Touchy subject imo
#ue4-general
pallid compass
safe rose
Well, makes you wonder what other words aren't filtered...
sand elm
@cloud cobalt Seems so, but honestly - this type of thing should be considered before releasing a feature.
safe rose
I mean, Rape is definitely not appropriate. But you can't ban every single word that some people find offensive.
Only a few select words would get through
fierce tulip
just an fyi, we are allowed to ban everyone talking about rape.
not open for discussion
sand elm
@fierce tulip Ban me then.
cloud cobalt
@sand elm Don't know about that, really. When you first start an online service, I understand that it can be a very low priority, because at first it's harmless. It gets required when you have enough peopke
safe rose
Should definitely be a difference
cloud cobalt
(I'm saying "harmless" for when literally no one has an offensive username)
safe rose
But w/e, don't want to get you guys off your high horse today. So I'll just exit the conversation.
sand elm
@cloud cobalt Agreed on low priority, but moving an entire game over to Epic Launcher usernames is no easy feat, it requires quite a lot of work or re-work as it were. It should have been a consideration.
cloud cobalt
It should probably have, yes ๐
sacred crater
This discussion was made a couple of days ago, I ended the discussion and will do so now too. Whether or not it's commonly appropriate is still not a topic of discussion, and certainly not in general.
We have warned that the word is a potential ban, depending on context, but this discussion ends here and now, if you want to discuss it, then do so in private but it does not belong in slackers, I will kick if the discussion continues.
End
sand elm
Doesn't belong in Slackers. The community for Unreal Engine, so basically - we can talk about anything in engine, but when it comes to a given topic on something related to the platform as a whole, it's banned?
safe rose
Pretty much
sand elm
Whatever, fine - end conversation.
wary wave
it's not the greatest username, but it comes down to there being a limit on how far you can censor language I guess
also goddamnit Discord
safe rose
Lol @wary wave
sacred crater
The engine itself is not a problem, but the discussion was going in direction of the word on itself.
wary wave
it didn't this time, twice it's done it today ๐ฆ
sand elm
@sacred crater To be clear, we're all aware that the topic is censorship and profanity used in usernames for Epic Launcher. We're not discussing rape itself.
safe rose
@wary wave oh boo
wary wave
'Rape' as a word has about 8 different meanings, some more archaic than others
sand elm
Eugh... I already regret starting this. T.T
wary wave
hehe
sacred crater
It can have a 100 meanings, if it's discussed I will end it.
safe rose
@sand elm there's no use. "Community" isn't for the people here. We had this discussion the other day
Other at #server-feedback
sand elm
Go ahead @sacred crater.
cloud cobalt
Pretty sure no one was discussing the meaning of the word. It's a larger issue, like what if someone has a nazi username
safe rose
I am curious though... What other phantom rules there are that we don't know about @maiden swift
keen birch
^
wary wave
eh, if someone has a shitty username it reflects more on them than anything else
sacred crater
@crisp wagon It's probablt best if you post that in #share-your-stream :)
cloud cobalt
@wary wave Sure, but it's also actually illegal in some countries (in that example)
cloud cobalt
It can definitely be illegal, @wary wave . A nazi-promoting username would be illegal in Germany from what I gather
keen birch
^^
sand elm
@wary wave Assuming that ASCII characters aren't blocked either, a swastika symbol can be used in a username.
wary wave
I don't believe it is
keen birch
Nothing in there about language at all
sacred crater
We are not going to list every word that is commonly disrespectful or harmful.
wary wave
unicode characters aren't usually allowed in user names
words aren't in themselves disrespectful or harmful
sacred crater
If our way of handling the discord server doesn't approve with you, we're not forcing you to be here.
safe rose
I mean if you guys are going to make up rules on the fly, that's fine. But at least make it part of the official rules so there's no doubt about it.
keen birch
I repeat, nothing in there about language at all ๐
wary wave
this is important, it's context that makes it so
sand elm
Okay okay.. Jesus.
cloud cobalt
@wary wave I'm also absolutely positive that a username attacking an ethnicity would be illegal in France, where I live
sacred crater
Discord has general rules, aswell.
keen birch
To be fair, I've seen no-one actually take issue with this besides you, Celeste
wary wave
@cloud cobalt - could constitute as hate speech I guess
fierce tulip
< also takes issue
sand elm
Niiaggara. T.T
sacred crater
I am a mod, I will take issue with topics I deem are troublesome. Common uers will not speak up about it, they will simply leave.
keen birch
(I've seen no-one)
safe rose
The thing is... The general run on this server has been in question countless times. I mean, at least take constructive feedback.
crisp wagon
@sacred crater I'm sorry, will do. Thank you
keen birch
And I think it's ridiculous that constructive criticism is just thrown out the window without second thoughts
safe rose
Don't just make it a dictatorship
Well whatever it is when there's more than one dictator
keen birch
Heck, you could even take our statement and add a new rule about language
safe rose
Lol
keen birch
Instead, you're saying we should just leave if it makes us unhappy
safe rose
Definitely not a democracy
sacred crater
I'll talk to pfist about the rules.
keen birch
That's what we burn the average newbie indiedev down for when they do that on Steam
pallid compass
back, imo serious words like that should be filtered out of games
sacred crater
But I can't add them myself
keen birch
It's not just that rule, it's literally just that we're not being acknowledged
safe rose
Actually. Like I stated the other day. The community and @maiden swift need a loving chat with each other
keen birch
All we're getting is "I don't like this, so deal with it or leave"
sacred crater
Because you are also not listening to us
keen birch
Which I, personally, think is a very toxic way to run the place
sacred crater
we told to drop it, it's not being dropped so yes.
safe rose
@keen birch agreed
frank escarp
i find the banning the other way reaaaaaally extreme, should have just kicked him for a few days as "final warning"
sacred crater
I don't want to resort to bans
keen birch
I can see your point about RAPE
tall pendant
using /displaying nazi related names or symbols can be punishable by law in germany. Its ยง 86 Abs. 1 Nr. 1, 2 and 4 StGB of the german law. @wary wave
pallid compass
"Dont use words that can relate to subjects that are seriously irl matters, like sexual assult, racial, religion offensive etc"
keen birch
But you fail to see the point of CONTEXT
sacred crater
I was aware it was about the engine but it was steering towards general
pallid compass
This is such a wide talk to be had, but sometimes its really just a common sense thing
safe rose
@pallid compass lol
frank escarp
to be fair i do think offensive names should be changed
cloud cobalt
For the record, I also believe discussions on the meaning of the word in question are fair game to be banned
safe rose
@frank escarp no one disagrees
pallid compass
I guess its use of context too?
