I fear GDC will be too focused on using UE 4 for TV or something like that 😛
#ue4-general
honest vale
ionic hornet
@cloud cobalt thx for help
cloud cobalt
I want a GDC session where Epic goes all "We've fixed all these things that technically are in the engine but don't really work"
Like I tried using FABRIK animation last week-end - great, it's already in the engine ! Aaaand it's a community feature that doesn't support physics constraints, so it's only useful for limited use in organic models
Like how particle lights technically work but actually are a worthless piece of shit
Or dynamic shadows of hell
reef mortar
@honest vale I thought it was only me that had this impression that recently Epic is talking about everything but games, hah.
honest vale
yup
cloud cobalt
@lyric owl I was talking about Epic 😃
cloud cobalt
That's a bit hyperbole but Epic often appears to follow trends while forgetting day-to-day gamedev
lyric owl
Considering they have a lot of success with Fortnight it's all good
wary wave
Epic follows trends because that's what the mob at large demands
lyric owl
yeah trends are good got to be on cutting edge
wary wave
however their own day-to-day game dev seems to follow trends too, but way, way too late
cloud cobalt
Mobs don't make what Fortnite & PUBG make though
wary wave
Fortnite being the obvious exception in that regard
lyric owl
it's not about money
wary wave
it's always about money, it's business
cloud cobalt
UE4 is a really great engine that has some glaring issues for mid-level users - those who can't afford large engine changes, but are actually shipping games and need robust features
There's a consistent trend at Epic where they announce shiny great new GDC-style features, only to kind of forget about them once they've been released once
I don't remember how many times I used a feature only to discover it's only partially supported
frank escarp
@cloud cobalt not really
medium level users are gold with ue4
biggest issue with ue4 is the noobs
due to all the tools and C++ being C++
i know plenty of serious indies, and they never need to touch the engine code
at most, something llike what ive done
single line small tweaks
cloud cobalt
But then we're also stuck with stupid issues we can't fix ourselves, like shadowing, particle lights, etc
reef mortar
My biggest problem with Unreal so far is the lack of DRY.
To build a dedicated server... geez.
@cloud cobalt we technically can. It's open-source, though yes it requires certain knowledges and all..
subtle heart
Why is ue crashing when I initialize a Timer like this GetWorldTimerManager().SetTimer(TimerHandle, this, &AProjectile::Explode, MaxAliveSeconds); (at begin play on an actor)
subtle heart
oh, sorry ^^
cloud cobalt
@reef mortar It's not that simple imho. We went through every release from 4.1 to 4.19, for years, because it's a long term project and we need active support for Linux etc. Doing changes in rendering etc isn't possible because we'd need to maintain that all the time
Unless you get it high quality enough to submit for a PR
reef mortar
That's what I meant. I mean, regardless of the issue you can always open a PR.
I agree, not simple at all.
devout gulch
unless your rendering PR is few lines long and fixes some glaring performance issue
it's not going to be accepted
don't even bother
cloud cobalt
Basically what I dislike is that the engine feels a bit stretched to partially support some cutting edge features, without really stabilizing the thing for everyone
reef mortar
Agreed. 😃
cloud cobalt
Typical examples being lighting channels (or the FABRIK stuff I was talking about)
reef mortar
Am a newcomer to this Unreal world but I have this same sensation regarding various things. Lots of nice features, but a lack of polishment is always there.
devout gulch
Kite Demo is my favorite
done once
barerly working
and all the tools used to make it
are now barerly working
cloud cobalt
Now the engine is great as it is imho, compared to the competition. It's been a great enabler for me.
reef mortar
Even comparing to Unity?
cloud cobalt
Yeah
I'm mostly a material / programmer person, Unity wasn't even a consideration before material graph
And C++ is great for me
It's just annoying to see the heavy push for VR stuff or CAD stuff while fairly old features are all but forgotten
reef mortar
It's all about money, right? Haha.
frank escarp
unreal 5% is bigger than unity
i pay now more money to unreal than if i just bought unity pro
cloud cobalt
Unity is obviously cheaper for all but failed free-to-play games really
reef mortar
@frank escarp what do you mean by unreal 5% is bigger than unity?
specifically unreal 5%?
frank escarp
unreal cost is 5% of GROSS sales
reef mortar
oh ok gotcha
frank escarp
means that if you game costs 20 dollars in the store, you need to give unreal 1 dollar
before the store 30% cut
before taxes
before bank fees
reef mortar
geez stop! lol
reef mortar
I'm Brazilian. Have all that plus exchanging taxes. 🙄
devout gulch
the only reason it's done this way, isto prevent creative booking
cloud cobalt
Though it's gross sales minus refunds and taxes
cloud cobalt
For a 20 dollar game, it's more like 5% of 18 dollars
devout gulch
you can at least try to account it into cost for taxing
cloud cobalt
But yeah for you, it's more like 10%
frank escarp
just commenting on DWVR cost
devout gulch
but if you think you are going to make lots of money you should get custom license
frank escarp
30% from Sony/Steam, plus tax, plus bank fees (fucking bank)
cloud cobalt
To be fair, Steam is 30 fucking percent, 6 times more than UE4, and even state taxes are more than UE4
frank escarp
and then i have to pay around 0.7 dollars per sale at 15 dollars
cloud cobalt
Even my bank is close to one percent total I think
frank escarp
the problem is the stacking Stranger
tall pendant
lol. an 30% cut is already an catastrophy from an ecomonic pov
reef mortar
Everything is more than UE4. 😛
plush yew
most music royalty cuts are about 50 - 80% so 5% is completely fine imo in comparison
cloud cobalt
UE4 is the biggest help for me, and one of the cheapest. I'm very much fine with it myself
plush yew
Steam is 30%? damn.. i mean they do host download services, matchmaking (so you can find others to play), achievements & more
frank escarp
well, i have actualprofit from my games, so im happy
sadly my games are not big enough to be worth a custom license
i mean DWVR has sold around 35.000 or so. Im paying Epic a 5% of that
plush yew
that is fine though as their engine literally powers the game right?
reef mortar
Better 70% of something than 100% of nothing right?
cloud cobalt
Basically there isn't a scenario where you would be rich with Unity and not with UE4. You're looking at 5-10% of your revenue, and obviously you need to take into account the difference in productivity (Unity might be better, UE might be).
frank escarp
depends on the game
cloud cobalt
If you're better with Unity or close, go for it
plush yew
Unity seems way better for multi-world survival games
UE4 is better for 3D or multiplayer, Unity for mobile and VR
in general
reef mortar
I'm into a topdown project and at the beginning I had the sensation UE lacks a few features it could improve the productivity for people working on these kind of games.
topdown/rts/moba-y.
plush yew
what kind of features?
harsh thistle
@everyone I have a problem when i import my mesh.....its uvs are triangulated as if i triangulated the mesh but i never triangulated it....and i think that trangulation of those uvs create the error of uv overlaping....i have a small section of lightmap in my uvs so the eror is 9.2-9.4% overlapping.......can someone help me??
