hiii
#ue4-general
leaden stump
midnight mantle
wish I had local game dev buddies
just for the atmosphere lol
having a hard time focusing on learning the software so I can get started
plush yew
Please welcome @fluid glen to the community! :beers:
fluid glen
๐
trim trail
damn, is there a some way to reduce crashes of ue4 on my super old gtx285? im just doing really simple stuff, material editor + small plane to test material, but it frequently crashes
livid haven
That's... a b it more than a solution for crashes. ๐
weary basalt
๐
livid haven
@trim trail Probably got little choice but to use a properly supported card. You can get a refurbished card on the cheap.
As far as Nvidia, probably the 800 or 900 series.
weary basalt
Even an cheap GTX-10XX will be loads better
livid haven
It will be, but considering they're operating on an ancient card, I'm guessing they've got pocket lint as far as buying power.
weary basalt
Most likely, unfortunately.
I saw an screenshot recently that someone had taken of an BP Graph and the editor was so squished together it looked like they were using an mobile device to run the Editor lol
surreal oak
Isn't that Automated by now?
midnight mantle
what is?
livid haven
Mowing lawns, probably.
And no, it doesn't make economic sense to automate lawn mowing.
livid haven
Nobody is going to pay for a 200 series card.
livid haven
The number of people who show up to a garage sale that are going to buy a video card is pretty damn low in the first place.
midnight mantle
collect debts
livid haven
Also, I got that reference, but wow.
midnight mantle
borrow money?
livid haven
Kaiji
livid haven
Asian-but-not-Japanese weeb-but-not-weeb friend put me through a few episodes, seems sufficiently obscure a reference to make.
floral pagoda
lean rock
I have no clue how I can promote my UE4 game ..
drifting ocean
Post interesting looking gifs on Reddit /Twitter/everywhere
People love gifs
@lean rock Read this ? https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/marketing-for-indies
agile wadi
How do ya'll debug your shipping build hard-crashes? We've set up Bugsplat to send us player game logs & Minidumps. I'm interested to see if there is anything else we can do help.
lean rock
Thanks @drifting ocean
plush yew
Please welcome @prisma talon to the community! :beers:
cursive dirge
http://www.gameaipro.com/ now second book as free download as well ๐
plush yew
Hey guys, I just recently got started with Unreal. Are there any free resources/videos/YouTubers that you would recommend me checking out?
plush yew
Just subcribed to it yesterday, the dev interviews are interesting
plush yew
Please welcome @plush yew to the community! :beers:
fierce tulip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=727BegJAJFM when you see a game using your content ๐
woven creek
hi, anyone know how to enable longer name in Sequencer component setting? I have a few duplicated settings for Post Processing but they come up with generic names like "Intensity (Settings)" or "Temp (Settings)"
halcyon marsh
hello can i have your optinion in a pc setup ?
fierce tulip
that would be better in lounge
halcyon marsh
oh you changed the location
didnt see that
it was in the top before, thank you :p
fierce tulip
np ๐
wary wave
found the source of my blueprint construction script crashes / freezes
observe this:
https://snag.gy/rtTz8g.jpg
and the associated log:
https://snag.gy/7UHFtZ.jpg
either the while loop, or the logical or isn't working
'Iterations' is clearly going well above 1000
but the loop never exits
plush yew
@livid haven "it doesn't make economic sense to automate lawn mowing."
Roomba.
fierce tulip
final owl
clever basin
tiny little question, how hard is it to get into Unreal Engine networking for a basic move-about game
Think FPS
with no shooting
but instead melee mechanics or something
plush yew
@fierce tulip That reminds me of a question I had though, as an asset creator, do you find yourself concerned about people downloading and using your assets without paying?
frank escarp
unreal engine networking is the easiest on all mayor engines
but just happens that networking is a HUGE clusterfuck
so its still really damn hard
plush yew
I've seen a couple of sites that are basically working through the entire marketplace =_=
pallid compass
Yeah u can do that
clever basin
Hum
clever basin
maybe i need some assistance when it comes to networking ๐ฆ
pallid compass
Its not something someone can just carry you through
You need to understand how it works
clever basin
True
plush yew
There's some official examples of networking though.
fierce tulip
@plush yew I was , even filed a few dmca's. but its not worth any time or effort. people will pirate, and hopefully some of them will buy the package at some point.
frank escarp
just remember that multiplayer should be designed properly, and you need to know what you want it to do
plush yew
They're worth checking out, the official stuff always is.
frank escarp
prototyping multiplayer is highly problematic
frank escarp
you need to think about what stuff is client, what is server, and how they communicate
fierce tulip
also, not worth the stress
clever basin
Hmm
It's best to start working out the network stuff before I even start work on the game itself, yeah?
pallid compass
Yes & no
frank escarp
you need to make your game with multiplayer in mind from the start
pallid compass
Yes you need to setup for network, but no because you need to know how your game is going to function.
clever basin
Yeah
frank escarp
and have an idea of how are you going to design it
clever basin
The whole thing is designed and prototyped in a different game
Think Gmod
though not gmod but similar
as a gamemode
pallid compass
Bringing an idea from one thing to ue4
Is not design
You need your design down to the core, or at least your foundation
or its gonna be super problematic
clever basin
hmm
pallid compass
My big advice, go try build some basic stuff related too it, then build some multiplayer stuff for testing
Really get your head around it first
It will pay off later on
Then go and do your project.
clever basin
I see
pallid compass
Most people in here will help you, but id advice you get your foundation right first ^^
plush yew
Yeah, I guess that really isn't worth your time to be concerned about, but I guess it would be nice if Epic offered some kind of help on that front.
pallid compass
You cant run before you can walk you know?
clever basin
Yeah, I'm thinking if I jump right into designing my huge fuckoff project right before even understanding how Unreal Engine works I'd just be crippling myself
plush yew
Yes.
