ue4-general

[wary wave]

I think if I used just vert normal and input normal, I'd get surfaces next to where it has faded out that are not faded at all

[paper kernel]

well it's a valid point tho, do they want it to draw on negative normal surfaces too?

[wary wave]

because it all depends on face normals

[paper kernel]

normal comparison wont draw on negative normal surfaces, pixel depth will

[wary wave]

negative normals as in 'backfaces', you mean?

[paper kernel]

yea

[wary wave]

true enough

I'd want to eliminate those myself if possible, designer hasn't mentioned it

I might be able to use both techniques in conjunction perhaps

use either the min or the max of both tests

probably min

[paper kernel]

but if you're doing like literal spray paint, you wouldn't want those backface prints

[wary wave]

yeah, I don't want them

it annoys me that decals project in both directions down the axis tbh

I shouldn't be having to fix that in the material!

[fierce tulip]

https://i.gyazo.com/26f1105aba3e31ea4884040a719ba851.gif
https://i.gyazo.com/662ec7cdc676fd6b989c9e3485259e0b.gif

exact same world pos offset setup, first material caused some weird crash, 2nd is a new material

[paper kernel]

runaway value I would think

[fierce tulip]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[paper kernel]

meanwhile I'm struggling with trace normals being biased towards trace start

[fierce tulip]

wtf
https://i.gyazo.com/ef4340f04b2a0028f2c068533330b4da.gif opaque
https://i.gyazo.com/c10041db7b83dd91a509992d2a505039.gif translucent
exact same material

hmm seems to work in 4.19

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[paper kernel]

nothing makes sense ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fierce tulip]

made my eye twitch

[wary wave]

@paper kernel - looks like vertex normal doesn't work for decals

[paper kernel]

hmm

[wary wave]

neither does pixel normal

pixel normal gives values, however that value is the same for the every pixel

[frank escarp]

@wary wave what about transparent decal and reading scene normals from gbuffeR?

[wary wave]

I have DBuffer Translucent Color, Normal, Roughness

hmm, a cursory google indicates I may be able to get pixel normals using scene texture

testing indicates otherwise -_-

[fierce tulip]

with a new UT comes a new small player big room map
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoUkwtodyBM

[paper kernel]

those were called rat maps in CS

iirc

[fierce tulip]

actually a good name for it

[paper kernel]

some of the electrical wiring was flagged as ladder, you could swim in the sink etc

[wary wave]

they're usually called rat maps, yeah

I never liked them

[fierce tulip]

same

always exited the server when it was one of those maps

besides a reskin of face, it was probably the biggest cliche

[wary wave]

moreover the layouts are usually rubbish

big empty floor spaces and wall-hugging blocks

[fierce tulip]

yea, trying to put gameplay in a regular room is..

[obsidian nimbus]

decals are a bit weird, might be more easy to just do it in the material

[wary wave]

that's the problem, I can't seem to do it in the material

can't access any kind of normals

[obsidian nimbus]

vertex paint?

[wary wave]

it's a decal

(it won't stop being a decal)

[grave nebula]

@wary wave You can't access any kind of normals in decal material. You can fade decal towards the edges by using distance between actor position and world position, or by measuring the distance along decal's projection vector. The second one tends to actually resolve most of the bleeding issues.

[wary wave]

as far as I can tell, I cannot access any normal information when using a deferred decal

PixelNormalWS and VertexNormalWS return duff values

SceneTexture(Normal) isn't accessible at all (will not compile)

so yeah, thanks for that info, it's a bit annoying since it's not bleeding issues I'm trying to solve

ah well

[obsidian nimbus]

its the weird lines u get when it goes around a corner?

[wary wave]

that would be one reason for doing so, yeah

[obsidian nimbus]

a gradient wouldnt really fix this on sharp corners either

[wary wave]

I don't think there's much I can do with it at all

I must say I'm really not a fan of decals in UE4

[obsidian nimbus]

same 😛

[grave nebula]

Fixing it involves having a normal pre-pass sadly

[wary wave]

they're cheap, but they have so many issues you have to try and work around that it's a colossal pain in the ass

I might go so far as to say they're simply not fit for purpose :/

[fierce tulip]

even we vfx artists hate decals :p

[obsidian nimbus]

its good for adding details to walls and stuff 😛

[wary wave]

it's not that good for adding details to stuff though

'cos it'll project on to anything that goes into the projection space so long as it can accept decals

[plush yew]

@wary wave if you make the axis coming off the wall to be like 1cm then you won’t have that problem

[wary wave]

sure you will

you'll have problems with things like dynamic decals

(and anything that passes within that 1cm gap)

[plush yew]

What’s the difference between wall detail decals and dynamic decals?

Anything passing within that 1cm gap will have a tiny bleed but it’s unnoticeable

[wary wave]

dynamic decals are created at run time, so you have limited control over them

[plush yew]

You could always do some tracing logic to find blocking objects etc

[obsidian nimbus]

to do something like that picture i can only suggest things that dont involve decals
😛

cuz way less work than messin with decals 😛

[wary wave]

I'm just sending it back with a 'can't fix' on it

[obsidian nimbus]

add the texture too the UV

wanted to try fix something like black swan, decals sux for that 😛

you might be able to fix it, but could make it a lot more expensive to use

or have to set parameters everytime u place one

[wary wave]

setting params isn't a big deal

#packaging

[eager robin]

yea, thanks

[vast pine]

Anyone ever get fatal errors from mouse button 4?

[grave nebula]

WorldNormal scene texture can be accessed by ordinary deferred decals. DBuffer decals would require normal pre-pass integration, which is almost never justified. But you still have LightVector material expression. Quite a few things a possible, like fading decal based on Z decal coordinate and using screen-space derivates to fade decals where surface has high gradient of LightVector.z @wary wave

[wary wave]

I considered fading based on a single axis coordinate but came to the conclusion the results wouldn't be good

I don't see how light vector is useful though

[grave nebula]

LightVector is decal's coordinates.

That, is coordinates of a pixel within the decal actor, with z component.

[frank escarp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/7ydnoh/udemy_and_some_of_their_professors_are_ripping/

Udemy caught literally stealing their tutorials from free channels

[cloud cobalt]

More like teachers ripping content

[plush yew]

friend challenged me to make a game in a week, going good, 2nd day, but i suck at art xd

[opal coral]

uhm! I get lower Mouse X and Mouse Y input values the smaller my camera's FOV is. any ideas why?

FOV 1: Slowly dragging mouse Y gives something like 0.003.
FOV 120: same action gives 3.0something

[grim ore]

@plush yew grab some art from opengameart or use some of the free stuff from the learn tab or Epic stuff from the marketplace 😃

[plush yew]

well im using an artstyle that theres nothing that i can use xd

[soft garden]

hi there! there is a channel for ps4 or xbox one developer?

[cloud cobalt]

No

You can't publicly discuss that stuff

[soft garden]

ok @cloud cobalt , thanks again!

[frank escarp]

@soft garden there are a couple devs that can hear you tho. Ask in the private ps4/xbox forum

[latent moth]

has anyone used can megascan in a FPS game?

[plush yew]

How does Unreal Tournament not have any AI behavior trees or anything of that nature, but still have great functioning AI? Did they decide to code it all without visual representation of state?

[frank escarp]

they did

UT bots are quite complicated

they are way beyond normal behavior tree stuff

if you want behavior tree, look at Robo Recall

all the bots there are BT

[plush yew]

Thank you I will check them out!

