hardware

[median marsh]

much

is

the

card

[dark quartz]

350$ the rtx 3060

[median marsh]

i think that's kinda okayish, not a great deal as of now, but not bad either

[dark quartz]

but for 479$ i could get a 4060ti

but it has 8gb of vram

how much does affect unreal the vram?

[median marsh]

depends on what you do

my suggestion is to rather go for the card with more vram, than the one which gets few more fps

[dark quartz]

yeah I also thought of that

What do you think of AMD cards? Are them a better quality-price ratio than the RTXs to use them in professional cases?

[median marsh]

🤷

[dark quartz]

Cause I saw many people choosing them for gaming cause they say "much better than RTX"

[fallen oasis]

I've had issues with amd cards and the editor before. Probably work fine now.

[silent wyvern]

I wanted to ask about AMD and new Intel GPU as well. Heard it consumes much less energy.

How well does it perform in UE?

[fallen oasis]

A discete gpu?

[mighty cosmos]

I've used a 6900xt until recently and it worked great with UE

[spice girder]

I think he means something like the Intel Arc A770.

[silent wyvern]

I think it's dedicated

[silent wyvern]

Yes, I meant that

[torn gulch]

Do i think I'll be able to run this screen MOBIUZ EX3415R with my computer https://www.amazon.fr/gp/aw/d/B096G89DZ3?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title ?

I've added 16gb ram + ssd

Thanks!

[spice girder]

the gpu will probably be the limiting factor, because it is a mobile gpu and it has only 8GB of VRAM which is for some modern games not enough. But that depense on what setings you are or how big the VRAM usage of the game is that you are making

[torn gulch]

Thanks yeah I think I should upgrade soon then

[spice girder]

I Personally would only buy a GPU today with 12GB VRAM or less if my budget doesn't allows for something like a rtx 4080 or radeon 7900xt/xtx

[foggy swan]

How's UE5 on an M2 Macbook? Been thinking of purchasing one and wanna see how UE5 performs on an M2 Macbook.

[torn gulch]

Yeah I have around 3000 eu but i hesitate between desktop and laptop

[spice girder]

do you need to take the pc with you? if the not a desktop is cheaper in most cases.

[torn gulch]

Yeah I'm moving a lot, even inside the house ahhah and I don't really standing long hours at my desk so I think I can't have a desktop even though I know the performances are way better..

[torn gulch]

@spice girder But i thought about a solution i could just have a remote access configured from my laptop to my desktop and have both even though it can be cumbersome to have 2 different PC.

But yeah considering the prices of the 40+ laptops it's absurd

[mighty patrol]

Anyone got a recommendation for an electric air duster? None of the brands are familiar really to me and not wanting to use air in a can anymore.

[fallen oasis]

I bought just a like super powered wind machine that I hold in my hand. It's amazing.

[silent wyvern]

Hi

Is 32GB RAM good for UE5?

[cedar vessel]

Yeah is more than enough unless you work with very large landscapes or very high number of high poly mesh.

[minor tangle]

Hello, what laptops do you all have? Also, what do you hate about it or wish that it would be better in certain aspects?

[normal cairn]

Y'all. I am

[split bough]

literally empty box?

[normal cairn]

Literally an empty fucking box

That's the Amazon choice one too. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BBHD5D8Y?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
"I was able to confirm with our logistics data that when the item was shipped out, The weight was confirmed to have the item inside the packaging when it was shipped out."
Buuuuuuuuuuulllshit. They advised I file a police report and go from there.

[fresh fog]

my blood is boiling and it's not even me that got scammed by amazon

amazon? more like scamazon

[normal cairn]

after approx 2 hours of dealing with their bullshit and contact local police department, amazon finally decided to process me a refund so much for building a new pc this weekend

Some guy who also ordered the 7950x get an empty box, twice

0 reports of people getting empty boxes when ordering from newegg, so I guess I'll buy it there

[serene dome]

While not empty... the most recent event that I remember was late last year with Newegg and a box with weights. Order was for a GPU.

Personally, I'd just go buy whatever part from a "brick and mortar" business if your area is fortunate to have one still...

[normal cairn]

Neaerest one is a Best Buy that's an hour away... but I'm gonna make the drive because 1) not rolling the dice a second time and 2) I don't want to have to wait for another one to hopefully show up in the mail and delay my build any further .-.

It cost about $60 more but at least I'm guaranteed to have it this time

[fallen oasis]

What's wrong with the purple box?

Just empty? Wow

[median marsh]

whats even with that weird foil wrap

is that common practice for amazon in US?

[normal cairn]

no

[vestal tundra]

I should have went with 4tb instead of 2tb

[silent wyvern]

2TB isn't enough anymore&

[fallen oasis]

I think my board only supports 1TB 😦

[silent wyvern]

o.k.

[fallen oasis]

it's a 3 series TR.

So 2 gens once the 7 series is released this year?

[vestal tundra]

Yeah. I went from basically a boot only nvme drive and 2 1tb sata ssds to 2tb nvme and 2 1tb sata ssds and thought I would be okay

It's been like a month and I am not okay

[vestal tundra]

TR?

Ohhhh, threadripper

[fallen oasis]

Lol Always plan ahead!

Then plan ahead of that ahead!

[vestal tundra]

3930k from 2011 lasted me over 10 years with that attitude

Only moved to AM5 like last month

[coarse hollow]

you are going to want a bigger HDD for sure. 1070 is not adequate for 5.x, 4.x, yeah

32GB will do, but 64 is better (of course, more is always better RAM wise

a 16thread 8 core would be better.. I have an intel 16thread at 5Ghz, and it is good

unless you have a second HDD (maybe a large, slow platter drive) you will run out of space very quickly if Windows, UE, the project, and the Vault Cache are on the 500GB

i have a 1TB NVME and had to invest in a second 2TB for the other NVME slot so i could keep working

[frank glade]

Mitx? What case?

[coarse hollow]

sorry, there is no way i could answer that question. Someone with the same specs would have to test. My guess is you will not be able to make a map that big in that machine

do you mean 12 * 12 or 144 * 144?

ok, you can probably do that

there is no way i could answer that question

[merry wasp]

Guys! What do you think? Nvidia RTX 4070 12 VRAM brand new or RTX 3090 23 VRAM second hand for UE? What are your thought? Thank you!

PS: I will add my opinion, but still deciding.
-3090 is more powerful, but also consumes double the energy. And with energy prices there days 🙂
-4070 has a warranty, 3090 might have if I am lucky to find such a card. But still not the same period.
with 3090 there is a big risk involved when buying a SH card. And for such a price, it's a bit scary.

As you might notice, I am tending to go towards the 4070. But not fully committed yet.

[frank glade]

honestly 3090 for the vram

[fallen oasis]

It's all about the vram.

Which has more vram?

My 3090 has 24gb and it's fantastic.

[spice girder]

3090 alone for the 24gb vram. Since 12gb vram of the rtx 4070 is for me to likely to be not enough.

[frank glade]

wait, I've changed my mind, I can SELL you my 3080 Ti with 12gb of vram

[merry wasp]

4070 has 12 VRAM 🙂

So you say the older tech or the fact that it consumes double the energy is no problem considering it has 24 VRAM vs 12 VRAM for the 4070?

info about 4070 here: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4070.c3924

And infor for 3090 here https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3090.c3622

[merry wasp]

PLus the risk involved in buying a second hand..

Relative performance boost is only 13 % it seems

I am curious if you actually checked VRAM usage in UE. 🙂

I understand

And thank you all!

[median marsh]

according to google the power thing isn't true

The RTX 4070 delivers 0.55 Frames/Watt, while the RTX 3090 delivers 0.58

the 4000 series isn't really a big improvement in terms of power consumption

[fallen oasis]

Surely that makes the 3090 better then?

More frames for the same power.

[median marsh]

i guess that also depends on how much load you put onto them

and i guess most of the time it's not 100%

[mighty cosmos]

No matter how you put it a 3090 is better

Even if they were about the same performance wise the 3090 has more VRAM

[fallen oasis]

It might also be a different base power consumption.

[dark quartz]

guys

I have a gtx 1050ti and a Ryzen 5 1400

I’m gonna buy a rtx 3060 12gb

should i also change the cpu?

16gb ram btw

[merry wasp]

but what happens when you are browsing the web and the the GPU is still hungrier then the other one? I know it consumes depending on the stress, but I do believe the power consumtions is greater when idle.

But I do understand what you mean.

In the end, the more RAM the better.

[mighty cosmos]

A more powerful card will generally be much more efficient at the same load

Rocket league isn't that difficult to run but my previous 6900xt would pull around 100-120W at 200fps

My current 4090, capped at 200 is pulling like 70W
Not even heating up enough to spin up the fans

Well this is across different brands but it should be similar with different generations of the same brand

[silent wyvern]

Is Nvidia 3060 good or optimal match for AMD 5950x ?

[vagrant anvil]

i think the wattage talk is a bit over blown. if a card runs at 300W constantly for 8 hours, it would cost 38 cents a day here in the US. its pretty rare that anyone is running a card that hard every day, so its likely less.

plus, as Blue Man said, you can undervolt a GPU (and CPU for that matter) and see very little performance drop

[median marsh]

it's a good budget choice

the next logical thing for gamedev is imho a 3090/4090 or AMD...

the 3060 obviously not the best performing card, but the 12GB really push what you can do in UE compared to other cards which are even more expensive..

