and in practice its a huge waste of electricity
#hardware
wind egret
Just to prevent the network falling into a mess of confusion.
spark vortex
tho give me a crypto thats enviromentally friendly and its network is powered by a wearable bracelet that generates electricity for its own needs or some shit, thatd be c r a y
median marsh
that would most likely be reverse engineered, hacked, and then mass produced on powerful hardware 😄
spark vortex
ikr
we don't have that kind of* micro scale electronics
and the energy harvesting we do have from wearables is enough to power some devices, but they are usually low power or simple in design
i should've been more specific with that first sentence, ninja edit!
median marsh
well, the main problem is that nothing backs that system
real cash is backed by big companies, some gold, and pretty much everything around you
median marsh
the government is a "state"
spark vortex
eh the govt just has a monopoly on violence
but they are entrusted to not fuck around and find out
to varying degrees of success
median marsh
some more, some less 😄
spark vortex
fr
still waiting for lockheed martins Skunk Works to produce a miniaturized fusion reactor
probably not gonna happen soon tho, seems like things are s l o w on that front
or DARPA i guess
median marsh
first of all i want waste reactors
spark vortex
what sort of waste?
median marsh
to get rid of all that atomic waste that still can be harvested for energy
wind egret
they can't contain the plasma efficiently, so I imagine any reactors for the next 50 years (barring some new physics discoveries) are going to be huge
spark vortex
mmm makes sense
the tokamak is the best shot at it so far eh
or however you spell it
wind egret
on the other hand, huge reactors may never be viable and we need to discover new physics (or spam solar panels)
wind egret
I'd love to see a 'solar' panel designed to capture radiation direct to electricity. Wrap all that nuclear waste up into little forever batteries.
median marsh
modern atomic reactors are pretty much failsafe tho?!
theres no meltdown chance
the shit from 50 years ago that's still running is a problem tho 😄
spark vortex
well most were built last century
wind egret
If you make something idiotproof, we'll invent a bigger idiot.
spark vortex
ye
ZNPP in ukraine (the NPP biggest in europe) was shelled a couple times recently, and the ruskies control it lmao -_-
wind egret
Someone is going to meltdown a reactor that physically cannot meltdown, because they were overclocking it or added aftermarket spoilers.
spark vortex
Its also soviet era
cuz meltdown / super critical is just the reactor going from controlled reaction to uncontrolled reaction
tho honestly nuclear stuff is kinda complicated, part of me is doubting that my next argument here
but I kinda think that itd be harder to control the reaction than not
wind egret
A meltdown is when it melts. The reaction isn't even uncontrolled, it's enough to be a fire hazard with the one thing you absolutely don't want to be on fire.
spark vortex
the fuel or control rods specifically tho?
or any part of the core
google is telling me the IAEA or the UN doesn't official define it, but it seems to be the 2nd more general definition
makes sense ok
tho I guess damage to any part of the core could compromise safety of the operation of the reactor so hmm.
wild
wind egret
If Fukushima proved one thing to me, it's that we need more steampunk robots.
spark vortex
We used to produce radio isotopes in Canada at chalk river but they shut it down
for medicinal purposes
(mostly imaging iirc?)
wind egret
maybe not profitable enough
spark vortex
ye and there were incidents over the years, questions about safety
still a bit of a loss it feels like
Canada still has some cool science stuff tho
we have so many lakes that there are some isolated ecosystems that they study pollutants with by contaiminating them and studying the marine life
Tho Harper (The last long reigning PM prior to Trudeau 2.0) gutted a scientific library on climate and eco data -_-
literally threw out piles of textbooks, like rented big disposal bins and filled em up
with scientists raiding the piles to save what they could, if they could
so 🤷
median marsh
that sounds like someone describing the lost tv series
spark vortex
xD
wind egret
Imagine that as a game mechanic. "On this difficulty setting, there is a random chance the final boss will start deleting your backup saves."
spark vortex
its hard to find data since it isn't well documented
but in his tenure he closed 16 research libraries -_- (according to this article: https://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/09/29/news/exclusive-inside-harper-governments-trashing-research-library)
dude i think in the OG Metal Gear Solid 2 that when you fought Psycho Mantis you had to plug your controller into slot 2 to beat him or some bull SHIT
like HIDEO WHY
kinda cool but also F
wind egret
First metal gear solid. It was a metagame concept because he was psychic.
spark vortex
ah okay mb
wind egret
PC version didn't have that. Apparently he wasn't psychic enough for keyboards.
spark vortex
I only know about it as a result of ego raptors videos
yeah i remember the psychic thing, its a really cool thing lore wise, and a cool use of limited tech
wind egret
There was also a code you needed in-game that was only found in a screenshot on the back of the CD case.
spark vortex
bruh
snake eater had some things sooooorta like that
not quite as far reaching tho
MGS3 I mean
some of those boss fights tho >:U
I wish there were 1) more stealth games and 2) more stealth games with multiplayer
exhibit A:
assassins creed: brotherhood
the multiplayer in that was so fkn lit
karmic trout
Where u guys order PC parts?
mighty patrol
Variety of places based on the price at the time, I use pcpartpicker to find the best prices usually myself. Compares multiple vendors prices to try to find you the cheapest.
karmic trout
I'm from Kyrgyzstan. AliExpress is in our neighbor country
Some people here say it's not safe to buy there
mighty patrol
I havn't heard the best reputation from them myself either. Its hit/miss.
karmic trout
What is the other trustworthy online stores to buy from?
mighty patrol
Memory express is very good even has a price match option for products
Idk if it ships internationally
Maybe just a canadian store. You may benefit from looking at pcpartpicker.com it may give you local options. For more vendors.
spark vortex
Newegg is not bad., ordered a fair bit of components thru them
Reddit is telling me that for the EU, mindfactory.de is decent. But the sites language is in german lol
I also have never ordered from them and can't indepedently verify if they are good or not
median marsh
i've ordered a bunch of times at mindfactory, they are trustworthy in my experience
north arch
their marketplace was the nail in the coffin for me
spark vortex
Ye I try to only buy directly from Newegg (and not the listed 3rd party sellers) and even then I'm weary lol
I try to price match somewhere else if possible, Amazon even lol
idle elk
any 1tb nvme ssd recommendations?
doesnt have to be top of the line just a reliable one
lime sandal
can anyone suggest a good graphics card for UE ?
and this is my board ASUS Prime B450M-A
opal orchid
my 3050 4gb keeps running out of vram is that normal?
also should i get a new laptop or desktop, prebuilt/laptop suggestions are welcomed :)
opal orchid
sadge :(
idle elk
alright thank u very much
opal orchid
buying parts local is a no go for me so i'd have to ship parts, but i've been told i should look for a laptop
anything i should look for other than massive vram
opal orchid
T_T
spark vortex
Prays to the Machine Gods in 6gb VRAM
wheat mirage
Anyone here know anything about GPU scams?
And no I'm not trying to run one just making sure I'm not walking into one
fallen oasis
GPU scams?
wheat mirage
I found a very good price on amazon for gpus. They are through a third party seller so I'm slightly iffy about how much I trust it. I talked to amazon and they said they were returnable but it doesn't look entirely right
spark vortex
I've found Western Digital to be pretty solid
tho I have a Samsung SN850 to install still so plz pray for me
unique cedar
Anyone else on 12th gen and finding ue slow to load?
zenith jungle
whats worth it for ue5?! going 16core and 32gb ram or going idk 8core and 64gb ram
for dev last gen games:D
fallen oasis
Where is that setting?
spark vortex
my windows 10 has power and sleep settings that are v similar
windows 10 home 21h2
ah I see
still, look at that description (top right), its the same battery non-sense
noice
weird...
dim pewter
Can confirm, just upgraded to 12th gen on my testing machine last week, and win11 improved the scheduler, and UE build process.
The Ryzen 5950x is still much much much faster for building, but this is better than the 11th gen I had before
frail pagoda
whats worth it for ue5?! going 16core and 32gb ram or going idk 8core and 64gb ...
try n see, i might prefer a better processor (higher cores), a big ram is only used when you're really in medium - large project
if you're getting paid so, better to save it to buy a processor
if an extra ram is needed then you can buy one after a while
and uh, buy ryzen 9 5950x instead i9 12900k
they're much better at production
or wait for a month and buy ryzen 9 7900x or ryzen 9 7950x
zenith jungle
I guess i should wait for the am5 release in both cases
fallen oasis
My friend bought a PC today.