What makes the UT bots beyond normal BT?

[cedar snow]

when creating a spawn point for bullets in unity3d (e.g. on a weapon prefab), i'd just create an unnamed GameObject, position it in front of the muzzle and assign it e.g. to a variable in the weapons component of the gun
what's the ue4 equivalent of this? do i have to create an actor component for this?

[plush yew]

You can use sockets for this @cedar snow

[frank escarp]

@plush yew they created the bots slightly based on what the UT 3 bots did

[plush yew]

when i didnt know about sockets i used a sphere collision thing or an arrow to makt that xd

[frank escarp]

the thing is that the bots are much fuzzier

its not just direct states

UT bots are quite random, and jump around, do dodges randomly, and will try to flee when low hp, but its not a direct cutoff

essentially, they are beyond a "simple" state machine

wich is what behavior tree ends up being

BT is great for things like do this then this then this, or choose beetween 3 actions

[plush yew]

Got it! Thanks for explaining

Definitely seems like they do a lot more

[cedar snow]

@plush yew @frank escarp thanks, that helped me find the documentation at https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Content/Types/StaticMeshes/HowTo/Sockets/ 😃

[frank escarp]

i did 4 different AIs when working for Heavy Gear Assault

for high end multiplayer bots

the first of them was behavior tree

this one did combat well

but it was a bit too rigid

so i created a "dual state machine" C++ bot

the states did more complex stuff, and there was a "legs" machine, and a "weapons" machine

weapons part selected targets, aimed, rotated, etc. Legs ran around and did dodges

this wasnt enough, becouse then they told me to make them work on teams, for complicated gamemodes like capture the flag

so i created a behavior tree-ish thing in C++. Much more complicated and dynamic than normal blueprint behavior trees

but then they told me to make the bots respond to your orders

so i scrapped it completely, and created a fully dinamic self-assembling task tree

think about it as a self-assembling behavior tree

that adds/removes full branches, or reorders based on priority

[plush yew]

Nice! I find doing simple randomised branches can help in tasks too, like theres a 25 % chance the bot will go from a defensive playstyle to an aggressive one, while also having chances to use abilities etc, while always having a gamemode objective task being worked towards, so they would only break out of that if in direct combat or need to heal.

Your solution definitley seems more complex though

[frank escarp]

yup, i love randomness in the AIs

im now testing behavior trees, but with more high level tasks

for example i literallly have a "melee combat" task

that in itself, moves randomly, choses when to attack, tries to block, etc

current skeleton king boss behavior tree

https://gfycat.com/InbornFaintAtlanticspadefish

looks like this

eventually im going to write a "selector", but rng

just selects a random branch to run

[plush yew]

nice that looks really great!

[frank escarp]

do not falll into the trap of overengineering an AI to the extreme

unless its a supremely complicated AI

just do the absolute simplest that works

[plush yew]

once i made a very intellectual bot (that takes cover, doesnt go too close, remembers last position of player, has ammo and reloads only at cover, takes pistol if no cover and no ammo, runs in circle left to right (stutter stepping) and shooting at player) with only BP without any trees, i couldnt beat 5 of them at once 😦 they are too good

[frank escarp]

im doing a squad system now

there is a invisible bot that will be the commander, and he roams the map

until he gets close to you, and then he spawns the actual npcs, and then tells them to attack you

[plush yew]

how i imagine squad : 1 leader, others attach to him and follow in a formation (just randomly moving around in radius xd)

[frank escarp]

i want it to be more hivemind-y

[plush yew]

then you can make an actor that is a target where they all go

instead of invis npc

[frank escarp]

yes, but i dont want a leader npc for now

also, simplest implementation

i just have a invisible npc and the actual combat npcs follow it

through the map

[plush yew]

and adding points of interest where they will go

like they would not want to go around 1 field

but it would be fun to watch

ok gonna play sum fortnite cuz y not ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frank escarp]

the invisible npc commander idea is working flawless

[plush yew]

ok nice

[tall rain]

Hello ! I have good knowledge in C++ and now I decide to learn Game Development with UE4. Can you give some tutorial where I can learn? Thanks.

[faint cedar]

So

I just run into a bug that could never have worked in the first place

it should've been broken from day 1

I got this piece of graph:

Which is all fine and dandy, except that the ResourceBar had a brush binding on it the whole time which was this:

Which means that Dynamic Material Instance I create would've been replaced that same frame.

[vagrant thistle]

UE forum is offline?

[faint cedar]

Not for me

[digital anchor]

when creating collision for enemies, but no collision for allies, should i create multiple collision channels like Team1, Team2, Team3.. and so on?

[plush yew]

moo?

[teal tulip]

beee

The launcher before had an update and done rare things

[wary stream]

Does anyone happen to know why neither the unreal engine nor unreal tournament want to actually open ? the processes get launched but they just hang in the background https://i.imgur.com/bv5IKRF.png

i clean installed the launcher, the engine, ut and verified both countless times

also updated my drivers and whatnot

[elfin jacinth]

Mine takes a few minutes to start - are you letting it be for a bit?

[timber slate]

Hey how do I use height map generated by substance on ue4 without tesselating the object?

[cloud cobalt]

Can't, really

[timber slate]

if i tesselate the object for vr is too expensive?

[cloud cobalt]

Height maps aren't practical to use

Normal mappings are much more usual

You can use tesselation + height mapping for some specific objects like terrain, where it's not possible to design a detailed low poly

Dunno if Substance can generate geometry

[timber slate]

Ok, thanks !

another unrelated question. lightmass portals has a side which it should be pointing to? Im using for a window but after using it the whole place got dark

And if you may, is there a way to make the reflection capture sphere/box to affect only meshes that I want? I'm building an apartment, and using a box reflection for the bathroom (which has a mirror) and the other reflections to affect the rest. If I use a bunch of box capture to affect only where I want I can see seams where the boundaries are.

[grim sinew]

I think the icon for lightmass portals are directional, not sure if it has any impact on how it works though. You can try just turning it around and finding out. Also no, there is no way to use reflection captures for specific objects. You would need to do a manual cubemap in the material instead.

[fierce tulip]

https://i.gyazo.com/8af27cfc8b89e7a4f54e04c9865aef1a.png

"only"

[plush yew]

anyone have EXP shipping mobile games

[celest creek]

@fierce tulip lol. No biggie. Although - it might be 100 instances of the same effect, hard to tell. Or maybe 100 pieces refers to 100 particles?

[grave nebula]

It is quite cozy to measure all work in pieces

[celest creek]

Having a brain fart here - what option in Maya's fbx exporter is that allows materials to get saved out with it?

Maya 2018's Game exporter works with materials for some reason, I'm struggling with its fbx exporter and need to figure that out for older Maya versions...

[spare steeple]

is there a way to make Input Key Selectors detect the mouse wheel as input?

i set them up to display the default mappings in project settings and itll read mouse wheel that way but i cant manually set it

[simple pebble]

anyone know why theres a really odd light bug on my level?

[plush yew]

hey guys

what the freak is this

[ocean ridge]

[frosty bloom]

@plush yew how is that UE4 related?

[elfin jacinth]

@wary stream Did you get your problem solved?

[hushed ivy]

Is there a cloud provider that doesnt take ur money and then make u wait for ur account to be reviewed before u can use it? Linode is ridiculous....