[silent wyvern]

I'm not really after the very best GPU. I'm for a balance of performance and energy consumption.

People say Nvidia works best with UE than AMD GPUs

[median marsh]

energy consumption is always relative to the computing load within a series

the same task on a 3060 and 3090 will most likely drain the same power, maybe less on the 3090 🤷

[fallen oasis]

Maybe they just wanted a cheap vram card.

[mighty cosmos]

I've used a 6900xt before with UE with exactly 0 issues

[fallen oasis]

I had flickering issues with my 6900xt at one point

[merry wasp]

So you're keeping your 4090 capped? And letting it roll whenever necessary? Or how is it?

[merry wasp]

So choosing a 3060 12GB over a 3070 8GB in UE just because of the VRAM?

[mighty cosmos]

If I'm getting excessive number of frames I usually cap it
Usually at 175-200 which is my refresh rate

[raven orchid]

From a solo dev perspective, what would you rather have: 7900xtx w/ 7950x3d or 4090 w/ a 5800x?

[mighty cosmos]

I just limit the fps, didn't touch the temp or power limits
I'm surprised how cool the card actually runs, at 450W the GPU isn't getting over 70C and the hotspot the highest temp I've seen was 75C

[raven orchid]

cuda is mostly for AI stuff right?

[mighty cosmos]

AI, offline renderers often use Cuda too

[raven orchid]

like blender, maya, 3ds?

[mighty cosmos]

yeah

[raven orchid]

there's no hardware acceleration for amd cards in those programs?

[mighty cosmos]

More often than not there is

[tacit reef]

anyone have recommendations for laptop for gamedev and gaming?

or should I build a pc

[lethal geode]

i use a laptop but i highly recommended building a pc

since i’m going to

[bright tendon]

Any users who use a laptop as daily driver for UE5 programming? What model spec?

[dark quartz]

guys
I have a gtx 1050ti and a Ryzen 5 1400
I’m gonna buy a rtx 3060 12gb
should i also change the cpu?
16gb ram btw

[opaque pond]

i've had issues on my desktop but not my laptop

idk whats wrong

[violet spade]

apparently a $299 4060 is coming out in July

[mighty cosmos]

Slower than a 3060ti 🥲

A true next gen upgrade

[fallen oasis]

Tbh it's fine for non-developer low end card.

Probably outperforms the 3060 and uses less power.

I did not see the price, to be fair.

But I don't know what the price of a 3060 is either.

[violet spade]

Considering I’m running a 2060 it would still be an improvement for me

[spice girder]

what is your budget? Maybe we can help you build one if we know it.

[median marsh]

doubt that this is a good machine for smth like that

memory and cpu seem okay, but the GPU is kinda old and as laura said the ssd is way to small for UE stuff

[mighty cosmos]

Get something at least in the 30xx series or from AMD, amd has a lot of good lower end options

[spice girder]

take a look at this.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HV2kk9

[median marsh]

you'll be crucified for that PSU here

[spice girder]

wrong case. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GxTmVw

[median marsh]

i think he knows

he asked for your budget earlier

[spice girder]

I know. but a 1TB ssd small to

[spice girder]

Do you have an Idear how to make it fit the budget?

[median marsh]

he hasnt told his budget?!

oh nvm

680

you should lookup the prices at a local store

it's hard to make a suggestion if the prices are totally different at your location

guess there arent many people here who know how expensive hardware is in egypt

how much is the computer that you posted?

also this sounds like its the first time you are going to use UE

you can keep yourself busy without much complexity for at least a year to learn and implement basic game mechanics

for that, the system you posted is fine

and later you could upgrade the gpu/ssd

i guess it's a used computer? because the gpu is kinda old

then make this 1 or 2 years of learning, at least

so the computer you posted should be ok for that

then i would ask for the price with 1TB ssd instead of 500gb ssd + 500gb hdd

you dont want an hdd, it's useless for anything other than backups

pay that extra $15 for your own sanity

[mighty cosmos]

Same kits bought separately could be slightly different to the point where it makes it unstable to run, in theory
In practice never had issues, currently running 2 kits

[median marsh]

yea, i think that it works in 99% anyways when buying good memory, but from what i know the cheap brands sometimes change dram chips within the same model number, and they may end up with slightly different timings/voltages which may make the setup unstable?!

[mighty cosmos]

they are but they could be using different memory chips internally if they were manufactured at different times

or internal components in general

[median marsh]

yea but i would rate crucial as one of the less worse ones 😄

[mighty cosmos]

Yep pretty much
Generally never had issues with trusted brands and higher end sticks

[median marsh]

they are micron after all?!

1070 imho

i dont know anything about the quadro cards, but apparently the 1070 is 2.5x faster

i think they are more designed towards applications which need much video memory but not much 3d performance

like video editing, CAD/CAM etc.

[mighty cosmos]

ChatGpt told me there is your first mistake

[median marsh]

listen to BenGPT

[frank glade]

I think cgchannel did a recent review comparing both rtx and quadro cards

Not worth it at all

Unless you want the VRAM

[median marsh]

which in this case is 8GB for both, so a nobrainer to take the 1070

[median marsh]

i would take the GPU but keep in mind that you have to replace it in 1-2 years

you can do a lot more with a 1070 😛

ive used a 1660 for 1.5 years or smth

and the main reason i upgraded was vram

which would have been a pita earlier if the 1660 hadnt 6gb already

he said that 3060 is around $600 where he lives

i feel like the 1070 is the best deal of that offer, considering how much the 3060 would be

if even an good entry level gpu would cost him as much as the whole pc

[mighty cosmos]

Rider's AI thing provided a surprisingly reasonable answer lol

I wonder how could have ChatGPT say that k5200 is better

[median marsh]

i guess they use the chatgpt api, too

maybe the way how they query it, is better suited

and also, the way you phrased your question

oh wait

your question was pretty simple 😄

[mighty cosmos]

it sounds like a fine tuned version of GPT3/4 that they are running

[median marsh]

or is the thing in the top right only a summary and not the whole prompt?

[mighty cosmos]

it's the whole prompt

[median marsh]

okay thats worse than i thought, $210 is quite the price

how comes that everything is reasonable priced but the GPU is still priced like in the corona crisis...

[mighty cosmos]

that's the prompt 😅

It's definitely a fine tuned version, anything tech or code related and it's quite a lot better than normal GPT

[median marsh]

to make a game like that you'll need years of experience

so dont worry about what you start with...

tutorial*

i can bake 10 recipes and still have no clue what i'm doing, neither would it make me a chef

oh

brb

[spice girder]

xD

[median marsh]

didn't the course cover that topic?

that's a large human/tree then

if this is 12x12km then the tree is at least 1sqkm

[vestal tundra]

I basically did that last week not paying attention lol

Somehow ended up with tree sized grass and mountain sized trees

[median marsh]

the real question is how large a chunk of that map will be, and if the textures/meshes of the assets will fit in your video memory

and if the GPU will be able to render that in a reasonable amount of time without choking your editor to death

and that depends mostly on your assets that you use...

and how well you optimize

[median marsh]

no

probably not a single second

[violet spade]

Eww hdd?

[mighty cosmos]

literally any SSD will be better

it takes me about 30min to compile 5.2 on a sata SSD
It would take well over an hour on a HHD and like 27-28min with an nvme

[fervent jolt]

meanwhile basically any SSD:

(ok i watched it for like 20 seconds and cherry picked a low number i admit it)

now that's just hogwash

[mighty cosmos]

on 5.2 it's maxing my ssd for a good minute and a half and CPU doing nothing
So that's probably the time I would save

Yeah I tried compiling the engine on a couple of different sata SSDs and it was maxing out every single one of them
Wasn't before switching to the 5950x

[median marsh]

an nvme is useful if you have to read/write large amounts of data

but compiling is mostly smol files

and for writing the OS write cache can compensate quite a bit

[raven orchid]

kind of a weird question but does ue5 make extensive use of hotkeys on the F-row? I'm wondering if using a 65% keyboard will be kind of annoying

[mighty cosmos]

My recommendation is the GMMK2 96%
Similar size as the 65% but has all the keys

it's the one I'm using and the KB is great
Red pre lubed linear switches, damping out of the box and built like a tank
https://www.gloriousgaming.com/products/gmmk2

has a numpad

yeah, switch to the 96% variant

Welp I know at least for myself after using it that nothing else can compete :p

yeah, no thanks

[fallen oasis]

I accidentally bought 2 US K120s. US enter key does indeed suck.

And the fact that | is alt+shift+# (the key above enter)

Is really shitty.

[raven orchid]

this is the best budget keyboard https://modedesigns.com/products/envoy

for keeb connoisseurs

honestly I could probably just make it work......i've gotten along w/ tmux + vim setups on a 65%

[fallen oasis]

If only they weren't US layouts

[median marsh]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61zwK1rA8pL.jpg i raise you the $25 keyboard

it even has a numpad

[tacit reef]

so my pc died and I'm thinking of building a new one on a budget, previous cpu was i7 2600k, is it worth it to get i7 or is i5 fine nowadays?

[median marsh]

if its the context menu key, its there

its missing a 2nd super/win key

oh wait, thats Fn, right

yeah, cherry had a nice slim keyboard for a while but for some reason they dont produce it anymore 😭

[spice girder]

Keychron has a 75% version of one.
Maybe they will ad more sizes in the future
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-s1-qmk-custom-mechanical-keyboard?variant=40299845943385

[west quail]

dual slot 2 16gb 3200mhz vs 2 16gb 2 8gb 3200mhz, thoughts?

