That should do it
#ue4-general
cerulean sandal
Half the render quality makes the rays from the sunlight look like floating cubes/texels
slim mica
Yeah well
Not having that is making your game run at 35fps
But yeah, definitely the buffers and milliseconds thing is the thing to go
cerulean sandal
Oh btw Just to clarify i am not even using any textures
normal burrow
how many post process things do you have mirko?
cerulean sandal
Just colors
Bloom (convolution), Lens flares, AO, Dirt Mask, and something else i believe
cerulean sandal
Not rn, but i rember volumetrics being like at 7ms and Post Process to 4 iirc
slim mica
wow
You definitely should turn those volumetrics down
Also you might want to use another antialiasing system
Something cheaper
normal burrow
believe the type of stuff your doing is just not stuff the hardware can keep up with unless theres some mistake
i think adaptive framerate or whatever is is a thing
solar ether
why is unreal so hard :(
cerulean sandal
Idk
There are games with volumetrics, raytracing, shit, stuff, idk running at 75fps on my computer and then there Is me with some low poly geometry getting 20 fps
slim mica
Those games have really good coders behind haha
Still, you shouldnt be getting 20fps on that
cerulean sandal
slim mica
wtf
cerulean sandal
This Is literally what i have with volumetrics disabled
normal burrow
ultrawide is many more pixels
slim mica
There's somethign wrong with your scene
normal burrow
post processing will work on each pixel so, not surprising that is expensive
slim mica
Nah, there's something wrong there
main pebble
Ok, so different topic, but any theories on how nanite works? Or lumen for that matter?
cerulean sandal
With the play in editor
slim mica
not full screen?
normal burrow
@main pebble my theory is shared memory with a laxed rendering api that only ps5 offers
main pebble
I thought the feature was platform independent. Or did I miss something?
slim mica
oh nono, this is not a ps5 thing at all
cerulean sandal
Better look at my scene
And volumetrics
Its Just some volumetrics
And ue4 explodes
weak meteor
anyone else who cant wrap his mind around this nanite stuff?
any video explaining how this voodoo works?
main pebble
@weak meteor This is why I'm here lol. Searching for smarter minds
slim mica
@cerulean sandal You should download Epic demos and look at the fps on them
cerulean sandal
Mhm
slim mica
If they run badly, there's something off
cerulean sandal
Ig
weak meteor
at that point in the vid where he shows the triangles and the game isng running at minus 100fps they lost me hehe
cerulean sandal
Ok so thx guys for the help, i Will be here tomorrow bc rn Is 1.30~ am so yeah... I Will try everything possible
real pasture
That moment when you are learning UE4, then hear that UE5 is coming out...
real pasture
I won't waste my time still learning UE4 right? lol
real pasture
Okay
slim mica
Wait, it was for real? 😅
urban gyro
dont bother, better learn Unity
real pasture
Not really .lul
real pasture
Fuck it. GoDot it is
next badger
learn Godot
slim mica
GODOT
marsh cloak
lol
real pasture
Fuck Godot. RPG Maker it is
marsh cloak
UE5 still has most of the same shit as ue4
just better
niagara for example is in ue4
urban gyro
yeah, i just installed it and it doesn't look much different
marsh cloak
I'm most excited for Chaos, and Niagara
urban gyro
niagara has been in forever
slim mica
I hope they remake them into a decent node system lol
real pasture
I'm surprised that it's not on the UE4 page news page. lol
urban gyro
im not sure i understand, its been out of experimental since 4.22-23 iirc
marsh cloak
we aren't allowed to use niagara at my studio because of how unstable it is on our version of ue4
marsh cloak
EG, wasn't production ready
urban gyro
well that don't mean it isn't stable on the most recent version 😛
marsh cloak
Hence me saying "I'm most excited for Chaos, and Niagara"
because it's stable and ready to use
slim mica
tbh proprietary engines crash way more than unreal on a preview state lol
main pebble
The only thing I can think is that nanite is some more advanced LOD like thing but way better.
marsh cloak
Kensei
cerulean sandal
Volumetric clouds also come in 4.26
marsh cloak
You aren't hearing me
urban gyro
@cerulean sandal that sky atmo looked awesome!!
cerulean sandal
Yh
marsh cloak
for a studio to put 1000s of $$$ into an unstable and not fully released package such as chaos is not viable, so I can't really fully invest myself into it right now, once it is fully integrated in egUE5 then I can invest myself into it
urban gyro
i understand that, for chaos, I don't see what's wrong with Niagara in 4.25
if anything Cascade is much more unstable
urban gyro
well i only use perforce, it's more than enough for binary and code
so I guess thats a no
marsh cloak
A-lot of us vfx guys are just testing and playing around with the new tools, but nothing will be a viable rout to take until full release or at least a stable release
which both chaos and niagara will be at in ue5 hopfully
which opens a-lot of doors for studios who decide to upgrade or start again
urban gyro
im sorry are you saying that in your experience cascade is more stable than niagara currently is?
marsh cloak
Cascade has been ue3/4s default for years so yes
urban gyro
what kind of problems did u have with niagara?
cuz most of my issues with cascade were on the crashier side of things
whereas since niagara came out of experimental I have yet to crash
marsh cloak
I am yet to crash with cascade
materials on the other hand
In my experience Niagara just isn't viable in my studio as of now
It will be
but not now
I think we are using an early version of ue4 which probably doesn't help
urban gyro
it has to be cuz cascade has been deprecated for several versions now, and i doubt it will survive in ue5
marsh cloak
I think it will be removed completely in UE5
urban gyro
ditto
next badger
Cascade will be definitely dropped
calm sphinx
Cascade is ded
marsh cloak
I am excited for draw calls being a thing of the past
urban gyro
why not just update ur engine and use niagara then
calm sphinx
I hope they also deliver Chaos as production ready with UE5
urban gyro
we'll c in .26
solar ether
Should I start learning unreal now or just wait?
marsh cloak
not a 3 or 5 man thing
urban gyro
ur gonna have to upgrade eventually, the more you put it off the more it's gonna hurt
marsh cloak
Learn it now
solar ether
like how much of this is going to change
urban gyro
start now
marsh cloak
That's not my decision to make
marsh cloak
Our publishers will question how much it will cost
calm sphinx
UE4 -> UE5 won't be something like UDK -> UE4, don't get your hopes up for huge list of changes imo
calm sphinx
Also I bet most of the features will be released as "experimental"
urban gyro
@marsh cloak well, rock and a hard place then
marsh cloak
UE4 wont be better then UE5 what are you nuts!
