source-control

[quick slate]

these two locations are in different streams, of course

[woven sluice]

Have you already considered simply adding an entry to your stream to pull the plugin content from elsewhere into your game project stream?

[quick slate]

Not entirely familiar with that method, but in this case we're running this batch script as a part of a jenkins build, so we copy the plugin over only if it builds successfully.
The copy running will then ideally trigger a build on the target project as well

hence auto-submitting

[runic summit]

@woven sluice Do you know how the HLOD system gets pulled into source control - I'm having proxy meshes built and the HLOD uasset is checked OUT of source control but when I reopen the editor I find like half of my proxy meshes need to be built again

Even though I haven't moved them

When I migrate the assets into a brand new project with no source control, they persist fine

[woven sluice]

(@quick slate oops I vanished) ok, you probably don't want to just simply import the plugin stream then. Not sure how to use copy then sorry 😦 If it was any easier to figure out how to do this, you could set up a Release stream for your plugin and import that stream into projects... and then either manually or with Jenkins merge your plugin's Mainline stream into its Release stream when appropriate (i.e. when it succeeds at a build). This is just pushing the same problem into maybe a different alley... not sure

no idea sorry blake

[runic summit]

It's baffling

but thanks for taking a look

[quick slate]

@woven sluice no worries I really appreciate you taking the time ^_^

[runic summit]

if a temp file is made, how could source control interfere??

[woven sluice]

this is how I set up my plugins, they're in their own depot, and imported into our game project. I actually set it up bidirectionally so I can work on the plugin either in the game project or in its own project. different than what you're proposing (and more chaotic but works great for tiny team use)

[runic summit]

@woven sluice This was in my output log when I built one of the problem Proxy meshs in the HLOD outliner - LogSourceControl: Attempting 'p4 fstat -Or E:/LiveSimMainline/Content/Maps/HLOD/ModNeighborPack_OptimizedVersion_0_HLOD.uasset E:/LiveSimMainline/Content/Maps/ModNeighborPack_OptimizedVersion.umap E:/LiveSimMainline/Content/Maps/FactoryLevel.umap'

That just simply means it's trying to save it because it's a source controlled file - (those assets are checked out)

[quick slate]

we essentially have that setup too.
Plugin (and dev project) in its own stream tree (with mainline and dev) then any other project we work on has its own (main and dev) which we merge into or from as needed. We've always done merges/copies manually in either direction, but are now looking at how to make jenkins auto-copy out from the dev project as needed, its just perforce's CLI is a pain in the butt

[clear gull]

Hey guys, I'm using Git / LFS for my source control of various UE4 projects and have 100 GB storage. to avoid having to buy new data packs I wanted to remove a few commits from old projects in my repositories. how can one do that in Git ?! and does it actually help me save space ?!
for instance for an old project I want to remove all the commits and only keep the important milestones of every month.

[long hull]

You can use https://github.com/newren/git-filter-repo to rewrite history and only keep some commits, but that in itself won't remove LFS files, which are what are using space. To clear the then orphaned LFS files, it depends on your LFS host (e.g. Gitlab, Github).

[clear gull]

Oh thanks I'll look in to it. for removing orphaned LFS files (I'm using github) is there also a tool to handle those automatically or should it be done manually ?!

[long hull]

If you're not using GitHub Entreprise, I'm afraid you're out of luck https://docs.github.com/en/free-pro-team@latest/github/managing-large-files/removing-files-from-git-large-file-storage#git-lfs-objects-in-your-repository

To remove Git LFS objects from a repository, delete and recreate the repository
For Entreprise:
To remove Git LFS objects from a repository, contact your GitHub Enterprise administrator to archive the objects. Archived objects are purged after three months.

[green lantern]

did plastic SCM change their offerings?

do they not off a personal free option anymore?

Oh crap, unity bought them out and killed Plastic SCM for me 😭

[merry verge]

It seems there's still a free version, but it's cloud-only and 5GB of storage.

[green lantern]

yeah that's not gonna cut it for my projects in all likelihood. I just wanted to store it on my local machine.

[frail falcon]

if an entire project has been checked out in p4v how do you get them all back in to unlock the files so other people can edit them?

[sturdy lake]

You can "Revert Unchanged Files"

If you want to give all the files back, you will either need to submit a changelist with the changes in, or revert them back to what's in the depot, losing your changes

[frail falcon]

there are no changes, so you would just right click the source folder > Revert unchanged files, and then click submit?

[rugged jacinth]

is there a setting in unreal editor when using perforce to have it auto add a file I just made to the default CL?

I seem to have to always add it manually when I create a new blueprint for example

[bitter sun]

Anyone knows how can I submit those part by part?

Github says you cant submit more than 100mb

[woven sluice]

uh, i haven't used github but isn't that a per-file limit of 100mb?

are you not using lfs?

@bitter sun

[bitter sun]

Yeah, it was per-file, I misread the warning in Github

And solved it, but now something like this happening, do you have any ideas about that?

[woven sluice]

afraid not I'm not good with GIT, have to wait and see if someone else shows up...

[bitter sun]

Okay, thanks 🙂

[tiny summit]

Ok

Alright so

on Gitlab

How do I invite my friends to code with me

[harsh slate]

Does this mean I tried to push a file too big?

[neat grotto]

Most likely yes. I have seen that error when trying to push more than 2GB up to the remote at once.

[harsh slate]

Ah, okay. I'll try splitting it up

[simple lodge]

If you run self hosted you can tweak some things to increase that

but ultimately you shouldnt be doing mega sized pushes

[blazing quail]

you can use SSH Protocol instead of http, so you can push large size

[simple lodge]

If you are using LFS then SSH isnt supported, the SSH agent just makes http connections which makes pushes slower

[stuck jacinth]

Hey everyone, does anyone here have experience setting up Perforce on AWS? Need help!

[harsh slate]

I was importing assets so that why it was so huge

[chilly frost]

I was wondering if anyone of you has a solution to do exclusive checkouts with the GIT beta source control in unreal?

we are thinking about writing our own solution

[merry verge]

Doesn't the built-in git provider support LFS locks

if not maybe I'm thinking of one of the third-party git plugins

[chilly frost]

we are using git bash and the git beta plugin - no lfs though since we host on the google cloud which replaces lfs in its functionality (for free btw)

[merry verge]

Then no. LFS is the solution to locks with git.

Use a provider that supports it. You should be using it regardless for uasset (and related) files.

There are a number of git providers that are free and support LFS

[chilly frost]

@merry verge do you know if theres a public repo for the source data of the git unreal integration?

i tried finding it on github but maybe my search skills are too bad

[merry verge]

https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/tree/release/Engine/Plugins/Developer/GitSourceControl

[chilly frost]

oooh

ok xD

THANKS ❤️

[woven sluice]

Damn. you're not seriously thinking of abandoning LFS and going home brew are you. Sounds like a good way to sentence a project to die a long slow painful death

[chilly frost]

@woven sluice We first thought the same

But when you use source cloud from google

it doesnt let you use lfs since it does its own "oh this is a big file" check

it replaces the core functionality of lfs in that regards

[woven sluice]

Is it storing uasset files outside of git then?

[chilly frost]

this is where our repository is hosted

[merry verge]

If your provider doesn't support LFS, then it's not a good provider and you should avoid them until they do. LFS is standard across all the major git hosting services.

[chilly frost]

not sure if that answers your question

that sounds biased xD

[merry verge]

It's not

[chilly frost]

we used lfs before

[merry verge]

LFS is the standard for large files and locking in git

[chilly frost]

and its not like its perfect xD

[merry verge]

no, it's not

it's better than rolling your own though

[woven sluice]

Are binary files in a git repo or not tho

[chilly frost]

rly depends 🙂

i´ll let you know either way

if its a fail or not 🙂

[merry verge]

If you're going full proprietary anyway you might as well use perforce at that point, which does a much better job with large files regardless.

[chilly frost]

so far we have tested nearly every source controll and our current one is the most STABLE compared to the rest

yeah perforce was a money issue atm

[merry verge]

that's fair

[chilly frost]

team is at 10 persons +

i asked them if they do a "non support" licence that cost less but nono

[merry verge]

Yeah, perforce isn't friendly to indies

[chilly frost]

they try

that was me a month ago xD

[woven sluice]

I'm a little out of touch but I'd probably easily prefer to try SVN over git without LFS

[chilly frost]

i dont say its too expensive

yeah we have 10+ years exp on our programmers side with git

so they dont feel to comfy with other tools

and my responsibility is to get a workflow going with them that reduces the damage ARTISTS can do xD

you can say 1 merge conflict can be up to 30 minutes of troubleshooting

thats why we are going to have a database set up that just blacklists and locks files and use a git hook to dissallow the "add" while and also immediatly on loadup mark files that are "blacklisted by being checked out"

and thats only for binaries

in theory it sounds easy enough

lets see how far we get i guess xD

[woven sluice]

Sounds like a good way to burn a couple weeks of programming time reinventing the wheel to me but I'm a dick. Good luck 😄

[chilly frost]

Thanks man 🙂 Its a cost benefit thing i guess xD Source Cloud Storage is tremendously inexpensive xD

and super SUPER performant

[thick belfry]

For my perforce server I was using DigitalOcean at about $20 a month. Idk the limit on the amount of users but I had 4GB Ram, 2 vCPUs, 4TB Transfer, 80GB SSD, and my monthly sometimes would be higher or lower than $20 depending on usage

[chilly frost]

we are currently running 3 different game developments on our system and will be adding more repos over time I´d say we are sitting at a similar cost as you where looking at except we dont have access to any cpu´s from how i understand it. At least not in the classical terms. The cool thing about the workflow that we currently have is its so damn simple to set up - only issue we had was that we couldnt see in engine who had what checked out. Looking at the last update to plugin from epic for git i think they just dont have time to polish this up more and we decided to move forward with editing the existing plugin 🙂

meaning we store around 100-150gb minimum of data atm excluding backups @thick belfry

ah yeah and currently we are at 5 user that have access but that will ramp up this month to 15

[thick belfry]

Oh dang

[merry verge]

The price of running perforce is primarily user licenses, not hosting ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly frost]

yeaup 😄

perforce is a really nice tool to use if you know your project wont ever grow over 5 users

damn then its sexy af

but it makes zero sense to use it if you plan to scale your production up or are already scaling up while preparing early access for example or other "no budget" "low budget" scenarious

[merry verge]

It's sort of insane to me that perforce doesn't try to capture some of the lower-budget market but it seems like they just don't care. They have the free license (which is great) and they have the multi-thousand-dollar licenses (which makes sense since it's largely aimed at larger companies that use support contracts), and nothing in-between.
They really don't care about anyone who doesn't have $$$ which is just such an odd thing to me. indies don't exactly have much money to throw around, but it's still money p4 is leaving on the table. And I'm sure they could come up with some license that's limited to some gross income or something so their current large customers would still be paying the same. It'd cost them practically nothing since I assume a lower priced license wouldn't come with support.

