paper kernel
did they remove a bunch of options from particle editor in 4.17?
#ue4-general
olive schooner
Is there a way to have something like bookmarks for my asset folders? ๐ค
livid haven
Could try using collections.
pallid compass
What are collections?
livid haven
I swear I brought up such a thing to the editor team before and they mentioned some feature I hadn't realized existed that is as good as "bookmarks"
But I don't recall what it was.
Collections are arbitrary sets of references to assets.
So, for example, you could make a collection that stores all assets for a particular character.
pallid compass
Oh :0
livid haven
So you could simply view that collection instead of navigating to various folders containing assets for the character.
pallid compass
God dam ima trt and fix my source engine just to look at this now
olive schooner
There are 4 different content browsers too, looks like it's enough for my case. I'll just keep one on my assets dir, one on my working level, one on the core stuff etc.
plush yew
Please welcome @plain stag to the community! :beers:
plush yew
Does anyone here work with or has worked with UE2 before?
plush yew
Ya
wary wave
I've worked with UE2, but honestly we're talking about a decade ago
nobody uses it any more
livid haven
Some guy called No.17 was on about people using UE2.
A bit rude about the whole thing though...
wary wave
it would have been around 2005/6 that I last used it
livid haven
I swear their name was No.17 but I can't find them at all. Maybe they used some weird unicode values...
plush yew
Oh fr
Damn
But uh like I was saying
I am only using it too bring back Republic Commando
An old star wars game that was left dead for years and has not been touched
Please welcome @slate ermine to the community! :beers:
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
oblique trench
Hey, we're using perforce as source control. Our project's version is based on 4.16. We want to upgrade it to 4.17. Any suggestions or tutorials about how to merge and branch the depot?
whole quarry
Just make a new depot for it
cloud cobalt
Sorry, I haven't used Perforce in years, not sure I cna help a lot
But the answer is definitely not creating a new depot
oblique trench
yes
livid haven
@oblique trench Was dealing with all that for the last two days.
toxic wagon
are there any tutorials on how to set up inventory items/weapons in blueprints?
livid haven
I have a Perforce stream that I use just for handling UE4 GitHub repo merges.
I cloned the latest version from GitHub from Epic, submit it in Perforce, then I would (if I weren't starting from scratch just now) merge in any changes I have to the engine. Submit that, and test it for stability.
Then I have another Stream that has the engine branched, that's the one I work out of.
This does mean you don't have any of the Git history.
You could, ostensibly, have your engine in both Git and Perforce in the long-term.
Get the latest from Epic via Git, resolve whatever changes, commit to your Git repo, push it to your remote Git repo, submit to Perforce.
oblique trench
Looks like complex, We're just sharing Content, Config and Source and .uproject files to using.
livid haven
Welcome to source control. Versioning isn't all that simple.
oblique trench
It would be more confusing if I merge Epic's branch releases from github.
livid haven
Especially across two source control systems.
oblique trench
Yeah that is more complex!
livid haven
The minimalist solution is to just have one stream for your whole project and the engine.
safe rose
Hmm having source in Git and Project on Perforce does seem like the standard thing to do though.
plush yew
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
safe rose
There are plenty of high level talks on it.
livid haven
Unless you get P4 access from Epic, you'll have to deal with cloning from Git, checking out the desired version, fixing any custom changes you have to the engine, and commiting those to both Perforce and your Git repos.
safe rose
@oblique trench I just want to confirm something... You are just updating the project version right? Not source? Or both?
Are you even working with Source or Launcher build?
oblique trench
None of them
shut gulch
it doesn't sound like he is building the engine from source, I think he just wants to upgrade his project to 4.17. You should just be able to have the editor itself upgrade your project, it may just "work" out of the box
safe rose
Okay. So all you want to do is branch your current project out, update it to 4.17... once it is good. Merge. Or just update in place, and submit once good.
I mean, you first need to figure out a workflow that will work best for you. Then just try it out.
livid haven
Aye. There's nothing to do other than get the latest version, switch engine version on the project, test it, and submit it to Perforce afterwards.
shut gulch
you will have to coordinate with your team members since after they pull in your 4.17 commit, they will need to switch to 4.17 to continue working
livid haven
Launcher build is trivial. Source build from Git is complicated.
safe rose
Aye
livid haven
Ostensibly, after submitting the UProject file with 4.17 associated, they won't even be able to open without 4.17.
oblique trench
yeah thats right
safe rose
@oblique trench you can do it!
oblique trench
branching named as "codeline" in P4
safe rose
I think you were just overcomplicating it in your head.
oblique trench
thanks @safe rose and @livid haven
safe rose
No worries.
oblique trench
and @cloud cobalt
safe rose
You are better than most devs
oblique trench
So, somehow I will create codeline(branch) and will try to keep old version files.
safe rose
I say 50% at least don't use VCS
cloud cobalt
Source control is one of these things that's not easy or natural, yet is very much important
obtuse orchid
I pretty much dont develop anymore without source control
crimson sky
hey everyone does anyone have this weird thing in blueprint viewer where
pallid compass
Omg
crimson sky
when they zoom in and the object disappears?
pallid compass
Pc scammers just rang me up right
And was like we help fix ur computer stuff very cheap
So im like
Ye man i need help
Startes reading my compiler errors out
Guy got so confused
Lmfao
buoyant pine
Hello everyone
I'm having an issue right now, my packaged game seems to be really heavy on low-mid end pc's, while my desktop (where I created the game) runs it perfectly
is there a way to decrease the graphics of the packaged version?
the game is really simple
pallid compass
@buoyant pine that is umm
buoyant pine
it's not heavy in terms of content at all
pallid compass
A huge broad statement
Many answers too it
Your best bet is to get on a medium end rig and do some profiling
buoyant pine
humm, and how do I change the graphics? Changing them on the editor doesn't seem to affect the end result
*packaged
pallid compass
Its a config file
buoyant pine
I see, which one? ( and are we still talking about about the editor or are we talking about the packaged game?)
still accepting help, gotta finish this project soon
plush yew
Hi everyone. I have a question according to "Rendering" but since there is no #rendering, If I have a 3D modell which also has many many polygons inside of it, but the interior of this 3D modell is never shown. In which way does the interior affect the performance? If it is inside of other modells, then you could guess that it will never be rendered in the first place, because the engine wouldn't render unnecessary assets if I'm correct. But in my understanding the engine does nevertheless know the data, location and stuff of those assets regardless of assets being rendered. That's my guess, but how does the engine really behave?
safe rose
@plush yew #graphics is #rendering
As far as rendering unseen polys... as far as I know, it is all taken into account when tri count is concerned. Which is why sometimes you just delete faces that will never be seen by the player, to improve performance.
ionic sedge
@buoyant pine Did you try changing the scalability settings?
buoyant pine
it doesn't seem to affect the packaged version
ionic sedge
You need to set them using Execute Console Command in BP using a UI or something (https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/31421/scalability-reference-does-not-apply-to-standalone.html)
There's also the material quality switches if the materials are heavy, but the scalability alone should be enough I think.
sacred crater
plush yew
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plush yew
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inner mountain
Hey everyone!
