#career-chat | Unreal Source | Page 42

hybrid phoenix Jan 9, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Sort of the weird in between

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Too artsy for programmers, too programmy for artists

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That's usually how I look at it

open isle Jan 9, 2018, 3:58 PM

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Gotcha :D

chrome bone Jan 9, 2018, 5:47 PM

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game engineer

lilac walrus Jan 9, 2018, 5:50 PM

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eh?

kindred mason Jan 9, 2018, 6:19 PM

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Speaking of tech artists...

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Going to be posting something up soon for one

kindred mason Jan 9, 2018, 7:36 PM

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And done. Tech Artist with AI/Animation skills. Read that post.

hybrid phoenix Jan 9, 2018, 8:24 PM

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Yeah I think I hate the animation blueprints a bit too much to consider that 😛

kindred mason Jan 9, 2018, 8:35 PM

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@hybrid phoenix A shame, we're paying decently for it.

hybrid phoenix Jan 9, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Don't have nearly enough experience with anim stuff

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Did a lot with it in Unity

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I've been playing with trail-based physics-y tail/head physics etc

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But that's about my extent of anim-blueprint knowledge 😛

strong shoal Jan 10, 2018, 12:04 AM

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Is it impossible to get a job abroad if you don't have a bachelors?

flat gazelle Jan 10, 2018, 12:05 AM

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Yes

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It's just harder in some countries

strong shoal Jan 10, 2018, 12:06 AM

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I imagine anywhere east europe would want a degree

flat gazelle Jan 10, 2018, 12:06 AM

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No idea

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Within EU is very much doable without it

strong shoal Jan 10, 2018, 12:15 AM

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Hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to study in another country

plucky hatch Jan 10, 2018, 3:24 AM

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Why do some employers think that just because we're looking for work we have all the time on earth...

vivid pivot Jan 10, 2018, 3:25 AM

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There is a story behind that comment 😉

plucky hatch Jan 10, 2018, 3:26 AM

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xD

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The best one who asks me to fill a test

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And turns out im overqualified to their offers

strong shoal Jan 10, 2018, 3:34 AM

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0_o

vivid pivot Jan 10, 2018, 3:35 AM

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Should also feel good in some way (silver lining) 😬

strong shoal Jan 10, 2018, 3:35 AM

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Definitely. I just think that's weird on their part

vivid pivot Jan 10, 2018, 3:36 AM

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Ow yeah sure, but also depends on "how" overqualified and when they knew. Like before or after the test or they used it just as an excuse for something else (budget change etc)

strong shoal Jan 10, 2018, 3:38 AM

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At my last interview I couldn't get a good read if they liked me or not.

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To be fair I also hadn't played the multiplayer mode in their game extensively. And I got pwnd by a simple interpretation math problem ha

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Interpolation*

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@vivid pivot do you mind if I PM you about your interview?

vivid pivot Jan 10, 2018, 3:44 AM

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Euhm which one? Azarus had an interview

strong shoal Jan 10, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Lol my b. Your avatars confused me

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@plucky hatch do you mind if I PM you about your interview?

plucky hatch Jan 10, 2018, 3:49 AM

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yes and no, im just busy with banking right now 😄

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What you wan to know?

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This was 2 weeks ago btw

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and they just got back to me with the results

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while i already got a contract in germany in the meantime

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🙄

strong shoal Jan 10, 2018, 3:54 AM

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Sounds like you dodged a bullet

plucky hatch Jan 10, 2018, 3:56 AM

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Yeah well, I have 34 github repositories. If anybody wants a test from me still. I'll just remove contact / continue with my dinner in the future

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Anyways, if anyone knows steemit.com and is in crypto currencies

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Maybe is interested earning some side income

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I got roughly ~$2700 since december 28

lilac walrus Jan 10, 2018, 8:26 AM

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hehe, I applied to DICE a while back - it took them six months to offer me an interview

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by which time it was obviously too late for them

vivid pivot Jan 10, 2018, 8:26 AM

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😮 six months... seriously

lilac walrus Jan 10, 2018, 8:29 AM

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yeah, by which time I had already interviewed twice somewhere else, relocated to another country, and been working there for three months

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you snooze, you lose!

vivid pivot Jan 10, 2018, 8:32 AM

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Good selection process, hardly any interviews kappa

lilac walrus Jan 10, 2018, 8:36 AM

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generally speaking, if I apply somewhere and don't hear back within around 3-4 weeks, I'd assume I didn't get the job, heh

vivid pivot Jan 10, 2018, 8:38 AM

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Make sense to me, cannot wait around forever. Gotta create income

lilac walrus Jan 10, 2018, 8:54 AM

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yup

strong shoal Jan 10, 2018, 8:58 AM

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That's so strange. Usually hear back pretty quickly

rare merlin Jan 10, 2018, 5:37 PM

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hey, does anyone have an urban buidling models/assets

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the texturing is too important

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please send me a message if you could whip some up/having any laying around, thanks. 😃

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sorry ive read the pervious conversations and this may not have been the place

nimble halo Jan 10, 2018, 7:38 PM

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Is Coursera worth anything?

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On Resume, or such?

honest cipher Jan 10, 2018, 10:11 PM

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i did the stanford AI course from start to finish

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its not on my resume in linkedin

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their value is pretty damn low, really

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but you can say in your resume that you finished it and know a bit about AI

nimble halo Jan 10, 2018, 10:53 PM

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Ah, ok. I keep getting it recommended by friends, and that it's supposedly highly approved in resumes.

kindred mason Jan 10, 2018, 11:13 PM

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@spice dagger hook me up with a delete in #looking-for-talent

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Just reposted.

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Thanks!

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damnit

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oh he's back )

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noooooooooooooo

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the wrong one @spice dagger

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😦

spice dagger Jan 10, 2018, 11:14 PM

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...

digital gate Jan 10, 2018, 11:14 PM

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lmao

kindred mason Jan 10, 2018, 11:14 PM

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Well

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If you saw the pic

spice dagger Jan 10, 2018, 11:14 PM

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Lol

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Which one?

kindred mason Jan 10, 2018, 11:14 PM

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You could have seen the diff 😃

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the one yesterday

digital gate Jan 10, 2018, 11:15 PM

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So like. I dunno. Maybe this could be a bot feature.

kindred mason Jan 10, 2018, 11:15 PM

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k ty

digital gate Jan 10, 2018, 11:15 PM

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#JustSaying

spice dagger Jan 10, 2018, 11:16 PM

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Yeah we know man. Nick just doesnt want to give us the ability to help with that so its all on him.

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Bug him because we have tried and he seems very reluctant (for whatever reason) to allow us to help write the bot.

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All good now @kindred mason ?

kindred mason Jan 10, 2018, 11:18 PM

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@spice dagger ya, thanks man

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as long as you don't delete my new one 😉

spice dagger Jan 10, 2018, 11:19 PM

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I promise

kindred mason Jan 10, 2018, 11:38 PM

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hmm

brisk heart Jan 11, 2018, 2:01 AM

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@plucky hatch hey im planning to start minning shortly, mind if I dm you tommorow and ask few questions regarding that topic? Wont take much of your time. Please let me know if thats allright or not. Thanks

plucky hatch Jan 11, 2018, 3:02 AM

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@lilac walrus lol im talkinf about the same. Really would appriciate if the employers would appriciate our time a little lol.

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@@brisk heart im not a crypto genius soo i can only answer just as much as i you can find in google

kindred mason Jan 12, 2018, 12:04 AM

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@burnt mirage What the wage info since you posting in here instead of the right channel? #looking-for-talent

burnt mirage Jan 12, 2018, 12:04 AM

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oh shoot, I have no clue how to post it in there 😛

kindred mason Jan 12, 2018, 12:04 AM

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You should look in the channel

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And topic

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pinned msg

burnt mirage Jan 12, 2018, 12:04 AM

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gotcha, my bad

terse terrace Jan 12, 2018, 5:26 AM

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Looking to talk to someone about designing a spectator screen work around that would allow someone to click on buttons displayed on the VR spectator screen to generate events for the VR player - the events are all hooked up -- having this work would negate the need for a second computer or using an UWS interface, which is another whole set of tedium to deal with

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I'm calling it quits for the night but leave a message if you are interested....there's a workaround with getting the mouse position and setting a variable to true if the x/y is in a certain button's 2d vector range

plucky hatch Jan 12, 2018, 7:32 AM

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@kindred mason
have sent you a query regarding level design job
Would love have some sort of reply when possible for you!

lilac walrus Jan 12, 2018, 9:24 AM

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"Level Designer Animator" 🤔

hybrid phoenix Jan 12, 2018, 9:24 AM

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Was looking at that just now, too

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Interesting skillset to ask for

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I think I know exactly one person that's good at animating and sort of competent at LD

fickle hatch Jan 12, 2018, 9:56 AM

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I did some animation and level design!

hybrid phoenix Jan 12, 2018, 10:02 AM

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Same

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Still a crap animator though

kindred mason Jan 12, 2018, 1:40 PM

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I thought you were all talking about my posts

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I was like...f*ck my life...I thought I broke it up into two posts

eager bobcat Jan 12, 2018, 5:08 PM

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xsend

plucky hatch Jan 12, 2018, 9:01 PM

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saw that Monochrome is advertising for a position on contagion. didnt know it was still a thing considering the fact that ive not seen an update for it in years

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How would I go about posting a job listing?

ocean harbor Jan 12, 2018, 9:07 PM

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look at pinned message in #looking-for-talent

plucky hatch Jan 12, 2018, 9:08 PM

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yeah i just looked at the pinned messaged and came back to delete my message :p

mellow heath Jan 13, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Hey guys can someone help me with showing me how to put your ue4 game into the Google play store or into the app store

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I'm confused on how people take the game from ue4 and put it in an app store for mobile devices

plucky hatch Jan 13, 2018, 8:49 PM

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@here any programmer or Level Designer for Ue? There?

kindred mason Jan 13, 2018, 10:37 PM

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@Red Wolf#2029 ?