[jolly fog]

its hard to compete with git, especially with lfs support

svn is an option too, which isn't that unpopular amongst indies I know

then there is plastics, which was bought by unity, and will probably become the default solution for unity projects after some time

there isn't much of a market for perforce to expand on imho

[chilly frost]

@merry verge I sent this to Mark Ties the Ceo and President of Perforce a whle back xD

obviously no response even though i sent it through linkedin pro/plus/prime (forgot what the paid version was called xD)

[chilly frost]

If you work for a studio that uses perforce and you do a project on the side most ppl will default to what they know which is perforce in that case. It really depends though, I think we all know that any programmer starts with GIT just naturally in their study period 😄

[jolly fog]

I think free license covers that space rather well. The amount of projects that doesn't qualify for the free license, but would still want to use perforce, but can't afford the regular license at the same time, should be fairly small imho

if you look at from an indie perspective, the amount of unity users dwarfs everything else, and perforce isn't well known in that space, and historically unity used to have their own vcs and now plastics

[chilly frost]

I was freelancing for around 1.5 years now. Do you want to know how many source controls got into from devs that used the same seat different workspace technique in that time?

and that was not only solo or small team devs

that also happened at a studio i worked at ...

its just ... i dont know

ppl always risk things and i never wouldve want to do the same choices which is why any solution with git rn seems to be the thing ill be using for building up my company at least. Its scalable, it works, it doesnt cost ... as much by FAR 😄

btw about plastic

this year i already encountered one ue team that uses it there

so it seems to work for ue too Oo

never touched it before though

[jolly fog]

I don't know, I think svn works pretty well for most games. I would use svn rather than juggling p4 workspaces tbh

git only works in small teams imho

[chilly frost]

yeah honestly i only defaulted to p4 bcs of the first contact in a studio

and then transitioned over to git

you mean it has issues with teams larger than 10?

[jolly fog]

for solo projects git + lfs + local remote works flawlessly, but anything over 5-10 it breaks down

[chilly frost]

tell me what so i can adjust my negative bias xD

[jolly fog]

especially if you have multiple artists that want to work on the same content

[chilly frost]

ahyeah

but i mean perforce doesnt rly change that, i remember two artist in a studio sitting next to each other working in the SAME scene to just discover "oh i cant push this its checked out by someon already"

and ive seen that happen more than once xD

[jolly fog]

the difference in svn/p4's case is that the artist didn't use the tool correctly, and on git the artist used git correctly

one can be fixed pretty easily, the other is the intended default

[chilly frost]

gimme a git example pls

for an artist related error

[jolly fog]

we had a slack channel for artist so they could notify others about not changing assets, mainly materials and maps, but also models and textures would also count

so whenever they wanted to change something they had to check whether someone was already doing something with the asset in question

there were a few material mishaps and lost work on maps due to that

if the team was using svn/p4 correctly instead of git none of that would've happened

[chilly frost]

ah yeh - about that - currently letting the eu evangelist reach out to ryan durant who created the git integration asking if hes currently working on an update. if not we will be definitly taking a shot at creating a realtime integration that shows you if a file is already checked out. we would be using "always exclusive" as a rule for artists meaning someone has something checked out gives you "you cant touch this and a name"

what you described is definitly the biggest issue i have with git too, just fixed two merge conflicts yesterday xD

the cool thing with git is you can create your own hooks and if you have a good programmer its definitly something you "could" engage on ;3

[jolly fog]

well, I would rather use svn than to mold git to my preferences, but that's just me 😄

[chilly frost]

yeah i think its rly a luxury thing rn

i mean us thinking about reinventing the wheel just cause xD

[merry verge]

Git itself cannot tell you whether a file is checked out because it's not built for that - it'd break the distributed model git uses. No git integration can change that.
The only reason LFS can is that it adds an additional centralized server into the mix for storing LFS-controlled files. Which allows them to build an exclusive lock system on top of it.

So you're just going to get told to use LFS or build an entirely new system yourself.

[drifting copper]

has anyone else had issues with perforce in the new engine version?

right now in the engine it won't let me check files out or show if files are being checked out.

never mind I was logged into the wrong workspace :/

[chilly frost]

I think you are not following xD We are using a centralized checkout system in addition to some intelligent use of git hooks to "simulate" the same behaviour that an "exclusive checkout" would be doing. So basically when you save something it does a git add the hook listens for that and checks "hey is this file blacklisted rn" (meaning added by someone else to their local repo already) and if its the case it prevents the add for the blacklisted file.

its a simple database of "local adds" tracking

and its only targeted at binary files

[crystal estuary]

Looking for UE4+Perforce expert for (paid) help

[simple lodge]

I have teams of 20-25 on git just fine. Above that id be a little bit leery though. It requires a decent amount of work to get it usable in "larger" projects, but its entirely possible. Actually number of people isnt a good measure, Project size/size of assets is the main driver of it becoming less usable.

[jolly fog]

I would imagine you could create a decentish workflow to make git usable, especially if the people that have to interact with assets is limited, but I would far prefer p4 or svn for anything over 10 devs. Maybe if the team is very programmer heavy things would be smoother though.

[chilly frost]

What was the question?

[normal cape]

do you use file locks with Git?

to prevent people editing the same file

[simple lodge]

We do

[jolly fog]

You mean git lock?

[normal cape]

yeah

[simple lodge]

git-lfs lock

[normal cape]

alright

[jolly fog]

Could you please explain more how to prevent editing with this?

[simple lodge]

Only one thing Id warn about the locks, it can prevent merges - and the unreal plugin is not super polished atm

https://tortoisegit.org/docs/tortoisegit/tgit-dug-lfslocking.html

[jolly fog]

Is it?

[normal cape]

@jolly fog you know how centralized source controls locks files to prevent editing files?

so if i have a file X, i can tell the system "i am editing this, nobody else touch this"

[simple lodge]

yes with the command I posted

[normal cape]

and then only until i have unlocked it, nothing can be done with the file

[jolly fog]

In fact im new to unreal but interested

[simple lodge]

git-lfs lock && git-lfs unlock

[jolly fog]

U know

[normal cape]

yep

i am working on a solo project atm but need to look into git lfs lock and unlock lol

[jolly fog]

What does it make for you

I mean the abilities

[jolly fog]

LoL

[normal cape]

what you mean? git, git lfs?

[jolly fog]

yea

[normal cape]

git is a software for decentralized version control

helps you manage the history of your project

[simple lodge]

I think he means why do you care about locking?

[jolly fog]

yea thanks

[simple lodge]

as a solo dev

[normal cape]

ah yea

[jolly fog]

exactly right

[normal cape]

it was just so if i expand in future

i know how to do it lol

[jolly fog]

oh i got it

thanks

[frail falcon]

Hi, I have merged two projects together so there is quite a lot I need to commit (using perforce) am I correct in thinking I should go into perforce > right click the route directory > mark for add > click submit

[true sandal]

I turned off my droplet hosting my p4 in order to upgrade my disk space from 80 to 160GB and once I turned it back on and tried to connect to p4 I am getting this error
Connect to server failed; check $P4PORT.

[silent charm]

I stopped using git with Unreal as it doesn't seem to be all that supported. I think switching over to Perforce is definitely the way to go

But switching over to Perforce has its own frustrations. I accidentally added the Intermediate folder -_-. Also I have no idea why Perforce put read-only permissions on every file in the proejct

Anyone think the read-only permissions is intentional and a good thing, perhaps I'm doing something wrong?

Does Perforce set files to read only until you check it out or something?

[silent charm]

Btw pretty sure you can retroactively remove Intermediate folder and other folders that are not supposed to be there by first marking for delete and second adding a .p4ignore file. But I believe you also have to manually set P4 to look for that .p4ignore file by running a p4 set P4IGNORE=.p4ignore

[merry verge]

This is correct. The intended workflow with perforce is that you check-out a file before editing it.

Keeping things read-only until then makes it so perforce can check for locks on the file before allowing you to edit it, and the workflow makes it so perforce doesn't have to scan through all your files to find the edited ones (you can tell p4 to do this manually... but if you have a large project it can be slow).

If you're using visual studio, install P4VS to have VS automatically prompt you for check-out when editing files. For Rider, there's a built-in plugin.
In unreal editor just enable the perforce integration - the editor will prompt you to check-out files when trying to save.

[silent charm]

thanks. I'll also try that extension out

[frail falcon]

Hi, I have an ongoing submit in progress, I realised that its going to include a bunch of folders that I do not want such as Intermediate & DerivedDataCache. what happens if I stop it now?

[lament hinge]

It should stop the submit without issue then you can setup a p4ignore OR deselect what you don't want pushed

Hello everyone,
So our current games are based on BP and C++ and we have a team of a couple programmers and artists. We are currently using Perforce and it works great but we're out of user licenses and workspaces and the pricing is quite high. I'm just wondering, out of SVN and Plastic SCM (Paid but reasonable) which one would you guys suggest?

I can see that SVN is centralized like Perforce so it can lock files for editing and avoid the mess of multiple edits, but here are a few questions:
1- Is SVN fully free? Apart from a server hosting fee.
2- Does UE's integration auto-check out/lock files on edit like Perforce?

[frail falcon]

Right I have messed this up 😄 how do I get rid of a pending action?

I dont want to overwrite my local changes, I just want to remove all the currently marked for add's that exist as they are against files that are now included in the p4ignore.txt file

[merry verge]

Right click the files in the cnangelist you don't want to add, hit revert, make sure you do NOT check the box that says "delete files opened for add".

