You might have deleted some asset and there is a bad reference to it
#ue4-general
south ridge
That's an error you got
From the log
Well clearly you do
Just go to that asset (inventory) and fix that one property - change its type to something else
That isn't the missing structure
static viper
you are very brave @south ridge
south ridge
I'm about to go to sleep ๐
south ridge
Probably, but I don't actually usually answer questions that can be solved with scrolling the console up, lol
brave lark
how come there is no networking / replication channel
static viper
its called #multiplayer
plush yew
Didn't change 4 me until I restarted discord on mobile
static viper
have you googled yet
south ridge
lol @static viper this is even beyond what I exected
brave lark
not really for multiplayer though. looking for info on dynamic downloadable content sort of like mods or workshop content
static viper
i am not even bothered anymore XD
brave lark
user made uploads
static viper
the less competition for... the more money i get.
#multiplayer is the channel where you can get cedrics multiplayer handbook
static viper
its free
south ridge
#multiplayer isn't only about multiplayer, but about technical aspects of it too
leaden dust
I know I am dumb but
I don't understand what "build" and "compile" in UE4 and VS does
static viper
building is baking
leaden dust
ummm
static viper
it generates data
static viper
compile is to be understand as mh, summary. compile creates yo binaries
navmesh or light gets baked
but can change often
while compile creates solid stuff ๐
its very close
leaden dust
I was watching a c++ tutorial
He asks to launch the engine from VS
do I have to restart the project whenever I make a change in the code?
in VS
regal mulch
UE4 has "HotReload", which basically happens if you hit the Compile button in the Editor or build in VS while the Editor is still open.
But HotReload is known to cause issues like not actually making your changes work.
We usually advice to not use it but rather close the Engine and recompile.
It goes a lot quicker if you just hit "F5", which builds the solution, compiles the code and launches the Editor attached to your VS.
"CTRL+F5" does the same without attaching it to VS
Build/Compile in VS is basically VS generating Binary files from your C++ Code.
The Editor/Game uses these instead of your "naked" cpp code.
Compile in the Editor does the same but as HotReload
Idk if there is a Build button in the Editor, but Editor/Game-wise a BUILD is meant as a packaged project.
west quarry
From (iii) General Restrictions: (2) for operation of nuclear facilities, aircraft navigation, aircraft communication systems or air traffic control machines, or for military use in connection with live combat;
Question: am I restricted to develop skynet too ?
cerulean coral
If I am remember good skynet is awsome ๐ but in lumberyard or cryengine you cannot develop zombie invasion ๐
tall pendant
ofc you're not allowed to use ue4 for such stuff. Skynet was intended for military use afterall. ๐
west quarry
I am only using it for research purposes, not for actual operation
tall pendant
better to use godot for such things ๐
west quarry
it is not specified intention in EULA, operation only
I can't now to drunk and tired and luck general unreal skills
post just error here, never know might get lucky some one will help you
uneven spoke
static viper
i am at least 8000
fathom gale
hot
static viper
you know at some point you should learn to fix your problems alone...
we cant help you constantly
static viper
you should fix 95% of your problems alone XD
but you are currently asking aways just about everything
paper kernel
then you must study
static viper
you dont need to know it all
you just need todo alot of study yes
theres alot of tutorials
even i dont know it all!
amazing i know
i cant get over it so i study more
river gazelle
Tutorials and forum topics and unreal answers galore
static viper
your problem is that you are not experienced enough with basic stuff
paper kernel
pick a tutorial and follow it
static viper
without a project XD
but still alot of your errors where easy to fix by googling...
you will do tutorials on your own for a while and not work on a game? XD
paper kernel
Look, do the tutorial
or hire a Tutor to google stuff for you
no pasting the same image doesn't help
no don't feed him
river gazelle
What are you googling that isn't getting you results about pawn possession
lime cobalt
when i'm opening an animation blueprint in the ue4 editor, the "try get pawn owner" node fails
I have to close this animation blueprint to have this node working ( when testing the game )
river gazelle
"Ue4 character doesn't move"?
paper kernel
@lime cobalt set owner manually on beginplay inside the pawn
oh wait, it's anim instance
๐ค
nvm, ofc it fails because the pawn doesn't exist in editor
lime cobalt
@paper kernel and there's no construction script available for anim instances either
paper kernel
no, best you can do is valid check on the pawn
lime cobalt
i'm doing that yeah
paper kernel
but the check will fail if game isn't running
river gazelle
Is the character possessed
paper kernel
no it's just how it works, editor has to create standalone anim instance for preview, but it's doesn't have a pawn parent so the check fails
@desert pecan there is anim initialize event tho, which happens before ticking starts
river gazelle
Delete the character and put a player start in the level
lime cobalt
@paper kernel indeed yes
west quarry
when it usually best time to ask questions when epic staff is here ?
or I be better of asking on a forum
?
paper kernel
that depends on the question
west quarry
dual licensed GPL library and Unreal EULA
paper kernel
I'd email them in that case
west quarry
to what email address ?
lilac cobalt
Anyone can help me for c++ code
lime cobalt
it does tho
quiet swift
Is this a place to talk about UT4 in general, or is it restricted to modding/developing or something?
static viper
โค
the error is read
it will not package.
it told you the file name
now dont come back until you fixed it
you are just trolling
i told you to google
it tells you exactly what is wrong
there are multiple direct threads on this
lime cobalt
changing folders might also help
place the project folder at the root of your drive
and @static viper isn't anoying but very helping
static viper
i will call the mods on you evtl...
static viper
although i highly like that i can ignore you... XD there is always someone else
lime cobalt
@static viper it might give that impression but he's not trolling I think
@plush yew place your project like D:/PRJS/YourUnrealProject
lime cobalt
to be fair sometimes i'm randomly upset and I don't know what todo about it
@static viper ok but he needs help, he's not there specifically to disturb you XD
lime cobalt
aaaah comoon ๐
lime cobalt
@plush yew pls
static viper
oh no
lime cobalt
bro pls come back okay
static viper
why did you do this
lime cobalt
why why did i do this , he's nice
no but ok, I get it; sometimes beginners questions can be quite upsetting
strange sapphire
damn it feels good to launch unreal engine
static viper
yes
release all your load
compile dat engine!