pallid compass
"im going to design a plane with out knowing how the principle of flight works"
You can go that root, but expect it too be brutal and time consuming
clever basin
I guess like the problem is I'm just so very used to that particular game I designed the gamemode for
frank escarp
and UDK did not have good multiplayer docs
so i had to reverse engineer some other udk games to see how they worked
like chivalry
clever basin
That I need to get outta my comfort zone
pallid compass
Principles for multiplayer are pretty simple, its just wrapping your head around it thats hard
fierce tulip
@plush yew you can report piracy to epic, and they sometimes do help out. but in general its a /shrug kind of deal for them as well. and sadly looks at the 30% we pay em they should do more imho. but well.. /shrug
clever basin
Thing is, I can learn pretty fast
heck I managed to get my head around Blender way faster than expected
plush yew
THIRTY? Jesus, for that much, they should be stalking them like the goddamn Predator.
pallid compass
blenders ez
fierce tulip
hehe
plush yew
Humble Bundle takes way less.
pallid compass
i do around what, 9-12 hours ue4 praticle aday and 2 hours reading
plush yew
Even steam takes less, IIRC.
empty adder
Do any of you guys use POLIIGON?
clever basin
hmm
I'm not doing much things UE4 other than talking about it atm so I think that should change for a start
plush yew
I think HB is about 5%, and if you go via their widget, you get it all.
clever basin
Perhaps to get started I should just... iunno, tinker with the damn thing
like a toybox
figure out how things work
with no specific project in mind
Maybe I should start screwing about with existing things and changing how THEY work
plush yew
Check out the official network examples.
clever basin
That's how I got into modding games, so why not do that with prefabs
Yeah like that western shootout thing
pallid compass
u should learn to print to the screen
clever basin
I should make characters move!
pallid compass
before u do anything
then learn how the base stuff works
this isent something u can dive in too and understand in afew months trust me
plush yew
Too noob, learn by making Elder Scrolls Online 4.
pallid compass
my point being, dont set your self up to fail as it can be rather harsh
plush yew
They'll have definitely gotten to at least the 3rd one by then ๐
plush yew
If you want to make an actual game, make a very well scoped game.
Think about what you want to do, like, 2 or 3 things you want to do in your game, and then do only those.
Don't Star Citizen, where you play another game and go "WE GOTTA DO THIS TOO"
clever basin
rofl
frank escarp
Star Citizien: the Dangers of feature creep
clever basin
or Space Station 13
plush yew
Creep?
frank escarp
more like avalanche
plush yew
CREEP?!?!
clever basin
lol
plush yew
Yeah.
clever basin
The game I want to make is inherently designed for multiplayer tho
plush yew
Feature Cascade.
clever basin
And it's already got a very solid and working prototype
Not in any particular engine though
It's just pissing me off that the community for that game is very immature
wary wave
is there a suitable staffer to ping about my BP bug? It's a pretty serious one and I posted it on the Answerhub over a week ago now
clever basin
yeah
pallid compass
u planning to sell this
pallid compass
gotcha
clever basin
Imagine a murder mystery
plush yew
The Ship.
clever basin
Hm
pallid compass
UE4 is not some pick up engine
plush yew
I've never even played The Ship, but I apparently own it.
clever basin
The Ship I find very boring
plush yew
If you're going to use BPs it is.
pallid compass
id do it in some modding software
clever basin
Yeah
plush yew
If you have a basic understanding of code, and you're going to use BPs, then I don't see why you can't just pick it up and roll with it.
clever basin
I might move on to Gmod
pallid compass
but your planning to go hella deep just for that
clever basin
HMmm.
pallid compass
read through the networking comp i sent before
clever basin
It's easier to build my own community in Gmod than it is in this dead ass Blockland game
pallid compass
then see if u still wann do it
clever basin
oh I know how fuckin batshit insane Networking is trust me
plush yew
Oh yeah, I forgot networking.
clever basin
I'll read all about it
clever basin
well like
pallid compass
the way they handle it
clever basin
I'll read that article you sent me
plush yew
In that case, it's definitely best to work in a preconstruct, if it's not necessary to build from the base up.
clever basin
Doesnt' Gmod suck at melee tho?
Honestly I'm willing to learn what it takes to make a multiplayer game
pallid compass
Im not implying you are not
clever basin
Preconstruct, you mean something like Epic's first person example?
pallid compass
But i dont think u have a good grasp of how deep your trying to go
plush yew
I meant more like Gmod.
pallid compass
why dont u try getting a single player sword game to work
clever basin
That game is fucking dead
plush yew
Something that you're ontop of the upmost layer, and you just have to write some nice scripting.
clever basin
hum
plush yew
Or you could check out the store.
pallid compass
U can do the multiplayer, if your winning to put in around a year bare minium
plush yew
Aren't there some really good market place modules for multiplayer?
pallid compass
remember your gonna need assets, testing, debuging, sounds, etc
clever basin
Honestly I don't even need anything that hasn't been done before multiplayer-wise
pallid compass
not really
clever basin
The Ship is a good example of the kind of multiplayer engine I'd want
plush yew
"Multiplayer Melee Combat System"
pallid compass
depends what u mean by that delete
clever basin
by "melee combat system"
I don't mean super hyper complex melee combo fighting game fuckapalooza
I just want
you click
you swing weapon
clever basin
tru
pallid compass
Wait how fast can u move?
plush yew
Why does the launcher not have the ability to copy links.
pallid compass
u gonna be playing this over the internet right?
clever basin
Yeah
clever basin
Oh yeah for sure
pallid compass
witch is just ugh, dont even wann talk about it
clever basin
And client interpolation
plush yew
Right click the background = no context menu to copy the link for the page I'm on >_>
pallid compass
yeah its bad to buy things like "multiplayer melee combat system"
Like
How are you really gonna use it
if you dont understand it?
clever basin
^^^^^
pallid compass
it would need to be super tailored to what u want
clever basin
why spend $$$ on something you don't even understand
pallid compass
otherwise u might end up with a fuck storm
plush yew
Uh, that would be the point of buying it.