safe rose
That's not even the issue right now..lol
frank escarp
mods do change your name if you have something ridiculous in mmos
pallid compass
^
wary wave
we do on the forums too, but it's not that common
frank escarp
ive seen some people getting their character name in wow changed to some stupid autogenerated name becouse they got GM-d
sand elm
Alright guys, for real. I created the conversation to have a debate about a specific issue, now this is just gone onto mod-hating; There's a #server-feedback, should you wish to discuss rules for Slackers, I would imagine that's the best place to go.
wary wave
'RapeEngine' is a case where we'd probably contact the user and request that they give us something to change it to
cloud cobalt
@sacred crater Is it okay to discuss the handling of offensive usernames - without talking about any specific example that might be of issue ?
sand elm
If anything, let's keep any of this a little more organized...
frank escarp
give him 2 days, change the name directly if not changed
sacred crater
If we see an offensive name, we rename them
frank escarp
he doesnt want to change, ban him
sand elm
@sacred crater That's fine with Discord - We're talking about the Epic Games Launcher.
sacred crater
and if they don't agree then yes we would resort to banning
sacred crater
Stanger asked me
frank escarp
i think we did exactly that a couple times in the ue4 forums
sacred crater
I'm not a forum mod so I can't really reply on that
sand elm
Fair point.
sand elm
xD
pallid compass
lmao
sacred crater
Sorry
pallid compass
Heres a question then guys for you on a similar subject
sacred crater
Stupid keyboard
cloud cobalt
Seriously though I meant Epic and more generally us devs - can we talk here about how we handle the issue in our own game ?
pallid compass
How do you handle names or terms like "DiggerNick" people using play on words or puns
wary wave
I'd just leave that one be
sand elm
@cloud cobalt That's actually a good point, whether or not this is launcher related or specific dev related. It is a topic of interest, how would one manage it.
wary wave
there's only so far you can go policing these things
safe rose
@pallid compass well, yeah. That's just a creative way of getting around the system
But technically acceptable
pallid compass
Do you think they should be made to change it just out of general common sense?
safe rose
But everyone knows it has malicious intent
wary wave
it's an amusing spoonerism rather than malicious
pallid compass
I think they should be made to change it imo
keen birch
*Posted about rules/moderation in #server-feedback as suggested
pallid compass
I mean its kinda funny but, someone is going to get offended
frank escarp
and people like to meme around
frank escarp
DiggerNick
safe rose
@pallid compass dude.. too many people have no sense of humor
frank escarp
this one ive seen variations everywhere
keen birch
(It's the super fine line that got the guy banned about rape)
safe rose
SOMEONE is always going to get offended about stuff
frank escarp
on the other hand rapeengine is definitely past the line
pallid compass
I agree with you there victor, but man its soo hard to compensate for everyone
frank escarp
personally i would just wait till someone gets offended
safe rose
You CAN'T please everyone. Don't even try.
sacred crater
To make it perfectly clear, I will be talking to pfist to get a rule up or see what we can do to make it more clear in that regard.
Discussion about how to deal with it in a game or a platform is permitted, but if the conversation about the topic steers towards to usage of the word on this discord server, that is not up for discussion.
pallid compass
true haha
cloud cobalt
@sacred crater Thanks !
pallid compass
we need off topic room or somethng
frank escarp
in this case, he should change name becouse it is definitely offensive
pallid compass
or debate room haha
safe rose
@sacred crater GGWP
sacred crater
we have off-topic
sacred crater
It's called lounge
pallid compass
could you imaagine #Debate1 #Deabte2
sand elm
I mean, yeah it is kinda funny - but my hope is that to Epic Games, and their player base of their games, one would imagine that they don't want new players coming in to have a good time and then have flashbacks to childhood trauma for a specific word used. Usernames are difficult, the context is what matters - either way, I've found 4 usernames in the last 6 months that I've reported with specific malicious intent - speaking with those users they've gone to be antagonizing and thus I've reported them. They're still playing today.
safe rose
@pallid compass yo.. lol.. are you trolling?
frank escarp
or reporting their forum post
pallid compass
Totally agree with that Alessa as i am someone who can have flash back and it really is not nice
sand elm
In Unreal Tournament you can select a user and report them for abuse.
frank escarp
we can give an infraction if they are posting on the forums
sand elm
My problem is, I've reported them 6 months ago - with or without censorship of usernames, not one employee must have looked into why these users were reported, looked at chat logs etc.
wary wave
we don't give infractions for usernames, we get a staff member to ask them what they would like their name to be changed to instead
frank escarp
wait, we dont? i think we had that discussion on the private forum
pallid compass
Isent it an auto system to push to real employees? they require X amount of triggers
frank escarp
i must be mistaken then
safe rose
Hmm
wary wave
most users are happy to comply if their name doesn't meet our requirements - and to be fair to them, the account system allowed them to create it
pallid compass
For example, in League of legends, a friend of mine is number 1 torb eu, and he only plays torb, he gets banned ALL the time because of auto ban system from mass reports.
wait not league omg
OVerwatch
safe rose
The real issue.. Epic relies too much on the community
sand elm
@frank escarp Maybe for you then, I'm unsure honestly - Those that I've reported for either serious abuse in game chat, or their usernames - mostly both. Are still going around and doing it.
safe rose
They aren't taking responsibility themselves
frank escarp
thats not my domain as a forum mod, i would definitely look at it
sand elm
@wary wave - my point exactly. The system in place allows it to be created,
worthy ether
@pallid compass the system works! ๐
safe rose
You can see it all over the company as a whole
pallid compass
haha hes really sound guy, super unfair how the system auto bans him though, he has too get bliz employees to unban him
safe rose
They need more dedicated support
frank escarp
@pallid compass that bullshit lol
safe rose
They don't have the proper infrastructure
frank escarp
in dota that doesnt happen
sand elm
@safe rose Let's keep on-topic. If this is to be a healthy debate, extending the topic to company level is not the way to go.