fill all de arrays
god i need to work
internet made things worse
lime cobalt
been at it since 8:AM, it's always good to take 5minutes breaks
lime cobalt
hah ๐
static viper
working in my breaks
while asleep...
walking zombie owl
i dont hoot
i mooooooan
wait
yoooooown
lime cobalt
yeah you're moaning because trying to become productive with UE4 is difficult
static viper
omg i just had a weird idea
lime cobalt
like, how are everything working ๐
static viper
what about zombie skeleton owls that yawn in idle
and attack you yawning...
like 3 m high undead owls
they are just tired and you disturb
lime cobalt
okay but the player can't kill them
lime cobalt
he tosses pillows and they sleep
static viper
no they cant sleep
lime cobalt
hah
lime cobalt
and I make matters worse by pointing every UE4 issue ๐
static viper
you at most ofc.
lime cobalt
i'm hopping that the issues can be solved if UE4 devs hear about them
to be fair, UE4 has a lot of good sides once the bad sides are mitigated
sorry I do have to get back to it tho
fathom gale
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/Users/Datboi/Desktop/Python/Opengl/main.py", line 73, in <module>
main()
File "/Users/Datboi/Desktop/Python/Opengl/main.py", line 45, in main
shader = OpenGL.GL.shaders.compileProgram(OpenGL.GL.shaders.compileShader(vertex_shader, GL_VERTEX_SHADER),
File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.7/lib/python3.7/site-packages/OpenGL/GL/shaders.py", line 226, in compileShader
shaderType,
RuntimeError: ('Shader compile failure (0): b"ERROR: 0:2: \'\' : version \'400\' is not supported\\n"', [b'\n #version 400\n in vec3 position;\n\n void main()\n {\n gl_Position = vec4(position, 1.0);\n }\n\n '], GL_VERTEX_SHADER)
this is so sad
alexa
order me a rope
lime cobalt
@plush yew there has to be another red message in this list, you need to clear your console before compiling, retry the compiling process and find all the error messages
ERROR: Cook failed isn't the actual error, there's another error pointing to a specific problem in that compile log
also, you can read " failed to compile a material " in the logs, so you need to check your materials to see if they compile correctly
you need to become more fluent with UE4 tho ...
i will not be able to babysit you with every step
also, I didn't mean compile ( sorry ) I meant package
you can obviously find the log in the output log
if you want to package yes
but don't forget to clear the output log
@plush yew clear the output log and retry the packaging process to be sure this error isn't from the previous packaging
right click in the output log, clear the output log
yes, now the log is cleared you can restart the packaging
@plush yew you seriously need to become more proactive and more autonomous bro, it's gonna come with practice
ok let's see those errors
it looks like your gamemode is parented to the wrong superclass
when I look at the error you pointed out
ok let's wait for the error then
you're trying to compile the kite demo ??
from UE4 samples ?
maybe it's outdated and not currently working with the latest UE
but is it the kite demo, or a project of yours ?
dim arch
is there some way to hotkey windows in ue4
lime cobalt
because if so, you can google " kite demo not packaging UE4 4.18 , 19 etc "
@dim arch yes in the editor preferences and it's very useful
dim arch
for example if I press ctrl+1 it would open a BP graph and focus on a node
alright, Ill try ut out
lime cobalt
@dim arch In editor preferences General / keyboard shortcuts
dim arch
it can open/focus a window?
lime cobalt
@plush yew no I don't know where the errors are from
@dim arch you'll have to try and find out
pallid compass
That error means
u have something basically at 0 scale
like
0.00000023
sort of pointing float range bullshit
lime cobalt
interesting, but does this error makes the project fail ?
lime cobalt
@plush yew no again, find the actual error , not the "error compile failed "
lime cobalt
and yeah, solving the warnings
dim arch
it has an 'open favourite file' binding, just need to find how to set the file
pallid compass
working fine in editor != working fine shipped
Fix the first error
Something has too small scale
it also tells you what it is.
lime cobalt
actually I might be able to pause this if other peoples can help too
@plush yew see what you can fix for yourself and come back if / when you need more halp
@plush yew feel free to ping more ppls if they can halp
plush yew
lol hang on, didn't you get banned before?
lime cobalt
@plush yew also, you need to check for the "gamemode" parent class error, if it's still there and what's the parent class of your gamemode
so weird this gamemode error...
there's no need for random feuds
just ignore the guys asking for conflict and it's fine
this is a #ue4-general where ppls are talking about unreal gamedev, you're talking about unreal gamedev, everything is fine
@plush yew what I do to avoid such problems is that I regularly package my projects and debug the errors there
that works for gamejams too, it's a known advice to regularly package the games to spot all the errors showing up on the packaging process
this is why you need to package to see the "package-only" errors yes....
no tho ๐ you focus on fixing them ๐
no, that's a code error
for fuck sake @plush yew try to screencap the whole error ๐
the whole message isn't screencaped
If i recall , this is because the structure needs to have a custom GUID generator function for serializing, or something like that
but i'm not too sure
plush yew
It's been months since you got banned and ya still haven't learned anything
lime cobalt
@plush yew you'd need to look for ustructs in the UE4 sourcecode and see how they're implemented
@plush yew all those errors are non-beginner friendly, UE4 is a clunky mess for beginners
in some engines, you just declare a damn struct in the code and it compiles and ships
with UE4 ? nooo... of course not
@plush yew Also, it means you might have a random " custom inventory " asset with specific code
and probably this code was made for an older version of UE4
@plush yew you're not good enough at reading english
@plush yew you need to improve on that my friend
@plush yew I just told you how: you'd need to look for ustructs in the UE4 sourcecode and see how they're implemented
actually my advice isn't very helpful ๐ฆ
plush yew
I wasn't commenting on his errors, just his inability to learn
lime cobalt
@plush yew what if he's young and getting started ?
it's hard for a beginner to solve these errors
plush yew
He's not just getting started. He was in here ages ago and got banned
And also expecting to be spoonfed as he is now
lime cobalt
that's not the point of the convo ...