[simple pebble]

nope

[hushed ivy]

liiiiessss, GCG didnt require any account review, i have a VM now 😛

ocean did require a review too tho

[plush yew]

sorry roan chat @frosty bloom

[simple pebble]

please help me with a lighting issue? i am reasonabley new to unreal but i have removed all light sources, re-enabled them. im just not sure why its heppening

[hushed ivy]

have you built the lighting?

[simple pebble]

i have rebuild the lighting but if i have no light its lighten up if i add light it makes no difference

[hushed ivy]

ah, just asking because your picture shows its stale and needs rebuilding

the red text

[simple pebble]

yeah im not sure what i means by that, i removed all light sources and it didnt fix the giant light square, then i added a light source and it said i needed to rebuild it again

[hushed ivy]

did you click the build button

[simple pebble]

theres a build button

[hushed ivy]

yes, it will rebuild several things including lighting

its to the left of the Play button

[simple pebble]

thank you sorry about that im new to the mechanics

[hushed ivy]

no worries, there is a shit ton of stuff to learn in the editor

it can be daunting

[simple pebble]

iv noticed, i know the basics, making paint textures, animations, landscapes, but this light thing i couldnt figure out

[hushed ivy]

good luck 😃

[simple pebble]

thanks, i started yesturday

[hushed ivy]

nice

[proven aurora]

Any idea why, when I transfer one large folder into another, the folder stays behind in its old location but its contents still get moved? Tried fixing up redirectors, restarting UE4, deleting the old folders.. it won't go away.

Haven't tried deleting them externally yet but I tried that in a previous project and broke everything 🤔

[upper flame]

does anyone know how I can run an event on server AND client? I have a function in my client that does a cool material effect, but it is only seen on either the client or everyone else, but I want everyone to see it

[hushed ivy]

for changing material i had to use multicast

[upper flame]

but that can only be called from the server right?

[hushed ivy]

yes, server calls it

[coral sphinx]

Hey guys, anyone here had a problem with demorec on 4.18? 🤔

[languid shard]

Hey boys and girls, I have a weird behaviour in UE4 since I imported my world aligned master material

I keep getting a warning saying "Adjacency information not built for static mesh with a material that requires it. Using default material instead."

When trying to override the default material of a mesh with an instance of my master material

now apparently you have to check something while importing your model in the FBX settings

but I'm using a custom importer that doesn't allow it 😐

hmm interesting, this is actually a requirement for materials using Tesselation

guess I'll just make a variant master without it and call it a day then

[cursive dirge]

oh

new GameWorks branch from nvidia

https://github.com/NvPhysX/UnrealEngine/tree/ShadowplayHighlights_4.18

[tall pendant]

hmm shadowplay highlights ...

they stream highlight moments from user shadowplay users now?

[floral heart]

https://developer.nvidia.com/shadowplay-highlights

"ShadowPlay Highlights in Lawbreakers" Ha

[tall pendant]

Ahhh aye.

[cursive dirge]

yeah, it's basically allowing devs to make sure right moments were captured during the game and then you can save hightlights reel automatically

[floral heart]

There's something mercenary about having a game that tells your computer when to take screenshots for your social media feed. Edit: Wording these words.

[vale osprey]

It’s weird indeed

[paper kernel]

I could see that being abused

welp, as long as there's the game Logo on the highlight reel it's all free marketing

[floral heart]

brb making a hudwidget that flashes "BROUGHT TO YOU BY soft_drink_name" whenever it takes a shadowplay screenshot

[paper kernel]

^

[vale osprey]

Can you add your own watermarks into shadow play? Would be hilarious for trolling

[floral heart]

It's the usual shadowplay, so it likely records what the player sees (or whatever gets as far as the final framebuffer). The GDC presentation doesn't suggest anything more fancy than a 'save highlight' API call.

[frank escarp]

thats its the whole idea

easy way to record gifs and share is literally free marketing

[weary void]

Hey everyone,
I'm having a weird bug which is making me crazy

I hate 2 skeletal meshes and 1 skeleton, both skeletals are linked to the skeleton

I want to attach an item to a socket, but depending on which skeletal my mesh is, the item doesn't go to the right place

This is the wrong one

This is the correct one

Any idea why this happens ?

Same skeleton, 2 skeletals (the only difference between them are the boots)

[crisp fable]

man, i really want to use voxel farm but it really is just too buggy

very leaky, random crashes... 😦

[frank escarp]

@crisp fable have you seen @silver crown voxel thing plugin?

[crisp fable]

yeah its too course for my purposes

i should investigate it further, but i need like 15cm spacing

[rustic sandal]

Hey everybody!
Not sure where I could ask this question.
How can I grab an object in world outliner to drag it along surface?
Like... I can do this when grabbing actor from content browser

But I can't grab it back once it's placed

[fierce tulip]

https://i.gyazo.com/9f855cbf184789ef10118663a0ece93c.gif

not perfect but afaik only thing that does

[rustic sandal]

Thanks, buddy!

disabling "rotate to surface normal" along with surface snapping does exactly what I needed.

[latent moth]

good morning everyone, I hope I can get some kind sould to help me out with this, as I googled and spent some time with this but can't get an answer.

I'm simply trying to reduce the capsule component half size to a custom size (not using crouch), however the character goes under the ground when I do so. I am trying then to move the mesh in relation to the capsule but I am unsure how to do that and even if that's the proper way to go...

[latent moth]

There's no "Set Crouch Half Size" function unfortunately, otherwise it would have been perfect

[fierce tulip]

https://80.lv/articles/unknit-devs-show-automatic-unwrapping/

those uv's though

[honest vale]

dat magic

headus UV layout tool was great too

[cursive dirge]

https://youtu.be/ISMYUq4jWtQ

[honest vale]

hmm though it seems that the islands have quite a bit of stretching

[cursive dirge]

in that video, they have 3 options for stretching

wonder what kind of price point they are aiming at

[latent moth]

ok thanks anyway. will post if i find a solution (eventually, hopefully) 😃

[cursive dirge]

I don't really have issues with manual unwrapping but would be nice to automate every step

[fierce tulip]

yea, the stretching and weird uv-distortion is highly unwanted, but I'd guess they are currently focussing on the packing first?

[zinc nymph]

can you guys look in animation chat at my issue and maybe tell me if you know a fix

[frank escarp]

@fierce tulip Houdini has some automatic UV tools

they have a few presets with different configurations allowed

the downside is that it can actually fail and cause overlapped uvs some times

the packer works great tho

i used that on a testing i did of just importing a bunch of .obj high res stone sculpts, and automatically uv them all into a single sheet (around 8 rocks) and then bake them

went perfect, now i have a mass autobaker tool

[upbeat dune]

Hello all, i'm having some trouble with backface culling, i know it can be useful, but at this present moment in time it's quite annoying, does anyone know how to turn it off?

