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spark girder
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If that's the case would be a very tough decision indeed....

spark girder
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Mac silicon to be supported but only from source, launcher will only provide x86_64 binaries.

wind egret
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from 24 to 64 cores only 40% faster 🧐

slim flax
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Exactly my plan!

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Also curious, so far I've heard that the 13900 is slightly better than the 7950x but I'm waiting for Puget's UE specific benchmark on this

shy pike
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Hey anyone looking for a high end laptop for Unreal? Selling a nvidia rtx quadro 5000 Razer Studio laptop with 32gb of RAM

vagrant anvil
slim flax
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I assume the ryzen's a bit faster cause it utilizes all 16 cores while the intel one theoretically only has the 8 performance cores to offer

vagrant anvil
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thats my assumption. they provide the same number of threads, but Ryzen just has them all at peak performance

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we changed up how we present the articles, but here is how they stack up against Ryzen 5000 and Intel 12th Gen

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slim flax
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is it better for normal gaming purposes though?

vagrant anvil
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we dont test gaming anymore. haven't had any chance to look at other reviews yet.

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I'm more of a 4k, ultra settings player anyway, so CPUs dont make as much difference

fallen oasis
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(the 3xxx and 5xxx)

vagrant anvil
fallen oasis
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Thanks!

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No way mine compiled the latest source in 491s though.

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It should say which version it compiled!

vagrant anvil
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Its compiling 4.26 in Visual Studio 2019.

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on our to-do-list for next year is to break that portion off and make a standalone "programming/code compile" benchmark package. That should make that section a bit more useful

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just need to hire a programmer so that we don't have me, a former game environment artist, trying to learn code

slim flax
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ha I'd gladly offer myself if you send me the cpus lol

fallen oasis
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Heh

slim flax
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I wonder why the intel's single core performance is so much better though, shouldn't the amd be running a higher frequency?

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vagrant anvil
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in the CB article I mentioned how these tests were run at stock settings. If you were to enable PBO, the single core would score around 2000'ish for Ryzen 7000

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Didn't get a chance to look at Intel's MCE to see what that would add, but those are running stock as well

fallen oasis
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PBO?

vagrant anvil
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Performane Boost Overdrive I think.

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amd's auto overclocking

fallen oasis
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Ah.

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Sounds like an anime term lol.

vagrant anvil
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it just varys so much between motherboards, and coolers, etc that leaving it at stock give us a better baseline to then build up the whole system

fallen oasis
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Indeed.

slim flax
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Unfortunately these results don't make it any easier for me to decide haha. Sounds like the AMD is just marginally "better" than the Intel when it comes to compiling code and shaders, but the Intel one is significantly better when it comes to gaming. And, it's 100€ cheaper, and allows use of older ddr4 memory and mainboards that are cheaper to get.

fallen oasis
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Plus if the stock cooler doesn't deliver, that's their company's fault.

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So it should absolutely affect stats.

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Yeah, my TR mobo was like £800. Ridiculous.

vagrant anvil
slim flax
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So I might build my workstation that's supposed to last for the next year's with the Intel instead I guess?

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GPU will be a RTX3090 if that matters

vagrant anvil
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but how much "worse"

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if you are gaming in 1080p, and you drop from 200FPS to 180, are you actually going to notice?

slim flax
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Not really but what would be an opposite reason to get the 7950x instead if it + it's Mainboards are more expensive?

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It's a really on par race I feel, so power consumption and all that stuff needs to be dragged into the equation

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I'd be fine with getting both tbh, I'm just unsure about the pros and cons of both CPUs

vagrant anvil
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yeah, in the 7950/7900/13900 race, I dont think you'll have a bad choice.

slim flax
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Oh, I believe one thing is it doesn't require Windows 11 for it's thread director 😛

vagrant anvil
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true. the 7950 is still the ultimate multi-core performer. the "worth" is hard to pin down as that is different for everyone

fallen oasis
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The only thing you're really going to notice is the compile times.

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You absolutely notice 100s vs 80s 😄

slim flax
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So what would you suggest to someone who's mainly doing UE game dev / programming, but some gaming, music production and a bit video cutting? Unfortunately, that's a bit of everything haha

vagrant anvil
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I mean, we sell a LOT of TR Pro 5995WX for unreal dev work, but thats not worth it to a lot of people

fallen oasis
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If you aren't compiling the engine from source regularly, you don't need a TR

slim flax
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Yea that's a bit out of my budget. I'm building this PC for my use case to last for the next 6-8 years

fallen oasis
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I would get the 7950X then.

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An extra few hundred bucks for 8 years isn't much.

vagrant anvil
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the other thing to consider, this is AMD's first CPU in this socket, so you could potentially upgrade CPUs in a couple years. Intel is on the second CPU for its socket. It will likely see new CPUs, but Intel will Intel

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that said, if you did choose 13900k, I doubt you'd regret it.

agile lodge
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jay2cents explained it well

slim flax
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yea I've seen that video

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Pretty tough decision!

fallen oasis
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Tbh, it's only tough because it's so inconsequential.

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If it was clear cut and one was definitely better, it would be an easy decision.

slim flax
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My problem isn't the money, as Daekesh said, a few hundred extra bucks for 8 years isn't much, it's more that I wanna make the right choice

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And with them being so close together, it's hard to find the winner

fallen oasis
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Think of the alternatives then.

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If you spent those 200 extra dollars, what couldn't you do?

slim flax
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...have a couple more FPS in games and a better IPC (at least the current benchmarks suggest that)?

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BUT if I didn't, what is it that the amd would've done that I wouldn't have with intel

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so far the only negative point when considering benchmarks is that the intel drains more power, which makes sense though if it's around 5-10% faster

frigid heath
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you could buy a high end system thats 3 or 4 years old on the cheap and use it for 4 years?

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cuz thats what ur looking at in 4 years

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buy it for the years u get warranty on it 😛

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200$ could be 10% of ur next system in 3 years:P

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also high end

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buy what you need now.. not what might make ur system less suck in 6 years

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intel gettin soo behind... AMD just killin it with the ipc gains

slim flax
frigid heath
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yea prolly , not really up to speed on the latest...

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vid card i really couldnt say... some ppl need cuda ... i dont

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i have an amd 3600 now... it aint fancy but gets the job done

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if it got fried tomorrow i really couldnt care cuz i can get a faster cpu for 200$

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my rig is not build to last

slim flax
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My daily work is Unreal C++, but I do plan to play some titles I couldn't play on my old ass machine here 😄

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And in gaming the 13900k seemed a bit better but it's a battle against windmills I feel

wind egret
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at 4k the difference in gaming matters even less

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and the 5800X3D is still tops for many games

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which is almost annoying at this point.

slim flax
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I will get a 3090

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And I don't even have 4k screens lol

wind egret
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if electricity is free, 13 gen is fantastic
comes with free space heater and toaster oven

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distributed compilation rarrr

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I wonder how long before a CPU on a pcie board makes it to the consumer market.

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Are they?

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I've never looked them up. Maybe they don't leave enough room for RAM.

vagrant anvil
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like the Xeon Phi? they went up to like 72 cores, but have 4-way hyper threading, so like 288 threads per card, and 384GB of RAM

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thats also kinda way they tried with the NUC 12. the CPU/motherboard is basically a PCIe card, so you could update your system buy pulling that out and putting in a new one. swill waiting to see if they keep going with it

frigid heath
vagrant anvil
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exactly

wind egret
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Somehow I like the idea of ATX being thrown out and making everything out of PCIE cards.

vagrant anvil
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it always lags behind their CPUs too, so like by the time it sees a 13900, the 14th gen will be almost out

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right. I'd like for them to really go all in on it, and try to get AMD to make one, make it a standard form factor.

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until them is kinda a niche thing

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our customers are always asking for smaller computers, but video cards keep getting bigger

wind egret
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Can't fit 800W of hardware into something the size of the old NUCs. Not without cooling by a power washer.

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I like the idea of a thin client that fits in your pocket, paired with dumb portable monitors.

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Hopefully not the 7030ti

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In 2017, Intel announced that Knights Hill had been canceled in favor of another architecture built from the ground up to enable Exascale computing in the future. This new architecture is now expected for 2020–2021.

wind egret
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so there's no Xeon Phi 3 and I can't find any numbers for Phi compiling C++

wind egret
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stares at Arc GPUs

vagrant anvil
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in Intel's defense of canceling the Xeon Phi. they were like $7000 and got outclassed when things got optimized for GPU

wind egret
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It felt like they were outclassed when they came out. Personally I was hoping they'd be a good alternative to multi-CPU Xeon motherboards, but that was looking in from the outside.

