hardware

[devout pendant]

for game dev stuff, is ultrawide better than 2560 x 1440 or not? I don't have any idea of adding a second monitor

[mighty cosmos]

I prefer multiple 16:9 monitors over 1 ultrawide 🤷‍♂️

[grizzled zinc]

blew US$300 on a GPU that does not even work under Linux

H8QCM-F moment

[grizzled zinc]

I am not switching to Arch

I'd go back to Windows entirely before touching Arch

I can't return this thing so I am out of 300 dollars which is not that easy to get as a college student

[north arch]

which card?

[grizzled zinc]

6700 XT

[north arch]

craigslist it? or develop your own driver?

[grizzled zinc]

going to see if anyone at college would want it

doesn't Unreal use more than 8GB of VRAM?

[wind egret]

The larger projects can but it's not strictly necessary.

[grizzled zinc]

GPUs are like internet providers (in the United States): they all suck and there's not much to do about it

[devout pendant]

I was going to buy the RTX 3060 12GB because of 12GB

But decided to buy the Ti instead because GPU power is more important than having 12GB. In addition, the Ti has more bandwidth

[wind egret]

I think with 2560x1080 a 3060 would've done well.
But maybe having 8GB instead of 12GB means you'll be pressured to learn more about UE5's scalability options and use vram-intensive techniques more wisely.

[devout pendant]

now I'm in doubt. 27'' 1920 x 1080 or 29'' 2560 x 1080 ?

[grizzled zinc]

TIL Intel Vietnam exists

[serene dome]

https://www.intel.ca/content/dam/www/central-libraries/us/en/images/fab-and-assembly-test-sites-rwd.png.rendition.intel.web.720.405.png

Think their new fabs will be in Ohio and Germany

[north arch]

they're also currently building a new fab in new mexico and I think just finished one in arizona

and ireland and malaysia

[minor veldt]

WDYM not work under Linux?

[median marsh]

he bought intel or AMD 😄

[devout pendant]

I'm really out of options. LG 26 UW is the only UW monitor at this size and this price range, under 150$.

[cinder latch]

doesn't amd have better linux compatibility?

[median marsh]

at least 2 people in #linux went back to nvidia because they had problems with AMD

well, one of them had an W6000, probably not the card that most people would buy anyways

[supple marten]

Can anyone help me get my computer windows fixed by chance?

[fallen oasis]

If you said what was actually wrong maybe

[supple marten]

Keep getting this windows/system32 bootrec fixboot access denied

I tried changing manually the user admin password to get into the computer bc I didn’t have the pin to login so I changed the somewhere in the programming now and I can’t figure out what I did and now the. computer goes into this safe mode now idk what to do

If anyone could help me out that would be pretty awesome

Like when I turn my computer on now it just looks like it’s booting up does this cycle thing and then the screen goes black and does it over and over again idk

[fallen oasis]

https://www.makeuseof.com/bootrec-fixboot-access-denied-windows/#:~:text=Run the Bootrec %2FFixboot Command Using an Installation Media,command and fix startup issues.

https://www.makeuseof.com/bootrec-fixboot-access-denied-windows/#:~:text=Fix the Bootrec Fixboot Access Denied Error on Windows

This is the bit at the bottom which has an overview of the procedure.

In fact, just start from the top.

[supple marten]

Keep getting this message as well

I’m lost I’m not a programmer lol

[north arch]

why didn't you have the pin?

sounds like misappropriated hardware

[fallen oasis]

You don't need to be a programmer to fix this.

You just need to use google or click on teh links I provided. There are step by step guides.

[grizzled zinc]

What happened with amdgpu support anyway? Works very well on my Polaris-based card (RX 580) but not on any of the new stuff.

[stone scroll]

Hi!

Is it possible to make out of 1000$ a good PC which will be at least roughly resembling the one from docs?

[lapis knot]

maybe if you're really good at origami

I'm not personally sure what compile time would take with x hardware

but you can definitely get a decent PC for that price if you shop around and buy some second hand parts

also if you put builds together there are sites that benchmark these kinds of things

[grizzled zinc]

what CPU?

[stone scroll]

i5 4460

[grizzled zinc]

interesting, if they still use the Sandy Bridge Xeons that they mentioned in another doc, should be similar afaik

unless they offload to a server with something like EPYC 7003-series chips...

[stone scroll]

maybe the 8 Gb DDR3 RAM is the root of problem

[grizzled zinc]

They used 64GB of DDR3 RDIMMs in such workstations I think

what's the memory usage during compilation?

[mighty cosmos]

On my 5950x it takes around 35-40m to build UE5 from source so 13h for an old i5 sounds about right

[grizzled zinc]

16c Zen 3, so possibly EPYC-based compile server

source: https://docs.unrealengine.com/5.0/en-US/hardware-and-software-specifications-for-unreal-engine/

by the looks of it, it may split the workload across other machines? https://www.incredibuild.com/solutions/accelerate-compilation

[stone scroll]

interesting. I will look into converting all my collegues pcs into cluster on quite🫠

[stone scroll]

happy Blue Man, I guess)

[north arch]

aim for 1.5 hour compiles so you have an excuse for a long lunch

[fallen oasis]

https://xkcd.com/303/

xkcd: Compiling

'Are you stealing those LCDs?' 'Yeah, but I'm doing it while my code compiles.'

[pearl quartz]

Looks like Intel have committed to another round of discreet GPUs

[wind egret]

Props to their commitment. Did anyone buy them?

[fallen oasis]

Discretely.

[grizzled zinc]

Nice to see that ReBAR is not a requirement to use Arc GPUs https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000092416/graphics.html

[rich lily]

looking to buy new pc, is this decent to run unreal engine 4 projects and do 3d on blender?

[fallen oasis]

At a very lower end spec, sure.

You're going to wish you'd spent more, though.

[rich lily]

I have low budget sadly 😔

dunno what to get for 500 euros max

[north arch]

expect hours to compile and a lot of missing gpu features

[fallen oasis]

Unfortunatley development isn't cheap. 😦

[rich lily]

what would you recommend me to save up for?

:D

[fallen oasis]

You want at least a 3060 with 12gb of vram, 16gb of ram is okay, but 32gb is recommended at least. At least 1tb ssd. Probably a 5700X or 5800X or similar cpu.

[grizzled zinc]

Ryzen 5 5500 is PCIe 3.0 fyi

[devout pendant]

Finding 29 ultrawide with displayport 1.4 is rocket science
damn
the only alternative is 32 QHD

[devout pendant]

screw HDR10

HDR is worthless without OLED

freesync and displayport are more important

[devout pendant]

I asked my store to return and refund the Corsair CX550 that I just received. I have three options:
MSI A650BN and save 20$ compared to what I already paid
Corsair CX650F and pay an additional 3$ compared to what I already paid
XPG Core Reactor 650W and pay an additional 25$ compared to what I already paid

[median marsh]

why refund?

and don't they have seasonic or something like that?

Most Corsair PSUs are made by Seasonic

so you just pay an extra fee for corsair

[north arch]

often the higher priced brands have higher quality standards, even if made by the same company...

[median marsh]

yea but incase of seasonic i doubt that actually

they also give warranty of 5-10 years on their PSUs, which is quite long in that market

do you know of any brand where the rebranded one is better than the original?

i'm really curious now

[north arch]

rebranding isn't quite that simple, but on strict rebranding situations, no

[pliant mirage]

Hello guys, I want to upgrade one of those: My R7 3700 & 16 GB memory or my RTX 3070 Ti. If you were in my place what's the best decision for working mainly with sequencer and heavy animations?

[median marsh]

well, watch the taskmanager and see whats bottlenecking you

[pliant mirage]

I just want to upgrade for a better one!

I wanna know which one gonna boost it more

[rugged sorrel]

He's told you how to find out 😄

[pliant mirage]

Everything then lol

[rugged sorrel]

👍

[pliant mirage]

I just want in general answer, I feel like my gpu isn't enough anymore. But, in the other side, I think upgrading my cpu and memory will help it out ...

[rugged sorrel]

Idk how you cant just figure this out yourself.
Open task manager
Switch to Performance Tab
Run your heavy duty shit
See which chart is going off the most
Upgrade this

[pliant mirage]

CPU: 100%, Ram 15.9/16, GPU: 14~15.7/16 (For shared and dedicated VRAM), then everything crash!! Sometimes I get out of video memory, that's why I'm using system pagination

it can use half of my memory to help out my gpu, in this case my VRAM is the main issue. Now, I'm confused between adding more memory so it can get more than 8 GB of shared memory or upgrading my GPU for more dedicated VRAM? But, I'm afraid that getting a new gpu like 3090 will bottleneck my existing hardware! And, I can't afford to upgrade my whole setup yet 🙂

[north arch]

gpu would be better to avoid swap times

[grizzled zinc]

Unreal eats VRAM

[pliant mirage]

Yeah, it's hardly surviving with the extra shared memory

I'm really confused, does it mean that even Rtx 3080 with 16 GB can't handle my scene that took more than 16 GB of VRAM (Combined dedicated and shared)?

I know that the native memory is faster, but talking about the capacity without adding shared memory!

[median marsh]

well, upgrading the gpu to something with more vram sounds like the way to go

this will a.) be faster and b.) leave more system memory free for other things

[devout pendant]

in my country seasonic is out of stock and corsair is cheaper

[regal iron]

For Unreal Engine 5 Development,
Which CPU should I buy? and why?
Intel i9 13gen or AMD ryzen 9 7950x

[pliant mirage]

3090 or 4070?

[grizzled zinc]

7950x

[median marsh]

i would personally go for 3090

[pliant mirage]

Alright, thanks

[serene dome]

Depending on your workflow, it largely doesn't matter which one you pick (at least in terms of performance...)

Benchmarks:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/unreal-engine-13th-gen-intel-core-vs-amd-ryzen-7000-2377/#Intel_Core_13th_Gen_vs_AMD_Ryzen_7000_for_Unreal_Engine
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/13th-Gen-Intel-Core-Processors-Content-Creation-Review-2369/#TestSetup

[devout pendant]

https://i.postimg.cc/MHRC1Qs5/IMG-20230303-155540449-HDR.jpg can I do this?

[median marsh]

why would you do this?

[fallen oasis]

Is that a 4-pin power connector with an adapter to a fan power connector? You can do it, sure, but your motherboard won't be able to read, or control, the fan's spin speed.

[sinful thicket]

OLED is bad at HDR. Go MiniLED if you care about HDR.

[devout pendant]

The triple fan doesn't have three wires

[devout pendant]

I though about returning this case but not worth the hassle. It weights 2.2 Kg whereas other cases weight 5 or even 10 Kg at the same size. I bought this one because it was a ~40$ case. Other cases were 70 ~ 80$ for this same size.

[weary glacier]

Any recommendations for large volume SSD drives? I already have 2 nVME, looking to add a bunch of extra storage space with relatively low latency

[fallen oasis]

I like my crucial drive.

