hardware

[warm reef]

Anybody interested? I got the reservation for the order but I'm not able to get it so if anyone wants it

[livid gate]

Hi Guys, I want to build my own PC for working on UE5 for game development. Would you guys like to share some of your PC setup details that will be helpful for me as UE5 requires high performance cpu to work on. Thanks in advance.

Any suggestions or tips to custom build a new PC for working.

[fallen oasis]

Working with c++ or not?

[unkempt pelican]

Is there a significant difference if you're using c++ or blueprint?

I kinda have the same question right now

[fallen oasis]

Compiling in c++ can take a while if you don't have too many cores.

[unkempt pelican]

Okay. I was thinking of a CPU with 12 cores. Would that be good enough?

[fallen oasis]

Well you ddin't answer the question.

[unkempt pelican]

Oh, right. I'm still testing the waters with unreal, but probably yes

[fallen oasis]

It's not really as much to do with cores as it is virtual cores, but as long as it's a late edition i7/i9 (12xxx) or a 59xx amd you're probably okay

You'll want at least 10-12gb of vram (so a 3060 or 3080, not a 3070, they onyl come with 8)

64gb of system ram.

at least a 1gb ssd

Other than that? Whatever

[unkempt pelican]

Hmm, alright. Thanks.

Is there a reason why compiling blueprints is a lot faster than c++?

[fallen oasis]

Compiling blueprints doesn't involve compiling engine code

Compiling your own c++ code is probably okay, but if you ever go for a source buidl, it will take at least an hour, maybe several, to build the engine.

[unkempt pelican]

Hm, got it

I have built it from source before and yes, it did take that long

[fallen oasis]

I have a good machine and it takes me 13 minutes.

[fallen oasis]

Taht's the one.

[unkempt pelican]

Get an ssd for storage and not an hdd then?

[fallen oasis]

Yes.

I have an ssd for OS+Unreal

And hdd for games 😄

[unkempt pelican]

So you store all the Unreal data and assets on the ssd and everything else on the hdd, basically?

[fallen oasis]

Engine +Project+Assets on ssd.

The games I actually play on hdd.

The 2 are not related.

[unkempt pelican]

Right, got it

[quartz skiff]

I’m working on a project with plenty of assets as well as landscapes and so on. I got several materials and textures placed amongst everywhere. The play test is perfectly fine but my pc gets very hot. So I’m trying to figure out if it’s possible for me to lower the heat on my pc while I’m working so it isn’t burning out my components.
These are my specs:

Intel i9-9900K - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti - 32GB DDR4 - 1TB SSD - Liquid Cooling 240mm

Also yes, I put it in the freezer and it was a temporary solution.

Any answers are welcomed, thanks.

[cinder latch]

if the gpu is not hooked up to the water cooling, then adding more fans can help the gpu temperatures

and upgrading the cpu cooler can help the cpu temperatures

[kind talon]

Might be worth defining what "very hot" is, as the parts can get hotter then you'd expect
To much of course and you'll thermal throttle

[quartz skiff]

Those commands actually helped, the fans stopped blaring so loudly when I enabled it. but now my next question is how to I keep those settings when I close the engine, and then reopen it? Cause when I reload it it goes back to default.

[devout pendant]

The price of 12GB 3080 is coming down at least

Can't bring myself to drop to 3060…

[scarlet isle]

I would rather have even a better cpu, than 3090 in my rig. Mainly, because of:

[north arch]

why?

[scarlet isle]

miners selling out + Nvidia is lowering some gpu prices.

[median marsh]

it's genius that they held the price until the next gen was ready 😄

now they can sell out and people still wont feel scammed

[north arch]

I meant why to this

[scarlet isle]

Considering the hardware, I don't feel scammed at all.

Time is money too, and we all can find a sweet spot of Time wasted vs money spent.

[median marsh]

that's true

[devout pendant]

The 3060 has 12GB of VRAM

[north arch]

yes

[devout pendant]

Video memory has an outsized impact on performance in some of UE5's features.

So the 3060 may outperform the 3070 for some use cases.

[north arch]

but why not drop to a 3060 instead of up to 3080 from a 3070?

is it really that much worse?

[devout pendant]

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3070-vs-Nvidia-RTX-3060/4083vs4105

Appears substantial.

Also, I haven't yet ran into bottlenecks with my 3070, so I'm not in a rush… but if I do, I don't think I could bring myself to "downgrade" for more VRAM.

[median marsh]

i wouldn't upgrade to a 3080 either

unless you can get a good deal/trade

[devout pendant]

Nvidia has begun shutting down production various 30xx cards I believe, in preparation for 40xx.

Yeah, a trade would be cool. I know a PC shop that isn't the easiest to work with, but they do offer that sometimes.

[median marsh]

isn't it mostly selection which GPU die ends up as 3090/3080 and such?

[devout pendant]

For 30xx, I think so.

For 40xx, I think it's different silicon

[north arch]

indeed!

[devout pendant]

As in, the wafers for 4070, 4080 and 4090 have distinct manufacturing processes, but I'm not sure about that.

I'll look into that 3070 to 3080 12GB trade, that would be cool.

[devout pendant]

Lol, wait what

That has to be due to limited data points

[north arch]

I compared flops and bandwidth on a different site

[devout pendant]

Ugh that's terrible

That reminds me of W3Schools

Well, despite userbenchmark being trash, the 3,584 CUDA cores on 3060 vs 5,888 on 3070 would suggest a noticeable difference in performance for many use cases.

Of course, the higher the resolution, the more the increased VRAM would give advantage to the 3060, but I don't know enough to say when it would outperform a 3070.

I haven't yet found other benchmarks…

I think I saw some at one point that were very specific to UE though, and greatly flattered the 3060.

LOL that YT video is hilarious

"An alternate measurement of FPS, that only they seem to be able to measure called EFPS"

[mighty cosmos]

This is on an rtx 2080s on max load
It's reaching like 95-100C on the hotspot
I'm curious what other people with similar GPUs are getting

[spark vortex]

this is when running UE? oh god, i dont wanna know what my single fan 1660 super is gonna run at (for a rough idea, it runs at 80c when playing Valheim which runs uncapped fps wise)

[mighty cosmos]

I'm gonna take the GPU out tomorrow and clean it, those temps are slightly concerning to me

[devout pendant]

Guys kinda stupid but , what lappy would ya recommend under 950 dollars for unreal engine ?

[north arch]

anything that can remotely connect to your dev box at the office

[cinder latch]

it will throttle the performance before reaching temps that are actually bad for it

[mighty cosmos]

Ok yeah clean your GPUs people

[devout pendant]

Wooot!

[median marsh]

that must have been dusty af

also might want to look into the airflow of your case? i would be concerned >80°C, even if they say "it's okay"

[mighty cosmos]

From what I've read the hotspot is always around 15C higher than GPU core
And for the GPU core it's apparently fine up to like 89C 🤷‍♂️

The case is Thermaltake View 71 TG

[median marsh]

is the gpu mounted vertical with riser?

if not, it might be worth to check if your PSU has a fan which sucks air from the case, then if you mount the PSU with the fan upside, it would suck the hot air from the GPU out of the case

[mighty cosmos]

It isn't mounted vertically
My PSU is mounted with the fan being upside and I also have an exhaust fan right below the GPU sucking air out

[median marsh]

ok, that sounds like there's nothing to improve then

which GPU is that btw? nvm 2080S

[mighty cosmos]

it's rtx 2080s
MSI gaming x trio I believe or something like that

Yeah I really feel like I can't do much to help it

the core temp is fine, the hotspot is a bit toasty but I'm also not sure what's considered normal for the hotspot

[median marsh]

was it always that hot on load?

[mighty cosmos]

pretty sure yeah

[median marsh]

ah ok, otherwise checking thermal paste would be another thing, but if it was always like that...

[mighty cosmos]

And it's not even thermal throttling so I guess it's fine with it 🤷‍♂️

Hm only thing I could to is crank up the fans with MSI afterburner because the automatic mode is keeping them at around 60% at like 80C

[median marsh]

you say that after all the things 😄 dude isn't even running his fans on full speed 😄

[west quail]

I seen someone running on nearly 80 on idle

They kept saying "it's in Celsius" like that matters lol

[proud cargo]

hey guys i'm making a new pc build with i7 12700k and i was wondering which gpu would fit the best. Generally i use ue for vr and ar development but i'd like to make more complex scenes. Should i go for a 3060 with more vram or i should go for more cuda cores like 3060ti o 3070?

[devout pendant]

There seems to be a huge emphasis on VRAM, so I think 3060...

I can't speak to VR/AR specifically though.

[serene dome]

Standard is 10-15 but you can increase the delta with hard overclocks that increase voltage and cooling better. The limit for hot spot temp is 115 (5 buffer + 95 core temp limit + upper limit of standard delta [15]). At this point a GPU will throttle heavily so you never want to come anywhere near close to it...

[opaque pond]

in terms of laptop hardware , what would be the min for UE5?

[fallen oasis]

There was a nice one somebody linked the other day for about $2k?!

[mighty cosmos]

Oh ok, thank you for the info 👍

[opaque pond]

laptop?

[fallen oasis]

No, a very expensive banana.

[opaque pond]

well is there anything cheaper?

[fallen oasis]

Probably ones that arne't made of gold.

[opaque pond]

bruh

[opaque pond]

like isnt there a cheaper laptop that will do? @fallen oasis

[fallen oasis]

Not if you want a comfortable experience in UE.

[shy edge]

you could get lucky on a used laptop or score a deal if you have an inside person at a retailer like Microcenter to get a loaded unit for cheap but computer horsepower usually costs money. no way around it.

[opaque pond]

uhh are macbooks out of the question?

[fallen oasis]

Absolutely.

[opaque pond]

cause of hardware or software?

[fallen oasis]

Both

[opaque pond]

🤔 wdym

[fallen oasis]

You pay more for the smae hardware, so you will get a worse laptop.

UE and Mac don't really work together as well as you'd like.

[opaque pond]

ahh....

i mean i got a laptop now

but i dont really want to try

@fallen oasis are there specific specs i need to look for?

[fallen oasis]

IF you want a new laptop, the one linked the other day (just scroll up until you see it) is what you should look for.