@plush yew I can spoonfeed you as well if you need and If i can btw
i'm far from knowing everything at UE4 tho
plush yew
It's OK I can feed myself
lime cobalt
I understand this might feel anoying especially if you had to learn everything by yourself
I do have a very variable patience gauge myself :/
@plush yew do you have a visual studio project file in your unreal project folder ? if so can you open it ?
you need to find the struct in the c++ files ( unless it's from a plugin an then it can be in two different folders )
@plush yew don't answer to him, he's cool you're cool, no need to feed conflicts
@plush yew that struct having the error, you remember it do you ?
you need to find the .cpp or the .h file where it is
@plush yew I was thinking that perhaps you'd be more comfortable with Unity and Godot
because there wouldn't be all this packaging bullshit
i told you what to do
sure, but yeah, UE4 is like this for now sadly
@plush yew so, that struct, did you find it ?
you know how to search for a keyword in visual studio do you ?
regal mulch
Blueprint Struct?
lime cobalt
also, this isn't the structure error I was thinking of
wild marsh
Hey people, probably stupid and super simple question but if I go to run two clients in separate windows, how do I switch to using the second client? alt tabbing keeps the input on the first one
regal mulch
Looks pretty much like a broken Struct
lime cobalt
@regal mulch perhaps it's a blueprint struct but why wouldn't it display the error in the blueprint graphs ?
regal mulch
@wild marsh In Editor?
wild marsh
yeah
lime cobalt
@regal mulch ๐
regal mulch
They tend to break if you modify them often enough
It clearly hints at the Inventory
"Property inventory of inventory has a structtype mismatch"
lime cobalt
@plush yew can you open the struct and enum and edit them ?
wild marsh
shift+F1 causes the mouse cursor to flicker visible and then disappear instantly again
regal mulch
@wild marsh You are setting Input Mode on tick or something like that?
@plush yew Then try to clear them up
It's the Inventory struct varabiable in your inventory
wild marsh
ah yeah I am
lime cobalt
if they're not used anywhere, perhaps
but you have to be sure they're not used anywhere ๐ฆ
regal mulch
It will show him if it's used
lime cobalt
@regal mulch I've also never encountered this error so I wouldn't be able to tell
Tag FallbackStruct !=prop_Inventory... does it means he references this structure in his inventory
but instead of pointing to the actual structure in the content folder, it's pointing to a structure that isn't there ?
lime cobalt
@regal mulch yups
@plush yew just to be sure, how much is your complete project folder and can you back it up before deleting the struct ?
if it's not just a random test, i'd do a backup of the whole project tho yeah
because corrupted blueprints
@plush yew okies cool ๐
@regal mulch I'm glad I never had too much issues with them, but it's great to know
@plush yew yeah I have several .rar files of my project
regal mulch
Yeah, we put Structs into C++, even in BP "only" projects
Also wtf, stop making backups like that
Get yourself Perforce
lime cobalt
@regal mulch ๐
@regal mulch I'm prolly going to use subversion because
I had to re-install p4 helix
regal mulch
Whatever you want, but don't just zip up the project lol
lime cobalt
and now it doesn't want to connect because of a P4PORT error
so I can't use perforce ( that's kind of "my fault " in this case, altrough it's very tricky to debug )
@regal mulch those rar files are 5 to 11 go now, looks like i'll have to use version controls
@plush yew welcome to UE4 gamedev yes
lime cobalt
@plush yew well delete and redo the inventory from scratch yes
you deleted the structure but the inventory used that structure so of course it's not going to work
nooo ๐ฆ
@plush yew in the project where you deleted the structure, delete the inventory as well and re create the inventory from scratch
@plush yew i'm always calm
but i sometimes say " noo ๐ฆ " "omg no ffs" , but i'm still calm when I say that ๐
@plush yew recreate it means create a blank blueprint, add all the structs you want in that blueprint until it makes the inventory
redo it from scratch, rebuild it
yes
cerulean coral
lol
lime cobalt
scratch means nothing
tall pendant
from the start man, from the start
cerulean coral
I mast do it one more time
lime cobalt
start from an empty blueprint, re-add everything to this empty blueprint
@tall pendant exactly yup
@cerulean coral ๐
exactly
no because if you don't add the structure in the inventory it will not want the structure
(he/she/etc, sorry )
cerulean coral
I would first ask: @plush yew did you do this inventroy alone, used some tutorials or you downloaded the project?
lime cobalt
both i'd say
tall pendant
sounds like someone is copying & pasting stuff he/she/whatever didn't do by themselves.
cerulean coral
@plush yew ok so you must recreate you work
tall pendant
doubt it.
cerulean coral
@tall pendant cruel one ๐
lime cobalt
@plush yew you should watch and read more tutorials on blueprints
well it's your life you're in control, you decide
what's the next thing you need to do for your game ? that can help choosing what tutorial to watch
cerulean coral
and you should think who you want to be: dev, 3d artist, 2d arstist, I do not think you will have time to be one man army
lime cobalt
indeed, good advice there ^
lean yacht
hey
I need some help
there are job postings, but how do I find their discord profile?
grim ore
at the bottom of everyone is his how to apply and it should have their Discord profile name is just have to manually type it in to talk to them
lime cobalt
@plush yew you created the inventory widget, you know how to recreate it
@plush yew if you don't know, then please watch beginner documentation on blueprints
lean yacht
but it doesnt have the numbers?
grim ore
Some do some don't some have alternate contact information. most of the ones without numbers show the icon so when you're searching for that person it just cord look for the icon. The staff knows this is a problem and hopefully will fix it
lean yacht
anyone here good in C++
lol
just desperately seeking to expand our team ๐
Unreal is kinda a bitch when it comes to Physics netcode
so thats why I asked
clever pond
#looking-for-talent is great for that
plush yew
general question regarding unreal..sometimes it just randomly starts taking forever to compile a Windows client. like it stays around 10 minutes on every single file/module it compiles. and it does it randomly. i tried "studying" what could potentially trigger this thing, but i wasn't able to replicate it. deleting the saved&intermediate folders does not do anything, recompiling the engine doesn't do anything either, restarting my computer doesn't do anything either...and when ue wants to do it i can't do anything but let my computer run for half a day with seemingly no reason. my project is on my HDD, UE4 Source is on my SSD and i'm packaging on the SSD. am I doing something wrong? it's kinda annoying. anyone else having this issue?