It has a 5700U and an integrated graphics card.
I almost cried.
zenith jungle
thats i guess the worst shit you can buy
lol
those fooked up display systems
but cool for office people:D
even the worst dell tower is better then this:D
there you can at least rip the crap out:D
ok
they are as bad
i agree on the 2nd thought
im tempted to go 5000 series still
with ddr4
prices are like 1/4 of the upcoming release
but i should really wait for the launch then prices will drop again
fallen oasis
but cool for office people:D
He just wants a PC to draw and make games in Game Maker Pro or whatever shitty thing he uses.
zenith jungle
its more the design that is shit
if the monitor goes broken you are fooked
or the other way around
and thermals ...
fallen oasis
Can you not plug the monitor into something else?
Or is it literally some integrated monitor hsit?
It does have an hdmi port, so maybe..
fallen oasis
He isn't really the technical type.
zenith jungle
its not like you have to be a technical guide to solve the baby puzzle.D
stupid baby
damn bad gif for the sample.D
opal orchid
amm this might be a dumb question but does it make a difference if i have an amd gpu instead nvidia?
laura are you human? xD
i swear you know everything :d
even with the issues should i still go for a 30 series gpu then
spare egret
Hello Everyone I have a question and really appreciate if you could enlighten me:
my PC is a threadripper with a RTX a6000. Should i have to enable something in UE or PC for this graphics card? I am asking because:
i have a scene downloaded from marketplace. If i tweak scalability to cinematic i get 30 fps, if i tweak it to medium i get 29 fps. I believe this is not right. I think that with this rig i should be getting way more AND changing scalability should increase or decrease FPS a lot[12:52 AM]another thing is: If i switch to path tracing one static angle takes like 30 minutes to render
rough grotto
Is this the issue?
Still reading on what multiplane overlay actually means.
AMD/Intel have a version that already works?
Still reading.
spark vortex
bit of a tangent but thought some of ya'll might wanna see this:
dim pewter
Had me panicking there a little, just recently built a machine with an ROG Z690, thankfully not that specific model though!
delicate crystal
Dont' know if this would be the right channel, but will give it a go. I'm rocking a 1070 TI with a AMD Ryzen threadripper 1920. Debating if it would be worth it to upgrade if I started doing some work wihtin unreal and friends, or if it would be better off to wait until next year.
spark vortex
wait till black friday atleast (nov 25th) cuz the cards should be cheap af
unless crypto recovers or something but I doubt it will
if you really can't wait, I think EVGA has the best deals rn
atleast for NVIDIA cards
opal orchid
can someone help me with this laptop?
how does it have a 3080 with 12gb of vram
i swear there was only 8gb version for laptops
fallen oasis
I was looking it up, but the aorus webpage is so slow I couldn't be bothered.
opal orchid
sadge
wind egret
nvidia seems to think you can get a 16 GB 3080 laptop, but no 12 GB.
boreal bone
The entire site seems fishy tbh
median marsh
from what i know they have a marketplace where other companies can sell (the specific offer looks like one of them)
and some people made bad experience with those 3rd party sellers
opal orchid
i actually emailed the seller to verify the specs for me lol
steep cairn
fixed my stability issue, i had nvidia drivers laying around after upgrading my 970gtx to a 6900xt, nvida + amd = 😦
fallen oasis
fixed my stability issue, i had nvidia drivers laying around after upgrading my ...
I have an amd card and an nvidia card and both sets of drivers installed with no issues.
opal orchid
i prob not gonna get it anway but i do think is just one of aorus configurations
it prob refurbished and just saying is new
dire notch
Just got a new 2 sticks of 16gb ram to replace my 2 sticks of 8 gb ram. gonna swap em out, but was wondering if anyone knows if I can keep the 2 8's in there as long as the 8s are ppaired and the 16s are paired. or if I should just do the 2 16gb sticks
awesome. thanks =)
dire notch
Alright new sticks in, as well as another m.2 mvme.
Don't know really anything about XMP.
It's a good meme that the resting state of my computer with the amount of chrome tabs I usually have open has a resting state of 13.3GB usage, considering I was running 16GB total before.
now it's a measly 28% of my total
I also saw something in my motherboard user manuals memory section that the sticks in the paired slots or all 4 if they're all the same model will run in a dual channel mode or something that doubles the bandwidth. Before I had 1 stick in A and 1 stick in B. now i have 16GB in A1 and A2 and 8GB in B1 and B2. I assume they would just do the dual channel thing automatically but not sure. and I assume that means it uses the whole 32GB or 16GB--depending on pair--memory as one unit as opposed to two seperate containers of memory
Also all 4 sticks say they have a memory speed of 3200 MHz on the store pages:
8s: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D1XCKWW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
16s: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GTG2T7L?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
yet task manager says 2133 MHz.
which is curious
dire notch
googled a little an understand now that XMP are just profiles for overclocking the memory to what the speed says it should be able to do. that memory is limited usually to 2133 MHz depending on hardware and assuming your CPU and MOBO are compatible with higher speeds you can use the default XMP or build your own to overclock the memory to what it can actually do.
I'm not super versed in it all, and I'm not sure how much the increase in speed is really relevant to me at the current time, so decided to stick with the default for now.
median marsh
their spd speed is 2133MHz
you need to activate XMP in your bios to get more out of it
they all kind of went the scammer route where they advert with the overclocked speeds rather than what the memory chips have been rated with officially 😄
wind egret
The chip can genuinely reach the speed, so it's not necessarily a scam. They don't guarantee its compatibility with every hardware configuration, which sounds reasonable. YET...
The real scam is the qualified vendor list. "Oh yes, we're happy to honor our motherboard's performance guarantees, as long as you're using the limited run of slow, first-gen memory modules that are no longer for sale."
median marsh
at least asus updates their QVL on their website
and sure they can reach that speed, but they are run out of specs, which could reduce lifetime due to the higher voltage, and increase the rate of memory errors (which usually goes unnoticed to the user)
median marsh
could also be a weak PSU 😛
There are only a handful of semiconductor manufacturers with the capability to produce DRAM chips, and they are Micron (Crucial), Samsung, and Hynix. funny enough those companies don't do that scam game
it's usually just 3rd party assemblers
but, stupid me, also bought some g.skill crap... (so i run them at 3200 instead of 3600MHz, i think they are originally 2666MHz ddr chips)
serene dome
I also saw something in my motherboard user manuals memory section that the stic...
Dual-channel (interleaved) mode isn't automatic as it depends on how you configure your memory modules. Since you're using mismatched module sets, you won't ever be set to Dual-channel mode but either in:
-At worst: Single-channel (Asymmetric) mode
-At best: (Intel Trademark) "Flex(ible)" mode, which is a mix of Dual-channel and Single-channel modes where it'll try to operate as much memory as Dual-channel mode as it is able to.
As for your current setup, you are likely running in Single-channel mode by the way you've described it. The best way to configure your memory modules is to use a configuration that has equal capacities for each channel, which is 24 GB in your case (16/8/16/8:A1/A2/B1/B2). Memory slot configuration is assumed by the way you've described it... If it doesn't match then consult with your motherboard's user manual.
median marsh
wasnt the intel stuff able to run a 16gb and 8gb stick in dual channel as of using 8gb as dual channel and the higher 8gb range of the 16gb stick as single channel?!
i don't see why you wouldn't be able to run 2 different sizes in their own dual channel setup, e.g. 2x8gb and 2x16gb as pairs
serene dome
wasnt the intel stuff able to run a 16gb and 8gb stick in dual channel as of usi...