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@plucky hatch hmm... unless..oh you changed your name

plucky hatch Jan 14, 2018, 5:24 AM

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@kindred mason ? :/

vague mortar Jan 14, 2018, 6:17 PM

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[paid] I find programmer for create function. Contact me in private 😬

plucky hatch Jan 14, 2018, 6:36 PM

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Any 3D Artist to work at mobile game? The payment method is royalty

granite vapor Jan 15, 2018, 2:54 AM

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Hello, I am a student, I was just wondering if I should focus on blueprints or c++ for unreal jobs?

digital gate Jan 15, 2018, 3:18 AM

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@granite vapor learn both, focus C++

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Or if you wanna avoid C++, learn more than just BP.

granite vapor Jan 15, 2018, 3:42 AM

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@digital gate Thanks for the response. But what is more important to employers? BP or C++?

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 3:43 AM

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@granite vapor Depends on the employer

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TBH, if you could learn other languages other than C++/BP, that would be immensely helpful

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Especially anything to do with backend server tech

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Just depends on what you want to do

vivid pivot Jan 15, 2018, 3:43 AM

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Yeah, also on your ambitions. Which parts of the game would you like to program... whats your expertise

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 3:44 AM

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Yeah, like I focus mainly on Gameplay Programming

vivid pivot Jan 15, 2018, 3:44 AM

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Also if you want to learn C++, pick up a C++ book or course. Unreal C++ is heavily modified

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 3:45 AM

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I would still strongly suggest not learning C++ as your first language

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If it will be your first

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If you already have some OOP background, then sure, why not.

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If not. And I know I'm probably the minority here, I'd suggest Ruby/Python

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Both are still vital to gamedev anyway

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With C# being just behind C++

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Just depends on how fast you learn also

granite vapor Jan 15, 2018, 3:47 AM

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Thanks for the wonderful response everyone! I know how to program with c++, but I never really applied it with UE4, I've just been using BP. So I was just wondering if incorporating c++ to my projects would benefit my employment chances

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 3:47 AM

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@granite vapor hmm, as long as you know your way around the engine and you're comfortable in BP and the Gameplay Framework

granite vapor Jan 15, 2018, 3:47 AM

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Would it be better to specialize in something, or be a jack of all trades?

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 3:48 AM

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I don't see why you'd suffer by converting a BP project over to C++

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As a learning process

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@granite vapor That is something noone but you will be able to answer

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Depends on what you want to do

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And like @vivid pivot said, your ambitions

granite vapor Jan 15, 2018, 3:49 AM

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@kindred mason Thank you so much for putting the time to respond, I really appreciate it! I'll start to incorporate C++ on my projects.

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 3:49 AM

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You could try to be a generalist

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And if you don't like it

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Specialize in something you do

plucky hatch Jan 15, 2018, 6:24 AM

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Can we pin that no to disturb me with free work? a
And middlemans can also leave me alone?

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maybe would help

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🙃

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 6:40 AM

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@plucky hatch Huh?

plucky hatch Jan 15, 2018, 6:40 AM

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ppl are bugging me

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 6:40 AM

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Why are they bugging you?

plucky hatch Jan 15, 2018, 6:41 AM

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to work for free

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 6:41 AM

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Ah

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@plucky hatch So, if I gave you a dollar, you'll be okay?

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What about 5million Dallars?

plucky hatch Jan 15, 2018, 6:42 AM

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hoq about you leave your moms house and get a job?

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 6:42 AM

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rofl

plucky hatch Jan 15, 2018, 6:42 AM

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maybe that will help your sense of humour

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 6:43 AM

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Now I see why people bug you

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Completely justified now

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Rock on!

plucky hatch Jan 15, 2018, 6:43 AM

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:D its you buggin me with your stupid things

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anyways i have more imprtant things to do than to deal with an another donkey

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 6:46 AM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/shrek-donkey-gif-9wx3Ah9HBCywU

Giphy

hybrid phoenix Jan 15, 2018, 9:16 AM

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Well damn son

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Usually Victor's the salty one in these kinds of conversations

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Am I the only one that's honestly disturbed by the lack of information serious people willing to pay for work are supplying in #looking-for-talent?

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Every single time I look through the paid jobs, there's just some stuff that could be interesting, but god knows if it is based on their lack of description and specifications. It's really a waste of time for both parties to have to go into separate conversations to explain the actual job offer, and I suspect the poster might lose quite some applicants that way, too

lilac walrus Jan 15, 2018, 9:20 AM

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the quality of a job is often defined by the quality of the advert

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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if they can't be arsed to define the role in the offer, chances are they'll put just as much effort into the spec

hybrid phoenix Jan 15, 2018, 9:21 AM

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Yeah that's my take on it at this point, too

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I'm just incredibly surprised when stuff is posted by actual proper companies/projects and the adverts still suck as if it was an afterthought

lilac walrus Jan 15, 2018, 9:22 AM

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I suspect that often comes from HR people who don't know anything about what they're hiring for but didn't put up the spec given to them by the hiring lead either

hybrid phoenix Jan 15, 2018, 9:25 AM

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Suppose that'd make sense

vivid pivot Jan 15, 2018, 12:35 PM

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@wet kayakth_#3091 Please post that in #looking-for-talent and remove here

terse pasture Jan 15, 2018, 10:49 PM

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help me

drowsy tundra Jan 15, 2018, 10:56 PM

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@kindred mason did you paste your link into the post creator with ellipses, or did the embed formatting mess with it?

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Either way, the link is broken :/

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 10:56 PM

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fml

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That was unreal bot

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or maybe me

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I don't know.guess I'll redo anyway because it doesn't like VR

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it does Vr

drowsy tundra Jan 15, 2018, 10:58 PM

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Yeah, it looks like it does that kind of stuff on the other posts too

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.setTitle(`${titleCase(role)} - ${titleCase(employer)}`)

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Nice, it forces title case in the posts 🙃

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(well, I guess we already knew that part, haha)

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 11:00 PM

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😃

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Anyways, thanks for the catch

drowsy tundra Jan 15, 2018, 11:00 PM

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Yep, link looks alright now 👍

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 11:01 PM

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@carmine siren @north narwhal Can you please remove the previously bad post in #looking-for-talent NOT the most recent one, ehem....DevilsD... Thanks!

north narwhal Jan 15, 2018, 11:02 PM

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which one?

spice dagger Jan 15, 2018, 11:02 PM

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Lel @kindred mason

north narwhal Jan 15, 2018, 11:02 PM

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the one at 2:50 or the one at 2:57?

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2:57 rather

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I did a quick look at them and cant tell which one is bad 😛

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im assuming the older one

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 11:04 PM

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@north narwhal yes please

north narwhal Jan 15, 2018, 11:04 PM

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donezo

kindred mason Jan 15, 2018, 11:04 PM

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Thanks

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@spice dagger 😉

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Opinions from people here

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I keep helping people out here

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And obviously that's free

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That said, I'm losing quite some time to it occasionaly (without realising) and when people PM me it just becomes 1-on-1 help

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Which, to be fair, should be paid consultancy

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How do you guys deal with that, if at all?

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And if you just don't use this place to generate income, what do you use?

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I'd like to see if I can start making some more money through freelancing work, as either BP, LD or VFX guy, but I'm really not quite sure where to actually get jobs

kindred mason Jan 16, 2018, 5:26 PM

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@Mr4Goosey#8437 Just don't accept 1on1

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Or ignore them

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Otherwise, yes. Ask for compensation for your time.

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If they really want 1on1

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Just depends on the problem and if I am in a good mood that day though

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I sometimes help out folks for free in PMs

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But I also have a very nice and steady source of income, so I am just basically "giving back to the community"

lilac walrus Jan 16, 2018, 5:33 PM

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if people PM you asking for help, just direct them straight back to the appropriate Discord channel

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 6:03 PM

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@hybrid phoenix If you are good with effects in general and not just Unreal I might be able to hand over a couple of my clients to you when I get out of the freelancing game next month

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 6:04 PM

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@flat gazelle Really appreciate, but I don't really do stuff outside of UE4 (and Unity) and I'm nowhere near your level ;3

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 6:05 PM

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Too bad

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Not enough VFX freelancers

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 6:05 PM

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What kind of stuff are they looking at?

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Houdini FX?

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Not really sure what to do in terms of VFX outside of the enfines ;3

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Nah it's all in game effects, but you need to make all the sourcematerial to it as well

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So they ask for an explosion, I need to either draw it or sim it

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Right now I only have Unreal and unity clients

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Right

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Had to turn the frostbiters down

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Yeah I kinda don't do source materials very well ;3

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Hehe, well that'd be a problem for freelancing

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 9:21 PM

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More focused on shader magic and that sort of thing

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Right

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That'd be tech-art, not VFX

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Blurred line ;3

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And as for creating your own source material, does that mean you simulate explosions in Houdini and take the outcome as textutr?

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 9:30 PM

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Yeah

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Sometimes

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When it's needed

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 9:32 PM

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You never use other assets?

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 9:35 PM

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Other assets?

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Like Marketplace stuff?

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 9:36 PM

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Or publicly available stuff

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 9:36 PM

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I use stockfootage to make textures and so on, of course.

