fab

[drowsy plaza]

Interesting, do you sell everyday or just a consistent pattern? I sell almost everyday outside of that 7 day period between the 5th and 11th-12th

[fluid chasm]

I haven't found a plugin that has the level of complexity that mine does - I found some with nicer graphics though, but mine allows you to make pretty much anything with it - including custom markdown and localization

[mild garden]

I dont sell literally everyday, but on most days I do sell at least something, it's more of a consistent pattern I would say

[green seal]

I definitely haven’t noticed any fluctuations/drops like you’re describing, pretty stable, some days more some days less but no gaps

[drowsy plaza]

<@&213101288538374145> someone posted a scam link, can you remove them please? Thank you

[fluid chasm]

<@&213101288538374145> another scam link

[tame compass]

scam link

[pulsar nova]

https://tenor.com/view/why-do-the-mean-mods-sanat1ve-why-do-the-mean-mean-mods-mean-mods-keep-banning-gif-25086533

[drowsy plaza]

This made me laugh way too hard

They were nice enough to give away 50 dollars on steam just in time for the steam sale

[fossil dune]

Just upload it bro...
The people who are making mad money from Fab will most likely never respond...
For obvious reasons...
The gaming industry is monied if you know how to navigate it

[warm knot]

The Nigerian Prince has been updating his scam software.

[lucid basin]

pluggins i download dont work, i installed a pluggin witch is activated but theres nowhere to be found, also i have other pluggin that i installed witch is activated but even that doesnt work, can someone help me?

[rare helm]

sales for my products has stopped since moving to fab, its because my sales was depending on monthly individual sales for all my products

[split iron]

I never did individual sales but they decreased significantly for me too

[drowsy plaza]

Usually if people only buy a product when it’s in a discount that means that the product is too high priced, when discounts can be done regularly this can be intentional but right now maybe try lowering your base price closer to the discount price until discounts come back

[rare helm]

Good idea i will try decreasing my prices although they are not high, just became old and undiscoverable thats why sales helped back then

[rare helm]

I thought they would increase, idk what happened to traffic

[still basin]

The higher is your price, the more people will wait for a discount if they want the asset

[drowsy plaza]

Mine did increase on fab for most products(except in January when they broke search). I have seen it be a mixed bag where some people have increased traffic and some have decreased traffic. I would say search works different so maybe try to change tags and title names

Me and @undone valve Both saw increases in sales with fab compared to the marketplace

But both of us have different products being pushed compared to the marketplace. My big sellers on the marketplace do worse on fab but my lower sellers there do better on fab

I think with fab catchy branded titles don’t do as well as descriptive titles

[undone valve]

Yeah so for me it fell down a cliff but then I adjusted to how the new marketplace worked and since then my sales are 57% higher on average than on the UEM

[drowsy plaza]

Yeah I’m considering renaming some of my products that don’t sell too well but I don’t want to confuse people who already bought it

[oblique copper]

Hi all , wondering if a ranged weapon like a gun is set up with GAS , can a guy still use a standard apply damage node , maybe with a cast to or something to apply damage? thanks

[still basin]

Sales has been down for my by a lot on the release of FAB and its been lower until now with the revamp of the marketplace. Last sale was also very good

I used to be very skeptical of FAB but now I'm getting optimistic 🙂

[drowsy plaza]

I’m happy to see that user sentiment in fab is getting better. It’s not good for anyone involved with the platform if everyone has negative feelings towards it.

I do wonder what’s gonna happen with all those people who made their own store fronts to try to compete with fab now that fab is half way through their roadmap and will likely be done by June

Fab realistically should have delayed their launch until November of 2025 and done a open beta during the period where you could use it alongside the marketplace

[warm knot]

I haven't tried GAS myself yet, but you'd get a better answer over at the General channel instead of this one.

[warm knot]

That would have made more sense.

[drowsy plaza]

I have a plugin that handles everything you need for shooting a gun, it’s housed in a component and supports projectiles and line traces. The line traces come with damage, destruction, ballistic movement, wall penetration, physical materials, impact effects, and a bunch more

[oblique copper]

I am already using Narrative Pro plugin , i just don't know much about GAS and am trying to add a turret in and turret can't damage player and player can't damage turret. So i'm trying to figure a way to get the damage going. What is your plugin?

[drowsy plaza]

It’s called weapon ballistics system pro, it should work with a turret. You would just call the line traces single node from its component on a looped timer

Then stop the timer whenever the turret should disable

You would need to check if the narrative pro template allows you to use third party components though

[oblique copper]

Yea , i'm not sure , let me check it out you are Komodobit Games?

[drowsy plaza]

Yeah

[oblique copper]

I will look it over and see how it might work with Narrative , unfortunately the Narrative creator been rather busy lately and has not been there to help , this might be a solution.

Is this the same as Ultimate Shooting System?

I believe the Narrative guns are using raycasting

[drowsy plaza]

Yeah I renamed it a few hours ago to get more views in search

[drowsy plaza]

They might be but they probably are not as feature rich as mine, mine is similar to what COD or Apex uses

So it’s a lot more polished than most the stuff on the marketplace

[oblique copper]

Cool , let me look it over , thanks

[vestal sluice]

I'm at least optimistic about fab, it's at least getting better even if slowly. Sales for my asset is now more or less consistent and similar to how it was before Fab, with large spikes during discount periods. I think the store revamp definitely helped.

