source-control

[mortal vale]

Thanks, I think I have an idea how to tackle this, but only time will tell if my assumptions are correct. What is the abbreviation NDA for NDA platform? I know NDA as non-disclosure agreement .

[wide raven]

probably means any platforms for which by default you need an NDA ( Playstation at least )

[mortal vale]

Oh right! That makes sense

[south flint]

because the license cost will be proportional to your budget
what do you mean by this? when I inquired about getting a license I was just quoted a ridiculously high number by someone at Epic without any discussion whatsoever around budget.

[pulsar parcel]

and did you respond?

[south flint]

I mean I asked for a few details and clarification but it was definitely very out of range

think they would've gone down with negotation?

[pulsar parcel]

probably, because there are a bunch of factors in licensing when it comes to the royalty % and if it's based on gross or net

[south flint]

the royalty % was actually reasonable, the problem was the flat fee they wanted off the bat

[buoyant widget]

I got an urgent Git issue at our studio atm

One of the artists managed to push one month of progress without merging. His merge commit is completely empty. I tried to undo the last 4 commits with git revert, but I can't revert an empty commit, and the commit before that doesn't want to be reverted. Is there a way to just set the HEAD of main to the last valid commit?

The commits by Arvincle are the problem, so I want to go back to "Fixed artisan ABP error"

[buoyant widget]

I see. So would you recommend me to do the force push, or is there a better way out? If I revert commits, should I skip merge commits?

[livid ermine]

Should creating new .uassets from branches prevented? I believe I've heard somewhere that it could cause problems since they got a unique ID from the editor which might conflict between branches? Is this a valid issue?

[indigo dove]

hi all! is there any way using the submission tool in UE to shift select and check/uncheck multiple files at one for submission? I know I can uncheck/check ALL the files in a list, but in the case of the image here, I just want to select all the question mark ones and uncheck them for submission. The UI lets me shift select them, but then when I click one of the check boxes, it only modifies that one, not all of them i had selected.

[livid ermine]

Oh if that's the only problem that's nice

[quick cedar]

Sadly my GIT-knowhow is only limited to a few things - it's served me pretty perfectly with Unity for the most part, but now that I am in Unreal territory I am up against a wall. Trying to check in my branch (it's got a lot of heavy UASSETS) and it keeps erroring out. If there is a kind soul who wouldn't mind to get into this a bit with me, I will be forever in your favor.. (going via sourceTree, btw)

[covert glade]

hello devs , rn i am pushing some big commit to the server it already took like 3 hours and still didn't finished . SourceTree rn looks like this , i am starting worring that it just frozen and not actually pushing , is there a way to check is it really pushing or not ? how much it already pushed etc

[wide raven]

You might be able to make a rough estimate of how much stuff you have versus your internet bandwidth I guess... I seem to recall most version control clients being pretty bad at reporting mission progress

[woven sluice]

task manager? lol

just look and see how much bandwidth it's using...

[gritty epoch]

Hi Guys, i am a bit lost on AWS, Perforce, to UE5.3 . I have setup AWS and Perforce works fine. I can submit and get latest from p4v. No issues. But when i try to connect the Version Control Server in UE5.3 the server is not connecting. Is there any other settings to touch in UE besides this option box? I input the same details i used in P4V client to login.

[neat grotto]

Make sure you entered your server URL in the correct format: <IP address>:<port>

If your Perforce server is using SSL, the format is ssl:<IP address>:<port>

You should have received instructions for this in the terminal when Perforce finished installing.

If that doesn't work, there should be an error message in the log.

[gritty epoch]

Thanks @neat grotto ya the URL i am using is the same one i have used for P4V login. It works well in P4v.. its a SSL ssl:<IP address>:<port>

But when tried the same in UE, it's not connecting. so i am wondering if i need some other URL ... another thing is, there is no Workspace name showing.

[pulsar parcel]

it'll be the exact same format you enter it in P4V

[quick cedar]

Still trying to get things ironed out on my end. Traditionally I've been using Unity with GIT/SourceTree and never really had any issues to speak of. Didn't really bother with LFS either. Now after doing some digging into Unreal I am seeing that things are pretty profoundly different in this environment. I am using much bigger assets here (basically working with valley of the ancient scene for now) and going back & forth between the main coder and myself (tech artist essentially) has been pretty one-way, to this point. (He makes changes, I grab his code and merge to mine, but he never grabs any of my stuff since - I commit things locally but haven't pushed to server yet since all the files are so mega-huge!)

At this point it looks like I should just setup GIT LFS but already it is gigs & gigs of data from those assets, due to the nature of our project (silo'd project, non-game, for a client to do some internal work with) I am not sure how best to proceed. It doesn't seem like LFS is gonna be a "magic bullet" and might introduce other potential issues.. maybe we could get setup on P4 but there's a whole rabbit hole to go down with figuring out that pipeline as well (neither of us have any kind of this experience setting up multi-user project versioning). I am tempted to say screw it, for now, and just back up locally and find a kludgier method to send stuff back and forth and not waste time getting into testing and researching all these different methods while the clock is ticking and my workload of "actual work" is getting backed up, but I also don't wanna start incurring gnarly tech-debt here. (continued..)

Is there an "easy way" to just use GIT for and ignore all UASSETS and UMAPS and just pass that stuff up/down on Dropbox, or is that going to create mountains of headaches? Am I being too neurotic about just signing up for GIT LFS and worrying that the costs could start ballooning/other problems could arise from this method? Sorry for the giant wall of text, I am kind of at my wit's end with this issue and just wanted to see if there were any other informed opinions on the matter.

[limber tartan]

I would say that there is no way to avoid Git LFS when working with Unreal. In Unity, scenes, prefabs etc. are text based, in Unreal they are binary. I would suggest that you create a new repo on GitHub (or on Azure DevOps) and setup LFS correctly. To do that, you need to create a the .gitattributes file and .gitignore. You can take them from this article (just scroll down): https://www.anchorpoint.app/blog/git-with-unreal-engine-5#configure-git-by-setting-the-gitignore-and-gitattributes-file

Almost every Git client supports LFS now. When using GitHub, make sure that you buy storage packs. On Azure DevOps, there is no pricing on storage.

Putting uassets and umaps on Dropbox will give you the biggest headache ever. Don't do that.

[quick cedar]

thanks will look at this. If anyone else has thoughts, please share!

[quick cedar]

Don't need to use LFS at all? I posted an image yesterday here - #source-control message
I've set up without using LFS currently, and you say it's simply out of RAM? I will look more into that, as well-

Understood. I was just surprised to hear that it would even let me upload files that large at all without LFS, I suppose (figuring I had gone over some kinda limit). my host is just using a regular github repo

I apologize for my ignorance, again coming from Unity (never having to deal with large assets in such a pipeline before) this is new territory to me. Based on what you are saying - unless you are aware of this as a fact - could it be safe to assume that github won't let me upload these huge files without using LFS then?

(based on the brief googling I have just done, doesn't sound promising)

got it

Ok. I am gonna get some shut-eye (meeting in the AM) so I will investigate this further following that. This stuff is frustrating, but I suppose it is good to be forced to deal with it as it's pretty integral to pipeline.. gotta face up to it eventually. Thank you for your help!

Right. It is just the nature of this project that is dealing with much larger assets than I am used to. There were funky workarounds I could do in Unity sometimes as I am much more familiar w that pipeline, but I am not as savvy in Unreal at this point.

[gaunt igloo]

So I'm setting up Perforce, but the weird thing is why does it copy the project files to the workspace folder?

[pulsar parcel]

?

[gaunt igloo]

i created a workspace

i added the project files to that workspace, and it copied the files to that workspace folder

[pulsar parcel]

it wouldn't copy anything?

[gaunt igloo]

it did

[pulsar parcel]

yeah, you're going to need to show what you're actually doing

doesn't sound right at all

p4 add doesn't copy files

[gaunt igloo]

thats why I'm asking

after creating a new workspace from here

and adding files to the server from here

[pulsar parcel]

have you actually created a depot?

[gaunt igloo]

The files i added to the server, are copied to the workspace folder i created

can you explain more?

[pulsar parcel]

a depot is where your project goes on the server

have you created one?

judging by not knowing what one is I would suspect: no

[gaunt igloo]

a classic depot, i think it will create one called "depot"

[pulsar parcel]

this would be in p4admin

or CLI

classic depots suck ass so I would suggest not doing that

stream depot

[gaunt igloo]

why?

[pulsar parcel]

branching is painful?

[gaunt igloo]

I'm not going to create branches, just one main branch, I'm solo dev

[pulsar parcel]

even with p4 trunk-style development, you'll still typically use streams for stabilisation and releases

okay? but classic depots are called classic for a reason

[gaunt igloo]

so what do you suggest

[pulsar parcel]

and it's easier to just do the right thing now than fix it later

[gaunt igloo]

removing the workspace and do it again?

[pulsar parcel]

from p4admin create a stream depot

[gaunt igloo]

alright

[pulsar parcel]

then create a mainline stream for it

[gaunt igloo]

also i don't know why its stuck at 0

[pulsar parcel]

I'm not sure why you're using this wizard or what suggested you to do it

[gaunt igloo]

tutorials?

what should i use instead

[pulsar parcel]

not using the wizard in p4v and create the depot ahead of time so you have an empty workspace to work with?

[gaunt igloo]

ok i reverted everything i did

now i will create a workspace, then i will add the project files to it, and choose stream depot instead?

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-21631787

[pulsar parcel]

You explicitly create a stream depot

You usually name it after your project

[gaunt igloo]

Alright i will check how can i create stream depot

So i think perforce copied my files

because i created a workspace in a folder, and added files

Should i set the project folder as workspace folder?

[pulsar parcel]

Well I would usually have it one directory level up so that switching to a source build isn't annoying later

[gaunt igloo]

As i said, if i create a workspace and i add files from the wizard, its going to copy these files

So let me try how is this going to work

I think i got it now

thanks

[woven sluice]

P4V has a couple of nuisance helpers when you're setting stuff up, any time it says stuff that sounds like it might be spoken by i basically ignore it. wizard, or "would you like to copy files to this now" type prompts lol

[cobalt echo]

So how would I remove Linux from the source control build of Linux from GitHub just untick linux? Not at computer so…

[crisp widget]

Why am i getting this persiting sandbox state error? anyone know? Perforce, unreal engine 5.3, only happens for certain actors

LogConcert: Warning: Can't check-out file 'D:/Perforce/depot/depot/VirtualProduction/UE5/VP_Template_5_3/Content/1_VP_Technical/Blueprints/Tracked_Camera_Blueprint.uasset' from revision control when persiting sandbox state!
Concert: Error: Can't check-out file 'D:/Perforce/depot/depot/VirtualProduction/UE5/VP_Template_5_3/Content/1_VP_Technical/Blueprints/Tracked_Camera_Blueprint.uasset' from revision control when persiting sandbox state!
LogConcert: [Pending] Persisting Session Changes - See Message Log
LogConcert: Error: [Failure] Failed to Persist Session Changes - Failed to persist session files. Reported 1 error.
AssetCheck: New page: Asset Save: VP_Calibration_LAB_2
LogContentValidation: Display: Validating /Script/Engine.World /Game/2_VP_Visuals/Maps/Calibration_Lab/VP_Calibration_LAB_2.VP_Calibration_LAB_2
LogConcert: Error: [Failure] Failed to Persist Session Changes - Failed to persist session files. Reported 1 error.

[unkempt gate]

Yoo folks, Im using perforce in my project and I have question about cpp files. For now we only push "Source" folder to the repo (we don't touch Binaries folder, we want everyone to recompile the project after the push). This approach isn't the best bcs when anyone push new changes to the cpp files, no one knows about them. I would like to somehow trigger window with prompt to recompile the project. Which files should I push to the repo then?

