I recently created some of the ugliest code because I was trying to do something in Slate and I ended up with 'just throw code at it'; more of a function of me not knowing what I'm doing though
#ue4-general
polar hawk
pallid compass
so there could be say 50 on the screen at once
blissful reef
They're ticking anyway
pallid compass
wait really..?
blissful reef
of course
pallid compass
Oh
blissful reef
Slate can't render without ticking and painting
errant lintel
@polar hawk, https://i.giphy.com/media/LqW9dLVjQm3cs/giphy.webp
pallid compass
mind blown open
I had no idea
How much peformance impact are we talking if we say umm
100 floating UMG widgets, with 2 bars each just as example
blissful reef
Too much
pallid compass
the most i managed to get running was around 1200 floating UMG's
then my system started dying
polar hawk
PogChamp
pallid compass
the regrets where real
I think i actually captured the profiling data for it
I might have it somewhere
blissful reef
Yeah, the overhead is too much, even if you use a invalidation panel, each box will cost you about 10-20us
on something like a PS4
blissful reef
No
pallid compass
Oh?
blissful reef
you should avoid using UMG for this part
pallid compass
-obviously im not gonna have 1200 units on the screen more like say 100 at most
Oh?
blissful reef
In Paragon, we use Instanced mesh rendering in Slate using the SMeshWidget, TheJamsh has a forum post where i explained it, he's an expert on it now
worn granite
oh god not tick
pallid compass
Iv been using widget with UMG inside
blissful reef
Allows you to render all of the minion health bars in a single draw call via slate
pallid compass
Oh?
polar hawk
Health bars are scaled meshes?
pallid compass
God dam i dont even have any clue what slate is 😂
polar hawk
Neat
blissful reef
I would say start with Canvas for the bars
Or, i would use custom painting in a slate widget, probably around similar overhead
pallid compass
I need too do some research on slate
blissful reef
but making every one a unique user widget, with a heiarchy of widgets is no good
pallid compass
I thought UMG was the way too go.
polar hawk
I don't think I've ever touched Canvas in UE4 except for some debug stuff. When I think of Canvas I think of "Should I use UIScenes or Canvas"
blissful reef
it is... it just isn't a good idea for 100's of tiny progress bars
pallid compass
Gotcha
Deffo dont wann end up like wildcard and have 50 little floating hp things take away like 30 fps you know
Thats why i was trying to avoid on tick
blissful reef
pallid compass
ooo thank you!
worn granite
Pretty sure you're gonna have to draw regardless if its you doing it or something else doing it. I hadn't heard of mesh widgets, canvas would work well here I think
pallid compass
-thank you ue4 gods-
polar hawk
I see the thread is rainbow approved
blissful reef
Yeah, canvas would be fine too, so long as airspace isn't a problem, and it's ok for them to be always behind everywthing else
pallid compass
"Slate seems to apply some weird voodoo magic to properly scale and positions its widgets" omg
you know its slightly worrying
polar hawk
Does that refer to... slots?
blissful reef
not due to SMeshWidget
pallid compass
So do u handle things like floating combat text in slate too?
just as an example
I guess i mean 3d widget space things
blissful reef
I can't remember what we did for the numbers
I don't think they use canvas b/c canvas needs to use text layout same as Slate
which because of IME is too expensive to do like combat text
pallid compass
Stupid question but what is canvas, i orignally thought you ment UMG canvas's but it appears to be something different
blissful reef
so people generally just atlas some numbers into a texture and throw up some numbers, rather than using honest to god text
FCanvas
old AHUD
polar hawk
Server needs a /define
pallid compass
This is like Christmas, but for learning
mind if i throw another question your way
blissful reef
sorry not IME
summer verge
In BP I can add "pins" to certain nodes. How would one accomplish this in c++?
radiant remnant
How long will this sale last?
pallid compass
go look up basic functions in c++ blake, or c++ function exposure too bp
blissful reef
worn granite
@summer verge best bet to see how that exactly works in C++ would be to take a look at a K2 node which has an operator pin
pallid compass
Right gotcha
worn granite
But
blissful reef
Basically doing text layout, and handling all kinds of languages is super super expensive
pallid compass
Oh 😮
worn granite
if you wanna know how to accept arbitrary arguments in a C++ func you're gonna wanna look at varargs
pallid compass
Okay slightly less UI related question but
polar hawk
You either want to look up Commutative pins or something else @summer verge
If you want to get a little crazy
Look up some of the online subsystem proxy nodes
pallid compass
When it comes to preping your art for your UI, what is the general good practice process for sizing things say from photoshop too UMG?
Do you build the UI at like 1080p then just stick it in or? how do u end up lining it all up too size and stuff.
pallid compass
By lining it up i mean Making sure what you make is the right size ratio too where it needs to go etc
Gotcha so you build it at 4k res
blissful reef
and we just let the gpu hande the bilerp for smaller resolutions
pallid compass
So if a hp bar is say
400x800 for example
ud build it 400x800 in your graphic application?
then just slam it in, and let it scale down for people?