frank escarp
and you can find people that only play 1 thing
pallid compass
Im serious man
wary wave
@sand elm the system is full of oversights like that, it's usually pretty difficult (and once again context is also an issue)
worthy ether
@frank escarp can confirm. almost 800 games of pudge and zero bans
frank escarp
but league has banned PROS becouse they were doing "non meta" things
safe rose
@sand elm it is on topic though
sand elm
@wary wave for sure.
safe rose
The reason this stuff gets away so long is because of lack of manpower
pallid compass
Dude u can see it on youtube
The guy who is n1 torb in the eu, Records EVERY game man
and i mean
EVERYGAME
there all on youtube its insane
theres like 700+ videos
frank escarp
what the fuck lol
pallid compass
il find it one 1 sec let me login to bliz its insane
worthy ether
@pallid compass does he play quickplay or competitive?
pallid compass
Competitive
safe rose
Hmm, guess we're derailed anyway
pallid compass
Hes number 1 torb in eu competitive
worthy ether
oh damn, so he probably gets reported every game then
pallid compass
He only plays
torb
so he gets mass reports, even if he wins and the system autobans him, and then he has to contact blizzard support
tall pendant
are we in lounge or in general?
pallid compass
Yeah aparently there is nothing bliz support can do too stop the auto banning
trying to find him i cant remember his user, just booting up overwatch but its patching ๐
tall pendant
last time i checked topic was "Ask Unreal dev questions โข General Unreal discussion" here.
wary wave
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
pallid compass
welcome to general m8
wary wave
frank escarp
lounge 2.0
pallid compass
well no one else was talking about much anything ๐
worthy ether
what unreal related things is everyone working on?
sand elm
This is the first time I've seen general active in a while... :p
Working on getting my Stylistic Water Shader ready for release. :3
frank escarp
going through the sony Tech Requirement Checklist
to see what i do and i dont do
for ps4
sand elm
lol
pallid compass
fuck brb getting whipped by gf, let her suitcase in car
left*
-sound of whip lashing-
sand elm
go go go.
worthy ether
@sand elm is it just a hobby thing, or for a game? marketplace?
sand elm
Gumroad, ๐
safe rose
@sand elm make that money
pallid compass
back
dam the sounds of Jan's whip cracks hard
Tell me more about water shader tho ;o
i love hearing about other peoples work
sand elm
@safe rose hellz yea ^_^
ashen brook
@pallid compass you seem to have a thing about whips ๐
safe rose
I need to get on this MP business one day
pallid compass
omg ^
ashen brook
@safe rose go ahead, tell me what to do again polishes kick-hammer
sand elm
@worthy ether https://gumroad.com/products/fCfyd (know this is meant to be in marketplace, but context permitted hopefully?)
safe rose
Shoot... If I were afraid...
pallid compass
pls have mercy god, hes only young
pallid compass
when u want too study more of the a bility system plugin but your gf wants attention
no
pale remnant
http://prntscr.com/fy4o76 Someone rate my landscape that I'm working on
All exploreable
worthy ether
@sand elm that looks lovely! wanna dip my feet right in
sand elm
Thank you ^_^
humble rivet
How do I get my collision box along my spline without having 30+ Collision boxes in my component tab?
ashen brook
@pale remnant I rate it... untextured! ๐ Looks nice though. World Machine?
tender dome
what is UE4Jam?
ashen brook
@tender dome a quarterly gamejam organized by the Unreal Engine team
pale remnant
ye lmao I need to add colour
ashen brook
gamejams are short events where you're given a theme and have to create a game fitting the theme in a weekend or a week
they're awesome and you should take part!
fossil ore
Well... That's for lighting purposes
spice urchin
you know that line below it where it says "DisableAllScreenMessages"
tender dome
1025!!๐ซ
spice urchin
just hit console and type that
sand elm
@pale remnant lower the Landscape lightmap resolution :3
fossil ore
Doea anyone know a good tutorial for creating paint able materials?
sand elm
@fossil ore Vertex painting? ๐
fossil ore
Like, you have a model that is made out of 4 tints (colorable parts), does anyone know how to setup a material for that?
fierce tulip
@fossil ore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS_y7Dui_1Y
fossil ore
Ummm... That is for ponds
pale remnant
just create a material
fossil ore
Im talking about tint maps
fierce tulip
no, thats also for that
pale remnant
Do you have all the colours there
sand elm
@fossil ore doesn't matter the material, depends on what you plug into it ๐ :3
safe rose
@tender dome UE4jam ... The best of the best in UE4 jams
tender dome
@ashen brook is it like game showcase or create game in 48 hr.
pale remnant
If only I was a millionaire and could buy all the materials and houses in unreal marketplace
sand elm
Vertex Coloring allows up to 4 channels, which theoretically means 4 different materials you can paint through, there are ways of modifying it to paint more though @fierce tulip does crazy things with Vertex Painting, or has done in the past :p โค
safe rose
@tender dome create game in 5 days
fossil ore
I thought vertex coloring is just for creating ponds :v
fierce tulip
@sand elm and fighting max + ue4 over it.
pale remnant
Isn't gta 5 made on the unreal engine?
fossil ore
No
fierce tulip
vertex painting can be used for almost everything
sand elm
@fossil ore Nope, can be used to paint between any material you'd like. You can even do crazy mask things, like painting sand on stone, and having the sand come up in the crevaces before coming over the stone. :3
ashen brook
@tender dome yeah, kinda like the "create in 48h" event, but with a bit more time ๐
sand elm
@fierce tulip Fighting the 'good' 3Ds Max fight? :p
pale remnant
fierce tulip
you've seen my rant on fb about it :p
pale remnant
They have there on game engine
tender dome
thanx @safe rose and @ashen brook, its awesome, but i am a noob
spice urchin
@fossil ore no no no, Vertex Painting is used for a ton of stuff. you can do vertex painting inside the engine AND you can do it in 3d packages, and you can preview just the vertex paint colors inside your static mesh viewer. open up static mesh viewer and click the Vertex Colors thing on top. It's great for foliage
ashen brook
@tender dome that's perfect, gamejams are the best way to learn ๐
pale remnant
Should have used unreal
spice urchin
if you use Wind on some foliage, you can mask out wind intensity at the roots of the grass etc
via vertex color
pale remnant
which game engine is the easiest to make a game on
tender dome
@ashen brook also without any team!!