Does anyone here has an experience or knowledge about starting a game development company in Estonia for foreigners? (probably via e-residency)
plush yew
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
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plush yew
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plush yew
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blazing bear
hi i guess
plush yew
hi lol
tawny brook
Omg, why do i have to hold left click to move my character when I join a new session?
tender bluff
what is it called when a animation starts from any location(example: im standing "near" a table and i have a animation to pick up said item, it then walks to the item and picks it up)
inner mountain
@tender bluff idle state?
@frozen oak probably #ue4-general is more relevant channel for this discussion ๐
@frozen oak well not sure, it depends on how large is your project.
@frozen oak as for myself, for my hobby project I'm using 2 repositories: the main one, with the project itself, code and my own assets. And the second one as a git submodule with 3rd-party assets which I can't legally share with others
frozen oak
Currently not very large. But it has the potential to become very large. especially the art side. so I'd rather get my pipeline right on the first try ๐
bitter edge
Has anyone ever used the vector spring interp? I'm not sure how to set it up, and I cant find any documention on proper implentation.
inner mountain
@frozen oak still, it's up to you. Probably it could make sense to separate by interconnected assets, to allow developers not to download the whole pack of assets, but only relevant part. I guess it's possible to implement lot of different ways of separation :)
I'd say it make sense not to bother yourself from the start, because anyway it's easily possible to substract some part to own git repository when needed
frozen oak
Is it possible to "Lock" Files so that when a dev pulls. they only pull the newest file of that asset instead of the full asset history?
inner mountain
there is one issue with git: since it can't merge any binary assets (including *.uasset files), it's required to somehow manage usage of such files, not to make conflicts
@frozen oak not sure about it, I'm not a git expert ๐ฆ Need to check how git-lfs working with it, maybe it's not fetching previous versions of the files
(in general, with git-lfs each file inside basic git is replaced by small file with lfs info, and then git-lfs fetch the binary file using that info, so while basic git will fetch all versions of that small file, maybe git-lfs will not fetch all data files...)
frozen oak
Tnx! I'll look into it ๐
inner mountain
good luck! ๐
hazy quartz
if anyone is familiar with the BlueprintsOffice learning example i'm trying to figure out how to populate my own dialog box without it changing others that I make.
any ideas?
safe rose
@frozen oak Perforce for life
frozen oak
I dont see how tbh
it might be good for small game jam stuff. But for projects with more than 5 memebers its not realy useable since it has an insane price tag according to the internet
@safe rose
But please, try to convince me that perforce is life. because only saying that wont help me
safe rose
@frozen oak small game jams...lmfao
I don't have to try to convince you. Not my job honestly.
But let me tell you that Perforce is Industry Standard for Source Control
swift spindle
I wont convince ppl to use proforce.. I'll just say... have FUN with git lfs!
safe rose
Lol ^
swift spindle
lost at least 2 months work for whole company for that BS
safe rose
There is a reason why Perforce is still used today in studios even with the costs.
Luckily you get 5 users free.
After that, you have to pay, but whatever.
Nothing can compete with it for GameDev
swift spindle
cheaper by FAR to pay for proforce then lose months of time for 20 ppl....
swift spindle
even if it worked well.. it's still the worst workflow for ue4 ppl...
safe rose
Aye, best VCSworkflow for UE4 is P4
swift spindle
seriously.. I have to use 3 different type of interfaces to even be slightly stable!
frozen oak
Well. I dont see how perforce will help an indie team with 10 members all needing access to the source controll and without funds to pay for perforces fees
thats why i said game jam, since they generally have small teams
safe rose
SVN is another option
swift spindle
well.. its mostly the artists who need it
ugh... git lfs is so bad.. I'd almost rather not work for a company that impliments that
safe rose
Imagine doing source control via Dropbox/GoogleDrive
swift spindle
was better then git...
safe rose
I know of studios who did just that
frozen oak
raises hand
safe rose
@frozen oak anyway. 10 people. I say try out SVN
Better than Git
Or just do Git and do a red/green card check in/out system
frozen oak
Whats the link to their site? google doesnt realy give a clear pick with just svn
swift spindle
ah.... well.. I'll wait to hear about your company in the news when someone goes postal ๐
safe rose
Whatever workflow you come up with. Just take into account that you don't want people overwriting over other's work.
frozen oak
A I found it thanks to an epic article
frozen oak
Also, I just rememberd that my school recently released a website called artella.com It provides a full source controll pipeline for assets. for free with that red card green card thingy you talked about. I might give that a try and use git for my code
ugh, I didnt know source control could become so complicated
swift spindle
boom there goes your project ๐
frozen oak
I know, thats why I said assets
safe rose
I don't understand why you are making this so hard on yourself
frozen oak
Because if I just use git for the assets aswell. the devs have to pull massive files to their machines everytime the pull.
swift spindle
only the files that get changed
frozen oak
and perforce is out of the question because I can never in a million years pay for that without shipping an actuall game first
swift spindle
or new ones
safe rose
I mean @urban salmon will be all about some Git though
He can help you if you want. He is in the same boat.
"poor indie"
frozen oak
Not poor. just not rich enough to spend everything on perforce
safe rose
He wrote up a thing
Hmm
I mean...I would consider you poor
If you can't afford Perforce for a serious GameDev project for your team
swift spindle
@frozen oak consider contacting them... they price differently...
safe rose
That's just my IMHO though
worn granite
What's the price per seat on Perforce again?
swift spindle
yeah....
safe rose
It is a steal tbh
worn granite
If its lfietime maybe I can see that
swift spindle
but you can do cheaper with them for sure
safe rose
Free for up to 5 though. Then on sixth, pay for all.
frozen oak
so I could just go for the free alternatives and save 700........... yeah.... thats an easy choice
safe rose
You can negotiate a bit on price.
You get what you pay for.