manic pawn
triangle
manic pawn
now enable hard mode and make a triangle with vulkan
fathom gale
rofl
guess wat
i cant install vulkan
i tried
i dont have the latest mac
but i did just make a cube
which is an epic w
@manic pawn
manic pawn
box
manic pawn
but that's just one flag with opengl ๐ค
manic pawn
challenge: make anti aliased wireframe in unreal without going insane
lime cobalt
@manic pawn btw, randomly asking but, do you know if it's doable to write random things in a render target, and then display it ?
like, a 2d game using GLSL rendered in a UE4 render target and then displayed on screen
static viper
with a material it is
lime cobalt
omg that's awesome
static viper
you can switch out the render target with a material
that material would have random stuff
lime cobalt
yeah with a custom node ?
static viper
and then you switch back to render target if wanted
no
render targets alone dont work
lime cobalt
ah
static viper
you apply them on materials and stuff
manic pawn
that's doable but why ask me specifically, I never did something like that lol
static viper
there you can do stuff
lime cobalt
@manic pawn no reason in particular ๐ sorry for the inconvenience if any
@manic pawn that's a cool topic tho ๐
manic pawn
if you want to bring something drawn with gl into unreal maybe something like an external texture would make more sense
lime cobalt
@static viper gonna try that, this sounds great
@manic pawn yeah that too indeed, from c++ to a texture or something
static viper
you should play my game XD
lime cobalt
sure ๐ i've got some time today
the game with lasors and self exploding barrels isn't it ?
lime cobalt
the game with zombie owls ?
static viper
it gives a bit of sight what todo with render targets
it is like 10 minutes long
and sadly german
but one doesnt need a translator to play it
its super easy
lime cobalt
okies, i'll download it later
lime cobalt
it's always fun to make small games ๐
static viper
this wasnt fun XD
lime cobalt
hah yes because you guys were learning how to UE4 ๐
static viper
it was more like, the amount of skill i had was so much that i vaporized my team...
and then i was away for some time
and everything went to shit XD
i shouldve prepared them more
and less bragging
lime cobalt
hah ๐ the more we know
the thing is, in some contexts it's kind of hard to say " I cannot do this or we need to learn how to do that "
because there's an expectation of being awesome and knowing everything
so asking for help is seen as a sign of weakness
even tho it's not
torn herald
UE4 can be really hard in a team when only some members are experienced and the others have zero knowledge on it. It can be challenging getting them up to speed.
lime cobalt
yeah, I never experienced that but it seems like so
static viper
i underrestimated the social part in all of that...
lunch breaks
sleepy times...
personal issues...
were not machines
so plans dont work on quantity
i underrestimated my reaction to people the most... XD
at first glance of failure i started behaving weird
lime cobalt
hah yes it's a common thing to do
polar hawk
started behaving weird
torn herald
I remember my uni game project, our team had struggled with a bit and the lead up to review day had given a preliminary grade of like 60+, then in the next two weeks we all came together to smash it. Ended up getting 75-85% and winning two awards for it (just in the local competition)
plush yew
Learn how to fall and get back up.
https://youtu.be/DYi6LDvtjTo
lime cobalt
we don't value failure in education, we even shame it... so wrong
torn herald
I just downloaded your game, it looks really nice
static viper
and next time it will be a joined effort..
thanks
the library is having texture time tho...
very flatty
lime cobalt
also, it's great if the students are okay now and there's no ressentment
live and learn etc
torn herald
what was your team breakdown? even split between programmers and artists?
static viper
i coded, and sorta lead
one gamedesigner
2 3d
2 texture
one manager
5 peole
lime cobalt
one lead and one manager ๐
static viper
but as i failed 2 of my peole had risen
lime cobalt
also not everyone was coding blueprints and complex UE4 things so it could've been worse
static viper
i feel like i gave them the best learning exp ever
plush yew
Why do you need a manager, a designer and a lead?
static viper
they grew so strong
oh we failed hermit...
i failed
XD
it was doomed from the start
torn herald
I feel like I could do this game if I could read german? I think I need to light a fire
torn herald
Ahh I see! I ran past that...
lime cobalt
@plush yew i mean, i don't even start a project without 20 executive producers and 40 brand managers
static viper
you ran past that bc i am stupid.
plush yew
XD
lime cobalt
universities creating students teams ๐
the thing is, peoples should have been able to help the team too ( not blaming anyone, just saying )
plush yew
I just don't have much love I guess for managers.
torn herald
Our project had the theme of disability! Like it is really tricky to be respectful and still make a really interesting game
lime cobalt
@plush yew I need to get a job so I love managers because they give the objectives and I want to collaborate to tell the story(tm)
torn herald
Like first off people wanted to make the disability into a handicap in the game rather than empowerment which isn' exactly what was needed
lime cobalt
@torn herald yeah that too, uni projects with random themes
how about letting students design a game based on what they want in their portfolios
sand birch
hey guys I just firgured out that you can import world geography locations in unreal engine, what location do you think i should import though I cant decide on an interesting loctaion
i know it wont import a whole city
but what place should i base the map off of, also I might later edit the map so that the sea level is higher due to no more polar ice caps
torn herald
@lime cobalt our game project was like 4 programmers + 5 artists which let us do a bigger game. But bigger is not better, especially when some people have never used UE4.
lime cobalt
@torn herald yeah altrough that project has chances to be cool to work on
static viper
i never will understand how many coder can work on one projects XD
torn herald
On a programming level it let us do some cool things with artists (no more programmer art)
lime cobalt
that's the good news: there's always awesome things to code in a game ๐
sand birch
i know this should probably go in game design but no one is ever there
lime cobalt
and yes, at least a lead is important
torn herald
we did like nominate one of our programmers do be a lead but it was a very unofficial thing. It was more like putting them as lead to be sure we can settle decisions.
but only two of us had ue4 experience (of the 4)
static viper
i will never do it that way XD
luckily i am the coder
so once i started out i will decide XD
torn herald
also we use git and heavily pushed our work in to the components and away from blueprints. BP was just an easy property modification thing
sand birch
maybe a place that is not as populated so that I can really change where the buildings are because it is set a little in the future so of course people might make more cities in other places as more are needed
lime cobalt
omg also @static viper you're coder so that means you code with UE4C++ ?
static viper
i dont need c++ so often tho...
lime cobalt
@sand birch sorry can you re-ask the question pls ?
torn herald
we didn't dare change the source, no way we could support everyone. We just forced everyone to work on the same binary version, e.g 4.15
lime cobalt
@static viper ok so you're mostly using BPS ?