Yes, Flex mode allows that but it's better to have equal capacities (if you can) for each channel. In Dune's case, they are able to do that so they should set it up that way
median marsh
he has it like that if im not wrong, but the naming convention might be different depending on the mainboard brand
yea asus has it different for example
serene dome
Based on how they've described it and how I understood it, it's 16/16/8/8:A1/A2/B1/B2
median marsh
in that case, the 16gb sticks should be in A1 & B1, and the 8gb sticks in A2 & B2
serene dome
and that's what I've said?
median marsh
yes
it may depend on the mainboard how the slots are named, so he should check his manual
but wait
serene dome
That's what I've said too...
median marsh
why does asus recommend to put both 16gb sticks in the B bank?
serene dome
?
spark vortex
well look at the previous config
its in A-B pairs
so why are both 16 gigs in a B-B pair according to the asus guide?
median marsh
^^
serene dome
Where in an Asus document is that image from? For all we know, someone just made it...
spark vortex
ah yeah eh
the red numbers on the top right
they kinda look slapped on
like not part of the document
dire notch
this is the mobo I'm running:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07K8RJZRG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
and yeah I'm currently in:
16/16/8/8:A1/A2/B1/B2
spark vortex
interesting
median marsh
that maybe because of mainboard limitations and the mentioned intel flex memory thing
8gb in A would tell the memory controller to run dual channel in 8gb mode
so that board would run 2 pairs of 8gb in dual channel (including the lower 8gb of the 16gb modules)
and 2x 8gb of the 16gb sticks as single channel
dire notch
sounds pretty smart
serene dome
Personally, since it's Intel that created the standard, I'd trust Intel more than any other 3rd party
dire notch
that's if you're running flex?
serene dome
Yes
dire notch
and is that something I need to turn on
median marsh
Personally, since it's Intel that created the standard, I'd trust Intel more tha...
i would rather trust the one that assembled the mainboard and placed the labels on it 😄
The four DDR4 memory sockets are divided into two channels and each channel has two memory sockets as
following:
Channel A: DDR4_A1, DDR4_A2
Channel B: DDR4_B1, DDR4_B2
but it's an old memory standard... you can't just stray off something like that
median marsh
but their manual isn't really giving any hints of what to do with mixed sizes
i would put the 8gb sticks in channel 1, and the 16gb sticks in channel 2 then
serene dome
then where did those red numbers come from?
median marsh
that was asus
serene dome
but their manual isn't really giving any hints of what to do with mixed sizes
but you're saying otherwise because those red numbers do say how to do with mixed sizes?
median marsh
but that's from asus and who knows what chipset
you cant just apply that to all mainboards
i just posted it as example
serene dome
so you're going to trust some random image that can't be tied to anything?
median marsh
well, if you can't find any other recommendations, it's something to start with
serene dome
then why not start with the official Intel documentation about dealing with different memory capacities, which is "Flex" mode
median marsh
that seems to be intels recommendation
now you can hope that gigabyte has the same dimm routing on their mainboard
which i somehow doubt
now, who do we trust?
@dire notch but you should see in the bios if they run in dual channel mode or not
or some tool like cpu-z might also be able to tell you
serene dome
Dual channel for 2 modules uses A2/B2 on the manual. So it matches the intel rec...
median marsh
ok, their naming scheme isn't really obviously pointing that out
serene dome
Since A2/B2 are being used then they should be using the same module slot color and can be deemed as "Dimm 1" and "Dimm 2"
median marsh
well then, 8GB in A2/B2 and 16GB in A1/B1?!
serene dome
Yes, 16/8/16/8:A1/A2/B1/B2 like I said...
solid atlas
hello i wonder if someone could help me, my external monitor asus tuff 32 inch suddenly shows a vertical purple dotted line through my screen
Already tried to change all cables, this even happen without connected to a pc
midnight condor
median marsh
15 minutes to 8h+
fallen oasis
15m pfft. Slow coaches! 😄
karmic trout
What's better: 2 500GB SSD or 1TB SSD?
devout pendant
2x500 raid0 probably would perform better, but I would go for single drive
patent flame
What's better: 2 500GB SSD or 1TB SSD?
if you can go with 2 separate drive is better, not only for data retention, but also for drive usage in general, having one free drive that handles the OS, while the other handles for example UE, is better than having everything on a single drive
unless of course you go for a 4.0 NVMe, in that case you're good with one probably, even tho my point still technically stands
karmic trout
if you can go with 2 separate drive is better, not only for data retention, but ...
I thought it maybe safer in second SSD save copy of the projects. If one fails, you will have a backup
karmic trout
unless of course you go for a 4.0 NVMe, in that case you're good with one probab...
Why so? 4 NVMe works faster in one drive?
patent flame
I thought it maybe safer in second SSD save copy of the projects. If one fails, ...
yes, you also have a better data retention, but im usually against using SSDs as storage
patent flame
Why so? 4 NVMe works faster in one drive?
PCI-E 4.0 has more bandwidth, so its less prone to get cluttered with the OS
But 99% of the times is totally unnecessary, buy only if you are sure that you need that speed, unless you like wasting money 
karmic trout
yes, you also have a better data retention, but im usually against using SSDs as...
Where do you save backup of your projects?
patent flame
Where do you save backup of your projects?
HDD
or on cloud, like gdrive
this is my configuration for example, planning on adding a second NVMe soon
i have 3 retentions, one on the 250GB drive, another one on the slowest 5400RPM drive, and the other on GDrive, as an ultimate fallback
karmic trout
or on cloud, like gdrive
Google Drive?
patent flame
Google Drive?
yes, the cloud is very effective to backup
karmic trout
yes, the cloud is very effective to backup
Yes, ik. But I really like to backup in cloud once a week. Daily backups are in hard drive. I have not so high speed internet.
Also Gdrive has just 15GB free storage
I think Azure would be better choice
It has unlimited storage
median marsh
also i would recommend backup to an external drive, rather than an internal
karmic trout
I think Azure would be better choice
Although I don't know about Azure enough. Just watched some dude uploading 75GB project to Azure DevOps. Not sure if he is using it as a backup
karmic trout
also i would recommend backup to an external drive, rather than an internal
Yeah, external HDD will be fine
fallen oasis
The best backup strategy: get up and walk backwards!
karmic trout
ok
karmic trout
The best backup strategy: get up and walk backwards!
Why bother to get up? So much work...
median marsh
just fall back with your office gaming chair
prime loom
7950x here I come
$699USD is ~$1012AUD
Not bad.
Could be worse
lol
Retailer markup will probably place it at $1200AUD
Or something
fallen oasis
That's a nice processor!
polar badger
Isn’t AMD becoming LGA now?
wind egret
Yummy, expensive motherboards.
prime loom
Isn’t AMD becoming LGA now?
Apparently AM4 Coolers will still be compatible.
frank glade
I hope I can convince my boss for a 7950x (I'm self employed) 😂
agile lodge
amd for cpu side lost for me since amd bought ati so that is no option for me at all
agile lodge
my GPU have always be nvidia and there was time when i pick cpu either intel or amd
median marsh
also amd cpu and nvidia gpu works well
Greater than 15 percent uplift in single-thread performance i wonder if that relates to the single core clock speed or if the 15% is at the same clock speed
here's the full press release if anyone is curious about chipsets, etc.
agile lodge
as ATI Radeon was the thing it kept those separate now I dont use AMD CPUs anymore and its for millions of years that
median marsh
ok, thought that was only the increase in instruction count
7950X is apparently 47% more energy efficient than 12900K
i'm kind of sad that intel is hopping so far behind
which will release when?
ok, didn't expect it that early
agile lodge
intel e cores are energy efficient and then p cores hog the power
median marsh
so they do a new generation each year?
median marsh
intel e cores are energy efficient and then p cores hog the power
that's what they claim
agile lodge
its true
median marsh
doubt
agile lodge
e-cores dont use much power but e-cores and p-cores use same clockspeed
median marsh
it may make a bit off for their overall high power consumption
agile lodge
well p-cores are used for high power workfloads when work is done most
median marsh
idk...
you can still run an normal core with lower clock speed if you want to save on power consumption
agile lodge
intel use less power thanamd but then on more load it use more
median marsh
we gonna see if amd will ever do something similar as intel
does amd even have any processor without multithreading?
even on mobile all they do is "normal" cores?!
agile lodge
scalable CPU is the future
median marsh
isn't that more like a software "problem"?
agile lodge
AMD have always use bruteforce
median marsh
e.g. the OS scheduler has to support it
xD
yea, more cpu load to reduce cpu power consumption 😄
but maybe that will lead to more software which uses low priorities, etc.
so it can be pushed to e-cores
true, they really nailed it on mobile
wind egret
TIL Intel's E-cores have more cache than the P-cores. o.O
wind egret
the L1 cache caught my eye, but yes... after the L2 and L3 are split there's not as much cache to go around
unique cedar
@iron zenith I switched to win11 today and underclocked cpu slightly for temp control and can confirm ue works really well now.
median marsh
how? 😄
i5-12600K would be what one could compare to the 7700x
slower single core boost speed, less l3 cache, and higher power consumption, but overall a bit cheaper
but we got to wait for benchmarks before you can really compare them somehow
wind egret
170W is threadripper territory. Might help make up for the lack of TR, but it's not priced anywhere near TR.
spark vortex
the 5950x deals on black friday (or sooner) are probs gonna be nuts tho
unborn pike
gotta heat up the house somehow
wind egret
You can do that with an Intel. Or a Bulldozer. Does Intel have a heatspreader as large as a threadripper?
median marsh
^^ i really noticed a difference between my old i7 and the ryzen9
the i7 was better in the winter 😄
agile lodge
intel have wide things as lattepanda have intel celeron in they latest one for iot market, asus just had event of Zenbook 17 OLED powered by Intel Evo platform i7
fast valley
So I've got a Ryzen 7 3700X and an RTX 2060 (regular) with 1080p screens, looking to potentially upgrade, not sure about CPU but I'm looking at upgrading to a RTX 3070 or a 3080
fast valley
I'm probably gonna grab the Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Managed to find a decent deal on Amazon
Eh, the 5800X3D has a similar performance to most of the 7K series without having to shell out for a new Mobo and ram
... actually I might have to check if I might have to do that anyway with the 5k series
Okay nvm the 5000 series is AM4, which my MB supports
Well, the 5800X3D is already on sale on Amazon
And it's a different process node with no similar product in the 7k line so it might take much longer to price drop.
