and another one;
#fab
oak thistle
Question of how to enforce would be moot if they had a sane system, they could set it up so people who were registered for an upcoming sale couldn't change their price. But they don't presumably due to some combination of incompetence, and lack of incentive since it's making them more money.
oak thistle
Last sale, when I contacted them about it, someone had 10x'd their product the day before if I remember right.
hasty nexus
no but that guy that went from 24.99 to 99.99 with a 50% discount now his product is listed at 49.99. That's a piece of garbage.
the seller not the product
his product with 50% discount is worth double the price before the sale
merry field
Uhm, "his product with 50% discount costs double the price before the sale"
merry field
Exactly! π
hasty nexus
when i get angry my English betrays me
oak thistle
Maybe he expanded it with 4 times the content, then removed half at the last minute?
modern perch
well, went through the whole spreadsheet - there's only a few offenders in there, and I picked them all out above
merry field
@modern perch are you going to send a support tick to Epic with the list? Even though it's probably pointless.
hasty nexus
i'll keep it on my discord
oak thistle
Yup, I don't think anyone's claiming it's the greatest mass fraud ever committed. Just sucks that it keeps happening and Epic really don't seem to care.
merry field
It's a bit annoying from both a buyer and a seller perspective because it erodes trust in the marketplace
hasty nexus
of course it does. and the worse is that people are wasting their money on garbage and this kind of products that exploit the MP instead of them buying products from honest sellers.
eager kestrel
Keep in mind the spreadsheet is still updating the sales.
Over 5000 more to cycle through
It does about 200 every 5 mins.
Roughly 6 hours to go through all the assets
hasty nexus
i think it continuously iterate through the list. once it's finished then it's starting over again.
eager kestrel
The actual scanning of the marketplace is much faster. It scans into a separate database I created. Then I use my own API to read it into the spreadsheet which takes 6 hours to scan my database.
Google Sheets was way too limited, so made it into a widget essentially, just for display purposes, hehe.
hasty nexus
good job man. this is really cool. deserves way much more attention
@fickle basin go ahead and make a website, connect to his database and make it more friendly to navigate through.
:))
:))
eager kestrel
Crowdfund for my wish list and I'll turn it into a website, haha.
hasty nexus
you already compete each other :))
last prairie
This feels like a trap...
eager kestrel
I just fixed a problem in the spreadsheet where it was only changing colors when prices change, but it was also supposed to reset colors if no changes were detected in 7 days (and is not currently on sale).
hasty nexus
cool. that's great.
lone mountain
delicate dove
we get a range of percentages we can choose from
none of em includes the number 9 at all :p
marble orbit
I hope this is the right place to ask this.. but as far as "marketplace assets go" environments and props etc.. are the mac and pc versions the same? Do i need to worry about differences in the platform? or have to buy both versions if i'm using a mac and a pc?
hollow zephyr
I think the assets are tied to your account
shadow inlet
Hey folks, if you notice any signs of potential guideline violations or other misbehavior, please feel free to report it via the help site at https://marketplacehelp.epicgames.com/s. This helps the team track these issues and resolve them.
marble orbit
really.. how does it know which you have? what your logged in editor?
is there a way to just bring it over.. or save the project and open on mac?
that sucks!
and just copy the project over instead? and migrate the assets?
ahh so once they are downloaded it doesn't matter then?
ahh ok.. wanted to check before buying a few of the more $$ things
once you import into unreal on either platform your good then.. no matter where they came from eh? just a bunch of geo and texturemaps?
Ah ok.. good.. im sure ill find more props in the marketplace that are pc only
least i know the ones that say pc only and don't have equiv. i can grab and then use.. few... thanks!
Yeah.. pretty sucky of them..
Ill just use my pc remotely to grab stuff.. im building 3d virtual sets for puppets oddly.. doing things "mandalorian" style π
stiff pond
@dire ingot you can do it, I believe in you
dire ingot
thanks for your support
raven ferry
just 20 more pages
dire ingot
yeah same
graceful arrow
Checking the MP with the price checker... dear Gods. The number of price hikes done today alone is shocking.
graceful arrow
Well, that's a case logged with page that Amanda suggested. I'm not expecting much will be done. I directed them to slashin8r's API and instructions on how to use it to see what has increased and is on sale. We, the community should not have to police such things, and the fact that we have to is alarming. Perhaps Epic only cares about the 12% it earns, and does not care about the breach of trust it creates within the marketplace community?
thorny compass
Well, likely they don't have a person to monitor these half of its time. Also pumping up prices before sale is kinda... common.
graceful arrow
That's kind of the point though isn't it? If a community member can create an API that does it, why can't Epic?
eager kestrel
Shall I dump two weeks of pay to support all the efforts of our great seller community? I'm so tempted to clear this cart by completing the sale.
hasty nexus
don't buy more than you can afford
eager kestrel
You can't stop me! I hit the button! Muahahahaa. I see it as an investment, so all good. Will only cry a little when I see hit my bank account, hehe.
Had to test if it clears them from my wish list. It does. Good job Epic.
honest vault
oh well, 70% off on stuff I just bought a couple of days ago π€·ββοΈ
rapid shadow
I'm loving this sale but dear god I wish so much that Epic gave us the option of hiding or blocking sellers from appearing on the search results. This isn't malicious. Even from sellers that have products I want, I don't like seeing 800 of the same "type" of product from the same seller clogging up the search results. It just makes it harder to sift through stuff.
rapid shadow
@eager kestrel @graceful arrow How can I check which products were increased in price right before the sale?
eager kestrel
Price will be highlighted in red.
I'm still working on perfecting it. Some of the background colors got reset and they shouldn't have. In 6 hours (after another full cycle) it will be good again.
rapid shadow
Hrm? I'm not using your software or site or whatever ;p Where do I go? How do I use it? π
last prairie
eager kestrel
I guess someone had to remove their products from the sale:
@rapid shadow Pinned messages
eager kestrel
Product is no longer for sale.
rapid shadow
O
eager kestrel
I won't ever actually report anyone for their trickery, but I will continue to monitor their morals/ethics or whatever you wish to call it.
split iron
The prices on MP have increased vastly, did Epic change it so it reflects local currency instead of USD now? This would make sense since I'm in NZ
π€¦ Nevermind, just answered my question by attempting to buy an asset, it has changed to local currency
next badge
idk if this the right place to ask but ahyone know the ETA for 4.26
delicate dove
not really, but the answer is: when its ready
delicate dove
np :)
silent mesa
I think I am near my limit for this month. Would a december-new year sale be bigger? π
agile shadow
@silent mesa Probably not. Not even sure we will have one.
copper heart
Hi everyone! what are some assets that you would definitely recommend during this sale?
I'm a programmer so I mostly look for enviroments and props.
I'm currently working in a first person horror game (oh how original I know π) but I'd like to grab some assets that can fit in other projects as well. If you have anything in mind that is not your typical horror/abandoned props please let me know π
thorny compass
Depends on what you understand by horror? Messed up UVs? Bad textures? Too many polys, slow algorithms?
eager kestrel
Looks like music assets counted for over half the assets that price gouged for the sale. Kinda makes sense since I can't see music being a huge seller when it is one of the last things a developer would worry about and most developers here will abandon their projects before making it to that stage.
I am implementing a "blacklist" for the spreadsheet now. It will highlight a seller's name to let you know if they are worth trusting. Currently, it only highlights them purple, but I think I will create 2 separate blacklists (or more) for the type of offense. I can think of 2 reasons for blacklisting at the moment, price gouging during a sale and changing the price too often (calling this "variable price changes"). Some large sellers had 1 or 2 of their assets fall into these categories, but they are not being blacklisted since it makes no sense to punish them for 1 of 80 assets, etc.
last prairie
I find myself wondering if some of those people are basking in their own cleverness.
"I am so smart, no one will ever find out"
eager kestrel
@last prairie I'm sure everyone with a brain has thought of doing something like that, hehe. It is our morals that prevent it.
I could easily start the next Nigerian prince scam, haha.
last prairie
Yep, I was being facetious. You are right, most normal people will say "No, that is wrong and kinda slimey, I want to maintain a good reputation"
But you are the hero we didn't deserve. So thanks for your work on this.
eager kestrel
No problem. I buy too many assets to get scammed by the sellers here, haha.
hollow zephyr
@copper heart probably stuff by dekogon are the only props I would buy...and mine of course π
thorny compass
@eager kestrel what would be the criteria for the blacklisting?
