thinking is the key to game design 😃
#ue4-general
upbeat tendon
urban gyro
EC content is like pseudo-code. Yeah it can give you an idea about something, but at the end of the day it's useless.
cursive dirge
but calling people assholes always helps, I've noticed
upbeat tendon
based on a guy who has no experience
cursive dirge
worn granite
lol that's funny == slackers are unity assholes
zenith flower
Evo haphazardly walks into chat room and sssllloooowwwllllyyy backs out...
worn granite
tl;dr ^^
urban gyro
giggidy
worn granite
i mean, not my words
cursive dirge
I know
worn granite
o
livid haven
Guy asked a legit question that was naive and immediately got laughed at, then became defensive and hostile afterwards - wasn't smart to do, but can you blame him?
urban gyro
No, people here were said to be the same assholes as the ones in Unity discord
livid haven
He didn't initiate the aggression at all.
That entire interaction could have been positive and educational, but one it went down, it continued downwards.
zenith flower
Programmers in general are asshole to naïve questions
worn granite
I'm not mad but I'm also only gonna shitpost rather than try to help
cursive dirge
yeah, it tends to go that way at some point
urban gyro
i think programmers are awesome, when u ask a question properly 😄
upbeat tendon
i am still convinced he is trolling
cursive dirge
usually this happens when there's arrogance involved
livid haven
He wasn't and your insistence is pretty gods damned absurd.
cursive dirge
humble people don't get trolled here
livid haven
Seriously, @upbeat tendon.
You're on here and you don't think it's possible someone legitimately asks a stupid or naive question?
That is naive as all get out.
zenith flower
lol
livid haven
Geezus christ. Have you seen Stack Overflow?
Or AnswerHub?
Or literally any game dev community anywhere?
urban gyro
didnt think waiting for VS to download turned to be pretty fun 😄
zenith flower
ohhh. can someone post the worst question on stack???
cursive dirge
but Answerhub thrives on naive and stupid questions?
pallid compass
@upbeat tendon You ever think you have asked a question someone has not through was stupid af?
worn granite
I've seen people ask on here, unironically, why two blueprint nodes that weren't connected via exec were not both being called.
cursive dirge
I mean, they don't even try to solve hard problems there
livid haven
Half that shit is people with zero experience asking terrible questions because they don't know better.
worn granite
maybe that's too specific
cursive dirge
answerhub exists so people can compete each week who helped the guys who couldn't check the first google result the most
zenith flower
Oh dont get me started on answerhub, go ahead an ask a good, but hard to answer question and watch it not get answered... bump...
urban gyro
this wouldnt be a problem if the docs latest version wasn't 4.9 for some topics
livid haven
The other half is people who are too incompetent to even begin to try to attempt basic problem solving even if they do have the knowledge to do so. - Those are the people that make me fairly less friendly to naive questions.
upbeat tendon
it isn't what he asked, it was the way he asked it
urban gyro
he removed the question anyway, no way to confirm 😛
cursive dirge
oh
livid haven
And it's such a naive question that it's basically a trope or a meme.
cursive dirge
that explains why I didn't see it
silver crown
lol
pallid compass
He shifted it to another chat
cursive dirge
unity?
urban gyro
supposedly he posted it somewhere else 😄
cursive dirge
livid haven
"Hi guys, I want to make video games, how do I make an MMO/BattleRoyale/MOBA/VR/Open world game/survival game?"
cursive dirge
always start with MMO
urban gyro
oh thats a classic
cursive dirge
best way
silver crown
We should have a bot for that
zenith flower
oh shit
urban gyro
omg the bot is an awesome idea 😄
cursive dirge
I don't think VR is that common starter topic
urban gyro
just PM them a wall of text
silver crown
Nah, a nice bot
pallid compass
no the best is
livid haven
Point is, yes, that line of question is basically a meme at this point. But it is a question that gets asked sincerely and legitimately, so don't be a huge dick about it either.
pallid compass
"how do i make char's?"
urban gyro
u mean like, letters?
urban gyro
😄
zenith flower
They probably just want a basic square that can move and jump
cursive dirge
char is short for character
livid haven
No one should be proud of how that situation earlier went down. They had every reason to think this community is unwelcoming and snobby after that. And I am a snob who works at trying to be more welcoming.
urban gyro
yeah but its funnier if u ask how to make chars
pallid compass
lmfao
worn granite
idk after he was pretty general with that jab with people actively helping him I stopped caring
zenith flower
@livid haven I agree, I've been on the receiving end
cursive dirge
@livid haven your avatar is still kinda offending for that purpose 😄
zenith flower
not here*
pallid compass
I am yet to be snobed, count me lucky.
urban gyro
Honestly he did get a lotta advice and then he just pissed on everyone
livid haven
Mostly by just not even dealing with questions where I can't think of anything to say but "YOU. DENSE. MOTHER. FUCKER." because, I'd just be making fun of them to look cool for non-existent internet points.
urban gyro
so i don't see how he was unwelcomed
upbeat tendon
who said that to him?
livid haven
@cursive dirge "Bitch, I'm Fabulous"? That's literally me dancing at a bar in Atlanta.
pallid compass
Hes not joking, it is him.
also we basically vanished him to unity the poor soul.
worn granite
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pallid compass
Also you guys forget about the butterfly effect in here
livid haven
@urban gyro The first thing he got was laughed at and asked if he was a troll - that's pretty shitty. Yes, he could have gotten over it and decided to try to listen to the advice he was given afterwards, but that's moot.
pallid compass
You help one person and teach them things and they tend to pass it on later on.
zenith flower
??
worn granite
As far as Im concerned at some point he wanted to think the chat was toxic
livid haven
Because it was.
zenith flower
Yes, I got help here, and ended up spending the rest of my day helping out in blueprints
worn granite
nope.jpg
pallid compass
Because people kept being sarcastic as fuck
livid haven
He was right. And then it wasn't still toxic, but the damage had been done. Simple.
upbeat tendon
@tropic solar did anyone swear at you?
zenith flower
no
worn granite
I disagree that the chat was toxic before a certain point
urban gyro
I don't think anyone who leaves after 2-3 comments/jokes is serious enough to even bother educating tho. @livid haven
pallid compass
First impressions.
livid haven
Missing the point.
zenith flower
@urban gyro unless I read the wrong things, he was asking because he is a counselor?
urban gyro
😄
livid haven
Don't be a dick to newcomers.
