source-control

[chrome badge]

i guess i'll have to look deeper

[golden dragon]

There's usually some crazy legalese that doesn't amount to anything. Specifically for diversion - I know the team so I really didn't bother

[golden dragon]

I agree that it should reflect the company's intentions 🙃

[woven sluice]

tbh clearly all that clause means is "if we decide to close up shop tomorrow, or not-decide to have our data centre get hit by an asteroid tomorrow, or whatever else happens to your data, there's nothing you can do to us about it" legalese is legalese and the corp will simply get a bad rap and go bankrupt if they do a bad job. happy to see some competition against the other big 2 options but it's kinda sad without any standalone license + self host option

[woven sluice]

indeed, everything has its price (and target audience)

[hoary nova]

Has anyone else had trouble getting the Unity Version Control plugin to work? (v. 1.9.0) I'm trying to connect it to an existing workspace (which works fine in the desktop client), but it won't check out files for me, and I get log messages complaining of invalid credentials. I have a similar problem with the built-in Plastic SCM plugin (v. 1.8.0). The old Plastic plugin behaves after I disable source control and re-enable it, but I have to do that every time I restart the editor, which is why I'm trying to upgrade. With the new plugin, I don't even get that, it just fails to check out every time.

[chrome badge]

so does checking out work for every stream or just the current stream you're using?

[teal sail]

Just the current stream.

[chrome badge]

that's what I thought

well it turns out we did figure it out

my team mate had a mysterious second workspace of the stream we were using

where he had some kind of pending branching

but we cleared that up

so if someone has something checked in and it's not on their current workspace I guess take it from us that there might be a second secret workspace all along!

[trim crane]

Does anyone know how to completely uninstall GitKraken? I want to make a screenshot of what it looks like the first time it's run after install, but I can't get back to that screen. Now, even if I uninstall and resintall, it somehow is remembering who I am and what repos I have. I've searched the regitry even and can't figure out where it is storing this data

Never mind. Finally beat down the brick wall with my head and figured it out

[steep radish]

hey guys

please i wanted to ask is source control and revision control the same thing in unreal? because i seem to have messed up my animation blue print and i am seeing something cslled revision control and it is showing me older versions how to i get the older once to replace the messed up- once

[wide raven]

Same thing yes. Not sure if Unreal supports getting older revisions : how to proceed depends on what vcs you are using ( perforce, svn etc )

[rustic dagger]

wait what does azure devops mean by that I need force push permission

I own the project

I can do anything

LET MEEE!!

(please ping me if you know what this is about)

nvm I got it

idk how

[lyric root]

my workplace is attempting to connect Plastic SCM to our current server with our project on it, but I can't seem to connect plastic to it using the server's IP address... anyone have any ideas? Or a guide on how to achieve this? Thanks!

[trim crane]

For those of you who use git, do you use the command line tool or a graphical client? If you use a graphical client, which one do you like best? I'm looking into them right now. Tried out GitKraken last night and was really impressed, but the free license is no good for me since I have a self hosted remote repo, and I'm not happy about things that have subscription licensing when it's not actually an online service.

[trim crane]

https://eldalin.com/2024/02/29/using-git-with-unreal-engine/

I just wrote this blog post to help people who have never used any kind of source control get started using Git for their Unreal projects. It only covers the bare minimum you need to know to make Git be useful for you as a solo developer who just wants to make sure you can recover from corruption caused by Editor crashes, or to revert back to an older version of your project if you make a bunch of changes that you later decide aren't working right.

Please let me know what you think: I welcome all feedback.

[wide raven]

Fork #1, SourceTree second best

[steep radish]

Appreciate you

[wide raven]

send feedback! Squeaky wheel get da grease

If you want, you can complain to me : ) ( just out of interest on what is lacking )

[pulsar parcel]

I'm getting a bit more mileage with Fork now. I do hate that whenever you use the CLI to run git commands, it doesn't refresh properly

It took me a while to actually find the button to filter the commits to just a specific branch, but I suppose that's more a skill issue

Oh and the project I'm working on has bugfix and feature branches for days, and the ability to filter that out in places such as the tracking window is non-existent

[wide raven]

Thank you both for insights

[trim crane]

Huh. I just noticed that Visual Studio's built in git tools are not bad. I may not need a standalone graphical client anyway

It waas good to learn about them, though

[reef oriole]

Hello Esan, this this is definitely an odd behavior! Would you be able to provide details in PM? What was the version "working" by re-enabling each time? Or did you contact support already?
Knowing the version of Unreal, how you build it, and how you open the project could help diagnose it as well

[hoary nova]

Hi there...sorry, should've mentioned that I got the problem sorted out. Signing out of UVC and back in got it going for me. The difficulty there, of course, is that the desktop client doesn't appear to have a logout button anywhere, so I deleted the client.conf file in the plastic4 directory and that did the trick.

FWIW, the engine version was 5.2, the built-in plugin that worked after disconnect/reconnect was v. 1.8, and the UVC plugin that wasn't working at all for me was v. 1.9.

[reef oriole]

OK, thanks! I was going to ask one more thing that might be related:
Is it possible that you have multiple credentials/multiple account, eg pro & personal on the same machine?
someone else reported something similar here:
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/unity-version-control-plastic-scm/reviews
and I think it's in fact already fixed for the next version!

[hoary nova]

Ah, that might be it, I do have multiple UVC accounts.

Anyway, thanks for getting back to me!

[reef oriole]

Nice! That's the explanation then, I fixed something related in using the proper credentials in January, and I'll release a newer version in the coming week if I can

[lyric root]

So we currently have a server hosted by Digital Ocean using perforce. My team wants to move our version control from perforce to Subversion. How can I connect Subversion with the project currently on our Digital Ocean server?

[pulsar parcel]

why would anyone be preferring subversion for anything?

[pulsar parcel]

I know you have strong opinions about P4, but it's way better than SVN that's for sure

[pulsar parcel]

I did have that thought, maybe they got to the 5 user limit with the free tier. Though with a small team I would still choose Git, but there's a bit of a learning curve for people that are more familiar with trunk-style development

[lyric root]

Hey - I just work here, I don't get to choose which version control solution the studio uses!

[stray furnace]

What's the standard practice for vcs on engine plugins? Basically I'm sick of having to copy across different machines

As painless as I find Perforce the majority of the time, it seems to absolutely hate when you set the workspace root outside the normal client perforce workspace directory you'd put your game repos in (i.e client mappings aren't correct so it can't find the files).

I suppose I could just add them as plugins for my project under the usual folder in the root but that seems to get pretty hairy in my experience.

I could also use git but the repo sizes would blow up I'd expect

Edit: probably gonna use the plugins folder - it's buggy as hell though and doesn't see the plugin exists in my project when I look - instead choosing the engine version of the plugin which is how I ended up on this silly zig zag of trying silly ways to solve the problem

[woven sluice]

putting plugins inside your project is absolutely not buggy in and of itself

for overriding engine plugins? it should just work ™️ ... yours isn't?

[young gorge]

Hi guys anyone use Perforce with UE5

" Your changelist submit attempt has been rejected because
one or more file paths opened for add vary only by case
from existing files/directory paths. Creating file/folders
that vary only in case from existing paths causes inconsistent
behavior across platforms with different case handling behaviors
(e.g. Windows, Linux/UNIX, Mac OSX). Thus, adding case-only
variations of existing paths is strongly discouraged."

[woven sluice]

hmm, i think this means you left the default "case sensitive" server setting as "on" when you set up your server. are you working on windows or linux?

[young gorge]

windows!

you got time for a call real quick? @woven sluice

[woven sluice]

you should read their docs on the topic and decide what you want to do (with windows developers/clients, 99% chance you want to make the server case-insensitive) https://portal.perforce.com/s/article/3081

[young gorge]

okay ill check it out!

ahh i see my case handling is sensitive @woven sluice

[woven sluice]

yeah... which makes sense if your developers are all using linux, because then everyone should be case sensitive. but with people on windows, this happens...

[young gorge]

just neehe is using windows as well

so should i made this insensitive?

he is *

[woven sluice]

best if everyone is on windows and it's insensitive IMO, and if any linux devs ever join up you can either fire them or let them figure out how the heck to make their crazy dev environment work

[young gorge]

can u pm me so i can show u something

[woven sluice]

nah just here

[young gorge]

okay haha

Server version: P4D/LINUX26X86_64/2023.1/2534247 (2023/12/15)

we are very new to perforce

thats our server veersion

so how do i make it insensitive?

[woven sluice]

i've never done this, i set it when i made my servers, this article is linked from the previous one https://portal.perforce.com/s/article/1200

[young gorge]

okay cooll thanks!

[woven sluice]

if your project is very young and if wahtever instructions are on this page are nuts, you could consider tearing it down and starting again of course (only saying this because i know when you're new to P4D and linux this is like barbie trying to read klingon)

[young gorge]

XD

yeah we are very very new to perforce as we were told by many devs that its the "best" but we did not realize there was this much to it lol

[hasty schooner]

If you are that new to it, and plan on growing beyond a single server architecture, I highly highly suggest that whoever is maintaining servers do themselves a favor and plan for optimization now, and make sure they document the setup. I'd use this. It will make maintenance so much easier. - https://swarm.workshop.perforce.com/view/guest/perforce_software/sdp/dev/doc/SDP_Guide.Unix.pdf

[slate pulsar]

Off the top of your head, is there a good way to remove past commits to save space while using github and Unreal? I'm using Git desktop, works well, I just don't know how to get rid of commits or general cleanup. Any keywords would be handy!

[slate pulsar]

Correct

I'm using LFS

That's what I was thinking too! Also, thanks for answering!

Yeah I'm paying around $20 for 200 gigs at the moment haha
Perforce would be good but in my previous experience, it was just as weird doing cleanup.

Is it possible to delete like 20 previous commits and keep the last 3? Would that be possible and or harmful?

Or just clone out like you suggested

That's pretty good!

Side note, I'm more of an artist and blueprint coder so this source control back end stuff freaks me out haha

Lol, I'm a solo dev so it's been good for me. When working in a team it's pretty bad though

Thanks for some key words, I have something to study now! Thanks again for answering!

[cursive yoke]

Hello guys, any idea how to fix it?

[zealous cargo]

Hi all. I am new to source control. What is the best option?

[wide raven]

VCS ROUNDUP

git : great for lone devs, zero budget, file locking with lfs. free only for public repo

svn : middle ground. has file locking

perforce : game industry standard, on the expensive side

plastic : hearing good things but is a bit niche, hard to find info

Free?
Everything (?) is free if you host your own server.

Good deals:
* Azure DevOps: $0, unlimited space

[wide raven]

@late thicket How would you rate the options based on price? I think github is free but only for public repos? I guess other free options always rely on you setting up your own repo server?

