You understand my point, but you arent grasping the reasoning behind it
#fab
hollow falcon
yes it is
thin barn
I think what @hollow falcon is trying to point out is that asset flipping IS an okay thing to do. ^^
As long as the license the developer of the "asset flip game" purchased the content with allows it, it is perfectly fine to do an asset flip game with the content.
For some people making games is a serious business. Not being a "starving artist".
Effectively this means, if there is an easy way to generate profit. That is what a sane businessman would do. Generally speaking "ethics" aren't really a thing in business.
Personally I never developed an asset flip game, but if I desperately needed money I'd totally put 10 of em on Steam right now. π
summer jacinth
You dont find that ethically wrong, or afraid of what it would do to your repuation as a game developer?
hollow falcon
Capitalism 101
@summer jacinth it wont damage my rep as a game developer at all. People know when they are playing those types of games because they look like arse. :p
summer jacinth
Yes but you now produced that and felt it was worthy enough for release. If you release a game in bad faith, that will damage your reputation
You see this all the time with greenlight games and other "early access" money grabs
Look at The WarZ (or whatever its called now)
theyve had to rebrand several times just to get a customer base again
If you think otherwise, youre probably a bit naive
hollow falcon
There is always going to be knock-off crap games. Both at the low and high ends of the scale.
summer jacinth
And those harm the studio/companies reputation
And reputation is important when it comes to a customer base that remains loyal
hollow falcon
yep but that makes it easier for us good developers to shine
summer jacinth
And thats more important than a few quick sales
It does, but its not a good business practice even if you want to make money
thin barn
I'm not sure if it's ethically wrong to do an asset flip game. IMHO it gets wrong as soon as you actively make false claims (e.g. I made this model etc.). Not giving credit when it's not required by a license isn't wrong.
If I was ever going to release asset flip games I would do it under a separate studio name, obviously. π I hope everyone who considers that business strategy is smart enough to do that.
hollow falcon
if it makes money and nobody gets hurt. Im all for it. The only people it hurts are those that feel ripped off after more than 2 hours gameplay and those whose names are attached to the crap.
Yeah if I was gonna asset flip, my studio name would be "Take the money and run like hell productions"
Or "Dindoo Nuffin Productions" π
summer jacinth
Vast majority of asset flipped games dont give credit what so ever
And yes, thats where the line gets drawn between it being wrong, and not wrong, but also a cheap move
I personally would never purchase a game that is obviously meant to just make a developer money
In the grand scheme of things
hollow falcon
neither would I. Although I did buy Destiny Β¬_Β¬
Something I notice from having kids is that even crap games have value. Maybe not to us who sit in judgement of quality because we understand the mechanics, but to a kid, an utterly shit game could be the best thing they ever played
thin barn
Sure me neither, but there are plenty of ppl out there with more money than brains...
Essentially doing an asset flip game is a pretty basic business transaction.
You buy a license to redistribute a product at a (arguably) high price. Then you redistribute it to lots of customers at a lower price and bet on making a profit by getting more sales that way.
Companies do that all the time, in all kinds of industries.
I don't get why we aren't supposed to do that in the games industry, but everyone else gets away with it every single day. π
hollow falcon
I think we should do it to a degree. If you want to create levels of success based on perceptions of quality then the best thing that can happen to indie devs is to seperate the wheat from the chaff. Digital Homicide is chaff. Rocket League guys is wheat. I like to think I am a step above Digital Homicide purely because he's an asset flipper who doesn't care about gameplay. My desire to be better than that means I make more of an effort. As the difference is between AA studios and AAA :p
thin barn
I definitely agree that the closer financial success is tied to quality, the better for us indie devs. π
hollow falcon
I guess that is what valve thinks too. Even if they want a peice of the pie to ensure it happens.
thin barn
True, although I'm holding off on judging Steam Direct until they reveal how high the fee actually is. 100-5k $ is a faaaaaar too large range to decide if that's a good or bad move. ^^
Anyways let's get back to the Marketplace topic, this is pretty off topic by now. :p
hollow falcon
no doubt it will be somewhere in between and probably based on success rate of previous titles.
ebon leaf
The issue with that game isn't the asset flip nature of it IMO... people -are- allowed to do asset flips. There's nothing in the purchasing terms that prevent it so if you don't like it, you probably should looka t selling off the marketplace as it's going to happen. It's the fact that the 'developer' is an active member of at least two piracy forums that have a lot of UE4 content, and he has posted on threads sharing much of the content in that game, and his last one, in order to access the download links. That and he has presented videos in a very misleading way (at least with his prior "game") to suggest work has been done that hasn't, in an effort to garner support and sales.
Just to be clear - I don't like asset flips... just understand that there is nothign stopping people from doing them legally.
gaunt flicker
Whos this?
Unrelated, I've had a seller someone ask me about how I combat piracy even though hes a well known pirate
ebon leaf
lol.. well known pirate selling stuff? nice -.-
gaunt flicker
Theres a few
ebon leaf
that's the game that was brought up
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=756770834
and that's the kids prior game that was greenlit, but got "pulled for financial reasons" (a few days before he put a new game up ons team lol...)
gaunt flicker
heh
ebon leaf
In one of the videos he shows the old version of my survival game template... then cuts away because "he had to go for a minute". Then the hotbar and other UI elements are gone and all of a sudden the player building system is in use π So he's just opened up different projects/using different assets in the projec tand pretending they are integrated XD lol
gaunt flicker
oboi
ebon leaf
yeah lol. Good stuff haha
tribal jackal
Oh wow
It stretched a lot
Yeah I recently reported a project who said they were just "replicating" assets from the marketplace and admitted to not paying for the assets; they said a bunch of bogus, said they made it and that the artist just made it exactly like the marketplace asset, pretty hilarious stuff; (1, they admitted to not paying for assets and pirating, 2. or they're admitting to completely copying an asset)
hollow falcon
@ebon leaf : " It's the fact that the 'developer' is an active member of at least two piracy forums that have a lot of UE4 content, and he has posted on threads sharing much of the content in that game, and his last one, in order to access the download links."
THIS I didn't know. The guy needs shafting then.
ebon leaf
Yerp lol
tribal jackal
Quite surprising that that happens lol
Not only on-top of asset flipping, but also pirating the assets and not buying it
Like if you're gonna sell a game 'you made', you might aswell buy the stuff.
wicked pebble
Plagiarism. Wow.
hollow falcon
you stole that word from someone else !
fallow plinth
oh balls second fraudulent transaction in less than a week ;p
stray vigil
Is someone from Epic around that I could ask about account payouts?
summer jacinth
What kind of question is it, maybe we can help here
ebon leaf
@proven lily is online atm too
stray vigil
I'm trying to figure out when I can expect to get payed. I have made very little and it was less than 100 at the end of last year, but early this year has crossed that threshold, but I've still not seen any confirmation that a check is incoming
just want to make sure that I don't have something set up wrong or whatever
not waiting to get rich π
ebon leaf
We haven't received notifications of payouts for this month yet, so it could still be coming. But it's also when it hits over 100 AFTER Epic take out their 30% cut I believe.
stray vigil
ah, that might be the issue actually. Also, not 100% sure when it crossed the threshold so it could be this month. That's helpful. I'll wait for this month and see. Thanks!
tribal jackal
So around $143 in sales I think
summer jacinth
It also needs to be per payment month as far as Im aware
so if you consistently make less than $100 a month then you wont get paid for a year
stray vigil
so it could be 2 full years for a payout if you're not making much at all? Yikes
manic jasper
Payout minimum is 100 per month. So if you make 50 one month. Then 50 the next you will get that payed out
stray vigil
alright... Is stephanie still the person to ask? I sent her a message this weekend.
@manic jasper That was what I understood too. However, I don't think I've hit the mark for Epic taking their cut and still hitting the 100 threshold. Guess I'll wait. π
Thanks for the help all
summer jacinth
Best bet is to just release more content haha
stray vigil
yeah, I've been out of it for a bit... hoping to find time and inspiration to do something again soon. That's what got me looking at my seller page and I was surprised to see a bunch of sales at the end of the year
summer jacinth
There was the cyber monday sale
same with the christmas/new years I believe, but that wasnt anywhere near as successful
stray vigil
might have been it. Either way, I'm happy. π
proven lily
Hey gooner44, we can't discuss financial information on unofficial channels unfortunately, so I can't get into specifics (for that I would recommend sending in a ticket to marketplace-support@unrealengine.com). But, if you have not made 100 at the end of a month the payment rolls over to the next month, and this continues for a full calendar cycle. At the end of that calendar cycle, you will receive a payout for any money not yet sent out.
thorny zenith
guys how to insert a link in a tutorial blueprint
is there some kinda of black magic or something
i try using the forums code for inserting a link didn't work i try clicking the link icon nothing
zealous ibex
Dang it, the epic royaltee put me under the $100 payment threshhold π
ebon leaf
ouch lol
zealous ibex
I had ~130 in sales π
ebon leaf
It'd suck if you were lke... 5 cents short XD
ebon leaf
true π
thorny zenith
@gloomy bramble did you check this out https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=785989821558446&set=pcb.611931625671873&type=3&theater ?
gloomy bramble
Sexy
thorny zenith
yeah i can't believe my eyes XD
@gloomy bramble the same dude https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=785561301601298&set=pcb.611578252373877&type=3&theater
thorny zenith
it's the same asset he is using ?
gaunt flicker
Wat?
thorny zenith
it's ok i didn't click it π
thorny zenith
might buy this and play around with it when i have time :/
manic jasper
Can it be used on trees as well?
tribal jackal
Probably hasn't updated if I'm thinking of the right pack
@gloomy bramble You mean the Military Base Pack?
gloomy bramble
Yeah
Had vehicles and stuff
I still have it somewhere
Can I still use it if it's removed from marketplace?
