shrink it
#ue4-general
quiet harness
fervent pendant
in unreal?
quiet harness
ye
fierce tulip
or reset xforms in your 3d program
quiet harness
um rip
LogModuleManager: Warning: No filename provided for module TcpMessaging
LogModuleManager: Warning: ModuleManager: Unable to load module 'TcpMessaging' because the file 'C:/Program Files/Epic Games/UE_4.18/Engine/Binaries/Win64/' was not found.
wtf do I do about this lol
cant find anything on the internet about it
should I try deleting binaries
cursive dirge
@quiet harness enable TCP plugin
quiet harness
I thought I had it enabled
now I know why my game has been crashing for a week lol
fervent pendant
Guys, can someone tell me why when i export 2 things as one fbx one is big one is small?
same fbx
fierce tulip
you already asked that, and I told you to clean up xforms in your 3d program
remote matrix
A quick UI question: How can you override the snap grid in something like the blend space axis graph? For example: You have a 1D blend space axis from 0 to 375 with the default grid line count of 4. How can I place an element in a spot not on a grid line (like at 80)? In other apps, I'm used to using a modifier key (like Ctrl) to enable placement off of a grid line (Yes, I know I can define 375 grid lines but I was looking for a more sensible solution than that).
quiet harness
my ads wont load
fervent pendant
@fierce tulip It has to do with socket
fossil ore
Is there a way to get rid of the bones with "_end" ?
I'm using Blender and... I don't know how to export skeletal mesh without it.
zenith flower
For the love of god, my eyes are just fine! Is there a way to turn off comment bubbles? Shit is set to default, and i'm getting tired of turning off "show bubble" like im blind or something
searching for bubble in preferences didnt show anything
opal ocean
@fossil ore when exporting FBX, under armature I think, theres a checkbox for "add leaf bones" I think you need to uncheck that
I've been unchecking it and havent seen any _end bones
...that I recall. (I dont really look)
My current project might end up being a co-op game. Is there a faq of things to be aware of when starting a MP project? I havent done any multiplayer yet
quiet harness
does anyone know some causes for ads not loading? I'm like 99% positive I set them up right
opal ocean
ads are evil. 😃
quiet harness
you mean like trying to get them to work or putting them in is an evil deed?
opal ocean
putting them in
quiet harness
oh they arent popups
they are reward ads
"Watch this ad and to continue your game"
literally a 10 second image ad
since actual reward ads dont worki
opal ocean
...watch this ad, to be able to continue playing? 😦
quiet harness
yeah its an arcade game
like watch an ad to respawn and keep your score
or start over
fossil ore
@opal ocean Thanks
quiet harness
I also might put a non-distractive banner in the bottom of the menu
opal ocean
personally.
fossil ore
I've spent several hours trying to figure out, how to retarget animation from one rig to another.
Needless to say, the time I spent on finding a way was worth it.
plush yew
Reward ads are a good way to do it 👍
fossil ore
I did it inside BLENDER (Although the UE4 is very close to the original.... arms are a bit wonky)
livid haven
O hai excalibro.
quiet harness
Why isn't this working?
zenith flower
oh god.... you know you're f***** when the error is in the ubergraph....
worn granite
Heh. Can you jump to the error?
worn granite
You normally can't get to it
zenith flower
worn granite
So take it all in
zenith flower
I don't know if I should feel special, or just specially fuc****
worn granite
WhyNotBoth
zenith flower
Why in that case, UE4 why don't I bend over, and save you a step? xD
I'm about to strip out all replication and start over
worn granite
yeah uh....
I've never had an error in my ubergraph I don't think.
its possible you could fix that by triggering a rebuild
zenith flower
eh, I've got bigger issues than that. Just need to gather myself and see if #multiplayer has the time and patience... This is a highly bp/inherited system... Miss a single check box and it wont work kinda thing.
worn granite
Yikes
worn granite
I don't think I'm gonna be touching that with a 10 ft pole
zenith flower
I can add a new module, character, component ect very easily.
I even cheated and used asset manager to find bp's in certain folders (and recursively) of certain class, for automatic sorting and array population without hardcoding every new asset. I can duplicate a weapon and its just there
I have to bake those assets into the game manually, but im fine with that
quiet harness
why doesnt this work wtf
zenith flower
Is this game ready for release??
mint raptor
Trying the VAX trial and it has slowed down my typing by a lot
remote matrix
A quick UI question: How can you override the snap grid in something like the blend space axis graph? For example: You have a 1D blend space axis from 0 to 375 with the default grid line count of 4. How can I place an element in a spot not on a grid line (like at 80)? In other apps, I'm used to using a modifier key (like Ctrl) to enable placement off of a grid line (Yes, I know I can define 375 grid lines but I was looking for a more sensible solution than that).
fervent pendant
guys i found on google that if i set the play rate of an animation to --1 it will play in reverse but when i do it actually it doesn't matter if it's negative or positive it does jut accelerate the playrate
Any ideas why it doesn't play in reverse?
man it's hard to find help with unreal engine >.<
mint raptor
@fervent pendant yup, wish I had an answer for ya though but I don't know.
fervent pendant
np man, 2-3 hours i'll find out LUL
livid haven
Oh, we going?
Er... that's not who I thought it was, that's not the acronym I though it was, and this isn't the right chat.
mint raptor
Have fun wherever you are going! Or might be going to
livid haven
Thanks. 😛
hidden heart
bring me back a souvenir!
livid haven
It might be beer, for your pizza.
hidden heart
I am Pizza, but I'll still accept it gladly
fervent pendant
Aye found it yayaya
finite sleet
Where do I have to go to get some support for my account. I cannot sign in due to the fact I am not receiving any two factor authentication codes.
livid haven
What happens if you go here and click Epic Account? https://www.epicgames.com/customer-service
finite sleet
It asks for me to sign in. Which I cannot do.
livid haven
Hmmm
finite sleet
The only email system I have found was through the Fortnight support system.