[pulsar parcel]

Don't you have a CI server that pushes binaries?

[unkempt gate]

Nope :/

[pulsar parcel]

then look at setting that up so not every member of the team has to compile

you'll only get that prompt if it can't load the DLL for whatever reason, and you're just asking for data loss due to someone not building

[unkempt gate]

So basically CI server should recompile code and make a push with the newest binaries, ya?

[pulsar parcel]

well a CI server like TeamCity or Jenkins will be listening for commits and when any of those commits contain source file changes, then it'll compile the code automatically and push them back to source control

Epic also offers a tool called UnrealGameSync, but that requires a native source build

[unkempt gate]

I see, than you so much for help, Ill dig into it 😎

[pearl forge]

any good documentation good practices on how to setup your studio perforce streams?

I was thinking this will be the ideal scenario:

//GameProject
//full_sources (engine + game sources + gameproject content)
//game_sources (engine binaries + game sources + gameproject content)
//content_only (engine binaries + game binaries + gameproject content)

all the documentation that I seem to find out is kind of all over the place 🤔, if anyone have good resources about that, I'll really apreciate it

[silver token]

That's not enough to tell. Your stream graph & configurations is also important. If game_sources is a release stream based on full_sources, this might be okay. If they're just two separate streams it's probably a mistake.
It also depends on how you plan to manage those binaries. If you're using UGS, you don't need any this because your binaries are kept separately anyway so you only need the full_sources stream.

[pearl forge]

oh so I can make UGS to distribute engine + project binaries? then I'll need to look into that, thanks 🙏🏻

[silver token]

Yeah, as long as you have a machine that can build them and put them somewhere (I think a dedicated place in perforce) then people can choose to sync precompiled binaries instead of building from source.

[pulsar parcel]

hopefully you mean virtual streams here

but if you deploy UGS then that does workspace filtering too

also with doing source build, I would recommend merging that from a clean branch, makes it easier to manage your custom engine changes

[pearl forge]

Could you expand with what do you mean exactly by that?

[pulsar parcel]

the engine will need to be side-by-side with the project, you will inevitable make small engine changes here and there, but what happens when you upgrade the engine?

so it's easier to have a separate engine depot which has the clean engine in it, as acquired from Epic (either from github or the licensee p4) and you merge that to the project depot, and yes, you can merge between depots in p4

[pearl forge]

gotchhaa, yeah that will be the play here, thanks 🙏🏻

[frigid mica]

Hi, does anybody know about user-limit on Perforce Helix Core (on-premises)?

[woven sluice]

5

[jaunty hornet]

There's also a limit of 15 workspaces too if I'm not mistaken

[woven sluice]

20, but yes

[crude flume]

every perforce tutorial that I've looked at seems to be outdated because I follow them to a T and yet I'm stuck with a workspace I can't submit uassets to

[woven sluice]

Nope

[wide raven]

That seems very unusual. You can submit other files? Look for some error logs.

[pulsar parcel]

If I was to guess, a stream depot was created but the workspace wasn't created using the stream

Using workspace mappings with a stream depot seems to work, but is completely read only

[solemn crater]

Hey im making a small fun game with my freind, he got a free plugin that isnt free anymore that we were planning on using. he made a git repository witch i cloned, i get the error that the plugin is missing. do i copy it over manually? would that be a licensing issue that he has bought it but not me? can i still develop with it legally or? or am i missing something? :3

tried googeling but just got a bunch of github repos on ue5 plugins

[chrome badge]

so i noticed my depot is on my root harddrive, which isn't actually that big. And it takes up a huge amount of space. I want to move the depot to one of my much larger harddrives but I'm really not understanding how one is supposed to do this from reading the perforce documentation on it

would anyone be so kind as to help walk me through it?

[wide raven]

Simplest is just to create new workspace and redownload

[wide raven]

a single plugin can be used by multiple people for the same project, just copy it over

[chrome badge]

but the workspace and depot are seperate are they not?

I don't want the depot on my c drive but my workspace already wasn't on my c drive

[pulsar parcel]

Then why is the "depot" on your local machine?

[woven sluice]

it's fine to move depots to other locations although i don't think it's a super simple click-click-done process

unless... symlinks?

[pulsar parcel]

Really just want clarification on what the supposed interpretation of "depot" and "workspace" is

Based on the previous messages

[woven sluice]

licensing rules for unreal plugins are and always will be vague. if the plugin is something that two people (seats) will be using at any given time, you absolutely should ensure you have two valid licenses, however they are obtained (free + bought)

if you definitely will not be using the plugin (e.g. if it's a level editor tool or something like Houdini, and you will only be working on other things, or editing other things in a level without using the specific functionality of that plugin yourself), but it still has to be there for you to open the plugin, then people start to disagree... my opinion is if you are not really conceptually a user of the plugin you shouldn't consider yourself forced to own a license of it. if my team has 4 people and 1 of them is a level designer, we're not buying 4 licenses of a level design tool so that our sound designer can open the editor and check their sound, unless the software license explicitly describes such an arrangement

[woven sluice]

https://portal.perforce.com/s/article/2559
@chrome badge
(method 3)

[chrome badge]

method 3 is the one I understand the least sorry

I've never used symlinks

and I don't really understand how to

I was going to do method 1 but my p4 command prompt wont open

i figured I'd need that

[chrome badge]

well i'll have to tackle this tomorrow, any way to delete it would be fine too. I have everything non perforce backed up too. Maybe if I make it fresh it's easier than moving it?

[wide raven]

good clarification

[wide raven]

also good clarification

[woven sluice]

symlinks are the easiest thing ever compared to moderating a horde of p4 settings and procedures, just make a test one of some other test folders first

(i don't know what the 2024 best way is... is Link Shell Extension still good, anyone know?)

basically you would find the physical depot folder, move it, and then remake a portal folder (symlink) in the place of the original depot folder pointing to the new physical location

though you'd have to look for that tiny.db thing before attempting. i have no idea what that is

that might make method 3 suck, i suppose

[foggy stratus]

hiya, hope this is the correct place to ask. This is my first time using Perforce with my self hosted server back at AWS. In P4V, I was trying to submit my first changelist that consists of just one file. Upon executing however it errors out like this. Anyone has a solution? I've been banging my head on this one and it's a terrible first experience trying to transition from Git. Thank you

[woven sluice]

did you create any p4trigger entries?

guessing you're going to say no if this is a brand brand new server but... the error...

(also you said transition to git - did you mean transition to perforce?)

[foggy stratus]

i meant to say transition FROM git to perforce, sorry

[foggy stratus]

yeah this is a fresh-ish server

wait

i have checked

[foggy stratus]

it turns out, I do have a p4 triggers set up, its a check-case validation, i've commented that out and it works

should I leave it commented?

[woven sluice]

Check case validation? Were you trying to enforce something on your files?

[foggy stratus]

i didnt add that myself

i think it was automatically added when I was initially setting up the server with a CloudFormation template by Perforce themselves

[woven sluice]

Ah

I have no idea what it does then

I'm only used to setting up servers in Linux which come completely barebones

Looks like this maybe? https://swarm.workshop.perforce.com/files/guest/perforce_software/sdp/dev/Server/Unix/p4/common/bin/triggers/CheckCaseTrigger.py?v=4

Really weird. Because server case sensitivity is an option... You can just turn it off... And then this should never be a concern...

(Assuming everyone is developing on Windows, at least)

[foggy stratus]

yeah yeah

its this one

[foggy stratus]

I think it defaulted to "sensitive" but i didnt pay attention to it

[woven sluice]

you probably want it insensitive, i don't know when you would ever want it sensitive. i think only if everyone is deving on linux

might want to have a read https://portal.perforce.com/s/article/3081

[foggy stratus]

yep yep im developing on windows anyways

thanks!

[ebon sand]

Is there an online documentation of the build executables like UnrealEngine/Engine/Build/BatchFiles/RunUAT.sh

I'm trying to figure out which arguments I can add to it

[wide raven]

this is a good resource : https://github.com/botman99/ue4-unreal-automation-tool

[ebon sand]

Nice thank you

[young badger]

Hi, I have a simple question about level instances, I'm working with level instances for the first time.

After making some changes and exiting the LI I'm saving the changes as UE asked to me. But i realized that LI was not on the changes list on my SC and I'm unable to create a commit and push it. (any other changes on the list exept level instance)

As a SC I'm using Git LFS. .umaps files are not ignored. Googled it but could not find an answer.

Can i get some advice, tips, or workarounds? 🙂 Thanks.

[young badger]

Thank you, i'll try built-in sc now.

[nocturne sparrow]

Easy solution, Your LLC buys the plugin. Your LLC owns the 1 license to the plugin and authorizes the necessary developers to use it for the purposes of the project.

Because yeah, otherwise you could make the argument that you need one license copy of everything for every "developer seat" you have, which is obviously not how things work, for large businesses, or small teams.

Unless it specifies requiring per-developer-seat licensing, you should be good. People usually forget that humans aren't the only legal entities that can purchase and own things, including licenses for digital goods.

When we say, “you,” “your,” or “yourself,” we mean you as an individual or the legal entity exercising rights under this Agreement through you

This is at the start of the epic content license agreement.

2. How You Can Use the Licensed Content
We grant you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, non-sublicensable license to privately use, reproduce, display, perform, and modify the Licensed Content in accordance with the terms of this Agreement (the “License”). This means that as long as you are not violating this Agreement, such as by using the Licensed Content in violation of any applicable law or regulation or for any unlawful purpose, you can privately use the Licensed Content however you want. If you want to share the Licensed Content or anything you make with it, Sections 3 and 4 addresses when and how you can do that.

"We grant you" which also means the legal entity you are using, such as your LLC.

"You can privately use the licensed content however you want"

Privately using the licensed content however you (which includes your LLC) wants, means that my LLC is allowed to purchase and own the license, and authorize necessary employees to use the license.

If you as an individual human purchases the license, then you the individual human is the only one that is authorized to use it.

If your LLC purchases it, anyone who is not "third party" to your LLC can use it. Which means your employees, etc.

[pulsar parcel]

Marketplace EULA does have this addendum for code plugins:

Plugins may be offered to you on a per user basis. Such Plugins may only be used by the number of users that you have purchased licenses for. Distribution of Plugins in source format to your employees, affiliates and contractors is permitted so long as use by those employees, affiliates and contractors does not cause you to exceed the number of paid users you have purchased for the Plugin. Any such Distributions will be subject to the terms of Section 4 of the Agreement. Additionally, any Projects you incorporate Plugins into may only be Distributed as Engine Tools under the Unreal Engine Agreement.

So you'll want to check with each plugin you purchase to see if it's per user

[wide raven]

Does anybody know of an example of a per user license plugin? I am checking a couple we use but not seeing anything

[nocturne sparrow]

This does say that you can distribute them to employees as long as only the correct number of people are using them.

Meaning that you would be authorized to distribute them to 100 employees when you have 1 license. As long as only 1 employee is actually using it

[timber zealot]

Hey, I'm just trying to use the revision control in ue5 and the console says that the revision control is disabled. is there a way to seemingly turn this on? Or is this just not a thing that works?

[silver token]

It definitely works. Maybe it depends which one you're using. No one I know (on here or at my work) has had problems having it connected to Perforce.

[timber zealot]

trying to use the git version

Was going through a matt aspland video of it and it doesnt come up with any of the settings that it does on his video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3x1fErlmYA

Only this

[pulsar parcel]

The source control settings are pretty prominent in the main toolbar

[crisp widget]

Anyone know if there is a way to get all the streams in a perforce depot via C++? I am looking at the tasks in "IPerforceSourceControlWorker.cpp" but There seems to be no such task. Is there anyone that added this worker or similar?

