the ark one is straight up unusable - everything takes years and it ran out of memory on 32GB
#ue4-general
grim sinew
The kite demo can run out of memory on 32gb as well, that doesn't mean much
Unreal is a memory killer on big projects
manic pawn
I was only looking at some blueprints lol
next ivy
At least memory is really cheap
manic pawn
what world are you living on where memory is cheap
manic pawn
memory is 2-3 times as expensive now than it used to be 2 years ago
next ivy
It has gotten expensive yes - but its still better than processors/video cards
grim sinew
They're double the cost they were last year, for the exact same parts
next ivy
Though video card prices about to go way down
grim sinew
They already have
next ivy
Well Nvidia is making like a crapton of 11-series this time around
manic pawn
they have? 1080ti is still 800€ here
next ivy
way more than 10 series which was a disaster
manic pawn
which is the same price I bought it on launch day
next ivy
Plus the stock markets seem to indicate that mining was overblown (which was predictable)
grim sinew
They have a huge excess of 10 series GPUs
next ivy
They didn't
next ivy
Its still cheaper to buy a prebuilt than build your own if ones available
Their stock is still gonna skyrocket
manic pawn
where are you seeing prebuilts that are cheaper
next ivy
I'm currently eyeing an $1150 GTX 1070 16gb i7 8700 w/ SSD
next ivy
yea
US is the place to be when it comes to tech
Germany has great sound engineering though
Beyerdynamic and such
The one I'm looking at is from the dell store the inspiron gaming
Maybe check to see the pricing on it since I assume dell ships international
manic pawn
which one
next ivy
5680
manic pawn
not seeing any with a 1070
manic pawn
all 12 have a 1060 6gb
manic pawn
it says $1299 tho
next ivy
It went up $100.00 this week I guess and there was a $50.00 coupon
there's also a few $1100-$1200 of similar specs at the micro centers around here but you wouldnt have those in germany
high stone
Wrong chat. What I meant to say is it's getting cheaper to buy a new PC.
manic pawn
not here lol
high stone
If I wanted to build a PC in January, $2k. now it's $1.3k.
manic pawn
prices dropping everywhere, meanwhile, nothing changes here...
high stone
What are you looking to get? High end CPU? GTX 1080?
manic pawn
nothing atm, maybe the gtx 1180 when it releases
high stone
Yeah. I went with the 1060 for that very reason.
I thought I was getting ripped off. Got it on sale for $200 before the bitcoin craze.
high stone
Bah, emulate NES Tetris. 8k 240 fps!
bitter iris
800 euro for a 1080 ti?
high stone
Anyone have an 8k monitor that can confirm that works?
next ivy
Nah Nvidia's stock is way up on the 11 series
bitter iris
people are selling them here for £510-£550
next ivy
1080 wont be hard to find
manic pawn
do 8k monitors even exist?
next ivy
even at launch
high stone
Yes, Tim has an 8k. Owner of Unreal.
high stone
Tim's probably working on Unreal 7 or something. Mind blowing graphics.
manic pawn
just call it real engine then
high stone
Don't give Mega64 any ideas.
next ivy
Windows would look like shit on it
high stone
Yeah, you pretty much have to use Linux by that point.
manic pawn
I guess you could have ultra sharp text
next ivy
Wish we could all use LInux
manic pawn
how would windows look bad
next ivy
But Maya doesnt have linux
high stone
The zoom would need to be 10000%
next ivy
so I have to use windows
manic pawn
dpi scale works just fine
next ivy
Plus from what I hear UE4 doesnt run on linux that well
bitter iris
considering a 1080 can bearly get 90 fps on gta 5 i have no hope for 8k monitors
manic pawn
you wouldn't use that at 100% scale lol
bitter iris
ik lol
next ivy
I mean that might just be GTA V
high stone
I am curious why he has an 8k. Must be up to something big on it.
next ivy
Some games are better than other at squeezing performance
bitter iris
metro last light 4k does 95 fps
bitter iris
ashes 45 fps 4k
bitter iris
BTW these are just 1440p tests
high stone
I'm getting a 4k monitor. Will 60 fps be fine for most games? Gtx 1060.
next ivy
1060 is kinda a dumb product imo
high stone
1060 does 1080p easily.
bitter iris
nope
manic pawn
60 fps feels like a slideshow after having seen 100
next ivy
1070 is the safe option
high stone
Dude what are you running?
next ivy
1060 is risky
bitter iris
2 1080 ti's
next ivy
for some things
high stone
I had zero issues on my 1060. Dues Ex Mankind ran on max settings no problems.
next ivy
what fps?
bitter iris
capped ?
next ivy
consistant?
high stone
Constant.
bitter iris
hmm
high stone
Maybe you got a bad 1060?
next ivy
I mean I'm running a 660m lol
bitter iris
i have 2 1080 tis dude
high stone
I'm serious. You should have no issues on 1080p with a GTX 1060.
bitter iris
never owned a 1060
next ivy
I'm sure you will with some games
grim ore
I am using a 1060 on a 7300hq laptop right now and no problem with any games I tried
high stone
Black Desert max settings. Only lag with 100 players on screen. Luckily there's a turn off extra players option.
grim ore
sure I can't do insane quality but high works most of the time
high stone
Agreed
bitter iris
looking at benches for Deus Ex (I5 7500, 1060, gets 45-62 fps
high stone
I have no idea how you're going below 60 fps on Deus Ex Mankind on a GTX 1060.
grim ore
man I cant even keep a stable 60fps in wow in raids on a 1080. Not even the best GPU can give you max on every game =/
high stone
It's all about hiding the players Mathew.
next ivy
Sometimes its the games fault
next ivy
Did we ever decide if hairworks-gate is a real thing?
bitter iris
@high stone what cpu you got
high stone
I'll pick up a GTX 1160, or 1170 next year. Just hope my 4k screen looks good.