That has always been something I always think about.
frozen oak
how so alter?
safe rose
I mean. If you have a serious studio. $7k for legit source control is nothing.
worn granite
For some reason I was under the impression that price was monthly
safe rose
No. Monthly is Assembla
worn granite
But if its a lifetime seat that makes so much more sense
safe rose
And that's $40/month
swift spindle
proforce is expensive compared to supposedly free...
you pay for bandwidth on github...
each time a user pulls
safe rose
$40/user/month = Assembla Online Hosted Perforce
So.. $400/month for Blueman
But fuck Assembla
frozen oak
I use the visuall studio team servers atm. unlimited bandwith and repos. just a 5 seat limit
so I store my assets at another place (google drive) atm so the artists can work on them
safe rose
@frozen oak not sure what to tell you man. Perforce is the best. Anything else is just going to make life a bit harder for you unless you come up with a solid workflow that won't fuck you over
swift spindle
seperate folders and sublevels is the most you can hope for
modern root
haha no worries at all
safe rose
It was good when it was legitimate
modern root
I was soo fucking pissed when they said nah you need to pay now
I JUST PAID 600$ FOR WHAT!?
safe rose
Then they saw all the GameDevs coming...and saw $$$$$
And then rose all the prices and separated Perforce as a service.
Yeah, I washed my hands with them after that move.
I got them a whole bunch of business.
modern root
They ignored all my emails asking about respecting my 1 year purchase
modern root
We paid for the entire year and they couldn't even respect that agreement. I looked through the terms tho and it says they have no obligation
Was real furious about that
safe rose
They still sponsor gamejams I guess with the gamejam server I started.
modern root
told them to fuck off and ended up hosting locally
safe rose
@modern root yeah. I mean once you have had a taste of Perforce, it's hard going to other VCS
modern root
Was a right reach around trying to get access outside of the office but ahh well
safe rose
I keep trying to like Git too. I mean I use Git for local repo copies for solo dev work
Via Sourcetree
modern root
For sure, it's given us the least issues. It is bloody expensive but for how much we use it and how much the artists actually can functionally use it, it is worth its weight in gold
keen carbon
New logos and the company formation is pending ๐
safe rose
But other than that, it's Perforce for everything.
@keen carbon who are you Marine squirel hmm
modern root
Yeah I'm using git now on some contract work and it's terrible for UE4. Just pure garbage
and yes i've set up LFS etc
keen carbon
I am marinesquirel of course ๐
swift spindle
I've never seen so many errors for any system in my entire life before git LFS
keen carbon
so we will soon be Three Peak Studios
safe rose
@modern root you should set Perforce up on a droplet
$5-$20/month
Probably one of the cheapest and worthwhile other than DigitalOcean
modern root
I use vultr for the VPN to punch through the office firewall but we host locally to get seriously good speeds
safe rose
@modern root nice
glacial pollen
why does typing show collision in console, not show blocking volumes?
it shows box components just fine at least
but its not a good representation of collision if it wont show volumes :<
is there any type of volume it does show?
thorn topaz
Is there a way to hide struct members in a data table?
polar hawk
plush yew
Please welcome @night gale to the community! :beers:
night gale
Hello
thorn topaz
Hello @night gale
night gale
๐
kindred dagger
<@&213101288538374145> where would I post an advert for a learning only discord collab group? Am I allowed
safe rose
Anywhere but jobs
Ofc, that's where the only place you could put it in is atm
Since it takes an arm, a leg, some babies to get new channels on this server
worn granite
managing a server isn't that easy and you know it
toxic vale
ugh, still not figured out my actor spawning issue lol
they keep bumping into eachother sometimes and fly to the sky ๐
with 10 points of spawn lol
tulip vault
Working on an open world game and here's its land layout https://imgur.com/uWRdG3V
this is about 4km X 7km
http://i.imgur.com/Uxt2cN1.png fills the default skysphere
safe rose
@tulip vault We have a #work-in-progress section to show off things then ๐
safe rose
Probably should rename to #showcase
@tulip vault no worries, just didn't know if you had a question ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
toxic vale
Victor, If i put a spawn of a actor to "dotn spawn if collide" does that menas it litarilly wont spawn, or choose a different spawn point?
safe rose
@toxic vale lol
toxic vale
wuut :p
safe rose
Well...
I mean, you just wrote it
@toxic vale What's your problem?
Like show BP in #blueprint
toxic vale
will do
primal siren
@cloud cobalt @vale osprey got a response from epic, if you sell your game to a company for X amount and they sell it for Y amount, you only pay the royalties on X amount. you do not pay royalties on what the company onsells your game for.
shut gulch
inb4 shell company
primal siren
that was the point i was getting to yesterday
which some people were so strong-headily sure wouldn't work
shut gulch
I think at the scale where they would start to care it wouldn't work
primal siren
going so far as to say the company that bought them would have to pay royalties ๐
shut gulch
I think if you legitamately sell your game to a legit reseller it works, but I don't think its something I would try to actually loophole into paying less
primal siren
they would have no way of knowing this, unless you admitted it
it's not something i'm advocating, but something i hypothesised happening when someone was fretting about paying money
the same people were also 100% sure that you'd have to pay royalties on the VAT/GST that customers pay for a game ๐
woop. new athlean-x video.
plush yew
Please welcome @fossil hornet to the community! :beers:
south ridge
@tulip vault That looks pretty cool
@primal siren btw, thanks for getting back on that
primal siren
np
south ridge
That confirms the other thing I was curious about
primal siren
didn't make sense what was being said as it would be against the law to do in most countries, if not all
piqued my interest :p
12 years running a business you tend to pick up a thing or two
toxic vale
wutface im running into so much strange issues
one friend spawns super high in sky
i spawn below map
What is actually choosing the defualt spawn X if no actor etc is set to spawn anywhere
plush yew
Please welcome @tardy veldt to the community! :beers:
primal siren
@toxic vale this might help - https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/301103/multiplayer-spawn-points-blueprint.html
plush yew
Please welcome @quartz root to the community! :beers:
tulip vault
http://i.imgur.com/6p6kjlL.png how can i fix this?
also, it's saying the city block models want their own separate textures and there's 50 slots fo rthat
inner mountain
@swift spindle @modern root @safe rose why you all don't like git? I came from web development and currently I'm using git+lfs for my hobby UE4 project for about 3 monthes and it looks the same good as for web projects. While the most annoying thing is that UE4 is storing all stuff in binary files ๐ฆ But this part anyway will not be better with other VCS.