400x800 being the size of the box.
blissful reef
Sure - but generally you try to build the UI out of re-suable bits
pallid compass
Oh?
blissful reef
or we'll use materials for fancy progress bars
errant lintel
it's recommended to use SMeshWidget for a player preview inside inventory ?
or it's design to
pallid compass
Wait can a material
blissful reef
and there the resolutions varry by what's need
pallid compass
Lerp its self over time for progress?
polar hawk
When you say author at 4k, does that mean you set UMG's DPI scale to be 1 at 4k as well?
blissful reef
sure, provided you feed it a start time
pallid compass
using the time nodes? and a lerp
summer verge
I just need a node that can accept a variable amount of pointers in, and a variable amount of pointers out
blissful reef
materials can access time
pallid compass
ooo 😮
blissful reef
but it would need to know when, now before you do anything insane
summer verge
I'll lookup Commutative pins
blissful reef
100s of images with MIDs would be 100s of draw calls
pallid compass
Gotcha was just thinking of alternatives to displaying help,
blissful reef
1 draw call per MID
blissful reef
but that's what's great about the SMeshWidget
pallid compass
My god this is soo good, honetly the tutors in college have no idea what the math they are talking about
blissful reef
1 mesh instanced 100s of times with a material guiding it's animation and what not
@polar hawk Yeah, DPI scale curve has 4k set to 1.0 scale
polar hawk
Hmm
blissful reef
@errant lintel Huh? SmeshWidget is just for doing 2D instanced mesh rendering
errant lintel
oh ok
pallid compass
I really need to look in too this slate with 2d meshs
Slightly random off topic question but
next badger
@blissful reef so, UMG is heavy on drawcalls?
blissful reef
no, it batches things
but 100s of dynamic materials can't be batched, simple as that
pallid compass
you know when epic made paragon, do you guys build it super network efficient? so you can have lots of instances of it on your hosting servers?
Like i imagine that too be a big thing, because the more instances you can hold on your servers the more money you save right?
blissful reef
Dunno how the servers are setup
summer verge
Or maybe what I really want is an array of pointers in and an array of pointers out. But it would be super convenient if the blueprint version of the class could just have an "add pin" for those in and out pointers. Trying to think if that would work for a research tree
pallid compass
SO how do the umm
2d Static mesh's work?
Is it a snapshot of the mesh or?
Trying to wrap my head around the idea of it
blissful reef
what's a 2D static mesh?
blissful reef
no i mean in what context
polar hawk
I was able to crash a paragon game server the same way I crashed my servers
pallid compass
The difference between 2d mesh and 3d mesh
polar hawk
I wonder if thats still an issue, but I'm scared to try it again
next badger
@polar hawk btw, is your new doxygen tool a part of Linter asset?
polar hawk
It will be
blissful reef
2d meshes don't have a z
worn granite
@summer verge make a custom k2 node... pretty sure that's the only way you can do that
pallid compass
Can you just render 3d meshes as 2d meshes?
Like this is the first time iv ever heard of 2d meshs
blissful reef
we just throw away the z
blissful reef
you have to build the mesh for 2d, like don't make it have dimension and multiple layers
worn granite
I guess you could process the mesh so that when it collapses its fine
But at some point you lose perf
next badger
@blissful reef what about physics for 2d?
blissful reef
Yeah that's what we do for the SMeshWidget assets
worn granite
and would be better off doing something else
pallid compass
So your health bars are what, just a flat plane literally?*
blissful reef
what about physics for 2D/
you can either use box2d, or you can use 3d, and simply have a planar constraint to prevent 3d physics
pallid compass
Thats amazing
It makes sense
Using a flat 2d plane
and just having it face the camera constantly
next badger
@blissful reef yep, what if i constrain it to planar, will energy be conserved? (z axis energy will be distributed or tossed away?)
blissful reef
<- not a physics programmer
pallid compass
Man this is mathing awesome
next badger
@blissful reef hahah, sorrey 😃
pallid compass
THey need to get more epic staff in here every now and again
worn granite
But you're tagged Epic Staff....
pallid compass
wat place omg
weary basalt
You know everything if your epic staff
worn granite
Epic staff
blissful reef
it's true, I keep all the real answers to myself
pallid compass
Huge teams develop the engine
blissful reef
i just give you guys a peak
weary basalt
Obviously
pallid compass
damn
polar hawk
You're useless if you don't know how every single line of Epic's RHI works
dfjghdfjkgd
weary basalt
Exavtly
pallid compass
fuq is RHI omg
next badger
@polar hawk that was mean!
polar hawk
Rendering Hardware Interface
pallid compass
ah
next badger
Also, dont forget shaders
pallid compass
Pretty advanced stuff then i guess
weary basalt
Only @polar hawk can touch it cause hes reckless like that
polar hawk
Ive touched it twice
I cried myself to sleep
But I did manage to get two PRs accepted
¯_(ツ)_/¯
weary basalt
Is that why your editor is now purple permanently
polar hawk
Maybe
pallid compass
I once put a few letters inside a attribute CPP file with out realising, i spent 5 hours trying to figure out why i could not compile
polar hawk
The hell is an attribute cpp file
pallid compass
The forbidden one
polar hawk
pallid compass
next badger
How to edit Common.ush and still be able to run ue4?
pallid compass
Attribute cpp's are just the UAttribute classes from the forbidden one
weary basalt
😾
errant lintel
RHI is pretty fun
polar hawk
You should just simply not be touching .ush files
fierce tulip
https://i.gyazo.com/368319bff73dac338d696db88f4d3b13.gif was talking with shadowriver and ended up goofing off.
pallid compass
Can you not Luos, you make me want to throw my self in the bathtub
That is so nice D:
be me
get rekt by ribbon trails
be luos
create the start of the world
polar hawk
I used to mess around with shaders in UE3, me and a buddy accidentally came up with a bunch of crazy ways to manipulate vertex colors into doing weird stuff
upbeat fern
hey guys, anyone imported a larger than 8192px texture at all ?
polar hawk
We were too stupid to talk about it
next badger
@fierce tulip now, open Nvidia Fun House and assign it on every asset...LSD House.