I have an external samsung t7 encrypted ssd too and that's speedy as fuck

[devout pendant]

https://i.postimg.cc/jjqBMhQ3/IMG-20230304-123813686-HDR.jpg look at where the screws were hidden

I was about the buy the screws

[fallen oasis]

Lol

[frank glade]

Didn't it come with a manual?

[devout pendant]

no

[gilded quarry]

Many people here using AMD GPUs?

[mighty cosmos]

I'm using 6900xt

[gilded quarry]

Noice

6800xt here :^)

Do you have any issues with raytracing and dx12 in-editor?

Like, those two together

[mighty cosmos]

I don't, no, we are using DX12 and I played around with HW tracing and haven't had any issues
Also apparently new drivers that released recently improved RT performance by 40% on all amd gpus but I haven't tested it

[gilded quarry]

Editor in dx12 mode crashes when I try to open a context menu, and PIE crashes in Vulkan mode :^(

No problems on linux, only windows

Actually no problems on linux with RADV, amdvlk has the same PIE crash

Might need to try the updated drivers, I've been using the "PRO" one on windows

[mighty cosmos]

yeah I don't use those, I use regular ones

[sinful thicket]

You can get a 4TB SN850X for 399. There are a couple 8TB ones now, but the price ratio is a lot worse.

[fallen oasis]

Even that 4tb price ratio is awful.

[sinful thicket]

No it isn't. 1TB for 100 and 2TB for 200 are decent prices.

[fallen oasis]

Maybe we're thinking in different currencies.

In £, you can get a half decent 2TB SSD (maybe even a decent one) for about £100-120.

In fact, I see that exact model you mentioned for £140.

[sinful thicket]

No one said pound.

[fallen oasis]

^

Even if you're thinking in dollars or euros, 400 for a 4tb ssd isn't good.

[sinful thicket]

It's a great price for anything in the class of a SN850X.

[frank glade]

It's the exact price on amazon for them, I wouldn't say great

[sinful thicket]

MSRP is 699.

[grizzled zinc]

I just swapped the AMD Wraith Stealth cooler to a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO V2 with the fan replaced with an extra 0.9a 120mm server fan (MGT12012ZB-W25). The thing is much quieter and the fans barely speed up while using UE5. Before it was loud and the cooler fan went to full speed all the time.

[karmic trout]

Hi guys! I wanted to exchange my spare laptop to Macbook Air 13.3, Intel Core i7 2 core, 8GB ram, 256gb ssd. Can it run Unrel Engine 4.27 or/and enough for testing, packaging and publication for iOS on App Store?

[grizzled zinc]

which year?

[karmic trout]

2013

[grizzled zinc]

seeing that it is the 8gb/4250U version it should run

[karmic trout]

Isn't 4650U?

[grizzled zinc]

whoops, 4650U

still should run

[karmic trout]

ok, thanks.

[grizzled zinc]

not sure how the iGPU is going to handle it though

[karmic trout]

Should be pretty bad. But good enough for publication

[violet vector]

hello! looking to see where I can upgrade to run smoother below is my specs

MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI (MS-7C84)
64.0 GB
EVGA GTX 1080 FTW```

im assuming look for a 3060? or jump up to a 3080?

or dip into the AMD cards like 6800?

[devout pendant]

I bought a case which weights half the weight of Montech Air X, has the same size and came with a triple fans with molex connector. Montech Air X costs twice more, weights twice more and comes with pwm fans with rgb and controller.

I don't think it's worth the hassle to return the case and pay more just because Montech Air X is studier and has pwm fans with rgb.

[median marsh]

i think a 3060 offers kinda the same speed while having 4gb(?) more vram

not worth to upgrade for that imho

would consider getting a 3090

if you are lucky you may find a dealer which sells them off, best buy had them for $820 in their sale off... which was a steal

[violet vector]

How can I tell if it will fit in my case or mobo area?

[fallen oasis]

Get a tape measure

[wind egret]

A 3080 has 10GB to the 3060's 12GB, but the 3080 is considerably faster and more expensive
Also there might be an 8GB 3060 (and a laptop version of the same). Ew.

[fallen oasis]

Or the 12gb 3060.

[violet vector]

What about AMDs line up?

[median marsh]

i really wonder how the GPU distribution is among devs

i somehow feel that nvidia dominates that market by a huge margin, but i could be wrong

[devout pendant]

Radeon RX 6700 XT

or 6800 XT

I think that as a rule of thumb, look for the dimensions of the case and subtract 25mm

25mm from the length of it to account for fans or radiator

[karmic trout]

Seriously? Most likely Nvidia dominates it

[devout pendant]

do a pcie sound card improve performance ?

[median marsh]

no

the onboard soundcard is also connected with pci express

it's rather possible that if you put an pci express sound card in the wrong slot, that it may steal a lane from the gpu or ssd, which then leads to "worse" performance

you probably wouldn't notice anyways since it's only one lane

unless the gpu falls back to 8 lanes from 16, may be possible, too

[sinful thicket]

Most dedicated sound cards will still technically perform better. It's just negligible overall nowadays.

[median marsh]

why would they?

they may have some hardware dsp integrated which in theory put's less load on the host cpu, but after all it's questionable if such DSP is even necessary

i think their main advantage is that they have more pcb space to put good DAC components and maybe shield them from the mainboard

[frank glade]

Improve performance or provide better sound? 😅

[median marsh]

modern onboard sound cards are pretty good, there's rarely a use case for an extra card

unless you need special stuff like ASIO, but those people know what they have to look for (even some onboard cards support ASIO apparently)

[frank glade]

I greatly enjoyed my Asus Xonar Essence, after that all onboard sounded a little muddy

[sinful thicket]

A dedicated sound card will do both compared to most onboard audio solutions. Nowadays the first will be indistinguishable. The second can be distinguishable, but mostly in cases where your motherboard is mainstream or budget.

[gilded quarry]

I'd go with a good USB audio interface over a soundcard for sound quality these days

Having one is a must for game dev imo so you can hook up a mic

[median marsh]

and usb soundcards are the ones which put the most load on the host cpu...

[devout pendant]

Does a sound card offload audio from the cpu (meaning more fps) ?

[fallen oasis]

Yes.

However that only applies if there aren't enough cores to perform the regular game functions and the audio.

If you've got 8 cores, chances are it's not going to make a difference.

[frank glade]

why would you need a mic for

[gilded quarry]

Recording things ,':^) I mostly use mine for voice lines, musical instruments, random atmo sounds and my cat

[gilded quarry]

Pretty sure that's true, but PCI soundcards don't have XLR jacks (at least not directly)

Also: most load still == next to nothing

[median marsh]

yea it's not really something to be afraid of, just said it for the completion of the "performance" discussion

[gilded quarry]

Fair enough

[median marsh]

USB has the high advantage that the card is really far from the mainboard/gpu, so nothing would interference with it

the only alternative to that is an external DAC

but that's something that may matter for music producers, but not for the normal end user

[devout pendant]

I bought a WD Blue SSD Nvme 500GB. The next time I add another disk, should I get 1 TB SSD or 2 TB SATA?

[devout pendant]

lol. I bought RTX 3060 Ti without knowing that it was GDDR6, not GDDR6x. It doesn't matter though. The GDDR6X costs a lot more.

[devout pendant]

ram, ssd and cpu arrived in my country and are on the way to me. Video card for some reason has been stuck in the import duty processing for 5 days...

[urban sage]

Probably 2TB SSD
<1TB - "scam"
~1TB - good
~2TB - great

2TB - expansive
4TB - "scam"

[obtuse rapids]

Unreal still hangs a bit and I get it's going to happen while its accessing the memory controller and loading things into it - but is there a way I can tell it to take more system memory and just reserve it somehow? I've noticed improvement with 128gb but I look over at my sensorpanel and see it's taking like 21 gb where it could obviously hold more - maybe it wouldn't matter and that's not the bottle neck

[bright whale]

using an rtx3080 that i recently got but i know my old ass i7-7700k cpu from 5 years ago is bottlenecking the shit out of it-

i do a lot of 3d rendering as well as programming. any recs for a cpu? I feel like most of my recommendations are from people more on the 3d rendering side so its a bit skewed

[knotty gorge]

Is there any differences between having your boot drive as M.2 NVMe or SATA SSD?

Or are the differences negligible

[median marsh]

negligible

unless you run low on system memory and it writes it's page file on that SSD, then an M2 is faster for that scenario

[knotty gorge]

Gotcha, tyvm. I usually keep my boot drive at least 50GB free so it should be good then. I'll just opt for SATA SSD for boot and save the NVMe for other work stuf

[frank glade]

Is there such a thing as sheets of anti-dust material? So i can cut them as needed

[serene dome]

Anti-dust material? Do you mean the fine mesh or dust filters? If so, then you can find them in sheets and cut them into custom shapes/sizes. Usually advertised as DIY

https://wccftech.com/new-intel-atx-3-0-specs-reveal-redesign-of-12vhpwr-connector-to-eliminate-faulty-connections/

[frank glade]

Yeah like a fine mesh sheet

Lemme look them up

[sinful thicket]

Hm? 2TB is actually relatively cramped. 4TB is great.

[lapis knot]

i think they mean individually

not the actual relating storage space

talking about pricing

[sinful thicket]

Pricing up to 4TB is linear for the most part nowadays.

[lapis knot]

they did put a greater than

[sinful thicket]

They called it "expansive".

[median marsh]

yea for 2TB samsung the TB price is ~70€/tb while it's ~100/tb for 4TB

[sharp pumice]

I'm browsing SSD drives because I'm slowly running out of space.
I stumbled on this graph: ||https://ssd.borecraft.com/SSD_Buying_Guide.pdf|| - is it valid?
I'm looking for a high end boot drive (preferably 2T), according to the list that would be these.
I would appreciate any recommendations.

EDIT: I was considering Samsung 990 pro but I just realised there is an ongoing issue with health degradation - or is it resolved?
Now I'm leaning towards Crucial PS plus.

[hoary urchin]

31 GB/s! https://www.tomshardware.com/news/pcie4-card-21-m2-ssds-168tb-31gbps

[devout pendant]

https://i.postimg.cc/gjwZXJJY/Untitled-1.jpg

Testing the new monitor, no dead pixels so far

but the colors are off

[surreal karma]

Guys something is wrong with my pc is need help this is URGENT my main monitor screen is oversized and the second one isn't working wtf do I do

[surreal karma]

Nvm I fixed it

[devout pendant]

I'm working in UE4 with widescreen now. IT works great but at the same time there isn't enough vertical res for long menus with vertical scrolling

[devout pendant]

no... I cannot work with this monitor and the laptop. The HDMI output comes from the Intel HD. This means that I cannot use the nvidia gpu and the monitor at the same time.

[subtle plank]

@here any1 worked with teslasuit?

are the battery included with the suit

[devout pendant]

https://i.postimg.cc/QxtZMQn3/IMG-20230315-151308818.jpg arrived today

[sinful thicket]

That isn't expensive. Also Samsung drives are unreliable.

