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#career-chat
nova locust
Lol @chrome bone im currently working with spectral and lito
Breaking point was never my game though
And now im done with it. It was a horror show
plucky hatch
How much would it cost to develop a character creator and spell creator with a lot of options and wide range of effects? Id like people to be able to model their own characters from scrath and weapons. Im hoping to make spells creatable and base it all in rune-tomes. Itll probably include spells that require actions to activate/ boost them and health/damage over time for the spells. Will also include melee
plucky hatch
Okay well what would that include
I got a quote for 15k and a quote for 50k on a full game so sounds about right
nova locust
50k to develop one full game?
That sounds a bit low
But i guess it matters about scope
plucky hatch
I figured i could fundraise a beta for 35k+ but 50k is kinda high for out of pocket
nova locust
You could look into publishers are investors. Theyd want some kind of prototype
plucky hatch
Thats what i mean you cant really fundraise for 100k plus without a working beta
But what would i need for design docs anyway
plucky hatch
Lol
nova locust
Maybe photoshop to draw examples
I mean hey man this can come a long way
The producers on my current project started in 2015 with design concepts and built it up to a fully paid 20 person team
plucky hatch
Im hoping to add a marketplace (mostly for content control, you cant have people making someone with aids needles as a villain)
Really im hoping to let players design a lot of what they want to have
Il probably just keep it generic, ty for the help though
nova locust
Np
chrome bone
the original or the new take?
nova locust
The new take. I left a while back. But im owed a half a years worth of salary and also ive heard rumors that people from it are talking shit about me. I wanted to be as professional as possible so i just left without confronting anyone
silk nest
Any hobbyists?
chrome bone
oh yeah.. i saw that slowly slip away.. sad days
silk nest
Can anyone work with me?
nova locust
I honestly never played the mod.
Lol theyre using code i wrote from breaking point in this other game :^)
Im not sure how legal that is
chrome bone
oh man.. hehe.. soudns like a mess
nova locust
Honestly i think im going to remove it from my resume
I dont want future employers seeing it
chrome bone
lol dang
im lucky to have squad and the company we have man.. i hear enough horror stories at conferences and what not/
nova locust
Did you guys get the studio setup in canada?
nova locust
Ahhh yeah thats how it goes. I swear to god man. I looked up to you guys like all throughout high school because you guys are so chill and professional.
chrome bone
we are 45 people now.
chrome bone
haha.. good to hear cheers.. we have been far from perfect but squad is killing it now
yep
nova locust
I thought 25 was big
nova locust
Ill keep my eye out heh
acoustic wolf
What can ya do @Fritz#0604 ?
pastel estuary
<_<
calm berry
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pastel estuary
Career advice, interview prep, resume and portfolio critique. For job opportunities/requests, please use #looking-for-work and #looking-for-talent. @prime epoch
hybrid phoenix
Sigh
vivid pivot
Let me use this channel for it's actual purpose by uploading my CV/resume with portfolio link for critique 😃
flat gazelle
I'm not a coder, so I'll refrain from commenting on the content of the CV. However, your CV is slightly longer than mine, which covers 10 years in the industry. Not saying it's a bad thing, just a note.
vivid pivot
Good to know, thanks 🙂
fickle hatch
@vivid pivot what does "product-owner" mean
vivid pivot
I decide the vision and future of the product, and I have the end responsibility for it
fickle hatch
There must be some better way to describe that, that was one thing that was a bit confusing
digital gate
product lead?
fickle hatch
Lead is a nicer term
lilac walrus
Lead is not the same thing
fickle hatch
Product owner sounds to me like you own the thing. The way one might own a car for example
lilac walrus
Leads are responsible for people, not the product
digital gate
lookin at your portfolio
fickle hatch
I suspect there's a bit of regional english difference in here
flat gazelle
Yeah, Product Owner is an established role. No ned to change.
digital gate
However, to apply agile programming, the plan was to develop a prototype using the new Blueprints Visual Scripting system, which would then be converted to a C++ project.
that's kinda weird wouldn't call that agile
fickle hatch
I googled "product owner" and it seems to be a slang term from agile programming
(or something sorry if I misunderstood)
flat gazelle
It's a role in Agile overall. Not specific to programming
Same as a Scrum Master isn't really a Master. It's a title in the system
fickle hatch
I've never heard the term since I never really looked into agile stuff beyond the ideas. Not the slang etc
vivid pivot
@digital gate Ah yeah I could see that, I'll elaborate that the blueprints can be used for quick iterations using their visual nature
fickle hatch
I don't know what a scrum master is. But I suppose if you're targeting people who expect that stuff and know the lingo, it's fine then
flat gazelle
If you are a programmer at an established studio, you are very likely to know agile to some degree.
lilac walrus
more than likely, to be fair
flat gazelle
Yeah
digital gate
Maybe not established enough cause I'd never heard of product owner lol
flat gazelle
Also, not just programming. Any part of software development this side of the 90s
vivid pivot
Already want to thank everyboby for the feedback! Really want to improve it, then i'll start looking for a new job. Hope its good enough 😅
fickle hatch
@flat gazelle but that's the thing, CV's aren't gonna be read by programmers at an established studio. They will go through HR and such. While they are probably trained to recognize specific things, it seems to me like it's best to avoid niche terms in CV's
Unless the term is very generic in the field. I'm sure HR's for Lockheed Martin will know what working with gimbals is
flat gazelle
It's really not a niche term
digital gate
So I'd actually take a really harsh look at your portfolio
you seem alright until I decided to play your UE4 game you list there.
fickle hatch
@flat gazelle it seems like a niche term though
flat gazelle
In games a product owner is often rolled into the producer role, but the project needs it.
If you say so.
fickle hatch
I've never seen anyone use product-owner in any of the chats I'm in and this is the first time I heard of it in this chat
I know what a producer is though
On the other hand, producer is a word that pops up all the time
flat gazelle
Right, so how big is your company? How many people per department?
How many producers?
fickle hatch
We're a small startup of 7 people who come from working in different places
fickle hatch
I'm pretty sure one of my coworkers would recognize the term, since he's more into niche things 😛
lilac walrus
it's definitely not a niche term, hehe
fickle hatch
I'm not saying agile is niche here, just that the term is uncommon
flat gazelle
Show me a team of more than 50 people without a project owner and I'll concede it's a niche term
lilac walrus
you'll see it crop up a lot in job adverts etc
digital gate
@vivid pivot Like if I was hiring somebody for a UE4 game and I played this, I'd pass.
fickle hatch
@flat gazelle eh, you're acting as if I said product owner doesn't exist
I'm sure it has a definition and I'm sure that a team who doesn't know the term might designate a person by that definition, not intentionally
But because they were following same ideas without taking up the slang
flat gazelle
No, I'm saying that it's not a niche term. It's not common in tiny unestablished studios, sure. But in the general industry, it is
fickle hatch
So it's a slang term that only big companies use?
flat gazelle
No, it's agile terminology. If your team is bigger than one man can manage, you will use Agile, and with it comes the terminology
And getting even bigger you'll need DDs
fickle hatch
What is the exact definition of a product-owner anyway?
lilac walrus
flat gazelle
The product owne is a manager
fickle hatch
Not really correct to compare, but "game careeer manager", "game careeer producer" and "game careeer lead" all return more results. Though, it would be incorrect to make any sorta judgement on the numbers
@flat gazelle what kinda manager?
flat gazelle
You're going to go far kid 😉
fickle hatch
Heh. You're really up far in there, aren't you!
@flat gazelle Do you have scrum-related certificates?
flat gazelle
Nope
fickle hatch
You should get one. I can google a ton of websites that offer them by googling for product owner
fickle hatch
Well, there are way more different roles. There's a certificate for every role here
flat gazelle
That doesn't mean I don't follow scrum and agile methodolgy
flat gazelle
I did. I'm a freelancer now. But I work with a couple of startups so I remote in for daily standups and so on
fickle hatch
Cool.
flat gazelle
When you start growing, or if you plan to join a larger company with multiple departments I'd really recommend reading up a bit about agile. It's a great way to work and it means everyone knows what's expected of everyone.
fickle hatch
I don't plan on growing up ever
I just plan on looking like an ass whenever slang terms are brought up!