But the v-cache is huge for gaming.
high saddle
should i get lenovo legion 5 or dell g15 laptop for running ue4? or just build a new pc? my budget is under $800.
median marsh
build a pc, at least you can upgrade that
because $800 is barely bringing you anywhere with UE (unless you do really simple stuff)
median marsh
~120GB?
that thing is worth like $5
ADATA Ultimate SU650 120GB is ~15€ new with 2 years warranty
native canopy
Thanks @iron zenith @median marsh. That guy was scamming me
He was saying it's Samsung
When it's ADATA
median marsh
it is a samsung
the ADATA was just a reasonable alternative which i pulled up
yea, that would tell how much data was written to the disk
but usually it should be ok, that isn't a drive that someone would abuse as cache disk 😄
fallen oasis
Might do
median marsh
so that health bar takes the total writes and the vendor TBW value into relation?
i don't know that tool, so i couldn't tell
wispy current
is coil whine actually a problem? i get it when playing my game and i'm kinda obsessed with figuring out how to get rid of it because in my mind it's like my PC being destroyed or something, but maybe my mind's exaggerating and i'm wrong?
Is it something i should be concerned about and, if so, anyone got any tips on how to stop it in my game?
mighty patrol
It's not the end of the world usually this blog has some decent info, https://www.howtogeek.com/297166/what-is-coil-whine-and-can-i-get-rid-of-it-on-my-pc/
karmic trout
Hi everyone
What model of macbook, imac or mac mini is recommended to publish for ios on App Store?
I read somewhere that I can develop game on Windows PC and use mac just to publish for App Store
So I use it just to publish
obtuse pine
Do you think it's worth buying a GPU now as they are cheap or better wait for series 40?
obtuse pine
yeah I kinda want to get a 3080/90 as my home gpu is 1060 but I feel like imma regret it in a few months
mighty cosmos
I just recently got a 6900xt because it was on sale here from 2k$ to 1.1k$
Probably won't look at this next gen of gpus and skip them entirely
fallen oasis
I just recently got a 6900xt because it was on sale here from 2k$ to 1.1k$
Proba...
I have one of those. It's pretty shit for UE.
mighty cosmos
I have one of those. It's pretty shit for UE.
🤔
I've been getting better framerates than some of the team members with 3080s and 3090s
fallen oasis
Maybe it's a 6800 xt thing. Sure i have the latest!
I had to run the editor on Vulkan!
mighty cosmos
are you on the pro driver thing or the regular ones?
fallen oasis
I don't even know. Probably the regular ones?
"AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition" is what my system icon tooltip says.
mighty cosmos
Hm yeah I have no clue what is causing issue for you, I did only test it in UE5, haven't tried UE4
tall kettle
Hello there 🙂 so I've bought expensive notebook (MSI GT77 RTX 3080 ti) and UE5 with basic level takes 100% GPU. Is it normal?
fallen oasis
It might just be rendering with no fps cap
tall kettle
do you know how to fix it?
because I think it's not ok when GPU uses on 100% when just idling with almost empty scene
fallen oasis
Google how to turn on editor vsync
tall kettle
thanx
fallen oasis
np
devout pendant
median marsh
ah yes, i need a touchscreen to control my mainboard
devout pendant
cinder latch
isnt it an extra 8 e cores tho?
median marsh
indeed, would be great if intel can catch up
devout pendant
reminds me when core2duo vs athlon 64 x2 was a thing, intel was bang at the time
blazing steppe
so , this is a software issue, but can someone tell me why my pc isnt using all the ram it can?
it says 8.1 gb is hardware reserved
past notch
Update BIOS , update windows, should resolve it.
brittle coral
Hello, I have a system running 1070ti and i7 9th gen and I've read that real time rendering is not available on 10 series cards, was wondering what limitations am I facing? Do I have to render using path tracer or what do I do in this case?
I'm a beginner here and my goal is to develop environments mainly for automotive visualisation and animation
is this system decent enough to be using it for world building of a decent scale having photorealistic capabilities along with using Lumen and nanite?
I know FPS and rendering time would suffer but that is a trade off I'm okay with
frank glade
I ran UE5 with lumen on my 1060, albeit at low FPS, only thing I was missing was RTX, which Ive only used once now (it was cool but...that's it)
brittle coral
I ran UE5 with lumen on my 1060, albeit at low FPS, only thing I was missing was...
missing RTX? can you elaborate?
frank glade
Afaik 2000 series and up have rtx support
@brittle coral but lumen works fine. Path tracer...not sure
brittle coral
I still feel confused as to if this is good enough for me to do what I want?
frank glade
It most likely is unless you want to show a heavy scene with rtx enabled to a client
brittle coral
tbf my use case is just going to be a pre-recorded animation and some images I produce with some realistic environment. but in order to do all that I will be learning it following tutorials so I was just afraid I wont be able to follow since everyone uses real time and some high end GPUs
where can I find a detailed video on the difference? is the opposite of real time, path tracer?
brittle coral
https://youtu.be/X5zVhc5ahl0
I was just watching this, great video and the limitations are not that many
blazing steppe
Update BIOS , update windows, should resolve it.
Too late, I reinstalled windows and wiped my drives in the process lmbo
naive cloak
if all the "leaks" are true, what will be better for UE 5? I9-13900k or Ryzen 9 7950X
median marsh
if all the "leaks" are true, what will be better for UE 5? I9-13900k or Ryzen 9 ...
yes
naive cloak
but AMD has real cores and Intel has "E" cores
i9 13900k will have 8 P cores, so its 16 threads, AMD will have 16 cores / 32 threads
then Epic will probably have to add support for E cores to UE 5
median marsh
if intel outperforms AMD on single core performance, it's still a better choice for UE imho
naive cloak
I am Intel "fan boy" but I dont like this E cores
median marsh
i'm not a fan of this mixed stuff either, but apparently they work quite well when the OS scheduler is doing it thing correct
naive cloak
AMD is 4nm already
median marsh
yea, but ARM is mostly doing this for mobile
median marsh
did they already say that?
naive cloak
I am pretty sure 16 P cores without E cores will work as good as current cpu and even better
median marsh
7000 series will show
naive cloak
it just makes sense...
median marsh
because it's cheaper?
naive cloak
because mobile first
median marsh
to have a set of reduced cores 😄
naive cloak
and that too
median marsh
they can even use "faulty" cpu's and degrade the faulty cores to "E" cores
naive cloak
yes
median marsh
by disabling some feature sets on them
naive cloak
for me it feels like Intel just needed to do something quick to at least stand a little chance against AMD
median marsh
no, you plan to make a 16 core cpu, and you know some die's wont do it, so you can still downgrade them to 8 cores + 4 e cores
sure
arent e-cores just p-cores which lack some instruction sets?
naive cloak
if instead Intel would switch to 4nm for example and remove E cores I am pretty sure they will be much better
median marsh
if instead Intel would switch to 4nm for example and remove E cores I am pretty ...
xD
naive cloak
for some reason they cant go below 10nm
median marsh
just switch to 2nm then
naive cloak
why?
median marsh
ok, that really looks like different core design then
median marsh
even the 286 had a co processor
yea but they are for applications which scale on multicore
naive cloak
is it worth buying PC when 13900 and RTX4 is out? or is it better to wait for the next next gen?