fierce tulip
walks away
spice urchin
hahahaha
tender dome
XD
pale remnant
lol
sand elm
@pale remnant Or they could have developed it on their own custom engine, and have their programmers create any featureset they needed for their workflow to create their game. RAGE (Rockstar's engine) was already in development years before, modifying what they already had was the best for them. :3
tall pendant
if only vertex colors would be picked up by lightmass (for tinting) just like that.
sand elm
I find myself becoming less and less of an Unreal Engine Evangelist as time goes on.... xD :p I often find good examples as to why developers should be using a custom engine, or an existing one that's better for their artists pipeline and to improve on that.
ashen brook
@tall pendant they can be, if you put them in the material
spice urchin
@sand elm i've done a fiew things with water and depth fields, did you happen to find a way to increase/decrease the depth field radius of objects?
sand elm
@spice urchin Dot product between depth field and Object Radius? :3
spice urchin
the last deal i did with it was to distort the normals of water so things would flow around, but radius was rather over-large
ooh ok i'll try that
thanks!
sand elm
@spice urchin I'd use Flow Maps for that ๐
spice urchin
well my project has like 10k long rivers and lots of them
sand elm
Also, my shader uses Distance Fields not Depth fade ๐
spice urchin
i would use flow maps if things were a bit more set in stone and smaller
ashen brook
why not both? ๐
sand elm
@ashen brook already doing it, part of the finalizing today ๐ Doing an alternate to be released with the tool.
spice urchin
yes i normally use just depth fade, i haven't had results with distance fields that i could use YET, but i know it's a solid route
ashen brook
did you see the martian environment someone posted recently? It had an awesome depth-fade pool
sand elm
@spice urchin Keep in mind Distance Fields is Direct X only, and currently has some issues with VR.
spice urchin
depth fade can be great but the annoying thing i've experienced with it is how it changes based on camera angles
sand elm
Just some caveats, that's why I'm working on the alternate shader to be released too.
safe rose
More people need to create VR shaders
sand elm
@ashen brook Oooooooohh, perrrrdy :3
@safe rose Not much, if at all, difference between a normal and VR shader. The engine is just catching up with making certain features compatible.
spice urchin
i like a lot of the technical functionality of the shader you have Alessa. honestly if i were to critique it, i'd say i want the color/texturing to be more stylized or less stylized. it's kinda in between cartoony and real due to the specular shine and translucency
i think you could probably make an awesome fully realistic variant or with very little work make it more cartoony
tender dome
@ashen brook are jams annual or it also happens in december
spice urchin
i'd love to see what you could do with that tech on the fully realistic end of spectrum tbh
sand elm
@spice urchin Control is already there, sorry I don't have a screenshot of it. The shader supports planar + SSR reflections, depth fade, world displacement and you can effectively turn off the stylization and just use it like a standard water shader. It's intent is stylistic, but there's full control over almost everything ๐
spice urchin
that's good
sand elm
I will admit though, it's far from a realistic water shader. I'll add that on my list of things to sell on Gumroad ^_^
Oh supports refraction natively too, there's also a simplified version of the material for LODs ^_^
pale remnant
Anyone know alot about procedural foliage tool?
spice urchin
nice
@pale remnant yes i've used the volume based one, the grass node foliage, and i've painted on Foliage Types with specific layers isolated
spice urchin
the procedural foliage tool with the volumes is neat, but i suggest keeping the volumes like football-sized or smaller
otherwise the simulation updates will slow things to a crawl
i really don't care for that method tbh
i prefer throwing down all small grass via grass material node, and painting in trees and larger stuff with large brushes and very precise FT settings
then using the "Reapply settings to instance" brush when you want to correct things
sand elm
Thank god for Discord's mark server as read.
Holy damn there was so much from this one sever alone. xD
spice urchin
yes no one likes scrolling
sand elm
Having every channel highlighted annoyed the hell out of me xD
pale remnant
So like put aload of mini spawners around my map?
ashen brook
@tender dome the UE4 jams happen every 3 months, the next one is in September if I'm not mistaken
tender dome
@ashen brook thanx
ashen brook
np
safe rose
Hopefully my recommendations get a good look over
ashen brook
starting a fulltime studio job in August so... we'll see
spice urchin
@pale remnant yes that's one way of doing it. i suggest using Foliage Paint tool though, there's really no map situation i've found where the procedural foliage tool speeds things up.
tender dome
@ashen brook is it allowed to delete my message
ashen brook
@tender dome if you're asking about Discord, we don't have any rules about deleting your own messages, so go ahead
pale remnant
Awh I think procedural foliage is really only good if you want something like a dense forrest
tender dome
๐
pale remnant
But my other map is like 5k. It'll take me ages
spice urchin
@pale remnant if you had like 20 highly detailed meshes with very complex rules for how you'd want them to orient themselves in relation to one another, like ferns next to trees but not in trees or something....maybe procedural foliage tool would be ok. but you'd spend a lot of time setting it up
pale remnant
I know. Doesn't rust use the same trees?
spice urchin
you can just as easily specify which layers of the terrain certain FT objects can NOT paint on, which speeds things up a lot
plush yew
Please welcome @lament barn to the community! :beers:
pale remnant
yeah rust has literally the same exact trees
spice urchin
@pale remnant i think you'd have to be at the asset variety and detail level of Alirezza to possibly utilize procedural foliage, which is an unrealistic standard for me to assume
and i'm skeptical that he uses it
plush yew
what workload/component i should install with VS C++ 2017 ?
pale remnant
See I want to make a game lik, They procedurally generate most stuff. If only I could get my hands on there code
It would make life so much easier
lament barn
I'm new to UE4 and I need help with Camera Rotation around a Rolling Cube character using Q and E
pale remnant
use a swivel
lament barn
I really don't know where to begin at all.
pale remnant
same
spice urchin
@pale remnant well start tinkering and see what workflows you like
lament barn
xD
spice urchin
you'll get strong opinions on the subject rather quickly
pale remnant
Screw it. I'm just gonna put so many trees into my world that players will spawn and not be able to move
unless they chop em down
I'll sell the game for ยฃ50 with a no refund policy
spice urchin
you do know how to set density when painting foliage right?
lament barn
Good luck...Reviews will chop your Game down faster than those trees
pale remnant
Yeah
I mean to get the best looking game I want would require me to place trees individually but I ain't about that life
pale remnant
Do you think it would look weird if I had like a medieval openworld game like rust which also has citys and cars and stuff?
lament barn
doesn't sound like it.
pale remnant
Anyone ever used voxel farm?
