source-control

[outer kiln]

ya i have lumen onm

9on

dain kehyboard drivingme nuts ,,

harfd time getting used to chicklets

;0-0-

heh

what is alternative to getting nice lumen lighting ?

lighting is hard to getr 'right

espeially on my huge outdoor level

[runic vault]

lumen is dynamic lighting

so its more a question of, do you need dynamic lighting or not?

if not then turn it off and used baked lighting

for similar visual quality but much lower rendering time

[outer kiln]

ok ill give it a try

[runic vault]

the drawback is having to build lighting, but its not a problem if you have a good cpu

[outer kiln]

any idea btw ,,I must hace done something i n svn,git or perf,,everytime Igot into landsape mode, up POPS 40 unsaved

[runic vault]

they also have the gpu lightmass thing but I never used it

[outer kiln]

i save,,and igt always comes back,ever see that ?

[runic vault]

save what?

[outer kiln]

me either ,nope

the 40 unsaved it alwaysw bugs me about

[runic vault]

I don't know what your referring to

[outer kiln]

ill try to take screenie

its just ink freeform

windows 11 pfro

pro

[runic vault]

you can use this to see what those are:

File dropdown menu

[outer kiln]

checking

ahh yes

[runic vault]

I have not had to work with landscape much so don't know what that is

[outer kiln]

its like I save them, nogood keep coming back,likeue isn'tsaving= them right or somegthing...

[runic vault]

check the log

[outer kiln]

its ok I thouight worth a try 😉

[runic vault]

to see if it says anything when you save em

[outer kiln]

no efrror comeds up on save

hm good, doing repo create in tortoise looks better!!

its doing more things

[runic vault]

yah dunno, landscape is one of the more complicated things in the engine and its changed a lot over the years

like I remember when it wasn't even called landscape

it was just "terrain"

[outer kiln]

hjehe

ya its a nighgtmare\

i could havegone eashy route and done gaea , but what I showed yu is a couple years of manual sculpting

all plahyable areas with thingsw to do

far fromdone ;0-0-

[runic vault]

years? what lol?

[outer kiln]

but ya, ill prob make sometrhing in gae at some point to push things faster

2anyway

not everyuday,,,but yy here and gthere

here and there

[runic vault]

yah I don't think people manual sculpt huge landscapes

but start with a procedural generated one and then touch it up

[outer kiln]

nope

well its just 5101 but ya

well it had to resemble idea i hacve for game

jlus if id done one in gaea or such im not sure you can edit over those ?never tried

[runic vault]

I think they also have features where you can have a low frequency manual sculpt and then modulate that with proc noise to add detail

[outer kiln]

i hadn't heard hm

blender even has stuff for randon seed terrain

nogt as good as gaea i dontthink but ya

[runic vault]

https://www.youtube.com/@UnrealEngine/search?query=landscape

non-destructive one and landmass maybe

I don't remember exactly

but they have videos that talk about stuff that is not in the documentation website

[outer kiln]

yes landmasx ive used igt\

but its very taxing on computer,,lagghyISH

ty for url looks good

[outer kiln]

ashhh got it finaly

so I right click dragged my 'project' dir whjere it all is 'atm, into working dir, and gtortoise said : svn copy and add files to this WC,,thats good right ? 😉

sounds like im where I need to be

that was just ,config dir

ill keep gong

so how do I update all this as files chjangein ue project ?

since I tuirned off svn in ue 5.3

svn update ?

so config, content and project icon should suffice I guess

dain SO fast

wwwwwwwwwwwwoah

since the link is set from project to working dir, all shoud be gold

[runic vault]

no lol

its just regular copy

so that the files exist in the folder

then you can svn-add them

and then svn-commit them

well, there is no such thing as svn-copy command

so presumeably you did just do regular copy

oh wait

I understand what you said now

yah that is a contextual thing specific to the drag and drop

so yes its correct

[runic vault]

do you mean commit? since its a local svn and your the only one committing that you don't need to update

to commit you just r-click the root folder in windows and do svn-commit

and it will bring up the dialog showing modified files

[outer kiln]

ok cool

root folder as in working ?

im wishing id been using sc long ago, given the '40 unsaaved' I keep gettting that wont go awaty, no clue how to fix , so far ;).....reeegrets ;)))

igts ok I'm askng around, ill fix it in time

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-yes-check-yes-checkmark-yes-checking-yes-gif-17016402979197551350

[runic vault]

yes

[ocean anvil]

what are the unsaved files?

if they are landscape proxy stuff its probably to do with the whole bugged landscape HLOD stuff in 5.3

if they are starter content it could be the engine reinstalling the startercontent on startup.

[outer kiln]

its the streamingproxy stuff

but im not using streaming atm just world part

well its never donethis till I strartd messng with svn

i mean sc

atm terrain hlod is ghosted out under build

greyed LOL

\ODD I deleted hlod, all 40 were gone,but 2, it thought some more, now gthey are back atr 40 again ;)) SIGH

mahybe the bug is using sc,maybe I meassed up somdewhere,, together with hlod issues

may be moving this to 5.4 will help some ....HM or notgiven its there too

[ocean anvil]

yeah world partition creates HLODs for streaming in a low detail approximation of what would be there when its loaded so that its not just an empty void when unloaded, but it had some pretty bad issues in 5.3 you can try deleting hlods and then regenerating them that sometimes temporarily fixes it, but it often just keeps coming back iirc its nanite related but i never really bothered fixing it. just worked on other things til 5.4 came out which fixed it.

[outer kiln]

hmmm

so weird it never did this trill I started messing with sc again

\so ya,,later i'll conert a copy to 5.4

ahhh Gah,,nanite is enabled here

but , not on landscape

illtry building hlod, sometimes it crashed project LOL

hold built fine, during it said juist 2 unsaved, but as it worked through textures waitgingto be ready, now its 40 again;))

meh no matter, ill convert latre to 5.4 see what happens

5.4 is so much slower kind hate to but...

[cunning surge]

Hello. I am currently using perforce and have tried adding a version of the engine to the depot. After pushing it to a release stream i tried merging it to the mainline stream but for some reason I get this error saying that I cant include files not already opened. I see after doing p4 open in that folder that the "C#" folder got is changed to "C%23". Any reason why I would come across this problem?

[woven sluice]

it's a forbidden character. examples folder... i would just remove it entirely forever and add it to ignores

[outer kiln]

tring perforce, all FINE, except, andnot a HUGE deal ?,,not able to drag folders, files, into new workspace created in p4v,is this a known issue perhaps ?

and browsing via add files to server in p4v, isn't allowing me to choose say project file. just folders

so how do I backup project or is that needed ;0-0-0

ok nvm apparently, only folders allowed in THIS step ;0-0-0

[sour sun]

Hey, I am getting hit with this error when trying to shelve or submit (sync, moving files between CL, checkouting, locking, etc. works fine). Already sent it to IT, but perhaps some of you encountered it and may have some tips.

This also happens when trying to submit via VPN or from PC on the same network as the P4 server (tried a couple of accounts).

    read: SSL_read encountered an EOF.: The operation completed successfully. 

[outer kiln]

I've never done vpn, but same pc hmm thats weird,never seen such a error

also depends on IT setup with perf help, but you may be get help from helix, got an email this am something about free monthly 'huddles' ;0-0-0,,also you can email them for support viz: "And as a free for small teams user, you get seven days of personalized support. Email [e-mail] to get started.", buit it sounds like its not a small team,,

Im having other small im sure, issues,,aint they always there!!!!

[sour sun]

Yeah, middle-ish team. If we don't get it today, we will most likely contact support next week.
Was just hoping it was something trivial we can do ASAP, as I got an engine merge to do over the weekend and can't do it if I cannot submit 😥

[outer kiln]

its weird tho!

eocf, completed successfully

then bam

good news but,,HMMM

and this from bing: https://portal.perforce.com/s/article/2968

[ocean anvil]

to make a full back up you can just copy the files in windows explorer to a secondary location.
to move folders/files into a workspace you can also do that through windows explorer. generally you'd move files into a workspace, if you want to move the workspace to another location you make a new workspace that targets that new location.

[outer kiln]

ya its not so much a workspace issue, that is fine, but i was just ruinning oujt of ROOM SO sad face lol,, So for now I must use flash drive stick LOL

[ocean anvil]

ah yeah running out of space is not something perforce can fix 😛

[outer kiln]

Im still not sure wth was going on, I made a workspace, fine, but then did add new blah ( forget that part)_l but it was sgtoring it on c, I dont recalltellingit to do thjat

almost ran ojut space on c ;0-0-0

[ocean anvil]

i would recommend not storing project files on a flash drive for anything other than temporary back ups or moving files around though.

[outer kiln]

heh no so just usng flash drive for time bneing

I just donthave any room, but I did selete a few things so I thinkG is availaBLE

it was late last night ;0-0

anyway , since I was almost out of space, I had to STOP the add files wizard,,,how do I get it back ??

[ocean anvil]

deleting files and folders late at night is also not a good idea i can say that from experience lol

[outer kiln]

hehe

I uist wanted igt to work

last minute jitters, work darn thing!! ;)) ha

[ocean anvil]

if the process of adding files to the workspace failed or stopped half way through i would remove all the files it copied and add the files to the workspace fresh again

[outer kiln]

yes, I did but I have no idea how to astart the add files wizard

just 'add' does nothing

im like...

[ocean anvil]

add is to add files from your workspace to the depot

[outer kiln]

wher you can choose folders to add

yes

but no menu option tgo start that wizard

unless i missed some files,,if some remain, will it not start ?

[ocean anvil]

what wizard exactly? to populate the workspace?

[outer kiln]

yesk,,its alled,add files blah

in big bold letters at top

[ocean anvil]

are you trying to get the files from your depot to your workspace or from elsewhere on the pc into your workspace?

[outer kiln]

depot and wokspace are there visible onlegft

sgtopping wizard to add files after chosing folders was working great!

buit I was running out of room, sinmce for some reason it was using which is odd

so ya

using 'drive C'

[ocean anvil]

so you want to move your workspace to use a different location?

[outer kiln]

well as I say

for some unknown reason,Iwas pushing all those big project folders onto my Cdrive

never told it to, thjat I recall ,,I can't imagine,,drive c is has the smallestg space atm,,smaller drive

G was the target,fast drive, 1tb

so I redid , add worksapce

but that wizaard, the window, add files to workaspce I guess its called,,wouod dnever come up

I rem,oved the other wqorkspace that was targeting drive C incorrectly

[ocean anvil]

go here, select workspace you want to use, right click and view workspace, and look at the "root" that is where your workspace expects files to go.

if you already have the workspaces tab open you can skip that first step

[outer kiln]

sorry for svn switch, all those files are still there, I just wanted perfo to work ,,bugs me when things dontg work 😉

anyway checking

whbich is right, i wanted it at H, it was just a test

yes its always open np :))

[ocean anvil]

if you are running your server on the same pc as the client, then it could also be that you are uploading files to the depot and the server is set to store its files on the C drive.

[ocean anvil]

yeah so to put your project into the workspace just use windows explorer, go to your project location where you have it now and copy it to H:\neighborlee_Essence

[outer kiln]

so the add files wizard only works once after setrting up new workspace ?

I did check depot and yes, all those files seem tro be still there,so its asking me if I want to move them HMM bingo ?

but ok ya just move thjem in we

above was ersutr from depot > right click

itse just not saying where theyare

[ocean anvil]

if you want to check where the server is storing files as well btw then go onto the server and open the console and type in "p4 info"

it will also tell you the server root among other things.