fallen oasis
I'd love that Xeon with 5ghz speed.
naive cloak
is will cost ~50k$ probably 😄
naive cloak
I feel that new pc components will not last for long anymore and even the high end parts will have "planned obsolesces" because they fight "global warming" and they still want to get back all the profit from covid "loses", also they saw that people will buy even for +3x the msrp. and I heard Nvidia CEO saying something about "correcting the market" lol
median marsh
it's rather that theres more stress on them
heat and thin "pcb" wiring dont go well for decades
frank glade
Didn't they have absurd profits when covid happened?
median marsh
yes
they rather struggled now/after all that covid lockdowns etc
now "everyone" got their homeoffice upgraded
naive cloak
maybe, but now they want even more profit...
they let so called "scalpers" create artificial deficit and didn't do anything about it
median marsh
what could they do about it?
naive cloak
they could do something for example team up with amazon, newegg, and limit 1 per "verified" accounts mark them as not for resale and attach code of the item to buyer, and ban when trying to resell, at least lets hope they were not the "scalpers" themselves...
naive cloak
they managed to vaccinate almost the entire world in less than a year, you still think there is something that is impossible? it just depends on who wants it and who will profit from it.
median marsh
that might work for retail market to some extend, but how do you supply companies with that?
and then many countries have rules on "monopolies"
naive cloak
what I am trying to say is "Where there's a will, there's a way", in case of GPU shortage, the will was to make as much money over msrp as possible instead of making it possible for plebspeople to be able to buy cards...
too bad I am the only one...
wind egret
The e-core module is almost 50% wider than the p-core. One could be annoying and say you're only getting 3 e-cores per p-core. Though it's still a good tradeoff.
I do wonder how AMD is going to do e-cores. Intel had been working with atom for years, giving them something to fall back on for e-cores. What does AMD have? Bulldozer? (canned laughter)
spark vortex
Its crazy to think that those 40xx cards could (the flagship anyway) use 800w, if leakers are to be believed haha. Like a 40 amp panel is only 9600 watts.. which is to say that (800/9600) * 100 = 8% rofl. Seems abit much honestly.
If that is true, I'm not upgrading to 40xx till NVIDIA figures that shit out lol, not paying for a space heater in my PC
esp. with inflation and rising energy prices
median marsh
what is that calculation? Oo
spark vortex
maybe I have it backwards xD
median marsh
you save on gas/oil/whatever you heat with otherwise
spark vortex
yeh but whole computer uses 500 watts as is
to put a 800 watt card in it would be absurd
spark vortex
chefs kiss thats what I'm talking about
its possible to be both powerful and low power draw
median marsh
well power full is a big word for the 3060 😄
spark vortex
hehe
median marsh
it struggles at times, but overall its quite good
median marsh
i think it's around the same performance of the 1080
just less power draw and more features
median marsh
i had a 1660, too before
spark vortex
I only really got back into the PC building game two years ago
median marsh
for playing that was enough for me, but not for UE
spark vortex
big surprise that AMD was top dawg, when I bought a laptop in 2013 my buddies all recommended intel lol. but here we are! Team Su!
ah okay
ye I'm worried about even trying to open UE5 with the 1660 super but I'm not upgrading till end of nov (black friday)
median marsh
the problem with the 1660 for me was mainly VRAM
spark vortex
ye the 6gbs aint enough for UE eh?
median marsh
depends on what you do
spark vortex
if I keep the assets barebones and just work on code will I be okay for like 2 months xD?
median marsh
i've used the 1660 quite a while with UE, but at some point my maps got to big with too many textures and stuff, which didn't fit the vram
i probably used it for a year
median marsh
it's not a bad card, you wont do crazy stuff on it, but for learning and level cut out its good enough
spark vortex
there are 12gb 3060 cards tho eh 🤔?
median marsh
yea, the normal 3060 is 12GB
spark vortex
decent
median marsh
the TI is not for some reason
median marsh
thats the main reason i picked the 3060
i think for dev the 12GB is more worth it than the extra performance of the 3070
spark vortex
ye hey
makes sense
and the 3060 is still 30xx despite being the lower tier model but w/e 12gbs fk it
median marsh
yea, i already manage to get to the limit with the 12GB -.-
spark vortex
seems like best bang-for-buck
haha F
how many graphics cards can your mobo run?
can you get a second 3060 xD xD
median marsh
yea, but that wont work within UE
spark vortex
hehe same
median marsh
and at this point im not even sure if they are worth enough for a 3090 😄
when is 4xxx launch?
spark vortex
EVGA has some 3090 B-Stock but eh its kinda hit-or-miss with that inventory tbh
median marsh
yea, or renderfarms...
spark vortex
ye
Its like buying old police ghosts cars lmao
they might look decent body wise but they bag drive the fuck out of those cars
and their mechanics keep them running until they basically have to sell them afaik
median marsh
those days are count here, they all use kind of leasing cars
spark vortex
weird eh
median marsh
so you would have to avoid any 3-4 year old cars in silver from your car dealer 😄
their equipment is so build that they can downgrade them to normal cars after
spark vortex
Apparently there was a program like 5-ish years ago in the US where police departments could apply for surplus war on terror gear
like sheriff depts. could get body armour, rifles, even like grenade launchers and MRAPs lol
(MRAPs being Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle)
median marsh
well ok, but those are special op vehicles?!
median marsh
they for sure exist here, too. but the majority is just plain vw passat or similar 😄
spark vortex
EVGA out here with that snake oil
I can never tell if you're being serious 🤣
hehe
median marsh
wasnt $1200 their MSRP?
opaque pond
Ive convinced myself that i misjudged the hardware reqs for ue5
livid gate
Hi guys, need a suggestion from you all. I have seen some negative comments about AMD over intel. I actually want to custom build a PC and want to have a good config PC for my game development. Not worried about how much it cost but I would like to have a stronger PC to do all stuffs in UE5.
Can you please help me to give some suggestions What CPU, GPU, Motherboard, video cards, case, power supply will be ideal to choose. Anyone would like to share some suggestions. Thank you
fallen oasis
How do you turn off vsm and tsr? Project rendering settings?
AMD is great for game dev.
median marsh
vsm is virtual shadow maps
fallen oasis
Yeah.
median marsh
you should find it with the search function?!
fallen oasis
But it's in project settings? Not some random other corner of the engine?
median marsh
i think so, but cant tell for sure (yet, could check it in 30mins for you)
fallen oasis
Same. Is currently pulling an engine update.
Thanks.
I think I turned both of those off.
I'm just doing a some side scroller, pixel graphics, etc. Don't need these advanced features!
Now, if I could completely turn off physics globally, that'd be nice, too...
No suggestions for that one? 😦
wind egret
wasnt $1200 their MSRP?
3090's MSRP was $1500. B-stock, no accessories, 3 years after launch, $1250 is dreadful
median marsh
this was apparently a thing
$1150 new with 3 years warranty
and those are 3090TI, the used ones above are normal 3090's
shadow bone
PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/74xbcb
CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor (£392.99 @ Technextday)
CPU Cooler: MSI MAG CORELIQUID V2 78.73 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£99.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£242.49 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (£117.99 @ Corsair UK)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£108.75 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.99 @ AWD-IT)
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 3070 8 GB DUAL OC Video Card (£540.49 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: MSI MPG GUNGNIR 110R ATX Mid Tower Case (£78.49 @ Box Limited)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE GOLD 850 V2 FULL MODULAR 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£110.00)
Total: £1738.19
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-09-12 01:44 BST+0100
can anyone point me in the right direction
first time making a pc
is this all good?
no issues etc
shadow bone
just using hdd to put other stuff on, ill use ssd for my main gmaes, ue5 and windows
im trying to stick to £1800ish
wind egret
It seems like you could drop to a 3060 and a 12600K and get a worthy amount of ram and storage instead. And some case fans. The case includes fans, but with the liquid cooler there will be 1-3 fans left over.
shadow bone
It seems like you could drop to a 3060 and a 12600K and get a worthy amount of r...
is 32 really not good angmore
i thought 64 was overkill
frank glade
I'll be trying to get 128gb when I upgrade in a few months 😄
wind egret
What's it like hammering the page file on a Samsung SSD anyway?
fallen oasis
HDDs filled with salt water will never work!
median marsh
i had tons of seagate hdds and only 1 specific drive model kept failing (which was a 1tb drive which didnt like vertical mounting)
and i witnessed a 120mb drive fail after 20 years 😄
median marsh
indeed, i was kinda lucky to have good experience with all big brands (samsung/wd/seagate)
some of them by now must be 10 years old, maybe its about time to replace them just to play it safe 😄
mighty cosmos
some of them by now must be 10 years old, maybe its about time to replace them j...