I will be getting a 8700k.
next ivy
Is the 8700's extra 2 cores really good for ue4?
bitter iris
got now
high stone
8700k is a real upgrade in CPUs. Intel hasn't done crap with their processors in a long time.
next ivy
yea cause amd
high stone
Thank god for AMD.
bitter iris
meh lol
next ivy
Intel is still better lol
bitter iris
ipc is low af on amd
high stone
Also they fired the CEO. So bright times ahead. The CEO had issues gallore.
bitter iris
huh?
next ivy
Assuming the new ceo is better
And assuming CEOs have all the power in a public company
high stone
Intel CEO was the reason for the price fixing, lack of upgrades and bizarre decisions to push tech no one wants.
next ivy
Im interested in the recent partnering with AMD and Intel
grim ore
I've got a 5820k which is 6 core on the desktop and the extra 2 are definitely noticeable when doing shader compiles or light bakes.
high stone
My family used to work at Intel. I was told the CEO ran the company like Retail. Glad he's gone.
next ivy
They made a integrated graphics chip together
bitter iris
Raja left on leave then went to intel was never fired
high stone
We should see really good stuff in the CPU world in the next few years.
next ivy
Will the "Game Development with C++" Visual Studio package let me compile my project?
Had to uninstall because whatever I currently had wasnt working
polar hawk
next ivy
or do I need "Desktop Development..." too
bitter iris
To package your project?
next ivy
Yea
next ivy
Yea see IDK why it wouldnt let me
polar hawk
next ivy
It shouldnt have had an issue I had 2017
next ivy
I always used epic game's version before but I'm doing dedicated servers this time around and apparantly I need a source version
polar hawk
next ivy
Should work with 2017
polar hawk
⬆ 
grim ore
2017 should work fine for 4.18 and later, 4.20 actually switches to windows 10 sdk and VS 2017 by default
polar hawk
grim ore
I personally never install the game packages in the vs installer, I just install the desktop dev stuff and the 8.1 SDK as an extra option but thats because I dont want the epic installer again
polar hawk
✅
next ivy
Heh alright thanks
I didnt mind epic game's system
it loaded pretty quick
But I need source now I guess
grim ore
yeah the game dev for C++ is intended to give you all you want so it really shouldnt hurt
next ivy
I will never understand how visual studio takes so long to install
high stone
Computers live on C++. Amazed we've been using it since 1999.
next ivy
A friend of mine was trying to install it and he had an old computer and it literally took him like 24 hours
polar hawk
💵
next ivy
Well fortran was a mess
I still really enjoy python but obviously its not made for this kind of stuff
polar hawk
next ivy
But man for doing scientific calculations python is awesome
grim ore
yeah I installed VS 2017 for work on a pentium J machine and it was annoyingly slow with the 5400rpm hdd
well python editor scripting is in 4.20 so have at it
high stone
I've used basic, pascal, unix, C to C++, Visual C++, etc. C++ FTW.
next ivy
Is it a wrapper?
high stone
Never used python. Where does it rank?
next ivy
Its very high level
polar hawk
next ivy
Yea you can use swig in python to call C++ classes which is great for things like matricies
though iirc fortran still processes matricies faster than c++
polar hawk
high stone
So if I were to hire a programmer for using the Unreal engine. Should I require python?
next ivy
So I imagine ue4 just uses the wrapper
No python would be a behind the scenes thing if its not coming till 4.20
We need to rewrite UE4 in fortran
grim ore
yeah python is just for helper stuff, its not for actual game code
like if you want to automate importing and stuff like that
polar hawk
next ivy
Oh its editor only
high stone
Phew.
next ivy
You couldnt like use scipting like a blueprint
polar hawk
next ivy
Like Skyrim has their own scripting editor
that they use on quests
I thought it was like that
polar hawk
🚷
grim ore
nah that would be something like skookumscript
high stone
Got to see the coder of Skyrim at GDC. He was very 'confident' in his work. It was an interesting presentation.
next ivy
I'm guessing this is mostly kinda like batch operations +
safe rose
polar hawk
next ivy
From the documentation :::
Imports a Datasmith file
Replace Material
Merge Actors
Level Editing
Content Browser
Convert Actors
Join Actors
Basically just advanced batch operations
polar hawk
high stone
GDC should be a requirement for everyone. Makes it easier to find new applicants.
polar hawk
next ivy
I dont think they could fit everyone
polar hawk
✅
high stone
Just annex the nearby buildings and that should cover the space issue.
Put up pirate flags.
polar hawk
🇺🇲
polar hawk
next ivy
I think Allar likes emotes
polar hawk
next ivy
Visual studio - the only program that takes longer to install than it does to download no matter what your internet connection is
high stone
I didn't have any problems with Visual Studio. Looks back at his copy from 2008.
I should probably upgrade.
next ivy
Probably dont remember how long it took
high stone
That could be it. I need to reinstall a ton of stuff when I get my new PC.
next ivy
VS is like the only microsoft product that I think has gotten better with age
high stone
What about Silverlight? /wink
storm venture
Hey, any ideas about fixing this light issue?
The lightmaps look good, I'm using the gpu lightmass, hoping I just missed something simple
It's so weird, the glow is on the wall, baseboard, and floor. All separate meshes with simple lightmaps
high stone
That's... sec. I think caustics for light bleed.
naive forge
@somber tundra owo
somber tundra
uwu
winged crypt
any gamelift users?
next ivy
Should it say "staging-4.19" at the bottom right even though I want the release version or did I get the wrong one :S ?
weak peak
hello again guys, got a cople a dumb newbie questions
im trying to make an inventory system for an RPG game that will have a ton of diffrent items types.
in this case would it be better to use various arrays to store the diffrent item types to help sort them in catagories?
or should i just use one super array for all the items?
logic tells me to use various arrays for the various item types/catagories
but i figured id ask just in case
cinder iron
One array and filter by tag/byte.
weak peak
ok thanks
gaunt frigate
Does anyone know a good place to learn PBR Texture Creation in Unreal Engine?
grim sinew
@gaunt frigate You don't need to post the exact same message in #level-design , #graphics , and #ue4-general
gaunt frigate
I don't know where to ask texture questions. Those three made sense.
grim sinew
It's not only overkill, but it's against server rules.
sudden agate
just ask where to post first and everything is fine :D
cloud cobalt
People outside the industry don't know the terms. game design channel gets plenty of tech questions all the time
wary wave
more often than not, which is a bit depressing tbh
gaunt frigate
Why would it go into Level Design? Because in my experience a lot of level designer has the required knowledge to answer the question. That was mainly why.
grim sinew
Level designers worry about gameplay, not the visuals, a lot of the time
Figuring out how to make a space play well and how to make a space look nice aren't exactly the same
gaunt frigate
Yes, normally. But I am also aware that they tend to do more than just that when they are not professionals. They often have to tweak things, and learn these things as they are often alone in doing their levels.
grim sinew
Even still, the wrong place for a question like that and you're not really meant to post in multiple channels for the same thing to cut down on spam.