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Now there's those ARM chips with 100+ ARM cores.

fallen oasis
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There's an ARMy of cores!

wind egret
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The 13900K has a 125W TDP and a 253W PL2 that can be overridden. But what happens to your 13900K if you actually hard limit it to 125W?

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Performance-core Base Frequency 3.00 GHz
Efficient-core Base Frequency 2.20 GHz

fallen oasis
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That's not the best.

wind egret
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Granted you'd never use it at TDP, but it makes me think you could make it a 35W TDP if you can lower the base frequency enough. (Does the CPU get unstable if you pull it down that much? Or is base frequency completely arbitrary...)

fallen oasis
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I'm pretty sure something would go wrong if it went down far enough.

wind egret
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Hm. Maybe they make the -T models with different transistors.
E.g. The 12900T goes down to 1.4/1.0 Ghz instead of the K's 3.2/2.4. But the turbo speeds are almost the same, so that's probably one hot potato.

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Maximum turbo power for the K is 241, but for the T is 106. Yet the K's turbo speed is 5.2 Ghz, but for the T it's 4.9 Ghz. It can't possibly be losing 6% speed for 56% less power.

fallen oasis
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Less cores?

wind egret
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Same cores. Assuming these figures mean anything at all, maybe Intel's assumption is that T processors aren't required to stay at their turbo speed for the same duration as K processors do.

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Maybe they're poorly binned laptop parts.

vagrant anvil
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The t-series are lower power version for micro computers with minimal cooling. You'd never really see them in a full size desktop

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they are probably poorly binned desktop parts

wind egret
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The laptop chips have different feature sets so it does seem like they can't be based on the laptop chips.

frank glade
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What if I don't do rendering or compiling, but instead need good single thread perfomance for DCC apps like 3ds, Maya, Substance Painter, etc (and multitasking). Should I get the 13600k/13700K or are there better options?

meager zealot
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If I had the choice between a 3070 and a RX 6800 non xt, which will be better for a solo UE5 developer, all the way from using the engine, to the software making the assets for the game?

fervent holly
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any one knows if i7 11700 will be good for Unreal Engine 5 ?

rugged osprey
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hmm is it worth using ryzen master on am5 processors?

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also do i need to do anything to make sure UE is using all the threads?

wind egret
meager zealot
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While the extra vram looks compelling, we do also have to take into account the rest of the hardware, like the cuda cores for example. Also Nvidia is way better suited for blender for example

wind egret
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Render your scenes in UE 😄

vagrant anvil
# frank glade What if I don't do rendering or compiling, but instead need good single thread p...

most modeling tasks are single threaded. Some simulations, such as cloth, fluids, particles, ridgid body, etc will sometimes be single threaded, or multi threaded. Each DCC handles them differently. if you do any of those, open task manager then generate the cache and see what the CPU does. If you don't, and you just do modeling, most modern processors are more than fast enough unless you are have a huge modifier stack on something with hundreds of millions of poly's (just dont do that)

frank glade
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I'm not unhappy with modeling speed, but usual operations that seem to take more and more time, like unfolding many/large meshes, auto UV layouts, 4k projects in Substance Painter slowed down (looks like it uses the CPU a lot in working with materials)

vestal shoal
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Hey everyone, where can I buy an off shelf PC, desktop or laptop, that will run 3D software smoothly? I’m struggling to understand what I need. Im running on a Mac and it’s so slow… help!

vestal shoal
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Only Blender at the moment

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How does this look for 3D work? I’m pretty clueless and have put this together after watching YT videos

vestal shoal
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Thanks for the feedback I really appreciate the help. I’m currently working through the Kitbash Minerva challenge and I’ll be doing this type of work.

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Is this better?

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north arch
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Ew, windows 11... Windows peaked at 95!

vestal shoal
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What set up do you suggest?

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It really feels like you need to be an engineer to buy a PC 😅

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Ok, modelling and rendering

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Eeevee

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Appreciate the help. I’ve also asked in Blender forums and eveyone is more than happy to tell you what NOT to get, but not what to get which isn’t very helpful 😂

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I’m not fussed about price. I just want a machine that will work and not chug along. It should be able to handle unreal as well

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I work in advertising so I’d imagine more high end automotive rendering

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What set up do you use?

mighty cosmos
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All I know is that I'm getting 128GB of ram the next time I upgrade

fallen oasis
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I have that now. Smoooooooooooooth sailing.

mighty cosmos
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64GB at the moment in some cases feels barely enough

opaque pond
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how long will a 3700x last?

vestal shoal
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How does this look to you experts? 😇

opaque pond
fallen oasis
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You don't need a 1200W cpu

vestal shoal
vestal shoal
opaque pond
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well a 1000W psu

fallen oasis
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I doubt you'll ever need more than 800W really.

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Even with a 4090.

opaque pond
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and maybe a better cooler for the same money

fallen oasis
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Be Quiet! is my go to brand.

median marsh
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Nvidia recommends an 850-watt PSU for its Founder's Edition (FE) 4090 and they have to play it safe and add some margin

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but some 3rd party cards come with 1200W recommendation

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after all, it depends on the PSU, there might be 800W ones which can handle the transient spikes just fine, and there might be some which don't

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well, even within the same brand there will be differences

vestal shoal
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Ok, it sounds like 1200W could be too much but if it’s not going to negatively impact performance I’ll just keep it

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I would rather overspend than go budget

median marsh
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i thought we got rid of that 50% myth

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which may have applied to PSUs 10 years ago, but not to the 80+ stuff

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where was the source?

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there was a video from a corsair guy which said it's not true anymore iirc

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yea well

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1-2% efficiency difference..

vestal shoal
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Does everyone feel more comfortable with this?

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median marsh
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most people here go gold+ anyways

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like the majority here could even calculate/assume when they hit 50%

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are you gonna say that you will mostly use 600W in a 4090 system? because i guess it's rather half of that

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and most likely closer to 600W while the gpu has load

vestal shoal
median marsh
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anyways, get the 1200W PSU if you don't mind the money, better safe than sorry

vestal shoal
median marsh
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uhm, idk

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rather get an nh15 or a bequiet darkrock pro 4

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funny enough there was a company which sold OEM keys in local supermarkets which got took down not too long ago

vestal shoal
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Thanks for the heads up

median marsh
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doubt

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i guess those keys have been supposed for pre installations, which never took place

vestal shoal
median marsh
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the EU law said, that customers can sell their keys, not that vendors can sell OEM keys

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but idc too much about that honestly, got 2 win7 keys from cases from the trash which i've turned to win10 licenses 😄

vestal shoal
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Is it no good?

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Aha sorry I will use that site when I’m at my desktop. I promise!

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That’s super helpful

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Buying a PC is a lot of effort!

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well, building a PC

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Yes I would have had no idea about that if it wasn’t for you!

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I would much prefer a pre built PC

vestal shoal
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Pc part picker is very helpful. I can just look at other peoples builds

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I’ll just copy

north arch
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32gb ram and 10gb vram might be considered light for dev work

vestal shoal
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What are your thoughts?

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Shit forgot the VRAM

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I can’t add the 13700K at the moment

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But increased the VRAM, I’m not sure about the brand though

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Price pretty reasonable

opaque pond
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What do you think about the 3700x anyway?

vestal shoal
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I will get the 13700K but PC part picker doesn’t have the option atm.

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I’m not entirely sure what your last comment means

vestal shoal
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Ok that’s added but with disclaimer ‘If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, upgrading the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.’

vagrant anvil
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if you are doing blender rendering, then you are better off with Nvidia. a 6800 XT is slower than a 2060 Super according to their benchmark database.

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it takes a LOT to max out VRAM in a blender scene

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I'd only go DDR4 if you are trying to keep this build cheep. DDR5 will improve shader and code compile by about 20%.

vestal shoal
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Thanks for your input

prime loom
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November 3rd is the announcement for release date i think?

slim flax
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ha let me know if you figured that out, I'm in front of the exact same question 😛

prime loom
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Even though AMD are more expensive right now, im going for the 7950x

slim flax
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I think that's what I am leaning towards too as well

prime loom
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New Intel CPUs draw a lot of power.

slim flax
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I've read somewhere that the 13900k will be the last cpu on this socket, while the 7950x is the first one

prime loom
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If you plan on using the same mobo in the future for a CPU upgrade, then yeah, I wouldnt go Intel.

slim flax
prime loom
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Me personally, I usually buy new stuff after years lol

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My current rig is 6 years old.

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Ill probably go another 6 years before upgrading again after I buy all new gear this year.

slim flax
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Mine is 8 and rocks a GTX960 😄

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I'll be real happy to replace it with a 3090

prime loom
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Im going all out with a 4090

slim flax
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Nice! Yea i think the 3090 will be "good enough" for the next years for me

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It's only the cpu that I am still unsure with

prime loom
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Yeah it probably would be.