marsh cloak
I wonder if the unlimited poly count works with skinned mesh
calm sphinx
They will, lol
Tell me one big feature that Epic released as fully completed, since around 4.18
flint trench
Tell me one big feature that Epic released as fully completed, since around 4.18
@calm sphinx rep graph
calm sphinx
Sequencer, Chaos, Niagara, Control Rig. All released as experimental first
urban gyro
yes
still moat
UE5 got just Cancelled, UE64 Confirmed
calm sphinx
I can extend the list more
abstract relic
As they should be
urban gyro
but thhere's 2 more versions of ue4 incoming
they will be xperimental there
probably
marsh cloak
UE5 wont be here for a while anyway
calm sphinx
I don't think they will include UE5 exclusive features in UE4 as experimental
marsh cloak
UE5 - Pay now for premium lighting
urban gyro
hah, I highly doubt UE5 is gonna be this giant rewrite of an engine, althho, i wish it was
calm sphinx
The most you can get about next gen stuff is 4.25-plus branch in GitHub. It's for next generation games
urban gyro
also, Preview 1 and Launch are gonna be 6 months apart
marsh cloak
the guys behind the software are crazy smart, so I think they would have rewrote a-lot of the backend stuff since it's C++ it's quite easy
calm sphinx
but currently it only has bug fixes & temp workarounds to make things work in PS5 & Xbox Scarlett
urban gyro
yeah if tomorrow they annnounce ECS is comming im going to get drunk on endorphine
calm sphinx
They need to rewrite whole reflection system imo, lol
urban gyro
😄
still moat
When the credit cards of mom's pull in more money than investors ever could 🤑
next badger
@calm sphinx maybe Cpp consortium will update cpp to headerless at that time
calm sphinx
10 years later maybe
marsh cloak
Who remembers Euclidieon
urban gyro
i remember i got pwnd in this discord for being hyped about euclideon
next badger
are they still operate? Euclidieon?
urban gyro
ye
faint cedar
So I'm curious
faint cedar
I've read some papers on the tech behind Nanite etc. and it's really interesting.
calm sphinx
Never heard of it
faint cedar
But let's assume that none of what we've seen is snake oil or marketing hype
next badger
all those those Aussee weirdos
faint cedar
Let's say just making meshes in ZBrush and having them go directly into the game is a viable workflow
So
How would a modeling pipeline look then?
opaque bronze
lol C++ will not die anytime soon imo
faint cedar
In terms of unwrapping, texturing
urban gyro
i guess I'll learn it when it becomes relevant
next badger
@faint cedar can you texture in ZBrush?
faint cedar
I think it has some rudimentary painting tools
next badger
i mean PBR
calm sphinx
@opaque bronze People said same stuff for Fortran back in the time 
urban gyro
my guess would be u just UV and sennd to engine
opaque bronze
and people said the same "X will kill C++" too
next badger
Pascal, Delphi
urban gyro
fortran is still used in physics thho
calm sphinx
Each language can die in the future, we can't know
opaque bronze
not srsly Rust is nice
faint cedar
Ye but how do you unwrap a 30 quazildrion polygon mesh
calm sphinx
but it's certain better languages will appear with time, and people start using them instead
urban gyro
how is that ur problem, mark the seams and let er rip
next badger
@faint cedar just store color in vertex colors =))))
modern sinew
Can someone help me fix my plugin installation?
faint cedar
hah
next badger
@modern sinew depends...
wild kestrel
You would need to kill all software that is written in that language consider it dead.
faint cedar
where they don't unwrap meshes
dire fjord
what happened to "UE5 is a long long long way away if ever" talk that I I've often read when it's brought up?
next badger
@wild kestrel or all developers who can write on
modern sinew
@next badger I got Advanced Sessions working, and then when I moved it to my Project folder so it wouldn't cause a crash every time I tried to package it, it stopped working, so I think I messed up moving it
urban gyro
honestly I still don't understand why it's not just another version
vale silo
perhaps a silly question, but how does one use Megascans in the project? Models aren't modular and I am not sure how people use it to build worlds that don't look obviously kitbashed with intersecting models.. Asking for a friend for mobile project. 😅
faint cedar
Anyone claiming C++ will, or can die, are clueless honestly
wild kestrel
devlopers can switch, project millions of lines of code don't or else you start from 0
urban gyro
megascans for mobile, daium
calm sphinx
@faint cedar Can die. To counter that claim, you should tell me why it can't
next badger
@modern sinew wdym by "moved" ?
modern sinew
@next badger I copied it over to the Plugins folder for my Project
and now it's just not working
it's not giving an error, but
it's not working
calm sphinx
Those languages are not carved on the stones, and I'm not telling they can die like in a year. I told maybe after 10 years.
Also we're not talking about C, but C++.
faint cedar
@calm sphinx - Let's put it this way, the US government still hires COBOL programmers. The body of work written in C++ that is still maintained to this day is gargantuan. The language itself is still being updated even. I'd argue that it's probably being used more today than in the past twenty years, with the amount of documentation and resources growing.
next badger
@modern sinew is it enabled in the project still?
urban gyro
oh yeah, next step, game development in FRIKKIN C
vale silo
@urban gyro why not? There are LODs and 835 SoC and better smartphones are more than capable (although I am working with Oculus Quest)
calm sphinx
People also still use Fortran, but this doesn't save it from being "dead"
next badger
@faint cedar question is...is it successfully hiring or just permanently waits?
urban gyro
@vale silo seems to me a lot of the detail will be lost, but hey whhatever works for u
modern sinew
@next badger Yes, but the "Has Online Subsystem" node stopped working even though I didn't touch it
faint cedar
@next badger - Apparently it's successful, from what I've heard from some guys browsing for jobs during quarantine.
next badger
@faint cedar i see 2 options, they are weirdos who want to loarn cobol, or it's well paid job
well paid compared to other jobs in the same area of expertise (programming etc)
@modern sinew som you made a project to test a plugin, then migrated it to your main one?
faint cedar
@calm sphinx - True but there are more things to factor in. If, and I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass here, you say that "in the 80s, 50% of all software used Fortran, but it still died", isn't the same as saying "in the 2020's, 5% of software is using C++, it can still die", because 5% of software today is probably more than the entire volume of software available in the 80s. Gigantic corporations, least of which are game development studios, actively use C++ and they have a well established workflow, libraries and workforce adept at it.
If you have something like, a blood sugar meter embedded software written in C++ or something like that, do you think that will ever abandon the language?
modern sinew
@next badger I followed the Multiplayer Game tutorial, added in the Advanced Sessions Plugin, and it did what it was supposed to. The problem was that it was causing Packaging to fail, which I then read was because it had to be in the Project folder. I move it to the Project folder, and no crash, but it just stopped working
faint cedar
Admittedly such software will probably never be updated but that's just the furthest end of the extreme.
next badger
@modern sinew from engine folder to project folder?
modern sinew
@next badger yes
faint cedar
needs to be Project/Plugins
and you need to re-generate your project files and re-build your project most likely
modern sinew
It's in Project/Plugins
dire fjord
why is the epic online services SDK using c# and not c++?
next badger
@modern sinew and you migrated the files?
modern sinew
but wym re-generate? I did rebuild it tho
faint cedar
(And re-enable the plugin)
modern sinew
@next badger I copied and pasted the folder
crisp fable
next badger
if it's enabled and no errors are shown, make sure you can access the plugin logic
i'm not talking about existing bps
next badger
well, same way you did in the tutorial
yep, form scratch
if it works, then you probably need to relink the nodes, maybe some ue4 serialization issue
midnight root
4.24.3, sun & sky dynamic lighting, what setting atm am I missing that has clouds show up only during gameplay, not a huge thing just wondering ;))
modern sinew
Ok for some reason the blueprint editor just isn't opening up rn
like, it's showing up
as a tab
but it's not showing on my screen
ok, wait
I right-clicked and selected "maximize" and it's there now
ok, the node pulled up fine, testing it now
Ok, still didn't work
@next badger I was able to pull up the node just fine, but it still didn't detect Steam, despite Steam being open.
regal mango
hey, can I download older version of unreal engine? I'm looking to download Unreal Engine 3
next badger
and you've restarted the editor and the steam?
modern sinew
hmm, no, but I can
next badger
@regal mango yes, google for UDK
latest probably http://download.udk.com/UDKInstall-2015-02.exe
modern sinew
@next badger Still nothing
next badger
and steam subsystem works fine?
modern sinew
?