Just put questions where they're best suited.
frank escarp
and finding level artists that actually know how to make good flow is HARD
most artists can take a greybox and make it pretty
but having it be well designed and fun to play? much harder
gaunt frigate
What is "well designed" and "fun to play"?
grim sinew
And vice-versa, level artists will just throw boxes and chest high walls everywhere with no regard for how it looks in the end.
The two professions are directly at odds with each other a lot of the time
gaunt frigate
I think most people people do that, despite how good they are technically in something. They do not learn or understand the basics of composition and other skills.
high stone
That's why I lectured my class mates in college the value of technical know how, even for artists.
Then got chewed out. ):
tranquil bloom
How safe are blueprints that are being packaged? Will hackers be able to extract blueprints (.uasset) from the .pak files?
whole quarry
if they try hard enough, probably
cloud cobalt
@tranquil bloom Anything in your game is somehow extractible, to a point
Heavily optimized C++ code, nativized Blueprints are probably quite hard to extract
You need to ask yourself what's the risk here
plucky reef
so guys I got a noob question, I just started playing about UE Maps/landscape/level or whatever you call it, so I got a map and my friend got another terrain/map is there a way to merge those two? I don't wanna rebuild his map and put it in my map
cloud cobalt
If you're going to hide your database identifiers in there, don't
tranquil bloom
Yeah, that's what I thought, we don't put anything valuable on the client-side though
whole quarry
Just never, never, trust the client 😛
tranquil bloom
Exactly
I was just wondering if the original state of a blueprint could be extracted from a pak file
plucky reef
@tranquil bloom was wondering about that too, and can they extract the mesh and materials from .pak, i really don't know
tranquil bloom
I know they can extract assets (animations, models, meshes, textures, ..)
In it's pure form
whole quarry
I've seen whole games being reversed engineerd, I'm sure its possible with .pak and .uasset files too
cloud cobalt
My understanding is that Blueprint graphs are not included in cooked assets
Reverse engineering is always possible
Not straight up extraction
tranquil bloom
Stranger, ty!
Was going to ask that
So stranger, if they don't have the Blueprint graphs how usable are the blueprints then?
If you just have the bytecode ...
cloud cobalt
Blueprints get compiled to bytecode (or C++, with nativization)
frank escarp
@cloud cobalt have you seen that ue4.19 has an encryption setting?
cloud cobalt
So you have the bytecode that's extractible, again, if you're reverse-engineering the thing
frank escarp
it can encrypt the fuck out of the .pak
cloud cobalt
Encryption on PC is worthless
frank escarp
seems to work for fortnite
frank escarp
at least it makes it so much harder to just pop open the .pak
tranquil bloom
The key is stored somewhere
cloud cobalt
It's a cool first line of defense but it's literally impossible to have user-tamper-resistant software on PC
frank escarp
of course the users can attach a debugger to grab the 3d models
cloud cobalt
Encryption is only viable as a tool for, say, prevent people from leaking the incredible endgame plot points in the first week of your MMO
Stuff like that
Like what's going on with the sky in Fortnite
Encryption works well enough for that because it prevents snooping around easily
plucky reef
excuse me bros,sorry to interrupt but sirs do you know how to connect 2 different map? I got a jungle map and my friend got a beach map, can I connect them without manually placing assets to imitate the other map?
tranquil bloom
Stranger, do you know the method in Unreal Engine core responsible for cooking the assets?
cloud cobalt
@tranquil bloom Cooking is a fairly involved process, depends quite a bit from asset to asset
I don't know much about its internals
tranquil bloom
Okay, I can tell assets are being cooked differently
For example audio file vs blueprint, it's cooked in a different manner
I want to know the internals :p
whole quarry
@plucky reef there is a article on the ue4 docs about merging maps
tranquil bloom
I would like to change the behavior of cooking.
Can't find it in the UnrealEngine release source though 😒
plucky reef
@whole quarry thanks sir, I guess I just have to find it out, thanks! At least I know it's possible, I wanna make it a sub level for my map, thanks again
whole quarry
@plucky reef some links I quickly found on google:
https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/content-creation/50719-merging-multiple-terrains
and
https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-us/Engine/LevelStreaming/WorldBrowser
and
https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/73123/how-to-combine-2-levels.html
rose quartz
Im trying to use the Blueprint Variable Map and If im right its TMap in c++ but i added it and somehow im getting Conversion error in c++ how is that possible?
TMap<EStats::Stats, FStatsData>
honest vale
need to see the actual error message
compiler output
whatever
"car is broken what do" doesn't help much
rose quartz
'void UStatsFunctionLibrary::GetStatFromMap(EStats::Stats,TMap<EStats::Stats,FStatsData,FDefaultSetAllocator,TDefaultMapHashableKeyFuncs<KeyType,ValueType,false>>)': cannot convert argument 2 from 'TMap<TEnumAsByteEStats::Stats,FStatsData,FDefaultSetAllocator,TDefaultMapHashableKeyFuncs<KeyType,ValueType,false>>' to 'TMap<EStats::Stats,FStatsData,FDefaultSetAllocator,TDefaultMapHashableKeyFuncs<KeyType,ValueType,false>>'
whole quarry
can you make a print screen of your "Blueprint Variable Map" ?
whole quarry
enum and structure?
rose quartz
yes
whole quarry
why not put the enum in the structure, and not use map? 😬
rose quartz
Then i will have a Array i know what you mean but i wanted to try map with this because its for some functions in the Bleuprint easyer
I have a Example in bleuprints the game and i want to set it to C++ some functions
can you wee what i mean @whole quarry
paper kernel
I don't recall giving launcher a permission to launch on it's own 🤔
Epic pls, stop trying to fish data
if you want my dxdiag, ask nicely
cloud cobalt
You probably did when accepting some 45-pages EULA
cloud cobalt
That's not how things work.