worn granite
Hey man I'm an internet mirror
livid haven
Generally, don't be a dick, but especially to newcomers.
worn granite
sometimes
pallid compass
no he was stating his study, and said he wanted to hobby.
worn granite
today was one of those times
upbeat tendon
no one he was told to watch youtube vids, he called everyone assholes
and i don't think suggesting writing snake is a bad thing for someone with no experience
urban gyro
ok just a quick question tho: https://gyazo.com/407e6fd6367dbcc34cc7428d89ad177c Wasn't this perma icon supposed to have been fixed 4.19?
zenith flower
"I just wanted to know what worked best for other people, that was all"
"Career: college for counseling, Just thought it would be interesting to understand the basics, attempt a little, and gain a better understanding of how much work goes into it"
"Just a hobby"
"My questions are not stupid, but i do understand the vagueness of them."
worn granite
Kensei, back to unity chat with ya
urban gyro
@upbeat tendon i still thing pong is better 😄
urban gyro
omg yall are arsingholes, im out im going to GameMaker. So much better.
frosty bloom
Unless the initial post by a rookie is out of the world trollish I would rather see people NOT replying than making fun of that person. It really is immature and unnecessary.
The only stupid question is the one that wasn't asked.
upbeat tendon
so a school asks, what is the career path for an open world game dev?
worn granite
what's that toast from? Opening solution?
zenith flower
uea
worn granite
Dunno if that's supposed to have been fixed, check issues.unrealengine.com
zenith flower
vs opens but it never goes away
urban gyro
yeah from opening
upbeat tendon
who made fun of him?
zenith flower
end up restarting editor to make it go away
worn granite
Well, we are. Now.
urban gyro
its driving me nuts 😄
worn granite
at least I just did
livid haven
@upbeat tendon You're being hella dense.
pallid compass
This is nearly as bad as not being able to perma resize sprites / flipbooks
livid haven
You're like "That guy was a jerk, he threw water in my face and pushed me, who does that?" after effectively pointing and laughing at him.
Like, really?
cursive dirge
why is this discussion still ongoing
livid haven
We're going to pretend the instigating incident had no role?
cursive dirge
guy's long gone
worn granite
for my part: i'm bored wating for my editor to open
livid haven
This discussion is still happening because I personally have a problem with how many people are defending being a jerk.
pallid compass
Ue4 Blood Dome activated.
upbeat tendon
i was perfectly nice to him
livid haven
And that is a matter of the community.
pallid compass
I dont get why your so hard on the defensive
livid haven
I don't think that interaction was in line with what this community purports to be about.
floral heart
Frith recommended extra credits, I'm blocking him
pallid compass
instead of being like "wait a second, maybe i was level 10 jackass"
livid haven
So even if they leave and become irrelevant, it was never about him, it was about the way this community responded to an honest, if naive, question.
cursive dirge
tbh, we can't sure if it wasn't troll
urban gyro
Lets be honest here, you gotta have a thick skin on the web
pallid compass
If they where a troll they would still be here
livid haven
"You gotta have thick skin" is not an excuse for "Don't bother treating people with respect"
urban gyro
so i think catering towards to the snowflakes is kinda meh
yeah but a few jokes is nothing serious
pallid compass
How was he a snowflake?
livid haven
It's an excuse to keep being a dick and accusing people of being snowflakes, because you are making that be the environment.
pallid compass
He basically didnt like the attitude and left, thats not snowflaking
upbeat tendon
saying you so funny to someone and suggesting they watch a youtube channel to give me some ideas is so bad?
urban gyro
i thought thats what snowflake meant?
livid haven
The environment is hostile because we excuse being hostile as the status quo. Of course it's hostile.
cursive dirge
we are having the snowflake discussion again?
urban gyro
there already was one? damn
cursive dirge
last time mod asked to stop it
upbeat tendon
he is still here
urban gyro
i see, i thought snowflake meant easily offended pplz. forget i said anything then 😛
pallid compass
I wouldnt class not like being laughed at as easily offended
worn granite
I'm legit curious what point you're referring to here; lol that's funny, that's gotta be a joke, the outpouring of suggestions/advice, or me going fuck it, google this
pallid compass
If i put you in a situation where you had a lack of knwoledge
and started laughing at you, u would get on the defensive
cursive dirge
suggesting someone is "special snowflake" is offending already
urban gyro
ill laught at my own stupidity?
frosty bloom
• Be respectful. Personal attacks, threats, discrimination, harassment, trolling or any intentionally annoying/disruptive behavior will not be tolerated. take it in
pallid compass
knowledge*
worn granite
Cause if its the third in that list sion I'm out.
cursive dirge
yeah, rules are pretty clear
livid haven
@worn granite Obviously parts 1 and 2. They're condescending as all get out.
worn granite
kk
urban gyro
i think we're going a bit far no? I can be offended by somebody's name, doesn't mean i have to take up arms and go to war lol
livid haven
And it seems like people defending this behavior are justifying it because of the later reaction.
worn granite
It really does seem insignificant in light of the huge discussion its sparked.
urban gyro
exactly
livid haven
Like "Oh, he turned out to be an asshole, therefore it was okay to be condescending to him in the first place" - what? No. That's not how that works at all.
pallid compass
Dont look at him, look at the bigger picture
livid haven
But what?
worn granite
I don't even think that's so bad.
livid haven
It's a matter of principle.
pallid compass
THIS ^
worn granite
You thought it was funny. Maybe you could have bit your toungue
upbeat tendon
i thought he was being funny
worn granite
now we gotta police humor
livid haven
The initial incident didn't bother me nearly as much as the outpuring of "Yeah, haha, fuck that guy, he didn't want to learn anything anyway"
upbeat tendon
who said that?
urban gyro
nobody said anything like that
worn granite
I did tell him to google and that I was done, lol
frosty bloom
he is pointing out an attitude, not something someone said.
livid haven
And I did think it was funny, but I didn't laugh at him. I tried to bridge both sides by saying "Hey, I know where you're coming from laughing at him, but be fair to the guy. Sorry guy, that was unnecessary, here's some help."
upbeat tendon
you did not
worn granite
no he did
upbeat tendon
you started being the moral police
livid haven
No, you're merely offended that I called you out, and now you're forced to double down or admit it.