[outer kiln]

ah ok GOOD

OOPS

Server root: C:\p4root\

no wonder ,,gah OUICH

\so I need to move p4root on drive where I want worksapde to go

I thought tghat had to be on C

wait,,so issuing p4root line,,defauots to placing it on C ??

[ocean anvil]

this means you are modifying files that you have checked out on another workspace already btw, which you normally should not do.

[outer kiln]

well I was just trying to gedt the wizard working again, it made things easy and direct

but ya

[ocean anvil]

its something you can set up when installing the server initially. in most cases it would also not be on the same pc as you are using for your client though.

[outer kiln]

ok ill jkust set gthe p4root on H , then it should place wksp on H where I have space

I just thoiught p4root was just a variable program n eeds hahah

o_0

https://tenor.com/view/mdr-gif-18285088358737753438

[ocean anvil]

technically it is just a variable, but it is the variable it uses to store all the data 😄

[outer kiln]

yup

[ocean anvil]

if you are moving the root through the command line you will also have to move all the files in the server root to the new location you are changing the root to. i don't think it will move all the server files automatically.

[outer kiln]

ya np ty for reminder

[outer kiln]

ok n ew p4root DONE and in place ;0 yippppeee lol

im clearing room to use G not H, G is 1tb onboarfd very fast drive

never have enouigh room,,who really does :)))

[ocean anvil]

i do 😛 at least for the forseeable future.

[outer kiln]

you prob mean at work

of course, nasa, m$ will never run out of room :)))hjeh

well its OK

Im just movingthings off to E, which is my fastest flash,,freeing up ROOM on G,

g is on motherboard so

bbl

[outer kiln]

CommandMessage Command: Connect, Error: Workspace 'Sandy1714_Essence_486' does not map into this project's directory.

and this, CommandMessage Command: Connect, Error: You should set your workspace up to map to a directory at or above the project's directory.

but there are nodocs that Im aware of, that say to do that,not on uie doc page for perforce or anywhereelse

so...;))

[graceful swallow]

does anyone have advice on having the engine source checked into perforce for local modifications, while still also maintaining it as a git repo to be able to sync to new engine versions?

wondering if just checking all of the .git files into perforce accomplishes this, or if that will create future problems

[outer kiln]

i doubt perf would know what to do with them

[unreal citrus]

Does it make sense to Fork Unreal engine and then add it to my game project as a git submodule? I have never used submodules and I'm trying to figure out if they would work for me. The idea was that I would have 2 repositories, game repository and engine repository. I'm trying to setup some sort of connection between these two, so for example when I clone my game project repostory, everything just works. As of now, I would have to clone 2 repositories (game and engine), so I thought to add the engine repository as git submodule of game repository. Then I could probably just clone the game repository + engine repository as it's submodule.

[wind gazelle]

no, it makes little sense to use submodules for the engine.

git submodules used to reference other repositories ( like dependencies ).
sometimes it is very nice to have if you have multiple teams working in different repositories and subprojects (engine repo, N game repos, N internal plugin repos). mostly for large and very large teams.

for practical use your game project should have engine repository reference instead of engine referencing game. (game depends on engine and plugins and not vise-versa)

[unreal citrus]

sorry, I'm confused. So it doesn't make sense to if you use fork, correct? What if you Cloned the Unreal Engine repository, stored it on your self hosted remote (non github) and then added it as a git submodule to your game project repository (also self hosted)?

[wind gazelle]

yea, that is what some teams (from those I have knowledge of) do If they choose to use submodules.
game and engine in separate repositories. game repository has engine or plugins repository submodule reference. selfhosted or azure

technically you can point that submodule reference to anywhere - including github. as it is just a remote

[unreal citrus]

thank you for clarifying, much appreciated. I tried looking for info about the epic own lfs you have mentioned above, is there any sort of doc about it?

[wind gazelle]

https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Submodules

downside - when you clone with submodules, you get much much longer time and it is not artist friendly 😄

if you want it simple it is fine to use just two independent repositories (without any submodules) with build server providing installed builds for artists

[unreal citrus]

So clonning 2 separate repositories is faster than clonning 1 repository and it's 1 submodule dependancy?

[wind gazelle]

no, just EVERYONE will have clone them. even those who do not need it like artists

[wind gazelle]

rather than referencing whole engine via submodules - referencing shared plugins is much more viable

[outer kiln]

anyone know about perforce errors ? CommandMessage Command: Connect, Error: You should set your workspace up to map to a directory at or above the project's directory. ???

what do they mean by at, as in same dir ?

atm both are in same dir, is that causing the error ?

[runic vault]

no, they are designed to be 2. Also game project is dependent on engine, not the other way around. You can for example have multiple game projects associated to the same engine.

[outer kiln]

im giving up on per for now, at not like I didn't try,but unlike svn, its not free,gets VERy expensive , latre as proejct/people grow.

these weird wkdir must be in or above is so crpitic

but I did find some clues about weird unsaved terrain,

..........cryptic o_0

anyway I checked k the file IS there...anyuway enough, svn >>>

[outer kiln]

@runic vault svn is now finally working, ie: content> revision control> mark for add o_0-0 yayayayay

peace of mind---

https://tenor.com/view/summer-break-gif-6269967204638541467

[outer kiln]

Does anyoine know why, svn initial tortoiseSVN>checkout isn't working ? it adds repo DIR where I want ity, here in project dir, but the .svn is inside that directory. SVN use inside ue 5.3 here, only works, if that.svn file is outside that dir, and with project root. why is that ??

want to make sure I'm not missing something...

whwen the .svn is also in projecdt root, ue sees svn and it works, and CONTENT > source conjtrol mark as add works too!

[runic vault]

show a picture, can't really understand what your asking

[outer kiln]

oh sorry, will do

the repo is there

with just repo, sc svn doesn't work

if I makecopy of.svn in repo folder and paste into folder as above, svn works great,and I can add content from ue

just makes no sense, or is that now this works ? ;0-0

bbs , supper

[outer kiln]

ok

anyway if you dontwork with svn its ok,I was thining of someone who does work with svn

[runic vault]

you have an svn inside of a git repo?

don't mix your src control programs

they don't really have awareness of each other

[outer kiln]

yes

i thoujght i was having success with svn,but thats not reality, visualsvn and tortoisSVN

found tut for svn with sourdetree/git

svn/sc

[hushed nebula]

Does anyone know if installing a second instance of perforce on a server ends up having it's own users limit for the free tier? The plan is to have a p4v instance for the art team where they share their work, then move it to the "main" instance due to seat limitations

[outer kiln]

it wont work if its still the same company, pretty sure, unless there are other facts here

[outer kiln]

finnally got sc working here inue5 .3, but I didn't do it built ins, scourtree to the rescuel first tut, bam worked out of box!@@@ yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

specifically, sourcetree + git installed during install

[cyan jay]

Technically this will be fine (running multiple servers on the same machine) but I'm not sure if it violates the terms of service. Also, how do you plan on integrating the art with the rest of the project if they're in different servers?

[hushed nebula]

Yeah I'm not too sure about TOS, as long as user limit is not shared - That can be done on a local client that can handle 2 depots across the instances and just move files across (pull art depot, copy assets to dev depot, push dev depot)

[cyan jay]

ok, sounds painful 🙂
you'll need to make sure that both teams are never modifying the same assets too

[hushed nebula]

that's the beauty of separating depots, art team only has access to art depot, and dev team to dev depot, perforce handles file lock for single instances and a dedicated person handles the transfer of assets across instances

also to note although this might be obvious, each instance will be running on its own port same IP

[cyan jay]

ok, well, good luck. if you are going down this route I'd setup the permissions so there's no possible way for dev to submit changes to art folders, etc. otherwise whoever is in charge of integrations is in for a world of pain.

[hushed nebula]

Beats having only 5 seats for our small team while we require ~7 or 8 :/ - The other solution is still to move assets around using a shared drive. Also You don't need to care about permissions, since they are completely separate instances. a dev person will not even have an account to access the art instance/depot anyway 😉 imagine they are 2 completely separate servers (while really instances) each has it's own user accounts and port to connect to

[cyan jay]

Yeah, I get it, just interested to see how it works in practice.

[outer kiln]

Please re-save /Game/ExternalActors/ThirdPerson/Maps/ThirdPersonMap/7/ER/1PX8ONS4CLAHZXIM1VJKQL. < is this a SC msg? not suire how else it would make sense ...

oops, here is comp0lete msg, Fixed up invalid landscape material instances. Please re-save /Game/ExternalActors/ThirdPerson/Maps/ThirdPersonMap/7/ER/1PX8ONS4CLAHZXIM1VJKQL.

[ocean anvil]

This would violate the ToS of perforce. you'd have to buy a few licences.

[broken loom]

GitKraken is officially dead with its 10.x update
What do you guys use for git visual client

[silver token]

I was recommended Fork. And it's been good for the bits I've used so far.

[broken loom]

It does actually look pretty good

Do they break stuff when they update
Coz yesterday I opened GitKraken after their recent 10.x update and it thought I don't have LFS installed, it couldn't perform any operations and couldn't provide a proper error
Then I went into prefs and they didn't load, so I closed it, and now it doesn't even start
Having your git gui disrupt your work is no bueno 😄

[silver token]

I don't know. I don't think they've done an update since I started using it.
Or if they have, it hasn't been particularly in my face about needing to update.

[broken loom]

Based on their webpage its just 2 people making it
I'll try it, since its free to evaluate

[silver token]

"evaluate" - which is really "until you decide to pay for it" like using winrar. I still haven't payed for it and I've been using it a couple months.
I should really give them some money though soon. But Fork hasn't nagged me about it at all yet.

[broken loom]

Oh nice. That actually just motivates me to actually pay for it lol

I'll use it until it gives me a reason not to, once I deem it stable I'll pay for a license

[broken loom]

I just noticed the icon is literally a fork lol, amusing

[outer kiln]

sourcetree was very easy to setup compared to the other built ins in ue

[cunning surge]

Hello. I am trying to get the precompiled binaries on to a stream in perforce but I am having some trouble. I ran BuildGraph as suggested in the doc but I get this error after most of the build seems be finished "Unable to find current changelist (no output from 'p4 changes' command)"

Also within the Automation Tool log, it fails here "uebp_CL not set, detecting 'have' CL...
Unable to find current changelist (no output from 'p4 changes' command)"

[outer kiln]

this may not help, but never used perforce for muich never got it to work, but: https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=43&q=Unable+to+find+current+changelist+(no+output+from+'p4+changes'+command)"+perforce+error&cvid=a98f960b19bf4c8dadb46010e94ccb34&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDM0MDRqMGoxqAIAsAIA&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=W099

[fiery pelican]

Does anyone know how to get the p4 log from the linux server? I'm having an issue that I had once before, where I updated and the perforce service won't start up afterwards. Last time, I figured out that when I got into the log, it told me exactly what to run to fix it, but the problem is I can't seem to figure out how I got to the log last time.

[teal bone]

Probably in /var/log/p4d or some such

[fiery pelican]

I don't have ang logs in my log folder that seem perforce related.

[outer kiln]

keep seeing 40 unsaved items in lower righjt corner ( source control) of 5.3 UI, keeps coming back even on restart of editor- other than that somethinmg in error connect about resaving some terrains swaths, bjut how is that supposed to be done ?