Especially something financially binding like the UE4 agreement
whole quarry
So what if thats not how it works. If we all continued how things are, we would still push people in the fields
45 pages is way to much
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cloud cobalt
That's still not the point
grim sinew
And 2 pages is too little to be watertight in court
cloud cobalt
Read what you agree to
That's it
If you get sued by Epic asking you for $5M you're not going to say "TLDR"
whole quarry
You're missing the point Stranger...
regal mulch
42. Accepting our EULA grants us the right to sell you our new "Epic Games Washingmachine!".
Or rather
whole quarry
Im not saying you shouldnt read it, or scrap it. Im just saying 45 pages is too much for an EULA, should be like 2 pages..
cloud cobalt
Sure we never read most of that stuff, but you really do need to read it when you release your game, because there is plenty of required stuff in there
And it's not really 45 pages either
regal mulch
42. With accepting our EULA blindly like you do with all others, you also bought this nice new set of knifes!
cloud cobalt
The point is, even if it was 500 pages, you still really should read that ¯_(ツ)_/¯
regal mulch
Correct
grim sinew
Or get a lawyer to make a TL;DR for you
If it's 500 pages
Because no possible way are you going to comprehend 500 pages
regal mulch
It's like agreeing to Epic's EULA and then crying that they take money from your Kickstarter.
cloud cobalt
The UE4 EULA is something like 5-10 pages printed, looking at it
regal mulch
UE4's EULA is fine. The wording could be a bit better but that's it
It's the usual laywer talk
pine parcel
It's really not that bad. Write your own terms and conditions for something and the jargon becomes like reading anything else.
regal mulch
Where you aren't sure wtf they actually want
cloud cobalt
And sure enough, here it is @paper kernel - "You acknowledge that, as a default setting, the Engine Code will collect and send to Epic anonymous hardware and usage data from end users of Products"
Not exactly what you were talking about (this is for your users, not you directly) but you get the idea
I know not everyone is doing a commercial product, but I still have no idea why people don't pay more attention to stuff like that
whole quarry
I was surprised yesterday too that Epic Launcher launched on its own when I booted up my computer. I've never set it to auto start :/
pine parcel
Can't say I'm ever surprised when a new program auto-launches. Mostly every new installation seems to have at the very least a background process started on boot.
whole quarry
it wasnt a new installation, its there for 2 years+
never started on its own, until yesterday
cloud cobalt
I've had the engine for 4 years, never had the launcher auto-launch. Check the setting, might have been a bug
pine parcel
Oh, interesting.
valid dew
Is there an easy way to customized the DefaultEngine.ini to use multiple different Online Subsystems based on the targeted platform the game gonna be currently packaged for?
cloud cobalt
Don't believe so, but I'd love to know
If not, branches in source control can work well
whole quarry
@valid dew there is a plugin tool, not sure if it can do that, it was developed by @vale halo and is available on the marketplace
vale halo
I'm afraid it doesn't currently have that functionality, but it does sound interesting so I may look in to that in the future (no promises though)
valid dew
@whole quarry thank you. gonna check this out later
whole quarry
I wish it was easy to make a own OnlineSubsystem 😛
warm mountain
does shader complexity take into account number of polygons as well?
or is it solely material?
languid shard
@warm mountain you mean the shader complexity debug view ?
warm mountain
yup
languid shard
nah material only
cloud cobalt
Nah it's only shaders
warm mountain
gotcha
languid shard
care for overdraw though
cloud cobalt
Poly count is hardly a big thing these days, unless you're on mobile, or you're doing nonsense
warm mountain
fair enough
i'm just making some modular assets and some higher poly versions
that would be needed for close up in the future
languid shard
how about using lods ?
cloud cobalt
My take on polycount is, make it as high poly as it needs to not have visible polygons in intended use, while still being careful
LOD does the rest
warm mountain
just practicing UV mapping and texture density right now
gotcha
well they are mostly pretty low poly as it is
languid shard
you could use LOD0 as your ultra high poly model, and cap it at LOD1
warm mountain
ah nah
languid shard
this isnt highpoly at all
warm mountain
i'm not doing mobile
just a simple zombie killing game
but with super powers haha
warm mountain
gotcha
cloud cobalt
If they're needed obviously
languid shard
you wont make LODs for a cube for example
occlusion culling will do the work at long distances
cloud cobalt
That's automatic
languid shard
the engine will do it
cloud cobalt
It's called mipmaps
warm mountain
ah
languid shard
mipmapping
warm mountain
nice
languid shard
😄
warm mountain
very cool haha1
warm mountain
nice
does it also handle the camera view as well? In the sense that it would lower or remove objects that are not viewable in the camera?
cloud cobalt
Yeah, that's called culling
languid shard
unreal does occlusion culling too, meaning an object not being visible by the camera (by being behind another, bigger object for example) will not be rendered
warm mountain
that is good
languid shard
you can actually freeze the culling in your editor if you want to check how it looks like
cloud cobalt
Not to mention culling volume to cull object based on apparent size
languid shard
yeap
warm mountain
wow
languid shard
have they ever fixed bad performance with HZB occlusion culling btw ?
That feature is so hit and miss depending on the scene
cloud cobalt
It's more complicated than that
The profiler entry for HZB is kind of a catch all
It's not specifically bad, it's more than other stuff gets marked as HZB
IIRC
languid shard
blergh
I wonder if there's any custom culling solutions on the marketplace
unity had a few nice custom solutions
cloud cobalt
What I mean is that it's not the culling
languid shard
ah yes read your answer a bit too fast
frank escarp
unreal culling is very sophisticated, it works great
but it doesnt cull lights, remember that
cloud cobalt
Lights are huge fucking mess in UE4
cloud cobalt
It's really annoying. Basic features are there, but anything advanced comes with massive holes
Skylights look amazing but basically behave as an environment map ignoring geometry, lighting channels are great but are handled in 1/3 of the engine
RTDF has some weird requirements too
Not to even mention the fucking dynamic shadow acne of doom
languid shard
eh
with RTX we'll at least get good looking shadows
and wont have to tweak the fuck of the lighting to get decent results
fair violet
The day RTX can run at 30FPS on a single GPU will be a happy day
Will be insane for visuals and non game applications
languid shard
well, when I meant RTX shadows, I meant only that
should be too much to only use the shadow part
fair violet
Oh yeah it'll be much cheaper then right?