[silent wyvern]

That's my line

[silent wyvern]

Why do you have New member system icon?

your new account?

[tacit reef]

ty, I was looking at 12th gen i7, 12700k . what are your specs now if u don't mind me asking? and what motherboard

[frank glade]

You should def get 13th gen

[west quail]

no thoughts? more ram for potentially less speed?

[silent wyvern]

you just added 1 before 2600x XD

[spice girder]

I would go with amd they use less power

they are basically the same

very minor that don't matter. Just one is manufactured by MSI and the other one by Nvidia

[median marsh]

they are irrelevant

MSI is just a company that produces graphics cards

they use the same chipset, and probably the same board design

[fallen oasis]

And other equipment

[west quail]

dual slot 2 16gb 3200mhz vs 2 16gb 2 8gb 3200mhz, thoughts?

the 16gb match but the 2 8gb are mismatched

[fallen oasis]

Mismatched ram is never a good idea.

Try it. If it works, you're good.

It may not.

[median marsh]

or it may

worst case is you need to adjust the timings/voltage etc. manually, which depending on the board can be a pita

[tacit reef]

what is the amd equivalent? sorry, I'm not too familiar with amd products other than this rx480 gpu which I kinda wish I never bought lol

[spice girder]

the amd ryzen 7 7700x ( 8 core) is the amd equivalent of the Intel i7 13700k, but the ryzen 9 7900x (12 core) is around the same price point.

[spice girder]

I think this can help too.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/13th-Gen-Intel-Core-Processors-Content-Creation-Review-2369/#CPU_Rendering_Blender

[wanton hollow]

Cache is more important or the number of cores of the CPU's for UE5 ?

[wanton hollow]

Thanks for ur information
6900XT 16GB or 3080 TI 12GB ?

Everybody tell me the Nvidia is better for game developing

[mighty cosmos]

6900xt
In a lot of cases faster than a 3090 in rasterization and more memory than the 3080

[wanton hollow]

So for game developing 6900xt is better?

also its will be better in 3d modeling?

Which gpu u are using

[mighty cosmos]

between the 2 6900xt is gonna be better if you don't specifically need Cuda for anything

[mighty cosmos]

6900xt in my 2nd PC and a 4090 in my main PC

[vestal tundra]

I figured I'd eventually need Cuda for something

[mighty cosmos]

in this case 6900xt would be my choice, just the extra memory is worth it, and it's faster

[vestal tundra]

$580 for a 6950xt right now

[median marsh]

fml, i paid that much for an 3060 when they released 😭

and 3090TI are still >1400€ here... (4090 >1600€)

[vestal tundra]

I was so excited to buy a 3080 on launch day

But I woke up too late

And they were never in stock again

[median marsh]

so there's no real reason to get a 3090 if you get +50% performance for like 15% more money

[mighty cosmos]

4090 is 2400$ here 🥲

[median marsh]

just order in germany then 😛

you are from UK, not?

but well, you got one already

[mighty cosmos]

By the time I pay the import taxes it ends up costing me the same 😅

[median marsh]

oh right

that wasn't necessary before brexit, or was it?

[mighty cosmos]

I think it was always like that, pretty sure we always had 25% taxes on import
Could be wrong

25% + shipping ends up about the same as here sadly

[median marsh]

yea, that's quite the import tax

considering that it's for smth that you cant get from local suppliers (i mean, locally produced within UK)

[mighty cosmos]

It's insane
Seeing a 1600$ msrp for a 4090 feels cheep, which it isn't
But it feels cheap compared to the insanity here

(I'm in Croatia)

[median marsh]

oh

i think i somehow confuse it everytime 😄

but they dont produce GPUs either 😄

[mighty cosmos]

yeah 😅

[vestal tundra]

All I know about Croatia is that it looked really cool in GoT

[mighty cosmos]

lol

had no clue it was even filmed here lol

Knew star wars was tho

[vestal tundra]

Dubrovnik is Kings Landing!

[raven orchid]

is the quality of life that much worse doing solo dev work on an 8 core vs a 16 core

[wind egret]

Depends on what you need the rest of the money for, and if you're trying to make the next super hexagon.

[raven orchid]

just trying to be frugal for now

[wanton hollow]

Can you explain me about cuda cores and usage of them in game developing?

[wind egret]

Accidental quote?

[hazy stream]

Out of curiosity, is RTX 4070 enough for solo game dev using UE5?

[vestal tundra]

Yes

[devout pendant]

what about 3070, ryzen 5900x, 64gb RAM

[vestal tundra]

Id say no lower than 12gb vram, but I'm sure there are people on here happily deving with a 3070.

[fallen oasis]

3060 12gb version is a better fit for dev

[wanton hollow]

Ok well

what about 4060ti

i think its OP GPU in 400$ range

[frank glade]

Rtx 4000 SFF 20gb 😌

[wanton hollow]

in my countrie I can buy used 6900xt swft for like 283$-383$ ( I try to find which is not used for mining )

Or I can spend 490-550$ for get 4060ti ( not used before )

but idk which going to be my selection

[wanton hollow]

also I can buy used 3080ti with this price too

the 16gb version?

oh my wrong

I was think u mean 4060ti

XD

So I dont gonna buy 3080ti

but 4060ti with 16gb vram or 6900xt swft

[wanton hollow]

i think 4060 will be better than 6900 cus of dlss 3 & better ray tracing

[spice girder]

form most cases 8GB vram is not enough specially not future proof.

[agile lodge]

https://wccftech.com/asus-concept-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-gpu-comes-with-an-onboard-m-2-gen-4-ssd-slots/?dark=1

m.2 on graphic card good or bad idea?

[frigid heath]

i think so, my mobo can only use a few m.2 might be usefull if i want an extra

also its eating a melon, i like melon

dont see it as a thing that wil last super long, but the way PCs are build atm it might be cool for a few generations

[median marsh]

they still waste an 4 lanes...

could be good, if executed correct, specially for small cases

[timber cobalt]

Virtualisations of textures and meshes will be more and more popular choice in games and a fast drive near to the gpu could be an interesting solution.

[median marsh]

would make more sense to have like 1-2 DDR5 slots then 😄

https://pbs-prod.linustechtips.com/monthly_2021_12/C5AACFEC-2B20-4D71-8723-2C38D7AE558C.jpeg.11a28372ec2a16704173bebfacc07124.jpeg

like in the good old days

[wind egret]

You see, cards such as NVIDIA's RTX 4060 series feature just PCIe x8 lanes which means that AIBs using a full x16 slot have an additional x8 lane. M.2 SSDs utilize the PCIe x4 interface and that makes perfect sense to put up to two SSD slots on the PCB of the card.

[vestal tundra]

upgradable ddr5 swapfile on a gpu sounds like it would be so nice to my naive mind

[median marsh]

well, the bandwidth of 16 pci express 5.0 lanes is enough to saturate the bandwidth of a single channel ddr5-8000 stick...

[vestal tundra]

Isn't it more a latency thing?

[median marsh]

but it would probably still be faster than host memory since it wont occupy the cpu

[vestal tundra]

I remember seeing something like 40ms to go from system memory to vram, but not sure what the exact circumstance was

[median marsh]

yea it would be faster if the gpu could stream the data from an onboard stick

compared to a setup where the gpu has to use host memory because its out of vram

but then, that would probably also require major engine changes to be supported well

[vestal tundra]

DirectStorage and gpu decompression one day

[median marsh]

it would still be neat tho

imagine you could load all assets for a level in that gpu memory, and stream from there to the fast vram

some stuff might be even fast enough to only use the slow memory and never be loaded to the actual vram

[raven orchid]

If I already have a 5800x, am I really going to improve my quality of life as a solo dev if I move to a 7950x?

is it mostly just getting faster compile times?

damn, or that's good

I guess hard for me to justify the extra cost at this time

[tulip cloak]

I mean yeah it's a faster cpu so cpu tasks like compiling source code, building lighting, recompiling shaders, and packaging projects are naturally going to be faster

[raven orchid]

I just wonder how often I would do that in a given day

since I'm still early beginner phase I would guess not much

ya I already havea fast gpu

[tulip cloak]

I mean yeah you don't need the best hardware to get into game development, dip your toes in and if you get serious and need to get more efficient you can get a new cpu at a later point

[raven orchid]

thanks buddy, my wallet loves you

hehe

I figure by the time I get serious about it

there'll be new cpus out that will be at least 50% faster than wwhat we hav enow

in a couple years

maybe new threadripper platform

although I'm not sure threadripper will be made to fit into an ITX case

ya I meant a new threadripper release

I heard there were some rumours of it

I imagine eventually consumer core counts will be going up anyways so maybe that's why it's not going to be a thing

at least for AMDs ccx

AMD ccx must eventually increase beyond 8

haha I think that era is long gone thankfully

eventually we'll get high end RISC processors

2 years?

AMD has been competitive for longer

since zen 2 I would say

I think were talking about different things

ya definitely

I guess when intel dominated that was a fairly long period of uncompetitiveness and most recently AMD has dominated for a few years and Intel has been uncompetitive

but now they're finally on fairly level ground

ya they want to become the premium brand

[fallen oasis]

Tbh in the end it doesn't matter which is better, it's all about the price point.