[foggy niche]

Guess who got Angry ™ after all?
https://miltoncandelero.github.io/unreal-git

(Yes, I didn't mention partial clone, it's for a future post where I compare default clone, shallow clone and partial clone, it's comming soon ™)

[foggy niche]

it ended up being ridiculusly slow 🥲

I need to rewrite it without using the git executable and directly handle the git files

[foggy niche]

I use plumbing commands as much as possible

but reading commits back to find the last one to modify code and mark that as build needed ended up being kinda bad 😅

(I probably should look into multithreading it 🤔 )

yeah, I had the list of every file I should target

well, the program is done, it's just slow 😅
https://github.com/miltoncandelero/Unreal-Game-Sync-Git

(also, you were right, I should have used avalonia 🥲 )

[unborn perch]

hi, i have issue with UnrealGameSync in Release Branc

[long mural]

why when i try to get latest from perforce, it misses files?

[wide raven]

That seems unusual. Are you sure the files in question are not checked out/ changed to read+write on your copy?

[stable tendon]

When you click on "Get Latest..." there's an option to force download and overwrite all files (in that workspace)... That'll fix the missing files.

Semiconductor is bigger than gaming, just saying 😉 ... Also, architecture, digital twins, media & entertainment (Aquaman 1&2, Flash, Game of Thrones, Ted Lasso, broadcasting, to name a few...). Don't forget about financial institutions!

[stable tendon]

Love the quote hahaha 🤣

[foggy niche]

I am not one for revenge... but petty revenge? oh boy, count me in 🤣

[stable tendon]

I'll be at GDC, hit me up at the booth if you're going! I'll hook you up with some Perforce swag.

[foggy niche]

Sadly, I won't 🥲
But thanks for the offer 🦾

[lyric root]

Using Plastic SCM in UE5.3, does anyone how do you change your user name when connecting to version control?

[polar mulch]

Hey! We setup UGS with perforce for our team but I noticed it always gets binaries even though they haven't changed. That is, UGS get binaries and unzips them even for data only submits, which is a bit cumbersome for some of our remote team members. Is there any way to prevent that? So that UGS only gets binaries for code submits? Maybe we missed a setting somewhere?

[silver token]

You wouldn’t want it to skip getting the binaries for non-code submits since there could be a binary change between where you are and what you’re syncing to.
But I would have expected p4 or UGS to at least know what binary CL you currently have and skip that if you didn’t need to update.

[polar mulch]

But that's the thing, it gets the same .zip with binaries over and over again even if they have not changed. In our case, they change only with code submits, thus why it would safe to assume that there are no binaries to get again unless there is a code changelist.

it already does check that the binaries are in perforce because it grays out the changelist until the binaries are generated and submitted. Which is weird then that it just downloads them over and over again even if there are no changes.

[silver token]

I’d have to see what ours is doing for non-engineers. I wouldn’t be surprised if the log says it’s syncing even when it’s not (because p4 says you already have that zip). And then it reunzips that file you already have. But I couldn’t say for sure.

[polar mulch]

you are probably right (that perforce is not downloading it again) but UGS is just doing all the "get latest, unzip" process, which takes a while (as opposed to an instant/few seconds without UGS)

[devout walrus]

Hey if using perforce what's the typical way of moving files to another folder? I tried doing it in unreal and submitting the changes but it didn't like that. Either that or I missed a step. Even tried fixing redirectors.

[merry verge]

For assets, move them inside unreal. This will leave behind redirectors.
For anything else, either move them via P4V's move operation or with whatever perforce integration you have for whatever tool you use to edit those files.

[devout walrus]

What about world partition files?

Fall under asset I imagine

[wide raven]

P.S: remember to fix up redirectors, better to clean those out

[pulsar parcel]

Maybe I was wrong about Fork being the best Git client because its interactive rebase feature is broken

If you take longer than 5 minutes to make your selections, the rebase window just closes itself without prompting, and will perform a rebase non-interactively

[pulsar parcel]

In what situation are you moving WP files?

[devout walrus]

Moved the maps in unreal then things seemed to break perforce side

Was just attempting to keep things together in that project is all. Will probably have to go through and just revert some things.

[pulsar parcel]

break in what way? it would just p4 add the files in the new location and p4 edit the old ones with the redirector

[devout walrus]

Yeah I figured but now it can't find the files

Was connected to source control at the time as well

Files still exist in depot

Just not workspace

[pulsar parcel]

well if they exist in the depot view that means you must have submitted them at some point

unless you mean the other way round

[devout walrus]

Likely, i'll just have to follow directories and fix missing links.

[pseudo granite]

any ideas?

[rare citrus]

I am trying to reconcile offline work in a massive repo (the entire UE5 folder in our Perforce) and it appears that P4V crashed when I let it run overnight 😭 Is the commandline more stable? I've tried running reconcile on commandline and it just hangs forever even when I limit the scope to a small folder so I'm not sure its even working...

I've been trying to do reconcile via P4V GUI folder by folder, but there's a few files that need to be reconciled in the root folder...

[wide raven]

I use P4V reconcile pretty regularly on both folders and whole game project ( about 2Gb ) but indeed the whole of UE5 may be too big a piece all at once

[rare citrus]

the entire UE5 is only 2.39 GB on disk but its 160k files

[rare citrus]

when you reconcile a 2gb project, how many files is it, and how long does it take you?

[wide raven]

a lot : ) and maybe an hour or so, with a pretty modern machine though

[rare citrus]

i've got an i9-12900K and 64gb RAM, I would consider my machine fairly modern 😂

[wide raven]

that's a pretty slim build of the engine : O

[rare citrus]

this isn't built

just the code grabbed directly from Github

[wide raven]

ahh

[rare citrus]

we're upgrading engine versions, I just need to create a diff history between 5.0 and 5.3 by overwriting the source code with Reconcile

[wide raven]

yeah, I don't see why that should fail, it seems reasonable

[rare citrus]

Hmm, maybe our strict authentication timeout kicked me out overnight or something

i think we require credentials every 12 hours or something insane

[wide raven]

With good PC I can't see that taking more than an hour or two still... though granted it's probably a lot more separate files, at least 1 GB of our project is big hunks of graphics and audio

yeah, our project is on 20k+ individual files, even including intermediate stuff

I guess you could just brute force Reverting or Force Get Latest on the root files, depending on what your base point is?

[rare citrus]

We're following this doc: https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.27/en-US/ProgrammingAndScripting/ProgrammingWithCPP/DownloadingSourceCode/UpdatingSourceCode/

[wide raven]

I see I see

[woven sluice]

PSA for slightly relevant channel, if you use teamcity update it NOW. major vulnerability. I just lost my machine entirely because my last update I ran was mid February

[stray furnace]

I'm using the cloud version, so presumably it's not as dire for me, but still not impressed with how they handled that for the self hosters

Though apparently Rapid 7 also released a disclosure on the exploits before Teamcity fixed it ( depending on who you believe, as a fuck you presumably because they couldn't come to an agreement) which was also naughty

[stray furnace]

It's time to stop using Java (half joking)

[serene agate]

Is anyone familiar with index.lock files on git?

Everytime I try to merge the master branch into my own branch it keeps giving me this error pop

I've tried many ways of getting rid of the lock file

and whenever I do remove it and try to merge again it comes back without fail

I've tried to find git bash commands for this issue but have had no luck

[stable tendon]

Sorry to hear about your crash :/... if it's reproducible, let us know! But yes, the CLI would probably be better for long running commands.

[rare citrus]

My guess is that my authentication credentials expired overnight (we have strict re-auth every 12 hours for all users on my team) but I'll let you know if it happens again!

[stable tendon]

Yup, that'll happen. P4V does reconnect for network drops, but creds are a different ballgame. With the CLI, you can try upping the threads. https://www.perforce.com/manuals/p4sag/Content/P4SAG/performance.parallel_processing.html

[edgy fiber]

Curious...did you ever track this down?

[shut canyon]

Can you tell me how to run this tool? I installed Golang, run a go build in the project folder and then go run main.go but nothing happened.

[quaint obsidian]

should use rebase not merge

[foggy niche]

Check the pinned messages, I wrote a whole post about this

[foggy niche]

If you just need a build, there is one in the releasea

If you want to build it, you need a c compiler to build the GL gui framework

Check the fyne page for the instructions on that 🤔

[serene agate]

Rebase?

[serene agate]

Bet I'll give it a look

thank youu

Does Rebase just do the same thing as merging?

[shut canyon]

I think I'm having problems because my company blocks the application from running 🙄 Some sort of hate for Go

[shut canyon]

I managed to make it work! It looks great. I'm a bit bummed we still have to wait for the build features as that's was the most useful thing for us 😅

[hasty schooner]

I have a coworker who submitted a massive CL (10k+ files) and UE crashed trying to update the content browser. P4 sees the submitted CL properly, but the content browser still shows the files as waiting for submission. Any ideas?

[woven sluice]

Use p4v?...

Not sure if I understand the situation/problem

[hasty schooner]

It's a UE issue where it crashed during submission and doesn't update the UE Source Control to accurately reflect that the files were submitted.

[faint cairn]

:P Can I quickly ask why that statement was made, giving you used Go + fyne based on the repo readme? fwiw you can answer me in DM to not spam the channel.

[frail condor]

If I have a file named "Dude_AnimBP"
and I renamed it as "Dude_AnimBPold"
and created a new one called "Dude_AnimBP" (same name than original name)
and I replaced all the pointers of the previous file to the new one

Should I make at least ONE submit to my Perforce stream WITH Redirectors,
so there are no conflicts with other workspaces/users and streams?

[faint cairn]

I would always suggest to

1. Rename/Move/Delete
2. Cleanup Redirectors
3. Submit
4. Create new file with the original name

[frail condor]

makes sense, I suppouse that if another user in another stream doesnt touch that file, when merging it will be fine accepting source over target

thx

[serene agate]

I read the whole doc that is pinned and it actually does explain a shit ton

I am glad I read it, it clears up so much

[frail condor]

which one, perforce, git?

[serene agate]

Git

[serene agate]

This one right here

It explained so much

I am going to try and not use github desktop as much but I am not sure if my team will be able to do the same

considering our school drilled it into our brains to use Github desktop

I would've much rather them showed us the real ins and outs of git

[serene agate]

@foggy niche Sorry for the ping but I have a quick question relating to git, on my github desktop it says I have 5 commits from the master branch that are not on my own branch but when I rebase into my branch from the master it says its up to date

and When I check on fork it says it is up to date as well

I am just curious why this is lol

[foggy niche]

does it say "ahead" or "behind"?

oh, ghd 🤔
is the arrow up or down?

😅

[serene agate]

Ahh one sec had to restart my computer since my discord was buggin out😅

[serene agate]

This is all it says😅

But when I select rebase it's fine

[foggy niche]

run
git diff --name-only HEAD...origin/master
and show me 😅
I don't need the filenames, I just need what it will say at the beginning

it will say ahead or behind

or up to date 😅

[serene agate]

Bet

One sec

[foggy niche]

HEAD is "where you are now"
origin/master is "what is uploaded right now"
... (three dots) is "tell me how their commits are different"

[foggy niche]

(i think, I kinda riffed from memory)

[serene agate]

So this checks what is uplaoded to the master branch correct?