@torn herald even without changing the source, working with UE4 c++ has a steep learning curve
torn herald
Oh yeah I know it
polar hawk
is super easy
lime cobalt
hah yes, because BPS are much better in terms of usability ๐
polar hawk
easy squeezy
static viper
no
sand birch
@lime cobalt I don't know where and what real world location I should import into unreal engine i know this is more matter of opinion but yeah. also a place where you can see how the ocean levels have rised would be cool becasue in this game they are non existent
lime cobalt
@polar hawk maybe because you're experienced with cpp, but It wasn't for me
static viper
i go to c++
lime cobalt
also depends of watcha want todo with UE4cpp
polar hawk
i have 40 years of experience and im only 27
static viper
olde
torn herald
bp are easy to work with UNTIL you have to put a lot of stuff into it or need to refactor then you're in trouble. Much easier to do the c++ and then make a derived bp version and expose functionality
in my opinion**
static viper
well in all these years i didnt stumbl on anything i couldnt solve in bps
lime cobalt
@sand birch any place near the sea, and it's up to you, how and what you want your game to be
lime cobalt
@polar hawk yes because you're Allar and you're the only one to keep up with the Kardashians, but still
also, getting started with UE4c++ is indeed easy, and doing simple things with it is fine
it's just that it can be time consuming to search all the functions in the source and put them together
frosty bloom
^ No Sir
lime cobalt
@frosty bloom for me it was, it might be project dependant
but it's fine to disagree I mean
I just remember searching for the line trace function in c++ ...
static viper
you wont find anyone here to tell you whats exactly right XD
if it works
then it works.
lime cobalt
indeed ๐
static viper
you can fix it later.
frosty bloom
GetWorld() has linetrace, I believe KismetSystemLibary also has a version
static viper
people are obsessed with details and never get shit done...
torn herald
oh yeah sometimes navigating the source for ue4 to find what you are looking for can be a nightmare... generally gotten better with it but still
*much easier when I installed VA... not an Advert
frosty bloom
Top of my head
static viper
getting shit done is very important
lime cobalt
@frosty bloom and a beginner has to find that without knowing anything ๐
I use the KismetSystemLIbrary linetrace indeed
there's no table of " how to find that BP function in C++ " that I know of
@frosty bloom also I'm curious, what's your average delay to have the UE4 project compiled ?
frosty bloom
Give me 10 seconds and ill find out
lime cobalt
mine is usually 30 to 40seconds, I find it horrible
frosty bloom
Build or rebuild?
lime cobalt
i'd say rebuild ?
polar hawk
all bp functions have a target
frosty bloom
Either way, beginners should learn to use F12 if they wanna see how something is implemented. They should read docs if they are clueless about pre made functionalities.
lime cobalt
I do use VAX and occurence finding yes
@polar hawk depending of the context of the c++ code, not every function is accessible , UKismetSystemLibrary is tho ( if i recall correctly )
polar hawk
what bp function isn't accessible in c++
lime cobalt
let's say that you have a UClass that doesn't have access to Uworld and isn't child of AActor
or that you need to find what module to include
polar hawk
when do you have that situation in bp
lime cobalt
In c++, I had that situation several times
lime cobalt
I was talking about how un-easy Ue4 c++ might be at first
polar hawk
thats just a completely different situation
lime cobalt
yeah it's always possible in cpp but it's not obvious
there's a need to search for the functions, sometimes include the right modules, etc etc
polar hawk
but there isn't a case you can do something in bp but not in c++
lime cobalt
yeah perhaps "cannot' wasn't the right wording
"cannot instantly do with UE4c++" might have been better
now i'm much better with UE4 c++ tho
because I kind of know how to search and find things
frosty bloom
You do know that Blueprint classes will generate a metric ton of headers when you call pre made functions right?
torn herald
I remember our first ue4 game jam, our goal was to learn to use the engine and write c++ in it. The c++ we made was quite bare (like adjusting speed of a character), in the end most of the game jam was spent learning the editor and doing bp's.
lime cobalt
yes but again, because c++ is object oriented, it might or might not be easy to access the functions used by the blueprints
polar hawk
what function isn't easily callable in the same situation
lime cobalt
so it ends up being like, finding someModule.cs, adding the right .h in both .h and .cpp files ( forward declaration warning )
polar hawk
you look it up
you call it
unless you're calling into a bp, all bp functions are by definition easily C++ callable
lime cobalt
@polar hawk " what car isn't easy to drive, you turn it on your drive it " yeah, except there's a process of learning how to
frosty bloom
Isn't that true for Blueprint too?
polar hawk
lmao
frosty bloom
Not like BP will give you finished projects when you insert your idea
lime cobalt
it's easier for blueprints because there's autocompletition, no need for includes or dependencies
polar hawk
but there is auto complete in my C++
lime cobalt
there's also more tutorials available specifically for blueprints
lime cobalt
@polar hawk that's right , and once the dependencies and context problems it starts being cool
polar hawk
what
lime cobalt
@polar hawk that's right , and once the dependencies and context problems are solved it starts being cool
polar hawk
what problems are to solve
lime cobalt
finding what module and .h file to include to call the function
and making sure the function can be called in the context where we want it to be called
polar hawk
but we both just agreed that it can be auto added
so like
yeah
and calling a function where you want to is the same in c++ or in bp
thats just... programming
lime cobalt
i'm sorry but at which point did I agree it could be auto added in c++ ?
because It can't , it needs to be manually added with c++
torn herald
@polar hawk he's saying once you know what to include and how to get the function you want to use it is good. Their argument is bp's are much easier to use from a beginner perspective.