[fiery pelican]

Been trying to get my server back up and running for going on about 12 hours. I've removed p4dctl as it wasn't needed, so now I'm just using p4d. I've uninstalled p4d and reinstalled it, went through the entire setup process with a fine tooth comb. I'm not getting anything useful from the journal or the log. Both just simply say it's timed out. Does anyone have any helpful debugging tips that I may be missing?

[ocean anvil]

try running p4v on the host machine and use localhost:1666 as the IP. if it connects you know its the connection not the server.

[fiery pelican]

It says "Connect to server failed; check $P4PORT. TCP connect to localhost:1666 failed. No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it"

[ocean anvil]

try $ p4d & https://www.perforce.com/manuals/p4sag/Content/P4SAG/install.unix.start.html

[fiery pelican]

Nope, it says address already in use. And if I check whats using it, it shows p4d is using it. if I kill p4d, then check again, it still shows p4d using it but with a new pid.

[ocean anvil]

whats your p4port say? and have you tried just rebooting the machine?

[pure sage]

Trying to use Source Control for a custom engine build, but ran into the above error when initially trying to commit all my files. Did I do something wrong with initial setup of the repository?

This is my .gitignore file

# Visual Studio 2015 user specific files
.vs/

# Compiled Object files
*.slo
*.lo
*.o
*.obj

# Precompiled Headers
*.gch
*.pch

# Compiled Dynamic libraries
*.so
*.dylib
*.dll

# Fortran module files
*.mod

# Compiled Static libraries
*.lai
*.la
*.a
*.lib

# Executables
*.exe
*.out
*.app
*.ipa

# These project files can be generated by the engine
*.xcodeproj
*.xcworkspace
*.sln
*.suo
*.opensdf
*.sdf
*.VC.db
*.VC.opendb

# Precompiled Assets
**/SourceArt/**/*.png
**/SourceArt/**/*.tga

# Builds
**/Build/*

# Whitelist PakBlacklist-<BuildConfiguration>.txt files
!**/Build/*/
**/Build/*/**
!**/Build/*/PakBlacklist*.txt

# Don't ignore icon files in Build
!**/Build/**/*.ico

# Configuration files generated by the Editor
**/Saved/*

# Compiled source files for the engine to use
**/Intermediate/*

# Cache files for the editor to use
**/DerivedDataCache/*

[limber tartan]

hey, I am one of the Anchorpoint devs. What you can also do is click on the “…” in the top right corner and pick “Send us a Message”. Just type in that we talked here. We will get the error log with the message and know how we can help you.

[limber tartan]

Can you try to push maybe just 10 files, to see if that works?

[pure sage]

I think it might have gone through successfully but not sure how I got it to work

looks like it successfully commited all 181713 files

@limber tartan Can i still reach out via the "send us a message" to ask some clarifying questions? I'm new to source control and probably bit off more than I can chew by trying to source control an entire custom engine build. What would be the best forum for this?

[limber tartan]

You can...but if you have AP specific questions, we also have a Discord, so we don't need to hijack this place

[pure sage]

sounds good. Will head over there. Thanks!

[fiery pelican]

I have tried rebooting multiple times after making changes just to see if that would fix it. When you ask about the p4port are you referring to the environment variable? If so, it's 1666.

[dapper steppe]

is there a way to split commits/ select what files you want to commit, my current commit is too large unless i wish to pay

nvm i found a way

[pulsar parcel]

perpetuating the Build directory meme

[outer kiln]

not sure its source related, but on start,and duiring all the time, I keep getting reminded to resave certain terrain segments, which is an odd way of putting it, given after a change(s)I always 'save all', .so now, I have 40 unsaves, always entering landscape mode.

[pure sage]

Not sure what you mean

[pulsar parcel]

You shouldn't need to ignore the Build folder, though a lot of template gitignores tell you to do it

Usually you put per-platform configuration there and a project-specific automation project

I have a pretty clean gitignore and it manages to keep pretty much all the crap out

[pure sage]

Ah got it

Any chance you could share that gitignore file?

[pulsar parcel]

.vs/
.idea/
_ReSharper.Caches/
*.sln

# Build artifacts, local files
Binaries/
Intermediate/
DerivedDataCache/
Saved/

[pure sage]

Oh thats it?

Does that apply to both projects with custom engine builds and projects based on stock engine from the epic launcher?

[pulsar parcel]

this is a project ignore, I don't use a source-built engine for personal projects but I'd likely lean on the engine's gitignore if the engine is integrated into the project repo

on the project level, this ain't going to change much

[pure sage]

Ok got it. Thanks for the info

[fiery pelican]

I found something online that said to check p4 set and it shows some info. The P4PORT is set to ssl:1666. I'm guessing that's what you were asking for.

[fiery pelican]

I apologize for the picture but as far as I know I can't screenshot my server. This is what shows in my log when it times out. I've tried looking into topologyRegistration but I have no idea what it means.

[pulsar parcel]

You're physically typing on your server rather than just SSHing?

[fiery pelican]

I don't know what SSHing is.

[pulsar parcel]

That is like required Linux stuff. It allows you to remotely log into your server and control it

Over a protocol called SSH

Windows even has a built in SSH client these days

[fiery pelican]

Welp, news to me. Lol. I set this shit up on my own, learning as I go.

[ocean anvil]

try p4 info and post the output of that (block ur public IP if its included)

[fiery pelican]

I actually just got it working. I'm not entirely sure what I did that fixed it, but I made a few adjustments to the p4d.service file and also moved it's location because the location noted in documentation was different then where mine was. So the service IS running now, however, when I open p4v, it just says Unable to connnect to the server ssl:<ipAddress>:1666 as user <userName>. It lets me retry but it won't connect. I removed the ssl from the port earlier when trying to fix the server... maybe I need to put that back in?

By removed ssl, I mean the P4PORT was ssl:1666, and I removed ssl from in front.

[ocean anvil]

if you are using ssl you need to include that, i would just set everything to the way it was when it was originally working.

[fiery pelican]

So I think what happened was before I was using p4dctl (because I didn't know shit and set that up when I didn't need to). I've now removed it, but it sounds like p4dctl automatically creates the ssl stuff required. So when that got deleted, so did the stuff for ssl. My question now though is do I need ssl? This server is purely just my source control for my personal project.

[ocean anvil]

are you running the server publicly or on your local network?
in either case you dont "need" ssl. its an added layer of security that might make sense if your server is public and you are worried about your data getting intercepted.

[fiery pelican]

Just local

[ocean anvil]

then i wouldnt worry about ssl at all

[cinder vector]

Hi,
I saw that many ignore files (regardless of the source control system) ignore most of the Build folder, and I was wondering why. Looking at the Lyra example, I can see that there are the .xml for Build Graph, C# Automation scripts, and some Batch files (other than the icons to package the game).
I was wondering, what it would be better as an ignore file? Maybe just ignore some files rather than the whole folder?

[wind gazelle]

build folder for build products, they created as result of build process every time project is built. Controlling products in VCS is not nesessary (you control the source)

[cinder vector]

Thank you for the answer, this is clear. My question was more about where to store all the DevOps scripts, if usually the Build folder is ignored.

[wind gazelle]

make a folder /Scripts or /Tools and push it to repo

there are no limitations on folder names (as long it is not something used and blocked)

[cinder vector]

That was my first idea, but then studying the engine and the samples (e.g. Lyra), I see that Epic Games uses the Build folder to store all the scripts, so I was trying to understand best practises 🙂

[wide raven]

I have a /Jenkins folder where I keep all my Jenkins stuff : )

[river pendant]

Wow what a bullshit. Epic should really care more about fixing their stuff. After updating the engine you spend more time fixing new engine problems than your project issues caused by the update. And if it's an intended change it's freaking stupid.

[copper hatch]

Whenever I try to sync I get this message,
Also UGS is deleting this file on local workspace.
I am not sure what causing this

[jaunty hornet]

I'm setting up a git repository with LFS for the first time because I need to get on with the times

Is it normal for text files like INI or CPP to appear when you run the command git lfs status?

ie ue5/<PROJECTNAME>/Config/DefaultEngine.ini (LFS: d0aaa1e)

or did I screw up my .gitattributes

I don't see any reference to text files in my gitattributes aside this single line * text=auto

[fiery pelican]

could someone help me clarify something for perforce. When using p4v, should the workspace root point to the folder location where your project is? I was having some issues with perforce and had to uninstall and reinstall some stuff on the server and in trying to get it all set back up, I have a new workspace setup, but when it was setup, it seems to be pointing at a different location.... but does have a copy of my project there? I'm not entirely sure how it managed that, and now it's got me second guessing if I'm supposed to point the root at my original project location or if this location is just how it stores the modified version or something until you sync with the server?

[copper hatch]

I was able to resolve this issue by using old UGS build

I think 5.4 UGS is bugged

[outer kiln]

ugs ?

[fiery pelican]

Ugliest Girl in School.

Pen 15 anyone? lol.

[outer kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/full-house-michelle-duh-mean-kid-gif-18336082676732490637

[wide raven]

yes, folder root. running commands like

p4 info 
p4 set

in that location will give you more information about what that location setup looks like

Hmm, actually that's not quite right, I am seeing some default info from my first workspace in one of my alternative workspaces, interesting...

I guess since I mainly use p4v, everything is fine, but if I wanted to use commandline I should probably check those setups myself : )

[outer kiln]

Most I think,is in PIN on top of discord UI

cool, I didnt know about it either

[outer kiln]

pls somebody correct me if offbase, but given I'm getting errore in svn setup in 5.3 of the versions of svn in tortoisesvn vs svn in ue 5.3, i see noeasy way out beyond going git or perf.

I can't update svn in ue that sounds way over my head, and removng svn plugin, then how do I use SC with project?

[wide raven]

Disclaimer : I haven't watched this guide, nor do I use git at the moment, but Azure DevOps is a popular free choice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGS68YVutWo

[outer kiln]

worth a look, I think svn is out now unless epic updates it

[winged sparrow]

Does anyone have a guide for start-to-finish setting up an unreal engine project to work on perforce? I've tried so many different times and different ways and can never quite get everything to work. The closest I can get is to have one p4 client be able to do things and other's have issues.
The issues are always with either getting Setup.bat to run without error, GenerateProjectFiles.bat to run without error, or to compile into editor without error.
The IDE I use is Visual Studio 2022 and I've tried this on many different unreal engine versions and followed many different guides and p4ignores configurations and p4typemap configurations but nothing works all the way.
Any guidance or help would be super appreciated. I'm currrently in the middle of yet another attempt.

[outer kiln]

ditto basically, if you have not tried not sure they wouild be any better than what yu have done, there is the PIN ,up top discord UI ,has svn, git and perf. help

I 'm not sure what ill be trying, git next I guess and see....there really aren't great options anywhere

[outer kiln]

devops looks nice, but the tut rec's anchorpoint,no free option there

[wide raven]

Do you mean an engine source project?

Your issues seem to be related primarily to setting up the source build itself, not the versioning itself?

I am personally just running the source version with git, since we haven't bothered to get access to the perforce repo

[wide raven]

Perhaps it would be best for you to break down your problem into clear, distinct pieces

[kindred spruce]

is this illegal?

[shut belfry]

Can I self host a perforce server on my home server for free?

do I need a license or anything?

[ocean anvil]

yes, for up to 5 people/licenses its free.