[foggy niche]

ok, that was not the command I wanted 😅

lemme google which one I need 😅

oh, the dog 🤦

[serene agate]

No worries

[foggy niche]

git log --all --decorate --oneline --graph HEAD...origin/master

[serene agate]

I need to make a text file or doc with all the git commands it's getting hard to remember them all lol

[foggy niche]

All Decorate Oneline Graph

A DOG

[serene agate]

OH

That's clever lmao

[foggy niche]

I wish it were my invention 😛

[serene agate]

Hmmm

This is a similar view as to what fork shows me lol

[foggy niche]

I... am not seeing HEAD in that graph 😐
I see origin/HEAD but not... HEAD (nor Carlos for that matter)🤔

just git status

maybe we are time traveling?

[serene agate]

Possibly...

Looks like I am working on my branch

is there a particular command that checks to see if I am up to date with the master?

I found one

'git status -uno'

Up to date with my own branch 😅

[foggy niche]

yeah, origin/Carlos is the uploaded version of your local branch

but the git log doesn't show origin/Carlos 😐

let's try be very specific 🤔

git log --all --decorate --oneline --graph origin/carlos...origin/master

[serene agate]

Bet

Hmmmm

Seems like it shows the same info

I don't want to merge it into my branch using ghd since everytime I do it gives me a lock error

And it does not actually merge as far as I know when I fix the issue

[foggy niche]

git rebase master carlos should put carlos on par of master 🤔

[serene agate]

So it looks like according the the bash window I am up to date

but now Ghd says I need to publish my branch and push the changes

[foggy niche]

run this now
git log --all --decorate --oneline --graph
I want to see the graph one last time

[serene agate]

This is more of an advice question I just read your doc today and would you recommend to stop using ghd even tho I've already been working with it on this current project?

[serene agate]

And alrighty

Should I push the to origin first on the ghd before running the command?

[foggy niche]

you can stop using it whenever you want. It doesn't have anything on your project, no configs, no hooks, nothing 😅

[foggy niche]

nah, for some reason github desktop says that origin/Carlos is not a thing... not sure why 🤔

[serene agate]

Makes sense lol

[serene agate]

So strnage

strange*

Seems to be the same graph

The recent parts at least

[foggy niche]

Carlos is up to date with master 🥹
we did it!

git push to update origin/carlos

and you are done

[serene agate]

Yesssss!

Sorry to ask but where does it say that it is up to date?

I might just be blind

[foggy niche]

you are exactly like master is
nothing on your side to add,
nothing on master that you dont have.

oh, where

[serene agate]

Ohhhhhhh

Then Hell yeah

[foggy niche]

HEAD->carlos means "head is at carlos"
and it's in the same line as master which means it's at the same point in history

[serene agate]

OHHHH

So it's thatt text pointer stuff that was talked about in the dock

the address is pointing to the same dat

data

so they are updated

I am fully updated hell yes

Thank you so much @foggy niche I appreciate all the help

These past few days I've learned so damn much

From everyone here lol

And the doc cleared up so much

One more question sorry to be such a bother but should my teammates who still are using ghd rebase on their end instead of merging?

[foggy niche]

Without rebase you get the eeeeviiiiill merge commit and that will give that file is locked errors 😅

With rebase they won't get that error 😅

[serene agate]

yeahhhhh Ima tell them to rebase from now on 🤣

We've been having eeevilll merge commits all damn week

[foggy niche]

cualquier cosa, avisá

[serene agate]

Claro que si

Muchisimo gracias por la ayuda

Me rescataste

[rare citrus]

Does anyone know why Perforce sometimes doesn't branch all of the files in a folder / subfolder hierarchy?

Using P4V, right click a folder in a depot, branch... Later I find out that some of the subfolders didn't get branched

This is a big problem when branching to upgrade engine versions

This is after branching vs the source of the branch. There's obviously a bunch of files missing

Navigated to Content/Items in P4V, branched, and now its branching the missing 1927 files... Previously, I branched the Content/ folder, so I would have expected Content/Items to be branched too 😐

[pulsar parcel]

Are you not using streams?

[rare citrus]

We are using streams

I'm trying to get files from Main stream into MergeTest stream

[pulsar parcel]

well when you create a stream, don't you populate? but I'd usually use merge/integrate for bringing files across, or copy if it's just overwriting everything

[rare citrus]

I didn't populate when I created the stream, becaues its 180k files and Perforce kept crashing

[pulsar parcel]

populate is usually a fast operation that doesn't run locally anyway

[pulsar parcel]

and you can run p4 populate from the CLI

[rare citrus]

right click -> branch in P4V seems to be calling the populate command

which is why I haven't bothered to try the CLI

[pulsar parcel]

a populate is usually the entire stream contents

[rare citrus]

Well, its missed about 20k files somehow

I just tried clicking Merge / Integrate and it found those 20k files so maybe its solved now 🤷

it needs to resolve the changes first, and I think when I tried that yesterday it just froze the server. We upgraded server hardware overnight so maybe it'll work now

[pulsar parcel]

well a quick p4 populate //project/main/... //project/targetstreamname/... after stream creation should work fine, and it has done for me in the past without any randomly disappearing files

[serene agate]

@foggy niche sorry to be a bother but whats the best way to merge my changes on my branch onto the main branch? I believe that I have rebased to the master branch but I don't see the change on the master

so I feel like I misunderstood some of the steps 😅

[foggy niche]

if you rebased successfully, then your branch is "ahead" of master. That means, it has changes that master doesn't have but you have all the changes master has.

You can just merge your branch into master, it should do a fast forward

[serene agate]

Ohhh okayy

So the second line implies that it is ahead of the master branch

Finally pushed it fuck yeah

[serene agate]

I thought I did it right but my teamates are having issues

They can't seem to pull

I am trying to revert my change and it seems that I did do it but it won't allow them to pull the revert change still

[serene agate]

I am trying to fix it on their end by trying to guide them on how to use git bash

[serene agate]

For real

this has been my first game jam but it has honestly been painful

I've learned a lot which is great but God I've been hating every second of it

Yeah I am going to try and stop using GHD entirely

I've been trying to familiarize myself with commands on git as well as fork

I have been doing that 😅

Just with my recent merge I did with the master branch somehow it only did it locally?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around what happened, I fixed the issue eventually but I still don't know what exactly happened

[twilit valve]

Hello, 👋

I have a question about Perforce in the cloud for anyone who's familiar with Perforce and DigitalOcean.

I'm considering moving our Perforce depot from a local machine in our office to DigitalOcean. Is it possible to do this while preserving our history? I've read a bit about moving a depot to another machine but nothing about DigitalOcean in particular.

Any advice would be appreciated. 🙂

Cheers.

[pulsar parcel]

I'm not sure what would be DigitalOcean-specific though? If you've taken a full backup of your on-prem server, wouldn't you just restore that backup onto your cloud server instead?

[twilit valve]

That's the basic process then? Just restore a backup to DigitalOcean, and then point all the workspaces to that new IP address?

[frail condor]

Is Perforce folder with your workspaces meant to be in C:/ ? "C:/Perforce/My_Workspace"
it makes the folder "read only"
is working well, but I have a project that always try to open a AnimBP that I already deleted and I wonder if is because that

[pulsar parcel]

I don't know what you're asking exactly. Workspaces can be located anywhere, files not checked out are generally marked read-only unless their filetype in the depot is +w. Use the source control integration in the engine, and the file will be marked for delete if you delete it from the CB

[frail condor]

thx I will into that

[haughty yoke]

for 2-4 developers using unreal, what would be the best source control and what would a remote server for it need? hardware wise?

building a space game with all developers being "part time" at most

i can store extended backups at home, but my home wifi is limited to 25Mbps

[serene agate]

Me personally I’d recommend azure

It’s free and you get lots of storage

Perforce has always been great for me at least when it’s set up correctly, and git seems to be good too

Try to avoid GitHub desktop I’ve had only problems with it so far

[valid vine]

could someone provide me the rundown or basics of how to use azure devops with unreal? Ive only ever used github before. Id love any information for the basics or how to get started

[valid vine]

Should I instead go with perforce?

This shit is so confusing, so perforce is the front end but you still need somewhere to host the files. Is that correct?

As cheap as possible. I dont mind paying, I just want to understand what I am in for

I see helixcore is free for up to 5 collaborators

so it would just need a hosting "backend" correct? Like azure

This is alot at once so I am just trying to wrap my head around it as opposed to a simple git + lfs commit

Its not but I like the idea of learning perforce and all that since its so widely used among studios

[stray furnace]

Never had a good experience with git and unreal engine so went with the gold standard and never looked back

Perforce isn't that hard to figure out IMHO, it's just annoying sometimes like any other vcs

Recommend the Digital Ocean instance since they setup some basic database backup schedules in cron jobs for you (which you can then use to backup elsewhere)

[valid vine]

Have you ever used azure with perforce?

[merry verge]

Unless you are paying for one of the two managed perforce hosting options you are doing all of the server administration yourself. Whether that's on azure, DO, AWS, or whatever else there is little to no difference aside from which service's control panel you use to create a virtual machine.

And pricing of course.

[valid vine]

I see, so I will be managing a virtual machine to deal with the hosting, Interesting. I will need to look more into it. What kind of admin stuff do you mean? I literally have 0 experience with all of this stuff but I feel like I am about to gain a whole boat load (and lose a few hairs)

[merry verge]

I mean that I hope you're up for learning how to administrate a linux system on command line.

[valid vine]

I am, I have no issue doing challenging things, its how we learn, I will look around and see what I can find. Thank you for clearing it up a little

[stray furnace]

No, I just use Teamcity cloud (which has really good perforce integration) and never looked back after setting up all the unreal specific build automated packaging and testing (which took the majority of the time).

Wherever you do it though ci/cd is a must.

I roll my eyes when I still see people say not to bother for game development

[neon patrol]

Hello,

I am looking to backport a fix for Niagara Audio Spectrum to UE 5.2 (source).
https://issues.unrealengine.com/issue/UE-152571
https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/commit/ed8e30a33376c0bb77888a293432ab848edea2eb

I tried to apply the fix manually, but I'm not sure about the right procedure after saving the updated scripts. Simply trying to open the project after saving, fails.
I tried to rebuild the Niagara plugin using RunUAT.bat, which failed, but once again not sure if this applies here.

My question is, do I have to rebuild the entire engine, just the project configurations, just the plugin, or is it enough to do a full rebuild inside the editor when packaging, rather than rebuilding in VS?

[neon patrol]

Thanks for replying. Packaging returns an unknown error, but I will look into that.

[serene agate]

Does anyone have any advice on how to work with teams on Unreal while using git?