I mean like in numbers.
eager kestrel
Currently, it flags it if you up your price a week before a sale. I then manually go through these to look for legitimate reasons the price went up.
I randomly find ones that alter their price multiple times per month too, this is pretty shady as well (just pick a price already! haha).
thorny compass
Hmm... an week is not much I think? How much time before a sale you have actually? Is it an week before asked?
eager kestrel
Of the 69 (yep 69) that got flagged this round, I found 2 that seemed like legitimate upgrades to their products.
modern perch
in the UK it would be illegal to change the price of your product, then put it on sale, if you changed it up to 28 days before the sale
thorny compass
Anyway, depending on what you do maybe add at least some visible commentary about how this is working. Will help people decide themselves. However, for me the best would be if I can just pull of data from your API and compose my own metrics π
eager kestrel
The week is just arbitrarily chosen by me. The spreadsheet will reset backgrounds on products that have no changes in a week, so it is mostly happenchance.
silent mesa
could we remove all the megascan assets in the launcher library? as this can be downloaded in quixel bridge right?
eager kestrel
@modern perch does Epic even notify its sellers that a sale is happening within the next 28 days?
I haven't gotten a product up for sale yet, so I don't know all the inner workings, hehe.
thorny compass
So, 2-3 weeks seems more plausible
eager kestrel
I could set the price highlights to stay for 28 days, but not sure if it is necessary for this. I'm not trying to take legal action on anyone, just measure morals/ethics.
thorny compass
Can't be just a formula? Like input 25 days and filter out the ones with change within that period?
eager kestrel
@thorny compass so many people would make the list for that and then I'd have to check up on way too many to see if the price increase was justified.
chrome bridge
oh where should that go?
chrome bridge
cool i'll remove it
thorny compass
@eager kestrel not sure I got it. My point was the user to be able to decide for himself how much days.
silent mesa
I am still not finished testing every asset I bought since yesterday.hehe I kinda feel like testing it so that I could give a review. So far in my exp. all are 5 stars. I feel sad seeing great products not having a review on how good it is. I guess some buyers just don't mind a review but it really helps other users as well
eager kestrel
@thorny compass Ah, I see what you mean. That would probably work well if I designed a website around the info, but I don't think Google Sheets will work too well for it. Searching through notes of cells is a pain.
thorny compass
Aah, I thought it some FILTER (E25, A:00) or some mumbo jumbo π
eager kestrel
Reviews are for scrubs! The questions are what you should look at. See how the seller responds.
I wish it was easy to filter it, but the date stuff is stored in the notes as a list. Not easy to do comparisons, although the scanning code does do this, I am not sure how a filter would do it.
white sierra
eager kestrel
lol
thorny compass
I remember, back before years, one dude did something similar as polling up a marketplace data. But his approach was to provide you with an API, so most people just pulled off what they needed. Anyway, do what you feel like. Just make it clear what it is.
eager kestrel
Everything is labeled in the notes of the headers.
thorny compass
I meant about that blacklist you think to do. Thank you for your work by the way, it is really useful π
shell flume
Alright fellas, what black friday stuff should I buy on the marketplace?
rapid shadow
I wish I had like a thousand bucks in play money lol. I really want to get a whole bunch of assets. I wish it was possible to demo assets. Of course I know why that would create issues. Not everyone is honest. I'd love to try out the Hierarchical Task Network Planning AI.
paper sundial
any good plugins at sale atm? i have dungeon architect and electric nodes atm
raven ferry
Node Graph Assistant. if you still doesn't have it
delicate dove
^
raven ferry
rdLodTools is cool depending on what you are working on
paper sundial
@raven ferry thanks look nice and usefull
late igloo
Anyone have recommendations for assets on the marketplace tailored to a multiplayer, TPS, open world game?
graceful arrow
That's not really much to go on. Is it set in a certain period of time? is it fantasy? Medieval ? World War 3? Post apocalyptic? etc etc.
what kind of assets?
late igloo
I have the environment finished and AI. I've been playing around with some templated for the TPS combat, It will be all ranged weapon based (rifles, pistols, shotguns, rockets, etc)...but I haven't found a kit that really nails multiplayer and TPS. So that i what I need as well as character assets (the main character you play and the NPCs)
graceful arrow
Without knowing what style you are wanting it's impossible for anyone to recommend anything. If you've already looked in the marketplace.. shrugs
late igloo
Desert environment, modern setting
eager kestrel
Some animation plugins I think I may try out: https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/profile/Hethger?count=20&sortBy=effectiveDate&sortDir=DESC&start=0
mystic hornet
that mirror plugin works great!
ripe imp
hey does anyone know what payement options does epic provide for marketplace publishers?
midnight monolith
when I go to add an asset pack, all I get are empty folders
how do I fix this
I added the asset pack once, removed it and tried to re-add it, all I get are empty folders
shows it downloading
I select yes
and all I get are empty folders
midnight monolith
forgot to reply, the folders do get set there but they are not visible by the editor, you have to close and re-open the editor to see them again in the editor
merry field
hey does anyone know what payement options does epic provide for marketplace pub...
They can pay into a bank account, or into your PayPal account
merry field
US Dollars in both cases, I believe
ripe imp
i was curious about that
north stirrup
Bank account: only in the US IIRC
If PayPal is banned in your country it's unlikely they can pay you at all sadly
hollow zephyr
bank account through iban and swift in europe
merry field
In Europe, there are some banks, like Revolut, which offer accounts in different currencies, rather than converting immediately, which is incredibly handy for things like this
north stirrup
I really don't want to think about how much I paid to PayPal in fees π¬
modern perch
most normal banks in Europe will offer accounts in different currencies if you actually ask
merry field
Fair, but it's automatic with Revolut
For us antisocial people who don't like asking!
north stirrup
Is Revolut UK only?
real dust
It isn't
Think as long as you can prove EU residence or identity you can get it
Bear in mind it's not a 'bank' bank, so if they go under your money isn't protected in any way
(Many EU banks fall under some sort of protection scheme so that up to a certain amount will be covered in case of the bank going down)
north stirrup
Interesting
merry field
Yes, that
Thought Brexit is going to be hassle for using them
They're going to be setting up here in Ireland next year - not sure if that means they'll be protected by the Irish government's β¬100k guarantee then or not
To sign up for one of the online banks (Revolut, N26, etc.) you need to show them your passport + photo (or do a video call where you hold up your passport, depending on which one.)
hollow zephyr
revolut moved to a Lithuania bank for my country, no more UK. they also provide a second bank account for local currency transfers
grim canyon
how is the black friday sale going? we were definitely down compared to earlier in the year but the black fridays sales have been top notch.
north stirrup
Not participating in the sale, but I'm seeing a spike in free downloads
grim canyon
interesting yeah. ill check our free content too. its a good observation point.
general eyeballs seem high
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/c456f4551dc9416cb9370707450f980e
This went from 600 to 1200 DL per day
so yeah.. even the free content 2x
north stirrup
Damn, and here I was thinking I was getting a lot of traffic with my 300 downloads today π
delicate dove
@gaunt lark could you please read the #old-rules before posting content? thanks!
gaunt lark
sorry bud
delicate dove
np!
steel patio
shell flume
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/c456f4551dc9416cb93707074...
Good just to get the female animations
quaint cedar
So, something I noticed is that we have sooooo many assets on that Store that are more or less the same.
Like, you have 50 Zombies and 50 Monsters and some Shooter Game Characters, but not so much generic Characters (playable) or something like Ghosts.
Whenever someone of you can't find something on the Marketplace, do you happen to have another place to go to? I checked itch.io, but that looks even more like a wasteland.
Animations also seem to mainly be generic movement (run, walk, crouch, vault) or specific to shooter stuff.
Audio on the other hand seems to have some good variety
thorny compass
I do think there are many PC products? Half a dozen at least π€ Which maybe is not like 20 skeletons π But this is normal for most games, PC is one vs tons of different monsters.
If I go to another market place, I'm very ware of what is the asset. Could be too many polys, not rigged or something.
worn oyster
there are megascan assets π
a generic hero prolly wouldnt sell as good as a generic enemy
sketchfab has some stuff for sale
artstation has a store
for animations mayB mixamo?
artstation has tons of free stuff for the hoarders amongst us
raven ferry
I usually go to cgtrader or turbosquid but the quality of the assets there ranges between awful, OK and ultra-high-poly-not-made-for-games
silent mesa
is this the best low poly platformer? I think it has a lot of mechanics and BPs.