What auto add's the headers, unless you are using a third party plugin like VA?
polar hawk
I can literally right click an known but currently undefined symbol and have vs add the include line for me
aye, always vax
lime cobalt
polar hawk
and even then
you know what header to include
because you know what class defines the function you're calling
its not like they don't match
polar hawk
thats like saying learning how to connect wires cost you time
lime cobalt
no it's not, it was much more complex
lime cobalt
I had to look at the landscape code to figure out how to do linetraces
torn herald
Things take time to learn I literally don't understand the argument. Both bp's and cpp require learning.
polar hawk
no, clearly bp doesn't require time
lime cobalt
@polar hawk not learn anything no, but learn something that's efficient and easy to use ( like unity c# )
polar hawk
what
lime cobalt
@polar hawk it requires much less times because more docs and tutorials are available
torn herald
I'd say bp require less time, there is a reason it is used by designers and people who don't use c++ because it is accessible and easier to understand for those who do not program
torn herald
*still does require time though
plush yew
The logic of Blueprints is a bit weird.
plush yew
I find C++ to be more intuitive than BP lmao
frosty bloom
It requires knowledge of programming to do BP too, unless you are copying tutorials in which case you won't ever get a finished product anyhow
polar hawk
its okay, apparently no tutorials exist
torn herald
I personally use c++ for everything and then expose the c++ to blueprints so I can change things like properties without recompiling
frosty bloom
Searching: UE4 C++ Tutorial - Google explodes
lime cobalt
with bps, you don't have to worry about forward declaration , module includes , it won't crash if null pointers
polar hawk
bp will absolutely crash on a null
torn herald
^ it will still crash
polar hawk
and you're more likely to fuck your dependency graph in bp than C++
but
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
lime cobalt
@polar hawk okay, show me where you need to manage dependencies in blueprints
frosty bloom
In my biggest project I have included like 6 modules on my own, with hundreds of C++ classes. You make it sound like each class has a unique module requirement
lime cobalt
@polar hawk or what kind of thing did you do to crash UE4 with blueprints null refs ๐
polar hawk
every cast creates a hard reference that forces all connected classes to be loaded
try shipping a game
and then trying to solve memory issues
in bp its a nightmare
lime cobalt
but it won't crash
polar hawk
and there are many gameplay reasons something will go null
lime cobalt
or maybe it did crash for you ( and i'm sorry about that ) but I have a lot of casts and never had any cast related crash
torn herald
I would generally say to avoid doing everything in bp for the sole reason it is hard to edit/change easily. Also more likely you can break something and be unable to fix it as you can't get into the editor.
polar hawk
I feel like if you haven't had a bp crash yet, you haven't spent enough time in bp :p
lime cobalt
@polar hawk true that, It lead me to do a lot of IsValid defensive things, which i'd love not to do
torn herald
yeah if you are casting you are probably safe because if the cast fails, IE it is null you won't attempt to dereference the null pointer.
lime cobalt
@polar hawk can you show me how to crash UE4 with bps please ? ๐
I understand it crashed for you, and I respect that
but seriously, I've never seen bps crashing UE4, maybe with bad for-loop code
frosty bloom
Create an infinite loop
polar hawk
lmao
frosty bloom
case closed
lime cobalt
ok, so I pointed out the infinite loops... but for me it was easy to avoid
sand birch
so guys a friend game me a great idea on where to make the first map for the game, as there will be a couple to chose from, Death Valley
lime cobalt
It's great that everyone has different experiences and all that
polar hawk
when I get a bp crash, I generally submit an engine pr fix so that it doesn't crash anymore
frosty bloom
So many contradictions...
lime cobalt
but yeah, for me UE4 c++ was a bit rough
polar hawk
feel free to pull up my answerhub profile / git profile to see a list of bp crashes
torn herald
That is some dedication
lime cobalt
@polar hawk heh, maybe it's thanks to you that i have no crashes ๐
thanks for that then, it's super appreciated ๐
plush yew
Do you guys comment your code in the video games industry? or not at all?
polar hawk
yes
torn herald
absolutely yes
lime cobalt
yes
polar hawk
I'd go out of business if I didn't
frosty bloom
No 
torn herald
^ l33t cod3r over here has it all memorised ๐
lime cobalt
@frosty bloom but honestly, with everything I said, if UE4c++ starts to compile faster than 5seconds, i'll continue using it
polar hawk
you don't need to debug it if you write it right the first time
plush yew
Im working at a small company (not game related) and they don't comment at all.
And Im so lost, trying to learn and figure out what the F their app is doing.
lime cobalt
( I understand that peoples might not care about that tho ๐ )
polar hawk
do you test every single character edit you do?
lime cobalt
@polar hawk maybe I test too much yeah
torn herald
@plush yew I'll be honest that's pretty bad. If the functions are named correctly it is fine not to use comments (as long as what is happening makes sense) but sometimes somethings need comments, especially if someone else has to go maintain it later
polar hawk
also if you really are against it you can dig into things like fast build or xge or etc and you can set up some compiler configs and blah blah blah
lime cobalt
@plush yew @torn herald yes this is bad
@polar hawk i'd love to ask you so much questions about that but i'd become way too anoying
plush yew
Like Im an intern, some of the code they used is fairly advanced for me. Everyone on the team is busy working on something, they don't really have time to teach me how their app work and they didn't comment the code at all either LMAO. So Im like.. what is the point of hiring interns?
polar hawk
thats a shitty but standard situation
torn herald
Usually they slowly introduce you to their code and have you doing small tasks, to build you up. But it's is pretty bad if there is no on-boarding for you to get into the code.