AMD could be a few % worse, but if they're 10% cheaper, they'll sell more.

[mighty cosmos]

I'm looking forward to the next gen of CPUs, I'm holding on to my 5950x till then

Also hoping ddr5 support gets more stable because I keep hearing horror stories still

[vestal tundra]

I honestly don't even have a use for it. I just like neat things and it looks neat

[agile lodge]

new intel arc gpus in the market at least on newegg https://www.sparkle.com.tw/en/ARC

[frigid heath]

i have seen some tests on intel gpu and they had some translucent artifacts in some games

[agile lodge]

how old those test have being?

the drivers have improved a lot

on newegg

[fallen oasis]

I'm not sure I can trust a brand called "SPARKLE"

Love how the titan oc edition still only has 8gb

[frigid heath]

yea been a while since i been in the market for a new gpu, a year, mayB 1.5

never had an intel gpu

I imagine they should give some good deal cuz they new in the market and have to fight for reputation and marketshare, but i didnt even see that on the paper stats

like i bought an 8 gig amd card a long time ago for under 200$

their integrated gpu were pretty decent tho

like when my card died and i had to use my intel cpu/gpu i was like ... its not even terrible

[lucid dawn]

Can anyone please suggest me a good 1440p monitor (minimum 24", maximum and preferred 27") that has accurate and rich enough colors, and good static contrast (above 1000:1)?
I don't really care about refresh rate, and I'd like to avoid curvy monitors
Also as I'm occasionally gaming (though much less than doing productive tasks) I'd like one that doesn't have too much ghosting

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm not much into videos for this kind of researches, rather hard to skim through :/

Just so where I currently am in my researches is known:

• Considered OLED first, but I relunctantly came to the conclusion that maybe it isn't the year of the OLED monitor yet. All the 1440p 27" monitors with this technology ask you to shell a grand out (with tax) for it, and I blame it on the stupidly high refresh rate nobody with decent expectations would ask for. Add to that the still unfixed burn-in problem
• After learning more about the LCD technologies I understood IPS has generally nice colors but terrible contrast, while VA has excellent contrast (though obviously inferior to OLED) but washed out colors. What looked like the perfect compromise was that new IPS Black technology, but alas, all of the displays using it are 4K, which is simply overkill for a monitor, especially a 27" one. Gave up though it was on my budget, but I care more about the planet and my principles
• I'm now thinking about VA, but as colors is very important, I wonder if I could find anything satisfactory

[fresh fog]

Im using an asus pro art at the moment. Granted I got the 4k model, but the 1440p one is not bad either. The contrast is 1000:1 though.

27" too

[lucid dawn]

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out, though the contrast will certainly be a game breaker here

[spice girder]

the only monitor with that specs that i know of is the Eizo ColorEdge CG2700S which is around $2000

[lucid dawn]

How expensive
Should have mentioned that when it comes to colors I'd like something that could satsify someone who does productive work but isn't necessarily a professional, so something closer to the "decent" than "excellent"

[spice girder]

if you want good color and higher then 1000:1 contrast you have professional grade IPS or OLED Monitors.

Unless I miss something.

[lucid dawn]

That's why I'm not too concerned about accuracy in fact

[fallen oasis]

Even if they don't come calibrated correctly, you can probably do it yourself.

[lucid dawn]

OLED is unfortunately striked from my list, and I'm looking for those professional grade IPS (if reasonably priced, < 1000€ tax included that is). Closest I got at the moment is IPS black displays

[spice girder]

the problem is the contrast and not the factory color calibration, which can get fixed after buying it.

[lucid dawn]

Calibration isn't the only thing about colors, there's also gamut
But this matter is tougher for me because contrarily to contrast I don't really know where to draw the line

For instance I found a decent 1440p 27" 75Hz VA monitor at a very reasonable price, and its sRGB coverage is 104% (NTSC is 72%). Good enough for the colors to look great? I still don't know

[fallen oasis]

Go to an actual store.

Look at the monitors.

Then buy off amazon 😂

[lucid dawn]

That's exactly what I thought some time after posting
But most of what's displayed suck if it's not a specialized store, and there's not a lot of that easily accessible

So maybe I'll just take it despite its mid response time (5 ms). Not like I really noticed it anyway, though I was definitely curious how better would look
But that's too many pieces to fit together, and I'm running out of patience
If anyone got better feel free to ping me still in case I changed my mind though

[fallen oasis]

Even if they are shit monitors, you may at least be able to see the difference between contrast ratios.

[lucid dawn]

Would need a lot of exposure to fully realize the differences. Plus I've spent so much time with an apparently terrible monitor (TFT TN) that everything will look great compared to it
From what I read, 1000:1 is rather terrible (can confirm), 2000:1 is decent and 3000:1 is good. I'll trust that

[mighty cosmos]

I would say response time is pretty important
My current monitor has quite a lot better gray to gray time than my previous monitor and if I limit both to 144Hz (max refresh rate of my previous monitor) the new one has noticeably sharper image with less ghosting when gaming for example

1000:1 is pretty standard and will look pretty good on a good IPS panel

[lucid dawn]

In what context though? If it's for gaming I'm not doing much of it, so I could pass despite most of mine being fast-paced

[mighty cosmos]

I personally wouldn't use anything slower than 90Hz for anything

If you are investing in a high end panel get a high refresh monitor

[lucid dawn]

Seen panels with high refresh and couldn't really tell the difference, hence why I said I do not care much

[mighty cosmos]

The difference is massive but if you don't see it then I guess it's not worth it for you

[lucid dawn]

I'm more sensible to things like color depths, though not on a professional level

My biggest complaint with my current screen really is about colors and blacks, I never really noticed the ghosting until recently

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah I'm a lot more sensitive to the refresh rate and responsiveness of the display, 60Hz to me looks laggy and I quite literally feel sick after using it for a bit
But if you are coming from a TN panel than almost any mid or higher end IPS panel will look 10x better

TN are notorious for awful contrast, 1000:1 on TN will be much worse than same ratio on an IPS

[lucid dawn]

Hm, didn't know the same contrast ratio would appear differently depending on the technology

[mighty cosmos]

If you can I would recommend going to a local store and seeing different displays in person

[lucid dawn]

There's only hypermarkets easily accesible to me, but that could be a start I guess

[mighty cosmos]

yeah because our recommendation might not actually look good to you, so best to see in person

[fresh fog]

I mean I own 2 different IPS monitors with 1000:1 contrast and they're both amazing

ones 1 I bought, and the other is a work supplied one. so i guess i dont own that one :P

[mighty cosmos]

yeah both of mine are 1000:1 and they look great in person

[fresh fog]

Yeah, my guess is you've been reading too many articles from armchair monitor experts.
Kinda like how those coffee aficionados insist you need a $1000 coffee setup, and beans that were picked that morning to get a drinkable shot of espresso :P

because 1000:1 is not rather terrible at all.
Both of my 1000:1 have the best color I have ever seen ngl.

Aside from monitors that cost as much as a high end PC

[vestal tundra]

Hi, I'm an armchair monitor expert. CRTs make the best armchairs because you can sit on them without breaking

Seriously tho, I've been really happy with the LG OLED for mixed use

[median marsh]

had an 21" crt which even made a good seat

the monitor stand was probably better quality than some gamer chairs 😄

[fresh fog]

must have been built out of the same material as the nokia 3310 to support that behemoth of a monitor

CRTs would have bene a lot easier to move around if the gave them fold out wheels and an rc controller

just drive it whereever it needs to go. Then you can pick it up and plonk it down

[vestal tundra]

Monitors are really frustrating because you spend all of this money on fast response times, high refresh rate, strobing, ect, just for TAA/TSR/DLSS/FSR/DLAA to ruin the fidelity of the image in motion

[lucid dawn]

That was my first choice, especially since it was the most affordable, but guess that was for a reason (terrible matte coating)

[vestal tundra]

I consider myself 'lucky' because I don't think I've ever even owned a non-matte screen

So it's never been a dealbreaker for me

[lucid dawn]

I don't really have something against matte screen in general, but apparently theirs makes everything blurry and introduces a halo around some elements

No other matte screen I've seen reviews about has this kind of complaint

[vestal tundra]

I think it's more that people were really hopping for a glossy screen than people who have it are complaining

The biggest issue I've had, is that it really struggles making consistent low luminance greys

Kind of gives flat dark greys a 'grainey' kind of look

[median marsh]

it's cheaper than an RTX card

[frank glade]

reminds me of my first 1440p monitor back in the day that had horrible matte coating that made anything sparkle

[fresh fog]

that seems counter intuitive

[marsh magnet]

Does anyone have any charts/tests on AMD RX 7900 GPUs with Unreal Engine?

[median marsh]

pudgetsystems probably has

it's 4.26 tho

[mighty cosmos]

That benchmark doesn't feel right, RT off

Unless this was tested with the initial drivers there is something very wrong with that benchmark

Yeah there is 100% something off with the benchmark because there isn't a chance it's that bad

My previous 6900xt was roughly on par with a 3090 for rasterization

[frigid heath]

never heared of that site

Im the real BM

[mighty cosmos]

Well it's a good site but that benchmark is fishy

[fallen oasis]

Puget is pretty reliable.

You should probably poke @vagrant anvil

[frigid heath]

I usually use a local site, or gamernexus if i want some really deep stats

gamernexus does content creation stuff too

blender is often benchmarked too

[mighty cosmos]

I still can't imagine a 7900xtx being that much worse than my previous 6900xt

[frigid heath]

hmm, mayB

like i said never heared of the site

[fallen oasis]

Someone was doing that the other week.