plush yew
btw, @ here doesn't work
reef mortar
@plush yew A simple example: movement. To understand that my character had to be controlled by an AI that only receives the input from my controller to move towards a given direction... geez, that was painful. I am not 100% exactly how this could be improved, but I'm certain that it's possible.
plush yew
Sounds like you just need to learn more about the engine
reef mortar
Also, Fog Of War. It requires HLSL. Have no idea.
lyric owl
@harsh thistle just don't have long polygones
reef mortar
@plush yew well, that time has passed. And yes, I realised it was a lack of knowledge of the engine. But I feel that a few things could be more intuitive. At that time I could name these things, but not anymore because I just can't remember exactly. =/
plush yew
There are certainly some things that could be improved but a lot of the time it is too specific like fog of war, or needs futher understanding like the relationship between classes
Controllers controlling pawns makes sense really I think
reef mortar
It totally makes!
harsh thistle
@lyric owl can u elaborate in sence of my model??
reef mortar
I honestly just don't remember what were my thoughts back then, otherwise I could elaborate better.
plush yew
@gui#2750 got it! hopefully it all becomes clearer in the future, it's a huge engine with a lot of features, can often feel overwhelming and too complex when learning
lyric owl
but actually use sure that you don't have overlaping uv's ?
lyric owl
no then you unwrap your model
harsh thistle
its just fine in blender
lyric owl
you should check for overlapping uv's
harsh thistle
how can i check that....
lyric owl
show you seams
reef mortar
For sure! @plush yew
Unreal is a game changer to me. Really happy with it, because even though sometimes something seems hard to achieve, when I do, the reward is just great!
plush yew
Exactly! I've never had so much fun with something
You can truly bring your ideas to life
reef mortar
YES, EXACTLY!
Having fun all day, everyday. That's exactly my feeling these days that I'm working 100% with it. 😄
plush yew
Doesn't even feel like work 😄
harsh thistle
@lyric owl these are my seams
reef mortar
Not at all. Geez. Comparing the routine I'm having today versus the old job...
Don't even like to remember.
lyric owl
bake this bevels to normal map and use simple box for door could be better
harsh thistle
@lyric owl I am truly a newby i started learning blender long ago....tried to make a model for dota 2 then stuck on uv maping and texturing.....then i thought i should take a basic model first so i took ther door and then stuck on same topic
and if i want to make a complex model that has perfect collusions and all that stuff...
harsh thistle
i mean i want it to be a realistic model
even i was able to do this without any problem
lyric owl
turn your wood 90 degrees
harsh thistle
i mean i want a good teacher who could teach me in detail
lyric owl
it's usually like this on the doors
harsh thistle
ooh u mean perpendicular texture
lyric owl
best advise I can give go and find yourself some intern job
wide lark
Hallo
lyric owl
use reference
harsh thistle
@lyric owl Dude iwant to do engineering first then game development school
plush yew
I recommend just practicing even over an internship
There are tons of videos online
And lots of great reference
lyric owl
yeah but this is slower
plush yew
Just takes time to practice and train yourself
I don't know about sitting with someone in a studio would be faster
Doing tutorials paid or free and lots of practice usually has a good result
lyric owl
you need someone with better visual library then you
plush yew
If you watch someone doing something, it's very rarely transferred
lyric owl
someone with experience
plush yew
If you watch them in a tutorial and do it right after, you retain a lot more
harsh thistle
but i prefer doing what @plush yew says as my parent wont be sure for a ob in this field till i complete my study till engineering
lyric owl
if you don't have visual library you not going to tell what is good
even finding good tutorials is hard
plush yew
It's an important skill to build up your own reference library
You won't get a good eye from just sitting near an experienced person
You have to find it yourself
@harsh thistle regarding that door
your wood-size is wrong
it's like a zoomed in picture of a plank stretched over a whole door
look at a picture of an actual door
lyric owl
you will do that faster with experienced person
in uni this experienced person attention goes on more people so it's have less effect
basically it's better to have mentor
wide lark
Also, are most doors vertical grain or horizontal?
wide lark
Vertical?
plush yew
@wide lark there's no such thing as a 'game design job'
lyric owl
then long lines go with the shape
wide lark
@plush yew What would be a better description of a job helping design a game?
plush yew
also, you could just use image search and look for a wooden door
that depends on what you think 'design a game' means
does it involve art
or code
or just 'ideas'
wide lark
Creating the systems. Enemy AI, triggering events, character concepts, story concepts, mechanics...
plush yew
okay there's kind of what i'm getting at, those are all kind of seperate jobs.
and that seems to be a very recurring theme amongst young folks coming into the gamedev scene
wide lark
Well, I'm making my own game right now so I don't know limits @.@
plush yew
in the current sense of what a 'game designer' does, it's really mostly just spreadsheeting in excel
and drawing up diagrams and flowcharts
wide lark
To design the mechanics or story? Or what? Budget?
keen birch
Mechanics
A game designer comes up with how a game should, in theory, work and play
Everyone else then comes in to realize that vision
plush yew
well, unless you're thinking in terms of a one-man team, or a small group of maybe 3 or 4 people
a lot of these jobs will end up being just one person doign a thing
writer will do the writing
keen birch
Absolutely
plush yew
artist will do art, sometimes both concept and ingame
usually not though
coder will do the code in cooperation with a designer
keen birch
I'm a two-man team, so we both wear tons of hats
plush yew
there's almost never a case where you'll be doing everything, and even if you're a one-man-team, you'll likely end up seeking outside help
something as simple as comissioning an artist for a few pieces of concept art
keen birch
But ya know, the definition of game designer ;3
wide lark
So... I really like designing mechanics.
keen birch
It's easier to be good at five things that to be good at ten things
plush yew
if you enjoy designing game mechanics, it's probably a good idea to just prototype stuff
lucky for you, you can do that all with just nodes now
keen birch
Define designing mechanics
COming up with them or programming them?
Game feel would be atmosphere, the way you intend for the player to feel while playing, that sort of thing
And just how the game feels to play
An abruptly-moving camera feels different from a smoothly-moving camera
That sort of thing
wide lark
So like.. you ever play MOBAs?
plush yew
sure
wide lark
Who would design the skills for the characters?