I don't ever want to use github desktop ever again

but I want to be able to have my teammates do the same I just am not sure how I'd go about getting them to push and pull

Ideally I'd want for them to learn git and push and pull that way but I am curious if there is a good way for multipl people to work on git

If anyone has any advice it'd be much appreciated

[woven sluice]

i think everyone thought before that you were aware that GitHub Desktop is just a button panel, and there are other button panels you can use to run git instead of it... but this message makes it sound like maybe not. so, have you tried any of the other hundred git clients? Git-Fork, GitKraken, SmartGit, SourceTree, etc?

GitHub is a git service provider, but there are others. search this chat for Azure Devops if you don't like GitHub.
search for other git clients (aka git UI's) if you don't like GitHub Desktop.

[rose barn]

i followed the pinned instructions but feel they might be more setup for single pc use? I did the server install on another pc, then setup workspace on my personal pc. the two are not syncing: Hoping I just missed a step but this is the video ive been following

https://www.perforce.com/video-tutorials/vcs/start-collaborating-unreal-engine-and-helix-core

[pulsar parcel]

Perforce is supposed to have a separate client and server, so what part (give details) are you struggling with when it comes to syncing?

[rose barn]

i have to headout to an appointment here shortly but will answer back when i stop driving. I have installed the helix core and using p4admin on my server. then i go on my personal pc and setup the p4client i believe this is correct? Then when I go to create a workspace I should be referencing the server IP or hostname:1666 ?

I've tried this, loaded up a test project on my personal pc, but it doesnt reflect any of this on the server p4admin

just enabled 1666 and im guessing that might have been my problem. playing around with this now

[pulsar parcel]

You connect to a server, so you enter the server IP

[rose barn]

How’s workstation name if ip isn’t static

[pulsar parcel]

I'm not sure why you wouldn't make it static either through networking settings or DHCP but yes, you can use hostnames

[flint veldt]

Hey there. I'm new to UE5's source control. I'm setting up a Git repository. I have these 3 installed. How do I set up and use Unreal's Revison Control?

[wide raven]

Starting point is documentation ( select your engine version first ) https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/collaboration-and-version-control-in-unreal-engine?application_version=5.3

For some reason they don't have a git section but the general procedure is probably mostly similar

[flint veldt]

Wow. So it turns out that I already had everything set up. All I had to do was click, "initialize project with git" and then accept settings... that was really intuitive and easy.

[analog lodge]

Heya,
as 5.4 just came out in preivew and has a few features I might actually want real soon, I was thinking if I should finally try and set up a branching system.

I´m just thinking out loud here, but looking for tips/advice.

Background
We ONLY do linear content productions using Unreal, so no game stuff.
We have set up a constantly evolving MasterTemplate we import or import+ into all our projects.
All projects are set up as mainline streams in a stream depot (one depot per year, exception multi-episode TV shows that have their own depot).
(We use Perforce btw)

So, what I´d need is just ONE branch of the mastertemplate depot, right?
And then any future projects that should use the branched 5.4 version of the mastertemplate would just get pointed to import from there.

So far I´m pretty clear.

Now the foggy part:

1. Lets say I work in the 5.4 branch, adding control rig components for example.
   As long as the mainline stream is still on 5.3, I cannot push back anything up from the 5.4 branch, that is NOT in 5.4 (like the new control rig stuff or anything using runtime nanite tesselation), correct?
   But what if I just add some textures or skeletal meshes, while experimenting? Could I savely push THOSE back or should I still rather add these elements in the 5.3 branch and ONLY add features in the 5.4 branch that I´m sure I won´t have to access in the 5.3 main stream?

2. Once 5.4 is out preview and I can update the main stream...Can I then just savely merge everything I added in the 5.4 preview branch or are there things to consider?

I also really need a cheat sheet about which assets are binary and which are code based, so I know where I can actually use diff/merge stuff which I´ve never used before.
But now I´m starting to build some blueprints too or stuff like the control rigs...

Yeah, I´m not using the right terminology, but I think I explained what I meant.

You can´t diff textures or skeletal meshes, but can you diff blueprints?
So, if I work on a blueprint in the 5.4 branch, can I diff back changes back into the master that is still in 5.3, if necessary?

Don´t really know if diffing makes sense anyways for our purposes.

This is how I would set up the 5.4 branch.
Not sure wether I need to check the branch checkbox...is that something I could still change later on?

Using Perforce btw...:)

[rose barn]

as a client , do i need both or just the p4?

[rose barn]

ty

[fiery pelican]

I'm getting an error in UE5 when trying to submit a changelist to source, but it's not giving me much to go on. Wondering if anyone is familiar with it. It just says "Command: CheckIn, Error" open for read: file path : The file name, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect." This seems to be happening on a bunch of uassets, they're button textures.

[light saddle]

Anyone know how to deal with uncontrolled changelist? I realize it contains assets (umap and uassets) that were last saved in august of last year, but they were deleted and don't exist in my project anymore.

[light saddle]

do the textures or the folder path have special characters such as spaces ?!%& etc in them?

[fiery pelican]

Yes they did! That seemed to be the issue.

[light saddle]

good to know 🙂

[fiery pelican]

ah! sorry, wrong channel!

[low gust]

I am havingg issues changing the game icon. some times it orks some other doesn't. I suspect it has something to do with perforce, but I am not sure about this. some times it displays a message sayin it can't mark the file for add, but sometimes it works when I package the project and some other it doesn't.

does this happens to anyone too? and how did you resolved it?

[solemn forge]

Is it possible yo use helix core while having multiple people work on a project in unreal engines 5 multi-user grouping?

[analog lodge]

Dumb question:
I just branched our master template project to try out 5.4 preview, but I think it requires some stuff from the starter content pack and that wasn´t enabled in the master template project and now I got some issues because some stuff couldn´t be created, as its not in the source controlled depot...
How can I manually add the starter content pack to the project, do I need to first set up the mappings for it in my stream?

Pls ping when replying!

[ornate matrix]

Hello,
What folders in the project should be ignored on version control ? (e.i: Saved)

Thanks

Im just rebooting a perforce local server to my project

Last time my server couldn't allow any push because of content in saved folder

[pulsar parcel]

There shouldn't be any content in Saved

Also ignoring Build is a bit of a meme, depending on the project anyway. It should be something like Build/FileOpenOrder or whatever it is

[ornate matrix]

The p4v is super slow

Any reasons ?

[pulsar parcel]

doing what?

[ornate matrix]

opening windows and stuff

or for eg, trying to create a workspace

[haughty yoke]

ok so i somehow mistakenly setup azure years ago, so the free year of storage and such is gone, is there another alternative, the base asset size is like 68gb and most "free" storage options stop at like 15-30gb

[patent dagger]

Anyone know if those 20 workspace are per person or for all the users together?

[pulsar parcel]

total

[pulsar parcel]

can't relate unfortunately

[patent dagger]

thanks.

[ornate matrix]

this prompt is kinda confusing me

if i add files, will it copy them to my workspace folder ?

[patent dagger]

For the first push you want to add your whole project to your workspace folder.

And select and add.

@ornate matrix

[ornate matrix]

should i add the projet folder, or the folders with the .uproject ?

[patent dagger]

one sec

click that.

create new

[ornate matrix]

yep thats what is just did

[patent dagger]

Then you put your whole project in Test.

[ornate matrix]

so, the main folder, or the folders

[patent dagger]

Which ever you prefer.

[ornate matrix]

okay

[patent dagger]

ANd make sure your mappings are similar to the one i posted.

On my end i always have to delete a few lines and make sure that is first read your depot and then your workspace.

[ornate matrix]

what is a workspace mapping ?

[patent dagger]

//blabla_depot/... //Test/...

[ornate matrix]

i got this

[patent dagger]

blabla is the depot and Test is the workspace.

[ornate matrix]

its called "view"

[patent dagger]

that looks fine.

[ornate matrix]

and its like this here

[patent dagger]

yes, next to it are your worksapces.

The depot is the server, the Workspaces are the folder that link to one of the deopts on the server.

[ornate matrix]

yes i understood that

[patent dagger]

You work from the workspace folder.

It looks fine.

If you don't get any messages like: can't clobber or mappings something, you know your mappings are correct.

[ornate matrix]

ok great

the p4ignore works to

idk how i get some issues first time

[patent dagger]

that's good.

[ornate matrix]

if i understoof correctly, i want to remove files or folders, i should do it with "mark as remove", instead of deleting in the file explorer ?

[patent dagger]

Yes.

[ornate matrix]

last time i got some "cant open ..." errors

ok ty

[patent dagger]

You go either UE or do it via your workspace.

because otehrwise the server wouldn't know and you get conflicts.

[ornate matrix]

and if i want to remove the files on the workspace to ?

how do i do this

doing "mark as remove" removes the files on depot

[patent dagger]

So its advised to never delete stuff from your workspace root folder manually or make your files writable.

[ornate matrix]

well i did some tests and i want to make it clean again

[patent dagger]

unless you absolutely have to, but then you should be really familiar with perforce.

You can, just delete both, but depending how you do it, you need server acces to obbliderate the depot.

you can also just mark the whole project for deletion and whipe the server that way.

[ornate matrix]

what is a "uncontrolled changelist" ?

how can i make it to a regular changelist and submit it

[patent dagger]

No idea, but here is a cheat sheet which might help.

[ornate matrix]

i think its more a UE thing than perforce
its all the stuff that i made since the creation of the project

[merry verge]

uncontrolled changes are a UE thing

it's just unreal's way of tracking files you don't want to tell perforce about

[ornate matrix]

well they are in Content, they are in my perforce depot

[merry verge]

for example, if you want to mess with some random files without checking them out and locking someone else out from modifying them

[merry verge]

yes but you haven't added them to perforce. Or you have modified them and not checked them out from perforce.

perforce has no idea what you've done with those files.

[ornate matrix]

i just setup the depot and linked the project to it

how can i submit them ? UE doesnt give a option to do so

[merry verge]

you have to move them to a real changelist

[ornate matrix]

how

i tried

[merry verge]

...drag them to another changelist

or right click > move to changelist

[ornate matrix]

already tried

no such option

[merry verge]

sounds like you haven't linked unreal to perforce

[ornate matrix]

i am

i can do chanegs and submit them

but i still have this uncontrolled changelist

[merry verge]

so again: drag the files into a real (not uncontrolled) changelist

if you don't have a changelist, make one.

[ornate matrix]

you mean like that ?

when i drag and drop there is a quick popup that doesnt let me the time to read but nothing happens

[merry verge]

alright. Close unreal, open up p4v, right click your content folder > reconcile offline work (this can take a while depending on the number of files in that folder)

those files are in a weird state where unreal can't seem to add or check them out

[merry verge]

Sounds like unreal is hallucinating some uncontrolled files. It happens sometimes ¯_(ツ)_/¯

you can go through the list and just make sure those files exist in perforce. Check them out manually and submit if you really want to be sure.