And admitting you might have been an ass would injure your own sense of integrity.
pallid compass
Theres a big difference between policing and discussing
livid haven
So I must be the moral police and guilty of some bigger wrong doing.
upbeat tendon
sorry but you can go back and read, the only person swearing is you
livid haven
And building strawmans, like this was about swearing.
cursive dirge
ok
I had to scroll back
and first person who was totally out of line was the person who asked for advice in the first place
worn granite
yeah, in this chat?
livid haven
@cursive dirge You can't have seen it because they deleted their question.
worn granite
the audacity
urban gyro
someone reposted a copy
cursive dirge
but the question wasn't relevant, he was behaving nicely until some point
then he snapped
and then it snowballed
safe rose
You guys are all assholes anyway
worn granite
no u
urban gyro
there we go
livid haven
Right. So who was initially responsible for that situation becoming toxic?
safe rose
I just read that shit
cursive dirge
urban gyro
yeah im surprised u kept up with the updates
livid haven
@cursive dirge That wasn't how his question was initially worded, it was much more vague and general than that.
frosty bloom
@safe rose I like your dedication 😎
cursive dirge
but he snapped when people started telling what he didn't know
pallid compass
i wouldnt class it as snapped
cursive dirge
and after that point, there's no real return to polite conversation again
urban gyro
man i have such a mean thing to say now 😄
cursive dirge
people usually don't like being called assholes
grave nebula
Can anyone point to where the drama started ?
upbeat tendon
he wrote something like i have 0 knowledge about game development but i want to make an open world game,
pallid compass
People dont like being made feel stupid af
safe rose
@grave nebula 2 hours ago
worn granite
I'd say the image that 0lento posted
safe rose
This channel
worn granite
that's pretty good where it kicked off
safe rose
TBH, everyone of us is stupid and ignorant in something
livid haven
@cursive dirge Sure, but I've been driving home the point that the initial interaction was unnecessarily hostile. And people have been arguing otherwise based on the fact that the guy eventually said we were assholes - that's a completely nonsensical argument.
floral heart
A: oh you so funny
B: What do you mean?
C: I mean, it was kind of funny in that it was somewhat naive, but I'm going to guess it's because they legitimately don't have much experience so they don't know yet.
TL;DR: If you don't have much experience, big open world stuff is a very bad place to start.
A: that has got to be a joke
B: Forget it, My mistake for asking questions and expecting people not to be assholes
worn granite
Yeah I don't really think it was that big a deal.
floral heart
Pick your side!
safe rose
I pick D
floral heart
D is reserved for me.
cursive dirge
I'm back to Unity where there is less drama
safe rose
LoL
urban gyro
@upbeat tendon might be right by the way, the guy is supposedly a counselor (something that requires high mental tolerance), yet he pulls a 180 and calls everyone assholes after 5 lines of text. He probably laughing his ass off at this convo
floral heart
You can have VD. 😛
cursive dirge
jk, they are dramaqueens
livid haven
@urban gyro Missing the point and also getting all the facts wrong.
cursive dirge
I muted the main chat on unity discord
upbeat tendon
i am sure i am right
worn granite
See, now, I jumped in even after the closing statement there with advice. Lots of people did.
Not to re-discuss the point we've already ranted on....
A's responses here aren't terrible. Maybe they coulda not said that at all, but they're not being an asshole.
livid haven
You keep trying to retroactively justify an initial bad interaction based on later interactions.
safe rose
Unity official or community @cursive dirge
cursive dirge
there's no official unity group here
safe rose
TBH, no one in that conversation was innocent
worn granite
And B is like hey I know I just got a repsonse from a serious person, but shoulda know y'all were dicks
livid haven
Tell me that if you walked up to someone and asked them a question, say in an office or school setting, and they immediately responded with laughing and telling you that you must be joking, you wouldn't think that person was an asshole? Yes or no? Not a rhetorical question. Is that person being an asshole by laughing in your face and calling your serious question a joke?
upbeat tendon
stop this moral grand standing,
urban gyro
I may have missed it but I didn't see anyone laughing at him
safe rose
Only on webs
cursive dirge
tbh, I think he got triggered by Sions reply as well
pallid compass
"stop this moral grand standing," wat, stop considering how you should behave with others?
upbeat tendon
i often laugh when people ask funny questions
urban gyro
@livid haven if I get an answer and gain valuable info, I don't care what somebody does as long as they answer.
worn granite
I've literally had that happen to me in a job setting, Sion, and I don't think they were being an asshole.
safe rose
Everyone of their comments added up
livid haven
@urban gyro Cool, that's your prerogative, no one is obligated to have your level of magnanimity.
urban gyro
of course not
safe rose
@urban gyro I don't know about that
upbeat tendon
however i can tell the difference between someone trolling and someone who is really interested
safe rose
Would you be more receptive to a hostile repsonse or a kind one?
livid haven
Alright, well, I'm pretty well settled with this thread. I am in the minority.
worn granite
No, that person went on to pull a serious dick move later on the same week; but the interaction where I was asked if I was joking continued on to discuss my question in earnest.
upbeat tendon
someone who was really interested would ask, hi i want to learn want is involved in building open world games
worn granite
Maybe it indicates an ass? IDK
safe rose
So pretty much, as long as I give people the right answer, I can say "Hey shit face newb....here's how you do it"
urban gyro
id be receptive to info, that's how I've learned things my entire life. If you got info, awesome, laugh, fart, joke, do whatever just educate my ass.
floral heart
you don't even have to give the right answer, so long as you don't swear
upbeat tendon
something that goes a long the lines of i want to learn what i need to learn about
safe rose
Ah, so as long as I don't swear but am hostile...I am good
livid haven
My lesson learned here is that way more of this community is unwelcoming and condescending than I find reasonable or acceptable. In the future, I'll remember that when considering who I want to go out of my way to help - because I'm not obligated to be extra helpful to people I don't want to be helpful to. 👍
upbeat tendon
go find where i was swearing
floral heart
first person to swear is the loser, that's how this goes
tropic solar
- I did not mean to say asshole, i meant that some people where being "smartasses" when all I wanted was advice. However, It was wrong of me to assume that everyone was being one, and for that I apologize. I do understand though that my question was vague and that I should of asked in a better manner which is why I removed it. However, I am not a troll, and honestly was wanting good advice, that is all. I feel that there is no need for this conversation to continue
urban gyro
Nobody was swearihg
safe rose
@tropic solar hello again
upbeat tendon
see i told you he was still here
worn granite
Dude props for jumping back in and apologizing
tropic solar
I just got back, been jumping between servers
urban gyro
it was a titanic discussion
cursive dirge
well, to get back on track
upbeat tendon
@tropic solar don't apologies just do 😃
grave nebula
People tend to take responses here as right, not a privilege, and 80% of questions asked are googleable. But that is so in every field in existence.