I sent one last Friday. Haven't gotten anything back except the message received emails. I sent another today.
livid haven
There are others, but I'm trying to find an e-mail address you can use.
finite sleet
Ok thanks.
manic vault
unreal is gay
quiet harness
does anyone know how to fix problems with ads there is no help for my problem online
livid haven
@manic vault You uh... having an issue there?
finite sleet
My guess is yes?
manic vault
no
hidden heart
i dont think unreal has a sexuality @manic vault
finite sleet
Sadly not. 😦
hidden heart
does ue4 even have a gender?
weary basalt
@manic vault If you dont like Unreal then move on. Your comment was unnecessary
livid haven
If you wanted to get linguistically technical, UE4 is probably obligated to have a gender in languages that don't have a neuter form.
IE: In Spanish, if you want to say "The Unreal Engine", you're going to be forced to choose between masculine or feminine pronouns. 🤷
finite sleet
😛
livid haven
And it's a proper noun, so you don't translate "Unreal" and "Engine".
quiet harness
it says sha1 fingerprint invalid on the google dev console but its not
livid haven
I know it was a joke, but the funny part is the answer is ultimately, obligatorily, yes. 😛 And it's also not necessarily consistent among different languages, so multiple "yes"es.
Grammatical gender complicates the hell out of localization, compared to English where we mostly don't gender inanimate objects, by default.
finite sleet
I can imagine that being a pain.
livid haven
Very.
Grammatical gender and grammatical number are the two biggest pains. I guess the third one, with no particular order, is honorifics.
finite sleet
Things you don't think about, since you are so used to your language.
livid haven
Yep.
hidden heart
lmao
finite sleet
I don't want to be a bother, but I was just wondering if you were able to find that email I could use to get into contact with Unreal Support.
hidden heart
im throughly enjoying this deep dive
livid haven
Oh, sorry, I did not. :X
Also late enough in the day that I've got no one at HQ I could ping (that I know)
finite sleet
Thanks for your help. I can ask again tomorrow or Monday when more people are probably there.
still pilot
Hey everyone
hidden heart
hello
finite sleet
Hey.
livid haven
VGH
weary basalt
@manic vault Stop please.
zenith flower
In English its perfectly fine to refer to your truck as "she", while a female may refer to her vehicle as "he"
Guys will also refer to their boats as she
Guy 1: Whats wrong with the car?
Guy 2: She's being a b*
xD
finite sleet
😛
manic vault
lmao
livid haven
@zenith flower Sure, but that's not actual inherent grammatical gender, that's personification.
unique halo
grizzled wren
I am New to ue4 and i have seen multiplayer tutorial That connect with stean but for mobile Any suggestion or tutorial
midnight spear
At the top of the stat unit graph there is a line that says budget, can someone point me in the direction of some documentation for that.
desert bronze
Alright im not really sure where to go for this but i wanted to start learning the unreal engine 4 after having a bit of time learning c++ in school. Well when i make a new project and of course visual studio will open up. But then when i try and make a new class, it will open up another instance of visual studio and display a kind of error message. Very much the same as this post---https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/720259/ue4-opening-new-instances-of-visual-studio.html
im not sure what to do about the error.
i did try the solution from the response by Dune but it didn't really work
is this a common issue other people are having?
fervent pendant
do you guys know any way to reimport new animations only from a fbx?
I just noticed last comments all are questions but noone answer lol
👌
karmic igloo
I have a question: In your opinion, what is the minimum requirements for working with UE4.
regal mulch
Depending on what you do with the engine, a better gaming pc is usually enough
Means an up to date GPU,CPU and 16 to 32 GB ram. Then an SSD or M2 to speed things up and an HDD for bigger files.
night wigeon
By the way, why all of my new WD Gold HDDs are slowing unreal when it's loading small textures?
I've read an article that it all because of bad Allocation Unit Size, not sure why it's affecting on performance tho
regal mulch
@ＨＥＮＴＡＩ ＨＯＭＯＳＥＸＵＡＬ#6214 Since I can't PM you: Would you please adjust your username? We usually don't mind what username you peeps choose, but we would like to keep it above a specific standard.
Can't even tag them
-_-
worn granite
not being able to tag probably has more to do with discord's tagging bug than their name
@night wigeon
regal mulch
Fair enough
night wigeon
Sorry, can't change nickname on specific servers for some reason.
regal mulch
Can you even have specific nicknames in different servers at all?