[solemn crater]

If i was to do backend and my freind was gonna use his level editor combined with my code, could we just set up an wrapper inbetween them and it would be cool? Also thx for the answer!

[fossil iris]

If you're already setup and using source control can you safely empty out the autosaves folder? I have like 17GB in there and not sure if I need that.

[wide raven]

Intermediate I nuke regularly.
Saved I nuke as needed.
Binaries I nuke if I hit a weird packaging error and want to sanity check

None of those 3 folders should be in version control either

[fossil iris]

But what about the saved/Autosaves folder specifically?

I don't wanna touch the build stuff because I like how quickly it runs with them hanging around.

[wide raven]

Yeah, there should be nothing critical in the Saved folder, unless you are saving things in the game that you need to keep ( like local saves of your progress for example )

[fossil iris]

My gitignore already excludes the big stuff and any downloaded marketplace assets

[crude flume]

I find many out of date tutorials on how to get perforce set up in unreal. If anyone has a resource to look at that might have helped them during the process that would be greatly appreciated.

I have a pretty small team of 3 but this is the hurdle we've found ourselves tackling since we don't really have the means for git lfs or any ludicrous pricing that plastic might offer

[woven sluice]

Dunno if you realize it but you ignored people offering to help you before... You'll live longer if you ask actual questions with context and identified hurdles, and engage with people willing to help

[woven sluice]

if you're doing something simple, you might just want to do what laura said and brute force some p4 commands reading the return

if you're building something complex, you might need to strap on a p4 api... they have a c++ api you could probably add to your project as a third party library

[crude flume]

Did someone delete a message or something because I’ve looked at the general advice given on the channel as well as information on what to do about certain errors only to be stonewalled entirely even when it was supposedly a flawless setup. Literally just asking if anyone used any documentation which was never even answered in my last question.

Perforce allows 5 users and is a pay as you go or so I’ve heard. Attempting to apply to the free tier of azure dev ops just gives me a prompt saying I can’t use a free tier even though I’m a student. Safe to say I’m pretty new to this and would appreciate some grace if what I’m saying sounds a bit ignorant to those who’ve done this before.

No I mean like on the signup page it says I can’t use a free tier

Ohhhhhh

No no you’re right it was azure

Not azure devops

I’ll try it out with the guide

Thank you

I was told so many times on the Reddit that perforce was the answer

It was such a head scratcher

Yeah that’s what I thought

Understand

[jaunty hornet]

My P4V client keeps trying connecting to an older server every time I launch it, does anyone know how to remove it?

[wide raven]

maybe this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4316173/how-can-i-clear-the-list-of-recent-connections-from-perforce-p4v

[jaunty hornet]

thanks I'll look into that

[sour heart]

hello, anyone here fluent in synology nas ? 😄

Ok so, my issue is I am trying to have my perforce server on my NAS, it's installed it works fine, except it's installed via docker/container manager deep in the roots of the nas system

that goes like <var/packages/containermanager/blabla/.../sdkojfgoiwejg34g545g3gg475/_data/p4depot>
And since i can't move it just like that out of there I have to make a map for it to make it visible in a shared folder on the synology,

But the problem is I don't know which folder and what to write under the specified map value to make it show, because every time i try and run the container it maps the files/folders inside the mapped folder and it crashed/shuts down and breaks so I have to remake the docker image again and start over from scratch.
I looked all over the internet, I can't find anything regarding this and am close to loosing all hope...

First I tried with git, since git has a package ready on nas, but the problem with it, it doesn't come with LFS so, i tried manually installing it, it gives me errors to oblivion

and found many people having issues with git so it came down to perforce at the end

[pulsar parcel]

which docker image are you using?

that might be helpful

[sour heart]

well yea, but every time i use github desktop app, every time I try to upload a file above 100mb it gives a prompt to push

[sour heart]

the one from Froyok

[pulsar parcel]

I was more thinking of a URL to the page

[sour heart]

https://www.froyok.fr/blog/2018-09-setting-up-perforce-with-docker-for-unreal-engine-4/

[pulsar parcel]

2018

[sour heart]

that's the newest i could find

which one do you prefer ?

also I am setting it up for other people to work on it with me so it's not just local

[pulsar parcel]

Fork is the best one for Git imo

[sour heart]

can you link ?

[pulsar parcel]

it's nagware

but it's fine

[pulsar parcel]

And iirc there's an official one? There's at least official server images on AWS/Azure

https://hub.docker.com/r/perforce/helix-swarm and there is

It's a shame I just moved so I don't have my Synology back yet, but iirc in the mount points you need to specify what the file path is in the container, and which volume it actually maps to

oh damn I didn't read the swarm part

[sour heart]

well the file path is what I don't know, I can pretty much use the perforce i set up now, it compeltely works, but as I said it's deep in the roots and I need it close

[pulsar parcel]

there are more up to date third party docker images on docker hub, that official one is just swarm so ignore that

[sour heart]

I've no idea how to work with swarm, I just need a version control server and that's it

[pulsar parcel]

swarm is a code review tool that perforce provides

therefore, not relevant

but with the volume settings in the Synology control panel, you would have the volume on your NAS it maps a directory to, so I'm sure you're missing something in the middle text box

but I don't have a currently accessible NAS to confirm

if it's not being mapped properly, then you have a pretty ephemeral version control system

[jaunty hornet]

@sour heart Hey hey, I set up P4V on Synology with container manager, hold on let me check your messages

[sour heart]

Yeah I tried something like _data/d4depot or something, it does add folders, but it crashes

I am just looking for the correct wording

other than that on my local pc it connects peafully

[jaunty hornet]

This is how I set it up

ugh wait, HDR is screwing up the screenshot, a minute

So the left /perforce is a shared folder created by the Synology NAS, the right is the location on the container

So you might be lacking the first /

[sour heart]

alright let me try that

[jaunty hornet]

What container image are you using?

[pulsar parcel]

probably that 2018 one lol

[jaunty hornet]

I migrated an older P4V server so I incorrectly used docker lol

[sour heart]

this one

[jaunty hornet]

By launching a Ubuntu container and modifying all kinds of stuff in it

[sour heart]

ok so this time it didn't crash, but it added the volume

[pulsar parcel]

https://hub.docker.com/r/ambakshi/perforce-server the froyok one uses this and it was last updated 3 years ago

[sour heart]

let me try and commit

[pulsar parcel]

which uses 2018.2. well that's ridiculously out of date

[jaunty hornet]

In the container terminal, you should be able to change directory with cd /perforce

If you add a test file to that shared folder, then you should also see it appear in the container terminal

[sour heart]

something like this

[jaunty hornet]

Yeah that seems correct, those items are default Synology things

The thing I found with the premade P4 server images is that they come preconfigured, which is obviously that point but I couldn't figure out how to adjust them for our needs

But I was migrating an existing P4 server

[sour heart]

so u pushed this but I don't see it in that shared perforce server it seems

does the value i put in the mappign has to be the same with the name of the shared folder ?

because via SSH I don't see any folder called /perforce in the root data folder

probably could be one of these

[jaunty hornet]

Where are you SSHed into?

The P4Server container or the Synology NAS?

[sour heart]

my synology

[jaunty hornet]

Ah, you shouldn't SSH into the NAS itself

But SSH into the container. (but that requires some extra setting up that I don't know how)

[sour heart]

hmm

[jaunty hornet]

You can open the terminal via Container Manager though

By right clicking it

[sour heart]

yeah and bash to it, but i am trying to find the proper folder to navigate

[jaunty hornet]

What folder are you exactly looking for?

[sour heart]

the one that stores the files in

so i can map it

[jaunty hornet]

Ok, you can find your server root with p4ctl list

[sour heart]

so far i found nothing of the files i commited

[jaunty hornet]

p4dctl is a useful cli command too

[sour heart]

says bash p4ctl doesn't exist

[jaunty hornet]

oh sorry

p4dctl list

with a D

I have the tendency to forget the d

[sour heart]

alright found it, apparently it's /data/p4depot

[jaunty hornet]

Right, now I don't know if it is possible to map a directory from a container to a shared folder

[sour heart]

nope it crashes

[jaunty hornet]

What you can try

in the directory /etc/perforce/p4dctl.conf.d you can find the configuration files for your P4 server

If you open it with an editor you should see something like this

You can try changing the P4ROOT value to the shared folder that was mounted to the image

[sour heart]

how do I open it

[jaunty hornet]

and then restart the container

use nano <filename>

if nano is not installed yet, do apt-get install nano

[sour heart]

apt-get is not found either

[jaunty hornet]

It's one of your first times working with Linux and command line?

apt install nano

[sour heart]

yep 😄

[jaunty hornet]

try that one

Hah, have fun, we all had to start somewhere 🙂

[sour heart]

apt not found either lol

i spent like a week trying to figure this out

[jaunty hornet]

welp....

Which image did you use?

[sour heart]

this one

it was the "newest" i could find that has some sort of a guide

oh i remember i have to use vi <file>

[jaunty hornet]

yes but that way (more) madness lies

ok

looking htrough the guide

You should try doing that? So on the left is the shared folder, and on the right it should be indeed /data

[sour heart]

i think just /data only crashes the server

yep it does

well now it's just dead dead, even if I take off the mapping

have to remake it

i'll try this one since it's new

[woven sluice]

Perforce hasn't had support for arm64 probably since around 2018.... Do docker containers somehow workaround that, I have never used docker stuff? Or is your synology one of the higher end ones with better architecture?

Just a fact I didn't see mentioned anywhere glancing through above...

@sour heart since I guess it's been an hour

[sour heart]

well I have a DS423+ one and it's rather new so I have no idea

and I still haven't managed to set the mount

[jaunty hornet]

Fair point, I forgot about that

We got an x86 processor on our NAS

[sour heart]

https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/DS423+#features

actually the one i have is 64 bit

[woven sluice]

423+ looks like it has a Celeron so should be ok I think. As long as it is definitely the +

[jaunty hornet]

The other one has an processor with rtd1619b architecture which I haven'theard of at all

[woven sluice]

Way back when I installed it on my cheaper nas (back when it was possible) I did it the manual way as a package.

I think??? There's no official support for doing it with docker so I don't know why you would do that

[jaunty hornet]

Yeah, I did ours with a bare Ubuntu image and went through it the way I would with a VM

Which is not the correct docker philosophy

[sour heart]

https://clait.sh/posts/unreal-version-control/ i found this quite recent one, tho it requires to set up your own docker

tho, i don't have the energy for that right now...

[jaunty hornet]

Looks like a good tutorial, and actually makes me want to redo our own container so it's more robust lol

It's a good challenging introduction to the command line regardless lol

[crude flume]

everything worked

thanks

[late jungle]

So I'm working in a 3 person team and so far I was the only one doing C++ code. What I did was I would always submit the UE4Editor-projectname.dll and it would work on their end. Now one of them is doing some minor things in C++ sometimes and the first time it was fine. But now me and the third guy were having compile errors in BP (non existant node he made) and he has the same with a dll I submitted. Any idea what the cause could be?

[woven sluice]

someone using hot reload? someone not committing code files?

[late jungle]

No and no. But even if the code was not submitted it wouldn't matter until someone else tries to compile right? Our third guy has never used VS and also has the issue. The strange thing is that when I submit a dll it works for him. But not for the guy who compiled from source and neither can we use his submitted dll. So it's kind of inconsistent.

yea I did look into the different ways of setting this up in perforce when I joined the project. But as I was the only one doing any C++ I ended up manually submitting the dll every time lol. I could do what you suggest there, though building from source would take longer for non programmers than getting the dll from source control no? Or maybe it goes quicker without having to launch VS etc?