The tents and vehicles like this
elfin plinth
@gloomy bramble knowing the marketplace reputation, I'd check from marketplace staff why that was removed
in past they didn't inform customers nor did give automatic refunds when they sold illegal assets, they just quietly removed them when people reported the assets
in theory, you own the rights to use the assets you bought but since people can sell things that violate licenses / people don't hold rights for, I'd be extra careful (this applies to everything on ue4 marketplace unless their staff has changed the way they inform customers)
supple moon
@elfin plinth I believe I mentioned this awhile ago here to @sleek egret that Epic Games should still keep the content available at the link generated however just unlist it
Than put a overlay banner on the page and/or sales button to state that it has been removed from the page for the following reason(s)
That way it can act as a warning for potential future buyers who may be redirected to buy the assets elsewhere such as Gumroad, etc.
As currently yes it does seem like it's quietly swept under the rug so these pirates, sellers of free publicly available assets (that light pack, chair pack, etc), and other wrongdoers can continue to get away with it elsewhere
Also helps for packs which were taken off the marketplace just for not being updated as since than at least customers still have a page they can go to through the Vault
proud summit
ok dumb question im sure.. i bought a pack of materials off the marketplace... its supposed to do vertex painting, and i can see where the nodes for it are in the material but when i go to paint and select it it doesnt seem to paint. Now there are plenty of tutorials how to make your own, but there arnt any on just simply using them... I thought it would be as simple as going to the paint tab, click the mesh, click the channel and bango paint.. but it doesnt seem to work that way... any thoughts?
lone mountain
@proud summit Contact the seller if you haven't already
Otherwise, please post the actual asset so we can help you out, if we can.
proud summit
will do, ive contacted some in the past but i asked a dumb question once and got quite the tirade lol... so i figured id check here first. The asset is Necro's Utility Pack 2
and i used the tutorials available on youtube, they are great for making them. But they dont talk much about the application, and trying to use this asset in the same manner that lets say Virtus Learning or any other of the great tutorial vids use them, and it doesnt work. I thought maybe im doing something wrong that would be super obvious, but perhaps it is the asset itself
proud summit
what i mean is that i made the material
lone mountain
All you need to do, is make sure that the material you are going to use vertex painting is on the mesh you want to apply it to
proud summit
yep
lone mountain
And then how do you "paint" ?
proud summit
click the paint tab
change to the channels listed
adjust strengths and stuff, but thats about all the tutorials talk about
lone mountain
?
So, you don't change the paint color?
Depending on how created your material
You may already be on "white"
if so, change to black paint
0 to 1
1 to 0
proud summit
ahhhh thats probably it, let me check it out, and thank you very much
lone mountain
other than that, no idea
wooden falcon
@proud summit hello! Did you get the vertex painting working?
proud summit
@wooden falcon Yup! You helped me out in an email π SUPER GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE PEOPLE! and the materials are awesome! Check out Necro stuff in the market place!
@wooden falcon Again thanks for the help!
wooden falcon
thanks!
ebon leaf
2 months after release a big update for Multiplayer TopDown Survival Kit is now live. Check out the new start menu, ingame menu, multiplayer system, SaveGame system, Scoreboard and more here:
little latch
oh sweet, is this available to anyone that already bought?
oh wait this is different than the topdown kit
ebon leaf
Hmm did I miss something? Looks like the marketplace is now featuring 3 random older packs (my survival game template is featured 0.o haha)
wait... it looks like EVERYTHING featured is old lol
uh oh... what'd they do
ebon leaf
I'd appreciate any retweets from you guys π Thanks.
https://twitter.com/dapperraptordev/status/831748967788584960
solemn prism
@ebon leaf Retweeted
ebon leaf
@solemn prism thank you sir π
solemn prism
Welcome @ebon leaf
solemn atlas
Good morning all!
Any staff around to help with my permissions for the Creator Hub on the forums? I was told I should have access since my asset is dropping today but I still don't and I have had no response to my ticket.
ebon leaf
You normally don't get access until your asset goes live. But pester @proven lily and he should be able to help you π
solemn atlas
Awesome. . Thanks @ebon leaf I suspected that was the case but the wording in the acceptance ticket sort of looked like I should have access before hand.
proven lily
Hey @solemn atlas I don't see a ticket in our system but I'll be happy to help out.
solemn atlas
Thanks @proven lily π
@ebon leaf Just retweeted for you. I will post my tweet in a few for my pack.
And retweeded yours too @ebon leaf and BTW. . using your template for a project. . I love it man. π
ebon leaf
@solemn atlas Thanks π Thanks for the kind words π I'm looking forward to seein gall the projects people are making with it when they are starting to be shown off π
solemn atlas
I know how you feel. I would love to see one of my props in a game some day out in the wild too. π
ebon leaf
What content do you have? Oh wait, first one is going up today right?
solemn atlas
Yep. Its a prop pack of just things to put in your rustic or fantasy leve. https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/corcraprops-rustic
And I need to get the tweet done but. . real world job is poking at me. Time to log in for scrum's
bbiab
ebon leaf
Ah nice. They look awesome. Very well priced too π Lemme know when the tweet goes up and I'll be sure to retweet!
solemn atlas
Will do. . thanks man
solemn atlas
Would love some retweets. . Thank you all!! https://twitter.com/CorcraStudio/status/831887126719369217
hehe. You beat me to the punch. . And I got it done with time to spare for my call. .lol
Thanks!
ebon leaf
haha no worries π
half mist
Looks good! @solemn atlas
solemn atlas
Thank you @half mist π
ebon leaf
4.15 just released... Everyone brace for a million "4.15 update yet?" posts π
wooden falcon
blah
solemn atlas
YES!!!! YES YES!
ebon leaf
I'm not seeing it in the launcher just yet :p but I got the email from Epic telling me that it's out now so I need to start updating my assets haha.
solemn atlas
Downloading it now
ebon leaf
oh ahah XD I guess I should restart the launcher sometime then :p
solemn atlas
π I restart it like twice a day at least.
ebon leaf
I usually restart the launcher when I restart my PC... once or twice a month haha XD
solemn atlas
BTW. Do our own assets on the marketplace show up in our Vault?
hehe. . You are SO far behind on updates then I would imagine π
ebon leaf
@solemn atlas they should do... Sometime it takes a little bit but as with anything, if it's not there, ask Epic and they should sort it out pretty quick. It's important for you to have access yourself as sometimes things go awry in the staging process
solemn atlas
kk Thanks for the heads up @ebon leaf So much to learn
ebon leaf
Most recently I had my latest update for the template have some fiels from the most recent build and some from the build before π that was fun troubleshooting haha. But 99% of the time it goes smoothly.
solemn atlas
Yep, I saw that from your forum post. . Oh snap. . remind self update my forum post and sig
ok ok. . I HAVE to get some work done. . Any bets on how long till I check here and get sucked away from testing? π
ebon leaf
well... it's been 3 minutes. So... 3 minutes? XD
solemn atlas
π
solemn atlas
@ebon leaf In a bit I am going to be brave and try to upgrade my project with your template in it to 4.15. . . AFTER I ensure I have a good backup π
ebon leaf
lol I haven't looked at 4.15 at all yet so... good luck π if the conversion between 4.13 and 4.14 was anything to go by, you'll need it -.-
Don't stress though. i'll submit an update for it to Epic within a day or two max π
solemn atlas
Awesome
oak fiber
That upmteeth time you have suggested adding version engine filters to all things, or any meta tag filters to all things. #kthxbye
delicate dove
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?137014-4-15-Tonemapper-changes-gt-specific-updates-for-anything-emissive (only works for marketplace content creators)
solemn atlas
Thank goodness I don't have any emmisive materials in my new pack
And what timing. It just hit the market the same day the release does. . So packing it up for the update to submit.
wooden falcon
is your pack a blueprint?
wooden falcon
you shouldn't need to send it again
just update the compatibility in the dashboard
once you've determined it works fine with 4.15, that is
solemn atlas
Oh. . we . . Well call me a noob. . Ok. . going to look for that. . Gees. . sorry. .