[opaque pond]

actually could i try on my current laptop?

[fallen oasis]

Is your current laptop a banana?

[opaque pond]

uhh kind of

it has a 4500u

[golden dirge]

The one I linked? 🙂

There's a slightly more expensive (but IMO worth it) QHD version too
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-g15-advantage-edition-15-6-fhd-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-5900hx-16gb-memory-radeonrx-6800m-512gb-ssd/6466550.p?skuId=6466550&intl=nosplash

[fallen oasis]

Probably?

[weary glacier]

Hi what is a good PC build for UE5 dev? My budget is $1000-$1500. Have not built a PC in a long, long time

Also dumb question, is a Radeon Pro 580 8 Go a bad graphics card?

It's what's on my current computer. Seems to do OK with the starter games in UE4 but not sure how it will scale

[golden dirge]

It's OK, bit slower than a 3050 but faster than a 6500 it seems (at 1080p)

With crazy detailed scenes, it's going to struggle yeah

[weary glacier]

Thanks I'm already going down the rabbit hole of listing out parts for a build. Looking at:
Radeon RX 6700 XT
Don't know for CPU. Ryzen 5800x or 5900x or some intel chip?
64GB of RAM... don't know what brand or speed

The CPU is what I don't understand, because I don't understand the intel naming scheme and how it compares

[wind egret]

The naming schemes are impossible. Their retail cost is usually respective of their perfo- desirability.

[golden dirge]

5950X is pretty amazing for productivity

[weary glacier]

I can't afford that right now. I'm hoping to get a motherboard that will support an upgrade path in 2-3 years though if needed. But I don't understand the matrix of CPUs/mobos/sockets in the market right now yet either

$250-$350 is pretty much my limit for CPU I think. It will only be for UE5 dev and Maya, After Effects, Substance Painter. I will keep doing web dev on my iMac

[golden dirge]

Make your build in PCPartPicker.com then, does a lot of compatibility checking for you

[weary glacier]

Oh yeah the other thing I'm worried about is cooling. I don't understand that at all. Back when I used to build PCs when I was a kid you just slapped thermal paste on the CPU and a big fan, made sure the case had good air flow and you were good. I don't want to get into water cooling

I also don't want to hear a jet next to me. The iMac is awesome for that it's quiet

[golden dirge]

Air coolers are usually both faster and cooler, but Zen is a bit unpredictable with the heat

[spark vortex]

my graphics card (single fan 1660 super) runs hotter than my cpu ever has lol (ryzen 5 3600)

[golden dirge]

https://www.logicalincrements.com/

The noise would be fan quality and the fan settings, you can always just turn the fans down

[wind egret]

That's a 200 watt video card versus a 65/95 watt cpu?

[golden dirge]

TDP is not the only thing that affects heat

[spark vortex]

Its also kinda not fair since most gfx cards are 2 or 3 fan

never buy a single fan card

worse idea ever lol

[golden dirge]

CPUs are smol and hard to heat due to higher heat density

My 3080 pretty much always ran cooler than my 5800X 🤷‍♂️

[spark vortex]

weird eh

[weary glacier]

This looks amazing thanks

[wind egret]

High-end GPUs do have some beefy coolers these days. Those poor PCIE slots...

[spark vortex]

if i upgrade to a 30xx or 40xx I'm def getting a bracket to support the card lol

[golden dirge]

I'd skip the HDD entirely, just get SSDs, add more RAM too. CPU threads are always nice

[wind egret]

If it's not a prebuilt, your case might have come with a bracket already.

[spark vortex]

hmm ill have to check the cases shipping box, maybe i missed it during the build

also id add another ssd but my mobo (b550 phantom gaming 4 - asrock or w/e) has the 2nd ssd slot under the graphics card and that thing runs too hot at the moment to put an ssd under it haha

[golden dirge]

That's some galaxy brain shit yikes

[spark vortex]

ikr

ill probably switch off the board eventually but it has the new zen 4 socket -_-

[golden dirge]

Maybe a cool Gen2/Gen3 SSD with a nice copper heatsink or something might work

[spark vortex]

yeah eh

[golden dirge]

Or get a GPU riser 🙂

[spark vortex]

i should ngl

im gonna get some more ram first tho, im only at 16 gbs and i think thats barely enough for UE

[wind egret]

Most mobos I've seen put an m2 slot directly under the gpu. Torn whether that's better or worse than putting it on the back of the motherboard.

[golden dirge]

Especially if you touch C++. Compiling CPP with 1 thread is insulting to the soul

My one had two under MB-heatsinks, was good

The second one is under a GPU yeah, but who the heck uses a second GPU anyway

[spark vortex]

so fair lol

but yeah Ill probably upgrade RAM then storage and then maybe graphics card but ill probably also need a new power supply, esp if get a 40xx lol

cuz 16 gbs feels like the bottle neck knowing the rest of my build

and the 1660 super is a 6gb card VRAM wise so its decent

[wind egret]

Oh yes. 40xx series is going to want to use those 12 pin pcie connectors.

[spark vortex]

damn eh

thats finna be wild

I do want to swap out my gfx card sooner than later tho

earlier this year/last year I would get intermittent black screening issues that required a hard reset to get visuals back

it was wierd af

pretty sure its the graphics card as i tested the RAM, among other things

nothing about it in the windows logs

[golden dirge]

Black screen's usually RAM, maybe VRAM

But could be just about anything. Computers are hard

[spark vortex]

even weirder is that reseating the gfx card temporarily fixes the issue, and ever since i reseated it last it hasn't black screened.

yeah i know what you mean eh

i hate troubleshooting hardware issues lol

[spark vortex]

word, ill give that a shot. thanks Laura!

[weary glacier]

Looking into the Intel chips you basically need to do some dumb washer mod or buy a replacement mounting socket frame or your 12700 or 12900 will hit 100c and throttle on benchmarks -_- so dumb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb25vsNBQI

[spark vortex]

dafuq lol, shame on intel

[median marsh]

interesting, but overall probably only relevant for a small % of all sold cpu's

most people won't be bothered by that

[spark vortex]

When I got a laptop in 2013, intel was top dog. Now AMD is killing it, hard, with their processor game and I got a Ryzen when i built last.

[cinder latch]

dont forget that the mods also void ur warranty

[weary glacier]

Good point thanks. I'm looking at the 5950x now. Thinking Arctic Freezer II 420mm AIO for cooling. Then just have to decide on a case and motherboard

[spark vortex]

my ryzen 5 3600 never goes over 60 celsius and i have 4 case fans, no AIO

but my single fan 1660 super is the the temperature of the sun (at full load lol)

tho YMMV

[golden dirge]

When I SUGGESTED IT YOU LAGHED AT ME

I'm not mad, just butthurt

[spark vortex]

hes seen the light

xD

[weary glacier]

Lmao I had images of some crazy aquarium stuff but I guess these AIOs are pretty foolproof these days

[golden dirge]

420mm rad and a case to fit it both sound quite expensive. Don't dismiss a good air cooler if it lets you upgrade your GPU a tier, for example

Nah I mean the 5950X haha

[weary glacier]

I stand corrected though, you were right 😄

[golden dirge]

I was confused because it was like $100 off some CPUs you were talking about, but didn't want to be annoying haha

[weary glacier]

Oh yeah I was budget yesterday now I'm all in because I found I can do zero interest payment plan for 18 months lol

[golden dirge]

I'd check out the Dark Rock Pro 4 as well, for the CPU cooling

AIOs are better at sustained cooling, but UE is more bursty unless you are packaging constantly

[spark vortex]

I'm getting a new SSD for UE, but its gonna be under the graphics card as thats where the other M.2 slot is. Praying to the robot gods that the heatshielded version fits under the card lol.

[weary glacier]

I might do some dumb shit like compile Chromium

[golden dirge]

What MB?

[spark vortex]

I have a 1TB in the cart but i might do a 2TB one instead

[golden dirge]

I mean motherboard 🙂

[spark vortex]

ooo sorry

Asrock b550 phantom gaming 4

i bought it off a friend cuz he bought the wrong one for the processor he had (he had an AMD integrated graphics chip that the MB didn't support) and it fit my specs, but i didn't pick it per se as much as it was chosen for me xD

Its an aight board

not great, but its my first build so i dont have many points of comparison

i think the SSD has to be PCIe 4.0 4x tho cuz its the hyper m.2 slot thats empty on the MB

whereas the other m.2 slot supports PCIe Gen3 x2 and SATA3

but I mean this is kinda ideal, PCIe 4.0 4x is the newest/fastest coupling/connector eh?

[golden dirge]

Nah they're backwards compatible, doesn't matter much. If you get a Gen4 one, definitely give it the slot with the best cooling though

[spark vortex]

Hmm okay

I might have to just get a new GFX card sooner than later

cuz my current card runs insanely hot, like im talking 80 celsuis when running a Valheim server o.o

I honestly thought it would die by now lol

but its still chugging along

I guess we'll see lol

[serene dome]

5.0 is the latest (at least for Intel). AMD soon with Zen 4

[spark vortex]

I just dont like the idea of losing work cuz my card runs too hot/ends up frying the SSD

[spark vortex]

ah ok

[golden dirge]

None on sale yet, right?

[serene dome]

If we're talking about SSDs, none that uses PCIe 5.0 x4

[median marsh]

your gpu is your least problem, make backups ffs

[spark vortex]

do ya'll backup on an external hdd or is there source control that can handle huge projects lol?

[median marsh]

both

source control isn't backup

[spark vortex]

source control is more about keeping your code clean then?

[median marsh]

it's about keeping track of changes

and in case something didn't work as planned it's easier to rollback with source control rather than using a backup

[spark vortex]

ah yeah okay

[golden dirge]

You can do source control + backup, essentially just backup the server image and you're goods

[spark vortex]

hmm aight word

better safe than sorry

[upper goblet]

Good morning!