As far as I can see I have the same nick everywhere
worn granite
you can have a different nick for each server
provided you can set a nick in that server
night wigeon
Yeah, actually you can
regal mulch
I can force change your nickname. What would you like to have
Or actually can I
Hm
night wigeon
Well, I prefer nickname that i use on forum: k1264
worn granite
jw, did you pick AICharacter rather than AIController in respect to the subreddit?
regal mulch
I picked AICharacter cause I found it funny
worn granite
Oh
regal mulch
Didn't even know about the AIController
But yeah, sure, in respect to subreddit cough
night wigeon
Not bad, really, I thought mods can't change nicknames. Only restrict from changing names or allow
worn granite
The subreddit's CSS replaces Automoderator to AIController
manic vault
hey guys, I have an animation skeleton that's smaller than the original mesh skeleton and it's squishing the mesh as a result. I can't seem to scale it in maya cause the animation just resets to its original size
manic vault
ok
regal mulch
@worn granite Ah well, good to know
I also kinda missed to name him AAICharacter. Can change that but the actual name stays
worn granite
Sure, I wasn't proposing a change, just wondering
regal mulch
The joke goes as far as him printing AAICharacter::BeginPlay() when booting up >.<
(I'm a terrible and unfunny person)
Na, that change came from my end
:P Don't worry
gray basin
who wants to animate for free
worn granite
So my plugin idea is viable.
gray basin
I got free blender add on in return
worn granite
I'm pretty excited now
night wigeon
So, what should I do about that problem with WDs? I'm like bought them only for unreal and their reading speed is really slow. About 2-5MB/s or so
Guess that also could be problem of current sata controller, but still..
regal mulch
I would generally only use HDDs for saving bigger projects
And move the Engine to an M2 or simple SSD
Then it shouldn't slow it down anymore
Mine is currently running on my HDD and I hate it obviously
But moving in 3 weeks, so don't want to buy new PC stuff yet
And that only happens when loading small textures?
Not sure if you can do something about that
night wigeon
Yes, problem only occurs if project has small files in general
gray basin
who wants to help on a crash game
plush yew
hi
night wigeon
@paper kernel But y'know, they are new. Bought them week ago and there shoudn't be any fragmentation I think
plush yew
I'm trying to create simple landscape material
and can't understand how layer blending works
I mean, It would be fine if there is some kind of math expression that describes it
paper kernel
I mean, there are difference between hdd models too, some are optimized for long term storage, others are for daily use
like, security system drives are probably slow but super reliable
night wigeon
Model is WD2005FBYZ. Check it why it's slowing down like hell.
plush yew
So, can someone help me?
paper kernel
Applications Enterprise servers and storage systems; mission-critical applications needing reliable, robust high capacity storage; high-end surveillance and industrial applications; long product life cycle and managed PCN. says the drive manual
night wigeon
@plush yew What do intend to do with layers? There a page on unreal's wiki, look and see what type of blending you really need
Damn
paper kernel
so no it's not a performance drive as such, but I'd double check on the drive settings before you slap any more data on it
regal mulch
Yeah I think layer blending, to a specific degree, is explained
You could have a look at that cartoony scene they have
On the launcher
They blend the stones, grass and dirt there iirc
paper kernel
or software like crystaldiskmark to see are the sequential reads and writes within spec speeds
regal mulch
Hm, we don't have a hardware talk here
Otherwise I would move you peeps over to there
paper kernel
I'm done with HW talk
regal mulch
No it's fine, not your fault
plush yew
@regal mulch is there blending formula?
night wigeon
Yeah, sorry if that too off topic
regal mulch
@plush yew I'm not an artist, sorry. Just check the landscape of said project
plush yew
@night wigeon thnx, refresh my my memory
night wigeon
Also, don't forget that UE isn't Unity, so you can't apply and draw by it that easy. Layers are for bump mapping imo, but it's all up to you.
fossil ore
Is there a way to "move" camera up while I edit thumbnail?
regal mulch
Where?
regal mulch
Might be that you can only zoom and rotate
fossil ore
yeah
but most of the time It zooms in the center of the object (which isnt good for characters)
regal mulch
Well my gf created a thumbnail creator
You could use that if you want
Would need to compile it by yourself though iirc
Don't know if that thing is actively setting the thumbnail though
fierce tulip
@fossil ore i think you can move up,lemme try
regal mulch
How do you edit the thumbnail anyway?
fierce tulip
view options > edit thumbnail mode
fierce tulip
nah no up/down sadly
manic vault
anyone know how to permanently scale mesh?
google says change it in build settings but i can't find it anymore
fossil ore
hmm I did that once
@manic vault Resize the model in viewport, then RMB then click convert to static mesh.
manic vault
what if I need it to be a moveable mesh @fossil ore
tranquil bone
Just wondering what would i look up to make sky islands or just islands in general like worlds adrift islands but you can mine into the surface of them?
plush yew
Hey guys! Here's a noob question, hopefully it's not too obvious. Does the length of the name of a save file significantly affect loading times when you've got a save format that utilizes many save files (such as a chunk-based world)?
@tranquil bone Chunk-based worlds, sparse voxel octrees, dual contouring, procedural generation, minecraft-like game tutorials
Look up all of those things
plush yew
Doesn't have to be, but I was assuming that'd be a related topic
since dynamically generated environments generally lend themselves to that sort of things
*thing
tranquil bone
ah okay
ive tried to do that ive done the spwaning of the islands but not generation of the islands them selfs
plush yew
There's really a world of possibility out there once you break past the first hurdle of getting to know the engine
tranquil bone
Can you define what you using "Procedural generation" as since are you meaing its creating assets or what?
plush yew
Well procedural generation is using algorithms to generate new content at runtime. It can be anything, music, environments, pictures, etc.
plush yew
Really, you can do almost anything in Unreal
It'd just be up to you to write code for it.
tranquil bone
Hmm i didnt know you could od that in unreal
plush yew
I'm currently working on an open world game with procedurally generated environments and voxel terrain.
plush yew
It's definitely possible, but you have to write a LOT of code yourself.