Like who would design them and make sure they feel good to use
Or feel right
graceful grove
I'll be the ideas guy 
cloud cobalt
^
plush yew
😄
generally, there'll be an idea, what sort of character, what sort of identifying elements will it have, what sort of 'style' then concept comes in, define the looks etc, a designer will come up with come abilities, will ti eb AOE, or a direct one hit, with a following DOT, tht stuff
then an FX person will make the effects for it, and an audio guy will do the audio
wide lark
I mean yes, I would love to share my ideas, because I love risk reward balancing. The reason is I play at diamond/masters level in MOBAs because I understand skills at a base level and the thought of designing things like that sounds fun to me
plush yew
all those things have to work together to make it 'feel' right
it's not a single thing
cloud cobalt
In a 100-man project like DotA you'd find at least a few people to work on pure game design, but for most people here, that person is going to be the one doing the implementation too
And "coming up with ideas" will be the entire group
plush yew
I'll be the ideas guy for $5/minute
keen birch
What Stranger said
plush yew
i'm currently just a 2-man team, so i'm working on all environment, particle effects, all the visual technical stuff, and my buddy is doing characters and code, i'll have to outsource a lot of the audio probably, since we're just not competent at thet.
but at my job i'm just a guy doing tech art
i dont touch even remotely the amount of stuff i have to handle on my own project
cloud cobalt
It's part of the game design role
Which could be a dedicated job (for a large project) or not
The short version is that for any team smaller than say, 20, no one will only do "ideas" and "design", or even only writing
Except if it's like a really writing-oriented game
wide lark
Right
plush yew
i mean shit, i work in a 500 people team, and half the time nobody knows what the plan is for anything, until somehow 'theres a plan'
because someones job was making that plan
in THAT case, that's a full time job, and it'd liekly be a designer.
cloud cobalt
For small teams, especially <5, everyone on the team needs to be super technical, and you don't need guidance on ideas or balance because you kind of make it up as you go
Because you simply don't have enough time anyway
The most important part of indie game design is finding a game idea that your small team can pull off with quality
wide lark
I'm just trying to find out what I want to do with myself lol
plush yew
Is it possible to add a source-built UE4 to the epic games launcher so i can download marketplace assets? (Without downloading non-source UE4)
cloud cobalt
@wide lark Well, do you enjoy writing code ? Creating art ? Composing music ?
wide lark
I enjoy creating >>
I don't know how to do music or art very well but I like writing code.
I like making changes and seeing immediate results
cloud cobalt
You're probably looking for a gameplay programmer role, then.
wide lark
I use to design and code races in a CS Warcraft mod.. now I'm designing my own thing and coming up with the world concepts is fun but also implementing them is fun too because I get to see the results of my work and tweak it to feel right
Like designing a dash that works how I want it to and to make it feel good.
Also, is there a blueprint that let's you ignore actor collision but not world?
Like if you wanted to be able to dash through an enemy
cloud cobalt
@wide lark Yeah, play with collision channels
wide lark
I was trying to find that but I couldn't find collision channel in my searching under blueprints
I only searched for like 30 minutes then had to head to bed
harsh thistle
@everyone can someone map my uvs for my door .....see those pics above...so i can get exactly where i missed....
plush yew
hey ninja, what you like, ios the dopamine that you get from seeing an immediate result of your actions
it's the 'i love it when a plan comes together' feeling
find the medium that lets you do that the best
wether it's art, or code, or blueprint
or heck, even modding, there's modders that make custom characters or buildings or whatever
and they make THOUSANDS on patreon
it's a legitimate career choice
wide lark
Yeah, pretty much. I feel like I'm not skilled enough yet. I taught myself how to mod the CS Warcraft mod by reading the code and modifying it xD
plush yew
i taught myself to model by ripping models from games and studying them
and now i have the luxyrt of being able to work wherever i want
but that includes 10 years of experience
it's a totally legitimate way of learning
wide lark
I don't feel like modeling or art design is for me, honestly. As much as I love creating things... It doesn't feel like a strength to me
plush yew
nobody starts out with anything as a strength
wide lark
When it comes to coding, my brain is like: Oh, logic stuff. I got this.
plush yew
you have to try a bunch of stuff, see what you enjoy and what come snatural
then just do it more
youll never get great at something you dont enjoy doing
do do what you enjoy, and getting good at it becomes literally inevitable
wide lark
That's why I'm playing in Unreal Engine
It combines my two favorite things.
Gaming and creating
I feel like if I have a little time and someone who I can ask questions, I'll be able to do a ton in 6 months
Or if I had like someone else to work with who knows what they are doing lol
Once I know how to do something, I typically don't forget.. it's just knowing what I need to know
Any takers? Lol
plush yew
if you've got any art-questions, you can always ask me, i'm happy to assist
better do it in private messages though, wouldnt want to get banned for giving suggestions
cloud cobalt
No one will ever ban you for suggesting anything in a professional manner, obviously
@wide lark Basically many people want to get into game dev, few succeed, even fewer do it for a living, so be sure to have your life priorities sorted
No matter what you want to do, you'll get support here
wide lark
That's why I haven't quit my day job xD
cloud cobalt
Same for me here
plush yew
most people make some dumb shit, think they did a good job, and then realise that reality doesnt want their shitty maze95 clone that they sold their house for to finance
but that's nothing to do with gamedev, that's just people being dumb and making bad choices in life
wary wave
Most people who make games for a living never owned a house in the first place :p
lower salaries + expensive locations + job instability = renting for life
plush yew
most people who make games for a living aren't even very good at it...... believe it or not.. it's just that someone with SOME clue is better to have than someone with NO clue.
cloud cobalt
It's all about life choices, i'll definitely not quit a day job until A) my game sells like PUBG or B) I have a house and my children are safe from need
Well, selling like 1% of PUBG would be fine too
You get the idea
plush yew
1% 🤣
i think .1% would still be fine tbh
the guy who sits next to me did all the vehicles for pubg
even if they made $15/sale (for 30 mill sales) when they sell for like $25 a sale
they would make 450 mill
found his thingy
damn 😛
cloud cobalt
These are great
plush yew
ye not everyone here is a fresh face to gamedev.
cloud cobalt
Yeah, some of us have been here for quite some time
grim ore
Does anyone know where the Microphone Capture Component is at in 4.19?
wide lark
Welp
wise prism
Idk where the hell that thing is in any versions @grim ore
grim ore
well it was added in 4.19 I just can't find it. I think it's in a plugin that I don't have enabled, the rest of the new audio stuff is like that, but for the life of me I can't find it. That or the preview 6 just doesn;t have it
hazy lynx
hello guys! Stupid question. Asked about a bug on the forums and got an answer that I should apply a changlelist some number to make it work. I have no clue what that is or where to find it. Google turns out nothing. Does anyone know what I'm suposed to do?
silver crown
@hazy lynx link?
hazy lynx
It's on a closed part of the forum. Nintendo switch related
hazy lynx
"I believe changelist (some number) will solve your problem."
silver crown
If you look at the github commits (like https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/commit/c42f71fa1723bf003daba1b13a4b02fc9727c802 for instance), there's CL (some number)
What's the changelist number?
frank escarp
@silver crown perforce
silver crown
Ah ok
surreal viper
is there a way to declare a component in C++ but define it in BP, maybe with a subclass?
like in C++ I can do Super(ObjectInitializer.SetDefaultSubobjectClass<UMyCharacterMovementComponent>(CharacterMovementComponentName)) in MyCharacter class constructor
I want to do something similar but with the ability to select my component class in BP
plush yew
I just recently built UE4 from source, Am i supposed to have a UE4Editor executable in Engine\Binaries\Win64\
tawdry birch
Is there someone from Epic staff who's responsible for user support?