[honest vale]

in the material check "double sided"

iirc

[fierce tulip]

or add actual polygons to that side.

helps much better with baking lighting

though looking at the images it looks like they have planes, just flipped normals on those sides

[latent moth]

i am unable to solve the prone position capsule issue that I read everywhere about. Can really no-one give me a pointer on this...? Seems such a common issue

[tall pendant]

afaik you should always use geometry with thickness for light baking purposes etc

[upper heart]

https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/announcements-and-releases/1413780-unreal-engine-4-19-preview?p=1431645#post1431645

Looks like we still have a bit of waiting for 4.19

[tall pendant]

which isn't a bad thing imho. Gives them some extra time for polish (i hope)

[devout gulch]

polish is overstated word in case of engine development

it is just service

[paper kernel]

inb4 4.20 jokes

[devout gulch]

it is eternally in development

verision number is just for features and compatibility

anyway

[tall pendant]

with polish i obv mean to get the basics right 😛

[devout gulch]

SpeedTree supposed to be released this week

I assumed it's because also 4.19 would be this week

[obsidian nimbus]

@upbeat dune turn on backface culling in ur model program, so u can see when normals are flipped

[silver crown]

@crisp fable 15cm is totally achievable

At least CPU wise

And if needed I could add a mesh simplification

[cloud cobalt]

Well, fuck, I planned on updating to 4.19

[devout gulch]

I just use master branch

it's rarely broken beyond unsuable, since they started not merging every commit

[latent moth]

is there a way to set the crouched half heigh of the CharacterMovement component? I can only see a way to retrieve it, not to set it dynamically

https://answers.unrealengine.com/storage/attachments/226960-half.png

[kindred viper]

I think its worked out automatically

[obsidian nimbus]

@silver crown where is this voxel thing, might take a look at it later

[unique ocean]

Does anyone know how to make it so characters can be jumped on like platforms?

I have a block all surface and it just makes the character bounce off

[bitter meadow]

Hey guys, i am trying to make a cave with the visibility landscape tool but when i create a hole, the player gets stuck in the exact entrance of it and cant move anymore. Any ideas why ?

[silver crown]

@obsidian nimbus https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?151940-Voxel-plugin-for-UE4

Invite: https://discord.gg/58ZqEbg

[obsidian nimbus]

cool tnx 😃

[normal whale]

hello can some one help me?

[sinful mesa]

is it only me, or its general PAIN IN THE ASS to import heightmap of rthe terrain into UE4 ?

Z scale is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off

the general scale of the terrain is fucked.

Also the math max elevation / 512 * 100 doesnt work

and when u scale the terrain the precision is lost.

[vale osprey]

Where are you importing it from?

[sinful mesa]

World Creator

its also WM too

checked the forums

😉

I imported the same terrain to Unity, Cryengine and Lumberyard

everything off the box works

with proper scale.

[vale osprey]

For WM you need to place a limit in WM itself

Well, the Epic’s pipeline that was explained in old stream about kite demo is to make a mock-up of terrain in UE4 first and then export it for adding details in WM

[sinful mesa]

well

lets say i want to make 2km high mountains

but i cant

😉

because all is off the scale and lower by like 70% than in the origin program

[vale osprey]

There should be enough precision for 2km high mountains, are you using 16bit heightmaps?

[sinful mesa]

ofc

but i read that the UE4 is limited -512;512 m

on scale or sht

sth

I am trying to figure out now the formula to how the hell should i set the heightmap to reassemble the stuff in WC2

its boggling me, because the same terrain looks proper in Unity, Cry and Lumber after i import the terrain (well with setting max height in Lumber or Cry :D)

[tawdry narwhal]

did you read this? https://wiki.unrealengine.com/World_Machine_to_Unreal_Engine_4_-_In_Depth_Guide

@sinful mesa

[sinful mesa]

i did

but i do not use WM , but WC 😄

well

will try to maybe somehow apply the WM concept

[tawdry narwhal]

derp... sorry about that

world machine has an automatic tile generation feature (pro version only I believe)

works really well w/ UE4

[obsidian nimbus]

we should have something that completes those few letter shorts when u hoover over em

[tawdry narwhal]

true dat

[timid shoal]

Hello iam messing with bluetooth controler for my VR mobile game and cant find apropriet buttons in Unreal can anyone point me some direction ? 😃

[frank escarp]

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/2/20/17031256/worlds-largest-ssd-drive-samsung-30-terabyte-pm1643

just enough space for a few ue4 versions

[kindred viper]

hah so true

[normal whale]

hey i want to make a forest game with animals and i don't know how to make animals run away from sound and if u come closer, can someone help me

[silver crown]

https://youtu.be/ogHqEEddB-4

Each of the white holes is a mesh component

Any idea of why it does that?

[frank escarp]

HBZ

its just how it works

if you disable culling its gone

but you probably dont want to do that

[silver crown]

🤔

It's not done at every frame?

[frank escarp]

it is

but it has a few frames of lag

HBZ works by trying to render a depth only bounding box

if the box actually renders, then the object is visible

if no pixel gets rendered due to depth testing, then the object is not visible

the issue

is that you cant take the result the same frame

due to pipeline

when you are calculating the frame 2, the gpu is still busy rendering frame 1

so you need to "read" the values later, like at frame 3 or most commonly, 4-5

thats why it is a hole for a couple frames

[silver crown]

I see

[teal tulip]

@silver crown Did you checked the visiable area of each components ?

well what him said I think+

[silver crown]

I guess it's given by GetViewRelevance?

I'll make the mesh bigger with more sections, thanks @frank escarp

Actually doesn't solve it, as the bounds are per section

I guess I'll increase those bounds

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[opal ocean]

is there a reliable method for getting blender models/animations imported into UE4 on the ue4 skeleton yet?

before I spend a bunch of time googling, looking into starting character design...

[granite vortex]

Total beginner here: I have an unpacked project of an existing game from steam, is it possible to somehow load the whole map?

[restive eagle]

how did you get that project? 🤔

[cloud cobalt]

Just open the level ?

[granite vortex]

I bought the game and just extracted the .pak file, i just want to look at the map and fly around, nothing more

cant seem to just open the level, something something assets could not be loaded

[cloud cobalt]

Yeah, packed assets are not editable

[latent moth]

how can you animate a gun magazine during reload? i have a reload animation but to have the magazine actually in the hands of the player do i need to have a separate BP for the mag and attach it to the hand socket?

[cinder iron]

no

you would need to have your weapon as a skeletal mesh

and play an animation on the weapon at the same time you play it on the character

[winter birch]

hi, are combat systems with decapitations on last blows hard to implement?

head, both arms, both legs and half in the body center - so 6 points to decapitate, depending on where the blade is closest on the last blow

[cinder iron]

checkout roborecall @winter birch

[winter birch]

ok, how is it relevant?

there are decapitations in there?

I can see its a shooter though, and its a game. I dont think that will explain how difficult it would be to implement such a system for a beginner :D

[cinder iron]

yes they have a decapitation system based on component limb

well it's not something very easy to begin with hehe

[latent moth]

@cinder iron and how can the two “match”?

[cinder iron]

they will match if you play the animations at the same time

and they are preapred to match

usually you would use anim montages for these things

[latent moth]

i don’t get it though

[cinder iron]

how not hehe

[latent moth]

so the mag is part of the gun animation?

[cinder iron]

yeah

[latent moth]

ah

[cinder iron]

the mag and all the movable parts of the gun

so if you want to move another part of the gun in your reload, to fill the chamber for example

you can do

you just have to animate it

[latent moth]

and how do you align the character animation with the other

i mean

[cinder iron]

pretty much in maya

or blender

[latent moth]

if the main animation does for instance first fit the mag then double tap it

[cinder iron]

just be sure that the root is where it's meant to be

[latent moth]

the root of...?