And no, voxels can be fine
algorithms like dual countouring let you convert voxel data into smooth terrain
lemme show you a screenshot
tranquil bone
Okay thanks
plush yew
this for example
not mine, mind you
but this is an example of dual contouring used to generate a smooth mesh from voxel data
as you can see, it's very pretty
tranquil bone
yea its quite nice tbh i dont know if its correct though
plush yew
I'm not entirely sure if it's a good idea to start off at this kinda level of complexity but honestly I'm not the one to judge. I jumped into my open world project a year ago with barely any knowledge of code let alone procgen techniques
Correct how?
tranquil bone
Since my game is more building to more islands and trying to sustain the world but also growing the amount of resources like a game called eco but the end goal is try to populate every island with human or sentient life
plush yew
Well if you got a voxel setup going, you can generate islands, sure
its all about how you tune your generation
lyric owl
what sort of suffix I can add to a model that doesn't have uv's ?
plush yew
Like just naming it?
plush yew
yeah it's pretty straightforward
manic vault
apparently changing meters to cm in maya made the mesh significantly bigger
i scaled the bones 100x though and it does'nt matter @fossil ore
in maya
fossil ore
What matter is importing
Scroll down to the bottom of the import settings and set scale
lyric owl
is it bad to have small objects like 2 cm in size?
manic vault
@fossil ore worked. ty
@lyric owl depends how much memory you're using and what you want to accomplish
crystal lotus
How do i connect an Animation to a Code?
Maybe that won't make sense but what I want is to have my character open a door by press E but having the character hand touch the door.
If possible can it be in C++. Can anyone help?
manic vault
@crystal lotus You have to expose functions in c++ with a specific UE4 macro then have the bp call the function
a simple way to do that is to set up an animation notification for the time that the character's hand touches the door
have the anim notif call the c++ function
crystal lotus
@manic vault How would I do that?
My door opens and closes now but only by a TriggerVolume which i learnt from a Unreal course. I want to get rid of the TriggerVolume and make my character open the door by hand.
manic vault
expose functions in c++ and have your blueprint call them
when ur character is in range and presses e, have the bp call the c++ function
analog pollen
Do you guys know how to use properly the navmesh thing
modern kite
Can someone help me? I'm in editor version 4.17 and i can't open Animations help is really appreciated cause if i can't open them my whole project and work of 1 year is lost then
Its even not for that project its even for the whole version
crystal lotus
@manic vault Thanks I understand now 😃
sacred dune
hey guys! is there any way to select all the actors in the hierarchy list
the only way i can select all the child/descendant its to hold shift...
analog pollen
ctrl + a
modern kite
@analog pollen have you ever expierenced my bug on the top?
sacred dune
ctrl A select all
analog pollen
yea
analog pollen
Whole engine
modern kite
ok its a try thanks for the answer but will then my project be deleted too?@analog pollen
analog pollen
I think you should copy it like on usb stick in case
modern kite
ok
lean gale
Hello, is there a way for highresshot to work with a HTML5 build? I'd like users to be able to download a screenshot.
(doesn't have to be that command really, if there's another way)
mint raptor
So sound notifies seem pretty straight forward. I've done them before but its been a while. Doing it now and I'm not hearing anything as my dudes animation plays. Also if someone could tell me if this belongs more in #animation or #audio and I'll go there.
mint raptor
Wow so even going back to the sound notifies I did get working and changing their cue file, it plays the same old one? What is going on?
quiet harness
I've asked thrice and nobody answered, so I will ask again, is there any reason as to why ads aren't working even though I set it up right? Should ads work when I just package and install straight from my computer?
mint raptor
Never messed with ads, sorry
oh crap I think it might be because of the difference between 1st person and 3rd person, dope
willow pelican
Hey. Is it possible to set value of float/vector at specific keyframe from outside of timeline? I'd like to set world location of a billboard to timeline vector
mint umbra
Hey guys, anyone have a recommended workflow to generate patches of different materials on my landscape? I already have slopes and height masked out, but I want variation in the grass, i.e. mud, flowers, etc. I already have a system which generates such a mask, but I'm finding it impossible to remove the landscape grass from the masked layer. Feel free to DM me if you have some suggestions
patent siren
Just uh
desert bronze
Alright im not really sure where to go for this but i wanted to start learning the unreal engine 4 after having a bit of time learning c++ in school. Well when i make a new project and of course visual studio will open up. But then when i try and make a new class, it will open up another instance of visual studio and display a kind of error message. Very much the same as this post---https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/720259/ue4-opening-new-instances-of-visual-studio.html
regal mulch
Just close the old instance
Or set "Autocompile c++ classes" to false in your EditorSettings
desert bronze
Alright ill try that
plush yew
Has anyone got SLI working in engine?
wary wave
UE4 doesn't support SLI
wary wave
yeah, VRWorks might in future, but I wouldn't count on it being kept particularly up to date
the nVidia branches aren't great like that
plush yew
Damn. Why does no one support sli
sudden agate
Is there a list of features Forward vs Deferred?
plush yew
This article is pretty good
https://gamedevelopment.tutsplus.com/articles/forward-rendering-vs-deferred-rendering--gamedev-12342
sudden agate
I know what the difference between Forward/Deferred in general is though.
plush yew
Then what are you looking for
sudden agate
I was talking about the actual features that work with Forward/Deferred. I.e SSAO works Deferred, but not with Forward etc.