wooden falcon
lol
lone mountain
solemn atlas
wooden falcon
click that and mark with versions it's compatible with
solemn atlas
lol
wooden falcon
π
delicate dove
hmm visually my 4 elements pack looks fine, the only thing odd is:
https://i.gyazo.com/c6ebc63cf1c9e9c513576f55a0ff5669.png
whom should be green :p
delicate dove
hehe
solemn atlas
My wsh list. . Allegorithmic releases Substane Plug in soon and. . by some stroke of luck. . . adds packing textures in engine to it!!!
ebon leaf
no? lol
tame moon
@summer jacinth What did the mail say? I have an Amazon account for Lumberyard stuff, but no comms.
summer jacinth
They sent me an email asking to work on an unannounced feature for Lumberyard
ebon leaf
seems legit :p
summer jacinth
"Weβre working with a hand-selected group of artists and studios"
ebon leaf
And apparently poaching XD haha
summer jacinth
Eh well as long as it doesnt prevent me from working with UE4 Ill be fine
Should be good income
lean venture
Where can I find someone knowledgeable about the legal side of the Marketplace?
summer jacinth
What kind of questions do you have?
ebon leaf
A lot of us in here have at least a decent understanding of it all. So it might be worth asking away
Otherwise Epic are your best bet
lean venture
I was going to rephrase it very very broadly, but actually I'm going to be specific
I've got a very very advanced native Steamworks SDK integration plugin
It is literally plug-n-play. It's capable of auto-downloading the necessary files, manage them, offer static C++ functions and full BP support
But I'm worried about 2 thing:
1 - Distributing headers/.dll's (which is avoidable because of the installer)
2 - Automating the download of the required files, which basically does direct downloads, without the user of the PLUGIN ever being shown the Valve Agreement
Obviously, my intention is to be able to sell this plugin 100% legally. However, I'm having a hard time finding out what does 100% legally imply, in my case, and, indirectly, knowing if the plugin satisfies the implications of 100% legally
ebon leaf
I'd say your best bet would be to contact epic and ask all this... but if theres an agreement that users are meant t oview and agree to before accessing those files, I don't imagine it'd be okay to skip over that. Again though - I'd probably recommend contacting Epic's legal team, and perhaps valve's too.
lean venture
Valve is being useless, tried that
ebon leaf
That doesn't surprise me in the slightest
ebon leaf
start with marketplace-support@unrealengine.com
if that doesn't get it to the right person, they can forward it onto whoever it needs to get to
lean venture
There's no real, flesh-n-bone, live person around here from Epic, who might know? π
ebon leaf
@sleek egret would be the person to ask, possibly @proven lily as well. Just have to wait until they are here and able to respond π
lean venture
Thank you very much man !
thorny zenith
@ebon leaf always amazing as ever π
ebon leaf
haha Discord just makes it too easy to procrastinate π that's all XD
sleek egret
@ebon leaf What's up?
lean venture
Hey, I'm the reason you got pinged
ebon leaf
@sleek egret Some questions above from @lean venture π
lean venture
I wrote my question a few lines above, if you'd be so kind
sleek egret
This I'm assuming?
But I'm worried about 2 thing:
1 - Distributing headers/.dll's (which is avoidable because of the installer)
2 - Automating the download of the required files, which basically does direct downloads, without the user of the PLUGIN ever being shown the Valve Agreement
https://partner.steamgames.com/documentation/sdk_access_agreement
lean venture
Yep
"Obviously, my intention is to be able to sell this plugin 100% legally. However, I'm having a hard time finding out what does 100% legally imply, in my case, and, indirectly, knowing if the plugin satisfies the implications of 100% legally(edited)"
All Valve does is being unresponsive and pointing me towards the same link
sleek egret
For your first question, we'd need to see the files to get a better look
lean venture
I know that UE is using the Steamworks SDK headers, but also .dll's, but I have no clue under which conditions the UE team is allowed to do that
sleek egret
For the second we'll actually have to ask our legal team here
sleek egret
Yep, since you have a plugin the review process is longer but more indepth due to the code and legal aspects that crop up with this type of asset
lean venture
If I could get a clear, definite, yes/no answer to question -2- it would save me a ton of work, as I'd be able to settle on one particular use of Steamworks SDK
If not, then I'll do the extra work and code both ways
sleek egret
We can flag up to our legal team but they'll also probably want to see the content in question
ebon leaf
@lean venture sounds like an awesome plugin btw... can see that being very succesful!
lean venture
Yea, ty:D I hope so too
If I am allowed to distribute it in the 100% plug-n-play form, I'm sure it would be awesome
End-users just hate doing extra-work
Everyone just wants to literally click "Buy" then start using it directly, which is understandable
ebon leaf
yep lol
lean venture
I'm very convinced the success of a product is directly related to the number of steps the end-user has to perform to actually use the product, not just for programming-related products
ebon leaf
I would agree totally. Most of the questions I get about my template are people asking about what is missing, rather than what is included haha.
One feature missing seems more of a deterrant thatn 5 features included is encouragement to buy π
lean venture
Yea, lol
I noticed similar trends with my work for UT
I create some game modes and mutators for it
And I had the same kind of feedback, sometimes
@sleek egret sorry to bother once again, I think it's worth asking if being banned on the UnrealTournament forums could ever be an issue for me selling stuff on the marketplace?
gaunt flicker
...lol?
lean venture
Well... shit happens
sleek egret
@lean venture So long as you don't do anything to get yourself banned here or abuse your customers no.
*here being the Marketplace
lean venture
Ok, thank you!
gaunt flicker
I'mma have an alter ego on the UT forums
gaunt flicker
Pssh, I don't incite riots
Others incite riots for me
I'm content right now anyway sending Dave weird messages
tribal jackal
Allar, the new archenemy in Sherlock 
sleek egret
Dave does save those so feel free
jovial thunder
@sleek egret Hey, I reported several comments on my marketplace assets a few weeks ago that were either spam, irrelevant, or old news (Old bugs that no longer exist). Are the reported comments monitored?
sleek egret
Yep, we go in every few days and nuke the ones that break the rules or are outright spam
jovial thunder
Hmm, the issue I have is people have commented about a bug that was only relevant months ago, and has since been fixed. It just ends up taking space and getting in the way of other comments. Is there nothing I can do about those?
wooden falcon
maybe comments should be able to be flagged as solved, and be auto minimized when they are
then, the user can still maximize them to see them if they really want to
ebon leaf
I think having those comments about old bugs are useful to buyers to see how developers handled bugs being reported and such... there's a few assets that I may have bought but I didn't because of the way a developer dealt with that sort of thing.
sleek egret
Oh flag those up but put in the note that you fixed this and give the date
if you just hit flag the comment is raised but we have zero context as to why you flagged it
tribal jackal
You could potentially comment on those posts and say that you fixed it on -date-
So people who do read the comments would hopefully see your response
jovial thunder
Right, I believe I did indicate that the comment(s) were in regards to older bugs that had been fixed. Should I re-flag them? @sleek egret
sleek egret
Sure
jovial thunder
@tribal jackal The problem with that is that if there are too many replies to a comment, your comment saying it is fixed will be hidden behind a 'view more replies' button. Another reason I'm not a fan of this is that trolls tend to upvote/downvote comments in a way that paints be as a bad seller
tribal jackal
I see, that definitely makes sense
Maybe we can have a pinning system to pin replies to the top of a comment section?
jovial thunder
As an example, I had one comment that left great feedback for my product. A week or so after it was posted, it had 4 upvotes. I believe it is at -1 without my upvote at the moment. Despite me never having any actual negative feedback for the product.
tribal jackal
Well technically speaking, anybody can downvote posts; so there's probably people out there who are just trolls and don't even care the context
Which sadly, people like that exist :/
jovial thunder
That's what I mean. Any comment about old bugs gets upvoted, event if it was fixed 2 days after the comment was posted
ebon leaf
I think that highlights issues with the commenting votes more than anything lol. Though I can't say I've had that issue on my packs... you been making people angry @jovial thunder ? XD
I feel like the comments rating needs some work... but I don't reall yknow what the solution would be. It seems silly to limit it only to purchasers... but I don't doubt there are definitely likely people who go on rating sprees just cause they dislike a developer or they have a competing product.
pinning comments would definitely be a possible solution.
jovial thunder
Yeah, I think so
@sleek egret I have flagged several comments now, if you wanted to take a look (Or if it is already monitored).
All I can say is that comment was much higher at one point ^
ebon leaf
you're not allowed to give bad ratings to competing produces of yourself in any way. That's called unfair competition and therefore illegal.