[late jungle]

Okay, is there a way to make it build when you sync instead of when the editor launches? It's good to know this is an option, but for now I'll try to figure out what the issue is because it would still be quicker to share the dll.

[pulsar parcel]

well UGS does that but that's dependent on a source build

in lieu of UGS/custom tooling, I'd really get a CI server to do builds

[late jungle]

yea I briefly looked into UGS. But we're a 3 person team with only one C++ programmer. It seemed like overkill. Seemed cool though!

Again, thanks for the input guys. I love this server.

[neat meteor]

Can someone help with Perforce? I only need to learn a couple of things. If i try to delete anything in the map like an Actor and save it when i reload the project those Actors/assets are still in the map how can i fix this? and same thing for if i delete assets or folders in the editor, again how do i fix this?

[pulsar parcel]

Source control integration enabled? Though that doesn't sound like source control stuff at all if changes aren't being written back to the file

[neat meteor]

I'll have to check if it is enabled.

[neat meteor]

I think the problem is i didn't have the workspace set in the unreal editor. I've been meaning to make it so i can see the workspace in the drop down menu but it hasn't so i manually typed it and i believe this will fix my issue.

[pulsar parcel]

if you had to manually type it, are you sure your project is under the workspace root?

[neat meteor]

What i said before did not fix the problem. How do i know if it is under the root?

[pulsar parcel]

edit your workspace, it shows the root

and then compare that to where your project is on disk

changes not getting saved is likely because perforce marks files not checked out as read only, but the editor should display an error when it's trying to write to a write protected file

[neat meteor]

Should the root be the Project folder itself, or the folder before that? C:\Users\Harry\Documents\P4_Workspace\Harry_Resurrection that is my current root, But my game folder is called Resurrection

wait i know which one

[pulsar parcel]

either really, but at least the latter makes switching to a source build a little easier

in case you have to do that in the future

[neat meteor]

I've run on source build before i don't think it's necessary. Takes too long to compile in my experience. It's still not displaying the workspace in unreal engine.

I appreciate the help by the way.

[pulsar parcel]

show where your uproject is and show what the workspace setting is in p4v

[pulsar parcel]

people still hide file extensions in windows?

[neat meteor]

sorry

[pulsar parcel]

but on based on what I see, then it shoudl show up in the editor

does the log say anything?

[pulsar parcel]

also you should not version the sln

and why is there a subdirectory with the project name in it within the project root?

[neat meteor]

Oh i changed the workspace root to from Harry_Ressurection to P4_Workspaces, and then it changed that way

Not sure how to change it back

[pulsar parcel]

I'm not sure why you would do that

the screenshot you showed me in p4v is correct

[neat meteor]

I followed a couple tutorials on how to setup P4 nothing was said about not having the sln in version control

[neat meteor]

You suggested checking the workspace location so i changed it a couple times to see if that would fix the issue. Just experimenting.

I read something online about moving the config file, and that will solve the issue i'm having with unreal not seeing the work space. Not sure if that will fix the deleting things issue though.

[pulsar parcel]

which config file?

[neat meteor]

This is from an old post on forums unreal. from 2014

I updating user and port through cmd aswell as the typemap. I think the info i used might have been an issue.

[neat meteor]

Here is my revision control log from the editor. I'm guessing i need to set up the client

Though it is saying it is connected.

[pulsar parcel]

"client" can refer to the workspace

since that's what P4CLIENT refers to

[neat meteor]

okay, and i can set that in the cmd

[neat meteor]

I'm thinking maybe i should go through Perforce again and reset everything and follow a different method. I was just reading i don't need to add every file from the project

2 errors reported
open for read: C:\Users\Harry\Documents\P4_Workspace\Resurrection.sln: The system cannot find the file specified.
Submit aborted -- fix problems then use 'p4 submit -c 24'.
Some file(s) could not be transferred from client.

I am now getting these errors since adding the client, and also i manually added the workspace as it is still doesn't show up in the editor.

Would you be able to leave me with a good link where i can set up perforce for unreal?

[pulsar parcel]

client and workspace mean the same thing

[neat meteor]

i meant adding the client in cmd for th p4 info list, and client in the editor manually.

forgive my terminology.

Would you be able to leave me with a link for how to set up perforce with unreal correctly? pretty please 🙂

[pulsar parcel]

I don't know why you would expect me to have a link ready to go

There are processes I'm used to from previous studios, and setting it up is just something I know how to do

Also you can usually tell if typing in the name of the workspace manually works because it'll show source control status indicators on files and the revision history on a single file will work like it does in p4v

[neat meteor]

well it's working then.

[neat meteor]

I appreciate the assitance, I managed to fix the issue.

[ripe skiff]

i usually delete the "saved" and "Intermediate" folders after closing the project, i was told it's bc UE5 doesnt save it to the "hard disk" sometimes and causes a problem like that,and this has fixed that for me multiple times in the past. if its already a C++ project as well then go ahead and delete the "Binaries" folder as well to force it to rebuild the engine

[pulsar parcel]

This is excessive and not really useful advice. Changes get written to the uasset files as long as the engine is able to check it out

[woven sluice]

That's completely horrible advice (sorry, sounds like you were misled), you're resetting all of your settings every time you erase Saved folder and just spending way more time needlessly rebuilding any code products

[wide raven]

My understanding so far, please correct me if this is all wrong

• Regenerating Solution is needed when c++ changes significantly ( new functions, structs etc )
• Deleting Intermediate I always do before regen solution out of habit - maybe it is not necessary? ( I have a batch script that does it. ) Can solve odd issues from time to time
• Deleting Saved as a whole indeed is wrong advice, I have been guilty of that
• Deleting Binaries - I have had that help on rare occasions when my autobuilder gets stuck on some cases, not sure what the exact reasoning is

[pulsar parcel]

Intermediate is only helpful when you have cryptic issues with building your project. But yeah, you need to regen the solution when you add new code files or make changes to Build.cs

[wide raven]

updated post

wow

[pulsar parcel]

pretty much all of Intermediate gets overwritten if you rebuild anyway

and make sure you don't version it or the fake VS project/solution files

[chrome badge]

How do I resolve merges with files marked for delete?

just merging says that the file is missing somewhere (because it's deleted) so how do I handle those?

[pulsar parcel]

how did that even happen

[chrome badge]

I don't know

[pulsar parcel]

not using +l on uassets?

[chrome badge]

I had my team lead rearrange the file structure

and I'm trying to pull down from our main source

it looks liek they had no problem

but I have a ton of merge errors for everything that's marked as delete in the main source

[pulsar parcel]

well for that you must have had them checked out right?

[chrome badge]

me?

[pulsar parcel]

yes

[chrome badge]

I don't think so

[pulsar parcel]

well how does the conflict happen then if you don't have them checked out

[chrome badge]

they woulda checked it out

maybe it was hmm

it shouldn't have been though

[pulsar parcel]

weird to not use a move operation for it though so it retains the original history

[chrome badge]

well I think they're new to perforce too

though some of it is just from in the engine editor

[pulsar parcel]

might be hard to diagnose the problem without knowing what your general workflow is and what the problem looks like visually

[chrome badge]

mm

well is there a way to dump my work strema and just pull the main one?

I think that might be easier

I have literally no new work

I just wanted to pull down

[pulsar parcel]

well if you made no changes? a revert will probably work. if you did? might be easier to create a shelf and revert

[chrome badge]

mm but the revert doesn't get the higher streams changes

I'm saying I want changes, I want their changes

[pulsar parcel]

and this is why I was asking about workflow

[chrome badge]

well idk what to tell you on that

[pulsar parcel]

well with perforce, you generally do trunk style development where everyone is working in the same branch (or stream)

[chrome badge]

is that so? so we've definitly not done that

we each have a stream

And they are parented to a primary stream

and I want to update my stream to the primary stream

[pulsar parcel]

and what type of streams are they?

[chrome badge]

regular? I'm not sure what types there are

[pulsar parcel]

but really, that's kinda counterproductive with p4. dev streams are usually fairly rare occurences

[chrome badge]

I see

well I'll have to bring it up at a meeting

[pulsar parcel]

the streams tab will tell you since there are a few types

[chrome badge]

I think the other guys are new to perforce too and just know GIT

but they've been incharge for a lot of the set up

ok they're development streams

and I'm pulling from another development stream that is parented to a mainline stream

[pulsar parcel]

the parent relationship doesn't mean much for those, only really for task streams

task streams are the most lightweight option and are just stored as deltas of the parent

[chrome badge]

so you would recomend we all work on the same stream?

[pulsar parcel]

yes, though I would just copy Epic's workflow wholesale

[chrome badge]

do you have a link for that? I'd like to bring this stuff up then.

[pulsar parcel]

since there's a bit more added nuiance with things like release branches and their custom tooling which is available to licensees (UGS/RoboMerge)

[pulsar parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4RcDpGQ_tI

[chrome badge]

thanks

back to the issue though. should I just empty my stream and pull from the dev parent?

it seems like the dev branch has all I want

and my stream has nothing worthwhile

[pulsar parcel]

well if you have no risk of losing work, you could just do a copy rather than a merge

a copy is essentially resetting everything to the state of the CL/branch you're pulling from

[chrome badge]

ok

that makes sense

i'm getting an inkling that the team is using perforce the wrong way

that's rough, I wish I had a better understanding of it

everything seems so esoteric

hmm when I copied down I got a ton of " Can't clobber writable file" errors

I'm not sure what that even means

oh I see

I did set a bunch of thing not read only because I suspected it might help and it needs to be read only

Cannot submit half of a moved file pair.
Submit aborted -- fix problems then use 'p4 submit -c 148'.

what files would be paired?

[pulsar parcel]

clobbering is when a file is writeable locally, but was changed in the sync

[pulsar parcel]

I guess this is a changelist which contains a move. you submitted the add half but not the delete

or vice versa

[chrome badge]

hmm

so my team meber says he fixed it so I reverted everything and it looks fixed

wonder what the deal was

[pulsar parcel]

well you can see what the CL looks like

[woven sluice]

not really helping here but fwiw technically by many standards your team is using perforce the correct way, generically speaking

it's game dev, unreal, and the presence of 99% non-mergeable binary file contents (and a direct 1:1 reliance between those files and the textual code files) that makes the "correct" way "wrong" for us

[chrome badge]

yeah so it's wrong for unreal which is what we're working on but thanks

I think we'll have to work more on learning the ins and outs better

I honestly am very confused by perforce pretty much all the time

I thought I fixed things but then it slowly updated and undid everything

I didn't even know that it could do that

[wide raven]

Brief primer:

• Never edit any .uassets without checking it out immediately

• why?

1. It makes sure you have the latest version of it
2. It ensures you have a lock on it -> makes sure nobody else edits at the same time resulting in conflicts and lost work

[wide raven]

More perforce best practices:

• before submit, close unreal ( this makes sure all changed files are saved and checked out. )
• then, look at your changelist and make sure it looks sane ( no unnecessary files changed )
• Name the CL clearly for future reference

This may vary from dev to dev but I prefer

• Mainline should always be working, never broken
• Hide broken features behind feature flags, so devs can work on them without QA having to deal with broken areas
• Submits should be done daily - because perforce doesn't do granular incremental branching very well, we prefer people to submit w.i.p. every day

Finally:

• set up Jenkins or similar autobuilder, and have it package on every change : this will catch silly errors like missing files from commits early, saving time and stress
• set up Jenkins to do Nightly Builds, so QA can check completed tickets every day

[ebon sand]

is there a guide explaining how to use a local repo using git on unreal engine?
I'm only finding github and remote repos online

[pulsar parcel]

just init a new repo in your favourite git client? though I'm not sure why you don't want a remote

[chrome badge]

Well i'm not sure if anyone ont he team would know how to do that unfortunetly

[ebon sand]

I'm the only programmer, everyone else just on their side doing their things whenever they can, plus my wifi is very bad
The source control could be a handy tool for me, but there is few guides on how to use it alone and with no need to be connected to the internet

[pulsar parcel]

well with git's decentralised nature, you would just init locally and commit locally to that, but you should be at least pushing to remote periodically

since yeah, you have revision control, but you still have a single point of failure

[ebon sand]

I'd still save the whole project every now and then, but at least if I mess up, I don't have to search my external drive for which save etc

[woven sluice]

it sounds like your team isn't using any source control, which is horrifically scary if true

[wide raven]

I've taught a couple of brief VR focus projects for years-long gamedev school courses and have been horrified to see version control not included in the basic curriculum. So I asked the classwork projects be submitted to me via github/plastic.