[cinder iron]

both the weapon and the first person arms

[latent moth]

are there any tutorials anywere on this

i have been on it for 3 days and i’m still at square 0

[cinder iron]

mh... I don't know if there is one, but generic shooter has this system

[latent moth]

ok

[cinder iron]

so you can look around if there is any documentation

or example video

[latent moth]

i have a non animated gun which makes it even worse

[cinder iron]

you need to make a skeleton for it then

and make the mag moveable

[latent moth]

yeah the model has all separated parts

[cinder iron]

then a little bit of maya/blender work

and you'll get it done

[latent moth]

maybe in a couple of years

[cinder iron]

hahaha

hey! don't be that pesimistic we all went through this!

[latent moth]

still though

the mag is not going to be in the char hands

isn’t that weird?

[cinder iron]

yes it will if both animations play at the same time

[latent moth]

hu?

by what kind of magic

how do you link the mag to the hand

[cinder iron]

AM_PawnReloadRifle - AM_RifleReload

you don't link anything

the animation... just plays

hehe

[latent moth]

but...

no i don’t get it

[cinder iron]

just think that you have two animations

[honest rune]

Any of you guys have experience using Fuse CC/Mixamo for character models and animations?

[cinder iron]

one for the rifle

and another one for the character

[latent moth]

yes and the mag is in the rifle one

[cinder iron]

exactly

when you reload

[latent moth]

ok

[cinder iron]

the rifle animation will play

and that will move the mag position

so in the maya blender animation

[latent moth]

yes but the mag will fly in the air

[cinder iron]

yes, in that animation yes!

it will

but if you play the character animation

at the same time

the character will reload the mag

and the mag will be in the dcharacter's hand

hold on let me show you some gifs hehe

[latent moth]

and how... that’s what i don’t get

thanks

[cinder iron]

no problem :) I like your interest

[obsidian nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WasgRxx6r4

[latent moth]

ok that’s awesome, but not really helpful 😃

[honest rune]

Having a weird issue with Characters created in Fuse CC and animated in Mixamo:
https://imgur.com/a/4c72q
No problems at all importing everything and setting it up in UE4 but the deforms at certain joints are really screwed up. Is it always this way from Fuse/Mixamo? Do I need to adjust the vertex groups or weightings?

[cinder iron]

that was owninator, not me xD

im on my way

pretty finny anyways though

haha

[obsidian nimbus]

im known for my awwsome, not for my helpfull 😛

[cinder iron]

agreed

hahahha

[obsidian nimbus]

he does have some blender reload tutorial i think

[latent moth]

i’m trying to find it

[cinder iron]

okay I'm here @latent moth

sooooo

as I said, two animations

https://gyazo.com/cfc62b62c9a06966bc0af1cb5e3339e0

this is the rifle animation

https://gyazo.com/dfc365b90beecdc49c0210e074e93bb6

and this is the first person arms animation

if you play them together, this happens

https://gyazo.com/f32f937185e409935eeb88bf722277cf

[latent moth]

wtf

[cinder iron]

yeah the weapon is animated as the pawn reload animation

so when you play both together one follows the trajectory of the other

so nothing flies even though you can see the mag flying on the first animation

you have to tweak the animations manually for them to fit perfectly when played together

[latent moth]

i have no clue on how to do that

i mean

i am buying courses

paying considerable money

i just don’t know where to find all that.

it’s not in any course i have.

[cinder iron]

this is not something super hard, it is just playing 2 animations at the same time. That's all

[latent moth]

got that

[cinder iron]

so its more about

animators work

rather than programmer work

[latent moth]

i have bought animations for my character

from kubold

[cinder iron]

but they are not giving you weapon animations

[latent moth]

indeed

oh well

[cinder iron]

you should be the one creating those (or pay an animator for him to tweak em for you)

so yeah, it's not something you should worry to much, but, do you understand how it works at least?

[latent moth]

i wish i could copy a rig and animation from one uasset to a static mesh

kinda

i still don’t get how the mag ends up attached to the hand socket

[cinder iron]

nothing gets attached

the animation makes the trick

it seems like the character has something in his hand

but it is "casuality"

well... forced casuality

because the animator worked hard for that to happen

haha

[latent moth]

k

well i give up for now

i’ve been fulltime on this for 3 weeks and my head is exploding.

stupid things such as proper prone collision are science

[cinder iron]

if you want to see this system implemented just consider on purchasing the generic shooter

[latent moth]

ok i will

[cinder iron]

and one more thing

about prone now that you said it

it's all about knowing if the player can move or not to not allow weird prone positions

so some traces or sphere trace would help

just dont make the character use physics

[latent moth]

that’s ok i will try later on to have sone body ik of some sort

but the collision capsule

there’s no damn way to have it proper

[cinder iron]

the collision capsule heigh size would need to be reduced consideribly

thats all

don't relly on that to check collisions for prone

[latent moth]

if you reduce it then the character goes underground

set half size on crouch is NOT accessible dinamically

[cinder iron]

you can change that variable on the cmc

[latent moth]

?

cmc code?

[cinder iron]

character movement component

sorry

[latent moth]

nah

[cinder iron]

I'm pretty sure you can

100% sure actually

as I'm doing it

var is named CrouchedHalfHeight

anyways gotta go o/

[latent moth]

https://answers.unrealengine.com/storage/attachments/226960-half.png

[cinder iron]

you can set it

[latent moth]

not there...

[cinder iron]

on the character movement component in your character

not there obv

since its a read only in runtime

[latent moth]

of course

[cinder iron]

for bp's

[latent moth]

but i also do have a crouch...

so i have to choose: crouch or prone

anyways...

[cinder iron]

ayee

[latent moth]

thanks

[cinder iron]

np! :)

[proven aurora]

So I closed UE4, opened up my project this morning, and now it crashes immediately. Here's the crash report: https://pastebin.com/BdUWEVU9 Any idea what's wrong? I made a more detailed post on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/unrealengine/comments/7yzncx/closed_ue4_last_night_opened_up_my_project_again/

[cloud cobalt]

There isn't a crash in there

You might want to paste the output from the crash reporter

[spare steeple]

is there a way to select an editable UMG text box through blueprints?

instead of clicking on it

[tepid widget]

Hello.

I have a question about landscape painting.

After reading documentation I gathered the following:
Landscapes are painted by one main material which can have several submaterials that can be switched (painted). Is that correct? And if so, how many materials can a man material hold?

[paper rampart]

can anyone send me the invite link?

to this.

i need it haha.

nvm i was dumb.

[maiden swift]

@paper rampart You can also find a direct invite in the #more-resources. 🙂

Towards the top.

[paper rampart]

yeah i figurd that out

i was just dumb

haha.

thanks anyways!

[proven aurora]

My bad @cloud cobalt didn't realize

Updating the link in a second

Updated it

[somber siren]

hey guys how do i use unreal bott?

to post a looking for talent?

[glossy flame]

The instructions are pinned in the channel 😃

[spare blade]

What would be a good poly count for my characters. Imagine a haunted house environment with characters placed in different areas. Can anyone advise what would be a good poly count range for these kind of characters . Also I would imagine the lower the better and then use a normal map to build in definition ?

[obsidian nimbus]

depends on how many you want on screen at the same time

is it VR, mobile stuff like that

from a few k for low poly too 60k, can do 300k for rendered animations

or more

[spare blade]

@obsidian nimbus its a VR experience. The characters as concept art have a lot of detail.