Look how good the graphics on that are
Would prob crash your pc but worth it
past bloom
Does anyone know why it does this ? Why the character isn't stopped by the cube but it is stopped by the wall ?
pale remnant
collisin
pale remnant
You need to put blockall
glossy flame
If the object itself doesn't have collision though setting its channel responses won't do anything :p
past bloom
Hum I tried ticking every option, but I really don't know where is the collision thing
pale remnant
If you click on the object on the right hand side you should be able to add it
past bloom
Yeah, I tries this, let me try again
glossy flame
What is the mesh you're using for the cube?
past bloom
I tried, I think I know where the problem is, but it creates another problem xD
Let me explain
pale remnant
does it work
past bloom
Nope
I'm creating a 3 lane runner. I made the blueprint class of the character there's a lane number (0,1,2) and it sets the Y position of the player by looking at the lane number. I used the node "Set Local Offset" but I think that is the problem
Oh no, the node
The node name is "Set Relative Location"
On the other screenshot I put the Z coordinate to -90 to make the actor appear on the floor
pale remnant
Can someone else help. When it comes down to blueprint and code and stuff I know nothing
plush yew
Please welcome @wispy silo to the community! :beers:
wispy silo
Hi All
lament barn
Hello @wispy silo
past bloom
https://feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-land/suggestions/20213848--noone Please upvote this idea ๐
terse zealot
@past bloom I would imagine your strategey should work with the set location blueprint nodes
past bloom
I'll try
@terse zealot Ah, it wouldn't work, 'cause the character is constantly moving, it must be a relative location
worthy ether
@pale remnant what are you trying to do? ado you have any experience coding? are you new to ue4/gamedev?
past bloom
Hum, I use "SetRelativeLocation" maybe I should use "Set Actor Relative Location
terse zealot
yeah, try Actor Relative.
past bloom
Huh, it does something... Weird
Hum, how to explain ? Well the actor slowly moves to the left without any reason o.o
See ? It's still on lane 1 (the middle one) but he's moving to the left
broken sonnet
@past bloom perhaps sounds silly, but is your gamepad connected. perhaps it moves the player?
past bloom
@broken sonnet It's a full touchscreen game ^^
Okay, got some news, it's only when I use some set relative location on the capsule component of the actor that it does this weird thing
next badger
Nailed It
pale remnant
what happens if your like say 5 years into developing a tripple a game for ps4 and then say the ps5 comes out. Is it easy to port it to a newer console?
next badger
@pale remnant no...
pale remnant
so you would basically have to start from scratch?
next badger
@pale remnant that's why you probably should stick to generic engines, like UE4, they would support it and project could be ported
pale remnant
awh I see
next badger
@pale remnant game is not just a code, you would still have everything made, except the code...
pale remnant
if only I could get my hands on one of those xbox one scorpio dev kits
plush yew
Please welcome @raven bough to the community! :beers:
sacred crater
This is perfect.
https://media.giphy.com/media/11ZSwQNWba4YF2/giphy.gif
next badger
@sacred crater pwahahahaha
pallid compass
Omg amazing
raven bough
Favorite thing I've seen all day lolol
thorn topaz
is there a way to get the components of a vector in local space?
past bloom
"Uh, yeah, thanks for proposing Unreal Engine"
next badger
@thorn topaz Transform Location i think
thorn topaz
ok i'll try that
thorn topaz
i tried that earlier but i tink i used the wrong transform
yea that's not working
basically i have movement from an in game joy stick. it works pefectly fine when facing the x direction but once you rotate in your z direction, it's messed up because of the rotation so i need to get it so i can just read the x and y values
next badger
thorn topaz
I don't see how that would help
next badger
@thorn topaz also, you could ask on #blueprint or #cpp respectively
@thorn topaz well, it shows how to set up math for the controls
thorn topaz
yea but not for the style that i'm using
scenic chasm
Grats @safe rose !
safe rose
Thanks! @scenic chasm
scenic chasm
I know, its delayed...but just got back from lunch.
safe rose
Food is more important anyway
scenic chasm
quite true.
next badger
Any thoughts...?
1) there's acceleration variable could be from 0+ to say 10
2) i need to be able turn it off, so speed could be changed from 0 to max instantly
3) how to make it better, when it's 0 - it's disabled, or when it's 10 - it's disabled?
4) why?
So basically, you just have a variable which you add to your speed
And you want to be able to override it
And you're wondering if it's better with 0 as max or with 10 as max?
Last, whichever feels right. I'd say, personally, 0 as min, 10 as max
That just makes sense
Second, just call another "Set Variable" on your speed variable, without touching the acceleration
craggy nymph
Just finished writing my second article. This one might be helpful for anyone using the material editor. Feedback is welcome ๐ https://twitter.com/RewindGravity/status/888128360030720001
spice urchin
neat checking it out
craggy nymph
Thanks ๐
safe rose
Love seeing gifs
spice urchin
@craggy nymph pretty brilliant, a lot of it is stuff i know, but i am bookmarking so i can just share this with others
rather than having to explain these things
like #5 and #6 are super important
not only is it great for people to use Material Instances for preview purposes, but it helps move people towards a focus on "Master Materials"
which is way better for performance and for future workflows as you can make a change to one singular thing and have it affect hundreds
i think that you could create a #7 just based on an expanded explanation of the purposes and value of Master Materials
one thing i'm not sure everyone knows is you can make one master material do more than one type of material, you can use the overrides on a Material Instance to set it as Opaque, Translucent, Additive, Double sided etc so one material could theoretically do EVERY job
craggy nymph
Hmm, yeah, maybe. I tried to focus more on efficiency inside the material editor, not overall workflow efficiency. Maybe I'll add #7 later, maybe I'll keep that for another future article, not sure yet.
spice urchin
we had issue with this causing confusion at a studio i worked at when we got introduced to Unreal 3 for first time, which had similar Master shader possibilities
people were just making brand new materials left and right
and not using the Master Shader
you can use a few if you want, but it really took a lot of people by surprise to learn that they weren't supposed to go fully custom for every material
gaunt arch
anyone know how to make a particle ALWAYS display? I'm getting it displaying only intermittently for a huge particle, even when it has a huge bounding box
- also set to critical as well
the bounding box is also manually set
spice urchin
if it's set to a GPU particle they tend to disappear if you face away from particle source, is that the issue?