You can ask Epic to check that
jovial thunder
No competition lol
ebon leaf
I didn't say it should happen, just that I imagine it does haha
I was answering to the comment of @ebon leaf
jovial thunder
Ah, ok
sleek egret
Not no competition, you can't go on someone's page and say "This sucks, mine's better here's a link"
At the very least it's rude and unprofessional
ebon leaf
There is no system in place, afaik, to stop it... so people will always take advantage of that. Much like there's no system in place to stop sellers from voting their own assets so most sellers do lol.
tribal jackal
And pathetic at that
'I can't advertise, I'll just bash on someone else's project to potentially get sales'
sleek egret
Basically just the flagging at this point but the rating and comment system is going to be one of those things that gets a rework sometime this year
I just can't say for sure what order in the long list of things we're tackling that it falls under right now
jovial thunder
I actually had a question. There is this one asset I was looking at on the marketplace, who's core functionality was introduced in 4.15, which pretty much eliminates the need to buy the product. What happens to the product in those cases? Does it stay up?
ebon leaf
lol poor flakky XD
jovial thunder
Didn't want to put them in a bad light
sleek egret
Until they ask to take it down yeah
Some people might prefer the asset, he's not breaking any rules
ebon leaf
Talk about unlucky there
tribal jackal
Definitely, I can see the purpose of it (mostly for people who don't want to upgrade engine version yet, etc.)
jovial thunder
And then what about assets that just do not sell? Does Epic leave them up?
tribal jackal
And it's fairly cheap, like $5 yes?
sleek egret
So long as the creator supports their content yes
jovial thunder
Ok, good to know
tribal jackal
After thoroughly looking at the User Interface Kit on the marketplace, I might be in a bit of trouble for my interface package FeelsBadMan
jovial thunder
Say I wanted my video that I submit with my product initially to be a 10 minute tutorial/setup video, is that all fine and good? @sleek egret
Reason I ask is I normally submit a trailer video, as you can imagine one, but that is what I spend most of the time working on for my products. I've sat here for a month not knowing how to present my upcoming product in a good way for a trailer
sleek egret
My recommendation is to have a condensed version for the reviewers but you can give the setup video in addition since that'll help when we look at the files
It doesn't have to be anything flashy
jovial thunder
Ok. I was mainly concerned about how it presents itself to the review team, which may impact whether or not it is accepted onto the marketplace
sleek egret
Just a quick overview of what it does and the features
ebon leaf
If your video is the 20th video they watch that day and it's a 10minute tutorial, probably lowers chances of them accepting even without them meaning it to XD
sleek egret
You're not selling this to them in the sense you're trying to convince them to buy it. You're presenting your product clearly with it's intent and features
Think of the video you're sending to the review team as a piece of a portfolio over a trailer or sales pitch
jovial thunder
Ah, ok
tribal jackal
I'd probably separate the overview video from the tutorial video, tutorial video should just be presented to buyers, so it's easier for everyone π
jovial thunder
I've literally done no work on my upcoming product for a month or two, just trying to think of how to present it. I'll consider what you've said
tribal jackal
You could just put a little annotation on the Overview video or in the description if/once it goes up
ebon leaf
Extra points if you have the entire epic crew in your video with bling and very clearly suggest that they will only acquire said bling if they approve your product XD
sleek egret
Just keep your audience in mind. You don't necessarily need to present this to the reviewers in the same way you would on the forums or to the community
No bribes
We will say no and I will laugh
ebon leaf
who said anything about bribes π it's suggested success haha XD
tribal jackal
haha
ebon leaf
clearly you are looking for a bribe if that's the conclusion you jumped to! 0.o XD
sleek egret
lol no, bribes, threats, etc. will not get you on the Marketplace
jovial thunder
The trick is to bribe using a 3rd party, so they can't say it was you who bribed them. If the bribe fails, it's like nothing ever happened
ebon leaf
cancels plan for in-game intimidation system because it won't ever get approved :(
sleek egret
lol sorry
ebon leaf
π oh well
solemn atlas
π
ebon leaf
@sleek egret what was the final verdict on that Fallout 4 VATS system clone on the marketplace? Was that allowed to stay as it was or was that deemed too close to FO4?
sleek egret
We talked to legal it was allowed because it's not ripping anything from the game. The idea is it's UI, it's very much taking in the spirit of the system but not taking anything that's directly copywritten. He's also changed it enough in it's function to not be a direct clone.
That being said if Bethesda contacted us and said hey stop it, we'd respect that and ask the author to change it
ebon leaf
Hmm okay.
jovial thunder
I was wondering about cloned items like that myself, I guess that answers my question
sleek egret
UI is weird and I'm pretty sure our lawyer is superhuman so I trust him
manic jasper
I dont think there is any legal action that could even be taken against something like that. Its not like they are the only company that can make a VATS system
ebon leaf
lol... I can't even imagine the minefield of IP law goign on at Epic's legal department π
solemn atlas
Just dont say Bethesday's name three times in a row or they WILL pop out of no where.
*Bethesda
ebon leaf
@manic jasper Yeah. I was just curious because it was brought up as a topic of discussion in here and we never heard the end result haha.
sleek egret
Our head of legal is pretty great with this so we often run things past him.
delicate dove
Cannon is a real cannon hehe
sleek egret
Lol, yes he is.
thorny zenith
@delicate dove is your assets released on the marketplace yet ?
delicate dove
the 4 more elem one?
thorny zenith
yeah
delicate dove
not yet, waiting patiently
thorny zenith
do you have a release date i want to learn a bit about particles and i think yours is perfect to start with since you work on Rad Rodgers
i really like the particle effect in there π
delicate dove
dunno yet, waiting patiently for the email
thorny zenith
i feel you bro i send my assets and they ask me to add more comment box's and i add now waiting for reply xD
jovial thunder
:You master it after 3-4 submissions :p
tribal jackal
Just comment everything, literally every node
"This node adds this float with this float" good, yes very good
jovial thunder
Comment the reroute nodes too
tribal jackal
I definitely second that
ebon leaf
Comment the comment boxes with some commented comments. Just to be safe.
tribal jackal
Comment the entire Event Graph too
"This. This is the event graph."
"and this is a picture of my dog." Just insert a random link in there so they get a laugh, bingo, you're in.
wicked pebble
Doesn't that fall into bribing?
hardy void
I see someone has headed my advice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5-aFcc3TLQ
this looks pretty good, keep it up guys!
tender flame
Simplygon still can't be downloaded from website and it still on marketplace, why?
jovial thunder
I have always been confused about Simplygon integration in UE4. The SDK has always been enabled for me in the engine
tender flame
@jovial thunder Um. SDK doesn't bundled with ue4...
jovial thunder
I don't know, I just remember the Simplygon stuff used to be greyed out, and then when I upgraded to 4.10, I could do everything I needed to with it in the engine.
gaunt flicker
If you have the SDK, UE4 automatically builds against it
Has been a thing since 4.0
UE3 was similar
tender flame
Well, SG now RIP. And Epic doesn't tell a word...
elfin plinth
heh, just looked around and saw a different kind of news of the MS acquisition
they do have VR tech but it's funny they label it like that
tender flame
@elfin plinth MS wanted something for their Hololens... they shouldn't close the registration tho
leaden root
Anyone here have Ironbelly's 3-Pistol Weapon pack?
elfin plinth
@tender flame it could be mandatory to close it down at least temporarily so they can handle the transition better
basically new users would need to make new contracts/agreements and might not be that simple on such case
tender flame
@elfin plinth well, put a note at least! not that hard!
gaunt flicker
steady vault
@gaunt flicker let's have a look then mate ^^
silver moat
God bless you.
tender flame
@gaunt flicker seller's contact email could be changed at least
gaunt flicker
changed how?
ebon leaf
You can ask Epic to change that. I've done it once.
gaunt flicker
Aye, if the seller requests it to be changed? For sure.
Manually. Without given the heads up.
Will add that in
tender flame
@gaunt flicker nope, iirc its under profile dropdown - seller
ebon leaf
Yeah it's not ideal at all... and there is a field for it on the seller's profile that suggests you can change it π but it only changes for future releases
@tender flame it doesn't change your old releases
gaunt flicker
Does that change across all your assets automatically?
Pretty sure they copy paste
tender flame
@ebon leaf haha, for real? =))
ebon leaf
Yeah. When I changed mine recently (less than 2 months ago) I had to get them to update old packs lol
tender flame
well, mp atm is really crappy
ebon leaf
@gaunt flicker they added a shopping cart yesterday btw π so that bit is wrong
wait nvm π
you covered that
haha
tender flame
@ebon leaf where? i have no shopping cart...
ebon leaf
Yeah I assumed it was added... but looks like it was announced to be added π
west tide
@gaunt flicker nice writeup
gaunt flicker
Thanks yo
lucid osprey
@gaunt flicker that is actually quite good written. you even linked the issue list
and pics
gaunt flicker
#IfYouHaveExamplesUseThem
delicate dove
#AllarHeroOfTheMarketplacePeole
"Marketplace seller emails are listed in an easily parsed form. This means marketplace seller emails are subject to spam bots that work by bots that scrape webpages for email addresses."
I do not get spam on any of my professional email adresses besides the one used on the marketplace.