lime cobalt
@polar hawk I've been vaguely looking into things like incredibuild before, but it needed more $
polar hawk
fastbuild and others don't
and there are whole hot reload alternatives
all kinds of tools being made by all kinds of people
lime cobalt
@plush yew you know that reminds me what they were doing in the japanese studios in the 80s 90s, there were rivalries between programmers, they would change their code when one was alseep and whatnot
plush yew
loll
lime cobalt
@polar hawk okay cool i'm gonna look into that
@plush yew it's bad to do that tho, for realz
it's like hiring peoples and stopping them from making stuff for the company
plush yew
In school, we used to start from scratch a build small apps. It`s so different from starting on a big app that already exists and wasn't commented.
polar hawk
its pretty standard to train interns by fire, especially if the'yre unpaid students
lime cobalt
@polar hawk yeah i'm gonna goodles all this things
plush yew
yeah Im unpaid...
polar hawk
its a terrible practice, but
lime cobalt
it's okay a little bit let's say
torn herald
@plush yew honestly I prefer working on existing application than scratch. If it scratch there is a lot to do, and chances are you might focus on insignificant pieces to the app. It is usually better to improve and iterate on the existing app.
plush yew
i guess that explains why my boss asked me if I was persistent in solving problems
lmao
lime cobalt
but everything is bad in excess ๐
polar hawk
no, its not good at all
engineers learn best when they are part of a team and not outside it
lime cobalt
@polar hawk @plush yew we could talk about all the " startup entrepreneur" bullshit going on yeah
torn herald
@plush yew That is just alarm bells for lots of bugs ๐
lime cobalt
@plush yew you should ask him with your deadpool mask " I don't know asshole, are you persistent in crippling your codebase with no comments or good function names ? "
polar hawk
a team of 200 paid people who are slated for every work hour literally can not help an unpaid person grow
lime cobalt
@polar hawk yeah but it's fine, that's why there's comments and the desire to self learn
polar hawk
its not uncommon for the people writing the code to not know enough to even leave accurate comments
especially if they're rushing/crunching something
torn herald
I still remember a bug coming in from some outsourced experience programmers in india that were working on a c++ project. They reported a delete function as not working when their delete function made specific api calls. Their function took in the object by COPY not reference! ๐คฆ
polar hawk
especially especially in enterprise / non-game code
plush yew
I'm basically doing the internship to see if it's worth going for a programming career or if I should stick to game/level design. A programming job would leave me more options to work anywhere, instead of just in cities where game studios are.
lime cobalt
/* @NOTE: this is bad pls don't do it thx @TODO : add that everywhere */void * asdasdasdasd ( argStruct * arg[] ) { return *arg[]>>0xfff; }
torn herald
just stick with programming imo. If you want to go into games industry, those companies will still take programmers not from a games centric course. While game design courses are more limiting and much harder to get into industry with.
polar hawk
you can be a shit programmer and slide into a job
its a lot harder to be a shit designer sliding into a job
torn herald
blunt but true
lime cobalt
@polar hawk how to get a job when you're a ""shit programmer"" tho , just for the sake of the argument
polar hawk
be good at interviews
lime cobalt
that''s interesting as an advice , then I guess it's up to the recruiter to be a good programmer
torn herald
you really don't need a recruiter....
polar hawk
if a recruiter is involved
you are defintiely more likely to be a shit programmer sliding into a shit job
bonus points for linkedin recruiter
lime cobalt
also, my goal isn't to be a shit programmer, but to become a good programmer and find a job
@polar hawk hah yeah ๐
polar hawk
being a shit programmer and getting a job is a far faster way of being a good programmer than not
lime cobalt
yeah, and hopefully it's always possible to fix shit code for everyone
torn herald
Experience
plush yew
I'm definitely a shit programmer right now lmao who has a lot to learn.
polar hawk
experience is what lets you know whether its worth fixing
lime cobalt
hah yes
plush yew
But I don`t think many designers in the industry are great lmao
polar hawk
if they're employed
plush yew
The process to hire designers is the worst
polar hawk
they're an order of magnitude or more better than most
lime cobalt
it seems complex to design games these days tho
polar hawk
its really easy to be a useless designer
who adds zero value to a company
and thus getting let go
lime cobalt
lootbox analytics designer
altrough i've met someone who had this job and he was a great guy
he was trapped in that position sadly
torn herald
What do you call a group of designers... an indecision (a joke I heard)
plush yew
LOL
torn herald
it is hard to get a solid choice
polar hawk
if you can do backend game design you'll be more likely to be picked up as a designer in general
plush yew
The fact we have UX designers now shows really clearly that this industry doesn't know what it`s doing in the design department.
polar hawk
but if you only do backend game design, you're gonna have a problem even finding job openings
easiest way to get employed regardless is to make cool shit
plush yew
yeah
polar hawk
shipping something is infinitely better than never having shipped anything
lime cobalt
also what's backend game design ?
torn herald
A lot of designers I know got their positions from moving from other roles. E.G engineering, or some prior experience related to design but not necessarily game design.
lime cobalt
is it the lootboxes and analytics and all that ?
lime cobalt
haha , okies
polar hawk
balancing a skill tree for example requires a ton of backend knowledge
to do it effectively
lime cobalt
it needs having tested the game a lot and other skill tree games ?
polar hawk
it needs a good designer
lime cobalt
yup
latent moth
All, when I disable Use controller rotation yaw, why is my character still going in the direction the camera is facing and I can still change the yaw? I'm trying to achieve free look
torn herald
the character movement code probably uses the view vector for direction in some way. If it is third person movement code it probably is setup with the expectation the camera is locked
latent moth
hum
all the tutorials out there on free look just don't work
The closest thing I got is to set Use controller rotation yaw which at least lets me move the camera around freely, however when I press Forward the character will go in the direction of the camera, not the forward axis
polar hawk
does your forward input code make your character go forward in the direction of the camera?
:p
latent moth
no ๐
polar hawk
bye
latent moth
(i'm gone already)
high stone
I've made a horrible mistake buying 3 PCs. Cleaning out all the dust will be a nightmare.