next badger
@V_Rex#8437 in your case, what acceleration value equal to infinity? 0 or 10?
gaunt arch
@spice urchin I've tried as a regular particle and a GPU particle, same issue everytime
spice urchin
well just to isolate variables, i'd disable GPU particles for the moment
gaunt arch
its a single large particle that shoots into the sky using velocity, bounds manually set and priority set to crticial
not sure what im missing
gaunt arch
nah its one single particle haha
spice urchin
so shouldn't be a problem
gaunt arch
its very random honestly when it does not appear
spice urchin
does it disappear while camera is stationary?
gaunt arch
sometimes
you see it once, itll fire again and wont see it, fire again and you will
adjust camera angles seems to help, if you look into the sky you pretty much always see it
(as it shoots into the sky)
spice urchin
could you try this - duplicate the emitter system, replace it with a Mesh Particle and throw on a mesh of whatever type you want
and see if it is also disappearing
then we can sort out if particle is actually vanishing or it's just not rendering
since particle sprite rendering is vastly different from meshes
gaunt arch
let me try that
spice urchin
gotta narrow this down, there's a lot of potential variables still
gaunt arch
well the mesh disappears as well
spice urchin
excellent!
that's actually really good news
i don't like render issues
are there any Vector Uniform bits in there?
like Vector Uniform Life?
because if something is set to live from 0-5 obviously that means it's just going to randomly die early
next badger
what is SCS ?
New: Added view mode menu to SCS Editor Viewport.
removing a corrupted SCS node
floral pagoda
I do not know
brisk osprey
Any1 by any chance know this crash report ? LoginId:6e86ca164a60c8be8a653ab4457e6199
EpicAccountId:ca09702ed4ee4127913e55b574f93f57
You do not have any debugging symbols required to display the callstack for this crash.
Everytime i try to render a sequence it crashes
glossy flame
If you need to know the cause of the crash, you need to download the debugging symbols like it says
They're in your launcher under the options for the engine version
brisk osprey
Oh ive see i just thought it was symbols like icons for the engine or something.
plush yew
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
brisk osprey
Yep i have no more space ๐ฆ Rip
weary basalt
Hes very lazy though.
worn granite
He's passed out at the end of the bar, when people enter he grunts and weakly lifts his mug in the air.
plush yew
Please welcome @smoky blaze to the community! :beers:
weary basalt
And he gives them really weird unconventional names
maiden swift
!8ball Are you drunk?
plush yew
:8ball: My reply is no.
worn granite
"Hu??? naimnudruuunk"
plush yew
Please welcome @willow valve to the community! :beers:
fierce tulip
@craggy nymph id suggest to add a small section on the debug function, and preview to see what the nodes do before hooking em up
also, added it to luosarts ๐
Also, im allowed to mention I am doing the vfx for http://exilesofembermark.com/
craggy nymph
Cool thanks. But how are the debug functions helping wth efficiency? That's more of a tool to find out what's going when you don't know what's going on.
next badger
@fierce tulip only mention? not show?
fierce tulip
debugtimesine is a great one for testing static values or a temp replacement for parameters that need to change over time. (especially handy for vfx)
and sometimes you just need to know the values, and its better to see em than to do math
@next badger http://68.media.tumblr.com/523439511bcaea0697db3f24764b4fc4/tumblr_inline_otctzfaIKK1tb0otx_1280.gif only effect they made public.
craggy nymph
Exiles of Embermark looks like a very nice game. I really like the art style. The Dwarves are really nice, love Dwarves.
fierce tulip
its both my first mobile and rpg, love rpg, love the mobile challenge.
"can I..?"
no
"hmm can I?"
no
hehe
past bloom
Has anyone had this glitch where right click doesn't move the event graph but select things ?
next badger
what is event graph?
hexed viper
Hi guys. I was wondering if there's a way to resize the first person actor. Like if there was a way to make him bigger? ๐
next badger
oh...the bp...
@hexed viper open a bp and scale it there...you may face weird collision issue tho...
past bloom
@next badger The blueprint class thing
See, I'm just right clicking where my mouse is
next badger
@past bloom tried relaunch?
past bloom
It's breaking my nuts, as you would say it in the tongue of my people, trying it right now
It's an annoying solution but it works, thanks
plush yew
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
hey
any active ue4 here?
oh there is
pallid compass
Can you spawn particles inside the local space of something?
so say u have an explosion on a moving plane
the emitter stays on the plane while it moves
oh nvm theres an attached option omg
pale remnant
@pallid compass I sat down today and watched some unreal tutorials and now I can crouch lmao
pale remnant
Yeah opened a new project
pallid compass
Good too see you getting along
Keep it fresh, practice things before you try and impliment them
digital anchor
how can i stop my character creating cameras everytime they spawn
gaunt arch
@spice urchin not sure if you're there - i have a Lifetime module where its set to a constant 6. I dont think this means it'll die early?
(had to run out, sorry about that, I really appreciate the help)
plush yew
Please welcome @unreal plover to the community! :beers:
gaunt arch
it does seem to be randomly only lasting like 0 seconds sometimes
unreal plover
Anybody knows what file AnimBPs are stored? I added some variable to my custom AnimBP and made it crash everytime I open it.
Hoping to undo it somewhere else since I can't open it again in UE4 editor without crashing.