polar hawk
And now the things we were doing are now industry standard things
upbeat fern
(just using it in a non built thing for reference)
polar hawk
And we coulda been on that game early, being like YO PEOPLE SUP
fierce tulip
@upbeat fern need to enable bigger res in an .ini file somehwere. should be googleable
unless that changed over the past years hehe
weary basalt
The one that got away @polar hawk
polar hawk
Ayeee
pallid compass
16k textures or gtfo
polar hawk
We also ended up prototyping a game that literally got stolen by a game company
pallid compass
I dont even think quixel goes that high
polar hawk
¯_(ツ)_/¯
upbeat fern
yeah, I have a 16k texture to go in
fierce tulip
wait, i think you need to be in the ini to add proper lod support for 16k
next badger
i think i've seen virtual texturing in ue4 pipeline
upbeat fern
pallid compass
Do u need to make 8k, then 4k then 2k then 1k version
or can the engine do that for you? for say settings
upbeat fern
nah, just need it to display on a landscape, doing legal stuffs.
next badger
@pallid compass depends...if you don't mipmaps will be generated you could make own
pallid compass
Whats mipmaps?
next badger
@pallid compass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mipmap
upbeat fern
things that fuck with the texture, so it looks ok from a distance.
fierce tulip
basically texture-lod-ing
upbeat fern
^
pallid compass
ohhh
upbeat fern
also stops the moire effect, depending on what you're doing.
safe rose
@upbeat fernhttp://graphinesoftware.com/products/granite-for-unreal
next badger
@safe rose https://trello.com/c/83nVWOVR
upbeat fern
256k textures, k
pallid compass
Honestly im yet too see anything match Quixel for anything but char's
next badger
@pallid compass ?
upbeat fern
ah, ok, so it just splits it up into little chunks
pallid compass
hm?
next badger
@upbeat fern it's like atlas used in 2d games
upbeat fern
cursive dirge
that 262k texture I get
upbeat fern
fillin' in missing detail.
cursive dirge
I dunno if granite allows you to generate the textures on the fly
upbeat fern
it manages your textures for you apparently
pallid compass
If they had a verison of quxiel that did not need photoshop that would be the bee's knee's
upbeat fern
I think I'm just going to split it up into 4x8k textures
cursive dirge
if you could do procedural texturing, then the shipping size is no issue
pallid compass
I dont think im gonna be able to sleep tonight, all i can think about is the gameplay ability system Doc has gone
next badger
https://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_cat.php?categoryID=1484 - i believe here is the most largest, there're 16 tiles textures 21600x21600px
pallid compass
"Create 3D meshes from scratch in Unreal Editor using a new suite of polygon modeling tools"
YES
GOOD BYE MAYA
upbeat fern
it sucks
next badger
@pallid compass hahhaahahhahaha
pallid compass
but that low poly fox
can look epic with some shaders
give it a gud ol umm
what they called
omg i forgot the name someone help me out
upbeat fern
AO ?
next badger
Oh, btw, what about new ue4 rigging tool?
upbeat fern
Cel shading
pallid compass
nothing makes me more mad than having to rig in maya or max, there so expensive yet just trash
Yes that
next badger
@pallid compass iirc they said it's made already, on one of the streams, it allows you to rig a mesh in ue4 editor
upbeat fern
combined with the wrinkle map plugin
next badger
@pallid compass kind of alternative to Allright Rig
upbeat fern
I'm sure you've got some stuff goin'
pallid compass
I dream of the day, i dont have to work in maya or max
There just so crap and cost so much
So many issues with them
next badger
ue4: modelling, rigging, skinning, (texturing?), animation, render!
upbeat fern
subscription isn't too bad for maya lt
pallid compass
One of the reasons people use it, is because its the only thing out that that does everything
But there support for it
is just
beyond crap
upbeat fern
if you don't like the cost though, modo's a good alternative.
pallid compass
2016 bearly works and they release 2017
did u guys see that hedgehog auto mesh creator
the other day
Take alook at that
kinda intresting
upbeat fern
reminds me of spore.
pallid compass
Just got a feeling ud run in too a fuck ton of issues
upbeat fern
just need to make modular assets.
pallid compass
#TheDream
next badger
@pallid compass no offence, but why would i need to merge them? just make them separate, use as is in ue and generate procedural weapons with BP!
pallid compass
swear too god i hope there updating the wiki for the abilitysystem plugin as alot of my work is built on it, gonna have nightmaes if they scrap it, its been out since like 14.9
true true haha
4.9*
next badger
@pallid compass You could ask Nick, he has an access to Epic discord
pallid compass
Im scared for an answer honestly
I know alot of small developers
I know use it as well
upbeat fern
but nicks the umg guy D:
blissful reef
wat
next badger
@pallid compass just ask
polar hawk
Its so much better if you just ask a question when tagging rather than asking if you can ask a question
pallid compass
Nick would you mind inquiring if possible, about why the AbilitySystem doc has gone off the API site, as i my self and alot of people of developers i know use it, and its pretty core stuff, its pretty worrying to be honest as its been in since i think 4.9?
blissful reef
Or this gem, I don't know, maybe @blissful reef knows
pallid compass
I am aware its not offically supported, but doc was provided and the plugin
next badger
@blissful reef it's not about "maybe knows" it's just a piece of code is missing from the engine and docs pages too
upbeat fern
hey nick, will the controls to the umg editor be more consistant to the rest of the engine next version? ;D
next badger
@blissful reef like it was removed
errant lintel
@pallid compass, I already reply this question, Gameplay Abilities was move to a plugin
well it's not really a part of the engine
pallid compass
Its always been a plugin
pallid compass
Since iv been using it, it was a pkugin in the gameplay section.
next badger
@errant lintel and what about documentation? it's gone?
pallid compass
Plugin*
blissful reef
wut?
pallid compass
They have been updating it over time since 4.10 ish i think?