Anyone have any kind of special secret for reducing dust build up?
viral wolf
Anyone who uses gamesparks with unreal engine? I need to know how to add a proper character customization. Now if I change my own mesh, the same mesh will be applied on everybody else for my screen
grim ore
dont put the machines on the ground, put them on the desk. blow them out daily with the fans locked down so they don't spin. Seal the room with airtight seals and use suits, see a clean room for more info
viral wolf
Just clean your pc frequently, don't smoke in the same room if you usually do.
grave nebula
Arrange proper forced ventilation in your appt. Then you will only have to worry about filter there.
high stone
Rooms are pretty clean. I dust out the PCs every 6-9 months. Is that normal?
Apartment? I'm in a house. Can't imagine people having that kind of room otherwise.
grave nebula
I haven't cleaned the case ever since assembling ventilation.
high stone
How many years has that been?
grave nebula
3
high stone
Whoa! No dust?!
grave nebula
Yep. Not vacuuming oftenly either. Was best 2k ever invested.
high stone
For the rooms I don't use I vacuum 1-2x a year. Any room that has food consumed is once a week. Salt, little pieces you can't see have a way to finding the floor.
Crackers are the worst.
unreal spoke
Is it a know bug that you cannot edit object variables in the Data Table in the editor? I can edit bools, floats and so, but no objects, actors and stuff like that.
viral wolf
I got 3 pc's in one room, get hot pretty fast in the room
high stone
That's crazy heat. GTX 1060's are great for low energy.
high stone
Prices have dropped a lot since 2017.
viral wolf
First need new processor for faster rendering and project work
coarse osprey
While you guys have those nice pcs, I'm working with an intel pentium and a laptop hard drive
high stone
Ebay is a really good place for a 5 year old PC. A lot of the tech is still pretty good today.
Craig's list can be good. All depends on location.
hot drum
Is somebody able to help me
It's really quick
uh
I'm trying to reach an object
I'm trying to click on it
but there is an object in front of it that's required, but invisible
and you can't click through it
so how do I do that
is there any way to make it so that an object does not recieve clicks
p l z h e l p
plush yew
@hot drum Poke around your people actor Collision Profile
your invisible*
Inside the editor it's a drop-down menu, including checkboxes for finer results
in C++ Play with settings such as
Actor->SetCollisionProfileName(TEXT("Custom")); Actor->SetCollisionEnabled(ECollisionEnabled::QueryAndPhysics); Actor->SetCollisionObjectType(ECC_WorldStatic); Actor->SetCollisionResponseToChannels(ECR_Ignore); Actor->SetCollisionResponseToChannel(ECC_Pawn, ECR_Overlap); Actor->SetCollisionResponseToChannel(ECC_Vehicle, ECR_Overlap); Actor->SetCollisionResponseToChannel(ECC_Visibility, ECR_Block); Actor->SetCollisionResponseToChannel(ECC_Camera, ECR_Block); Actor->SetRelativeLocation(FVector(0.f));
and trial and error until it works the way you want ๐
hot drum
Well actually @plush yew My character will not be able to move into the object, it's point and click
are you talking about this thingo?
thank you for the help btw
plush yew
yes, that's it
hot drum
So will tinkering with this stuff affect how the object blocks my click events?
plush yew
Your invisible actor needs to ignore your clicks
this way the clicks would register on the actor behind the invisible object
is just a matter of trial and error, that's how I learned my lessons with collision ๐
hot drum
hmmmmm ๐ค
I did this but it still does not register
oh wait nvm
the hit box itself is not working now
what
ok hold on lemme fix that and then I will test it
YES IT WORKS! ๐
Thank You so much!
plush yew
@hot drum No problem, I suffered through this issue enough myself ๐
hot drum
Lol, thank you for sharing the info
thorn vector
smoky stream
2 things, firstly #looking-for-talent and secondly, nobody takes steam giftcards as payment, its usually paypal or some equivilent
@thorn vector
dawn vessel
delicate tangle
If I have an Inventory Blueprint and I would like to use this blueprint in other games how do I go about that. Is there a way to have a library of blueprints that I've made that I can import into any new project I start?
plush yew
You can export it or copy it @delicate tangle I think
delicate tangle
@plush yew I was hoping there would be a way to export them into like a personal library.
Then just import the entire library.
plush yew
I don't know about the libraries that you say me
delicate tangle
I'm used to doing that on my day to day work ๐
plush yew
okay
delicate tangle
Well I use the term library loosely. I just mean a collection of things (blueprint in this case).
whole quarry
thats one weird perspective
static viper
its un head now :p
plush yew
cool
whole quarry
now add a light source ๐
frank escarp
plush yew
@static viper @lime cobalt how you dare ping me for no particular reason?
yeah i was busy with my life recently so i wasnt coming here
who am I lying to, i just played games
trolo
static viper
i didnt
next sierra
yo slackers how the heck are ya? can someone please explain to me how necessary it is to use PlayerStart for a single player game with one character? I know that I can put a Pawn in the level and set "Auto Posses Player" to Player 0, but I see that sometimes calling "Get Player Pawn" returns an invalid object (seems to happen every other frame...very strange). Is there anything else I'm missing?
regal mulch
PlayerStart is just a class the GameMode uses to find a SpawnPoint for the Player.
For a Singleplayer Game there is basically no difference in using the DefaultPawnClass + PlayerStart
compared to setting the pawn class to none and putting a Pawn into the scene and autopossessing it
sudden agate
The GameMode provides a Function like "FindPlayerStart". You can put anything into that. it just returns an Actor Reference
GM also provides a Function "Spawn Default Pawn For" and "Spawn Default Pawn For At Transform"
grizzled wren
so yhea i am having a problem with installing epic i am using (intel(R) Pentuim cpu n4200 @ 1.10GHz) before i reset my pc i run epic and ue4 normal but after reboot i can download but when i run it just dont run even if u click 10000 time i see in task manger that when i press epic.exe it shows window problem thing in taskbar and go away and epic.exe also get close
whole quarry
what videocard do you have?
plush yew
Intel integrated I assume
undone pollen
Anyone wanna make a team for this? https://crowdforge.io/jams/ue4jam/teams/2458
dm me
south edge
does anyone know how to move the actor ? (i can move block a, b and the PS seperately, but not the "source" from the beam)
looks like this when running
fathom gale
help