UPDATE: got it to open without crashing by duplicating it and opening the duplicated one
plush yew
Please welcome @neat trellis to the community! :beers:
neat trellis
I added this line "CollisionComponent = CreateDefaultSubobject<USphereComponent>(TEXT("SphereComponent"));" CreateDefaultSuboject is red line
dull drum
Hey anyone know the best way to work as a team in UE4? like VSN or github desktop or something? been trying for 3 days now lol
glossy flame
@neat trellis 90% chance that's just Intellisense acting up
If it's a compile error, let us know ๐
glossy flame
Okay, well that changes things, haha
neat trellis
but I am doing projectile fps guide on wiki
glossy flame
What is the error?
neat trellis
I think I need to add the header file for ProjectileMovementComponent
glossy flame
You need to forward declare it or do that most likely, yes
glossy flame
It's on the doc page
neat trellis
I found it its child of Umovement compoent right
I got sphere all fixed up , now its just projectilemovement compoent
digital anchor
asking again as my question went too up
how can i stop my character creating cameras everytime they spawn(editado)
pallid compass
by deleting the camera
digital anchor
there is no camera
pallid compass
u cant not have a camera really
then u would have no display
what u trying to do
digital anchor
i made a custom camera with a custom script
pallid compass
set your camera to that then
digital anchor
it works, but still spawn one camera for each player
digital anchor
just though it might use resources
pallid compass
or you need too set there camera
too that one
U want 1 of your special camera's
for each player right?
digital anchor
no they all use the same
pallid compass
okay
digital anchor
they are always visible
pallid compass
What id advise you did
as im no camera expert
create a bp
and in the bp bp
for each level
each player*
attach component of that special camera too it
and have them all linked up too there camera's
tldr have 1 of each camera for them all in the same place
ez
if you get me
they all need to own there own camera anyway
otherwise ur gonna run in too issues
sorry i gotta bail but ask in blueprint channel!
digital anchor
sure
Halcyon - Hoje ร s 21:23
gotcha
it sounds like
PlayerController issue
went to look
theres a camera manager
on playercontroller
pallid compass
There is
digital anchor
gonna try to mess with it
digital anchor
ok xd
pallid compass
Needs there own camera instance
Have a master camera BP
that spawns 1 camera for every player
and sets there camera too that special one
and have all instances attached too the root of that Master Camera BP
and when u want too move the camera, just move the bp, and all camera's will stay same Position and rotation
night!
neat trellis
ProjectileMovementComponent for movement?
plush yew
Please welcome @next ivy to the community! :beers:
next ivy
Bot is nice.
Noob question: What exactly is included in feature packs and templates? Are these things like the movement blueprint components?
worn granite
They're sort of like the start to a project
next ivy
So the third person template that I used in the tutorial I watched?
worn granite
They won't have any kind of large system that you can't get elsewhere, but they give a decent base to start from (especially) if you're new
What about the third person template?
next ivy
If I don't include the feature packs and templates can I not start out with a game that has a character I can move around in 3D from the get-go?
worn granite
Well without them technically opening the editor and pressing start will do nothing- you might be able to fly around but it won't really be anything like what you want.
However, to go from that to the third person starter pack is about 5 minutes of work
I'm pretty sure
next ivy
Hm, I had assumed it would be a lot more than that. I'm just trying to make sure I don't include remnants that when I get the hang of UE4 I will get tired of seeing
Like templates I'll never use
worn granite
It adds input binds (but not the system) and a character class with a camera, and some animations I think maybe
Unless I'm wildly mis-remembering
but the character class is just part of the engine
next ivy
I did have one more noob question because it's impossible to google - when it says iOS is it talking about mobile iOS or desktop iOS?
Oh and thanks for the help xD
next ivy
Ah! I can't believe I mixed that up, not much of an apple guy. Thanks
It's surprising to me looking at an engine and seeing how easy it would be to enable development for Linux, OSX, and Windows and how few game developers wan't to deal with it.
worn granite
Just getting the game to technically compile and open on a platform is not the end of the story- even with UE4.
Definitely a huge help though
next ivy
I guess there's also the fact that they'd be responsible for bugfixing on platforms they don't get a lot of sales on
Still, I would think Mac/Linux people would DW your game just because it's one of the few games they can play
Starter Content can have a space in it but folders I name cannot?
upper heart
My foliage somehow lost it's parent (the mesh it was painted to) and I have no way of connecting it back to that mesh since none of that is exposed. Ugh foliage. Anyone have any ideas?
polar hawk
Just bought a rat taser
Rat has been eating shit under my couch for two days
#OfficeLife
upper heart
There is like nothing exposed for foliage. Can't connect exiting foliage to new meshes. Frustrating ๐
rat taser that sounds very disturbing
polar hawk
#1 rated amazon rat trap, instructions are in pseudo english
upper heart
you literally hold it?
polar hawk
Nah its a box that if they walk into it it shocks them dead
polar hawk
Its got about 100 high voltage warnings
upper heart
lol
upper heart
does anyone know what variable is the parent mesh (the mesh it's painted on) of a foliage instanced mesh?
vestal cloak
I have an fbx exported from blender(3 objects) all 3 of the objects need to be one, yet When i import into ue4 it splits them. How can i keep them one object??
plush yew
Please welcome @pallid solstice to the community! :beers:
pallid solstice
๐ฆ๐บ ๐ฆ๐บ cheers for the beers
vestal cloak
ok thanks!
upper heart
np
plush yew
Please welcome @limpid cove to the community! :beers:
next ivy
Is there something wrong with the default character FBX files? I just loaded them in my editor and the left arm is out of the socket during many of the animations. https://wiki.unrealengine.com/File:ThirdPerson_FBX.zip
cursive dirge
Epic Launcher welcome me back, like I was missing for a long time...
plush yew
Please welcome @worldly osprey to the community! :beers:
bright needle
I'm trying to create a reference to a text renderer inside an actor blueprint, but it wont let me.. any ideas?
someone @ me if they can help
safe rose
@bright needle you gotta get @vestal zenithHelperSquad
Ah, that fail because someone has that name
safe rose
Anyway
Text Render inside an Actor BP
What's the problem exactly?
Where are you trying to get it from?
You gotta be a bit more descriptive
And showing current BP logic would be sweet
@bright needle Also, if you can't take a joke...