[ornate matrix]

i already checked them out and submit

[merry verge]

then just ignore it

[ornate matrix]

they still stay in the uncontrolled checklist

[ornate matrix]

yeah ig its the only option

i just wanted to be sure its not going to be something bad later on

ty for helping

[woven sluice]

sidenote: looks like you're using a classic depot. you might want to learn about streams depots. you don't have to use streams depots but i would propose that most people prefer them after they learn how to use them instead.

[ornate matrix]

i'll do some research about them, ty

[pulsar parcel]

how are people still making classic depots

[ornate matrix]

im only using it for local stuff

[pulsar parcel]

even still, branching is a full deep copy

[olive rock]

Im getting the classic: SSL connect to ssl:MyIpHere:1666 failed .
Remove SSL protocol prefix from P4PORT or fix the TLS settings.

Does anyone have any suggestions for this? The worst part is sometimes it'll work and then other times it wont

[solemn forge]

Is it possible to use helix core while having multiple people work on a project in unreal engines 5 multi-user grouping?

[pulsar parcel]

I can't really say anything helpful since the clues are in the message, unless there's more to this story

[ancient sun]

Does anyone know how to safely shrink the .Git folder? It's taking more space than the project itself I believe. I don't mind if I have to delete commit history as the latest builds are all I need right now.

[olive rock]

I just tried fixing the tls settings, but it never worked. I ended up just giving up on ssl

[analog lodge]

Ok, so, I branched our mastertemplate stream depot in perforce, that we import from into all our projects, so I could try out the new Unreal 5.4 features.
I´m also considering to create another branch to enable substrate and play around with that.

I´ve never done this before and I´m still a bit foggy around how to deal with updating them...
I obviously cannot update anything from the 5.4 or substrate branch back into the mainline, at least not until I decide to also upgrade that to 5.4 or substrate.

But what about the other way around?

Do I simply "get all" in the dev stream for 5.4, if I keep adding things in the mainline?

[ornate matrix]

is there any cloud hosting services than I can use with perforce that are free or have low pricing ?
i am a solo dev and my project is less than 30gb

is perforce only compatible with specifics hosting services, or can I host it on anything ? (for e.g: a Hostinger VPS)

[ornate matrix]

because it doesnt look like it

[pulsar parcel]

How doesn't it look like it?

The DigitalOcean instructions are going to be pretty similar to what you would do with most VPS providers

[ancient sun]

All this sounds confusing to me haha, I do commit to a repo that's held online so that others can ofc pull from it. Issue is my git folder is huge when I don't believe it should be especially since I deleted a bunch of large assets in the project I don't need. I don't what what here can be deleted safely as I dont know what the result of it would be.

[ornate matrix]

well, there isnt explicitly a page talking about doing a setup on a "custom" machine

[ornate matrix]

okay ty, i'll see on mine

[pulsar parcel]

It has instructions for on premises too, which is about as custom as you're going to get

[ornate matrix]

mb, english isnt my main language so i misunderstood "on premises"

now i need to find out what specs the server needs

[dense ginkgo]

Hi, I accidentally started p4v before connected my external drive which has the workspace on it and it gave me an error that there was no user or whatever valid so I shut down my pc, connected the harddrive, then rebooted. Now I can't start and only get this error Partner exited unexpectedly (edit: reposting image below with server name blocked):

Anyone know how to resolve this?

p4 info, p4 clean, p4 revert, p4 logout, all give me this

[pulsar parcel]

If all commands give you this then it might be an issue on the server

the server log will typically tell you what's up

in addition, I would make sure your environment variables are set correctly (see p4 set)

[dense ginkgo]

i typed p4 set and idk what any of that means but it looks right to me

and given i've been using the server constantly all week with no issue i dont see why they wouldnt be

[dense ginkgo]

i contacted the server admin to see if there's something they can do on their end

thanks

[pulsar parcel]

well if you don't know what you're looking at with p4 set, how do you know it's correct?

[dense ginkgo]

im guessing

actually one of them im unsure about. what should p4client actually =? the workspace name?

[pulsar parcel]

p4client is usually the workspace name but it doesn't have to be set

[dense ginkgo]

ok it wasn't set, and i set it to the workspace name in an effort to fix the error and it didn't do anything.

so by idk what im looking at i meant i don't know how one of these being wrong in some possible way would result in that error, or know how to identify that something is wrong and would result in this error, and if i did know that, i also don't know how to rectify the error (or rather i would know how, if i knew how to identify a mistake)

i shall leave it up to the server admin 😛

thanks for helping

[pulsar parcel]

a few people online remarked if p4editor is set but invalid it can cause issues with p4 commands that open a text editor with that error message

[dense ginkgo]

would notepad.exe be invalid for some reason?

[pulsar parcel]

probably not

but p4 info wouldn't require it anyway

[woven sluice]

something in between a toaster and a microwave should do for most small indie projects

[ornate matrix]

xD

for real, is there specs ?
this will decide it i host it in my home on a small machine or in a third party VPS

like, is 1vCore and 2gb ram enough ? (i have no idea what Helix Core needs)

[rose barn]

is it recommended to use the same login if 2 people are working the same project?

or , how do we see each others files etc (perforce)

[woven sluice]

people used to run them on raspberry pi's before helix stopped ARM support. 1 core, 1 gb ram is plenty for just a few guys doing frequent work; most VPS services let you upgrade later if you grow a bit

IIRC you might need more RAM if you have hundreds of thousands of files

[ornate matrix]

okay thanks

i wanted to host on a rasberry but i thought it will not be enough

now i need to find docs to setup on rasberry, because on the offcial docs its only talking about use the exe

[woven sluice]

you can't run it on a raspberry. well, you can, but you'll have to use a 5 to 10 year old server version

[ornate matrix]

sad me

then i guess i'll go back to VPS services

are the specs i mentioned above good then ?
i'll be working solo on this project
i just want tome backup placed somewhere else than my PC, and i work from 2 places

[chrome badge]

So I think I broke my local perforce a bit

anyone who could help me I would greatly appreciate.

I keep getting this error when I try to submit

warning: cannot submit from non-stream client

I tried to google it and it suggested that maybe my workplace isn't linked to the stream

so I go to try and make sure it's there and it's blank under stream but when I press browse it doesn't find the stream

but I can very clearly see the stream in the depot

and I know it's on my disk

anyone ever face this?

I can't even select it when making a new workspace

And it doesn't show up when I try to set it on an existing workspace just stays blank.

[inner creek]

If anyone is ever working on trying to get their .gitignore to ignore all the generated stuff in AdvancedSessions plugin, but to still include the original files from the plugin itself, I have an 860 line .gitignore file for you

It took me more time than I care to admit to solve, but I think it works now

You must ignore every directory’s contents BUT must also not ignore the directories themselves and separately not ignore the original files. It's nuts

[woven sluice]

that's brutal does it show up in the New Workspace dialog's depot tree list if you use Tree view instead of Text view?

and/or what if you type it in manually into the Stream: field (//streamsDepot/mainline)

[chrome badge]

Nope doesn't show at all

oh actually it did show but it says no such stream when selecting it

[woven sluice]

sounds worrisome to me. like corruption. i've never encountered this specifically before

[chrome badge]

hmm

[woven sluice]

will it be bad for you to abandon that stream and make a new one?

[chrome badge]

thankfully I have non perforce backups on this project

I think i'll try that

The changes exist on my workplace so maybe I can save all the current stuff by makign the stream using a copy of that

[woven sluice]

i'm only a "light" game dev but yeah been using streams for like 5 years, never seen one go kaput like that, super weird

yeah i would probably cut ties with that server depot entirely if you could. just make a new streams depot, new mainline, copy your current working into it

[chrome badge]

I think its my own doing

a while ago i was trying to see if I could change the disk the stream is stored on

but I think I didn't understand the method I was trying to use

probably broke then

[wide raven]

"blows a leg off" : E

[chrome badge]

I havn't touched this project in a bit

[woven sluice]

maybe. normally i'd think if it worked once after that it was good but... stuff is always overcomplex

[chrome badge]

Yeah perforce has beena brick wall of alearning curve

there must be reasons it is the way it is

but what i'd give for a user friendly sourcecontrol

[wide raven]

I think Plastic is trying to go for that niche but I've only taken it for a brief test run a couple of years ago so far. After Unity bought it up, it is a bit unclear how it works outside of Unity ( presumably it works, but might not integrate as well )

[pulsar parcel]

At my previous studio we tried it for a bit and hated it

Just the buggiest client, and server

It felt like a proprietary recreation of Git, with a lot of the same annoyances when it comes to trunk-based development, just that it was centralised on a server instead

"but branching is so fast!" but non-programmers didn't really want to deal with branches

and you'd just get the weirdest merge conflicts and files in weird states for just no reason

[chrome badge]

I'm so lost with this

Starting over is such a nightmare

so I tried to make a new source from the depot I was using but it was still not working

so I decided to try and make a new depot

But maybe I'm lost, these depots always want to live on my C drive which is so close to beign full because literally every program wants to live there next to the operating system. I've moved so many programs out of the C drive but it's always filling up

and a depot being there is the nightmare of all nightmares because they can get HUGE

I also can't actually delete the old depot

no matter how I try to obliterate it it always says something is using it somewhere even though I'm pretty sure it's not. There are no streams or workspaces associated with it I havn't deleted too

so I guess this empty depot is just going to live on my system forever

on the C drive

At least through non perforce backups I havn't lost any of my actual work

I think I need deep help in setting this up correctly

I've already signed up for their workshop thing they offer though it doesn't happen until later in april.

If any kind soul is out there willing to help a lost stranger with this, then I'll gladly be around.

I'd be more than happy to start from scratch if we can just get a depot on a non C: drive and delete the old depots.

[wide raven]

Sanity check

• are you trying to setup a new local perforce server, or just a workspace?

[pulsar parcel]

I don't know why you need to rebuild your whole P4 server

What does the streams tab look like instead?

[woven sluice]

"i can't delete the depot after i've obliterated everything in it" is a legit nuisance, there is some junk that the GUI's are too stupid to obliterate

the answer here should be how to actually get rid of an otherwise emptied depot
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/73021496/perforce-depot-cannot-delete-depot

[scenic zephyr]

Hoihoi
I have a question if anybody knows or is willing to help

Github, right. I made a project, tried to put it onto Github so I can distribute / show my rig work using this tutorial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3x1fErlmYA)
but now when I tried to download the project on another computer, it's empty.
It records that all my assets exist, but all the files are 1kb. So something did not upload properly.
And I'm not sure how exactly to go about troubleshooting this.

Does anybody have suggestions or ideas on what to look into?

github seems to recognize that the files have a larger size, but I can't download them properly. the zipped project is just 100 kb in total

[woven sluice]

are you using LFS?

pretty sure LFS doesn't work with zipped download you have to clone.