maiden swift
🤦
summer verge
Wow this K2 node stuff really hurts my head
pallid compass
The AbilitySystem plugin, that is used for paragon the documentation has vanished off the website, so its worrying as alot of people use the system
maiden swift
@blissful reef Sorry for the trouble. They want to know if the GameplayAbilities docs will ever come back since it's an unsupported feature.
polar hawk
In the chance that @blissful reef is seeking that answer, I'd also like to know if theres any way to obtain a public version of the UnrealDocTool for non-licensee purposes. :p. The fact that the UnrealDocTool exists is public knowledge, so, yolo.
upbeat fern
xD the nick spam is great
next badger
@polar hawk oooooooooooooh....
polar hawk
I can convert BP to Doxygen, I'd like to parse that with the UnrealDocTool but /shrug
upbeat fern
4k screen ?
pallid compass
no ultra wide for work, then 4k too the side, then 244hz to the other side
blissful reef
@maiden swift I don't know if the ability system docs will come back. If it's unsupported, i doubt we'll document it
maiden swift
That's what I've been telling people.
pallid compass
It was already all doc 😦 why would they take it away
blissful reef
it probably wasn't accurate
pallid compass
Can i at least have a copy of the old doc omg, so i dont burn and have to remake all core stuff
polar hawk
lol
pallid compass
id tell blurry doc over not knowing anything 😂
maiden swift
Honestly, I think people are better off building their own ability frameworks.
blissful reef
^
pallid compass
pfist u dont understand fam
next badger
Documentation is like food, have an expiration period...
blissful reef
The ability system is a big complicated thing
pallid compass
its like the greatest thing ever
polar hawk
The system is actually pretty good, for the most part
blissful reef
sure, but it's big and complicated
maiden swift
But it's big and complicated and undocumented. Basically a programmers worst nightmare.
It's a 1 on the 1-10 scale of usability.
polar hawk
I'd much rather see the CMC opened up though
blissful reef
CMC?
polar hawk
Character Movement Component
pallid compass
I litrally use the abilitysystem for everything
Even equiping gear to doing a gud ol pewpew
polar hawk
CMC has a bunch of great replication/prediction/savedmove stuff
But extending it / customizing it is much harder than it should be
blissful reef
mm
next badger
CMC may become plugin one day!
next badger
And then! Documentation also be gone!
pallid compass
gonna mail epic every day begging for copy of the doc
every day il add 1 more sad looking animal too the email
maiden swift
@next badger Don't need to compare everything to GameplayAbilities. It's a very special circumstance. It's the exception, not the rule.
pallid compass
i tried
The lastest capture i could find was 2 years ago
super outdated version
some reason google has not cached it
next badger
@maiden swift that was irony, iirc someone on stream told that goal of the ue4 to become modular
blissful reef
Oh...just that? Just look at the code
maiden swift
@next badger That's correct. Sorry I didn't get the irony hahah. 😄
pallid compass
Im personally, not good enough with c++, the doc was really good for when i was working
I wish i would of saved it
😂
maiden swift
There's a snapshot from April 2016 @pallid compass
polar hawk
If I could get the UnrealDocTool for non-licensee purposes I'd just generate that doc for you :p
pallid compass
SEND
maiden swift
upbeat fern
no shit sherlock xD
maiden swift
That's probably the best you're going to get aside from community discussion and trial & error.
maiden swift
If you want to finish your game, just assume GameplayAbilities is never going to be supported.
pallid compass
be epic
thats nice project u got there Hal
it be shame if someone.. TOOK UR DOC AND SUPPORT AWAY
they say it was unsupported
but they kept updating it
the plugin that is
polar hawk
Get used to it yo
worn granite
uses unsupported feature
dives into docs somehow available
get mad when support is pulled
pallid compass
My fav thing about it, it was hyper efficient for replication
maiden swift
The plugin is a relic of internal work they did for Fortnite and Paragon, I believe.
next badger
@polar hawk ```We would love to make all of the tools available if possible (and some of them may already be thorugh GitHub), but the customized Doxygen binaries may be an issue with redistribution. We would have to check with our legal department on that one.
answered Jul 31 '14 at 10:22 PM
Jeff Wilson ¦¦ STAFF```
pallid compass
be me
get mad anyway
next badger
@polar hawk still checking 😛
pallid compass
dam u epic
Look at them, still using it in paragon and fortnite, and developing it
but there like
not for u scrubs
wait can i update the plugin my self? is that allowed?
upbeat fern
yeah
worn granite
Why wouldn't it be?
pallid compass
legal things
next badger
@maiden swift so relic, so it's used in their not yet released game 😛
worn granite
You probably can't redistribute it
pallid compass
yeah but i could still package right?
worn granite
idk ask epic legal
upbeat fern
cause it's packaged.
polar hawk
I don't care about the doxygen binaries, I can get them myself
upbeat fern
and you can fork back to the original.
next badger
@polar hawk We use a combination of Doxygen (a customized version to handle UE4's unique features) to generate XML and a completely custom tool (APIDocTool) to parse that into the format our documentation is stored in. Then we have another tool (UnrealDocTool) that publishes all of our documentation to HTML.
pallid compass
pictures of sad animals
next badger
polar hawk
Yeah, I don't actually need the Doxygen part of that chain
Its the tools after that that I'm looking for
pallid compass
I think i might just keep the ability system for now, and see where we are at in 6 months, if its gone then its gone and il swap it out for my own system
upbeat fern
suggestions anyone ?
upbeat fern
they're pixel perfect split.
upbeat fern
I just make it if it's not supported.
next badger
@polar hawk seems source for UDT was available before...
next badger
@polar hawk yep, till 4.15
polar hawk
hm
next badger
polar hawk
I shall give it a look
next badger
it's a C# btw -_-
upbeat fern
is there binaries for this ?
next badger
@upbeat fern you could compile one, there's solution file
next badger
@upbeat fern not sure if it was bundled with Rocket version
upbeat fern
C:\Program Files\Epic Games\UE_4.15\Engine\Source\Programs\UnrealDocTool
awh
unlucky.
wish git was faster for aussies.