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But unless I'm embedded with a team where the person who created an effect I veeeery rarely build from someone elses effects

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Ah yeah no I think I'm confusing what you're calling source materials

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I make my own particle stuff and that sort of thing

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I'm really referring to stuff like e.g. an explosion alpha texture

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 9:42 PM

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I mean, you use what you need to make it. Sometimes you need to simulate it. Sometimes you can buy some stock and build it in after effects.

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So far I have yet to come across a ready made one (outside of game teams) that's up to snuff

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 9:43 PM

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Fair enough, but if you get decent results that's the main thing, right

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Ah I don't know

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 9:43 PM

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Of course

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The way there is irrelevant

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 9:43 PM

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This is why I'm not confident freelancinf ;3

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 9:44 PM

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But the problem with using premade stuff comes when the client says, "Cool! but could you make it a bit wispier and longer?"

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 9:44 PM

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I could probably deliver stuff most people are happy with, but finding jobs I'm confident taking... That's painful

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Yeah I'm well-versed enough to do that sort of thing

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Photoshop and material stuffs are my friends

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And I know my way around blender, as lonf as you don't ask me to model organic stuff from scratch

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 9:46 PM

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Hehe, Photoshop won't save ya when they ask for wispier tertiary motion

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 9:46 PM

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xD

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 9:47 PM

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Also keep in mind that many freelance contracts state that you sign over ownership all your content to them on delivery which can get troublesome if you use premade stuff

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 9:47 PM

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Suppose that's the knowledge etc that comes with doing it a ton

flat gazelle Jan 16, 2018, 9:47 PM

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yeah

hybrid phoenix Jan 16, 2018, 9:47 PM

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Right, so check licenses on premade stuff

violet canyon Jan 18, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Looking for some one who can create me a model. Is there a location or/ place I can go for that. I’m still learning unreal but would like to use a model

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Character model. To be more Pacific

tired pine Jan 18, 2018, 1:13 AM

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#looking-for-talent pinned messages

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@violet canyon

plucky hatch Jan 18, 2018, 7:19 AM

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Hey anyone have any experience with marketplace sound asset creation?

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:03 PM

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How do you guys actually find people who offer freelance work?

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Upwork isn't exactly suited for gamedev, not sure what else to do

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:07 PM

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Beg

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Plead

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Steal

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Bribe

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Spam

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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If people don't want to work on your project

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It's probably not because of you

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Or maybe it is

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But, most likely due to not being interested in the project itself

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I don't know. I haven't had any problems with people PMing/Emailing me about my job offers

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The problem is finding the right candidate 😭

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But I guess to answer your question another way.

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I post everywhere my offers.

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Oh yeah no, I mean uh

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I'm looking for work ;3

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@kindred mason

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And I don't have a clue where to do so

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:21 PM

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@Mr4Goosey#8437 Oh, the way you said it sounded like the opposite

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Hm

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Well maybe not

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:21 PM

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People can't tag me

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:21 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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@Mr4Goosey#8437

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:21 PM

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That's weird

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:21 PM

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because you are offline

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Try now?

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM

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@Mr4Goosey#8437

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM

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Tags should also work offline

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Eh

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM

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hmm

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM

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Weid

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM

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📎 unknown.png

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM

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Weird*

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Aaanyway

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Where do you find work 😛

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM

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hmm

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM

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Because I genuinely don't know

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM

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I used to just grab stuff from Upwork

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or the forums

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM

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I'd love to make at least some kind of money to contribute to my cost of living

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM

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or on here

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM

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But I don't know where to start 😛

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:22 PM

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But, it's been a LONG TIME since I've had to do that

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:23 PM

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See, I've looked at Upwork

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But that's not really gamedev oriented

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:23 PM

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I mainly just get WOM/PMs/Emails/Linkedin invites to jobs now

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Sometimes Facebook, but that's super rare

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Upwork is gamedev?

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Maybe you mean freelancer

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which is shit

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Well

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I don't exclusively want to do programming

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So yeah, Upwork also has gamedev stuff

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:24 PM

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?

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they have art?

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:24 PM

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But it doesn't let me enter e.g. technical art as skill

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Or Blueprint

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:24 PM

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I mean, I looked for all types of stuff on Upwork

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Or heck, even Unreal Engine

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:24 PM

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relating to gamedev...

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so you just need to figure out how to properly use it

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Yeah, you just have no clue how to use it

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Because they definitely have UE4/Unreal engine tags

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But I haven't been on there in awhile

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Because I don't need to;)

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:25 PM

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📎 unknown.png

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:25 PM

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So unless they just deleted it

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who cares about blueprints?

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that's not even a language

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You just look at the damn titles

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Technical art does't go in there either

dense heath Jan 18, 2018, 3:26 PM

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its unreal script i think

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:26 PM

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^

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Lol

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:26 PM

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But regardless

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Just search for Unreal Engine

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and look at the titles

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Because they won't tag it right anyway

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But they'll put it in the titles or descriptions

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Also suggest the skills

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the more the merrier

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But anyway, Upwork is poop

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so good luck on there

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Wellp, gotta start somewhere ;3

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Afaik the forums are worse ;3

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:28 PM

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hmm

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Depends

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The issue with the forums are people like @opal cloak @granite brook and others have long history there

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So their threads are longer and more established

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But I don't see why (if you market yourself correctly) anyone new couldn't grab attention

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I mean, I didn't start freelancing until last summer and while it was a slow first two weeks, things ramped up incredibly fast.

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:31 PM

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So make a thread on the UE4 forums, then?

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:39 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Up to you

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It's you looking for a job, not me

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 3:40 PM

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Make sure you have a website which shows examples of your work and a way to contact you. I had to close down my contact form once I was beyond fully booked. Never got ay offers from a forum.

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Reach out to studios

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:40 PM

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Aye, present/market yourself well

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I dont know if mine is any good now

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but..

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I don't even know how to look for it

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one sec

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https://forums.unrealengine.com/community/got-skills-looking-for-talent/looking-for-work/120530-victor-burgos-games-3-years-exp-formerly-100-approval-rating-former-u-s-marine-and-game-dev-graduate-from-scad

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 3:41 PM

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I link to my website whenever somebody asks, I link it in LinkedIn and in signatures and so on. Build your name up. I got contacted because people had seen me on a couple of forums helping people.

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:41 PM

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I noticed I used my website on Discord

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Might take into account the random emails now

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Because otherwise, not sure where they are getting it from

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other than this post

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 3:42 PM

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I went to GDC to present myself and meet with people. My longest break during those days was 45 minutes. The rest was networking, presenting and meeting.

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:42 PM

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Also, I trolled myself in my headline

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Speaking of which, need to redo my business cards and update my website

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Lots has happened since last summer

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:49 PM

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To what degree is an actual website with own domain a requirement?

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Either you have your own domain, or an artstation. Wordpress.com/aws0metechart is not going to get clicked

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Currently sporting https://www.artstation.com/victorgoossens

ArtStation

Victor D. Goossens

UE4 / Unity -|- Level Design / Technical Art / Programming

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Iirc

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Do people actually ever look at the Artstation portfolio sites, or do they just go through your normal artstation?

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Don't know what that means

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😛

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One problem for freelancers using artstation is that you don't have a good place to describe what services you offer

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:55 PM

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HM

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That's a good point

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 3:56 PM

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No more Victors allowed

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Victor D. Goossens VS Victor Burgos

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Think that's a clear enough distinction ;3

lilac walrus Jan 18, 2018, 3:57 PM

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If you want to work for upwork money, I'll hire you :p

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You should be aware that upwork money is not worth working for

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 3:58 PM

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^

lilac walrus Jan 18, 2018, 3:58 PM

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people want full days of work for something like $5

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it's a joke

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 3:58 PM

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So don't bother with upwork, then?

lilac walrus Jan 18, 2018, 3:58 PM

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half the time a job is complaining about how badly the last guy (lowest bidder of course) did it and want you to fix it (hiring the lowest bidder again, probably)

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yeah, don't bother with it

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keep your eye on the jobs channel here and on the forums

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:05 PM

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https://forums.unrealengine.com/community/got-skills-looking-for-talent/looking-for-work/1415112-victor-d-goossens-technical-artist-programmer-level-designer

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Criticism is welcome ^^

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Delete ictor

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from your first name

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Also, don't do things you can't do

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Or rather, don't market yourself as things you probably can't do

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But looks cool because you saw it on other threads 😉

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:13 PM

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Why'd you say I should do V. D. Goossens?

kindred mason Jan 18, 2018, 5:13 PM

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I was being silly

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:13 PM

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Figured ;3

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And as far as I see I don't do things I can't do

steel creek Jan 18, 2018, 5:13 PM

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Id remove anything that sounds negative. "Pretty old portfolio".... no one needs to know how old it is, that just reflects badly on you being able to update it.

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Yeah, I literally just changed that

steel creek Jan 18, 2018, 5:14 PM

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XD

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:14 PM

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;3

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But @kindred mason what'd you say I can't do that I say I can?

plucky hatch Jan 18, 2018, 5:37 PM

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currently looking for Level Designers who are familiar with UE4 level design tools, to assist me in UE4 level prototyping/rough sketching for 3D platformer type of a game, DM me, tyvm

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 5:37 PM

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"All of the above, and possibly others which are not listed, are available services."

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If you don't know exactly what you can do, why should I hire you

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:39 PM

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There might be stuff I can do that I forgot to list there? As in "Oh, he can do that and that, so he can maybe do that as well?"