I still prefer the old UEM though. The one thing that's hard to overlook is the humongous clutter that came from sketchfab which makes searching for good quality 3d assets a real pain.

[desert panther]

Fab is clearly part of their whole "metaverse" plans so it's bound to improve

[opal sphinx]

has anybody noticed asset packs behind hidden on fab from search?

this quantum assets dude has this human corpse model i bought last year before fab
https://www.fab.com/listings/7d476c37-ac9e-49cc-8801-e5e8cc48b4ba

however when searching on his page i cant find it
https://www.fab.com/sellers/Quantum Assets?listing_types=smart-asset&q=+Human+Corpse

why is this 'hidden' from searches? there are other assets i was looking to buy but because they are probably hidden and i dont have a direct link to them i cant find them

[untold bay]

you might need to be signed in with mature content enabled

[opal sphinx]

i looked in account settings but cant find that setting

i kinda figured because of the mature disclaimer before, but wasnt sure

[untold bay]

it's at search time

[opal sphinx]

got it

[opal sphinx]

yea i cant find that, im blind lmao

is that from fab plugin or website?

ok found out lmao thanks

[drowsy plaza]

He shows up when I search “human corpse”

They may have added that feature that owned stuff gets hidden

[opal sphinx]

i still see stuff ive purchased when searching, was mature filter option being on by default

[drowsy plaza]

I do have that set to show I believe

Oh yep it’s set to mature age rating, he may have it where they auto hide those assets

[tiny palm]

Thanks for the insight! I didn’t realize the EU was messing it up for people. Hopefully sales can be regional based in the future that would be fantastic. And I’m super glad to hear that personal sales are coming soon.

As for purchases tanking during non-sale periods, I’m just a buyer and the only time I even look sideways at buying anything on Fab is when it’s on sale. So from my end, more sales would just increase my purchases. Beyond that I largely don’t care what goes on outside of those periods. I just show up twice a month for the free stuff, and check to see if there’s a sale. If there isn't, I'll see Fab again in two weeks.

[warm knot]

That's why Udemy courses are always 90% off.

[drowsy plaza]

I’m really hoping personal sales come back this month or next month

We are halfway through the roadmap and they said they expect it to be complete by June

[tiny palm]

It would definitely be nice. At least bringing back the wishlists encouraged me to fill it back up again. It was waaaaaaaaaaay too tedious having to keep a whole extra doc, so I rarely added to it. 😅 But now with a much fuller wishlist, I need some sales to make me buy it.

[drowsy plaza]

Yeah wishlists were a big request, it’s good they did that sooner rather than later. I think they were wanting to wait until may to do it but the forum posters put a fire under their seat

There is a big sale in April so even if they release personal discounts next month most people won’t be able to do it for at least 30 days anyways

[tiny palm]

Oh, see now that's interesting news indeed. Looks like I should set aside some cash for April. 🤓 And kudos to the forum posters for forcing Fab to do something meaningful instead of whatever it is they were planning. It was probably more confusing half working search stuff or something.

Speaking of which, whoever picked all the weird categories for the launcher so that you can't find anything... Hopefully they step barefoot on a Lego. Seriously, the categories are worthless now.

[drowsy plaza]

yeah they did not do any user testing on the categories in the launcher, I think they just copied the categories from the website which didnt work out well. I remember seeing a forum post from epic staff saying they are looking into changing how categories work to be more intuitive

[upbeat wedge]

Can some1 explain this behaviour? I "own" this cardboard in megascans, but can only access it from fab. When I do, it says that I have it it my library. I click it, but it is not showing when I search for it.... wtf

[drowsy plaza]

try the download button, I think their view in library button doesnt direct towards the asset but just the library page in general, same issue with view in launcher button all that does is open the launcher

[upbeat wedge]

Yeah dowload works, but then I have to manually put in my project, which is very annoying

[drowsy plaza]

does drag and drop in the fab plugin work?

[upbeat wedge]

Oh shit, didn't know you can do that. Yes it works.

The cardboard material is broken when I manually import it, great

[cursive chasm]

I heard rumors of a april sale. Any truth to it? Any exact dates?

I have a bakery asset pack im looking to buy.

[warm knot]

I was invited to an April sale, but I don't want to participate in it.

[drowsy plaza]

Yeah there is one, it’s gonna be around Easter. I can’t give specific dates

[drowsy plaza]

Why not? Are you waiting for personal sales?

[cursive chasm]

HYPE 🙂 Tyvm

I'm liking the slow direction fab is going.

[drowsy plaza]

I’m happy to see user sentiment changing on fab, for a while it was hated with a passion and that made me nervous as a seller

[warm knot]

I just want to add a few more asset packs first.

Would like my store to be more 'presentable' for the sales.

[fathom ferry]

do i need to aply anywhere to get the message about the sales being a seller?

[hollow basin]

You should get them automatically but sometimes their systems are slow to send out emails. They can also exclude sellers if the seller isn't selling anything in theme with the sale event

[drowsy plaza]

Fair enough

[fathom ferry]

okay thanks

i'm a pretty new seller and i don't know if you have to be arround more time to get into the sales

[drowsy plaza]

I’m not entirely sure if fab does this but in the marketplace I didn’t get invited to any sales until I passed 1000 dollars in revenue I think

Once you get there though it’s account wide so new products don’t need to make 1000 to participate

[fathom ferry]

hmmm

okay

pretty far away

hahahah

[lucid plover]

How do I download my Fab assets to use in 4.27?