*github
on a 100/100 line, downloading at 300kB/s
blissful reef
It appears we deleted it from the depot, and relocated it b/c branches kept using out of date versions so now it's in another root in the depot, and synced from there for doc builds
polar hawk
Dang
upbeat fern
xD beautiful
next badger
seems VCS is magic even for Epic...
blissful reef
VCS?
next badger
@blissful reef version control system
maiden swift
Perforce isn't magic; just a lot of elbow grease.
next badger
@blissful reef much more that repo has?
maiden swift
It can definitely seem like magic if you're not an expert, though! lol
blissful reef
the github repo only represents master, and the release streams
next badger
@maiden swift i was talking about github
blissful reef
there's a LOT more than that
maiden swift
Ohhh! You're talking about the bot that pushes their Perforce depots to Github and such.
Lots of automation going on there, I'm sure.
blissful reef
yes
All the engine teams work in dev streams off master which are currently not mirrored to github
next badger
@blissful reef i wonder how much your .git folder weights...mine like 10Gb iirc
next badger
oh, lucky you
weary basalt
Im assuming you guys run an custom version of Perforce?
blissful reef
no.
next badger
git just doesn't work with comments properly...
polar hawk
Perforce is love, Perforce is life
blissful reef
truth
next badger
@blissful reef was git dictated by distribution model? i.e github?
maiden swift
I look forward to the day when using GitHub to host a game dev project is relatively trivial.
blissful reef
no, git won because git won
polar hawk
Theres enough Perforce support that even I can mimick Epic's Perforce internal -> Github public system
Was using that for a bit
blissful reef
All the other reivision control solutions are dead or dying
maiden swift
Probably the same reasons why Autodesk switched to git.
People like using git.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
next badger
so weird...git is just like crap on windows
maiden swift
Git is great on Windows for me.
blissful reef
perforce is holding on only because git doesn't solve large binary files yet or super large repos, which is game companies
polar hawk
The Git for Windows Git GUI is actually really good if you give it a chance
next badger
git for windows is basically an emulated port
maiden swift
Tower is an amazing Git GUI, but it's pricey. Worth it if you can afford it.
blissful reef
I use SourceTree
next badger
and git integration for VS doesn't properly work with .gitignore
polar hawk
I'm definitely not talking about the GitHub client
That thing is god awful
I used to use SourceTree but every update seems to make it less good
maiden swift
Github Desktop is good (the old one at least).
next badger
@blissful reef same here
blissful reef
Tower huh?
maiden swift
Git Kraken is great but requires a Git Kraken account. Meh.
Yeah. Tower is by far the best git GUI I've used.
It's also the most expensive.
next badger
Tower could not show remote branches iirc
maiden swift
$79 for a license.
Atom has Git integrated now, which is a nice lightweight option.
polar hawk
And if you're using Git on windows, most likely you already have the client installed
:p
maiden swift
@polar hawk It's a good free option in a pinch, but I don't think I'd call it a great client. 😛
At least it's relatively simple. Can't say the same for P4V.
blissful reef
Tower looks like SourceTree
next badger
@maiden swift could tower search through comments on all branches? and show them like that?
blissful reef
i mean, they're all gana be kinda similar
blissful reef
Black on dark blue background, quality ui decisions
maiden swift
lol
maiden swift
This man will shrug all night long.
blissful reef
who was working on this and went, you know what was the penacle of colors? windows 95 color palette
next badger
@polar hawk oh, i remember this app...you could not change the background for some of the windows for some reason...i wanted to make it white on black
maiden swift
I'd rather use the command line than the built-in git GUI.
next badger
@maiden swift *gitk
maiden swift
Is that what it's called?
polar hawk
The same people who made Total Commander
next badger
@maiden swift the Allar's one, yep, it's not built in...just bundled with
maiden swift
That's what I meant. It comes with git.
next badger
@maiden swift well, iirc it's an app from a different dev even
polar hawk
I can do custom engine migrations hella fast with Total Commander
Looks like its 1995
¯_(ツ)_/¯
next badger
@maiden swift wanna host all ue4 there? =)))
maiden swift
It may not be the robust beast that Perforce is, but git is more appealing to most developers so they're going to be willing to put up with the shortcomings.
And at this rate, with the popularity of git and huge effort pouring into Git LFS, it will be robust for game dev in a few years time.
Autodesk recently switched from Perforce to Git. What a hell of a case study that was.
Someone did a talk on that, why they did it, how they did it, etc.
Great stuff.
upbeat fern
it's awesome atm, get some nice large projects goin' on
a couple rooms + some 3d scans (not big either)
maiden swift
Git also has a far better ecosystem, hands down.
next badger
git is like...stash, fetch, pick, rebase -i HEAD ...oh, you screwed the repo...
maiden swift
There's nowhere you can go to get the Github/Gitlab/Bitbucket experience with Perforce, unless you're working in enterprise.
polar hawk
Hah, man I've fucked over many a git repo
Its really hard to cause damage to a perforce repo
You can damage a changelist
next badger
@polar hawk i guess i've f*ked ue4 master several times in a row until mastered stash =))
blissful reef
perforce could have won if they were quicker on a business model pivot before github got traction
maiden swift
Agreed @blissful reef.
polar hawk
Perforce just needs to be not retarded with their licensing
upbeat fern
if they had free software at all..
maiden swift
I've been in contact with them several times and they refuse to support small developers beyond the 5 free user thing. That's good enough in their eyes.