floral heart
@urban gyro I love the pun
livid haven
It's a shame a mod hadn't been here in the first place to weigh in on how friendly or condescending that initial interaction actually was.
upbeat tendon
i wasn't offended by you
floral heart
maybe it's more of a double entendre
safe rose
What mods?
worn granite
ayy
urban gyro
Sion u are overreacting i think. On the webasshole scale, this was barely a 1/10.
safe rose
This discord actually has mods that monitor?
upbeat tendon
@tropic solar you got some good advice, you need to start small,
livid haven
I'll tell you that if I pulled that shit at any place I've worked at on a regular basis, I'd have a talking to about condescending to my peers and creating a hostile work environment
tropic solar
I was on unity for a while, and I kept running into assholes, so when I ask my first question on here (and yes it was vague), the first remark i get was someone being a smartass, so it frustrated me, and I felt that I would be dealing with the same stupid shit I had to deal with on Unity. For those of you who are smartasses, i do not apologize because you can learn some manners, for those that were not and offered good advice, I am sorry that I generalized you in my comments.
So can we please, just drop this!
safe rose
But a simple <@&213101288538374145> come here and look at good things you missing would have been too easy I guess .. read back 2 hours (BTW)
urban gyro
ooooh thheres the bomb tag 😄
livid haven
It wasn't particularly worthy of moderation in the first place.
And I wasn't going to summon moderators to retroactively decide, based on missing information, whether someone needed a warning about being hostile.
upbeat tendon
@tropic solar it wasn't what you asked, it was the way you asked it
urban gyro
@tropic solar nah man, it's just beginning 😄 Honestly, try to make Pong in UE4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cmr4maZEyY
Heres a good tut. Njoy.
urban gyro
well, u need to spend 30 minutes scrolling to get the full picture lol
pallid compass
that u cant resize sprites
safe rose
@snow crown you will have to read back two hours if you really wanna know
upbeat tendon
look everyone is still trying to help you
snow crown
2 hours? sheesh
livid haven
TL;DR: One person asked a honest if naive question, the other person laughed at them, asked them if that was a joke, and it all went downhill from there.
cursive dirge
@snow crown (not worth it)
mild pumice
hey sorry to interrupt, but what channel could i ask for an opinion/critique on a character turn around im working on ? :o
pallid compass
Yeah we all really hate not being able to resize sprites
can u tell epic to fix it thanks
urban gyro
its a debate regarding ethics
snow crown
simmer down
floral heart
@mild pumice #work-in-progress
mild pumice
thanks!
floral heart
Pick me!
cursive dirge
boom
livid haven
I suggested that was an unecessarily hostile and unwelcoming attitude and then it turned into a huge thread about how it was totally fine to condescend to newcomers because they should know better and/or they should just learn to deal with it.
frosty bloom
lol !Roll
tropic solar
@snow crown I asked the niave question, some people were smartasses, I got offended, I was an ass back, To be honest, its just a pesky argument, and there is not need for it to drag on. lol
snow crown
generally you don't volunteer
urban gyro
😵
floral heart
I need a quick-delete-everything-in-last-five-minutes button to make it look like I was banned and Roy was in serious mode
weary basalt
Some people are not as adept at game dev or ue4 as others. An simple question to you maybe an difficult one for them. Treat each other with respect. Its that simple
upbeat tendon
no one laughed, no one could believe they were really asking the question
snow crown
if y'all are ok with cooling down, then carry on
urban gyro
the real argument was Sion feeling we're a very unwelcoming community.
upbeat tendon
and being offended on their behalf
pallid compass
Is anyone really good at math here by any chance lmfao
snow crown
@urban gyro we are working on that
cursive dirge
on Sion?
pallid compass
Just while everyone is here
livid haven
"no one laughed, no one could believe they were really asking the question"
"that's a funny joke" - what's that supposed to mean?
"no one could believe they were really asking the question" - I did.
tame flint
if i am spawning a sphere into my game at a hit point, should i use multitraceSphere to check for other overlaps so i cannot place it ontop or inside other objects? Say i only wanted to be able to place it on the floor
urban gyro
i think this place is very welcoming tho.
snow crown
well
tropic solar
Look, the only one I really felt was an ass was @upbeat tendon , otherwise, I dont really have an issue with anyone, so can we please drop this
snow crown
what I mean is, we are in the process of making some new mod tools that will help out with it
tropic solar
2 hours...is enough time >.<
pallid compass
He says new mod tools
weary basalt
Sion is right. If you cant take any questions about dev work seriously regardless of your own experience then it may seem unwelcome. How about being nice and respectful to everyone
upbeat tendon
@tropic solar was i rude to you?
pallid compass
He means Extra hard ban hammers
urban gyro
@floral heart has a great idea for a bot 😄
snow crown
so people who are less welcoming will find themselves timed out or timebanned
pallid compass
One hit and your source control goes too
snow crown
ya know, basic mod tools that discord should really provide but doesn't
floral heart
@tame flint #blueprint (or #cpp if you're amazing) and I think spawning new objects have a setting for checking what's in their way, but a sphere overlap may still be necessary if you have spawning logic in blueprint
tropic solar
@upbeat tendon you came off as a rude smartass, I understand that you most likely deal with a lot of trolls and stupid questions, but not everyone trolls, and stupid questions are still important to some people :p
pallid compass
Does that include me asking how to For loop? 😂
floral heart
Yes, that sounds amazing Halcyon
snow crown
ain't nothing wrong with asking about basics of C++
pallid compass
I wish i was joking
upbeat tendon
@tropic solar did i give you lots of good places to start?
pallid compass
write dmg exec calc class
dont know how to for loop
floral heart
I tried to learn c++
so I did a for loop
then I discovered ++x and x++ behaved differently and I gave up
worn granite
Hal its no big deal man its just sort of surprising
snow crown
im going back to my ivory tower now, be cool to each other
urban gyro
hey, at least it aint an IF statement lol
weary basalt
@upbeat tendon and @tropic solar the discussion is over. Drop it and move on please.