The bloody vault is empty

[split iron]

It isn't tho, you're seeing an overly small sample size
People are not happy with Fab
No one asked for it / no one wanted it
We wanted marketplace but better

[lucid plover]

I want my assets available on UE4

[undone valve]

Hey so I never get emails and just use the link of someone else. You can participate. If you don’t get an email that doesn’t mean you are t invited

[green seal]

Did you sign up for the fab newsletter emails? Thats how you get them now.

[maiden carbon]

When is pay day I wonder? Epic games sent me dosh on the 18th Feb last month. Usually it's on the 1st of each month.

[undone valve]

Yeah I did but I also don’t receive the 2FA emails anymore. It’s buggy. And nope it’s not blocked or in the spam folder. I had this problem in the past and it was epics problem. The only fix was to change the email

[green seal]

Business as usual, last day or first day of the month depending on your location. Last month was just because epic decided to pay everyone early as an apology for a mistake they made in regards to payments from December.

[green seal]

That's.... really weird.

[maiden carbon]

Ah yes I forgot about that. thanks

[echo egret]

Hello Sourcers!
I dunno where else I can ask this... it's actually about the launcher. I'm having an annoying issue lately when the application gets launched. It freezes for about 5 minutes, making impossible to interact with it or even iconize using the Win+M keys command.
I thought was some Windows Security thing, because at some points there's a message highligthed in lilac about the launcher trying to reconnect to internet again, so added it to the exceptions but still happens the same.
Is it just me or is that something you did experience too? Any possible fix like clearing its cache or similar but without the risk of having to reinstall the entire engine and plugins!???
Thanks in advance! Cheers...

One note... the big button to launch the engine says it's not installed {until the launcher finally works} but I can actually run it anytime if launching a project from the folder so it's just a launcher's thing not the engine itself.

[echo egret]

The launcher got the 3rd, maybe 4th update in a matter of few days time, the last one right now and the same scenario happened again.

[drowsy plaza]

Make sure y’all optimize your titles for fab search, I retitled most my products and now they are selling more often especially the ones that barely sold before

Use keyword titles for example one of mine that sold poorly was “ultimate damage system” but after titling it “health and damage framework” it sells better. Fab seems to be catering their search algorithm away from branded titles and more for a Amazon style search where it prioritizes keywords

[silver remnant]

Does anyone have Dungeon Architect Discord link? I bought the package, but it doesn't install. The Launcher says "Found 0 DLC to INSTALL". Unfortunately they say they only share the Discord link AFTER installing the plugin, so I'm unable to get there to ask for help. My issue is with trying to install Dungeon Architect for Unreal 5.4 on Mac.

[desert panther]

I don't know the link, but have you tried contacting the seller? Go to the product's page on Fab, and click on the seller name. Their email should be listed somewhere in there

That would probably be your best bet in getting this solved

[silver remnant]

Thanks! I found their email and contacted them.

[proven charm]

Is anyone else experiencing your quixel megascans not appearing as redeemed on FAB?

[final zinc]

It's utterly absurd that FAB has neither reviews nor comments. "I wonder why this asset only has a 3.3 star rating..." well, guess you'll never know.

[drowsy plaza]

Comments are coming this month via forum pages for each product, they will be linked to each store page

Hopefully it comes this month

[warm knot]

That's so weird. Why not just put comments on the store page?

[drowsy plaza]

More people use the forums and that tech is already built out I guess

Forums are also indexed by Google so maybe they wanted it to help with search

[tepid niche]

I think thats nice, the forums have so much nice things and better than the comments in the old store, want there an issue, when you asked a question, the seller answered, you where not able, to reply to his answer anymore? 😅

[short tree]

How do we get last asset updates with FAB? Most of my asset are UE 5.4 and 5.5 compatible ( from FAB asset descriptions) but it seems I can only add them to 5.3 projects in the UE launcher. Do I have to manually download them from FAB? Thanks for your precious help! For example if I try to download Brushify from the FAB store I get this message "Unreal Engine files are available in the Epic Games Launcher, or the Fab UE5 Plugin." but still can use it above 5.3 in the UE launcher.

[untold bay]

epic games launcher is the main way to update and import assets

[short tree]

Thanks for the quick reply and info. ! This is what I am using at the moment but Most of my assets can't be install on project above UE5.3 Even if FAB description is showing 5.4 and 5.5 compatibility. Any ideas?

[vale prawn]

Delete whatever cache version you have in your vault, and then it may work (it does for me)

[split iron]

So I replied to the email Epic sent saying my address verification document failed with this reason:

Fraudulent - The document is fraudulent with mismatched fonts, text, color, or is cropped to hide the name

I responded saying its not fraudulent etc. Several days later they send the same email again in response. GG

And just to reiterate -- its not fraudulent. In case that isn't clear. Its a document provided by my bank lol

[short tree]

Thanks for the tip. Would you mind sharing where is the cache for the launcher?