They were experimenting with a hosted service for a while, but they canned it last I heard.
polar hawk
If Perforce had not-EA not-Epic not-Microsoft pricing, I'll single handedly increase market share
maiden swift
The beta was rough, but it was promising at least.
Was the easiest way to set up a depot by far.
Pricing is a big one.
Free for 5 users + you're on your own + good luck reading mountains of obtuse documentation.
upbeat fern
aha, server setup's not the best either.
next badger
btw in win10 you have native BASH! native GIT! yay!
polar hawk
I'd run a god damn unreal hosting platform if Perforce licensing wasn't retarded
blissful reef
it's not just that, 5 users would be fine, but, the fact is you need cloud hosting like github for peoples personal projects
maiden swift
^
That level of accessibility is a big part of why git blew up.
Github democratized version control like no one before them.
Here's that Autodesk talk about migrating the whole company from Perforce to Git: https://youtu.be/QNixDNtwYJ0
Really interesting talk.
next badger
So, could be ue4 be integrated with git? for binaries? and not to have repo like 1Pb ?
maiden swift
Github made a great plugin for Unity recently.
blissful reef
ue4 has a git plugin
upbeat fern
ue4's had a git plugin forever.
maiden swift
I believe Sebastian - the developer of the UE4 git plugin - is working on upgrading it to match.
He seems pretty excited about it.
He's only one person, of course.
blissful reef
arnt we all
upbeat fern
together, we're more
maiden swift
This convo reminds me of a card on the old UE4 roadmap about creating a new mergeable file format for uassets.
polar hawk
Was discussed on 4.17 preview
blissful reef
still working on that
maiden swift
Oh really? If that takes off, that's the kind of thing it will take to make UE4 projects more trivial to host on services like Github.
blissful reef
nah need LFS
maiden swift
Well of course.
What I mean is when it comes to plain text code, there's a UX you get on Github that you can't get with binary files (besides PSDs).
next badger
Well, i just imagine, if ue4 source that has...what, 200mb source code, has a repo like 10-20Gb...what would happen if binaries will be added?
maiden swift
Inline diffing, things being nicely embedded in issue discussions, etc.
blissful reef
it's not just binaries
polar hawk
Inline diffing a blueprint sounds really bad
blissful reef
it's every revision of every binary
in hundreds of branches
100s of gbs of art per game
maiden swift
Yeah you're talking about huge repos.
blissful reef
I'd bet our perforce server is well over 10TB
polar hawk
I can wreck a git server with just project binaries alone
maiden swift
@polar hawk You're right. That kind of thing makes more sense built in to the engine interface, like the current blueprint differ we have.
That sort of experience would make more sense as part of the git plugin.
polar hawk
There is a bp diff tool in the engine
maiden swift
That's what I said.
At least that's what I was trying to say. lol
Obviously that didn't come across.
next badger
polar hawk
Its not a part of Git/P4 I believe
Theres an abstraction layer I think for all source control stuff
Which I believe would mean that something like ueblueprints.com
Could offer a differ using pre-existing logic
maiden swift
That would be rad.
BlueprintUE.com has potential.
Really cool site.
If it was as good as Codepen is for web development... Mmmm.
next badger
imo Epic should made a wrapper for embedding the bp's from this site to the forums
maiden swift
Would be amazing if we could drop blueprint graphs here on Discord sort of like Sketchfab models.
blissful reef
sigh, i proposed it and had a functional prototype i showed on a stream back in like 4.3 days
polar hawk
That website's renderer is not ready for that yet
maiden swift
I remember that @blissful reef. Was an Epic Friday thing right? Or a weekender even?
blissful reef
yeah epic friday
maiden swift
Seemed really cool to me, even for a prototype.
weary basalt
What happened to it?
blissful reef
it's hard pushing a side project as a real thing
weary basalt
That sucks
next badger
@blissful reef cause, If you do work well, you just getting more work? 😃
polar hawk
I might try to do graph embedding with my bp -> doxygen tool, but iunno
blissful reef
issues.unrealengine.com took many months of my time getting various approvals, working out all details, checking all the boxes
maiden swift
^Thankful for it, too. I love the issue tracker.
polar hawk
Issue tracker's best use: slapping QA staff on AH
blissful reef
we use jira internally
next badger
@blissful reef is it good? jira i mean?
polar hawk
Jira is love, Jira is life
blissful reef
yeah jira is great, there's a lota shit issue trackers in the world
weary basalt
You use it to?
polar hawk
I use it at most places I consult
Hell I've set it up at most places I consult
I am accidentally a build pipeline engineer
blissful reef
best plan for retirement
polar hawk
is so boring
blissful reef
exactly
maiden swift
Getting paid is hard.
blissful reef
it's the most unloved job in programming, i think you could write your own paycheck if you came to a place and was A) good and B) wanted to be the best build engineer
polar hawk
I've almost automated my build pipeline work
So I can just show up and run a batch script given a server
And sit in a chair for a few hours
blissful reef
heh
polar hawk
I don't strive to do 100+ man pipelines
Upper limit is around 50 before I say go hire someone
next badger
polar hawk
Build pipelines can get crazy
blissful reef
mmhmm
polar hawk
The biggest issue I've always ran into is when IT is like 'yeah, this whole branch is banned from contacting this whole branch on the network, but you're gonna need to work around that'
Because LA houses have ridiculous IT
There are giant vfx houses that have to copy paste data onto portable hard drives to move the data from one room to another
Due to security compliance
polar hawk
Aye
next badger
@polar hawk have they heard of usb-usb cabling? iirc Corning made those
polar hawk
Certain machines need to be airgapped
Especially with film
Film production houses will go out of their way to get point to point ethernet wiring from their studio to another studio, creating a private wan
next badger
@polar hawk isn't VPN was made for?
next badger
oh...US, right...