[obsidian nimbus]

the big robots in roborecall are about 40k

[spare blade]

Ok thanks

[obsidian nimbus]

with LOD offc

[ancient dragon]

So small question figured general chat was a good place- ant suggestions for managing derivedcachedata? It grows to like 30gbs in a day. Or is that just how it is and I just had e to be mindful when to reset it

[fierce tulip]

delete it whenever

its where shaders are cached after they finish calculating/instructing

does mean you'll need to recalculate all shaders in your project

[ancient dragon]

That's what I figured. Just wasn't sure if there were any tweaks to minimize it a bit. All good, thanks!

[lunar scaffold]

Hey Anyone know how to make a HighScore System?

[livid haven]

@lunar scaffold Kind of a vague question.

What have you tried? What problems are you facing in trying to design a high score system?

[lunar scaffold]

i am trying to make a Endless Runner Game i am trying to add the score in Game Over Menu and add it as a high score

[livid haven]

Okay, but what are you having trouble with?

You know what a high score system is, so... break it down and start writing the parts of it that you need.

[obsidian nimbus]

EPICLEADERBOARD PLUGIN

oops caps

for online scores

thats prolly most easy way

[hushed ivy]

Do you guys favor faster cores or more cores for your UE4 dev PCs?

I got a Xeon 2600v4 proc and 64GB RAM from a friend, wondering if im going to regret building around it rather than getting something with faster cores that is consumer grade.

[grim ore]

Both work on different parts. Light mass and shader compiler can use multi cores. Th main editor and most importing is single.

[hushed ivy]

Yeah that's what i read, why im curious what people are favoring

if you built a new PC today, would you go for more slower cores or fewer fast cores

actually VS compiling is whats taking a lot of my time lately, should probably look that up too

[cursive dirge]

UE4 favors in general more hw threads

this is why i7's dominate same speed i5's

[hushed ivy]

hw thread meaning physical cores? ive found some server applications work faster if u disable hyperthreading, is UE4 the same?

well, i guess i should just test that

[cursive dirge]

I mean hyperthreading by that

[hushed ivy]

oooh ok

thanks 😃

[cursive dirge]

if you want faster build times, you may want to look into octobuild

[honest rune]

what mobo you running?

[hushed ivy]

oh neat! you use octobuild?

i havent picked a mobo yet, my memory is ECC so probably supermicro board

[cursive dirge]

I tried it, it was tad faster on my use

[honest rune]

if you run something that can handle intel optane, a 16gb or 32gb optane on your m.2 and a decent size hdd can outperform a decent ssd for a fraction of the price

as far as your disk io goes anyway

[hushed ivy]

i have intel P3600

😃

[honest rune]

what kind of a dent did that put in your pocket?

[hushed ivy]

I got the proc the RAM and the p3600 for 300 bucks from a sysadmin friend

[honest rune]

wow nice

[hushed ivy]

mobo went bad, they upgrading to Purley system so parted this one out

[honest rune]

just the ram right now would be twice that almost lol

[hushed ivy]

indeed, RAM is pricey these days

trying to convince myself I'll be satisfied with the compile times and everything before buying the mobo and gpu

[honest rune]

oh yeah for sure, thats enterprise datacenter level stuff lol would make a hell of a build server

mobo I've got for the build I'm slowly piecing together is Maximum IX Hero. Got it for about $300 at the time, now the price shot up like crazy since the X version for 8th gen intel came out lol

prefer this one I think though. I was looking at the apex or code mobo but that armor shit (as cool as it looks) would just get in the way

[hushed ivy]

Nice, do you have a proc for it yet?

[honest rune]

been waiting to catch a good deal on i7 7700k. Should have grabbed it boxing day

[hushed ivy]

nice, you no proc, me no mobo 😁

cant wait to finish it, feels good man

[plush yew]

any news on 4.19?

[floral heart]

canceled

[pure jolt]

talent

[wary stream]

@elfin jacinth nope

[plush yew]

anyone know mobile reflections well?

[plush yew]

https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/761028/mobile-reflections-1.html

[crisp fable]

uh

guys

UnrealEngine/Engine/Plugins/Compositing/LensDistortion/CameraCalibrationOpenCV.tps

is that a tps report?

[livid haven]

Third Party (Something, I forget)

Open it as if it's a text doc, betcha it's licensing stuff

Yep, XML.

[floral heart]

I was trying to figure out why I couldn't get InterpTo movement working. It was a staticmeshactor.

[crisp fable]

wow, im looking at shader stuff in UE4

it might be less flexible but far out is unity easier 😐

i just wanted to create a little compute shader to do some sorting and the scaffolding code needed is nuts

[cloud cobalt]

Yeah, custom shaders in UE4 is pretty much hell from what I've heard

Part of the cost of not having to write custom shaders for 95% of projects since the material editor is so good

But still

[devout gulch]

you can now have shaders in plugins so that's easy now

but

[crisp fable]

look at this hot garbage

[devout gulch]

you can't use them to extend renderer to add new material type or something

[crisp fable]

i have a simple compute shader with 2 buffers

https://pastebin.com/BhS340Cu

i need ALL THAT

i think i do anyway

like at this point i need a nap

[whole wasp]

haha im with you on that i also need a nap

[granite vortex]

Hi guys, i just bought a game based on the UE4. I would like to somehow view the whole map in an areal view/noclip around it. (Not interested in hacks or so, its a singleplayer game so no use for it). I managed to unpack the .pak file and am left with a cooked project.

Is there any possibility to do this?

some kind of model viewer etc? cant seem to figure it out...

[pastel perch]

anybody know why this happens ? :

[cloud cobalt]

Cooked projects aren't meant to be read

[pastel perch]

on the forum

is this a me thing, or everybody thing? 😃

this happend the last time I tried to go into the forums as well

[granite vortex]

@cloud cobalt i am aware of that. nevertheless, is there any possibility of accessing ghost/noclip without console (cant seem to bind the console to a key ingame)

[cloud cobalt]

Console isn't available in shipping builds, so no

Not to mention there isn't a noclip command in the first place, that I know of

[sudden agate]

A dream of mine shattered, when I realized UE-44904 is a "Non-Issue" 😦

https://issues.unrealengine.com/issue/UE-44904

[latent moth]

good morning, i have used a preview to set up a weapon in a socket of the sketeton. I spawn it in game with spawn actor from class and attach it to the socket. Why is my gun larger than the preview?

[sudden agate]

Make sure the Socket has an absolute (World) Scale and not a relative

[latent moth]

in the blueprint or in the socket properties?

(i mean, in the attachTo or somewhere else?)

[sudden agate]

in the Socket Properties

[latent moth]

ok thank uou raildex! will try that

[hard ice]

Hey guys, does the forum search work for anyone?

I get a Couldn't find controller file for Epicforum_Controller_Search

[wary wave]

currently broken

[latent moth]

Hi, I'm trying to understand how to properly set up a weapon in a socket. The instance I have is that the weapon needs to lay on the shoulder, but the hands are too far off (in the animation) hence I'd have to scale the weapon up (which doesn't make any sense).

What is the proper way to move the hands and keep the animations so that they fit the weapon?

[wary wave]

you don't

you have animations for hands that fit the weapon

you could try to adjust using IK, but mileage may vary and you might get funky results

[latent moth]

ouch

So, I have the Kubold ones, rifle-animset-pro.