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Should I just get rid of that bit? 😛

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@flat gazelle

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My line of thought is just that an exhaustive list is pretty... Big 😛

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 5:40 PM

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It reads as: I don't know my speciality.

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:40 PM

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Sooo yes, get rid of it

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x3

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Was looking at how to put it otherwise or how to say which stuff I prefer

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But uh

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Yeah

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All the stuff I listed is stuff I'd like to do and feel confident doing

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x3

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 5:42 PM

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It's a very granular list

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:44 PM

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So what'd you suggest, then?

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 5:44 PM

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Simplify it. What do you do?

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Alright

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Technical art, level design, blueprint

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Leave it at that?

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Something like that. If a client want details, they can ask

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On my services list I have 4 things (with some explanations).
Custom VFX Creation
Creation of VFX Bundles
Tutorial Creation
Small group mentoring.

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Now I could fill several pages with all the different aspects of just Custom VFX Creation I do

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But people ask, and when they ask you have the possibility to sell yourself even more

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:48 PM

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There, updated

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Better?

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Yep

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Thanks for the advice 😃

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 5:49 PM

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No problem

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Also, why're you quitting freelancing?

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(If you don't mind me asking)

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Accepted a fulltime job

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It was too much fun to pass up on

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:52 PM

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VFX?

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Yeah

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Ubisoft Stockholm

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:53 PM

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Awesome, congrats!

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 5:53 PM

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Cheers

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:54 PM

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That Avatar game, by any chance? ;3

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 5:54 PM

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yep

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Oof

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I'd almost be jealous

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I can see why that's too much fun to pass up for VFX

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Enjoy

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x3

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 5:55 PM

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And I'll be part of building the studio and culture

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Yup

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Figured

flat gazelle Jan 18, 2018, 5:55 PM

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That's what's most exciting

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 5:59 PM

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~~Hmm, open LD positions at Stockholm...~~

fickle jasper Jan 18, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Avatar huh, you can go nuts with the vfx rofl

hybrid phoenix Jan 18, 2018, 6:43 PM

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^

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Still wanna do an Avatar environment sometime

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Just for funsies

north narwhal Jan 19, 2018, 11:46 PM

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on it

kindred mason Jan 19, 2018, 11:46 PM

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ty

gusty nebula Jan 20, 2018, 12:54 AM

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every project i work on by myself feels like the wrong project

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does anyone else feel that way

kindred mason Jan 20, 2018, 1:14 AM

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@gusty nebula not the right channel for this?

strong shoal Jan 20, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Could I get an entry level job with this portfolio? https://calebsmth54.github.io

kindred mason Jan 20, 2018, 4:13 AM

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@mastersmith98#8686 Depends

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What job

north meteor Jan 20, 2018, 5:48 PM

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I need someone to port characters from another game and their animations

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Model and animation*

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Can anybody take me up? Dm me.

hybrid phoenix Jan 20, 2018, 7:38 PM

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Should we be reading that as "Help me facilitate stealing assets"...?

wheat hinge Jan 20, 2018, 8:37 PM

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Unless they literally mean using the unreal migration tool

proper creek Jan 21, 2018, 1:46 AM

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can anyone hlep me with rigging a pair of FPP arms. I have them and the current rig isnt compatable with unreal. DM me pls

chrome bone Jan 22, 2018, 6:37 AM

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@proper creek look up retargeting a skeleton in ue4 documentation. Surprisingly easy once you know how it works

proper creek Jan 22, 2018, 6:51 AM

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@chrome bone thanks I’ll give it a look 😃

chrome bone Jan 22, 2018, 7:02 AM

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https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Animation/RetargetingDifferentSkeletons/

Animation Retargeting (Different Skeletons)

Retargeting animations for use between different skeletons.

proven badger Jan 22, 2018, 12:08 PM

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hey, in France, you have to be a student to be able to do internships. Is it the same in other countries ? Or can you do an internship like a "test period" for a company

lilac walrus Jan 22, 2018, 12:08 PM

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it varies from country to country

minor tusk Jan 22, 2018, 12:39 PM

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@proven badger J'imagine que tu es français, donc je vais te répondre en français (if you're aren't french, tell me, i'll rewrite in english ^^). Je crois bien que tu dois être dans une école pour être en stage, étant donné que sur la convention, il doit y avoir plusieurs parties qui doivent la signer, dont l'école dans laquelle l'étudiant est. Si tu as vraiment une entreprise où tu veux bosser et que tu veux justement une "période d'essai", essaie de voir directement avec eux ce qu'ils peuvent te proposer. Pour les autres pays, j'en ai aucune idée, pareil, demandes leur ce qu'ils peuvent te proposer

proven badger Jan 22, 2018, 12:40 PM

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Oui je suis français ^^ Merci pour ta réponse, en effet je suis en pleine recherche d'un premier taff, mais je vois peu de postes juniors, soit c'est du stage soit c'est qq années d'expériences

minor tusk Jan 22, 2018, 12:42 PM

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Ahah ouais je vois, c'est vrai qu'en tant que junior c'est chaud, après si tu as déjà fait des trucs par toi même en dehors de projets scolaires, tu peux quand même tenter sur les annonces où ils demandent pas trop d'années d'xp, en mettant bien en avant tes projets et l'xp que tu t'es faite tout seul

proven badger Jan 22, 2018, 12:44 PM

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yep je vois 😃 merci des conseils

minor tusk Jan 22, 2018, 12:45 PM

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Pas de soucis ! Tu cherches dans quel corps de métier ? Dev ? Artiste ?

proven badger Jan 22, 2018, 12:47 PM

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artiste

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j'ai entendu dire que pour des juniors, des postes d'intégrateur engine c'est pas mal ausis

minor tusk Jan 22, 2018, 12:51 PM

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J'espère que tu as une bonne connaissance du moteur, ça va t'être utile pour ce genre de poste ^^
Et en tant qu'artiste, penses bien à mettre un portfolio et une page deviantart ou un truc comme ça (j'suis pas artiste donc j'connais pas trop les sites où vous hébeergez vos créations :p ), mais en gros de quoi montrer ce dont tu es capable 😃

proven badger Jan 22, 2018, 12:53 PM

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oui haha t'inquiète pas :p

minor tusk Jan 22, 2018, 12:53 PM

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D'ac' ! Bon courage à toi pour ta recherche alors ^^

proven badger Jan 22, 2018, 12:54 PM

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héhé merci, merci des conseils!

minor tusk Jan 22, 2018, 12:54 PM

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Avec plaisir ! Si tu as besoin n'hésites pas à me dm

kindred mason Jan 22, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Not just country by country

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Even state by state in the USA

hybrid phoenix Jan 22, 2018, 3:22 PM

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Business to business here

lilac walrus Jan 22, 2018, 4:14 PM

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businesses are free to implemenet whatever policies they want so long as it falls in line with national legislation

ashen lynx Jan 23, 2018, 2:51 PM

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Why the hell people in the industry feel so uncomfortable discussing salaries? A colleague of mine successfully dodged a question about his wages and clearly felt uncomfortable discussing that.

lilac walrus Jan 23, 2018, 2:52 PM

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people feel uncomfortable discussing salaries full stop

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it's not a games specific thing

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some people also have dodgy clauses that 'prevent' them from discussing salary

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I'm pretty sure my contract has that, but I'm also pretty sure that's totally unenforcible

ashen lynx Jan 23, 2018, 2:54 PM

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I came over from industry, where people never felt any discomfort discussing that, and it was never considered impolite asking for one's real salary, so it is somewhat wild for me that it is considered uncool here.

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It is not like I want to deny the fact that it is considered impolite. I'd like to understand why.

lilac walrus Jan 23, 2018, 2:57 PM

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I suspect part of it is contractor culture

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in essence, your fellow man is also your competitor

hybrid phoenix Jan 23, 2018, 2:58 PM

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I don't really know either, to be honest.

ashen lynx Jan 23, 2018, 2:58 PM

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But in the essence, I have absolutely nothing to compete for with the person in question. Different positions. Different companies.

hybrid phoenix Jan 23, 2018, 2:58 PM

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I've always kinda wondered as we

vivid pivot Jan 23, 2018, 3:08 PM

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Because people identify (part of) their own value with the value of their salary, they feel uncomformatble discussing salary (self-worth)

flat gazelle Jan 23, 2018, 3:11 PM

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I've had a contract that forbade discussing it.

lilac walrus Jan 23, 2018, 3:11 PM

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in the EU at least, that isn't actually legal, hehe

flat gazelle Jan 23, 2018, 3:11 PM

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And I understand it as whenever it's discussed it leads to tensions within the group. "Why does he make more than me!? I do the same thing ffs"

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It was a UK contract 😃

lilac walrus Jan 23, 2018, 3:12 PM

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UK is in the EU...

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(for now)

flat gazelle Jan 23, 2018, 3:12 PM

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I know

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I didn't say it was enforcable

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The same contract had a non compete that extended beyond termination

lilac walrus Jan 23, 2018, 3:13 PM

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that is enforcible, to a limit definition of enforcible

flat gazelle Jan 23, 2018, 3:13 PM

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I have also seen it go the other way. "Why does he get to do those cool tasks!? Pay me more than him or I stop doing overtime"

ashen lynx Jan 23, 2018, 3:14 PM

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Well, legal side of things, it is fully understandable, that details of the contract should not be made avaliable to 3rd parties. But it is hardly enforceable. But I'm sort of trying understand the moral side of things here. I don't see/feel those. As for tensions in a group... wouldn't it be more of a motivation factor rather than a thing, that discourages ?

flat gazelle Jan 23, 2018, 3:14 PM

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Not in my experience

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:14 PM

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So.... Not everyone gets paid the same

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Which is the main factor of not disclosing shit

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And this isn't a gender/race issue

flat gazelle Jan 23, 2018, 3:15 PM

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Instead of, "He negotiated better than me, I'll work harder to show that I'm worth the same" It usually goes "FUck it. They don't pay me enough to care"

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:15 PM

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There are very few people who have the exact same experience and/or skillsets

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And there will be pay disparity

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Add in time in company, etc... If others on your team are not getting paid the same or even close to the same...