An overview, what Features I can use would be nice
plush yew
Basically, if it's screen space, don't expect it to be in Forward
plush yew
@wary wave I thought 4.15 at least added AFR
vale osprey
Not exactly like that
Crysis was forward render but with ton of post-process
It’s just that most of them where based on depth
UE4 does the same afaik but for example ssao implementation that they use, can’t work only on depth
And reason why SLI is rarely supported is because:
- it’s rarely used on end user PCs
- doesn’t exist on consoles
- requires separate approach for optimizing your rendering to be SLI friendly
urban meadow
has anyone exported paragon characters? most seem fine to export as fbx, but countess and shinbi won't seem to export the mesh, i get the skeleton but that's it
honest vale
@plush yew AO sure as hell works in forward too
UE 3 was forward and it had AO
games have had SSAO for years
it's not exlusive to deferred
I think pretty much all forward renderers do a depth pre-pass so then they can do SSAO easily
along with other stuff
grim sinew
There are even UE4 builds by people in this discord that get SSAO in forward. That effect works perfectly fine like that.
It's just there's a difference between getting SSAO in forward and getting SSAO fast enough for VR, which is why you're probably using forward in the first place.
pallid compass
yeah VR is so god dam expensive rn
imagine when we actually get clear vr at like 2k a lens like jesus
gonna be even more costly
upbeat tendon
Has VR got much traction?
pallid compass
vive is 1440 right?
ud be lucky to break even on vr games honestly
well its not impossible
but market is small
still alot of growth to go
upbeat tendon
I remember when they were pushing vr in the 90s
It just dont get the appeal of a headset
upbeat tendon
No. I have nowhere for it to go
pallid compass
Its very immersive if u dont get motion sick
But its something u kninda gotta try to understand
upbeat tendon
I am sure it is
pallid compass
too expensive
x2 the cost of a console for a vive
and nvm the hardware u need to run it
upbeat tendon
Even if it was chwap
plush yew
@honest vale I would love to know how. VR sucks without AO
honest vale
oh you meant in UE 4, I was talking in general sense 😄
plush yew
Any way at all to get AO in ue4 forward, or do I have to go to something like HBAO+ with VRWorks (an use vrworks deffered with hbao+)
I'm trying these different things, but compiling editors takes a lot of time
6700k has spent 30 minutes so far on the vrworks 4.18 branch
pallid compass
ask Vblanco when he is around
latent moth
Does it make any sense to adopt first person animations and blend them separately (clavicle L and clavicle R) so as to have a better stable experience in a multiplayer game that shows a character's own body?
notably all 3rd person animations are not particularly playable when in first person
grim sinew
Do not use one animation for third and first person. Star Citizen learned that the hard way
Making two animations is actually less work
frosty bloom
A good way to go about it would be to use FirstPerson Animations for the one controlling the Pawn and have other players see the ThirdPerson animations. OwnerNoSee and vice versa works great for stuff like that.
thorny cipher
Anyone getting editor hitches when using stat in 4.19.1
Anyone on 4.19 can verify? just tried in a blank project
languid umbra
When adding content to a project is there any way to change to default location. im sick of having to move everything to another folder after i add it.
thorny cipher
navigate to the folder and import it from there
languid umbra
where does it store marketplace content?
i found it but import seems to only wanna do 1 asset at a time not the entire folder
pallid compass
aparently 19.1 is buggy af rn
safe rose
We are small fry
polar hawk
We're that shit you gotta scrape off the fry fryer at the end of the day
Sometimes used for fuel in bio-engines
Mainly just thrown into a drain though
pallid compass
we are but the dirt epic uses for compost
cursive dirge
at the same time UE4 devs say that LTS releases wouldn't be needed for UE4 
gray basin
why people don't like rev share
cursive dirge
people tend to be cheap
worn granite
I don't like it because it ties my income directly to other's abilities, and delays it until after release. If I trust the people on a project and can afford to not have income for an entire cycle its a different story than some random project that has no budget.
gray basin
who wants to animate my model
gray basin
do you animator ?
cursive dirge
nope, but I can explain why people don't like rev share on random projects
worn granite
It doesn't matter, but no.
cursive dirge
rev share of $0 sales, is $0
worn granite
You have to overcome me not trusting a bunch of random people to make something that brings in a dollar
cursive dirge
and that's true to 99% of these rev share projects
people usually prefer to get paid for their work
worn granite
Convince me that its not going to flop.
cursive dirge
therefore, they don't want to rev share
gray basin
But I don't have the cash right now
cursive dirge
that's not the animators issue
gray basin
who can animate that model ?
cursive dirge
lol
worn granite
oh boy
cursive dirge
you are going crash bandicoot clone and want someone to do rev share for the work
cursive dirge
worn granite
I'll learn animation, this is a fantastic idea
guys how are you not jumping at this
Cannot wait to have to explain that in every interview where I show it on my nonexistent portfolio
gray basin
yeah crash bandicoot is @cursive dirge selling good right
cursive dirge
you are trolling, right?
rustic panther
oh man I jump at every revshare opportunity
cursive dirge
you can't just steal others IPs
worn granite
I mean you can, but don't expect people to jump on that for revshare
rustic panther
those are just too good to let go by
gray basin
and even posted on the facebook group
worn granite
That's great, but we're explaining why nobody is joining you
If you want the reality of why you can't get an animator, read what we're saying.
gray basin
I got modellers and coders and all I need left is animatorss
worn granite
Revshare with unproven devs doesn't go anywhere, and you're getting as close as you think you can to just copying somebody else's IP.
If you find people who jump on that, fantastic.