I'd love for this to change, so I can change the email used for this so I am finally spam-free again.
https://i.gyazo.com/7810e32877d07ee408bb39216d9079eb.png
tender flame
@gaunt flicker About back button, i suggest using "breadcrumbs"
gaunt flicker
I thought about that, I think the launcher is pretty crowded though at its default size
Also, if the act of going back is broken, iunno if I can trust bread crumbs
But a working back, breadcrumbs, anything would be good
tender flame
@gaunt flicker launcher eh...they shoudl add some cetegorization to Vault...now it's just a mess
elfin plinth
does breadcrumbs make the user go back and forth if he/she went back and forth before?
if so, I hate UIs that do that
it's not what users expect
gaunt flicker
@tender flame see navigation section, lol
elfin plinth
(I have no idea what you are talking about)
tender flame
@elfin plinth nope, back is just don't needed then
atm Back is just a history rewind function from chromium engine
elfin plinth
so it goes back and forth if it went like that in history
tender flame
@elfin plinth yep...i think solution should be made in chromium itself, like make several tabs
@elfin plinth each tab has it's own history
@elfin plinth so marketplace will have own
elfin plinth
ah, I'm reading his writeup now
about the images
it's funny that the worst image in the whole marketplace is from Epic itself
it's some infinity blade asset packs preview that was like over 4k I think in resolution and 32bit, found it by looking windirstat for large folders and spotted that was the one that reserved most space from marketplace cache files
apparently they wanted it to look good in comparison to others :p
tender flame
I'd like to offer help to Epic, but, I think they have some "trust issues", at least they never responded to my offers. π
elfin plinth
@gaunt flicker one thing that actually bugs me the most is the "You have available updates on your vault" icon, you know, the red-orange one and if you have a huge vault, it'll take a while to spot the icons as they often blend into vault items image, I know they are partly offset but it's still annoying
most of the time I have to scroll back and forth few times to spot the items
instead, they could just list the items when you click that notification and even better if they let you update them all there with a single button click
there's been many feature requests on the forum about this too
but epic pretty much ignores the issue
gaunt flicker
Link me forum threads?
elfin plinth
sometimes when I use UI/UX like that, I feel like the designers don't ever use the system themselves
one sec
gaunt flicker
literally posted within one day of eachother, lul
elfin plinth
yeah, I missed the other one due to bad search skills
gaunt flicker
@elfin plinth Updated, added section before annoying back button
elfin plinth
thanks, nice video!
delicate dove
allar has all the marketplace packs
tender flame
Btw, i've noticed some issue, are the Epic's projects come with DerivedDataCache???
elfin plinth
@delicate dove only one infinity blade pack though
delicate dove
*almost all
solemn atlas
@gaunt flicker How about a bookmark or add to watch list for buyers? I know I run across assets I would like to try but don't want to get right now and have no way to remember them except to put them in another document or slack or something. And . . well. . those other guys have the feature and its pretty nice to have.
gaunt flicker
I definitely feel that
However I feel like thats something not possible without fixing the existing issues
solemn atlas
Understood. Just be nice to add to the roadmap
solemn atlas
lol
spice venture
Hey guys, I have a problem. I have around $30 on my account balance, but it is not enough to purchase the asset. Is there any way to add funds? Because I cannot split the price between my "account balance" and the payment method. When I choose the "credit card" option, it just unchecks my account balance option and makes me pay the whole price from card
thorny zenith
guys how do i gain access to the creators hub :/
my submission to the marketplace is approved already
heady moth
That gets added once it's released/have the badge
thorny zenith
oh thanks @heady moth π
delicate dove
@spice venture you sure? i thought that was possible
spice venture
How?
delicate dove
cant remember, did that about a year ago to get rid of the last few cents on there
heady moth
i recall something vague too
tulip sonnet
Hey all. Just released our first asset pack. It's a first person shooter voice pack. It has all the sounds your player would need, plus a bunch of other phrases http://www.vapsquad.com/product/fps-voice-pack-exdevlin/
leaden root
Has anyone ever had an issue with the marketplace not downloading the entire asset pack but it thinks it has
elfin plinth
I kinda wonder why unauthorized use of illustration images are still allowed on marketplace?
I seriously doubt people get right to use movie screenshots etc as their product images
I'm not surprized that people do that, I'm surprized that Epic doesn't stop that before submission is approved
tribal jackal
No idea, I saw a few instances of it happening and it kind of looks weird hah, but what can you really show in a Voicepack? :/
tulip sonnet
it might be some assets from photodune or whatever
I didn't recognize the image personally
ebon leaf
I think it's a bit ridiculous that sound assets need 5 screenshots XD but yeah, unauthorized use should be used to stopped asap
elfin plinth
that image could be legit I guess, but it does look like someone just ripped it from a movie screenshot. We've seen skyrim screenshots on audio packs in past too.
dire bridge
Any idea when the marketplace updates? The 4.15 substance plugin has already been submitted to Epic apparently
ebon leaf
@dire bridge it's the weekend, so you wont see anythign until at least monday
dire bridge
Yeah I meant if they perhaps have a schedule for it, like every Tuesday or something
ebon leaf
Ah nah. it usually jsut happens between 1 and 3 days after creators/companies submit update files to epic
lean venture
Hey, anyone from Romania around here?
Preferably someone who actually sold something on the MP, from Romania, please
nova scaffold
@elfin plinth maybe sounds are from movie too π
Image can be from a legit source, you can buy those kind of things
solemn atlas
@timber sparrow I like that pack you shared yesterday. . But wow does the image on the pack asset in no way match the voice π Good work on the crisp clean audio though. .
tribal jackal
For the Long Description, do they mean that long description that has the video link, etc. at the bottom of marketplace assets?
ebon leaf
^^ That is the long description
tribal jackal
Ahh okay so it is what I was thinking, thanks @ebon leaf π
ebon leaf
No worries.
deep folio
Anyone here use the Quality Game Settings pack?
I have a strange issue. when I open the menu it shifts the window a little .. like that old effect you would get on and analog tv when someone turned on an appliance near it.
Anyone have any idea what would cause that sort of thing?
tribal jackal
Oh wow that's weird, is it playing an animation that shears it side-to-side? @deep folio
deep folio
yeah
sort of shifts it just a tiny bit
and almost like shifts just the bottom or something
I've merged this into 2 separate projects and I get the same result from both. Now that doesnt exclude the implimentor (me) lol .. but I am fairly sure I followed the merge instructions ver batum.
humble stag
Hi, I am the asset developer, That shear animation is intended as visible feedback. You can disable it in WB_SettingsClassicMain https://i.imgur.com/OURJPRE.png
It was added since it felt like the menu did not give a good feedback when changed, but I see that it might not be everyone's cup of tea. I'm going to update the manual with this info.
@deep folio Info has been added to the problem section of manual. Part 8.27. Sorry for your trouble, and thanks for feedback.
humble stag
You're welcome π Thank you
ebon leaf
Any interest in humanoid IK blueprint stuff for feet hips and hands for something around 10 bucks at most? (depending on how much epic wants really)
Been working on a system thats quickly turning into something pretty nice, to a point where i would feel right charging for it, apart from obviously liking to make some money, the main idea is that i feel like the current IK stuff on marketplace is too pricy, and i feel like it would be good if theres something to cover at least humanoids at a more affordable pricerange
solemn atlas
I'd appreciate any retweets I can get from my awesome #fab friends. π https://twitter.com/CorcraStudio/status/833358937260859392
ebon leaf
Ewww it's on the unity store as well π almost didn't retweet because of that XD
solemn atlas
Thanks man. . But. . got to try and make a living. . And beside. . UE4 is my prefered platform!! π
Well. . make a living so I can quit my main living? Type thing
ebon leaf
haha I'm just messing with you π
thin barn
Done π Since UE4 is your preferred platform, you are excused for also making a Unity version. π
solemn atlas
π Thank you kindly @thin barn
thin barn
@solemn atlas you're welcome! π
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6083754?hl=en&ref_topic=2795929
hmm the UE4 marketplace isn't part of YTs approved retailers, so we can't link to it in cards/annotations in the product trailer right?
ebon leaf
that looks like it specifically covers merchandise and crowdfunding, of which UE4 assets are neither... but probably best to find a way to ask Youtube tbh
thin barn
Gumroad is on the list of retailers for example. However this is probably something that Epic would have to discuss with Google/Alphabet to get it added. For now I can only put the link in the description I guess. π
ebon leaf
You can sell physical products on gumroad though - thus it would make sense that it is listed as a merchandising agent as you could sell your merchandise via gumroad. UE4 marketplace sells digital items only - you don't sell merchandise, nor is it a crowdfunding source, so it shouldn't be listed as either.
thin barn
I don't think that applies for iTunes and my Steam games aren't exactly merchandise. π I don't know what criteria they have to be added to the list of retailers tho.
ebon leaf
Yeah I dunno about those two. but the way that reads it doesn't mention marketplaces at all - it specifically states merchandising and crowdfunding so I don't really think it's applicable - again - you should probably ask youtube about it though π
thin barn
Is there any way we can send notes for the asset reviewer / team along with the initial marketplace asset submission?