[vale prawn]

It's wherever you configured it in the launcher settings. But you can clear the cache from the UI, see attached

[drowsy plaza]

It sounds like you should ask for clarification and specifics so you can talk to your bank about getting it fixed. Trader verification is done through a third party service, maybe they don’t accept whatever document your bank is providing. I think I used my LLC formation documents

[untold bay]

i got trader verification with just personal documentation

[split iron]

You misunderstand
I already replied and they chose to re-send their auto-generated email, which already has specifics, which are incorrect
There is nothing for my bank to fix, the document is legitimate

I have already pulled my product off Fab, I'm not putting up with this 😄

[drowsy plaza]

It’s your right to do that but that is a very big over reaction to having a business document rejected.

[split iron]

Again... you misunderstand
Fab is a steaming pile of shit that no one asked for
It was just the final straw

[drowsy plaza]

Okay, well best of luck wherever you end up going. Maybe you will have more success on gumroad

[split iron]

I'm not particularly fussed about it selling, I only put it on gumroad so that its still available

[short tree]

Thank you for the quick reply and infos brifsttar!

[drowsy plaza]

Fab really needs rating solicitation, the only products of mine that have reviews are the ones that people need support from because I can solicit a rating after they get their issue solved, this creates a problem where the most complex products are the only ones with ratings because they are the ones that need the most support and the easy to use products barely get any ratings since they are designed to be simple

So things like material effects almost never get rated

[hollow basin]

Especially with the fab plugin being built into the engine, I feel it would be easy for the fab plugin to start a timer and then countdown and then create a small pop-up that says "You've used (insert asset name here) for 30 minutes, how do you like it?" *insert star rating graphic after with an option for a detailed text review box

[cursive chasm]

Awh hell no, no. Send me an email. I don't want a stupid mobile-esk popup while I'm trying to focus/work on a project.

[hollow basin]

Fine, we add a "aw hell no, never show me one of these pop-ups again" button

[drowsy plaza]

True, though even just a email a week or two after purchase on a randomized weight so it doesn’t happen every time could work, maybe if their upcoming analytics check installs they could go with a system using that. I don’t use the fab plugin so if they did it that way users like me wouldn’t be reminded

I’m guessing setting up a way to email people about events and triggers isn’t exactly easy since they delayed that feature for wishlists but released every other part

[split iron]

I still can't sort my library by the order of purchase (on marketplace...)

Got stuff I purchased/claimed in 2014 showing up alongside stuff in 2024

[agile kayak]

Is it okay to put a link to something I've made to get feedback on the page/pricing etc?

[untold bay]

if your heart is true people will generally pick up on the vibes

[agile kayak]

Alrighty, I released this as one of my first plugins https://www.fab.com/listings/30cdd458-0947-402b-a665-52a866b808e9 but after so long its got zero sales. What is the issue? do people just not want this or is it way overpriced idk or is my post all wrong?

[untold bay]

congrats on the launch. i'd say it's an example of selling a vitamin vs a painkiller

[hollow basin]

Yeah the price is $50 for a notes app built into ue5. You are marketing convenience more than functionality. Anybody could use a separate notes app for free, but it is less convenient. The thumbnail is kind of hard to look at, a lot of conflicting colors. Also you only support 5.5 so it only appeals to the most recent ue5 users

[untold bay]

nobody needs this to make their game. it might help some. but they probably wouldn't think to go looking for it

if i wanted to try to make this sell i would skip the splash screen and start with just a clear image of it in use

pictures >>> words

the sceond of your images is kind of good at this, but 2/3 of it by area is a noisy background. better to make that screenshot as big as possible

and i'd make the first couple of the description shorter. they're too wordy right now. people will not read wordy sentences unless invested.

"ATTACH NOTES TO ANY ASSET" is the big selling point and probably should come first, written that plainly

[agile kayak]

Ah interesting

[agile kayak]

idk how to reasonably price things tbh, I just kind of went off assuming 2 sell and operating at 25 dollars an hour

[untold bay]

if it doesn't move, bring it down. fortunately you can experiment here

[jovial rune]

any reason why fab refuses to open in unreal? on newest 5.54

nvm just started working

[agile kayak]

But yeh you've given me alot to think about , and it totally makes sense tbh

[vale prawn]

I agree with everything that's been said, but I'll add two things:

• I'm not sure how this plugin would integrate in a workflow. Most people use version control (Perforce) + outside ticketing or project management tool (e.g., Jira). Maybe an actual example of this used in a collaborative workflow would help.
• Plugins are seat-based (in theory), so no studio is going to spend $50/user for that

[agile kayak]

So it would be better to integrate it with current project management tools and just target the main ones?

[tawny hinge]

which already exists

[agile kayak]

welp

[drowsy plaza]

These are the reasons I would not buy/click on it if I saw it.

1. The title is way to long and and confusing, just name it “Asset Notes System”, no one is using search for what it’s currently titled so views are probably 0.

2. Thumbnail could be better, it looks like something an open source product would use. Like I can’t tell what I’m looking at in the screenshot attached.

3. Price is way too high for essentially Google docs in editor when Google docs/sheets is free and cloud synced with collaboration. I’d pay at most 20 bucks for a note taking plugin when I could very easily just make a component with a text variable and let my designers add to the variable as notes.

4. Further going off point 3, it doesn’t really solve a problem people have with unreal. The assets that sell best solve a problem that plagues a lot of people like good lighting and weather effects with ultra dynamic sky or a framework for combat that’s hard to make.