How can I know if a weapon fits? Otherwise indeed I'm going to try IK

[wary wave]

I don't think you can know without actually testing it

[latent moth]

double-ouch, so I have to buy all of these assets 😦

[wary wave]

Kubold's anims would have been created with a particular mesh in mind

best bet though is to export and reimport with the necessary changes

[latent moth]

thank you ambershee, i'm sorry but as you probably have figured out i'm a noob (working hard though to get up to speed!). Export/ import what?

[wary wave]

the animations

though without experience editing animations, you're probably stuck at this point

[grim juniper]

There really needs to be a "run construction script" node for blutilities. Or something like that.

[wary wave]

I just put a custom event in the event graph

blutilities and construction script can just call that event 😉

[latent moth]

thank you 😃

[grim juniper]

Oh, wow. That actually works. Calling an event like that.

For some reason I didn't think anything in the event graph would run the construction script.

[polar token]

What's the adapted channel for asking more or less general questions? If I have a graphic related one for example, should I ask it in the "graphics" channel, or is there a questions channel that I missed?

[grim juniper]

I think you'd ask it in the #graphics channel.

[polar token]

I see. If it's a question directly related to something I'm working on (with screenshots), "work in progress" might be more adapted also?

[leaden wave]

Why do my builds in Visual Studio takes AGES even when I'm only editing a couple of lines

[cloud cobalt]

Depends on hardware, include practices

[opal coral]

can someone explain the SaveGame object to me? the docs say to make a new instance of it, write to it and call SaveGameToSlot - however, since it's a new instance, it doesn't contain any variables previously saved, right? isn't it more correct to always get the SaveGame object by calling LoadGameFromSlot? otherwise it will override any variables we don't set, with blank ones from a new instance?

[wary wave]

it won't contain anything previously saved, and this is the intention

you should override it with all the information you need each time

[opal coral]

but all the 'other' information must come from a LoadGameFromSlot then? isn't that just another SaveGame instance I could modify and save again?

[wary wave]

That other information presumably still exists somewhere, so why load it again? Otherwise, you would need to load it

and you could keep the original savegame instance around, nobody is stopping you doing that

[opal coral]

I suppose I could store a savegame instance in my class. I just have some unexpected results, and wondering if I've got something wrong. and I noticed the docs make a new instance every time, which doesn't make sense to me if you want to keep the variables you don't write to.
https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Gameplay/SaveGame/Code/index.html

[frosty copper]

o: UE4 supporting glTF. does a happydance \o\

[fierce tulip]

"I am sorry but your rates are too high for me, I am just a small time indie without any funds"

• Send from Iphone X

[wary wave]

hahaha

[tall pendant]

[wary wave]

it's right up there with people in the forums who complain about Steam Direct's $100 fee being too high

...and how much does your development hardware cost?

[fierce tulip]

we had the same people when ue4 still was 20/month

[frank escarp]

it was good to filter them out

[obsidian nimbus]

it was 20$ and 20$ a month if u wanted updates right?

[wary wave]

yeah

you could unsub if you didn't need updates

[obsidian nimbus]

@fierce tulip dont you have a sad sob story to send back?

[fierce tulip]

i should reply with "I can understand that"

• send from nokia 3210

[obsidian nimbus]

lol

[frosty copper]

🤔 Doesn't take that long to save up enough for Steam.

[cloud cobalt]

If you're going to sell your game on Steam you might want to be real about it and incorporate, anyway

[frosty copper]

I'm still thankful they went as low as 100.

was anticipating at least a thousand.

[wary wave]

I'm still of the opinion the barrier to entry for Steam should be four digits

it would do a lot to keep the asset flips and trading card scams out

[tall pendant]

I'm still for 3.5k+

but hey..

[fierce tulip]

id be fine with that as well

[obsidian nimbus]

nah fuc dat, steam is greedy enough as it is

[frosty copper]

I'd be fine with it if I was in a financially better position. X)

[wary wave]

it's a recoupable fee, so greed doesn't come into it

[fierce tulip]

yea, but now steam is useless as it is unless you have a huge following, some giant youtuber picks it up, or you spend gazillions on marketing

[wary wave]

@frosty copper - if you have a product worth selling, raising $1000 shouldn't be that difficult

now if you want to make anything back you need to spend five digits on marketing 😉

[frosty copper]

shouldn't

[frank escarp]

ive said many times, the best number would be between 500 and 1000

[frosty copper]

🤔 and that sounds more favourable to studios that are between Indie & AAA.

[frank escarp]

that is the minimum you need to fuck the cardfarmers/flippers

[wary wave]

heck, if I thought you had a product worth selling I'd take the risk and loan the $1000

a lot of the cardfarm / asset flip games seem to make around $2000-3000 at the most, so yeah

the majority earn less, but go for quantity

[frank escarp]

flippers make a couple hundred dollars

[frosty copper]

shrug first game myself and my partner are making is just a small partygame that's... essentially Mario Kart & Gangbeats offspring. :p

[wary wave]

nah, I ran the numbers on a fair few of the titles - over a one year period the successful ones tend to make around $2000

[plush yew]

Morning guys

[wary wave]

you only need one or two successes to offset the cost of ten or twenty failures though

[plush yew]

😄

[frosty copper]

o/

[surreal viper]

it's not that easy of a question imo, because 1000$ maybe isn't much in usa but it is in other places

[frosty copper]

🤔 also depends on if they account for different currencies too

[surreal viper]

let's say I'm an indie dev and I'll fail cause i make an okeyish game but people are not interested

[wary wave]

$1000 is three months rent here, but I still think it's a reasonable number

[surreal viper]

loosing 100$ after years of development without full time work

[fierce tulip]

if you cant pay the 1000 dollar fee, sell the computer after you are done developing your game XD

[wary wave]

haha

[surreal viper]

sounds better than loosing 1000$

my computer does not worth 1000$

[wary wave]

it all comes down to confidence in the product and a sound business plan

if you're worried about losing $1000, why are you even releasing on Steam?

[surreal viper]

I'm not worried about losing 1000$, I loose 2-3 years of dev time anyway

but 1000$ is a month of dev cost

[frank escarp]

@surreal viper 90% of the scammers are russian

[surreal viper]

for my slave team

myself included

[frank escarp]

an employee in spain would cost me at around 1500 euros month

[surreal viper]

I think if valve would want to keep the scammers outside of steam they could

without higher steam direct cost

[frosty copper]

Didn't steam start quality checking games with Steam Direct anyway?

[frank escarp]

i think they just give zero fucks

[frosty copper]

or is it the complete opposite?

[frank escarp]

they want the store to be completely automated

google play style

[tall pendant]

QA on steam? lol

[frosty copper]

oh. Fun. x_x

🤔 is game reporting a thing?

[wary wave]

yeah, but it takes a LOT of reports for them to do anything

[frank escarp]

they only do so if you talk shit on reddit

and it becomes public

[surreal viper]

anyway if it would be 1000$ I would live with that but im not sure if it would be better or not

[frank escarp]

reports are worthless, put it on reddit going "why the fuck is this trash on steam"

then it will get deleted in no time

[wary wave]

@surreal vipera - you'd probably be better off

[frosty copper]

figures. also guess it's not that blatantly obvious either. DX

[frank escarp]

like that dev who got deleted becouse he told employees to write fake reviews

something EVERYONE DOES

[wary wave]

since the market would be less saturated with low quality throwaways, it would work to help your visibility

[frank escarp]

and a lot of russian scamdevs use bot farms or extremelly obvious bots

wich is extremelly obvious

like, 1 hour played, 1 game in the account. "pepe54323" account name, and "Nice Game!" review

[wary wave]

Steam's optimum number of new titles is probably no more than around 10-12 a day

[frank escarp]

should be that, a week

[tall pendant]

I think those games/devs who get taken off Steam, must also show a certain amount of actual fraudulence.