polar hawk
Point to points are usually gigabits
next badger
yeah, you could get a gigabit optics here if you need one
polar hawk
Aye, I need to leave this city
polar hawk
LA is fantastic if you go to clubs every night and love drugs
The food is great but its not worth it
next badger
i wish i could get to e3 once
maiden swift
I prefer GDC. ❤
blissful reef
^
weary basalt
Dont move to Australia. We have shit internet
next badger
or GDC, whatever...
blissful reef
That's cause the packets flow counter clockwise in Australia
polar hawk
:o
weary basalt
Yep
polar hawk
I don't blame no one wanting to run a cable from one part of Australia to another
weary basalt
Haha
next badger
always though australia is like...east coast
weary basalt
The other half is basically just an big mine
next badger
miners need fibers too?
weary basalt
They have enough money for it.
next badger
oh... those miners? http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Monster-Heater-Miner-mod.jpg
weary basalt
Iron ore miners lol
blissful reef
time to go play some dead cells
maiden swift
Have fun!
weary basalt
Dont hurt yourself
next badger
o/
weary basalt
@polar hawk Melbourne > Sydney
polar hawk
You must live in Melbourne
weary basalt
Nope haha
polar hawk
Wagga Wagga
weary basalt
I lived there for 5 weeks
polar hawk
Wagga Wagga (/ˈwɒɡəˈwɒɡə/[3] WOG-ə WOG-ə; informally called Wagga)
maiden swift
Damn.
Still can't package without SteamVR plugin in 4.17 p2. 😦
I'm pretty interested in what will be possible with the editor scripting API.
There's even source control nodes.
weary basalt
Yeah im keen for it to
tall sage
@polar hawk "E3 is better at home" : Yup perfect with pizza, homescreen and live commenting with friends on a sofa 😄
polar hawk
Windows:
CMake might be a dangerous program
polar hawk
That is compelling
next badger
@plush yew like, example, why should we bother?
@polar hawk could You clarify, Nick told that they've moved some sourced to new root...but, i could not find the UDT, is it gone from the repo?
next badger
@polar hawk i just don't get why Epic does this stuff sometimes...
polar hawk
To be fair, its not like the public needs that tool
next badger
@polar hawk agree...very specific...
plush yew
@next badger because
next badger
@plush yew very persuasive
plush yew
@next badger what you mean
next badger
@plush yew persuasive - good at persuading someone to do or believe something through reasoning or the use of temptation
plush yew
ok thank you @next badger
worn granite
Tylor what kind of game?
next badger
@polar hawk btw, You're not streaming today? Busy?
polar hawk
mhm
next badger
@polar hawk we already have 
but i don't mind :allar: too
polar hawk
Is there an easy/good way to extract a beard on photoshop
Like an automatic 'extract my face from the background including my hair'
next badger
@polar hawk yep...lemme see how the tool is called
polar hawk
There used to be a tool called Extract
next badger
@polar hawk so...found...Pick a quick selection tool, select rough border, then press Select and Mask button ont the options toolbar
@polar hawk the windows similar to "extract" will pop up
polar hawk
Thats what I'm using now, its a god damn pain in the ass
Good enough
woah
beard template
next badger
@polar hawk some lines still there, but, i was just lazy 😛
@polar hawk well, that tool working fine...you just need to figure out how =)))
@polar hawk
@polar hawk cleaned up slightly
oh...it's #ue4-general
weary basalt
Ewww
maiden swift
Michael Alexander.
weary basalt
^^
maiden swift
Alexander Allar. 😮
next badger
polar hawk
lmaowat
heady bridge
Whoa! what's happening here? lol
maiden swift
Without his beard he kind of looks like a Borderlands character.
maiden swift
Wait a second. Why am I not yelling at you guys? This is #ue4-general. Damn it... -_-
polar hawk
All I wanted was to extract my face + beard from the background
Photoshop is important
next badger
@polar hawk oh...ok
spice urchin
weary basalt
Real beards are better though. Mine is getting a bit longish..
heady bridge
I just trimmed my beard yesterday
plush yew
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
next badger
jss, Epic has 2 variables for camera speed
plush yew
Please welcome @pale hazel to the community! :beers:
next badger
Dunno who got that idea but it's horrible. If 2nd varible changed by accident you could fly like a jet or crawl like a turtle, there's no indication of it.
stable arrow
Hello people ! How are you all doing!
Anybody knows about the Open Cv integration with unreal engine
i need some guidance on that
plush yew
Please welcome @stoic rover to the community! :beers:
next badger
@stable arrow there's wiki article...that's all i know
stable arrow
@next badger i have red that article but i am still getting errors in my visual studio file
next badger
@stable arrow no wonder, it's old...
stable arrow
yeah!
plush yew
Please welcome @pearl torrent to the community! :beers:
meager bough
when building my project, ue4 seems to cook all the stuff i have in my project, rather than only the things that i actually use. is that normal? can you avoid that? how do you deal with that? always delete everything your not using?
fluid stag
wazarp
gritty vale
anyone has any experience with integrating wwise plugin with UE4.14
?
having trouble when i build for android
gritty vale
oh i just saw that channel!
Thank you! 😃
plush yew
Please welcome @undone marsh to the community! :beers:
humble rivet
So I've created my level in the wrong project
How can I import them to the other project ( Getting errors alll the time) missing Spline nodes etc. what default folder within the content folder are they saved in ?
short onyx
No script section? I need help xD
Can i do 2 script on the same Blueprint? Cause mine wont :/
cloud cobalt
There is a #blueprint and a #cpp channel
plush yew
Please welcome @leaden elk to the community! :beers:
cloud cobalt
There is no "scripting" in UE @short onyx
plush yew
Please welcome @keen egret to the community! :beers:
Please welcome @robust compass to the community! :beers:
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
hey guys, i need help with project packaging because i have two problems atm
- localization doesnt load in a packaged project but works in pie or standalone, do i need to include the localization folders somehow into the code or something like that?