5. I would not support you since you are punishing success by charging double for people who had a successful game or asset without giving anything extra for the double price. Pricing should be fair to all not discriminatory

[hollow basin]

I agree with the $20 proce maximum and I would assume this is a premium tool.

I disagree with point 5. The majority of money made from my sales are from professional sales. Assuming the point of making products is to make money, it would be counter intuitive to not do professional sales

[drowsy plaza]

It’s unfair and discriminatory/predatory by nature to price differently based on income. You would be arrested if you priced differently based on stuff like race or gender, so wealth status is logically no different. You can try to justify it all day long but discrimination is discrimination, it doesn’t mater what trait you pick to discriminate from

[agile kayak]

Yeh I agree your right, if the base price was dirt cheap but the “pro” price was theee price then yeh

[drowsy plaza]

If you make no money from personal then increase the cost to a middle ground where it’s fair for everyone

[drowsy plaza]

Just make lite and pro versions of your product if you want to offer different pricing to different groups of people

[drowsy plaza]

You shouldn’t be selling at a loss with either tier, fab isn’t a charity. Price your product equally on both tiers if nothing extra is offered for the professional and just make it something you and your customers are happy with. No need for discrimination and favoritism

If in your description you offer extra features or support for a professional tier, then I think that’s fine, but pricing more just because you have a grudge against a group of people or want to extort them isn’t fair.

With how much Tim Sweeney talks about fair marketplaces, I am surprised he is letting sellers do this

[agile kayak]

Tbh I barely understood what’s the diff between the two tiers

I’m pretty sure the old marketplace never had that ?

But then obviously the only real issue I have is how do price their assets in terms of time invested ?

[quasi stone]

In my opinion, the personal license should be used to offer a reduced rate to assist individuals who are new to the industry. That's what I do

[vale prawn]

I mean Epic is doing this exact thing with Unreal, it's fairly common in the industry, and it was asked a lot during the MP days, so it's not surprising at all.

[desert panther]

Frankly, I think the pro license should be treated as "the actual value of this product"

and the indie license or whatever the cheaper tier was called should be treated as a discounted tier

[drowsy plaza]

Epic offers special perks to people who pay more for enterprise and film licenses like access to their Fortnite perforce version of unreal, special support channels from epic programmers, and some other stuff. The engine license someone like CDPR has is not the same you and I have

[desert panther]

You're not discriminating against people by using the pricing tiers, you are giving a discount to those who might not be able to afford the full price

Obviously if you are over-pricing it on the pro tier, then people will not buy it at that tier

[drowsy plaza]

Use the same logic but with race or gender, “you are not discriminating against blacks by giving them their own bathroom, you are making the whites more convenient”. Same logic here just with income instead of skin color.

[desert panther]

No it doesn't :P

[vale prawn]

Not on the standard license they don't. Just because you make >$1M a year or pay a seat doesn't give you access to all of that. You get the exact same product, except you get to pay Epic for it.

[desert panther]

By this logic offering a discounted price for indies or for students on any product is some kind of trick

There are many, many products which offer the same standard base product cheaper if you are a student for example

nobody is saying they are trying to gouge anyone else

[drowsy plaza]

Every software that has indie pricing I know of has a special license and a special version.

We go through this argument once every 2-3 months, discrimination is bad. People have been justifying discrimination for thousands of years across hundreds of societies. I stand against it

[desert panther]

I kinda agree but I don't think it's quite as simple as that

I could somewhat objectively state that the value of my plugin is 9.99 as people have purchased it at that price point. If I was to lower the indie tier to 4.99, I don't think anyone would argue I'm discriminating against professionals

But if I was to raise the professional tier to 199, then yeah, it would be pretty obvious what I was doing there

[drowsy plaza]

At 9.99 people don’t complain because it’s 5 bucks but it is still discriminatory pricing even if they don’t care. They care in the example of it being 200 because it’s so blatantly obvious the seller is extorting them.

The same psychology happens with taxes, when someone is taxed 8% they usually don’t mind, but when they are taxed 50% they throw a fit and sometimes overthrow the government because of the absurdity

[agile kayak]

It’s like let’s say jet brains products … it’s free for non commercial use but you have to pay for commercial use

Issue is with plug-ins it’s just not the same

[drowsy plaza]

Exactly and that’s a good way to go about it, paying customers also get privacy features that free users don’t

[desert panther]

Right, so really it's a question of margins. If it was a 199 product with a 149 tier, this would probably be seen as acceptable.

[agile kayak]

Like realistically 95% of your user base are indie/hobbyist

Or even 100%

[quasi stone]

Just wanted to say that this comparison is ridiculous because race and gender are inherent traits, whereas income is not fixed from birth. People can move between income levels throughout their lives based on circumstances, effort, and opportunity. A pricing model based on income isn’t the same as segregation based on race or gender.

[desert panther]

Race/gender is not a great point of comparison, but it does illustrate the "core" of his argument

[drowsy plaza]

More people would be accepting of that margin but they might still see it as wrong. An example is Apple, when they charge 200 dollars for 8gb of ram people get upset but they may still buy it

[desert panther]

Yeah

[drowsy plaza]

Race, gender, income, political spectrum, disabilities, etc. all of these things historically have been used to favor or unfavor people for a very long time.