😛
flat gazelle
Not you, your studio 😛
fickle hatch
Does implementation of agile immediately solve a good portion of scheduling and organizational issues and it has instructions for handling all pre-existing relationships?
flat gazelle
I think we are drifting away from job chat, but it helps with scheduling when there are more things that you want to do than you have time for.
fickle hatch
(and to speak seriously, I don't see how agile slang is in any way worth compared to the ideas presented in it)
(seems just like a hip thing to say on top of some meaningful advice)
flat gazelle
And it allows a team to quickly pivot when new information comes up. As in, shit we can't deliver this. Now what?
fickle hatch
Now we panic
And jump
But to be serious here - the slang is pretty amusing, though the ideas are good. I don't think it has any relevance to share if we follow same practices or no. But these terms - the words themselves - seem to be a third wheel to the rest of the ideas.
But hey, falling into infinite improvement of management practices is also a pitfall
flat gazelle
You know how it is. Two months from ship. The star coder never did come through with the render optimization needed to make the level run at 60fps. How do we handle the scheduling? Do we put artists on hand opting things? But then what do we do with the tasks they were already planned to do. The agile framework gives you good tools to make those decisions. The titles are just there so everyone knows who is supposed to make what decision.
fickle hatch
Isn't there some sort of a hidden issue if your coworkers forget what kinda decisions they are supposed to make, when they make them every day
Though it's true, sometimes you gotta work with what you have
Titles are good, but with us specifically - none of this matters, but - we prefer a list of responsibilities (in whatever form or shape) over a slang term that some of my coworkers would not really bother to read up about
flat gazelle
Well that's the nice part of the titles. Sometimes the lead of a department is the product owner for say, the levels. Sometimes it's the producer for all of singleplayer. Having someone pinned as the product owner helps new hires, or transfers from another project to know who to approach with certain questions.
fickle hatch
It's not a hip smart thing and not even something we came up with. We're but a tiny company, so our guidance isn't management books, actually it's more companies that we work with and our former workplaces and so on
Well
flat gazelle
But a product owner is just a list of responisbilities as well, that everyone already knows so you don't need to write it anywhere
fickle hatch
Saying "it's not management books" would be lying, probably better to say "it's not entirely based on management books"
lilac walrus
we have 'strike teams' here, who each work on particular aspects of the game
strike teams are cross discipline, and one person in each is a 'product owner', so to speak
fickle hatch
In other words, tell me - do you think that it's the methodology that makes management structure work and not the sensible (and sure - guided by the descriptions of methodologies) structure that is built up and involves a social hierarchy
lilac walrus
it's a strong, flexible system because it makes it very clear to people who they need to go to to talk about what
fickle hatch
A title of product owner would not make a submissive and reclusive but talented developer suddenly change his ways
lilac walrus
you'd be unlikely to make such a person a product owner in the first place
fickle hatch
A title of "Lead developer" wouldn't do that either. No title would cheer the sad guy up
flat gazelle
I'm not sure if I'm being trolled right now...
fickle hatch
@lilac walrus but if I have a boss who asserts his dominance by sensible means (through technical expertise, good guidance and his know-how), I don't really care what title he has
flat gazelle
@lilac walrus we called them swat teams 😃
fickle hatch
@flat gazelle No, this is serious now. It was a bit trolling earlier, now I was just offering you some chat 😛
There's nothing more to it so feel free to ignore it
flat gazelle
It's not a title in the same way Sr Engineer or Lead is.
It's a responsibility
Like the list you use
It's simply a tool
lilac walrus
aye, it's not your 'job title', but it is something that you additionally do with regard to a given project
fickle hatch
I can sorta see how title can be a tool
flat gazelle
It can change over time in a project.
fickle hatch
If someone is slacking, you can point them out "But come on, you're the product owner"
fickle hatch
No, seriously explain how it is a tool. That last thing was a semi-joke
vivid pivot
haha didnt mean to start this dicussion with my resume 😛
fickle hatch
I want your opinion - entirely just because you were at the head of the conversation, no other reason
FYI I am looking this stuff up while we (well, I guess it was kinda one-sided) were talking
flat gazelle
Ship a few games and we'll pick this conversation up then. Right now I feel like you are too "Lol, fuck the establishment" to discuss it seriously.
fickle hatch
There's this one page that implies that titles are a good way to get scrum ideas to people who are unfamiliar with them
@flat gazelle Are you above talking to a 5 year old? 😛
flat gazelle
When it's a trolling one, yes
fickle hatch
It's not "fuck the establishment", it's more of a "those buzzwords sound dumb"
@flat gazelle No trolling here. Just a guy open to a conversation and a topic that's sorta still floating
flat gazelle
Those buzzwords have been around longer than many people in this chat
fickle hatch
Cool. There are a lot of things older than every person in here
Says nothing about quality of those things
flat gazelle
No, the adoption in succsessful studios does though.
fickle hatch
Please understand this: I'm not denying any advice and any points in the methodology. My opinion on them doesn't matter, but it's a positive one. I just have a big interest in what's so special about titles
fickle hatch
Not titles/roles specifically, but why would someone see a methodology-specific term as something that has to be widely used
lilac walrus
nobody said it had to be, it just is
flat gazelle
It's a title as much as programmer.
fickle hatch
Well, nobody did, but it kinda felt that way and right now I'm interested in specific opinion
flat gazelle
why do we call it programmer?
fickle hatch
Cause that's the most generic and widespread term for those responsibilities
fickle hatch
But when I google product owner and programmer, the results are very different in their atmosphere
flat gazelle
That doesn't change the fact that both are just a list of responsibilities
fickle hatch
Nope. And niche words are totally valid
There are niche roles/titles/whatever in different industries specific to those industries and their methodologies
flat gazelle
So how do you define what's niche? Unknown to you?
fickle hatch
No, actually. Niche would be something that you don't find outside of specialized literature
First three links for "product owner" lead to scrum-themed websites, while "programmer" (well, it's a very popular term) lead to websites that don't really have to do with programming as is
That's entirely my point of view for calling it niche, nothing else
flat gazelle
Agile started as a software development mthodology, but it's spread to product development and it's taking over the old industries
lilac walrus
Scrum and agile are not niche concepts
fickle hatch
They are not niche concepts, no, I agree completely
lilac walrus
they're pretty widespread and standard across a number of different engineering disciplines
fickle hatch
Let me restate again that I'm only pointing out the terms being niche to those concepts
To go all the way back - the suggestion is to describe it in a bit more generic accessible way outside of places where it's not considered niche
We use niche words in our stuff - they are niche for everyone else, but for us they are part of everyday language
flat gazelle
Luckily, he's applying to the games industry, where it's not niche 😃
fickle hatch
There's a better counterargument really
HR's will look for specific keywords, you want to put all those keywords on there
Which is just a rephrasing of "it's not niche in places where you want to be hired"
flat gazelle
Haha, whatever you say
fickle hatch
@flat gazelle come on dude. The first four links for "product owner" on google are not gamedev, job or misc websites, but websites about scrum methodology
flat gazelle
Which should tell you that it's quite widespread
lilac walrus
scrum methodology is pretty widespread in games though
fickle hatch
It's a widespread term on scrum methodology websites, that is without a doubt
And scrum is widespread in games, can't deny that either
Do you see something strange here when compared to use of common roles & titles. Or you just want to stay on a high horse instead of saying you don't really care about the subject or something like that 😛
I know. It's pointless, we don't connect and no conversation is happening here. I just look like an ass
Time to go back to keeping things working and worrying about how to keep them working & if there are things we could change about ourselves to improve something. And leave big words to big boys
flat gazelle
Good luck
fickle hatch
@flat gazelle come on. Luck isn't sustainable 😛
As a closing note, so internally frustrating when people think that seeing a problem with part of a whole means that the whole thing is bad
ocean harbor
Agree with @fickle hatch on this, agile is management framework, just as 100 others that where there before. You could have been doing agile before it was cool 😄
the adoption of this methodology is not uniform, being a scrum master in this sense has as much meaning as team lead - what exactly you did varies from company to company
kindred mason
Fuck....so much back and forth over something so simple....