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There will be internal strife.

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And nothing worse than some drama to stop production in mid stride.

flat gazelle Jan 23, 2018, 3:17 PM

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Oh, and not to forget that people who change jobs often land on higher salaries which means a junior can come in and grab a higher salary than a senior that's been there for ages. That'll throw a massive wrench in productivity

lilac walrus Jan 23, 2018, 3:18 PM

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I suspect it would be pretty unhealthy for some people here to know how much I get paid compared to them

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Maybr

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I don't care

lilac walrus Jan 23, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Westerner maintaining salary in an Eastern European country

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:18 PM

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I made over $11,000/month USD in the months of Nov/Dec in just Game Dev freelancing.

flat gazelle Jan 23, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Yep, that's gonna ruffle some feathers

hybrid phoenix Jan 23, 2018, 3:21 PM

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@lilac walrus How'd ya pull that off?

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@kindred mason Congrats 😬

lilac walrus Jan 23, 2018, 3:22 PM

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by asking for it?

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:22 PM

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Well. Just asking isn't going to cut it lol

dreamy jacinth Jan 23, 2018, 3:22 PM

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11k? thats pretty good. I should maybe put myself out there more

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:22 PM

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You have to actually know what you are doing and can back it up.

dreamy jacinth Jan 23, 2018, 3:22 PM

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ahh shit im screwed then

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😉

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:23 PM

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;)

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Also, I personally probably work a lot longer hours than most. I am used to it.

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Talking 60+ hours a week easily.

dreamy jacinth Jan 23, 2018, 3:23 PM

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I had 8 hours sleep over the weekend because I was grinding out the UE4. Im too old for this

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:24 PM

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If not hitting 80. So if we talk about rate/hour, then I fail pretty bad.

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But I just like working and on different solid projects.

dreamy jacinth Jan 23, 2018, 3:25 PM

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I really enjoy progress and its results. As long as it's not artwork. I always cry at my results when I do artwork 😦

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Aye. The thing I see most around here are those that do not want to put the time and effort into things. They just want the easy money. And it's out there, sure.

ashen lynx Jan 23, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Damn, just realized it had been two years since last time I was on a leave.

dreamy jacinth Jan 23, 2018, 3:27 PM

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wow im the opposite. I've worked my arse off for years and seen virtually no money.

hybrid phoenix Jan 23, 2018, 3:28 PM

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That's usually how it works really

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Heh. I see complete new freelancers asking for way too much starting out. Then their expectations are way overboard

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They don't have enough experience or portfolio to back it up all the time.

hybrid phoenix Jan 23, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Sadly, clever lazy people generally make the money, with hard working people left in the dust

flat gazelle Jan 23, 2018, 3:28 PM

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No

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Then, they still somehow try to live above their means.

dreamy jacinth Jan 23, 2018, 3:28 PM

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I did over 100 hours in my last freelance job and it got me £50 😄

hybrid phoenix Jan 23, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Well honestly, what'd you call decent starting rate for a freelancer

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Not $2

hybrid phoenix Jan 23, 2018, 3:29 PM

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I wouldn't know personally

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:29 PM

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But I have seen people start there

dreamy jacinth Jan 23, 2018, 3:30 PM

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minimum wage for your country is always the best place to start, but if they have a lot of experience and are new to freelancing, you can make allowances I guess.

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Anything above $10 is a good start point if you have no education, little experience

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I started more than that because I had my GameDev education, a solid portfolio and plenty of experience.

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The first two weeks were rough though, had no idea what I was really doing....

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Now I have a better understanding of the system and people on both sides of the table.

dreamy jacinth Jan 23, 2018, 3:32 PM

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My pitch is "how much can you spend on this?" and they say "well im very limited on my budget" and I say "ok Ill do it" because 1. my family can always use the money and im gonna be doing unreal work regardless and 2. I understand the help an indie needs to make their games.

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:32 PM

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@dreamy jacinth aye...

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That's the biggest factor in price

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What can YOU afford to get away with.

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Some folks don't need more than $1500/month to be happy

lilac walrus Jan 23, 2018, 3:33 PM

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some folks need that just to pay rent 😄

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:33 PM

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Others need a lot to maintain

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Aye. But everyone's situation is different

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Some of this is supplemental income

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So, if your wife or hubby is a doctor

ashen lynx Jan 23, 2018, 3:35 PM

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I also noticed that quite alot of employees tend to mentioned far greater income during random chatter, than their real one.

dreamy jacinth Jan 23, 2018, 3:35 PM

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I need to move my family from this place. I started working with others on stuff a couple of years ago to try make the money to move us, and every project failed. now im making my own game so I have nobody else to blame then :/

kindred mason Jan 23, 2018, 3:35 PM

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You are just doing this to make some play money for yourself or just to help out the family

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But anyway

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Back to the $2/hour guy

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Lost track of him, but for him, it was fine. Because he made enough to survive

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Shitty ass employers sure for even offering that, but the employee was also partially to blame for accepting

ocean harbor Jan 23, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Being payed the same for doing the same job, sounds like a fair game. But it isn't, experience and skill range have to be taken into account, for a simple fact that it's not your problem that company can't utilize all of your skills. So at the end of the day you don't make world a better place by sharing your salary with your close colleges.

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Just as in thinking that you do the same job is not the same as doing the same job. In some situations it does suck sometimes, like locals being payed more than foreign employees.

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When you are an employer you have to care about other things too, like it makes sense to pay more to a guy with 3 kids as chances that he can flip because of higher salary at other place is higher. At the same time, you could pay him even less, knowing that person who has to support family might suck it up and stay. So heavily depends on how employer approaches this.

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"Not sharing you salary figures with others" is just cheaper for company in a long run too, as there will be less reasons for people to ask raise.

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which sucks for employees who are too busy working instead of checking up if they are treated fair

strong shoal Jan 24, 2018, 2:10 PM

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Isn't that what glassdoor is for?

ocean harbor Jan 24, 2018, 2:29 PM

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yeap, in some countries you have governmental agencies that do the same. In Switzerland for example, government does a good job in cataloging data about levels of salary for various professions.

strong shoal Jan 24, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Man, for some things, the swedes have it figured out pretty well

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but speaking on the pay thing, do you all have any tips for listing the right hourly range in your application?

lilac walrus Jan 24, 2018, 3:09 PM

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yeah, don't

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it's an application, not a negotiation

strong shoal Jan 24, 2018, 3:10 PM

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For some reason on this app it's required :/

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42k a year for an entry-level programmer isn't too much right?

flat gazelle Jan 24, 2018, 3:10 PM

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Did you just call the Swiss, Swedes o.O

strong shoal Jan 24, 2018, 3:11 PM

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😮

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I did, my apologies. After a night of no sleeping my wires are kind of crossed

flat gazelle Jan 24, 2018, 3:11 PM

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heheh

bleak grail Jan 24, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Ehm guys, I'm I the only one that can't see the content of messages in the looking-for channels?

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lilac walrus Jan 24, 2018, 3:29 PM

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you have a setting disabled that prevents you seeing bot messages

bleak grail Jan 24, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Hmm I'll look into it, thanks for the tip

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Indeed, I had to enable "Show website preview info from links pasted into chat"

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Thank you mte

lilac walrus Jan 24, 2018, 3:35 PM

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no worries

kindred mason Jan 25, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Hmmm

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:47 AM

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So I don't intend to call any names here or anything, apologies if the person this happened with doesn't want me posting this here, but I just got terminated for conversations I had here, except they won't tell me which conversations they were. Is that unusual? I'm just wondering from the point of view that I'd like to know why they'd feel the need to terminate based on conversations I've had here, because as far as I'm aware I generally don't say anything weird here. (Except sometimes with Hevedy ;3)

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Like, losing that contract is one thing, and I don't blame them for being careful, but not knowing what made them terminate is pretty frustrating.

lilac walrus Jan 25, 2018, 9:49 AM

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Not knowing is a bit weird

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generally speaking if someone wants to terminate a contract on account of something you've done or said, they'll tell you what it is

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 9:49 AM

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Usually termination needs to be acompanied by an explanation lol

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Did you break an NDA?

lilac walrus Jan 25, 2018, 9:50 AM

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depending on the nature of a contract and your location, if you're not given the grounds for termination it can be considered unfair dismissal, or equivalent

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 9:50 AM

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^ Here in Australia you must be told exactly why you are being terminated

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:50 AM

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I didn't break an NDA, as far as I'm aware I didn't break anything

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 9:51 AM

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Whats your contract state as far as dismissal is concerned? You maybe able to cite breach of contract if they cant prove you said anything wrong

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Infact if they havent provided you with exact details thats exactly what i would be doing.

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:53 AM

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See that's the pickle right there, I didn't sign a proper contract yet

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 9:53 AM

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Ahh

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:53 AM

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So what I did 'sign' didn't say stuff about termination

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 9:53 AM

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What was it that you signed?

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:53 AM

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A relatively vague thing on the intended results and compensation etc

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 9:54 AM

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Ok well i guess in that case you havent got much of an leg to stand on then....

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:54 AM

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(Furthermore, ya know, oral/typed agreements are still agreements...)