I'm yet to have any of my Samsung drives fail, hdds and ssds
Oldest hdd is over 10 years old now
Pretty sure that thing will never die lol
agile lodge
prime loom
Yeah seems to be the word
Doesnt sound good to me on the power consumption front if its the truth.
quaint hedge
Seagate own WD iirc. - in my time since the 90's I've had 2 WDs fail back in the IDE era - and I've had one SATA era portable 3'5 seagate fail - it most probably got over shocked when I was moving. I've had 4x 1tb Seagates in raid since 2013 - still going strong - well over due for an upgrade.
If you check HDD stats it's smaller drives (2.5") and drives over 3tb that start to fail - more density = more likely to fail over time, IIRC when 6tb drives came in they had failure rate of 6%.
median marsh
nah, seagate doesn't own WD
seagate apparently bought samsungs hard disk stuff, to focus on SSDs
while WD bought sandisk for SSDs
rough grotto
Does anybody have some recommendation for a mechanical chiclet or scissor keyboard brand/product?
Need a keyboard with a laptop feel but good/decent build quality.
median marsh
logitech k280e has some laptop feel, but it's not mechanical
rough grotto
logitech k280e has some laptop feel, but it's not mechanical
Thanks 👍
Lemme check.
astral musk
this may be heresy to some here, but what about the Mac keyboard? I dont have any personal experience with it
rough grotto
this may be heresy to some here, but what about the Mac keyboard? I dont have an...
Haven't tried any mac keyboard, can't say much.
Heard some people complaining about the butterfly mechanism of the keys or something, but dunno, haven't really checked the details on that one.
astral musk
wasn't sure if that would fit your criteria.
median marsh
isn't their hardware usually overpriced?
the logitech probably isn't going to last 5 years either, but it's only $30
overall logitech quality really got worse in the last years 😭
fallen oasis
logitech k280e has some laptop feel, but it's not mechanical
Logitech k120 is where it's at.
median marsh
i used a cheapo microsoft keyboard before which was kinda like that
but i like the raised (and flat) keys of the 280e more
but that's just my personal preference...
fallen oasis
I still wanna try one of those MS "natural" keyboards where the keys are split
mortal garden
I don't know where to ask this but I bought a ICY BOX NVME external case and a MLC Toshiba NVME SSD... and when I create a folder... the windows closes... and when I open it again it's all good, like the folder is there... I have a feeling like it's disconnecting or something
median marsh
how is the whole thing connected? USB or eSATA? And have you tried another Port? ideally one on the back of your mainboard, the front panel connectors are suboptimal
mortal garden
how is the whole thing connected? USB or eSATA? And have you tried another Port?...
USB 3.2 I have a laptop.
mortal garden
Found a solution i guess, the external drive is so underpowered that it goes idle and my laptop turns off the power to the external SSD... With USB 3.2 i can do 1GB/s and when moving 3GB of music files 15-50MB per song it did 450MB/s write. 1.7GB/S read and 1.2GB/s write when on USB-C
median marsh
aren't they the ones asking ridiculous prices for their graphics cards? 😄
really?
huh, for me they have been somehow 2nd choice
after Asus/MSI/Gigabyte
didn't they also use to make mainboards? GN only mentions PSUs
naive cloak
since when EVGA is better than Asus?
if it so good why New World (Amazon game) managed to break their cards? while not a single Asus card was damaged.
also Asus used to build above Nvidia specs while other brands build to spec at most
median marsh
if i wasn't that bored i wouldn't even care a bit 😄
honestly, those employees are either going to other companies
and some might lose their job anyways with crypto failing more and more each day (but that affects all companies)
cinder latch
if it so good why New World (Amazon game) managed to break their cards? while no...
new world bricked other gpus too, i wouldnt say thats evgas fault as much as amazon's fault
wind egret
I remember xfx and some lesser companies moving to ati/amd for similar reasons many years ago, but I always figured evga would be the last nvidia vendor standing if it ever came to it.
karmic trout
Will UE5 run well on Ryzen 7700x?
fossil thicket
Can anyone help me understand my computer issue? The temperature is at 99c after just booting it up after 12 hours of being off.
It was fine last week, sitting closer to 40c. How did it even heat up that fast? Is it a broken fan or thermal paste issue??
frank glade
are the fans running 100% check the cooler?
fossil thicket
You mean by looking at their readouts on the same utility?
Sorry, never really troubleshooted something like this
mighty cosmos
Can anyone help me understand my computer issue? The temperature is at 99c after...
if you have a water cooler it might be a dead pump, or it isn't properly seated on the CPU
fossil thicket
Thanks, Blue Man.
fossil thicket
Is AIO Pump the water cooling?
I took off the cpu cooler and put it back on and restarted and now it's perfect....
Weird though, because I had the same problem a few weeks ago and that time I just blew out some dust and it did the same thing, but doesn't seem like it's fixed the root issue. I've ordered some new thermal paste
mighty cosmos
I've once had the pc boot up without the pump running in the aio, basically also temps in the 90s , restarted the pc and it never happened again
fossil thicket
huh... that's odd. But presumably it could have fried the cpu if unchecked?
I should have seen the warning sign at least, that the fans were running really loud
mighty cosmos
It would shut itself down most likely before any damage is done
fossil thicket
Thanks for the help
opaque pond
Wdym
I am not that worried about that
Cause well not really looking to upgrade ny desktop
Planning on keeping both cpu and gpu for the next 5 years
wind egret
Is it really a leak if the leak itself is more guessing?
agile lodge
the project beyond is on for nvidia geforce and nvidia twitch channels to the they event
west quail
Too overkill for motherboard? I want to have atleast 32gb ram
Specs currently:
Ryzen 5600G RX 5500 16gb 3200mhz ram, 2SATA 1 nvme (I am planning to get more storage)
My cpu has decently fast speeds, but not many cores
How does the cpu determine how much ram it can really use? Threads? Ik that my cpu is never even hitting the 40% marks when compiling and stuff
Only 6 cores, so I would need a better cpu?
I just don't want my entire pc to lag lol, speeds are fine for now
Alright
serene dome
The memory controller is integrated into CPUs these days and has been since the DDR3 era (give or take). Iirc, it was around the early mid to late aughties where it could have been on the motherboard's northbridge still, depending on the CPU brand/architecture.
glass spindle
Hello everyone! I need a little help deciding between two CPUs: the 5900X and 5800X3D. I got a really good deal on both and they're costing the same. The main focus of the PC I'm building is to start learning game development in UE5, with some gaming on the side. Puget System’s review put the 5800X3D as 38% slower for source code compiling and 20% for shaders compared to the 5900X. However, I have no idea how much that impacts day-to-day use of the software. Any thoughts? I won’t be upgrading for at least 4 years.
serene dome
Imo, I'd lean more on the 5900x
Not sure if you're aware but the next-gen CPUs from both AMD and Intel are around the corner
glass spindle
I wondered if the 3D V-Cache and the extra "oomph" for games could mean anything for Game Developing
serene dome
Even if you're not interested in the newer ones, there may be price cuts to older models when the new ones do release
glass spindle
Not sure if you're aware but the next-gen CPUs from both AMD and Intel are aroun...
I do, in fact I'd be willing to wait, but where I live I know for a fact that the new CPUs and Mobos will cost a fortune for quite a while
I intended on waiting for black friday pice cuts, but decided to pull the trigger since I got pretty good deals on the CPUs and a mobo
Around 27% cheaper than they normally are, so maybe as good as I'm going to get in a couple months
frigid heath
well mining cards are gettin dumped atm 😛
even a decent drop in price on retail cards
3070ti is now less than half the price it was a few months ago
yea about a 50% drop in price on most cards
and all it took was a lil financial collapse 🙂
glass spindle
Thank you! Indeed, the 5800X3D takes quite the extra time on tasks. I'm just unaware how long and often theses tasks take place to gauge how much they stack up over time.
I see, makes absolute sense. That's exactly what I needed to know. Much thanks! 🙂
Aye. I'll be starting with 32GB RAM, as I often hear it's the minimum, and upgrade when the need comes
If I could bother your knowledge for one more thing, would you say 3200Mhz CL16 or 3600Mhz CL18 would be preferable to use with the software?