pallid compass
IS anyone in here good with math? i have a question thats been killing me
urban gyro
what kinda math
tropic solar
@weary basalt we did drop it, so your comment is pointless @.@
worn granite
I think a @ channel woulda been more appropiate there :P
cursive dirge
better ask the question rather than if anyone could possible answer it
livid haven
I'll close out with this: This isn't just a Discord server full of random strangers on the internet who don't matter. The impression you give people matters. Maybe you're a hobbyist and you don't care, but for a lot of people this is a career, a profession. It's not constantly serious business all the time, but a modicum of etiquette and professionalism is well advised. You have a reputation. You can tarnish it and it will affect you. Some of us actually have some real, lasting influence. With that said, I'm muting this server for the rest of the day, I don't feel like dealing with this any further right now.
urban gyro
Why do I feel Sion has a bigger problem with us than vyndexion had
pallid compass
So the only way to resize sprites is with the Pixels per Unit, default is 1, (eg 0.64 would make 64 pixels 100cm)
So my walk sprites are 1 Pixel per unit, 48x48
What would i have to set a attack sprite's Pixel per unit to for 64x64 too to get it the same size?
worn granite
he's pretty invested in helping people.
snow crown
🤦🏽
tropic solar
@.@
cursive dirge
can you give like 15 minute temp bans for people who disobey direct mod request?
cursive dirge
dang 🍿
snow crown
ced's got a cool bot in progress
urban gyro
I dont get it, u wana downscale ur attack sprites or upscale ur walk to 64?
pallid compass
SPRITES Y U NO HAVE X Y Z SCALE
Downscale the attack sprite of 64x64 to 48x48
but the only way is with the pixel per unit i think
snow crown
time bans, user logs (like if someone deletes or edits their message we know), infractions, auto-moderation for things like discord invite links
upbeat tendon
@tropic solar if you are seriously interested i am more than happy to help you build yourself a roadmap to where you want to go
snow crown
gonna make modding much easier
worn granite
yikes sorry I messaged
urban gyro
0.75 to scale down
worn granite
Will exit discord for the day
urban gyro
i mean if 64 is your 1 then 48 is 0.75
tropic solar
@upbeat tendon its fine, To be honest I am no troll, and i do understand that my question was vague, next time though hold back on the smartass stuff until your sure the person is serious or a troll :p
@upbeat tendon and yes, i saw your advice later, and appreciate it 😃
snow crown
ok, everyone's kissed and made up
floral heart
So ironically, you would set it to the same PPU as a 48x48 sprite?
urban gyro
@snow crown you guys should look into tutorial archiving and the such.
snow crown
we've talked about it... but honestly why not just put stuff on the unreal engine wiki?
that's a better archive than our discord
urban gyro
well I thought that was ur question, if u wana downscale, then 48 is 1/4th of 64
safe rose
UE4 Game Math channel
urban gyro
@snow crown True, but they are usually singular or small ones. I'm talking full projects. Such as the Pong tutorial I recommended to vyndexion.
snow crown
i don't know of a good way to make information like that easily searchable
snow crown
there are probably better ways to do it
in the end, this discord is pretty ephemeral
conversations move quickly
urban gyro
Pin the link on BP, like u pined 0lento's physx post
urban gyro
i mean its a good starting point, yeah thats true.
pallid compass
1.5 seams to do it
snow crown
post it in #blueprint, i'll pin it right now
cursive dirge
reason why I requested pin on the physx thing was so that I can tell people to look at the pinned post and not having to explain it again for every person
yeah, it was me being lazy
urban gyro
exaxctly
cursive dirge
nobody looks at the pinned messages by default unless someone tells you to
urban gyro
but you can do the same when a beginner comes in
urban gyro
and asks something, you just say "look pin"
cursive dirge
on #multiplayer
urban gyro
Yeah exactly
snow crown
in the end, you are still actively responding to them
urban gyro
that thing is really good
snow crown
they didn't look at the pins in the first place
it doesn't solve the problem, it just lets you be lazier when solving it
that's the issue I see
cursive dirge
well, the other alternative is that we just ignore people asking the same things
that doesn't sound any better
snow crown
i mean, i'm not saying do nothing 😛
i'll happily pin useful resources to their respective channels
just give me a ping and I'll do it
snow crown
but, if we want to actually solve the problem, we probably need a better solution
is that game dev league (or whatever it's called)?
cause I really disliked their layout when I was on that server last
urban gyro
its not ideal, but basically you lock it down and only post things that stay there
no its AlphaChannel
basically anything 3d
urban gyro
but it is a possible solution, on the other hand its putting all the resource sorting on the mods
urban gyro
so it may be ur bane 😄
snow crown
but lets not get too #server-feedback in here 😛
urban gyro
hah didnt know there was a channel like that lol
at any rate I've said my bit, imma bounce, good luck with finding a solution 😃
cursive dirge
unity group just has one #resources channel, I don't think people actively scroll through it tho, it serves more like channel where people can spot new resources as they appear on the web
pallid compass
@snow crown
What is the amanda bot for
in paper-2d
I couldnt find any information on it
pallid compass
I think Amanda is the name of the person who updates 2d in the repo?
snow crown
snow crown
she works at Epic
pallid compass
Curious question then
snow crown
but i've never talked to her
pallid compass
Do you work at epic or / contractor
pallid compass
Ah dam, was just curious because i know you have extensive knowledge of the GAS system
snow crown
that's because I'm a fukin nerd and for fun I deep dive into random parts of the engine and try to fully understand them
plus there was a lot of info on UDN about it
pallid compass
That's basically punishing your self going in to GAS
snow crown
not really
pallid compass
ahh fair enough
snow crown
it's easier than when I deep dived into the networking stuff
pallid compass
Ah well yeah thats just forbidden fruit
and then there is me diving in and out of APawn movement today 😂
plush yew
Ayy did you work on Blade Symphony? @snow crown
snow crown
i did not
plush yew
Oh OK, I didn't like it anyway...
pallid compass
So i gotta ask one question then
snow crown
lmao
pallid compass
thinks of most obscure GAS question
got it
wtf are the HUD / UI class thing's that u can attach too GPE
me and kaz still cant figure out how they work
we assume for DEBUG but it says u can use it for HUD stuff.