languid shard
yup
fair violet
They plan on just implementing the things that will most dramatically increase quality
That is great
If SSAO can be replaced, I'll be very happy
languid shard
Metro Exodus will have RTX bits here and there
if we get results like HBAO+ or something similar for lower performance impact
🤤
fair violet
The future is insanely bright
All this great tech is on the way
Very shortly it'll be possible to get realism in UE4 that could be comparable to offline renders in many ways
Just seeing how much time is spent rendering single frames of offline renders, this makes me so excited
As I can't wait more than a few minutes without being too impatient
UE4 has spoiled me
fair violet
Yeah that is huge for me too
Can't wait for that
Their tease posts have got me very hyped
Seems they have a good team on that
fair violet
Can't wait to see what they do
cloud cobalt
Looks like the lighting team at Epic was teasing more than that
Hopefully this time it's less flashy "dynamic GI now, promise" and more production tools for today
fair violet
Yeah it seems that way
With some of the names on the team, it will be very cool for sure
And seeing Niagara / Sequencer, Epic know how to properly replace a legacy system!
I'm sure they'll one up the old system by a large margin
cloud cobalt
Can't really well make it worse !
frank escarp
Dynamic GI now is perfectly fine it if allows the option to bake it
mystic veldt
after years and years...
frank escarp
even if the dynamic GI runs at 5 fps
its still great as previews
then you hit bake and it bakes in a min or two
this would be a huge boost
mystic veldt
i have a question...how can i sync player movement with camera in TopDown Example?
like...when i press W my character start move forward but when i rotate my camera 90 Degree
the character move right or left(depend of rotation)
instead of changing direction
mystic veldt
someone?
digital anchor
idk how topdown looks like but seems you just want to move to the same rotation as the camera is?
instead of applying movement to the player foward vector, apply to the camera Up vector (or whatever fits)
plush yew
helo guys I have a mew computer and I install my unrealengine
but I have a problem
where I can setting my graphics settings as far epic and these?
can you say me the steps?
silver crown
Was about to give a lmgify link 😢
plush yew
thank you I will check
mystic veldt
@digital anchor
yea something like u said
but idk how to do that
so i will figure it in 1-2 hours...
or i will search for a video on yt
plush yew
tank you I checked it
my settings are on epic and I work with 120 fps-cool
I am with Core I 5 and Nvidia Geforce 1030
plush yew
why?
languid shard
is it the DDR5 1030 ?
wet epoch
Heh, I doubt anyone here can help me, but my project is crashing every time it auto-saves these days. Here's what the log says when I crash:
[2018.07.11-13.37.10:389][645]LogWindows: Error: Assertion failed: !Export.SuperIndex.IsNull() [File:D:\Build++UE4+Release-4.18+Compile\Sync\Engine\Source\Runtime\CoreUObject\Private\UObject\SavePackage.cpp] [Line: 4659]
[2018.07.11-13.37.10:389][645]LogWindows: Error: Export Struct (/Game/GameLogic/PlaceableObjects/MovingProp_SlidingActor.MovingProp_SlidingActor_C) of type (BlueprintGeneratedClass) inheriting from (/Engine/Transient.REINST_MovingProp_GridBased_C_1794) of type (BlueprintGeneratedClass) has not mapped super struct.
If you have any ideas at all please let me know!
plush yew
but my ram is DDR3 8GB Ram DDR 3
grim ore
It might not help to fix it but you can disable auto save in the settings for now
wet epoch
Yeah, I've done that
flat scroll
The bindings menu in the project settings is pretty iffy, stuff folds by itself when you want to rename and generally is annoying. Anyone else has that issue?
hot ledge
in visual studio how do i compile my code without opening unreal engine and compiling in there
cloud cobalt
F7
gleaming star
Guys do you know why after 4.19 the right click drag scrolling, in the content browser or any other scrolling area, no longer keeps its scrolling momentum?
I only found another guy that asked the same question... but nothing else. https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/801702/419-right-click-drag-in-content-browser-no-longer.html
mystic veldt
i have a question...how can i sync player movement with camera in TopDown Example?
like...when i press W my character start move forward but when i rotate my camera 90 Degree
the character move right or left(depend of rotation)(edited)
instead of changing direction
come one man
grim ore
so W is always forward for the camera?
mystic veldt
camera is above my character
and i can rotate with q and e at 90 degrees
but character sill move forward if i press W
next ivy
You could use a variable
not sure if thats the most efficient way
You could also just check the direction the camera is facing in the blueprint
mystic veldt
mystic veldt
i give up
grim ore
😦
I don't know what you tried but just using the default third person project and moving the camera seems to work the way you want it. The default Top Down template does not have keyboard control so we have no way of knowing how you are doing your movement code to help.
plush yew
can anyone suggest me a tutorial on procedural textures
I want to make a grass like texture
next ivy
There's a wiki https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Procedural_Materials
I always like the epic wikis
plush yew
everything just went off my head @next ivy
next ivy
how far will I get on a 256gb ssd for OS and UE4...?
worn granite
source or launcher?
manic pawn
it might work
depending how large your project is
and how much other stuff you try writing to the ssd
next ivy
Wouldnt be too difficult to migrate later if I need to I guess
Just getting tired of loading screens xD
manic pawn
just play it safe and get a 500 one
sudden agate
Epic is so fucking stupid. They change the Initialization Order of Animation and Component every other version.