Fair, I'll keep searching
I'd love to start with 64, but I'm already overbudget
And memory is still something I can more easily upgrade in the future
In terms of VRAM... It'll also be lackluster in the beginning, I'm afraid. I intend to upgrade when whe next gen of GPUs are widely available
median marsh
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-B550-PLUS-Motherboard-DisPlayPort-Addressable/dp/B08...
personally i would go for a x570 board
specially if you want to add more nvme's, as the 2nd/3rd slot usually go through the chipset, and the x570 has pciex4 connection to the cpu, instead of pciex3 (b550)
median marsh
yes, but i don't know how good that specific board is
also the reviews don't look promising, for this renewed one
west quail
also the reviews don't look promising, for this renewed one
I don't need anything fancy tbh, lots of storage would be great but im not expecting to be getting 3 1tb nvmes, if you have any recommendations for that, I have 2 8gb 3200mhz ram sticks rn, I need more but this motherboard I have rn only supports 2 slots
median marsh
how about getting 2x32GB sticks and keeping the current board?
west quail
how about getting 2x32GB sticks and keeping the current board?
Will my 450W cut it?
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-PC4-25600-Memory-Black-CMW64GX4M2E3200C16/dp/B081BTGNDW/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2NT1LM1DOACV5&keywords=64gb+ram+stick+3200mhz&qid=1663618359&sprefix=6gb+ram+stick+3200mhz%2Caps%2C75&sr=8-4 That's alot of money for some ram haha
I've never actually thought about this, does ram "die"? Probably useful to know if I will be spending that much
median marsh
450W PSU? depends on the other components
ram usually lasts for a while, i only had "cheap" sticks die on me...
west quail
I am actually not sure if it's 450 or 400 wattage, but my specs are:
frigid heath
ive never had Ram die on me... but i have had dead ram sticks
median marsh
well, the memory wont change anything on your power draw either
frigid heath
go overpower on PSU
west quail
RX 5500 GPU
Ryzen 5 5600G
2x 8gb 3200mhz ram
1 ssd, 1nvme, 1 hdd
west quail
well, the memory wont change anything on your power draw either
so more ram won't change anything?
west quail
ive never had Ram die on me... but i have had dead ram sticks
wdym
median marsh
not in any way that you should be concerned
frigid heath
PSU works more efficient when low draw... gets less hot and more stable system
median marsh
not this again...
west quail
wdym
median marsh
your PSU is fine, if your system works with it
frigid heath
depends on the power net u are on also
west quail
this has happened like 3 times during it's entire lifetime (like a year) but
sometimes when I launch my pc and launch something fast like csgo my pc completely turns off
as if like it got unplugged
cus this be a PSU problem? not having enough wattage
west quail
depends on the power net u are on also
idk anything
west quail
ok I will just buy the ram then
frigid heath
could be.... could also be a short mobo connected to ur case
west quail
appreciate the help
median marsh
your PSU is only a concern if you upgrade your GPU
but currently it seems fine to me
west quail
any 2 x 32gb ram sticks you would recommend? I don't really need an RGB special edition that's colors are changeable in an app
median marsh
i currently have g.skill ripjaws, which seem to work fine
but i also have some dead g.skill ddr2 laying around, which was the cheap memory that died on me earlier 😄
median marsh
well, that was from my old core2quad 😄 (the i7 had ddr3 apparently)
median marsh
should be okay
warm rain
4000 Series GPUs don't support DP 2.0 :/
golden dirge
4080 US$1200 yikes
That'd be like AU$2400 or so, with tax and markup. My 3080 build was just a few hundred more dear than that...
frank glade
Any benchmarks yet?
golden dirge
Stonk market is very ambivalent apparently
agile lodge
something to look for
rain summit
For UE to use ray tracing, do I need a Nvidia RTX graphics card? Or does AMD graphics card also work
mighty cosmos
amd works
mental timber
AMD Cards work fine with UE for Raytracing and Lumen
rain summit
I thought Nvidia is the one that does RT though?
mighty cosmos
I thought Nvidia is the one that does RT though?
UE uses DXR api which is a part of directx 12 and all modern GPUs support
Rtx is just Nvidia's fancy name for their raytracing support
rain summit
Hm, alright
Just thinking about the recent release of the RTX 4000 series and what AMD offers compared to Nvidia, in regards to UE development
From what I read, Nvidia has:
- Better video encoding (editing and recording videos using hardware)
- More AI support
- Better ray tracing?
- Better DLSS compared to AMD's FSR
Not sure what else I'm missing
AMD has better performance to price
mighty cosmos
In my opinion it might be worth it to wait for amd to drop new GPUs
prime loom
When are the AMD GPUs set to release?
mighty cosmos
Rumor is by the end of the year I think
prime loom
I think ill get an NVidia card, only because I dont think I could wait longer for AMD...
Its quite funny though, I said years ago to myself I would never buy AMD, but its been quite surprising just how much they have come up to challenge Intel recently.
7950x will be my next purchase thats for sure.
My i7 7700k is getting a bit old
rain summit
I'd say definitely wait but just wondering what the difference in features are between the two
wispy flare
ok. Taking away DLSS3
4xxx is 1.2 to 1.5 faster than previous generation
not worth it..
unless you are fan of getting hardcore vendor lock in
wispy flare
I think ill get an NVidia card, only because I dont think I could wait longer fo...
they should show something next month,
https://twitter.com/sherkelman/status/1572208858252156928
prime loom
7950x + 4090 is what im eyeing.
I know the 4090 is going to be wildly overpriced.
mighty cosmos
not worth it..
I'm suddenly not disappointed at all for getting a 6900xt like a month ago, thought I maybe made a mistake by getting it but now I'm not regretting it at all
The 4080 results are kinda disappointing when you take away dlss and I couldn't care less about raytracing, plus heavily overpriced for the 16gb version
wispy flare
I have 3080 TI now..
but, I'm going to buy RDNA3
i gave 6900 xt to girlfriend
and I regret it 😄
mighty cosmos
I'm very much looking forward to rdna3
Amd gpus age like fine wine, at launch it was on par with 3080s, now it's beating the 3090 in some cases
wispy flare
I honestly had just more problems with 3080 TI, it spikes with power like crazy, the drivers.. are not that good as people say (i would say they are equal now), and I do need open source drivers
the only thing going for nvidia is DLSS and RayTracing.
the first I consider vendor lock it, and the second is held back by consoles
mighty cosmos
Only thing I had are a few rare driver crashes when alt tabbing, but not really something that bothers me
wispy flare
Win 11 + NVIDIA = some games straight doesnt work, monitors do not turn on sometimes (have to manually on/off them),
at least I can heat my room I guess
mighty cosmos
I'm very happy with the 6900xt so probably gonna skip this next gen completely
I got it because it was 50% off on sale here, from 2k$ to 1k$
rain summit
the only thing going for nvidia is DLSS and RayTracing.
Is there anything else you can think of that Nvidia has an advantage on?
mighty cosmos
Mainly has advantage in the majority of things regular people don't care about
And a lot could change with rdna3
rain summit
Mainly has advantage in the majority of things regular people don't care about
...
What kind of things? Just curious
mighty cosmos
Yeah
Even tho AMDs raytracing is not bad at all, just a bit worse
mighty cosmos
What kind of things? Just curious
Cuda and raytracing mostly, and dlss that works in specific titles anyways
wispy flare
What kind of things? Just curious
CUDA, Machine Learing
the funny thing is AMD have separate line of GPUs for these..
agile lodge
i am always nvidia on GPU
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-remix-announcement/ this help the dlss to other titles too
the intel arc performance could be interesting
as raytracing and all well intel have it too on they graphics https://game.intel.com/us/stories/intel-arc-gpus
rain summit
RTX remix sounds interesting
I wonder what other stuff Nvidia GPUs have over AMD
agile lodge
RTX remix is new feature to Nvidia omniverse
wispy flare
I would differentiated the software stack from hardware stack
yes NVIDIa invest alot into software which works only on their GPUS
devout pendant
the funny thing is AMD have separate line of GPUs for these..
my rx6000 detects itself as a cuda device 🙄 i have rocm installed
wispy flare
does not really make their GPUs better for average person
wispy flare
my rx6000 detects itself as a cuda device 🙄 i have rocm installed
I meant they have specialized architecture CDNA
both RDNA and CDNA can of course handle any type of compute
livid gate
Just a quick question, AMD Radeon™️ RX 6900 Series Graphics Cards VS GEFORCE RTX 3090 which one is worth buying for game dev in UE5. Any suggestions. Thank you
fallen oasis
3090
fathom rune
thought of getting the new AMD 7000 cpu but shop says it has to be bought with motherboard together
fathom rune
my motherboard is from at least 10years ago, the shop apparently says x670 has to be bought together
seems like that's the case );
mighty cosmos
Just a quick question, AMD Radeon™️ RX 6900 Series Graphics Cards VS GEFORCE RTX...