snow crown
oh
that's just a class you can extend
to fill in your own data
like, if you have, lets say, a texture for a buff
you can subclass that and make a property for it
that you can edit inline
pallid compass
Oky that actually makes sense
snow crown
it's pretty useful
pallid compass
yeah im a sinner for exposing everything to BP's
snow crown
🤷🏽
pallid compass
Then a gain iv started bringing everything to c++ because god dam its just faster to write when you know what your doing
snow crown
i make sure just about everything I do is exposed to blueprint
i may not use it, but it comes in handy if I ever do
snow crown
anyway, i gotta get back to work
pallid compass
Ah no worries man!
plush yew
If I move files using windows explorer, will everything break? I need to move a lot of folders and files, the problem is that doing it in UE4 is extremely slow and it's making a constant 100% usage of my CPU which makes my PC pretty much unusable until it finishes
narrow pasture
Yes, don't move files outside of ue4
Unless you are deleting things that aren't being used anywhere
Even then it's better to delete things in ue4
plush yew
So it's pretty much impossible to change the folder structure?
silver crown
You can if you're ready to break all your references
plush yew
or spend few weeks doing it through the editor I guess
silver crown
¯_(ツ)_/¯
plush yew
Why is it making such a high usage of the CPU for that, does anyone know?
midnight mantle
are there any recommended laptops for running UE4?
hexed solstice
@midnight mantle Depends on your price range. How much you got?
hexed solstice
That's perfect/plenty. You can look at NewEgg for a laptop with at least Core i5 and GTX 1060 you're set.
oh, and about 16G of ram minimum
that would be minimum for a graphics heavy game
narrow pasture
The HP Spectre x360 is a good option, the new one with the Intel and AMD chip is pretty dope
Same goes for the new Dell XPS 15
narrow pasture
Another good option is the new gs65 and the gigabyte aero 15 or even the new Asus zephyrus is getting a new version with a normal keyboard and decent specs.
mortal gale
So, I'm accessing my laptop's files on my Windows partition, while the laptop and desktop are in Linux, and through Samba. Where is the Paragon pack I downloaded earlier stored at?
grim ore
The vault cache where the launcher is installed
grim ore
If you installed it to a project yes.
The launcher also keeps a copy in the vault cache
mortal gale
And where in Windows is the default place for the vault cache?
grim ore
Same folder the launcher is installed. No clue for default.
normal stratus
Hi all! Quick question, I'm new here and been trying to find some help with an obscure problem I've been having with Unreal on my system. Which would be the appropriate channel to ask for technical help and advice? Thank you!
normal stratus
@mortal gale Okay, I'll move the discussion over there, thank you!
mortal gale
OK.
weary basalt
Check TaskManager. If its resources are still fluctuating then its still working otherwise it probably stalled.
golden idol
task manager says goes between 25 to 30 percent on my cpu and using 1.5 gb ram
tame flint
@grim ore hey whats up
@grim ore i have a question. I created a respawn for my character if he dies, however I have other actors in the level that are destructable pickups. How would i reset them in my level? I noticed that the level restart destroys all spawned in actors, ie(my character). Which is a problem
mortal gale
I don't have to update via GitDependencies after running git pull in my UnrealEngine dir, do I?
I'm building without doing it.
That shitty mono program that updates shit went and fucked itself.
crisp fable
as its want to do
weary basalt
When can i purchase it @polar hawk 😃
polar hawk
We're not on an exchange yet but by then it might be too late to get it at a good value xD
Do you own any lemons or lemon like things?
plush yew
last day on the discords!! heading out to MEPS this week to ship out to san diego California. Keep up all the cool stuff awsome devs!
weary basalt
@polar hawk I own some lemons, not many though, they are of the Dallar kind.
I lost general crypto interest when the market shat its pants
floral heart
Get a lemon tree
never buy lemons again
(if you ever buy lemons)
polar hawk
@weary basalt When the market went down, we didn't. We stayed strong.
left ridge
I've built quite a bit of functionality into my First person character blueprint but I want to be able to use a Third person character as well. I want to not duplicate things, so that any changes would work in both characters. Should I perhaps clean my First Person Character blueprint to only include the functionality and use that as a Parent for both Third Person Character and a new First Person Character?
mortal gale
After a git pull and rebuild, it shows that it's still 4.18.1.
And it's in the release branch.
I'll switch to another branch ffs.
OK, fuck this, another day.
cloud cobalt
@mortal gale Not sure 4.19 is a release branch
Might want to checkout the accurate tag for 4.19.0
mortal gale
WHich fucking one then?
Oh shit, I'm not in Linux on my desktop anymore. Watching LTT vids on my laptop. XD
cloud cobalt
Latest release is "4.19.0-release"
That's what you should checkout
Don't hesitate to use git reset hard if you're unsure where your repo is
Or use a zipped archive if you're not super familiar with Git
Working from Linux is pretty hardcore since Epic doesn't officially supports it - if you're just trying to build a Linux release, do it from Windows
mortal gale
Nah, I'm going to do everything from Linux.
mortal gale
Okie.
cloud cobalt
@golden idol What's the FBX like in terms of triangle count etc ?
cloud cobalt
So what's the triangle count in Blender ?
Slow FBX loads are generally caused by super heavy scenes
golden idol
teal tulip
paper kernel
yikes
upbeat trench
I heard you like tris
glossy fractal
i've heard that the ue4 tools are similar to hammer
is that true
gloomy apex
Hey, where do I post my questions regarding particles and cascade
upbeat trench
content creation, visual-fx in the channel list
cloud cobalt
@golden idol Yeah, even 500k tris is pretty high-end for game objects
Most objects are between 1 and 10 thousand tris
golden idol
lel how would i reduce it
upbeat trench
very carefully
regal mulch
@glossy fractal Not 100%. The BSP are only to Block out and should be replaced later. You can convert them though to static meshes in case it's a simple wall you want to keep.
cloud cobalt
@golden idol There isn't a simple way, you need to be careful about that when creating assets. For terrain you can use the UE4 terrain system.