Well, there's no errors
how can I check if it's Steam Subsystem that's failing?
main pebble
@faint cedar You said you read some papers on the tech behind Nanite. Any links you can share or at least a paper you can point me to? Very interested in reading about.
regal mango
latest probably http://download.udk.com/UDKInstall-2015-02.exe
@next badger thanks
modern sinew
@next badger how can I check if it's Steam Subsystem that's failing?
next badger
@dire fjord
dire fjord
Ah. the documentation I saw had the C# at the top
I'll dig through and find the c++ documentation
that must be for unity games
upbeat jackal
Does anyone know of a tutorial of how to do a skylight recapture blue print such as this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeiRiOpHZr4 I've been learning UE during the quarantine and I havent done any blueprint stuff which is why I cant replicate something as simple as the youtube video. See 0:19 to see the blueprint in question.
faint cedar
@main pebble - It's basically old research papers from Brian Karis, the main guy behind it.
http://graphicrants.blogspot.com/2009/01/more-geometry.html
http://graphicrants.blogspot.com/2009/01/virtual-geometry-images.html
I am not sure if Nanite uses this approach 100%, but I am pretty sure it would have to be something in this direction
main pebble
Thanks so much. Just trying to get my head around how this might work.
faint cedar
To put it really simply (apologies if I misname something or get something wrong) - it stores geometry as textures, the same way runtime virtual textures are stored. It only streams in what it needs, at the detail level it needs, using octrees. Then it uses those textures to just generate triangles at the required places, at the density it needs. Basically polycount becomes a per-pixel cost.
next badger
@modern sinew https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/Programming/Online/index.html
also, network related stuff on #multiplayer
cloud loom
everybody, get super fast memory quick, ue5 is going to eat all of it in nanoseconds
faint cedar
Something akin to this I imagine
Again, I might be completely off-base here
This is pure speculation
However, they did mention:
main pebble
Cool I look forward to reading these when I have a chance. One thought I had was that they made the cost screen space dependent but I had no idea how
oblique void
For games still being made on the udk, how easy would it be to port to ue5?
cloud loom
That sounds very reasonable DamirH
faint cedar
cloud loom
only 5 ssd's per game
faint cedar
This is important, because, and he mentions this in the blog post I linked, if geometry was turned into textures then it can be texture-compressed much the same way VTs are compressed now.
cloud loom
we used to carry 20 floppies for one game, don't cry, just look at the graphics
faint cedar
and texture compression is crazy efficient these days
cloud loom
sounds very interesting, can't wait to hear more about this tech
faint cedar
My bigger concern really is the editor performance and requirements
ancient lotus
new minimum requirements, 3080ti
cloud loom
I'm quite sure super fast memory will be key for this engine
gaunt abyss
probably
cloud loom
We will all need new motherboards and hard drives XD
faint cedar
is that they stream in the mesh data, you rarely, if ever, have the full mesh loaded into memory.
It'd be impossible for any sort of sane workflow expectation.
faint cedar
Did I miss something on that one? I thought the PS5 just has an off-the-shelf m.2 in it?
grim ore
this definitely makes up my mind on if I should go with a 1tb or 2tb nvme, bring on the 5!
cloud loom
no, it has super fast memory
surreal holly
I was planning of a new PC build, but i think im going to wait till NVidia announces ampere for this one
gaunt abyss
it's apparently a custom made ssd for the ps5 🤷♀️
cloud loom
but, they will allow off the shelf ssds, but only ones that support their super fast chip thing
which so far dont exist yet afaik
at least not retail
grim ore
next badger
@grim orefor how long forums have avatars?
grim ore
Watch the actual video on the PS5 tech, there is not just "slap a drive in it and call it good" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph8LyNIT9sg
Xbox is similar but not the same, custom silicon as well
cloud loom
This means they can have much smaller buffer in terms of what they need to preload into memory, which means much more efficient streaming possibilities, just keep loading truckloads of data constantly, and only important data
grim ore
@next badger I can't say for sure but Hevedy mentioned it earlier today in lounge
next badger
@grim ore pc still a problem...no pcie4 ssds there
grim ore
there are pcie 4 SSD's for pc, just the support isnt wide spread
grim ore
regardless of the interface having custom code/decode chips in the hardware is what is making a big leap for the consoles
cloud loom
all of a sudden just, boom, feast on this for a bit guys
grim ore
oh yeah I agree on that and even then regardless of the interface you still have SATA SSD's being prevelant
so while 600MB might have been sexy in the past....
hell I have a sata m.2 drive in this machine still because I bought the wrong one 3 years ago lol
faint cedar
interesting, ye, whatever Nanite is it will be bandwidth hungry
But then again
what are the realistic requirements for virtual texture streaming?
I expect it to be in that ballpark
faint cedar
Because like, if it stores geometry as a texture, then it doesn't really care how dense the geometry is
just the resulting VT
But again, pure speculation
grim ore
well we got what? less than a year till GDC when we might see some more actual factual stuff plus some more info this week apparently
until then, speculation!
urban gyro
one thing is certain, pc master race is 2 stronk
cloud loom
And dreaming about the days us artists can just, make art...
fucking hell, this is going to chance so much
grim ore
honestly I am just happy that the consoles this gen seem to be very adequate and not holding back dev this cycle but encouraging it
cloud loom
star citizen better become a game quick, or they will have a lot of work on their hands generating this level of art quality
urban gyro
hahaha no chance
cloud loom
lol
still moat
wut
urban gyro
that archaic engine is already pushed to its limits, not to mention that they made one swap already
grim ore
right now we just need to convince people that learning UE4 now is good, no you are not wasting time learning it now, no you didnt waste time on your project that you are working on now, no UE4 is not going to disappear when UE5 comes out, etc.
cloud loom
ue4 will become the engine for mobile
urban gyro
well, just wait for the unity influx
cloud loom
just rename it ue4mobile
grim ore
we had the influx when ue4 came out , they complained about no C# support and left
urban gyro
hahaa
cloud loom
done, you can pay me now
main pebble
right now we just need to convince people that learning UE4 now is good, no you are not wasting time learning it now, no you didnt waste time on your project that you are working on now, no UE4 is not going to disappear when UE5 comes out, etc.