@vivid pivot you are supposed to go back 10 years so you are good there
The only thing I would agree is you should make your terminology agnostic
Save the big words for the interview
I wouldn't necessarily care if you were the product owner of a project. Actually, seeing how I know what the product owner typically does (not much) ... It would be a negative to you
ocean harbor
nahh, I mean there are jobs like Data Architect now, every company have it but barely anyone can explain what it is 😄
for everyones better understanding it's always good to describe what your job resposibilities where in addition to using a title - just in case title is misused in place where you worked or where you will work
at the same time, pretty much any software companies nowadays places agile as a base requirements, so you would expect them to understand what Scrum Master means
in reality, the adoption is non-uniform and not everyone got a the same formal training
from this point of view "product owner" might not mean the same to different people
flat gazelle
Everyone knows what a Scrum master is, but nobody got time to listen to that poor bastard 😛
I run my own meetings!
ocean harbor
😄
in some companies/teams scrums can take hours.... this isn't really an agile anymore but a waster of time
neverless you still can put it on cv
lilac walrus
ergh, I've been in those meetings
flat gazelle
Yeah, if that happens, the Scrum master needs to be taken out back and shot
lilac walrus
morning five minute 'scrums' that take an hour and a half
flat gazelle
eeew
lilac walrus
every. day.
ocean harbor
the other hillarity is agile methodology in top-down rigid companies, where CEO comesuo with all dedlines and estimates 😄
flat gazelle
Anything over 15 minutes for morning standup would make me throw up
ocean harbor
but that's the thing, this ^ is why I share Blackfox opinion that even if "product owner" is not a niche term, it's still a buzzword
you can say that it's established term in agile, but agile is not all that established
as in its used in like 95% of large companies now but quality of adoption is really different
flat gazelle
Agile itself is, and its terminology. However, the degree to which it's implemented and utilized absolutely varies.
ocean harbor
If we would have this conversation 10 years ago, most would agree on this 😄
I mean, agree that it's a weird title and should be chnaged to something more classical
flat gazelle
Like?
ocean harbor
product manager
flat gazelle
Not sure that's any clearer, but fair enough
ocean harbor
but that's the point
I mean, we can pretend that Agile is the same everywhere (its suppose to be). Then someone switches jobs, gets into one of the larger software corporations and observes hour long scrums, deadline and deliverables set by top chain management, 5000+ open tickets in Jira that you have to decifer and etc
and "products" like "service support for division X", which no-one can describe a scope of
lilac walrus
eh, just because says they're 'agile' doesn't mean they necessarily are xD
but who's gonna police that?
ocean harbor
yeap, I think this was @fickle hatch point tbh
lilac walrus
it's kind of irrelevant through
many titles differ greatly in implementation
consider a 'Technical Artist'
pretty standard job title, but the actual work performed by that person can vary dramatically
flat gazelle
Sure! But still it has relevance because it informs us of the realm of work the artist has been doing. It's not a character artist, nor an environment artist. I think it's the same with Product Owner and Scrum master. I know these people have experience in schedule management, product decisions and meeting direction even if it is hard to pinpoint exactly what they have done. Same goes for most titles and descriptions.
lilac walrus
pretty much
Tech Artist is the most bastard title though, IMHO
what were you doing? animation? shaders?
flat gazelle
Oh yeah. That one has gone from the most narrow to the most broad in a few years
From, I'm the bridge between code and art! To, I DO EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!
vivid pivot
Ok apparently everyone uses the Product Owner differently. In our company it means that next to being a full-stack developer you also manager the direction/future of the product you're working on and carry the main responsibility. Will try to make that clear or cut the whole title
Thanks for all the feedback again though! 😃
lilac walrus
well, you can be a product or a feature owner, it has multiple tiers, hehe
thick terrace
@pro devs, I’m considering leaving my IT job for a pay cut into an entry level c++ programming role. There are no game studios in my area, so this job hop would be kind of an intermediate. The goal being to become more familiar with programming so that I have the experience and knowledge to then move into studio work. Is this a good idea or bad idea?
vivid pivot
I always suggest, follow your passion. Just be sure its your passion 😉
lilac walrus
if it doesn't work out, you can always go back to doing IT
it's worth trying out if you think you might enjoy it
vivid pivot
Currently thinking about the switch as well, notice a insane motivation difference between work and gamedev projects
thick terrace
Well the pay cut is extreme, so I want to be sure. I guess what I’m asking is how valuable is general c++ knowledge and experience to gamedev
How much of that knowledge will be valuable/transfer
lilac walrus
it's pretty useful
the harder part really is working out where you'd want to apply that knowledge, but that's another bridge to cross at the time
digital gate
Yeah having programming skill will come over pretty easily and is gonna be really useful. As for if you should make the hop I'd say that depends a lot on your savings and if you're gonna try to get on with a studio or go indie.
From the sound of things you're gonna go non-game C++ entry, then try to go studio after a bit?
thick terrace
It’s just a massive risk, I have a cozy work from home high paying job. I’d be giving that up to drive to work again and for entry pay
@digital gate yes that’s what I’m thinking
digital gate
Hrm.
dense heath
depends what you do as entry lvl c++ programmer in that company, the pay cut is only relevant if you cant live without that money and be happy, you could also look into studying and trying to get involved in indie projects/applying wherever you can
digital gate
You'll wanna have a game project to show, I think, so you might consider if you can put off the hop for a bit and try to go direct into games. You may even be able to find a remote job that isn't a forum job (which really suck)
Main reason I say that is that during your would-be commute you could instead be working on something that you can then use with your IT xp to make a jump more directly.
You stay with the job longer and have a larger amount of padding.
thick terrace
that makes the most sense to me, but a downside is not having a mentor or group of programmers nearby to learn from
Right now I’m working during the day and doing coding lessons at night. That’s been the case for a couple months. I’m having a lot of fun with it. It’s really hard to keep pace though, because often times the days work has me too tired. Not to mention I’m running a business in the time between.
What do you mean by “forum job”?
kindred mason
@thick terrace Plenty of mentors on here though
If you ever run into issues, just ask
In your spare time, if you REALLY want to start putting that C++ to use, make some games
Jump into Game Jams
Or just start working on a solo project
Something small and doable.
If it's polished enough, learn how to publish it on Steam.
thick terrace
@kindred mason thanks, that’s what I’m trying to do but it’s hard to find energy often after work, plus I’m getting anxious to quit my day job.
kindred mason
mental viper
ill just leave "survivorship bias" here 
lilac walrus
I'm not sure survivorship bias is applicable here
thick terrace
Lol
lilac walrus
it's not easy to get into games, but gaining experience as a C++ programmer is definitely a good place to start
mental viper
oh, i misread it, mybad
thick terrace
I wonder how much of the gamedev appeal is fairytale. Part of me thinks working for a studio might be like any other job where management treats employees like working in a sweatshop to meet deadlines. Maybe indie dev is where I ts at?
If anyone with studio experience would like to share their experiences, that would rock.
digital gate
being a successful freelancer is ideal IMO
I don't have proper studio experience, but have been flown out to work in a literal basement before.... being able to simply not work a day or whatever and not have my livelihood directly tied to a game is pretty cool. Hunting down the next contract can be a pain but that's why you keep a reserve.
thick terrace
Oh, I hadn’t considered contracting. On the other hand would it be sweet to help create the next “Skyrim” or huge budget state of the art graphics title
digital gate
Can do both (though I haven't)
Actually I'm pretty sure that's easier to get than actual employee status
thick terrace
Oh, the big studios contract out remote workers too?