[scenic zephyr]

Yes I am.
Currently looking into this with another user via pms.
Supposedly there is a setting to enable this, but its not working right just yet

thank you for the response!

[chrome badge]

@wide raven A new local server. Or specifically a new local depot. I'm also trying to delete the old one.

IF you scroll above I did something extra wrong and P4V was not recognizing my old stream and even when I made a new one it didn't recognize that. I struggled too long to find a fix.

So I settled on just starting fresh with a new Depot because I was lucky enough to have non perforce backups and only set up this projects depot not too many changes ago.

It does work again now that I have a new depot

but I can't actually delete the old one. It always claims it's linked to something somewhere that I can't find. No workspaces or streams show up associated to it and I did obliterate it. But It's still refusing to delete.

I also have had an ongion problem that probably lead me to break my set up before, my depots are always getting created on my C: drive which is increadibly full. But i've struggled to understand how to get it onto my G: for giga drive that has terebytes of room.

So if anyone knows how to tackle either of those two things I would greatly appreciate it. And I already appreciate all the help I've gotten here

I accidentally got my moms company to adopt perforce recently so it would be nice if I actually knew what I was doing with it for when my mom innevitably comes to me to talk about too 😛 So I'm all ears for perforce tips and info and help.

[ocean anvil]

back up your p4 root directory(always before you move stuff), change p4 root in command line on the server host, shut down the server. then move the root directory to your new drive/folder. and restart the server.

https://portal.perforce.com/s/article/2556

[ocean anvil]

redundancy redundancy redundancy. thats my advice. make sure to have checkpoints, journals and back ups stored separately from your server host. preferably in 2 locations of which one off site if possible. run your server storage in raid for parity and i would look into ways to verify your data integrity.

[limber tartan]

Maybe you have already resolved this thing. But this looks like you need to do an "git lfs pull" in the command line. That should resolve these pointer files and replace them with the normal content.

[grave rampart]

If anyone explain me what is the reason of the error, i would be extremely gratefull

[scenic zephyr]

Right, just causes an extra problem of bandwidth
If people start using this like I want them to that is gonna need me to pay for a bunch of bandwidth
So I think I need to make a release package instead

[pulsar parcel]

The trick is not to use GitHub at all for private projects

[scenic zephyr]

I don't get it
I want people to use it

[pulsar parcel]

Then you probably don't need to use LFS at all

[limber tartan]

You can also use "Azure DevOps" instead of GitHub. It fulfills the same need but does not bill for storage and bandwith.

[reef oriole]

I think that Plastic SCM is pretty well integrated in Unreal, and I am not saying that because I am the developer 😇

But instead of talking, I wanted to try something new, and show you.
So here is a quick tour of the Plastic SCM plugin in UE5.3, demonstrating creating and switching branches from withing the Unreal Editor, automatically reloading assets and the level if needed.
https://youtu.be/zuyAySbFU98

I am sorry for the quality of the sound, it's clearly not to the level I wanted, but I figured the video would be helpful nonetheless

[wide raven]

looking very smooth! I was pretty bothered by not having branching workflows in unreal+perforce readily available, looks like plastic/unity has certainly solved that

[scenic zephyr]

I'm sorry I still don't understand
why wouldnt I use LFS? If I use github I need this to upload project files and my sample assets.

[scenic zephyr]

do people download things frmo devops? I have never really heard of it before the last few days, I don't think I've ever been sent there to download something

[limber tartan]

You have not heared of DevOps, because GitHub is waaay more popular. Open source dev project run there and it's the go to place for sharing code. DevOps can do the same thing, but it's not popular at all. However, for game dev, it provides better conditions.

And regarding Git LFS. That is an extension to Git that manages binary files. Git in it's pure form has issues with that but with this extension (which almost every Git client) supports, you don't run into repository limits etc. I would say if your projects is very small, contains almost only text files and a few pngs for textures, then you may don't need it. E.g. for a Godot project. But for Unreal, there is no reason, not to use it.

[scenic zephyr]

So like
I have a tool which is really more of just an asset. An Unreal Control Rig that I made that other people can load their custom characers into and it should work
But unreal doesn't really have a method for exporting and importing asset packs so the only way I know to distribute it is via github, with an entire project included

thus, LFS

A control rig asset by itself doesn't seem to work

since it relies on other code referencesm, blueprints, and needs a skeletal mesh to demonstrate

I've tried migrating it to another project locally before and it just doesn't all come through

this is what I tried to do

but a totally empty project sitll has 300 MB worth of crap in it

yeah. That is what had all that extra stuff in it.

I have 263 MB by including just 2 rig assets, 2 skeletal meshes, and the libraries that were linked to control rig

[scenic zephyr]

been working on that tonight. trying to clear stuff that wasn't in use and simplifying.
next problem is that yeah even if it does fit, it's still really tough to share with anybody within free bandwidth limits.
so yeah I might have to look for an alternative hosting option.

with LFS. it has bandwidth limits. 1 gb per month of traffic to or from the server

A few different sources are telling me to use it for art assets on an unreal project.
and downloading the project without LFS pulls enabled just resulted in empty reference sthat didn't download any assets

so what do you mean "dont use LFS"
I don't understand.

(also its late, going to bed now. will see this again in the morning and look into it)

[quaint obsidian]

well you can now, but yeah its uneconomical

github doesn't force you to use lfs unless individual files are 100MB

you should also make sure you dont have lfs configured for the repo, or else youll get that empty asset problem

[scenic zephyr]

ah, this is the info I was hoping for
Thank you
Yeah my first repo is set up for that. I will try to fix that or maybe just create a new repo.

[quaint obsidian]

you can rewrite commits and force push

[teal marsh]

When I run RunUAT.bat from the command line, everything functions as expected.

When I run the exact same command in TeamCity, I get an error that p4passwd is invalid or unset.

The TeamCity build config is set up with perforce as a VCS source and that works totally fine.
P4PASSWD is set on the machine, hence why the command works when run directly in cmd.

Why is RunUAT not using the environment's p4passwd when run via team city? How do I get RunUAT run through teamcity to correctly use the config currently set up (including the password) in the system's environment?

[wide raven]

This is I think typical to builders like this, they are essentially running in kind of a sandbox. At least in Jenkins I have to set up some things in the Jenkins configurations

I think another option is to include the passwd in the p4 config file

[teal marsh]

Turns out it was because teamcity was running as another user on the machine, so wasn't getting the right environment. I changed the user in services.msc and it worked

now I'm dealing with "Cannot use a legacy client as a stream depo" in ugs 👀

[pulsar parcel]

yeah if you're submitting back to the depot then you'll need to create a stream workspace, not an old school one with mappings

[chrome badge]

So what stuff do I want to keep read only from perforce and what stuff should I remove the read only status?

[chrome badge]

I know that perforce likes to make things read only

i'm now discovering that read only status causes massive lag in the editor

so should I clear all read only every time? or do I only clear certain files?

[merry verge]

The entire point is for (almost) everything to be read-only - it forces you to checkout files in perforce before editing them.
The only times you want to make something writeable without checkout are when you explicitly don't want to checkout those files, or when dealing with some specific situations (storing binaries in perforce, to avoid needing to checkout anything just to build).
Your editor is slow not because files are read-only, but because the editor need to talk to the perforce server to know what it needs to checkout. Clearing the read-only flag makes unreal skip that but it means perforce is no longer tracking which files you've changed so you better remember them yourself.

[wide raven]

The p4ignore file is the key here. Everything else should only ever be read/write when checked out. There should be template ignore files on the disco, if you search a bit, or on the web

[pulsar parcel]

that's the p4 typemap, which has certain things as +w, which is mostly just build artifacts

[chrome badge]

I see

so is there a way to make the communication with perforce faster?

it's strange I have this problem on my local project but not on my teams remote project

it seems that everything takes about a minute to actually respond when the files are read only

I'm already ignoring all the standard recomended things to ignore

and I just used the typemap recomendations from unreal from the official perforce video on it.

The difference is so brutal i wouldn't even consider the checkout system a benefit anymore. especially on a local project

so that can't be all there is to it I think

[pulsar parcel]

well how long does it take in p4v?

[chrome badge]

what do yo umean?

it's not about checking things in

it's about any interaction with the editor, even closing it

it causes a minute long lag spike

if all the files are writable the lag in the editor goes away

this lag applies to everything not just check in or check out

i did some googling and that's how I discovered that the read only status on certain files can cause this

but all they said was 'the problem files' so i don't know which those would be

[rose barn]

is it recommended to use the same login if 2 people are working the same project?
or , how do we see each others files etc (perforce)

I have my workspace setup and im on a streamsDepot. im assuming he will be ont he same streamsDepot and ill be able to see his files?
We are practically using the same project - making modifications and checking it back in so we arnt working on different versions

[pulsar parcel]

The editor is just running P4 commands, so that should give you an idea if there's an issue with your P4 server or not

And I assume you have the source control integration enabled in the editor?

[chrome badge]

yep

thanks though

i'll keep troubleshooting

[wheat estuary]

Hello! What would be the simplest way of working on the same project using two computers - not at the same time - but just sharing the project between a desktop and a laptop. I was thinking of using dropbox or something similar, but I've read that people have had issues with corruption etc. I don't want to have a server/ source control etc. TIA!

[hollow pike]

I recently updated unreal from 5.1 to 5.3, and now syncing in editor is missing some of my binaries. This is the same workspace, but from Unreal Editor vs from Plastic SCM. Unreal finds no changes, but Plastic is (correctly) identifying the modified binaries. How do I fix Unreal so it resumes using the correct config here?

[brittle smelt]

I believe the engine just cares about assets, or whatever is inside the Project/Content/ folder, everything else needs to be taken care manually

[hollow pike]

Hmm, yep we're building now. Very odd that worked on my PC and not my laptop though, they BOTH have VS

[wooden quest]

Hello, everyone.

I am planning to collaborate with a small team, what version control can we use? Tried using git with lfs, but its free version only has 1gb file size. (UE5)

[scenic zephyr]

perforce can hold you up to 5 users for free

[woven sluice]

i hate to ask dumb shit but did you commit Saved folder to perforce maybe by accident, and is there any output log window spam going on after it finishes "not responding"?

[tropic osprey]

Hello peeps! Been long time visiting here! I have this problem if anyone been through this please help me out...
We are a team of 3 Indie Developers working on a game and we were working on a very rough and nonexistent Pipeline. We worked on three distinct projects, to be exact, and after I received them, I had to combine all of the functionalities into one project. We are currently attempting to build a physical server at my place, despite the fact that it is very late, and the other developers will only work on one project.
The problem at hand is that I can not figure out how to set up a server and use its IP address to connect everyone and work at the same time, ensuring that storage is not a problem and that everything goes smoothly.

[woven sluice]

user@server:~$ p4 changes -m 1234
Perforce password (P4PASSWD) invalid or unset. Attempting login for user 'x' against server 'y'
Enter password:
User x logged in.
Perforce password (P4PASSWD) invalid or unset.```
thanks perforce i know i can always count on you to work reliably. maybe not reliably good, but count on you all the same.