Not understanding it would be the point of buying it.
pallid compass
Just being able to read and copy bp/c++
clever basin
๐
pallid compass
does not mean you understand it
plush yew
Okay, I'm not going to learn how Cel Shading works, for example.
pallid compass
it will give you a jist yeah but you know
clever basin
Oh I get what you mean
plush yew
I'm going to buy one of the Cel Shading options.
pallid compass
Your prob gonna end up with shit lighting and post processing then
as cel shading can get complex with light management imo
u would deffo say you need to understand how cell shading works if your going to use it
plush yew
I'm not saying I won't alter it, I'm just not going to do it from nothing.
pallid compass
so you can composite your scene right
things like systems like that imo u need to understand
plush yew
Why reimplement the wheel.
pallid compass
But you dont need too understand things like char models, animation packs(unless your retargeting), sounds, textures, etc
Its not about reimplementing it
If you dont have a grasp on how cell shading works
how the hell are you gonna light your scene and composite it
i do get what your saying though! i just dont think cell shading is good example
frank escarp
multiplayer melee combat is hella hard
clever basin
@frank escarp Even simple one?
pallid compass
Do u know how cell shading works?
plush yew
It's ADVANCED, so that obviously will resolve all my problems.
pallid compass
U cant just cell shade with normal lighting
plush yew
But it's advanced.
frank escarp
now that you can do shaders on a plugin
its possible to have an ACTUAL cel shaded shader
plush yew
If it won't resolve these problems, how can it be advanced?
pallid compass
can u do that now vblanco ;o
i made few cell shaders before, there pain in the ass sometimes to composite with lighting
plush yew
I remember seeing a thread asking for that, but it made it into 4.16?
pallid compass
oh god vblano could u imagine building melee combat system for multiplayer
and a good lag compensation system
id cry
frank escarp
i definitely could do a cel shader plugin
might look at it
the shader is simple to do, but the integration would be the annoying thing
frank escarp
i could sell that on the marketplace
pallid compass
people would love that
frank escarp
yes, that would be the whole point
pallid compass
i know the advance plugin he linked before
frank escarp
as it would not use the normal deferred rendering
pallid compass
has issues with forward shader
frank escarp
thats just a postprocess
pallid compass
causing dips in fps and shifting to projection mode
plush yew
Oh, it's happening in 4.17? Still, that's cool.
plush yew
You mean the version where we finally inter Unity?
pallid compass
what ๐
plush yew
Unity gets put into the ground at that point.
pallid compass
prob lmao
plush yew
I mean, there HAS to be a point where they accept it's over, and just give up.
pallid compass
yeah ue4 is just
too good
Thats what you get when the engine developers also develop games i guess
and alot of community work
plush yew
Well, not just that, but it's usable out of the box.
Unity is just the freemium engine.
Unity: It's what Nexon would have done.
Like, the entire point of Unity isn't to make games, it's to sell you crap from their asset store.
plush yew
The engine comes with no basic assets when you open it up, so you almost certainly end up in there, and then you're immediately assaulted by their bundles.
It's a microtransactional game engine.
pallid compass
thats awful
plush yew
And then!
pallid compass
i had no idea it was that bad
plush yew
It doesn't even have UE4 comparable importing.
You know how when you import some assets, they just work?
In Unity, that's a pipe dream.
I imported some terrain directly from the store, it didn't even texture it.
It gave me the texture though, lucky me.
Any time I think "Man, I'd love to use C#, my language of choice..." I remember that time that it took them years to put in runtime control binding support.
And somehow, I find the strength to say no.
frank escarp
you are completely right
they havent done a material editor
or visual scripting
becouse they prefer to get the cut from those packages
vanilla unity is worthless
like completely worthless
you need a bunch of addons to get stuff done
plush yew
Unity was outright jaw dropping for years.
frank escarp
i see it more as a framework
much more customizable than ue4, you can create new editor tools/plugins/etc without much issue
plush yew
Why?
Why would anyone use it?
There's MonoGame, an open source, free framework, that almost certainly has better support.
If you're going to make a game in Unity, you can certainly make it in MG instead.
feral echo
Unreal also moving to a moment when marketplace will be filled with various stuff, as Unity today.
plush yew
No.
Unreal is an engine you can use out of the box.
Unity is an engine that you can purchase the rest of, from their store.
frank escarp
monogame doesnt have an editor
feral echo
you an use Unity from the box too.
frank escarp
it doesnt even do 3d
plush yew
What?
frank escarp
not high level i mean
plush yew
You can instance ._.
frank escarp
its like telling people to go make their engine with C++ and Ogre
well, worse than that
plush yew
It's at the same basic level as Unity, if you mean for the actual developer, writing code.
It also does 3D, as did XNA before it.
Although, I'd grant that if you want to instance, you have to actually know what you're doing, but that's the same for Unity now, from what I've seen of their documents.
snow spindle
Hello, do you know if there are some problem with Windows shipping? We updated our project from 4.12 to 4.16, fixed all errors, but still we can't build our project. Crash with this error -->
frank escarp
@snow spindle start again
and th real error is above
look at the whole cook log
search for the word "error"
and for the update, update version by version
and test each
snow spindle
noone "Error" appear
plush yew
In the text file that it mentioned in your picture, there's no error at all?
plush yew
I used to get an error 1 for something in VS, I forget what, and just running the command manually with an admin prompt resulted in success.