Generally you shouldn't be creating large landscape components as one object
Create small, reusable objects and compose your scene in UE4
waxen wedge
Anyone know if there's a standard algorithm for reorganising directed graphs spatially so they minimize overlapping edges?
ie move from https://i.imgur.com/pOqjRHD.png to https://eisman.github.io/neo4jd3/img/neo4jd3.jpg?v=0.0.5
cedar snow
maybe have a look at graphviz's source http://www.graphviz.org/
there's also force directed graph drawing and D3's source from your screenshot might be another place to look
waxen wedge
@upbeat trench Perfect, thanks
glossy fractal
is it even possible to make a visual novel in ue4 🤔
oblique tangle
why not 🤔
pallid compass
Tappy chicken is not a umg game
shell jetty
may the force be with you @upbeat trench
upbeat trench
cedar snow
"why is my actor bumping over all the things?"
upbeat trench
not sure if its an issue in BP, that seems to ask you on the node if you want to teleport on spawn or not. Maybe it has been broken all along
cedar snow
also another point for having the source of the engine
upbeat trench
lol another reason to avoid c++ you mean hehe 😉
cedar snow
umm 😛
fierce tulip
@grave nebula thanks, the parameterized textures seem to be the culprit.
pallid compass
oh @fierce tulip if your about wann see my new coolest material!
silver crown
@pallid compass I want to see it! 😃
pallid compass
Did i not show you my Material for damage text?
pallid compass
pallid compass
Single mesh, 71 instructions,
2 draw calls for floating combat text
I really dont think u can get any cheaper than this lmao
iv skinned it down to the bone
surreal viper
is there a way to create a TMap in C++ and make it so that in BP only the values can be changed, but not the keys?
pallid compass
no i dont think so
pallid compass
not separate anywhere
unless u can define a tmap from two other variables u already define with umacro's?
but i doubt it
fierce tulip
interesting approach.
silver crown
Did a little something too yesterday
Triplanar projection using displacement values
pallid compass
thats nice but
silver crown
Allows to have nice intersections
pallid compass
distance looks very flat
silver crown
distance?
pallid compass
oh fuck lmao
silver crown
Well if you have displacement + triplanar it can't end well
But it gives nice results
pallid compass
omg
pallid compass
I wonder if i can make a state machine for paper flip books like the normal animation one
light thunder
Why is my WidgetInteraction Component not visible despite Debugging Line being on? What could hide this or stop it from being visible?
It works fine to interact with my 3D widget I just can't see the debug line and it would be really useful if I could
fierce tulip
4.17 is so much fun hehe. for some reason all my materials are a bright green emissive thing.
cloud cobalt
4.17, what year is it
fierce tulip
2017
cloud cobalt
That must be why
frosty bloom
can't wait for 4.20
elfin jacinth
Good morning to my favorite humans
fierce tulip
so did anybody ever win either of the two 200 dollar marketplace credits?
pallid compass
Morning
I wonder how hard it would be to make a Animation State machine for flipbooks in c++ with UI
then again i might be out my scope
waxen wedge
@upbeat trench thanks again, somewhat working now: https://streamable.com/lpjj7
pallid compass
i hate waiting for project to package so u can test it
never anything to do
too scary to keep doing shiz while it packages lmao
incase i break a thing
pallid compass
Does anyone know how this works for data tables
Its not saying how or why or what causes fields to be declared as X type
fickle topaz
Lets say I wanted my character to be able to expand a object the shrink it back down when it's down.
How would it be done
grim ore
when you import the data table you define the struct it uses so that defines the types
pallid compass
ah gotcha
LogFactory: Error: Failed to load file '../../../../../../OneDrive/Project_M/Documentation/Exp Table.csv' to string
i think im a potato
am i missing something?
been awhile since iv used these
grim ore
so A2 should be like Level1 and A3 Level2 etc.
and maybe make sure you just select the fields you want and export just those so you get no blanks
grim ore
😦
I just checked and this is what I used without issue for an older jam https://i.imgur.com/o1WuGG5.png
pallid compass
ima restart my engine
might be hot reload issue
OH wow
@grim ore
turns out u cant import .csv
If its open in another piece of software
grim ore
ah lol
pallid compass
hmmm i wonder what exponential formula to use
Level = Math.max( Math.floor( constA * Math.log( XP + constC ) + constB ), 1 )
hmmm
this kinda looks nice
tribal pebble
Sup ma homies , does anyone have some Resources (tutorials ecc) , of Cinematic Interactions??
as an example , immagine the D00M (2016) Glory Kills , i would love animations to interact like that between 2 Characters
i don't even know what's that called like , so i can't search for tutorials ^^"
paper kernel
[generic cinematics]
not much to tutorialize on that
snap to preset location, play animation, do a custom camera movement curve
tribal pebble
got something on preset locations? , does it work like an empty in blender ?
pallid compass
what?
tribal pebble
what what? 😮
pallid compass
"got something on preset locations? , does it work like an empty in blender ?"
im not sure what your asking
btw anyone here decent with excel formulas?
simple pebble
anyone hit me up with what i did wrong trying to make it so i can open and close doors
grim ore
what does/does not happen?
simple pebble
nothing happens at all
pallid compass
try using Rinterp
soft temple
try setting a brake point on your branch there
chances are you getting not what you're expecting in that bool
simple pebble
i put enable input and disable input wrong i make the target the controller
now change actorpoint of a static mesh LOL
restive eagle
any ideas why object physics stutter outside the skysphere?
inland pagoda
Hey guys, one could sell 3d props on the unreal marketplace? (I don't know how it work or if it is a thing, I only know there is a thing called marketplace lol)
restive eagle
@inland pagoda https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/marketplace-faq
inland pagoda
thanks!
and you get a share of 70% revenue from the sales, Epic gets 30%. <-- I've found this online on a topic few years old, does this still olds true??
plush yew
Okay hear me out and tell me if this is a bad idea.
I'm working with a sandboxy game concept, and I'm at the point where I'd like to start implementing my world, since a big chunk of my framework is done for the rest of the stuff.
So I'm going with cubic chunks, since cave systems and all that. Verticality is important to me and I'd like to keep it potentially unlimited.
So, my plan was - for chunking of the world, I wanted to add a single "chunk manager" actor every N units, that will be in charge of a cubic area in the world. These are managed by a world manager actor that is always loaded. Chunk managers are created on demand, and then catalogued in the world manager, responds to the GameMode.
Chunk managers are responsible for every single WorldObject in their area, and are responsible for saving, loading, etc. of everything in their defined area.