So my company is going to be buying a custom solution for unreal and are looking at a threadripper and a6000

i am aware unreal does not do multi gpu traditionally but i thought i saw somewhere that unreal can multiple utilize a6000 in NVLink

can anyone help find a resource that confirms this please?

https://www.awn.com/news/epic-games-releases-unreal-engine-426

this is the source i found stating this

and the RTX A series is the main NVLink capable card.

was curious if anyone used it yet

[astral musk]

That is for filming on led walls. One GPU will render the inner frustum (the part on camera) while the other renders the outer frustum (the part of the LED wall the camera is not looking at)

It takes a bit of work to get nDisplay to work properly with multiple gpus, but then again, it takes a bit of work to get nDisplay to work with LED volumes

[fallen oasis]

dx12 can do multi-gpu shenanigans, but it's not ue related specifically.

[upper goblet]

So if there a point of getting dual a6000 for realtime and rendering?

or is there a way to set it up as a render farm?

[astral musk]

If you are using a different rendering engine then yes.

But for real time within unreal, no point

[weary glacier]

Do I want to be on Windows 10 or 11 for UE5? Building a new box (AMD)

[golden dirge]

W11 is just fine. Everyone hates ${CurrentWindowsVersion} by default

Try it out and see if you hate it

[prime loom]

I usually skip every second version of Windows.

Win7 -> Win10 -> Win12

The ones inbetween tend to be worse in my experience lol

Vista -> Win8 -> Win11 (probably)

[north arch]

what about 8.1?

[weary glacier]

@golden dirge OK after 2 full days of research I've got my build ready, what do you think? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/By47GL

[golden dirge]

$1500 budget was a big ole bamboozle 😄

[weary glacier]

I also have Kryonaut thermal paste in the cart, and an anti-static bracelet for assembly. Will be using a large surge protector (no UPS). Not sure if I'm missing anything obvious or conflicts. I know the video card will be a tight fit in this case but in theory it should go together. The Meshify 2 Compact was chosen for space constraints, it's the only thing that will fit where I live

[golden dirge]

Do you care about noise much?

[weary glacier]

Kind of yeah

Crap I forgot I need a monitor too lol

[golden dirge]

CPU cooler picks:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/F3gzK8/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-4-505-cfm-cpu-cooler-bk022

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kNZzK8/alphacool-eisbaer-aurora-280-418-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-11729

[weary glacier]

Reason I picked out the Celsius S24 is it's a 240mm listed as compatible for top mount on the Meshify 2 Compact at the bottom of the page https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/meshify/meshify-2-compact-light-tempered-glass/gray/

[golden dirge]

Ohk the 280mm probably won't fit, GPU is too long

DR4 is sick though

[weary glacier]

I thought AIO might be better to keep heat away from the GPU. Really worried about the cooling for this GPU because apparently the Meshify 2 compact can create a dead air zone in the bottom under the GPU see this vid at timestamp https://youtu.be/aMpWo-fOiJ0?t=64

[golden dirge]

Are you going off just that video?

GPUs will draw in air when the fans are running, fans create negative pressure areas that the air flows in to

[weary glacier]

I saw some people on reddit complaining about this case + the massive GPUs giving disappointing heat results on benchmarks (one of them linked this vid)

[weary glacier]

Oh interesting

[golden dirge]

I had the Lancool, and you get intake fans at the bottom if you want to spice it up

PSUs actually push air into the case too, since there's a holey bottom normally

Oh yeah, Meshify can have a bottom fan too if you remove the HDD cage (lol)

Who the fuck uses an HDD right?

[weary glacier]

Not me after learning about nvme and their current prices (never used one before)

[golden dirge]

Yeah it's a small gap for insanely improved performance, I don't get it. I do stream most media so don't need TBs of porn anime or whatever storage though

[weary glacier]

Hrm so maybe I should considering air cooling instead of AIO? The price is about the same

[golden dirge]

BTW there's also the RGB Celsius+, think it may be just a tiny bit warmer and louder but not a biggie either way

[weary glacier]

I don't care about looks it will be in a corner near my feet

If anything I find RGB distracting

[golden dirge]

I'd go for the Dark Rock Pro 4 personally, but depends on what you're going for I guess

[weary glacier]

I'm not even sure what the tradeoffs are, other than air being simpler and more reliable. I guess in theory AIO would be cooler and move the hot air further from the GPU?

[golden dirge]

BTW I couldn't recommend the Thermal ToughFan enough, they're solid as fuck

They are Noctua-ish in design I think. Turn the max speed down a little, get a lot of airflow and quite a pleasant, low fan hum

[weary glacier]

Oh like to slap one of those on the bottom you mean for more GPU cooling?

[golden dirge]

It's like scooter brap vs a V8 engine idling

Yup, and would blend into the case too, much black

And you may want top fans too, if you aren't getting an AIO

[weary glacier]

Would the top fans blow into the case, or pull out?

[golden dirge]

You could probably go 120mm at the bottom and 2x140mm top

Out usually

So intakes front and bottom, exhaust back and top. It's like roughly diagonal air flow

You have to figure out the air pressure too, if you live in a high dust environment especially

[weary glacier]

Yeah I'll be leaving the dust shields on front and bottom (can't remember if top has one too) even though it will sacrifice airflow a bit

[golden dirge]

You want the balance being positive pressure inside to prevent heaps of dust going in, but that's less of a concern with filters and all

[golden dirge]

PS the only RGB I enjoy is CPU load meters haha. I've got my laptop changing from red to green at CPU usage thresholds. Compiling C++ feels so satisfying

[weary glacier]

That sounds pretty awesome actually

[golden dirge]

PS @weary glacier https://videocardz.com/newz/pro-hi-tech-chinese-gpu-supplier-to-receive-nvidia-geforce-rtx-40-cards-in-less-than-a-month

[weary glacier]

I heard about this next gen stuff coming out within a month or two, for both CPU and GPU. My thoughts were if I get the current gen at least I have a couple year's worth of reports from people about all their teething problems, plus I can get started on serious Unreal dev earlier. I also read that the new video cards will have massive power requirements, which might not help cooling in this mid tower setup

The power requirements are why I picked the 6900 xt instead of 6950 xt. I got scared about heat

[golden dirge]

Gen to gen they always get more efficient per W, you can always undervolt a bit and lose some performance but gain a lot of efficiency still

I wouldn't worry about CPU, but GPUs seem to be close to the next gen releases, and the stock situation should be much better now

But yeah, always hard when waiting costs you progress on things you want to do

[weary glacier]

Yeah plus I have to buy all this crap at once to get it all on a payment plan

[weary glacier]

That's interesting though

Well if I get an Unreal job maybe I can get my employer to buy me a new card then 😄

If I can't get a game dev job within like 4-5 months I'm going to have to go back to web dev

[golden dirge]

IDK if I'd ever be able to get a job in games lol. Too used to that 7.5 hour day and GTFO, and no commercial game experience

[spark vortex]

check art stations jobs board, theres tons of postings on there

[golden dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/money-crying-woody-harrelson-wiping-tears-with-money-gif-6945518

[spark vortex]

honestly tho if im being fair, the only reason i can try the indie dev route is cuz I live at my parents still, and have some monthly income from disability (from a prior mental health thing)

[golden dirge]

Taking this to #lounge

[weary glacier]

Any ideas on what to get for a 27" monitor? Will be doing Maya, Photoshop, Substance Painter, UE5

[rotund mist]

Does anyone have a Dark Rock Pro 4? I want to upgrade my rams, currently have 2x8gb Vengeance RGB Pro and it was a bit painful to install them even with the front fan adjustment. I was thinking about selling these corsair rams and buy a G.Skill Aegis 2x16gb kit, because they are smaller in height and i don't really need any RGB tbh.

[brazen sand]

I love my Dell S2721DGF. It goes on sale pretty regularly and it's on sale on Dell's website right now. It's IPS and 165hz, the color is fantastic too.

[weary glacier]

What are people using for automated backups? I'm getting 2x 2TB nvme and will be using Windows 11 Education. On Mac I used Time Machine and it worked well. Was thinking maybe I should get a 2TB or 4TB sata SSD for backups of either 1 or 2 of those nvmes, to backup everything or maybe just crucial project files stored on one of those nvme drives

[golden dirge]

I don't 🤔 I have a Perforce server that backs up to an external drive though, but that's a Linux laptop upstairs

[weary glacier]

OK the deed is done, everything should be here in 7-10 days

Thanks for all your help man! I was totally lost a few days ago lol

[golden dirge]

Fuck yeah, have fun! For the lols download Valley of the Ancient on your current CPU, and time how long it takes to compile shares with it vs the new one!

Only about 100GB SMH, so dramatic

Just a cheeky overnight blob of fun

[median marsh]

you can fix them with a strong magnet

[golden dirge]

the 145 working sectors?

[kind shore]

Is the Ryzen 9 5900 good enough when it comes to Unreal or should i really pay ~150€ more for the 5950 ?

(Ignoring the next gen CPU's as i don't wanna buy a new MB / DDR5 RAM)

[golden dirge]

5950X is 15-25% faster in multi-threaded workloads, and about the same in single-threaded ones. Is that worth it for you?

• assuming you can cool it

[kind shore]

Well yeah, i guess the extra 150€ is worth it just due to all shader which have to compile and similar

[golden dirge]

Time is money! More time spent waiting, is less time to do the things you want to do. Like eat ice-cream.

[kind shore]

Maybe if the RNG is with us the 5950 will drop even more once the next gen is out

Or well, the 5950 didn't really dropped, but the 5900 did by like 50€

[opaque pond]

Oh i think I forgot to ask if my laptop can handle unreal

Well it has a ryzen 5 8gb of ram and like 200gb storage

[mental jolt]

https://docs.unrealengine.com/5.0/en-US/hardware-and-software-specifications-for-unreal-engine/

[opaque pond]

Well I think i match the minimum specs

Tho will it run good?

[mental jolt]

Try it out

[opaque pond]

well

its not a small download

its like 150-180 gb

[kind shore]

That would only make it slightly better as it would be "only" a new MB xD

Besides that i'd like to stay with the AMD + AMD combo

Well yeah, the gain from SAM is not that big atm, but i can imagine that it will be only better in the future

[opaque pond]

well looks like a desktop 1050ti can somewhat be bearable

so how far away would mine be from that 🤔

[kind shore]

So can i do SAM with a AMD GPU and a Intel CPU ?