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/platformer-development-kit-all-in-one
rapid shadow
That Platformer kit looks pretty cool
candid rivet
does anyone here use the voxel plugin from codespartan? comments make it sound like abandonware, and the documentation shows incomplete features, just curious for some personal anecdotes
silent mesa
Might as well use the free voxel plugin and save for the voxel pro.
candid rivet
no foliage in free and pro is just way out of my budget range
silent mesa
As far as I know there is foliage already in the free but im not sure if it has been released in the latest update in the marketplace but github has it. Correct me if i am wrong
candid rivet
oh interesting, i was just going by the comparison chart, i'll look into it, thanks
silent mesa
You can go to the discord channel for more info. The author and other members are quite active
strong vale
crap sorry. im not trying to spam, i just have a lot of these servers and i keep forgetting
but i'll make a note of it now, what was the correct channel again?
strong vale
oh, my bad! in that case i'll make a note to bypass this one for sales but keep putting new assets in released.
hollow zephyr
you have to wait until someone asks what to buy in marketplace sales and then you jump in and sneakily advertise your pack! π
strong vale
ahh gothca π some of these servers actually have an advertising channel which makes things easier
oh! you mean for the channel!
and i don't know, i don't run those channels...
grim canyon
Damn, and here I was thinking I was getting a lot of traffic with my 300 downloa...
The female robot was a much more intentional release from a marketing perspective. Our marketplace has already helped land us a pretty big multiyear defence contract so I can't say the marketplace cant have other purposes! (ie marketing!)
north stirrup
Hehe
grim canyon
I am constantly wondering though.. what else would be a good free pack?!?!
merry field
I think if you ask people that, they'll probably reply with "[The specific niche thing I would like to have]"
raven ferry
my specific niche thing would be some animations π
tiny jasper
hi, I need to clear my "Vault Cache", or re-locate it, whats the best practice? Can I just delete its contents via explorer?
raven ferry
go to settings in the Launcher
I don't know if it moves all the files to the new directory
either way you can just ctrl+x and move it via explorer
gleaming anchor
Is there a way to get the marketplace search prediction to take a chill? I type a word in and it comes out all jumbled because the prediction keeps butting in
thin turtle
Is it worth to buy it for the price? https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/third-person-weapon-combat-system
raven ferry
Is there a way to get the marketplace search prediction to take a chill? I type ...
type faster π
but seriously, it is really annoying π©
swift ginkgo
Is it worth to buy it for the price? https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en...
I picked it up and it's pretty good for the price and the amount of stuff included. Great for prototyping or quickly making a san andreas clone.
sweet geyser
hey creative folk, i am an artist and i make alot of assets anything from shaders textures meshes and animations, even coding sometimes.
i would like to ask all of you what kind of assets would you like to see more and buy? maybe premade hairstyles? low poly weapons? base meshes? materials? what would you like more in the market
thorny compass
Hairstyles/dresses... these are good, but too specific and hard to adapt. Not good idea I think.
sweet geyser
well i make alot of hairstyles dresses seem a good idea aswell thanks
long iris
If you buy assets on the unreal marketplace can you use them under a different name like if you had 2 accounts one for PG games the other for mature games? I heard you may get auto banned since they may think you didn't pay for the assets
raven ferry
if you bought, you can use in many games as you want and in any engine*
grim canyon
hey creative folk, i am an artist and i make alot of assets anything from shader...
my train of thought is the following.. can I give some one either the base "hero" of their project or the base "world" of their project or the base "baddy or objective" of their project. The logic being most projects never see the light of day so you need to be a pretty useful base object or easily compatible or part of a bigger set to get the eyes of someone just starting a project.
like the polygon packs.. you can basically make or at least prototype an entire game with those asset packs. They are quite remarkable.
overall its an odds game.. How many people will need unique hairstyles? maybe not as maybe not as many as a complete facial hair kit with variants on moutaches and beards all in a particular accessible style. (low poly or realistic for example)
and provide a BP kit to randomly or configureably apply those to the base ue4 skeleton?
now you are getting useful.
at least.. thats my thinking! ( I know.. opinions are dime a dozen!)
inland dust
@grim canyon The issue is that useful products = less profit. If developers have only one package they need to complete their game, that will translate to less profit for Epic and other developers. This is why they only let decentralized products on the market and decline anything worth having.
grim canyon
? I just gave an example that completely refutes that assertion
are there some examples though.. I would love to hear about it.
inland dust
it will get deleted due to censorship
grim canyon
can you be specific about an example? like is there a pack somewhere else that they didnt let on the marketplace?
this is a great example of a killer pack btw. (like it or not its as complete as they come)
I imagine its tough to balance as well.. I had a pack rejected that had more content than one of my other packs that was accepted.. but it was rejected for not enough content!
ridiculously well done all things considered.. mind blown
inland dust
I would be happy to discuss in dm. The mods do not like things out in the open.
grim canyon
thats fair.. smart answer to keep it in DMs
north stirrup
lol
inland dust
Maybe one day you will come around @north stirrup π
grim canyon
I guess its important to remember under the hood.. the marketplace and any EPIC property isnt a democracy
and yeah.. i do not agree with all of their decisions at all.
but its their house
and have to respect that
inland dust
Just remember we choose to support it
grim canyon
of course
I just find it very hard to believe their is malicious intent.. (although im open to being proven wrong) π
sweet geyser
@grim canyon thank you your opinion will help me alot
now i truly understand what people want
grim canyon
perhaps! Again.. just my opinion
inland dust
You are right. People want full systems to make their games that they can learn from. Not just some piece to it that will lead them nowhere.
delicate dove
I would be happy to discuss in dm. The mods do not like things out in the open.
we arent affiliated with epic, so not sure why you bring us into it
inland dust
It is more profitable to keep developers in the state of development as long as possible. This increases the sales on the market.
north stirrup
Epic should hire you, you clearly have great ideas on how to manage the marketplace
grim canyon
hahaha..well.. Im pretty sure epics goals in this sphere are to have more ue4 developers and get more games out on the engine
the marketplace is a negligible % of their profits
im fairly certain
inland dust
They are smart I give them that
grim canyon
this is really not their core profit center (i suspect) so what you are saying seems a bit of a stretch but.. again.. opinions are plentiful just like mine. π
maybe a specific person
with an axe to grind somewhere in the systel
system
inland dust
yea and that is why the discussion is so important to me but it seems there are people that do not want it
grim canyon
Well... If i was to employ occams razor in a situation like this.. given my business background..
I am going to guess.. someone submitted an asset or pack and got some feedback that somehow caused an escalation in tensions or a disagreement.
instead of coming to an agreement or compromise (perhaps one or more sides wasnt willing)
the tension ratcheted up
and is as of yet unresolved
that would be my guess
inland dust
well I think it more started on the intent of developing a system that would make all other obsolete and monopolize the market.
grim canyon
which anyone is free to do
inland dust
not when it is declined
inland dust
I could ask them for the email then forward it to you. I am going take off have a nice day everyone.
grim canyon
sure thing. take care!
graceful arrow
Well... that was enjoyable. Again . π
rapid shadow
There's a lot of vague commentary here π ;p
grim canyon
its even more vague than we think I think
hasty nexus
why sticking around if you're so unsatisfied with it? Epic doesn't force anyone to buy stuff. Not a single thing on the MP is required to make or ship a game. Saying Epic doesn't want you to succeed with your game so you can buy more MP stuff is plain stupid. If you ship games and release them on EGS they make more profit because the game store has more users than the marketplace, aside this, they can also make profit out of your success if you plan to release somewhere else, the fact that they charge you royalties when your game goes over 1 mil proves they strive for your success.
These "woke" users man... they're the problem.
merry field
I'm impressed by the super-project that would make all other marketplace assets obsolete
Maybe it's some kind of advanced AI that makes your game for you
merry field
Hah yeah probably that
"I downloaded all these assets made by other people, now I want to sell them all in a pack for $1!"
hasty nexus
there's no reason for epic games to reject a product other than 1. Not enough content. 2. QA and 3. Stolen assets
merry field
Yeah, I haven't heard of any cases of them rejecting something for no good reason
Well... okay, that's not entireLY true, I've had my own products rejected for no good reason, but the no good reason was solvable π
merry field
Well, in one case there were some issues with it, but instead of sending it back to me, they accidentally (?) rejected it instead
So I had to make the same product again and submit that (after fixing the minor issues), which was a bit odd
But that was clearly a mistake by the person doing the reviewing
hasty nexus
Human error. That's something else.
merry field
But I guess if there were cases where they were censoring them
We wouldn't know! Right?!!!