[untold bay]

i see the personal/professional price tier as a simplified model for charging for assets on a royalty basis

you're making money with my assets, so i get a tiny cut

actual royalty basis would have a mountain of issues so this is a feasible proxy

[warm knot]

This is how I've always seen it.

But can you believe that some people actually believe that tiered pricing is a road block to their success. I don't understand the mentality. If I price an environment pack at $75, but the discounted personal tier is $50 then I'm somehow getting in this guy's way of creating his first game. Real weird! I'm not getting in this guy's way anymore than Ferrari is getting in his way of owning a car. He could just buy the cheaper Nissan instead. 🤷

And for some people it doesn't matter if I later out the dang thing on sale at %50 off. They still won't buy it because they've taken my price as a personal attack. Whatever! I don't want them buying it anyway.

And then there are those who NEVER buy anything that isn't at least 90% off. They were never going to be your customer in the first place, so who cares what they think. 😆

[desert panther]

Pretty much

There's some theory that suggests discounting your products teaches people to expect discounts and means they're less likely to buy unless there is a discount

[drowsy plaza]

I feel like that usually only happens when stores use discounts as a gimmick, when I was younger there was a clothes store called kohls and every product had a sign that said “90% off”, “60% off” and they did this in pretty much every product every time I went there. Amazon sorta does this too sometimes

If you have a product in discount once every 60-90 days I don’t think people will really recognize the frequency

[desert panther]

Yeah it seems kinda logical but I'm not sure if there's any real statistics to back up that claim

Where I live furniture stores are particularly notorious for running discounts near constantly, to the point that many of them have been warned and fined for fake discounts

[agile kayak]

If you live in the uk , there’s Tesco that has clubcard prices randomly for stuff

I don’t really buy anything that ain’t essentials unless it’s got that

(You have to scan your loyalty card “clubcard” to get the discount)

But yeh I don’t touch anything unless it has that discount

[spark laurel]

Hello, does anyone know when the fab April sales will be?

[hollow basin]

We know of future sales, but we are not supposed to say

[spark laurel]

Do you know the day? Asset publishers said they didn't know the day

[hollow basin]

I know the date of the next sale, but again we're not supposed to say

[spark laurel]

I don't understand why these sale dates are kept secret. You can find out the sale dates on Steam even 1 year in advance. It's just a sale, what's there to hide?

[hollow basin]

I don' t have a grudge against larger companies. I think in an ideal world you would pay a fair percentage of game sales to assets used even if it is 0.0001% of a game's sales. Obviously this is not done because no one can fairly determine what the actual contribution of assets would be so flat rates are more predictable. But 0.0001% of a large studio game may be 5x the price of what an indie makes. So percentage wise, it is a fair rate. Flat out fee is not a fair rate. But why charge companies more? In my experience they need a lot more support and I am not answering one person's questions, I am answering 10 people in one company. It's not a grudge, I am charging based on my contribution to the project and the different tiers are approximated for that difference. They are not forced to buy my projects, but they choose to buy it because they determine it is worth it. You also say that very few companies buy professional tier so it shouldn't matter anyway

[drowsy plaza]

The word fair means equally applied without favor or discrimination. Flat pricing is the fairest pricing option

[hollow basin]

It's something we're told to agree to as sellers. If people know of a sale, you affect all creators sales since people will wait for the sale. It's something the Fab people ask of us in the invites

[hollow basin]

Therefore everyone should pay the same flat rate in taxes too? In order to apply "fairness" charge everyone the same in taxes, we will see how well that goes. Who cares if people have different income amounts

[drowsy plaza]

I agree, I wish fab didn’t make us keep it a secret especially when it’s only a few days in advance and in a non searchable forum like discord

[drowsy plaza]

Yes that would be the most fair in regards to taxes, humans are usually emotional creatures and care about me me me and since the third estate controls democracy poor people decide the tax rate and they make it heavily benefit them and harm those they dislike(rich people)

[spark laurel]

Those who are already planning to wait for a discount will still wait. I know there will be discounts in April, and my budget is limited. I've added items to my cart and am waiting. Those who can afford it won’t wait anyway, so no one’s sales will be affected.

[drowsy plaza]

Fair does not mean you benefit from it, it means it’s equal without favoritism or discrimination. A lot of people associate fair with benefits, but being benefited isn’t in the definition of the word

[spark laurel]

This is the biggest nonsense I've ever heard, and Fab's mysterious policies seem ridiculous to me. I've never seen a company other than Fab hide its discount dates

[hollow basin]

So people that earn under the flat rate for taxes would just owe the government their entire paycheck and more?! You would be telling people that they need to pay to just exist (not including shelter, food, and water which they would need to pay for in addition to that)

[drowsy plaza]

The poverty rate in the us is around 30k dollars a year or 2500 a month, if the government needs 2500 a month from every person then they have a serious spending problem that needs reform, in America the government tax rate would be a flat 15-20% for everyone and likely applied on sales if done.

I’m just telling you what fair means, I’m not advocating for any specific political policy to be implemented

The government could also just operate like a business and earn its income, taxes are not necessary. The gold card is an example of this working, we made 5 billion in revenue from it this month

[cursive chasm]

I’ve got two asset packs in mind for this sale. Whenever it happens. I do agree it’s aggravating not knowing the dates. I’m assuming around easter but thats a long ways off.