[outer kiln]

git is working fine, if I deciide later, where are docs for perforce local ?

ofc select local sever :), checking for inst's

also when I choose git , as sc method, I do not get the size UI as normally 5.3, mine has no options below email, specifically one I want, choosing lfs or not, can that be done manually at ue onsole or git bash ??

[shut belfry]

thanks, do you know if debian is good for perforce?

or is it only ubuntu, centos, and suse?

[ocean anvil]

I have no experience with Linux unfortunately, I run mine on a windows server.

[outer kiln]

afik, dont quote, it may be only ubuntu is 'supported' officialy

perforce website should verify

[jaunty hornet]

I used to run ours on a Ubuntu server, now I think it's in a Ubuntu container

It's a bit challenging to set-up if you're not familiar, but it's not impossible

However, I suggest once you have it set-up, is to wipe it all off again and start over in a clean manner

Because when I did it, I left too much of a mess and there were virtual crumbs everywhere

[jaunty hornet]

I'm starting a new project and I'll be using Azure DevOps for the first time. I'm familiar with Git/P4/GitHub so I can find my way around it, but the art team might not be that familiar. Any tips of helping them onboard with it?

[wind gazelle]

if you use azure then you would most likely uze azure git service with git-lfs.
tell your artists to pick a gui git tool software (tortoisegit, smartgit or anything that as simple as two clicks to use) and make a short guide "how to fetch changes" / "how to push changes" and git-for-windows "how to download/install"

[jaunty hornet]

I think a guide like that will be handy to have regardless

nice idea

oh, and make sure to run the command git lfs install on everybody

Any experience with Anchorpoint? I might be able to squeeze a bit of the budget for that

[wind gazelle]

nope, only plain git and p4

[shut belfry]

I'm running proxmox on my home server, I created an ubuntu container and installed it there and seems fine but I haven't yet connected to it from unreal engine (perforce)

[wheat kestrel]

After updating our project to 5.4.1 from 5.3.2, we have run into this issue with PlasticSCM/Unity Version Control. Every time you launch the project, you have to wait 5-10 min for it to checkout every single piece of starter content (despite being unchanged). We haven't had any issues with this until upgrading. I have a temporary workaround where uninstalling the starter content for 5.4 fixes the huge startup time and unnecessary checkouts, but it will throw a warning prompt on startup and I'm looking for a more permanent solution. Has anybody else experienced this?

https://forum.plasticscm.com/topic/24034-plasticplugin-looping-through-updatingchecking-files-on-every-ue-project/

[outer kiln]

5.4 has issues of perf for us, never had this issue faik, do file permissions lookok, no errors after itis done, or is this resolved ?

[ocean anvil]

@wheat kestrel use this fix.

[wheat kestrel]

That fixed it, thank you! 🙏

[limber tartan]

Hey, I am one of the Anchorpoint devs, so feel free to test and ask.

[jaunty hornet]

How does Anchorpoint handle authentication with Azure DevOps? It's a bit buggy for me with Git Credential Manager

(The JS scripts for GitHub authentication in GCM don't execute properly for some reason)

[limber tartan]

Aha, so you have a error that shows something with addEventListener, right? That is an Azure issue and on the azure forum there is a workaround for that: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/78527964/git-commands-faild-because-couldnt-log-in-with-git-credentials

This is annoying, becuse we cannot do anything here and have to rely on the Git hosting provider

[jaunty hornet]

Oh thank you very much

I got that issue with TortoiseGit

And I did the same workaround, I was wondering if it was TortoiseGit specific

[limber tartan]

On Anchorpoint you can use a PAT (personal access token) with Azure. That could help also: https://docs.anchorpoint.app/docs/version-control/troubleshooting/azure-devops/custom-credentials/

[jaunty hornet]

Great! Good to know this isn't a PEBCAK error. Makes it easier to onboard artists/non-devs then

[fading seal]

Can you force unreal to stomp changes with P4? my coworker did a bunch of work but I submitted so he's not on latest so he can't submit but his work was way more than mine, how do you force? I can't seem to roll back either...

[jaunty hornet]

Uhm, there might be a force option, lemme check...

There is an undo revision feature, but that actually just adds an extra revision rolling back the changes, which sets your colleague even further back

[fading seal]

already did that 😅

would I have to force it through the file explorer ?

[jaunty hornet]

Stupid solution idea: have your colleague back-up the project in a different location. Have them get the latest revision. Once they're up to date, replace it with the backed up version. Then Reconcile Offline Changes

(I'm not at work so I don't have a P4 repo to play with atm)

Uhmm

Actually my idea is really stupid so I don't recommend it

[fading seal]

lol

it's all good

[dark cosmos]

Quick question, I'm trying to make my inital commit but git is also trying to commit the plugins.... is there a way to make it so it doesn't or to include them as well?

also, my apologies, I know it's a dumb question but this is my first time using git

[jaunty hornet]

Have you got a .gitignore?

Also it's generally not bad to commit plugins too

[dark cosmos]

I think i've figured it out, I'm doing a full initial commit with GitHub Desktop (seems to be working, it's commiting 56k files)

[jaunty hornet]

That's rather sizeable

for an initial commit

[dark cosmos]

Well, it is the first commit

shouldn't it be the largest?

[jaunty hornet]

That's true

But 56k for a new project? Or is it a pre-existing one already

[dark cosmos]

it's pre-existing, this is just my first time plugging git into it

or plugging it into git rather

[jaunty hornet]

Oh fair enough then

[dark cosmos]

you had me worried for a sec lol

[jaunty hornet]

A fresh UE project doesn't have that many files

Like, an order less which is why I asked

[wind gazelle]

first you setup gitignore by adding it to new project root (templates can be found easily)
then you add files to commit (ignored files will be ignored)
then you make commit and push it to remote repo

also githubdesktop is very bad. get some better git gui alternative

[dark cosmos]

Thanks.

[dark cosmos]

What would you suggest?

[wind gazelle]

tortoisegit, sourcetree, fork, smartgit. there are over 10 various tools. pick whatever is free and looks for you

my needs satisfied with git console and tortoisegit. other ui give more various features on top of it

make sure you don't have anything from Build/ or Binaries/ in your commit and other build artifacts.
it is generally solved by proper gitignore

[dark cosmos]

thanks

[woven sluice]

They should be able to just "get latest" and then resolve the conflicts in p4v, no? Make a physical backup of the files first

(How did you get into this mess in the first place? Most of the point of using perforce over git is that it makes it trivial to avoid this)

[fading seal]

Lol hard to explain but it's all good we got it resolved

[woven sluice]

Are you guys abusing AllWrite workspaces or something though? Anyway - cheers

[teal bone]

I love my 'overwrite files when checking out' flag in p4v. Unclobberable be damned 😄

[dark cosmos]

while using SUBVERSION in UE5 should i work in the repo?

I'm a little confused because I have a master project folder/file and I'm adding what I currently have to another folder which is the REPO however, when I try to setup the subversion in UE5 it says

svn: E155007: 'J:\Echoes_of_Eden' is not a working copy
Failed to connect to revision control. Check your settings and connection then try again.

However the repo is at F:\Repositories\eoe-repo2 and I have the repository set to desktop-rne156h:8443/!/#eoe-repo2 because it's hosted locally

[dark cosmos]

Also, does anyone else on here use svn/subversion for UE5?

[wide raven]

no, but looks like there are some issues
https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/cannot-connect-to-source-control-using-subversion-in-ue5-4-1/1844213/3

[dark cosmos]

mine is generating a currently 125gb+ rev file

[wide raven]

i presume you have an ignore file set up

[dark cosmos]

See, with subversion I wasn't finding any instructions or even premade templates for an ignore file...

but

Tortoise has one

but this giant rev file is supposed to be all the files compiled into one

idk

kinda dumb

[wide raven]

Not sure if that sounds useful...
I would start with a blank project to practice things a bit.
https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Basics/SourceControl/SVN/index.html

The ignore file is critical to set up

Binaries, Saved, Intermediate, DerivedDataCache are the big ones

[dark cosmos]

yeah I just can't find where it should be so i can add the extensions/directories myself, i'm going to cancel the current operation in tortoise and try to see if I can find it there.

[wide raven]

https://tortoisesvn.net/docs/release/TortoiseSVN_en/tsvn-dug-ignore.html

[dark cosmos]

alright, thanks, now i got one more question, i was under the understanding that working out of the repo directory project was a bad idea

is this still the case with svn?

[wide raven]

Hmm. The repository is where everything is saved, aka 'repo' or 'depot' - and the workspace ( aka local working copy ) is where you work. This is standard in all version control systems I am aware of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repository_(version_control)

[dark cosmos]

I thought github was free, you can only upload 2gb on the free version?

[dark cosmos]

I'm about to give up on this version control stuff.

UE5 has multi-user editing anyways

[teal bone]

Which is pretty bad when not over lan I hear.

Plus you can't use it to view/use old files...

[dark cosmos]

but svn is a pain in the rear and git is limited on space and perforce and plastic cost money

hitting my head on a wall here.

[teal bone]

git isn't limited on space?

[dark cosmos]

it keeps saying i'm out of space when i try to do a commit

[teal bone]

Self host it?

[dark cosmos]

now that's more like it... is it called SelfHosted-Runners?

[teal bone]

For lfs? No

[upper flume]

azure devops is free even for large files but im getting a 'remote connection error' issue now in the writing stage...

if it does it again im also giving up lol

i do all this work and the first commit takes 10 hours to finish and then finally i nthe writing stage i get a freakin errror at 98%

like if they r gunna make it this difficult its not even worth it

[dark cosmos]

Damn

[wide raven]

I always recommend trying things out with a blank test project to get used to things before setting up a big project.

If something takes 10 hours, something is probably wrong somewhere, or your project is truly humongous and your network is slow, and perhaps you havent' setup an ignore file and are committing over half totally useless stuff...

[tribal marten]

Trying out perforce for the first time, following their tutorial. First time "reconciling offline work" and it's taking a million years, is this normal?

[wide raven]

Yes, and it doesn't get faster either. I usually use it only for certain folders I know might be polluted, like Blueprints. Or occasionally to sanity check that project is clean. Most of the time if you practice good habits and don't change file read/write states by hand, there's not really much to find there.

Consider that it is essentially crosschecking each and every file, and there might be say... 300,000 files or whatever in a big project

[tribal marten]

it doesn't get faster? How do teams use this then? I'm used to git.

[wide raven]

It's not something you need daily

I hardly ever use it, really. Maybe twice a year to check that project is clean

[tribal marten]

So, I'm working on a solo project, but building for windows and mac, so I need to move between the two platforms somewhat frequently for builds. This is painful if I just have to move the project, because rider/vscode etc. has to re-index the whole project each time. I was hoping source control could help with that?

[wide raven]

This is assuming you always checkout things you work on, and always add things via p4 or unreal.

[tribal marten]

so, it's just "reconcile offline work" that is slow specifically?

[wide raven]

yes, certainly. We have several build machines with Jenkins set up

[tribal marten]

this is what I was assuming.

Though I don't understand why this should take so long when I am doing the first "commit" to an empty depot.

Jenkins prolly doesn't make sense for me, want to minimize cloud stuff

[wide raven]

If you run It on project root, it checks everything in local, even ignored folders like Saved and Intermediate. So it does a lot of unnecessary work

[tribal marten]

I did make an ignore file, but it may be very suboptimal right now. I just used their recommended template for unreal

[tribal marten]

oh, so it ignores the ignore file? So am I doing something I don't need to do here?