[mighty cosmos]

There is 100% something wrong with this benchmark, there is a massive discrepancy between this and other benchmarks
Unless as I said this was tested with very first initial drivers

[frigid heath]

gamernexus does really indepth testing, i just know that

😄

[mighty cosmos]

It's tempting

Oh ffs

[frigid heath]

I even confuse myself sometimes

[fallen oasis]

Surely it's easy to tell by the colour?

And the icon.

[frigid heath]

😛

im both online and inactive

a state of hyper Blue Man flux

also i dont know how to grab the true image

I used AI to generate an image for Blue Man profile pic online

[mighty cosmos]

😐

[vagrant anvil]

I have been summoned! but yes, that was all in 4.26, two projects had ray tracing disabled, two had it enabled, and the chart in question is an average of them. Unfortunatly one of the non-ray tracing benchmarks the 7900XTX performed horribly, and I could not figure out why. Even sent everything to AMD but they didn't give me an answer. the two sceenes where ray tracing was enabled, AMD just outright has a disadvantage. So on average, it made the 7900 look bad. if you look at the other non-RT project, the 7900XTX was close to a RTX 4080.

[fallen oasis]

Ah ha.

That's some oddness.

Maybe it was the drivers like BM suggested?

[vagrant anvil]

could be. it was only in one specific project, the "Megascans Abandoned Apartment."

for 5.x I rebuilt all lighting setups for all the projects to better support Lumen. AMD does much better there, near 4080 if hardware RT is disabled, and just below 4070 if it is enabled. so it really just depends on what you are trying to make.

actually, looking at the most recent GPU testing, AMD faired better in 4.26, so maybe it was a bad driver: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/nvidia-rtx-4070-and-4060-ti-8gb-content-creation-review/#Game_DevVirtual_Production_Unreal_Engine

[fallen oasis]

Thanks! @mighty cosmos @frigid heath (just going to highlight both of you because fuck it)

[frigid heath]

np

[mighty cosmos]

np

My suspicion is early drivers

I mean the original tests that were off

[vagrant anvil]

thats only because NVIDIA is a generation ahead in hardware accelerated ray tracing. if you are working in rasterized, or software Lumen, then its close to a 4080

[mighty cosmos]

yeah I mean RT is not AMD's strongest point, but it's definitely usable

[vagrant anvil]

also doesn't weight VRAM because NVIDIA likes to crash when Unreal goes over

[frigid heath]

AMD is actually ahead with power consumption atm right?

[mighty cosmos]

What temps are you getting on your 4090?
On mine it never even once crossed 70C on the GPU and hotspot was max like 75C at 450W

Was actually surprised how cool it runs

[vagrant anvil]

not really. I mean its better than a 4090, but about equal to a 4080

[mighty cosmos]

lol
Yeah it seems like cooling on most 4090s is a bit OP 😅 @iron zenith

[fallen oasis]

And the fires?

[mighty cosmos]

price is painful and I wish it had more VRAM
Tho I have 0 coil whine, the quietest card I had so far, every single one before had quite a bit of coil whine

yeah I hate the connector

I'm ocassionally still checking on it lol

Yeah surprisingly on mine I got 0, completely silent and I've been running some ML stuff on it
Was fully expecting it to be screaming at me whenever I run something lol

which one did you get?

Ah
I'm using gigabyte's gaming oc

Tho I love how FE looks, it might be one of the better FE designs

they did a good job with the FE

The one I got is a brick, came with an anti sag bracket that screws into the case and into the gpu lol

[fallen oasis]

I definitely need to get my air blower out and clear the dust out of my fans.

[mighty cosmos]

With my current build I have a whole bunch of fans pulling in air and like 2 pulling out so it's pushing air out through all the cracks in the case and the inside is prefectly clean, no dust at all
But the fan filters are full in like 2 weeks so have to clean the filters often

Those are actually impressive temps for a small case

[fallen oasis]

I basically never dust. Anything.

And my cat gets hair everywhere.

[normal cairn]

Did you also get a lil stand?

[frank glade]

Is it mitx?

[mighty cosmos]

No I got like a brace that screws into the case and into the gpu on the side, it's like an L shaped bracket

[mighty cosmos]

That's the best picture I can get without opening the side panel 😅

But it holds the gpu really well, it's rock solid, there is no pressure on the pci slot

Well... Minimal pressure

Lool how massive that gpu is... That's a full sized ATX motherboard lol

[fallen oasis]

I got one of these!

[mighty cosmos]

It's actually a nice solution

[normal cairn]

Yeah it was bigger than I was expecting...

When I got my case I thought "this baby can fit so many gpus in it"

until i put the 4090 in it

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah lmao

I'm so glad I went with the largest case I could find

[normal cairn]

I wish I could go smaller. Hopefully GPUs get smaller in the future

[frank glade]

you can go smaller, mitx cases nowadays can fit the biggest cards (almost)

[median marsh]

yea it makes the mobo look reaally smol 😄

is that mount screwed on the ATX mobo mounts?

or how is it universal?

[fallen oasis]

Magic

[normal cairn]

the mount that I got with mine (in addition to that lil stand) screws into the mobo mounts

[mighty cosmos]

Honestly I prefer large cases, I always used smaller ones and after cutting my fingers on crap, barely fitting gpus, radiators, fighting with cables... I had enough and went with the largest one lol

[median marsh]

i was so happy that cases can get smaller since optical drives and harddisks got obsolete

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah, it screws through the mb mount into the case

[median marsh]

and now GPUs take up all the space 😄

[fallen oasis]

I have a ridiculously big case.

It's almost too heavy to lift because of the tempered glass.

[median marsh]

https://image1280.macovi.de/images/product_images/1280/1329555_7__8939452-7.jpg got that one

guess it would fit a 3090/4090?

[mighty cosmos]

Oh I can barely lift it or not at all lol

https://es.thermaltake.com/view-71-tempered-glass-snow-edition.html

[frank glade]

hello

[mighty cosmos]

Have this ine

[fallen oasis]

https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/p/pc-cases/cc-9011218-ww/7000d-airflow-full-tower-atx-pc-case-black-cc-9011218-ww I have one of these in white.

[mighty cosmos]

Full tower is where it's at

But it does make cable Management and working inside it a lot less annoying

[median marsh]

damn

apparently some would fit and some wont, got to keep that in mind for never, because i probably wont get one soon 😄

[frank glade]

7000d is so big it can fit four of my mitx case with some extra room damn

[mighty cosmos]

I'm not looking forward to my next upgrade
New cpu, mb, 128gb ddr5 and have to get a new aio

My bank account ain't gonna be happy about that one

Waiting for the next gen cups first

[median marsh]

next gen cups will keep your coffee warmer

[mighty cosmos]

And I hate the fact that hitting 100c is the new normal

For CPUs

It feels very uncomfortable

[median marsh]

well, depends

run a steam turbine with it and get some energy back

[mighty cosmos]

Lol

[normal cairn]

my 7950x seems to stay <=70F. I haven't seen it go above 70 yet

[mighty cosmos]

I wonder how big of an upgrade next gen is gonna be over 7950x

I'm on a 5950x, I skipped this gen, obviously wasn't worth upgrading

[normal cairn]

I came from a 1700x. Hella upgrades lol

[mighty cosmos]

Oh damn, yeah lol

My local retailer already knows me since I buy all my stuff there

I usually call them to reserve stuff in advance or order it for me 😅

If I order it myself it's like a week until it gets to me

If I get them to order it for me it usually comes in like a day or 2 so that's what I do when I need hardware lol

[fallen oasis]

You can already get USB cups that stay warm.

Might just be a bit more efficient too.

Calculating pi to keep your pie warm.

[primal matrix]

I don't wanna build a pc because I don't trust myself, are these specs good or should I go a bit higher?

[median marsh]

that cpu was released 8 years ago...

[primal matrix]

Damn

Didn't know

[crisp kernel]

memory is not enough for ue5

[median marsh]

memory amount is actually the only good thing about this machine 😄

[crisp kernel]

just everything is outdated generally

[median marsh]

relative to the other components

[mighty cosmos]

32gb is fine

Wouldn't recommend less than that tho

[crisp kernel]

256gb ssd is not enough for ue5 dev also

[wind egret]

Using a 3TB HDD for UE5 dev could be interesting.

[primal matrix]

Is there any other pre-built pcs that are decent

[frank glade]

Puget systems?

[primal matrix]

My max is around 750$

I could probably go up to 1k if I'm able to save long enough

Yeah

[fallen oasis]

They managed to typo keyboard... Twice.

[median marsh]

the worst thing is that it's not copy paste 😄

[devout pendant]

I installed a PCIe gen 3 SSD with 1TB. Now I have 1TB + 500GB. I want to install another OS because windows 11 is failing to run old games

virtualbox is limited to 256MB of VRAM for some reason

it's enough to run very old games, but not games which require 1GB or more

[unborn thunder]

i'm thinking about buying this PC for unreal engine (and possibly some games too) what do you guys think? Intel Core i7-8700 (3.4 GHz), NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8G GDDR6, 16GB DDR4, 1TB NVMe SSD

[frank glade]

But is that a prebuilt?

[opaque pond]

a 4 core cpu with 4 threads from quite a few years ago is going to be an uhhhh not top of the line lets say...