SN850X is better and the 4TB one is only 370 dollars right now.

[median marsh]

bullshit

on >100k samsungs sold they have a return quote of ~0.2% which is the same or better than any other company

and those 0.2% doesn't even tell if they are defect or returned for another reason

[sinful thicket]

970, 980, and 990 all had major reliability issues. Just because you bought one doesn't mean it isn't true.

[median marsh]

actually i have 3

and i have the return quote

you can check www.mindfactory.de which shows the return quote of their products...

now proof your claim that they have issues (except for the 980pro/990pro firmware bug)

and the SN850X 4TB is 105€/TB while the 2TB is 90€/TB

so getting 2x 2TB is still cheaper if you got enough free pci express lanes...

[frank glade]

https://www.techspot.com/news/92976-puget-reliability-report-shows-samsung-ssds-fail-least.html

looks like the only big issues were with the 990 line

[median marsh]

surprise the company with the largest marketshare on flash chips is knowing what they are doing...

[karmic trout]

Hi guys
What's better option
NEW Mac mini 2018 (Intel Core i3, UHD Graphics 630, 8GB, 256GB)
OR
Second hand (used) Mac mini 2018 (Intel Core i5, UHD Graphics 630, 16GB, 256GB)

[fallen oasis]

Why would the new mac mini ever be an option if those are your options?

[north arch]

newer gen processor?

[fallen oasis]

Is it, though?

One seems to be a core i3 and the other a core i5. You didn't specify any more information.

[north arch]

yeah, not really much info to go off of

I'd say neither because mac

[lone raft]

Please searching for a hardware support. I just have got a nice offer for PC Workstation and having a question if is it a "good enough configuration" for UE5? Especially not sure about the graphic card. Is it going to work ? :))

HP Z8 G4 - 256 GB, Intel Xeon Gold 6134 3.20 GHz + Intel Xeon Gold 6134 3.20 GHz, 256 GB SSD + 4 000 GB HDD + 4 000 GB HDD, Windows 11 Pro, nVIDIA Quadro P5000 16GB

[vagrant anvil]

it will work, just dont try anything too detailed. the P5000 is roughly equivalent to a GTX 1080/1070, so several generations old and predates any dedicated Ray Tracing hardware acceleration.

those dual Xeon's would probably be outperformed by a single Ryzen 5950, but the 256GB of RAM is nice

[odd zodiac]

Ok, I´m starting to get a little desparate here and I guess this is as good a place as anywhere to post this question:
Ever since upgrading my graphics driver and upgrading to Unreal 5.1, I get constant GPU crashes.
I´ve reinstalled the geforce driver multiple times, I didn´t install geforce experience, as suggested, I tried the registry hack and used DDU for a clean driver install.
The only thing that helped, was limiting the FPS to 30fps.
But now the performance tanks every time I open any windows in the editor, to about 10-15fps.
I´ve managed to go up to 50fps and the crashes are still gone, the editor still drops to about half the framerate (20-25fps).
Anyone experience something similar?
RTX 3090, but also happened on my rtx 2080 on the same workstation...

Please ping when replying!

[lone raft]

Thank you Kelly! Seems that I will look for some other PC, than this one. :))

[sinful thicket]

The 970 also had a reliability issue. They should all be avoided.

They got dropped for good reason.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/blog/2023/02/02/update-on-samsung-ssd-reliability/

[sinful thicket]

The price difference is minimal at this point and not worth the wasting additional PCIe lanes to double two smaller drives.

[sinful thicket]

They're garbage.

[median marsh]

this was a month ago , when no firmware fix was available

pudget was kinda forced to pick something else at this point

[vagrant anvil]

we wouldn't define them as garbage. still offer Samsung drives, just not the 990 for the time being. so far, the updated firmware seems to have fixed the issue

[sinful thicket]

I would. The firmware doesn't fix any of the passive drive destruction that happened to so many people, it just stops further destruction. And even then it's ambiguous as to how well it works with other people seeing weird speed issues post-update.

[stone olive]

I plan to buy a 4080 laptop and use it for a long time. I plan to buy a 3-4 year warranty plan. Lenovo legion and alienware have on site service. The price of the laptop is close, but the price of the warranty service is much different. I would like to ask, has anyone used Legion's on site service? Is their after-sales really as reliable as Alienware?

[north arch]

I'd wager they subcontract service to the same techs

[grizzled zinc]

I wonder what PSU I would need for this

[median marsh]

put it all in pcpartpicker

it shows you the power draw

[grizzled zinc]

Maybe, iirc PCPP does not list 12-year-old server hardware

Might have to calculate it by hand unless the Outervision calculator is accurate enough

[median marsh]

my guess is ~600-700W should be totally fine for that

not sure about the xeon tho

[grizzled zinc]

nice

[median marsh]

yea seems to be fine

you can get more if you want to upgrade the gpu later, it only draws the power that it needs

just dont buy any cheap noname PSU

[grizzled zinc]

PSU is the most important for reliability imo

I have been using the PSU tier list

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[devout pendant]

I upgraded my HDD to SSD and the project load debug symbols and build 10x faster lol

SSD > RAM

Still using 16GB RAM but it's 10x faster i'm so happy

[spark vortex]

ye those new nvme ssds are wicked fast

[grizzled zinc]

I use a PM9A1 I got for around US$50. Very fast SSD.

Server hardware is fun to work with, can have 128GB of ECC RAM for around US$80. With DDR3 at least, unbuffered ECC DDR4 (for Ryzen) is a bit hard to find.

[zinc ingot]

Hello! Anyone can tell me if this PC is enough (or good) to play games in 1080p? And without RT or this can use RT technology too in some games? Thx!

https://www.alza.sk/EN/alza-gamebox-i5-rtx3060ti-d7665824.htm

[grizzled zinc]

Plenty for 1080p

Should do RT just fine

[zinc ingot]

Thx, and I want to link also 2 monitors, can you tell me please which monitor should I choose to this setup above:

https://www.alza.sk/EN/27-philips-27m1n32000za-gaming-d6980502.htm

or

https://www.alza.sk/EN/27-asus-tuf-vg279qr-d6298504.htm

Or anyone else can help too to choose from these 2 monitors. Thx!

[grizzled zinc]

First one

[modest coral]

did you guys plug the 16pin power cable from 4090 box or psu box?

[agile lodge]

if have atx 3.0 then that gen5 cable

[rare mulch]

Pny 4090 or asus 4090 does the brand matter? They basically all the same except price?

[devout pendant]

https://i.postimg.cc/XYgqtg5M/IMG-20230322-212034653-HDR.jpg now I can upgrade my project to UE5

[fallen oasis]

So much rgb.

[devout pendant]

the RGB Leds are inside the fans, it's impossible to turn them off

[pseudo bridge]

Folks what's your processor? I use a Intel i7-7700, is it a good CPU for Unreal?

[devout pendant]

no idea

quad core should be the bottom line

[sinful thicket]

Threadripper 5995WX

[fallen oasis]

I'd love to upgrade my 3975WX to that!

[devout pendant]

I overshot my budget. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834237312254214166/1088673841573793822/Control_DX12_2023_03_24_00_57_16_748.jpg

The performance is way above what I really needed 😄

[devout pendant]

Is 64GB of ram any better than 32GB

i am doing some massive proc gen tho

[north arch]

yes

[devout pendant]

i mean what is ram even using for in unreal engine?

[median marsh]

depends on what you do

"proc gen" can be a few kilobytes to multiple gigabytes depending on what and how you generate, so that's not helping much

[cunning nacelle]

any point buying a rtx 4090 if im still on a ryzen 9 3900x cpu?

currently have a gtx 1650 gpu as a placeholder

[devout pendant]

i am doing minecraft stuff

idk how to describe it, but for the most part it is the same with minecraft

[north arch]

so voxel generation?

[devout pendant]

yep voxel generation

[agile lodge]

https://wccftech.com/intel-super-massive-lga-7529-socket-pictured-ready-for-next-gen-xeon-cpus-with-up-to-132-core-p-cores-512-e-cores/

[north arch]

twitch

[wind egret]

put your finger on it

[pallid hedge]

is 4090 better then RTX Titan ?

i saw the upcoming RTX Titan Ada

it has 48 VRAM !!!!!

[fallen oasis]

The titan is an upgraded 4090 isn't it?

[north arch]

48 bits of VRAM isn't much

[vagrant anvil]

thats IF the RTX Titan Ada is even a real thing. thats a pretty big IF

until then, the only real RTX Titan is two generations old now

[sinful thicket]

You can fit a whopping 1 pixel in that.

[north arch]

true, but given the lack of units I had to assume base numbers

[hoary lintel]

anybody got a tip for good deals on 32 or 64 gb ram for a ryzen 7 5800x?

no rgb or any other unnecessary BS needed

[devout pendant]

https://i.postimg.cc/TY7CxgMS/IMG-20230328-225014279-HDR.jpg block the dust

[fallen oasis]

That is a terrible idea for a pc case.

[unkempt pelican]

You're also blocking the airflow

[frank glade]

I mean some cases have removable panels so you can have the airflow or the silence

That's just too diy though

[fallen oasis]

They don't block the airflow, though. They just restrict it.

I guess in some cases there isn't much difference.

[frank glade]

The ones on mine certainly do (define nano s) and have soundproofing on them

[pastel plover]

I've seen it where there's vents on the side.

[devout pendant]

https://i.postimg.cc/y8M6N7JH/IMG-20230329-195423085-HDR.jpg this with case open didn't lower the temperature by more than 3 C

[fast locust]

quality is a big issue. Some cards happen to have issues sometimes.. make sure you check reviews

[median marsh]

it's not an good idea either

ideally you have an airflow over most components with the closed case

[north arch]

Opening the case screws up the airflow. Might get more over the sensors, but not necessarily over everything that matters.

[devout pendant]

what is happening? After I bought a Displayport 1.4 cable and turned HDR on. Everytime I log in windows the screen goes washed, with excessive brightness or gamma.

[pale dove]

Hello Guys, I am looking for a 15 inch laptop(UE 5 Dev) for travelling. Do you suggest Dell G15(Intel Core i9-12900H (5.0 GHz),8 GB GeForce RTX 3070 Ti ), rog-strix-g15-2022 Or MSI Katana GF66 ?

[hollow latch]

Opinions before I buy for game deving, 3d modelling and gaming please

[fallen oasis]

You've managed to spend £3k on a computer and it isn't a threadripper?!

I'm not sure how you've managed it.

Use http://uk.pcpartpicker.com and price the same thing and see what their surcharge is.

[spice girder]

If you want 64GB of 6000MHZ Ram go with 2 sticks, 4 Ram stick a unlikely to go to 6000MHZ with amd expo on and 2 Ram Sticks. And Take a look for benchmarks if the AMD Ryzen 7900x3D is really worth it to you (I Only saw 7950x3d vs 7950x and it doesn't seem worth the extra cost to me).