Should really be in the 101 list for people to learn

[molten fog]

I'm trying to set up source control (GIT). Never used it before. Do I have to select a specific file on the right in Solution explorer to include the whole project?
Or why am I getting an error like this?

I'm very new to C++ as well, and have been doing BP for 1 year or so.

[wind gazelle]

you can use that wizard i guess (never tried it myself) make sure the path is the folder with uproject (project root)
check the gitignore template if there is unreal engine one use it (otherwise just download ue gitignore later) https://github.com/github/gitignore
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/version-control/git-create-repository?view=vs-2022

[molten fog]

Seems there is

Must the repo path be the same folder as uproject? Thought I was basically just creating a copy somewhere else, and could keep it clean.

[wind gazelle]

well, if you want whole project to be versioned then keeping project root and repository root same is a must
but for example if developing plugin i have git repository in my plugin folder (plugin folder is repo root) and project is ignored/not versioned

[molten fog]

Okay. I want the entire project. So root path is certainly important. Thank you 😄

Doing all this because I need to upgrade UE version after etc. So full "backup" is key.

[wind gazelle]

also, i never used VS GIT integration as it used to be very broken back in the days. dunno how is it now
there are plenty of fancy git frontends (like sourcetree,tortoisegit,smartgit) to complement git console.

as well as docs

[molten fog]

Those are VS integrations to replace built in GIT, or external programs?

[wind gazelle]

just standalone apps, VS also uses git for windows and not own git library

[molten fog]

From Unreal editor? You mean open up unreal where I edit BP's etc.?

[wind gazelle]

my toolset is git for windows console (when i'm not lazy) and tortoisegit (whem im lazy) 😄

[molten fog]

I certainly don't know what I'm doing, so I'll try the first one

Console command, or is there a window for source control somewhere?

Just hit accept with the beta version and no path I guess? For it to offer to make one?

[pulsar parcel]

"git path" is the path to the git.exe executable, not related to the project path. if you have installed git and it's on PATH, iirc that also works

[molten fog]

Think I have. Checking

Hmm, seems not. So I should install GIT on my pc first.

Oh, I remember I stopped because of this. Is this where I should get Google git fork first?

It has a tip to not use the Vim because it is very hard to use, and Visual Studio Code is not the same as just Visual Studio as far as I understand.

[pulsar parcel]

this doesn't really matter

[molten fog]

Oh okay

So now it found the path itself.

I initialize or just accept settings?

[pulsar parcel]

I would really do that part externally tbh, but sure

I use Fork as my Git client

[molten fog]

Was told it was easiest through Unreal because I'm very new to this.

And sure to Initialize or "Accept settings"?

[pulsar parcel]

Well I dunno who told you, but it's easy enough to use an external client to initialise and most important, setup the remote repo

[molten fog]

In this message, just a screen or so higher in the chat.

Sorry to ping you Laura. Hope you don't mind.

What is LFS?

External server?

Just want it simple. My first project, and working solo, so if local is easiest I'd prefer that.

[pulsar parcel]

you will still want to have a remote since with a local repo there is still a single point of failure (your machine)

[molten fog]

Right, but when I zip project for backup purpose it's around 15GB. Saw I can only have 500mb or so free remote storage for this.

[pulsar parcel]

from which provider?

[molten fog]

Github I think.

[pulsar parcel]

well there ya go

[molten fog]

almost certain. Only one I checked.

[pulsar parcel]

ADO Repos have much higher limits

[molten fog]

I have a dropbox for example. Can't I just copy/clone my work to there along with the backups I already do to avoid single point of failure?

Right, so in that case I don't need LFS right?

Not sure how "remote" works. If it must be to a server, or if it is also called remote when just another copy in Dropbox

Right, okay.
But ideally (almost dumb not to), I should sign up for Azure DevOps is what you are saying?

Right.

Just feel like I'm digging myself deeper and deeper into more work and setup. Might be one of the final things I need to do though.

Which I can do with just clones in my dropbox?

along with zipped backups too?

bother with what? Dropbox?

Ah, I see. Have been doing them up until now since I did not have source control

Right.
So for now I hit "Initialize project with Git" in the window right?

With no LFS

Right. Thank you.

Right. And because I'm local I don't do push/pulls. Just commits and perhaps branches?

Maybe except for Dropbox backup thing. Not sure in that case.

Oh, and I still need to get Google Git fork on top of GIT right?
Mainly a UI I guess.

Oh, just called "fork" maybe. My bad 😄

Right right. I get it now. A bit slow, haha.

Thank you.

[pulsar parcel]

terrible name for a git client because it does make it harder to google

but it's one of the better git UIs out there

[molten fog]

Sourcetree seems to be free. Honestly a factor in my small project.

[pulsar parcel]

so is Fork, it just has a nag screen

WinRAR style, but it doesn't show up that often

[molten fog]

I'm not ready to switch fully to C++ from BPs anyway so shouldn't be that often for me.

Right, but I might just be working in Unreal editor most days?

Or is that bad practice?
I would have to open Fork and do commits each time?

(after each feature etc.)

So I can commit even from UE editor?

Okay. Thank you. 🙂

[wide raven]

I just keep the .uproject file in perpetual checkout, but the regedit trick is probably the best practice

[narrow depot]

anyone use docker for unreal?

sorry for cross posting will delete the other one

just want to know if its worth taking the time to install

I heard its like google docs for coding

[merry verge]

what? that's not at all what docker is

[narrow depot]

isnt it like working simutaniosly on the same project?

[merry verge]

no

it has nothing to do with that

[narrow depot]

can you describe what it is used for? just heard of it today

[merry verge]

generally for running continuous integration builds or server processes in a clean environment with a list of required dependencies

[narrow depot]

alr i see

[odd phoenix]

Hello, I am having a problem with git, when a friend advances in visual studio and makes a push, it does not compile for me but it does for him, what could be the reason for the error?

[wide raven]

If there are c++ changes, you must regenerate solution

[molten fog]

I'm so sorry to keep bothering you. Maybe I should switch to Sourcetree because the "Fork" name is impossible to find resources for on youtube, since the name implies actual source control functions.
Anyway.

I made a small change (Enum) just to test and get a feel of how this stuff works.
I see it highlighted in green.
Do I somehow do a commit from here? Maybe "stage" it first, and then a "commit" somehow?

Also, it says Head detached at the top. Feels important, but might not be.

Tried just hitting "Source Control" from the bottom right corner in UE editor (figured that is where I would have options for commits etc.)
That just made it load for a long time before crashing.

I see.

So in my case I would "stage" things in fork at this point. Then do a commit somewhere?

Oh okay.

I hit stage, that made the file a "green plus sign", and then I hit commit where?

I'll get sourcetree. Can't expect you to babysit me all the way. The information so far has been gold, and if I can stage/commit etc. anywhere I can look up tutorials for sourcetree and take it from there.
Huge thank you. 🙏

[surreal python]

Hello !

I was wondering if some people have found an equivalent to UGS when working with git ? Especially for the workflow where people would not compile the source code and use precompiled binaries. Is it something achievable with Git and another tool ? Thanks 🙂

[woven sluice]

you can ping this guy (elemental code), and try to say things that make him more angry at ugs and perforce to keep going on this tool https://twitter.com/MiltonCandelero/status/1727010687980097837

Milton (elementalcode) (@MiltonCandelero) on X

Unreal Game Sync: Git is taking shape 👀
#UnrealEngine #UGSG

Twitter · Nov 21, 2023, 5:06 PM

[runic summit]

What is the best practice for version control in terms of upgrading project versions - do you just note down what changelists are between what versions - like "CL <324 is 5.2, everything >3.24 is 5.3 and can't be reverted (without going into 5.2 seperately)

[woven sluice]

no need to do anything

the engine version is part of the project

[surreal python]

Thanks I'll look at this !

[neat grotto]

When I upgrade the engine for my projects — which is really just switching the version for the .uproject file — I commit that as "Upgrade to Unreal Engine version x.x.x".

I have no idea if that lines up with best practices.

[torpid token]

Heyo, did anyone find out how to set multi-user editor revising ? Wanna work on the same lvl with my friend, so multi-user editor is probly the only way ? But its such pain in the .... atm.

[runic summit]

I see - so if you could ascertain the labyrinthine filter setup that is Perforce, you could effectively create a "version filter" by using dates between those uproject revision change lists

[runic summit]

Thank you for following up on this, I appreciate it

[molten fog]

I'm still trying to do my first commit from UE Editor.

I can get to this point where it ticks all the files. Every time I try to submit the entire thing eventually crashes with an out of memory message. Tried lowering settings, closing viewport, closing all other applications without luck.

Can I just tick some of the shown files for the first commit, and then select the rest for the next commit? (assuming breaking it in half is small enough chunks)

Oh okay, then I might have misunderstood your message.
My bad.

Right, I see.

I'm not sure if it is because I have way too much stuff to commit at this point. When I hit commit in sourcetree nothing happens. 8k+ files though.

Or in fork (which I think you use) I don't see a commit button:

[pulsar parcel]

it's at the bottom right

and you have to write a commit subject at the very minimum

and you'll want to make sure you stage all your changes

[molten fog]

Thank you!

Now something happens at least 🙂

[pulsar parcel]

Build/Windows/FileOpenOrder should probably be in the .gitignore too

(but not Build/ like all those template gitignores have)

[molten fog]

To ignore more things I need to add text lines to the .gitignore file?

[pulsar parcel]

yes, I think Fork can add stuff for you too

[molten fog]

I hit the commit before I saw your message so I'll let it chew on current task for a minute first.

[pulsar parcel]

that's alright, you can safely delete those files anyway as they're generated

[molten fog]

Seems like it worked at least. Now I have a master branch finally

I still have a bunch of local changes. Is that normal?

Thought those would go to 0

First 2 being the logs?

[pulsar parcel]

in Fork, you can right click the "FileOpenOrder" directory in the tree to add it to your gitignore very easily

as for the rest of it, stage your changes before hitting commit

[molten fog]

this one right?

[pulsar parcel]

Build isn't just generated files

but yes, you can add that manually or through that option

Build typically contains configuration and application icons for various platforms

Various manifests for console platforms

(which aren't generated at build time)

[molten fog]

So should I go find the file for the first commit (where I didn't exclude those) and delete it to start fresh?

Or just add it to ignore file for future commits?

[pulsar parcel]

an automation project if you use one

well you didn't commit it because you didn't stage it

[molten fog]

Oh, so I basically didn't commit anything?

Just created an empty master?

[pulsar parcel]

you shared this image

you commited the files in the bottom part

where it says staged

anything in the top part (unstaged), you didn't

[molten fog]

I see

[pulsar parcel]

you can select files from the unstaged section, click stage, and then it'll move to the staged section

and that what goes into your commit

[molten fog]

But then who decided what was staged in the first place?
Guess that was based on the ignore file somehow?