modern root
Binary files and more difficult working in teams is my major gripe, the latter really being a flaw with distributed VCS's in general
inner mountain
but the only thing other vcs can give is just locking assets when someone is working with them. As for me it's not more than a hack/workaround
modern root
Not just locking assets but visually showing some one else is working on it without the need to constantly be yelling around in the office or having a physical hand over board
Don't get me wrong I use git for personal work, it's great for that
for game dev teams i'd personally advise people to steer away from it
Especially if working in UE4
inner mountain
still don't see why. Is there any other things in addition to files lock?
just it could be easily added into gitโฆ
modern root
Have you worked with artists on a project?
tulip vault
What's the overall size of the default sky sphere? I'd like to know so i can guesstimate a size of my word
inner mountain
but in fact it's better to develop something to parse *.uasset files and merge them, I'm almost sure it's possible
tulip vault
I ask because my world model is larger than my grid
modern root
Every single artist I have worked with has always struggled with git, it's not a detriment to them, it's just git requires you to be a lot more hands on (imo).
Give the same artists plastic or perforce and they are a in struggle town a whole lot less. This might come down to the VCS client but regardless in my experience it has been a lot less painful for non-technical folk
inner mountain
@modern root do you mean artists who's working outside of UE4? (making models, textures, etc) If so, it's not different how to work with graphics designers in a web project, in my opinion
modern root
Both outside and inside UE4. People who have overlapping work
inner mountain
there are GUIs for git for non-technical guys
modern root
That there is, but they aren't straight foward to use imo.
inner mountain
overlapping work is again about locking assets, no?
modern root
Not neccesarily
And then the usual spill of binary assets git is not great at dealing with, and im talking about detecting changes as well lfs won't solve that. I've had multiple issues with git not realising a binary file (.uasset) has been modified.
Now as I mentioned this is all in my experience. My experience has been a nightmare when it comes to game dev and git, outside of that, it has been fantastic.
modern root
haha thanks @polar hawk
cloud cobalt
@primal siren Sure, but your shell company will also pay royalties, so there is no point.
primal siren
no, no it wont
only the company that developed the game pays the royalties
this is what i've confirmed via email with epic
cloud cobalt
So a company selling a UE4 game it licensed wouldn't pay royalties ?
primal siren
the company that develops it pays the royalties
who ever they sell copies of this game to to onsell does not
plain and simple
doing so with a shell company could end up in court if it was proven, but it's the developer company that made the game pays the royalties only on their initial sale
multiple companies do not pay the royalties
IE if you sell a game to a company for 1$ per copy, the total royalties paid to epic per game are 5c. if the company you sold it to onsells for 10$, the total royalties paid are still 5cents per copy
not an additional 5cents, just the initial 5 cents. the second company does not owe royalties.
cloud cobalt
Okay
plush yew
Does anyone have a good link to a tutorial how to add animations to a character
I tried to use mixamo to add animations to my zombie character but it said that the skeletons don't match and I got confused with it
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
plush yew
Please welcome @leaden dust to the community! :beers:
surreal viper
sure
fierce tulip
@kindred dagger need permission from @maiden swift so dm him.
plush yew
Please welcome @placid marsh to the community! :beers:
placid marsh
hello
versed rain
guys... noob question. i've done this before but i don't remember what was that i needed to change (making notes this time). I have a pawn with a custom mesh with a spring arm and a camera. i want the camera to be exactly at 500 so I set the spring arm length to 500 but... camera is not moving. I've done this before as i said but i don't remember what i need to "tick" to make this work. ideas?
plush yew
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
versed rain
oh and hi @placid marsh and @plush yew
versed rain
i want to set a spawn point which is the best class to do so? actor doesn't have a position. should i set some invisible mesh or something like that?
vale osprey
@primal siren good to know, makes sense from legal point of view
@versed rain there is player spawn actor
versed rain
@vale osprey are you talking about playerstart? i think that maybe in my case i want target point (just researched)
are there any big differences?
i wan tmultiple spawn points by the way
vale osprey
No idea, main functionality of player spawn is to automatically spawn one from a world default settings
wary wave
my spawn point classes are always derived from actor
there is no need to use anything else that I can see
versed rain
but actor doesn't have a vector position right?
plush yew
Please welcome @peak dome to the community! :beers:
versed rain
yes i also thought so, i extended one and it did't work before but now it is ๐ just forget it lol
sorry for the noobiness
should an enemy be of type Character or Actor suffices?
it walk around so... maybe character is more accurate
pearl shoal
It depends on what you want the enemy to be like
Ideally character is better
unless you want something that doesn't act human-like, say a snake
versed rain
i want it to be human like
pearl shoal
Then character is ideal
versed rain
actually i have another question related to this one i want to derive various enemies from the base Enemy class but i need to set a TArray of all the enemy classes so... how should i do it? can i just set the Enemy Class? will it act like an interface? i know this is a c++ question but maybe you can help me out
pearl shoal
You want a TArray with all the classes in it? What for?
You can make all enemies children of a given class, then just store all of them in an array and get its class
but I don't know what you want it for, so I can't really go more in depth
versed rain
so maybe i'm thinking this wrong but.. .what i want is an array to decide which enemy will spawn. with an array i can random the length and state "now create one enemy of these"
would you approach the matter other way?
pearl shoal
Oh, that, yeah. Then you'd just make an array with all the enemy classes you have in your project, then use any function you'd like to pick a random value from 0 to (Array.length - 1)
You wouldn't put the base class in there though
The base class would just be to have the base behaviour of these enemies
Like, if they are all going to receive damage the same way, you just define it there and let the children inherit that function
plush yew
Hi everyone. How can I delete assets/blueprints savely if they are used by other assets/blueprints? I just tried to but my project keeps crashing because one or more (i guess one) blueprint is not deleted properly. It exists in the content browser but if I try to access it, the projekt crashes.
pearl shoal
You do a redirectors fix up from the content browser
and then remove it from your game folder
then do another redirectors fix up
plush yew
If I do a redirector fix then it crashes as well and does not tell me why. It says that blueprint.cpp creates the crash with a assertion failure - So I guess it can not properly create something because some was not properly deleted
pearl shoal
then most likely you'll have to delete it directly
not from the content browser, but from your file explorer
versed rain
@pearl shoal yes but you need to set a type on the TArray to store the enemies. which type do I set? or do you think i should just set FString with the class names or something?
plush yew
@pearl shoal well I did and it crashes nevertheless =/
It's not in the content browser and not in the file explorer but it is responsible for the crash ๐ฆ
pearl shoal
@versed rain The type is UClass
@plush yew There must be some essential connection to that file that makes it crash. Does the log give you any info?
inner mountain
@modern root well there is no vcs which can handle changes in binary files. (at least not I'm aware of)
modern root
Perforce
plush yew
The log doesn't give me any info sadly. It just tells me that there is a assertion failure happening in the blueprint.cpp =/ So I know at least that is has something to do with "some" blueprint but after opening and placing every blueprint actor in my project nothing crashes. If I want to build the project or if I want to fix redirectories, then it crashes, according to the same assertion failure
Please welcome @pearl acorn to the community! :beers:
inner mountain
@modern root are you saying Perforce can merge changes in binary files?
versed rain
@pearl shoal oh and then you type cast or something to get the functions?
pearl shoal
Exactly, @versed rain. It all depends on how you want to handle it
modern root
It can attempt to merge them yes, to address your original statement however perforce handles changes and just binary in general fairly well over other VCS solutions.