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
bright needle
Yea np one sec
So this is my BP:
https://gyazo.com/b18d47502bcf12cdd1e8c8d0dde7c813
It wont let me grab the text render to set the text
thats inside of my ball BP which is an Actor
bright needle
"Trigger reference is not compatible"
safe rose
what?
plush yew
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
safe rose
left side bud
cursive dirge
@bright needle that's not what he asked
safe rose
I need to see your components
bright needle
ah shite ok 1 sec
safe rose
Pretty sure all you need to do is grab the TextRender component and drag it out and hook it up
cursive dirge
anyway, you see that second row text in your "Set Text" -node? it says what kind of target it expects, it's Text Render Component at this case, so you that's what you have to feed to it. If you need some conversion in progress, then that can be helpful
if you have something else, just drag a wire from it and see if you can call set text from it directly, or get text render component from it
but usually UE4 can do most of the trivial conversions for you
also, if you ask help here, it's not really polite to start a game at the same time :p
bright needle
cursive dirge
there's no text component there?
safe rose
lol
cursive dirge
what exactly doesn't work with your thing?
bright needle
its inside the ball
cursive dirge
what?
safe rose
This actor isn't the ball?
cursive dirge
ok
bright needle
my fault for starting game, i did it after i asked thinking itd take a bit for someone to respond
safe rose
Is this the ball or not?
bright needle
youre looking at the ball BP
safe rose
so where is the text render?
worn granite
its a classic cast problem
he has a ref to something that has the text render
casting it to a parent class, most likely
bright needle
what do u mean by that @safe rose
cursive dirge
@worn granite but he doesn't have a single ref in that blueprint
worn granite
ye he does
cursive dirge
where?
safe rose
Nah
safe rose
Where the heck is the text render at
He said it's in the ball
And this is the Ball actor
safe rose
lol
safe rose
I just want to know where the hell the Text Render Comp is at
worn granite
Hey I missed the ball part
worn granite
You can't sit here and tell me nobody in this server needed to be told to cast to the right type
Anyway,
warm mountain
hey guys is it expensive on the processor
cursive dirge
what is ?
warm mountain
if I bring out the details of an object using tesselation?
instead of a normal map?
bright needle
so some context:
Im creating a pong game to learn, as u can tell im still very new.
Im trying to make the ball collide with a trigger box, then it will set the text renderer to a number which is the score\
cursive dirge
@warm mountain depends, it's more like GPU heavy thign though
cursive dirge
that's what displacement is for
warm mountain
just been looking at the wire frame of it
cursive dirge
you use displacement in combination with tesselation
you can tesselate even without doing the deformation part
warm mountain
I figured maybe it might be better for me to just model the indivudual bricks and use a normal mao
i see
debating what might be better, pushing the bricks of the wall slightly out with small details solved by normals
or trying out tess
worn granite
@bright needle Is the text just part of the level?
cursive dirge
well, you wouldn't use tesselation for brick walls usually, bump offset or POM are better suited for that, and if basic normal map is enough, then that's way cheaper
bright needle
yes
warm mountain
i see
cursive dirge
you can use tesselation but IMO it doesn't really pay off on use case like that
worn granite
Ok, do you know what the level blueprint is?
warm mountain
what uses does tesselation have?
cursive dirge
you can use tesselation but IMO it doesn't really pay off on use case like that
worn granite
Eh... moving to #blueprint
cursive dirge
you can use tesselation but IMO it doesn't really pay off on use case like that
@worn granite it's something that epic should have removed long time ago
warm mountain
figures
cursive dirge
level BP makes you put code in map, which is bad on itself already but it also usually means you have duplicate code on all your levels, doing similar things
worn granite
Eh
I'd rather have the LevelBP than not have it
Because although its really easy to fall into that trap its really nice to be able to do level specific things without having to make an actor to hold it
Or having a lot of special cases
BP in general lets you do things you shouldn't IMO
And for what you can do in it, they limit some weird things
plush yew
Please welcome @bold fox to the community! :beers:
next ivy
I'm trying to set up a 3rd person game from scratch by following a tutorial and when I hit play nothing happens. I do not go to the game start nor do I take control of a character. What did I do wrong?
Or what should I Look at
I also have a lot of yellow text on my map reference viewer
fossil ore
I have no clue why is this keeps happening.
Made a new level completely dark, placed a single light bulb, white material isn't really white... and player spawn has a bad size?
It gets worse when I try to "play" this map
safe rose
man, you guys are all popping out of the woodwork tonight
@next ivy Which tutorial buddy?
@fossil ore What exactly is happening?
worn granite
@fossil ore move the player start out into the middle of the room
BadSize should just be changed
It really just means that the spawn is obstructed by the wall or floor or something
fossil ore
That is the least of my problems
safe rose
Is that what he's talking about?
Yeah I didn't think so
Anyway, what's your problem @fossil ore
fossil ore
The white material I created isn't very white comparing to Dummy
fossil ore
???
safe rose
worn granite
and player spawn has a bad size
safe rose
just google some stuff
basically, the colors are a bit different when placed in editor
Also lighting
@next ivy Alright, your turn
Gamemode?
wait
this is a huge list wtf
@next ivy Anyway, make sure in your project settings
you've changed to the new gamemode you probably created somewhere
And make sure inside that new gamemode
You've changed to the player pawn
safe rose
@fossil ore Que Pasa?
fossil ore
I'm probably doing this wrong.
safe rose
Doing what?
fossil ore
I'm trying to figure out a way to create a room with lighting.
The selected wall is another mesh that stops the shadow/light.
The rest is a one big mesh
safe rose
what seam?
I mean, this is white boxing stage
If you're serious about creating a seamless enviornment, try a real DCC
fossil ore
DCC?
safe rose
Maya, 3ds Max, MODO, Blender
fossil ore
That will most likely work, thought Unreal do it with its own tools
buoyant echo
Can anyone explain to me what I'm doing wrong here?
void AAvatar::SetupPlayerInputComponent(UInputComponent* PlayerInputComponent)
{
Super::SetupPlayerInputComponent(PlayerInputComponent);
check(PlayerInputComponent);
PlayerInputComponent->BindAxis("Forward", this, &AAvatar::MoveForward);
PlayerInputComponent->BindAxis("Strafe", this, &AAvatar::MoveRight);
}```@buoyant echo probably *this
buoyant echo
How is that wrong?
safe rose
no idea
buoyant echo
I'm trying to follow an old book from 4.4, so I know there's a lot of things that could be outdated.
buoyant echo
Error GoldenEgg.generated.cpp.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "public: __cdecl AAvatar::AAvatar(class FObjectInitializer const &)" (??0AAvatar@@QEAA@AEBVFObjectInitializer@@@Z)
Getting a pointer is an incomplete class type on PlayerInputComponent
safe rose
Aye
Change PlayerInputComponent to InputComponent
Same for down there
no idea what check does though
Ah
Now I do
That may be handy lol
Anyway
buoyant echo
It checks an expression, no?
cursive dirge
@buoyant echo if you want quick way to check what's changed between releases for basic pawn and actor stuff, just create new template on current engine and you'll spot what's changed right away