[silent charm]

I stopped it many times it didn't matter

[silent charm]

Yes it auto-checks out and locks files with Perforce. It is fully integrated with Perforce, epic games uses it. So if ur using perforce + UE4 then ur gonna use a battle tested integration by thousands of Epic Games employees

I highly recommend Perforce

[woven sluice]

They're asking if SVN has integrated locking (I don't know and am curious too since it doesn't look like perforce will ever be viable for large indie startups)

[lament hinge]

Yes that was my question, I'm considering other alternatives other than Perforce seeing that the license price per user is really high

[south terrace]

4.26 chaos ...4.26

[chilly frost]

@lament hinge If you want a simple setup I´d advice you to use GIT + source.google cloud storage. Working with it rn and the only downside atm is the lackof exclusive checkouts. We have around 400gb and more than 10 teammembers on the repo (several projects) and pay 17 bucks a month for everything

[merry verge]

Not having exclusive checkouts is a pretty big dealbreaker if you aren't willing to write your own locking system 😛

[true bay]

Hey ive got a somewhat old version which im turning into a lightweight version of UE4 for mobile and stuff. Is there a way i can turn "4.17.2" to "LW.4.1" or something?

[lament hinge]

Exclusive checkouts are a must for us. We used to use GIT and as the team got larger it becomes a massive time waste to have people enforce exclusivity.

[frail falcon]

Perforce is saying it has long file name support enabeled by default https://www.perforce.com/manuals/p4sag/Content/P4SAG/install.long_filenames.html but I am getting an error when I try to submit a file due to it being too long

[ivory hinge]

Hi everyone. We are using git for our project. In the case two of us worked on the same binary file and it generates a conflict, we use the File->Diff method and copy all the stuff that was added. But to be honest we are almost on the mental boom level 😂 What is the best way to work with this kind of conflicts? Hope there is a good option. Thanks!

[woven sluice]

@ivory hinge literally read the previous page or two worth of discussion, TLDR why aren't you using LFS

[merry verge]

^
The answer is LFS and LFS locks. Don't work on binary files at the same time. There is no automated solution if you do.

[south terrace]

How doth one have source build show in marketplace so I can add assets to it easily

[cloud maple]

Hi
Im new to source control. Should there be an option to check out and check in assets?

I only get a check in option if i enable auto checkout on modification

I am using git

When i used perforce, there was an option to check in n out

So i guess the real question is, did they remove those options in 4.26 or is gits beta status the obvious answer

Nm i scrolled the page and got the answer

Git is beta

[runic summit]

What is the correct way to restore just one item on a perforce changelist? You want to revert just it but not the whole changelist? It's better to do it outside the editor while it's not running right?

[warped perch]

In perforce, right click on that item and choose to revert. Beware! If item is marked for Add a window will pop up asking if you want to delete files marked for Add. Make sure that option is not checked if you want to keep those files

[merry verge]

Or right-click on the asset in the content browser and go to source control -> revert. The editor will reload the asset after reverting.

[warped perch]

Did you set p4ignore in the command line?

[runic summit]

Thanks!

[robust jacinth]

Uh, shit. How does anyone handle merging assets from one stream to another?

Specifically, the assets are failing to open in another stream because the CL# check between the editor binary and the assets detects that the assets are from a newer CL.

That is technically true... but not actually meaningful.

If I have a release stream and do a copy up from the main stream, the release stream will of course have a higher CL#.

[austere nebula]

I Can't Publish My Project

[merry verge]

You need to pull first.

[austere nebula]

oh okay thanks

[hasty dirge]

Hey I'm trying to work on a project with another friend, I've uploaded my entire project to my GitHub (with a UE gitignore)

However, when he pulls it, he only has these files:

I'm guessing its because of the gitignore but how exactly are people supposed to work on the same project? whats the idea behind it?

I understand theres something called LFS, and I'll get to that most likely but how exactly do two people do this? Does he create his own project and just copy these files or?

[merry verge]

He needs to generate and build the project himself. Everything necessary for that should already be there.

LFS is just a way to store large binary files (assets), but it doesn't change how you use the project.

Also, it looks like they don't have the uproject file associated with unreal. Make sure they installed the version of the engine you're using

Once they have, they should be able to just open the uproject and it'll prompt them to build it (they will need visual studio installed as well)

FYI you should be ignoring the Binaries, Intermediate, and Saved directories too. You should be able to find a proper git ignore just by searching for "ue4 gitignore". Once that's done, delete those directories (or move them outside the project temporarily) and then commit.

It looks like you don't have a gitignore file at all in that directory so you'll need to create that.

[chrome lagoon]

can we force the perforce component of the editor to only check-in when i actually want to check-in everything instead of on every file save?

[raw tundra]

Does anyone know how to work with git lfs?

[hasty dirge]

@merry verge Thank you

[simple lodge]

Its the same workflow as git?

[coarse coral]

@raw tundra in the past you had to do a command line and add any folders you want LFS to handle

after that it's much the same

[jolly lion]

hey guys

I am having an issue with perforce. I am trying to have my team access the workspace but it's only available for me. anyone know how to fix this?

[lament hinge]

Workspaces are the local copy of the Depot on your PC

each client would have their own Workspace

client/user

[jolly lion]

agh i see

thx

[quaint obsidian]

Just updated our base project files with our latest editor and git config that powers collaboration at scale with a UE4 repo on git shared with 70+ people with tens of thousands of asset files and 50+ built data+levels

https://github.com/ProjectBorealis/Base-Project

[stone swallow]

@quaint obsidian documentation to see how it works?

[hasty dirge]

Hey guys I have LFS set up for my Github, however when I try to load a uasset file it says this

heres my gitattributes, how do I work with this?

[quaint obsidian]

no it's more of a look and see thing for now. we do have this blog post:

https://projectborealis.com/git-distributed-collaboration-at-scale

as well as a wiki on the repo above

https://github.com/ProjectBorealis/Base-Project/wiki

[stone swallow]

@quaint obsidian Thanks!

[chrome lagoon]

not using source for half life feels like a betrayal

[full raft]

anyone know a good free version control solution/host for a small hobby gamedev team? (like if you were in a gamejam or whatever, what would you use?)

[haughty ember]

This is what I typically use for VCS for jams. Self-hosted/local Git for Solo, Perforce for Teams (free up to 5) @full raft

[tranquil walrus]

my local .git folder size is completely out of control. someone else added a bunch of stuff to it and it ballooned in size. 180gb for a project nowhere near that size. so i did some googling it was recommended to run git repack -a -d --depth=250 --window=250 and all that did was balloon it another 25 gb and fill my drive. The .git folder is about 120gb.

is there some way to keep only like the most recent or two commits locally?

[merry verge]

Welcome to why git (on its own) is horrible for games.
Make sure your host supports LFS, then go look up how to set that up.

Assuming most of those files are uasset or similar binaries.

https://notiz.dev/blog/migrate-git-repo-to-git-lfs#1-download-and-install-git-lfs-extension
You'll want to track *.uasset, *.umap, and any other large binaries you have stored in the repo (image files, audio files, model sources, etc).

[tranquil walrus]

thanks I'll dig into that, I'm fairly sure we've got LFS turned on since we don't seem to have any issue with large files, but it's probably not set up to handle them properly.

[merry verge]

LFS just being on doesn't do anything - you need to explicitly tell it what types of files to track. If you're having issues with git history taking up lots of space then you either have massive amounts of small files/lots of changes (LFS won't really help with that) or large files that aren't tracked by LFS.

Alternatively, someone somehow submitted LFS-tracked files without using LFS. You can use LFS migrate to erase them from history and move them to LFS storage.

[tranquil walrus]

yeah i dont' think we set up anything specifically to be tracked by LFS.

I'll probably have to do that.

[stone sky]

I'm getting failed to push some refs on attempted initial push to remote

~2500 objects, might be too big?

Using default gitignore that the UE project creator set me up with, c++ project

[woven sluice]

an empty UE4 project probably has something like 5 to 10 files. add whatever is in your Source and Content folders to that count

[stone sky]

So the 2500 file that its trying to push are including files that should be ignored

[woven sluice]

quite likely

[stone sky]

Is there a reference .gitignore I could look at somewhere?

[woven sluice]

just googling UE4 gitignore should find some results

or if you search this channel for "perforce ignore file" you'll get one of my perforce ignore files... the syntax is 80% identical, if you know git's syntax you could cherrypick from it

[stone sky]

Nah I think I got it

Probably a bit redundant but its cool

[lyric pilot]

Hi everyone, I'm new to version control and I want to work with a friend of mine in another city on a simple project.
Which version controller is the most preferable for this propose?

the project can have about up to 5 gig of assets

[rotund bobcat]

If you do mostly code, git. If you're both mostly working with binary files, probably better to go with perforce

git is extremely easy to set up in cloud environment though, haven't used perforce myself but it seems a more complicated setup at first

[lyric pilot]

my friend will do the art and i will handle the code side

is it going to be problematic for artists to use git + a user friendly GUI like source tree

cuz I have heard git is not compatible with uasset

[rotund bobcat]

define not compatible

binary files can't be merged, which uassets are

but neither can they in perforce afaik

but in perforce you can lock them so no one else can touch them

you can also do so with git lfs depending on which git hosting you use

should definitely set up git LFS as well though if you're going to choose git

[lyric pilot]

by not compatible I meant getting a lot of conflicts

alright, so the git LFS is giving me the option to lock the thing I'm working on?

I thought it's for handling some large file only(cons of being new to something ((: )

[rotund bobcat]

it is for handeling large files, but it also has locking

it's not fantastic though

and it's not supported by al git hosts

[lyric pilot]

thank you so much for information🙏 .

@rotund bobcat Just read about Subversion source controller, I guess it has the locking system as well, do you think that it can be a better choice for me in this case?(an artist and a coder)

[rotund bobcat]

Could work too yeah

but I think if you're looking at something like svn, you're very close to perforce anyway

since perforce is free for <5 users

might as well make the jump then

[lyric pilot]

aha, so I have to pay for server as well here(for svn i meant)

[rotund bobcat]

idk if there's free cloud hosting, never done the svn setup myself, only used it shortly

maybe someone else can help you better with that

I'm a bit of a git fanboy :p

[lyric pilot]

I have used git a little bit, I like it as well

but I was worried if it can be problematic for the artist who works inside the engine

[rotund bobcat]

tbh you'll probably have very little issue if you're only working with 2 people

the problems only start to arise if multiple people are working on the same things

[lyric pilot]

aha, got it. thanks.

[rotund bobcat]

you can give it a try, and if it doesn't fit your style you can always just swap to something else I guess

[lyric pilot]

sure thing.
what's your preferable GUI for git?

[rotund bobcat]

I like sourcetree

but use your own 64 bit version of git maybe instead of the embedded git, and turn of their LFS media adapter or whatever it's called

[lyric pilot]

aha, got it.🙏

technically I have not encountered to large file problems using git, but as far as I know you can't push a file larger than 100mb, is that true?