@inner mountain
inner mountain
@modern root by locking the files! it could be done with any vcs.
And what do you mean by "attempt to merge"? can I allow 2 developers work at the same time on the same level and then merge their changes? (assuming there is no conflicts, they are working on different parts of the same level)
modern root
You keep going back to that, I'm saying how it handles it. e.g. delivery, diffing, timestamping, compression, revisioning etc. It's more then just file locking.
Probably not with p4 merge alone but you arguably picked one of the more complex binary files to merge. It has worked in the past for me for psd's, maya files but not all the time. Anything uasset related can just be diffed in the editor.
versed rain
@pearl shoal thanks ๐ not working everyday on unreal or games is hard to know some stuff ehehe
inner mountain
@modern root ok, if it can, at least, make diffs I agree it could be better in that case. But since it's proprietary stuff with huge prices, anyway there is no real alternative to git, from my point of view
modern root
Free as long as you don't go over 5 users, but yes expensive after that
worthy ether
is there any special setup I need to do to get StartCameraFade (Blueprint) working?
Im running from a blank c++ project and it just doesnt seem to want to work
nevermind, looks like I just needed to restart the editor ๐
reef python
Can i make a fps multiplayer without touching c++ in unreal?
frank escarp
@reef python Yes you can, but its not a good idea
reef python
Why is it a bad idea?
frank escarp
and good luck becouse the core of CharacterMovement and similar stuff is on C++
becouse not everything is overrideable/editable from blueprints
for example, movement code
ALL the replicated movement code of the CharacterMovementComponent is on C++
reef python
Ohh so i should get mmy ass up and learn c++ then
frank escarp
you can start with blueprints, its fine
but not for a "final" game, as there are limits
pretty much no one ever uses blueprint for 100%
but if you want to mess around its fine
reef python
But is using C++ for 100% of the game a bad idea?
obtuse orchid
@reef python Not really
safe rose
@reef python Hmmm
frank escarp
yes, it is
frank escarp
if you look at ShooterGame, its like 99% C++
but still uses the blueprints to create the different weapons and config
safe rose
Sometimes the time and effort to do it in C++ is not justified
wary wave
you can make a first person shooter entirely in blueprints, so long as you don't need any particularly unique movement behaviours
frank escarp
and the animations are in blueprints
safe rose
I mean yes, on the flipside you can create a game 100% in BP
obtuse orchid
Well Blueprint nativization is a thing now
frank escarp
usually one does a balance. The balance depends on the game, team, and people
obtuse orchid
so we can turn BP into c++ right.
pallid compass
no
cloud cobalt
@obtuse orchid No
frank escarp
it doesnt let them do extra things
pallid compass
thats not how it works
safe rose
TBH, if you create a game 100% in BP, and you can endure the limitations, there is obviously no need for the C++
cloud cobalt
You're turning Blueprints into compiled binaries, not C++
frank escarp
the devs of Solus were 100% blueprint
safe rose
Then Rama came
frank escarp
they went SO FAR into blueprints they ran into engine limits
wary wave
yeah, but Solus really shouldn't have been blueprints
safe rose
Well that was also
frank escarp
and had to call Rama to recode it
frank escarp
yeah, it was long ago
safe rose
Now they could probably do it in BP
frank escarp
Rama sweept in, and recoded the whole game to C++
(at least i think thats what ended up happening)
wary wave
nah, Solus is still largely, if not entirely blueprint
frank escarp
to be fair the solus devs went way too far
wary wave
I've seen a chunk of their BPs and it's absolutely nuts
should never have been built that way
safe rose
Too bad I wasn't already graduated back then
frank escarp
they are very well made, but its beyond fucking huge
having 30 functions in a blueprint is not good
and subgraphs into subgraphs into subgraphs
safe rose
Well
frank escarp
it just was too huge of a scale
safe rose
You know... most of these "famous" ue4 devs didn't get that way because they were gods of ue4
pallid compass
wtf lmao
reef python
50% BP 50% C++ bad idea?
cloud cobalt
We did the opposite and did 95% of our game in C++
frank escarp
right now DWVR is around 70% C++
but damn, the 30% left has given me headaches
due to the clusterfuck of upgrading the engine 12 times, and refactoring stuff constantly
frank escarp
on newer projects im leaning more towards 90% C++
safe rose
Problem solved
pallid compass
get your shit working then move wht u need to c++ if your feeling iffy
frank escarp
leave the blueprints for prototyping stuff (than then gets written into C++), and for "FX"
so animations, special effecs, lights, etc, those all in blueprint
becouse its faster to iterate
safe rose
I don't know. I find the argument that going BP first then C++ more and more unenticing
The reason: time
frank escarp
blueprints dont compile
and they translate directly into C++
you save lots of time just by not hot reloading
safe rose
I feel like, if you're going to do C++ anyway, you might as well start there
Unless it's some super quick prototpye that needs to go out
frank escarp
keep in mind that this blueprint stuff is usually small graphs
pallid compass
the reason u do it is to help you visuallu understsnd work flow if yourr not confident in things
frank escarp
the moment they become big, they get C++-d
safe rose
Sure, then I can see the argument, do it in BP. Then start working on the game in C++
But let's say you're in dev for 1+ years... full BP game...
frank escarp
fuck no XD
safe rose
Converting that shit to C++
frank escarp
thats my problem with DWVR
frank escarp
blueprints are hard to mantain
they become a disaster real fast
and you cant put them on GIT and use merges/diff easily
cloud cobalt
The biggest advantage of C++ is long-term maintanability
frank escarp
refactoring/mantaining C++ is a lot easier than doing that on blueprints
safe rose
Also migrate
ionic sedge
Why not? Just select the nodes and copy paste.