This all seems to work out fine in my head. You guys seeing any red flags? I'd like to at least have a reasonable plan before starting on implementing all this.
worn granite
IIRC they're making a minecrafty game
plush yew
@silver crown I'm trying to find a way to implement a completely fire-and-forget, flexible way to do a chunk-based world in UE4. I've got very little experience with doing these things so I'm just trying to lift myself by the bootstraps over here.
mint sequoia
Hahahhaa wtf is this
http://store.steampowered.com/app/824270/KovaaKs_FPS_Aim_Trainer/
Someones trying to fool people
plush yew
Not sure if they're trying to fool people or just made a purely functionality-oriented training tool for people who wanna improve their FPS skills
I could see how a fully customizable practice tool is useful
worn granite
I'm not sold on the depth of customizability here
restive eagle
if you look closely all the reviewers got the game for free
worn granite
Nor am I sold on the effectiveness of a aim trainer
restive eagle
probably there was a deal to leave a positive review for a free game key
worn granite
if they've got super impressive customization, why not show it?
plush yew
yeah that makes sense
worn granite
And the UI does no favors to the project
vale osprey
looks like ue4
vale osprey
there is a good trainer for CS, but its a map for CS 😄
plush yew
@worn granite Did anything I write there set off any red flags or should I just go ahead and implement this system? Lacking a frame of reference here tbh and I'd like to have some confidence before I start.
mint sequoia
Looks like a scam to me lol
worn granite
You're gonna want to have some concept of persistently loaded entities, I think.
And also entities other than the player which can load a chunk.
But, aside from missing those concepts I think its a good start.
Each chunk will want to be able to interact with its neighbors for - say - not rendering faces that are interior/notvisible after one chunk is loaded.
If you can keep it pretty data oriented such that you're not having to load manager-specific data I think that'll do just fine.
silver crown
#clangisawesome
potent silo
i need your guys help, i hope you know
how do you spawn your character before other blueprints?
vale halo
@mortal gale Yep, UE4 is pretty demanding 😂 May even want to consider upping your SWAP size. And secondly, #ClangIsAwesome
(Pretty sure some of UE4s blueprint is built using LLVM, the same "compiling engine" that powers Clang)
mortal gale
Clang is LLVM. LOL
You don't need fuckin' lld.
lld just screws up on here.
So I made it not use lld. lol
vale halo
Well, technically Clang is a frontend to LLVM (I could be wrong).....I think 🤔
livid haven
@vale halo That sounds about right.
Not sure about BP using any kind of LLVM tech though.
mortal gale
clang is in the LLVM package, that is.
vale halo
I may be wrong, and messing things up from when I was trying to figure out a node based coding thing
It does have LLVM in it's ThirdParty directory though 🤔
vale halo
Nvm, apparently they considered it but then found it too big of a task: https://trello.com/c/BMpHdWT8/795-removed-investigate-llvm-as-a-viable-backend-for-blueprints
vale halo
Still, you'll most likely never really encounter issues and there's a few things built in to ZSH that were quite literally life-changing for me
I guess bash can probably be extended to achieve roughly the same though 🤔
vale halo
I'll stick with this 😉
mortal gale
ew, GNOME, the most inefficient pile ever.
vale halo
(Well....I do plan on switching to i3 some time, but I keep putting it off)
silver crown
i3 ftw
plush yew
mortal gale
plush yew
how would I go about this?
vale halo
Never really liked KDE myself though 🤔
inland pagoda
how come that ascii image match your avatar?!
plush yew
I just want to set a bool in another blueprint
inland pagoda
what sorcery is this
mortal gale
Well, 10 is shit, 10 sucks, I'm never going to run it, I'm never going to try it again.
vale halo
@plush yew Not 100% sure, but try connecting the "Pawn" to the Cast's "Object" pin
mortal gale
I'd choose Vista SP2 over 10.
vale halo
Wait...that doesn't really make any sense either 🤔
vale halo
@silver crown Yeah....I was about to say 🤔 Sowwy
mortal gale
Not a single role.
worn granite
rekt
silver crown
lol
worn granite
@ admin Kappa
vale halo
Still, we shouldn't go too off-topic here, sowwy for starting it.....ZSH is just better than all
spring fjord
...
mortal gale
Hey, it was on Clang's RAM usage, and UE uses Clang.
I want the UE3 source code, well, post-2012 that is.
worn granite
yeah and then I chimed in with windows hate - Ue4 really loves windows for no reason. Still relevant.
worn granite
vale halo
Building kinda sucks though
worn granite
Well, where's the launcher?
mortal gale
You don't need a fuckin' launcher.
vale halo
It can take me up to 12hrs+
worn granite
Where muh binaries
mortal gale
Launcher is for WIndows pussies.
worn granite
MP content?
vale halo
Marketplace is kind of a thing though
urban gyro
Aight so if I have the same logic in 2 separate projects, and it works in one and not the other, with all the settings bein identical, then it has to be an engine bug right?
worn granite
You don't need it
but clearly they're only doing the minimum. Shit compiles, yo.
community people are doing most of the work, aren't they?
vale halo
Hm, that sounds like a pretty odd issue. Have you tried removing the Intermediate/Binaries folder and restarting the editor for the project that doesn't work?
(That can fix some really, really random errors at times 😂)
urban gyro
the issue is that the player controller doesnt have an owner upon joining a server, ill try the binaries/intermediate
pallid compass
always assume its you and not the engine
urban gyro
i know
silver crown
It's never the engine
urban gyro
thats why im dumbfounded
silver crown
Unless it's the engine
vale halo
But since it works in one of your editors, it's not (easily) reproducable....so will pretty much for sure be "rejected" when reported, and is most likely caused by something that was missed/something generated being off
mortal gale
urban gyro
well, if you press 1 hooked to a print string, it should always print...
mortal gale
I have a MarketPlace.
worn granite
You or a community member did that
vale halo
Good point - there was that CLI by Allar too
mortal gale
Community Member.
worn granite
Anyway we're killing the joke
pallid compass
Casting, get a ref
worn granite
#blueprint pins, watch that long video
pallid compass
You can pretty much always cast
vale halo
Somehow obtain a reference to the other blueprint, then cast it, and then set the variable
vale halo
What @pallid compass said, but the screenshot you're showing doesn't appear to have a valid reference. Did you add that function yourself, or was it built in?
pallid compass
plug pawn in to object
vale halo
Also, how are you called it? (it it's custom)
worn granite
if you've watched the video then you gotta think of how your project is structured and when reference are available.
pallid compass
and hook cast output to set
worn granite
You'll know that better than us.
pallid compass
and hook a print string off the cast failed
plush yew
vale halo
Yeah - the thing you're trying to use is most likely an actor, and not a pawn
vale halo
^
urban gyro
you can only cast down, not up
vale halo
You can cast up right?
urban gyro
unless interface