[frank glade]

Get the 96gb corsair ddr5 kit 🤑

[devout pendant]

is freesync inside game settings or outside?

[fallen oasis]

Freesync is a driver thing, isn't it?

Also get a gsync monitor if you can.

freesync is bottom tier tech

Well, bottom is no sync at all, but you get the idea.

[devout pendant]

activated g sync in nvidia control panel, freesync in monitor and disabled vsync in Control. Still a lot of tearing in game

[fallen oasis]

Frresync is not gsync. It's a worse version of gsync. If your monitor isn't gsync compatible or fully gsync, it won't work.

[devout pendant]

then where is freesync on nvidia control panel?

[fallen oasis]

It isn't.

Frresync is the generic thing supported by amd. Gsync is the higher spec nvidia thing.

If you have an nvidia card and you bought a frresync monitor, you did it wrong.

[fallen oasis]

Some frresync monitors are supported by gsync. Some.

Not all. And it's just controlled by the gsync options.

[devout pendant]

I think I've found the cause for white tint screen. Monitor supports DP 1.2 and I was enabling both HDR and FreeSync at the same time

[mighty cosmos]

Both Gsync and freesync introduce additional latency so I prefer playing without it

If you can achieve high enough framerate it's pointless and actually a worse experience to play with it on

Even if it's advertised as reduced input latency, in reality it's the opposite

It's only true at lower framerates

[devout pendant]

running pendulum g sync demo. With v sync off and no freesync I don't see tearing

[devout pendant]

when I turn around fast in Control I can notice some artifacts on edges. Is that DSSL?

[unkempt pelican]

Only if you have it enabled

I’m assuming you mean DLSS

That needs to be enabled in game settings

[fallen oasis]

Damn. My faithful logitech K120 keyboard has died. Ordered some more.

[devout pendant]

should I update the gpu bios?
just becase of rebar

[unkempt pelican]

Resizable bar?

Do you have an amd gpu?

[devout pendant]

RTX 3060 Ti

[unkempt pelican]

You can turn it on but I don't think has much effect on nvidia gpus

Its mostly an amd thing

[devout pendant]

tried to flash the bios

didn't flash. Error, missmatch ID

[mint marsh]

Hello guys, i just started to learn UE5 and even with the starter template i got my viewport laggy (because of my VRAM) and dont have the same beautiful lighting as in the tutorial i follow (raytracing ?). i have a gtx 1060 3gb and a i7-7700 3.60ghz. Is it enough to run UE5 with a decent framerate if i make some settings changes or should i really buy new hardware ?

[median marsh]

3GB vram is really a bad start imho

a 3060 with 12GB would be a huge improvement (or 3090/4090 if you can afford those...)

[frank glade]

No my 1060 6gb was also pretty laggy

[rapid tusk]

I've been thinking of upgrading my 1660 super to a 6700 xt but after some research I have noticed that AMD gpu's are generally worse for productivity and creative/art related tasks.
How much worse are they really when it comes to Blender and UE5?

I'm sure it'll be better compared to the 1660 super but what about a 3070?

[unkempt pelican]

If you want to do rendering in blender, amd gpus are basically not worth it. If you’re only using it to model, it might be fine.

[rapid tusk]

Won't be doing any rendering. What makes AMD gpu's less capable for these tasks?

And will the modelling and shading experience be worse than with a 1660 super?

[mint marsh]

Should i change my cpu and motherboard also ?

I think i’m gonna go with a 3060 12gb, but can i just buy it and put it in my pc ? Do i have to check compatibility with other components ?

[median marsh]

the cpu is kinda okay imho, and the card should work without any problems in your current system

[unkempt pelican]

It’s not that amd is bad. But there is the cuda and optix (rtx only) rendering profiles for Nvidia cards that are way better

[mint marsh]

Okay, thanks !

[sinful thicket]

CPU is ancient. Upgrade it.

[rapid tusk]

So it has more to do with the rendering software than gpu hardware?

[unkempt pelican]

More or less

[mint marsh]

An i5 11600k should do it ?

[sinful thicket]

Get a 7950X or 7900X. If you already have DDR4 modules you want to re-use then a 5950X.

[frank glade]

I upgraded to a 13600k and it's butter smooth, albeit I don't compile or render with it. you can also get a ddr4 board (last gen) for cheap

[mint marsh]

It’s getting expensive hahah, okay i will watch for a rtx 3060 12 gb, an i5 13600k and a ddr4 motherboard. With my 550w alim and 16gb ddr4 ram, i should be good

[median marsh]

i would first upgrade the gpu only, and then wait till you really hit a wall with your current CPU

i worked at least 1 - 1.5 years with an 3rd gen i7

[mint marsh]

If i can avoid buying a cpu and motherboard for the moment without losing too much performances, i don't say no

[median marsh]

at some point you probably have to, but if you just started with unreal and you're still in the learning phase there's some time left imho

and while that hardware prices will most likely go down

your next roadblock will probably be the 16GB memory, then you can consider to upgrade the whole mainboard/cpu/memory stuff

[mint marsh]

i think i will directly upgrade cpu, gpu, motherboard, and buy 16 more gb ram later

[sinful thicket]

CPU is very important for game dev.

[mint marsh]

i'm in the learning phase on UE but i think i need more power for other softwares i use

[median marsh]

your current memory is probably slow af

even if it's ddr4

[mint marsh]

(idk if that helps ^^)

[median marsh]

so 2133MHz

modern amd runs at 3200/3600MHz, not sure about intel

so you waste ~33% of memory bandwidth when using those old modules

[mint marsh]

and its due to he ram or the mottherboard ? bc i bought the ram recently

[median marsh]

could also be the mainboard/cpu

if you bought the memory recently it might not be as bad as it shows there

[mint marsh]

okok, yeah the cpu/mottherboard/gpu are the last components that stays from the prebuildt pc i bought in 2017 -18

[median marsh]

i would rather consider getting an ddr5 system then

[mint marsh]

its no good for the ram if i upgrade just the motherboard in ddr4 ?

[median marsh]

not for 16GB which may be slow (my opinion)

[mint marsh]

okay

[median marsh]

that's like buying a sportscar and putting it on 20 years old tires, which have an speedlimit on top

[mint marsh]

yeah i see, i thought thjat ddr4 was rather recent and okay for this

because i's getting expensive, if i have to upgrade everything hahah

[unkempt pelican]

Do you have memory overclock enabled? Your ram might be faster than what it says there

Or did you buy 2133MHz ram?

[mint marsh]

Idk, how could i see that ?

The reference of my ram is : Corsair vengeance LPX, they apparently are at 3000

[unkempt pelican]

You need to go into bios and enable either XMP or DOCP

Google your motherboard and XMP and it should tell you how to do it

[mint marsh]

okay thanks

because the motherboard should not limit the ram, right?

[unkempt pelican]

The bios key depends on the motherboard you have

3000MHz is above the standard rate for DDR4 that's why you need to enable overclock to hit it

[mint marsh]

Sad

[unkempt pelican]

Damn. Then yeah, you'll need a new motherboard to get faster ram

[mint marsh]

yes ^^

[devout pendant]

I'm trying to update the RTX 3060 Ti bios but I can't find a nvflash that works

missmatch error or it can't detect the nvidia adapter

[frank glade]

But why?

[devout pendant]

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5165/~/nvidia-resizable-bar-firmware-update-tool

[devout pendant]

I'm thinking on buying the cheapest ryzen with integrated gpu to serve as a backup

[sturdy dew]

Would I be able to use Unreal Engine 5 on this specs:

AMD R9 280 3gb (Equivalent to GTX 1050TI)
Core I5 4570
8gb DDR3
HDD

Can I utilize Lumen and Nanite?
What problems might I face?

[sturdy dew]

@sinful thicket

A mainstream processor is still fine of course but it needs to be more modern than a i5 4570 for a decent experience. Your RAM is also much too low.

How would that compare to Unreal Engine 4 ?

[spice shore]

What would you recommend for a render rig for Unreal? What components would be most beneficial? I’m assuming the most valuable would be a GPU with a lot of VRAM. We would use this rig exclusively for rendering. I’m assuming we could use multiple computers to split the load, but would it be better to do one just with higher specs?

For each frame of our animation we are at about 20-30 seconds per frame with 32 temporal samples with a 3090 TI and hardware ray tracing via lumen being forced. Our main issue currently is if the VRAM ever fills up, then it slows down horribly.

[vagrant anvil]

According to the docs, Lumen needs 1070 or higher https://docs.unrealengine.com/5.1/en-US/lumen-technical-details-in-unreal-engine/#lumenplatformsupport
as for the rest, you are going to have a very tough time. just opening a blank 5.2 project my system is sitting at 5.2 GB VRAM and you only have 3, the 8GB of system ram will quickly be exhausted too. Technically the CPU will work, it will just take forever to compile shaders

[vagrant anvil]

if you are running out of VRAM with 3090 Ti, there isn't much you can do without going to a professional card.

are you using path tracer?

[spice shore]

No we aren’t. I really need to figure out where all of it is going to, but I think maybe over the course of rendering a handful of sequences, it starts to bog down the GPU.

We aren’t using the path tracer. We are rendering in 4K through movie render queue, we have quite a few Skeletal meshes around with animations, Lumen with Hardware Ray Tracing and no screen traces, and 32 temporal samples. Then a few of the settings with motion blur and whatnot boosted. Then almost every mesh Nanite, and only a handful of shadow casting lights, maybe 3 or 4? But each of those is using ray traced shadows.

[vagrant anvil]

yeah, I'd suggest looking into scene optimization. A 4k render should be able to fit in the 24GB buffer that you have on the 3090 Ti. you could look at a 4090, but thats the same VRAM. the only way to get more VRAM is a card that costs like $5000-6000.

[spice shore]

Oh actually, I think our 3090 performs fairly well with 24GB and doesn’t run out. But our 4070 ti’s run out with 12. I definitely will be continuing to look into scene optimization (I think it’s coming from Lumen settings I boosted recently)

If we were to get just a render rig, would you say just one would be sufficient instead of a farm? And what components are most beneficial? And if we aren’t filling 24GB of vram, is it worth it to get any of the professional cards?

[vagrant anvil]

Oh good. yeah as long as you can fit within 24GB, there is a newer generation of cards, the 4090, that is considerably faster. I dont believe unreal has a built in render farm functions, but I haven't looked into that in 5.X

there are some things you can do with coding in Python, or maybe 3d party plugins

[wanton hollow]

I think you cannot run the unreal engine 5

core i5 9400 is recommended

also rx 580 8G

16G Ram DDR4

i think you need to have these

[median marsh]

yea 8GB memory sounds like you'll have a hard time using it

[fallen oasis]

He asked about getting 45 fps. I said he'd be lucky to get 5.