Because it would be getting censored π
hasty nexus
π
grim canyon
I suspect the creators think its super awesome and super duper but maybe even a little beyond the marketplace. (border on a toolset)
but epic doesn't completely agree.
inland dust
Take a look at the 2D channel lol so dead
inland dust
If you went to buy a car and they only wanted to sell you an engine or a tire, you would laugh at them. You would go to the place where you can get the full car.
hasty nexus
right, so what did you try to publish on the MP and what answer did you get from Epic that made you so suspicious?
what made you believe that this multi-billion company is working against you so you wouldn't break their revenue stream, even though they would totally take advantage of it as they would make profit from your incredible sales.
raven ferry
Crit wants to sell some game template or something and got rejected?
inland dust
Does not matter how it works what matters is where people will go
eager kestrel
It is actually how the entire world works, haha. I doubt there is a single manufacturing company that creates their product using only parts they manufacture. Take cell phones for instance. Samsung may be able to produce some awesome screens and lithium batteries, but where do they get the rest of the parts that go into your phone? Businesses make little parts and pieces, that is just a fact of the world. Then that same business may take many pieces from many other businesses and try to put them all together to make a product, sounds exactly the same as the unreal engine marketplace and game developers.
You are confusing consumer with developer. As a consumer, I want a finished product. As a developer, I want what will work specifically for my product, which may not be "huge asset pack A" because 90% of that pack may be useless to me.
inland dust
I just wish they would pay more attention to Paper2D but I guess talking about it means that I am bringing you guys into it so I don't have much more to say.
Apparently you have not seen any of the videos so oh well.
I have seen his posts
eager kestrel
Paper2D was censored out of the engine.
inland dust
I think that is the reason his studio will not let him post here anymore because his posts were getting deleted.
silent mesa
Finally found something useful.. clocks, countdown timer with custom events, and other BP features.
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/timers-clocks-and-counters-pack
silent mesa
and another very cheap product from the same author, with several of useful BPs.
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/steampunk-props-pack
delicate dove
paper2d was never finished because the few people working on it got (partially) pulled into working on other aspects of the engine. (it was mainly Nolan's baby)
also the general animo for it is rather small and niche if you look at the number of people who use it/want to use it.
for that reason --along with how amazingly solid it is-- epic gave polyart studios a nice mega grant to work on their paper2d replacement plugin.
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/pixel-2d-complete-2d-engine-for-unreal
which replaces paper 2d and makes their own 2d-plugin rather redundant.
as for it being quiet on this discord is --again-- its rather niche and not many people use it, and the majority of users moved to the pixel 2d community.
so... so much for your "not allowing things on the marketplace that makes stuff from engine obsolete" argument.
rapid shadow
I don't even think it would take much work for Epic to take over the 2D game indie space. They could honestly do it so easily imo
modern perch
eh, UE4 is grossly unsuitable for 2d games for the most part, so I'm not so sure about that
the renderer is extremely heavy
and totally 3d orientated which is a pain
inland dust
Thank you for the info but I don't agree with the last part and thank you for continuing the discussion. You are the one that brought it up so it is your bad not mine. Pixel 2D is crap end of story. If you were to compare the features of the "we shall not name", you would see that they both have their own uses. Point is that you have a 99 dollar product vs another that would have been 49.99 and in my opinion is blows Pixel 2D out of the water. They were streaming a* cell pawning today so the features keep improving. I am kinda glad they didn't split their product up. It gives more room to grow without Epics protection of their Pixel 2D they gave a grant to. Just my opinion.
and if you wanted just a peak at the market here you go. This should be more in line with chat https://twitter.com/DavidSpaceDuck/status/1329125128827850753
That is a lot of people that want this.
Just read the chat
well a simple search would have figured that out did you read who is the best troll of them all too?
I know truth hurts so what change the subject?
hasty nexus
so Epic Games rejected PaperFlip3D?
inland dust
Yea that is what people do when they do not like what they hear
hasty nexus
I'm pretty sure they rejected it because it failed basic QA or the code was traceable back to Lollo. You think Epic Games cares enough about that product to reject it just because they gave a mega grant to another 2D plugin? No one cares, trust me.
And i don't understand this random grievance for that PaperFlip3D. How do you know it is good? Do you have it? How did you get it if so? Are you sure it's not you the one that made it?
Oh, ok.
So his opinions are subjective. The plugin is a MP killer just because he made it.
Never heard of this user but then i'm not very often around here. Well, good luck crushing the MP. Can always go to Unity or Lumberyard. there are alternatives
real dust
So much for him changing the industry. Can't say I regret his departure.
inland dust
no Divivor your correct
delicate dove
still, with how shady this feller is and with how vague he is, im betting his illusion of grandeur having ego got hurt.
real dust
I really think this is just tinfoil hattery. There is absolutely no compelling reason for Epic to be trying to reduce competition on their marketplace. If something got rejected, it got rejected because the product had issues, or because the person reviewing the submission was having a bad day. Not because Epic has an overarching policy of evil monopolism
inland dust
I was taught if you don't have hatters your not doing something right. So, I am ok with it everyone.
hasty nexus
yeah, you're delusional Mattxor. take a break and you'll see it differently in a while.
inland dust
no it will
hasty nexus
No one hates you, no one plots against you, no one works against your success.
inland dust
I just don't like when I present facts and you change the subject
I do my best
You know the whole point of this was right?
no
it was to show the toxic here to others that are reading and I gota say. You all preformed great.
hasty nexus
fun fact, some times i randomly follow unreal engine streamers on twitch and earlier this morning i followed evil eye twitch channel without any knowledge about this fake drama
i unfollowed
no, he was not if that was him. just a quiet stream.
delicate dove
delicate dove
I need someone who is less biased to take a look at this chat.
hasty nexus
any Niagara stuff ready for MP Luos? did you get into it yet?
last time i checked still Cascade
delicate dove
i was afk for 8 months.
finishing two packs that are near done, then ill delve into niaga
hasty nexus
cool
ebon leaf
Dang. A lot of conspiracy theories running through this server today. First the EOS chat and now the marketplace chat. Whats next
hasty nexus
had ups and downs. still two days left then I'll know for sure
silent mesa
From the buyer side, well going broke. I feel there is no christmas or new year sale so I had to ramp it up now π€ͺ
And just promote stuff from the sellers hehe
ebon leaf
I've kind of lost motivation for game dev at the moment. So i might be sitting this sale out
hasty nexus
i've been lucky enough to be picked for Showcase rotation during this black friday sale event
so fingers crossed.
silent mesa
Hehe. Of course. I guess this hobby is addicting. I haven't bought any games lately just mostly stuff from the marketplace like bps, templates. Guess making games is a bit fun when you are entering your 30s, away from my actual career hehe
hasty nexus
I also like to purchase stuff from time to time. Stuff that i usually just experiment with
It can get addictive anyway. i get you π
if you're into medieval stuff i recommend you Atlant Games. they have some neat stuff
silent mesa
I just want to make horror medical games and medical gameplay mechanics for kids to learn science. I have a ton of ideas because its my career but doing all the 3d stuff from modelling to the actual gameplay is such a stretch. Good thing there are templates. Hehr
But I really do not regret buying these stuff from game dev sellers as long as it works. This is your line of work or part of it, at least its a support in a way
Sharing this stuff that I was afraid to buy since it is only up to 4.20 but it has all the gameplay mechanics i want that is interactive stuff. Such a good product
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/generic-interaction-component
Scared of what? Hehe
hasty nexus
probably you'll be able to easily make it work with latest version since it's pure blueprints
silent mesa
Yeah I already migrated it to 4.25. I used it with horror mechanics template
I just keep on checking out every interactive bp so that it gets stuck in my head
hasty nexus
oh, you got it already. cool
silent mesa
Btw, your mesh morpher is next on the things I would buy haha.
hasty nexus
awesome man.
delicate dove
mesh morpher?
hasty nexus
:D:D:D
silent mesa
Aside from divivor who also has a great asteroid product. Are you luos the maker of those cool elemental effects?
hasty nexus
i'm bad at creating videos. i made several showing functionality but it's above my skills :))
thank you tho
quaint cedar
I thought he's Yoeri
delicate dove
^ had an update to work with all the quixel content
quaint cedar
Ha, now your "^" makes no sense
delicate dove
XD
quaint cedar
My job here is done
silent mesa
Huhu I just checked out the product page of the element stuff its also on sale and supports mobile
hasty nexus
i posted a review for the cave pack. I forgot to do it.