[chrome badge]

ooh damn Hojo you were right

I realize now that my p4ignore file was not working

thank you

[pulsar parcel]

Were Intermediate and DerivedDataCache also casualties of that?

[chrome badge]

I see now that there are a few files that slipped past before I get my p4ignore working

I forgor to enter the command to remind it I'm storing it with a .txt ending

it looks like p4ignore is working for new files

but i don't know how to get it to retroactivly ignore those files that sliped through

[pulsar parcel]

Hard to know without knowing the order of operations

[chrome badge]

not sure what you mean

[pulsar parcel]

The exact order that things happened when setting up the project in P4

The environment variable has to be set and be correct before anything is added

If you reconciled, then there's also an option to ignore p4ignore

[chrome badge]

what I did was set up a new project depot and moved in my files from my old depot which had an p4ignore.txt file

but I hadn't noticed at the time that the p4ignore was not being used because I forgot for it to notice one with .txt at the end you have to put in the command

so I made a few changes and noticed the major lag issue

which I now realize is perforce not ignoring the saved folder

[pulsar parcel]

So that happened after you submitted then

[chrome badge]

yes

[pulsar parcel]

So it can't really help you

[chrome badge]

yes

so there's no way to remove those files from being tracked manually?

now that my p4ignore is working again?

I suppose I could start again from scratch

and make sure the ignore file is not ignored this time

[wide raven]

no no, just delete them from depot

and hmmm... was it "obliterate"

if you want to make sure all trace of them is gone

[chrome badge]

i don't want them actually gone, just not int he depot

[wide raven]

You can move the Saved folder aside for a moment, then do obliterate, then move it back if you wish

p4v you can choose depot view or workspace view

more options here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3981117/actually-perforce-i-dont-want-you-tracking-that-file-after-all-how-do-i

[chrome badge]

yeah this moving it out and then back in stuff

it makes me think the thing to do right now is to start from scratch

especially since I'm still trying to figure out my main problem which is that I do not want my depot stored on my C drive

the whole reason things started getting out of whack

[wide raven]

fair enough

[chrome badge]

but I'll have to note down to extra remember to double check that the ignore file is working next time

[ocean anvil]

just the depots or the entire server root?

[woven sluice]

so this is interesting. i'm not sure why yet but my P4 server amassed a starship sized shitload of archive files, like WAY more than my depot size, on a brand new server that should have had barely any contents/deltas. like i'm on change #50 and it's only been submits and obliterates for testing

probably submitted ~30 GB of stuff and i had 110 GB of "archive" sitting there

guess this must be some new behaviour i'm not used to after upgrading from my ancient server version, doing it on both of my new p4 servers and not my old one (actually maybe not doing it on one of them, i suck at math)

i guess the folder i'm looking at was supposed to be the depot's actual archive, and for some reason obliterating it just wasn't doing shite 🤔

[chrome badge]

@ocean anvil I think just the depots would be enough

but what i'mr eading either you move the server roots

or you do symlinks which are new to me

the entire root would make it more reliable if I make more depots

but the symlinks would be faster

I wish this was just in an installation wizard

[chrome badge]

Ok so I think I've mostly solved everything I want done

except one thing

I have this leftover depot I can't delete

even though I obliterated it and it always says its empty it also always says it's connected somewhere to something and can't be deleted

I now see tha the original depot still has everything in its files on my system but it's empty after obliteration to perforce

[woven sluice]

Did you see the link I think I sent you about this before?

[chrome badge]

ah I finally got it

all I had to do was move those files out of the perforce folder and the depot allowed me to delete it

I did read your earlier link

I think everything will be fine now

I symlinked the real depot

and I deleted my old ghost depot

all thats left is to make a new workspace with the new depot and make sure the p4ignore is working before I touch anything

I think

this has been a massive learning curve

i've never typed in so many commands in the command prompt before 😅

thanks a ton for all your patience and support as I'm pretty sure I never described anything I was doing well

these symlinks are actually super impressive

I might be setting more up, I'm always annoyed how many programs want to store everything in my C drive

so long as I don't discover there's more to symlinks later 😅

[woven sluice]

they're pretty innocent/clean

and yeah... as an occasional user i'm still learning how to use P4 really. after like 8 years of it.

[chrome badge]

there's a lot of depth

I kind of wish that some of the errors were more clear about what needs to be done

and that deleting and starting fresh was more simple

but for the most part it's starting to slowly click

once the really complicated set up stuff is dealt with the actual use is not so bad, especially with the unreal integration

Honestly I'd pay Tim Sweeny a hefty sum a month if there was just built in source control in Unreal that goes straight to their mega servers but that would probably be its own endless nightmare and way worse :p

ok still not tottaly understanding how to get my p4ignore working and ignoring all these saved files

but I alreayd went through a lot today so i'll have to give it another try tomorrow

my minds already way too overtaxed on this

i'm not tottaly understanding what i'm reading on this

is what I'm supposed to do to remove the history I made before the p4ignore started working to obliterate that depot and then refill it after the p4ignore files is working?

[woven sluice]

the only time the p4ignore is read for any reason at all is when attempting to do a p4 add operation, otherwise nothing uses it in any way

[chrome badge]

so I need to clean my depot which already has it added, then readd all my files after making sure my p4ignore is working

then it should be good?

[woven sluice]

yes. in theory for temp files that should have never been in there in the first place, simply obliterating them server-side via P4A/p4 admin should be fine

[chrome badge]

ok thanks for confirming

that was what I was thinking

gonna give that a try tomorrow and I think everything will be just as I wanted it

[rose barn]

How do you recommend we merge projects. Is there an option in perforce to auto merge 2 workspace?

[woven sluice]

you probably just don't fully understand what a workspace is. it's common for new people to perfarce to struggle with this a bit.

think of a workspace as your local working version of the server depot (aka the stream). you make edits, you apply them back to the server (submitting changes).

[ocean anvil]

you shouldn't need symlinks. there is a command in p4 that allows you to tell it where you want it to save/find your depots.

[ocean anvil]

you don't merge workspaces. if you are merging 2 projects you'll want to manually merge them, likely to pick the biggest/most stable of the 2 projects, and migrate everything from the other project into it(using the migrate feature in ue).

[ocean anvil]

a workspace is generally only ever used by 1 person, if you use 1 workspace in 2 different locations at the same time you are almost certain to run into issues.
you could technically use 1 account for multiple users each with their own workspace, but unless you absolutely have to. you should not. but do not use the same workspace at the same time as you will more then likely mess up your changelists and end up with a mess.

[hexed compass]

can someone tell me what this means

ive set up an AWS VPC, i put in my VPC's ipv4 address here but it isnt considering it valid

this is the (?) says

[ocean anvil]

what is this form from? what do they need it for? are you sure you entered the ip correctly?

[hexed compass]

playstation partnership form for organization

and yeah i think i did

i can send u ss

[ocean anvil]

that falls outside of the scope of source control though. so i think u're in the wrong channel.
as for the IP i dont think the ip's used for VPC's are public ipv4's as theyre a private cloud, but that depends on ur set up.

i have no personal experience with aws vpc though.

[hexed compass]

ah sorry, i thought this channel sorta covers all network related stuff

but yeah i dont really know what to do exactly, there's not much to go look around for on what i need to fill

[ocean anvil]

no this is more targeted towards using source control software, though in all honesty i'm not sure what channel you should post it in either xD

[ocean anvil]

most likely they just want your public IP https://www.whatsmyip.com

the fact that they need your public ip for this is honestly weird to me...

[hexed compass]

i tried this already

it gives me the same message in the red as before

[hexed compass]

but yeah they say its for 'security reasons' which is strange to me too

thanks for ur help though

i wish they add a channel for shipping to consoles

[ocean anvil]

in that case you might be entering the ip wrong. if you have to enter a fixed ip rather then a range you probably have to enter the last digits twice.

[hexed compass]

let me try it again real quick

OKAY

WTF

it worked?????

thank u sm

[ocean anvil]

tadaaaa 😄

[chrome badge]

@ocean anvil I'm aware there are two other methods, but they all came with way more complex steps and warnings

the symlink explanation at the bottom is like "lol or just use symlinks they just work"

and to their credit they do

[chrome badge]

ok readded everything from fresh and this time I know the p4 ignore is working

that's a relief

i might have to give those other methods, particularly changing the default root for depots a try some other time if I have to start making more depots or projects

but I think for now I'm satisfied

the symlink thing wasn't so scary or hard after all

though it would be nice if it was exposed to the windows GUI by default and didn't have to use the command line

took me a while to realize I need to use quotation marks for folders that have spaces in them, even though windows defaults my programs to have a space in it

I think at least a billion people would pay for a version of windows that strips out so many of its 'features' and then exposes so many of its other 'features' like a windows pro or something :p

[chrome badge]

ok i have completely confirmed that everything works exactly as I wanted now and I don't have it on my C drive anymore!

thanks for all the help guys, this is a huge relief.

[stuck stone]

I can’t push 8k textures to GitHub

“the remote disconnected”

Why

[woven sluice]

because that's their rules... read their docs on large files and LFS. and then consider not using github, azure devops is an alternative

[wooden quest]

do you guys have a good p4 ignore settings and typemap? (UE5)

[wide raven]

This is a fair starting point I guess, from unreal forums

*/Intermediate/*
*/Saved/*
*/DerivedDataCache/*
*/Build/*

#Ignore resource files ( depends on your workflow though )

*/obj/*
*/fbx/*
*/psd/*
*/tga/*```

We also ignore the .sln solution file, and a handful of things related to our specific projects

[pulsar parcel]

Build dir should just be FileOpenOrder or whatever that directory is called

[arctic hornet]

Kinda necro-ing on this, but to explain is (as someone who has access to the partners portal). They need your IP address because all the developer sites have IP whitelist on them and all the Devkits are also bound to specific IP address as to avoid and help trace leaks etc... so more or less it is there to restrict the access and to audit all the stuff. Sadly all the console platforms are the same... well at least the ones I had (dis)pleasure to work with, which includes PS4, PS5, Switch and XB1/XSX. So SIE, Nintendo and Microsoft.

[fickle ocean]

hello I'm setting up version control for the first time and I'm having an issue with UE5 / git and the gitignore file

basically I'm getting these errors

and my gitignore file looks like this:

Binaries
DerivedDataCache
Intermediate
Saved
../../UnrealEngine-release-5.3/
.vscode
.vs
*.VC.db
*.opensdf
*.opendb
*.sdf
*.sln
*.suo
*.xcodeproj
*.xcworkspace

because the engine which I build from source is located 2 directories above

and I think it's trying to include the engine files?

and my hierarchy looks like this in vs:

[steep latch]

what would be the best way to use github with the source code of my Classes without adding the rest of the UE5 Project to it?
making only a repo with my Source content?