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drLZxyv79Oo

[sturdy dew]

As far as I'm aware, processor does not play a big role and i5 4570 is bare enough.
The only problem is the GPU, or maybe RAM too. I'll upgrade RAM anyway.

GPU is the real question

[sturdy dew]

5 fps on 1050 ti card !?
My friend has a laptop with integrated Intel UHD 520 graphics, 8gb ram and he runs UE5 with 25 fps

[unkempt pelican]

You’ll need a decent CPU for all the compilation you’ll be doing

[sturdy dew]

Code compilation?

[unkempt pelican]

Yeah in Unreal

Game code and shaders

[sturdy dew]

Game Code requires minimal computation to compile, atleast the time it takes, I don't mind waiting.
I'm coming from Unity on same hardware, and it takes just a couple of seconds 2-3 seconds to compile entire code.
And since shader compilations are first time only, I wouldn't mind waiting

[unkempt pelican]

Unreal isn’t unity and it will definitely take more time than that

Also you have to compile shaders every time you change them

[sturdy dew]

Like when would the shaders be 'changed' ?

[mighty cosmos]

If you plan on doing C++ it's gonna be a LOT longer than a couple of seconds if you don't have a good enough CPU

[sturdy dew]

I do actually plan on using C++ and I have i5 4570

[mighty cosmos]

It's gonna be a bit a painful on that CPU
Certainly doable tho especially if you are just starting out

[unkempt pelican]

Every time you open a new level for a start

[mighty cosmos]

When you change materials it recompiles shaders

[unkempt pelican]

And when you compile new materials

[sturdy dew]

That includes opening Unreal every time?

[mighty cosmos]

If the shaders have already been built once for what you are opening and haven't changed then no

It won't recompile every time you open a level

[sinful thicket]

If you're making a game in practice they'll be compiling very frequently

[long night]

I3 10th gen
1030 ti 4gb gpu
16gb ddr4 ram.
512 gb ssd

Is it ok for learn unreal for some smaller projects

[fallen oasis]

Probably

[median marsh]

the 1030 ti isn't a killer, but to learn the basics it should be enough

[devout pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isn4eLTi8lQ&t=2s Does this mean that all cards with 8GB are obsolete now?

[fallen oasis]

Pretty much.

[devout pendant]

what?

then the RTX 3060 12GB is going to last more than the Ti 8GB?

[wind egret]

and the ever-popular 3070

[cosmic root]

Which would you choose for game dev? 4080 16gb or 3090ti 24gb liquid cooled

[median marsh]

3090

[torn hound]

I don't know what is going on with Fractal Design's supply chain but I wish they would fix it
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/60416/fractal-design-north-charcoal-black

The North and Torrents have been out of stock for months it feels like

[fallen oasis]

Why spend so much on a box?

😦

[devout pendant]

I decided to buy RTX 3060 Ti 8GB from China over RTX 3060 12GB in a local store because I paid less for the chinese card

[fallen oasis]

You did get 4gb less vram too!

[median marsh]

and you can't upgrade the firmware

so it's to be determined if it's a real rtx3060 ti

[fallen oasis]

Just don't buy tech from China.

[median marsh]

there are good companies in china tho

[fallen oasis]

There's also a billion+ people. Finding the right company is gonna be hard.

[torn hound]

Cause it's pretty 😂

Jokes aside, my current rig is almost 9 years old so I'm happy to splurge a little

[timber cobalt]

I agree, it is a pretty one

[shy gorge]

Hello, I'm considering on buying a very powerful PC for UE5, I am thinking on an RTX 4090, and an i9, 64 gigs RAM

What do you guys recommend me for other components having that GPU and CPu in mind

also, I am wondering which CPU will be more powerful?

[dense blade]

Hey everyone! I am looking to buy a new laptop since my old one cannot support UE5 anymore. Does anyone have any recommendations? I'm looking for a laptop that can support up to 2k rendering and complex environments. Thanks!

[fallen oasis]

Don't buy alienware.

[shy gorge]

haha I hear that a lot. But like why everyone hates it so much? is it because of the price?

[fallen oasis]

Yes.

You pay for the brand.

I will admit, they have good laptops, but, like macs, you are just paying for a label.

[shy gorge]

yeahh

[fallen oasis]

Macs have some good hardware too. They have fantastic screens.

But they'll cost you.

[shy gorge]

they add up like 1K to the price

[timber cobalt]

Also the battery life

[fallen oasis]

That too indeed!

[spice girder]

I would opt for the AMD Ryzen 9 7950x instead of an i9. It is faster in multithreading and consumes less power.

[shy gorge]

yeah I have heard a lot of good things about it

but intel is compatible with more things right?

I mean whatever works with UE5 is great for me

[fresh fog]

It's a CPU. Either is compatible with anything. It's just intel can do better in some cases.

[spice girder]

Intel is better for single Core use cases and AMD for Multithreading, but not by a huge amount.

[shy gorge]

@spice girder @fresh fog thanks for the help guys. So what would you recommnend

[mighty cosmos]

amd imo

[fresh fog]

same here. less power for me is a winner

more than happy to sacrifice the very small single threaded bonus

[sinful thicket]

Avoid Intel.

[mental timber]

Can you Give any specifics why?

[sinful thicket]

Not competitive in the high end (HEDT) space, and in the mainstream space you get e-cores.

[little moon]

(Continuation of what I was gonna say in general)
I have a MSI MPG B550 Gaming Plus Gaming Motherboard and a Sapphire 11306-02-20G Pulse AMD Radeon Graphics card. Anything else that uses most of the power? Cpu is AMD Ryzen™ 5 5600 6-Core, 12-Thread

[fallen oasis]

Pretty much what uses power is motherboard, cpu and graphics cards. Not in that order.

[little moon]

i cant figure out how much power they need though

[fallen oasis]

Motherboard isn't that much, compared to cpu and gfx card.

I think pcpartpicker has the required wattages for things.

[little moon]

i think the gpu is 230W

[fallen oasis]

That will be in the gpu spec.

Just look at the manufacturer's website. Same goes for the CPU.

[little moon]

I dis

did

it wasnt there

actuallt for the cpu it is though

65W

so I def have emough

wth then

unless its possible to have too much power, I dont know whats wrong

[fallen oasis]

gfx card is 230W.

You are correct.

It's not possible to have "too much" power. You'll just be wasting money.

I wouldn't recommend anything over 600W for that system tbh. They are power efficient up to about 90%, so you want 10-15% over your max power to get best efficiency for your money.

[little moon]

well then idk whats wrong with it

Im not making any money and dont need my pc too much right now so im not gonna buy new parts until I find a job

[fallen oasis]

What's wrong with what?

Is it not booting or something?

[devout pendant]

so somebody in a forum bought the same RTX 3060 Ti as me and they successfully updated the firmware.

they used firmware from PNY, which changed GPU-z info from Lenovo OEM to PNY.

[fallen oasis]

How to void your warranty in 1 easy step.

[vagrant anvil]

if you bought a Lenovo OEM gpu from a third party seller in China, you probably dont have an warranty anyway

[fresh fog]

who needs a warranty when your card could just not die 🤯

[median marsh]

that didn't look like a lenovo card tho

[pallid hedge]

is RTX Titan better then 4090 ? i had no idea about that titan before someone just told me about and after checking dam that thing is no where to be found i have to order it but is it the best GPU i can get for Dev big game ?

if not then which GPU is the best that AAA studios have

or on the market

[pallid hedge]

already have that and its not enough i think you would have to go with rtx titan ada or 6000 ada

and i mean not enough if your making big game with high res

currently thinking about upgrading my card to better one for Dev only not gaming

[fallen oasis]

You really don't need a 4090 to make a game. Unless it's really badly optimised.

[devout pendant]

I think having more vram is more important than more gpu flops

[fallen oasis]

Indeed.

[devout pendant]

can a bricked gpu be reflashed?

[median marsh]

probably depends on how bricked it is

[fallen oasis]

And whether you can boot up to actually flash it with a different/onboard graphics output.

[vagrant anvil]

The RTX Titan Ada is still a rumor at this point. and there are rumor that its been canceled, so kinda hard to recommend a product that doesn't exist.

[pallid hedge]

then which Gcard is the best on the market build like a truck

with more vram

48

till now i only saw the titan ada which still not on market

[vagrant anvil]

the overwhelming majority of studios we build systems for go with the 3080 or 4080 cards

there is only one GPU on the market that has 48GB of VRAM, the 6000 Ada

[pallid hedge]

thanks

[vagrant anvil]

I wouldn't recommend dropping $7000 just for a GPU for game dev, but thats on you

[frank glade]

are there new firepros coming anytime soon?

32gb of vram looks appealing

[mighty cosmos]

Not to mention these super high end GPUs are often not even optimized for gaming or game dev and often perform worse than a 4090

That's not their intended purpose
If you are buying it for game dev you are spending money on a worse product for that

Damn you autocorrect

[fresh fog]

The super high end ones are more for render farms if I'm not mistaken?

[devout pendant]

I think dragon center is wrong. It displays 4000 rpm for the CPU's cooler.

[astral shell]

https://www.newegg.com/velztorm-partix/p/3D5-000W-0B2K8?Item=9SIA7ABGPX2926

thats a steal! not going to lie.

[sinful thicket]

It's not at all really.

[astral shell]

show me where you can find a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 and a Ryzen 9 5900X under 1700. This is a full build. the memory is about 200, the 1 tb drive about 150 depending on what it is. the case, 120.. the wifi motherboard??? around 300. Yeah not worth it. lmfao what ever you say. Learn your tech before you speak.

[fallen oasis]

In the UK, that's $40 over the price of the parts.

[astral shell]

USA we over pay for everything 🙂

[fallen oasis]

Actually Id idn't see the wifi part. It's about the same.

[astral shell]

thats a massive deal for a USA person tho.

like i said tho depending on what the brand of the memory, HD, and motherboard actually are.

[fallen oasis]

Considering that it comes pre-built, it is, indeed, very good.

[astral shell]

DDR4 is a thing of the past now tho 😦 one thing i hate about these prebuilds.

[fallen oasis]

That's a limitation of the motherboards that support that cpu, though.

None of them support ddr5.

Maybe it's a limitation of the cpu as well.

[astral shell]

you are right as well on that 5950X is the DDR5 upgrade

[sinful thicket]

3080 is worth 600-700 (700 is probably extremely generous). 5900X is worth 400. The rest of the parts (which is where prebuilt builds cheap out on) won't be anywhere near the remaining 600-700 of the list price.

[fallen oasis]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/kMjL8r These are obviously UK prices, but it works out to be about $1700 if you convert the currency. You can do it in dollars/american market if you like on teh same site (just take off the uk.)

[north arch]

link to source you can buy, in stock, at those prices?

[fallen oasis]

In fact, I just clicked that exact build over to US prices and it's closer to $1800.

Down to ~1600 because the gfx card was super overpriced.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p4rWgb

And now the memory disappeared. 😦

Seems degrees isn't the only thing Mercurius is wrong about.