I have an account bruteforce lockdown here that hasn't been lifted after 2 hours. (Support emails auto reply they not being monitored, and the only way to get help is to login at help.epicgames.com...
I would want to be able to login into my account or enable 2 factor auth. How can I solve my problem?
Thanks
@wicked tiger @fallow cliff @elfin jacinth @blissful reef @finite flame @hot carbon @torn valley
tawdry birch
Sorry but that's an emergency situation for me :)
And help@ and account@ emails do not work (which they should)
urban gyro
dude why would you tag the entire epic staff team lol 😄
tall pendant
perhaps the <@&213101288538374145> can help you 😄
urban gyro
didnt realize mods had access to epic accounts
silver crown
They don't
tawdry birch
neither of accounts@unrealengine.com help@epicgames.com emails work (they only sent autoreply of not being monitored)
and help.epicgames.com required to login before getting help about epic account...
So that's brilliant...
urban gyro
wait, they actually say that nobody is monitoring them? why do they even exist then lol 😄
tawdry birch
yeah
Thank you for your email. This email address is not monitored. For support, please visit http://help.epicgames.com.
urban gyro
whats a bruteforce lockdown?
tawdry birch
they fucked up big time 😮 I could lose my account possibly
silver crown
Probably had too much spam with fortnite
tawdry birch
bruteforce lockdown == alert that someone tried way to many wrong login attempts and it has been locked for 120 minutes
but the problem is 2 hours passed about 3 hours ago and account didn't unlock T_T
urban gyro
you can still launch the engine tho
silver crown
Maybe you're still being bruteforced
silver crown
And yeah, epic account isn't vital
tawdry birch
yeah I hope it's just a database update lag
tawdry birch
but who guarantees the attacker won't try bruteforcing again before I could login?
urban gyro
do u really think ppl just stop developing when the login queue gives u 2 hr wait time lol 😄
tawdry birch
account isn't vital that's ok, but if it's cracked by attacker then my personal info leaks + I don't remember if I linked a bank card to my account or not
tawdry birch
unless epic didn't implement 2 factor auth till february 2018 😃
urban gyro
u need thousands of bumps just to even have a remote chance of bruteforcing a bad password
tawdry birch
I'd had 2 factor auth enabled right from the account creation but well yeah...
tawdry birch
you aren't seeing the whole picture
urban gyro
if anything somebody is probably trolling u 😄
silver crown
What's strange is account lockdown, should just ban the IP
tawdry birch
attacker can constantly lock my account out and I have no means to get into contact with epic to resolve the issue
tawdry birch
help.epicgame.com requires LOGIN to get help about epic account
urban gyro
why not create a new acc and access the help?
silver crown
Else you can DM their twitter account I think
tawdry birch
okay thank you for suggestions! I'll try that
but that's a horrible user experince T_T
digital anchor
any way to change manually the path of the referenced assets on a .umap
i deleted the redirectors by mistake
urban gyro
it's only needed for new engine versions. I don't see why you're so worried @tawdry birch
elfin jacinth
Hey there @tawdry birch, go ahead and PM me, I'll see what I can do (This is day 2 for me, so I don't promise the world)
urban gyro
and there's your salvation 😄
silver crown
Also after that you may want to link your google account
elfin jacinth
I changed my name, so don't freak 😃
urban gyro
hey any way i can get a link to that? wouldnt mind linking my stuff
plz just dont give me lmgtfy links 😛
silver crown
Web too
elfin jacinth
I use 2FA for everything
urban gyro
na, web only has twitch psn and xbox
silver crown
No 😉
urban gyro
i find 2fa super annoying
honest vale
you get used to it
silver crown
urban gyro
id rather just have a beast password
honest vale
beast password doesn't help when someone stores it in plaintext and it's then leaked
tawdry birch
@silver crown yeah thanks another advice I'll follow asap! 😃
honest vale
I mean the service provider
the thing you log into
they store your password in some form
urban gyro
yeah so they get hacked i lose 1 acc, big deal
urban gyro
and they all probably hashed anyway
honest vale
my email address and other account details have been leaked in 8 separate occasions 😄
urban gyro
mine 13
silver crown
Just UE for me 😃
urban gyro
but thats just the email
honest vale
after the leakedin leak I started using different passwords for each service I use
tawdry birch
oh wow twice 😮 someone is really hating epic and ue out there in anonymous O_O
silver crown
nah, just old forums software
urban gyro
the old database injection trick hah
silver crown
Epic forgot to update
honest vale
yea, I was lazy before
urban gyro
have a crap password for garbage services
honest vale
my EA account got "hacked" because someone called EA customer support and talked them into changing my password
I noticed when my email address changed to some .ru domain one
urban gyro
as long ur mail is intact any account is recovarable
honest vale
it wasn't
except by calling EA support
they changed the email, password, security question, everything
urban gyro
then EA is weird, i'm not aware of any service that can change email on acc
i mean they can, but generally shouldnt unless in some extreme case
honest vale
but anyway, now I have hundreds of entries in my keepass vault
urban gyro
ive had my hotmail email since hotmail launched, had like 20 different attacks on it
ha, minecraft accounts were breached, xplains why i got spammed by password reset requests
pasted 80 times, damn 😄
xamarin dropped teh ball
plush yew
last few days my material editor is so laggy
its almost unusable
and ue4 then uses 90+ % in task manager
fervent tree
has anyone had any problems with ue4 not compiling c++ projects
fervent tree
i had installed VS2017 but cant seem to fix this, so im installing VS2015 now to see if it changes that
what version of UE r u running
im running 4.17.2 right now
fierce tulip
@tawdry birch next time dont @ all devs though, we have a rather strict kick policy on that
fervent tree
wait, i think its starting to build now that i changed the VS version to 2015 in the project settings
tawdry birch
@fierce tulip I'm sorry bu that was a critical situation. Also would be nice to fix the confusing "email not monitored" message (that as we learned still creates a ticket but doesn't notify user of it), and also support site require to login in order to get support on account.
What the user would do then? Horrible user experience.
Oh just noticed you're not epic staff
sorry 😄
fervent tree
i see u have that @everyone mention turned off, lol that one is a lot of fun
fierce tulip
yea thank Zeus thats off.
fervent tree
the most dreaded mention in the hands of all members!
elfin jacinth
Thanks for the feedback on that @tawdry birch. We're always looking to improve!
fierce tulip
https://i.gyazo.com/1cbd237b054273571f58fccccec95f43.png
<_< seriously people
cloud cobalt
Reading some of the reviewer spam right now
"Also soon on the site will be added clothes with my logo."