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 9:54 AM

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You could ask nicely?

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:54 AM

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I don't intend to pursue this legally or anything

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But I do intend to eat from my freelancing jobs

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 9:54 AM

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Still it would be nice to know so you could avoid it in the future

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:54 AM

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So I'd like to know why they decided to terminate

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 9:54 AM

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Exactly

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Have you asked them for further details?

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What was their response?

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They maybe just making the entire situation up to get rid of you? As negative as that sounds haha

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:56 AM

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Well, they told me who the conversations were with, naming one person I haven't talked to for months

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And that's it

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Beyond that I'm getting "Sorry, our decision is final"

digital gate Jan 25, 2018, 9:57 AM

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So you ask "I'd like to be able to improve myself in the future, why was I terminated" and get "Sorry, our decision is final" ?

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That's weird af.

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 9:57 AM

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Certainly is

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:57 AM

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Yeah

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More or less

dense heath Jan 25, 2018, 9:58 AM

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maybe they had bad experience with that person and not you

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:58 AM

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Just wanted to make sure that it's not just me thinking it's weird to get terminated like that

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 9:58 AM

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Was it an studio or just an group of devs?

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:58 AM

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A group

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 9:58 AM

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Ah ok

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:59 AM

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Yeah, I'm not particularly surprised, it's a bit of an "I told you so" to myself

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But they seemed like cool people and I enjoyed the task I was contracted for

flat gazelle Jan 25, 2018, 9:59 AM

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It sounds like, unless you've actually said something egregious to the person they named, you dodged a bullet.

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 9:59 AM

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So, lesson learned, contracts

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I haven't

flat gazelle Jan 25, 2018, 10:00 AM

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And yes. Always use contracts

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 10:00 AM

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They named a few people, only one of which I've talked to recently afaik, and while I do have vivid discussions with him, they're never particularly bad

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So those shouldn't be a reason to terminate

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Wellp, sucks. Moving on, guess I have time for a new thing again x3

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 10:00 AM

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Unless those other people were bad mouthing you behind your back?

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Eitherway, they dont seem like people you would want to work with long term anyways.

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 10:05 AM

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Yeah, that's my take on it now

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Just... Surprised?

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Got another response saying it really is conversations with those people and I should be able to find them... Except I can't.

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 10:07 AM

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I reckon they are grabbing at straws, if they cant be bothered to show you themselves they probably dont even have anything

supple blade Jan 25, 2018, 10:08 AM

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If anyone is from northern germany, I am in need of a unreal programmer, either real good at blueprints or c++. Best would be somebody who would be able to be in the office in person (I have an awesome unity dev in texas, but I need another one for UE, and for workflow reasons (fast iteration), I'd like to have a local. Paid position.

digital gate Jan 25, 2018, 10:09 AM

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@supple blade #looking-for-talent

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 10:09 AM

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Define northern Germany? I'm Dutch, near the border, depending on which part of northern germany that could be possible?

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And actually, yeah, #looking-for-talent x3

supple blade Jan 25, 2018, 10:09 AM

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Would be awesome to work with you, but we're really north... between kiel and lübeck

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 10:10 AM

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Yeah, that's going to be a bit too much

supple blade Jan 25, 2018, 10:10 AM

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I'll reapeat it tagged:
If anyone is from northern germany, I am in need of a unreal programmer, either real good at blueprints or c++. Best would be somebody who would be able to be in the office in person (I have an awesome unity dev in texas, but I need another one for UE, and for workflow reasons (fast iteration), I'd like to have a local. Paid position. #looking-for-talent

digital gate Jan 25, 2018, 10:11 AM

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is the person controversial @hybrid phoenix ?

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@supple blade no click on the 'tag'

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or read pinned there

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 10:11 AM

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@supple blade Check the #more-resources channel for usage on the JobBot

supple blade Jan 25, 2018, 10:11 AM

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thanks will do

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sory

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sorry

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 10:11 AM

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All good

digital gate Jan 25, 2018, 10:11 AM

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its fine

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that's just where more people will probably look nowadays

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 10:13 AM

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Think I figured out why I got terminated

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I think they connected the dots that I'm relatively young, and therefore don't want to work with me

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 10:13 AM

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How old are you?

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If your 18+ that seems an bit extreme lol

digital gate Jan 25, 2018, 10:15 AM

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Yeah that'll easily do it.

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if you're under and didn't let them know I can see why they'd terminate like that.

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 10:16 AM

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Mmm still its on them if they didnt make it an requirement before hiring.... But that wont change what happened lol

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 10:18 AM

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I'm just under eighteen

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I figured they'd have noticed my profile picture

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And that they'd have realized my age beforehand

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But I suppose not

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 10:18 AM

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Well like i said it should have been part of their requirements if they were so concerned about it.

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 10:19 AM

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That's my thing as well

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Or, you know, he could've just straight-up said that he feels I'm too young to work with, and that he hadn't realized that when he gave me the job

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Yeah the entire situation seems poorly handled from what you have explained

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Oh well

digital gate Jan 25, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Still weird af that they will tell you that much but not the specific cause.

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Moving on

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Ikr?

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Mmm

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Weird

digital gate Jan 25, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Yeah, nothing you can do and focusing on it won't do anything.

hybrid phoenix Jan 25, 2018, 10:21 AM

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Yeah, that's why I've stopped saying it

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I generally just go and show I'm competent at what I do

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And if they then figure out that I'm a minor, they at least know I'm good at what I do

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Instead of instantly dismissing me because I'm probably not good to work with

spice dagger Jan 25, 2018, 10:22 AM

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If you can prove you can do the work and do it well it shouldnt be an big deal

kindred mason Jan 25, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Damn......

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Well, so much passed. So keeping this short @hybrid phoenix.

If it was based on age, well not much you can do. There ARE laws in the USA though about underaged workers. Usually though, it's mostly the under 16 kind.

If it really were something you said though....I would have been super surprised unless it was something stupid ridiculous on your part, like racist/sexism remarks.

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https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/hiring/workersunder18

United States Department of Labor

Workers Under 18

Subtopics Hiring Youth Affirmative Action Foreign Labor I-9 Central Veterans Workers Under 18

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So they have laws for different age brackets actually here.

kindred mason Jan 31, 2018, 3:18 PM

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fail

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job bot doesn't do / either

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"/"

plucky hatch Feb 1, 2018, 11:44 AM

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Hello there! I'm Marco, a 14 year old adolescent that teaches java classes online for a great price! Please DM me for prices and further information.

fathom oasis Feb 1, 2018, 8:37 PM

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Is this the place to ask about landing internships/jobs?

mental viper Feb 1, 2018, 8:38 PM

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yes

fathom oasis Feb 1, 2018, 8:45 PM

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So, I'm looking for C++ related jobs for a beginner. I am majoring in music at college but have been working with Unity/UE4 doing javascript, C++, and blueprints for 4 years. I am also working on my own 2d engine with SDL. If I were looking to get a job doing programming in the near future would it be more beneficial to finish my UE4 arena shooter project or my game engine? Do you have other suggestions?

peak wadi Feb 2, 2018, 10:11 PM

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@fathom oasis hey! just wondering, what kind of arena shooter you're working on? Asking because I'm also working on a arena shooter, yet it's in a fantasy theme and top-down 😃

fathom oasis Feb 2, 2018, 11:41 PM

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@peak wadi i don’t have any art but i was thinking it would be scifi/fantasy because all 5 of my weapons are physics based and I have rotational jump mechanics and wall running, also its 3rd person. Kind of like a rocket league control mechanics with a more halo-esque gun system

peak wadi Feb 3, 2018, 7:54 AM

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@fathom oasis sounds interesting! 😃

plucky hatch Feb 3, 2018, 8:48 AM

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Looking for an artist who has a distinct artstyle for a game I'm making ( I can implement the art into the engine ). The game will be a simple but ( in my opinion ) a genius idea, a walking game that tortures the player for around 15 hours. Payment consists of ~50% of income once the game is published on Steam.

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DM me if your interested

olive cloak Feb 4, 2018, 11:13 AM

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Looking for: Steam BP Programmer
Payment: $150 Paypal once done
Experinence: C++, Unreal BP, Steam
Mission: add BP nodes to this https://nte.itch.io/steamuer existing steam plugin. The nodes are:

A force update node for leaderboards (ISteamUserStats::k_ELeaderboardUploadScoreMethodForceUpdate)
A node to attach "user generated content" to a LB entry (ISteamUserStats::AttachLeaderboardUGC), should also force replace any previous data (the data we want to upload is a 200 character string)
A node to get "user generated content" when retriving the leaderboards entries

itch.io

SteamUEr by NT Entertainment

Fills in missing functionality in the default UE4 Steam BP library

static compass Feb 4, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Looking For: Animation & Level Design
Payment: Rev-share
Experience: Portfolio
Project: Through The Head is an Online First Person Shooter for Android/iOS/PC. This game is WW2 Themed Game and will have Guns based in the world war. There will be WW2 Maps, Guns & WW2 Characters. You can Play Single Player and complete Missions. Swamp your way in Multiplayer and be the best of all. Lead your team and clan to victory and Number 1. This Game is Free for all with an Exception of Purchasing Bronze/Silver/Gold Crates & Game Credits. Be the Best you can ever be

Responsibilities: Animate & Build To Expectations.
Contact: DM me here on discord

hybrid phoenix Feb 4, 2018, 7:40 PM

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Sigh

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Come on guys, read the pins

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Oh, it's not pinned here anymore

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In that case, read pins in #looking-for-talent

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Or #more-resources

buoyant latch Feb 6, 2018, 3:42 AM

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The studio I work at is hiring some folks. Can’t be bothered to do a proper post for all of these, but if anyone is interested def apply. The studio is awesome, bosses are chill, and we’re currently working on Darksiders 3 👍 hiring all levels of experience. http://gunfiregames.com/careers/

Gunfire Games

Careers

prime rune Feb 7, 2018, 11:42 AM

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@buoyant latch need a c# tools programmer/tech artist from dallas?