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4090 seems rediculously overpowered that im confident it will last at least 6 years 🙂

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If not 10 haha

slim flax
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I would hope lol

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I think the 24gb of Vram is a real nice to have for the future, the 3080 has 12 (or 10, I forgot), and there's currently only like a 200€ difference between them

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GPU prices have become somewhat reasonable fortunately

prime loom
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lol

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Im waiting for AMD GPUs to release towards the end of the year before I get a 4090

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My hope is it will push the price down at least some.

wind egret
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4090 wasn't priced that badly but it's all al-a-scalp now.

frigid heath
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i thought scalping was over... enough supply these days

wind egret
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Crypto eating up every card is over with, but not having enough cards for the first few weeks is probably 'normal'. Especially as each new generation of cards launches more slowly than the last.

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Should be better when they launch the 4080 and whatever the 4080 12GB version is renamed to (surprise, it's the MX4080!).

north arch
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4080 12gb would be 4190 or 4092?

slim flax
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So you've went for the Intel? Don't know if I understand correctly 😅

slim flax
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Sales for the Zen4 amd processors are shitty right now but I believe that is because people can't upgrade their rigs with them and with the prices of motherboards and new rams they might need an upgrade is too expensive, and there aren't a lot of people building a new pc from scratch right now

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and lots of gamers wait for a 7950X3D appearantly

elder pebble
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Between the 7950x and 13900k
Which would be better for UE5 / Blender / AE / Premiere?

elder pebble
# slim flax and lots of gamers wait for a 7950X3D appearantly

There was no 7950x3d announced yet
more cache involves less clock speed, which does not translate into more fps in every cases
for games more cache can be good, for other games less frequency has bigger negative impact
for productivity it's a loss

vivid skiff
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Not to mention Blender, AE, and Premiere are mainly CPU bound, but with Blender you can at least make it more GPU bound

elder pebble
vivid skiff
elder pebble
vivid skiff
elder pebble
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No no, I want to understand what makes you think the AMD would be better

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I'd love to finally have an amd rig for once

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but so far benchmarks at intel's better, and i don't know what to look at outside of those benchmarks

vivid skiff
slim flax
fallen oasis
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And what that says is: it really doesn't matter.

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Or, in fact, that the 7950X is slightly better.

slim flax
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just have a good cooling for the CPUs

fallen oasis
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Just buy the 5995X

timber cobalt
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Hey, I would like to ask an advice/confirmation:
I have 2 m2 SSD in my PC. One for UE basically (engines, DDC, Projects) and one for the system and everything else.
I would buy a new m2, which would be faster than the old ones, and I am thinking about to use the new one for UE, as I believe I would benefit of the extra speed more in that case.
Am I thinking that right?

timber cobalt
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yeah, you are right, I checked it with Task Manager. It only used it more on editor launch and loading some bigger level, but nothing serious

fallen oasis
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I think I have a Crucial one.

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Yeah. The p5 plus.

tawdry drum
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Why? I absolutely love the EVO ssds

vagrant anvil
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reminds me of when we sent off some RAM because it was throwing errors in MemTest, and the company just disabled those specific sectors and returned it as "fixed"

wet ore
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I've always gone with samsung, they have the best lifetime and overall value for everything in my experience with them. They have a decent silicone lottery also, but somewhere if you read the fine print in the subsection of fine print article 2831-c_FinalV4, they say something about only being guaranteed x% of your sectors to actually be working. Still EVOs are great and even the QVOs make great second drives

wind egret
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And environmentally responsible! Imagine if it came with a proportional discount.

And this is our 7.99 GiB model, with a 0.125% price reduction.

fallen oasis
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Lol

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I mean that's basically how hard drives work, why not ram?!

vestal shoal
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❤️‍🔥

fallen oasis
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Words.

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Just words.

wind egret
wind egret
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Built perfectly to spec, working as intended

opaque pond
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How much ram is recommended for an 8 core cpu?

fallen oasis
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32gb?

opaque pond
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Could 24 do?

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Oe even 16

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Eh the price increases make that hard

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The 8gb one would be the cheapest

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Ok so 8gb is 1410€
16gb is 1850€
24gb is 2620€

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Its for the entire pc

fallen oasis
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Beyond ridiculous.

opaque pond
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24 is the max

fallen oasis
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What's she's saying is that you're being ripped off.

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Unless there are extreme upgrades in other areas.

opaque pond
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I think just ram if I am not wrong

fallen oasis
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Then do yourself a favour, never, ever go to this retailer again.

opaque pond
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Let me check the other specs

fallen oasis
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Is it a laptop or desktop?

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2x8gb, 2x4gb. 😂

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Or worse.

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3x8gb.

opaque pond
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Ok the 24gb also has a 1tb ssd instead of the 256gb on the other ones

fallen oasis
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Is that the only change?

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one tb is small for unreal

opaque pond
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And the ram

fallen oasis
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Desktop or laptop?

opaque pond
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Laptop

fallen oasis
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Are you in some country where tech is expensive?

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Like 5x as much as oither countries

opaque pond
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Yeah

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Tech is expensive

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Well in the us its 1199$/1399$ and 1999$

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For the exact same thing

fallen oasis
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You're not buying alienware are you?

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Or a macbook?

opaque pond
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MBA

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With the m2

fallen oasis
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Don't buy a mac.

opaque pond
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Isnt it good for unreal

fallen oasis
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No

opaque pond
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I thought it had great battery life and power efficiency

fallen oasis
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That's not what you want for Unreal.

opaque pond
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Well tho I can work for long periods of time

fallen oasis
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So plug it in.

opaque pond
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Well i dont have access to power sockets

fallen oasis
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How are you going to charge it when ti runs out of battery then?

opaque pond
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Well i will when i get home

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Well windows is too

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Linux hss been the best experience so far

frigid heath
opaque pond
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Like some things didn't work from the start but once theh got solved its pretty much flawless

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Like on windows i cant compile while having the engine open

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Compiling on linux is flawless so far

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Like on windows it throws errors not associated with my project

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I've tried asking and they all just said to ignore the errors

fossil cipher
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you serious? Mine were so much more expensive. I paid like 150€ more or so

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I couldn't even find 32 GB single stick RAM anywhere 🙈 I would've loved to eventually upgrade to 128 GB as well. Now I have 4x16 GB.

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dunno if DDR5 is even worth it rn 😄 but had to buy new MB anyway.

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you can't have more than 128 GB anyway, can you? At least current CPU's are capped to 128 GB afaik.

narrow berry
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This is why I waited to buy a 4090, plenty of YouTube video's said this could happen before they were even available for purchase

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And last year with the 3080's

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Lol

mighty cosmos
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I don't know who in their right mind thought a few tiny pins can handle 600W

Like anyone with some basic knowledge would see it as a bad idea

narrow berry
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Seems like quite a few pictures are floating around of burned connectors like this

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Seems it may be caused from bending it. People putting the side cases on is bending it and I guess shorting it out or something?

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Ah yeah

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lol

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It's dumb that you should have to worry about that at all

mighty cosmos
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Someone should be fired for even suggesting this new connector

narrow berry
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Yeah, very poor design on their part

narrow berry
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Yeah

frigid thicket
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I'm buying this laptop on loan specially for unreal engine please tell me Is it Good for VR Dev. ??[Asus Vivobook pro 15 Ram : 16GB, 512GB SSD, AMD Ryzen 7 ‎5800H 8core cpu/16threads, NVIDI GeForce GTX 1650 4GB VRAM]

wet ore
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"through our extensive testing", sounds like someone got to fry a few Gs worth of cards to figure that one out lol

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thanks for sharing, that's beyond crazy. they should have the connectors that could bend like that be a hard L plastic hold come by default, hopefully there will be a standard shipped solution

frigid thicket
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Some more cpu core???

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Or Ram /Graphic card

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??

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But it's still too expensive 😞

fallen oasis
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Then don't buy a laptop.

narrow berry
narrow berry
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I would try to get one with a better graphics card the 10 series by now isn't suitable for modern applications in gaming and even more so for Developing.

north arch
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vram influences shader compile times, ram influences compile times, both of which you should do often, both impact editor performance, unpacked assets are huge, source code is too, and you need room for the compiled result too

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you will be struggling there, but I'm not sure it meets editor minimum requirements

narrow berry
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512gb ssd is going to fill up fast

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you could store all your projects on an external though. That's what I did for a while

north arch
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how big's the editor?

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over 100?

narrow berry
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the symbols alone are 50gbs but that's optional

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Without the symbols or android/ios/mac etc support

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odd

north arch
frigid thicket
frigid thicket
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Actually on Asus website they says it's a creator edition

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4.4 ghz cpu 8 core and 16gb ram could run unreal in Linux??