But that's what we're saying.
cursive dirge
@gray basin please stop DM'ing me, I don't work with people who don't respects others intellectual property
gray basin
it is a fan game
gray basin
what do you do instead ?
rustic panther
a fan gamr doesn't make sales
gray basin
no cash in it tho
cursive dirge
besides, fan game or not doesn't make it right
worn granite
You aren't going to convince anybody who has the stance I do, that you're just making a harmless little fan game.
worn granite
What do I do instead? Iunno, other stuff that benefits me in some way and doesn't try to piss off platform holders
cursive dirge
I've seen people getting C&D letters
gray basin
yeah some were working on it since 2013
worn granite
In any case I'm not arguing this point further, read what I wrote or stay confused
gray basin
but there was no issues
cinder iron
I got C&D. I can tell you everything about it. Just don't.
cursive dirge
@gray basin your fan game has a website with your contact info?
cinder iron
Look for Galaxy in Turmoil C&D ~
cursive dirge
I can link it Sony legal, see how fast they respond
cinder iron
I do, still work on that, another story, another universe.
cinder iron
We look for people, but we are cautious about it, its hard to get volunteers and we know it.
worn granite
Yeah, and at the time I just couldn't
cursive dirge
few minutes ago you were asking for people on rev share
worn granite
I think that was after the C&D
cursive dirge
now it's volunteers
worn granite
Is it vol now?
cinder iron
We are still volunteering, but there are future plans, dev is being relaxed, half time, and for the most part, things are settled. But thats just a part of the process... There is still plenty of work to do, that will come after the funding, but to get tue funding we have to present a product, so there we are.
cursive dirge
oh
I mixed vorixo and 4wrath for a minute
both had same length nicknames and both talked about fan games, my bad
cinder iron
:< I mean, we got C&D... Hence why we are no longer a fan game
We were at some point.
By the time we didnt even have a good management...
gray basin
@vorixo#7101 what was the fan game
cinder iron
Already mentioned the title
cinder iron
Anyways, just to throw a conclusion. Don't make a game if you don't have the rights.
No matter what game it is, crash, crosh crish, crush...
And no, I only write text on an IDE and press keys to see what happens
gray basin
@pallid compass can you animate
cursive dirge
you didn't read?
gray basin
as long as I
pallid compass
ye
gray basin
don't make cash it will be fine
cursive dirge
he said they get away because others have done it on youtube
not the place I'd turn into for legal advice
pallid compass
say that again but not in south African
gray basin
pallid compass
@gray basin
gray basin
here watch that video channel
pallid compass
no
cursive dirge
patreon? 😄
pallid compass
all i see is
cinder iron
I mean, you have a guy here, sitting down in front of a computer, with a C&D case on his history recommending you to not do it.
pallid compass
"im an idiot and i want money for stepping on someone's IP"
can u imagine what the crash ip people would actually do
if they made money off that lmao
C&D so hard
maybe even a law suit for making cash off there ip
and "damaging" it
and all that crap
gray basin
they were on this since 2013
pallid compass
and the bigger u get the more chance of c&d
cursive dirge
4wrath: don't make cash it will be fine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LblRFkJE7Hw
gray basin
and activision knows about it it
cursive dirge
yeah, not what that video says
pallid compass
the second that starts making money
they are coming for ur ass
because thats there money
pallid compass
i never said it was
gray basin
and they use UDK
cinder iron
Galaxy in Turmoil wasnt making money neither!
pallid compass
does not matter what they use
cinder iron
And it got C&D !
gray basin
it really depends on the owner of the IP if they are kind
gray basin
what happend if you ignore a C&D by the way
pallid compass
the people who own the IP for crash
are prob people at the top of the company
not some lucky go indie people
and a business is a business
gray basin
jail time ?
cinder iron
I cannot tell you anything else to convince you, I'm done. If you ignore a C&D you get sued and you'll lose.
pallid compass
and good bye to every penny u have ever owned
gray basin
IP owners are in US
gray basin
law are different and they enforce it
pallid compass
u think ur immune then your an idiot
pallid compass
u think aussie dont have c&d rules?
cinder iron
Make your own game, your own characters, you can get inspired by the mechanics, just dont make Crash.
gray basin
I just think AV won't do it
pallid compass
If u think you are immune to c&d is another country then you are an idiot
go speak to a lawyer
gray basin
if I do that then I will have to make money of it then
pallid compass
Because you obviously have no sense of law
pallid compass
Even if u dont make a penny, u can still get c&d
gray basin
if I used my own ideas I will have to make cash of that
cinder iron
This feels a bit disrespectful to me...
gray basin
but I am doing crash because I love it
pallid compass
Be inspired sure, but dont copy shit or make char's that are obviously crash
then u better love c&d
cursive dirge
good thing I don't have mod rights here, I'd boot people simply for not respecting others IPs here 😄
worn granite
If you had mod powers I'd be banned cause you thought I was annoying once
gray basin
do you think cystal;'s wrath are stupid people
suprise seeing they are making cash of it
cursive dirge
nah, I just block annoying people
pallid compass
c&d dont happen instantly
pallid compass
U obviously have no concept of fair use
worn granite
Wasn't talking to you @cursive dirge :)
pallid compass
@worn granite ❤
cursive dirge
ah, right, was wondering about that 😄
worn granite
oh did you unblock me? I can stop sarcastically giving you solutions
pallid compass
oh it was only for like a day
cinder iron
Sh put the beef out
gray basin
@worn granite bet he will make a futurama fan game
pallid compass
u have such high level sarcasm powers, but im not one to hold a grudge
gray basin
sega allows fan game and open to it
worn granite
I was only doing it cause you went out of your way to tell me you blocked me. If you're cool I'm cool.