[pulsar parcel]

you do

[molten fog]

I doubt I manually did it somehow.

[pulsar parcel]

unreal might have done it partially when you tried to submit via the editor

[molten fog]

Might have hit stage to the entire thing or something like that.

okay. But just to understand, if I try to stage something that is in the ignore file. Will it not just avoid staging it too? (and that way avoid commit)

[pulsar parcel]

if it's in your .gitignore, it shouldn't show up in "unstaged" to begin with

[molten fog]

Right, it disappeared now that I added config to .ignore too. That makes sense.

And the local changes number (marked in red) is normal and does not mean I need to commit more stuff to get it up to date?

The old/new on the right marked with blue also seems to indicate there is a difference?

[pulsar parcel]

anything listed here isn't committed

so that's the number of files that have changes that have not been committed

in Fork, you'll also see an up arrow with a number on it next to the branch name, that'll be how many unpushed commits you have

[molten fog]

Okay, so I basically select everything like this, then hit "stage", and once it is in the staged section, I commit? (adding subject and description, then hitting "commit")

[pulsar parcel]

pretty much

and then you can push the commit(s)

[molten fog]

Right, that requires I set up the remote stuff right first though. Not certain about that part.

[pulsar parcel]

anything in the staged section is what is in your commit

[molten fog]

Tried a bit unconventional remote folder in my Dropbox instead of online.

[pulsar parcel]

just use something like Azure ADO, that's free for 5 users

[molten fog]

but my concern is storage. My project is already 15GB when zipped. Is that not an issue?

I would have to pay at some point I think.

[pulsar parcel]

iirc the limit doesn't affect LFS artifacts, but I haven't put a project that large on it

[molten fog]

Maybe it's because a regular zip includes everything. No ignore file etc. for that.

literally just did a "Zip project" from UE editor.

[pulsar parcel]

well yeah, that'll include a lot of junk from Intermediate/DDC/etc

[molten fog]

You are my hero for helping me with this stuff. I've been a little mad child for a week figthing with this stuff. 😄
So massive thank you.

To Laura too.

Now I have 2 commits, and no local changes. Seems like how it should be, except for a push to a remote I guess.

I have a remote (dropbox). Might be set up right, and I just never got to this point because of not knowing how to do commits.

Should I select something specific before hitting push?

Master maybe?

[molten fog]

I did run those yeah.

Generated some git files if I remember right.

Yeah it did

[molten fog]

It tried for a long time (guessing because it was first time), but in the end failed with the following message:

remote: Resolving deltas: 99% (4402/4446)
remote: Resolving deltas: 100% (4446/4446)
remote: Resolving deltas: 100% (4446/4446), done.
remote: error: refusing to update checked out branch: refs/heads/master
remote: error: By default, updating the current branch in a non-bare repository
remote: is denied, because it will make the index and work tree inconsistent
remote: with what you pushed, and will require 'git reset --hard' to match
remote: the work tree to HEAD.
remote:
remote: You can set the 'receive.denyCurrentBranch' configuration variable
remote: to 'ignore' or 'warn' in the remote repository to allow pushing into
remote: its current branch; however, this is not recommended unless you
remote: arranged to update its work tree to match what you pushed in some
remote: other way.
remote:
remote: To squelch this message and still keep the default behaviour, set
remote: 'receive.denyCurrentBranch' configuration variable to 'refuse'.
To C:\Users\chrri\Dropbox\Alteration TD\RemoteBackup.git
! [remote rejected] master -> master (branch is currently checked out)
error: failed to push some refs to 'C:\Users\chrri\Dropbox\Alteration TD\RemoteBackup.git'

Do you think I somehow have to make a master branch in the Dropbox first?

Will do. Good point.

[long mural]

getting this issue

Failed to perform checkout on agent: p4 error: "Translation of file content failed near line 39758 file E:\BuildAgent3\work\6d833ab50a6dd8d6\Engine\Content\Localization\Category\ko\t16836t47296t37.tmp

not sure why

[pulsar parcel]

right click the file in p4v and select "change filetype", is it the correct encoding?

[long mural]

sec

i dont see .tmp here

@pulsar parcel

[pulsar parcel]

It's one of the files in the directory. That's just a temp filename it downloads to

Probably the po or archive

[long mural]

Failed to perform checkout on agent: p4 error: "Translation of file content failed near line 39758 file E:\BuildAgent3\work\6d833ab50a6dd8d6\Engine\Content\Localization\Category\ko\Category.archive

what should the filetype be?

nothing else is complaigning

and its the same

@pulsar parcel

[pulsar parcel]

I would guess utf8 over 16

[molten fog]

That worked. Thank you!

Any last considerations before I try and upgrade my engine version from 5.0 to the newest? (source control wise in particular)

I assume now I can just try and download the new engine,
-> Open up my project
-> Fix stuff if anything needs fixing
-> If I for some reason run into problems I can't overcome, I install 5.0 again
-> I revert commits to match before I upgraded engine version?

Good point. Still need to test that.

So that is like creating a new branch and doing a pull to it right?

Well an entirely new project instead actually

@late thicket
Any of the following the right approach then?

1. I do a Clone like in the screenshot where I fill in my Dropbox URL as the Repository URL, set a folder, and set a name (that name will define project name and basically create a whole new project right?)

2. I create a new project through Unreal Engine with name etc. based on the same template. After that I open the repository with fork, and pull from the Dropbox. That should create the same game, but under a new project name. Which would mean I could start from scratch (or from point saved in Dropbox rather) the same way in the future if I need to reset.

Thank you.

[quaint obsidian]

https://github.com/ProjectBorealis/PBSync

[molten fog]

It worked. Except for 2 things that might not be important.

When I tried to load the new backed up project in EU editor it said some "files" (might remember the wording incorrectly) was missing. It asked if I would like it to build the missing stuff and I clicked yes. From there it worked like the old project.

• No reason for concern right?

Secondly, the file size of the two folders (new and old project) is significantly different. Screenshot is after the Engine built the missing files.

• Also no reason for concern? Might be temporary files or shaders or something?

Not sure if this is what you are asking. What is taking up those extra Gigs?
Compared the Intermediate in screenshot and those are like 3 Gb's different. Entire folder is around 15 Gb's different though.

"Saved" folder is 10,5 Gb different roughly.

17 GB difference in total.
Saved is 10,5 of them
Intermediate is 3 of them
Binaries is 0,7 of them
.vs is 2,2 of them (new project from backup don't even have such a fodler)

That is almost all of it. Content folder is identical, source folder too, script too.
Seems like not a big deal as far as I can tell.

[surreal python]

have you tested that tool ?

[quaint obsidian]

i make it and use it on a big team :D

[surreal python]

I'll look at it thanks !

[neat grotto]

Just wanted to report back on this: my client was finally ready to switch from Git to Perforce. I just finished the migration this afternoon, and everything is in place. The only issue is it seems my client may have to pull down a fresh copy of all the files. Even if I configure a workspace with the folder where his project is already located, P4V says "file not in depot" for every file. I am guessing this is some sort of revision conflict.

Also worth noting for others who may be interested in using the transfer script: it will not transfer commit timestamps. Once the transfer is complete, changelist timestamps will instead reflect when they were transferred.

[olive rock]

Had anyone dealt with a TLS connection error when connecting to their SSL perforce server?

[neat grotto]

What error is P4V giving you when you try to connect?

[olive rock]

SSL connect to ssl: myip: 1666 failed .
Remove SSL protocol prefix from P4PORT or fix the TLS settings.

[woven sluice]

if it's a real problem for the client, p4 sync -k should IIRC tell the server "sync my workspace state on the server's end without actually doing any of the file transfer work" ... not sure if that's what you're describing for your problem or not. otherwise a new workspace when just created is "empty" from the server's perspective. (sorry if i misunderstood anything and am being irrelevant)

[neat grotto]

Oh, interesting. The -k flag tells the server to sync only metadata then? That might be exactly what I need.

[woven sluice]

yeah it should be exactly for cases like this... like prepopulating the [workspace] folder with the project files from a non-p4-server source

can't say i've used it much our little indie project only takes 5-10 mins so i don't bother 😄

[neat grotto]

It's not a deal breaker re-downloading the files, per se, but it's a very large repo. I was hoping to tell my client he can simply continue where he left off once P4V is downloaded and a workspace is set up.

[olive rock]

I used the: p4d -r /p4/1/root -c "set ssl.tls.version.min=11"

commands (max and min) and ".client.tls" version max/min on the server. Setting values to 12 (min) and 13 (max) for both. But I still can't connect

[neat grotto]

Are you trying to connect to a Perforce server that doesn't use SSL? Were you able to connect previously? If so, what might have changed?

[olive rock]

It is encrypted, so, using SSL. And I could connect previously. What changed is maybe a server update? E.g., new perforce server version

[neat grotto]

My client's project is 30 GB. Heh.

[olive rock]

https://www.perforce.com/manuals/p4sag/Content/P4SAG/superuser.tls.html
https://www.perforce.com/manuals/cmdref/Content/CmdRef/configurables.alphabetical.html#ssl.client.tls.version.min

Was my reference

[neat grotto]

Did your SSL certificate expire? In my experience that gives a different error, but it's worth ruling out.

[olive rock]

According to info it says it won’t expire until 2026

I can connect from the server computer (e.g., via a local IP) (server computer has a client version). But not from other computers even on same network

[neat grotto]

@woven sluice Hell yes, that worked like a charm. Thank you!

[woven sluice]

np... sidenote, 30 GB isn't supermegamassive... did you enable parallel sync (would you want to if you didn't)?

[neat grotto]

A glorious day awaits me. I have had zero issues using GitHub for Unreal with my own solo projects, but this client has gotten nothing but grief. He gets errors and sync issues with LFS every other week.

[woven sluice]

parallel sync is "bad" because you lose the progress indicator, but i've found sync speeds change from like 20 Mb/s to 150-200 Mb/s

[neat grotto]

I forget about parallel sync. I did not explicitly enable it, so unless it is on by default...

[woven sluice]

nope

[neat grotto]

Faster syncs might be nice for this client since he adds a lot of large Marketplace packs, but even without parallel sync, this is going to be an improvement.

Not sure I am willing to give up the progress bar; especially for my client.

He's not super savvy about version control.

I want to make sure things are as easy as possible for him.

[woven sluice]

yeah it's a choice. 5-10x less time spent syncing, but with the frustration that you don't know how long it's going to take 😂 might be something to inform them of and suggest only enabling it after they get comfortable

baby steps etc

[neat grotto]

Yeah, that's a good approach.

Once he is comfortable with Perforce, if he complains about long syncs, I will have parallel sync in my back pocket.

[jolly fog]

Hey guys, i feel like version control make rename and delete folder so hard. Can i turn it off for a while then turn it back on?

[wide raven]

Please don't

There's only really one thing to remember when renaming stuff : Never Ever just change a letter from Capitalized to uncapitalized or vice versa, that inevitably causes problems ( f.ex myBlueprint to MyBlueprint ) -> ( must do it in two steps : myBlueprint -> myBlueprint2 -> MyBlueprint )

[wide raven]

But if you can point out what is causing you pain, we can ponder it more

[wide raven]

Oh yeah : do the Renaming in Unreal, not in File Explorer - otherwise things will certainly get confusing. And remember to Fix Up Redirectors!

[gusty plank]

Hey, sorry to tag you, I'm having the same issue. Did you find what the issue was?

[woven sluice]

are you using perforce and getting angwery over the fact that it has to slowly contact the server to check out every single alteration you make? yes, it gets rather annoying if you're doing a lot of it. technically yes you could turn it off, do your modifications, close unreal, reconcile in P4V to capture all of your changes, reopen unreal, and carry on. i wouldn't do it unless you were really, really doing a lot, and you would have to be careful about conflicting with teammates' work...