Actually, it might have been that it couldn't open some file, come to think of it.
cursive dirge
@plush yew don't mind vblanco, he has very biased opinions
plush yew
@cursive dirge Strong opinions are better than no opinions though.
frank escarp
you can also try to "reset". By deleting Intermediate, Saved, and Binaries
cursive dirge
@plush yew if they are correct, yeah
snow spindle
I did this too
frank escarp
my opinions are from the stuff that happened to me. If im wrong i try to switch
plush yew
So, you can hold a wrong opinion, but you can't state it as fact.
frank escarp
oh but i wasnt bashing the renderer
frank escarp
what i mean is that unity by itself is nowhere near as good without plugins. As a whole
everyone allways gets a bunch of plugins and customizes the engine a bit
frank escarp
that is completely true
plush yew
But it does a LOT, immediately.
cursive dirge
yeah, if you can use it that way
plush yew
Unity doesn't even import from the asset store well.
frank escarp
now that you can do shaders in a plugin, maybe i try doing a cel shading plugin
plush yew
Can I get a plugin for that? =_=
cursive dirge
I agree that Unity should have some shader editor built-in though
frank escarp
an actually good one, not a hacked one through the postprocess
cursive dirge
it's not that they haven't tried to make it happen in past
frank escarp
they have their text shaders wich work like the ue4 ones, or even directly gpu
cursive dirge
they've hired the first person who made a shader editor for unity and tried hire and license tech from the next guy
cursive dirge
I dunno what happened on that one though
cursive dirge
amplify shader editor is actually really good
snow spindle
doesnt work either ๐ฆ
cursive dirge
it's 10x UX if you compare to shader forge IMO
so smooth
they should license that one
they actually gave that as part of their subscription for a while
plush yew
Please welcome @north fractal to the community! :beers:
keen birch
Thing is
FOr large projects, Unity is unstable as fuck
(On some i7 CPU with 16GB RAM and a GTX 1060)
Like, people here complain about the Blueprint corruption bug, right?
Unity has a bug that corrupts every single unity asset in the entire project (every asset that isn't raw code or art like models and textures)
And as your project grows, the likelyhood of that happening increases
We've had it happen twice so far
THen there's the constant freezing of the camera, lagspikes upon clicking something in the inspector even if it's a tiny value
I can go on, but the point is probably clear
Unreal is a long way ahead of Unity in usability for any decently sized project, in my opinion
gaunt frigate
cursive dirge
what? ๐
only thing you can even corrupt in unity is the map file, or their meta files but the assets themselves are safe, in Unreal, if you corrupt your blueprint (script), you lose your work, try that with text based c# script in unity. Also, "blueprint corruption bug" is kinda funny way to put it as I know tons of ways I can corrupt them, by using ue4 as "designed".
also, you probably haven't heard what happened to solus when it got bigger?
I dunno if there's still similar limits if you stick too much to blueprints
also, UE4 editor is one of the most unstable software I've ever used, if you use landscape tools, you get random crashes (unless they've recently fixed that)
and since 4.12+, you get really long random freezes in the editor, like you just can't do any kind of debugging when that starts to happen
it's so bad I moved ALL of my blueprints, even trivial ones into c++
I could go on but my point is probably clear :p
but..comparing engines is silly, I shouldn't even reply to these things, it just often feels people unfairly mock the other product while all products have their own pros and cons
best engine is the one what suits your workflow and where you get your stuff done
even if it's game maker
๐
keen birch
Of I certainly know UE4 has its fair share of problems
So far they're just far less problematic in my case than Unity's problems
Everyone has their own take on it, though, since everyone needs the engines to do something else
This is just my take
plush yew
Please welcome @tranquil oracle to the community! :beers:
Please welcome @hardy oracle to the community! :beers:
Please welcome @exotic karma to the community! :beers:
Please welcome @wicked turtle to the community! :beers:
next badger
what's new on 4.17?
plush yew
next badger
still no niagara -_-
plush yew
On the Unity vs UE4 front though, my main problem with Unity is just that it really just doesn't bring much to the table, when compared with even MonoGame, but you still have to pay for that, and it's all really just a ploy to shove you into the asset store.
There's loads of small inconveniences with Unity, but it's just maddening that they expect to ship me a barely functional engine (when compared with UE4), and have me buy or program the rest.
Plus, is there any update clause on their store's assets? If not, and a user decides they're done updating their product, it then falls to me to keep it functional.
next badger
well, updating the assets on the MP is a ... pain in the... just imo
plush yew
Not to mention that they only JUST got their shit together, and added in instancing support.
Before, their documentation on it was like "If you use the same materials, and the engine decides it should do it, it will."
I'm like "Great, but my shader DEPENDS on KNOWING this."
whole quarry
So youre saying unity sucks and ue4 is epic?
plush yew
Or by Epic?
next badger
@whole quarry no, he says, UE4 has it's Pros, and Unity it's cons ๐
plush yew
I just think that UE4 has a lot more going for it.
Especially going forwards, and with it being open source.
whole quarry
We're in unity that UE4 is awesome
plush yew
If you want something slightly out of the box on Unity, like I was describing, you're up the very smelly creek.
Yeah, I was just following up with that discussion that we started earlier, but I had to leave, to go get my mouth assaulted :<
next badger
@plush yew yep, that's why i prefer ue4, maybe it's not the greatest in something, but it always could be made one
whole quarry
There is only one thing that misses in ue4, and thats full BP exposure, which grows with each update
Imho that is
plush yew
I feel like Epic really has an interest in what their customers want, as well.
whole quarry
Our succes is their succes, making a mutual benefit
plush yew
I mean, that's just good business sense, but you see other companies who try and dictate to you what you want.
next badger
@plush yew well, Epic eats they own dog food, while Unity doesn't
plush yew
/endless stare at MS.
whole quarry
And so far, after 2.5 years, i still find the communitu awesome
next badger
@plush yew not /apple ??
plush yew
I don't use apple products though.
next badger
pwahaha
plush yew
I'd never use an apple product, it's over priced garbage D:<
Plus, their app store is ridiculous, you have to have both an iPhone AND a Mac to develop an iPhone app.