[sinful thicket]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/93hBXy

Here's a build with twice the RAM and faster GPU (4070Ti = 3090) for cheaper.

[sinful thicket]

Stop projecting. It's embarrassing.

[sinful thicket]

If you bought it you wasted your money, sorry.

[fallen oasis]

Mine was $40 cheaper than yours. 😦

And without serious bios issues.

[sinful thicket]

And half the RAM, a slower older graphics card, and a worse SSD. Plenty of boards you can swap for.

You should probably learn currencies before trying to put together builds.

Not your forte.

[fallen oasis]

I mean, I was putting together the thing listed on that site, not a different build.

So yours isn't even relevant, tbh.

[sinful thicket]

Copying a bad build doesn't make it not a bad build.

[fallen oasis]

This whole argument wasn't even abotu whether it was a good build, simply about the price of those parts, which you claimed would be much less.

It wasn't.

[sinful thicket]

It is.

[fallen oasis]

Price up the parts in that build at less than ~$1600 then.

On whatever website/price source you like.

I just happened to use the one that scanned the prices daily for lots of major retailers.

[astral shell]

You just cant lol. Mans on facebook marketplace looking for a mining GPU and a broken pinned cpu

[fresh fog]

the cpu pins just make it run slower anyway

[sinful thicket]

?

I already posted a 5900X 64gb 4070Ti build for less.

[fresh fog]

but yeah, not a bad find at all, as someone who dislikes most prebuilts because of the upcharge.
not a bad deal for that partlist

[fresh fog]

thats cool. We aren't talking about better value newer parts.

we are talking about the price for those parts

[sinful thicket]

It's not the worst, but it's not anywhere what would be called a good deal. You can get a better machine for less money.

[fresh fog]

im still miffed that amd decided to do away with the stock coolers

[astral shell]

pc part builder is wrong...

[fresh fog]

they weren't half bad coolers

[fresh fog]

the first part i clicked on (the 3080) for daekesh was actually cheaper on the website. unless its magically including postage.

but its also worth pointing out, for me at least, viewing both lists, not only is the 4070ti one more expensive, it has a case with poorer airflow, a motherboard that may require flashing to work, potential power issues when overclocking, and doesn't include a windows key

if you take the windows key off daekesh's build to match the 4070 build, then its $1440 vs $1730

which is a not too insignificant chunk of change

which imo makes the prebuilt an even better deal rn.

[sinful thicket]

The prebuilt has a Windows 10 Home OEM key. You can get Windows yourself for 20 dollars at most places.

[fresh fog]

very true, but it's still a cost not accounted for in the other list

[fallen oasis]

They must have good scarecrow factories on Mercury, because everything you say is a strawman.

[fresh fog]

I must be tired because that took me embarrassingly long to get

[fallen oasis]

It was a very poor joke.

[fresh fog]

nah it's my favourite vein of humour

[fallen oasis]

Terrible puns?

[fresh fog]

yep

gotta love em

[fallen oasis]

That you do.

Also I'd love to know where you can get a legal w10 or 11 oem cd key for $20.

[fresh fog]

At that price point I've only seen the gray market stuff myself.

And I didn't mention them for obvious reasons

[fallen oasis]

I'm sure you can absolutely make a better build.

But you don't have to build it yourself.

So you're already paying a premium just to have a working box delivered to your door.

You take that into account and $1700 is a pretty sweet deal.

I'd never do that, though. I'd build my own every time.

[fresh fog]

Me too, it's half the fun. And for that price list you can definitely save a hundred bucks here or there.

But when you consider delivery, someone else builds it, guaranteed to work with no messing around troubleshooting? Not to mention there's those that are a bit terrified of ordering 1.5k worth of parts, and accidentally breaking something, with warranty not covering it. It's a pretty fair concern.

Pretty damn good. Especially considering most prebuild companies charge a hell of a lot more for that premium. I've seen some really egregious ones.

[fallen oasis]

I was very worried about building my latest system. I'd have easily paid somebody 100 bucks to build it if it eliminated the risks of damaging the components myself.

[fresh fog]

I was terrified. My magnetic screwdriver was old and faulty and the bit dropped out of the screwdriver and chipped something off the bios chip. Fortunately still worked perfectly, but it could have gone very differently

[fallen oasis]

Oh god.

[fresh fog]

It's also one of those where no matter how many systems I build, screwing the cooler down is terrifying 🤣

[fallen oasis]

I was never sure if magnetic tipped screwed drivers were good or bad for collecting wayward screws.

Probably bad.

[fresh fog]

Needless to say I have since replaced said screwdriver

[fallen oasis]

Of course, dropping the motherboard mounting screw into the case and never finding it again is probably the worst.

[fresh fog]

Oh god yeah no doubt.

[fallen oasis]

I knew a guy once who built a pc and it had trouble booting. We said it might have been heat related. So he touched the cpu after booting it up to check.

Just let that sink in for a moment.

[fresh fog]

The entire build of that system was awful. I made the mistake of picking an awful case, with a semi modular psu, where the cables were so stiff the hard drive mounts had to go to fit it in, so ssd only.

Then as I was getting the windows installer onto my flash drive, it was 50% complete before my old system literally exploded. So I had to wait a few hours to visit someone else to download it lmaooo

[fresh fog]

I'm sorry what...

[fallen oasis]

Literally exploded? Lol

[fresh fog]

Touching live electrical components that are also known for reaching above 100 degree temperatures is so many layers of bad

[fallen oasis]

We figured out what his problem was pretty quickly after he said it. He hadn't installed the HSF.

[fresh fog]

Yeah. It was a really old emergency buy. On its last legs as is, only thing I can assume is a crappy PSU or a power surge took it out.

[fallen oasis]

Just for an extra layer of bad on top everything else.

Ah.

I had a psu go once. Gotta love that smell of burning plastic and the small puff of smoke.

[fresh fog]

I love the smell of burning electronics in the morning

[fresh fog]

👀

"Just let that sink in for a moment."

I guess we know what he didn't do then

[fallen oasis]

Unintentional pun is unintentional.

[fresh fog]

But still glorious

[fallen oasis]

Indeed!

[stone verge]

Hey, was wandering if anyone here aleardy tried to set iphone/iPad VCAM for tracking with UE Live Link VCAM and real camera on set and what are the best approach ?

[obtuse rapids]

Has anyone seen some new crashes from Nvidia? Getting a lot in 4.26 and can't figure out what has changed on my end

Not sure if it was a steam vr update or nvidia update

[sinful thicket]

Projection won't help avoid the conclusion you're trying to avoid.

[sinful thicket]

Downgrade your drivers if you upgraded them. Otherwise try to find a pattern in the stack traces.

[median marsh]

well Daekesh, your build is really below the price they asked. considering the windows license cost

even newegg (those who offer the pc) only ask $120 for windows 10 home which is shipped with the computer

removing $80 from your $1647.05 build ends up below the $1600 😛

the review on windows 10 are also nice 😄

It is what it is.
Pros: It is windows
Cons: It is windows
Overall Review: Like we really have much of a choice

[fallen oasis]

Ikr.

[median marsh]

conclusion? imho it's neither a bad nor a super good deal

[fallen oasis]

Yeah.

[agile lodge]

https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-graphics-cards/command-your-forces-with-the-latest-geforce-rtx-4070-graphics-cards-from-rog-and-asus/

[devout pendant]

my Exodia 64GB malfunctioned in just one week. For some reason it became write protected with all format attempts not working. I was able to low level format it with 8GB after multiple attempts and microwaving it. In the end I sent it back to Kingston.

[timber cobalt]

hey all, I would have a ram question.
I have that module kit right now :
https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/HX436C18FB4K2_32.pdf
That is discontinued, but I would add an extra 32gb to my PC.
That is the model I can buy, and according to Kingston, that is the replacement model:
https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/KF436C18BBK2_32.pdf

Specs looks the same, it should work, yeah?

[fresh fog]

yep, theyre the same timings so you should be fine. if you're super worried you could always buy a second hand kit of the old stuff but there isn't any reason they wont work

[timber cobalt]

Cool, thanks :)

Fortunately I will have 2 weeks after purchase for refund if it is not working, but I like to avoid the hassle.

[fresh fog]

yeah returns can be a royal pain

its why i tend to order my parts off amazon.
sure sometimes i pay a little more, but the next day delivery and no hassle returns are quite nice :P

[devout pendant]

uh?? So now I have rebar enabled. I didn't had to update the firmware. What was disabled in the bios was "above 4G decoding". Rebar was enabled, but the former wasn't. So to have rebar working I have to enable both rebar and the above 4G decode.

[agile lodge]

https://rog.asus.com/event/rog-Phone/ if you want gaming phone

[rich wharf]

anyone know what unit the wear level count reported for SSD's is in? like is it a percentage that when you hit 100 your drive is b0rked ?

[median marsh]

depends on the brand afaik

[rich wharf]

ah dam, okies

[cosmic root]

4070ti 4080 or 4090 for UE5 smallish projects?

I'd rather get a 4070ti due to price, can push to get a 4080 liquid cooled or a 4090 but seems a bit much for the moment.

Can anyone help me decide, it's mainly to make vr games, some small open world games and others, 3d modelling and ai generation.

Have a Ryzen 9 7950x, 64 gb ddr5

[fallen oasis]

You could do smallish projects on a 1060.

Just get whatever you feel comfortable with.

(price-wise)

[cosmic root]

Would I be limited with with 12gb vs 24?

[devout pendant]

Where's a good site to buy mechanical keyboard components in the EU?

[fallen oasis]

12gb is sufficient. 24gb is obviously a lot better, but it's cards with 6gb or 8gb you want to avoid.

[devout pendant]

got an 8GB on it's way from china as we speak, fukit ill upgrade if and when I gotta, whole lot of tuts to get through b4 me worried about performance

[fallen oasis]

Yeah. It'll be fine for starting out.

The 3060 12gb was a good option over 3070s a while back because the 3070s didn't have a 12gb version.

[devout pendant]

do any come with extra hours in the day? cause that'd be amazing

[fallen oasis]

If only.

[fresh fog]

aliexpress do good cheap stuff if you can wait a few months for shipping.
amazon do keycap sets and switches, but AliExpress is hoestly a goldmine for the rest

other than that you could harvest odd switches from unsuspecting victims

[frank glade]

https://www.cgchannel.com/2023/04/amd-unveils-radeon-pro-w7900-and-w7800-gpus/

I wonder how good these would be for UE as well

[median marsh]

that probably depends on what you expect from them

i guess puget systems will do some benchmarks on them at some point, but they also said that the normal RTX cards are more popular for workstations (might obviously also be related to their price compared to the professional cards)

[vagrant anvil]

yep. I'll take a look whenever I can get my hands on one

they aren't good for GPU rendering, and missing features needed for Virtual Production, so its unlikely we'll add it to our primary product line, but AMD in general does pretty well in Unreal, outside of hardware ray tracing and Path Tracer

$4000 is a lot if all you are getting is more VRAM

[little moon]

so

name one thing that could go wrong with reinstalling windows

[agile lodge]

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[ivory grove]

my gpu died now im on intel hd 4600 [no vulkan,no dx12]

after installing latest intel drivers, i can run unreal 5.1 with -dx11 argument
eventhough my gpu doesn't have vulkan support [checked using gpu-z]
HOW THEN UNREAL RUNS?