I guess that makes sense, they probably need a ton of talent for those titles
Probably don’t have as much as hey need locally
digital gate
Not too sure on remote status (though that's me :D) for the big guys but my understanding is that 1yr or so contracts is normal
lilac walrus
the sweatshop jobs tends to be the smaller indies - they have more to lose and don't have the budget to not push people has hard as they can to get max value from employees
the proper AAAs tend to be more relaxed due to financial security
big studios will often outsource to smaller studios
but they may hire agency workers too
thick terrace
There have got to be thousands of college grads looking for these jobs every year, what’s the best way stand out as an old man
An old man with less formal education and skills no less
No I think I I have the answer already
Nm*
kindred mason
...
@thick terrace how old are you?
I mean...I did pretty well for myself after graduating last year.
I was 34
But I did have a bit of UE4 experience, games and some studio experience under my belt by that time.
flat gazelle
Large studios tend to be cautious about remote workers though. On site freelancing is more likely.
Too big a risk to send a build of the next big thing to someone whose PC they can't control and keep uncompromised
thick terrace
That’s fine, I can always fly somewhere and live in an apartment for a year, I’m sure the wife won’t mind.
flat gazelle
Hehe, yeah I did that this summer. Slept on couches and shifted my big ole pc between different friends homes so I could work on my other clientwork in the evenings.
Not the best time, but also not the worst
thick terrace
Sounds like an adventure!
Were you lugging a desktop around?
I’m picturing a crt monitor under one arm, full atx tower in the other lol.
flat gazelle
lcd screen but yeah, pretty much
mid tower
😛
It was a bit like the old LAN party days
fickle hatch
At my previous workplace, I often had to work from an empty field in middle of nowhere
Delicious sunburns
At least it was a rugged computer I could throw in frustration if I wanted to
thick terrace
What did you use as a power source?
fickle hatch
Interchangeably 24-volt battery bank, a gasoline generator (horrible horrible thing) and internal battery (which lasted about 8 hours)
thick terrace
Lmao
fickle hatch
Oh yeah, also the car
Gasoline generator we had was such an abomination it was not worth it, so later car replaced it when battery bank would run out
storm wave
i've worked in studios for 14 years. some places better than others, but in general, it's a great industry to work in
doh, I was scrolled up
vivid pivot
Always nice to hear praise about the industry i'm trying to get in 😉
bitter flower
Since I can't make a post advertising what I want to advertise, is anyone looking for a project to work on? I'm a 3D artist making a game by myself. Looking for a c++ programmer to work together. Willing to work on my project and yours. I'll put in as much 3d work into your project as you put in programming into mine. I work only three days a week so I have lots of free time for game stuff
celest kiln
i may be interested. pm me 😉
limber ore
anyone here specializing in unreal engine and augmented reality applications? i'm looking for co-authors for a book deal right now. if folks are interested, PM directly here
distant sedge
?
spice dagger
@plucky hatch Use the job bot to post listings.
This channel is for discussion only. Not for posting jobs.
plucky hatch
Well, i'm sorry
twilit nacelle
spice dagger
Career advice, interview prep, resume and portfolio critique. For job opportunities/requests, please use #looking-for-work and #looking-for-talent.
Read the description. Also please read the #more-resources channel for more information.
#career-chat is NOT for posting jobs
That is why we have the Job Bot and the #looking-for-talent and #looking-for-work channels
ashen lynx
Can we at least whine about salaries here ?
hybrid phoenix
Absolutely
hybrid phoenix
@hybrid solstice That's 100% not something for this channel
hybrid solstice
oh >_<
hybrid phoenix
That said, afaik, no
hybrid solstice
It was meant to be for General
acoustic zealot
Please read the HEADLINE
uncut bronze
@acoustic zealot Thanks appreciate it and my apologies.
acoustic zealot
No problems at all, you're not the first to miss it
steel creek
And they won't be the last.
Anybody who can't follow directions when posting a job might be at a work opportunity you may want to reconsider.
Especially from those, upon realizing the mistake, who get belligerent at others for helping them understand.
spice dagger
@InCeptionTime586#8038 This channel is not for posting job listings. Please use #looking-for-talent
heavy trail
ok
thick terrace
hey all, does anyone know of any rpgs in development that would consider bringing a newb programmer aboard?
I really want to start working on an rpg but I cant seem to find any projects in the works
umbral wagon
Is it worth it to make games to make a some money and make it a career??!
flat gazelle
Yes
umbral wagon
@flat gazelle Can you give some details I am Pro in 3D arts and want to create a new path
flat gazelle
If you are a pro in 3d, just apply for an artist job at a studio
umbral wagon
No such studios available in my country
flat gazelle
So move abroad
My first job was in a different country
Or apply for a remote position
Or start your own studio
digital gate
Or make marketplace packs
I'd advise not jumping directly in if you're in need of money right this second though @umbral wagon
If you've got savings, absolutely go for it.
flat gazelle
If he's already a pro I see no reason not to take a studio job
digital gate
Well I meant like smaller gigs/own studio/marketplace
Bigger studios, sure, why not.
But scraping jobs from here/forum/etc can be hit or miss, and with smaller opportunities they're only really good for building xp IMO.
You can get by but not likely if you're just striking out and need rent
already a pro kinda kills a bit of that tho
umbral wagon
What I miss is self promotion and marketing abalities
I want to create a game to see if I can succeed
I created mini short movies on my own that got me little work locally
But no real income here
only on the fly work
too much demanding too little rewarding
I tried selling my models online that too doesn't have that potential
steel creek
too much demanding, too little rewarding
Welcome to human existence
kindred mason
<@&213101288538374145> Any chance you can enforce (via rules or bot) about reposting jobs in either #looking-for-talent #looking-for-work
RE: Ironbelly "Spam"
Feel like it could lead to others thinking it's okay to just post the same thing every week. I know you all have a new bot coming, which will hopefully address this issue anyway.
P.S. to anyone else, I still to this day get people interested in myself joining their teams and I haven't done a #looking-for-work after my initial one
(Oct 31, 2017)
valid lance
Is there a section here for finding teams?
fading yoke
Personally I've been weighing looking for help to make projects together because my inner critic has been getting the best of me lately with my personal projects. I tend to go as far as I can but eventually the inner critic puts a stop to my productivity with stuff like (i.e. "why bother with this? you should be using this time to apply for jobs or to work on projects that'd be more likely to get you a job!"). It's a really nasty feeling.
My logic is that if someone else is there with me working together and encouraging me then I'll be less likely to fall apart.
valid lance
Yeah, for bigger projects it helps me if there are other people. I wanna push my art, but I always drift into other projects. I also tend to split my time into other areas and then I spend even less on art :I So it would be good to people in a team that do the other stuff.
fading yoke
I have a lot of trouble reconciling the idea of hiring/recruiting people to help with one of my own projects for the purpose of selling the game one day with the fact that I can't afford to make my own business and hire the help of others.
So by that logic I can only do it if there's no money involved and the game is to be released as free or open source, or I can only do it if I agree to accept the risk of what is effectively a loan from one of those Venture Capatalists or Angel Investor deals. Even if I did want to do the latter, though, the terms of any deal would be really bad for a nobody like me.
valid lance
I wouldn't wanna take that risk either. Personally was thinking "just" a hobby project. Small to medium sized. I couldn't imagine putting money on the table for something like this. It would just be to gather experience on the side, after I come home from work or on the weekend. I would fuck everything up I could fuck up if I ever tried to hire people or start a company lol.
The problem with these hobby projects is that they often die out. But I had one really good experience, over a year ago.
bitter flower
Could I add a vote to add "Skill trade" under the compensation section for the looking for talent section?