[molten fog]

Clone worked and so I upgraded UE to newest (5.3.2)

Everything seems to work which is great. However Unreal editor only gave me the choice to copy project when opening with the new version to avoid risking ruining the existing project I guess. Which is actually kind of them.

However that means I ended up with a new folder for the project in UE 5.3.

How do I go about it source control wise?

1. It's bad to change the repository folder right?

2. Alternatively I could delete all the files in the old folder (the one used for repository), and paste in all files that were created in the new "copy folder" ?

3. I could set up a new repository using the new copy folder, and then have 0 history and go from there?

yeah

[jolly fog]

i use github desktop like everyone else

[jolly fog]

no I don't know what perforce is, and i work alone so i guess i can turn on/off freely i guess?

[wide raven]

version control will likely get a bit confused if you do things under it's radar

[wide raven]

Can you describe your problem in clear, step by step fashion

[woven sluice]

guess i'd better install github desktop immediately to fit in

[jolly fog]

normally when i rename a big folder with a lot of asset in it, it took quite a bit, like 30s or something. But with git on that went like 5-10 mins

i feel like that's too long to make sense

and move too

[wide raven]

That does sound like too much. As Laura said, as long as you do the rename in Unreal, git is another story. You can indeed disconnect it from Unreal, then perform the git steps separately. If that indeed takes 5-10 minutes, the likely cause would seem to be your internet connection

[jolly fog]

my internet is good though

but wait, that's online stuff?

i still have to commit and push later..?

is there any way to turn off the online feature if it is online

sure but it takes me 10 mins?

rename

if i do in Windows Explorer its instant ofc, but renaming in unreal took 10 mins

yeah i think that's what i am having right now

how do i not using that

just disconnect?

[woven sluice]

If I was solo with git I doubt I'd even connect unreal I guess

[jolly fog]

so basically i should only use the unreal integration to initial my git repo, then turn it off?

thanks, you saved me from a lot of trauma in the future

[wide raven]

I use unreal's source control mainly for checkouts and blueprint diffs - indeed it is in no way necessary

[wind gazelle]

@tame cape https://github.com/github/gitignore/blob/main/UnrealEngine.gitignore use this gitignore template

[tame cape]

thanks thats the one i was just checking

sorry source control really confuses me

[wind gazelle]

https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2

also you can see pins here for some articles or vids

[tame cape]

thanks. but pardon my ignorance, do we need to read this book to learn source control 🐱 💀 im just a cat making games

but if it must be then it must be 🐱

[wind gazelle]

knowing basics wouldnt hurt

at least partially for most basic use (what is git, what is commit/push/pull/branch)

[tame cape]

alright well get into it. i was told its essential to work in teams

though i have been working always alone

[wind gazelle]

i pretty much use vcs for any kind of work

since it is easy with git local repository

and gives too much benefits from two clicks or one console command

[tame cape]

im using github desktop

looks cool

i have to learn this properly so i can work in groups better

[wide raven]

aye, but it has to boot up the entire editor separately for each diff, so it is not very efficient for larger reviews

[pulsar parcel]

Though it does support shelved CL diffs and swarm reviews now in P4 land

[woven sluice]

does this mean you guys don't have perforce (or any source control) right now and want to set something up, or does it mean you have something but think you're using it wrong?

every team might have a bit different needs

[woven sluice]

are you focused on the fact that you can't e.g. both be working on the UMG simultaneously? or having difficulties keeping the UMG stuff stable enough for them to build it while you're simultaneously coding it?

[woven sluice]

epic has a big stream on youtube about workflow on fortnite you might like to watch for some (excessively) mature perspective on this sort of topic

i personally try not to get too heavily vested in building lots of blueprints on any very young c++ code - i try to make sure the c++ code is somewhat mature by the time we start building a bunch of BPs on it. i hate BP's for how fragile they are, but they're obviously necessary. getting the code base to the point where it might only need minor additions and functional alterations in the future helps reduce the likelihood of destroying a bunch of BP work

as you no doubt know, C++ code changes are "forceful" onto BPs so there isn't really anything to diff... you just have to fix them up as needed after you change the C++ parent (use redirectors for minor renaming/refactoring)

i would say most people just do trunk dev and utilize communication + locking to ensure people don't unknowingly destroy each others' work. commit often and keep your C++ code compiling cleanly in all configs (at least debug & shipping), all the time

[wide raven]

Bullet points on the subject from me

• Trunk dev ( not worth trying to use branches because of .uassets and locking )
• Checkout early, don't work an hour then save and realize it's locked
• Mainline should optimally always be working - hide big, breaking w.i.p stuff behind a feature flag when possible
• Submit w.i.p. stuff daily
• setup jenkins to package on every change to catch silly mistakes early
• setup jenkins to package every night so QA has fresh tickets to check every day
• do code reviews - maybe not for everything, but it's good practice to eyeball other peoples work regularly and keep people on the same page
• i like prefixing my CL:s with standard tags to make finding things easier. FIX, CHANGE, ADD, DELETE, etc

[lone sun]

Hi! I work at a small studio and we are 3 ppl working on cinematic project. We are using Perforce but we don't know it too well and only use basic functionality so far...its not our native territory 😄 . Now we have the case where we want to upgrade the project from 5.2 to 5.3. I already did a offline trial run and noticed that some stuff is breaking that will take like a week to fix. So it would be neat to have the others continue to work in 5.2 while one person is fixing the 5.3 issues till it works and then merge together somehow. I guess in game dev this is the normal use case. I just can't wrap my head around it so far how this works practically. The documentation has me even more confused. What would be the best practical way to do this?

[pulsar parcel]

A development or task stream probably

[lone sun]

I did try to create a release stream earlier. It then wants to upload the entire duplicate project to the depot. that seemed quite a bandwith waste so i stopped it for now.

[pulsar parcel]

Well usually you can populate from the stream creation window

and that wouldn't be an appropriate use of a release stream anyway?

[lone sun]

yea probably not. just sounded right in that moment. at least I kinda was on the right track. thanks a lot you already helped me out a bunch! I try and figure the streams out now and read up on the different stream types.

[crude flume]

is there a way to add an azure devops webhook to a discord channel for information on the repo

[pulsar parcel]

there are plenty of examples on discord webhook stuff using github instead. though I do like how this just says "use requestbin to figure out the payload lol" https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/service-hooks/services/webhooks?view=azure-devops

[crude flume]

thanks ill see what i can do with this

ill check this out too

[pulsar parcel]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/service-hooks/events?toc=%2Fazure%2Fdevops%2Fmarketplace-extensibility%2Ftoc.json&view=azure-devops#git.push oh nvm there is an example

[crude flume]

Circumvented potential headaches by making a Trello and then creating webhook from devops to Trello and from Trello to Discord

[proper gust]

Hello 👋
I'm working with UE5.3 and Unreal Game Sync (UGS) and Perforce. I have finish the setup for the environment, but I'm getting an error with Unreal Header Tool, UGS by default tries to compile it, but in 5.3 this seems is no longer necessary (the c++ version was replaced with a c# version). So my question is, do I need to configure something new for UGS and Unreal Header Tool? or just uncheck that step from the build process of UGS when syncing ?

[cyan viper]

i'm setting up p4 with swarm and when i initially did my swarm config i set the hostname to swarmhostname I've now changed it in /opt/perforce/swarm/data/config to the correct hostname and I can actually access it on the internet. However, I'm still getting cannot resolve hostname in p4v on my system and when I run p4 extension --run swarm ping I get BAD (Cannot reach 'http://swarmhostname/') (Couldn't resolve host name) which leads me to believe it was never correctly updated. How do i confirm how it's set and update it if necessary

[pulsar parcel]

and did you configure the extension from the p4d end? https://www.perforce.com/manuals/swarm/Content/Swarm/setup-extensions.html

you would need to set Swarm-URL

[cyan viper]

I didn't even see that section. I was following the install from package. You are a lifesaver. I have no idea why grep -r "swarmhostname" / didn't find it

[teal gorge]

im havinghard time navigating perforce, how much will it cost for 6 members 40$, or 240$?

[woven sluice]

nobody knows you have to get a quote. but i would expect at least 40 per person per month

[sacred aspen]

In a team setting having to use SVN.🙄 Trying to establish some rules to avoid users clobbering each others files. I haven't used SVN in over a decade.

Other than clear communication are there any suggestions or guidelines in file , folder, project structure etc that would help avoid conflicts?
Thanks for any tips or suggestions!

Thanks. I did mention not using SVN in a decade. 🙄 You can lock files on checkout like Perforce does?

Thanks. Maybe a question for Stackoverflow...

[sacred aspen]

Apologies for the total novice SVN question but its been a while!!
Question on Updating. I notice my local Unreal .uproject file has the red exclamation which means its different from the server version.
If I right click > SVN Update nothing happens.
What is the proper procedure to grab the server version of the .uproject file and overwrite - update my local copy?

[silver token]

Has anyone worked with task streams in P4 before? I think they're what I want for some short term work but I can't tell.
I can follow the docs to make one but I can't find any useful descriptions about what makes it "lightweight".
When creating the stream, is the parent stream branched immediately? or only as files are opened for edit/submitted with changes?

[woven sluice]

i haven't hardly done anything with them but i think that might be one aspect of what makes them lightweight - the fact that they don't branch the entire space.

having said that i don't think development streams do either (except for very old P4D versions maybe). i almost feel like it's just a semantics label

[silver token]

It's definitely not entirely semantics from the docs. dev streams require a parent, but you can make task streams of non-stream depots 🤯 .
I think they do something to make it easier to destroy or "unload" them easier too since that's supposed to be part of the workflow

[woven sluice]

wtf lol

[wide raven]

I don't remember exactly what all the stream types were about, but in general I would use them only for c++ work, or very very well compartmentalized .uasset work where lack of locking is of no consequence

I believe most unreal dev is "trunk dev" even in big companies and teams, but I may be wrong

[silver token]

Yeah absolutely. This task is one that should be, like, 90% C++ so I want to give it a shot.
You're not wrong about trunk dev and I've never had a problem with trunk based development, but it'd be nice to not have to try and maintain shelved changelists for a large refactor for once.
It's sort of an experiment. Maybe I'll lock assets in the trunk if I really, really need to modify it in the stream.

[woven sluice]

RegisterStateBranches might also work (i really just want to try using RegisterStateBranches one day but i never have and probably never will so i'm hoping to sucker some poor sod into it so i can live vicariously)

[silver token]

Tell me more... I'm willing to give it a shot if the occasion presents itself 😄

[woven sluice]

the only place i've ever seen it was in the middle of an old fortnite presentation (workflow on fortnite) it displays lock status of assets in other streams

so like you'll get a yellow exclamation mark on any assets locked in some other stream

at least i think that's where it was

https://youtu.be/p4RcDpGQ_tI?si=T63DxGBzEBPaQMTG&t=1790

[i also can't believe these dummybutts didn't make this a project setting]

[silver token]

Yeah, that seems like a whole thing just to setup and make sure it's configured properly for everyone on the team ...
It sounds cool but needs to be a little more user friendly.
Maybe even something you setup a day or two before you start working in the branch

[woven sluice]

i don't think it's all that involved. add it to something that runs like a module init, that might be it. but... never done it so IDK

[pulsar parcel]

This is annoyingly manual by default, but benui made a plugin where you can configure it from project settings instead

[woven sluice]

oh nice

thanks for the protip (thanks benui if you ever read this)

[frail beacon]

Is Bitbucket any good? Trying Sourcetree but it essentially funnels you in to also making a Bitbucket account.