---

in linux my gpu has vulkan support
when i run it on linux it complains vulkan device not found
and i cant get it working with opengl either

[median marsh]

-dx11 launches unreal with directx11

and your gpu doesn't support vulkan, so you cant use it on linux

and opengl support was removed in unreal 4.26

so your only option is windows with directx11

[ivory grove]

i dont understand
how unreal 5 works without vulkan in windows

[median marsh]

by using directx11...

[ivory grove]

hm

[twin pewter]

has anyone seen a benchmark on 7950x3d vs 7950x for UE code/shader compilation (e.g., a pugetbench run or personal anecdotes)?

[devout pendant]

installed nicehash and ran for 15 minutes. Ryzen 5700x and RTX 3060 Ti LHR. It benchmarked at 14 USD per day. Is this normal?

[jade moon]

For what is U.2 port used for???

SSD myb?

[vagrant anvil]

we were waiting for the 7800X3d before testing since they decided to ship that one later, but then its also in the middle of convention season so we've been on the road a lot. From previous testing, and seeing what other reviewers are posting on non-gaming benchmarks, I doubt there will be much, if any difference between x3d and standard. Gamers Nexus did compiling of chromium, which is the closest comparison to shader compile, and there was virtually no difference.

[vagrant anvil]

yes, they are for special SSDs, mainly for enterprise/server use.

[jade moon]

Is it good for like game making and that stuff?

[vagrant anvil]

no better than a standard ssd

[jade moon]

Ok thank you man

[opaque pond]

yes

[lilac crown]

I would appreciate some advice around buying a GPU upgrade for my workstation.
I'm getting a job as a UE5 generalist programmer.

Current specs:
MSI B450m Mortar Max
CPU: AMD 3900X
GPU: AMD Vega 56 8GB
RAM: Crucial 2x16GB 3000Mhz DDR4

What GPUs I found for good prices:
500€ - Asus RTX 3080 TUF 12GB (used)
690€ - XFX Radeon RX 6950 XT

Anyone got experience with the AMD 6950xt or 6900xt with UE5 development? Like Nanite and Lumen performance?
Gaming benchmarks show that it's a slightly better in rasterization and equal or slightly worse in RT, than 4070ti, which starts around 920€

[vagrant dock]

Anyone got a recommendation for a motherboard for a 7950x? Not looking for a super high end one, but would like at least an x670. Feel like the majority of them have a bunch of doa reviews or big issues with ram etc so struggling to decide haha

[devout pendant]

So, downgraded the nvidia driver to pre-LHR version. Nicehash is estimating 60 cents per day

[jade moon]

Do someone know, can I connect u.3 ssd in u.2 connector?

[median marsh]

check www.mindfactory.de they have "reklamationsquote" on each product page which shows how many % of them got returned (those are probably combined RMA and just refunds) anyways it gives you an idea of how reliable a component is

[devout pendant]

is there a perf loss if I use 16GB x 2 + 32GB ?

[fallen oasis]

So 3 ram sticks?

[devout pendant]

ye

[fallen oasis]

Not ideal. Afaik you want to stick to pairs.

2x being better than 4x as well.

[fresh fog]

Unless you use a quad channel board. But I have a feeling if you were running a threadripper you probably wouldn't be asking this question :P

[fallen oasis]

Idd

I wonder if I have a quad channel board.

[fresh fog]

Do you use an eatx board? Or something like a higher end Xeon? If so, probably, otherwise probably not.

In fact I'm not sure I've seen an ATX motherboard with quad channel

[fallen oasis]

I honestly have no idae

The specifications are woefully unclear.

"8 channels memory architecture (1 DIMM per channel)"

[fresh fog]

Ah of course! I forgot, the cpu needs to support it to. Hence why there isn't any standard boards that support it. Only Xtreme edition, Xeon, epic and threadripper do

[median marsh]

i guess most TR boards are quad channel!?

and yea @devout pendant it's not ideal to have 3 sticks, if you are lucky 2 will run in dual channel and the other one in single channel (but that also depends on the dimm slots you use and probably if the chipset/mainboard supports it)

[devout pendant]

B550M

4 slots

max 128GB. I have two 16GB. If I add 32GB in one slot I'll have 64GB.

[fallen oasis]

Add 2 16s.

You'll never really need more than 64gb.

[devout pendant]

even for ue5?

[timber cobalt]

I have not get problems with 32 so far

I almost maxed it out few times, but mostly fine

maybe some heavy big project cooking can be tricky

[sage bane]

I would say 32GB is the minimum for game development right now. 64gb is worth it if you want to be future proof. but save your self some headache and don't go for 3 ram sticks.

[median marsh]

i've imported fbx files (~100mb in size) which unreal decided to use ~70GB memory to import them

and light baking on CPU also needs more memory (but usually people use gpu lightmass these days!?)

[opaque pond]

it depends

if you put 2x16 + 1x32gb on each channel , no

if you put 1x32+1x16 on one and 1x16 on the other yes*

[timber cobalt]

Meanwhile today

I hoped not that will be the time when I run out of memory :D

[frank glade]

I have 64 but it fills too fast. One maya scene, one 4k substance painter and firefox and it's almost full

[devout pendant]

I'm running 3060 Ti at 70% power, running nicehash nonstop. Is it a bad idea to mine up to 10 USD? It's going to take many weeks.

[fresh fog]

yes. you'll use more than $10 worth of electric just doing that most likely.

So its not even a win win

[devout pendant]

I was thinking on saving the coins for a later time

[median marsh]

stop wasting energy for nothing

[fresh fog]

^^^

[vagrant anvil]

on a 3060, you'd burn out your card faster than you'll earn money to replace it. Even running 24/7 you'd only make pennies a day.

[frigid heath]

I tried to explain a coiner that the "halvening" when there is 50% of the float left... 20% of the float or just the remaining 5% of the float is not the same thing

it really doesnt matter anymore how expensive to mine it is now.... just who is buying and who is selling

I dont think he understood what i was saying

[fresh fog]

honestly, neither did i :P

[frigid heath]

if there are 1m mined and 20m left to mine... now it gets more expensive to mine the last 20m that makes the 1st 1m more expensive

if there are 10m mined and 10m left to mine there is less that can be added but 10m to be dumped

[fresh fog]

https://tenor.com/view/blender-brain-my-brain-wut-confused-gif-21785741

[frigid heath]

most is allready owned so it really doesnt matter the cost to mine em

untill offc the cost to mine goes way above the price at that time cuz than a lot of miners will stop and the network becomes a lot less secure

for me personally I dont believe tether is fully backed, so that makes crypto too risky to put any kind of real money in

the odds of a bankrun are too high... google and microsoft will allways hold some value

[median marsh]

which shows how dumb the system is since it's probably getting harder to mine the remaining 20M than the first 20M, which then will cost more money when using the same method... the whole thing is broken by design

[frigid heath]

well its not really broken, but im not a fan of it either

I expect it wil go in a deathspiral... but who knows

I think the Saudis own a lot and they have a lot of reasons to keep it up

[wind egret]

Better to buy $10 of coin now, sell it for $5 later, and save $10 worth of stress on your GPU.

[timber cobalt]

Saudis often invest in nft games as well, so there it is

when you have tons of money, you throw it to some direction and maybe it will make some profit

if not you make some artificial islands on the ocean, or build mall in the desert

they have obscene amount of money and sinking some in crypto is like a rounding error for them

[paper stream]

hey guys what do you think i should upgrade in my system CPU: 2x Intel Xeon E5-4657L v2 @2.9GHZ Ram: 64GB Ddr3 @cold quarryMhz Strorage: 512GB M.2 Ssd 6TB Hdd PSU: 1000w Asus Rog Strixs GPU: MSI Rx 570 4GB

[median marsh]

everything, except for the PSU

[fallen oasis]

Not sure what that graphics card is.

[median marsh]

old (probably >10 years, nvm seems to be "only" 6 years old)

[fresh fog]

Yeah it's a great card but the vram hurts it.

Not great for Dev work sadly

[median marsh]

it was a great card at it's time, yes

but nowadays even a 3050 is faster (not that i would recommend upgrading to a 3050)

[vagrant anvil]

even though that system has dual 12-core cpus, I'd bet a single 7950X or 13900K would be faster by a decent margin.

[median marsh]

probably even a 5950x

[vagrant anvil]

i'd upgrade the PSU too, just wouldn't trust a 10 year old PSU

[median marsh]

specially with mostly single threaded workloads (which is 95% of gamedev)

[vagrant anvil]

the bump from that DDR3 to DDR5 would be nice

that gen of Xeon is a curse word here because we used to do Quad CPU in a workstation tower. had to do some strategic dremel work on the case 😆

[median marsh]

yea it's kind of sad, that machine seems pretty nice and is probably still very good for a lot of multi threaded workloads, but for UE not so much

[fallen oasis]

Might be good for a server.

[paper stream]

yea this pc is pretty slow sometimes but its ok for now i just need to get money to build a real pc

well i just got this pc and its a pretty big upgrade from my previous one cpu fx 4100 ram ddr 3 12b and only 1 tb storage same gpu

[median marsh]

at some point the GPU might become a blocker and you just can't do more without more VRAM. The CPU/Memory is only bottlenecking speed, they should be sufficient for most stuff tho

[paper stream]

4 Gb has really been a pain sometimes i get vram exhausted in ue 5 and im not surprised its just a real pain

[median marsh]

yea try to keep your texture resolutions low, you can still add them as 2k/4k but control in their texture settings that only 1k resolution will be used (a limit which you could later raise)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk3W8Zhahdg&ab_channel=UnrealEngine this video does a good job at explaining it

[paper stream]

the nice thing about this pc is the shader compilation is crazy fast with 24 cores

thanks for this vid

[halcyon obsidian]

I've been trying to decide between a Radeon RX 6600 8GB or a Rtx 3050 8gb, the 6600 is about $50 more expensive here but it seems to do better in most benchmarks I've seen, but on Blender forums most seem to lean towards Nvidia for Optix rendering so I'm curious about which would be the better choice for Unreal.

[devout pendant]

mined 1 USD. Now I'm going to wait.

[spice girder]

I personly would say anything with less power then a RTX 3060 12 GB is hardly worth is for Unreal Engine, unless you make only small or tiny projects.