... Okay, that's really interesting
"I want make video with your game"
Reading these with a thick Russian accent is really great
frank escarp
@cloud cobalt avoid everything that smells even slightly like russian/ukranian
every one of them is a scammer
well, probably more like 95%, but can you spot that 5%?
cloud cobalt
Honestly it feels more like 100%
worn granite
@fierce tulip why does he want an VFX artist to teach him multiplayer systems design LUL
livid haven
I'd say developing for VR in general is "harder" than non-VR - you need to optimize more, from the start, to deliver 90 FPS.
worn granite
very few things in UE4 are "easy" for a beginner - making stuff for VR is pretty on par with making, say an RTS I'd say.
in terms of the custom stuff you're gonna do
worn granite
Then, yeah, there's that 90fps target
frank escarp
i do vr becouse tech is what i do best, and it balances my shit design/art skills
livid haven
Well, maybe not "don't bother", but don't start game dev OR UE4 with a VR project.
frank escarp
but vr is serious business, it comes with very serious limitations + perf
worn granite
If you decide to start there, hope you don't get sim sickness
livid haven
I think everyone can get a bit sick with low performance, which is obviously going to happen from time to time (at least) when developing, but especially if you don't already have the experience to know what kind of budgets to set from day one to keep that 90 FPS.
worn granite
I feel like if you're starting with UE4 that VR isn't that much of an extra step - yeah you're not going to be doing it optimally but what are you gonna do optimally?
Just don't expect your first project to be stellar @shut jay
shut jay
oh my projects will be simple, won't be making a complete game or anything
just more to learn
worn granite
That's a good attitude to take for it, I think
ofc if you run into a brick wall you can ask around here for help
shut jay
well I'll ask the big question
shut jay
compared to unity when it comes to vr, is ue more "community friendly"?
frank escarp
its best to start with something like a shooter, or a platformer
as they are barely any edits from the base templates
shut jay
well for my first vr learning project, i'll probably make a burger flipping simulator lol
and expand from there 😛
fervent tree
is it just me or did a new unreal version just pop up
livid haven
Just you.
Last release was 4.18.3, like 2 months ago.
(I can numbers, ignore the typos)
honest vale
this tweet is kinda ironic https://twitter.com/FortniteGame/status/971450932746735616
Twitter
"the official website is INSERT SOME SHORTENED URL HERE THAT REDIRECTS TO WHO KNOWS WHERE"
fervent tree
not sure what preview 6 means. i guess its a test version or something?
tall pendant
Yup.
urban gyro
Are CFG vars saved on termination?
or is there a way to save them manually?
or do i really need to make a save file for a damn volume setting?
hazy lynx
UPROPERTY(Config) types?
hazy lynx
you just have to call Save
hazy lynx
ah, I never worked with those in bp
livid haven
@honest vale That was exactly what I pointed out in an internal e-mail. ^^()
hazy lynx
there is nothing about it in docs so I presume you have to call SaveConfig() from code
urban gyro
aye, can't find either. Seems weird there's no way to do it in bp
livid haven
A) Twitter shortens the URL and B) the website really isn't fortnite.com, though fortnite.com will get you there.
urban gyro
unless it's saved on exit by default, but since i havent packaged i wouldnt know
honest vale
heh
livid haven
Mind you, the actual tweet displays fortnite.com, not the Twitter shortened URL.
urban gyro
maybe i should package and just go watch a movie or smthin
hazy lynx
I'd just make a bp callable function that calls save @urban gyro
urban gyro
I'm limited to BP only for the project
so i guess a save file itll have to be -.-
tx anywya
hazy lynx
by the way, does anyone know perhaps, what changelists are? I have found a comment to an issue I'm having that suggests a changelist some number should be applied.
urban gyro
maybe itll work in packaged
silver crown
@hazy lynx It's a perforce thing
hazy lynx
ah...
urban gyro
UE4 is versioned in P4?
silver crown
I guess you have access to the UE's perforce?
urban gyro
always thought it was SVN
hazy lynx
yes
silver crown
Well never used perforce, but I guess you can do some kind of checkout
Should ask in #source-control
hazy lynx
I'm not very familiar, but thanx a lot for pointing me in the right direction
grim cargo
get trouble finding free highlight material for my horror game anyone can send me
silver crown
highlight material?
grim cargo
yes when you close in object the object will highlight
silver crown
Like when it's selected in UE?
livid haven
@hazy lynx @urban gyro @silver crown Epic uses Perforce internally. Changelists are the Perforce equivalent to Git Commits.
urban gyro
Wonder whos changelist is bigger. Epic's or Nvidia's
silver crown
Nvidia's probably using git
livid haven
What do you mean by bigger?
Like, total number of changelists?
Epic's current Perforce is up to nearly 4 million right now.
silver crown
@grim cargo http://www.michalorzelek.com/blog/tutorial-creating-outline-effect-around-objects/ first YT suggestion after your vid 🤦
livid haven
By no means is that 4 million hand made changelists. Plenty of automation and merging and such involved too.
hazy lynx
@livid haven
Could you prehaps point me to a way to add a specific changelist to my workspace?
hazy lynx
I do
livid haven
Are you an employee of a company with a negotiated licensing agreement with Epic?
hazy lynx
yes
livid haven
Do you have the Perforce client set up already and connected to their server?
hazy lynx
yep
livid haven
In the client, Ctrl + G, type the changelist number in to there.
cursive dirge
@urban gyro who?
hazy lynx
thanx a lot Sion!
urban gyro
Nvidia
cursive dirge
ah
silver crown
Indeed @urban gyro
livid haven
Alternatively, @hazy lynx, "Get Revision...", "Specify Revision Using Changelist", "Only Get Revisions For Files Listed In Changelist"
silver crown
hazy lynx
I think they removed ctrl + g shortcut
hazy lynx
but I found get revision window
urban gyro
but like can't interpolate the changelist count
cedar snow
i guess they're hosting their marketing videos in there 😛 😛
livid haven
Ctrl +G = "Search -> Go to"
cedar snow
@nvidia
urban gyro
but it would be reasonable to assume they got way more than epic
silver crown
This is going to be a pain to debug
hazy lynx
ah, indeed. it didn't work for some reason. Keyboard layout issues perhaps
silver crown
😭
urban gyro
so is that a flipped normal or is there actually missing geo there 😄
silver crown
It's from my voxel plugin
Some holes in some tricky places
Missing geo
Between chunks
urban gyro
well, it's at an incline, so u prolly fucked up some trigo or smthin, no clue at all, not a fan of generators
silver crown
Sadly it's a lot more complex 😐
cedar snow
oh nice. reminds me of astroneer with that low poly look
urban gyro
probably, a lotta math
silver crown
But I'll stop complaining and actually get to work 😉
Thanks @cedar snow 😃
It's also free (kinda)
cedar snow
does that include the source?
silver crown
@cedar snow Yep MIT
urban gyro
its a generator, would be very convincing to thhe chievment hunters
silver crown
But there's a pro version coming soon with more features
cedar snow
nice, might check it out. curious to see that implemented
for the multiplayer part: is the geometry data under the server's authority and players just send their input?