[rotund bobcat]

not necessarily, again depends on the host, git in itself doesn't really have size limitiations, but like github or sourcetree or whatever probably do

[lyric pilot]

someone told me github desktop does not allow to push a file larger than 100 mb so I thought it's something to do with git

[rotund bobcat]

github has the file size limit of 100mb

but git =/= github

[lyric pilot]

what teams do with these limits?

[rotund bobcat]

git lfs 🙂

lfs = large file system

https://git-lfs.github.com/

basically throws your big files on another "server" and keeps pointers to those files in your repository

[lyric pilot]

so many useful info (: tnq

[naive plover]

what source control is most commonly used? for both small indie studios and big game companies.

[sturdy lake]

Git or Perforce mainly

Git for very small teams, as it doesn't deal well with binary assets

SVN and PlasticSCM are also used. I believe someone who works on PUBG said the other week that they use SVN

[rotund bobcat]

Plastic seems very promising, but I've never used it though

[sturdy lake]

I'm going to have a look at Plastic and SVN to replace Perforce at some point next year. Our current Perforce licenses run until October

[naive plover]

what are the pricing for these options?

[rotund bobcat]

depends on what you pick, for git it depends by what host you use and how much data you need and such

perforce is free for self hosting up to 5 users, but after that gets really expensive

SVN is free if you self host afaik

no idea about plastic

[naive plover]

is that 5 users per repo? i mean if i have 2 projects with two diffrent groups of people (less than 5 ppl each) can i create 2 repos free or will i have to pay?

[rotund bobcat]

not sure, I don't use perforce myself

[naive plover]

@sturdy lake do you know the answer to my question above?

[sturdy lake]

It's 5 for the whole server

You could possible set up 2 servers with 5 different people on each...

[naive plover]

okey

[lyric pilot]

what do you mean by self hosting?

[woven sluice]

You run the server yourself

[rotund bobcat]

^

[lyric pilot]

so I don't need to buy a server at all?

totally free right?

[woven sluice]

Not for 5 users/logins, if you want to run it on a PC you already own

[rotund bobcat]

well you neeed a machine to host it on

but it could be your workstation itself technically

[lyric pilot]

Is it possible for a team of 2 to use this feature?

[woven sluice]

By my guess, 2 is probably less than 5, so it should work

[rotund bobcat]

as long as you both have a way of connecting to this machine yeah

e.g. over lan or whatever

[lyric pilot]

hmm I was thinking about how my friend can have access to my machine

[woven sluice]

Most people try to host it in a VPS as it provides slightly faster/reliable access for remote members but if you're in a pinch local hosting does work

[lyric pilot]

is there any tutorial that I could use to learn how to do it?

[woven sluice]

Perforce is complex so expect some learning curve if you choose to try it

They have lots of articles and video tutorials on everything, plus YouTube should have a few

[lyric pilot]

I guess it's better for me to start with git then move on to others

[rotund bobcat]

check the pinned messages of this chat

there's some good info and tutorials there

[woven sluice]

Everyone should learn how to use GIT. no programmer/developer has ever learned GIT and said "I wish I never learned how to use it well"

[sturdy lake]

Everyone should learn how to use git on the command-line.

Using a GUI is fine, but it doesn't help you understand what's going on as well

https://xkcd.com/1597/

xkcd: Git

If that doesn't fix it, git.txt contains the phone number of a friend of mine who understands git. Just wait through a few minutes of 'It's really pretty simple, just think of branches as...' and eventually you'll learn the commands that will fix everything.

[orchid harbor]

Nah, I exclusively use git from the command-line but I don't think you learn more by doing that. Probably much better to just read some short articles on how to do basic stuff and understand the fundamentals of it all.

[merry verge]

Seconding ^
Working exclusively with a UI is fine, you can learn the fundamentals just fine that way (push/pull/commit/fetch/etc).
God forbid you had to teach the command line to an artist (not that git via a UI is great either)...

[lyric pilot]

Hi, I'm using git + SourceTree. I'm practicing how I can go back to my previous commit(let's say I want to go back to a specific commit because I'm unhappy about my commits).
here is the picture to demonstrate what I want to achieve.
I want to go back to 3rd commit, I used Checkout... button and "Head" is now on my 3rd Commit. But it seems everything in my project remains the same. Is there any additional step?

The only thing is that every asset I have added after my 3rd commit has a star mark(unsaved) in Content Browser.

[kindred arch]

I don't use SourceTree but you are looking from something like reset to here (this is from git fork)

also stash any local changes first if you want to keep them

[lyric pilot]

stash button seems to be disabled, but sometimes it's enabled. is there any rule for stashing?

[kindred arch]

There needs to be something unstaged to be stashed

[lyric pilot]

I clicked on a commit I want to go back to, I used Reset To this commit option and it gives me 3 options.
which one should I use?

[kindred arch]

If you are OK losing all local changes (you have them committed or stashed) then choose hard. This is a full reset to that checkin

but if you have something you need to keep, you have to stash, commit or at least copy and paste it somewhere first 🙂

you can see from those descriptions what the 3 options do

[lyric pilot]

so first i should stash, then i should use the Hard option

[kindred arch]

yes

you can un stash into any branch so if you move forward from the older commit, you can then put your stashed changes into that new branch

[lyric pilot]

I used Hard option, now my local master is on my 3rd commit. but the origin/master is still on the latest commit

[kindred arch]

yup it would be

you would have to do the same thing on the remote. I don't have a 'spare' project here to test on but you have to either do it on the remote which I think is the same process or you have push you reset to the origin, you'd need to search for how to do that

looks like you can do a force push if you are very sure

https://dev.to/lofiandcode/git-and-github-how-to-hard-reset-local-and-remote-repository-4614

[lyric pilot]

thanks!

what's the difference between Reverse Commit and Reset Current Branch To This Commit ?

some people suggested to use reverse commit

[rotund bobcat]

reverse commit will create changes that do the inverse of everything from now back up to that commit

reset the branch to this commit will just reset the whole state of your project tot that commit, ignoring any history that came behind it

afaik

[lyric pilot]

@rotund bobcat the thing is when i use reset commit option it resets the local branch to that commit

but the remote one still remains in the latest commit.

I can't find a way to reset both remote and local to a commit I want

I found something about git push -f which forces the branch to a commit

[rotund bobcat]

yeah

a force push overwrites the remote state with your local state regardless of history clashes and stuff

[lyric pilot]

What's the difference between Merging and Pull Request?

it seems they both are used to merge a branch into master branch

[rotund bobcat]

merging is just merging it in, creating a pull request is creating a request to merge your changes in, giving you the opportunity to do e.g. code reviews or automated builds or whatever before approving the request to merge

[lyric pilot]

so it's like a safer way to merge our branch to the master

but in the basics they are doing the same thing

Dose that mean I should never use merge in teams?

[rotund bobcat]

the final goal of a pull request is to perform a merge

depends on your workflow

a common workflow is to have a "main" branch, where no one can just push to, but is only possible to be updated through pull requests. Developers then work on their own feature branches, where they can do whatever they want, then create a pull request of that branch into main, perform code review and automated tests and once approved let it auto merge into main

[lyric pilot]

got it thanks!

[tiny ore]

Hello, stupid ask probably dropped 20 time, but can't found the answer anywhere :

I've got a project, unreal engine is from launcher, project is c++.

We use perforce for the team.

Issue : Designer can't rebuild the project cause obviously, they don't have anything for.

How we can send (or what folder) we should send to avoid them having to recompile the project everytime a change is made in c++ ?

[rotund bobcat]

the binaries folder

but you should thinnk about how you approach it

cause if you just add the binaries folder to source control, your devs will always have open changes to those, which might be annoying

e.g. we have an automated build machine that creates the binaries on every push to the main branch and puts it in a separate folder, and then on designer/artist machines, we have a git hook that copies it from that folder to their local binaries folder

[tiny ore]

Hum, i checkout the binary folder, by look like they should recompile it even with this, should is share intermediate too in this case ?

after not a lot of concern cause we don't have only two dev.

it's really focused for artist

and game designer

[rotund bobcat]

just the binaries folder should be fine normally

but you have to compile in Development Editor btw

those are the binaries that the .uproject uses when opening without vs

[tiny ore]

Understood, i will try to checkout the whole folder.

unfortunally, still need to recompile

[rotund bobcat]

and you're sure you have the development binaries?

not DebugGame Editor binaries?

[tiny ore]

yup

https://gyazo.com/3842ef6030424175ccaef7971fbc1df5

[rotund bobcat]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

guess it's time to give up on life then

there's also UGS, but I've never used it

https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/ProductionPipelines/DeployingTheEngine/UnrealGameSync/index.html

[woven sluice]

Dieter is right - just submitting (all) Binaries folders is all you need for artists.

[tiny ore]

haha, i will throw an eye into it.

[woven sluice]

Are you using classic depot or streams depot?

[tiny ore]

classic depot

[rotund bobcat]

is that an expression I don't know of or do you just randomly have eyes laying around

[woven sluice]

So with a classic depot each person is in charge of their own workspace mapping. Coders will generally want to exclude all binaries folders from their workspace, except one coder dedicated to updating the binaries for artists. Normally you will also set up a continuous integration system to do this for you

But one step at a time

[lyric pilot]

What happens if I'm on branch A and I'm pushing a commit but I check mark Master or other branches' instead of only check marking A

[woven sluice]

(I don't know if anyone mentioned it btw, but if you're working in a team branching is useless for Unreal dev. Good practice to learn the basics anyway)

[lyric pilot]

What's the reason?

[woven sluice]

Because you can't merge uassets

One branch has to die

[rotund bobcat]

branching is still good for code

or for other stuff as long as you don't create binary conflicts tbh

[lyric pilot]

so artists or whomever works inside Unreal should work in master branch right?

[rotund bobcat]

we had a master branch with latest release, then main branch with latest stable update, then an art branch for arists and designers, and then developers just created feature branches for code

[woven sluice]

Totally disagree. Uassets normally depend on that code.

[rotund bobcat]

well, it's worked for us for over 2 years now

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[woven sluice]

Everyone working in main is sadly the most robust way to work. Don't even try branching unless everyone is super familiar with both unreal and git (or rather, with your vcs)

Alternative logic: you can use branching, but as a team everyone should be working in the same branch at the same time

E.g. Everyone works on dev branch, or everyone works on release branch

When you switch, one branch can just totally override the other

[lyric pilot]

I'm still learning about git so I could not understand what you meant here, let's say I have a material in my branch A, based on what I understood I'm not gonna be able to merge my branch A into master?