[halcyon obsidian]

Thanks. I was considering the 3060 as well for extra $70, I guess I'll be going for that one 🙂

[spice girder]

and don't take any gpu with less then 2 fans on it

[halcyon obsidian]

Thanks for the tip, greatly appreciated

[tropic rampart]

I am thinking about buying an high end laptop, I always liked being able to grab it and go. However is laptop a good choice for me I am not sure, so I kind of need some convincing, I would really appreciate your experiences if you have any. I have 10900k, 2060 on my desktop. I am planning to buy 13xxx, 4080/4070 laptop however.

I know most of the time I wont be able to use it non-wired while working, but that is not an issue for me, same goes for heating if it doesnt damage the parts

I will be "docking" it at home with monitors, and use it as is when I am outside. Im sure I can find a plug.

[frank glade]

Sounds good, probably faster than your desktop?

[tropic rampart]

it is but I am worried about if it is future proof

or if it actually performs okay while working under heavy load

I would like to hear from someone who used this kind of laptop like a long time review

[storm night]

7800X3D or 7950X? Was going to get the X3D but I saw today that the 7950X was 23% off and only $100 more than it. Not sure which would be better for Unreal Engine given its unique place as a game engine.

[sinful thicket]

7950X is a lot more powerful.

[devout pendant]

intel

[spice girder]

for game development not really and the power consumption is also much higher than with Amd

[vagrant anvil]

7950X for dev work, 7800X3D for game playing. you won't get much help from the X3D in the editor itself.

while the 7950X beats the 13900k, its also more expensive. anything lower tier that 7900X/13900K, Intel beats AMD in performance

[devout pendant]

Intel

[sinful thicket]

7950X for both game playing and game dev.

[steel forge]

I got a i5 4460 atm and its slow ahhh and a gtx 1060 6gb. I want to upgrade to a AMD cpu but i also gotta change from a Gigabyte GA h79m motherboard to something else like a asus motherboard

Anyone know what i should change motherboard aand cpu wise with a £200 budget?

[obtuse rapids]

Pretty sure I've got the 128 gb memory problem - I've been using two 64 gb kits - purchase at the exact same time in the same lot, So they have the best chance of being a part of the same memory build. Granted that doesn't really guarantee anything at all as opposed to a full kit, but there weren't many options in January ( I doubt there still are)

When I initially set it up I said it to use XMP profile and the most I could get from the G-Skill ripjaws s6 was 4400 and it seemed stable so I left it.

During this time and lately it seems more of it, I've been getting more random errors things like the Discord or Chrome crashing or a bunch of different older games crashing.

What's the go-to memory testing thing nowadays? Particularly for the DDR5 with 128gb in use?

[median marsh]

https://www.memtest86.com/ or https://www.memtest.org/

[obtuse rapids]

Just making sure nothing has changed - I've got a usb stick for memtest

Here's what confuses me - I enabled XMP 3.0 and set speed to auto - in bios it says "AUTO - 4400" okay, I guess 4400 was the speed it picked to go auto - but when I get into windows -

[obtuse rapids]

it's weird

[median marsh]

idk why windows shows something different, either your bios falled back to another speed, or windows shows the information from the dram controller

g.skill memory is often just overclocked memory which is rated for slower speed (from the company who sold the dram chips to gskill)

i made the same mistake to buy gskill even tho i had ddr2 from them fail on me -.-

they really seem to be unreliable

and for their RMA i have to send in the whole kit, which is why i probably wait until the next one fails -.-

[obtuse rapids]

well - how can i just set this to the most stable speed? I can set it manually to 3600, or I can set it to an XMP profile and then set that profile to 3600? which will result in most stability?

[obtuse rapids]

Or is there a way to disable some dimms in the bios without pulling the actual RAM sticks out?

[median marsh]

probably not, and even if you run it on lower speed it might cause errors

i would really advice running memcheck and getting rid of the faulty module, since you really don't want to deal with data corruption, etc.

[obtuse rapids]

okay but what speed should I test it out to sure that it is in the base settings?

[obtuse rapids]

I'll run it overnight which hopefully should at least find a faulty module

[median marsh]

it's usually pretty quick at detecting them, unless yours only produces errors when it's warm

and idk about the speed, you probably got DDR5, which i haven't messed with yet

[obtuse rapids]

it's a rabbit hole of the worst case of early adopter problems I have ever seen

[obtuse rapids]

should I disable XMP and just run them at a slow speed? what speed should I run them at?

for the memtest I mean

[median marsh]

for memtest i would test with XMP and without (they probably will use some default timings/speed then)

and when you figured out which module it is, you should test it alone without any other module in the mainboard, to get sure that it's not a dualchannel incompatibility

[obtuse rapids]

ugh

[obtuse rapids]

Fuck I have the z790 generation what a clusterfuck of shit. I've been trying to boot into f****** mem test for an hour now

And it just doesn't f****** work

WHYYYYYY

There's no UEFI option and I tried two different USB sticks formatted for the most recent version of UEFI memtest

[serene dome]

I have not seen Memtest86 be recommended ever since its fall from grace a decade ago... Btw, I wouldn't rely on a single program/test for stability.

[fallen oasis]

What happened to memtest86?

[serene dome]

IIRC, development had stopped and it got bought

The ones linked on here are the two forks from the original

[fallen oasis]

Ah.

[median marsh]

it serves it's purpose tho (and even memory companies recommend it for testing...)

[obtuse rapids]

Is it not recommended because it doesn't work? Maybe I'm missing something but so far it hasn't failed -

I have a question about the RAM info though : that speed and settings are NOT What I have it set to in the BIOS, at least I'm pretty damn sure. If it passes its final error checking, is it basically giving me the timings there that I would want to use ? I don't know enough about memory controllers to know if the same settings used in mentest would also be effective in booting into Windows/XMP profiles

[agile lodge]

https://rog.asus.com/gaming-handhelds/rog-ally/rog-ally-2023/

[fallen oasis]

"play all your games" with thumbsticks 😦

[fresh fog]

Osu with thumbsticks

[serene dome]

Is it not recommended because it doesn't work? Maybe I'm missing something but so far it hasn't failed -

It definitely works but it is not recommended due to how long it takes for it to detect errors. Memory overclocking is already time intensive enough, and relying on Memtest86 alone can quickly make it prohibitive for most people. If you are going to use it, then I'd advise to test your modules/kits to what they've been tested and certified for to get a baseline... so no mixing kits together.

I have a question about the RAM info though : that speed and settings are NOT What I have it set to in the BIOS, at least I'm pretty damn sure.

If it's anything like the original, then that is just static info that it arbitrarily read from the SPD table and the settings you've inputted into BIOS are what is being used. A decade is a lot of time to make tweaks and improvements so that may not be the case anymore.

is it basically giving me the timings there that I would want to use ?

As far as knowing which settings to use when starting to overclock, looking at the SPD table is a good start. Use the info for 4,400 MHz since this is: DDR5, Intel RPL, 2 DPC, and 2R. If minor tweaks to those settings (timings, voltages, etc) don't get you stable, then get acquainted with some serious memory overclocking (which I feel is out of scope for this channel in this server).

[median marsh]

didn't even take me 5minutes to find errors with 128GB memory with memtest86+

maybe i was just "lucky"

[serene dome]

Maybe they've improved it lately, I don't know... but all I've ever heard from others using it is complaints on how long it takes compared to others

In any case, I'm still advocating for multiple programs for thoroughness

[median marsh]

it doesn't take any longer than any other memory test for the same procedure, why would it even?

it does a lot of test patterns, which other memory testers may not do by default

but you can disable that in memtest86+ aswell

those who complain about it's speed don't understand how it works

[serene dome]

It's not just about its speed. Many have passed Memtest but failed on others. Again, I'm all for multiple testers

[median marsh]

https://memtest.org/readme#memory-testing-philosophy

[drowsy gale]

I managed to crash memtest86+ instantly by installing two different 8gb sticks in an old laptop

no errors, just dies at 55% in pass 0 test like, 2.

[pearl quartz]

Hmm do I need another 64gb of RAM

[fresh fog]

The answer is always yes

Do not stop until you have a terabyte of RAM

[sinful thicket]

My heavy lifting machine has 256GB 8-channel RAM.

You probably don't need more unless you know you do. I wouldn't want to do serious dev on a machine with less than 64GB though.

[fallen oasis]

@vagrant anvil When you test compiles times, do you use the bShowCPUUtilization flag in your buildconfig.xml?

[vagrant anvil]

thats the area I'm least familiar with. Being a former Environment Artist, compiling code is new to me. currently, I'm just using the time to complete in Visual Studio 2022. We are bringing a programmer on board to help make the benchmark something that anyone can download and run, so if you have a better suggestion on how to do it, i'd love to know more.

[fallen oasis]

No, guy at my company is just testing the output on various machines and the utilization %age is pretty random. Was wondering if you guys had any experience with it.

[vagrant anvil]

ah. I've had very strange experiences with Xeon procs lately. One CPU will have really bad compile times, but shaders and light baking are just fine, then swap CPUs and the new one does great in code compile, but shaders take 3x as long.

[fallen oasis]

Lol

[gritty kraken]

Which laptop setup do you recommend me (I'll mostly use it for unreal engine)

[fallen oasis]

The 6gb of vram in #2 is going to hurt you.

[gritty kraken]

OK thx

[fallen oasis]

Even 8 isn't enough.

You want 12

[median marsh]

even 12 isn't enough

[fallen oasis]

At least 12.

24 is the way to go.

[median marsh]

i bet i'll even exhaust 24 😄 (or rather unreal + blender...)

[gritty kraken]

Yeah but the price ...

[fallen oasis]

Is it a laptop?

If you're worried about price, don't buy laptops.

[gritty kraken]

I need a laptop because it takes less space and I can bring it with me wherever I go

[fallen oasis]

Then you're paying for that convenience.

[gritty kraken]

I know that's why I have to sacrifice some performances

[vagrant anvil]

the 16GB of system RAM isn't going to be great either

I'd prefer the CPU from #2 and the GPU from #1

[gritty kraken]

Thats why it's hard to chose

Do I prioritise cpu or gpu ?

[fresh fog]

8 cores will honestly be fine for ue work. It's the vram that gets you

[gritty kraken]

I think I'll just wait until there are more sales

I might aswell wait until the black friday sales

[paper gust]

Hey, I am wanting to order new PC parts and build a new PC from scratch specifically for UE5 and 3D Artwork + Gaming. Anyone recommends any specific/particular AMD CPUs and Motherboards? Also, how much ram? I need it for video rendering work too in Adobe premier.

[hybrid lichen]

https://www.amazon.in/ASUS-15-6-inch-i7-12650H-RTX-3070-FX517ZR-HQ030WS/dp/B0B3DPZ17X/ref=sr_1_14?cri is this laptop cut out for ue5?

[dim acorn]

What am I losing at 6 gb vram?
I have a 3060 desktop with 12 gb vram but looking to also get a laptop to work while travelling, so I want to understand where to cut corners

Because any 3060/70 laptop is ≥ my 3060 desktop (in cost)

[fallen oasis]

The ability to load textures and meshes and display them in your scene