@grim ore It was just 4.27 till marketing caught wind of it
urban gyro
lets make a wrapper for the wrapper of a wrapper to make em happy then
grim ore
its not like renaming for revisions is that odd. Cryengine does it, Unity does it, UE is just slower 😛
faint cedar
I'd be very happy if UE became a bit less accessible. Not looking forward to the influx of "how do I make mmo"
next badger
@grim ore people still asking about UDK...
hoary locust
aren't unity people just making anime games?
cloud loom
influx is good, I think it helps drive a lot of good ideas
urban gyro
there will always be ppl asking about how to make a "insert genre"
grim ore
Unity and UE are merging in terms of quality and usability. I think we will see more people realizing that with 5 coming out
next badger
@hoary locust anime games? like? visual novels? there is engine for those specifically
urban gyro
hah, didnt know that
next badger
urban gyro
might give it a whirl, i know i guy who can't stop drawing
grim ore
*there's an engine for that is pretty much true for all genres
cloud loom
But real talk
fierce tulip
good april fools joke would be an article where you can just import your unity project into ue5
cloud loom
does ue5 have 2d support also?
urban gyro
HHDHAHD 😄
next badger
@fierce tulip where you can run unity in ue5
urban gyro
i think a better joke would be having full games as templates
modern sinew
Does anyone know how to tell if Steam Subsystem is what is failing?
grim ore
I did a video a few years back for March 31st and released it right before midnight about me dropping UE4 and going back to Unity... Unreal Engine people where not very amused
urban gyro
😄
cloud loom
ue5 will have a blueprint to emulate unity games, in game
grim ore
@cloud loom seeing how Paper2D is a plugin I would assume so unless they stop supporting them
plush yew
@grim ore Hahaha that's hilarious, knowing your videos, i probably would have had a death of laughter
cloud loom
@grim ore it was joke, but thanks 🙂
grim ore
it was a good question tho seeing as how Paper2D is sad 😦 it cries in a corner alone at night
cloud loom
I see no reason to remove support for that
it is just a bit overkill perhaps, but why not
grim ore
I mean we have quality "2d" games in Ue4 as it is now, just have to dev to its strengths
FighterZ is a beautiful fighting game
next badger
@cloud loom @grim ore someone released a 2d paper plugin on forums, iirc it cost about 80 bucks
urban gyro
that with spritesheets and such?
next badger
it's more advanced ofc
grim ore
yep, to be honest even tho Unity is strong in 2D its not like there are not better plugins for sale for it as well
hell you had no real UI system for YEAAAAAARS in unity without buying one so the concept of spending money to prop up engine features is not new
grave spruce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhGjCzxJV3E here the explanation of the fake 2d effect
faint cedar
If I were to do a 2D game these days I'd probably just run with Godot
next badger
@grave spruce but that is 3d...and quite complex one
faint cedar
@grave spruce - Yeah that effect is quite complex in terms of art requirements to get it to work properly.
urban gyro
isnt that fancy shader work
next badger
@urban gyro nope
grim ore
right now I think the goal is to use Unreal Engine to make a near million dollar selling game and just appreciate Epic for all the support they give at no charge
grave spruce
use only in 3 games
grave spruce
faint cedar
in just the right way
plush yew
I think 2d developers need a good inspiration of what 2d games can be, they need tools to help them develop faster, 2d games are almost entirely art driven, b/c of things like sprite driven hitboxes where its allot of the time just better to redo the art to match the intended or needed collisions instead of messing with art and hitboxes independently, idk i hate everything there is todo with a 2d game, but i feel like its because there's not many tools that drive the creation of 2d assets easily.
next badger
@urban gyro characters are custom uved and they have painted custom normals
faint cedar
YOu know
grave spruce
https://trello.com/b/Kl9Pjqfn/paper2d-tasks here the old trello board for paper2d
urban gyro
but then if ur gonna do that....just make a 3d game
next badger
urban gyro
u can always use Spriter if u want 2d animation toolset like in 3d
plush yew
Think of substance painter, or zbrush or 3dsmax but for pixel art. nothing exists, there are things like crocotile 3d but that's just a simple max with a terrible interface 😦
plush yew
Spriter is cool, however i can use blender too
next badger
blender has 2 plugins for pixelart iirc
urban gyro
or that
cloud loom
guess they are going to have to upgrade eevee XD
next badger
plush yew
Problem is there's no current industry for 2d games so no mainstream 2d tool exists.
It's all just a desolate aftermath of years of abuse lol
urban gyro
3d has its crappy parts too...im stuck animating a bird and the wings are a real pain in the ass to fold
plush yew
@next badger Thats the other one i was thinking of besides crocotile 3d , just couldnt think of the name thanks!
elfin stream
Just saw the UE5 reveal. I’m not sure how to respond. Seems like the first real next gen step we’ve been hoping for for years
next badger
yeah, many people disturbed by ue5
elfin stream
It’s a paradigm shift. It should make people disturbed
next badger
is it tho? people can pull a lot of pbr assets to ue4, and it will run like poop on any hardware that is not next gen?
@plush yew my bad, 2nd one was for unity
https://jamie-rollo.itch.io/mesh-edit
real pasture
I don't know that much about the Epic Online Services. Would anyone mind giving me a TLDR regarding it real quick?
wise lagoon
does EOS warrant the creation of a new channel? 
real pasture
Yes.
urban gyro
from what I've gathered so far it's just a way to interconnect platforms. Like if u have a game u can have ur psn players play with xbox players playing with pc players
next badger
real pasture
Huh... interesting
rancid lynx
how do i "get material" from this Array Element output node? i tried casting to actor, casting to material, instance. i have 10 actors, i want to get their materials from a loop
plush yew
Neat i did not know about meshedit, i have crocotile3d and sprytile, but, they both dont fill my need, mesh edit def looks like it might but it still has the flaws of the other two, it's only focusing on the pixel art to 3d model part,
what im kinda talking about is pixel art material tools with those 3d tools. Generative pixel art, like substances, mixed with 3dcoat, i think i forgot to specify in my original post but more the 2d art part before actually painting or making the model. and the workflow between it all
wise lagoon
for EOS i'm seeing support for things like leaderboards, cloud saves, matchmaking, lobbies, achievements, analytics, etc.
@real pasture that's just the overview on this page https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/services
real pasture
@wise lagoon Ty
next badger
it's not just that...EOS uses ABI (application binary interface), that lets you write the app in one language and connect to it by app that was written in another, and that aligment is stable (means you can update sdk but not the app)
urban gyro
download the samples and ull c what it does
rancid lynx
wtf is that. surely that means unreal just went paid.
silk lintel
unreal needs to add enums as a material function input
Also theres a bug where if you copy a material layer output node into a material, you cant delete it. Probably cause they never expected someone to do that lol.
wise lagoon
i've used PlayFab in the past... i'm wondering if EOS provides a lot of similar things that I used that for (cloud data store, friends, stats, and leaderboards)
definitely seems to indicate it may very well
silk lintel
yeah, i think it covers most, if not all, of those
next badger
@wise lagoon no services available atm except ticket one
wise lagoon
oh
real pasture
Just to clarify something. Does that mean Epic is proving the servers or do you still do that part yourself?
rancid lynx
how do i get the material from this Array Element. i tried casting, i couldnt figure it out.
wise lagoon
so the stuff on the "Game Services" page is future???? wha???
urban gyro
u have to host ur own servers
silk lintel
@rancid lynx quite the opposite, unreal (all engine versions, 4/5 retroactive) are completely royalty free for gross revenue < $1 million
wise lagoon
taht page sure as heck didn't read like that ... good to know
next badger
@wise lagoon
rancid lynx
yea thanks. i read that news also but. anything with the word services, and ;get started; usually mean "credit card"
wise lagoon
man, thanks for letting me know.... i would've gone off on a wild goose chase for sure
urban gyro
electricity aint free so...
silk lintel
i wonder if u can use eos in tandem with aws for server hosting... id assume so right?
if you literally mean u have to host ur own servers
wise lagoon
sure, they say you can pick&choose
rancid lynx
yea those services, deserve payment. i wasnt arguing that. i was jus thoping unreal engine wasnt going to follow that dangerous path.