4.19:
Component Activated (Dispatcher) first,
Event Blueprint Initialize Animation second
4.20:
Event Blueprint Initialize Animation first,
Component Activated second
harsh tiger
does anyone know how i can move the AK around? its stuck in that position no matter where i move it too. its also a skeleton mesh and it only moves when i move its location in maya and then reimport it
next ivy
@sudden agate That's cause they're trying to improve animation
UE4 has a great animation management system
Its usually best not to update your engine to a new version unless you're starting a new project or need a particular feature
rose quartz
@whole quarry
@whole quarry
@whole quarry Got it working and showing it on screen 😄
gleaming lotus
Since dropping in materials on my landscape, I'm experiencing some lag/freezing when I release my mouseclick when sculpting / painting my landscape. Its becoming quite frustrating - any ideas how to get rid of this lag?
plush yew
my favorite part of unreal is that you can crash it by spamming ctrl+z
next ivy
Don't make mistakes
manic pawn
ctrl z undoes all your work at once by crashing
next ivy
I've never had it crash
next ivy
Its either UE or Cry
Cause unity is a modifiable game
I'd switch to cry if it had more developed blueprints like UE
teal tulip
what you mean by modifiable game ?
errant lintel
Is there an approximative release date for 4.20 ?
teal tulip
when is ready
by what I notice should be released between this month and september as limit
manic pawn
several people are going around saying it's going to release this week but I have not found any source for that assumption
grave nebula
Tomorrow. Unquestionably.
manic pawn
why
grave nebula
Mercury is in first house. All major engine releases are timed to astrological events.
manic pawn
🤔 🤔 🤔
harsh tiger
can someone tell me the name of this node? its in the material bp
grave nebula
OneMinus
harsh tiger
thats it haha thanks
high stone
Anyone know the typical lifespan of a SSD? I only use half of it's capacity.
paper kernel
about 10 years
high stone
I got mine in 2012. I should probably get a new one in 2 more years?
paper kernel
You can check the health status with various programs
but for that 10 year target, you need cap out the transfer amounts daily
which are in scales of terabytes
high stone
Everything is backed up on 3 other drives. No worries there.
I mostly use it for programs, windows.
bleak heron
is unreal engine possible to use to create a voxel based game? (cubes / pixels)
silver crown
I only use half of it's capacity Why that?
manic pawn
the one I've been using to compile unreal on like 100+ times only reports 13% of its estimated lifetime used so far after 1 year
high stone
@bleak heron Talk about timing. I'm working on that very subject. It's expanding out with shadows, particle effects.
paper kernel
Capacity does slightly affect the usage%, which lowers the lifespan
high stone
@silver crown No need. Just use the SSD for programs.
high stone
@bleak heron I'm going to start reaching out to them on the same subject.
Are we talking Magica Voxel type?
paper kernel
Voxels? Yes, and no it's not easy
high stone
Sec... I know a guy.
silver crown
aka as minecraft type?
high stone
minddesk is the website, Quibicle.
bleak heron
yeah similar to minecraft, but less quality.
high stone
Quiblicle is the way to go and it works with Unreal.
teal tulip
how a tool can be similar to Minecraft
oh lord
Voxels as you say voxels are different things
high stone
I do have a question also regarding voxels for Unreal staff. This is a bit more advanced. It's something already being worked on. So it's not unfamiliar territory. But the questions are specific.
teal tulip
Minecraft isn't a real Voxels game, but cubes, and that cubes are generated, no meshes
As second point you can't do a Minecraft like game with that but looking like voxels thing
high stone
Hybrids are pretty much the norm at this juncture.
@bleak heron You'll be set with Quibicle. Industries of Titan if you want to see it in action. On YT or Steam.
grim ore
so.... this does not bode well for 4.20 this week ```Unreal Engine
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plush yew
anyone here really good with maya? I have some questions
torpid onyx
I chamfered a cube once
next ivy
Unbelievable
@teal tulip I mean Unity isnt very open
You cant just do whatever you want as much as you can with ue4
hollow crescent
Hi I'm reading an old Unreal Engine book and it requires UE4.4.3
Anyone know where I can download VS2013 compiler?
silver crown
IMO you shouldn't do that
hollow crescent
yeah I figured
silver crown
Lots of stuff changed
hollow crescent
but I didn't want to ditch the book
grim sinew
Challenge yourself to update the lesson to the current version of VS and UE4
hollow crescent
good idea
I'll see how that turns out
the book is pretty small
plus pictures lol
12 chapters 300 pages
obsidian nimbus
but was it any good when 4.4 was still relevant?
cuz u might have a bad book thats allso outdated 😛
let of self proclaimed UE4 gods that state things as fact that is just straight up the wrong way of doin things
UE4 docs prolly has more than 300 pages might be a good place to start
it also has nice pictures
high stone
@plush yew I am.
high stone
Opening my version of Maya...
plush yew
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390214835444383746/461365319978450965/unknown.png in the original .mb file, the model itself is transparent and blends into the other model (note that the texture does not have an alpha channel, so it can not be transparent). when I export it
it looks like this
I can send you a .mb file that you can look at
high stone
Maya does strange things with pngs. Let me check my hypershade
high stone
I have a pretty old version, 2008.
finite vault
Hi is this the section if I want to ask a question?
hollow crescent
@obsidian nimbus did you say, "pictures"?!?! I'm there!
gentle crypt
Hi i want to flatten normal map by lerping into a plain normal map but im a little confused with the default colour. I checked the flatten normal node and that uses pure blue (0,0,1) colour and i used the colour picker tool from photoshop to pick the background colour for an example normal (0.5,0.5,1). which one should i use?
manic pawn
the 0 to 1 in your color is mapped to -1 to 1 for the normal vector
so to get one that is going straight up you want the vector to be 0 0 1, which means a color of 0.5 0.5 1
grim sinew
There's also literally a flatten normal node you can use.
gentle crypt
@manic pawn Im confused. so using 0,0,1 will give the same result?
manic pawn
no
grim sinew
Use the flatten normal material function
It's built into the engine
All you're ending up doing is recreating it. There's no point.
gentle crypt
im not using the flatten normal node because of this mateial function im trying to create . I need to add lerp default normal colour and wanted to know what the default colour is.
hollow crescent
My eyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
grim sinew
0 0 1. You have it. You're done.
You're not doing anything the material function wouldn't already do, but there you go, you did it manually.