[frigid heath]

damn DDR4 got real cheap, i only got 16 cuz at that time there was a big spike in price.... looks like i can now grab 32 and ill still be cheaper off

yea thats a hefty price drop

from 225 to 70

triple the RAM for the same price

at minimum

[vestal tundra]

Sorry, I'm dumb and new. What would I use that for?

And they just have basically unlimited storage?

Huh. That's really good to know! Thanks!

[crisp kernel]

Just get as much as RAM you can. It is cheap now and actually Unreal needs huge memory usage.

[silent wyvern]

Which one is better Geforce RTX 3060 12GB or 3080 10GB?

[frigid heath]

for 450$ it seems like a decent setup, 2 cores extra would be nice tho

depending on what you do some extra vram would be more usefull, but seems an allright balanced budget setup

[vestal tundra]

Is there anything I need to do to make sure I don't run up a $10k Azure bill because I'm dumb

[silent wyvern]

3060 TDP is 115W and 3080 is 370W

Why so much power consumption increase?

[vestal tundra]

3080 is a lot more powerful, performance wise

[silent wyvern]

I'm afraid to use my $2k free AWS credit

[silent wyvern]

3x performance?

I think I will go with 3060

is ti version weak?

ok

[frank glade]

I trust him in knowing he can't trust himself

[median marsh]

i can't recommend the g.skill memory

i had g.skill on DDR2 and one stick failed, and i have those ripjaws and one stick failed...

[mighty cosmos]

Corsair is my go to always

[fresh fog]

Crucial mx500 is so good for its price point

[fresh fog]

ah my nvme drive is a sabrent rocket

theyre pretty good but have gotten rather pricey in recent years

[median marsh]

does amazon handle taxes for you?

it's risky tho, if something is broken you are kinda screwed

[median marsh]

1.) idk
2.) yes they should work together
3.) yes
4.) you also need a case and power supply!?

[normal cairn]

nah, we just running copper wire from the outlet to the mobo.

assemble it on a cardboard box on the floor. Ya know, to insulate the electricity and stuff

cant make it dangerous

also you reached 20k pings 🥳
#lounge message

"bro" is that part of the psu name? 😂

[median marsh]

no i can't

[wind egret]

On paper, all of those components are perfectly compatible.
The uncertainty is that:
A. Motherboards are a mystery. Small bugs in the firmware can lead to obscure, untestable, unforeseeable issues, and they don't list the firmware version on the box (or I can't find it).
a. Motherboards have a Qualified Vendor List for which memory modules they are guaranteed to be compatible with, but the QVL is rarely if ever updated, meaning it's likely you won't be able to find those exact modules for sale a year later, and they cost more thanks to demand.
B. Sometimes hardware components are just broken, and narrowing down the faulty component can be difficult.
C. No vendor is so good or thorough that they can be described as the 'safe' or even 'safest' option.
Fortunately, these problems are rare.

[devout pendant]

i dont have a lot of space at my place. i need to get a new pc that is capable of running uE5 very well. what kind of pc/laptop/mac should i get

i've got $3k i can use

[silent wyvern]

For $3k any build will run UE5

[devout pendant]

will a mac book run it?

[devout pendant]

is a 3060Ti good enough for this?

[devout pendant]

So something in the 4 series, i just have to find one that’s small

[fresh fog]

honestly, for 3k you could get a pretty god tier unreal rig

you go to apple at that price point and youll end up with something a hell of a lot worse

and i wouldnt consider a laptop tbh

[devout pendant]

i did find a laptop from MSi that would be sick as hell but its 5 grand. i really dont have room for a desktop but i came up with this build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k2Znk9

[devout pendant]

pcpartpicker doesnt have ddr5.

did 5 just come out?

[spice girder]

you need a mainboard that supports ddr5

[devout pendant]

you go above a 12gb on the graphics cards and its all the tripple fan cards that are to big for the case and cost more than $1000

[fresh fog]

tbf you can afford a 16gb card in that budget

for 3k you can easily get 64GB RAM, a 4080 and a 7950X

hopefully the added competition forces amd to go back to their more consumer friendly route

i noticed prices climbing and their really good stock coolers being unincluded

intel's really solid lineup should ground them a bit

[frank glade]

but why that case? I think there's matx cases that can fit any big card

[fresh fog]

yeah

i managed to put together a build with 64GB ram a 4080 and a 7950x and there's still $200 to play with, if you wanted an x670 board, or just a better mobo in general, or a larger wattage psu, or another 64GB kit of ram to be completely OTT

or hell another 2tb nvme drive if you so desired

sorry, $300 even

because i didnt realise it didnt remove the old cooler and ram i had on there

[frank glade]

AP201, 360mm AIO if you wish, 170mm air cooler and 338mm gpus

[fresh fog]

I really like the fractal pop air

solid, cheap case, with plenty of room

max gpu length of 405mm

and it's quite stylish

[spice girder]

pcpartpicker has only a hand full of matx cases for some reason.

[frank glade]

is there a version without tempered glass? I vastly prefer mesh panels or just solid

glass only makes my shitty cable management more noticeable

[fresh fog]

I assume so. Because the case my work machine is in, is a pop air, and not a piece of tempered glass in sight :P

yeah there is

its just an option on pcpp

[frank glade]

ah nice

[fresh fog]

its a super sleek case

albeit big,

[frank glade]

I had a define nano but it was pretty outdated

[fresh fog]

but again, $300 theres plenty of room to work with an matx mobo, a shorter gpu, and less bulky cooler

[frank glade]

ah it's Pop mini Silent

[fresh fog]

but yeah pcpp's choice for matx cases is really awful, hence why i went for an atx build :P

[spice girder]

I personally like the lian li lancool 216 more, but it is 20-30 usd more.

[fresh fog]

my top favourite cases are
Fractal Pop Air
Fractal Meshify C
Lian Li lancool 216
Corsair iCUE 4000x / Corsair 4000D airflow
Fractal Design North
Corsair Obsidian 1000D

Some of them are most definitely on the pricy end, but damn do they look good

[frank glade]

I think North is the direction cases nowadays need to follow

[fresh fog]

id like 1000d a lot more if all that tempered glass didnt mean fingerprints being a hassle, and seeing dust

[median marsh]

fingerprints 😄

i wonder why they would be there in the first place

[fresh fog]

absolutely. The three fractal cases on there are my favourites. they have always made solid ones.
the wood accents in the north are so nice. im a sucker for wood accenting black steel

[fresh fog]

no reason 👀

i get my pc cases via legitimate means thank you very much

[median marsh]

https://www.bequiet.com/volumes/pim/cases/purebase/purebase500/3d/black/052.jpg

it|s also available without the glass

[frank glade]

oh yeah. remember the days when PC cases were sci-fi looking completely out of place anywhere

[fresh fog]

i like looking at tempered glass cases, i just imagine them being a pain to clean. The most i'll put up with is a side panel :P, as odd as it sounds, i do like to see my components.

also very easy to see the motherboard light if things go south

https://tenor.com/view/piracy-download-a-car-piracy-its-a-crime-download-a-handbag-download-a-computer-gif-17133478

i miss seeing them on dvd's

they seem counter intuitive though. i wonder if they made piracy more common.
"You mean if I download this house I get showcased with cool music?! Sweet!"

[frank glade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/14ku9dv/new_modcase_3d_reference_model_incoming_step/

[fresh fog]

wow that's cool

[frigid heath]

lol i actually pirated stuff cuz i hated the unskippable adds on dvds

was a big thing here ... those anti pirate add here used music from a composer that didnt get paid for it

they paid to use the tune on 1 movie but put it on every dvd

[frank glade]

What are you using? I really want to try one 😅

Oh yeah Ive been looking at Bambu, supposedly ready to print (perfectly) in 15 minutes out of the box

[opaque pond]

it does

[frank glade]

Will check

Yeah I want it to be easy and quick

[sinful thicket]

7950X + 4090 + 64GB (128GB if you want to go barebares on the other parts) + PSU that isn't dangerous + 4TB NVMe (Gen 4 or greater). The rest is up to you.

[devout pendant]

why amd?

[sinful thicket]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

[devout pendant]

Hi everyone.
I am new in this discord group and looking for a guidance.
Unreal 5.2 is crashing on my system. Here is the configuration of my PC :
Processing - Ryzen 7 Octa core 5800H
RAM - 16 GB
Graphics - 4GB nvidia RTX 3050
Windows 11

I dont know why UE 5.2 getting crashed…

It would be very helpful if you could provide me some PC configuration that can run UE 2 or upcoming versions smoothly.
Please don’t recommend very high price PC i wont be able to make it.

Thanks in advance.

[devout pendant]

I will build games

I am from India

I will make PC and mobile games

[dark quartz]

guys, rtx 3060 12gb or amd radeon rx 6700xt for rendering unreal engine footage?

[cinder delta]

-1

[dark quartz]

what

I saw many people saying that the amd gpus are really good for gaming, but in terms of studio purposes they cause many issues especially with unreal, is this real?

btw just to let you know I come from a gtx 1050ti 4gb lol

so even a 2060 super is a reaaaally massive upgrade

[mighty cosmos]

Used a 6900xt for a while with ue4/5 without issues

[dark quartz]

are the nvidia only features like dlss or ai related features important on unreal or blender?

just asking

and what about the fsr technology of amd

[mighty cosmos]

Not really, UE doesn't use or require any vendor locked tech

[dark quartz]

so in terms of quality-price the amd solution is better for my purposes or are the twos almost equal?