Well, good to know

[opaque pond]

oh i guess its a bit too far away

[sinful gazelle]

Ok I'm looking to buy 3090Ti. There's Asus and Gigabyte for 1,7k€ and Zotac for 1,5k€. Which one would you go for? Whatever I buy I try to buy Asus if I can as I've never had bad experience before. But I'm leaning towards Zotac purely because it's much cheaper but is there any difference in manufacturers here? Your experiences?

I also have 850W psu which from what I found online is a bottom limit for 3090Ti though I'm skeptical and think it may not be enough for high end rendering.

[golden dirge]

Good PSUs can spike far higher than rated for, for short durations. I was just fine with a 750W IIRC for my 3080, which is about 100W or so off the 3090Ti

[sinful gazelle]

https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/Categories/Products/Power-Supply-Units/hxi-series-config/p/CP-9020073-EU
I have this one. I always go for a more quality PSU in case I need to upgrade a thing or two.

[shy edge]

I have a 3090FE. When I installed it, I was using a Corsair HX 850w PSU that would shut down the PC (Ryzen 9 5950x on an X570 Aorus Master board) on high transient spikes (heavy action in a game, heavy renders, extended benchmarks, etc) even though it was above the recommended specs on the box. I replaced it with an EVGA 1000GT and have zero issues since. YMMV

Regarding brands, I used a Zotac 2080ti AMP prior to getting the 3090 and it works flawlessly. Customer service was prompt and courteous when I asked about whether it would void their warranty to install the waterblock. They were fine with it. I'd use them again.

[sinful gazelle]

That's what I'm afraid of as I had this situation in my previous rig. I guess I'll have to up my PSU, it's only going to go up from here anyways in the future. The only hesitation I have is freaking cable management all over again lol.

[sinful gazelle]

Yeah that would definitely run on a lower point of efficiency with that gpu then. I already brought 1200W so I don't need to bother upgrading for a while.

[fallen oasis]

So you're getting about 760W out of it as peak capacity.

That's not so awful.

It only dips slightly above 50

By 2% in fact. "Ideally" can go to hell.

[sinful gazelle]

my cpu alone does circa 350watts on high load so I'm on a really tight spot with this psu

[fallen oasis]

What cpu do you have?

I find that hard to believe

[sinful gazelle]

Ryzen 9 3950x

that's on highest load limit from what I searched, on average it's around 100-150ish

Could be that data is wrong tho

[shy edge]

my 5950x only hits 161w running cinebench r23 according to Ryzen Master with PBO enabled. 350w seems unreachable unless overclocking the snot out of it.

[sinful gazelle]

Got this on quick google, by looking up further yeah it's totally incorrect

[golden dirge]

I don't think that's how it works. It will still deliver 850W, but it will consume more power to deliver that.

PSUs can draw more at the wall than they are rated for, over sustained periods. I'm guessing that just a product of (in)effciency

[fallen oasis]

Okay, so it's consuming 940W

If your power requirements at 850W then buying a 1800W psu will drop that to like 925W

Wow

[golden dirge]

TBF this is a top tier PSU, the non-Plat ones are... worse

Sometimes a lot worse

But 50% -> 100% is a few percentage points usually. Not enough to offset the massive increase in price just to draw 50% capacity vs 90% or whatever, all else benig equal

[fallen oasis]

I think I have a gold.

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13494/cold1.png

Loses 2% efficiency above half power.

[median marsh]

i would just test the 850 one, worst case OPP kicks in and shuts off your computer

OPP 1028.35W (120.98%)

so it can provide ~1kW for your transient spikes 😛

[golden dirge]

Maybe eventually you'll be able to buy a PSU just for your GPU, so you can upgrade the GPU half of your build by itself.

[median marsh]

dont even think about that

you'll most likely fry your pc when you hook up 2 different PSUs

they need at LEAST a common ground

[spark vortex]

frick always price shop, almost bought an SSD off newegg for like 80 dollars more than amazon lol

same model and size etc etc

[inner plaza]

Hi guys.
So I started up somewhat of a game studio (it's actually more broad than that, a software company) and I work on client's projects during the day and my own games in my down time.

So my use cases for this laptop I'm going to buy are quite wide (at the moment a desktop is not a great option). I am taking my time and going to do the art, sound, possibly more video editing than I do now, and programming (really no rush to market, the money comes from freelancing).

Anyway it seems like unreal / unity dont need a ton of vram from what I read. I've heard of it using a ton of ram though.

Here's my two choices and I'd like to hear from some industry pros which laptop they'd prefer out of these two:

i7-12700H / 64 gb ram / 1.5 tb ssd / rtx 3060 6 gb
r9-5900HX / 32 gb ram / 1 tb ssd / rtx 3080 16 gb

[inner plaza]

3060 has 6gb and the 3080 has 16gb

I'm 99.99% sure the seller can go to 64 gigs of ram but they way their online store works is they just have a few presets and if you need custom just ask

[worldly olive]

So I bought a 5900X, they sent me a 5950X. Not complaining

I told Amazon support about it, they just closed the ticket and sent me a survey asking if my problem was taken care of. No problem so I guess it's a done deal. Maybe stock on 5900X is low and they just sent it?

[dense phoenix]

Hello, what is the best 2022 build for UE5? plz

[fallen oasis]

The best?

You got 50 grand to spend?

[dense phoenix]

what is grand?

[fallen oasis]

The point is, you can always get better if you pay more.

The returns start to become less and less.

[unkempt pelican]

Are the requirements for ue4 lower than ue5?

[hoary urchin]

I have a 16-core i9, 64 GB DDR5 RAM, 3090 GPU, multiple NVMe SSDs.

It seems to work well. I'd love more RAM, but 128 GB DDR5 is currently pretty hard to get. Definitely don't get less than 64 GB if you are compiling stuff often. To use 16 physical cores you need 64 GB of RAM.

[dim pewter]

I've noticed just how much if loves RAM.
My company-provided laptop, an Alienware M15, 11th Gen I7, RTX3070 and 16Gb ram, struggles to do anything in unreal, let alone attempt to compile the Lyra Starter game.
Minimum 40GB ram I've found is needed to do anything in reasonable time, and the more cores the better it'll run.

[unkempt pelican]

Is this what engine scalability settings do? Or do I have to change something else?

[hoary urchin]

I have a laptop with 64 GB of RAM and it works decently well. With only 16 GB you can only probably run 2 concurrent compilers.

[dim pewter]

Oh I'll totally agree!
They've seen how crappily it's been running and are organising a new desktop machine.

Yeah, it's okay for most things, but not quite enough for this role

[dense phoenix]

So 3090ti is recommended ?

[dim pewter]

What I've found interesting, is since my machine couldn't cope, I've been doing the compiling on an AWS instance.
48 core, 96GB RAM, and it'll happily max out all 48 cores, using 48 processes, but never seems to jump over 30GB of RAM usage.

[dense phoenix]

What do you recommend ?

It's for to do environment design stuff map etc... and yeah probably gaming

[woven geyser]

I just recently did a build that cost around $2k and works great for UE5 with a Ryzen 9 5950x, 32gb ram, Nvidia 3060 and 1TB NVMe storage but I’m a gameplay engineer and my need are going to be different than yours

[fickle burrow]

I cant decide what to do. I could either buy a 3080/3090 now or wait for the 4xxx series. OR i could buy a cheap 2080 and keep it until i get my hands on a 4080 or something probably next year. 2080 would still be a decent upgrade from my old vega 56.. 🤔

[median marsh]

i would wait for next gen and try to get a 3090 "cheap"

mainly because of the 24GB video memory

from what i've read so far nvidia doesn't increase vram much on 4xxx series

[fallen oasis]

I would go 64gb of memory if you want to be comfortable in UE5

[fickle burrow]

that sounds like a smart option too. will be hard to wait tho, who knows when the new gpus show up. saw a 2080 for around 300 bucks used just now, might just get that in the meantime 😄

[median marsh]

sounds like a good deal if the card works fine

[fickle burrow]

aye. it seems like i could break even if selling my vega too, surprisingly. might be hard to sell tho, dont see any reason people would want that

[spark vortex]

frick I bought 2x 8GB sticks of RAM to bump it up to 32GB (4x 8GB sticks total) and its due to arrive tommorow but now I'm looking at the mobo manual/manufactures QVL list again and Idk if its even gonna run -_-

I might need to get 2x 32gb sticks

their fairly cheap for 3200 mhz ddr4 tho

[median marsh]

it might run, the QVL list is more like a help for buying working sticks

90% of the time it just works fine, 10% of the time it works if you reduce clock speed/timings

[spark vortex]

Alright thats a little relieving lol, I'll test it in the morning anyway so no use worrying bout it

[fallen oasis]

As long as the new sticks you bought are the exact same specs as the old, you should be okay.

[median marsh]

"same specs"

it went from specs to adverting them with their XMP Profile "specs"

at least rarely seeing jedec standard in the product title

[boreal remnant]

Hey, I didn't notice this channel existed, so I've already asked this question in general. But I'm asking here again just to be sure. Is a Lenovo Legion 5 Pro good enough for basic/mid/mid-high level UE work?

Rtx 3070
Ryzen 7
32 gb
2tb SSD
8 gb VRAM

[kind shore]

Ryzen 7 really doesn't say much xD

But it's also important to know whenever you'd work with Blueprints or C++

[boreal remnant]

Oh okay... It's 5800h octa core

Does that help?

[kind shore]

It does, but also that ^

[boreal remnant]

I'd need to with UE right?

[astral musk]

8 core is about the lowest I'd consider going these days, just for shader compile times

[boreal remnant]

I don't really know much about this, I'm trying to get my first piece of hardware that I can learn UE on. And make it at least a little bit future proof

[boreal remnant]

Is there a laptop with more cores for around the same price?

[astral musk]

it should be fine, you just wont want to try high end projects

[kind shore]

It's just that if you write a project with a lot of C++ files it really makes sense to aim for 12/16 cores on the CPU

[boreal remnant]

I found a legion for 1300-1600 btw

[kind shore]

Also generally for shaders and co more core's wouldn't harm while less core's can really harm

[boreal remnant]

Are cores the no. 1 most important thing for ue, over ram and graphics?

[kind shore]

Everything matters somehow

[boreal remnant]

Because I found a 14 core laptop but it's got rtx 3060

[kind shore]

The best GPU wont bring you much if you have a really bad CPU

Just as it doesn't give you much when you have the best GPU and CPU while having 8gb RAM

[boreal remnant]

Fair enough

Do you have any laptop recommendations?