silver crown
If you're interested there's also a YT playlist (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjYKpKPK8E-_lxP5EuRxizhNuNBDYnT15)
@cedar snow Players send their inputs, and the server sends the voxel data to the clients through a custom TCP socket
cedar snow
streaming voxels 😄
cedar snow
yeah, everything else would break it
rose bison
@silver crown how do you handle LODs?
last time I tinkered with marching cubes, that is what got me big time
rose bison
the ones with the toilet issue?
silver crown
rose bison
oh ya, I stumpled upon that
but decided that writing the lookup tables for that was impossible for my brain to process
silver crown
Well they're given by the author
Just need to read those 95 pages
To understand how it works
digital tapir
Hello hello! Me and some friends are working with an exhibition where we are going to use a mocap-suit and have different effects on it for an exhibition. Any tips for effects or general tips for what we could be making in one week? We are using the rokoko-suit and there is no real tutorials on it except for changing the mesh of the character in unreal!
Thanks in advance for anyone who could lend a hand/tip ❤
If you have any tutorials or whatever that you think could suit us id love if you could PM it to me 😃 (we are quite new in the software)
digital tapir
Thanks phyronnaz yeah I will try there aswell
tiny pier
For some reason I can't see the actual sphere on a triggersphere. Have I accidentally switched it off somehow?
urban gyro
Alt+C
tiny pier
Thanks.
plush yew
Hi boys, how are you today?
bitter iris
welp just had to format my hdd
had a system error
How you know your addicted to level design: Chrome > Epic Launcher > UE4 4.18 are the first things i install lol
urban gyro
i usually install drivers first
gloomy pollen
omg its the @silver crown - your plugin is fantastic
gloomy pollen
well i played around with the first one you shared on /r/unrealengine and seeing it progress has been inspiring 😃
languid mica
Here I am @livid haven
livid haven
Sure, will continue here.
languid mica
Where would you like to continue at
livid haven
For context for anyone else who wasn't in #engine-source, I was talking about needing to gain experience as a dev to refine your skills, but also about gritting through the rough first experiences, not setting yourself up for failure with unrealistic expectations.
languid mica
And I have explained that in video game development all the resources you would require are online and accessible
Therefor any questions you have can be answered through research and "FEELING" is not required
livid haven
A lot of knowledge is, but there are still things you have to develop a feel for. The term "feel" here is kind of abstract because, well, it's describing abstract things.
At the end of the day, it even comes down to the way neural pathways develop from doing a thing over and over.
languid mica
I would like a few, not all, examples of abstract things in video game development that cant be researched
livid haven
Like any mental skill, practicing it literally optimizes your brain, physically, to do that kind of thing.
frosty bloom
Are you talking about ALL VGD or only the programming side of it?
languid mica
programming
livid haven
I'm speaking broadly, but it also applies to programming in specific for sure.
languid mica
I have someone else running the artistic side of it
keen parcel
doing a thing over and over very true, related video about habit forming benefits https://vimeo.com/257717109
gloomy pollen
programming is an art itself
languid mica
Yes but its an art that can be researched
If you needed a specific code to run a specific task. That can be reseached
livid haven
Just about anything can be researched and sure, it's easier to prime yourself to do something like programming with less hands-on experience compared to something very physical and/or creative, but it is still an element.
frosty bloom
The artistic side is all about feelz, experience is key for good art.
Programming requires quite a lot of experience before you can do stuff in a usable manner (My opinion).
worn granite
I'd say at that point you aren't learning to program, but rather learning to copy.
livid haven
The problem is that some lessons can't be learned just be reading something - you need to really grok it, understand it intuitively.
gloomy pollen
thats why i stopped following tutorials
languid mica
I dont agree with tutorials at all. Takes to long to understand someone elses point of view
I look at the code
gloomy pollen
how often do you find some code that works exactly the way you want it to
i always have to massage it even when copy/pasting
livid haven
If I tell you you should prefer composition over inheritance and give you a few examples, you might kind of get it, but not necessarily really see the value in it. Same thing with global state and singletons and why they should generally be avoided.
There are so, so, so many interacting bits of knowledge that no one can give you a giant rulebook you memorize on how to be a "good" programmer like them - they can give you some of it, but most of it is all interconnected and not entirely conscious.
languid mica
Sion you just taught me something
which is my point
People can learn things through others experiences, I dont need to experience it myself.
livid haven
I'm not saying you can't learn anything from observation and communication. I'm saying you can't learn everything from it.
tranquil rose
Yeah, those who paints by colors is not exactly an artist until they learn how to tie those colors together for themselfs how they want them to be represented, as a practitioner of many martial weapons, you can watch videos about how to do the different moves but they way you tie them together is up to you to interpret, no one is going to say, do these ten combos like this and you win for sure. Like nunchucks, when I started out I went about learning the moves, but then I had to spend a year just learning how to use them all efficiantly and with great power at the right moments, sure, maybe a teach could have told me how to do it, but I doubt the results would have been the same as the ones I came up with myself.
languid mica
Sion are you saying, in programming, that I cant learn everything there is to learn about the code through research?
gloomy pollen
there are learning styles/preferences, some have to be hands on and experience it themselves
languid mica
preferences are irrelevant we are not talking about optimization.
livid haven
Practically, yes. You can learn everything about C++ as a language, but that won't make you a perfect C++ software engineer.
livid haven
Okay. It won't make you a good C++ software engineer either.
tranquil rose
It looks like your satisfied being mediocre, that's cool.
languid mica
Thats ok. Just trying to build a succesfull video game. Thats what this is all about
mediocre is an opinion sir.
livid haven
I say, build a video game, then another, then another, and inch closer towards success.
But don't assume your first, inexperienced project can be this grandiose affair that'll reach success.
languid mica
Why cant my first game be as succesfull as I want it? Thats my question
livid haven
Because it's just not likely and that's okay.
languid mica
But its possible
livid haven
Because video games are extremely complex.
languid mica
but researchable
livid haven
Not entirely, no.
tranquil rose
Yeah, everything is perspective, your reality is different from mine, pfft. This is a universe built one on and off, when somethings on, its on, when its off, its off, nothing to interpret there.
languid mica
Yes it is. I can learn from others mistakes and triumphs.
livid haven
If it were, then multi-million dollar businesses trying to maximize profits wouldn't ever fuck up if it was just a matter of researching and getting the right answers.
languid mica
But I dont need to build the best game. Just a succesfull one
cloud cobalt
100 games are released every week on Steam, basically 15 per day. How's yours different and unique ? How many journalists are going to cover it ? How many millions of people are you reaching on social media ?
frosty bloom
To build a successful game you have to be good at what you do, in all aspects obviously
gloomy pollen
this guy just needs to be left alone to try to walk the path he think exists
livid haven
But what is successful? Most would say that means either a) being well received critically and/or b) making a profit.
languid mica
@cloud cobalt exactly. All of that is obtained by learning from how the people view the game.
floral heart
@languid mica You don't need to choose the right bet, you just need to get lucky.
gloomy pollen
talk is cheap
livid haven
Neither of those are likely to happen when you don't know enough.
cloud cobalt
@languid mica Mostly all of this is reached by spending hundreds of millions
Simple truth here
frosty bloom
That's what I'm saying too Sion. games like flappy bird are 1 in 100.000
languid mica
@livid haven Now you are understanding. What is successful? thats the question.