RX 6700xt cores: 2560
RTX 3060 cores: 3584

is this difference relevant?

I know that for parallel operations the amount of cores are important

sure

[fallen oasis]

Pro tip for marketing: be the architecture that uses more cores to make it look better.

[dark quartz]

fr

[mighty cosmos]

6700xt would be quite a bit better
It would be the one I would get between the 2

[fallen oasis]

24 is clearly better!!!

[dark quartz]

yep

oh another thing

[fallen oasis]

Aren't a lot of those 24 intel ones e-cores?

[dark quartz]

rn i have a ryzen 5 1400, would you suggest me to also upgrade my cpu?

I saw people recommending me the 5600+ ryzen series

[fallen oasis]

So it's basically teh same as 16 cores from amd then.

[dark quartz]

like the ryzen 5 5600x

is the ryzen or intel generation worth?

[mighty cosmos]

How much ram do you have?
I would recommend at least 32GB

[dark quartz]

I have 16gb... do i need to upgrade ram?

for unreal and blender obviously

[mighty cosmos]

At least 32

[dark quartz]

is the clock speed important on rams

?

okk

and is it only a budget option? or does one perform better on the other for my purposes?

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah I'm using 64GB, it's enough for my daily stuff but ended up hitting the page file for the last engine build I did so I'm gonna be upgrading to 128GB when next gen CPUs come out

How's memory stability been for you with 128?

[dark quartz]

I also have an acer motherboard lol, does this matter on the general performance of the components? I can't really tell you much from my memory of that motherboard (it is from a prebuilt)

AM4 socket for the cpu btw

[mighty cosmos]

Had any issues?
Asking because I've been hearing about instability issues with 4 ddr5 sticks

Hoping next gen improves on that a bit

[dark quartz]

right, I just want to revive my pc cause yeah gtx 1050ti 4gb and a ryzen 5 1400 render a frame of a simple blender scene with cycles renderer in like 10 minutes

bought this sh*tty prebuilt acer pc in 2018 for 1000 bucks

[mighty cosmos]

Ah, hoping next gen improves a bit on this

Well I had issues even when I switched to my current 5950x, had a crash on boot, had to lower the SOC voltage and it's been working fine with xmp enabled

On automatic it was either overvolting or undervolting the soc for a short moment, manually setting it to 0.95V fixed it for me

So yeah, moving to my current cpu wasn't without issues either, amd seems to be a lot more memory picky

Yeah

[dark quartz]

do you think there will be some good deals on pc components this prime day?

the amazon prime day

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah, I'm gonna be getting whichever next gen CPU ends up being faster

Good to know 📝

[fallen oasis]

I still don't know what a "gen's worth of 10-15%" means.

[fallen oasis]

Ah ha.

[sinful thicket]

e-cores have tons of issues. I would avoid CPUs with them entirely.

[mighty cosmos]

Windows 11 and you won't have issues

Only issues I've heard of have to do with scheduling and that's on windows 10

[rain lintel]

Hello Slackers {it is still me}! As I said in the wrong place... I'm buying an internal 2TB SSD drive {a Samsung 970 EVO Plus} which I plan to use via external case taking advantage of my Thunderbolt 3 port, unless I manage to move Windows 11 into it, and I was thinking to upgrade my RAM from 16 to 32GB {Corsair Vengeance} but here is the thing... I have the budget but I wonder... does it really make sense in order to improve my laptop performance for UE5.2!?? I mean... what do you think is more valuable and efficient in order to achieve that... the SSD drive or the 32GB RAM upgrade!?? I'm asking here because I'm an expert in that stuff. Thanks.

I really hope in some opinion and a hint...

[frank glade]

ok, name 10 issues

[rain lintel]

So my impression is right... I mean... I should focus on the RAM and save money from the SSD drive considering I already have 2 internal ones installed, and rather buy a normal HHD {I do need those 2TB!}...

It's mostly as archive for old projects and backups

UE5.2 is installed in one of the internal SSDs already

[median marsh]

depends on what kind of SSDs you already got

also, at least here, ssds got fricking cheap to the point where a 2TB Samsung Evo is at ~$100

idk if you get a hard disk much cheaper (but for archive/backup a HDD is still the better choice in terms of reliability)

[rain lintel]

the C is an NVMe of course and the D a regular Samsung EVO SSD but is only 1TB and that's why I was considering a new one.

The one I was purchasing, for 97€ with Prime current sale, is a
Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB PCIe NVMe M.2 (2280) Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (MZ-V7S2T0)

Shopping is so damn complicated... 😅

those {} are contagious, right? 😄

I've got a laptop 😏

Thanks by the way

I appreciated the helping spirit 🙏

Anyway... I guess I have to spend these 205€ and renounce to a couple of assets I've been waiting to buy from a while 😅

Thanks for the suggestions everybody.

[sinful thicket]

Things I have tested:

CSGO = Worse frame times with e cores enabled and less FPS
CS2 Beta = much worse frame times and stutter with e cores enabled and less FPS
YUZU Emulator = much worse frame times and stuttering with e cores enabled
DCS (Flight simulator) = worse frame times with e cores enabled
Star Citizen = almost unplayable with e cores enabled
Steep = worse frame times with e cores enabled

This was on Windows 11. There are probably a lot more.

@frank glade

[rain lintel]

Hi again. Last question, I promise 😅 ... I found out the DDR4-3200 should give a small but important improvement compared to DDR4-2666 and will also help me saving a couple bucks because on offer with Prime. Now... is truly worth it? Is it risky for my CPU {if they run faster I guess they heat up more, for example, right?} considering as far as I know there is no way to verify if 3200 is supported from the motherboard!??

[median marsh]

it's probably still cheap overclocked 3rd party memory...

[rain lintel]

I guess I should try 1 bank at a time to see if it gives issues.. in ay case shouldn't be too risky trying, right?

I really have no clue. Last time I upgraded the RAM on a laptop the worse that happened was that the computer didn't start at all and had to send them back.

[median marsh]

well that was probably a decade ago? guess notebooks should have similar bios methods to get it POST at least

by trying the speed specified by the DIMM first, and then clocking it down with each POST attempt

[rain lintel]

Oh well... it 's said these won't need any BIOS configuration anyway, so. It was about a decade ago as a matter of fact, by the way.

[next bone]

Hi there,

Does anyone have any experience with amd cards and unreal?

I'm an art student and building a new system, I'm between the 4070 and 4080 budget wise but it seems sensible to also explore amd as its more bang for the buck. Finding mixed opions online and usually those posts are years old

[fallen oasis]

There used to be problems. They seem pretty decent now.

[next bone]

Interesting, the amd cards seem like alot friendlier in price... the 4080 starts at 1200

[fresh fog]

AMD cards have always been the budget oriented cards fortunately. The latest lineup has some pretty cheap VRAM too, which is great for unreal. The downside of AMD cards is you miss out on technologies like nvenc, and cuda

[frigid heath]

yea, they aint really into pricewars tho

[sinful thicket]

These issues affect everyone with e-cores. You can dodge a lot of bullets by avoiding a CPU with them.

[mighty cosmos]

That's not true at all, know many people who use CPUs with ecores without any issues
The issues you mentioned sound typical if you use e-core CPU on windows 10, they only work properly on windows 11

[sinful thicket]

The issues above were all tested on Windows 11.

I have a hunch that people miss how bad they are because they test with GPU bound scenarios.

[mighty cosmos]

Any reputable sources to verify those claims?

[crude trellis]

thoughts on the AMD Ryzen 5900X? (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08164VTWH)

Current Specs -
AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
RX 6750XT
48GB 3200MHz DDR4 Ram

[crisp kernel]

If you want to dev on Unreal 5 and planning get a new card, RTX series is the only choice😛

[crude trellis]

I just bought this one, why do you think that?

[crisp kernel]

Unreal engine optimised well with Nvidia card and Lumen supports RTX better.

[crude trellis]

maybe, maybe in a bit I can upgrade, got this GPU for cheaper then basically anything RTX has, and it's better than the 3070

also has 12DDR6

[crisp kernel]

I can tell any game developer work stations are using RTX card and we are doing virtual production projects with disguise system, they also use A6000 for the rendering servers. You can tell why. It is just industry standard😛

[crisp kernel]

I used to use AMD card at home too, but finally, switched to RTX because just Epic likes RTX more

[mighty cosmos]

UE doesn't use RTX or any nvidia specific features, all is done through DXR (direct X raytracing API)
Nvidia might have better RT cores but software lumen doesn't use RT cores at all and HW lumen that uses them is barely slower on AMD

Since it still relies heavily on it's software parts

[crisp kernel]

https://community.amd.com/t5/graphics/sm6-0-broken-on-amd/td-p/559223
I'm not an AMD user, but it seems AMD still have issues with their driver for SM6.0 though...Not sure it is solved recently or not.

[crude trellis]

nah, fixed, had this issue when it was a thing

actually I need to double check im actually on SM6

[crisp kernel]

I mean, graphics card is not a cheap one, for me, I'll buy a more solid and stabled one even it is a bit more expensive😅 AMD might work as the same, but don't know if Unreal upgrads their version or something new features delivered.