[wary wave]

once that number gets higher, discoverability starts to diminish

[frank escarp]

dude discoverability is already shit and its currently around 10 a day

[frosty copper]

grabs a popcorn equivilant 🤔

[wary wave]

it's more than 10 a day, haha

it was something like 40 a day post Steam Direct

[surreal viper]

it can't be that bad, someone said she found my game in steam, was looking for work as a voice actor 😄

so at least one person found my game, yeah

[light bough]

hello there

do you know of a template for split screens ?

[wary wave]

yeah, nearly 8000 games were released last year - the majority of which after June (Steam Direct)

[surreal viper]

this year and next will be even more meh I guess

marketing value of steam is like 0 😢

[wary wave]

this is kind of what I mean - with the barrier to entry so low, you have to compensate with a way larger marketing spend in order to attract any attention

[cloud cobalt]

Like @wary wave said I was really hoping for four digits myself

I strongly believe it would keep Steam better both for gamers and developers

That ship has sailed obviously, discoverability is already gone

Now the barrier of entry will be four digits in marketing

[frank escarp]

greenlight would work

if it was moderated

and russian/ukranian "free games" groups (used to get scam votes) get banned

jim sterling did a video about them

essentially they give free games to get tons and tons and tons of people following onf acebook

[cloud cobalt]

Greenlight was very easy to get through without cheating, really

[frank escarp]

and then they go "vote this game and get a free key of whatever"

they would be comically easy to ban

as they all follow a direct pattern and are extremelly obvious

ban the fuckers

let greenlight work as it should

[reef mortar]

well, no more Rock Simulators hopefully @frank escarp

[cloud cobalt]

The other route is what GOG does

Manual, human review with very high standards

[frank escarp]

the "money" barrier is PS4

to release in ps4 you need to buy a devkit

and buy PEGI (for europe, 1200 euros)

so beetween devkit, pegi, and a couple other misc costs, it goes to 4000€ easy

thats what i spent on DWVR for ps4

from hardware, devkit, pegi, and some people i hired to do a couple translations

i made 30.000€ NET profit from it

so been a sweet profit

sadly, PC indie market is 100% dead this days, thanks to steam

the best indie market right now is switch, by far

followed by consoles

but switch is hand reviewed, and it needs to meet nintendo standards and lineup

[cloud cobalt]

I wouldn't say the PC market is dead, it just has a lot of competition that makes it really hard for your game to get noticed

[frank escarp]

visibillity is a bitch

you better know how to market

becouse how good your game is means nothing now

at least in consoles, as very few games release every week (maybe 10 or so) it means that your game stays on the "new releases" for a month or similar

and people will download and check it

in steam you get buried by default

it doesnt matter how good your game is if no one knows it exists

[vale osprey]

It’s fun to spend 50k to make your game and then 100k on marketing 😄

Thanks Steam you are truly the defender of Indy devs

[obsidian nimbus]

@light bough there is a checkbox in project settings for splitscreen

and its on by default

drag a 2nd player pawn in level, done, profit

[vale osprey]

don't forget about regular sales too

with 75% off on all kind of AAA games, your indie game for 15-20$ is more expensive than a AAA during sales

[cloud cobalt]

@frank escarp To be fair, Steam doesn't owe indie anything.

[vale osprey]

beside their existence in a first place

don't forget that indy is not only small teams projects

[obsidian nimbus]

valve used to be cool....

[vale osprey]

at point when Steam started to get traction you had large studios self-publishing on it

[wary wave]

there are indie studios with tens of employees, and indie studios with hundreds

and yeah, Steam gained a lot of traction because of the latter in that regard

[obsidian nimbus]

like counterstrike mod didnt help em? id say they owe a lot 😛

[cloud cobalt]

Well yeah, Steam got big, but they have no reason to care now. Just being real here.

[vale osprey]

that is yeah, agree

[frank escarp]

steam takes 30%, at least they should offer nice stuff

devs that do offline games dont use any of the steam things

[wary wave]

they offer access to the only PC marketplace that people will use

that's worth a lot

[cloud cobalt]

^

[wary wave]

the fact their service is shit is a result of consumer trends

[frank escarp]

at least they allow you to sell keys outside

and not give % to steam

[cloud cobalt]

What I wanted Steam to do (too late to do it now) was an expensive Direct, or some manual review of games

They would have made as much money

[frank escarp]

ive been talkinga bout the 500$ fee since direct was announced

and i think im still correct about it being a sweet spot

at least culls the mayority of the scammers

[cloud cobalt]

500 or 1000, yeah

[frosty copper]

having an easy "flag as spam" on the main page in blatant sight for a couple months and actually reviewing said flagged uploads would be a good start 🤔

[obsidian nimbus]

if u upload a project on steam that just opens ur itch page, ur a freakin boss 😛

[vale osprey]

too easy to abuse

[frank escarp]

tfw itch io does many, many things better than steam

and its actually a better store

and its 2 random guys

and they can take like sub 5% if you set it

[cloud cobalt]

And no one uses it

[vale osprey]

in case of greenlight there where already cases when people demanded ransom or they would "downvote" your sumbission

[cloud cobalt]

^ downvotes were ignored on Greenlight

[frank escarp]

precisely thanks to russian mafias

[frosty copper]

Plus it could easily be a system where, after it's been reviewed, and said "reports" were false, the button could be removed. 🤔

[frank escarp]

who would mass downvote you

[vale osprey]

quite a few use itch.io
https://dukope.itch.io/return-of-the-obra-dinn

[frank escarp]

amazin

but look at a couple things

itch io let the guy made the store page "themed"

to his game

with old DOS style fonts, and the green background

[vale osprey]

custom page exactly

[wary wave]

Steam used to do that

[frank escarp]

its not like its "too" custom

but its quite nice

[wary wave]

used to

[frank escarp]

why did they remove it? i would love to have it

makes the game pages more personal

[wary wave]

I guess that went out the window when they opened it up to any old shite

[cloud cobalt]

So how much money did this game make on Itch ?

[frank escarp]

beetween 0 and 10 dollars

probably

XD

[wary wave]

too hard to police it, I suspect

[frank escarp]

itch is really good, better than steam, but no one uses it

[frosty copper]

heh, MySpace all over again? 😏

[frank escarp]

@wary wave thats a good point

[cloud cobalt]

The reason I don't bother getting my game on itch is that I don't see better visibility there, or nearly as many users

[frank escarp]

remember valve onlly wants true automation#

[frosty copper]

And that's a similar case with anything I s'pose.

[wary wave]

itch won't gain traction unless they get killer apps

[frank escarp]

doing nothing while it just generates money automatically

[vale osprey]

@cloud cobalt it's in alpha, this is the developer that made Papers Please

[wary wave]

it's the same with any competition platform

[frank escarp]

zero employees and zero customer support or reviews