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Which Graphic card is better Intel iris or GTX 1650 4GB???

fallen oasis
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Intel Iris? That sounds awful "onboard"

north arch
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creator probably means content creator, streamers and youtubers

fallen oasis
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What are you expecting this to meet the minimum specs for? Starting windows?

north arch
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and tiktokkers shudder

frigid thicket
north arch
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technically ue5's minimums

fallen oasis
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Minimum does not mean "fun to use" or "useful" just "it will start and your pc won't explode"

north arch
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but "minimum" and "enjoyable experience for more than a NES clone" may be vastly different

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technically, my old i3 with 670gtx and 8gb ram could load 4.27 but it was not even remotely viable

frigid thicket
north arch
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15 minutes to start

fallen oasis
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You need to basically double everything on that laptop.

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1650? Double it. Buy a 3300!

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😄

north arch
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there is another option

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buy a cheap laptop as a dumb terminal to remote into a proper workstation or cloud-based server

frigid thicket
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Okay thanks @fallen oasis

frigid thicket
north arch
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desktop hardware's cheaper, so if you have good net...

fallen oasis
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Just to be clear, a 3300 doesn't exist. But you probably want something in the 3xxx range.

frigid thicket
vagrant anvil
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will it work? yes. Will it be an enjoyable experience? probably not

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and Epic really should update its hardware page. I just closed everything except Unreal and created a blank project. my system hovered around 16GB of RAM in use while it built the project and compiled all the shaders before settling down to 11GB in use. so I'm not sure why they are saying 8GB minimum

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and don't even get me started on the quadcore processor. I get annoyed with shader compile times and I have a 5950X

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whats worse is the E5-2643 is a four core CPU. so even that much is incorrect

vestal shoal
north arch
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I assume an aws or digital ocean instance would work but not sure which wins for value or utility, or if others are around

vestal shoal
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Linode looks promising and you can use it on an iMac

vagrant anvil
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what kind of GPU performance does that give?

devout pendant
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ayo guys, looking to build a laptop, one thats at least as good as my pc. Right now im running on an acer nitro n50-500, with a gtx 1650, 16 GB of RAM, a 550W power supply, a i5-9400F cpu, and a 1 TB SSD. I want to get a laptop though, because I travel often and want to take this with me, and I want it to be at least as good, if not better, but I also want to avoid spending thousands (id rather keep it under 1500, 1000 if thats manageable). I heard the Lenovo Ideapad L340 15 was good, but I'm not quite sure if its equivalent, not so in touch with hardware, anyone think they could help me out?

vestal shoal
devout pendant
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any idea of what GPU I should buy for UE5
I currently have a cheap mid range GPU that I have been using ( rx 6800 ) and I was wondering what people recommend for an upgrade

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I went from 1660 super to rx 6800, but I feel like I should buy one of them 4090 or whatever they are called

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would a 4090 be worth the upgrade?

minor veldt
devout pendant
median marsh
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yea but it might stream in/out resources on purpose, while editing something like this might need something more beefy than a switch 😛

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that's kinda interesting, 5800 X3D + Zotac 4090

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so my guess is that for most systems a 1000W PSU should be sufficient, rather than the 1200W that some vendors recommend

devout pendant
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hmm, Ill show you an example?

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but much bigger than what you can see

full kite
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Hey, got a question about hardware. I'm upgrading my cpu soon and was thinking of 5950x but for the same price I could get 5900x and upgrade my ram as well (32gb 2500MHz to 64gb 3200MHz.) The increased core count of 5950x is assumably better but I don't know how impactful the ram update would be for unreal so which option do you think would be more beneficial?

full kite
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Yea, my system is AM4.

devout pendant
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thank you

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and should I upgrade to a faster GPU?

full kite
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Semi small scale RPG with realistic graphics

devout pendant
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Is it?, Well I guess thats good, is it an upgrade over the 1660 super, that was my old GPU

full kite
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I do game design, 3d work (maya, substance) and some blueprint programming.

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For what reason?

devout pendant
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yes I do

full kite
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Kay, thanks alot for the insight 🙂

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Cool, thank you

median marsh
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i second the 64GB over the 5950x

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unless you really do a lot of light building on cpu, which imho benefits most from multicore (but then, it may benefit more from more memory rather than a faster cpu/more threads)

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there are other things, too. but those don't happen too often that it wouldn't be bearable with the 5900x

fallen oasis
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You could get the 5950x and 32gb of ram and then upgrade later to 64.

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It's far easier to upgrade ram than a cpu.

median marsh
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the question is how much you want to keep investing in that system

north arch
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treat it like a rolling oil change, just swap parts as needed until nothing remains

agile lodge
wind egret
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The blessing of the lowest bidder.

north arch
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... crimp connectors shouldn't be soldered... and that's horrid soldering...

slim flax
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Since I'm building a complete new setup from scratch with the 7950x and a 3090, would you pick a X670(e) mainboard or a B650(E)?

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Can't really decide between the chipsets, there's a 100€ difference but I can't really figure out whether a X670 is really worth the extra bucks

median marsh
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that looks more like the pins end with a solder pad

north arch
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I haven't known any individual connector pins to be designed for soldering (d-subs and the like being soldered) as crimping is typically superior from a mechanical strength standpoint

wet ore
agile lodge
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the join where cables are connected is the issue on adapter

wet ore
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just for nvidia, not for other brand manufacturers making the same cable

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which is good news meaning it's not as big of a deal as it was originally made out to be and will be fixed quickly, and not even a problem when buying cards from most big brands

rancid ginkgo
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Hi everybody, today I ordered Steam Deck. So if somebody wants to test your games / projects...pm me and we will do something about it. (So you can simply config your game to be Deck ready).

median marsh
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those pad's don't look large enough to be supposed to be crimped, so they must be supposed for soldering

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however, the space between each connector looks horrible small

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The solder base is a mere 0.2 mm thin copper base with a width of 2 mm per incoming wire, which then results in 4 mm per pair for the middle connections. Soldering one or even two 14AWG wires to it is very sporty. Confucius says succinctly, “What is cast in cannot be seen, and what cannot be seen cannot be broken.”

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lmao

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that looks like someone fucked up on purpose

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ok, apparently the whole set of pins is using +12V while the lower one is for ground only, so the short distance is kinda okayish

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i wonder if it's safe to connect multiple rails from the PSU like this, tho

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usually there should be at least some small voltage difference which would induce backward current to the other rail 🤷

north arch
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that is a terrible solder job, and no way those pads can handle that current

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add in noise from the terrible geometry adding reflections...

median marsh
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it's indeed one of the worst i've seen

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look at this nightmare 😄

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well, the thing can handle the current, pretty sure

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that's 50 amps for 600W, so around 8,3A for each pin

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after all, it's shortened over the 6 pins anyways, so it can distribute 😄 (if the GPU side also is shortened)

north arch
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part of the problem is high current needs a lot of metal, which is a lot of thermal mass, which is not conducive to fast manufacturing

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note to self: next upgrade, resolder all my psu cables

median marsh
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might directly solder them to the GPU then 😄

north arch
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I worked on a buddy's rc car once, all I did was reflow the motor connections and it was dog-legging on carpet. So of course I did the FETs too, and brazed the differential into a locked version, he was quite happy

median marsh
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neat, but motors are quite sensitive to overcurrent

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which reminds me of the time i had to make coils for a motor for a school project 😄

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which was a nightmare, but good learning exercise

north arch
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oh, the motor was rated to take it

median marsh
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you can give them more for a short period of time tho 😄

north arch
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And if you're relying on crappy soldering to limit current in your design, you should be fired. Out of a cannon. Into a wall. Of bricks made of contact explosive.

median marsh
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but it might reduce the lifetime, as the insulation from the coilwire might burn off

north arch
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I didn't replace any parts

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just touched them with an iron and flux

median marsh
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and the driver FETs?! 😛

north arch
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literally just reflowed the solder

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crappy $15 chinese toy

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think he paid $50 for it

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I mean, he was driving it around on his living room and kitchen floor, a small can of an inrunner brushed dc motor

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generic tin can type

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711 size I think?

median marsh
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is that a supermarket joke? 😄

north arch
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nope

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it's a motor size standard

median marsh
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oh i see

frigid heath
north arch
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indeed they can

frigid heath
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ur skills might be more capable with psu than mine tho in that case go ahead if u like 🙂

north arch
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and frankly the psu warranty is the least of my concerns

agile lodge
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well when ground is there and other one is broken it still see as plugged so deliver power

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some have provide cable what every wire have ground so issue is fixed per say

frigid heath
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if there is big capacitators or leaking battery acid imma not touch it and call tech support 😛

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also if you smell fumes the air could catch fire

agile lodge
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its basically luck how well that is soldered too

median marsh
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got 400V from a small cap from a photo camera...