[crude trellis]

in reality though I just want something to make my rider and pc overall faster. In the future I'll imagine I'll upgrade but right now I don't see it as necessary

yeah no issues in SM6

[crisp kernel]

Yeah, if you've already have a decent amd card, don't need to change right now.

[crude trellis]

great, now just the CPU question, would it probably help with speed in terms of rider? right now my CPU maxes out for a bit when opening rider and it takes a minute or 2 to actually get intellisense when launching rider from an already existing project

[crisp kernel]

What is your current cpu? Rider is somehow heavier than VS unfortunately.

[crude trellis]

^

[crisp kernel]

5600G?

[crude trellis]

yeah

[crisp kernel]

I'm using 3600X, and it doesn't feel that heavy for most of unreal projects with Rider.

[wind egret]

Doubling the cores and maxing the speed. The 5950X isn't that much more expensive though.

[crude trellis]

not really for unreal, for rider

[mighty cosmos]

5900x is a good CPU, if you can go for the 5950x tho

Also look into the 7xxx series

[crude trellis]

almost 200 dollars more expensive from what I can see

[crisp kernel]

The problem of 7XXX probably you need to change the motherboard too. I was considering about 7XXX series but feel it is really a pain to dissemble everything and assemble them again. 😅

[crude trellis]

yaeh, my motherboard supports nothing from the 7000 series lol

[mighty cosmos]

That's true, ah yeah I thought you are building a new system

[crisp kernel]

5900X is good enough if you'd like to keep your mother board.

[crisp kernel]

Are you using Rider for Unreal coding? Is the project very big?

[crude trellis]

yes,no, I want to use unreal professionally though

[crisp kernel]

If the project is not such big, it shouldn't cost such long to get intellisense working. As I said, my 3600X doesn't cost that long time.

What is your other hardware like memory and storages?

[crude trellis]

1TB NVME has unreal, rider, and project installed on it, I have 48 gigabytes of DDR4 3200MHz memory

[crisp kernel]

That sounds good enough.

[frank glade]

that is one "issue" if we're fair, and it doesn't affect me and many others, I don't even game. what about productivity? UE? rendering?

[crude trellis]

Okay so I just benchmarked it and it took 40 seconds for the GASDocumentation project to have intellisense

[crisp kernel]

Well, I don't know it will be much faster if you change your CPU though. Maybe it would shorten the time😆

[sinful thicket]

Those issues exist for everyone. I haven't tested any other applications, but in general abstractions always have "leaks" so I have a hard time recommending things like hybrid architectures. Particularly because there's no real reason to have e-cores on desktop machines.

If someone is doing an Intel build I would recommend the cheapest Sapphire Rapids SKU (so all full cores) as a start, but in the context of someone building for UE I probably wouldn't go Intel, because Epic devs use Threadripper machines. As buggy as UE is, you'll probably have a slightly better time with Ryzen or Threadripper on a dedicated UE dev machine. The 7950X beating the 13900K in Unreal Benchmarks by around 10% is somewhat proof of this.

[dark quartz]

guys, is a psu of 500W enough for a rtx 3060, 32 gb of ram and a Ryzen 5 1400 (that I will change)?

they recommend a 650W psu

but I saw many people on the internet saying that 550 is the minimum

[median marsh]

should be if it's not a cheap one and also kinda depends on your other hardware

[dark quartz]

it is one of my acer prebuilt pc and it is certified as 80 bronze

but if so i must change the mobo right?

yk I have a ryzen 5 1400 at the moment in pair with the rtx 3060, there will be bottlenecks with studio softwares?

(i will change the cpu asap)

[median marsh]

chances are good that it will run just fine

i've never seen my system draw anything close to 400W with a ryzen 5950 and a 3060

[crisp kernel]

1400 is too weak, do you think so?

And I just suggest you getting a bigger PSU it might cost you a bit more but it is a pain while you regrated the PSU is too small because you just want to add/change more parts costing higher

650w is fair enough but I'm using 800w for 3600x and 3060Ti

[fallen oasis]

You don't really need to go over 650W unless you have a latest-gen gpu or cpu.

[normal cairn]

Ship of Theseus moment

[fallen oasis]

I think there's a pretty simple answer to that, really.

[sinful thicket]

Referring to the HEDT parts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapphire_Rapids#Sapphire_Rapids-WS_(Workstation)

[dark quartz]

fr

just bought rtx 3060 12gb and a 16gb ram bank

but the cpu is bad

need to upgrade it

asap

I'm trying to relive my 2018 prebuilt

ofc

no wait

i have 16gb

and now i'll have 32

and its like the minimum for unreal

are you used to work with big unreal projects?

[tidal shuttle]

Hello,
My old graphic card is dead i want to buy a new one also i want to upgrade my power supply that is my proposal, can you check it? My goal is for gaming and unreal engine.
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2Ghz https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/F63RsY/intel-cpu-bx80646i54460
Motherboard: MSI B85-G43 ATX LGA https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/P7PzK8/msi-motherboard-b85g43
Memory: 16GB
Power Supply: EVGA 600 BR https://pcpartpicker.com/product/r2TPxr/evga-600-br-600-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-100-br-0600-k1
Graphic Card: ASRock Challenger D Radeon RX 6600 8 GB https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/D9ytt6/asrock-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-challenger-d-video-card-rx6600-cld-8g

Nope, i'm planning to buy graphic card because old one is broken and i think it would be nice to upgrade power supply too

So RAM for sure but can you suggest any CPU in max price 250 euro or is it now worth to consider buying new one with this price range?

thanks alot 🙂

[fresh fog]

^^^^

They are heavily intel biased

The dude is actually insane

heres a little excerpt from the description of the ryzen 9 7950X3D

Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD continue to develop “Advanced Marketing” relationships with select youtubers in the hope of compensating for second tier products with first tier marketing.

Despite offering better performance at lower prices, as long as Intel continues to sample and sponsor marketers that are mostly funded by AMD, they will struggle to win market share.

I wasn't joking when I said the dude's unhinged. He's been banned from every major tech community, because he just goes on insane ramblings lol

[median marsh]

do beginners really need 32GB memory on windows?

[fallen oasis]

Everyone needs 32gb of memory

per core

[vestal tundra]

They should make memory curved so it can be closer to my cpu

[fresh fog]

They should just put the dimm slots in the cpu

And they should make RAM hot swappable. If I ever get an invalid memory location error I should be able to plug in new ram to fix it

Or even just mid game, plug some more in so I can kill my enemies quicker

[vestal tundra]

cache miss "Ahh crap, I had the wrong cache in!"

[fresh fog]

To truly get that random access experience windows should also randomise all memory addresses each second

The slight downside is it breaks pointers

On the up side we have iterators 🥳

[fresh fog]

Exactly. I dont miss all my shots in csgo because I'm bad at aiming. I just keep getting cache misses :P

[vestal tundra]

2ns microstutter! Noooo!

[fresh fog]

Imagine if ram was non volatile

Just load up some chrome tabs, take your ram to a new pc and pick up where you left off :P

[vestal tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQP2IMnPw9c

[fresh fog]

Do you ever wonder if there's just some senior it guy lurking in this chat absolutely sobbing over the computer crimes being discussed

[fallen oasis]

I'd be much more impressive if he'd transferred the image from one machine to teh other.

Right there it just looks like he's loaded up an imagine that was already on the flash drive.

Or just the same imagine twice from the same source on 1 machine.

[median marsh]

actually there are 3 laptops

from the description it says that laptop 1 (left) loads the image into memory

laptop 2 then dumps the memory content on the usb stick (he boots an iso which just does that)

laptop 3 shows the image which is in the memory dump of the usb stick

[fresh fog]

Now that is impressive

So what was the aerosol for? Freeze the ram so it doesn't instantly lose charge?

[median marsh]

yea

it's also optional apparently

[fresh fog]

That's even more cool

[median marsh]

it reduces the decay

guess a good attack can even bypass the decay with an external power supply

[fresh fog]

I never knew ram could have enough residual charge to survive a transplant with mostly intact data

[median marsh]

or by just adding a capacitor at the right place, to reduce the decay (which gets charged by the victim system)

technical interesting yeah, practical there are easier ways if you have physical access to the hardware 😄

[fresh fog]

A really cool attack, but yeah, pretty useless

If you're close enough for a hardware attack, you've probably been close enough for a software attack for a while :P

[fallen oasis]

It still looks like he's loading it up just on the 1 laptop.

[median marsh]

uhm no?

the black one loads only the image into memory

the one which shows it later is a gray one

[fallen oasis]

At what point does he see the image on anything but the 1 laptop? I didn't notice it at all.

[fresh fog]

The end laptop is not the same as the first one

[median marsh]

the 1st laptop seems to only load an iso which loads the image, probably to make it easier to find it at the correct memory location for the demo

[fallen oasis]

Yes?

[median marsh]

black loads iso which dumps image at specific memory location for demo purpose

white uses black memory and dumps it to usb

gray laptop loads memory dump from usb and shows the image

[fallen oasis]

I know what is meant to be going on.

[median marsh]

how would you make the demo? 😄

sure he could scrap over 8gb of memory data and search for the image header...

but i guess its easier when the memory location is known

and not fragmented in the worst case

[fallen oasis]

What I'm saying is, at no point does the image appear on any laptop apart from the third one.

[median marsh]

yea it could be a perfect scam

😄

[fallen oasis]

The first one is just always black.

It's super lame.

[median marsh]

no

the first one says "test data placed"

i'm not saying that what we see in the video is true