luckly it looks like its not : )
real pasture
I gotta admit. With everything that happened today, I'm starting to like Epic a lot more. lol
next badger
the only thing i hope will be free is hole punching for player hosted multiplayer
plush yew
If i wanted to edit my bluejay bird say for example for my 2d ballerina game, i need to modify every frame... This is the kinda problem im talking about more specifically if somethings wrong, i have to change all the tiles, then go into 3d and basically start from scratch.
urban gyro
that would be pretty laggy thho no
silk lintel
Theres no option. There really isn't. Weather ur an indie game dev team or a AAA studio that isn't coding their own engine, epic has the best feature set, best tools, best support, best documentation/knowledge base, best payment system...
urban gyro
well theres always unity
silk lintel
not anymore
wise lagoon
i had heard they were working on this solution early last year. Good to see it's finally out. Definitely makes sense going forward. Especially if it helps unify the EGS branding across all platforms including cross-progression/achievements
urban gyro
😄
silk lintel
i think today was the nail in the coffin
cloud loom
I'm sure Unity will implement similar tech
urban gyro
@plush yew bro use Spriter, it is infinetely easy to modify animations
wise lagoon
about unity... i saw some tweets today about them being in a rough spot... what's the deal on that? i'm out of the loop and couldn't easily find clear info
silk lintel
Theyre so behind. They used to be a ways ahead and they got lazy.
real pasture
RIP Unity
wise lagoon
is unity 2020 finally unveiling their whole non-backwards-compatible engine revamp?
silk lintel
Especially when the improbable/spatial os support fell through.
real pasture
@wise lagoon This might help you. https://www.reddit.com/r/Unity3D/comments/gj2wuw/what_are_everyones_thoughts_on_the_new_unreal/
wise lagoon
so the basis is cost?
wise lagoon
wait, unity's model was retroactive???!!
ok, i should probably just go research and stop being annoying lol... i'm sorry i'm a newb to so much of this still
urban gyro
people in that thread talking how mmo's are going to benefit the most out of that tech tho
plush yew
@urban gyro I do sometimes, I just used pyxel edit to grab a Screenshot of art i made lol
But even so if the pixel art itself is off we still have to go back in to the 2deditor and change the pixels,
silk lintel
no, what im saying is that the new royalty model applies to all games published the moment of that statement, regardless of engine version
vale silo
back to my Megascans question - do people just kitbash levels using those assets ?
silk lintel
that includes 4.10-5.0
wise lagoon
ohhhhhh
real pasture
Unreal has just become a very financially attractive option since they've raised the profit share bounds significantly.
Unity is in absolute limbo right now. The scriptable render pipelines are chaos and possibly even outdated now compared to what Unreal 5 is offering. The engine is a patch work of depreciated and unfinished features. So many bugs. And they still don't offer the dark theme for free which is now looking super petty after what Unreal just did. (I expect that it'll be free this year after this announcement. Last time Unreal did something like this Unity announced the removal of pro/free feature split.)
silk lintel
*not specifically 4.10, just emphasis
real pasture
From one of the comments on that post
wise lagoon
but i thought it said games released jan 1 2020 and later
silk lintel
im saying when that statement is in effect
next badger
@real pasture that thread is so sad ;_;
plush yew
Like 3d has all these send to x program, making it easy to go from one to one, manually opening exporting, importing praying its right, is so 21st century
real pasture
@next badger Why you say that? lol
cyan merlin
The unreal engine 5 announcement made me more excited for something then I have been in awhile
urban gyro
@plush yew dunno man, if I need 2d animation I just make components, stich in spriter and export a sprite sheet. If I wanna change something I just change that component
silk lintel
@cyan merlin aww that profile is so sad
real pasture
It seems like people who work on Unity would love to come to Unreal if they supported C#
wise lagoon
@cyan merlin i feel the same and i don't really understand why, but it seemed amazing
cloud loom
Tim Sweeny went from mowing the lawn to changing the god damn world today
cyan merlin
After calming down some tho I just hope they include an intermediate scripting language and better documentation then what's currently available
silk lintel
@cyan merlin at least give us a picture of the letter e
urban gyro
im kinda happy ue4 isnt runnin c#
vale silo
I don't believe for a moment that lack of C# is what prevents people going with UE4
or with UE5 for that matter
silk lintel
Ue5 is not a whole new engine, its basically an update. A gigantic, revolutionary update, but an update still the same.
cyan merlin
@vale silo it's the lack of up to date content and API documentation
urban gyro
honestly if learning C++ after learning C# is difficult for you, I doubt you'll get a game out anyway
rancid lynx
tbh. motion controllers excite me more than more polygons. mouse keyboard controller based games are really boring tbh.
next badger
@real pasture imagine they roll up the plugins that can be written in c#...like character plugin , or ui plugin etc
cloud loom
I'm pretty sure it is for many honestly. I meet so many people who can program unity c#, but can't actually program
wise lagoon
i've been a c# dev my whole career in general dev and i love c#, but after doing a little unity, i wish c# had multiple inheritance
real pasture
If Unreal supported c# Unity would be done. lol
wise lagoon
EOS SDK has c++ and c# versions
plush yew
But what if they are all wrong, manually editing them all is tedious! but i guess thats why we pay artists to make it right... but i feel for that work flow its a nightmare, its nothing like making a true 3d game vs a pixel art 2d game. it seems simpler, but were trying to make an engine only work in 2 dimensions when it works in 3
cloud loom
even with all the added ue4 stuff, ue4 c++ seems too complex for many
wise lagoon
what if they announced C# support for UE5?
frank grove
I thought I would not see a new unreal engine 5 so "soon' I guess
urban gyro
it's messy as all hell imo
silk lintel
i think if they can improve on the material editor, even rebuild the entire framework from the ground up and include more hlsl or lower level shader programming support, they will literally have a monopoly
vale silo
There are Blueprints
rancid lynx
how difficult is it to sell a game on epic marketplace? do i have to pay 100 bucks like i did with steam ?
cyan merlin
I agree that C++ isn't too hard to learn, but it's not the optimal language for most game scripting, you end up writing so much additional code on top of the logic you were trying to code to begin with that it's just annoying.
silk lintel
hmm good question
cloud loom
Sure, but blueprints are visual. But you are right, most of the c# devs will use blueprint when using ue4 I find
urban gyro
c++ just looks ugly as hell in ue. macros, long ass function calls and names, and then the classes also
vale silo
Blueprints are for scripting @cyan merlin
cyan merlin
And blueprints as amazing as they are, are not a replacement for scripting language
silk lintel
i mean there is the potential to get a dev grant and have your game free for a week, so it would be more than worth it
vale silo
meh
cloud loom
ue4 c++ is already way easier to read vs normal c c++
urban gyro
yes it is
next badger
@rancid lynx marketplace != egs
real pasture
Can you Imagine if they announce that UE5 supports c# and has better 2D platform? lol
urban gyro
whaaaaaat, nah
wise lagoon
i believe the big thing preventing people from touching unreal is "c++ is hard" and "unity is so easy!"
silk lintel
lmao noooo
cloud loom
they have a lot of supporting code already made for you, it is basically c# scripting stuff for most of the gameplay coding
urban gyro
how is ue4 c++ easier than normal c++
next badger
@rancid lynx egs is for games, mp for assets and plugins
wise lagoon
i didn't hear anyone talk about blueprints until i went to a random local unreal engine meetup just cause and i was blown away
cyan merlin
Blueprints are good, don't get me wrong, but you won't see large companies using it outside of prototyping because it's not as performant and basically impossible to maintain
silk lintel
wut ue4 is both the easiest and the hardest. bp and c++, theres something for everyone!