[wide raven]

Once you reach the point you have maybe a bit of a team, some QA etc, having package on every commit + Nightly builds will make a heap of sense. But yeah you can live without it

[wide raven]

Should be fine

[tribal marten]

do I need to do the full reconcile here? I'm guess I do since this is first time? What is the difference between reconcile offline work and the regular check out / check back in flow (or whatever it is called here)?

[wide raven]

You do not need to do reconcile. Reconcile is basically sanity checking for files in your workspace that you have forgotten to commit and stuff like that. As I said before, I hardly every use it. And I see no reason to run it on first commit.

Generally you just have changes in a ChangeList. Submit that, others do Get Latest, bobs your uncle

[tribal marten]

without reconcile, the only files I see to add are these:
seems wrong? It seems like it isn't recursively grabbing things inside folders at all?

[wide raven]

Add the whole Content folder for starters

.sln should not be versioned, show your ignore file

[tribal marten]

literally copy paste from perforce site

when I try to add the Content folder (or any folder), the only files I see getting added to the files tab are files in that folder (no files from folders inside that folder, i.e. no recursion)

[wide raven]

Here's ours for comparison ( ours may have some stuff you don't need though )

/localConfig.json
/kards.sln*
kards.uproject.*

# Ignore IDE files
.idea
.vs
/.idea/
/.vs/
/Plugins/Developer/RiderLink/


# Ignore generated folders
Saved/
Binaries/
!/Plugins/StoveSDKPlugin/Binaries/ThirdParty
Intermediate/
DerivedDataCache/
Developer/
Build/
!Build/Android/gradle/AFSProject/app/google-services.json
!Build/IOS/GoogleService-Info.plist
/DataExport/dump.*
ArchivedBuilds/
Plugins/BlueprintAssist/NodeSizeCache/
Plugins/AutoSizeComments/ASCCache/

# Additional
log.txt
*.tmp
.*

#Notepad++ backup files
*.bak

[tribal marten]

I'm sure I'm just being a noob here, so feel free to just tell me to go read another tutorial...

thanks a ton for your help here

yeah, I'm comfortable adding stuff to this, my real Q right now is why I am not able to easily add all the files recursively

[wide raven]

Our ignore can be criticized, it's a bit of a frankensteins monster by now perhaps...

[tribal marten]

in my experience, most .ignores end up being frankensteins 🙂

[wide raven]

But ignoring the solution is definitely ok, because that can and will be regenerated at times

[tribal marten]

yeah, that makes sense

[wide raven]

Hmm... it's been so long since I setup a new repo that I don't remember, but it shouldn't be that hard...

[tribal marten]

maybe right click -> "files in folder", then add?

doing that, it is now doing this:

which looks very much like what reconcile offline work was doing, so I'm scared

lol

[wide raven]

Well, as long as it is the Content folder, it's fine

[tribal marten]

I did it to the whole project folder, but I'm wondering if I should just go back to git here...

[wide raven]

Don't, p4 is better for unreal

[tribal marten]

yeah, I wanted to try because I assum it should handle binary / assets / BP better

[wide raven]

Ok, I would cancel that operation. Do you have Binaries and Intermediate folders? If yes, delete them now.

Those folders are always regenerated, so you can safely do that at any time.

[tribal marten]

should I try only adding the content and source folders?

[wide raven]

Then you will save a lot of time on this initial setup.

Yeah, I would recommend focusing Content and Source

Or maybe even practicing this process with a blank test project with just a couple of files

Assuming you currently have a big project with lots of stuff

[tribal marten]

It's very small compared to larger projects I'm sure, but it's probably a couple gigs or something all together

I'm also using wwise, not sure how that plays in here

[wide raven]

Yeah that's already pretty big and painful to start working with

I would practice this setup process with a Blank project with just a couple of dummy files to make sure you have a clear idea of what you are doing to begin with

Anyway, you are on the right track I reckon. Have patience, after the initial setup things should be rosy

[tribal marten]

gonna try doing with just the ignore file and the source folder

that's like 100 files and just text so very small

[ocean anvil]

https://github.com/brickadia/p4-fast-reconcile

[tribal marten]

you use this?

[ocean anvil]

aye, its waaaaaaaay faster.

[tribal marten]

are you part of the maintainer group of that or nah? Doesn't feel great to have to use some 3rd party thing to make p4 even semi-functional, ngl...

[ocean anvil]

no just something i use. and i mean... if u're used to git... all the GUI's that make git usable are third party too.

[tribal marten]

I'm used to using git cli and it pretty much "just works"

[wide raven]

I repeat, Reconcile is not an essential part of p4v workflow.

[ocean anvil]

and p4 is more than usable by itself. it works great imo. you are talking about 1 specific feature that in normal workflows you'd need but once every few months normally.

[tribal marten]

but that's not for game projects with big non-text files

I probably just messed something up when I tried to reconcile the whole project at once and that maybe gumming stuff up still

[wide raven]

no, it shouldn't leave any issues lingering

[tribal marten]

i.e.

[ocean anvil]

🤷‍♂️ there is a program on github that fixes the slow reconcile. if you don;t want to use that than you have limited options.

[tribal marten]

how do I clear those 4154? that's from my initial try I think

[ocean anvil]

right click revert files

[tribal marten]

I'm not opposed, I would just like to do the thing with the default system once first at least

looks like revert is gonna take another 20 minutes, lol

[ocean anvil]

though if it found that many files likely your p4ignore isn;t set up correctly

[wide raven]

Note : to be precise a CL with stuff in it is not an 'issue'. It is simply what you have scheduled as a potential commit.

[wide raven]

Ezra has a several gigabyte project, so 5,000 files is not unexpected

[tribal marten]

right, but now I'd like to discard that or start a new commit

[wide raven]

revert, yes. will take a moment

1. Add Source folder, commit. See things should work just fine.
2. Add Content folder, which will likely be huge from what we have seen so far. commit. will take a while, but after that you should start reaching smooth sailing.

[tribal marten]

yeah, I tried with just source, but it seems like I need to first revert this aborted reconcile from earlier?

[ocean anvil]

/0. check and verify your p4ignore file

[tribal marten]

it was stalling with just source

[tribal marten]

I'm going to start by just have basically nothing in the folder, e.g. a single text file to commit

so ignore should not be an issue

[ocean anvil]

in that case reconcile/commit etc. will basically take .1 seconds anyways.

[tribal marten]

that's my hope. It seems I can't do anything until I somehow undo these current pending changes though. If there is an instant way to discard these, lmk. In git, this would be something like a stash

What is "shelve files", btw?

[ocean anvil]

you can shelve them for later but then you'd still have to deal with them somehow later there is no real "discard" iirc as that could lead to data mismatches etc. so it does not let you intentionally do so. if you want files to go back to what they were you'd want them to be reverted to their previous state

there is a workaround iirc by deleting the workspace the CL is in but iirc that can lead to more issues.

i also have not done that in ages so that info could be wrong or outdated.

[ocean anvil]

https://www.perforce.com/manuals/v17.1/p4v/files.shelve.html

[tribal marten]

Can I just delete the whole depot and make a new one or something?

or rather delete the workspace, I guess?

Nope, looks like I can't even delete the depot without reverting these half-done changes

well, this has been frustrating, lol

maybe I can just delete the entire resource group in azure and make a new one

then be able to start fresh without this mess

[ocean anvil]

you should be able to just obliterate/destroy the depot from p4admin

if you dont care about the data within

[tribal marten]

I just tried that and it told me I couldn't delete it because there are un-reverted commits or some such

[wide raven]

Shelve is incredibly useful for example:

• when I work on something at the office that I also want to work on at home later, I shelve it. Then I can unshelve the CL at home to continue work. This will however create a new pending CL at home, but generally this doesn't bother me as I just then Shelve those again for access at the office. Have to clean those up after use though. Perhaps there's a better way for that still.

• when somebody wants a review of changes - they shelve them, reviewer can unshelve them from anywhere, leave comments on slack or jira or whatever.

After an Unshelve, once you don't need them anymore, simply Delete Shelved files and Revert the local changes as needed ( in the case of a review for example ). No problems

[ocean anvil]

did you try both obliterate files and delete depot?

[tribal marten]

I haven't seen any option called "obliterate." I tried right click -> delete depot in p4Admin

[tribal marten]

aha! that sounds like what I want

thanks

looks like that cleared it so I can start again

don't have time now though. Thanks @ocean anvil and @wide raven

[ocean anvil]

make sure the CL of the workspace is now empty otherwise you will still have to remove that workspace and create a new 1

[woven sluice]

that fast reconcile looks potentially clever as frick

[teal bone]

Fast reconcile?

[woven sluice]

Up a couple pages by WTF

I mean linked by WTF

[teal bone]

Neat

Can't say I've ever had an issue with reconcile, though.

[outer kiln]

anyone know about permission errors re: p4 Typemap ? not working atm ;0-0

You don't have permission for this operation.

[ocean anvil]

i honestly havent either, mine generally finish in just a few seconds, but i've heard especially with people who have a depot for the engine source and rather large projects it can take a good while.
and someone linked that addon a little while back and its even faster and from what i see/hear from other people who do struggle with the reconcile speed it saves loads of time. so figured it can't hurt to try it, its worked well for me since.

[ocean anvil]

are you using an account with admin or superuser level permissions? otherwise you wont be able to edit the typemap.

[outer kiln]

Im not sure actually

don'trecall ever having issues last time I tried perf

may have to uninstall/re

not sure what may have happened

[ocean anvil]

you could just check your permission levels on p4admin

[outer kiln]

ive looked but see no way to verify that, where would one check

well

i checked under , edit user

says stanard user, I presume that is the problem

again not surew why but perission tab in admin is greyed out

p4 configure show security < ran in cmd windows 11 pro, no permission LOL

[ocean anvil]

likely because you don't have sufficient permissions.

[outer kiln]

ya

[ocean anvil]

if you never set up any permissions the first account you added/made on the server would have gotten superuser permissions

[outer kiln]

weird then

maybe I missed a step dunno

[ocean anvil]

if you go to p4admin users tab you should be able to see all registered users

[outer kiln]

both standard

edit user is no help with permissions

[ocean anvil]

try logging in to both of the accounts listed there if there is multiple

[outer kiln]

ok

[ocean anvil]

if none of the acounts there have superuser permissions you probably messed up your permissions and might have to create a new server

[outer kiln]

ya, thats ok don't mind, ya I think thats about right 😉

[ocean anvil]

when you create a new server after you create the first account make sure to disable autocreate and verify you have superuser permissions on your admin account. (bonus points if you set up permission groups to handle your permissions.)

[teal bone]

I don't tend to do reconciles on the entire engine, though. I do it on specific modules, generally just teh source directories.

[outer kiln]

@ocean anvil fixed ;0-0 FINally, went into admin in another connection, user I want to use was not super, made it so ! lol, and now p4 -P yaddablahj typemap , worked!!!!

[outer kiln]

then ofc I set .p4igore and typemap

[upper flume]

use source control they say...

like at some point it needs to be simplified and not take up 100 processes im out. no point

[pulsar parcel]

that sounds like a more your end issue

because it generally doesn't

[upper flume]

yeah well its not

so

if its this difficult its not worth doing

commit, push

should be done

and its not

so

ruining resources on my pc is all it does

[pulsar parcel]

yeah issue your end. I pretty much have Fork open all day and even being a GUI client it doesn't create loads of processes like that

[hoary rain]

I know Unreal maintains a bunch of metadata for source control for various assets, but I also need to submit a bunch of source code and binaries and stuff. What's the best practice for managing these different types of files? Using SVN, by the way.