[astral musk]

CPU is how fast things compile, GPU is how much you can put on screen and how fast your FPS will be, and RAM is how many things you can have open at a time

[kind shore]

I couldn't recommend laptops for unreal at all if you don't have 10k€ to spend 😹

[astral musk]

to be overly simple

[boreal remnant]

Everyone keeps telling me to buy a pc but I really need a laptop..

I would if I could

[astral musk]

laptop is fine, just dont expect to be doing the Matrix city sample.

[north arch]

desktop+laptop for remote access to desktop?

[boreal remnant]

That's some high level thinking

[north arch]

budget-wise it's not always doable, and internet-wise it could be a challenge

[boreal remnant]

Are the laptop names mentioned here?

How do I find a laptop with these exact same specs? Is there some tech website you can just plug them into and get models?

No worries, this helped a lot. Thanks for the specs

Just one last question. Are these the best possible specs for a laptop below 2000$?

[astral musk]

spec'ing laptops is somewhat difficult because there are so many unrelated variables, (screen type, resolution, refresh rate, battery size, system weight and size, each manufactures markup, etc). but try to get as many CPU cores as you can find (8 at the minimum, with 32GB ram, and the best video card you can find.

[boreal remnant]

What's the best video card I can get?

[astral musk]

I think laptops max out at 3080 Ti? could be wrong

I should have said, the best video card you can afford

because even at 2000, you probably wont find a system with a 3080 Ti

[boreal remnant]

Well it's probably the 3070 for me. The legion 5 is already stretching my budget

The legion 7 has 3080, but it's 2400$. I don't know if it's worth it to spend that much

[astral musk]

as long as you dont want to go high end in Unreal, then you'll be fine

[boreal remnant]

Yeah I just want something that doesn't make the learning experience frustrating, that I can use to make at least some good-quality work

I'm not trying to compete with ILM or anything, I just want a laptop that I can use UE on to a reasonable extent

[astral musk]

I learned Unreal on a laptop 15 year ago, you'll be fine.

yeah, dont open the city sample on a laptop

I mean, it opens to a warning message about you need high end stuff before it even loads the level

at least 8 GB of VRAM * (assuming the driver doesn't crash) 😂

[boreal remnant]

is an intel i7-12700H better than an amd ryzen 7 5800H?

[boreal remnant]

too late

why isn't it reliable?

wow, this rabbit hole keeps getting deeper. 2 days ago I didn't know what a gpu was. Now I'm reading articles explaining the difference between nvme and raid0 ssds and watching videos shitting on userbenchmark

isn't rain0 unreliable...because of striping or something

[astral musk]

my suggestion. if you dont know what raid is. dont use it

I know what raid is, and I still dont use it

just use good backups

[boreal remnant]

who even uses raid0 then

oh okay, not for real world use then

[north arch]

corporate fileserver and database uses are not real world?

[boreal remnant]

in the sense that it's not something I'll ever have to worry about

[astral musk]

they are shopping for a laptop, so they have no real world use for it

[north arch]

true

[boreal remnant]

is it worth spending 300$ more for an rtx 3070ti over an rtx3070?

[astral musk]

if you are sacrificing RAM or CPU cores, then no

[boreal remnant]

by limits you mean watts right?

what spec do I look at to see what the limits are? They're both lenovo legion 5 pros

what's a good site for that?

also one of thems a ryzen 7 6800H+3070ti, the others ryzen 7 5800H+3070

okay, ty

[astral musk]

6800H is also a newer CPU, so you are likely paying more for that too

[boreal remnant]

a better cpu and graphics card for an extra 300$ seems like a pretty good deal, ig

[astral musk]

https://www.techspot.com/review/2487-amd-ryzen-6800h/

[boreal remnant]

I dunno, watching a video

the i7 12700h would definitely be better in that case, since I think it has 14 cores. But the 5i pro is soo expensive

okay, so correct me if I'm wrong but the actual performance you get out of your gpu is based on the wattage

[north arch]

not true

in general, compute and shader model versions, architrcture, cores, memory and core speeds, amount of vram, etc all play a huge part

a decent comparison is flops

an older generation is often less efficient in flops/watt and with a less effective instruction set (shader/compute model) than newer generations, and are objectively worse despite higher power dissipation

[boreal remnant]

often, not always?

[north arch]

in the case of nvidia, the internal layout of the silicon (warps and kernels in CUDA parlance) matters too, and which is better depends on the task you're performing

[north arch]

often because I haven't done enough comparison to say always, but I haven't seen a comparison to the contrary

but among same generation, same manufacturer, same architecture, more tdp is typically more capable

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units

[boreal remnant]

what is tdp?

[north arch]

total dissipated power

[boreal remnant]

is that like how much heat it can lose how quickly?

[north arch]

basically power in but not technically so because a tiny fraction of that goes into the actual entropy change of flipping a bit

the difference being so tiny as to be an academic distinction at best

[boreal remnant]

so if the difference is so tiny, why does tdp matter?

and this changes from manufacturer to manufacturer, for the exact same card?

[north arch]

the difference between dissipated and input power, not the difference between models

when considering same generation and architecture, yep!

[boreal remnant]

okay, how is this power limit calculated and where can I find it so that I can compare the same card from diff manufacturers?

[north arch]

laptops don't really get dedicated cards, it's the chip from a desktop gpu soldered straight to the motherboard with custom cooling and various design-based limits, with very rare exceptions

[boreal remnant]

really? I don't know much but I'm p sure it's dedicated

only dedicated gpus have separate vrams right? or is that incorrect

[north arch]

by dedicated, I mean a seperate card

architecturally it still has it's own ram

falcon northwest used to build laptops with desktop cards in them

[boreal remnant]

integrated graphics cards use the system ram, dedicated ones use their own cpu and ram

is that right?

or did I understand it wrong

[astral musk]

integrated graphics are built into the CPU and use system ram. dedicated GPUs are their own chip

[north arch]

discrete use their own

[boreal remnant]

and the separate ram for dedicated gpus is called vram, yes?

[north arch]

yes

[dim pewter]

yes

[boreal remnant]

so any graphics card with a vram would automatically be dedicated

then the legion laptop deifintely has a dedicated gpu

is there any reason why?

or is it just one of those weird things

[dim pewter]

Pretty much if it's an Nvidia or AMD GPU in a laptop then it's more than likely dedicated, if it's Intel graphics then it's more than likely integrated. (Side case being Intel is coming out with dedicated cards).

[astral musk]

AMD and intel offer both integrated and dedicated now

[boreal remnant]

I see

by the way, I just wanna say thanks for answering all my noob questions you guys

I really appreciate it

[north arch]

(and the difference between dissipated power and consumed power is somewhat explained by the landauer principle: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer's_principle, but basically energy is used both as switching and dc losses (dissipated as heat) and entropic changes, the vast minority of the energy involved, for those curious)

[boreal remnant]

Can you load 64gb ram into a laptop that only has a max limit of 32gb? A friend told me that you can, but it just doesn't recognise the extra gbs

[astral musk]

it doesn't really work like that

[boreal remnant]

how does it work then?

[dim pewter]

if it's unsupported then it likely won't even POST/boot up.
Keep to what the manufacturer says the maximum is in the technical documentation

[boreal remnant]

ok

[astral musk]

or do you mean, you have 32gb installed, and your applications are trying to use 64gb?

i've never seen a laptop with a max limit of 32gb

[boreal remnant]

no I mean the laptop specs say max upgradable to 32, and I try to slot in 2x32 for 64 gb

[dim pewter]

It's not supported, so it's not likely to work.
There's the slightest possibility it would, but if you're wanting more than 32GB, then I'd purchase a laptop that you know for sure supports more than 32GB

[north arch]

why would you even try? for comparable timings and clock rates, 64gb will be a lot more expensive than 32gb

[boreal remnant]

is cpu processor speed a huge deal? I have an amd ryzen 7 5800h with 3.2ghz, and an intel i7-12700h with 2.3ghz. The i7 has 14 cores compared to the ryzen's 8

[boreal remnant]

I'm just checking

[boreal remnant]

yeah it seems like it wouldn't be worth the risk. I'll probably stick to 32 gb then. Thanks

[boreal remnant]

the i7 seems to be better than the ryzen 7 generally, but the processor speeds are weird

[dim pewter]

I'd definitely have 32GB as a minimum, my current work laptop (Alienware M15) only has 16GB and struggles far too much with the most simple tasks in UE5. Combined with the 11th gen Intel I7 Processor, it's just a struggle.
32GB + the 12th Gen I7 in that machine you're talking about would be an improvement over what I have for sure

[boreal remnant]

yep pretty much every review for the legion 5 is 'great laptop but the ram sucks'

[dim pewter]

32GB would still be good though. More than likely enough.

[boreal remnant]

how come you use a laptop and not a desktop though?

[dim pewter]

New role at the company, they weren't sure what to get me (Only been here less than a month), but they're going to order a desktop for me shortly since this can't handle the work.

I'm not actually a developer either, so don't need the power as often, but as the DevOps engineer I'm still building and testing stuff quite often, so the slow down does waste a lot of time

[boreal remnant]

I was hoping I'd find someone who made a laptop work lol but that's fair 💀

[dim pewter]

It would work, but since it's a previous generation it's a struggle sometimes. If it was 12th gen with more cores, and double the memory it would probably be okay. But as it is when compiling it's maxing everything out, and sounds like a jetplane, and gets very hot

[boreal remnant]

yep overheating's the worst...sitting there thinking about my super-expensive delicate harware getting baked like a cake isn't a great feeling

[dim pewter]

Yeah, if you're going to get a laptop, try get one of the fan-cooling pads as well.

[boreal remnant]

do you have any idea about this? I can't really figure it out.