Super dumb.
next badger
i love Apple products, but they are overpriced indeed...
whole quarry
I only use apple when my work demands it
plush yew
We got pretty off the topic of UE though.
next badger
back to unity vs ue4 holywar?
plush yew
Sure.
Can you guys ID a Unity game by playing it?
I watched 2 minutes of someone playing I Am Bread, and I was like "HAH. That was made in Unity."
whole quarry
Yea when its broken
plush yew
I legitimately didn't know going in.
plush yew
It's so harsh, but I'm HONESTLY surprised when a successful game is made with Unity, and is good/fun.
Like, Pillars of Eternity.
I dunno if we can blame Unity for Rust though.
whole quarry
Its easier to identify UE4 games
plush yew
They all look the same xD
whole quarry
If you mean with that awesome, yes they do
plush yew
I've heard a lot of people complain that UE4 games all look very similar, in terms of post processing, I believe it was.
Please welcome @dark sequoia to the community! :beers:
But, they're also more functional.
whole quarry
Yea thats true
plush yew
Which, I will take over "It looks okay, but it has physics and hitbox issues everywhere"
whole quarry
I think its also because most use the same toolings
Like how all Fuse characters look the same
plush yew
Hm, that would make sense.
cloud cobalt
I'd rather say it's easy to identify lazy UE4 developers who keep the defaults everywhere
Talented devs never have any trouble doing games that don't look straight out of the UE4 demos
clever basin
I bet when I start making games they're just going to be /boxes/
or very low-poly heavily stylized things
cursive dirge
heh
well, it's not really surprising that UE4 group has it's fanboys
I'm not really huge fan of any game engine I can get access to, they all have design issues or they have been so hardcoded it's not even funny
feral echo
@cursive dirge +1
sharp crest
So where is the guy that made the best plugin ever? (Talking about the organize graph plugin xD) Is it available yet?
pallid compass
jesus christ
plush yew
Please welcome @blissful ibex to the community! :beers:
grizzled needle
@everyone Hi, I am a programmer for 8 years and know C++, C#, C, Java, SQL and Python. Currently working on a project set to be released on steam (paid) with another person. We have the marketing ready and are in need of people. Send me a private message if you are interested
lost ember
sharp crest
Is there anything like this in Unreal Engine 4? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnhfcdtGM2E
digital anchor
i think you can just hit simulate, then save the position
cursive dirge
yeah
also wtf
somebody copied my idea? ๐
I did show a gif on unity channel though and it's not a hard thing to come up with
@sharp crest did this on Unity 2017.1 beta 1 :p https://www.dropbox.com/s/788bpnl4vjbm9wr/unity_simulate_physics.gif?raw=1
sharp crest
xD
Also, lame, are you using Unity?! xD
cursive dirge
I've used both Unity and UE4 for 3+ years
cursive dirge
what I did on unity is actually mimicing what UE4 does
yeah, we get that mentality in this group
bit same on Unity groups where people hate UE4
I wish we could get best parts from the both words tbh
that would be pretty great
like, freedom from Unity and some more advanced features from Unreal
digital anchor
only thing i wanted was C#
2 months and i still have no idea how to do stuff in c++
xd
cursive dirge
for example, I made that editor extension in really short time in Unity, I wish we could do same on Unreal
but there is a reason why we don't see 3rd party editor tools much on unreal
it's just so slow and tedious to develop them
and in past, they used to break when next version arrived
sharp crest
Plugins?
cursive dirge
I talk about extending the editor
like that gif I linked
I literally did a tool for the editor in few minutes with unity
in ue4, you are sent straight to slate-hell
cursive dirge
there's blutilities
but it's more of an idea than actually practical thing
in perfect world, they'd allow us to use UMG to design UE4 editor tool interface and then bind code to it
that would make it so much easier
now we get only the class property thing via blutilities, which is extremely limited (and features are too) or option to do it in c++ with slate
no docs for the latter then btw
sharp crest
In a perfect world, they would allow us to say what we want and it will go "Poof" and be ready for use :P
cursive dirge
if you look at unity asset store, it's full of workflow enhancing editor tools
if you look at ue4 marketplace, nope, you can't have it
sharp crest
Well, in Unreal there are a lot more built in stuff
cursive dirge
there's like few tools altogether
well, for specific things yeah, but they don't cater all
and existing things are super hardcoded so even modding them is royal PITA
if people could make their own things it would help the pain a lot
while it's possible now, nobody really does anything complex there as it's just not worth the effort
I dunno
sharp crest
Modding?
sharp crest
I made mod support for my game in 2 days in Unreal without any experience with it
cursive dirge
I mean, change the code from existing tools to do something you actually want them to do
not mods for the game itself
cursive dirge
like, we have splitscreen in unreal, but what if you want the splitscreen for 3 people be split evenly and not one half for one player and two smaller windows for the rest? want to assign keyboard for one specific player that's not player 1 (0)?
or want to have PP effects in splitscreen
to make any of those happen, you have to change the engine code
although, that's actually now modding the engine, not the editor
just an example why hardcoded stuff is painful
then again, we do have engines that doesn't even support splitscreen at all, like cryengine ๐
but for example, in unity, you just tell the coordinates where each camera renders and you can have all control over it
that's what I'd like to see in UE4 too
not some hardcoded stuff where you have to dig in deep into sources for almost everything you finally want
cursive dirge
yeah, I'll end my rant here
it's just, so much frustration from UE4 from these years it's kinda hard to not vent when people bash engines that actually don't have the painpoints UE4 has
some of you probably understand my points better after using the engine for few years
sharp crest
I dont ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ Been using Unreal for about a year and a few plugins has solved most of my problems xD
frank escarp
thet grass is allways greener
there is no perfect engine
even if i like ue4 more than unity, im doing a prototype for a game in unity, becouse it might just be better to do it there
cursive dirge
yeah, I mentioned that earlier today
frank escarp
there are a couple pain points in ue4 that fuck with what i want to do
cursive dirge
all engines we get access to have some serious flaws
sharp crest
Yea sometimes it just depens on the project
cursive dirge
that's true too
frank escarp
thats why i went annoyed as fuck with the "vanilla unity is useles"
cursive dirge
I'd never make a mobile game in ue4
frank escarp
becouse im using vanilla unity for the prototype
and i feel it lacking on so many levels
cursive dirge
I don't really feel like vanilla Unity requires anything but shader editor and better terrain shaders
frank escarp
did they change their input system?