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never forget 😄

agile lodge
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short bramble
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Hi all

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After some time working in UE5, the editor is taking more and more memory (RAM)

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is it normal ?

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at start it takes less than 10%, and after hours it takes more than 30%

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Is there a setting or it's just normal ? I have to restart the editor after some hours ? I have 32GB of RAM

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I'm afraid that it is bringing down my FPS in game

narrow berry
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And are you sure it's just Ram and not VRam

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When you run out of VRam the engine will crash so that will be pretty obvious

short bramble
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It's RAM because I'm looking into the "Task Manager" of Windows 10

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I'm just working on a basic landscape

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and when I start the editor all is ok, it's just after a time, that's why I thought it was a setting maybe or I don't know

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Or maybe I imported too much FBX files without restarting editor ?

narrow berry
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Restarting normally fixes it

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I think they accidentally sent him the 5090

wind egret
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Back when 1000 watts was outrageous.

shadow prairie
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/Stramer

north arch
short bramble
north arch
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ahh

narrow berry
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So What do you guy's think of Lumen vs Raytracing....Raytracing performance is improving with Nvidia cards but with 5.1 and the improvements on reflections I wonder if the performance would be the same or better with Lumen? Has anyone seen a recent comparison video? One that compares not just the visuals but the performance in real time as well?

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Rumors are that the next gen AMD cards may actually top Nvidia on rasterization based on past trends. I've held out to see if they will but I'm not holding my breath

median marsh
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nvidia is working on making RTX GI/DI the real deal

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this shows thousands dynamic lights

narrow berry
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I'll check that out, I've heard rumors hear and there about other GI systems

median marsh
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the whole video is interesting tho, to get an idea of what might be coming to UE at some point

narrow berry
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Yeah Lumen performance Tanks with lots of lights

median marsh
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however this is vendor specific, so no idea how it would work for AMD cards

narrow berry
opaque pond
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I cant figure out which laptop i am going to get

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I still have some in mind but idk

median marsh
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lenovo legion 5 is something a lot of people here go for

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@opaque pond

narrow berry
opaque pond
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I've looked that up tho its bettery life isnt that good

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So ive thought if another 2 options

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one is the hp EliteBook 835 with the 6800u and the other is the m1 mba with 16gb ram @median marsh

median marsh
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i can't give you any recommendation

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the legion 5 thing is just what i noticed here

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16GB RAM is the bare minimum tho

opaque pond
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well that has a dgpu that rips the battery life

median marsh
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and get sure that it has a decent video card with ~8GB video memory and some nvme ssd large enough for OS + UE

opaque pond
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well both would have more than 8gb video memory

median marsh
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then they have a dgpu, too

opaque pond
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well both the hp and the mba would have their entire memory available as vram

median marsh
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well, that's BS

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it's slow and it drains from your system memory

opaque pond
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well i mainly care about the battery life

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since the current one doesnt have alot of that

narrow berry
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I do know one thing though is that under intensive workloads they all pretty much suffer from overheating

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All it takes is for you to close it thinking it will turn off and you stick it back in your bag and next thing you know your smelling smoke. Almost happened too me with my last laptop...it was so hot I could barely hold it.

median marsh
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i think it's also recommended to wait until it cooled down a bit before you shut it down and turn off the fans

narrow berry
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After that I realized that Laptops just weren't a good idea for game development unless you really have no other viable options

median marsh
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i even do that on my desktop, so that it doesn't get disabled with 80°C cpu/gpu and no fan spinning

narrow berry
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I leave my case open with a fan blowing in though

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every since I got that 3080Ti last year I can't close my case because my GPU will overheat the coolant on my water cooler that runs to my CPU....the thing will cause my CPU to overheat

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It puts off so much heat it actually heats up the radiator that would normally cool the water.

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When I upgrade again I may need to buy a case with a better design so the radiator doesn't sit so close to the GPU

opaque pond
north arch
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if you're so focused on game dev on a laptop, perhaps a lighter engine would be better?

opaque pond
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i've tried others

narrow berry
# opaque pond i spend most of my time not home

Just be careful and make sure it's actually off before you put it away. I think I probably damaged that one but I had only purchased it a week before that happened and it was actually the smell of something burning that gave it away. I returned it the next day and just built a computer...it wasn't a cheap laptop either, I spent about $2000-$2500 on it I don't remember exactly how much.

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It will help battery life as well if you keep the visuals set to low quality in Unreal.

opaque pond
narrow berry
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I mean like I bought an expensive laptop, but just closing it at least that one time didn't actually turn it off. It was so quiet I thought it had shut down

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but it didn't so when I put it in the bag the thing was still on and it started overheating

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I actually smelled something burning like plastic so I checked it and when I went to grab it I actually burned my hand lol

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Anyway It was still under warranty so I just returned it

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This was like 2 years ago or something and it had a 2080 in it...I can't imagine having a laptop with a 30 series card in it....

opaque pond
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https://www.skroutz.gr/s/32626405/Lenovo-Legion-5-15ACH6-Ryzen-5-5600H-16GB-512GB-GeForce-RTX-3050-FHD-No-OS-Phantom-Blue-Shadow-Black.html?from=listing what about this?

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narrow berry
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Seems like a pretty good laptop, the specs are decent. I would just be really careful with airflow. May want to invest in one of those cooling things to sit it on.

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The 30 series cards at least the one I have gets very hot, as I mentioned before it get's so hot I have to leave the side of the case off with a big fan blowing into it to keep it from overheating my CPU

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of course the Laptop variants aren't quite as power hungry but it may have issues with battery life

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and those things never have adequate airflow so they can overheat if your not careful

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I would pay the extra money for a warranty

north arch
narrow berry
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I know the old ones did

north arch
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yeah, that would make sense

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but quick restart makes sense from the standpoint of walking between meeting rooms or classrooms and closing the lid so confidential information isn't visible to visitors

narrow berry
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One thing for sure is if you buy a Laptop it's worth spending extra for a 2 year warranty

median marsh
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i would suggest 32GB ram, 1TB ssd and if possible 8GB video memory (at least 6GB)

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anything else wont last you long if you don't want to work with low res textures and simple games

nimble kindle
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3900x and dual Xeon 2697 v4 both have the same passmark score of 40,000. What cpu configuration would benefit UE5 more. 36c 72threads of the Xeon sounds like it would fair better.

fallen oasis
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More cores isn't always better, especially with that many.

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Most of the time you aren't using them all. I would look at single thread performance as well.

opaque pond
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The reccomended specs for unreal on google are a 7900x,rtx 3090 and 32gb ram how accurate is this?

fallen oasis
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Not unreasonable for a good experience.

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You're probabnly fine with an older tier cpu, though. ANd a 3060 or above.

opaque pond
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i got 8 too rn

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like what would be a more reasonable set of requirements?

mighty cosmos
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Those you found sound pretty reasonable, except the 3090, you don't need a 3090, probably 3060/3070 or up

And 32GB of ram as a minimum, would recommend 64GB

median marsh
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source: i have 12GB and reach the limit 😄

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but vulkan might behave different than DX

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i feel like the performance of the 3060 is fine enough to get stuff done, so imho it has the best price-value from the nvidia cards

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if you reach a point where your game is polished enough to think about RTX and Epic graphics settings, you should have sold enough to not worry about the price of a 3090 to even serve the high end market

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how much faster is GPU lightmass compared to cpu lightmass tho?

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i haven't used the former yet

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what about the memory usage? with cpu lightmass i hit >64GB on some levels, how would that work on GPU which usually has way less memory available?

north inlet
north inlet
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in general it scales by the number of unique meshes and materials (textures) in your scene

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and the density of VLM

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VLM vram usage is improved in 5.1 though

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it can page out lightmap tiles

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but not meshes

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VLM probe bricks can be paged out (during baking) too in 5.1

plucky meadow
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Am I just unlucky or do AIO radiators suck? I just RMA'd the second one in a year because air bubble becoming permanently trapped causing rattling that can't be cleared (it seems that usually it can be, but these because permanent)

mighty cosmos
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I have 1 in my main PC for the last like 2 or 3 years I think and another one in my 2nd PC and haven't had any issues so far with either of them

wind egret
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Are they gigabyte?

mighty cosmos
slim flax
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I'm trying to understand what AM5 chipset mainboard to pick, B650 or X670. So far, I see that the X670 supports PCI 5.0 and has more usable PCI lanes than the B650, but I am unsure whether that's worth it

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I got a 3090 and planning to get the ryzen 7950X

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to be honest I don't think I'll ever get something that's not a GPU for the PCIe slots

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at least I never had anything else for the past 10 years in there

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or does a M.2 ssd count?