frank escarp
on the other side, any nullptr instantly crashes
safe rose
But regardless
My point is, BP is not technically harder to maintain than C++, it's just that people usually fuck up from the beginning
And make it unmanageable
cloud cobalt
Of course it is
frank escarp
but you cant copypaste, refactor, or use source control easily on them
cloud cobalt
Version control doesn't work for graphical assets - not for multiple-years developments
raven cedar
BP is not harder to maintain? lollers
safe rose
๐
pallid compass
Half and half for both really
safe rose
Give me some examples
cloud cobalt
We have history for UE 4.01 code here.
safe rose
You can't just come in and say it's harder or not
cloud cobalt
We can actually compare it to 4.17 code
safe rose
Or LOLLERS!
frank escarp
you can have source control in blueprints. But you cant compare them easily
cloud cobalt
Good lucking comparing your three-years-old Blueprint to the current revision
pallid compass
Depends whats in blueprint and whats in c++
raven cedar
First question: How many of you are engineers or programmers with at least 10+ years coding?
frank escarp
on perforce, you can easily scroll your different code versions and see what changed
raven cedar
how about the same for Blueprint? 5 years? MAYBE?
safe rose
@frank escarp you can diff BPs via SC
raven cedar
BP != code and its shit to maintain
frank escarp
@safe rose never managed to diff blueprints properly
cloud cobalt
@safe rose Can you get the all-time history for every separate node in your graph ?
In C++ you can
It's builtin in your source control software
pallid compass
Hes got a huge point there
raven cedar
You dont need to use source control to justify how SHIT BP is
cloud cobalt
@safe rose You just do
raven cedar
we did this shit long ago without source control. Source control was a floppy on the side
frank escarp
BP is fine for high level gameplay, level stuff, or prototyping
pallid compass
Bp has pros and cons just like c++ if ur not got mad c++ exp
frank escarp
it can do mostly the same as C++, but mantaining it is horrible
raven cedar
BP == prototype and business logic at the game play level. Not at the engine or translation to engine side. Anyone trying to do heavy (really much of any) loops, async or data work, should be using C++ and not BP.
cloud cobalt
@safe rose If you've never had to maintain years-old logic that used to work and doesn't / was thrown out and needs being put back / is strange and needs history to comprehend, I wonder how long you've been programming
raven cedar
unless you are a noob designer with about as much experience as a gnat
pallid compass
Agree with u there !
cloud cobalt
Looking at a single line and wondering "why is that here" in C++ you have the answer in seconds
No matter how old it is
pallid compass
Even the gpa system made by epic uses c++ at core then bp for setup
frank escarp
Robo recall is 90% blueprints
becouse robo recall has tons of different random mechanics
pallid compass
Wtf rly lmao
frank escarp
they use C++ for the "framework" of it
pallid compass
Yeah so same as gpa
cloud cobalt
No one is arguing that Blueprints are actually bad, but long-term maintanability is simply not something they can ever do
Because they're graphical
pallid compass
Put comment on every node ez
raven cedar
but, stranger, imagine how amazin WoW would be if it all ran from LUA scripts? I mean.....
cloud cobalt
Lua scripts can be diffed just like C++
frank escarp
wow has massive amount of lua scripts mate
have you ever tried to run a pirate server?
pallid compass
Omg
cloud cobalt
Everything text-based can be versioned, blamed, diffed - Blueprint can't
frank escarp
well, thats exactly what we are arguing. Just use bluepritns for high level gameplay logic
pallid compass
They use a fuck ton in it
cloud cobalt
Blueprints are perfect for when you won't ever care about the versioning
frank escarp
we need a text blueprint...
pallid compass
Define high level
cloud cobalt
Lua is very maintainable
raven cedar
I am guessing, as I see, no one responded to my first question, that most are not really engineers or engine programmers here, but you are all talking like you are
oks
pallid compass
Ohh sorry !
Bp for 2 years, c++ for round7 however i tool huge break from c++ being past 4 years and just got back to it
So not long tbh
cloud cobalt
@raven cedar I actually do have a decade of programming experience - mostly in C, C++ for OS / driver / middleware dev
pallid compass
Started at 14, stoppes at 21 started again at 25
cloud cobalt
Also an actual software engineer
pallid compass
I really need to invest more time with it
cloud cobalt
@raven cedar You also come out as an asshole asking this, with respect
frank escarp
he has been incredibly aggresive from the start
raven cedar
I do
but I have learned that many speak without knowledge
and for full disclosure
25 years DBA, 8 years SEO/websites, 15 years CG pipelines/TD engineering
pallid compass
I love how we can all go at it in here but still keep it civil
raven cedar
also a SWE
cloud cobalt
No one cares about your resume though.
pallid compass
Dam son
raven cedar
well, yes and no
I am not gonna spend time talking to first year ppl with zero clue
you guys always seem to know wtf is up
that is why I asked
pallid compass
I can kinda understand that
pallid compass
Iv spent so much time debating with people about multiplayer logic with inexperianced people, it can get frustrating
vale osprey
why do you need to debate anything?
pallid compass
WHen u can just rep notofy a bool etc
People sendinf vector target data to server etc
List goes on haha
Sometimes its hard to make people see the lighf
Light
cloud cobalt
Back to the point, I think the commonly agreed upon thing is that Blueprints give great power to designers - LDs, char designers, weapon designers and so on. And C++ will obviously be preferred by engineering persons who're working on the supporting structures beneath that.
pallid compass
Agreed
cloud cobalt
Pretty much the way Epic has been operaing, even when it was Unrealscript rather than Blueprint
pallid compass
Honestly as well i can say
cloud cobalt
UT3 had a C++ Weapon class and individual scripted classes for every weapon on top, for example
Just like you'll do in BP today
pallid compass
Blueprinting has helped me learn logic flow better from visually seeing my workflow
reef python
Last question if there werent BP in UE4 would i have to make the game in only c++
cloud cobalt
Yes
frank escarp
no, you would have unrealscript 4
pallid compass
if nothinh replaced it yes
reef python
So it would be like unity kinda?