[boreal remnant]

I read a review that said fan cooling pads are a scam. I think the guy did a temp test and the cooling pads weren't really doing much

don't know if he was just using low quality cooling pads though

[dim pewter]

tech specs of the i7 12700h shows it as up to 4.7GHz on turbo?
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/132228/intel-core-i712700h-processor-24m-cache-up-to-4-70-ghz.html

[astral musk]

clock sppeds are complicated, there is base, boost, turbo, etc

[boreal remnant]

says 2.3 here

[astral musk]

and amd/intel define them differently

[boreal remnant]

bruhhh

what's the point of having units of measurement then

[dim pewter]

I have a cooling pad for my Plex server at home, which is a Dell XPS15, without the pad it was constantly at 100c and throttling, with the pad it sits around 80c, so definitely makes a difference, and only a $20 cooling pad too

[dim pewter]

got a link?

[boreal remnant]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-Legion-5-Pro-16-Laptop-Intel-Core-i7-12700H-Nvidia-GeForce-RTX-3070-16GB-RAM-1TB-SSD-Windows-11-Home-Storm-Grey-82RF00DBUS/761504447

[astral musk]

also the 12700k has two different types of cores opperating at differnt speeds. 2.3 is probably the lower power E-cores

[boreal remnant]

how does that help performance?

[astral musk]

the system can shift background tasks to the efficiency cores saving on power/heat and letting important tasks use the performance cores

[north arch]

make sure the pad's fans line up with the laptop vents and blow the right way for the laptop (bottom input vs bottom exhaust, for example)

I've had both issues

[dim pewter]

12th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-12700H Processor (E-cores up to 3.50 GHz P-cores up to 4.70 GHz)
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/legion-laptops/legion-5-series/legion-5i-pro-gen-7-(16-inch-intel)/82s00004us?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F

Official lenovo site says otherwise compared to walmart

[boreal remnant]

isn't that a different model though? it says 3050ti. Or does that not make a difference?

the walmart one is 3070

[dim pewter]

So many different models, their site is annoying, but it's the same processor 🤷‍♂️

[astral musk]

3.5 and 4.7 are boost clock. the base clock is lower

[dim pewter]

Yup, and I don't believe intel do a 12700H with a max clock of 2.3Ghz, so I'd assume walmart just listed the lowest clock of the E-Core 🤔

[boreal remnant]

welp I'll trust the manufacturer over walmart I guess

[boreal remnant]

does that mean 'heavy' tasks can only utilize the P cores?

[astral musk]

so if you are playijng a game, the game will use the Performance cores. while background windows tasks will be pushed to the Efficiency cores

[boreal remnant]

but the game itself won't ever use the E cores

[astral musk]

it could. Windows controlls what goes where

[boreal remnant]

I ask because there are 6 P cores in the 12700H compared to the 8 on the ryzen 7 5800h. Does that mean that technically I get more cores in the ryzen for heavy lifting?

[boreal remnant]

but if it does there's a performance drop because of the lower processor speed?

is it better to have 8 cores with a high processor speed, or 14 cores only 6 of which have a high processor speed?

[astral musk]

could go either way. this is litterally the first time a CPU has attempted this kind of configuration. you'd need to look at benchmarks. like the ones I linked you. to see how it plays out in real life

[boreal remnant]

the benchmarks say the i7 is better, but I'm just trying to understand it

[astral musk]

its just not that simple. it depends on how each specific software handles p/e cores

[spark vortex]

my new RAM and NVMe has arrived

pls pray to RNGesus that my mobo recognizes the RAM

[dim pewter]

Generally the more you can give it the better. I'm currently Compiling the Lyra starter game on a 48 Core Xeon, and it's maxing that out. The more cores Memory, and power you give it, the faster it'll go, but it'll still do it either way, just might take a while. This same demo game on my laptop takes over an hour, if it even compiles at all due to the memory issues, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Here it's using all 48 cores at 100% and over 40GB of RAM. But I also had it building on an 8 core with 32GB ram, just took almost an hour.

[wicked orbit]

There is liquid cooling on the front of the case, which do you think provides better air circulation? blue one entering air red one leaving air

liquid cooling only fits in the front

let's not do the one on the right ?

[wicked orbit]

Doesn't evacuating hot air over liquid cooling increase the temperature of the processor? @iron zenith

liquid cooling is on the front in both pictures @iron zenith

hmm i will try now

[meager skiff]

!stream

[cinder latch]

the best is in through front/bottom, out through back/top

which is the left one

[fallen oasis]

The hot air will be pushed up by the denser cold air, so if you suck it in from the top, you're sucking in hotter air.

(so, yes, I agree)

[median marsh]

wonder which case that is

if you got space for 2 fans on the top, you usually also have space for an 240mm AIO?

[wind egret]

If it's just one (240mm AIO), I imagine the gpu isn't water cooled.

[median marsh]

poor gpu then

maybe rather draw fresh air from the bottom

[wind egret]

The only way the gpu exhausts its hot air is having it pushed away by the front fans. Mediocre if it's warm air coming from an AIO, but better than nothing.

[median marsh]

it's not ideal, but some cases have place for 2 fans there, so if the case stands on flat ground it works, too

[wind egret]

Though a two fan AIO for a CPU might not be that warm, depending on the CPU.

[median marsh]

yea, depends on the CPU/load i guess

usually probably makes more sense to watercool the gpu rather than the cpu

the cpu by default has a good spot for aircooling in most cases

[storm tulip]

~stream

[blazing ferry]

basic physics would tell you the right one is the worst option since u won't get any cold/fresh air in. the left one is the better option maybe even sucking in from the left too

[median marsh]

just mount the AIO on top, put the fans outside and some duct tape to seal it

or try overpressure in the case, and dont use fans at the AIO, but make it basically the only way for air to get out of the case

who said to push warm air on the mainboard?

yea

well, but even "warm" airflow is better than no airflow

specially for passive cooled components like chipsets/vrm

also kind of hilarious how AIO doesn't utilize the best heat dispenser at all

got a whole case out of metal which conducts heat fabulous, and then pretty much zero surface area from the radiator to the case

[boreal remnant]

hey just had a general tech question

are two ram sticks with the exact same specs but from diff manufacturers the same?

is there a brand that makes 'the best' ram sticks and ssds?

[wicked orbit]

I did the one on the left. Because it made more sense to me. Easier to evacuate the cold air from the front from the top. Because the hot air condenses and becomes lighter so that it is transferred out more easily from the top and back.

I can't place the radiator on the top of the case, it hits the memory

[median marsh]

even if you use a slimmer fan?

or a smaller one with adapter

[cinder latch]

they are "the same", but they might not behave the same when they are in your board, so it is recommended to buy the same sticks from the same brand

[boreal remnant]

oh okay, ty

[spark vortex]

has anyone set up a server for multiplayer (the server that doesn't have a player host, i forget its name)? afaik its mostly custom setups depending upon the game, but are there any general rules of thumb for what to expect in terms of num. of servers and hardware requirements for say, a battle royale style game with 10,000 concurrent players?

[fallen oasis]

Dedicated server

10,000 players on the same server or across all servers?

[spark vortex]

across all servers

maybe games of 50 or 100 players

[fallen oasis]

Just checking heh.

[spark vortex]

appreciate it

[fallen oasis]

I doubt you'll get too many of those per instance

[spark vortex]

hmm

[fallen oasis]

Depends on tick rate and stuff as well

[spark vortex]

I see, okay good to know. Ill keep that in mind.

[blissful heath]

Hello, I'm new to discord and I'm here to get the answer about an issue which deprives to use UE4, here it is https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/what-is-the-last-version-of-ue-that-supports-directx-11-with-10-1-feature-lvl-and-shader-model-4-1/609786

if I am not in the right section please tell me

Thank you in advance !

[blissful heath]

sorry but what "dx10 potato" means ?

[shy edge]

old PC hardware

[blissful heath]

I'm not really sure if my PC is old but if you need infos about...

[shy edge]

is the screenshot from the thread you posted above yours?

[blissful heath]

yes

[shy edge]

Try what Laura posted above. That GPU is a mobile business class chip from mid-2010 so your experience will probably not be very good with your hardware.

[blissful heath]

one last question : is it worth to learn UE4.22 ?

ok because I want to create games a little like Crash Bandicoot 4 merged with Sonic Forces in term of power and graphism

so i'm wondering if it's sufficient

thank you

[north arch]

It always takes more resources to make a game well than to play the same game. Also crash bandicoot did some very low-level hackery to work well, if memory serves (much like the quake 3 lighting reflection sorcery)

[north arch]

https://youtu.be/izxXGuVL21o
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/09/war-stories-how-crash-bandicoot-hacked-the-original-playstation/

https://betterexplained.com/articles/understanding-quakes-fast-inverse-square-root/

yes, it breaks types, it's amusing

[karmic trout]

Will UE5 run as good as UE4 on most decent PCs on this setup?

[fallen oasis]

Should be alright.

[boreal remnant]

Hello, is it worth upgrading my laptop to 64 gb ram instead of 32?

[median marsh]

isn't there any mainboard with integrated wifi available?

ASUS Prime B660M-A WIFI D4

price difference here is ~$20, so cheaper than the extra card

and why is there no brand name for the PSU/SSD?

[cinder latch]

its buildredux i believe, which is a company that builds pcs

so probably because the psu/ssd suck

[median marsh]

yea really looks like what's on buildredux

thats some fun stuff for lorash and co 😄 according to the linus video they have a 600W PSU with an 3080 😄

[karmic trout]

Yes, I screenshoted from that website. It's their "BEST" setup. Is it bad?

[fallen oasis]

If they aren't giving brand names, probably.

If there are no specifics on brands and model numbers, avoid it.

Not even a brand on the gfx card. Nice

[north arch]

I had some issues with them... My girlfriend's PC was a week late, mine though... for a couple months they were lying to me, saying "it'll ship next week" every time I contacted them. I FINALLY got the truth: my selected GPU was backordered, I can downgrade for just a little more or upgrade for a lot more. I finally got them to honor the GPU price at the date I placed the order, they missed one more ship date, I cancelled and bought an alienware that showed up in a week.

they make good-looking PCs though, with good cooling

I ordered the two minutes apart

on the plus sides, her PC is fine* and they processed my refund in a day
*fine, except for losing the boot drive on restarts sometimes until I removed and reinstalled the ssd

[karmic trout]

I was just looking for the brand and models of the pc parts. Then order parts and build myself. It's cheaper

[fallen oasis]

It's fun too!