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😛

hybrid phoenix Feb 7, 2018, 11:48 AM

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Where's the sutdio based? Couldn't find that on the site (on mobile, anyway)

prime rune Feb 7, 2018, 11:48 AM

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austin, tx

buoyant latch Feb 7, 2018, 1:06 PM

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@prime rune I mean they say even if you don’t see the position you want go ahead and send them your resume 👍 no idea beyond that haha

prime rune Feb 7, 2018, 1:08 PM

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true that

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lol

plucky hatch Feb 7, 2018, 1:32 PM

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i'm MayorPixel, Art Director and Lead Designer from Moonjump Studios

Me and my team are currently looking for a Composer who's able to make a soundtrack in a same orchestral style as Super Mario Galaxy and Odyssee, as it is also the same feeling of grand journey around the world with a side of emotional lookback.

We're currently working on a Collectathon 3D Platformer in the spirit of Super Mario 64/Galaxy/Odyssey, and Cavestory for the PC (trying to establish a brand and mascot for couch family PC gaming, a growing market) and consoles on Unreal Engine 4, where the premises takes you on a journey around the moon ,the earth and the sun!
Playing as our two heroes, Chico and Moon Girl, in a variety of colorful and unique cultures to each world you will encounter.

DM me if interested!

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steel creek Feb 7, 2018, 5:26 PM

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This just going to be the slop spot to drop job requests now?

I thought that's what the other two channels are for and here is where we're just supposed to discuss whats posted there.

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Not exactly a good sign when the people looking for others to do work for them can't even follow directions.

hybrid phoenix Feb 7, 2018, 6:04 PM

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^That, really

buoyant latch Feb 7, 2018, 6:35 PM

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Not sure if you’re referencing me, but I’m not doing the hiring or anything. Im just an environment artist there. I know how hard it was to find a job when I was looking so figured people would appreciate the heads up that the studio was hiring. But if that’s not appropriate for the channel I’m happy to delete it 👍

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Hope that didn’t come across sassy. Didn’t mean it that way 😬

hybrid phoenix Feb 7, 2018, 6:42 PM

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I wasn't really thinking of you, honestly, also because you explicitly said it was just "maybe look at this if you're looking for work", not really a proper job offer

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Mainly looking at the other three out of the last four things in this chat

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.>

buoyant latch Feb 7, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Cool cool ☃️

atomic atlas Feb 7, 2018, 9:11 PM

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@plucky hatch if you don't know Rich Douglas, you should contact him to see if he can do the work for.

oak obsidian Feb 8, 2018, 4:37 PM

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Hey Everyone! We're looking for multiple positions at Lifelike Studios. Including 3D Character Animator, Ligthing Artist, 3D Artist, etc. So if you're interested, then please get in touch via DM to discuss in detail.

Thanks.

hybrid phoenix Feb 8, 2018, 4:55 PM

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@buoyant latch This sort of thing 😛

kindred mason Feb 8, 2018, 5:37 PM

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Well, I mean, it's as easy as the <@&213101288538374145> just deleting the posts so the trend doesn't continue

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And also obviously PMing them to just do it properly

spice dagger Feb 8, 2018, 8:19 PM

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Whats up @kindred mason ??

untold granite Feb 8, 2018, 8:19 PM

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Pretty sure he's reffering to the fact that there's people who are more oftenly posting their job adverts in here instead of using the bot -> put it in the correct channels

kindred mason Feb 8, 2018, 8:20 PM

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@spice dagger ^

spice dagger Feb 8, 2018, 8:20 PM

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Ah ok yep.

untold granite Feb 8, 2018, 8:21 PM

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If I may suggest (I know I should really be using #server-feedback, but it's kind related), wouldn't the channel topic better be updated to something like: Career advice, interview prep, resume and portfolio critique. Please use #looking-for-talent or #looking-for-work for job listings.

spice dagger Feb 8, 2018, 8:21 PM

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Ill keep an eye on it going forward.

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Good idea

plucky hatch Feb 9, 2018, 7:39 AM

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Hello there. I'm looking for good UE4 Programmers. We need a programmer ASAP to start adding our models in game. Please contact me if you are interested.

remote saffron Feb 9, 2018, 8:45 AM

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@plucky hatch instead of spamming all chanels with it you could try to look up how the job posting works with the bot and make it that way

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check pinned messages in #looking-for-talent

hybrid phoenix Feb 9, 2018, 8:50 AM

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And is that even programming...? Try to me a little more explanatory in what you need

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For instance, you're not getting me to apply when that's the level of the job post

hybrid phoenix Feb 9, 2018, 10:01 AM

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@wraith mortar Not sure about your specifics, but just as a thought, have you considered dumping the character class? Just create your own replacement to do exactly what you need, it'll be far more performant

digital gate Feb 9, 2018, 10:01 AM

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I need somebody who understand how tech works! I know, a programmer!!!

wraith mortar Feb 9, 2018, 10:03 AM

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@hybrid phoenix well it would be a metric shit ton of work for no real gain; it doesn't do anything unnecessary and non performant

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For our purposes anyway

hybrid phoenix Feb 9, 2018, 10:04 AM

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And a second thing, if you don't need 500 people in an instance, don't try to do it. It's way better to use sharding or something along those lines (I think that's what it's called?)

wraith mortar Feb 9, 2018, 10:05 AM

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We do lol

hybrid phoenix Feb 9, 2018, 10:05 AM

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Alright x3

wraith mortar Feb 9, 2018, 10:05 AM

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:p

north meteor Feb 9, 2018, 1:18 PM

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Looking for this style

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Interested in hiring somebody who can do a similar style to these for a watercolor anime styled game

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DM me if you can do it! Super simple.

plucky hatch Feb 9, 2018, 1:25 PM

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@static rover your website link in chrome is giving me a malware warning btw
might want to look into it
and ther's nothing to see even if I open it anyways

acoustic zealot Feb 9, 2018, 1:29 PM

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People posting jobs here is truly starting to get annoying.
Even IF I would qualify & be interested in the job I will not even bother. Reason being the lack of effort from whoever posting the job/jobs.
Like reading Guide/pinned messages is to much of a bother or poisonous or something?
Edit: No pinned messages, merely an example.

ocean harbor Feb 9, 2018, 1:30 PM

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well

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acoustic zealot Feb 9, 2018, 1:30 PM

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I mean, there is a pretty self explanatory Header at the top of this channel

ocean harbor Feb 9, 2018, 1:30 PM

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yeap

north meteor Feb 9, 2018, 1:41 PM

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I'm on mobile. No header, no pins.

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Sound complaints but misdirected in this case. Didn't mean to cause trouble.

ocean harbor Feb 9, 2018, 1:45 PM

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you can see it if you click on "#career-chat " at the top

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not as obvious as on desktop, agree

kindred mason Feb 9, 2018, 1:51 PM

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@ocean harbor hmm

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Not for me. Have to hit the people button

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To get topic on mobile

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(Android, pixel XL)

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Anyway, it's a simple solution...

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<@&213101288538374145>

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Delete all past job posts in here

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And keep deleting

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PM offenders

ocean harbor Feb 9, 2018, 1:54 PM

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I mean this^

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Are you on Android? It looks like this on iPhone

kindred mason Feb 9, 2018, 1:59 PM

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@ocean harbor yeah. I said that ;)

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📎 Screenshot_20180209-090050.png

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Only after clicking that "people" icon up top right

ocean harbor Feb 9, 2018, 2:01 PM

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ohh my bad

north meteor Feb 9, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Yep I'm on desktop now.

kindred mason Feb 9, 2018, 2:22 PM

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No

pine scarab Feb 9, 2018, 3:22 PM

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I try to DM someone but he is offline so i can´t DM him xD Or didnt i find the function yet

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Discord makes me crazzzzzzzzzzzzzy

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@twilit saffron are you there?

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Alright that works.

gentle pewter Feb 9, 2018, 7:27 PM

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aww yeah

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just posted a job ad to the LFT channel that we just published

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want to come work with me? Check it out 😃

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and AMA

kindred mason Feb 9, 2018, 7:28 PM

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No

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But grats!@

gentle pewter Feb 9, 2018, 7:28 PM

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on what?

kindred mason Feb 9, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Team is getting bigger!

gentle pewter Feb 9, 2018, 7:28 PM

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aye

kindred mason Feb 9, 2018, 7:29 PM

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So must mean good things are coming

gentle pewter Feb 9, 2018, 7:29 PM

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apparently one Jan wasn't enough

kindred mason Feb 9, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Or happening

gentle pewter Feb 9, 2018, 7:29 PM

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so we're looking for another me

kindred mason Feb 9, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Good Luck then

gentle pewter Feb 9, 2018, 7:29 PM

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😉

kindred mason Feb 9, 2018, 7:29 PM

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There isn't another one of you

gentle pewter Feb 9, 2018, 7:29 PM

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that is precisely the problem! 😄

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but yeah. That moment when you add all the little tasks people ask you to do into your team's task tracking system, and get a panicked call from your lead the next day because you're 100% overallocated

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good times 😄

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so we need another me 😉

static rover Feb 9, 2018, 9:27 PM

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@plucky hatch I made it none.com because I don't have a portfolio

static rover Feb 9, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Also, still keen to make sounds for free, so yeah, hit me up whenever.