For people like me who don't exactly want someone to work for nothing, and also wouldn't mind helping someone out with their projects in exchance
exchange
violet rivet
Does anyone know how to post in the lookingfortalent or lookingforwork ? 🤔
ocean harbor
check pinned message
violet rivet
Thanks, new to discord so didn't know about pinned messages
subtle tundra
Hey Guys
kindred mason
Guys.. guys...ROFL... should be common sense but be careful about what you say to other folks about your fellow devs. Especially if you've never worked with them before. When you get fired because you can't do your job right after talking smack about someone else, it just makes you look incredibly foolish.
grave sphinx
The game professional community is very small - despite its size.
plucky hatch
@kindred mason its already foolish if you get fired because you can't do your job right imho 😄
kindred mason
@plucky hatch Exactly, true story.
plucky hatch
Anyone here funded a game through development themselves or with crowdfunding? I'm looking for someone to chat with and get some insight for my own active development team.
celest prawn
How does one go about breaking into professionally using UE4? I've been using it for around 6 months yet I've yet to come across a work offer or project that I actually think I would be able to do. Most of the offers are stuff like create C++ backbone for a game or creating advanced AI.
spice dagger
Start small, participate in game jams, join some free projects (ones that are collaborative) get your experience up. Then when your confident you have skills to offer. Put up an Looking For Work posting with your portfolio of past projects and skillset.
@celest prawn
valid lance
@celest prawn For me it was applying for a 3D job at a smaller company that were very inerested in my UE4 VR Pototypes. They looked for people to not outsource so many projects anymore.
Also I made a complete game in some months that I would put in my portfolio to show I'm capable of it.
ocean harbor
@edgy vigil @nova bloom please read channel description at the top
nova bloom
Sorry,i tried to post in #looking-for-work but for some reason only bots are allowed to post there. this looked like the second best place
ocean harbor
no worries, check pinned message in #looking-for-talent for instructions on how to post
nova bloom
I see.Thanks mate
edgy vigil
True, I apologize, didn't see the channel descriptions, I'll make sure to look out for them
granite brook
Please use this channel only for discussions, etc. Every job posting belongs to #looking-for-talent or #looking-for-work. If we see postings here we will simply delete them from now on. Don't hesitate to ping one of us if stuff piles up.
torpid ibex
I began working with ue proposing it to my boss (for archviz) and now it is an essential part of our workflow in the office. And also now I'm beginning to work as freelance
granite brook
Yeah I have a lot of ArchViz clients, combined with VR. Def a good choice
plucky hatch
hello i'm looking for a programmer, that does UE4 BP, C++ and AI scripting
Job Description
Assisting programmer(s) in creating gameplay classes related to physics and AI
Skills & Requirements
Knowledge in UE4 BP/C++ and AI scripting
valid lance
You guys think UE can replace Vray in terms of quality for product renders if you push enough?
non-static*
spice dagger
@valid lance Probably better to ask in #graphics or #aec-visualization
valid lance
Yeah, it's just kinda part of my job to R&D but drifted of with the question lol.
urban stump
Depends on the product. For something like a car, probably not. For shampoo, probably.
You're going to need to forgo a lot of conventional wisdom though to make it work, like using UDIMs and extremely high resolution reflection captures.
scarlet gazelle
I'm in the process of building up a portfolio and I want a few unreal pieces in there. Does it matter, from a recruiter perspective, how much of a project is done in either c++ or Blueprints? I've got device experience as I'm a .net developer, I'm just asking as most of the tutorials I'm finding for unreal all revolve around using blueprints. It's tricky to find good c++ tutorials
spice dagger
C++ would be more desirable
pearl dew
But showing that you are capable with using BP is also important
lilac walrus
You'll have a much easier time finding work if you can demonstrate proficiency in code
blueprint is less important since if you can write code, you won't have a hard time adjusting to something like Blueprint (but the opposite is not necessarily so easy)
bonus points for projects that sensibly utilise both
spice dagger
All of the above 😃
scarlet gazelle
Can any of you point me in the right direction for good unreal c++ tutorials?
scarlet gazelle
Thank you. Yeah I'm a .net guy and I've years of experience in unity. So it's kinda frustrating at times to find a lack of good programming tutorials for something as popular as unreal
ocean harbor
There is UE4 c++ course on Udemy and a series on UE4 YouTube channel
deft trench
Im looking for someone to help me link a few assets together as im busy with other things at the moment with university and need this doing. It should only be a small and quick job for someone who knows blueprints
untold granite
Yeah - the Udemy course is pretty nice, and just learning c++ & then learning by doing seems to work pretty well too
(Once you get over the fact that the UE4 documentation tends to be WAY worse than the Unity docs 😂 )
thick terrace
Anyone working on an rpg and need a programmer?
digital gate
specifically an rpg?
thick terrace
Gotta be, or similat
plucky hatch
@pearl dew and what if you aren't a programmer and wanna use c++ in UE?
lilac walrus
git gud
plucky hatch
it's not fair to learn c++ as a general language 5 years just to use it for games.
lilac walrus
more seriously, you will want to learn the general basics before diving into a more complex project
plucky hatch
i also don#t learn cgi 5 years just to create assets i learn it 1 month and I do almost any basic assets and textures.
what are general basics? the first c++ course on youtube you can find? is this general basic?
lilac walrus
it's not a standard term, but you will want to know core fundamentals of the language at least
plucky hatch
then i still cannot make games according to people
lilac walrus
learning programming fundamentals is the first step, applying them to game specific problems is the second
like it or not, this will take time to learn
making games is not particularly easy
plucky hatch
but its much less time as a artist
lilac walrus
artists get paid a lot less for a reason
plucky hatch
and if you have a day job you can forget learning programming in a good way. just not enough time with 4 hours per day
lilac walrus
but also it's still a lot of time if you want to be a good artist, hehe
I got where I am by learning in evenings and weekends for the most part
plucky hatch
8 hours job, 30 min. pause in germany, 1 hour for commute... 9h30 GONE. for peanuts -_-
not everybody has energy after a tedious job day. we are humans. not robots.
lilac walrus
true enough, but there isn't a magic bullet for learning
if you're not willing to put time into learning, you won't, it's that simple
plucky hatch
there is. some people can do , some can't. some want and cannot, some want and cannot. -_-
io am willing. 😛 but little bit learning after a tedious workday isn't effective at all. its like a zombie who learns speaking.
you can't help at all -_-
lilac walrus
the only person who can help you is yourself
plucky hatch
not when you have a job
lilac walrus
"I got where I am by learning in evenings and weekends for the most part"
plucky hatch
some people cannot learn at a specific time, but spontaneous when they feel like.
lilac walrus
(and my days were brutal, I had to commute in-and-out of London during that time)
Look - if you want to learn, you'll find a way
but don't sit in here complaining that you don't have the time, or laying that blame on other people's feet for not helping you
because the only person who can adjust their life to suit their learning is you
plucky hatch
right now i am tired
how can ai learn so? 😄
explain this.
you can learn as much as you want when you're not energized, you won't learn it in the end.
vivid pivot
@lilac walrus Love that attitude! My life motto
plucky hatch
what motto? 😄 are you full with energy or what?
vivid pivot
because the only person who can adjust their life to suit their learning is you
plucky hatch
this is a mindsetphrase.. not biology
what does a cell do when its tired? it works or learns? oo no it rests
i think it rests*
acoustic zealot
One would think it is a matter of how much you really wanna create games?