frank escarp
no one, EVER, uses C++ purely
becouse its just stupid
script elnguage exist for a reason
pallid compass
burn him he said the u ord
raven cedar
skooooooooookumscript! ๐
pallid compass
word
vale osprey
@reef python why does it matter? You will crunch through 20+ different projects before you get something that can be sold while feeling proud of your work
pallid compass
while all you brain boxs re hesr anyone have a clue about this
trying to build 4.16.3 on laptop fresh
vale osprey
that will take year and years, at that time you can learn whatever you want/need to get your work done
plush yew
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
frank escarp
and even if he wants to learn c++, its better to start with blueprints
better tutorial and easier to just tinker
vale osprey
@pallid compass could you click on output tab first and scroll to the first error? can't see shit
reef python
and almost all ue4 offical tuts is in bp and almost every youtube tut is in bp too
plush yew
Hello, I am new, when I want ask question about Blueprints, should I go to Blueprint channel?
raven cedar
maybe zoom in for my old ass eyeballs ๐
pallid compass
sure 1 sec on tablet
frank escarp
VS intellisense shits itself
raven cedar
use VAX and turn off IS
vale osprey
I mean it more in a sense that if someone want to win a Tour de France then "Which brand of bike I should buy?" is not an important question
plush yew
When I want ask question about Blueprints, should I go to Blueprint channel?
raven cedar
"The one that makes you go fast! Of course!"
reef python
@plush yew Yes
plush yew
thanks
pallid compass
obtuse orchid
@pallid compass Has visual studio finished including all files yet?
pallid compass
not sure what u mean then
frank escarp
look at the Output log
pallid compass
plush yew
@reef python my question is there, see it please
frank escarp
looool 19 failed
pallid compass
fresh vs install
reef python
@plush yew I'm new to unreal so idk
pallid compass
fresh 4.16.3 clone
ooo vs update wth
The struggle rn
Miss work rig
anythoughts on errors from nyone?
error seam to be win 8.1 kit missing but its there?
pallid compass
il give it ago thank you
been in zbrush for likw 6 days miss engine so much
ughh
same shit
is there reset all vs button
plush yew
Please welcome @meager pelican to the community! :beers:
tropic pilot
is there a channel where i can ask a question about maya and size/scale problems?
pallid compass
source build issue nt project
ionic sedge
@tropic pilot No idea. I guess this is the channel!
plush yew
Please welcome @quick gulch to the community! :beers:
quick gulch
Thanks, HAL.
plush yew
Please welcome @fair current to the community! :beers:
reef python
Welcome
plush yew
Please welcome @floral flare to the community! :beers:
Please welcome @bronze maple to the community! :beers:
Please welcome @vestal helm to the community! :beers:
Please welcome @short wraith to the community! :beers:
ionic sedge
Why graphics if it's a DCC app/scale problem?
I don't think there's a good place for stuff like that right now.
inner mountain
@ionic sedge "Materials, lighting, visual effects and 3D asset creation"
ionic sedge
Oh, never saw that in the description. But that's really broad then, especially when there's super specific stuff like the gameplay abilities plugin.
And a bit arbitrary, in the UE4 forums stuff like DCC problems would be better in Content Creation than in Rendering for example.
Anyway if that's the place for it it's all good I guess.
plush yew
Please welcome @alpine barn to the community! :beers:
Please welcome @gentle swallow to the community! :beers:
ruby chasm
Anyone know why my cine camera matinee is seeing these sparks in mid-air? It's not an emitter or anything in my scene
During playback, it looks like noise
plush yew
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
obsidian nimbus
it looks like lens flare
plush yew
Please welcome @proper owl to the community! :beers:
proper owl
hi :>
safe rose
Damnit. When some newb cuts the fibers for 50+k users. And it's cloudy out. Cell phone reception is close to nada. Makes you wonder what's going to happen next. I missed out on some good stuff in here ๐ญ
4.5 hours to get it fixed. So many tiny wires to splice
plush yew
Please welcome @scarlet jackal to the community! :beers:
scarlet jackal
Why thank you.
dusty quail
pallid compass
Omg
obsidian nimbus
in russia u dont need a pc for UE4, u need UE4 for a pc ๐
grave nebula
That is right. People start working as modellers at age of 8 in russia lol
vestal cloak
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grave nebula
Sometimes I wish there would be a symbolic monthly fee for accessing UE4 and its resources. It would have filtered out occurrences like that.
lost ember
nah
glossy flame
lost ember
open source best source
thorn topaz
Any idea why a gui would work when the map loads but when you leave to a different map and come back, it doesn't?
also, this issue only happens in VR
thorny iron
whoa that looks crazy
pallid compass
Finally
wild kestrel
thats just my tweet with screenshot from trailer
safe rose
@wild kestrel lol
cursive swift
Shadow Complex Remastered
Humble Unreal Engine Bundle
9MA4H-K5YC6-TRL99-ZNF7A
plush yew
Please welcome @karmic sapphire to the community! :beers:
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
tawny brook
any idea why servertravel console cmd doesn't change maps? ping me when u respond
obsidian nimbus
dat looks pretty sick
plush yew
Please welcome @whole prairie to the community! :beers:
thorn topaz
For some reason my input action is not being called when I return to the map in VR. Any ideas why?
toxic vale
nvm steering wheel thingie, figured it out ๐ https://gyazo.com/53e038f9e7aad8c123e006ff475d6781
plush yew
Please welcome @cold ridge to the community! :beers:
plush yew
Please welcome @hearty creek to the community! :beers:
Please welcome @zenith goblet to the community! :beers:
zenith goblet
Hey, anyone had success with getting multiple cameras to render on a single machine, not via local multiplayer splitscreen? ie: two full-screen independent cameras?
Im just going to continue this here and say I can achieve what I want by using quad split screen and passing that through a datapath X4 and taking two quadrants into independent screens...but unless I render that quad split-sceen view at 8K I cannot get two independent 4K screens
and while you can force an edid into 8K, nothing is going to actually pump that out effectively for me to carve up
plush yew
Please welcome @steep skiff to the community! :beers:
steep skiff
Was looking for some help with using one character to pick up and launch another. I asked the sub reddit and they told me to do this, I am having trouble understanding how to use a trace line and where does
"class is child of" come into play? heres the post https://www.reddit.com/r/unrealengine/comments/6wuv0b/characters_that_can_throw_each_other/
plush yew
Please welcome @livid bison to the community! :beers:
Please welcome @gray venture to the community! :beers:
warm mountain
I might have made some miscaculations, been calculating the extent of expenditure getting my game publsihed and made. After considering outsourcing, fiverr and various other low budget options while I focus on the more crucial aspects of it. The cost winded up to about 106k in estimates at its lowest.