But thats not what this is about
frosty bloom
no skills, just lucky hit. so to speak.
languid mica
Its about the ability to learn what people see in a video game
which can be done
Look at steam. Look at the top rated games. See why people like them. And code from that
cloud cobalt
Sales on Steam correlate to player views on Steam, and views on Steam are basically a function of your marketing budget. Look at big editors to see how they do it
languid mica
just an example
cloud cobalt
Best selling games on Steam are just best advertised
And not too shitty
Quality, uniqueness etc are just a multiplier
tranquil rose
I plan on making a bunch of flops before I stick a landing, that is a healthy attitude. Thinking you are going to strike it big the first time with mediocre knowledge and NO EXPERIENCE, that is what we call delusional.
livid haven
I want to make it clear, I'm not trying to discourage anyone from getting in to game development or trying to make their first game, I'm saying don't expect your first game to be a successful magnum opus - it's going to be shit and that's okay. Your next one will be better. If you try to take on something way too big, you'll slow down the learning and iterating process.
languid mica
Im not trying to make the BEST GAME EVER. Im just trying to make a game that I can call my own and have it do well. But Sion thinks that CANNOT happen
cloud cobalt
^
worn granite
when did this become about whether your first game will be successful?
livid haven
I didn't say can't, it's just really unlikely, which is fine. Just have reasonable expectations.
worn granite
Also if your first game takes off please let us all know, that'll be close to a first
languid mica
@worn granite back in the other chat lol
livid haven
@worn granite It's relevant to my saying that you need to learn and refine from experience. It's implied by what I stated - if you need to learn and refine through experience, then the first thing you do is going to be mediocre, at least relatively speaking.
languid mica
unlikely, sure, but how dare YOU tell someone else that there game will be shit.
worn granite
Shows how closely I'm following then, I thought it was about whether you can become a proficient software engineer by reading alone
languid mica
Ahh ya we were having a conversation in the engine-source channel
livid haven
I mean, I dare because I have a lot of experience and I'm far from an isolated advocate of this view.
tranquil rose
Hah, your game will be shit with that dellusional attitude you got towards experience and that is ok man, we all suffer the same human condition.
languid mica
Thats why you would fail then.
cloud cobalt
@languid mica Your first game will be shit because you have no idea what you're doing and how
worn granite
Because I know my limitations?
worn granite
I mean I can work around my shortcomings
cloud cobalt
And maybe it won't be shit, you know, maybe it will just be average, and average games sell a few hundred copies
worn granite
If the game acknowledges it'll be shit then it can at least play off itself
tranquil rose
Do it man, that would be wonderful but dont go around saying its going to be a hit, counting your chickens before they have even been laid as eggs.
languid mica
Im not saying its going to be a hit
im saying its NOT going to be shit
HUGE difference
tranquil rose
that is success man.
cloud cobalt
Sure, but it's also going to be shit
worn granite
From my perspective I see
Hey be realistic, lots of people have had your attitude and they got hit hard by reality
How dare you!!one1!
tranquil rose
if it aint a hit, it isn't successful.
livid haven
@languid mica You strike me as the type who believes in being "hyper-rational". Back up for a second and consider then, what is the likelihood that most people with experience in the game industry who have achieved success share the same conclusions on this subject?
fierce tulip
well he'd be successful at publishing his first game. thats success on its own
many people always say they are going to make a game, a few percent of them start a game, but a minimum even finishes em
id call that a success no matter what
floral heart
You can put a javascript "game" on a web page and call it published.
frosty bloom
The point of this discussion if I understand it correctly is : Don't expect to much from the first game, if you go in with high expectations and it fails miserably you might back out from game dev for reasons that could have been under your control.
livid haven
@fierce tulip For sure, that's where defining your bar for personal success is necessary. But the project will still likely be mediocre because... well... how can it be anything but when you've got so much better to get at things?
cloud cobalt
I'm on my second game myself, it's shipped, it's been years in the making, and I work at a large game company ; I'm really really comfortable saying everyone's first game sucks ass, including mine. Hell, my current game sucks too, looking closely.
The point is, plan it small and nice and easy
Because it's going to suck regardless
fierce tulip
@livid haven and thats why van gogh prolly had so much issues :p
languid mica
@cloud cobalt what game
livid haven
@fierce tulip Also why I opted to become an engineer instead of an artist. Artists always know that their work is shit, until the day they die. Engineers spend their life not knowing how shit they are, perpetually only realizing how shit they were once they become better at it, at which point they're relatively not-shit. 😛
languid mica
@livid haven People who are in the INDUSTRY have different points of views
livid haven
Of course, but this is a pretty common one among industry peers.
I'm not suggesting fallacy.
livid haven
I'm suggesting a correlation.
languid mica
What about people who have succeeded outside the industry
languid mica
no. A game developer who wasnt funded by someone part of the system
worn granite
Don't most people outside of the industry also state that early work is crap and it takes them more than one try to get something good?
livid haven
If you're making games, you're in the game industry.
cloud cobalt
@languid mica Look closely and find a successful game developer who succeeded on his first title
livid haven
Being indie or amateur doesn't make you not a part of the industry, you just might not feel like you are because you don't have much to show for it.
worn granite
Hell I'm on the fringe of this "industry" as you describe and I lean towards a person's early work being shit in comparison to anything else they go on to do
cloud cobalt
Not counting early game history, obviously
rose bison
you just get sooo much better at things over time
languid mica
Why not Stranger?
frosty bloom
Astroid, biggest hit
tranquil rose
The only rational thing you seem to be good at is rationalizing how your right and everyone is wrong xD
fierce tulip
heck, ive been in this industry for quite a while, but I'd expect my first game to be rather shit as well, regardless iof my previous work and game jam wins
livid haven
@tranquil rose Try not to make it personal.
worn granite
Cause when games literally were just becoming a thing, all products on the market were their creators first attempt
tranquil rose
Hah, your right, sorry.
languid mica
@livid haven thank you
cloud cobalt
@languid mica People weren't picky in early game history because anything was new and shiny
Doing a good game in 2018 isn't anywhere near as easy
rose bison
depends on how you define "easy"
floral heart
I was shocked to learn Wolfenstein 3D had an awful 2d predecessor.
rose bison
writing a game in assembler with 2kram
languid mica
@cloud cobalt I agree but People can be studied and then a game can be created with their interests in mind, correct?