[rose lagoon]

some companies receive billions in government subsidies, fairness by your definition would mean mine should too

[hollow basin]

I think we are agreeing that there could be fair rates for products. Just like how everyone could pay 15 to 20% for taxes. An asset maker could earn 0.00015 to 0.0002% of a game's revenue. It's the same rate but indies on average don't make as much as AAA studios. Therefore 3x price difference for assets could reflect the correct amount from the flat rate. Making it a fair rate

[hollow basin]

I am not actually trying to make any points about taxes since it's a bit of a political discussion outside of the scope of my comparison. As an American I respect your freedom in beliefs

I re-read my previous messages and I now see it may not have been clear that when I meant flat rate their first time I meant everyone pays 20k for example, but you may have read it as everyone pays 20%. The word "rate" can imply percentages so sorry for the confusion, but I think my point above still stands

[rose lagoon]

I too respect your right to your own political beliefs, I just wish I didn't have to read about them here

[quasi stone]

This is just not true, we see drops before black friday for example. If people are expecting a sale, they wait a bit. Just because you yourself dont buy anything if it isnt on sale, it doesnt mean other people do that.

[warm knot]

If it's Free but isn't at least 90% off then I ain't buying it.

[pliant forum]

I kinda miss the elevator pitch tooltip when you hover a product, small detail but one I used a lot with the old marketplace

[green seal]

Respectfully, no company or store announces it's sale dates any more than a couple days ahead of time, maybe a week at most. Unless it's something obvious like black friday, and even then, specific dates are not announced that far ahead. Fab isn't any different.

[digital agate]

Has everyone received their sale invite or are they still sending them out?

[spark laurel]

No, they announce it. Wherever I look for a discount calendar, I can find it. The biggest example of this is steam. Take a look, they even set the dates 1 year later. I already found out the date of the Fab sale with a little research. April 22nd, in case anyone asks. With all due respect, but it is a nonsense to keep the discounts a secret

[rose lagoon]

when is the next sale on cgtrader? or Unity Marketplace?

[green seal]

Steam is an exception, not the norm. Sure you if you dig you might find some info somewhere but it is exceedingly rare for a store/company to publicly announce sales ahead of time.
As for the actual discounts, they are seller dependent, and not even fab knows what pricepoint each seller has decided to sell their products for yet.

[cursive chasm]

I/We don’t mind not knowing individual seller price points. Stop changing the goalpost.

We’re upset on being given a halfbaked platform for buying assets from and these sales not being advertised is just another annoying little thing on top of everything else.

[green seal]

I'm not changing the goalpost, I assumed that was what he meant by "Keeping the discounts secret". Discounts are not the same as a sale.
I'm not really sure why you're upset about sales not being advertised? They never were advertised ahead of time on the original marketplace, nothing new here? They get publicly announced/advertised the moment the sale goes live. Same goes for most stores.

I absolutely understand that it is annoying to buy something only to have it be on sale a few weeks or maybe even days later, especially when money is tight. But that happens all over; Retail, online, whatever. If you’re on a limited budget, then you have to hang in there and be patient. This isn’t a fab issue

[untold bay]

#1054845218723209226

[lime plaza]

Crap didn’t see that thanks

[drowsy plaza]

In one of their responses they brought up how steam shows everything a year ahead, so I think steam might be their standard for how a company should operate sales

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong though, just bringing that point they made up for context

As you pointed out, epic games probably just doesn’t want people always waiting for the next sale since they are usually only 30-45 days apart and that’s a small wait most users would be willing to do if they knew ahead of time

[dark gorge]

Does anyone know what kind of license do the UE5 mannequins (Manny and Quinn) have?

I mean, can you change their Unreal logo with your own, and use them in your own films?

[untold bay]

https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/branding

[dark gorge]

Well I'm not really modifying the logo, I'm looking to completely replace it on the mannequins but the question was whether or not I can use the mannequins themselves for some films/documentaries.

[green seal]

Steam is in a hell of a good position. Valve is absurdly wealthy, its a private company but its estimated evaluation is bananas, and almost a monopoly in its field.

But hey even as a seller I would love to know ahead of time when official sales are so I can plan marketing ahead of time. I dont see it happening though, nor am I even sure it would be a good thing

[drowsy plaza]

You can retextures the mannequins if you want, I’ve done it with fab assets and epic didn’t care. I’ve seen people on YouTube modify them to fit themes of their projects too

[marsh salmon]

as long as you are still using unreal engine for your project, you can do whatever you want, that's why it's included as part of 'starter content'. You will find it in the eula/etc (it's referred to as "epic content" or something like that). Similar for game samples etc. However you generally /cannot/ export and use in external DCCs or other game engines.

[drowsy plaza]

Epic is really lenient on the exporting clause with some stuff, I exported the manny textures to substance designers and made them look like human skin instead of metal and baked it then reimported to unreal and epic said nothing when I submitted it to fab

Has anyone ever released an asset or plugin that uses third party monetization in the form of a subscription or credit hosted by you instead of fab? I’m wanting to make a generative AI plugin but I want to use my own credit system for payments

[sturdy prairie]

so, new to all this, and i have an etiquet question here... so when we use things from Fab in our projects, are we allowed to edit them? like if i found a character model i liked but i just wanted to use it as kind of a base point and tweak it from there, is that ok to do? and do we need to keep track of all the assets from fab we use and include them in the games credits or something?