urban gyro
one function call or a property access takes like 50 characters
wise lagoon
blueprints beats the pants off unity's wonky, half-baked inspector
cloud loom
But it is still not this click and play unity type c# script stuff
real pasture
You want to see a good game made only with BPs? Look at Robo Recall. lol
silk lintel
um yeah? it is?
plush yew
C++ is no harder than any other language, it just gives you more control. and with control comes responsibility, some people don't like responsibilities as developers. 🤫
next badger
@rancid lynx scroll down https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/about
silk lintel
haha
vale silo
@cyan merlin Epic's own projects have a lot of BP.. If only they made BP to be version controlled like code...
rancid lynx
@next badger ty ty ill read it now
cloud loom
imo ue4 c++ is harder to master, but easier to use, Unity easy to master, but hard to use
silk lintel
its royalty based also, huh
cyan merlin
Outside of epic making games with their own systems to showcase them lmao
urban gyro
i don't know about mastering, but it is defo a pain in the ass to read
silk lintel
they need more documentation in the materials domain
wise lagoon
i spent 8 years occasionally prodding at unity for a week or two once a year and always gave up quickly because it just felt weird and like it was all memorization
frank grove
did they said when the UE5 is coming out?
urban gyro
late 2021
cyan merlin
@frank grove sometime 2021, don't know the exact date
silk lintel
preview early 2021
wise lagoon
finally gave unreal a try for a fresh start and wow.... i've messed up ever giving unity a try lol
paper sapphire
could probably expect it to come out later
frank grove
ok thanks
wise lagoon
unreal makes sense to me
neon rune
anyone know how to import fbx models into UE4
silk lintel
import button....
plush yew
Drag and drop @neon rune
cyan merlin
Unreal is the better engine hands down, unless your aiming for 2D
urban gyro
drag n drop an fbx
wise lagoon
yeah, i'm kind of sad the 2D pipeline in unreal has kind of just been forgotten about
silk lintel
what there really isnt an up front fee for egs?
cyan merlin
@wise lagoon I'm hoping it will get some love in the later ue5 versions
neon rune
I've tried that, it just ends up as a tiny sphere
heady quartz
Whats the best way to retarget meshes to ue4 default skeleton OUTSIDE ue4 so that when i import the mesh it uses the default skeleton?
heady quartz
A humanoid mesh*
wise lagoon
i hope so. If Unreal's 2D pipe was even half of what unity can do, I'd have no reason to tell people to use Unity
cloud loom
I'd say 2d is very functional in unreal, there is not really a lot to update about it, very usable for pretty much any 2d game as is
silk lintel
it sometimes doesnt always work out that way with scaling and stuff, so just play around with it if that doesnt work
cyan merlin
If unreal improves it's 2D pipeline unity will kinda lose any advantage
silk lintel
check ur units in blender/maya/3ds max
plush yew
@heady quartz i beleive maya is the best tool for that ART tools is it called maya users?
silk lintel
mayans
neon rune
ok
real pasture
@cyan merlin Unity would die if Epic improved their 2D pipeline
silk lintel
politically correct term
wise lagoon
@real pasture i hope epic is secretly at work doing just that although the trello roadmap i found today looks a bit abandoned.... so.... i dunno
silk lintel
i admit i use blender tho 🤥
grave spruce
paper2d was one employee project
wise lagoon
oh
silk lintel
nah theyre soaring through the trello imo
cyan merlin
I wonder why epic dropped 2D
silk lintel
right on time
next badger
paper2d was not an intended plugin, it was developed by sole dev
cyan merlin
2D is a very large market
silk lintel
sure, and 3d is bigger
grave spruce
lack of use in 2014
cyan merlin
True, but you cant say a market isn't big because the other one is bigger
plush yew
@silk lintel I use 3DSMax... for everything pretty much because its so familiar :(
thing is so bad i cant even tell you how bad i wish i could trade all my 3dsmax knowledge for blender
grave spruce
the year that was abundant
silk lintel
i didnt say the market isnt big, im comparing it to the alternative
plush yew
paper2d was not an intended plugin, it was developed by sole dev
@next badger For a sole dev, paper2d is really amazing
cyan merlin
cause no one uses 2d lol
@silk lintel
silk lintel
implied compared to the only alternative
cyan merlin
Ah
cloud loom
I am a working 3d artist for nearly 15 years now, and it is the best out them imo
wise lagoon
didn't Ubisoft announce they were converting to blender?
silk lintel
@cyan merlin im tired okey language words is stuff and idk
wise lagoon
i swear i read that sometime last year
silk lintel
rly?
cloud loom
I use it because I want to, I can afford anything I like, but Blender is the shit, it really is
silk lintel
ubisoft uses a custom engine still, right?
wise lagoon
like the whole company was just "aight, off to blender land. By crappy autodesk!"
silk lintel
or did they ever transition
cloud loom
Ubi animation studio converted to blender yeah
wise lagoon
not sure, but i thought it was still amazing news
silk lintel
thats insane
cloud loom
and Unreal gave them 1.5 mil donation
urban gyro
if uve ever used maya and blender, you will know why they switched
plush yew
I know Ubisoft joined the Blender Development Fund but total conversion? highly unlikely
lament saddle
@plush yew I'm kind of in the same boat. Blender's not actually terrible if you haven't seen the 2.8 release though. It no longer has that bizarroworld UI and control scheme and now resembles a normal 3D package.
cloud loom
Blender had a great time since their 2.8 release
silk lintel
ubisoft - game engine question mark
yeah, just wish booleans were more intuitive/easy to use...
cloud loom
Blender always was very powerful, but 2.8 changed everything
plush yew
@lament saddle omg i downloaded 2.8 with highhopes and forgot about it XD thank you im check it out
cloud loom
that was the moment I switched, and never looked back
urban gyro
same
rancid lynx
im very happy with blender. but im no high end pro. so i dont know much past low poly.
frank grove
everything changed when the fire nation attacked
rancid lynx
the first 4 weeks were a bitch X_x i nearly quit 5 times
frank grove
ok,sorry
silk lintel
ah okay ubi is secretive about the engine they use but its their custom AnvilNext + ue4
rancid lynx
once i figured out swapping between edit modes and resetting translations, stuff got alot smoother X_x
urban gyro
blender's hotkey editor is garbage tho
wise lagoon
ok, yeah, Ubisoft Animation Studios https://news.ubisoft.com/en-us/article/1Fse1XyXzj76UJ1gKFohbz/ubisoft-joins-blender-development-fund-to-support-open-source-animation
urban gyro
i remaped half the keys and the damn thhing never registers conflicts
rancid lynx
ha. thats the damn truth. you have to blank out 15 boxes just to resolve conflicts X_x
silk lintel
@urban gyro u literally have to create a save file for ur key mappings and keep it
urban gyro
but ctrl+q is also a hotkey, and what does it do? it quits. gee, great, needed that
rancid lynx
and then backtit up in google so you dont lose it X_x
cloud loom
There are good addons for that
silk lintel
@urban gyro @urban gyro @urban gyro
urban gyro
no u just save prefs and ur keyset is done
silk lintel
press x to doubt
urban gyro
no way, i use x for other things
urban gyro
deleting with x is meh
vale silo
I've been using Blender for a long while.. 2.8x was a great release..