frank escarp
it was such a goddamn pain in the ass
cursive dirge
ok, well maybe you want to replace input too
frank escarp
compared to ue4 where i can just have my input mappings and thats it
cursive dirge
but input is also a huge pain in the ass even in ue4 for my use
so I don't see it any different
no engine gives me input I need
frank escarp
what do you need?
cursive dirge
I need directinput with force feedback for wheels and xinput for vibrations
ue4 gives latter
raw input in ue4 is really raw still, and no FFB
also I don't like how ue4 hardcodes the inputs for multiple local players
it's easy if your players just have gamepads
then it works nicely
watching the stream, they mentioned 4.17 is targeted at early August
and for the input, you can get FFB working yourself, it's even pretty easy if you use logitechs sdk, but the point is that you have to still use something extra for it (and same applies to other engines here too)
cursive dirge
?
sharp crest
cursive dirge
yeah, other gets you a copy
sharp crest
Whats the regular one? xD
glossy flame
Before 4.16 the get node was by copy only
cursive dirge
really?
glossy flame
Yeah
sharp crest
Hmm ok so what does the ref give? xD
cursive dirge
would have expected it to reference but yeah, I'm not surprised ๐
feral echo
yeah, it was so painful for me as c++ programmer lol
glossy flame
Yeah there was a huge "bug" thread where set members in struct didn't work if you got it from an array, it lasted like 2 years
sharp crest
Looks like the copy one is the regular by the output icon too
glossy flame
I don't think anyone really realized the array was outputting by copy ๐
digital anchor
๐ค
glossy flame
In fairness before there wasn't any way to not get it by copy
glossy flame
So it was somewhat of a missing feature, but not exactly a bug
Yeah, basically get by ref allows you to change the original object in the array
BP hides the concept of copy and reference for normal objects, as it looks like you pass an actor by ref normally
Really what you're doing is passing a pointer to it by copy, but BP doesn't show that
sharp crest
Cool, good to know ty
sterile cairn
Anyone know what the Interp Speed on the _InterpTo nodes corresponds to? I didn't really see anything online about it.
cursive dirge
that's just what the page tells you
interpolation speed
basically it means how fast you get from current to target
sterile cairn
Yeah. Is it seconds, units per second, etc?
sterile cairn
Its not clear at all about what it is doing behind the scenes in the math.
cursive dirge
if you want to know what it does, just check the code behind it
that's what I always do if I wonder these things
sterile cairn
It sucks that we can't right click the node and get the corresponding code.
It used to be like that. ^
cursive dirge
well, it's probably in the kismetmathlibrary anyways
KISMET_MATH_FORCEINLINE
float UKismetMathLibrary::FInterpTo(float Current, float Target, float DeltaTime, float InterpSpeed)
{
return FMath::FInterpTo(Current, Target, DeltaTime, InterpSpeed);
}```for it uses fmath
glossy flame
It's not that simple though
plush yew
Fuck this program.
glossy flame
As the distance delta depends on the magnitude of the distance itself
It's not linear
cursive dirge
well, speed is relational to your distance
glossy flame
Yeah ^
feral echo
I mean, multiplying delta time with speed value gave you sm/sec movement?
cursive dirge
anyway, you can see what it does there
plush yew
Apparently two fucking files that aren't related to the world made me go back fucking 10 days of my work.
feral echo
ah, yes, I got you point @glossy flame
cursive dirge
basically it's just same as return (Target - Current) * DeltaTime * InterpSpeed;
sterile cairn
Thanks, I managed to find it in the code. It just multiplies the delta time and speed value together.
cursive dirge
clamp is there just for some odd failsafe
sterile cairn
Well, anything * 0 is zero and would do nothing.
cursive dirge
well, it clamps out negative speed to 0
glossy flame
If InterpSpeed was too high it could go too far past the target position, that's what it's there for
cursive dirge
we actually talked about this in the past
basically if you get 1, you move the whole distance already
so, it kinda explains it
and they make assumption that you don't want to move away from target by clamping to 0
although it's kinda odd that they don't allow it
but it makes the failsafe more complex
so it's easier to just put 0 there
plush yew
Please welcome @crimson skiff to the community! :beers:
sharp crest
Doesnt work ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ @glossy flame Adding to any of these arrays still doesnt work http://prntscr.com/fvckav
Using the get by ref
glossy flame
Actually I'm not sure if a break in BP returns its members by ref or not
Dunno, but you're definitely getting the struct itself by ref
sharp crest
doesnt work with set array element too ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
hmm let's try with set memebrs in struct I guess
oh wait no, then it will just be like the old way I did it which is less efficient ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
#NotFixed xD
glossy flame
I don't see an issue with breaking and then setting the member
plush yew
Please welcome @short onyx to the community! :beers:
glossy flame
If you have to use the old value to affect the new one, you'll have to get the old one no matter what
short onyx
Helloooooooo ๐
sharp crest
Setting the memeber is the old way I did it before the update too and it works, but then I have to make a temp array and add it to it and then use it to set it
Hey @short onyx
Love your emotes in the name xD
short onyx
Thanks :3
stoic moth
quick question about c++, isn't it enough that i mention the path in the .h file to all the components i'll be using ? do i also need to include the headers in the .cpp file ?