<-12h + a day on games. That means you'd have 2.5h to learn if you exclude your daily work routine in comparison
dreamy jacinth
A friend messaged me the other day. He said "Hey hows it going?" I said cool. He said "What you upto?". I replied "Just refactoring some code so I can sell it". He said "Do you just work all the time?" and I replied "Yes. You don't master something without putting 10,000 hours in". He replied "That's a Tool album".
plucky hatch
and 2.5 is probably enough to get ready to learn... not to learn really
lilac walrus
it's true enough, it takes 10,000 hours to master something
though about 2000 to become proficient at least
plucky hatch
@acoustic zealot i wanna create them a lot 😮
lilac walrus
I was doing a normal working day, then about another 4-5 hours when I got back
dreamy jacinth
yeah im probably around 4000 hours into game dev coding and I still feel like a noob
acoustic zealot
Then you will find the Energy to learn How. That's how it works
lilac walrus
IIRC, my working day + modding time was from about 5:30am to 11pm, it was brutal, hehe
tough year, but I was working for Microsoft 2 years later, so it paid off in the end 😄
dreamy jacinth
5.30am is the average time I goto sleep after a days coding. If im lucky. Sometimes I have to waste time on sleep to look after the kids in the morning :/
lilac walrus
well, I had to be in work for 8am, and there was a train and tube between then, so...
dreamy jacinth
yeah if only there was something we could do about sleep. I would give it up in a heartbeat
acoustic zealot
^ +1
lilac walrus
I learned to get a bit of powernap time whilst standing on the train xD
useful life skill, that one
dreamy jacinth
heheh
thick terrace
Ive been on a 9am to 2am schedule. Wife doesn’t care for it, but I can be productive when she goes to bed at 10
lilac walrus
fairly understandeable since there are less interruptions
acoustic zealot
They say you should hold your keys when trying to powernap. When you drop them you should have regained a good amount of energy(Read somewhere years ago)
thick terrace
She’s probably dreaming of Ben tristems voice in the background
lilac walrus
if you dropped your keys on a busy London commuter train you'd have a half chance of not seeing them again
plucky hatch
@acoustic zealot when you drop them you're going into other sleep cycle, nothing else.
ashen lynx
When working remotely, the most productive time is definitely at night. All your relatives seem convinced that you aint do no shit, but playing games all day, if you try to work during the day.
At night, it seems that zero fucks are given
thick terrace
I need to find a team, I can’t stay motivated working on trivial projects. I really want to build an rpg or similar
dreamy jacinth
I want to build an rpg but then I've been playing Pillars of Eternity during my wind-down time, so it seems a rather impossible task on my own :/
thick terrace
What time zone are you in?
That’s been the biggest issue for me, everyone seems to be on the other side of the planet
dreamy jacinth
GMT
thick terrace
EST here. Is this a uk server or is game dev just insanely popular over there?
lilac walrus
Europe is big on game dev
dreamy jacinth
its international. but yeah
thick terrace
This pillars of eternity looks fantastic, I’m gonna buy it
dreamy jacinth
I've still not finished Divinity OS so im waiting for the right time for OS2. Just wanted to check out pillars. Its not bad but standard-ish storyline
lilac walrus
OS2 is considerably better than OS1, never finished the first one it was too tedious for me
dreamy jacinth
its a bit drawn out with each area for sure. First area took me forever
plucky hatch
cough
europe has crytek..... (not really, its ouotsourced or? and anno
thats it
and astragon ......
ocean harbor
@plucky hatch about 7 years working without weekends. Had 2 week vacation one time because got chicken pox :D
Didn't burned out on it. I just really like what I do.
ocean harbor
when your daily job is not aligned with what you like to do, then it is harder but still
ocean harbor
there is always an option to "fuckitall", move to China and do your development/training there
plucky hatch
why there?+
ocean harbor
it's cheap, even small savings can buy you some years
ocean harbor
doesn't matter much, you just need pc and internet connection
are you already in China?
plucky hatch
nono
ocean harbor
then it's cheaper 😄
ocean harbor
had impression you where in Germany
vivid pivot
Easy there comrade 😛
ocean harbor
you guys don't have cheap places there?
lilac walrus
even Berlin is pretty cheap by European standards
vivid pivot
Prefer Germany over Dutch prices
plucky hatch
ofc we have. but then you dont have a job.
ocean harbor
like if you really want to spend more time on learning, you can leave job, and use your savings to live and learn somewhere else
plucky hatch
what job is there in a village
vivid pivot
Remote working possible ?
ocean harbor
you needed time for learning, not a new job
plucky hatch
saving money? ahahah. nono. not possible when you pay 350 for a flat.
with 1000 € net there is nothing to save
lilac walrus
only 350?
lilac walrus
my apartment costs more than that out in the arse-end of Eastern Europe
you've got it better than most people
plucky hatch
its sharing flat.
ocean harbor
between 1/4th and 1/3th of income it's normal, even cheap
plucky hatch
350€ flat, 200€ food, 60€ train,
ocean harbor
what else do you need?
lilac walrus
in Guildford rent was about £1200 for our house (split between me and the other half, I paid it)
plucky hatch
nothing ^^
i could save 450 euro per month. that is nothing.., 500 euro is not realistic
i am a very slow learner.
others are always faster than me
the saved money could not buy me enough time
why are we talking about this now? o.o
i never asked about that
lilac walrus
if you're a slow learner than making games may not be for you
standard industry practices can change in the space of a couple of years
thick terrace
That’s the case with most technical jobs
lilac walrus
you need to learn and relearn things all the time, often outside of working hours
plucky hatch
but it must be done
thick terrace
I’d like to switch careers to but I have kind of a cozy day job and can’t afford to quit yet. I’m hoping I’ll be able to in 3 years when I’m 35, but then maybe I’ll, be too old
plucky hatch
i can do it and i will make it 😛 even if only dreams
@thick terrace i thought one can be only too old for a young skin and young appereance?
how can one be too old for a new job? O__O
thick terrace
I imagine game studios being flooded with young people
Age based discrimination is real
thick terrace
I’ve heard it’s hard to find a job with no experience in your late 30s and 40s
Plus I don’t have formal education to back it up
plucky hatch
dunno
thick terrace
Hope I’m wrong 🙈
acoustic zealot
Age & Education doesn't define a good developer. Their portfolio does 😉
lilac walrus
it's not so much age discrimination as the work being less desirable for people 30+
pay is low, hours aren't great and stability isn't guaranteed
not things you want say, if you have a family to deal with
thick terrace
Yeah, that makes sense
thick terrace
Oh, yeah, same here. I’ve got my fiancée, two dogs, two cats. It’s a family, and all I need. She feels differently lol
plucky hatch
oh yes 😃 true animals are much better companion than a human
humans are the biggest deform of animal. a true abnormality
OO
this is an interesting chat
when did it get added?!
thick terrace
This divinity os2 looks awesome
plucky hatch
I'm looking for a Programmer, please DM me
thick terrace
I just bought it, gonna roll a new character after work!
fading yoke
Hey guys I found this good site for finding people to work with for collaborating on small projects (not necessarily for game jams). Not sure if this is the right channel for this, though: https://www.reddit.com/r/INAT/
acoustic zealot
@carmine siren @granite brook ^
granite brook
:P Rev Share
Please buddy, post it into #looking-for-talent
Thanks for notifying Erik!
acoustic zealot
No problemos! 😄
Usually comes a wave of job offers in this channel if one of those post stays up for a few hours so acted quick lol
spice dagger
Who knows, alot of people come from Unity myself included 😃
steel creek
hmmm, jobs are jobs. Its a poor developer who blames his tools. 😄
kindred mason
Can't disagree with that I suppose. But I mean... Are we really going to start allowing GameMakerStudio2 jobs on here?
Actually, if mods don't allow anything but UE4 streams in #share-your-stream , it kinda defeats the point allowing non-UE4 jobs on here as well. Just wouldn't mind set standards I suppose
spice dagger
We had an small talk about it and we agree with you.
shrewd flint
Can anyone recommend a business card printer? I'm thinking of going with Primoprint 18PT C1 (coated one side, uncoated other so it can be written on).
I need to get cards printed up for GDC in uh… less than two weeks now.
kindred mason
@shrewd flint I use Moo
shrewd flint
I was looking into them, but I'm not sure if it's worth it get really nice cards when I need to get 250 or so of these things printed.
urban stump
Just going to second that, I use Moo as well
dim osprey
just realized i posted in the wrong spot (i also use moo)
shell yew
how big that project is, i have drone i know blueprints, but i do not have that much time
kindred mason
Moo is the shit
Any hater on Moo, just a cheap mofo
You gotta think about it
Do you really want to hand out some flimsy Business Card
Or do you want to have an initial impact with it?