π
"review".. more like feedback
silent mesa
@delicate dove do you have a product support here on discord?
delicate dove
nah, people can dm me/email me
im not a fan of having a lot of discord servers, and so far I havent felt the need for it.
my support workload so far has been 3 emails a year-ish
silent mesa
70% off your stuff, that is quite a good deal.
delicate dove
oh and one video call two weeks ago
yea hehe
plus i add descriptions to almost everything for ease of understanding
silent mesa
Also got a few days ago one of the best hover systems around there is just so much going on, it can be simple or complex. You can stick to different worlds and even "jump" around. It adopts smoothly to changes
open rock
silent mesa
π’
thorny compass
π°
merry field
I notice an increase in sales over the last few days even though I didn't even submit the thing being sold for sale (I forgot, tbh)
I guess the sale just drives more traffic to the Marketplace in general
wooden falcon
I notice more "sales" of my free pack, but not that many of my others :/
best sales for me were a few weeks ago with the spotlight rotation
merry field
Well, I'm still only tiny-scale, so "I sold two units yesterday" is a sudden burst of activity for me π
silent mesa
get your infinity weather and unified procedural animation before the sale ends :)
https://gyazo.com/22d33b2ce1ade4a21adda931d8595871
silent mesa
ow I totally forgot today is the first Tuesday of the month? π
merry field
Are you in Australia? It's still early Monday in Epic time
silent mesa
Philippines hehe
yeah I would still have to wait for several hours. Epic is in North Carolina. hehe
mystic hornet
Does anyone know if one of the texture baking tools bake the final texture that's rendered as single texture? The built in UE4 tools just bakes out the respective channel.
silent mesa
Meshbake
tired rune
iβm looking for a throw grenade animation, does someone know an asset that contains it?
odd lantern
Hi all, has anyone played with this asset? Iβm looking for a replicated controllable boat but not sure how hard it would be to replicate this...
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/985639e4217c4efd8a1e0018284f2d43
hasty nexus
i had this happening to me once and it was because if it fails to send to your email address for whatever reason then it wont try to send again unless you change the email address.
in my case it failed because mail server was unreachable once and i guess then the email gets marked as invalid.
either you change the email address or you can get in touch with the marketplace team. they can fix it too.
delicate dove
@frozen plume or... you read the rules.
frozen plume
Sorry I didn't read the rules, you are not suppose to post here? π€ #released? π
delicate dove
exactly :)
if its a new pack it goes into #released
if its regular marketing, it goes.. its not allowed
else we have thousands of people non-stop spamming about their packs, while this channel is to mainly discuss marketplace in general.
frozen plume
sure thing!
modern perch
people who know their product is going free for the month, then discount it for a sale the week before are right dicks
that author knew precisely what they were doing
raven ferry
almost happened with me with the Loading Screen BP
some months before
thats why I waited until today to buy everything in my cart hehe
pliant forum
So considering the fact that PowerIK now is acquired by Epic, you guys think we will get Source Code or you think it'll continue to be pre-compiled?
merry field
I feel like this should be linked before everyone starts talking about it
Also you can probably get Epic to refund the pack you bought if it just went on sale and then went free a few days later
real dust
Thanks for the link, was about to go looking
silent mesa
yahoo. I was really eyeing on the pool and IK solver hehe
thorny compass
Yeah... I had two of these... really need to stop buying until the last moment of need. I think, I did much better this BF.
silent mesa
when did you buy? I do hope it was a long time ago.
thorny compass
Yeah, it was long time. The blockout and that swimming pool. 1st was kinda cool and cheap (ofc, I bought them on discount). The 2nd, the pool however, I didn't used. It seems good one tho.
raven ferry
I Got the pool a long time ago, it was 5USD at launch day
silent mesa
I still have to read a lot about rigging in blender and animations in unreal so that I could use the power IK
I still use unrealsales.io and it notifies/spams me when a product is on sale. hehe
thorny compass
Does the UE Wishlist sends emails? I have just one thing for a test...
silent mesa
I am not sure but I am not receiving any notifs from my Wishlist so far, I just use it to quickly tag things I like. hehe
I also like the soviet apartment pack from the author of the pool. It has good interiors.
trail hollow
Hope you enjoy the swimming pool y'all π
raven ferry
oh boy
silent mesa
@trail hollow thank you π
raven ferry
I think it went on sale yesterday, not related to black friday sale π
thorny compass
From 9.99 to 99.99? lmao
raven ferry
technically. it show up only at the "On Sale" page and not on "Black Friday Sale" page. either way, totally not cool if there was no huge product changes
silent mesa
Does anyone have an experience using this save game asset? I think it is easy to use and integrate on different products for the save mechanics I want to put. It is next on my list.
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/easy-multi-save
raven ferry
hmm kinda makes sense but I don't think that's the case π
thorny compass
@trail hollow congrats also on the Modular Urban City Asset ... I like the... feeling of it.
I have that one too π
trail hollow
that's one of my favourites I'm glad you like it π
raven ferry
@trail hollow I'm already using in a scene inside a school. Really amazing work, I had to use the LOD tools several times to make it ugly like the meshes I made π
thorny compass
@trail hollow but one day I'm gonna dig it, and sniff about these dirty UVs and topos, you know - muhaha
raven ferry
@silent mesa https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/save-extension have you tried this one?
I'm using it and its really easy to save/load things
silent mesa
@trail hollow pls make more modular exterior with interior buildings. I really like the quality of your product as well as your other assets. Hopefully, someday a building with procedural stuff, both interior and exterior π
trail hollow
We try to do it, most of our packs can fit in with exterior pieces and vice versa but it's quite difficult to balance interiors and exteriors like that - but we do want to do it more π
silent mesa
@raven ferry thank you, I actually browsed it a few days ago and its free. I will probably have to try that one first. Is it easy to integrate with existing game menus? Scanning through it, I assume it saves all blueprint actors. I plan to override some save mechanics on some templates I am using. Not sure though, what is the advantage of using the paid product I gave a link to, it has tutorial video and good documentation also.
@fickle basin regarding the easy multi save, why can't you personally work with it? so you just made your own save game stuff? I really do not want to deep dive on how to save and load at the moment.
raven ferry
Really easy. It uses tags to filter what do you want to be saved. And you don't have to mannually add tags, You just check the boxes in a Blueperint Tab. And you can select wich Variables do you want to save. per actor
@silent mesa
loading/saving
silent mesa
I see. I will try to use the free one first if it suits my needs. I currently plan to use it on the Platform Development Kit. Currently the template only saves I think the achievement but you could not carry over the items from one level to another once you leave the game. I hope do I can easily integrate it with the existing save (which is sort of a save area within each level). It has its own simple menu with "load".
thank you
raven ferry
I'm using a modified version built in 4.22, I think it has a lot of new features now
silent mesa
I noticed it has two versions for certain version range. May I ask why you are still using the old one?
raven ferry
Decided to lock my project to 4.22
thorny compass
Good idea.
raven ferry
Not really related to the plugin, I think the dev kinda abandoned between 4.22 and 4.24 but decided to go back and add new features in 4.25
modern perch
I think it went on sale yesterday, not related to black friday sale π
lol, quadruple the price then put it at 66% off by the looks of it
raven ferry
Thats why you will see mixed reviews, people complaining about 4.23 and 4.24 support
Personally I think it's outrageous this price hike. But is it something for the marketplace team intervene?
thorny compass
One of the Epic team dropped before few days the idea we notify them if we see something.
modern perch
the price hike isn't actually legal in a lot of places, so the marketplace team should be notified
thorny compass
... tbh, I don't know what is the case, so can't say is that okay or not. I mean, it could be because of new features or something.
modern perch
the seller can either change their price or put it on sale, but not both at the same time
list price has to remain the same for 28 days in the UK, before you can apply a discount
thorny compass
I see. Well, I can imagine many vendors not being familiar with "the rules".