I don't want to make my description too technical, but it might be nice for the reviewer to know some more details. heh
flat schooner
I think all the things reviever has to know also potential client should know
ebon leaf
Sort of... but you can provide video tutorials for clients, whilst a reviewer might not necessarily use those lol
I usually just include anything extra in the email outside of the description fields and that in a message at the top. Though I've only had to do it once when a reviewer had issues getting my pack to work lol
thin barn
@ebon leaf what email / message at the top? π Do you mean an additional email after the submission on https://publish.unrealengine.com/marketplace-submission ?
ebon leaf
Oh lol no. I meant when they ask for your files I include it in there.
thin barn
Ahh yeah, that's what I'm going to try as well then. :p
thin barn
Is there a high-res UE4 marketplace logo available somewhere to use in the MP asset video?
humble stag
@thin barn You can find some official UE4 logo released here. https://www.unrealengine.com/branding-guidelines-and-trademark-usage
thin barn
Yeah thx I know, but I meant the marketplace logo specifically. ^^ Anyways I uploaded my trailer with a kinda lowres version for now... maybe I can find a better resolution version later on...
elfin plinth
I sometimes wonder how many actually make the trademark license before they slap UE4 logo on their trailer
afaik, you can't just stamp it there before making that agreement
hollow falcon
thats a statement. The search was content. Now it's all wrapped up in a blankey with a marshmallow based cafe latte.
ebon leaf
...I have no idea what you mean by that XD
hollow falcon
then my work here is done. I'm off back to Donald Trump's cabinet.
ebon leaf
God speed π
wooden falcon
omg...is that a shopping cart I see in the MP?!
you bastards! how dare you do that to my wallet
ebon leaf
haha
For anyone wanting to test out the shopping cart, might I suggest all three of my packs XD haha π
wooden falcon
I think this will be a really helpful improvement
now if we could only get notifications on comments on our pack pages π
ebon leaf
lol that would be good.. And yeah... the shopping cart is going to be a nice addition, particularly for the nex tbig sale event
silver moat
"When you announce you have a new free update with lots of new content, and you get a downvote".
ebon leaf
that;ll learn you for having free content!
west merlin
Marketplace won't open :/
ebon leaf
Launcher or browser?
west merlin
in-engine; i found out that the launcher has it too so I'm good now π
ebon leaf
okay π
west merlin
Is stuff you buy on the marketplace able to be used... say commercially?
ebon leaf
Yep
ebon leaf
As long as you don't mean selling that stuff as a product for others XD like... you can't buy models on the marketplace then sell those models π
but you can sell movies, games, etc. made using them π
west merlin
nah just game xD
tribal jackal
Is it okay for me to put the video that I put on the submission on Public? I put it on Unlisted just in case
ebon leaf
Yeah you can share watever videos of your own content that you want
tribal jackal
Alright, just makin' sure
Well if anyone is interested, I uploaded the video showcasing my 'hopefully going to be accepted' Interface Package (the video honestly isn't the greatest, something I compiled up in a couple hours): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPQ3hAth39k
delicate dove
https://i.gyazo.com/2122770ec8f3191f05badfd1f9a476e8.png
thats new, never seen this before.
ebon leaf
lol...
delicate dove
@sleek egret care to explain that one? :p
ebon leaf
@tribal jackal nice video π
tribal jackal
Thanks! @ebon leaf π
wooden falcon
what's the problem Luos?
delicate dove
unless I also had a sale, and there was a fraudulent purchase it makes sense.
but in most cases wouldnt we still recieve an email about it?
wooden falcon
sometimes they're delayed, no?
shrewd ember
@tribal jackal Very nice.
tribal jackal
@shrewd ember Thanks π
silver moat
Congratulations. @delicate dove
delicate dove
did I miss something or was that sarcasm that went over my head? :p
@silver moat
solemn atlas
@tribal jackal Dude. . I like your UI! I actually had saved your character screen shot shared a little bit ago as a ref image. but. . might pick this up from you π Let us know when its listed!
quaint cedar
@tribal jackal Awesome UI
Did you do the animations view the UMG controls?
Isn't that a pain in the a..
stark zinc
I just read the marketplace submission guidelines. Did I get that right, submissions are not allowed to use the DemoRoom assets to showcase the content? It really is a great and easy way to display what material functions do. Would be a shame if I had to replace those.
delicate dove
they are
humble stag
You can use the demo asset, as long as they are used as an example and are not your projects selling point.
delicate dove
just put them in a seperate showcase folder thats easy deletable
stark zinc
Ah, ok.
delicate dove
also, hnng some of those things
stark zinc
One other thing I found a bit, hmm, let's say unfortunate, is this statement about included public domain content: "You must include a link to the source content on the product page that includes the public domain usage information. " I have to add a link to wikipedia on the product page to that old painting I use as test image to showcase my material functions.
stark zinc
Yes, sounds a bit strange for marketing reasons. You potentially need to have a list of a handful of pretty long links to a few unimportant assets, right there where you describe your project for every customer to see. That's like stating on your awesome package containing 20 animated, AAA characters, "Oh there are also 3 boring sound files included". For marketing reasons you would not mention the unimportant on the product page.
A better place would be imo in the package itself.
Though, I kinda disagree that public domain assets need to be referenced, when any other assets not created by yourself, which have a different license, do not.
delicate dove
just use the google url shorterner or so.
though imho (might want to ask @proven lily or @sleek egret about it) if its linked on your forum thread that should be enough
tribal jackal
@solemn atlas Thanks! Will do π @quaint cedar Yes, I made the animations through UMG π
sleek egret
@delicate dove What's up?
sleek egret
Sure
wooden falcon
shopping carts in the MP, I'm not sure I can deal with these break neck changes π
sleek egret
@stark zinc We do require that you cite where the assets you're using for showcase came from. Some people credit this at the end of their long description, some choose to add it in their technical details. Where you put it and how you format it doesn't matter so much as long as the information is there and clearly accessible.
wooden falcon
and in case no one noticed, when there are multiple pages on the MP, it hilights the one you're on at the bottom now!
sleek egret
@wooden falcon All the changes!
wooden falcon
someone must have bought a book on css! π
quaint cedar
@sleek egret Hey there, we had a reported thread today about a project that was selling on gum, and it has Mixamo Animations in there.
I feel like it should be pointed out way more that this is actively reselling and mixamo doesn't want that
I feel like people aren't aware of the fact that only because the Animations are free for everyone, they can't be in the projects they openly sell
wooden falcon
I'm actually afraid of trying out the shopping cart...I just know I'll accidentally buy the whole MP
quaint cedar
He did not submit to Marketplace yet, afaik, but in general it should be a rule written down
@wooden falcon That's fine, that means you buy my stuff
wooden falcon
lol
quaint cedar
:D
sleek egret
@quaint cedar What's the asset called?
sleek egret
Thank you!
quaint cedar
He also has a marketplace thread
I removed the links there too though
See private message
sleek egret
Okay cool thank you.
wooden falcon
it's probably just Truebones
delicate dove
hehe
stark zinc
@sleek egret, does this citation for asset sources have to be on the product page or is it fine to do so on the forums, in a text file in the package or in the showcase map of the project?
sleek egret
It has to be accessible from your product page so if you have a lot you can use a document but it has to be linked on your product page
stark zinc
Ok. As I understand this though, this is strictly a requirement for public domain content, right? So to avoid having to put a link on the product page, which 99% of customers are not interested in, one could just replace any public domain content with content with any other license like MIT, any CC license, etc. Am I getting this right?
zealous ibex
@tribal jackal late, but your UI package looks AMZING!!!!!!
tribal jackal
@zealous ibex thanks π
wicked pebble
Yeah @tribal jackal it's amazing.
Might consider getting it just from sheer aesthetics.
tribal jackal
@wicked pebble β€
I plan on doing a giant update in 3 months, so if you see some stuff missing that you'd like added, feel free to PM me! π
Well, hopefully it gets on the Marketplace π
wicked pebble
I'm sure it will. It's top quality. π
thin barn
@tribal jackal The UI and video are great, don't worry I'm sure Epic wants to see that on the Marketplace. ^^
We submitted our assets on the same day I think, so good luck to both of us I guess. ;D
@stark zinc afaik you aren't allowed to use content from others with other licenses AT ALL. The exception is the content provided by Epic for free.
So using public domain content and crediting it with a shortened link on the storepage is probably your best bet. π
gloomy bramble
Unusable on mobile.
Can someone else test marketplace on mobile? Pages not even loading
Ok it finished
@sleek egret could you please pass this onto the team?
@tribal jackal nice :)
tribal jackal
@gloomy bramble Thanks!
summer jacinth
Does anyone know if Epic will grant free access to specific people for products on the marketplace? I have a friend who wants to get into UE4 and I wanted to give him all my content, but would rather not do it outside of the launcher
ebon leaf
@summer jacinth Yeah, you jsut need to email them asking for him to get entitlements to it and supply them with the email he uses for his UE account
summer jacinth
Thanks!
ebon leaf
Just announced the newest pack I'm working on if anyone is interested :)
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?137594-BOOM!-Explosives-Toolkit
delicate dove
id use longer stills on each so people can read and still watch the effects a little, i find myself constantly rewinding :p
i know its just a short video of work in progress, but a steady cam would help a lot.
wicked pebble
@ebon leaf I agree with Luos, it is way too fast.
ebon leaf
@delicate dove @wicked pebble no worries, thanks guys π it is indeed intended only to be a quick WIP video but I will be recording something a bit nicer hopefully later today when the demo level is a bit more developed π Thanks for the feedback.
delicate dove
when done you should do this oldskool 90's commercial
"red barrels for only 39,99!! but WAIT! THERE IS MORE!!"