[teal bone]

I've had it do that once. When it was failing to connect properly to the git server, GFW just created a load of zombie processes.

[outer kiln]

@hoary rain I had zero luck with svn, though not for trying. I had version mismatch , maybe youhad more success.Atm I'm using perforce, so far , so GOOD. Free for up to 5 users etc.

[hoary rain]

I might consider switching at some point, though for the moment SVN is treating us fine. I just don't know whether to send binaries and source code first, or the contents of Unreal first and whatever remains afterward.

[outer kiln]

NOt that I may know hm , not sure what the need you are having regarding 'what' , to send when ?

[hoary rain]

I've run into issues with things breaking when I didn't use the submission system within the engine. When I just submitted via Tortoise, some data went missing and it screwed some stuff up. It may have been some other small detail somewhere that caused it, but I just want to be careful and make sure I'm doing everything correctly.

[outer kiln]

I used to help out on a simple engine, where yes tortoise was used, but it was all tortoisesvn, no engine involved as another eneity. That would be why.

if you don't use UE svn, it won't know about all the changes, no way it could.

Not that I'm aware of anyway, unless some custom setup was devised.

[limpid valley]

with git, I'm tryna commit and push a like 8GB zip file. Commiting was fine, its just when pushing I get thisi:
$ git push Enumerating objects: 4, done. Counting objects: 100% (4/4), done. Delta compression using up to 10 threads Compressing objects: 100% (2/2), done. error: RPC failed; HTTP 500 curl 22 The requested URL returned error: 500 send-pack: unexpected disconnect while reading sideband packet Writing objects: 100% (3/3), 2.77 GiB | 1.60 MiB/s, done. Total 3 (delta 1), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 0 (from 0) fatal: the remote end hung up unexpectedly Everything up-to-date
Any1 know why it aint pushing properly? I even tried git lfs track *.zip and still getting ^ error

[wind gazelle]

what app you use as frontend? looks like a bug in software that invokes git console

also you can look at commandline that is being executed

[wind gazelle]

commit makes a local commit, push is what uploads it to remote.
you can try forcing "git config http.version HTTP/1.1" for large files inLFS

[limpid valley]

Not really sure why there are untracked in the first place as I'd never excluded them. Maybe Unreal engine automatically untracked them or smth.
Anyways my question is: is there any reason to include these externalactors files in my pushes?

[long hull]

Those are actors from your (OFPA) levels, so you probably want to

[limpid valley]

aight

[limpid valley]

also i tried this

but still getting same error fatal: the remote end hung up unexpectedly

[cobalt tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbl8Nhx_Z4o

im following this tutorial on youtube
hes using a cable as the grapller how can i use it as as my character hand (from one piece gomu gomu rocket abllity)
will be glad for help with this

[fresh raptor]

ME and my friend are using Perforce and UE5.2. He's currently having this error where anytime he moves something on the map there's a pop up that says "Unable to automatically check out files". He has the option to automatically check out anything when modify, so he doesn't need to think about checking out things, but this popup is starting to get very annoying.

[ocean anvil]

see what it says in the output log, that might give more details as to why

[fresh raptor]

This is the only thing it shows.

[ocean anvil]

if he manually navigates to that exact same file can he check it out without problems?

[fresh raptor]

I'm not sure if I follow. Let me show you exactly what's happening.

[ocean anvil]

its unable to do it automatically what if they try it manually, browse to the asset and try to check out the file

[fresh raptor]

The level is already checked out.

It's not presenting a problem in practice, but that popup keeps showing regardless if it's already checked out or not.

The weird part is that it doesn't happen to me. So I can't replicate the same situation.

[limpid valley]

Could some1 help me with this ^

[outer kiln]

I can't , but sorry you're having that issue, I gave up getting svn or git to work.

[wind gazelle]

what service you trying to push it to? azure? self-hosted? github?

[meager goblet]

If you’re using GitHub.com do you have enough room in your data pack? Do you have a data pack?

[unreal citrus]

Is there any way to make git LFS release locks when you push locked assets to remote repository?

[limpid valley]

I’m using git bash to push my stuff onto my repo which is hosted on GitHub.com

[woven sluice]

Using github to store ginormous zip files is one heck of an idea

The zip file is actually part of your project source?

[limpid valley]

By “data pack” do u mean “git lfs data”? If so, I paid for the upgrade and have like 15gb+ available which is plenty of space for my 8gb zip

[limpid valley]

😭 it was the first git hosting platform I was introduced

[limpid valley]

It’s my packaged unreal game so others can play it easily

Just plopped it in my folder

[woven sluice]

Just use any other cloud storage system for that...

[limpid valley]

For convenience here’s the error again^

[limpid valley]

I could but I just don’t see why git is giving me issues I paid to be able to put larger files

[pulsar parcel]

again, someone being ripped off by github's data packs

[meager goblet]

Gotcha I kinda echo the others…just use a cloud storage? Seems kinda weird to throw your package game into source control

[outer kiln]

anyone know why Id not have file > new stream in p4v,bad install >?:

[knotty pendant]

I migrated a project to perforce and now the project cant find the UE install to build the project, its looking for it under the workspace directory, can anyone tell me where to update the directory?

[wide raven]

Right click uproject, Switch Unreal Engine Version?

[knotty pendant]

i didnt del the sln, think it was read only when i regenerated or something, del and rebuilding project files sorted it

[knotty pendant]

still have engine linking issue though, every engine reference is red

builds fine though

[wind gazelle]

github has significant issues dealing with anything over 2gb, get a proper platform or breakdown the zip into smaller pieces

it is intended for code, not for large binary files

[unreal citrus]

bump

[wind gazelle]

did you check
https://github.com/git-lfs/git-lfs/wiki/File-Locking
https://github.com/git-lfs/git-lfs/issues/3733

unlock --force seem to release locks

also

Note: Different LFS server implementations may have different permissions. Some may require admin privileges to unlock someone else's lock, for example.

[unreal citrus]

Haven't seen those yet. Much appreciated.

[unreal citrus]

I'm using Gitea IIRC only admins and person who owns the lock can unlock

[wind gazelle]

F

[limpid valley]

Just a quick google search shows GitHub is the best hoster. So what would u recommend. Only other host ive heard of is gitlab

[outer kiln]

Its fine if your project is oss/free

[wide raven]

Azure is commonly recommended here, and should probably have a brief writeup and pin : )

[ocean anvil]

the guide for azure is pinned in #ue5-general

[ocean anvil]

github is pretty much the best host for code based projects.
but UE projects are not just code. they use a whole subset of files many of which are binary, as well as other large asset files. which github was not made for and is not properly set up for.

for git you'll likely want Azure as suggested above since you can get unlimited free storage.

[outer kiln]

are you saying asure works best with git

[ocean anvil]

you get unlimited free storage on azure for git.

[outer kiln]

HM

[ocean anvil]

its not really better to use over other hosting options for any other reason then being free as far as i'm aware

[wide raven]

Perforce is pretty much industry standard for companies with money to pay for it / people who can host their own servers.
Azure+Git seems to be most pop indie option

[ocean anvil]

but i don;t use git so i might be wrong

[outer kiln]

only neg for us, UE, is git is beta ? I guess there are other options there, haven't looked too much as I never got git to work,perforce was first to do so.

I wonder if there is any news on that , beta front

[ocean anvil]

i've used nothing but perforce since the start and after a little bit of getting used to it it has been working perfectly with no problems ever since.

[outer kiln]

ya so far here great, only thing I have to do, is make a stream, didn't know when I first started usingit, so I can just copy nonstream into stream and delete afterwards,,streaming is very helpful,wish installer would have made that a bit more clear.

[kindred spruce]

so i have a project, i want to go back and continue there, without loosing what i did now, is there a way to do that?

[wide raven]

1. If only your local copy has unwanted changes, Revert them

2. If you have submitted unwanted changes to depot, you can Undo them ( easiest if they are very recent )

3. If your situation is more complicated, and you have to go back a long way, we can ponder that as needed

Ah, but you mention "without losing what i did now", so you will have to explain a bit more clearly what exactly you want to achieve

[kindred spruce]

i checked out the commit i wanted and branched off it, its solved. thanks.

[dense fulcrum]

Anyone know how to prevent this error in Perforce when trying to submit very large pushes?

1 error reported
Submit validation failed -- fix problems then use 'p4 submit -c 1212'.
'swarm.strict' validation failed: Submit trigger unable to communicate with Swarm server [ourserver/api/v9/changes/1212/check?type=strict&user=user], unable to commit ().

[dense fulcrum]

This happens usually about an hour in to the submit, which tells me its probably swarm disconnecting from the submit?

[wide raven]

Seems like it would be wise in any case to break down massive commits into more manageable pieces

[dense fulcrum]

I'm pushing the engine to our repo for UGS

Last time I tried to in a different depot we abandoned, it took me 20+ commits, breaking down the ThirdParty folder into many, many commits

[wide raven]

Painful

Still, I'm a bit surprised it's that bad, I would have imagined, say, a 5-10Gb commit to be a realistic piece ( just off the top of my hat )

If it's all about the timeouts, can use an upload calculator
https://downloadtimecalculator.com/Upload-Time-Calculator.html

[wind gazelle]

it is better if you have not just CODE but assets like unreal, and massive things like person who asked
github/gitlab good only for CODE and binary files under 50mb

[fallow wadi]

Do you prefer perforce or git for unreal engine? Which is better and easy to use.

[outer kiln]

well if eassy can be judged by first towork, git no way

just kidding more or less, but ya perfoce was first to work without a lotof FUSS

buit its not free, so not easy to grow into unless you are richISH

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-7446644742773745607

Ggit hub works if you use lfs, according to docs, never tried so ..can't say with abs. certaintly

and no im not much of a coder atm, BP ftw o_0

I am trying git now see if I an get it working, as I like idea of unlimited repoi on git even private, using also asure devops

[white marten]

Hello, I'm quite new to using source control. I am currently using Azure DevOps as a server, but I am confused as to what stuff means in terms of storage. From what I've read, supposedly there's 250GB per repository right? But then I read somewhere that there's a max 2 GiB for Azure Artifact, but I don't know what that means. Is it max 2 GiB per file? They talk about a build somewhere.

[outer kiln]

me too, although ive not a clue how to get started, YET looking at vid tuts ;0-0-0

reading

no idea on repo limit sizes

allegedly unlimited private, through github

[white marten]

I've managed to get it working, but the storage stuff, even on github is quite confusing

[outer kiln]

wathching https://portal.azure.com/?quickstart=True#view/Microsoft_Azure_Resources/QuickstartTutorialBlade/checklistId/get-started-with-azure/sectionId/get-started-navigating-the-portal/lessonId/get-started-navigating-free-account

just literlly now

literally

[white marten]

well, good luck on your search too!

[outer kiln]

:))

we may be able to help each other, given we are doing tahe same thing

or close enough maybe...