[rotund bobcat]

if there's a change to the same material on master

that you did not have when you started working on it on A

then you would have a conflict

cause it changed in both master and A since their common history point

with code you can resolve this with merge tools or manually

but for binary files, you're fucked

[lyric pilot]

now I understand

so the good practice is not to change anything on master

only merge the final results to it

[rotund bobcat]

it depends really

there's different workflows, different solutions

[lyric pilot]

Is there any guide line about this?

[woven sluice]

As long as you don't modify a binary file more than once in different branches you won't run into this challenge

[rotund bobcat]

https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/comparing-workflows

but basically yeah binary conflicts are the devil

[lyric pilot]

Also I marked master to see what will happen, nothing happened

[rotund bobcat]

what do you mean with marked

in that push ddialog?

that would just mean you push your local changes to master to the remote version of master as well

see "remote branch" next to it

[lyric pilot]

I added a sound cue in engine, pushed it in branch lets say A, and at pushing time I marked both A and master as I have demonstrated in that picture

[rotund bobcat]

that would do nothing to master if you didn't change anything on your local master

[lyric pilot]

but sound cue is not pushed into master

[rotund bobcat]

to do that you would need to check A and change the remote branch to master

then you would push your commits of A on master if possible

but that would be a weird thing to do tbh

you should use either merges or rebasing

[lyric pilot]

yeah I was just wondering what will happen, just experiencing

[tiny ore]

This is an expression haha :p

The issue of the rebuild can be cause i've got symbol in my unreal launcher version and they dont ?

i think it's a no, but i really struggeling on this one.

[rotund bobcat]

ah wait

they don't have VS at all on their pc maybe?

because you do need some VC++ redistributables by default to work with unreal and stuff

maybe that's the problem?

[tiny ore]

they don't have vs at all.

oh just vc++ redistrubale is enough ? i will check.

[rotund bobcat]

I think so yeah

not 100% sure

We just installed VS on arists pc's as well

sometimes handy when you need to walk overr to their desk and do some local debugging 🙂

[tiny ore]

i will try, thanks !

[coarse coral]

How do you force add an ignored filetype in perforce? I keep getting "ignored file can't be added.", and now even removing it from the ignore file list I still get that...

scratch the last part I also ignored the parent folder, but I would still like to know how to force without unignoring then reignoring

ahh, command line p4 add -I "filename", too bad can't do it in p4v...

[woven sluice]

yeah I usually just rename my ignore file, add it, unrename it lol

if you have other edits and run Reconcile Offline Work it has an option to turn off the ignores for the reconcile, but you can only pick it if the window pops up, so if all edited files are ignored you can't do it that way because the window won't pop up

[tired herald]

So is set up github for my ue4 project and what does my friend need to do to open it an actualise my project

?

[lyric pilot]

Is it ok to merge a pull request from Bitbucket itself? or it's just better to merge within source tree itself after the approval of pull request?

someone on Youtube said it's not recommended to merge from Bitbucket but didn't say why.

[crude locust]

i have a query....i have configured a svn server for working with my team....and i have tested it....all i want to know is now...which are the files that we should share on version control system....i am unable to find and specif answers at the forms and other locations so i rather tried it on the entire folder that contains my project...which is quite dumb i know....but if anyone has any idea about it...i would be happy to learn more.....

[sturdy lake]

Doing the merge in bitbucket is absolutely fine, but I would always recommend merging your develop branch into your feature branch locally so that you can test that it’s all good first. And then the merge on bitbucket from your feature branch into develop should be seamless

[runic summit]

What's the correct procedure to connect to a remote Perforce server that's behind a VPN? I've remoted in (Chrome remote desktop, so I don't know how Chrome handles things) and ipconfig tells me the IP address that the computer is currently connected to - I've tried using that and my normal ports for the perforce server (1666) and it doesn't work - what am I missing here?

[woven sluice]

I'm not an expert but I think to work with things on a VPN, you join the VPN with some software and then you can connect to things via their local ips like that (ipconfig shows local ip)... why put it on a VPN though? Or is it somehow beyond your control

[pulsar parcel]

VPNs just make it so you can access an internal network remotely

so you would connect to the perforce server using the IP of the server on the network

as you would do on the physical LAN

[jolly fog]

Hello guys, I made gitub repo which is private, and I shared it with one more person who will be colaborator, but I can't push update

I have this error

I logged out and logged again in but same error, I think best decision will be to log with ssh key but I have problems with generating and when I checked for existing keys and it writes that I have 26, lol

also for sourec control I use the desktop application for Windows

I follow this tutorial: https://docs.github.com/en/free-pro-team@latest/github/authenticating-to-github/connecting-to-github-with-ssh
but 😦

I have this

[fringe abyss]

xfs or ext4 for a perforce linux server?

[stone swallow]

@fringe abyss https://community.perforce.com/s/article/2984

[fringe abyss]

great article for sure.. doesnt answer my question. but still very good to know

also read this one https://community.perforce.com/s/article/3131

but it says at the end they have not tested ext4(i guess in answering my own question, go with what has been tested)

[cyan jay]

YMMV but I've been running p4 for 3 people for 12 months on ext4 / Ubuntu 18.04 with no problems 🤷

[bold scarab]

Git question: I'm having an issue with a fairly large commit causing a build to crash. When I rollback one commit everything works just fine. Unfortunately the logs in the packaged build don't give me much info, so I need to comb through the commit to find what change caused the issue. What's the most efficient way to do this? I was thinking to branch from the working commit then make each change one by one to see which one breaks it, but that seems really tedious when the commit has 50+ files changed.

[distant sinew]

a really naive approach that would be slightly faster would be to auto-commit each changed file with a loop and then utilize git bisect

for file in $(git diff --name-only); do git add $file && git commit -m "$file changed"; done

you'll have to keep in mind the cases where some files' changes depend on other files' changes which get committed later in the order

[bold scarab]

Right

[distant sinew]

also, are you able to package the build with debug symbols? i assume by saying you don't have much info means you don't get a stack trace or anything like that

[bold scarab]

Well, I get a stack trace, but the error I'm getting seems to point to a large possibility of problems based on my research.

But, I am fairly new on packaging stuff.

[quiet juniper]

Hey all, I'm looking for suggestions for large object handling in github. We've been using GH for a long time, but we haven't come up with a good workflow for our large assets. We hit the github LFS 1GB free limit and started using zip files for large assets after that happened. I'm thinking there's gotta be a better strategy that doesn't involve paying for github's increased storage limits... anyone have advice?

[merry verge]

use a provider that has a higher limit

or pay for more

[quiet juniper]

Haha alright, that probably makes the most sense. I take it that git LFS is the standard solution for this?

[merry verge]

Yep

Its the most widely supported method for storing large files in git and includes other things that are usually necessary like file locking

If you need another provider, look at azure devops. There's no hard limit on storage, though I believe it charges if you have more than some number of users. Might also look at gitlab and bitbucket, not sure what their limits are for private repos

[languid escarp]

I've accidentally unpushed, uncommitted, unstaged and discarded two git commits of mine - is there any way to get them back

[merry verge]

if they haven't been gc'd... maybe

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34751837/git-can-we-recover-deleted-commits

[languid escarp]

thanks checking!

wheeeeeeeeeee thanks @merry verge

[latent blade]

anyone know why SVN would suddenly get really slow (only from Unreal editor, not from Tortoise)?

Up to half a minute to check out a file.

[frozen harness]

Hi Light3n1ng, we use SVN as well.

This is what is in our SVN:IGNORE property:

.vs
Binaries
DerivedDataCache
Intermediate
IOS
Mac
Plugins
Release
Saved
Source
Stage
TVOS
WindowsNoEditor
build.bat
MacNoEditor

[frozen harness]

Hi enko, we have found that SVN is terribly slow in UE4 editor when working on the VPN.

It does a massive amount of SVN STATS

which is so frustrating

[crude locust]

so you guys keep the entire project directory for sync? and ignore these dir and files

[frozen harness]

Yes, thats correct

I think I may have missed the Build folder in that list

@latent blade, though if its just checking out a file, that could be the machine that svn is running on having something use the disc

[crude locust]

thanks a lot.....although i switched form svn to git. ill add the following to my git:ignore.

[frozen harness]

yeah we have the same basic folders for our git ignore as well.

did you do the git lfs properties as well?

I haven't got my lfs properties handy though sorry

[jaunty hornet]

I've got a dev who's working remotely so he needs to change computers

He's got his P4 workspace on an external drive

Can he just install P4 on his new computer, create a new workspace and point its root to the workspace directory on the extenal drive

[crude locust]

i am using aws ..it says some stuff that it can handle large files

i have tried upoading files as bug as 100mb

itwas working..should i try it for larger files?

[frozen harness]

its been a long while since i did the lfs properties, but if you dont set them then its just storing them in git as binary files.
In the lfs properties thing, you tell it that uasset, umap files are binary and it then stores them in the lfs side of things.

this is one of the better links I had bookmarked: https://stefanperales.com/blog/unreal-engine-4-and-git-lfs/

[crude locust]

I dont get it .......even if i update this with the adress of the git repo where i am hosting it..it wont push anything to the server. rather show me a msg of changes made on push

[cyan jay]

No I wouldn't recommend that. Workspace maintains a list of file states and two different workspaces pointing to the same files is asking for trouble.
They should have 2 workspaces with 2 copies of the files if at all possible.
Or maybe they can re-use a workspace but you need to configure perforce into allowing use of the workspace on a different computer.
https://www.perforce.com/manuals/p4guide/Content/P4Guide/configuration.workspace_view.multiple_computers.html

[jaunty hornet]

Welp

We'll fix that when he comes back then

[latent blade]

thank you, that was it... turned off VPN - back to normal. So odd... because SVN server is local.

[cosmic minnow]

does anyone know if blender has a p4 plugin, it's very annoying having to go find the file im working on to check it out

[fringe abyss]

can anyone please explain on linux how to setup a p4 depot on a drive other than the one p4 has been installed on?