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I see, the mainboard I'm looking at now is the ASUS TUF Gaming B650-Plus, it has a PCIe 5.0 for the M.2 slot, just the other slots are PCIe 4.0

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So I'm wondering if there's any other advantage in the X vs B chipset that's worth the extra money

slim flax
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There isn't a big price difference between a B650E and a X670 though, so I might as well consider getting that instead then

opaque pond
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amd doesnt look like a good option

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looks like a 13600k with a b660 is a good one

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i meant at the 2-400$ range

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like for unreal puget got their tests out

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and....

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only the 7900x and 7950x are competitive

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the other 2 just fail to beat intel's last gen i5

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a 13600KF + motherboard is 500€

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a 7600x + motherboard + ram is 740€

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ye so

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i could get a 13700KF bundle cheaper than a 7600x bundle

wind egret
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That gap is because the 7900X is seriously overperforming. The 7700X is almost half the 7950X in that benchmark, just like its cores. Suspicious.

cold summit
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ive got a ryzen 9 5950X, but ive got an NH-L9a fan on it

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had to turn off the auto overdrive until i replace the cooler haha

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managed to overheat it trying to render a scene a couple days ago though due to the render seemingly dumping everything on my cpu instead of gpu lol

median marsh
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i even hit 85°C with a nh15 "clone"

lucid dawn
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I considered buying a GIGABYTE RTX card, but found a cheaper ASUS TUF one. Does anyone know if Asus is trustworthy enough regarding this kind of hardware, or do they tend to fail more often?

median marsh
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personally i only have good experience with ASUS and it's probably my #1 brand for mainboards/gpu

lucid dawn
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Alright, thanks

livid gate
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Hi guys, I have one question. On my current PC setup I use RTX 4090, 64GB RAM, i9 13th gen. While using UE5 software, seems my CPU makes some noise. Does this behavior normal? or i need to fix something, any suggestion

mighty cosmos
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If it's a whining sound that's your GPU, it's called coil whine, perfectly normal
Some GPUs have it worse than others

north arch
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mmm... loose windings or core laminations on inductors or transformers

lucid cedar
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Hey! Is here a place where I can ask about windows?

agile lodge
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no

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if you mean new powerconnections as regular then yes

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https://videocardz.com/newz/galax-geforce-rtx-4090-hof-is-the-first-ada-gpu-with-dual-16-pin-power-connectors

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wind egret
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Are they for overclocking, or cheap components that require overbuilding?

narrow berry
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This first image is from a site showing the stats of a 4090....so I'm not sure if that's much to go on but it looks like it won't be quite as powerful as a 4090 but it will be faster then a 3090 Ti

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@restive star ^

mighty cosmos
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That's not much to go by, it's not an indicator of the real performance

narrow berry
mighty cosmos
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From the numbers they showed it seems like it's going to be very very close to 4090 in terms of rasterization for about 600$ less
1.7X faster over 6950xt is about there

narrow berry
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It may be better with some games given it has the new display port

narrow berry
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Cheaper and draws far less power

mighty cosmos
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I'm curious about the independent benchmarks once it releases but so far it seems like it's going to be close

narrow berry
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I'm assuming they will

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I want to see the results before I commit to buying one

mighty cosmos
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They usually do that

narrow berry
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Nice

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I don't want to have to buy a bigger case and a better power supply just to support a new gpu

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I've never heard of anyone preordering a gpu

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Is that a thing?

wind egret
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satire website?

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ah now I'm disapointed there's no actual lmaobenchmark

opaque pond
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just brain worms

north arch
tender yarrow
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What PSU should I buy if I'm planning to buy an RX 5700xt and a Ryzen 5800x? I have read that the GPU require at least 500W, but should I take a 600W or even a 700W one for the future upgrades or something like that?

median marsh
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idk what kind of mainboard you have, but i kinda have the same problem and for my Asus board it definitly does ram training by clocking it down with each restart until it posts

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so depending on how much it has to decrease timings/frequency it might need a few restarts

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what can help is to increase the memory voltage a bit, but i'm not gonna give any recommendations here (that's how i got my stuff stable on my old i7) haven't bothered with my current setup yet

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that's weird behavior, what mainboard is that?

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and yea, XMP is already running the memory chips out of the specs, so i'm not sure if it's smart to bump the voltage even higher

median marsh
mighty cosmos
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Had something similar when I upgraded to the 5950x, after enabling xmp it was doing something similar, in my case it would be just in a constant boot loop until the BIOS auto resets itself
Ended up manually setting the SOC voltage to 0.95 which is lower than what it was by defaults but it works
My theory is that the auto option was setting the voltage too low when booting up

median marsh
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that's the XMP spirit 😄

tender yarrow
lucid dawn
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General question: do you know if the Black Friday / Cyber Monday period is good for buying hardware? I was thinking about doing my full build this month with the discounts, but I saw a graph of the price of some component rising, and now I fear it might be all fake discounts

teal mulch
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13900k or dual Epyc 7551 for unreal workstation?

lucid dawn
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Okay thanks
So there's very few real discounts even there. Should have tried earlier
I know the Christmas period is the worst, but I heard the best deals were during Black Friday. Apparently not there either, though less bad

frank glade
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Just buy stuff as you need it...black friday is a shill and the "good" discounts are impossible to obtain, low stock, first serve, etc

lucid dawn
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It's not much about discounts actually, just things not being overpriced during a certain period of time just to drop again but being more expensive

hoary urchin
#

So I've been working on a 16-core i9 for the past 6 months. Now installing UE from custom engine build on an older 8-core i9, and...

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...

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... one of these days it might compile ...

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🤣

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I'm so spoiled. The 8-core even has 64 GB of RAM, but that doesn't matter, because all cores 100% pegged for a long time...

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Hopefully it's usable after it finishes compiling. 🙂

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New 24-core i9 looking pretty good right about now.

pure trail
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Hey guys I currently do UE4 game dev full time and wanted to take my work with my on the road this winter. I was thinking I'll probably setup my home PCs with Remote Desktop and get a laptop to RDP into them with. I think screen size is the most important thing for me to be productive so I was deciding between:

 a) A cheap laptop with a small screen AND a large portable monitor

 b) A cheap laptop with a large screen

 c) An expensive laptop with a large screen (can do work locally and not have to RDP if internet is questionable)

I'm leaning between B/C but curious to hear what anyone here has found works best for them when traveling?

north arch
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A and B depend on good home and travel internet, and if you lose power at the house and the pc doesn't restart. having a way to remotely turn it on (like calling your spouse or the local burgular)

wet ore
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yes the PC doesn't restart but most modern motherboards have a "wake from LAN" setting you can trigger even when your PC is off. would need more research to determine what "wake" actually means, if it turns on from complete power loss or only when the system is sleeping/hibernating

median marsh
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both

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but then, you need some device on your local network to send the signal to begin with

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some routers support it, but not the majority (and it obviously only works for connection with cable, not wifi)

vagrant anvil
karmic trout
lucid dawn
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I'm on one, the first offer for a brand new 3080 Ti in my country I see that's 3 digits
What NVIDIA propose themselves don't seem less expensive unfortunately, or perhaps it's me who ask to much

slim flax
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I'm really confused by the chipset lineup of the Zen4 cpus right now 😄 I don't understand why a X670E mainboard is sometimes worse than a B650E mainboard

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thought B was a more mid-tiered chipset

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many of the X670-E mainboards I can find have 1x PCIe 5.0 x16 slot, while some of the B650-E mainboards I find have two of them

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I'm currently comparing the ASUS ROG Strix B650E-E Gaming WIFI and the ASUS TUF Gaming X670E-Plus for example

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maybe I'm not really comparing apples with apples here though

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just trying to figure out the best am5 mainboard for max 400€ for my new build

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ah didn't know that, what would you suggest as a future-proof am5 board for my 7950x and a 3090?