(I used 3DS MAX a way back in the days)
rancid lynx
i started with lightwave X_x. im glad i quit for 15 years
silk lintel
unreal also need fluid simulations, even fake ones
urban gyro
aparently ue5 will have em
cloud loom
I used max, maya, and modo for years each, all are great, but I now use Blender, I just love it, flaws and all, it make so much sense to me as a software
silk lintel
i saw the shallow water simulation plugin, but theres zero documentation or info at all
urban gyro
the fact that I can UV a skinned mesh is enough to keep me with blender, add the other things and it's gg for autodesk
rancid lynx
when i paint dirt paths on terrain, the textures ZIGZAG between verticies, i know you can "smooth" or "increase vertex" count on terrain, but is there a better option for smoothing the edges between two layers on a terrain, so that they dont ZIGZAG between vertexes? why the hell isnt that an option
cloud loom
Currently it is slowly eating zbrush
rancid lynx
good. zbrush should have been cheaper. it deserves to get eatten.
cloud loom
tbh, zbrush pricing model is amazing
rancid lynx
compared to others
cloud loom
I dropped what, 600 bucks decades ago and that was it
silk lintel
oh yeah, i really dont get dynamic tesselation when you have to have a really high poly mesh/landscape in the first place
cloud loom
every update is free
silk lintel
or am i doing it wrong
cloud loom
It is super cheap considering
plush yew
I started with max 5 and a max 5 bible then came 6 with bible and 7 with bible and 8 with bible at the end of life max 8 i was like these bibles are just dust collectors at this point lol
Okay okay, wow blend 2.8 is not bad, i can see myself using this as is, i tried the blender4artists thing the 3dsmax blender conversion thing and it was really terrible even so.
but b2.8 is not bad at all so far
urban gyro
u can say the same about davinci
cloud loom
blender4artists is pointless now imo
next badger
@blissful reef sorry for ping, was it You who originally worked on Paper2D?
cloud loom
blender 2.8 ui is amazing, clean, and highly customizable
silk lintel
or is there another davinci im not aware of
cloud loom
reminds me a lot of modo
urban gyro
yeah resolve, u pay once u get ur lifetime
cloud loom
resolve is also great yeah
next badger
@blissful reef or it was Michael Noland?
silk lintel
resolve is also great in the free version
urban gyro
basically adobe and autodesk are evil and are eventually going to burn
and i will be there when it happens
frank grove
what
cloud loom
I really want krita to git gud
silk lintel
cant wait
cloud loom
or something like it
currently no matter how much I hate it, photoshop is king, nothing like it
ruby folio
Would be nice to have a good photoshop FOSS alternative
silk lintel
i cant finish a game... 😦
@plush yew u post that as if every single living being hasnt already seen it and jumped with joy
cloud loom
We will need to upgrade for sure
silk lintel
minus unity users
frank grove
whats the problem with autodesk
silk lintel
we dont speak of them
rancid lynx
i dont want 90 trillion polygons. i want better controllers. keyboard mouse and console controllers limit games, so boring. id rather motion controller updates. X_x
urban gyro
but photoshop is for photos, and i can't be arsed with those
cloud loom
this tech uses very, very high speed memory, none of our stuff supports that Im afraid
rancid lynx
yea. jsut what we need, dust on our rocks : )
cloud loom
nice link, will watch
silk lintel
hello moderators!! yes i am friends with @plush yew i want karma points
wise lagoon
lol
frank grove
thats a...really cool nickname
cloud loom
watching an episode of devs before watching the ue5 demo gave me weird feelings
ps5 load speeds are nuts
silk lintel
the software is moving so fast, i wish the hardware would be faster cause i cheap boy
joke thing
cloud loom
dont worry this is not reddit
silk lintel
the words thing and im tireddlanguage an stuff
frank grove
how you down vote a comment here
rancid lynx
when painting layers on terrain, the layers always follow the vertex grid lines, ((Like the brown road on the left)). is there a way to smooth out the lines, like the on on the right ?
without edge blurring or multiplying the vertex count ..
plush yew
Lets be frank, most likely not a single one of us can even hit 540MB/s in geometric data with what we have access to at the moment. Let alone GB/s
rancid lynx
can you link a tutorial? i dont know wha tto search for. there are too many wrong examples
cloud loom
new motherboards and ssds soon
frank grove
I agree,and I don't even know what that is
cloud loom
GPUs are not really the issue atm I think
3080 is crazy, sure, but these ssds speeds alone will do a LOT for this stuff
silk lintel
i love throughput
rancid lynx
@ruby folio can you show me a tutorial? i tried searching about height maps, but they didnt see to effect what im looking for. too many different examples
urban gyro
why not call it io its ezier
cloud loom
most pc's can compete with ps5 gpu, but not with it's memory
silk lintel
im sorry idk why i said that
maybe cause im sleep deprived and tired and i need sleep
urban gyro
uhuh
wise lagoon
yeah... make it bolder
neon rune
How do i pose said models for animation?
silk lintel
thats the one
urban gyro
rtdm
plush yew
What i mean is most indie / smaller studios / even some AAA will have a hard time filling 540MB/s in geometric data without just being blatantly negligent about it. 540MB/s is a shitload of information btw. which is an average ssd read speed
next badger
@cloud loom "yet"
urban gyro
you dont
silk lintel
one that can handle at most 1 vertex per pixel in terms of geometry
wise lagoon
how much can that eGPU buy my i wonder....
dark depot
you guys realize things scale right hahaha
ruby folio
@dark depot No... New Engine means it neads MOAR POWARHHR
plush yew
It can absolute run it but you will be bottle necked by harddrive no doubt if its true 5GB/s sustained and 9GB/s boost of SSD speed on PS5
wise lagoon
speaking of scale: is the new limitless lighting and "triangle counts don't matter" something new with GPUs?
urban gyro
btw do you guys get tons of friend invites over epics launcher?
silk lintel
wise lagoon
or is that some kind of insane optimization that works with existing hardware?
silk lintel
its multi bound dynamic gi lighting
plush yew
Progressive Buffers is the term your looking for 😉
dark depot
and needs to work with dirext x and open gl 😛
silk lintel
@dark depot who r u talking to and what r u saying
urban gyro
well im also gonna bounce out, this discord is always taking so much time
theres always someting interesting to talk or argue about
silk lintel
same, im going to do a single-bounce bass of dynamic lighting
fuck
im too tired to edit
plush yew
^ I never get any work done with discord open. gosh i hate but semi-love you all so much
silk lintel
@plush yew u 2
frank grove
I thought I was the only one
wise lagoon
keeley just legit asked my question
silk lintel
right bye for real this time
frank grove
Im always checking discord
silk lintel
for the third time
urban gyro
the worst is if u need to ask a question, open discord, ask a question, get ur answer, then u answer like 3 other questions and then u get into a debate over something
wise lagoon
basically the gist was "we'll be able to render on next gen at what you just saw... for phones/current gen console/PCs, we'll have some way to emulate what we can with software and auto scale that down"
urban gyro
and thhen it turns into an argument and 3 hrs later ur either proven wrong right or agree to disagree
rancid lynx
when painting layers on terrain, the dirt road always follows the vertecies. ((like the road on the left)). how can i make the road look like the one on the right? someone said Height maps, but i cant find the correct tutorial on youtube.
there are many height map tutorials. but i cant find the correct terrain versions.
ue4 terrain layer height map search returns videos from all 5 catagories X_x.
rancid lynx
oh. i didnt understand. thanks.
mint umbra
Do you guys have any idea as of to why the hair is being blurred so harshly out? https://gyazo.com/23cf530e3a1375cb6d1421dd1d9e48f5
ruby folio
@rancid lynx What dont you understand?
mint umbra
Hmm, seems to be PP oriented
Edit: Duh. Motion blur
modern sinew
Is it possible to have an object's size hooked up to a variable so the player can resize it btw?
actually there's probably a blueprint node to change the scaling
thin tendon
@modern sinew Just set its scale to the variable
brisk urchin
My current project folder is at about 30GB. What folders can we delete that aren't needed? I heard that it creates certain folders that aren't needed.
next badger
@brisk urchin they aren't needed for storage...but required for work
ruby folio
@brisk urchin Look up what folders you need to commit to source control.