[burnt shadow]

chant dark rituals and commit blood sacrifice

you want to config your perforce root / database root

I think thats what they call it

you can run p4d with a command line arg that changes its root

if you're talking about one depot on one drive and one depot on another drive

I don't think thats possible

at least not easily possible

[fringe abyss]

oof Allar.. i been following your tutorial lol

[burnt shadow]

yeah don't do that

use newer information

[fringe abyss]

lol

alright

i want to have all depots on this 100gb drive i have

instead of the main system one which is 25gb

[burnt shadow]

i plan by end of january 2021 to have a whole new way to set up source control

so i can delete that old article

[fringe abyss]

yeah ill do some research, gotta catch up on ubuntu commands

thanks anyways

[burnt shadow]

aye

[mental stirrup]

that old article was meant to be a meme from the start

[burnt shadow]

it was meant to generate free server hosting money through referrals

and it totally did

[fringe abyss]

oops.. i had already setup a DO server before that

[mental stirrup]

i never said memes dont work

😛

its a bit of a drag to set it all up tho :/

[merry verge]

You can always symlink the depot root folder to a different drive. Probably best to just figure out what config option can be used to relocate it though.

[woven sluice]

https://www.perforce.com/perforce/r14.2/manuals/p4sag/appendix.p4d.html

-r

e.g. ./p4d -d -In p4master -p 1234 -r /opt/perforce/servers/p4master
runs p4d in the background, named p4master, on port 1234, using the specified folder as root for server data

[fringe abyss]

yeah Hojo thanks

i finally got to that when i go to p4 config

it asked me for the folder to setup it all up in (this is all a fresh install)[and i put it on the mnt point for the new drive + those additional paths]

im just stuck now at this unicode yes or no question

[woven sluice]

think the default is no unicode

but ... i can't recall

[fringe abyss]

it is, just wasnt sure if i should use the default..

yay i did it.. this was kinda fun

[gleaming lichen]

Hey guys 👋 My very first question! I just want to mess around with the real-time caustics shown in the readme of this repo.
https://github.com/NvRTX/UnrealEngine/tree/NvRTX_Caustics
I'm aware that opening the project in Epic's official branches is not enough, meaning I would have to use this branch in order to make the caustics effect work. However, I'm not quite sure how to change a branch on my Windows. Normally, I just run Epic Games Launcher and then choose which UE4 to be opened. What am I missing here?

[woven sluice]

it sounds like you've never used GIT, so you might want to start by finding some resources such as tutorial videos or other websites to learn about what GIT is and how to use it

[gleaming lichen]

I have. souds like you didn't understand my question., but thanks.

[hoary lichen]

guys anyone uses SVN here ?

[woven sluice]

well then, if you know how to use GIT then surely you know that you just open your preferred GIT client to the UE source repository which you've already found and presumably connected to, and follow your client's procedures to switch to the branch.

[hoary lichen]

I'm tryna work on a project with my friend,I just tried SVN yesterday but I think its not a good idea to use SVN cloud server for such use case is it ?

[gleaming lichen]

Sorry, my question was not clear. I've never used any GIT client to use unreal. Epic Games Launcher manages ue4 versions (at least speaking of my case. make sense?

[woven sluice]

https://medium.com/@ianhirschfeld/compiling-unreal-engine-from-source-ed59d2399cfb
and
https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/ProductionPipelines/DevelopmentSetup/BuildingUnrealEngine/index.html

should help you out

actually the first link is kind of old and obsolete ... I shouldn't have posted it

if you've used GIT then you should generally already know how to use github to clone the engine source repo, if you haven't or if you need help with that, you should say so

[gleaming lichen]

thanks so much! I guess these links would be enough. I've cloned repos. just wasn't sure how to connect a repo to Epic Games Launcher...

[woven sluice]

you don't

it is possible after you've manually built a source engine to get the launcher to recognize it but normally you don't bother

good luck!

[gaunt arrow]

how do people typically store secret keys that might be needed on a dedicated server, but not accessible in client builds?

(in such a way that you don't have keys available in your source control)

[cyan jay]

@gaunt arrow Good question - I keep mine in two places. Firstly in my CI server (TeamCity) the aws credentials for uploading builds are stored as TeamCity secrets.
Secondly I keep AWS credentials for dedicated server file access in a local file created by TeamCity job when the dedicated server is started.

[fringe abyss]

A lot of people use SVN. I've been on maybe 4 or 5 projects with it and I always have issues with it at some point, maybe its something I've done wrong. I switched to perforce because it always "just works" and seems a lot faster. Branching also isn't really a feature of SVN if you do want that at some point. SVN might be easier to setup though, but perforce also isn't that hard... you can self host either for free and keep it on your own local machine or use something like Digital Ocean/Linode/Aws to host a server in the cloud (which isn't that difficult either)

[hoary lichen]

the thing is I'm in a restricted country but still I think I can use perforce on my local machine right ?

[hoary lichen]

what do you think about Plastic SCM ? doesn't that provide more free stuff than Perforce ?

[fringe abyss]

I've never used it. Perforce is free up to 5 users, though 1 user can have multiple workspaces... SVN is free for unlimited amount of users...

[grizzled berry]

my new partner and I are trying to set up source control with Github. and are receiving an authentication error that has had us stuck for days. Hopefully yall can help. ill have him post the error now

[jolly fog]

Hello guys, I have problem with the source control, I use github desktop for source control and github web server, and I connected it in ue 4 successfully
I succeed in commiting the stuff but I can't push

I have this error

[sturdy lake]

Most likely The first, yes. However it looks like you had a commit A that branched to both B and C, and now you want to rebase C on top of B, there have been changes to that uasset in both B and C. If you are happy to lose the changes from B then fine. If you want to use both sets of changes you’ll have to manually merge them.

[jolly fog]

I have the same error like you @jolly fog

anyone can help us fixing this problem?

[noble moat]

Hello everyone. I use github for source control, I can submit my files properly and I do not have a problem so far. The problem starts here:

As I import the content from Epic Store to the project, the size of the project is growing. For example, whatever is in a 2GB character pack is imported, everything from animation to texture part. Does it happen when you install 3-4 more packages of this kind, the project is 10GB. Now I want to submit and commit this project and then fetch it. But my upload speed is pretty low. Now what I want to ask is:

What do you pay attention to while storing your projects on github? Is there a different and effective method you use? Or do you upload directly as I do?

[rotund bobcat]

use git lfs for larger files

[karmic meadow]

Has anyone used Digital Ocean's Spaces with git lfs? If so, how did you set it up?

I've tried linking the lfs endpoint to the server, but it is seems to not be working.

Just says Client error: {server url} and then that's it.

I'm trying to put it in a specific folder.

So my endpoint is as so - https://test-storage.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/project-name

[jolly fog]

anyone can help with the problem?

[jolly fog]

this error

[jolly fog]

I fllow these steps: https://docs.github.com/en/free-pro-team@latest/github/authenticating-to-github/error-permission-denied-publickey

but when I check for key that is used I can't find

I generated a lot keys and still doesn't work

anyone?

[jolly fog]

I think here this file is new

[jolly fog]

Now I have this error

[jolly fog]

anyone?

noone can help from 10k online

bruuuuuuuuuuh

[fringe abyss]

@jolly fog oof i had that error a lot using git as well

the only thing that fixed that for me was to just keep trying

this is also why I moved to other source control, and as far as possible from git.... 🚀

[quaint obsidian]

@jolly fog Seems like you are committing directly to Git (writing objects 15.92GB). This is not recommended

You should be using Git LFS

@karmic meadow that doesn't seem like an LFS endpoint, usually its at info/lfs/

Also, we just released PBSync 0.2.21: https://github.com/ProjectBorealis/PBSync/releases/tag/0.2.21

It is a utility, like Unreal Game Sync, for syncing an Unreal Engine 4 project.

It has the following features:

• Unreal Engine 4 build download through Google Cloud Storage (via gslib integration, supports chunked, parallel downloading), or any HTTP download server (via ue4versionator, which we just released v4 of ( https://github.com/projectborealis/ue4versionator )), both of which support download resume and verification
  • You can specify various bundles (different build configurations of UE4 to optimize for different workflows, like stripping UE4 game targets to save space) and exclude split symbols into a separate optional download
  • Old UE4 builds are automatically cleaned up
  • Highly compressed 7z archives are supported, with fast, native, multi-threaded extraction
• Automatic Unreal Engine 4 setup (prerequisites, file associations, and for programmers, project file generation)
• Game binaries syncing for artists with md5 check-summing, and optional user selected version support
• Handling of Git pull, including handling of various errors, and it's optimized to be fast
• Background maintenance of the Git repo
• Configuration of the Git LFS 2 source control plugin
• Git, Git LFS and Git Credential Manager Core auto-update (with version enforcement policy)
• Configuration of p4merge as a visual diffing tool for Unreal Engine 4 text based assets (data assets and some Blueprint graphs)
• CI tools, like version management of UE4 and game project version, as well as Discord game deployment using Dispatch
• And most importantly, a Python backend with rich, extensible API, that can be extended for your project

We mentioned it a bit in our blog post ( https://www.projectborealis.com/git-distributed-collaboration-at-scale )

If anyone is interested in using this stack, let me know and I can prepare some more information about its usage and get it ready for general use.

[karmic meadow]

Do you have any experience with setting up LFS with Digital Ocean's Space product?

[quaint obsidian]

No

I see that it is an object storage service, you can't use object storage directly with LFS

you have to use something like GitLab or some other LFS server to handle the object storage

[mystic sparrow]

Impressive tech @quaint obsidian, kudos. I'm with perforce right now, but I have it noted down in case I switch back to git.

[quaint obsidian]

this will be done directly without URLs, through the object storage's API

[karmic meadow]

So, self host a gitlab, then set it up to direct the LFS to the object storage?

[quaint obsidian]

I see that this is an s3 object store

yes

[karmic meadow]

Then I need a droplet and then a Space addition.

Alright.

[quaint obsidian]

if you are tight on compute, gitlab will likely be too heavy

https://github.com/git-lfs/git-lfs/wiki/Implementations

you can look around for S3 compatible servers here

most of them should be pretty light weight

[quaint obsidian]

Thanks for the nice words :) lemme know if you do, and I will see about cleaning up stuff and adding more documentation, if I haven't already by that time!

[karmic meadow]

Self hosting gitlab would be too heavy? Dang.

Huh - looks like gitea claims to be lightweight.

So, I can slap that on my droplet, then set up some way to have it move the binary to the object storage.