Also, haven't decided if it's legit. But some folks think it's best to leave one side blank white, so folks can write whatever they want on it
Or you can before handing it off
flat gazelle
Scan the card, throw it away
Also, learn from my fail. Don't go to Japan with just the small box of cards.....
thick terrace
Anyone looking for help on a project? I’d like to find a team to work with in nearly the same time zone, I’m EST
shrewd flint
@kindred mason I originally had a boring b&w textual design, but I decided to build something with images and gradients so I went with Moo in the end. 👍
amber coyote
@thick terrace whats your forte?
plucky hatch
Forte Night 😉
heady quest
I have to warn everyone about @plucky hatch
he requested landscapes made, we agreed on the assets he would need and then agreed on the price.
he gave the go ahead, we started the work and then he said he's going on holiday..
2 weeks later he is back but since then he blocked me
now we share this server, so that means he blocked me..
could someone ask @plucky hatch to contact me
spice dagger
@heady quest If you had an contract with him and you have already handed over assets without payment you should continue to pursue this, however if neither of those are true your probably just wasting your time. Best to just move on and find another client who is more reliable.
heady quest
he went on "holiday" the day before the map should have been ready
i told im it should be ready tomorrow, then he said oh ok, but i'm going on holliday
nothing have been handed over but the work was done
i know i dont have enough to pursue this, but i can let everyone know to watch out for this guy
spice dagger
Yeah thats fine. Unfortunately in these situations theres not much you can do, sometimes you get burned. Its just an learning experience
plucky hatch
At least your work is safe, you can put them up for sale on MP to make up for your time and hard work.
pastel estuary
^
still sucks though
there was a thread about scam-ish situations on the forums, but its been locked I think
small falcon
Hello Guy's, I just had been scammed too, now I understand why the contracts have taken so much time to come back.
Anyway if there are serious people that search really indie price job you can DM me , it is for a social MMO online that is ported from unity to unreal.
The project is in a good way but need a serious team.
pastel estuary
@small falcon please do read the channel description. job opportunities go into #looking-for-talent and/or #looking-for-work
(we are still discussing on how to streamline this better)
small falcon
@pastel estuary Thanks very much Luos, I was preparing myself to do that. But as I see it was speaking about scam in here I have give my word too.
I think the scamers should need to be listed because they are bunch
pastel estuary
no worries
small falcon
and they repeat their stuffs from guy's to guy's
pastel estuary
the problem is that we cant be 100% sure someone was scamming, and we arent the police in these cases. I do agree there should be something done on a more global scale about it but its hard.
small falcon
I think if there was a list ... and you see the same names come back often it should help everyone.
This is what kill a bunch of indies games ... so it's a kinda Cancer of all this community ( for the both part )
thick terrace
@amber coyote I like working with c++
amber coyote
@thick terrace max could ya pm me with more detail :)
storm cradle
Hello! A few developers and I are currently looking for a new developer who is interested in making a Near Future First Person Shooter, rivaling that of the quality of Ironsight or Call of Duty. This game will be almost completely crowd funded. While being a Near Future game, we have decided not to include the use of Advanced Movement. The Game will likely be sold in 3 Chapters of the Campaign mode in 3 Games with a War mode, Regular Multiplayer, and a Unique Campaign Mode. Message me as soon as possible if interested.
hybrid phoenix
Give them or follow them?
Depending on the topic and that sort of thing, I probably wouldn't mind doing training sessions
deft trench
Hey, I'm looking for someone who is able to create inventory, harvesting, building systems for multiplayer. I'm looking for a quote on it. If your interested dm or reply here
hybrid phoenix
<@&213101288538374145> ?
gentle pewter
done
green birch
Yeah always double check contracts, I lost 8% royalty and all my art and levels to Chivalry: MW due to shady contract loopholes, along with others on the team who were fired right before launch for no reason and lost there stuff too
fading yoke
@green birch That sucks dude! Wow, I thought the Chivalry people were cool.
fickle hatch
@green birch Sorry to hear that man! That's awful
Shady contract loopholes are my nightmare
sick depot
Apparently we are hiring 😄 So if you are interested in working with VR for a funded enterprise start-up working in the educational sector and are a BOSS 😄 at Blueprint's reach out to me. Jeff want's to focus on the biz side of things as we are close to release and looks for someone to take his position as the lead blueprint scripter. Paid, of course.
hybrid phoenix
@sick depot Sounds interesting, you got a bit more information?
(Also because I don't think a lot of people will be very tempted by the ed. sector without further context)
fallow nacelle
Hey could someone help me make a Menu system like Payday 2? /w me if you could 😃 and if you need more info
sick depot
@hybrid phoenix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2OI-iquKFM
Video is pretty old (6 months) but it gives a rough idea of what the project is about
plucky hatch
Anyone wanna make a game together? Dm me or @ meh.
I’m new to this type of stuff btw..
spice dagger
@gentle sleet Use the job bot please #looking-for-talent
gentle sleet
@spice dagger Oh right, sorry - thanks
vivid pivot
@xmanning#0699 please use the bot in #looking-for-talent
ashen lynx
Gents, In need of advice here. I want to get written permission to showcase some of my work, done for current employer. I don't have any NDA's signed, but contract of employment has a clause, that states that work done under the contract shall not become publicly available during duration of the contract and 10 years past its termination. There are no clauses about procedure to bypass this as well as no definition of "become publicly available". I'd guess that a freeform paper, granting me right to show particular elements of the work, signed by the same entity, that signed the contract on behalf of employer, won't override terms of the contract, and won't actually have any legal force, am I right ?
hybrid phoenix
I'd think that that can make it legal
That's generally also specified though
Often times there's a clause about consecutive agreements overriding this one
pastel estuary
client: our game is 160gb in filesize, if you dont have that much space we might need to find another way to get your stuff into the project.
me: https://i.gyazo.com/690faf141bf3530d3f812e4cb25128e8.png
hmm.. might fit barely
finite mulch
All of those are SSD?
kindred mason
nah
As much as @pastel estuary is banking
He can't afford a 2TB SSD atm
Does remind me, let's see if they went down in price
Oh I lied
They are cheap
only #630
4TB is $1300
If you think about it though, not having to worry about space + the speeds of SSD, definitely worth it
pastel estuary
windows/software/ue4/games are ssd
kindred mason
I do think his C: drive is SSD 😃
pastel estuary
m2
kindred mason
Yeah, they are sexy
I have mine still unused in my rig. need to do a fresh install after this game launches
pastel estuary
soon there will be an even faster ssd-ish drive but expensive af
pastel estuary
hmm old url.
kindred mason
And always good to figure out the best storage for working contract and/or folder setup
File strcuture
Which isn't a subject anyone's really talked about
pastel estuary
my art/design has a subfolder for all my client work, which is backed up on a secure cloud thingy ("secure") and well.. version control.
nothing sucks more than losing non-commited work and having to do it over for free
elder mist
Be 1,000 Times Faster Than Current SSDs
Faster than RAM? Faster than L3 cache?
current optane ssds have 2000mbps write speed
oh...optane uses 3d xpoint already...
vernal rune
Sinn is a shady dude, Wouldnt suggest working with him
kindred mason
@vernal rune Why is that?
That's too much of tiny nibble
Man
I haven't had one "Victor is a shady dude" on here once... but also... why the hell can't people do "So-and-so is an awesome dev to work with! Highly Recommend!", we need more of those please.
vernal rune
I was helpin him with his contract job yesterday and he signed off when we got to talking about payment
kindred mason
Maybe he fell asleep?
vernal rune
I doubt it, he blocked me
kindred mason
So, you didn't sign anything?
vernal rune
No
kindred mason
I mean, if you don't sign anything, you usually are doing it out of the goodness of your heart
Any proof that you agreed to a price for the help?
vernal rune
He stopped talking right as we started talking about prices after I helped him
digital gate
wait so you didn't talk about that before helping him?
Bad move there
Appreciate the heads up, but talk pay first
vernal rune
Yes it was a bad move on my part, still doesnt absolve him of his shadyness
I dont want others to be taken advantage of
kindred mason
@gentle sleet your side?
gentle sleet
Just saw this,
Let me help clear it up:
I ended up falling asleep at that point, we never managed to even start.