pallid compass
always coolio, i can just be a little bit ratty when im tired and shit because i spend alot of time working
go join a sega discord then jesus
gray basin
not a sonic fan
gray basin
they don't animate man
cinder iron
🤦
pallid compass
This is a development discord from hobbyists to industry professional's, not begging ground for free work for disrespectful IP tredding
go buy ur self a top tier mo cap suit
and ur good to go
wann see u doing a crash spin in it
cinder iron
Halcy take it easy XD
pallid compass
Yeah sorry IP tredding gets on my nerves
cinder iron
Me too man, even carrying a case on my back, just imagine how I feel
quiet harness
Halcyon I finally fixed my problem
pallid compass
wayyy good for u man
quiet harness
the problem was an ad plugin and a corrupted sdk
gray basin
bye
quiet harness
but now my ads don't load xD
pallid compass
seam's legit
@cinder iron do u know if u need a LTD company registered as a legal entity for pushing to google play store?
i know u dont need one, but u dont need one for steam
But it does not mean u shouldnt have one
to project your self
protect*
worn granite
@gray basin can you not DM people for no reason
pallid compass
because im about to say @quiet harness do u even have ur self a ltd company setup for legal entity and to handle tax etc?
because im sure xmanning said he was like 14 or 15
or something
cursive dirge
you don't need a company for either steam or google play afaik
limited liability company
pallid compass
Yeah you dont but u kinda should right?
cursive dirge
it's a company form
cinder iron
We have the company registered on Florida, paying taxes and so on. We have a chief officer that manages the finances, pretty disconnected to that if you ask me @pallid compass
pallid compass
For legal entity
quiet harness
All content in my game was made by me including art, logo, etc so anyone who tries to sue me is a dumbass
pallid compass
Its not really about that
cursive dirge
what makes sense for others, might not make sence for you
worn granite
@quiet harness You're not going to get enough traffic to get a single payout, and it'll only be used against you in reviews when your ads are too annoying.
Source: I thought ads in my first game was a good idea too.
cursive dirge
ltd comes with extra paper work
pallid compass
well im sure last time we had this big talk, idk if it applies for google play store
worn granite
If you wanna do it, that's great.
pallid compass
You really do need a legal entity to protect your self,
worn granite
Just putting it out there.
pallid compass
otherwise if anything goes wrong all the blame falls on you
quiet harness
i think it does that
cursive dirge
you'd probably still want to have a company for any business
quiet harness
if you mess up you can watch an ad to continue
cursive dirge
I wouldn't go as far as telling what company form that should be
cinder iron
You need a legal tutor to watch out for your business buddy
cursive dirge
as that's up to person running the company
pallid compass
That sounds like an awful add system
quiet harness
fine I won't monetize my game
pallid compass
Honestly xmanning
i would go see a legal advicer before you push any game anywhere
for liability and stuff
Just to make sure your safe.
quiet harness
im 12 for the last time
pallid compass
Then if your 12 your not old enough to publish content too the app store.
cinder iron
He is 12 XD he should get his parents to do that for him
cursive dirge
well, not having company might not be an issue but that age might be
quiet harness
how old do I have to be to put an app on the store
pallid compass
lmao
cursive dirge
for app stores
cursive dirge
they'd need to do legal agreement with your parents, probably
pallid compass
Legally an adult i would say
quiet harness
there was a 13 year old who did a ted talk on his aps
cinder iron
18 or... Er... 21 it depends ur country
quiet harness
apps*
worn granite
And what store its going on
pallid compass
So that you can be held accountable
or u need a guardian who can be held accountable
worn granite
Hey if you really wanna do ads on your first thing I don't think I should tell you to stop. But its a lot of effort and IME it doesn't help.
If you can, work with your parents on this though.
pallid compass
I mean i take this shiz a little too serious, but honestly its best to be safe than sorry otherwise you can take some serious damage from it / damage your future.
cinder iron
Yes, I think it wouldnt hurt to tell your parents you want to comercialise your games and you need their help
quiet harness
im not sure how i can get arrested or ruin my future by putting a game with no monetization at all on the play store that has all content made by me
worn granite
Patent trolls for one
pallid compass
Im not saying your going to do anything wrong
worn granite
People can sue you because you used the concept of a jump button.
pallid compass
But you legally need to be held accountable
cursive dirge
they might allow totally free games without age limit
pallid compass
and if u uploaded say child porn to a mobile game at the age of 12, u couldnt be accountable for it i dont think?
worn granite
Missing the point
pallid compass
so the owners of the app store would be no, 12 yr olds cant put stuff up here
cursive dirge
but if you charge money - do actual business where money moves, usually you need to be adult
cursive dirge
because there are legal issues when doing business like this with minors
worn granite
Jump buttons are among the most common concepts in games, and there are patent trolls that will try to sue you for basic ideas.
The more often example is the concept of virtual currency, or a shop.
pallid compass
yeah basically the example i gave i think
but no no export in law
oh fucking hell yeah
patent people
are the worst by far
They try and grab u for ANYTHING
worn granite
Yeah
cursive dirge
you would still be pretty safe for legal issues unless you do something stupid
worn granite
Oh, you made an application that takes user input? Well I have a patent for that!
cursive dirge
like clone and ripoff crash bandicoot
just make original content and don't scam people
quiet harness
i looked it up
no age limit
I made original content
I can send you the zip file to install my game onto your android device if you want
what android version is it (unless you have an iOS device)
cursive dirge
not sure who you mean by that
quiet harness
you
cursive dirge
I personally don't play mobile games
quiet harness
anyone else wanna test my game
pallid compass
i would like to see screen shots
because if ur really 1 2 and managed to make a game thats impressive
quiet harness
I don't have an 18:9 device so I don't know if it works on those
cursive dirge
you guys didn't make games when you were 12?