cloud cobalt
@languid mica The larger point people are making isn't that you shouldn't do a video game, it's that you need to plan for getting better, and getting better will require doing shit games first
You can study all you want
Doing is different
You don't study paintings for 50 years and become a master
languid mica
Im going to do a good game. NOT SHIT. and then my next game will be a ...gooder(lol) game.
better i know
just lightening the mood
gloomy pollen
well talk is cheap, go do it
tranquil rose
First, get knowledge, second, impliment knowledge repeatedly, third, use knoweldge and experience together to make something successful.
livid haven
Maybe you misunderstand what I mean by "shit". I'm not saying it will be completely unplayable, unfun garbage.
languid mica
@livid haven give me an example of a shit game
just so i know where your head is at
rose bison
just check ludum dare
livid haven
I mean it'll probably be mediocre. It'll be fun because it means something to you, but any random stranger you give it to will get bored in a few minutes because it's just whatever.
cloud cobalt
rose bison
you get a huge pile of ****
cloud cobalt
Here's my first game
tranquil rose
Hah, randomly choose a game on steam, you'll probably hit paydirt.
worn granite
If they even open the game
cloud cobalt
Roast me, etc
rose bison
people trying to make their first games, it is easy to spot low quality games and judge how experienced people making them are
fierce tulip
I think jim sterling has shown enough shitty games XD
floral heart
@cloud cobalt Oh look, a playable art showcase.
fierce tulip
@cloud cobalt too many vertical lines XD
cloud cobalt
(The bad gameplay, I mean)
livid haven
You can expect your first game to be at best medicore with a shred of novelty - maybe it shows some promise, but you can't deliver on it well initially because most of your time and effort is spent learning from your mistakes.
And no amount of reading/watching and not doing it will change that, because, literally, human biology.
rose bison
I think we just encountered a severe case of dunning kruger effect
languid mica
This conversation could have been avoided had I(my fault) not assumed what your classification on SHIT meant
languid mica
Im still waiting on your classification of shit
cloud cobalt
Shit means "no one will remember it as a real game"
languid mica
i want to see examples of a shit game
floral heart
Shit means you will cringe when you look back on it.
floral heart
Apparently Gabe Newell has regrets about Half-Life... that makes it shit.
tranquil rose
It was shit, in retrospect.
At the time it was cutting edge.
Thats the way things go.
floral heart
Yeah, there were some shity parts. Xen. The tanks that couldn't drive. Etc.
languid mica
Thats not the point guys....On release Shit
livid haven
@languid mica Shit, mediocre, subpar, forgettable.
gloomy pollen
yeah and hindsight is 20/20
tranquil rose
Hah, that damn tank!
livid haven
(There was a C&C4?!)
tranquil rose
Fucking dynasty warriors? It wasn't that bad xD
languid mica
@cloud cobalt I promise you our game will be better than ALL of those.
Therefor NOT being shit
gloomy pollen
"drop that beat like an ugly baby" well now...
cloud cobalt
Doubt it
floral heart
Being better than the BOTTOM ONE HUNDRED is not a high bar.
cloud cobalt
@languid mica Most games here have 1 out of 3 players who were happy with a paid purchase
floral heart
🤷🏾
languid mica
in this context
tall pendant
Godus on #17?! that list can't be correct.
cloud cobalt
Anyway, I'm off for today
ionic parcel
what is a good terrain editor to make maps on?
tranquil rose
Yeah, me too, Veach Bot, you sure learned us good. Happy Dev'ing.
cloud cobalt
@languid mica Words of advice from someone who didn't set out to become a game dev - I've worked on games for a decade now on my free time, etc. Start with a really simple singleplayer game that has a decent original idea, complete it entirely, including releasing it to people, fixing bugs, etc. After that you'll have much clearer ideas about games. Most people don't get that far.
floral heart
Considering how Steam Direct has gone, Godus shouldn't even be on the bottom one thousand.
cloud cobalt
90% of people start with an open world multiplayer PUBG wannabe with survival zombies and give up a week after
Don't do that
cloud cobalt
Do something simple and try to do it entirely, even when you see it's shit 😃
fierce tulip
mandatory https://ignantgamedev.tumblr.com
languid mica
FPS are dying
floral heart
PUBG isn't FPS.
tranquil rose
One last thing. I have four really strong game concepts that I have been writing for a looong time, those wont see the light of day until after I have enough experience under my belt to not ruin them.
floral heart
(And the award for nitpick of the year goes to... ME!)
languid mica
ya pubg is a tps right?
cloud cobalt
Anyway, good luck
languid mica
Stranger you said to roast you on your game. Where are your hands bro lol
livid haven
He linked it earlier?
tranquil rose
On your gurl!
floral heart
Obviously Stranger can't aim, or he wouldn't have made the enemies glow in the dark. /roast
frosty bloom
@fierce tulip how have you not renamed yourself to MemeMaistro yet?
livid haven
To the point, Stranger's project looks to be well done, but it's still a forgettable generic FPS... 🤷 It's an accomplishment as a first game, not as a game on the market.
I'm sure he learned a metric fuckton from doing it though.
fierce tulip
lol metric fuckton
livid haven
Multiplayer is a huge one. Creating an account system with persistent statistics, also a lot to be learned from doing that.
I wouldn't even know what to post as my "first game".
gloomy pollen
well everything you have said is inline with what I have experienced thus far
rose bison
I am proud to say that my first game was a pong clone - and it was utter shit
livid haven
Maybe that project I did in the middle of college? It was for a class, but it was my own thing. Totally ripped assets from a flash game though.
rose bison
I loaded a texture every frame and it killed my notebook
gloomy pollen
yes pong clone, me too
languid mica
@livid haven What kind of computer did you use to create your first game. And then my 2nd question is what would you recommend?
livid haven
Oh, sure, I mean, I did the obligatory pong/tic-tac-toe, but those were assignments, not my game. I wasn't writing them from scratch, I was filling in whatever assignment per instructions.
languid mica
Ive noticed a lot of devs dont even have decent computers
So the bottleneck as we talked about earlier happens much faster
livid haven
Uh... it was a school laptop, would have to look at what the specs were
But this was circa 2008, 2009.
My current rig is a monster I built so I could work on Fortnite, so it's not a good comparison point unless you're working on an a) multiplayer b) AAA title.
livid haven
Nah, not that crazy. That's way more than necessary. 32 GB of RAM though.
GTX 980 Ti in this one, 1080 Ti in the other one.
Both have i7-6700Ks.
And 32 GBs of RAM in each.
languid mica
What genre of game hasnt made much headway into the industry?
Or rather has fallen off
Ill include that
livid haven
I don't really need more than 32 GB with my particular work, but I do approach 32 GB running 1 server and 2 clients (1 of which is a full editor session).
tall pendant
Point and Click Adventures.
languid mica
@tall pendant like Diablo?
tall pendant
almost 😄