GREEN BARRELS RED BARRELS BLUE BARRELS, and if you order RIGHT NOW! GRENADES!
because red barrels are so 90's
ebon leaf
haha ikr XD I would love to do some of that sorta thing... but sadly artistic talent is not my strong suit at all π so it'd just turn out awful, and not in a good way haah
ebon leaf
So... it would appear the launcher isn't letting people purchase things atm... but the website works...
hmm I thin krestarting it worked
yeah looks like it was just an update π false alarm XD
wooden falcon
and be sure to include this line "Those demon imps aren't going to blow themselves!"
ebon leaf
lol...
solemn atlas
@ebon leaf Looks good man. . AND be sure to use your awesome accent to narrate it. . Just saying. . I am more apt to purchase something from someone if they talk about it. . Oh how I do not like youtube tutorials where the person spends more than 80% of the time typing on Notepad to tell you what they are doing. . Please. . oh please tutorial people. . just buy a mic!! Please. . you sound wonderful cause your brain is sexy!!
And I went off on a tangent in my comment to simply tell you . . Looks good man! π
wooden falcon
I dunno, I've heard some terrible youtubers and thought "Please, oh please use notepad!"
π
ones that sound like they're eating their mic
or ones that though it would be super awesome to do a video with a hacking cough
solemn atlas
Well. . ok. . i will conceed that point. . a little π
wooden falcon
thought*
wicked pebble
"And uh.." "then uh..." "finally uh..."
solemn atlas
I would rather hear that then nothing honestly.
Over pollished alaso is a turn off π
Yes!! The bottom of my first cup of coffee!! I can FEEL it working in me!! COFFEE POWER!
solemn atlas
Well. . there is something worst.
Spending 2 to 5 minutes talking about where you have been and thanks for liking and subscribing and how your dog is. . JUST TELL ME HOW TO DO THIS THING please π
wicked pebble
Yep
solemn atlas
As you can see. . I need more coffee π
wicked pebble
Or slightly less haha
solemn atlas
Ok. . Back on track for the channel.
What have you all used for advertising or getting the word out for your asset and how well has it worked?
wicked pebble
Do you guys think more characters in mp would be good?
Twitter instagram and YouTube seem like the best.
solemn atlas
I don't know why I have been dragging my feet on getting a video out. I used to love making videos.
wooden falcon
I don't know how well characters sell, but I'd say the more the merrier
I honestly don't know how well anything sells π except for my own packs, and the answer there is poorly
probably due to me not promoting them on twitter, instagram or youtube
solemn atlas
Hence my question about getting the word out π
wooden falcon
yah, a lot of people around here retweet each other
solemn atlas
Oh why did you guys have to say instagram. . Do people really use it? Tech savy people? I mean. . I just made an account for my studio and wow. . the sugested people to follow. . What has this world come to?!
solemn atlas
He's not even in the sugestion. . Those lazy good for nothing, never did anything for society sisters. . OMG. . WHY? Are people that dumb? And I know.. . I know. π¦
wooden falcon
lemme guess, kardashians? I don't even know how to spell it
solemn atlas
yes
wooden falcon
I liked them better when they were just crappy aliens on Star Trek
solemn atlas
YES! Me too!
unique whale
Marketplace frontpage needs to have it's featured packs updated to reflect the new packs that went live today
wicked pebble
Isn't that what the new content tab is for?
wooden falcon
I have no words: https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/fat-unicorn
solemn atlas
You know you want top buy it!
wooden falcon
lol, look at the comments
solemn atlas
And my asset is now the last one on the new assets list on the front page.
gaunt flicker
AHAHAHAHAHAAH IM FUCKING DYING
solemn atlas
π¦
elfin plinth
Normal maps and additional animations will be available for the next version.
it'll look highpoly then
1- low-poly character
2- Standard and Specular Textures ```specular textures?
wooden falcon
unity pack?
gaunt flicker
God I love everything about this
elfin plinth
well at least someone bought it right away ;D
I notice we have a cart on marketplace now
gaunt flicker
Oh I'm not going to buy it
wooden falcon
does it poop skittles?
elfin plinth
has it been there for a long time?
elfin plinth
that's a welcome addition π
solemn atlas
Now I just wish for a wish list!!
wooden falcon
yah, but when you hit Buy, it replaces all of your packs with https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/fat-unicorn and https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/yughues-wooden-crates
solemn atlas
And I am digging the female mannequin! Its perfect. . And he didnt make it slutty which is a HUGE bonus in my book!!!
elfin plinth
@wooden falcon that crate pack is 5 stars, mind you
ebon leaf
lol... people are actually getting angry about that unicorn. What the hell
solemn atlas
I know
wooden falcon
to each their own I guess...you could always do a Diablo 3 clone with the unicorn π
elfin plinth
I'm not angry, I just don't like that they have double standards
solemn atlas
??
elfin plinth
they clearly allow all kinds of content that's against their own rules
and then for some they are really strict
I'm pretty sure those specular textures are not meant for ue4's PBR material system
wooden falcon
"Scaled to Epic skeleton: Yes"
ebon leaf
@elfin plinth I wasn't commenting on your comments. That's valid... I mean comments like the one on the page saying "this isn't hte unity asset store" and things like that
wooden falcon
how?
wooden falcon
does that just mean it doesn't have weird dimensions in game?
wooden falcon
hahaha
gaunt flicker
Its scaled, it just has a yuge ass
gaunt flicker
and its crouching
wooden falcon
can a second player control the rear end?
elfin plinth
must be awesome when the rear clips into all geometry
solemn atlas
Look. . You are all coming up with some pretty amazing game ideas already π
elfin plinth
also
the preview video is same as on unity asset store
so I bet it's not even UE4 footage
only image that is from UE4 is that one with capsule placement
ebon leaf
hmm... that torture pack seems waaaay overpriced
wooden falcon
that's part of the torture
gaunt flicker
Quality level restrictions -> wooden crate pack
ebon leaf
lol
wooden falcon
"This is absolutely amazing." - Allar
quaint cedar
Hm, I don't know what to say about that Unicorn
quaint cedar
Texture Resolutions: 4000 x 4000
gaunt flicker
Dawg, it has 16,000,000 resolutions
quaint cedar
I mean, if it works with all the animations etc, then there is nothing really against it.
Despite looking weird.
elfin plinth
well, it's not like it's the worst asset around, it's just clearly not made properly for UE4
wooden falcon
why does it look so familiar though. Did this guy rip off the Oatmeal?
quaint cedar
Yeah
So only the values need to be adjusted a bit
The asset itself is a stylized fat unicorn
Ican live with that
ebon leaf
Yeah... I don't see an issue with the unicorn at all, as long as it meets submissions standards (PBR, capsule, etc.). If it doesn't then yeah, Epic shouldn't have cleared it... but someone will use it. Hell, I want to make a crazy fat unicorn platforming game now XD
quaint cedar
I kinda want it
wooden falcon
lol
quaint cedar
I mean, if we have Robot Unicorn Attack, which I played on Facebook first, now made in UE4
then we can have a fat unicorn on the market
solemn atlas
I should grab it for my final boss fight in my Fantasy Survival RPG game!! Who needs dragons!!?
ebon leaf
@solemn atlas to address your earlier response to me btw - I will be doing a proper trailer with music and stuff, and then tutorials with my soothing accent π
solemn atlas
Oh baby!! YES!!
wooden falcon
this guy might have started his own sub-genre on the MP now...forget Stylized Low Poly...Fat Low Poly Unicorns
ebon leaf
i'd play a game made entirely in that art style π it'd be a jolly laugh
solemn atlas
@ebon leaf I just can't let my GF listen to your tutorials. . I might lose her to you!
wooden falcon
I mean, you could just buy up all the low poly environments and just have him gallop around them
ebon leaf
@solemn atlas lol XD
delicate dove
well its good to know anything is now permitted on the ue4 marketplace :p
wooden falcon
haha
solemn atlas
Come on now
wooden falcon
some people put a lot of hard work into a pack...and some don't π
I feel like this pack should have had more fat mythical animals, though
a fat pegasus
elfin plinth
@heady moth you didn't enjoy the spec textures? :/
heady moth
I mean i like the fact it's a fat unicorn, that looks very stoned but quality? >.>
elfin plinth
or innovative capsule placement
heady moth
It's the new standard, didn't you know?
elfin plinth
or that it doesn't look anything like the images when you see it in the last editor image
(mainly because it's not in UE4 on others)
wicked pebble
At least with that as the standard I'd feel calmer about submitting stuff lol
wooden falcon
most things of that quality don't get approved
I've submitted crap that was rightfully denied before, which makes you actually work to improve
but then you see the above mentioned crates, and you wonder "wtf..."
of course, getting their stuff on the MP doesn't mean it will sell
delicate dove
< sends 4.11 up to 4.15 content for my particle pack
they only upload 4.15 version..
ebon leaf
@delicate dove if you're lucky, they combined all those versions into one module π
wooden falcon
heh
ebon leaf
so you'll get 5 versions of every file XD More is better right?!
delicate dove
hehe
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/basic-magic-fx
^ literally part of my tutorial stuff and the vfx equivelent of that unicorn
@proven lily someone messed up quite badly this time
ebon leaf
12 effects that are all slight variations on each other for $20 seems a bit steep given the other effects you can get on the marketplace already
delicate dove
the effect above those sigils is literally a tutorial i did, just diff scale.
delicate dove
a few hehe
delicate dove
they are, but hey
lean venture
Hey guys, quick question: if I submit a paid project which showcases a particular usage/implementation of a paid plugin, it's unknown at the moment if it would be accepted?