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hm then it might be better to get a way cheaper asrock board

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they seem to have kinda the same features (they have less power stages, idk what that means though)

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ah I don't think I'll OC the 7950x that much as it seems to be pretty powerful already anyways

fallen oasis
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And it already reaches tmax if you just cough in its general direction.

wind egret
devout pendant
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is it feasible to use a PCI-express to USB converter to plug a GPU to a laptop to use it for number crunching?

north arch
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if you manage to find a laptop with a pci express card slot, that's an x1 pcie slot, if an old version...

slim flax
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I still have a feeling the Strix B650E might be a pretty good board, I might be wrong ha

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But as you and I both mentioned above, the TUF X670E seems worse than the Strix B650E-E, and X670E's that might be better cost more aswell, unless you go ASRock, where I haven't heard anything good nor anything bad

median marsh
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i had a sockel 370 board from them, which literary was bend like crazy after mounting the cpu heatsink...

balmy ocean
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@wraith silo I think the complete opposite and anyone I have gamed with over my like 15 years of gaming has kind of agreed.

wraith silo
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COD works the same on my HDD, just like 10 sec more loading times

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not sure how you put your windows on a HDD tho, thats a HUGE bottleneck

balmy ocean
wraith silo
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not possible, not evern the fastest ssd takes 1 sec

balmy ocean
wraith silo
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my gen 4 nvme takes 35 seconds

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true, but I dont get how he loads in 10 sec on a HDD

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thats not possible

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takes atleast 2 min

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I do too

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but not windows

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I 100% agree

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but even a brand new harddrive isnt that fast

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anyways

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I got a different hardware issue I am trying to solve, which is figuring out what is bottlenecking my system, I got a i9 12900k and a RTX 3080 10GB, 32 GB of ram with 3200 mhz, and for some reason, my gpu in most titles wont go above 50% utilization lol, only games that is gpu dependent, like cod, uses 100% but games like valorant, it doesn't, not even my cpu goes above 50%, but I have 360hz screen, and am not hitting it lol, it also affects my Unreal Projects

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I got a triple AIO cooler, and 3 extra fans, so it cant be cooling the problem

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any ideas @iron zenith ?

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1080p vsync off

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but my cpu never gets even anywhere close to 100% in val, which is SUPER cpu intensive

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what if I want it too, I am not reaching my desired frame rate

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I guess I need to overclock then

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it is

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could be be because of ram speed? is 3200 enough

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or is it time to upgrade?

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I hate having paid so much, and not getting what I thought I was getting lol

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I get like 320 to 340 average, depending on the map, thats not the problem, it's the drops to 200 thats anoying

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especially in a competitive setting, where every lag spike could mean winning or losing

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maybe it just needs a bit of overclocking

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yes

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not from the server side, but getting ride of those frame drops are quite important, it's those stutters thats are the worst, it's better to have a constant 200 fps, then have it keep dropping

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but would rather fix the problem, then limiting my hardware

balmy ocean
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I got a networking question can I ask it in here? It doesn't have to do with UE4 or 5 its just a overall networking question..

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Or do I ask it somewhere else?

devout pendant
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I'm using a cheap keyboard USB in my laptop. I can no longer doge in unreal with it. Double tapping WASD fails to dodge.

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is this hardware or some setting in windows?

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all turned off in windows

north arch
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wonder if they're using crappy switches and have overzealous hardware or software debounce to compensate

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open notepad and double tap

fallen oasis
devout pendant
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double tap in notepad works fine

north arch
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so it's how the game's processing it

obtuse rapids
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What type of monitor setup does everyone find useful for UE dev? I've got an 34 ultrawide that works "okay" but I'm probably not using it right - never did establish a workflow I felt was very good in terms of window/monitor layouts

median marsh
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for me it's 27" as main, 24" on top and 24" in pivot on the left

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but i usually only use two at the same time, top one mostly to watch BP execution flow while running the game, and the rotated one for viewport when working on characters

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yea, the vertical screen is also kinda good to have docs opened while coding

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which reminds me of my neck pain, it's probably about time to move the vertical screen to the other side 😄

mighty cosmos
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Main 27" and a vertical 24.5"

frank glade
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one 42" and 2x25"...I can never go back to something smaller now

minor veldt
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One 30" 16:10 and one 32" 4K, side by side. I like the difference in DPI, easy to switch between large and small pixels by moving windows between the monitors.

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Interested in the upcoming 8K ultrawides, but the ones I've seen so far are too low.

median marsh
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an 8k ultrawide would be great for sequencer timelines 😄

devout pendant
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my laptop's baterry is swollen. Should I buy a new battery or pay to have the LI-ION cell replaced?

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replacing the cell while keeping the battery's circuits a nd carcass costs ~10$ lless

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in my case I'm paying for the service

agile lodge
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the Intel Nuc Raptor Canyon come to market on Q4

obtuse rapids
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For those with multiple monitors, what are you using to organize your window layout - any software with docking macros - things like display fusion are so old I'm not sure what to use

agile lodge
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD8SaSwosKk

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tender yarrow
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Just installed a new rx 6600xt, and it's working fine in games and in the editor, however the whole computer starts lagging just when I start creating any nodes in BP, and if I stop (i.e. close the nodes selection menu) it doesn't lag anymore. After some time trying using BPs, the editor just freezes. Any thoughts?

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Everything was working fine with the old GPU, and it's the only thing that I changed since last time I used BPs

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Where should I write it?

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At the first glance it did work, but after I tried to place a node, it just froze. It didn't lag though.

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Btw after closing the editor by pressing the Stop button in the IDE makes the whole computer to freeze as well.

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Apparently it happens if I try to close it any way.

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Oh, yeah, I also changed the drivers to be able a use a rendering related thing in Blender, so I went from the standard edition to the pro one.

Edit: Installing the recommended Adrenalin version fixed the bug.

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How should I try to fix the issue then?

agile lodge
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intel showed on twitchcon stream the Intel nuc on inside pc

obtuse rapids
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Let's say I'm using 64 gig of Ram with a speed of 3000mhz - someone sneaks in my computer at night and replaces it with 4800 - would I notice the difference anywhere?

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Doing things like opening large maps, compiling complex shaders/iterating master material changes, etc

mighty cosmos
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You probably won't notice anything, with ram there is usually a sweet spot at around 3200Mhz for ddr4, past that it's usually just diminishing results

mighty cosmos
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Yeah I have no clue what's the case with ddr5

fallen oasis
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Colleague just got a 7950X with 5600mhz ram. My 3200mhz cried.

wind egret
median marsh
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DDR4 3200MHz is 25.6 GB/s

#

you most likely hit another bottleneck then (if memory really was one before) 😛

wet ore
wet ore
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I really wish for that, and also the ability to change the identity of a monitor (swap 2 and 3). But unfortunately I suffer from a rare win 11 perf issue caused by my hardware/driver combination or something, so I have to avoid

serene dome
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There's PowerToys by Microsoft. You can set custom arrangements in FancyZones with it.

cold summit
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I'm having some issues with my new cpu cooler haha

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my rear case fan is too thick to fit the nh-d15 in here

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should I remove the case fan and install it like this?

median marsh
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it doesn't fit like this? or is this already 180° rotated? if so, why not just mount like this?

mighty cosmos
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Looks like there is supposed to be a fan here 🤔

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serene dome
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It already has a 2nd fan on the left side

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Looks to be configured in push/push, so I don't see the issue

mighty cosmos
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Ah yeah you are right, thought it was a 3 fan monstrosity

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serene dome
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If they insist on having a pull/pull configuration and want a fan on the rear, there should be slim fan designs that they might be able to squeeze in

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That's the rear fan case

mighty cosmos
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I meant attached to the cooler lol

serene dome
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It does

mighty cosmos
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yeah it does, I thought it was supposed to have 3

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but I was wrong

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looks fine 🤷‍♂️

median marsh
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they are push/push, you can see the arrow on the middle fan

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it should be mounted rotated like this

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so that it pushs to the case rear fan

serene dome
#

Maybe the reason for pull/pull configuration is for memory clearance (using all 4 slots, maybe)?

median marsh
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at least for my cooler which is kinda the same, you can move the "front" fan up a bit if you need more space

mighty cosmos
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Also do I hate these clips 🥹
I cut my hands and fingers so many times on the cooler and the case in my old old PC

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I hate them with passion

serene dome
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I'm not saying it's currently in pull/pull. I already said it's in push/push. I'm suggesting that they may want pull/pull for memory clearance, possibly

median marsh
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i hate the pci express securing thing, but probably everyone does

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so @cold summit, what's the problem here?

cold summit
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sorry for not clarifying

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the case fan is too thick for the cpu cooler to fit properly

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the picture is showing the offending pieces of technology

median marsh
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mount it outside 😄 (the case fan)

cold summit
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I ended up removing the case fan for now, and I'm getting temps around 60C

wind egret
median marsh
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you can probably get it through one of the PCI slot covers, and then mount the cover

cold summit
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I might end up moving the intake fan for the cpu cooler to where the case fan was, but for now I'm happy enough that it fits in the case mostly

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also If I wanted to, I could probably feed the case fan cable through one of the exhaust holes for the mobo io

serene dome
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I'm not sure if you read what was above but did you consider if a slim design for the case fan would work?

median marsh
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i would keep it as it is if the temps are fine

cold summit
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my pc is so janky haha

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itx mobo, NH d15, atx case

sullen patio
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Hello everyone...

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I'm building a new PC for Unreal Engine but not for game developing but for all it's other bells and whistles....

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There are some questions I have concerning it's render engine and the hardware it requires.....

fallen oasis
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Any graphics card in the last few years will support UE just fine.