this code compiles OK but Resharper keeps saying it's not good
frank escarp
@stoic moth try to avoid that
stoic moth
not sure how to refresh it
frank escarp
resharper gets bugged, allways ignore those messages
only trust the final compile log
btw, its best to forward declare the components
and then you do your #includes on the cpp
this is a LOT faster to compile
once the project grows
and you dont need to do this
stoic moth
forward declare as in type "class UArrowComponent MyVarName" in the .h file ? and leave out the .h includes ?
frank escarp
you should be able to do "#include "Paper2d/Paperspritecomponent.h"
do you have the paper 2d module on your build.cs?
as Dependency module or similar
stoic moth
yeah
stoic moth
was following a utube Official Unreal tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyXq0Hy9xQs&feature=youtu.be&t=19m53s
aha ok
frank escarp
this is what you need to do on the build.cs
see how i have the Morpheus and GoogleAnalytics added?
those 2 are plugins
it would be the same, but with paper2d
frank escarp
yeah thats good
brave drift
Anyone has idea about this error? Im getting this after i switch to 4.16. For first time, after hot reload with vs2017ent it was happening and i had to restart editor or re-pin all bp. Now it happens even if i restart...
LogLinker:Error: BPGC_ARCH_FOR_CDO_[%ControllerClass%]Controller_2 has an inappropriate outermost, it was probably saved with a deprecated outer...........
frank escarp
oh god no
that error
to fix it. Close ue4, compile your code in visual studio (deleting Binaries helps), and then resave the blueprint
its super fucking annoying
brave drift
Yah did that :/ I was doing it also before.... but now its not working when i try to pack my game
If i pack with nativization bp / compress / cook everything / shipping, it works good... but when i disable thoose to fast pack, it gives me this error -.-
Soo weird
sharp crest
oh man these errors are so annoying
Try to go to the blueprint, press CTRL + A and then refresh nodes, fixes the problem for me most of the times @brave drift
halcyon marsh
hello little question why in my empty map ue4 add my actor in an other map ?
violet cove
Anyone know why my view is greyed out like this?
Only happens when I use detail lighting view
halcyon marsh
See ?
brave drift
@sharp crest thanks, i was doing refresh nodes and it was continue to warn errors after hot reload yah... But now im getting this while packing ๐ฆ never got like this before and didnt solve anything... Hope it will fix, deleted all settings that i have compiling again now ๐ฆ
south ridge
@halcyon marsh what do you mean?
sharp crest
Never works deleting saves and stuff for me xD @brave drift
halcyon marsh
i play with my new map which is empty
but when i play i have the actors from an other map
violet cove
Seems to be a bug with vertex painting
brave drift
Last chance ๐ nothing left to try :/
south ridge
No you don't lol
Yellow actors are runtime actors, created after map has started
UE4 creates them to set up game state and stuff
digital anchor
probably got defaultpawn it will spawn then
sharp crest
@brave drift is it a BP?
brave drift
@halcyon marsh If you dont want any actor to spawn just make default class to null. Than you need to spawn manually
halcyon marsh
what class i have to change ?
brave drift
@sharp crest C++ project just widget side is bp
halcyon marsh
i dont understand because the map is empty
digital anchor
sharp crest
I mean the file thats making the error is a BP? @brave drift
digital anchor
@halcyon marsh the DEFAULT CLASSES get spawned AUTOMATICALLY
brave drift
Ahh nopee bp
sharp crest
@sacred crater Can we get #ue4-general2 pls? xD
halcyon marsh
i already change that
digital anchor
its set to "none" or something else?
something else = they are created on the map when played
none = they are not created
sharp crest
@brave drift Oh :/ Well I have a fix that 100% works in bps but not sure if it will work in C++ files
- Remove the file (Copy it to somewhere else first)
- Open the editor.
- Close the editor.
- Add the file back to where it was.
- Open the editor.
- Fix all of the missing references to the "old" file that you "removed".
digital anchor
good
brave drift
@halcyon marsh if you dont wanna use default framework, just implement your own without using unreal's... But its just need for some uniqe project. Otherwise there isnt any problem to spawn thoose auto... Thats just normal
halcyon marsh
not create also for the others map
digital anchor
well, then you can change on the gamemode
halcyon marsh
it changed it in all my map :/
digital anchor
halcyon marsh
in word setting
digital anchor
create a new game mode
digital anchor
so you can set one by one
halcyon marsh
i see
brave drift
@sharp crest just restarting editor and compile again after deleting old binaries was working before already... Now nothing worked
digital anchor
create a LOADING game mode, a SHOOTER game mode (or whatever)
brave drift
i said "just"... and doing too many works to fix xD hahaha
sharp crest
Oh wow, well what I do when I have these packaging errors and I have no idea how to fix them is I just make a copy of my project and start deleting files until the error disappears, but that takes a while, specially if you got a big project @brave drift
And then some other errors will probably appear cuz you deleted files so.. Mostly helpful with critical UAT errors that stop the packaging as soon as they appear
digital anchor
lmao
sharp crest
Edited, look at the second part
brave drift
Still same error... im just gonna delete this controller reference from that bp and make some public property to reference it staticly -.- really got bored
I hope they will fix (at least some stupid errors) and show more detail that if we make mistake on anywhere :))
sharp crest
Know that feeling ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ @brave drift
halcyon marsh
it means i have to create a GameMode for every level ? x) ?
sharp crest
I remember someone told me to download the debugging tools or whatever, spent a full day redownloading my engine to manage to download those, and it didnt help at all to understanding the error lol, added some info but wasnt helpful at all
brave drift
Output shows everything in background like
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): Cook: LogCookCommandlet:Display: SoundWave 0.00 0.00 0 0.40
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): Cook: LogCookCommandlet:Display: NavCollision 0.00 0.00 0 0.06
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): Cook: LogCookCommandlet:Display: DistanceField ......