I think this is spoot on, why they don't tell you about this , is well, not very business like anyway here this is for us https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=azure+deovs+github+unlimited+repo+tutorial+yioutube&mid=8318C69706EB136B3A2B8318C69706EB136B3A2B&FORM=VIRE

its all a bit cumbersome if you ask me, but I found taht binging for github azaure devops

[white marten]

Sure! I'll say something if I find out more about how the storage works. If you need help setting it up, I think I know how to do it.

[outer kiln]

hope that url helps, not surer precisely your needs re SC

[white marten]

Just trying to understand how the storage works, so that if I lose my local project, I still have it in the cloud, and what the max per file size and max cloud storage is, and at what point do I have to start paying. Because it just seems weird to me that I can just upload tons of GB and not pay anything

[outer kiln]

yes the repo part you get on github (allegedly un limited ??) is on github ofc, that is on github, local you might lose, bad file corrupt, thats what github is for , its a 'clone' Iguess you could call of it, of local

thats why im doing this, I have external flash, but I don't want to depend on just that, for my project

ie: no dedicated computer > server

[white marten]

I saw somewhere in a forum that github's max repo was 100GB, don't know if that still stands

[outer kiln]

ok cool had no idea

thats why lfs is impoortant, those big files go there..again, not sure how it all WORKS myself ;0--

I think github warns you before payment is necessary

as I recall....o-0

or maybe devps does, or both ;0-0-

[white marten]

There's a pinned message in this channel to a link named "Git for Unreal Engine Projects" that explains some stuff really well

[outer kiln]

yeah I tried that, but no success at all, kept getting errors in ue 5.3,,couldn't find root workspace or something

I gaveup, btw git is still beta in ue

not sure I want to put my important proejct, throug that

\ 😉

hence > perforce

but maybe devops > github is (OK

is OK

svn was also a flop

kept getting wrong version number between svn in UE and svn locally, so Igave up on that too

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-love-lucy-okay-idk-gif-16447471

[white marten]

I didn't really read anything on perforce, but from a quick search apparently perforce is standard in the industry

[outer kiln]

yes

its what epic uses

5 team members or less

free ;))

[white marten]

I went to their website once and saw that it was paid, so I gave up. But apparently it isn't

[outer kiln]

well its free ''' for up to 5 users, forget what storage limit is

wait sorry

im storing loally on interanl samsung HD

so its free for me, just one user me lol

with ext flash drive backup <<<<<

[white marten]

I'm in the same shoes

[outer kiln]

I recomend that heavily

cool !!

so the devops + github private, it just another backup attempt...we'll see howit goes,,its free long as you don't choose, NON free pay as you go

it wanrs you,.allegedly :)))heh

I tell ya, backs ups are pushing my stroage to its limits ;))

I mean with everything else I have backed up,,blender ue etc. ;))

[white marten]

Ye, I too have too much storage spent on backups

[outer kiln]

well , my ext backup is usb3.2, 500gb or such so its holding , so far lol

you can do that too, those are falling in price quickly

5 yr guarantee

[white marten]

hdd or ssd?

[outer kiln]

ssd

ssd 3.2usb

whicih is one of the fastest

flashdrive

[white marten]

oh alright

[outer kiln]

might help you for now, with some exp alternative backups

a backup for a backup LOL

dep on size of your project, don't forget to use LFS for git

and watch that tut above

[white marten]

Ye, I already have one project fully integrated with git and on the Azure cloud

[outer kiln]

nice ;_))

[shut belfry]

is this p4ignore example from the perforace guide good for unreal engine 5? do I need to add more things? The gitignore file has tons of other stuff in it

[pulsar parcel]

.idea, Binaries (if you don't upload them)

but pretty complete

[shut belfry]

thanks, what is .idea? never heard of it

[pulsar parcel]

a folder that gets created if you use Rider

[shut belfry]

got it thank you for the help

[pulsar parcel]

though I've gotten away without p4ignore before

since you mark things for add and check them out yourself anyway

and having to setup an env var for your entire team is annoying

[wind gazelle]

also you have a typo, it is PDB and not PBD 🙂
you can also read what common gitignore does and port it for p4

[shut belfry]

its written that way in the official helix core documentation 😭

[dense fulcrum]

Is there something I'm missing? I'm trying to build UGS in UE5.4.1 and it seems there's a missing folder? Is this normal cuz it's also not present on the Github

Hmm, yeah. Looking at the Github, it seems the Launcher folder is deleted between 5.3 and 5.4

For anyone in the future searching for this issue: https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/missing-unrealgamesynclauncher-folder-and-files-with-5-4/1822999/4 This post has the solution

[hoary wren]

What's my easiest option for backing my current work to my perforce server without removing it from my local workspace? In git I would make a new branch for this work and push that branch to the remote, and then eventually delete it once I have merged it into trunk.

Is shelving without reverting local files my best bet here?

I also briefly looked into task streams and sparse streams, those could be a fit too I think.

[woven sluice]

"without removing it from my local workspace" this would normally happen with plain old trunk dev, no branch, can you clarify more what you want?

e.g. are you trying to temporarily save your work somewhere without actually embedding it into the change history? or mimic a specific git workflow

lots-of-branches dev is... challenging in unreal, to say the least

[round iris]

in Azure Dev Ops, where can I find the right credidentials for GitHub desktop?

I commited the main branch once but now when I want to push something it's asking me for the Password again - I should be using a Token? Or the original user password?

Nothing seems to be working

ok nevermind I just add to regenerate the Token once again for some reason

[hoary wren]

I think I'm just trying to back the work up somewhere on the server so that I don't lose it in case my machine decides to die in the next day or two, without removing that work from my local workspace.

[hoary wren]

I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that you don't want the team locking all of the non-mergeable files in perpetuity because nobody would be able to get any work done?

[ocean anvil]

do you want a back up of the server, including changelists, revisions etc. or just the files in your workspace?

[ocean anvil]

probably moreso the fact that all the binary files the engine uses are rather hard to merge. so merging side branches into your main branch can be rather painful if multiple branches have modified the same files.

[woven sluice]

If you're just looking to temporarily keep a copy of your work on the server, yeah shelving would do. Personally I just got in the workflow of committing every few hours, day at most, and keeping my code compiling

[hoary wren]

Makes sense. Is it common for UE devs to keep their own copy of a particular blueprint they might be working on so that they can keep committing to it, but then later down the line they can do a manual merge?

[woven sluice]

you would just check it out and keep it checked out

Unless you really want/need to manual merge

[long mural]

Yeah checkouts is key in a team

You don't want thr whole merge rabbit hole. Trust me.

Sometimes it happens but it shouldn't be a regular thing of people use checkouts and commit regularly.

[wide raven]

In a group project I don't like the idea of committing to mainline with that sort of frequency. I would advise to keep the file checked out and shelving 'backups', with max. daily commits on intermediate work ( as long as it's not breaking stuff dramatically ). In a solo project, feel free though

[wide raven]

Seconded, Never Ever aim to do manual merges. Always Checkout, if somebody needs the file, talk about how to handle the situation. Options include

• letting the person know how soon the file will be freed up
• if it's a rush to get a small change in, perhaps a w.i.p commit to mainline and giving the person a time window to perform the change ( again, this supposes that the commit to mainline does not break things dramatically )

In an Unreal team project, working directly to mainline is pretty normal, but trying to simultaneously keep mainline as functional as possible is paramount so QA can get nightly builds

[merry tiger]

So branching off main, then editing and committing the branch, rebasing main, then merging the rebased main changes into the branch, then amending the branch's only commit with the merged changes.... is trying to be too clever for my own good.

6 new files, 4 altered files in the project with that commit.
Commit says 4 altered files only.

[merry tiger]

(It's just a solo project so I can derp around like this)

[wide raven]

Yeah, I would personally really recommend only getting deep into branching stuff only with source code files.

With Unreal BPs, I have gotten used to trying to think in terms of daily milestones of developing complex features and just working with mainline

[merry tiger]

In the above, some CPP files fell victim to the issue too. I'm just not as clever with trying to manipulate with rebases/merges as I thought I was.

But yeah, I agree with that vibe for BPs. I really feel anxious having to rework something in my main movement BP.

[wide raven]

Regarding anxiousness, the fact you have version control should lessen the fear, since you know you can go backwards at any stage if something goes horribly wrong. So especially in a solo project, more granular commits may make sense vs my recommendation of daily in teams

[merry tiger]

Yeah agreed. It's more like.. you know, those times where something went wrong but you don't realise for a day or 2

[wide raven]

Another pattern I like to do if there's a really complex change in the works, is to keep the old path intact and switchable to the new path, so other devs are using the old working model while I work on the new broken thing wip

[merry tiger]

Then you're stuck eyeballing a blueprint

[wide raven]

Yeah, surprises can be nasty

[merry tiger]

That's a good idea. You mean path as in, in the literal BP right

[wide raven]

yes

Like having a bool in the BP "useNewThing" yes / no

[merry tiger]

Yeah I should think of that more probably

Well, and hopefully just not make any more realy complex BPs

[wide raven]

Yeah, keeping things simple is always best but can be hard to avoid often... Typically you have to build things out the hard way and then can simplify once you have mapped out the problem space

[woven sluice]

"Commit early, commit often" always prevails

[peak tusk]

So we were blocked from upgrading our project from UE 5.3 to UE 5.3 due to SVN not working. Looks like 5.4.2 may have fixed this
UE-213478 Subversion (SVN) consistently fails to connect on 5.4 and later according to https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/5-4-2-hotfix-released/1889074

Anyone running SVN on UE 5.4.2 able to verify that they were able to get it working for them?

[pseudo granite]

Im part of a group of people who are using perforce to contain our UE5.3 project.
I recently advocated to update the project to 5.4 (due to retargeting improvements).

How involved would the process be of changing the engine version of the project in the repository?

Would this just be as simple as checking out the entire project directory in Perforce, and then right clicking the .Uproject file and switching versions, then just submitting the changelist?

[merry verge]

You don't need to checkout the whole project.

Just the uproject file.

"upgrading" a project using the launcher just involves changing which version the uproject references.

[wind gazelle]

looks like it is this commit
https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/commit/13f16d193d842c33c1e5d2d084123bd8b093c398
i don't think many people use unreal svn integration

[jaunty hornet]

Hi hi, I'm trying a git lfs workflow for the first time, me and my team have trouble cloning a git lfs repository

Getting files that look like this:

version https://git-lfs.github.com/spec/v1
oid sha256:2422fab6a868465242fa8287b138051e93f4559ada530dec74247fc6aafb182a
size 1018

ok, i figured you had to do git lfs install followed by git lfs pull

Is there a way to have that done automatically with a git clone via TortoiseGIt?

[wind gazelle]

yea, it looks like you forgot to install lfs hooks

you have to do it manually for each repo (usually run git console)

[jaunty hornet]

Also it's a bit confusing for me whether git lfs install is system-wide or repo-specific

[jaunty hornet]

And do you have to do git lfs pull everytime you want to pull changes?

[wind gazelle]

no, after installing hooks they will be triggered automatically after regular pull/fetch etc

git lfs install changes hooks within .git/hooks folder for that repo

[jaunty hornet]

Righty ho, so standard workflow for cloning a git lfs repo is

git clone <Repo>
cd <RepoDirectory>
git lfs install
git lfs pull

[peak tusk]

Yeah we're in the minority of using SVN for sure, but I know we're not alone. If anyone's curious seems to be working in 5.4.2 for me

[pseudo granite]

oh ok, thanks for this.
will try out soon.

[runic trail]

How does the Developers Content folder work with source control? Is it part of the project or stored locally only?