All you did was flip A and B in your lerp, it's identical otherwise.
copper tangle
Is it possible to create a button within a menu to change the graphic APIs?+
DirectX 10, 11, 12 etc...
gentle crypt
i changed it to 0,0,1 but thanks for the help. i was getting confused.😉
grim sinew
Probably, but there's no point. DX10 isn't supported anymore and DX12 isn't ready for use.
manic pawn
should be 0.5 0.5 1 tho
grim sinew
No, it shouldn't.
high stone
Is DX12 locked to Win10?
grim sinew
Yes.
manic pawn
p sure the material works in the 0-1 space with normals up till the normal output?
high stone
Compared to DX11 is it still a buggy mess or is DX12 ironed out?
crude jasper
Hi everyone 😃
crude jasper
im new to the server, started using UE4 like one week ago and i have a question
high stone
Buggy mess still. /:
manic pawn
they are in the end of course but if you get a normal input from a texture it'll be 0-1
grim sinew
No APIs currently work properly on the UE4 for windows except DX11
And no, @manic pawn the engine remaps it
crude jasper
Can anyone help me ?
high stone
Ask away Dudawar.
manic pawn
I might be confused when this remapping happens
grim sinew
Why are you arguing when I literally had a screenshot of how Epic made their material function, of all people I think they would get it right
crude jasper
Okay so if you know Pubg, im trying to do something similar
grim sinew
And if you make a normal input 0.5 0.5 1 it clearly doesn't look right if you try it
crude jasper
Basically i want to Have a key (Alt) when i press it, its supposed to disable Yaw but if i hit a certain angle it enables it again
I think i did everything right but
when i run it
high stone
I'd recommend switching it to another key. Alt is used on a lot of things.
crude jasper
the Break rotation doesnt work
cause it doesnt show the values of rotation2
thx but does anyone know what im doing wrong ?
high stone
Yaw, pitch, roll?
manic pawn
oh didn't realize what that screenshot was. you're right of course @grim sinew
high stone
Gimble lock?
crude jasper
??
When i press Alt it sets the location where i pressed Alt / Yaw and pitch then it adds Max and Min volumes
then i need a value so i used event tick and rotation2 to set the value
If value goes over max or min
high stone
To avoid overlap I would set a another local group to do exclusively one thing, yaw? Any devs on want to give a crack at this? I'm more of a Maya person.
crude jasper
it enables yaw
hmmmm.... anyone?
Also when i hit play and clicked Alt (my event key) everything worked but the second break rotation (the one that is connected to rotation2) it showed random values....
Im going off soon ... if someone could help me i'd apreciate if you would DM me 😃 thx
next ivy
so if my game is using a dedicated server, I have to package the game every time I make a change?
Or at least every time I want to test using a server
grim ore
Shouldnt have to. You can test with the editor against a dedicated server unless you mean you have to build the dedicated server to test the change
next ivy
Oh so I don't have to update the server with the game?
remote roost
i'm getting weird framerate drops in 4.19 randomly in editor, anyone know what's up with that
nothing to do with my code since it's happening even when the game isn't running, whole engine will just start running bad after a few hours of being open and then I have to restart my computer
usually getting 120fps and it'll start tanking after a few hours
didn't happen in 4.18
manic pawn
remote roost
After hours of detective work and deleting BP and everything but the kitchen sink out of the Project - the problem was the kitchen sink, the free Epic ShooterGamePack Particles:
don't have those tho
lol
remote roost
alright
leaden garnet
Now that you mention it I get those hiccups frequently...
remote roost
ye it's annoying as fuck because sometimes I can't tell if I programmed something poorly and it's causing a memory leak
lol
leaden garnet
I get those hiccups in a codeless project while placing stuff into the level
plush yew
260mb for a dynamic lighted map
what the hell....
grim sinew
landscapes are big
hollow crescent
@obsidian nimbus Yeah now I remember why I bought a book: the online docs are always outdated or don't work. This isn't the first one I've found.
https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-us/Programming/QuickStart?utm_source=launcher&utm_medium=ue&utm_campaign=uelearn
nvm
grim sinew
The docs are more up to date than a 4 year old book
grim ore
what is that effect that really blurs the game when you turn in a heavy alpha area. Its not motion blur itself, I almost want to say its an AA setting that does it. It's almost like the game is smearing or lagging behind in rendering if that makes sense.
remote roost
the c++ docs also have less content than a kindergarten book
hollow crescent
@remote roost havent had a look, i just trusted itd be worth it. any suggestions?
grim sinew
Temporal AA causes stuff like that sometimes.
grim ore
That was my thought as well
uneven fractal
Can post process volumes blend instead of the one with higher priority disabling all the others?
remote roost
@hollow crescent The UE4 docs mainly have focus on Blueprint as they want people new to programming to be able to jump in with relative ease and get around with lots of hand holding, so the C++ docs have taken a hit because of that. It's good for finding stuff like the IWYU headers but for actual implementation it's lacking
astral marsh
guys
can anybody help
me
for making my crowbar destroying the
plank
any tutorials?
tepid bronze
Dunno if this is the right place to ask this, but can someone please help me get global illumination to work? Do you still have to mess with the .ini file or is it on by default?
tepid bronze
Sorry, I meant real time. Not baked lighting.
honest vale
there's no such thing in UE 4
tepid bronze
Uh... what?
honest vale
only option you have is light propagation volumes
but they're crap, slow and really short range
and they only do one bounce
tepid bronze
Oooooh. Apparently DFGI was abandoned. That's what I was referring to. Was gonna see if it had any significant progress made.
Nope. 😦
honest vale
yea that was abandoned years ago
for a good reason imo
considering how slow simple DFAO is
"simple"
frank escarp
@honest vale slow enough to run at 60 fps on ps4 base
honest vale
what, in fortnite?
the cost is still measured in milliseconds
it is relatively slow
tepid bronze
So can anyone point me in a decent direction to learn about hyper realistic lighting?
grim sinew
tepid bronze
Thanks. I'll check it out. 😄
safe solstice
Is steam the only major platform for creators to publish games? If not can someone link me?
safe solstice
Thank you
cloud cobalt
Mostly Steam has 80% market share and GOG 20%
itch isn't known to generate sales
GOG picks their games too
So Steam is usually the only choice
plush yew
what should i select for unreal engine i7-8700K or Ryzen 7 2700x ?
tall pendant
does gog actually has 20% market share? 😄
frank escarp
@plush yew you gonna do programming?