I'll have to have another look because last night it took me to a page with Bitbucket sign in and I simply couldn't be arsed at the time with the faff when all I was looking for was to get Sourcetree.

Good to know that means no finnicky stuff ahead if I don't want to use the two together.

[hazy phoenix]

I'm not sure if this is a common issue but, me and my team having trouble with binary file conflicts. When we have a merge conflict on a binary and fix the conflict, the binary dissapears from the project (in editor). However, it does still exists in file explorer. So it's not going anywhere, but disappears from the project. We don't use any GUI, just bash and use vs code to solve binary conflicts. Is there any solution to this or a way to prevent?

[woven sluice]

kinda weird. any chance the uasset files left on disk are tiny? wondering if they're redirectors. don't know why they would be, though. obviously the correct solution here is to never generate these conflicts in the first place somehow but for some teams that is harder than others

[hazy phoenix]

Thank you for the reply, I'll check the sizes if that happens ever again, but the only solution we have for now is to abort the merge, and try over and over again until conflict doesn't end up removing the file from editor.

[woven sluice]

to be clear here, you close unreal, perform the merge (destroying one version of the file and replacing it with either A or B version), then when you reopen unreal, it's just gone?

[hazy phoenix]

yes, and to be even safer, close unreal and IDE, perform the merge, generate source code, and build the project from IDE.

[long mural]

still getting Failed to perform checkout on agent: p4 error: "Translation of file content failed near line 39758 file E:\BuildAgent3\work\c57a45b65183bc46\Engine\Content\Localization\Category\ko\Category.archive

not sure why

doesnt happen on my machine, only buiild machine

[edgy fiber]

Is the build machine running a different OS than your machine?

Guessing this file contains unicode since it's Korean localization. If you perforce server is configured with unicode disabled, if you change the file type to be text in Perforce I think it'll probably fix it. Not totally sure how do change and existing file, but I have some notes that say when adding do p4 add -t text <filename> .

[long mural]

no

[edgy fiber]

Bummer. Well, curious what the issue was. Let us know when you figure it out!

[tropic salmon]

it says launched the multi user server, but i dont see any session or server, is this normal ( im the host )

[wide raven]

I think you are in the wrong channel, this is all about version control

[tropic salmon]

ok thanks, what would be the correct channel for this? UE5 general?

[wide raven]

maybe #multiplayer

[sacred aspen]

I am tasked with refactoring a large (several hundred GB) project in a currently working SVN server repo. This would involve

-reparenting of Unreal levels,

• deleting of any levels and assets (100s of GB) not needed.
  My SVN knowledge is extremely limited. Using Tortoise.

Has anyone done this? What are suggested steps to follow?
What are some possible gotchas to look out for?

Just looking for some feedback from any SVN gurus.

[cosmic knot]

Heyo! im working on something in UE5 with perforce as my source control, and i keep running into this error when i try right click actors. and it also won't say anything on my perforce is checked out. but will on the perforce client itself. any ideas?

[pulsar parcel]

What does the message log say?

[cosmic knot]

So from the message log im reading into this currently.

[cosmic knot]

But i cant seem to find what to do to rectify it with perfroce

It seems more of an issue with the perforce WS or P4status from what ive seen but at a loss so far

[pulsar parcel]

And where does it mention the actoractionutilities?

That output you've shown is to be expected since you're using the launcher engine

[cosmic knot]

Whenever i attempt to right click or interact with actors

Just to make this a little clearer.

• I start unreal
• i mess with a BP and its fine, i try push it, then get the "nothing has been chekced out" and then the error about revision control comes up
• I then try interect with the same BP again it it says the ActorActionUtitlity error also.

The main issue I believe sits in the perforce connection from what ive seen online, but not sure what is exactly. it was working fine before hand!

[pulsar parcel]

so what is printed when you right click? you can have the output open and observe it

[cosmic knot]

thats all its giving me

[long mural]

still getting this

[edgy fiber]

What is the type of the file that is causing the problem? Is unicode enabled on the server or no?

[silk hound]

If I'm using asset packs would it be best to ignore all content folder and whitelist my specific project one? Then thinking to move any thing I use from the pack into that folder so I'm not committing the whole pack

[long mural]

@edgy fibernot sure i never set the server up

[edgy fiber]

K. What's the type of the file in perforce? You can see this next to the filename in P4V. It's in <>

[long mural]

utf16

but why doesnt p4v error out

just the build machine?

and this only happened recently

can see here it was success

then the rest just started failing with this

[edgy fiber]

The build machine is windows and your local machine is windows?

[long mural]

yes

[edgy fiber]

The P4 server is running in windows, not in a container?

[long mural]

its on linux

dedicated server

[edgy fiber]

I'd try changing that file to text just to see if that fixes it. I have no clue what could have caused it to change but every time I've seen this problem it's because the file is getting translated to a different format on sync.

(https://www.perforce.com/manuals/p4v/Content/P4V/files.type.html) seems to have instructions for doing that in P4V.

[long mural]

but its always been utf16

for months

like i said this only recently started happening

going to see what the type is

on epic perforce

[edgy fiber]

That's a great idea. I just checked our own server and it's utf16 but we have unicode disabled on the server.

[long mural]

this is on epic perforce

unicode is disabled on our server

[edgy fiber]

Cool. I just checked some old notes and the text/utf problems we had were because of unicode characrters in a source-code file.

Maybe try just blowing away the sync on the build machine?

[long mural]

i did a fresh download

and its still happening

[edgy fiber]

And the file itself hasn't changed at all, I assume? I'm out of ideas...

I'd still try changing it to text just to see what happens. I agree it doesn't make any sense what it'd stop working nor why it would be necessary but I believe that stops the p4 client from trying to do any sort of translation.

[long mural]

nope :/

yeah thats my last resort

but its just odd

[edgy fiber]

What is this build list a screenshot from?

[long mural]

?

trying to build the binaries for editor

[edgy fiber]

I mean, what program or tool? It doesn't look familiar.

[long mural]

teamcity

[edgy fiber]

ah

So they are running the build agents? Maybe something changed on their side?

[long mural]

we run the build agents

[edgy fiber]

But this would be so much easier if we could blame them. 🙂

[edgy fiber]

Maybe check that the P4CHARSET is set to the same for your local P4 client and the build agent's p4 client. I think it should be none. I'm pretty sure if it's set to anything else p4 will throw an error when work when talking to a non-unicode server. I doubt this is it...but if your agents aren't being spun up from a clean image every build I think a change to it would persist.

[magic mesa]

Hi I come from a Unity + Git background. In those projects, engineers would branch out from the current development branch into feature branches, regularly merge down from the development branch, and when their feature is done merge back into development branch.

Is this also a common workflow with Unreal + Perforce? Perforce streams seem to be the same thing, but yet I can't find any info online on best practices for doing feature branches?

[magic mesa]

Exactly the problem I'm facing... :/

so it's basically common practice to do trunk based development then? then what are the common uses for perforce streams? Or are they not even used?

lol then you're using Unreal + Git?

[pulsar parcel]

basically: just copy epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4RcDpGQ_tI

feature branches are definitely a more rare occurrence with trunk-based development

but you'd use them for long periods of destabilisation

you can setup cross-branch locks, but this acts as more of a soft lock, where the editor tells you it's checked out or modified on another branch

oh and with this workflow, you'll often see the opposite of feature branches: release branches, where stabilisation efforts will usually happen and their tool robomerge auto-merges that to main for you

[tropic surge]

Hey all!

How do I diff non blueprint assets within the unreal editor itself and not using perforce. I used to have perforce installed but since I don't use it I uninstalled it. Before deleting, when I tried to diff 2 LayerInfo files, the Perforce diff would give me a text diff of those files...so I thought Unreal editor itself should be able to do that but diffing now (after uninstalling perforce) gives The currently set diff tool 'p4merge.exe' could not be run. Would you like to set a new diff tool? I have checked in my Editor preferences-General->Loading & Saving->Source Control->Tool for diffing text is set to p4merge.exe. Is there any way to set it to use the Unreal editor instead?

Surprisingly, diffing a blueprint against the depot still uses the Unreal editor based diffing.

P.S. I am using Git and I want to diff the Level asset before commiting to figure out why I can't delete a LayerInfo asset even though its no longer used in the level.

[golden dragon]

I did that for a bit, my animator friend hand an aneurysm trying to get it to work. I use diversion now, I highly recommend it!

As for trunk based development, there's a guy called Dave Farley on youtube, talks a lot about software project management, CI/CD... has some videos about gaming too.

I sometimes wonder about that, because you can copy-paste to and from blueprints, and it's text. It must be theoretically possible

Not that I'm aware of XD I definitely wasn't asked to

[tropic surge]

Yeah, that's what I am realising now...still wouldnt it have been better if non blueprint assets could be diffed inside Unreal. The diff that unreal provides for blueprints, is it a Unreal specific thing, or particular to the git source control?

[wide raven]

Caveat : each diff has to load the editor separately, so I find it pretty much useless unless you only need to diff a single file

[tropic surge]

Like against the history you mean right?

So, no way for me to diff a changed but uncommited level against the last commited level? I am trying to diff against the "depot" but the text diff shows no difference

Coming from a software background, I am used to diffing against the last commit to take a look at the current changes before commiting...

The built in diff? Diffing a level inside unreal is opening p4merge

also...I am not using world partition...so OFPA is not enabled I guess

Yeah, I am checking on that

let me do this on a test project first lol...see what changes it makes. Does that make it easier to diff levels? Honestly, right now the only headache I have is 1 errant landscape layerinfo file that is not used but can't delete as it says its referenced in my level.

[tropic surge]

Well, I took the plunge and deleted the layerinfo anyway. Saved, restarted JIC, no issues. Just dreading the day it will come to bite back

[glacial sage]

from your experience what's the best place to buy perforce(ping me if you reply)

[silver token]

What do you mean "best place"? Isn't the only place to buy direct from perforce?

[woven sluice]

i'll sell it to you for cheap, all you have to do is give me your cc and banking info

[edgy fiber]

Never used either of these myself, but these are the only two options I'm aware of. Curious what you find and end up going with, though.

• https://get.assembla.com/perforce/
• https://www.perforce.com/products/helix-core-cloud

[edgy fiber]

(Assuming you're talking about a hosted solution. If you just want to buy perforce to host yourself then direct from them is the only option, I believe.)

[pulsar parcel]

also plenty of people I've seen have advised to steer clear of using assembla

that core cloud thing is just an azure VM with a subscription

[chrome badge]

Every time my team updates our project it seems to delete my in engine source control settings

is there a file we're forgetting to ignore?

[edgy fiber]

Yah. My understanding is that they're basically the only option, though...do you know of any others?

[pulsar parcel]

Until Perforce really has their own solution that isn't just a preconfigured Azure VM, I would just go for setting up my own VM

on DO or Vultr or something

[edgy fiber]

Yah - that's what we've done. It's surprising to me that there's not a batteries-included service out there. Being a perforce server admin isn't totally trivial.

[woven sluice]

those settings should be stored in an .ini file somewhere under the Saved folder... if that folder isn't being erased or otherwise affected, it shouldn't be affecting your local editor settings

(the whole Saved folder should be exlcuded from source control, to maybe answer your second q)

[chrome badge]

ok thanks gonna check in on this

[merry verge]

actually, the big thing with that is there's clear per-user pricing for < 50 users. Self-hosting they won't tell you shit unless you talk to their sales afaik.
Which is an improvement... not a huge one, but at least it's something.

It's not just the click-to-deploy thing they've had for azure/gcloud/aws, seems to be at least somewhat managed.

[chrome badge]

hmm well it looks like saved is ignored

i wonder why i keep seeing this change than