6900xt, that's my opinion
fleet hinge
I have laptop on my hands, legion 520, 1050ti, i5 cpu, 8gb mem. Does UE5 could perform better on device from 2018 or UE4 4.14 could do this better? Both engines run well and are within normal specs but I dont know if UE5 is more lightweight since basically it runs faster but have no idea how it could handle growing up projects.
modern mountain
let me give that a go
ahh got you
and requires the paid version of HDSentinel I see
may just cough up for a license - seems like a good tool
quite!
I really need to look into cloud storage - my backup game is WEAK
Oh interesting - thanks for the heads up, OneDrive definitely looks like a solid option
uhhhhhhhh
am I experiencing critical mission failure :'D?
ok
livid gate
I'm looking for amd zen4 to buy, if this is the case I need a good gpu and that case I guess amd6900 needed rather nvidia geforce
fossil horizon
I have 3080 TI now..
I have 2 3090, will be buying the 4090 asap 🥳, it's mostly for Blender less about games/game engines.
rain summit
I have 2 3090, will be buying the 4090 asap 🥳, it's mostly for Blender less abo...
Curious, don't you think 3090 is enough? Why get 4090? Or why not get AMD's next-gen equivalent?
fossil horizon
Curious, don't you think 3090 is enough? Why get 4090? Or why not get AMD's next...
Blender has better support for cuda/optix which means faster rendering. Nvidia, also commit code to add support for specific features for Cycles renderer. 4000 series should see similar code commits to Cycles. The features on the third gen RT core should give a nice uplift when rendering leafs,grass foliage. I do freelance work so getting a 4000 series is just a good tax write off. If AMD can show they support Cycles as good or better I might switch.
In short its just more practical to use nvidia cards for rendering. Things might change in the distant future ...
agile lodge
well would be interesting for new one
think how long they have keep the card on wraps
agile lodge
the asus cards are 3.5 and 3.65 slots so watercooling could totally help too
TuF cards are thicker but shorter and Strix are not that thicc but longer
lucid dawn
Don't forget the dedicated power grid
Someone has you covered: https://chng.it/dkx52Dch
fallen oasis
I need to start change.org campaigns to change coding standards.
agile lodge
well https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-details-geforce-rtx-4090-fe-pcb-23-phases-and-clean-power
mellow galleon
@iron zenith https://www.agner.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=79
clean power in hardware is the most hilarious thing invented by green people
i guess explicitly setting cpu affinity would be more common
like set game thread to run only on normal cores
because why would you ever want scheduler drop it to e core
minor veldt
When running a recent or upcoming AAA single-player game at high/ultra settings, what is typically using the most VRAM and how does it change when increasing the monitor resolution?
fossil horizon
The 4000 series will make a great heater, for the coming cold EU winter, how else are you guys going to heat your home 😆
fossil horizon
How likely is Epic Games to implement support for (Displaced Micro-Mesh), OMM (Opacity Micro-Maps) in Unreal Engine, it seems to be vendor specific 🤔
fallen oasis
Seems pretty unlikely.
median marsh
or mandy bridge
flint prism
Q: My dad's laptop wont turn on, even when plugged in. Older(ish) HP. Power brick seems to be putting out proper voltage... what else to check?
first google result says to try removing battery, hold power button, reinstall battery. Will try that I guess
later, when I have energy
devout pendant
IPC increases are up to 13% over Zen 3 CPU...
Also very nice review:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Unreal-Engine-AMD-Ryzen-7000-Series-vs-Intel-Core-12th-Gen-2366/
fallen oasis
7950x and 4090. How to single-handedly break the climate.
agile lodge
Tomorrow is the day for intel raptor lake
vagrant anvil
It was down to the wire, but I got the testing done in time. and yes, when 13ths gen launches, they we'll really see how good Ryzen 7000 is, or isn't
Thanks. we are hoping to one day have a publicly available download so everyone can compare their systems just like we do with Adobe products. Unreal is just a little more complicated (and I dont know C++ or Python)
mellow galleon
are there any chrome/ue compile benchmarks on new cpus out yet?
i kinda want stay away from intel monster arch with p/e cores
mighty cosmos
so what I gathered is that it is not worth upgrading from 5950x
wind egret
The arch isn't a bad idea. The only thing monstrous about it is Intel's power consumption limits.
mighty cosmos
actually I might need a heater this winter 😅
mellow galleon
if you have 5950 you wont upgrade anytime soon, maybe in 2 3 years
just run build more often and get your heater
2 in 1
mighty cosmos
yeah I'm skipping this gen and waiting for the next one
not enough improvement for me to consider
mellow galleon
imo it needs too much magic from OS to supplement hybrid cores
vagrant anvil
so what I gathered is that it is not worth upgrading from 5950x
"worth" is hard to answer for everyone, but since you can't just swap CPUs, it makes it a tough pill to swallow
mellow galleon
access to hw then you can get it, here hw is 3-5x over MSRP
mighty cosmos
"worth" is hard to answer for everyone, but since you can't just swap CPUs, it m...
Yeah I mean 30% ish improvement is not bad but not enough for me to consider buying a new MB, DDR5 memory and rebuilding the system
vagrant anvil
like if you have to recompile shaders or full code, often, like daily or multiple times a say, it might be worth the cost, but then again you should be considering Threadripper if that is your workflow
I'll probably be sticking with 5950X for my personal dev box for a while
mellow galleon
i liked to work on 5900x in office, was super fast pc.
compared to my i5 3570 at home lol
mellow galleon
i only upgraded gpu from 660 to 1080 when it got out
and extra 16 ram
spending 1.5month worth of salary for a gpu
i think it i bought 1080 when it was 1k $ (22k local currency) like 3 or 4month after it became available
i find amd more appealing for gaming rn
and if get the dedicated lines for nvme
mighty cosmos
like if you have to recompile shaders or full code, often, like daily or multipl...
Well my usage is 90% compiling code and even the engine multiple times a day and still don't really see it being worth it
Upgrading from an older CPU it would be worth it 100%, but from 5950x the difference is just not noticeable enough where anyone should really consider upgrading
But that's just my opinion
vagrant anvil
Well my usage is 90% compiling code and even the engine multiple times a day and...
for sure. thats why I like putting the raw data out there and let people decide whats best
mighty cosmos
for sure. thats why I like putting the raw data out there and let people decide ...
Really appreciate the benchmarks, it's my go to when a new CPU comes out 😅
mellow galleon
i really dont want to force use liquid cooling tho, out of people i know they all had too much headache with them
with the thermal aspect of new cpus
mighty cosmos
I've been using AIOs for ages now on 2 different PCs and 0 issues so far 🤔
First time hearing that, you will get a dead pump way before the AIO starts leaking
fallen oasis
I like my AIO liquid cooler.
I really don't want it to leak all over my pc, though.
vagrant anvil
just put a paper towel under the pump. now you dont need to worry about leaks
fallen oasis
I don't really worry at all.
wind egret
lacquer your motherboard for maximum waterproofness
vagrant anvil
we used to sell computers in aquariums
fallen oasis
What about your EYES?!
dim pewter
10+ years ago when I was watercooling my first gen i7 and 400 series Nvidia cards, I remember getting a leak on my top GPU and it dripping down to the two below is (back in the day of 3-way SLI).
To this day I'm still amazed it didn't kill the two lower cards, considering the machine was on at the time.
fresh musk
How do you guys feel about M2 apple computers running unreal engine for a school lab ecosystem? Is it good performance compared to the average Uni computer lab you think? The school gets them essentially thrown at them so it’s not a price thing
wind egret
M.2 is a slot type. M2 is a high-end ultralight laptop chip.
There's actual gaming laptops that would no doubt handle Unreal, but I suppose no one is throwing those at computer labs. Or might they be?
agile lodge
intel innovation stream started
agile lodge
reasonably priced Intel Arc GPU
agile lodge
welcome to raptor lake