[broken narwhal]

how i fix this i got lfs install

[quaint obsidian]

did you migrate

[broken narwhal]

what is the proper command in git bash it give errors

git lfs migrate import --everything --include="*.uasset,*.umap"

that

[quaint obsidian]

git lfs migrate import --fixup --everything

or git lfs migrate import --fixup --include-ref master

[quaint obsidian]

I would say a well functioning GitLab server needs 4 cores and 8GB RAM. It has high initial cost but scales very well. Versus the other solution that have light footprint but probably don't scale nearly as well

Gitea should be fine

[broken narwhal]

where i put reference to the file location

[quaint obsidian]

make sure it has S3 or Space integration for LFS objects @karmic meadow

[quaint obsidian]

you don't. fixup uses your .gitattributes

[broken narwhal]

i got this error

[quaint obsidian]

can you try commiting the files you currently have

click commit anyway

then migrate

[broken narwhal]

.gitattributes file fix it

[jolly fog]

Yeah, my project is around 17gb and I created empty repo and then decided to move all the project into the new folder where is the new repo and try to push it but I was not ebale to do it, so how I can do it with lfs? @quaint obsidian

[quaint obsidian]

https://git-lfs.github.com/

Install Git LFS here, it saays how to use it in getting started

58GB now :D. We use a GitHub Pro plan with a personal repo ($4/month flat), not the team plan. Our organization is entirely open source.

[jolly fog]

I installed it days ago

[quaint obsidian]

but did you actually add the files to git lfs

doesnt seem like it

[long hull]

Don't you have to buy data packs to use that much storage on GitHub?

[jolly fog]

how to add the files

idk which are the biggerfiles

the content is bigger than 100mb

[quaint obsidian]

umap and uasset

[jolly fog]

okay

so I open git bash in the repo directory and write .add umap and add. uasset?

[quaint obsidian]

yes then git lfs migrate import --everything --fixup

[autumn geyser]

Attempting to learn Perforce. Anyone here familiar with removing exclusive locks?

[merry verge]

If you manually locked the file (p4 lock) then you can use p4 unlock to unlock it.
If the files were locked via checkout (due to their file type) then they should be reverted (or submitted) to remove the lock. They can be force-unlocked with p4 unlock -fx if you're an admin, but that's not part of the normal workflow.

[autumn geyser]

I wish it were that easy

On the Linux side I’m told I need to add a client whenever I attempt any p4 commands

[merry verge]

have you set P4PORT

and P4CLIENT

[autumn geyser]

Yup

Had no issues with the setup

The file is exclusively locked to a user need to clear that lock

[gaunt yoke]

I should've looked into perforce before using git 🤦‍♂️

[jolly fog]

if you are on a pkg-build system you can add "p4v" and "p4". The latter one is the command line client and the former one a gui to access your repo. The client is needed if you use perforce from within vscode, I figured

[karmic meadow]

Does anyone know how much each additional user costs with Helix Core?

I can't seem to find that info anywhere.

[woven sluice]

it isn't public, you have to contact them for a private quote. I think if you look enough you'll find people usually claiming they're paying around $40 per user per month or a little higher

so once you get that 6th user you're looking at like a $3000-ish bill annually

[don't quote me on that]

[karmic meadow]

Wow...that's kind of a big jump, lol

[woven sluice]

yeah it's basically... completely retarded

[sturdy lake]

$420 per user per year, so $35 per month. I know that Bitbucket operates a similar model - you can get 5 users for free, but once you want the 6th user, you have to pay for all 6.

^ is what we pay, anyway

[karmic meadow]

Yeah - that sudden hit for the 6th user is pretty lame. Should be gradual imo.

[sturdy lake]

It can be gradual if you want to pay for users 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 as you grow

🙂

[quaint obsidian]

Most offerings I've seen like that just make the first N always free

or have a lower base price once you pass N users

[autumn geyser]

I'll reask/phrase this question: how do I remove an exclusive lock from an improperly deleted repo(perforce)?

[cunning steeple]

Good storage for unreal project.
I don't mean HDD or SSD.

You can ask on my question.

Please?

[merry verge]

What?

[quaint obsidian]

I'm so happy :) finally got all sorts of binary merging & diffing for blueprint based assets :D

using p4merge + binary merge driver in git

[cyan jay]

Wait, what? What is this blueprint merging you speak of?!

[muted gulch]

Hey folks - I don't suppose there are any Perforce Server admins/experts around are there? I'm having major trouble trying to migrate my P4 repository from Windows to Linux using p4migrate despite following the documentation to the letter every time. When restoring the checkpoint on the Linux server, I still get errors about case-handling mismatches as well as a specific line error.

Server version 51 is replaying a version 46 journal/checkpoint.
Case-handling mismatch: server uses Unix-style (-C0) but journal flags are Windows-Style (-C1)!

Tried every combination I can think of at this point, even trying to run P4 in case-insensitive handling instead, but every approach I take comes to a dead end. Appreciate any tips before I sacrifice 3+ years of changelogs to the source control Gods.

Also, as there are actually no case-issues with the checkpoint reported when using p4migrate, and since the depot files have successfully had their case updated on the Linux server - does anybody know if I can force-replay the original checkpoint file with -C0?

[cyan jay]

@muted gulch
Sorry I have never moved a server from Windows to Linux, and I never had a failure replaying a checkpoint.
Did you open a ticket with Perforce? In my experience the support has been very good - even on the free tier.

[muted gulch]

I did open a ticket yeah, but the e-mail I got back essentially said "you have no license so we'll transfer you to sales"

I'll see what they come back with, it's odd that they let you file a ticket without a valid license if all they're going to do is transfer you to sales...

[cyan jay]

that sucks, I had an issue about 9 months ago and they helped me resolve it no problem.

[muted gulch]

Yeah! I'm hoping they'll give at least a nudge of help if nobody else knows

[runic summit]

why is source control seeing this redirector?

I've been checking through my pending to make sure that file doesn't still exist and any deletion revisions were committed - what else should I be looking for?

(and submitted list too0

[winged tiger]

@muted gulch Did you use -C1 when you rebuilt the database from the checkpoint?

[muted gulch]

@winged tiger yeah I tried that, still get the same error message

[winged tiger]

Are you migrating to the same version of Perforce?

You should migrate to the same version that your windows box is using

And then upgrade the linux box post migration

Don't try to migrate different versions of Perforce

[muted gulch]

Ah so one problem there...

[winged tiger]

Yeah

That is what that error message is talking about

Server version 51 is replaying a version 46 journal/checkpoint.

Your linux perforce is ahead of the one you are trying to restore

Which is going to cause issues

[muted gulch]

I can't get the same version of perforce on Linux, as they don't have that version for Ubuntu 20.04

Do you think I could update the windows server version instead then try?

[winged tiger]

yes, that will work

[muted gulch]

Okay, I'll try that for now!

Still confused about that very specific line error too

Also I don't suppose you know, can you delete checkpoint files?

Actually.. I'll keep them just in case 😄

[winged tiger]

yeah you can delete whatever you want. But I would wait until the migration is complete before doing that

So upgrade your windows perforce and then redo all of the migration steps, with the new journal/checkpoint generated after upgrading.

[muted gulch]

Thanks! I'll give that a shot!

[winged tiger]

No problem 🙂

[muted gulch]

@winged tiger Dammit 😦 Unfortunately got the same issue again. the checkpoint file is bigger now, but still getting a replay failed at line x error and the case-handling mismatch message too

Strangely the line is always around the 5,000-ish mark. Starting to wonder if the file is too big, but it's only 42mb :/

[winged tiger]

Your checkpoint file is 42mb? Or journal?

It gives the same line every time? What is that line?

[muted gulch]

the checkpoint file yeah, I haven't uploaded the journal

well, it's a different line this time - but with the last checkpoint I tried, it was line 5,012 or something. This time it's line 5,111

But there's nothing wrong with the lines themselves as far as I can tell

@pv@ 0 @db.integed@ @//Stormtide/HTGame/HTGame/Content/Vehicles/Dropship/Animations/ANIM_VehicleHangar_Close.uasset@ @//Stormtide/HTGame/HTGame/Content/Vehicles/Dropship/Animations/ANIM_VehicleHangar_Open.uasset@ 0 1 0 1 6 1190

no different to any of the other lines really

I'm just surprised I'm still getting that case mismatch error too

[winged tiger]

Why does your checkpoint have .edited on it? Are you manually editing it?

[muted gulch]

no that's just the output file from p4migrate

[winged tiger]

Are your linux and windows machines the same byte order?

i.e. are they both 64 bit or 32 bit

[muted gulch]

yeah both 64 bit

[dusk heron]

hello, first time posting here. It been some time since I had to mess with P4 and I'm finding that UE 4.25 won't hold my settings. I'm fairly sure there is an INI where I can enter in the settings manually and permanently but I can't recall which INI. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

[merry verge]

Did you enable the p4 integration in the editor? If you did, did you click the "check out" button that appears at the top of the settings window? If you don't, unreal likes to discard your settings.

To actually answer your question though, configs are in the Config folder. Which config depends on what setting you want to change.

[dusk heron]

I appreciate the reply. Thanks. In the editor it comes up each time with "None (Source Control Disabled). When I select Perforce it populates with my settings minus the workspace. If I expand the area beneath my "available workspace" the Host area is populated with my P4 systems address and port. if I clear that section P4 then locates my proper "available workspace". P4 now works, at least until I exit, and then I have to reenter all of that again.

The settings I want to hard enter are the most basic ones: server, username, workspace

[merry verge]

Saved/Config/Windows/SourceControlSettings.ini

[PerforceSourceControl.PerforceSourceControlSettings]
Port=
UserName=
Workspace=

[SourceControl.SourceControlSettings]
Provider=Perforce

[dusk heron]

Odd mine is completely blank

[merry verge]

That file should autosave when you accept the p4 settings. The only reason I can think of it not saving is if the file is read-only... did you add your Saved folder to perforce?

[dusk heron]

was working properly prior the update to 4.25

I'll check the permissions

that makes logical sense

[merry verge]

definitely make sure you didn't add anything in saved to p4, don't want to submit that stuff...

regardless, you should be able to edit that ini and put in your settings

[dusk heron]

Yes, it was read only. Good call. Setting adjusted and saved. Thanks

[mellow chasm]

Hi, We're trying to use perforce with an local server, everything works except the .p4ignore file is not working properly. It's sending the binaries, intermediate, saved file for no reason. Maybe we didn't follow the right process to make the ignore file.

We just create the file and copy/paste one we found on internet.

We didn't use any command, maybe we have something to setup before

[cyan jay]

Yeah it's not very well supported - you need to run this cmd on all your clients

p4 set P4IGNORE=.p4ignore

[mellow chasm]

Any way without the p4 cli?