- id like to seperate my levels into pak files for each level (persistent with sublevels) so when uploading new versions i only upload the changed level not the entire maps folder, how would i do that. At the moment all the maps are ina file together
thanks
fierce tulip
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225448446956404738/337077493704032257/watt.png cannot be unseen
red pewter
hi, it could be nice if we had a channel for archviz
cloud cobalt
Not really, archviz is just an application of tech. Peope here do archviz and will talk in all channels
red pewter
I know, but since it has it's own sub-forum in the forums I thought about that
languid shard
@red pewter @cloud cobalt I kinda agree on this, archviz is a bit different than the classic video game workflow
cloud cobalt
@languid shard Well i'll believe you, but basically I'm not sure if you have many questions that someone not doing archviz would answer ?
I mean i'm not doing it, I know you are, I can probably still help on lots of stuff and I just wouldn't read an archviz channel
languid shard
true
cloud cobalt
VR or mobile for example are applications where you have a lot of topics that only people there can help with
(so I just don't read those either since I have zero knowledge or interest about it)
But well, I'm not moderating this place 😉
shadow geyser
So, i've been focussing on learning UE4 C++ recently without even really touching blueprints. So, this morning i started a blueprint game to see if blueprints are any good. My conclusion is that THEY ARE SO EPIC. Like i've made a basic (and bad) game in only 3 hours. So good 😄
shadow geyser
^
I still like the C++ side of it though. Because it's a challenge and i'm finding it allows for much more functionality. No idea how to link the 2 yet but i will try one day.
cloud cobalt
Usual advice : C++ is best for low-level mechanisms that are complex, need long-term work, Blueprints are great for gameplay, unique elements, level scripting, etc
shadow geyser
@cloud cobalt what do you mean by low-level mechanisms? do you have any examples?
cursive dirge
you can do most of the things in c++ with UE4 just fine
if you go that route, you at least don't face BP corruption or inability to refactor your code quickly
<- not a fan of BPs 😄
languid shard
custom physics engine is an example of C++ use
cloud cobalt
@shadow geyser For example if you're doing a MOBA, you can work on matchmaking, ability system, animation support, etc in C++
And do the abilities, characters, with Blueprint
cursive dirge
there's really no reason why you couldn't do abilities etc in c++ with same or less effort
if you know c++ already
cloud cobalt
Simply put, the closer logically you are to the player, to the stuff on the screen, the more likely Blueprint is better
@cursive dirge Sure, you can always do it in C++
cursive dirge
of course, a lot of these things come down to your own preferences
cloud cobalt
Blueprint is just faster to iterate
red pewter
it was a small suggestion but you're correct @cloud cobalt (regarding the archviz) channel
languid shard
it feels like Archviz with UE4 is such a niche already 🤔
cursive dirge
yeah, they are, when you don't have a) math b) loops c) need to clean them up d) refactor your logic e) worry about your BPs getting corrupted all the time
red pewter
i'm going crazy with splotches 😄
shadow geyser
and if i read correctly, i can convert my bp's to C++ ???
cursive dirge
I just prefer the stability and not having to worry about things getting broken in the background (where you have zero control over it)
languid shard
right I'm gonna eat, brb
cursive dirge
@shadow geyser you can automatically "nativize BPs" into c++ at packaging time
red pewter
thank you @languid shard , will do that later today, bon appetit ^^
cloud cobalt
@cursive dirge You don't need to convince me btw, I'm using 99% Blueprints. Just pointing out that, like, doing logic for one unique character is exactly what Blueprint does best
@languid shard Same 😄
cursive dirge
@shadow geyser but you'll not get human readable c++ from it, nor is that code shown to you at any point unless you search for it
shadow geyser
ahhhhhh
ok.
Thx for the info 😄
can i convert my project to a C++ & BP project or is it stuck with bp's?
cursive dirge
if you have BP project, it's super easy to turn it into c++ project
just add any c++ file to it via editor and it creates a visual studio solution for you (if in windows)
cursive dirge
or, just put cpp files into source -folder and right click on your uproject, select create project files
and that's it
it'll not convert your code into c++ itself
but that allows you to add c++ code yourself to it
shadow geyser
and i can use blueprints the same as before?
cursive dirge
you can mix them always
shadow geyser
woot
cursive dirge
yeah
blueprints are inherited from c++ classes anyway at some point
they all are
most of the blueprints you make, have direct c++ parent
same with components
so, you can use c++ classes in your game if you prefer or inherit your own c++ classes into blueprints and use them instead, or create blueprints from the existing engine classes (like the default Actor, Pawn etc)
same logic applies to everything, like you can have blueprint gamemode in c++ project if you like
"c++ project" is kinda misleading IMO but it mainly tells there's SOME code that needs to be compiled and it's not all blueprints
there are some issues though, like if you do custom c++ classes and then inherit blueprints from them, this works but if you then go and refactor your parent c++ class, you always risk corrupting the BP that inherited it
you can do some changes without risking it but it's something you have to learn the hard way if you go that route
shadow geyser
Can you inherit c++ from blueprints?
plush yew
Please welcome @urban sinew to the community! :beers:
cursive dirge
@shadow geyser nah
you can inhert BPs from c++ or from BP, but not the other way around
shadow geyser
Ahhh k.
cursive dirge
if you need your BP to pass data into c++ side, you just create a function for it from c++ or do some other mechanism
shadow geyser
Just gonna run something past you. Can I have a bp that inherits from an actor that I can then inherit for other bps? I ask because there are some functions I need but don't want to have to recreate