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Depending on what you want to do, you may need a beefier card.

sullen patio
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(hopefully)

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I'm getting a 3060Ti or 3070 if lucky

fallen oasis
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Do you want to play UE games?

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I mean, what would you use UE for other than some sort of project? (not necessarily a game)

sullen patio
fallen oasis
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So you're making a scene of some kind?

sullen patio
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I wanna do short sequences with

fallen oasis
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Ah ha. Movies!

sullen patio
fallen oasis
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Short ones. 🙂

sullen patio
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And I don't know if it needs more CPU or GPU power in it's sequencer....

fallen oasis
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You'll want a lot of vram, so the 3060ti with 12gb over the 3070 with 8gb is probably a better bet.

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(there's no 12gb 3070)

sullen patio
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There's no 3060ti with 12gigs of vram that's 3060

fallen oasis
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Ah.

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Well, go for the 3060 then?

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The difference in gpu speed is minimal (really), the difference in vram is huge.

sullen patio
fallen oasis
#

And any processor with good single thread performance and a lot of cores will do.

sullen patio
fallen oasis
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5950X is a good example, the new 7800 is fantastic for the price.

sullen patio
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If I save a bit from GPU I can go for a better CPU

fallen oasis
#

Or was it 7900? The one down from the 7950X

sullen patio
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I was going for I5 12400 at first

fallen oasis
#

Don't get 11th gen intel cpus, or @iron zenith will shout at you.

sullen patio
#

I5 12600K has 10 cores?

sullen patio
fallen oasis
#

Not bad? I don't know the differences in cpu speed offhand. I've been in the AMD camp for a while now. 😦

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There's a comparison somewhere...

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https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Unreal-Engine-12th-Gen-Intel-Core-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-2249/

Puget Systems
Unreal Engine: 12th Gen Intel Core vs AMD Ryzen 5000 Series

Intel has launched their new 12th Gen Intel Core desktop processors (code-named "Alder Lake") featuring support for DDR5, PCIe 5.0, as well as a completely new hybrid architecture using a mix of Performance and Efficient-cores. This is a lot of new technologies in one product, so we are excited to see how much of a performance boost the 12th Gen...

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5900X seems to be pretty great. It should be coming down in price now the 7xxx ones are out.

sullen patio
#

I'm on a budget too so can't really go for a Ryzen 9 or I9

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I ain't creating something with 8K textures and ray traced reflections...

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I think I5 12600K is nice spot for me

fallen oasis
#

Fair dos!

sullen patio
#

But stilllll....

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Does it use CPU tho 😐

fallen oasis
#

UE? Yup. It's very... bursty in that regard.

sullen patio
#

I know I'm stupid and you don't have to reply to me every time

fallen oasis
#

Compiling shaders will take ages on a bad cpu. Or creating precompiled lighting.

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But most of them time? Runs fairly well on anything. It's those key moments you need the oomph.

sullen patio
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William Faucher?

fallen oasis
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No. Just a random English expression.

sullen patio
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LOL 😂

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What do you do in UE?

fallen oasis
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I work on a virtual production plugin for the broadcast sector.

sullen patio
fallen oasis
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It is!

mighty cosmos
fallen oasis
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Heh.

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Sadly random guys wearing eyeliner and tophats do not speed up your lighting render.

mighty cosmos
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eh what a shame, I was just planning on dressing up like that 🥹

fallen oasis
#

You mean you don't already ?!

mighty cosmos
devout pendant
#

Help me with this build for UE5 C++ compile, Shaders + Gaming. Is there anything else i need to add or change?

-GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS PRO DDR5 MOTHERBOARD 
-ASUS ROG STRIX GEFORCE RTX 3080 TI GAMING OC
-Corsair 64 GB (32X2) DDR5 5200Mhz Vengeance CL40
-SAMSUNG 980 500GB NVME SSD
-SAMSUNG 980 2TB NVME SSD
-LIAN LI GALAHAD 360 ARGB AIO COOLER 
-EVGA SuperNova 850 GT 850 Watt 80 Plus Gold
-COOLERMASTER TD500 MESH```
median marsh
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yea, don't get the 500GB SSD

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waste of money

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rather get a 2nd 1TB/2TB one later

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beside of that it looks like a nice build 🙂

magic parrot
#

Any idea what cooler i can use to handle this one?

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Its amd epyc, my friend bought it for ue4 and he just cant find any cooler that has that high tdp

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but i think that coolers which can handle threadripper will be able to handle epyc cooling

obtuse rapids
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I know it's not standard, because most people are gamers and not unreal developers - but I would kill for some shader compilation benchmark system -

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"Hi I'm Blake and we6 testing out this 13 gen Intel with our standard Megascan Master Material Compile, let's see how well it does."

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Oh wow

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That's exactly what I was looking for thank you

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Oh yeah I know unreals like a lot of programs that Don't take advantage of multithreading

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@iron zenith is that essentially what the compilation booster plugin does Just automatically so you don't have to do it yourself?

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Yeah I got it the other day - there's a checkbox that will automatically add a new compiler worker if The system can handle it

vagrant anvil
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Aren't they building the compile on demand into 5.1?

vagrant anvil
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for the testing linked above, I use CLI to rebuild the DDC, which loads the CPU up to 100% without the overhead of the editor.

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it is actually kind of a handy trick because you can create a bat file and have it run when convenient, then when you do sit down to work, everything opens quickly.

wind fiber
#

Samsung 870 QVO 1TB 2,5"

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is this a good ssd?

north arch
#

'tis the season for outside computing! Sub-freezing temperatures and free watercooling!

wind fiber
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I know nothing about harddrives

mighty cosmos
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Except for compiling especially the engine on a high core CPUs

lucid dawn
#

Does anyone know if Zotac, Inno 3D and Gainward are good hardware brands? Found some cards that are under those, but I wonder if they're any good (pretty afraid of buying crap that breaks after some months)
I first read on Trustpilot terrible ratings for Zotac, then a TechPowerUp article that says Gainward is okay, to later find on LinusTechTips forum comments that say every of those brands are equal and just as good as the more mainstream brands (MSI, Gigabyte…) but I don't know if that's any true

wind fiber
#

big thanks

north arch
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Why no love for the spinning platters? Do you prefer rewritable DVDs?

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or are tapes your style?

obtuse rapids
#

Traditionally I've always ignored ram speed as being a priority but I'm wondering now as I'm looking to build a more development focused machine, if I would see a difference in things like opening the editor, large assets, if I increased put faster RAM in the next build, instead of something cheap like 2667

north arch
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I was joking, but your insight is appreciated

vagrant anvil
wind egret
#

You can overclock DDR4 to low DDR5 speeds (4400-4800ish) but the Samsung B-die chips that are always credited to this cost even more than DDR5.

obtuse rapids
vagrant anvil
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Yep. TR Pro is 8 channel.

obtuse rapids
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I just want the editor to open as fast as possible for when I crash it ...

wind egret
#

I wonder how that works with only 8 sticks. Each stick is split up between two channels?

median marsh
#

last time i've checked HDD space was cheaper than DVD/BR, the only benefit might be long term storage, but then mdisc might be the better choice

wind egret
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That's pretty long-term.

median marsh
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yea, but normal BR is like 5-50 years which is a weird timespan since you have to trust the company which made them...

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and then they are kinda expensive imho

wind egret
#

I can confirm 95% of my perfectly normal CDs have lasted 20+ years

median marsh
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but then... how much data is so important that you still need it in 20 years 😄

wind egret
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When I say 95%, I mean that silverfish have eaten less than 5% out of each of them

median marsh
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yea CD seems to be one of the most stable optical disc formats

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unless you lay them in the sun or store them on your oven 😄

wind egret
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Or do anything to let them get scratched (or nibbled) on the label side.

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Wonder how M-disc handles that. Embeds the data layer in the middle?

median marsh
#

well, they probably still have the same rules in terms of optimal storage

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guess they just use better materials, which may not decay on their own that quick

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and maybe some additional software stuff for error correction

chilly valley
#

I have 16GB of ram , how much more GB should i add in order to work on Unreal engine smoothly ? which company would be recommended, and last question , i have never added GB by myself will it be properly doing that by myself ?

obtuse rapids
chilly valley
obtuse rapids
chilly valley
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I did take it out, still not working

obtuse rapids
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also, if you have 4 slots, you want to alternate them,

chilly valley
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I have 4 slots, what do u mean by alternate ?

obtuse rapids
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not a big deal right now, YouTube single channel /dual chanel ram

chilly valley
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I tried multiple cobination with only the original one , still no change

obtuse rapids
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something else is the problem if you put the ram back in - either it's not seated

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does the power come on at least

chilly valley
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The power come

obtuse rapids
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and after that, can you get to the bios, hold down DEL key as it boots

chilly valley
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Monitor mouse and jeyboard no