But never tells where is the problem when it errors...
you mean symbols? it does help a bit but never gonna have real detail for important things on output console -.-
sharp crest
Yea symbols
xD
Honestly one of the worst thing about Unreal for me is these packaging errors, in the latest few months I'm getting one of them every 1 or 2 weeks and it takes at least one full day to fix them
brave drift
Nowadays its just like "Thanks goddd it compiled without errors!!" and call friends to celebrate it....
sharp crest
Yep, everytime I package I afraid something will go wrong, really
brave drift
@sacred crater this one...
LogLinker:Error: BPGC_ARCH_FORCDO[%ControllerClass%]Controller_2 has an inappropriate outermost, it was probably saved with a deprecated outer...........
sharp crest
XX has an inappropriate outermost, it was probably saved with a deprecated outer XX
:P
brave drift
We want that UE solve this, or at least give us more detail about why its giving errors
halcyon marsh
ahhh this is the first time i swith btw level ๐ก
sharp crest
Would wait a year without any updates just for them to fix this ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sacred crater
Epic staff is not in discord here to give support
if you want support on it you would need to go to the forums or answerhub
brave drift
We dont want any support, just searching for "why" as u asked ^^
sharp crest
Yea.. Cant really get a solution from someone else that dont have the source files about these errors
What did I tag you about
brave drift
new channel i think
sacred crater
General 2
sharp crest
Oh xD Hmm ok I guess lol
brave drift
I though she came for problem, anyway ^^
sharp crest
Prepare for the categories feature @halcyon marsh
brave drift
Compiled yeaaaaaaa
halcyon marsh
ok :p
sharp crest
Nice! @brave drift
brave drift
Thanks :))
sharp crest
Dont you love when a guy on your team says he will finish something until ___ and doesnt actually do it? xD
#IndieGameDevProblems
plush yew
If that's a regular problem you have, why do you work with that person?
polar hawk
@sharp crest Sounds like you need to https://open.spotify.com/track/28mv40MzspRZn0PBcO2itT
sharp crest
I'm more towards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g xD @polar hawk
@plush yew Because I dont find any other modeler
And he is doing stuff but very slow
digital anchor
does he know that
plush yew
Are you paying him?
digital anchor
that you dont like how he works
plush yew
That you're looking for a replacement.
digital anchor
telling us wont help but maybe if you tell him
polar hawk
Free labor is free labor
frank escarp
yup
sharp crest
Yep I know but cant pay atm, not until we release the game @polar hawk @plush yew
digital anchor
LMAO
plush yew
Right, but he's actually willing to do the work.
digital anchor
thats harsh
plush yew
For nothing.
sharp crest
Thanks for the motivation ๐ @frank escarp xD
frank escarp
usually artist do this stuff to build a portfolio and learn skills
sharp crest
^
digital anchor
i dont know bro, when i apply for a job, i do my best
polar hawk
Green names in this server are cynical af
frank escarp
not bad
plush yew
I'm white, cynical af about royalty shares.
frank escarp
but try to make that voxel generation a bit cooler
have you seen the no man sky talk?
safe rose
Yo, what's up with this Read-Only on Wins10 folder. I keep getting this Access Denied when Generating Project Files on uproject.s
safe rose
I've unchecked the Read-Only box in the whoel epic games folder, and applied.
digital anchor
i remember when i applied for a job as programmer, worked like 12hrs per day earning absolutelly nothing
plush yew
Have you seen the NMS talk where they talk about a game that they're going to release, and then, never release that game?
safe rose
Gave full access to everyone's permissions.
polar hawk
Is file in use :p
polar hawk
Are you surrrrrrrrrre
safe rose
I rebooted ๐
polar hawk
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
safe rose
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sharp crest
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Joining the ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ party
plush yew
I'm STILL irate that all the "major" game sites just ignored the fact that he DEMOED the game on some of their sites, and that demo wasn't even the game that came out D:<
(โฏยฐโกยฐ๏ผโฏ๏ธต โปโโป
digital anchor
โฌโโฌ๏ปฟ ใ( ใ-ใใ)
plush yew
NO.
digital anchor
;-;
plush yew
U NO RITE THE TABEL
sharp crest
.-_.-
polar hawk
safe rose
Was it even good?
plush yew
NO.
sharp crest
@frank escarp What lol
frank escarp
its a talk about formulas for procedural terrain generation
look at it, it might help you improve your voxel world generation
or give you new ideas
plush yew
It's boring, grindy, and has no purpose.
It's not a bad tech demo, but other than that...
It was so bad that basically every store just let you have a refund, no matter what.
sharp crest
Oh cool thanks I will take a look now @frank escarp
plush yew
I asked for a refund, and in literally 5 minutes after requesting it, it was done.
If that gives you any idea of the level of quality there.
sharp crest
@plush yew What are you talking about lol
plush yew
NMS.
digital anchor
i was so hyped for it
safe rose
See, this is the strange thing... other people have gotten it, but those steps don't work for me. And I removed all Anti-virus to make sure https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/356577/the-following-modules-are-missing-or-built-with-a-1.html
plush yew
It's not AWFUL, it's just basically none of the things promised.
sharp crest
Yea, "over hyped"
plush yew
But, what infuriates me is that gamers are blamed for being overhyped.
There's no "Well, he really didn't deliver...", it's just entirely the fault of gamers for listening.
Frankly, I only saw anything on it in the run up to the release, the week before it went out.
And even I was disappointed, having not been on the hype train at ALL.
Basically, what I saw was Murray playing the demo at one of the "major" games news sites, and I was like "Oh, that looks really fun!"
And the game is NOTHING like that demo =_=
I'm totally baffled by why there's not an Alien: Colonial Marines response to this.