@kindred mason
vernal rune
You wasted my time dude
gentle sleet
No, he had a few questions to determine whether he could help at all but we never got to do any work. I fell asleep
kindred mason
Yeah, you canucks
gentle sleet
Looool
I just didn't reply when I woke up to "Scumbag", I'm kinda shook he came on here to warn others 😂
acoustic zealot
Kinda embarrasing to call someone out as Shady over nothing at all
I followed the convo, total plot twist.
gentle sleet
The plot thickens
@kindred mason p.s. don't use 4.18 for console dev, my issue was engine-related. Looks like 4.18 has problems with the C++ libraries, I confirmed 4.16 works.
Will submit a bug report.
vernal rune
Fine, I clearly thought I was already helping you when you sent me screenshots Sinn,
Hope you can access those functions
gentle sleet
I sent you screenshots to show you the problem, I needed you to hop on and find a solution.
But I figured it out and we wouldn't have been able to resolve it with any C++ work
That would've been a real time waster 🙄
vernal rune
It was really your file structure
gentle sleet
@kindred mason I was thinking of migrating my 4.18 project files down to a 4.16 project, would that cause any serious problems? If so, I'll move up to 4.19 and test there.
gentle sleet
Even if I do it manually, just moving files?
gentle sleet
fack, okay - hoping 4.19 doesn't have the same issue
tribal trout
Lol that was a whole load of drama.
kindred mason
@tribal trout who wins?
flat gazelle
From only the info Ive seen here, going after some one by warning people from working with someone when something as benign as that has happened is very uncool.
Its may not be blacklist worthy, but its something I would remember if a cv came across my desk. This is a public, searchable chat after all.
ashen lynx
Labeling someone a scumbag just because you haven't received a chat response in 4 hours is not cool at all.
flat gazelle
Indeed
kindred mason
TBH
What's a scumbag anyway
scum, okay,
scummy, scum of the Earth
But add bag
Are you now a Bag of Scum? Paper? Plastic?
"real definition" : https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scumbag says it's a dirty or despicable person.
I guess Cambridge has it closer to what he thought was the offense: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/scumbag
ashen lynx
You can't deny, that concluding that conversation with despicable person instead of scumbag would have been already a sign of professionalism and education.
kindred mason
@ashen lynx lol
hybrid phoenix
@gentle sleet If you open .uasset files in a text editor and change there version there
That said, if anything you're using changed since 4.16, which it almost certainly has, the engine will crash
gentle sleet
@hybrid phoenix I'm going with an upgrade to 4.19 instead (assuming what I need works) but it sucks upgrading engine versions because all of my dynamic material instances get reset and I have to re-do everything (for fading fonts)
smoky junco
I think this can go in here? Some news that may be good for those of us with products to pitch. Good luck for any of you that submit!
http://gametrep.com/2018/03/game-industry-news/opportunity-alert-interactive-gaming-ventures/
spice dagger
@gentle sleet Please dont post multiple job listing for the same position that are days apart.
gentle sleet
@spice dagger Sorry, I wrote in here that I solved the problem and didn't need help anymore but it turns out I didn't
spice dagger
Yes but your original post is literally 1 other post behind. You dont need more exposure.
kindred mason
hmm
@gentle sleet
I'm a curious if you're just doing somethign wrong
Especially since they just said they did sdk updates
gentle sleet
I think I figured it out but can't say for sure yet
kindred mason
But I haven't really dove into PS4 yet, so, don't know what your issue could be
gentle sleet
I'll PM you it, Idk how sensitive it can get
kindred mason
kk
umbral wagon
Hi. I want to create a simple game for kids to teach color, shapes etc
Concept: Animated character present the user with multiple choice sentence like: Press the red circle. If the user presses the correct shape gets 1+ point and the character gives him motivation. If the user presses the wrong shape the character tells him to try again. The level contains 20 questions
How is the blueprint setup to control the character animation and the pressing of the correct answer??
elder mist
@umbral wagon this is wrong chat for such question...i've answered on #ue4-general
honest cipher
reading up 🍿
kindred mason
@honest cipher lol
warped musk
Me and my team need a 3d artist for two modular kits
This is the cover of our game
brisk heart
read this channels topic pls
vernal rune
So I made a totall ass of myself last week, no one owes me any forgiveness or anything like that, but I apologize to Sinn and to the community for spreading that kind of Toxicity, again, my bad, I was acting out and it was uncool, sorry to dredge shit up from days ago but it's been weighing on me for being a totall ass. Sorry.
polar dagger
@warped musk are you asking from me, i have been into unreal engine from past i think 2 years, but don't have that much knowledge and experience due to family work and such things
warped musk
I feel it man I've been learning unreal for the last 3 years lol
polar dagger
i do got some experience in game making as i have been using another 2D engine from past 5 years, but never got much time for unreal, yeah it's my bad luck i know
warped musk
Yea I've been working raising my kid and developing busy busy busy
I just now started reaching out to the community lol smh
plucky hatch
Hi, we are currently looking for someone to make the inventory system for us if interested message us, we will pay you
untold granite
Please use the #looking-for-work channel to post such "ad"s @young hawk 😃 Check the channel topic there to see how to create a post
young hawk
😃 ok
kindred mason
@eternal drum please remove and post in #looking-for-work
eternal drum
oki
languid meadow
Hello guys
I am looking for feedback on my portfolio/resume website. If you could have a look here please:
hallarazad.com
languid meadow
Thanks buddy. Can you please tell more?
digital gate
wow you list a lot of langs on your resume
languid meadow
I haven't listed anything that I don't know
digital gate
eh
Didn't try to imply you were listing things you'd never used
JSON is an interesting choice is all I'm saying
lilac walrus
my first piece of feedback is to ditch those 'skill numbers', they're completely meaningless
languid meadow
Ah no problem mate! I didn't mean it 😄 I was just assertive
Okay @lilac walrus . Could you please let me know why do you think they're meaningless? And can you suggest any alternative to show my skills?
languid meadow
yup
digital gate
Why've you got a lib and a format under langauges?
lilac walrus
the numbers mean absolutely nothing - what's a '50', what's an '85'?
languid meadow
Actually I wanted to show my key skills
lilac walrus
better to talk about experience with regard to what you've actually done
digital gate
languid meadow
Oh sorry you talking about resume
languid meadow
No, I really appreciate the feedback on resume
Thanks. I am interested to know more
digital gate
And just list Visual Studio
languid meadow
Oops!
haha, I didn't realize I have been working on it for past several months
last*
digital gate
Actually I'd say if you're not actively using stuff in your work within the last 6 mo you might consider dropping it
languid meadow
Are you sure?
digital gate
Well maybe not like your projects/experience section
languid meadow
I think companies/clients may be interested to know about technical background
digital gate
But think of it like this: when you look at an artists portfolio they're either going to only show their best/current work, or you're going to wonder why they're showing every little thing they ever did
Like, I've made games in a little flash maker thing.
languid meadow
Yeah, agree
digital gate
Do I list that on my site/resume?
languid meadow
I got you
So you mean I only need to write my game dev related stuff
not my past web dev skillset
digital gate
I've also used HTML/CSS/JS and PHP+JSON... right? But I'm not proficient at them. They're not an active part of my work, nor are they a skill I ever really built.
And if you're truly proficient and actively use all this tech, that's great but in general I'd trim the fat.
languid meadow
Yeah I get it. I think you're right.
digital gate
You can keep Web Development though, from your other category.
languid meadow
Or maybe we can keep it in a slightly less emphasized section?
digital gate
the profile section?
digital gate
needs a pass, content is fine.
digital gate
?
languid meadow
ImmutableLambda
digital gate
be able to reach natural way of interaction
excerpt from that section
be able to more naturally interact is one possible grammatical improvement.
languid meadow
wow!!
digital gate
That's what I mean by a grammar pass
languid meadow
that sounds much better
digital gate
Yeah, and there's a lot of sections where what you're saying is fine but could be said in a better way