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Oof how do you guys feel on working 2 remote jobs at the same time

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Ive thought about doing it even though i wont need the money or anything

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I kinda just wanna put more than 2 games on my resume

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:46 AM

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I once worked on 6 contracts at once. Never again. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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2-3 is pretty safe imho

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Depending on your time management skills and drive. I say 3 is more than enough.

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:48 AM

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Damn i also need to get better at networking. Last year at gdc i didnt really talk to anyone

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:48 AM

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AH

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Last yeat at GDC...

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I didn't attend

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😉

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So you still have one up on me

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But you don't need to talk

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:48 AM

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I just went to the parties

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And looked at cool shit

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:49 AM

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Just shape your business cards as shurikens and throw them at people

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:49 AM

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Lol the current studio i work for sent me these business cards

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They look like mints

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📎 image.jpg

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:51 AM

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Hmm

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Never heard of Define Human before

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But it's a cool name

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:52 AM

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Small ass indie studio

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:52 AM

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Hmm. Are those supposed to be hairs?

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:52 AM

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If you turn it side ways its a face

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:52 AM

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Oh snap

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:52 AM

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Ikr. Took me forever to notice

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We’re doing this BR game

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It kinda blew up on twitch this week

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:53 AM

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You and a million others ;)

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Oh what's the game called?

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:53 AM

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Yeahhh. Its called Islands of Nyne

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It technically started before the development of pubg

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But didnt get funding and stuff until recently

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:54 AM

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I see the KS

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:54 AM

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Yeah thats old

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Shroud and doc tried to play it

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Shroud loves it

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We’ve been to like #2 on twitch

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Crazy shit ive never seen before

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:55 AM

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Not on Steam yet?

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:55 AM

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Its on steam

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:55 AM

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Link?

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:55 AM

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But no store page

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:55 AM

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Bit off topic now though for this channel. You should post in #work-in-progress

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:56 AM

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Yee yeee

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:56 AM

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But anyway, what were we talking about before

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Oh remote jobs and business cards

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Yeah, if you can do it, 2-3 is probably standard

flat gazelle Feb 10, 2018, 12:57 AM

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Re: buisness cards. Don't go to a japanese conference to present and forget the main batch of buisnesscards at home. Learn from my fail.

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:57 AM

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I wouldn't recommend more than 3 unless you were crazy good at time management

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:57 AM

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Lmao

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See i like my free time

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As im super young

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But like i want to be stupid successful

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:58 AM

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I don't think enjoying free time is age dependent young one

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Stupid successful.

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:58 AM

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@feral basin hm?

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:58 AM

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I feel like i can only be stupid successful if i grind

flat gazelle Feb 10, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Any more than 3 contracts at once and I think you'll lose profit. You'll be a lot more efficient spending more time on a big project than 2 small ones

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Lol

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@flat gazelle depends

flat gazelle Feb 10, 2018, 12:59 AM

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Of course, it'll depend on the rate you can pull

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:59 AM

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I've made quite a bit when getting two premo jobs

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And doing em at the same time

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Yup

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:59 AM

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I dont want to work remotely for too much longer

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 12:59 AM

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Remote is life

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 12:59 AM

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I personally find it to be depressing

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:00 AM

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Nah, offices are depressing after about 18 months

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 1:00 AM

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But I do agree. Would be nice to start up my own Studio and grab some talent

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Depends on the office

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 1:00 AM

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I just want to see peoples faces man

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 1:00 AM

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And employer

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:00 AM

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At home you can have a drink, get on the chats with mates on disco, lay down for a bit, have the tv in the background, etc etc.

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 1:00 AM

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There is a thing called Skype

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Discord

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Hangouts

flat gazelle Feb 10, 2018, 1:00 AM

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But from personal experience, I'm able to invoice more on 60h/week split between 2 clients than if I spent the same time on 5 clients as I always lose time switching between projects, VPNs, engines and so on. It takes a while to reset my mind. So I'd only be able to invoice like 40 - 50 h per week

kindred mason Feb 10, 2018, 1:00 AM

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Sometimes it is more than enough

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Also you don't have to smell their farts

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:02 AM

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I was on the way to typiong that Glad. If you are per hour, and you work enough hours a week to make yourself happy, then if you could do that with a single project you are bettrer off. You wake up knowing what to do, you follow the same code and it's always in your head till the job is done. Doing that on 2 differing projects means you need to have 2 projects on your head, 2 methodologies of game logic, 2 subsets of people who work differently with the engine. Therefore, if the hours are ticking the boxes, 1 job would trump 2.

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 1:02 AM

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Eh. All my friends are out partying. While i sit in a room working all the time

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That is true

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Ive mainly worked on shooters. I would like to branch out

flat gazelle Feb 10, 2018, 1:03 AM

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Yeah. I'm currently doing one 40h/week project at a lower rate and a 10h/week project at my normal rate and I'm much happier than I was last year when I had 4 clients at normal rate

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:03 AM

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You only want more jobs if you are't getting paid hours. Thats just like ANY job. Does an electrician want to drive between 7 little jobs for the same hours, or have a massive commercial site where you turn up, park once, andd do a full 8(or w/e) hours on the same stuff and go home..

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Im paid salary on my current job

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Its nice i can work 80 hours one week

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:04 AM

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You still have to do enough hours to tick your employers boxes though. Might be 30, might next week be 50..

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Then 20 the next

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Yes

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 1:04 AM

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We kinda just do it based on a task list

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If you dont get your task done then rip

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:05 AM

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That's how I do it. I look after a few racks of IT gear. If it works, by job is piss easy. If it's broken, 80 hour weeks till it's fixed.

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Ultimately you need to do what makes you happy. When I was doing dev work in garrysmod past 18 months, I was pulling 180 'Steam Played' hours a fortnight, just in an empty dev server. Now that's depressing. Not every fortnight, but it was reaching those hours towards the end for little to no payoff.

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 1:07 AM

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Ooo. You work for face punch or are you a modder?

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:07 AM

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Modding for an aussie community, they closed up mid last year. Started back in like, 2012.

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 1:08 AM

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Ooo. The last project i worked on was an arma mod going standalone in ue4

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:08 AM

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I did approach a facepuncher the other day asking if they would ever be interested in having volunteer work, adding more entities/assets the the game etc. The reply? "Don't f**king PM me."

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 1:08 AM

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I applied to work for them when i was like 17

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:09 AM

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Which arma mod? Life?

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 1:09 AM

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They didnt even reply

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Breaking Point

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:09 AM

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Ahh, I also hosted a lifeRPG for a bit, started modding it up. But arma code is..... really bad.

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Between that and 10 live gmod servers, I did not have the time to make a good one, so I closed it down about 3 weeks in.

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 1:10 AM

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Yeah thats what i heard. I need to build myself up enough to be confident in pursuing other jobs once in done with this current project

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I think i could get another dev job

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But im not so confident

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:11 AM

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Any dev work is good work, you learn things you take with you. Eg: Logic tends to flow from game to game the same way, once you know how to do it. Same with sounds, meches, etc.

nova locust Feb 10, 2018, 1:11 AM

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For me its not my ue4 knowledge

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Its my business skill knowledge

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Like i know a fuck ton about ue4 of course

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But i dont know enough about making contacts. Getting good resumes. Doing good interviews

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Plus i think when employers see a 19 year old with like 3 years of game dev experience theyre just gonna role their eyes

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:30 AM

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I think actual game dev employers probably don't think that way, at least in the mainstream.
I've personally worked with one who was 12-13 or so with the gmod projects, surprised me how much he knew.

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I'm over 20 years his senior. Decent, smart people understand that anyone can be good at something. We got 15 year oldds who can out-qualify 70 year olds who call themselves experts. Especially in the tech industry. Most things that existed 10 years ago in computers are no longer here bar a few (operating systems and office software).

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Also, in the past 5-15 years a crap load of new languages have appeared that do better jobs at certain tasks. The industry changes so rapidly that only edge-case arguments exist about age vs experience in many IT fields.

flat gazelle Feb 10, 2018, 1:35 AM

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It's not so much about what you know, rather than how you work in a team. Any knowledge gaps can be filled, but if you don't play well with others, you're screwed.

feral basin Feb 10, 2018, 1:36 AM

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Interpersonally, I'm terrible with people when put in the same room for large amounts of hours. But from a goal perspective (Lets do this so we can have a quality game and make money) thereis no fuss. I'm better off remote tbh. 😃

chrome bone Feb 10, 2018, 5:50 AM

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@flat gazelle that's the #1 thing we look for. Culture fit. Skills are secondary in many ways. Always makes me chuckle when an arrogant smarty meets us for an interview and tell us how good he is and then wonders why he doesn't make the second interview. The programmer who wore a sith shirt at work and bragged about winning all the arguments was a particular gem. (Also gave me marketing advice in the interview, he was a programmer. ......)

silk nest Feb 10, 2018, 5:52 AM

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Are there any jobs for volunteers?

chrome bone Feb 10, 2018, 5:52 AM

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@nova locust could be a lot of reasons they didn't reply of course but I would love to remake breaking point. We are building a framework with squad where it's entirely possible

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@silk nest always. Go get involved in a royalty project and bring some skills

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In a lot of ways it can be the shortest path if you get lucky and work hard

silk nest Feb 10, 2018, 5:54 AM

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What @chrome bone

chrome bone Feb 10, 2018, 5:56 AM

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Yes you can find volunteer work