[silver token]

Generally there is no difference from other content, but it's a little bit up to the developer. If they never submit anything, it's stored locally (but the engine probably marked it for add if you're using Perforce).
"Developer" folders don't have to be per-person either. You can create and name them whatever. They can be good for developers to share experimental or test content.

[runic trail]

ah ok that makes sense

[runic summit]

Just noticed this - SourceControl: CommandMessage Command: UpdateStatus, Info: Path 'C:/Program Files/Epic Games/UE_5.3/Engine/Plugins/Marketplace/TerminalBallistics/Content/Bullets/DA_Bullet_308.uasset' is not under client's root 'C:\LiveSimDepotRoot'. SourceControl: CommandMessage Command: UpdateStatus, Info: Path 'C:/Program Files/Epic Games/UE_5.3/Engine/Plugins/Marketplace/TerminalBallistics/Content/Bullets/DA_Bullet_338.uasset' is not under client's root 'C:\LiveSimDepotRoot'. SourceControl: CommandMessage Command: UpdateStatus, Info: Path 'C:/Program Files/Epic Games/UE_5.3/Engine/Plugins/Marketplace/TerminalBallistics/Content/Bullets/DA_Bullet_300BLK.uasset' is not under client's root 'C:\LiveSimDepotRoot'. SourceControl: CommandMessage Command: UpdateStatus, Info: Path 'C:/Program Files/Epic Games/UE_5.3/Engine/Plugins/Marketplace/TerminalBallistics/Content/Bullets/DA_Bullet_300BLK_Subsonic.uasset' is not under client's root 'C:\LiveSimDepotRoot'. can't tell if I should be concerned. Those are an engine plugin assets, but why does source control care?

[ocean anvil]

the engine is trying to check them in, perforce then responds sorry can't do i don't have access to those basically.

as long as those files are always part of that plugin by default and that plugin is always added i dont think you need to be concerned.

[runic summit]

Cool, thanks for comfirming

[left stump]

Hey guys what version control do you recommen for UE5.4?

[outer kiln]

liked svn via tortoiseSVN but never got past version mismatches with ue vs svn itself. Git also had issues connecting ,perfforce tho not'free' if your team is gong to get large enough, I did get working with effort.

[left stump]

oh okay, I was wondering I tried git but is not connecting properly so is why I was curious what others has been using.

[outer kiln]

yup 🙂

[wind gazelle]

Git, just don't use builtin git integration (or use projectborealis git plugin) or a separate git gui

svn is horrific if you want to do modern dev cycle with branching/merging/tagging

[ocean anvil]

perforce or git. i personally use perforce which works great imo and is a bit more industry standard, but git has more community resources and can be set up for free/cheaper. perforce is free as well up to 5 users but doesn;t provide free storage/server hosting, unless you host your own server. but git can be a bit more cumbersome because of the need for gitLFS and it does tend to run into more situations where it might require some tinkering to have things work as desired.

[cunning mantle]

I'll suggest perforce even you are a small team because it is free below 5 seats. And it could be very smooth to upgrade (paying money) to the commercial license. SVN is terrible for branching and merging, git is terrible for managing the large file and the default git has no asset lock even.

[wind gazelle]

locking assets is horrifying mess in a large team, i'm really glad git does not offer that by default

i already had fair share of that mess back in the svn days when people lock tons of assets "i work on them" and then blocking everyone elses work

[pulsar parcel]

It's why the Perforce source control integration has uncontrolled changelists

[silver token]

That's interesting. I've never encountered this working in large teams with perforce.
Everyone tends to be pretty conscientious about it and make efforts not to block other people.

[wind gazelle]

artists like to lock files they work on (because there used to be button "lock this file") and when it is done on a shared blueprint or so that is under quite heavy use - troubles arise

also i've never used much perforce so (mostly svn/git)

[silver token]

Maybe I just don't work on enough of the same files as artists. Sometimes I do and they're pretty flexible about letting me know when it will become available if they can't just revert it.

But it's not feedback that's ever come up on teams about workflow issues. At least that I've been included on.

[ocean anvil]

its more of a work culture problem then a software problem in most cases.

[silver token]

I would agree with that

[woven sluice]

That's like the first time I've ever heard anyone complain about locking instead of complain about how someone had to throw their work in the garbage because they didn't have locking 😂

[tranquil walrus]

I'm using Git as source control. if I right click a blueprint and choose history and try to diff, it always fails, claiming it can't load it. However, if I go into the blueprint and use the diff menu in there, it works, telling me it works but something is wrong with the history diffing tool. Anyone know what causes that and how I can fix it? is there a source control setting I need to change? Just using the built in git support for Unreal 5.3

[heavy bridge]

Good morning everyone
I am having issues with Perforce and UE4.27
Everything works fine with the P4 Client but I can't have the editor connect to perforce. It doesn't show any available workspaces
This is the error log when I click on available workspaces

I run the same command through terminal and it runs fine. I don't know why UE can't find the workspace

[pulsar parcel]

And the settings in the connect screen are correct?

[heavy bridge]

yes

if I run the same command via terminal, it runs @pulsar parcel

[cunning mantle]

If you do really want to use Git, you'd better use
https://github.com/ProjectBorealis/UEGitPlugin
instead of the built in one.

[cunning mantle]

It is still better that if artists didn't give a shit that just force override others' work 😉
At least, you know someone is working on it and you need to talk to that person

[tranquil walrus]

So this issue can't be solved with the built in one?

[cunning mantle]

I never tried, but this plugin works very well. We tested in the internal team.

[finite quest]

is it possible to use perforce source control for free?

[cunning mantle]

If it is under 5 seats, you could use it for free

[finite quest]

oh that's good, yeah its under 5

but im having issues trying to even get started with it

when i click 'try for free' after entering my company details its stuck at 'please wait'

[cunning mantle]

Well, you might ask their customer service center, then.

[finite quest]

never mind it was opera gx

i suspected it to be the case because opera uses an outdated chromium version

[cunning mantle]

Opera GX is weird though. It never works on my iphone. Can't load any pages.

[finite quest]

yeah its pretty bad

[hoary wren]

What's the closest I can get to a Github style pull request, specifically to get a code review, for my Helix Core Cloud instance? Is swarm about as good as it gets for Perforce?

[silver token]

You can use the shelving feature to share code. You just have to tell them the CL and they can either unshelve it on their end or just do 'diff against source' directly from the selved file.

[wide raven]

Shelving method seconded, we use it and it works a treat

[hoary wren]

Thanks for the tips! How does it work as far as leaving comments on the code and so forth?

[silver token]

There is no capability for that sort of thing with shelved files. For that you would need an actual code review system like swarm or code collaborator. But you can always shelve changes and have conversations about it through your text or video communication software of choice.

[gaunt lagoon]

hi, I would like to use cloud source control for unreal engine. how can I configure it and which platforms should use? currently I use gitlab but it has 10gb limit. I need more storage for my porject.

[wide raven]

Azure has been often mentioned here

[rich tendon]

Does anyone know if there is a way to "save" blueprint diffs? I'm trying to figure out a good way to provide a list of changes when an update happens. The diff tool works great, I'd just rather not manually screenshot every change. I'm using perforce.

[woven sluice]

tbh, too tempted to ask why you have to deal with diffing blueprints so often that you would care for something like this 😄

[wide raven]

Like to actually provide a history of changes? I think it is overkill frankly, I would recomment other paths.

1. Have a system for CL naming. We have prefixes like FIX: CHANGE: ADD: DELETE: etcetera, and we try to educate people on having very clear 1-liner descriptions accompanying very clear changes ( not cramming too much into 1 change )
2. Code Review before submitting to mainline. We have a slackbot that randomizes people from a pool to review code, so everyone reviews each others work ( via shelves ). This is not necessarily for all tickets, but the more we use it the more people know about the big picture.

Also, if you are not already using them, I recommend these plugins to make BP code neat and consistent across developers

"Name": "AutoSizeComments",
"Name": "BlueprintAssist",
"Name": "NodeGraphAssistant",

[rich tendon]

Sorry, I mean for end users. As it’s an asset pack, you can’t just update it like a game. So if a bunch of changes are made in a new version but you’ve already made your own edits to suit your needs.

Trying to figure out the best way to provide context to help you basically merge the update and your own changes, as best as possible anyways.

[solar jackal]

When creating a repo in Azure, should I just clone the empty folder and move thee project into it, or is there a method to convert the project folder into the repository's folder?

[blissful moon]

Quick question. I forked Unreal Engine to have the EULA front facing before accessing seperate orphan branch I created for some research documents I created

if I set that orphan branch to the default one over the release branch as a convivence for people looking at it. Will the user still accept the EULA meaning be added to the EPIC repo

I assume the entire fork would require people to sign up to Epics repo which is intended

[wide raven]

So, I am upgrading my source fork 5.2 to 5.3
I have resolved all my changes.
I still have 20,000 conflicts to resolve.
What is the correct git command to resolve all remaining conflicts using upstream/5.3 ?

[wide raven]

If I try to do them all in Fork, I often get such errors, and then the fork client get stuck. Or maybe it is still processing the rest...
git checkout-index: Engine/Plugins/Bridge/ThirdParty/megascans/_next/static/chunks/9126b74717501af64efa5569bcb9e12576181dbb.5a037cbc439869810a03.js does not exist at stage 3

[static wadi]

hey my 2cents, without knowing the changes made, I would suggest doing a rebase rather than a merge, so you would only have to worry about conflicts caused by your changes

[wide raven]

It sounds plausible... Unreal docs recommend merge so I've been following that. Thanks!
https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/updating-to-the-latest-changes-from-epic-in-unreal-engine?application_version=5.3

[wind gazelle]

do you have many changes in engine files?
generally it is easier to make a fresh branch from release - cherry pick the changes to engine
or interactive rebase of your branch from one to another release tag
instead of trying to merge release branches

[wide raven]

Yeah, I am starting to feel I am doing this backwards, though one might assume epic docs on this would not lead astray : (

That said, I am still interested in what the git command for "resolve all remaining conflicts using upstream/5.3 ?" would be.

[wind gazelle]

since epic duplicates git commits in different branches a lot (as perforce mirror) it gets very troublessome when merging

i don't use commandline for that, usually simple tortoisegit rebase/cherrypick 🙂

[wide raven]

Pain is Fun...I am going to try this manual pain path to the end and try another way next time

[round iris]

anyone here using Azure DevOps?
I created a free tier account not long ago but I'm now receiving mails from them telling me to upgrade otherwise I will lose data etc.. but I don't need to upgrade to keep using it right..?

[ocean anvil]

what does the actual email say?

[round iris]

Do I have to upgrade to the 'Pay-as-you-go' tier but as long as I don't use any paid services I'll be fine? thats how I can keep using it?

[ocean anvil]

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/free/free-account-faq

[ocean anvil]

pretty much as long as you are not actually using any paid services or services beyond the free limit.

[open jay]

Hi, my perforce seems to be hanging a lot on reconcile operations. Any reason why this is happening? (I have it set up on aws on an c6a.2xlarge ec2 instance type FWIW)

[round iris]

Ok good thank you

[ocean anvil]

perforce reconcile can be really slow on large reconcile operations. you should normally not have to reconcile very often though.

Otherwise you can also look at this plugin:
https://github.com/brickadia/p4-fast-reconcile

[open jay]

does this work for added or deleted files?