Not sure whether they are informed too about such things even.
modern perch
yeah, and that's somewhat understandeable, but Epic should really be enforcing it
thorny compass
Tutoring sellers should be like part of the entering the UE marketplace. Say with such basic stuff. Just a page or something with information.
hasty nexus
that's like saying you should be tutored about the laws so you won't break them. it's common sense. people doing this are doing it deliberately with the scope to trick buyers
thorny compass
Nope, don't think so. You don't know all of your laws in your country for sure. Even layers and accountants say don't know them fully.
hasty nexus
but that's not an excuse on trial
look at the majority of other sellers not doing it. they haven't been tutored but yet they don't trick people
thorny compass
Might be general, but still it's common sense to teach them. In similar manner as say most EULA's are made. Don't steal, don't redistribute and etc. Common sense it should be, but is not and everyone puts them down.
Yeah, I don't know what is the case. But better be safe and you may do good for someone.
hasty nexus
you can tutor someone but if that person has bad intentions he will still do whatever he's after
there should be an automated thing: once you applied for sale event, you cant change the price
thorny compass
Yeah, I mean we both speculate the reasons behind this. My point is, write down these rules, show them to the sellers. In similar manner as FAQ, EULA and other info. Some might ignore it, some might know it, some might learn.
hasty nexus
prevent the crime π
i guarantee you none of these mofos raising their price right before the sale event has no excuse. they knew what they're doing 100%
hasty nexus
or, another solution, the discounted price should be calculated when you applied for the event not when the event started.
thorny compass
3.6.1.b Products included in an individual sale cannot go on sale again until 30 days after the first sale ends. 3.6.1.c Products cannot go on sale until 14 days after their initial publishing. 3.6.1.d Sales must have a discount percentage from 10-50% off and the discount in price must amount to a minimum of $1 USD in savings.
These ?
hasty nexus
you plan for it
thorny compass
There is nothing about rising before a sale π
raven ferry
3.6.2.f The listed product price shown during a sale should not differ significantly from the price at which the product is generally sold. The full price should not be artificially inflated in order to make a better savings claim.
hasty nexus
there, skuba found it
thorny compass
Ah, I see @raven ferry it is kinda subjective.
Okay... we are team of marketplace detectives π΅οΈββοΈ
raven ferry
technically it is an individual sale, even though its black friday/cybermonday
hasty nexus
neah, the spreadsheet is enough. and i keep my own list, once i find one greedy idiot doing this i write his name along with the product URL in my own list and i make sure i won't buy from him ever. it's not much but it's the best i can do.
raven ferry
Their other products are good tho
hasty nexus
unfortunately if you report them to epic, they just remove them from the sales event but they're still allowed to conduct "business" on the MP
i know for sure in the past when i reported some greedy mofo they removed him from the event
probably they investigated and found out it was with ill intentions
who knows
merry field
I've never seen them send out sale invitations that far into the future
north stirrup
lmao
2% sale
π
If I do a 10% sale, it'd still be $15 more expensive than Gumroad
thorny compass
We checked the rules, you can go as high as 50% ^^
Well, its in the rules. Go figure π€·ββοΈ π
modern perch
at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what Epic's guidelines are when it comes to local sales laws
Epic has to also respect those, which means they are also responsible for ensuring their marketplace sellers can't violate them, accidentally or otherwise
not that I'm aware of, but I would not be surprised if some region had one
slender estuary
<@&213101288538374145> I would kindly ask for removal of this link since its a hitlist that targets peoples businesses. You didnt allow me to link a "scammer" list about developers not paying people so this here should also not be allowed π
trail hollow
I'm a seller and I don't see an issue with the link?
slender estuary
I do since I am blacklisted there π I did some price testing on my first product to figure out what people are willing to pay and thats not gouging thats testing the waters. You can read the legal definition of price gouging and you wont find anything there that confirms the definition the list creator has used to create his blacklist.
trail hollow
what
slender estuary
Additionally to that the mods here have stated that they dont want to engage in "judgmental" practices like blacklisting since that can get them into trouble too.
thorny compass
πΏ
hasty nexus
that file should stay there to protect buyers from publishers that are "testing the waters" exactly before a sale event starts, water testing that allows them to have their products on sale with a higher or same price than before the sale.
slender estuary
Thats not for you to decide π
hasty nexus
so if you decided to "test the waters" before the sale event started, then it's your fault.
slender estuary
Price gouging has a very clear definition which is not reflected by the rules you apply
quaint cedar
What does the red background on a product mean?
slender estuary
it means blacklisted
north stirrup
Check the second page Cedric
slender estuary
go to the second tab
hasty nexus
the red flag means that the publisher increased the price right before the sale event started
slender estuary
I like the list honestly, but the black list section is out of order
quaint cedar
So basically it's blacklisted cause the seller lowered raised the price before a sale to then lower it to a fake sale?
slender estuary
thats the idea yeah
quaint cedar
That's funny :D One of my products is red
slender estuary
xD
quaint cedar
Doesn't even have a sale
Good spreadsheet!
If you do it, at least do it right lol
slender estuary
it definitly is but its also defaming ppl
slender estuary
its not price gouging
tall helm
defamation is something entirely different
slender estuary
blacklists are what the mods here have revered to as "bad practive"
defamation is stating something about someone thats not true π
tall helm
exactly
tall helm
I do take issue with the phrasing, but the information itself doesn't seem problematic to me
slender estuary
he just used the term to define is own phrasing
additionally to that hes manually removing ppl and manually adds them
which makes him jury and executioner
silent mesa
This is a cool electrical system
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/simple-electric-system
slender estuary
which you guys prohibited last time we wanted to do a "scam dev" list
yes the info is fine
thorny compass
@silent mesa wait, we are πΏ the discussion
slender estuary
rly i love that this exists but the blacklist section is a big nono
hasty nexus
so right before the sale you increased the price from 14.99 to 99.99 and i believe you also got removed from the sale event by the MP team @slender estuary
slender estuary
i didnt take part in that sale
and i adjusted the price to reflect my artstation prices which i started just in the days before
so the reasoning is valid af xD
quaint cedar
So, not saying that some of those on the list make sense
But what about the blacklists that have the same price
And no sales
slender estuary
quaint cedar
Like, how does that work out?
north stirrup
Which asset of yours is red Cedric?
quaint cedar
It never even had a sale haha
I really don't care about this, but how many other things are marked red on this spreadsheet?
hasty nexus
Notification Kit doesn show up in the MP
quaint cedar
What does red mean then?
Blacklist or not available anymore?
Cause you gotta communicate that
hasty nexus
maybe you removed it from the MP
quaint cedar
Based on which column
The column that is red?
Red project means not available? Red name means blacklist?
Gnah, could be improved
north stirrup
Name is red: not available
Seller is red: blacklisted
Price is red: increased
or smthg like that
slender estuary
yeah and blacklisting is which is bad practice
thorny compass
Red is when price has increased.
quaint cedar
I can live with it being red if it's not available
slender estuary
since the definition used is just badly confined
quaint cedar
Page could use a legend
slender estuary
but i repeat - you guys didnt allow me do to a scam dev blacklist so this one here cant be something you allow either π
or not?
tall helm
relax, we're discussing it right now
slender estuary
thanks - just reach out to him and tell him to remove the blacklist
bcs the list is dope
and ppl can still use it
hasty nexus
you can reach out as well
slender estuary
i did π
and in the meantime this can still hurt my business so ...
no
thats not how this should work
anyone being reliant on his availability
merry field
Who needs protection more - the people buying assets in good faith, or the sellers manipulating prices?
slender estuary
i dont mind being challenged on my decisions btw
hasty nexus
I guess changing prices constantly resulted in this
slender estuary
and if you want we can have that conversation
merry field
I still haven't seen a single valid argument for putting a price up before a sale
quaint cedar
What product is the one that caused this?
north stirrup
What's your product?
quaint cedar
"mine" is not really informative
merry field
The root of the problem is that Epic don't enforce price change restrictions
slender estuary
bcs theres no legal way to go about it
quaint cedar
The legal "way" is that it's their marketplace
slender estuary
true
quaint cedar
They can just lock you out of it if you are part of the sale
slender estuary
honestly iΒ΄d like to have had better guidelines on pricing
but there arent
so you have to come by with imaginery "oh maybe THAT works" and just get the experience
hasty nexus
the fact that the starting price was 3.99 and now is 99.99 made it very suspicious probably
merry field
Epic can do whatever they want, mostly; but allowing people to adjust their prices like this is illegal in many places and could get Epic into legal trouble
slender estuary
i lowered it after i think a week? not sure anymore
tall helm
I've unpinned the link for now
hasty nexus
yeah, i see that now
slender estuary
then i got into the first automated sale and figured since it reduced the price dramatically i would have to increase base value in order to actually make back the money that I would loose with every sale.
quaint cedar
Yeah so I don't know about the whole definition of that wording, cause as a German I def don't know every freaking legal english wording.