remote roost
hmmm, I've been pretty hard strict on just using C++ and only using blueprint when it would be like 10x harder to do something in C++, but it is pretty fun to tie shit into blueprint using C++ I have to admit
tall pendant
for code / lightbuilding i think the ryzen would be the better choice
for gaming almost nothing beats the 8700k in that range imho
wary wave
I'd be surprised if GoG's market share was anywhere near 5%, let alone 20
they don't give out a lot of numbers, but they've apparently sold 0.75M units of the Witcher 3 on GoG, which compares with 5M on Steam - but that's just one game, and it's their own
so even for their own game, they only sold less than 20% of copies on their own platform
cloud cobalt
True
What I really meant was - if your game happens to be on GOG you might have 20% there
Because it offers much more visibility
wary wave
a game like the Witcher 3 doesn't exactly suffer from visibility issues though
I mean, maybe you'd get more on GoG simply by being there and being visible
but I'd hazard a guess people are much less likely to buy incidentally discovered games through a non-Steam platform
cloud cobalt
Humble sells but you're also very likely to have half the keys resold on G2A after the fact
teal tulip
Steam > Humble Bundle > GOG > Every single store on the net with discounts > Itch.io
Itch developers don't even calculate the sales price based on the VAT
as result the games on sale are even more expensive than the same game on Steam at no discount
cloud cobalt
I think we agree that itch is worthless economically
teal tulip
Told they, but these guys give a shit
wary wave
if you sell a copy of a game on Humble, you've sold a copy of a game, so tbh, who cares if it gets sold on G2A afterwards?
cloud cobalt
@wary wave You mean unit sale, or bundle sale ?
wary wave
either
cloud cobalt
Was thinking of bundles here
wary wave
because you've agreed to the terms of the Humble sale already
teal tulip
I'm talking about no Bundles Store from Humble aswell the Widgets that every single indie add on their web
cloud cobalt
Bundles aren't a great deal, you're going to sell at -80% for a high chance to have the key resold and undercutting you
cloud cobalt
Well yeah, I'm just saying it's not 100% a good idea
teal tulip
People use the Humble Widget in their web, the wiki says was the 5% split Humble / Developer
wary wave
but the whole indie devs complaining about Humble keys being sold on other storefronts after the fact is massively disingenuous
you sold the game at the price you agreed to sell it at
teal tulip
well, if you sell the game at Humble Store and Steam at same price, they can take as many keys as they want
wary wave
I also don't believe many Humble keys actually end up on key sites anyway
mass purchasing Humble keys isn't exactly easy
cloud cobalt
Yeah I'm not saying you should complain about resale on bundles, I'm saying you should expect it as par for the course
safe solstice
I don't want any money atm, I just want a way to beta my game privately with a few friends and colleagues.
Will humble or GOG do that?
whole quarry
you can do that on itch too
safe solstice
Thank you, I'm new to this if you can't tell lol.
cloud cobalt
GOG won't
GOG is the hardest store to get on
For private sharing you might as well use dropbox or something 😃
tall pendant
Itch or Steam offer feature for alpha/beta testing
buoyant pine
Hey everyone!
I got a question about class variables, and I posted it in the blueprint channel, if anyone knows about the subject or is willing to help, do check it out
thank you!
cloud cobalt
@tall pendant On Steam you'll need to pay $100 before that though
tall pendant
@cloud cobalt Oh. He asked for free options? Totally missed that.
cedar snow
like strict curation vs. open flood gates
cloud cobalt
He didn't, but he said it was for playing around with friends
Guessing $100 is a but much for that
rose quartz
Can i Disable with error From Generated with a pragma ?
cloud cobalt
@cedar snow Way less games, strict curation, we actually can't get there ourselves 😃
cedar snow
uh ok 😦
cloud cobalt
Steam does minimal checking, manually reviews your store page, ensures your game runs on a clean Windows machine, and has a third party review your tax status for real companies
itch is fully open
cedar snow
https://www.gog.com/indie
amazing, no listed requirements, nothing
cloud cobalt
Yeah, they don't require anything - just mail them, wait two months for feedback, if you have a great game you might get through
cedar snow
do they actually tell you why your game didn't make the cut?
cloud cobalt
In our case, they said it was a bit rough around the edges and too small
tall pendant
tho on Steam we already had "games" without an executable
so my guess is Valve doesn't check at all
cedar snow
that's at least some feedback
cloud cobalt
@tall pendant Valve really does check your executable
You can have your store page up without one, sure
Once you upload it and ask for their confirmation (required for release), they'll test that it does run
We failed the first test because one of the VS redist was missing
cloud cobalt
Valve requires a working game, a store page that's not misleading, and a real tax status if applicable - they're serious about that, the rest they don't care
@tall pendant Dunno how that happened - they might have had the game working at one point and then removed it
All I can say is that Valve does check once before you can actually sell your game
I can also confirm that Valve does not check any subsequent update, so there's that
sudden agate
i've just read the thread about Quats in Blueprint and how everyone bashed Epic for stripping functionality away from Blueprints :o
cloud cobalt
Epic simply doesn't use quats all that much
So they probably never even saw the need
leaden dust
can anyone help me with blender
whole quarry
@leaden dust why the IGN tag?
leaden dust
@whole quarry I usually am in game discords so I put that there for that, I forget to change usernames
sudden agate
would like to have everything exposed to blueprint (except helper functions)
whole quarry
so no Imagine Games Network affiliation?
whole quarry
by redoing the topology
cloud cobalt
@leaden dust Well, might want to have this triangle-junction not be a junction
Really, you might want to avoid 45° angles alltogether on a car mesh
cloud cobalt
Yeah, that's fine, we all start somewhere 😃
Locally, at the face level, faces should look basically like squares
leaden dust
kk
whole quarry
@leaden dust check out this series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi87Dap_WOc
It will address those basics 😃
cloud cobalt
Then you need to look at reference topology solutions - people figured out plenty of ideal solutions to usual nasty problems
leaden dust
@cloud cobalt srry was doing something
thx for the help
I actually have done the above tutorial
till the texturing part
I don't really like texturing and stuff so I let my friend handle that
cloud cobalt
Finally, be careful with your polygons - try using as less as you can. This isn't about optimization - it's about having surfaces you can change easily. Your care seems fairly dense right now, I think plenty of loops could go.
cerulean nova
Any 3D Artists wants to team up ? 😬
cloud cobalt