[north arch]

not always in the current market

[boreal remnant]

Hey, so does anyone know if upgrading to 64 gigs ram is worth it?

[mental jolt]

I upgraded to 32 when people said it was ridiculous, life got a whole lot better for me. 🤷‍♂️

[mental jolt]

I constantly feel like I'm fighting against the swap/page file.

[boreal remnant]

hmm...well 32 I can understand, but 64 gb ram is another beast

[mental jolt]

A beast I'm going to get behind next build I do.

[boreal remnant]

Do you think it's worth investing that much money in 64 gb? Does anyone really need that much?

[mental jolt]

It depends on what you do.
It also depends on what you have right now.

[boreal remnant]

I'm buying a machine for unreal and I'd like it to be at least relatively future proof, so that's what I want to do. As for what I have now, the laptop I'm buying has 32 gigs

I guess my question is. Assuming I'll get to a moderate level in Unreal Engine, is it necessary to have 64 gb ram over 32 gb?

[mental jolt]

You'd be fine with 32 for UE I'd say.

[boreal remnant]

thanks, I really needed a second opinion on this

[north arch]

I like 4096 bits, personally

[fallen oasis]

I like big bits and I cannot lie.

[median marsh]

start with 2x 32GB maybe?

i rarely use >64GB

[hoary urchin]

With i9-12900K I'm fine with 64 GB. Compiling on 16 cores never uses more than ~ 32 GB which gives me an entire 32 GB for my IDE + other dev/art tools. I usually sit around 45 GB used at max.

Doing anything with all 16 cores pegged on CPU doesn't work great though. Would love to have 64 cores 🤣

[karmic trout]

Why is that?

[north arch]

the current market is kinda funky, but economies of scale may be catching up

[karmic trout]

Me on my 20GB RAM (Crying 😭)

[karmic trout]

I order from China.

[lone quest]

hellos

guys i have a 750gb hdd. should i get a 512gb ssd instead of it to increase my reading writing speed etc. you know

does it worth

90 dollars

i dont think so cuz i dont play so many games

and 1tb's are so expensive for me

[median marsh]

by filling up he meant filling it up with unreal data 😄

just from grabbing free market place assets i horded around 512GB already

i wouldn't want to browse those assets on a HDD

[karmic trout]

Browse on HDD.. sounds fun

[median marsh]

well, the vault cache is only used when you add the stuff to a project

[frail pagoda]

it'll be filled up with unreal engine assets not your games

[blissful heath]

hello, another problem : UE4.22 takes just 12.6 GB when downloading but why it occupies more than 50GB in my disk !? and since I haven't enough space I cancelled the installation but is there a workaround ?

[median marsh]

because the download is compressed, and once its installed it will also generate additional data instead of computing it each time

[blissful heath]

and is there a solution ?

[north arch]

50GB is smaller than many modern games

dev takes more space than the finished product, you should probably have at least 500GB dedicated to development

[blissful heath]

ok, thank you

[north arch]

I almost said a dedicated 1TB

usb will still be a thing in 30 years?

usb 314.159

[wet ore]

the next usb will evolve into a form of pure energy where you need only will the devices together, (sometimes you need to flip the direction of your willing until it fits)

[kind shore]

would it make any sense to buy a new gen CPU with 8 cores instead of the old gen 16 cores ?
(AMD)

[frail pagoda]

Why would you buy the old gen?

[shy edge]

I'm curious which specific chips they're asking about.

[kind shore]

Old gen was very likely the wrong term, should've said current gen, i think.
I basically meant if it's any worth to buy the Ryzen 7 7700 instead of the Ryzen 9 5950

[cinder latch]

i don't know if we could make that decision because of the fact that real ryzen 7000 benchmarks (not leaks) don't exist

[kind shore]

I guess it was a dumb question anyways.
Like 1 core from the 7700 would need to be 2 times as fast as 1 core from the 5950 to make it better, theoretically speaking, no ?

And i think this is pretty unrealistic

[north arch]

not strictly, no

aside from multithreading overhead, if your task can't be split into parallel branches (strictly sequential, like long division or iterating through a sequential algorithm like one might find in a calculation of pi or running through the fibbonachi sequence), you gain nothing from more than 2 (OS and other tasks on one core, your process on the other)

indeed

it's implicit he cares about UE performance, based on the server, but it may not be his only concern

[median marsh]

not necessarily, i would say 8 cores is enough for most devs

while i often hit 100% load on one core, so faster single core speed can also be a benefit over more cores

[hoary urchin]

During daily work, even when I'm modifying several files at a time, I usually end up seeing compilations of 5-8ish processes at a time. Rarely do I need more than 8 cores dedicated to compiling, practically speaking.

Determining max actions to execute in parallel (16 physical cores, 24 logical cores)
  Executing up to 16 processes, one per physical core
Building 8 actions with 8 processes...

Of course, in the times when I need to recompile the entire engine for example, going 2x the speed makes a significant difference. 8 cores still works for that, just takes longer.

Unless you need to recompile the engine really often, probably 8 cores is a good price point for an effective productivity boost. If you can do more, then great, go for it.

IMO don't do less than 8 cores, if you do it will increase the amount of sitting around waiting on compiles, which is a complete waste of your personal and professional time.

[median marsh]

well, for that example it cant use more than 8 cores because you only have 8 tasks 😄

[hoary urchin]

Exactly.

[median marsh]

but overall i agree

you must do a shitton of c++ to benefit from more than 8 cores

[dim pewter]

So I just received my new work PC (12900KF, 64GB DDR5), and having the typical issue of Unreal only compiling on the E-Cores, has anyone found any decent ways to have this use all cores without using Process Lasso?

Using Windows 10 I have it as high as possible, but I just read after making that post that I might need to move it to Win11 to use that feature. Which is okay, as i was planning on that anyway, so have started that process

Nothing I can see in there related to it:

[astral musk]

Win10 has some scheduling issues with 12th gen. Upgrading to windows 11 fixes it, or you can look though this thread to find a few other solutions to force win 10 to work. https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/how-to-get-the-build-system-to-use-more-threads-4-27/266993/16

[dim pewter]

Hmm, upgraded to Windows 11, set to best performance.
Still using the E-Cores only. disabled powerthrottling for cl.exe, still only using 8 cores. Must be missing something, just not sure what yet

Right, ignore me. A reboot and it'll now use all threads!

[north arch]

this is sub-optimal

[spark vortex]

oh shi-

[fallen oasis]

What you get for buying alienware!

[north arch]

I tried to buy non-alienware, they lied to me for 3 months!

then I got a higher-specced alienware for the same price

and in a week

Every time they missed a ship date, I'd reach out to them and be told "they've started it" or "they're scheduled to start it on monday" and "It'll ship on friday."

I called them out on it once and they said "oh, your gpu is on backorder, you can upgrade for $400 more, or downgrade for only $50 more". I ripped into them for lying to me, said I'll be consulting with my local consumer protection agency and filing a complaint with the AG, and you're going to upgrade me, honoring the prices at date of order. They agreed. They missed another ship date. I demanded to know what the status was, "it'll be started on Monday", so I demanded a refund.

[fallen oasis]

Don't blame a bad shop :P

[north arch]

came highly recommended

a national custom shop, not a local hole in the wall

my only problem with the alienware order was my bank thinking it was fraudulent, cutting off my card, and stranding me at a gas station

[spark vortex]

bruh thats an absolute saga

just trying to buy some hardware F

i offer you this simple 🍀. may luck be now on your side.

[north arch]

Thanks. I can renew my warranty for $200 or order a new fan or pump from dell...

think it's the pump since I hear the fan ramp up

happened when the lights flickered, it's on a surge protector

[wind egret]

wonder if PCs should have lemon laws

[spark vortex]

it'd be nice if the QC was better for sure lol

[wind egret]

rereading I thought this "saga" was recent, but "renew my warranty" suggests otherwise
you'd think a power supply would protect even lesser components like fans/pumps, but gestures

unless the failing pump was the source of the flicker, which would be mildly alarming

[north arch]

lightning was the source

pump was probably unlucky and just seized, the 12V line is high power and thus very resistant to minor power hiccups

the cpu would die first

it's only a year old and happened today

[median marsh]

for $200 you get a new AIO 😄

don't you know someone who could check the pump/fan thing? an electronics guy or maybe pc guy

[north arch]

me, but I have limited time

[dry summit]

Hi,

I've been trying to use unreal but it doenst start on my pc. It has only worked once since trying to use it since last week. I keep getting the d3d being lost message. I've updated my drivers and am using the latest veriosn of unreal. I'm using a software that has been recommended to me by a site to clean my pc however I doubt it will work. Can anyone help, thank you NightGuardian

[karmic trout]

Is buying Falcon NW custom build cheaper than building myself?

[shy edge]

unlikely but possible

[karmic trout]

I was watching review of Falcon Northwest's Talon on YT

Some say it's cheaper

[upper goblet]

I need some help and opinions please.

My company is about to get a bunch of hardware

either 2x $5k Unreal engine machines, with probably 5950x + 3090

or I can dump my 10k budget into their office server solution budget is $30k on that

and get a Dual 48 core Epyc Workstation with 2x RTX A6000

we would be sharing the CPU load, for their simulations

but the GPU's would be primarily for myself and my partner

Does UE5 work decently on VMWare or Virtual Box?

does anyone know if this is a viable option?

i have seen old information around 2017 and 2018 about DX12 being an issue of support, but cannot find any information on whether these problems have been solved in 2022

[karmic trout]

and much trustworthy and reliable than buying parts on ebay or other places

[shy edge]

I'm spoiled by a local Microcenter so I'd never buy parts on ebay. as far as figuring out if their prebuilt is cheaper, go over to pcpartpicker and build a system with the same parts and check the differences.

[astral musk]

when GPU prices were over inflated, it was definitely cheaper. however prices have been dropping dramatically the last month or two so that may not be the case any more.

also keep in mind Falcon is very high quality, with good support. so you are also paying for peace of mind and ease of service

[astral musk]

I've seen people use UE through virtual machines but can't speak on the specifics on performance. do know that the 3090 and A6000 are roughly equal in performance unless you really need more that 24GB of VRAM, and UE will only use one GPU. hard to estimate performance without knowing what everyone will be doing at any one time. but my guess is that you'd be sacrificing GPU/viewport performance compared to a dedicated machine with a 3090

[median marsh]

i wouldn't do the server route, you add delay through network and that stuff, you still need clients to connect to the server, etc...

however, what you could use a server for is building shit, light builds, etc. they can need a ton of memory depending on the project, and they only need cpu power

@upper goblet

[upper goblet]

we would have the machine directly in our office and connecting with display ports to our monitors, the rest of the office would be using their server from the workstation

[median marsh]

you also add a single point of failure...