But basing that on North Carolina seems weird
tall helm
Our conclusion for now is that the information is valuable, but the facts should speak for themselves. There's no need to use an additional handpicked pillory list.
slender estuary
tbh i also dont think thats "best practice"
You sign a contract with epic when you are selling
they are based in NC
quaint cedar
That Spreadsheet has nothing to do with Epic
hasty nexus
neither this server as far as i know
slender estuary
yeah its only about the legal definition that hes using
quaint cedar
I can write down "Price Gauging means gifting me money."
merry field
then i got into the first automated sale and figured since it reduced the price ...
This is very, very dodgy
There's no "automatic sale"
merry field
Increasing the price to offset the losses from a sale is very illegal
slender estuary
and you just confirm you take part
its not illegal
my initial starting price on the product is 34.99
that was what i figured ppl would be willing to pay for the product
everything else was just trying to figure out what ppl are ACTUALLY willing to pay
and like i said
theres no guides
merry field
There's no automatic sale, you have to submit specific products to be on sale
quaint cedar
Honestly, changing prices is all totally fine
slender estuary
you kinda guess what you are doing
quaint cedar
Just not to fake a sale
I had no clue what I should put my project on when I first released it a few years ago
slender estuary
True π
quaint cedar
And I would love to adjust it as much as possible to understand what people actually pay
Just don't freaking abuse it
to fake a sale price
slender estuary
yeah didnt help anyway
i didnt even get one payout so far xD
ppl dont want to pay more than 5 bucks in the end
quaint cedar
Really depends
slender estuary
if its not a full "make your game" product
hasty nexus
so not the spreadsheet is affecting the business π
tall helm
yes the one where you get a message
that's not automatic
quaint cedar
There are 300+β¬ plugins on the marketplace that sell
slender estuary
I did definitly π
definitly yes
and like i said i dont mind being called out for it
pliant forum
yikes
pliant forum
sound like you deserve to be on it more than most
tall helm
it does kind of speak to your business practices and that they are shady
slender estuary
shady?
slender estuary
like i said - i tried figuring out what the best way of handling things are
tall helm
hey, my thing that was 50% cheaper yesterday is now 50% off, and costs the same thing as yesterday!
slender estuary
as you can see i tested A LOT
tall helm
that is shady and in many countries illegal
hasty nexus
so listen, all this price changing, all this blacklisting, all the gouging and fake sale and you haven't got a single payout from Epic?
quaint cedar
Guess you like going to your local stores, buying things that are reduced in price, knowing they increase the price before, so you THINK you are saving money.
slender estuary
nope xD
hasty nexus
ok
slender estuary
and they do btw
Look i dont say that the decisions i made at that point wherent bad xD
merry field
Because there's no spreadsheet in the physical stores to catch them breaking the law
slender estuary
but i am not even earning most of the cash thats on that store - its a 85 / 15 split on the proceeds where i get 15% on the sales for the artists i sell it from
merry field
You're arguing that the blacklist feature is bad because it works and caught someone doing something against the marketplace terms?
slender estuary
so i have to figure out HOW to sell to ppl and i dont know any other way to gage information than testing
nono
i am arguing it states a legal definition and defames your business
hasty nexus
@fickle basin π
north stirrup
but i am not even earning most of the cash thats on that store - its a 85 / 15 s...
So you're like a middle man? (not implying that's a bad thing)
merry field
Defamation would be if it's not true
merry field
Price gouging is a general concept, not necessarily related to the specific legal definition in one state of one country
slender estuary
inform yourself pls π
slender estuary
Making information available is one thing - judging and making someone look bad is another
I have explained the context of my decisions and I also dont think that increasing prices previously to sales was a good idea
hasty nexus
so there's a reason why you're there. you did some shady stuff.
slender estuary
honestly - on the business side of things - appart from ethics and morality it just shows you are running a shitshow xD
no
i am here because i am responsible for the income of others π
and i have to make sure that it doesnt get hurt because some random guy thinks its alright to blacklist you π
hasty nexus
@tall helm can you please put back the link? It really helps people that are spending money to spend the money on honest stuff. This guy was not flagged blacklisted for no reason.
he did it for his own reasons
but that doesn't excuse the fact that he did shady business
slender estuary
let me ask you something
inland dust
@fickle basin I am chill today.
hasty nexus
i sell and buy, i have wife, kids, dogs, parents, and i still don't do shady stuff
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slender estuary
no i mean do you sell on the mp?
slender estuary
Ok so you know how hard it is to figure out the right price on something or not?
merry field
Most of the people who hang out in this channel do
hasty nexus
i know how hard it is and i still don't do shady stuff.
merry field
Personally I looked at how much similar things were priced
tall helm
the art of market research
the thing is
you can't change things randomly and expect useful data
slender estuary
true xD
tall helm
as with all things science, you have to do controlled experiments where you change one variable and control all others as much as possible
slender estuary
which is why i stated the only thing i got from this was confirmation that my process was flawed already
hasty nexus
when i decide to increase the price to one of my products, i post on the forum and in discord with at least 2 weeks in advance.
tall helm
for example: same sale scenario, one with twitter ads and one without
or: same sale before and after a competing product was free for the month
or: different sale percentages
all that gives you more information about how to price your products
changing prices willy-nilly is actually counterproductive and creates customer mistrust, as has happened to you here
which is also useful data
for the rest of us
π
slender estuary
definitly π
raven ferry
I don't think the price going up or down along the year is illegal (bad for bussiness for sure). BUT Increasing the price to put it on sale faking a discount is a shady pratice, and after the sale ends you lower the price again, thats really low
tall helm
yeah, it's at the bare minimum shady, at worst illegal
slender estuary
You can call it shady - for me it was honestly just figuring out what the hell i am looking at
I take issue with the defitions and the jugdmental-ness you guys put up here - immediatly believing that someone is doing something on bad faith
inland dust
Shady makes the world go round
raven ferry
even in my shitty country is totally illegal. There's a branch in the government literally called "Consumer Protection", you can easily sue and win and get your money in less then 30 days. Every now and then, they put up a list of places/sites that you should avoid buying.
you can call it a blacklist
slender estuary
intial calc was that a reasonably priced product of the quality i wanted to sell was minimum 35 bucks
and i started experimenting with lower prices to see how well ppl react to it
raven ferry
but it is your personal decision to buy it or not
Everything for half of double the price!!!
slender estuary
the reason why i finally decided to up the price is because of the lack of controll over royality on the MP and to reflect the release of the product with two differntly priced licences on the artstation marketplace
pliant forum
then i got into the first automated sale and figured since it reduced the price ...
This isn't price gouging man.
slender estuary
This isn't price gouging man.
Well the guy that made the list is insisting it is xD
No if you look at his earlier comments you see his a bad faith actor himself
he proclaims to "not let himself be scammed"
merry field
Yes the term might be wrong, anyone have any idea what it should be called?
pliant forum
I think it would be closer to false advertisement and most likely illegal.. Price gouging isn't something you do during a sale.
slender estuary
basically trying to force everyone on his lane
north stirrup
false advertisement sounds good
slender estuary
inland dust
I like this guy. Sounds like me.
slender estuary
its close xD
hasty nexus
I have a record here guys. Issued an update on the MP and it got processed in under an hour.
slender estuary
wow xD
thorny compass
tbh, I would prefer just an objective data: numbers talk about themselves. If you plalyed a lot with the prices, there better be a reason (feature added/removed). Beginning products are also kinda volatile.
hasty nexus
probably my english betrayed me again.
north stirrup
I have a record here guys. Issued an update on the MP and it got processed in un...
for me packaging alone takes more than an hour on a decent machine 
hasty nexus
for me packaging alone takes more than an hour on a decent machine <:dep:3785856...
Yeah, MP processing times improved a lot lately.
north stirrup
Maybe they use proper OSX build machines now
slender estuary
tbh, I would prefer just an objective data: numbers talk about themselves. If yo...
