bit overkill for your single core PC?

[plush turret]

for the main rig

which im putting a 4090 on

[hardy marten]

oh damnnn

looks good then

[plush turret]

and am going multiscreen

[hardy marten]

I don't understand the appeal of multiscreen either

just get one big monitor

problem solved

and no technical hassle too

[plush turret]

tbh bigger screens for me drag my ADHD through the mud and LSD of too much vertical surface space

[hardy marten]

...LSD?

[plush turret]

yeah, drives me batshit

[hardy marten]

ahh yeah that's a bummer

simply make one yourself!

[plush turret]

i miss so much crap because its like not horzontally in front of me

[hardy marten]

take the initiative and solve your problems!

[plush turret]

also arent ultrawides plauged with video stretch for games that arent made with them in mind?

[opaque pond]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/FHLNQP this?

[hardy marten]

go for mini micro-ATX

and why are you choosing a monitor with a weird resolution

oh right

that's what I meant to say lol

[opaque pond]

16:10 monitor

[frigid heath]

60 hz

[plush turret]

tbh im already gonna have like 6 screens in this room (excluding my phone and book reader) so maybe start single screen get a second for research

[frigid heath]

i bought a better monitor than that 5 years ago for 90E or something

what does proart even mean?