[upper goblet]

dual 48 core epyc and 1tb of ram with dual a6000 48gb

[median marsh]

is there enough budget to get spare parts quickly if something fails?

and i wouldn't want to sit in an office with such machine, considering the cooling it needs

are you using unreal for gamedev or something else?

because i would also add some test machine(s) to the budget which don't run on insane hardware...

[upper goblet]

cinematic production mainly

[median marsh]

ok, then i'm out, i know next to nothing about that

and the light build thing i said is probably also irrelevant then

[upper goblet]

it is the same as game dev with the movie render queue

virtually the same thing with some optimization for rendering

[upper goblet]

this is true but i think what you stated was still valuable

[astral musk]

for the most part, rendering is all GPU based (though there is some CPU if you use path tracer and the denoiser)

[upper goblet]

agreed, cpu is for shader compiling which happens 2-4 times a week

my 3900x takes 40mins-1.5 hours to compile many shaders

[astral musk]

the 5950x would drop that to ~30-60min range I'd guess. If your biggest goal is to reduce the shader compile time then the server would be nice. assuming you can access enough cpu cores when you need it, I'm not really clear on how that division of resources works.

hopefully someone with direct experience with UE in a virtual machine can respond

I still think you'll be sacrificing GPU performance, since you'll be sharing the A6000 with other users.

[inland python]

gtx 1650 laptop intel i5 11th gen

how much is it gonna suck with ue5?

[north arch]

ram?

[median marsh]

well, i used a 1660 for my first year with unreal, for learning a 1650 should do

[inland python]

imagine an empty storeroom with 1 breadstick, 8gb

[inland python]

yeah lumen cant be used

[median marsh]

well, that can get tough

[inland python]

right?

[median marsh]

yea lumen is nogo then

[inland python]

kill me

how about rtx 3050 4gb mobile

[median marsh]

but then, before you should consider playing around with lumen, you should learn the basics

the "old" lighting is still superior in many cases (specially when it comes to performance)

[inland python]

yeah but i need to toil for 5 more months before i can afford a laptop

[median marsh]

so you haven't bought the 1650 one yet?

[inland python]

rtx 3050 4gb vram

[median marsh]

i wouldn't invest in a laptop with 3050 4GB

4GB isn't cutting it long term

you want at least 8GB video memory

[inland python]

yes, i am in my room at 50 degrees, cooking steak over my intel hd graphics

[median marsh]

unless you make games that aren't too demanding

[inland python]

yeah but i need something that more mobile.

[inland python]

do you use lumen with your gtx 1660?

[median marsh]

well, then expect to pay $2000+

if you want to get work done

[inland python]

yeah

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/225448516376461313/1005519597023277076/HighresScreenshot00437.png?width=934&height=525

so this level of graphics is just a wet dream

and nothing more for me

[median marsh]

8gb video memory, at LEAST 16gb system memory, better 32gb (specially if you want to use c++) and 8 core/16 thread cpu

[median marsh]

if you dont want a desktop, that wont even be a wet dream because water vapors at the heat they produce 😄

[inland python]

life is fair, my golly

[astral musk]

you can get that level of graphics, just not in real time

[inland python]

not interested in real time

[north arch]

and aim for at least 1TB dedicated to UE and project (note the lack of plural)

[inland python]

because that would dreaming about heaven, which i have never seen

might as well not torture myself with it

[median marsh]

it's cold up there

[inland python]

how about i sell my kidney

then i afford the necessary hardware plus an upgrade XD

[median marsh]

how much?

[north arch]

500GB can work

[median marsh]

could always need a spare one

[astral musk]

you could probably use path tracer on the 1660 and get one 1080p frame every 24 hours or so

[inland python]

Yeah but I have higher chances of dying from a gun than kidney failure

[inland python]

ok

[astral musk]

of course, keeping the laptop cool for that long may be an issue

[inland python]

dont worry, i got endless supply of my lung air

i am literially blowing my intel hd graphic laptop right now

because it can even handle discord properly

[north arch]

get some canned air and clean it out right

[inland python]

yeah, but its not available in my village

[spark vortex]

order some online if possible?

[inland python]

the delivery dudes, steal stuff along the way. so its unreliable

yes, I know, you are wondering. what kind of hell i live in

[median marsh]

sounds like planet earth

just more exposed than in other places

is it sao paulo?

[inland python]

think of something even more worse

[fallen oasis]

Anywhere north of the Thames? 😂

[frail pagoda]

not worth for a thing, prioritize health than anything as u can get another job so

[frail pagoda]

i have 32 GB and 12c cpu, can it run UE5 😳

and an rtx 3070

[inland python]

How may I serve my lord

do you need tea?

coffee

or perhaps some tobacco, i will row across the ocean to cuba and get some cuban cigars for you

[sinful gazelle]

I just got HX 1200 corsair psu and I have HX 850i platinum installed from before. Can I just leave the cables in and just hook up the psu to avoid the tedious rewiring?

[shy edge]

maybe. corsair has three different pinouts for their various PSUs, iirc. Cablemod has diagrams and I'm pretty sure Corsair has charts somewhere in their support pages.

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/psu-cable-compatibility

[sinful gazelle]

They both are 80 plus platinum certified so I guess they're the same

[sinful gazelle]

I decided to swap also because cables are 3 years old already in the last one

[median marsh]

that was wiser than the "they are both 80+ platinum certified" conclusion 😄

also i guess the 850W would have been sufficient unless you have an threadripper or a cpu with similar high power consumption

[median marsh]

peak 350W compiling UE on an 5950x (+ 3 screens, logitech 2.1 speakers + led light bar and my wifi/internet router) idle was around 150W-200W btw

damn im not even close to 50% load of my 650W psu with 100% cpu load 😭

and 17% gpu load according to nvidia info tool, which is 30/170W

[fallen oasis]

He's going for that 50% load power efficiency.

However, I also bought a 1200w platinum psu the other day.

But I have special circumstances.

[median marsh]

yea, which he hits when gpu is at peak load 😄

which?

you going dual threadripper? 😄

[fallen oasis]

I have a TR, 6800 OC and a 3090 ti

[median marsh]

yea, but why did you upgrade the psu?

[fallen oasis]

I had a 700W psu.

[median marsh]

didn't you also run all that on 850W PSU, too?

[fallen oasis]

It used to be a 3080 ti, but that died the other day.

[median marsh]

oh

[fallen oasis]

3090 draws more power, so I decided to upgrade the PSU.

[median marsh]

and 700W, ok

yea that was probably not a bad idea for that setup

there's not much wrong with investing in a few extra Watt, unless it's unnecessary to buy a new PSU at all

i'm pretty confident the user above could've run the 3090 on his 850W psu

[fallen oasis]

1000W vs 1200W is basically 2 euros.

And, yeah, absolutely.

Unless he was one one of those old AMDs (3xxx series?) that drew ridiculous wattage.

[inland python]

rx560 x laptop

16gb ram

ryzen 5 3550h

or gtx 1650 ti

[frail pagoda]

Nope, i'd need an rtx 3090 😊

[inland python]

crikey, cant do that

[spark vortex]

wait for black friday

if the 40xx series drop the deals should be j u i c y

nov 25th

[frail pagoda]

i hope so, planning to upgrade to rtx 4080

i hope the price is same as the rtx 3080 🚶‍♂️

finally a fair 16 GB Vram

[median marsh]

nah, nvidia is sitting on a bunch of 30xx series cards, so i doubt that the new gen will be cheaper until they sold the old ones off (at least thats what some tech site reported here)

[dim vapor]

So i am thinking of buying a laptop for Game Development and a bit of gaming too. Need Suggestions. (Ik a pc is better but i need portability)

[frail pagoda]

ah crap, business thing huh

[inland python]

yeah, they found a way to make alot of money during covid,

reducing supply on purpose

and selling at a high price

[cinder latch]

they’re gonna be sitting on a bunch of 40xx chips as well since they overbooked fab capacity since they didn’t expect the crypto crash

[median marsh]

let them sit

i paid $600 for a 3060 😄

[spark vortex]

I paid $589 CAD ($461 USD) for a 1660 super when the prices were elevated 😩

[median marsh]

damn i should have sold my 1660 back then

but i kept it as backup as i was afraid that when the 3060 fails i wouldn't have any gpu for a while

[spark vortex]

so fair

things were looking pretty shaky at the time for gpus

and crypto had showed no signs of the sharp downturn its since experienced

honestly I think economics forecasting is a lot like weather forecasting

there a lot of variables at play, and while you can predict the behaviour of some systems, its not 100% and you need to be familiar with all the theories and tools to get a picture

[median marsh]

imho it was/is just a matter of time for crypto to fail

[spark vortex]

ye

[median marsh]

it's just an small ecosystem next to "real" cash, which also has it's flaws

[spark vortex]

the fed chair economist who tamed inflation in the 70s with double digit rates (lmao compared to our rates xD, insanity!), thought the only thing innovative in finance was like the ATM lmao

but that was like a few decades ago but still

[median marsh]

the idea behind crypto isn't bad/wrong

[spark vortex]

ye

the og bitcoin white paper is really interesting

decentralized currency, without the need for a central authority to verify transactions and ledgers? sounds insanely cool and futuristic

[median marsh]

and then it's traded for normal cash, which is one of the big problems

[spark vortex]

lmao yeah

the end user treats it as a speculative asset, not a medium of exchage

[median marsh]

any currency needs some kind of infrastructure

[spark vortex]

I feel like i'm better off gambling money on options then I am with bitcoin

as well as stability (ie low volatility)

[median marsh]

indeed, if you invest in stock of a company they usually(!) spend it on research etc.

and try to improve their company value

which is something that crypto totally lacks 😄

[spark vortex]

ye