Delete the ones that arent
next badger
Saved and Intermediate folders
wise lagoon
does the magic cleanup redirectors clear up much space?
ruby folio
DerivedDataCache can be removed if you store it in the GAMEDIR
wise lagoon
i'm hoping that doesn't keep legit copies of assets
next badger
@wise lagoon no...just links (like shortcuts)
wise lagoon
cool
good to know
definitely makes my git repo explode lol
i gotta get on that p4 setup
next badger
@wise lagoon we purchased a cheap nettop($50) and rolled a debian with p4 server
works better than git
next badger
pie is arm based, and p4 dropped arm distros few years ago
hoary locust
don't you need to be like a 100-man team to be able to setup source control with backup?
ruby folio
no
hoary locust
easily the most complicated area I've ever run into
wise lagoon
eh, i guess that's fair, but i definitely want source control and having that 2nd copy + revisions on a different system sounds nice when i've only got a 500gb storage device
hoary locust
git sucks, perforce sucks
next badger
1 man set it up in 2 days, with ssl and modern net tables, 0 knowledge about it
hoary locust
and it's literally impossible to find anywhere to upload to
wise lagoon
i got it setup on my local comp and tried to recreate it on a network but couldn't write for some reason... even with the same perms
it seemed pretty straight forward to use, just a little involved for the setup/accounts management
but again, just a little. I played with it one day and didn't revisit after i failed to get it complete end-to-end functioning after a few hours. I was super close though. I'm sure i just missed something dumb
even got the exception in for a nice .p4ignore file.... although it seemed odd that filename has to be set per client
half turtle
kind of curious how difficult it will be to transition from ue4 to ue5, also what other under the hood changes will be done, will we get float64 for actor positions?
easy multiplayer world rebasing?
wise lagoon
dude in this tech demo presentation just said the lines between film and games is about to blur and the industries are going to merge in the not-so-distant futre
interesting statement
half turtle
well look at the mandalorian
half turtle
and engines like unreal in particular, are reaching graphic levels that are movie CGI level often in realtime
half turtle
add to that, AMD forcing everything to finally switch to multithreading fully, and computer performance is literally mutiplying
next badger
@wise lagoon meanwhile some people making pixel art games on pico-8
half turtle
well my current project is an RPG arcade space shooter with a topdown view... so yeah >.>
wise lagoon
his point was if movie studios keep picking up unreal to do their movies, then the skillsets are going to merge and allow for the blurring to occur
half turtle
but ... the project is being worked in such a way that turning it into a full space sim is essentially a boolean toggle
and moving the camera to a different position
next badger
not sure how character art will be affected...can characters be 20billions of triangles?
half turtle
but that lumen feature is what has me hyped the most...
wise lagoon
yeah, they literally said in this tech demo that artists will no longer have to think about triangles
triangles won't matter anymore
half turtle
isnt it essentally voxel art again if triangles are pixel sized?
wise lagoon
sounds fair lol
half turtle
so... are we back to voxel space engine after 30 years? O_O wait who bought novalogic...
wise lagoon
i'm out of my depths lol
half turtle
nvm i am just being old and remembering old stuff
wise lagoon
my depths are a puddle
next badger
@half turtle UE5 will have Delta Force performance?
half turtle
i mean ... relatively wise.. maybe? the main attraction of delta force was how big the scenario was back then
UE5 seems to be essentially achieving the same, getting rid of hard poly limits and adding a light system that allows for much bigger illumination seems to point towards bigger scenarios
and it just so happens the lightning system feature might be exactly what i need to further improve my game
(that and float64 for actor position and movement god please)
wise lagoon
they said that statue in the tech demo had 30 million triangles and the next scene where they had a ton of the statues they said had over 16 BILLION triangles from the statues alone
all being dynamically lit in real time
just absolutely insane
elfin stream
Nanite is voodoo
wise lagoon
agreed
elfin stream
re-watching the demo on my computer, only saw it on the phone earlier. its insane
wise lagoon
man, i wonder how much press tech demo today will generate for Unreal Engine that wouldn't have previously been given had the console makers actually shown off real gameplay already
elfin stream
Im curious about how difficult it will be to migrate from UE4 to UE5
Could concentrate on gameplay with placeholder assets till we can start working with UE5.
ruby folio
From the blog post they say it will be forward compatible much like we have now
elfin stream
k
I'm assuming everything in UE4 is included in 5 like niagra and the new sky and such.
misty owl
I'm trying to create some levels that look like environments in the Blame! anime. What's the proper way to do mega-huge scale levels? I have some bsp boxes that are stretched to 100,000 x 100,000 units for walls, but replacing that with static meshes feels like it'll be resource intensive?
plush yew
When you move the install folder of unreal engine, how can you tell epic games launcher where the install is?
thin tendon
@misty owl Think about levels like your brain. The more you have going on the harder it is to focus. Its the same for your levels. You want it to always have the smallest amount loaded and showing as possible.
plush yew
I am on windows
wise lagoon
oh
forget everything i just said
i see i read your question wrong
i do not have the answer to that one heh heh.... my bad :\
@misty owl on the technical side, have you looked into this aspect of unreal? https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/Engine/LevelStreaming/index.html
misty owl
@thin tendon right on, yeah. The playable area will be small, but I want the player to be able to look way out to the horizon, and have it feel gargantuan.
ancient lotus
@misty owl break up your walls and use LOD's
misty owl
@wise lagoon I've looked into level streaming a little, but I don't need the entire level to be playable. I'm just trying to get a feeling of huge scale, while not impacting performance. I'm going to try using some parallax effects, and maybe wind up rendering the "background" as a sort of matte painting. so the game engine doesn't need to do much lighting/shading, if any
wise lagoon
oh i see. If it's stuff the player can never get to, then yeah, @ancient lotus got the right answer
thin tendon
There are a few ways. I would do it with LOD's and HLOD. The other thing I have seen done is people replacing the skyphere image in the material.
misty owl
This is one of the scenes that I'm using as inspiration. Where you look out on the horizon, and it looks like it never ends
thin tendon
You could always just billboard some background imagery as well.
misty owl
@ancient lotus that makes total sense. Chunks of wall that are further away from the player won't impact performance as much.
Thanks for the advice, everybody. That's a great starting point!
Definitely looking into billboarding backgrounds. that's a great idea
lusty rampart
I have a spawnactor blueprint node that every time I load my project has a compilation error, but I "refresh node it" and it compiles fine. But I save it and next time I load, right back to the same error. Anyone seen that before? (4.25 and 4.24)