I think I made my first original game at age of 9 or 10 :p
it sucked, obviously
quiet harness
I made .bat games when I was 8
cursive dirge
I envy youth today, getting all these fancy tools at young age
quiet harness
minecraft animations when i was 9 (lmao)
cursive dirge
all we got was basic and pascal 😄
quiet harness
I learned java when I was 9 too
pallid compass
sick beans
quiet harness
basic, of course, but still got an understanding
quiet harness
I made minecraft plugins lol
quiet harness
im taking screenshots
pallid compass
im guessing u didnt plan marketing?
quiet harness
meh
I have screenshots but they need updated
they are from my original gamejolt page
pallid compass
whats game joly?
quiet harness
indie game developer website
where people can share demos and previews of their games
worn granite
that's kind of like itch, isn't it?
gray basin
I am not 12
cinder iron
😂
pallid compass
i need finish this Dungeon generator algorithm but chat 2 juicy
im sure i just seen Lous typing
fierce tulip
was looking for a good gif
silver crown
lol
pallid compass
omg lmao
silver crown
That's a good one
pallid compass
we gud its jpg's
pallid compass
10/10 funny for 5 mins
but if u apply add's to this
ur gonna crash and burn fast
quiet harness
Yeah I don't want popups I hate those
that would be frustrating
also as soon as this game is on the store I'm gonna start work on a battle royale version
manic pawn
chickens battle royale
quiet harness
whoever catches the most chickens in 20 minutes wins
pallid compass
if u think the android sdk is bad
quiet harness
and i figured
pallid compass
wait till u get some nice little replication
worn granite
well at least you're following industry trends as good as the AAA pubs
will deffo hand you that
pallid compass
"QUICK BOYS PATENT HIS SHIT"
manic pawn
replication is simultaneously awesome and bullshit, it's really weird
pallid compass
lmao i love making MP frameworks
i get a kick out of doing shit super efficient
im a performance whore ngl
Its why i make unusual stuff like, 2 draw call floating combat text lmao
manic pawn
maybe you got some ideas on how I could do my permissions thing? I don't use replication often so I'm kinda stuck lol
pallid compass
What you trying to make?
quiet harness
I have $5 to my name
desert bronze
200 isn't much
regal mulch
Dat screenshot link though
quiet harness
actually wait
my game is a commonly used gameplay mechanic
back and forth catching/dodging
with a twist
so not really anything to be patented here
pallid compass
"the twist is free adds"
quiet harness
ffs
manic pawn
basically, like roles in discord. every client gets assigned a role, which then has specific permissions associated with it. clients have to be able to know their own role, admin clients have to be able to see (and edit) the roles of everyone and also create new ones.
quiet harness
the ads are reward ads, like you watch an ad to continue if you die
pallid compass
oh dats ez
pallid compass
You make a specific checker function on the server side
quiet harness
and your score
pallid compass
Universal one u use for everything
and u use the mircle of GamePlayTag's system for permissons
quiet harness
or you could start over, keeping everything but your score
high score is saved though
manic pawn
if it was server sided only it would be really simple, but clients seeing their own role and admins seeing the role of everyone is where I got stuck
pallid compass
You build ur checking system super flexi
Thats easy
too
You replicate the FGameplayTagContainer
manic pawn
I've no idea what a gameplay tag is lmao
pallid compass
and also use fast replication for it as well (setting in the project settings)
pallid compass
as for admins needing to see permission list
pallid compass
UI display for target player, translate FGameplayTagContainer to UI
1 sec
then il tell u zeblote
someone shouting me
manic pawn
sure
silver crown
How do you know an user is admin?
manic pawn
they would be assigned the admin role
quiet harness
wait if I have my game built on the sdk version 21 how will people with android 6,7,8 etc play it?
manic pawn
which then has the permission to see and edit roles of others
pallid compass
back
silver crown
So you got an account system too?
pallid compass
So phyronnaz
This is how the system works
Il explain gameplay tags first
imagine this
manic pawn
yeah, but figuring out how to restore roles after rejoin isn't part of this atm
pallid compass
a Hierarchy system of FNames thats not destructive and can be queried at high speeds, and its created via data tables
manic pawn
I can just do it with their userid
silver crown
userid isn't safe
pallid compass
on that note u need a user ID & token thats generated by the server and applied to ur db
as for restoring roles
manic pawn
user id is just a unique identifier for the account in this case
silver crown
Can be seen by others?
manic pawn
yeah it has to
pallid compass
u just load a serialised version of there FTagContainer Permissions; from db
silver crown
Then it's not safe
manic pawn
how would it not be safe
you can hardly store permissions for a client if you have nothing to identify him by
pallid compass
u following zeblote?
silver crown
Other users can see the id?
silver crown
Why?
pallid compass
Actually
for security
U dont show other peoples ID's or tokens
U show a user name
regal mulch
Because the ID is only an identifier, not an actual login
pallid compass
and u keep the ID server side and rep to client only
not that it matters, but good practice
regal mulch
Your SteamID is openly available
quiet harness
I think my app will be on the store by tonight
manic pawn
people will be able to change user names
pallid compass
incase u fuck up some other security
regal mulch
Just as an example
pallid compass
Then u have two systems
manic pawn
anyways back to the gameplay tags
pallid compass
User Name, Identifier Name
quiet harness
what is embarrassing is that my project is called "MyProject"
pallid compass
U dont use int's because int's are destructive and fragil
manic pawn
I have 12 MyProjects
pallid compass
But yeah lets talk about gameplay tag's
quiet harness
so if someone datamines it, they will see that and be like "wtf is this noob doing"
manic pawn
not sure how the tags are more useful than just an FName to identify a permission tho