Read all of the above - the only reason was because i didnt have ANY sales and tried to figure out the right pricing in the right situation.
I spent a shit ton of time lately trying to figure out which mpΒ΄s are actually worth going on and which are more or less useless and ended up using the artstation licence agreements as the "baseline" for my pricing system for the future
thorny compass
Oh, I read it. I don't see contradiction. And yea, it does not say anything about your case. As I said, need to look at the numbers.
Anyway, its the author of that sheet you need to talk with.
north stirrup
What's the artstation license agreement?
north stirrup
slender estuary
this me xD
north stirrup
Supporting entreprise licensing is pretty nice
raven ferry
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slender estuary
the issue is that on the ue mp you sell something and its "indefinite" usage
which is pretty unusual in general with licencing agreements if you would do the same work as a freelancer for example
yes definitly inconvenient
but by having the artstation mp i can now offer a "personal" licence
and a business licence
north stirrup
At that point I would just replace your product by an external link on the MP
raven ferry
like cgtrader, sketchup, turbosquid and most of the other assets store
I always go for the lower price π
north stirrup
I don't know the specifics, but some sellers do
north stirrup
You can also link your artstation in the marketplace description
thorny compass
Hmm... that sheet says it was 3.49 then jumped to 99.99 nowadays π€
slender estuary
every month you get a message that invites you to a sale
flash sales?
i dont know
thats automatic for me lol
since the process is "get a mail, answer, done"
yeah
compared to the usual system they used before its automated xD
then how would you define that
north stirrup
^
hasty nexus
but i have one question, what would one of your potential customers think if they buy that now for $99.99 and tomorrow you put it back at 3.59 or whatever
π
slender estuary
i do
north stirrup
That'd probably be a good case for a refund
slender estuary
which is why i took a break from the mp after the first 2 sales and reconfigured my baseline
which is how i ended up with going to artstation, making the personal licence available there and turning every other major licence into a business licence per definition and cost
@thorny compass
thorny compass
Yeah, 3.49 on sale. The next column, but the diff between 3 and 6 is not like between 6 and 99.
slender estuary
ehm? xD
thorny compass
Anyway... you get what ppl think, everyone gets smarter from now on.
delicate dove
I stayed out of this convo a bit as im not fully unbiased.
But knowing ephraim from earlier interactions over these past years I dont think he was trying to scam or whatever you call it, at least I'd like to think it was not ill intended.
so those are my 2 cents.
slender estuary
Thanks man xD Dude definitly not ill intended
look at the frigging price range and check the quality of the product ...
i was playing low ball on all price changes, just trying to figure out what the heck was happening to sales and if it made any actual meaningfull impact
thorny compass
Its okay, you saw what is the impact - you are famous π
slender estuary
xxD
fucking hell
sry
!
I didnt have a guide which is why i ended up like this
i did read the epic manual
no where anyone describes proper pricing
i know my prices have changed a lot in my freelance work over time and it mostly comes from testing out what ppl are willing to pay for me and my work and i tried to apply the same system here.
in freelance when i started i earned 10 bucks an hour and i had to gradually increase when working with the same customer. But with a new one i did major increases to get a new baseline with them from where to move on. Services and quality had changed and it was ok to do so. I just tried applying the same rule of conduct to the product by lowering it and seeing which place ppl feel comfortable paying the product after all. Dont forget pls that it was valued at 35 bucks in the beginning and I didnt have one sell so far on the original pricing i intended to sell it at. So ANYONE who bought that product bought it on a lower value than it shouldve been sold for.
thorny compass
Well, good luck man. Talk with that guy (maybe in private as we saw enough flames), see how you can fix that. We learn along the way.
slender estuary
We definitly do π
I am not a madman xD Dude I was the one that created a scam dev blacklist a while back and ... trust me the pushback was ... oof. Teached me quite abit about how ppl perceive judgmental "ruling" in the "public space"
didnt think iΒ΄d end up on the receiving end of it
so ... well ... lessons xD
you know what i think is just wrong?
look this example here - guy changed the prices so many times
i had 3 changes and ended up on the blacklist lol
is he only a customer though? π
whos saying hes not also selling on the mp
merry field
You have to bear in mind that even the illusion of shady practices lowers overall confidence in the marketplace
slender estuary
xD
and the other thing thats annoying af is that my price changes happened in august like 4 months ago
and then i get targeted in a list that just is from this month xD
inland dust
If you say that to me, please in the future when I am engage in a discussion do not derail the discussion like you have in the past. thanks!
slender estuary
tbh i think it mostly shows theres a lack of value guidance on the mp
my biggest issue is that an eu based artist that spents 2 weeks on a product should earn around 2K at least from sales. if you do the same product and the artist is based in ukraine, india, any other low income region, they "only" need to earn around 800 to break even.
so its pretty hard to calculate proper pricing when the per item value isnt conform due to the local income baselines
inland dust
I want to acknowledge the great work the mods are doing here. Last week this would have all been deleted but I see them taking more care. This makes me happy and I hope to see everything improve.
tall helm
As long as y'all stay respectful and professional, we don't have a problem
slender estuary
I am rereading the rules btw
on the mp and trying to figure out what exactly this method should be called
slender estuary
@eager kestrel Heyhey I see you are reworking the table description
I would like that you add a specific product not a general store to the list since its a little bit too overbearing to render someone entirely "bad faith" when they did some changes to their "first product" in the first 2 months and then started acting "properly" in the more than enough time afterwards
in generally i understand the notion for calling out bad faith actors honestly - i am the first to try this when i would be able to
inland dust
To be clear the word "repectuful" is very subjective here. I am the type that does not demand respect. It is given where it is due. To get back on topic, professionalism is what leads to tables like the one being discussed. A person should not be held to their past. People make mistakes and learn from them and become more professional over time if they choose to.
eager kestrel
@quaint cedar @tall helm @slender estuary I think it is best I just remove the blacklist. I did not intend to start any issues, just wanted it to be purely informational. I will make a clear legend in its place instead which will explain all the colors and what color patterns to look out for. Then everyone can make their own judgements.
slender estuary
@eager kestrel I very much appreciate this! The table is super informativ and it will help me define my price ranges better in the future for sure
tall helm
@eager kestrel good call, thank you :-)
inland dust
changed
slender estuary
is it like 7 days
or is it 3? or two weeks? or is it dependend on how long the product was on the place with the same pricing?
https://www.choice.com.au/shopping/consumer-rights-and-advice/your-rights/misleading-pricing
this shouldnt be generalized but its a good guide in understanding "what not to do"
eager kestrel
Within 7 days, since the non high-lighted price says it had no change within 7 days.
Basically everything resets after 7 days. Nothing is permanent. Except for the bug I recently fixed that did make all the colors permanent, haha.
slender estuary
sounds good xD
Btw I would change the term "false advertisment" to "misleading prices
I mean its a good piece of customer empowerment to be able to have a simple rule to follow and see who to trust and who to not trust
inland dust
Misleading seams like a word for users to just watch out for. False seams like you do not want any part of it.
eager kestrel
Misleading sounds more accurate to what the spreadsheet provides. Went with that instead.
candid rivet
please keep the list, i'm tired of wasting my time navigating dishonest people. if i really want the product i'll do the due diligence
slender estuary
@candid rivet are you just a customer or also an artist yourself?
just interested to know
candid rivet
i am a customer, but will be a seller soon (not artist)
slender estuary
I am an artist and a seller so for me its pretty simple to navigate the mp, was just wondering since as an artist i wouldve expected you also having a relatively clear understanding of how much something is worth by just looking at "time spent doing it myself compared to time spent earning the money to buy"
eager kestrel
@candid rivet the spreadsheet will be good. Even if the google sheet itself were gone, I got all the information scraped into a separate database. The spreadsheet only displays what it reads from there.
candid rivet
i'm in the industry i have an idea of value, i also scour the marketplace daily, so on that front i have a decent idea of relative value. where i find myself wasting my time is having to dive into that list to make my own bad faith lists, that is a giant waste of my time if it can be automated or if someone is going to do the groundwork for me
it happens EVERY sale, it's super annoying and i have better things to do, like spend money
slender estuary
yeah i am wondering why epic doesnt just block price value changes to anyone that sets up a sale or participates
candid rivet
that should be the answer, price freezes for sales
slender estuary
they know the base price anyway so there should be a way to simply fixture it with some code and see at which point its reasonable to say "no" to an increase