[wind gazelle]

you can either commit only source or make a gitignore that would ignore anything other than source folder

[steep latch]

what would be the best way to implement a github repo when my project folder is already existing?

[wind gazelle]

?

github is a service /hosting platform, git is a version control system

make local git repository via commandline or any git gui tools or even unreal editor

then add github remote and upload repository to it

i know, but freemium users are not choosers

not as bad as gitlab

[haughty yoke]

Ive been looking at azure dev ops and apparently theres a storage limit on the free verion of 2 GiB

[merry verge]

there is not

you are looking at artifacts storage which is separate from repos.

[haughty yoke]

please explain this like i have a 1st grade understanding of code (im the guy who pays for everything in my studio, my code skills suck, my marketing skills are good)

[merry verge]

azure devops does not have a hard cap on storage for git repositories

the limit you are looking at is for an unrelated feature that is part of azure devops but not related to git repositories.

[haughty yoke]

and git being where the main project files are stored right?

[merry verge]

yes

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/repos/git/limits?view=azure-devops

[haughty yoke]

a regular coder with reasonable skills could use these right? cause i stay the hell away from code, because im the kind who can BSOD an entire server by accident

[merry verge]

You should probably ask the people who are going to use it. I don't know what experience your team has.

If you're not confident enough to make a decision for your team then you probably shouldn't be trying to make a decision without input from your team.

[magic mesa]

Can anbody explain what problem Unreal Game Sync (UGS) solves? For example even if I wanted to have my own custom build of the engine, couldn't I just build it and push the binaries to perforce and have non-tech people open the project using that binary build?

[reef oriole]

https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.26/en-US/ProductionPipelines/DeployingTheEngine/UnrealGameSync/

Technically, UGS provides a graphical front-end to sync UE4 projects from Perforce , optionally building those projects with Microsoft's Visual Studio Compiler.

It's a way to improve communication, by labeling the changeset that are tested by CI / by a QA team
=> team member now better when/on what to sync their project

It also solves the common issues you can have when you change the Engine as well, or when you submit game code & assets depending on it etc
(but the official doc says it better than I can 😉 )

[magic mesa]

One side question: Does it work with any CI system? I'm a bit confused about that part since it's not really explicitly stated in the docs

[magic mesa]

I get all that, though I still don't see the use for it. Is it more for studios that regularly update their own engine build, and require new engine builds on an almost daily-basis? I can imagine it being very useful if that's the case

[reef oriole]

I think the bigger the team, the most useful it gets.
It's not only for Engine changes; in fact, it's also very useful if you have some code changes submitted by programmers that other team members need to sync on in order to work on in-Editor assets

It's the typical things that generally requires some careful process, and often leads to mistakes, broken builds or simply team members loosing times etc.

[magic mesa]

can't we just use P4V for that? I should have clarified that P4V was what I was comparing against.

[reef oriole]

I would say that if you don't see the point is that you are probably not the audience (you don't need it)
And yes you can just use P4V for manual stuff: for the record I never used it when I was working for a ~30 person team for 4 years (though I wanted to set it up, we never found the time to do so) so it's not a requirement.

So to sum it up: you can use P4V but you will either have to follow some strict manual process when people submit certains changes, or enforce it with CI/CD.
Epic Games was using that for years, and many studios as well
UGS is one solutions for quite some issues you can have with the "old way"

[magic mesa]

yeah I think this is what I don't understand. What's "manual" about P4V that's "automated" via UGS? Do you have a simple example?

It's pretty clear to me that I don't need it now. It's more of wanting to understand what problem it solves so that I'm aware of when I should consider UGS...

[reef oriole]

When you change code, you have to also update the proper DLLs. You have to do it correctly with no local changes not submitted etc
In many team this needs to be done by CI/CD, you need to build the editor but also some other tools etc

[magic mesa]

Ah I see thanks, that's a helpful example. One last question is how exactly UGS interacts with CI/CD? Does it just work with any CI/CD system you setup? I'm a bit confused about that as its not in the docs at all.

[reef oriole]

That I don't know: I know builds can be flagged manually, I assume that there might be an API to automate it as well, but I never looked into that

[magic mesa]

Thanks a lot

[reef oriole]

eg https://github.com/jorgenpt/unreal-game-sync-badges-plugin

[pulsar parcel]

UGS badges are a little bit different, since that requires the deployment of the metadata server

there is a sample buildgraph for building and submitting binaries for UGS

and you configure where you want the artifacts to go in UnrealGameSync.ini, and it just reads the changelists in that location to determine which builds are available

[reef oriole]

Great news for those of you using Plastic SCM (Unity Version Control) with Unreal Engine 5; Epic Games has accepted and merged my PR to update the source control provider to version 1.9.0 https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/pull/11295 and it's already in Unreal Engine 5.4 Preview 1 🎉
This was the version released last December adding a brand new View Branches window supporting creating, switching to, and merging from branches within the Unreal Editor, reloading assets and the current level when needed! https://github.com/PlasticSCM/UEPlasticPlugin/releases/tag/1.9.0
(quick tour of the feature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuyAySbFU98)

To celebrate I have released a new version 1.10.0 that adds a View Locks window and can now show local modifications in the View Changes window https://github.com/PlasticSCM/UEPlasticPlugin/releases/tag/1.10.0
You can keep your plugin always up-to-date by installing it from Unreal Engine Marketplace https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/unity-version-control-plastic-scm

[devout walrus]

Anyone ever setup discord webhooks on microsoft azure for commits?

[fickle ocean]

can I just "safely" ignore these messages?

SourceControl: fatal: F:/UnrealEngine-release-5.3/UnrealEngine-release/Engine/Plugins/Bridge/Content: 'F:/UnrealEngine-release-5.3/UnrealEngine-release/Engine/Plugins/Bridge/Content' is outside repository at 'F:/Projects/X'

[reef oriole]

Yes you can. Is this with the default Git source control provider? You could also update with the more up to date alternative from Github

[fickle ocean]

yes this is my first setup of source control

i built from source engine which is what the error message relates to

i wouldn't be able to restore my project via unreal engine

but I can download all the files direct from github

so it's basically the same?

[reef oriole]

For now you should most likely just ignore the message.
If you want you can try to add a new plugin to your project, using https://github.com/ProjectBorealis/UEGitPlugin

[fickle ocean]

yea cool I saw that scrolling here

this is just to cover worse case scenario like harddrive failure

I don't really want to "waste" more time on it

thank you though, the error was bugging me 🙂

[reef oriole]

Don't forget to actually "push" to a remote repository if you want to be safe!

[fickle ocean]

yes I did that with github desktop

[reef oriole]

Also, I would say that Source Control is even more useful to be able to inspect (Visual Diff) all the pending changes and to be able to revert to a previous revision
(edit: even when working alone)

[fickle ocean]

yea it's undeniably useful

I've blown up a few projects that could have easily been recovered had i been using this

rip

[hidden night]

I've have a Git repo of a project, currently using SourceTree and it's working okay, but I thought I'd try out the version control within Unreal. It connected fine but on the first load of the project since then I'm getting this loading bar. It's been 20 mins. Should I expect this to take a long time first time or has something gone wrong?

There's no network traffic and the repo was up to date. What's Unreal doing?

[cerulean mason]

Hey!
We have a team working with Perforce on a C++ Project. We have devs that never go near the code and we have our ignore file so we never upload Saved or Binaries in any way. Do all the team members need to have Visual Studio Installed to compile the engine whenever we change anything?

[wide raven]

Yes, that's how we do things at least. Technically it would be possible to distribute installed builds but that's more of a hassle than just showing people how to rebuild as needed. I took the path of setting up a little batch script that cleans out Intermediate folder and regens solution files with a single doubleclick on .bat file

[cerulean mason]

Ok, wanted to double check if there was a way around it, but then everyone will need to install C++ then.

Thanks!

[hidden night]

Thanks. Am trying to find this third party thingy- Project Borealis seems to be a half life thing!

[ornate matrix]

Can I "automatically" split my local changes into commits using size ?
i can only do 5GB per commit, but its taking to much time to calculate what can i commit each time

[ornate matrix]

also, i got git setup with fork and AzureDevOps
should i enable source control in UE ? or is it slow or not recommended ?

[ornate matrix]

okay

[ornate matrix]

pulling on my laptop is super slow (trying to pull 6gb ~3000 objects)

• i got enough space on my drive
• i have a fast eternet connection
• my pc specs are good

what can be the issue ?

[wide raven]

Might depend on your vcs provider's servers

[ornate matrix]

its azure devOps

with fork

[wide raven]

First thing I usually do is check service status. It looks ok https://status.dev.azure.com

[ornate matrix]

checked already

all green

[haughty yoke]

for some reason after giving my developers full project admin, and all the developer perms they still cant access repos in azure and MS support pages are of no help to me

my devs see this:

I see this:

[haughty yoke]

took forever but apparently the problem is that theres 3 different permission groups in 3 different locations and only one of them prevents them from viewing the repo's in the first place

[icy geyser]

Hi we are trying to upload a shared project using git kraken, someone could help us?

it doesnt upload the project

[runic trail]

Does anyone use digital ocean and perforce for their source control? I had an old ubuntu droplet that worked great but got deleted for inactivity. Now they recommend the helix core droplet but it makes admin such a pain. Hoping someone has some insight

[icy geyser]

we are a little bit loss with the programe

100 MB limit says, but we have the Pro git Kraken

We are on a call, if someone could come a sec to help to set it up

we are quite deseperate

[wide raven]

Have you done "Initialize new Project", following docs? https://help.gitkraken.com/gitkraken-client/open-clone-init/

[icy geyser]

yes

[wide raven]

you can add a small file like test.txt and commit it?

[icy geyser]

it seems so

[wide raven]

I havent used Kraken in a while. Do you get a clear error message when trying to push something big?

[icy geyser]

the 100MB error message

thats to big

[wide raven]

So it's not about kraken : )

or, don't have assets > 100 Mb size?

[icy geyser]

what we have to put here

we payed

[wide raven]

google shows some "official tracking list" as a first hit but it's just some randos cobbling it together : )

[icy geyser]

you are avaliable a minut to talk with us? we are screw

[wide raven]

https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/official-git-lfs-tracking-list-for-ue4/131597/17

maybe a proper one in unreal docs somewhere

the idea is to track any asset types that potentially go over the 100 Mb limit

[icy geyser]

now we have this error

and were we can locate sh.exe ?

[wide raven]

google-fu : )

[wide raven]

can use the inbuilt terminal
https://help.gitkraken.com/gitkraken-client/terminal/

[wide raven]

Weird case with Fork : I can see most of my organizations repositories, but our Unreal Engine fork is no longer visible ( used to work fine last year ).
I can see the repo with another git client like Github Desktop. What the hecc. We have a couple of other forked projects, those are not visible either, so I guess that's a clue...

[wide raven]

hmm, ok, will try that

that did the trick! Super Thanks!