NOTE: both the plugin and the project would be my own intellectual property
Or how about a different submission which contains the said paid plugin + the project with its usage?
tulip sonnet
Hey all. Just uploaded my second asset pack. Would love some feedback on what you think of the marketing imagery. Maybe some ideas on things to change?
quaint cedar
@lean venture I'm pretty sure project are not allowed to depend on outside plugins by default. Your plugin, if you sell it, needs an example usage in said plugin submission anyway. The only thing that could work is combining both in one project
lean venture
Well, yes, that was my last question
ebon leaf
Stephanie said, a week or three ago, that making products that depend on other marketplace products is fine... as long as you own them and make it incredibly clear in the information.
lean venture
If I combine them both, can't I treat it as a separate product?
Ah ok
Now this might sound a bit selfish, but
ebon leaf
but you can certainly sell 'bundled' products. Ironbelly does that, as do some o fthe character creators. That said, I'm not sure how it'd go packaging two different types of products (project and plugin) in a bundle. Probably best to approach epic directly about that
lean venture
Is there a way of saying "by purchasing this product you agree that you will not create and/or distribute tutorials on how to use it, other than the official documentation"?
Yea, i'll have to approach them about the legal part as well
But I'm still untangling some code before I submiy
I don't want anyone reviewing it and saying "bah, too much work, i'll just decline it"
ebon leaf
that sounds unusual in its restrictiveness, but also kinda like an NDA so maybe
why wouldn't you want others making tutorials on your stuff?
And... yeah you'd probably need to ask Epic about that one too.AFAIK there's not been any specific limitations/licence restrictions applied on a specific product on the marketplace
lean venture
If someone else makes a tutorial on how to use my plugin, then why would anyone ever buy my own project with my own implementation and usage of the plugin?
That's the only reason
ebon leaf
Ah I see.
lean venture
I don't have my mind set on much atm, but I generally like to research before I jump in
ebon leaf
I wouldn't buy anything with a description like this: "by purchasing this product you agree that you will not create and/or distribute tutorials on how to use it, other than the official documentation"
they might still buy your tutorials over free ones if they were convinced yours was much better than the free ones
lean venture
I'm not talking about 5-20mins tutorials though
I'm talking about something like full networking templates with voice chat and what not
Which would take me tens of hours to create
If someone else creates similar templates then I'm limited to sales of my plugin alone
ebon leaf
Then you shouldn't be worried either... if I was like "okay... I can follow tutorials and itll take me 10-30 hours... of I can buy this thing for <InsertPriceHere>"... the price is the only thing that would impact that decision lol
lean venture
Yea, thats certainly a valid point of view
But I think its wise of me to ask around a bit before actually submitting
ebon leaf
Definitely.
solemn atlas
For example.
Could I do the things in @ebon leaf's asset packs? Sure. . Did I save a bunch of time by picking it up. OH YES!
If its a good asset pack then I will make a judgment call on what my time for the tutorial is worth compared to the price of the pack.
Ok. . going back to working and lurking. .
wicked pebble
you don't lose anything by asking, but definitely what @ebon leaf just said. π @lean venture
deep harbor
Verified, having the same issue, if Epic Games needs a new frontend developer, I am available π lol
gloomy bramble
LOL
@worn jewel i know it's not your area, but could you pass it onto the appropriate person?
proven lily
Hey @gloomy bramble, the best thing to do with this would be to make a bug report post on the answerhub at answers.unrealengine.com. They'll be able to assist you further there.
tribal jackal
I did β
gloomy bramble
LOL
solemn prism
I just bought it
leaden root
What the hell is that haha
leaden root
Its a reflection of the quality of the marketplace itself
elfin plinth
@lean venture I'd never buy a plugin that came with so poor docs/examples that you couldnt use it without buying exclusive training material. IMO those guides should be taken into account on the plugins price
lean venture
Let me put it bluntly
Its a native steamworks integration plugin
No matter how many docs I write for it or how well I write them, there's always going go be the possibility of creating "works of art" with it (from a technical point of view ofc)
Either I create those usage templates or I let people browse through Steam's documentation. And good luck with that
It's one thing to document what the plugin does (i.e. "exposes method X") and a totally different thing on how to use it
elfin plinth
What's wrong in the way that is usually dealt? You put the price higher for the plugin and those tutorials are part of the deal?
lean venture
For example, one of the most requested featues is building a dedicated server
elfin plinth
You try to complicate this and restrict what people can do with the product
lean venture
That's easy and that's not worth a too high price
I'm not trying anything, i'm brainstorming
If it's anything I'm trying, is just settling on one way of exposing things to BP in an easy way atm
Cos no matter how I do it, Steam's still an entangled mess
leaden root
If you're afraid that people will create free guides on how to use your plugin, then you should revalue your official guide
humble stag
@lean venture If I one day need a steam plugin for unreal, I'd love to buy one that keeps up to date, includes a network example, server browsing, UMG friends list, voice, cloud save ++. What I'm paying for is a time saver. I want good documentation and a well done working example project in a complete package. There will always be someone who wants it for free, but if it saves me days of work, It's worth the price. Keeping the asset up to date with api and add more steam interaction features over time is also a great anti piracy move. Make your asset the latest no hassel version.
nova scaffold
That kind of agreeement attached to the plugin would be quite a weird one. If you do something like this, someone might make the same plugin just out of spite, cause right now it looks more like one needs to buy a plugin and then separately documentation for it. It just sounds weird. Scraphead is on point here, it would be better to include tutorials or whatnot into the plugin package.
west tide
I agree. Tutorials on the plugin should come with it when I buy it.
But I understand your point of view @lean venture. I would suggest you should not name it "tutorial" because that implies that it is required for someone who want to use the plugin. If it adds value outside the scope of the original plugin then name it "quick start templates" or "quick start projects", so people understand what it is for.
plush pond
Marketplace team probably didnt want to make the fat unicorn go through, but when they rejected it, DigiBuild asked why not. No other option than to just release it
elfin plinth
Why not? It is not ue4 ready
elfin plinth
Spec texture, wonky collision, looks nothing like images/video when in ue4 level
It's just low effort unity asset port
oak fiber
well, I dunno if the intent was to get me to NOT buy that Unicorn, but you had the opposite effect
solemn prism
π
lean venture
@humble stag as I said, I am handling the documentation which describes the USAGE of the plugin. But the plugin's purpose/description is "importing steamworks SDK", not "displaying the usage of the steamworks SDK". Steam hs their own documentation. My own opinion is that it's very very poor, but it is also quite extensive (it's not a small program/SDK). I can't rewrite it just so people can understand how to use the plugin. It's one thing to buy something off the marketplace which makes use of UE4 code and expecting it to include documentation on how to use the said code and it's a totally different thing to buy something which links UE to a third party software and expecting to find documentation on how that third party software works. I find it illogical (and also too time-consuming) to re-write Steam's documentation just to showcase its advanced features (i.e. voice, friends etc). For basic features (i.e. server hosting/browsing), it's a whole different story
@nova scaffold Some tutorials will ofc be included, such as using async calls and the above-mentioned server hosting/browsing, that's for sure. I was talking about the more advanced stuff, as mentioned in the reply above
nova scaffold
@lean venture I understand your position on this. From user perspective, I guess they want to itegrate specific features of the steamworks instead of only having access to its API. I mean if someone still needs to write everything from scratch and understand how it all works under the hood. Then why use plugin at all?
lean venture
Understanding how it all works is something I'm definitely writing, but only as summary
They'd use the plugin to implement features on their own
I'm not importing 10-20 functions/methods
I'm importing almost 700
Asking me to provide examples for all of that is almost as illogical as expecting me to test 700/700 functions on all 3 platforms which I intend the plugin to be used on (Win/Linux/Mac)
nova scaffold
Its your choice, I'm just saying that don't be surprised if someone releases plugins which implement specific fucntionality of Steamworks out of the box
depends on your target audience
is it for someone who doesn't want to dig into Steamworks at all and just want to have Friend list support and a lobby, or for someone who is able to code all that himself and just wants to save some time