Is this normal for lets say a cartoony graphics game with 7 levels and about 12 characters? I broke down the cost and I gotta say I big chunk of it went to
Hiring Programmers Capable with AI Design: 25%
Hiring a few Vocie Actors: 27%
Hiring a musician to compose 11 tracks: 25%
3D Models, VFX and SFX Assets: 7%
Publishing, Trademarking, Marketing: 8%
Animation and Rigging: 6%
Everything Else: 2%
its a first game i'm trying to create and i'm trying to find out what to expect and how I should go about budgeting it. Animations and Rigging cost could be even higher but I'm doing most of it.
wary wave
$106k doesn't sound unreasonable for a small game
warm mountain
gotcha
I was just worried I went overkill with the finances
didn't expect voice acting to be so much
wary wave
going overkill is not a problem
going under however is a disaster, so always err on the side of caution
warm mountain
fair enough
warm mountain
I want to get the finances at least straighten out before I attempt it
wary wave
'Programmers' seems like plural
warm mountain
haha
safe rose
OneManJob
warm mountain
yup
safe rose
One(wo)ManJob
wary wave
$26k doesn't seem like an overspend for a year of programming?
warm mountain
I figured I would need a few to tackle it
safe rose
$26k on contract?
warm mountain
but for now I'm sticking to one
safe rose
I am assuming
warm mountain
26k in the course of 6 months
safe rose
Yeah..that's pretty good
warm mountain
at least thats the quote I got
wary wave
still doesn't seem like an overspend (in one year, it seems low for multiple people)
safe rose
Bit of a ripoff tbh
warm mountain
I'm still doing a bit of the programming on my own
but I don't really trust myself with A.I
safe rose
AI isn't that hard
warm mountain
heard its pretty tough
safe rose
Or something, cause your art is super low
warm mountain
I already have quite a number of assets I made over the years
safe rose
Nice
warm mountain
about 2k of em
chairs, tables etc when I was schooling
so I'm using some of those
trying to adapt an old dystopian comic into a game
wary wave
that was over a year ago?
plush forum
Yes i saw that but there was a other leak now
safe rose
@plush forum leak?
plush yew
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
pseudo parrot
does anybody on here use Git and Git-LFS?
having some straaaaange issues with our server today and google isn't helping
plush yew
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
safe rose
@pseudo parrot The Answer: Perforce
pseudo parrot
yeah sadly that's not a viable answer since the entire office is on git and changing isn't a decision i can make ๐
wary wave
we're on SVN here
it's painful
Got a crash bug in your UI? Can't create a changelist, shelve it and pass it on, oh no
you've got to submit that bastard to the main branch
now everyone's editor crashes on startup until it's reverted
pseudo parrot
oh man we used to use SVN, that was an even bigger nightmware than git
safe rose
Dropbox and Google Drive it up then
raahah
Anyway, I wish Fix Up Redirectors actaully did its job
100% of the time
Because it sure as hell doesn't
pseudo parrot
@wary wave does SVN still copy every file when a new branch is made instead of just tracking for changes from the original?
pseudo parrot
man i don't miss using SVN haha
yeah whenever we made a branch, our head was like 40gb (give or take) and the server would make a copy of every file in the head just for the new branch. No need at all
safe rose
Oh shit son
No more crashes on 4.15->4.17 migration
(knock on wood)
Kept getting this: Error: Assertion failed: BoundProperty [File:D:\Build++UE4+Release-4.17+Compile\Sync\Engine\Source\Editor\BlueprintGraph\Private\MakeStructHandler.cpp] [Line: 115]
Found the culprit, killed it
inner mountain
@pseudo parrot I'm using git + lfs for my project
cloud cobalt
Using regular Git here
pseudo parrot
@norlido do you use any hooks? Specifically pre commit to ensure no binary files are being pushed without lfs tracking them?
Our precommit is now failing on lighting build data for absolutely no good reason, even though I can see lfs is tracking them our hook is complaining that it's not
This is our precommit hook
safe rose
TBH
If there were some solid guides out for Git/GitLFS
and UE4 especially
Like something big and comprehensive, I would probably be all up on it myself
I only use Git for local repos
I do find it a lot easier to deal with versus trying to create multiple local depots of Perforce
cloud cobalt
Git is much better when dealing with source code, but the additional power requires lots of learning
Being able to rewrite history is a must when you start having large teams
brave horizon
My designer today, "Wait, what's git?"
leaden dust
whats new in 4.17
safe rose
@leaden dust more bugs
leaden dust
is it worth updating from 16.2
safe rose
hmm
Maybe
look at release notes and see
4.16 was pretty good though
better than 4.15 for sure
(which I just finished updating from to 4.17)
brave horizon
I'm more of 4.10 guy myself
safe rose
And that was more of a pain than I wanted
Well, you can be like Ark and be 4.4
or 4.5
or whatever they are
wary wave
4.17 seems to have... problems
safe rose
I mean, I spent 12 hours debugging/fixing my project trying to get it from 4.15 to 4.17
wary wave
though I had this in 4.16:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AA4b9Ct8Vw
still makes me laugh
..and cry
wary wave
I was just making the array visible / non-visible
safe rose
Hmm, that's not intended behavior?
wary wave
well no
safe rose
I don't work much with splines
wary wave
no data changes
it should be exactly the same
I spent two days trying to work out why the spline geometry wasn't going all the way to the end
safe rose
Did Epic reply?
wary wave
turns out it wasn't my blueprint, it was just plain madness
nah, of course they didn't
cloud cobalt
Here we're dealing with new versions by branching off when a preview hits, fixing the API changes, testing it - and then we rebase the branch regularly. Once it gets released, if we want to update to it, we test the shit out of it and then merge into master
Not upgrading to 4.17 since it's not bringing much
wary wave
4.17 had fixes in the BP compiler
safe rose
I'm just glad I don't have anymore outers missing
plush yew
Please welcome @sand matrix to the community! :beers:
leaden dust
whats composite pipeline
safe rose
@leaden dust look up last week's twitch
It's pretty sweet
super high niche though imho
inner mountain
@warm mountain hey! how did you calculated those expenses?
safe rose
Hmm, what's today topic
pseudo parrot
ice-cream?
warm mountain
@inner mountain I used a variety of websites
pseudo parrot
make it easy on yourself, Minecraft Physics
warm mountain
and recent statements from various indies who broke down their cost
I took a high measure using sites like upwork and elance and artstation
and a low measure using fiverr, freelancer india, nigerian sites
as for VA and MOCAP I looked at individual companies,actors and VAs in their respective sites