I didn't check it in the installation setup

[cyan jay]

hmm, not that I know.
What happens in p4v if you right click the workspace folder and choose 'Open Command Window here' ?

I think p4v will use environment variables if it can't find them in p4 set variables

[mellow chasm]

I can't right now as i'm at work

But i'll try tonight, thanks for the help 🙂

[cyan jay]

you could try setx P4IGNORE .p4ignore from cmd window

then restart p4v

the p4ignore option is used in p4v when adding files to changelist so you should know straightaway if it's working or not

[mellow chasm]

It will delete the folder in the server depot ?

directly or the admin will have to do it

[cyan jay]

no, admin or user will have to do it

p4ignore is client only

[mellow chasm]

So I download p4 cli, then do p4 set P4IGNORE=.p4ignore , mark all the folder that I don't want to be deleted ?

[cyan jay]

yes

you should also setup p4 typemap for unreal

[mellow chasm]

That's a fcking mess to setup x)

[cyan jay]

yes but it's an important mess 🙂

this is a good one imo
https://gist.github.com/trentpolack/428594c91019401e46ecd23195956cc3

replace depot with whatever your depot is called and just use it

[mellow chasm]

It's the default name ?

We didn't change it, if I remember correctly

[cyan jay]

ok you should be able to use it straight up then

[mellow chasm]

That's just copy paste ?

[cyan jay]

yep

[mellow chasm]

On server or every clients ?

[cyan jay]

just once on one client (with admin rights)

[mellow chasm]

Ok

Will try that asap, thanks

[cyan jay]

this has some useful info in: https://www.perforce.com/video-tutorials/vcs/start-collaborating-unreal-engine-and-helix-core

[mellow chasm]

that's better to restart from scratch ?

Because we already put the full project in the depot

[cyan jay]

it should be fine to fixup these few things

where is your server hosted?

the reason I ask, is deleting something does not free up the space (obviously I guess!)
if you want to actually free up the hard drive space on the server you'll need to use the p4 obliterate command

[mellow chasm]

The server is on my friend's computer

[woven sluice]

You don't have to use the p4 cli for this, no, just set OS environment variable. It's easy on windows

[mellow chasm]

But that means that there's only one P4IGNORE per computer ?

What if you have multiple workspace ?

or maybe I didn't undersand workspace

[woven sluice]

If you have multiple projects using different ignore filenames, a cleaner workflow instead is to set and use P4CONFIG

Then in each project/team you can specify the ignore file locally for that workspace

(In a config file)

[mellow chasm]

So creating an .p4config file in the workspace with P4IGNORE=.p4ignore in it ?

[cyan jay]

there's no path information in P4IGNORE=.p4ignore it checks each level of the folder so you can re-use the same var for all workspaces

assuming you always call the file .p4ignore

[mellow chasm]

That's look so weird coming from git

You set an p4ignore in the OS environment that check all the p4ignore in all the available workspace ?

[woven sluice]

That's right

Or you set p4config instead the same way, and in the config file you can set unique ignore, password, user names for the workspace

[mellow chasm]

Do you have any documentation, or tutorial to follow ?

To be sure to not mess everything

[woven sluice]

Just Google p4config, come back if you can't figure it out

https://i.gyazo.com/9cfe3041158fecc43f538f1eda6e92f2.png

I include template config and ignore files in my depot for users to copy and modify locally

6. Edit your p4config file and set:
   • P4IGNORE = the ignore file you just copied above
   • P4USER = your Perforce username (optional - Rider can use this for source control)
   • P4CLIENT = your Workspace name (optional - Rider can use this for source control)
   • P4PORT = our repo server address

7. Edit your p4ignore file, ensure your config and ignore file are both entered

Just random copy pastes from my own notes - still look at official docs for more

[mellow chasm]

So I download back the P4 CLI, open an cmd and set the command set P4IGNORE=.p4ignore but when i'm submitting, it still send binaries and shit folders

Do i need to restart ? or do something to check

[woven sluice]

Did you already submit those to perforce before the ignore was set up?

It will continue tracking files that are already in it. If so you might want to go into the admin program and obliterate the stuff that was supposed to be ignored

[mellow chasm]

Yes they were already on the server

Ok we obliterate all the folders that should be ignored, we test that

[woven sluice]

Obliterate is generally considered a "dangerous" command but I've done this a few times just fine. It might mess up the commit logs for the changes where these files were submitted. Usually not a big deal

[mellow chasm]

What means "check out" ?

Do you have an comparison with git ?

[umbral dew]

Is there anyone here good with Perforce that could quickly hop on a call and try to sort out problems? Happy to pay in advance.

[jolly fog]

@mushroom sause

[quaint obsidian]

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[open bone]

got it

[robust garnet]

hello i will need help for a collaborative connection i think i use perforce but i don't understand how other users can access the UE4 project modify it and send it back to me thanks in advance

[rotund bobcat]

through the magic of internet

your depot just needs to be accessible by all users over their network

[unborn relic]

Perforce works as a server client system. Each client has a copy of a branch of the server. You submit your changes as part of a Changelist to this server and then others can sync them.

[robust garnet]

I think it's a pity that there is no simple solution it's a real lack thank you for the info I'm going to inquire

domage*

[muted gulch]

It doesn't really get much simpler tbh

[robust garnet]

yes except when you don't know ^^ and there are a lot of videos that are all different you would have a reference video ? it would help me a lot

@muted gulch

[cyan jay]

https://www.perforce.com/blog/vcs/how-use-unreal-engine-4-perforce

Note - this video does not cover providing access to perforce server for remote users

if you are hosting locally you have to use port forwarding on your router to allow access, or you can host on a VM in the cloud

[hot geyser]

Has anyone here used Plastic Cloud before?

There seems to be no option to increase or buy extra storage space for the repo.

[merry verge]

I haven't, but from looking at it previously I thought it was a "pay as you go" type of deal, where there's no hard limit and you're just charged for what you use

i.e. you don't increase/buy more storage, you just get charged more on your next bill when you use more

[pallid ledge]

Does plastic have a ignore; like a git ignore? Trying to figure out how to do that

[ornate willow]

Perforce: Our project is 2 gigs, yet the depot is almost 30 gigs and trying to kick us out of the free AWS tier. I'm not finding the right keywords to find anything on this issue, can someone point me in the right direction?

[woven sluice]

Did you set up typemaps on the server to limit the version history of binary files? Have you checked your depot with the admin interface to see if there is stuff in there (that is now deleted) that shouldn't have been put in there and could be obliterated?

[tawdry thicket]

Hi there, got an issue with Source Control : I deleted a file media source asset referencing to a file containing spaces in its name. When trying to submit to source control, I've got fatal issues. The file causing the trouble is called "Animation logo Teapot-version courte.mp4" (I know that this is not a good file name 🙂 ). Oh and the file does exist in the git.

I tried re-importing the file with no success (the issue still persists)

[tawdry thicket]

Well I succeeded in re-implementing an old version of the file. I'll keep it unused somewhere instead of deleting it.

[pine citrus]

Hi guys, how's it going? I have an issue with version control now(GitHub desktop). one of my workmates was working on a level in 4.25.3 and I use 4.25.1 DQS. We merged branches: MyBranch -> main; WorkmateBranch -> main; I tried to merge on my PC, than some conflicts came up in GitHub desktop but they were auto resolved.After the merge, the map is gone from Content browser, but present in the file system. If I switch to his branch on my PC, it works, but my changes are gone. If I copy over the level, I get a ton of BP compiler errors, bad cast nodes etc... Anyone run into this before? Thanks

[unborn relic]

\o/ Don't think its an unreal issue, since you use extern git to handle your stuff. So I can just give some tips to prevent this: Don't use merge, use rebase. If you are not sure if a merge/rebase succeeds, push your changes at least into a local branch to reroll your changes.
Don't have your engine running while pulling stuff. Check your code matches your data. Don't work on the same assets. (You can use git lfs to lock files)

[rotund bobcat]

it would be very strange if the map auto merged conflicts

cause that's a binary file

auto resolving would corrupt your stuff

which is the case here

I think the easiest thing is to just checkout this specific file from either your commit or your friend's commit

one of you will lose your changes, but there's no way around that

[pine citrus]

can you drop me a link for a tutorial or something?

I guess its best to not to work on the same umap files at the same time

but I still dont understand, after merge conflict, it should use the newest version, right? in this case my friends one, because that is the one we merges last

[rotund bobcat]

yeah that should work if you pick his version

except if his is corrupt

you should probably also be using the same engine version though

[pine citrus]

I read about umaps dont like jumping around engine versions

[cyan jay]

Not a good idea to use different engines for many reasons unless you like tracking down strange bugs on a regular basis!
Yes you should not work on anything in the Content folder at the same time.
That's the reason many people use source control that supports locking (like perforce / svn) or extensions to Git that support locking (sorry I don't know much about git).

[pine citrus]

ok thanks!

my teammates not really into version control, they dont know how to use it and scared of it, but without it everything gets messy buggy and just difficult to deal with. but if I mess up with Git just like now they might blame me. not sure how to deal with it. would you be able to carry out gamedev from empty project to packaged alpha without any sort of version control?

[rotund bobcat]

could you? maybe, should you ever? absolutely not

it enables such easy content sharing and gives you complete version history of everything in your depot so that if something breaks you can just revert

or if you need something that you removed 3 weeks ago in code somewhere, you can just get it back

it has so many advantages

how else would you work to share project updates

[pine citrus]

that's what I tell 'em but I have to tell them harder 😄

[cyan jay]

Sell it to them that it's great learning if they ever want to work in professional gamedev industry 🙂

[rotund bobcat]

but how would it even work logistically to not have it

just send files over to everyone all the time?

[pine citrus]

what versioncontrol would you prefer for a team of 3 mostly BP based project

[rotund bobcat]

if you're working on mostly binary content like BPs definitely some centralized stuff like perforce or svn

perforce is probably best

[pine citrus]

absolutely copy pasting is just causing bullshit

[cyan jay]

Perforce is always my go-to, and it's free for <=5 users.
It's quite easy to use for the end user and less likely to screw up than git.

but it does mean you need to setup a server somewhere (cloud or local machine)

[rotund bobcat]

I like git a lot more, but then again, we do mostly code so no problems with binary files

[pine citrus]

we got tons of assets as well

50+gigs

[rotund bobcat]

if you were to use git with that you'd definitely need to setup git lfs as well

[pine citrus]

done that