[drowsy plaza]

Yep, only thing you can’t do is redistribute the asset

[sturdy prairie]

makes sense

[drowsy plaza]

You can even use assets from unreal in other engines which is cool, epic is very open with their licensing

[sturdy prairie]

thats really cool

[marsh salmon]

sorry but a blanket statement like that is misinformation. You can import into other engines if the asset comes with source files (fbx, png, etc). The content license is clear that you can’t convert a uasset to a source format and redistribute it (https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/eula/content), that is copyright infringement. There is also a category of epic-provided content called “UE-only content” that you aren’t allowed to use with other engines. There are carve-outs for linear media and other special cases. It is complicated, and has been evolving over the past few years, and definitely is trending towards more openness, but you should not assume that if you only have a uasset you inherently have a license to all the source art.

[sturdy prairie]

gotcha. as long as my games used in unreal i shouldnt have any issues, right? and i can still edit in things like blender etc? sorry im like the greenest of greenhorns

[marsh salmon]

as long as you understand that it’s still not “yours” after you edit it and you’ll still have to follow the epic content license for that edited asset (although at some point if you completely change it nobody will ever know). TBH even that is a bit murky although only bigcorp lawyers would say you can’t do it. It actually depends on the jurisdiction as copyright laws are different globally. Realistically for anything smaller than an AA/AAA game that isn’t making megabucks you probably don’t have to worry about this stuff, just give credit where it’s due and most people will be fine with bending the rules

[spark laurel]

I don’t have time to research every platform’s discount dates. But I’m sure that even if they don’t explicitly share the dates, they’re not exactly hiding them like some big secret. The warning about not spreading the dates to those who know them—how ridiculous is that?

[spark laurel]

Well, let’s just say we have different perspectives. I know your name, which means I also recognize that you’re more experienced than I am in these matters. While I don’t entirely agree with your view, I respect it—you might be right.

[rose lagoon]

dude, you are completely free to not use the platform if it bothers you that much

[spark laurel]

I’m not exactly that free, to be honest. Right now, “Fab” is the only way to access Unreal Engine assets. But as a user, I’m still free to voice the things that bother me. Just because something frustrates me doesn’t mean I’ll stop using it.

[rose lagoon]

it's true, you have the right to voice your frustrations, but it will likely be as effective as just screaming them into the abyss. it's their platform, they make the rules. the rules pretty much align with what other companies are doing. CGTrader just announced a sale today, without prior notice. I'm certain the sellers were aware, but probably discouraged from sharing that info

[spark laurel]

As I said, I don’t expect Fab to provide a calendar. However, I strongly disagree with treating discount dates like a state secret. If someone is asking for the date, they might genuinely need the discount—just give it to them. Selling an asset for $10 less isn’t going to ruin your business.

Beyond this, Fab doesn’t just have odd policies regarding discounts; it behaves strangely in many areas compared to a typical asset store. Overall, my experience with Fab has been disappointing. Even if it feels like shouting into an empty cave, I’ll still voice my concerns. The rest is up to Fab 🤷‍♂️

[rose lagoon]

have fun

[spark laurel]

you too mate

[green seal]

Companies asking sellers to not share dates of sales is pretty standard, it’s not some deep secret like you say, because you’ve been able to figure it out on your own. Epic knows they can’t police it, but there’s nothing wrong with asking sellers to keep the info to themselves.

Some companies go so far as to have NDAs signed by sellers/retailers. This is not some big conspiracy or even anything out of the norm. There’s a reason why sites like «Photo Rumors» and «Mac Rumors» exist, because a lot of these things are super tight-lipped.

I completely feel for you when things are tight, it is nice to know when you might be able to save your hard-earned money. If I have some powertools I need to buy for a home renovation project, Home Depot sure isn’t going to give me a roadmap of when their sales are going to be unfortunately. A company doesn’t owe me anything, I am not entitled to getting things cheaper, it is entirely at their discretion.

[warm knot]

This is true and it's stated clearly in the agreement. Buyers do NOT own the asset they buy; they're merely purchasing a license to use the asset.

[hasty kraken]

springs sales date?

[warm knot]

The spring sales date is during spring.

[drowsy plaza]

It’s near the most influential event date in human history, that’s the only hint I am allowed to give

[untold bay]

Just saw an asset creator with 28 nearly-identical assets upload a 29th.
There should be a deposit per listing.

This stuff clogs up search results and is a cheap way to expand your storefront real estate. There is a real cost to users for each listing, and it should be paid by the asset creators who choose to incur that cost.

Even $50 would be enough to discourage this, I think

[drowsy plaza]

I don’t think listings need to cost money, fab just needs to overhaul their publishing policy so scammers can’t abuse it

And they need to enforce it

[untold bay]

What policy would prevent this?
The listings don't appear to be scams. Just excessively granular.

[hasty kraken]

my birthday? 😄

[drowsy plaza]

A one listing per day or week and each product needs to be unique from your other products is enough

Most these people work jobs, they don’t care about 20 or 50 dollars because they think they will be millionaires. Steam and epic games store has the same problem and they charge 100 dollars

I know a guy who makes crappy asset flip games, he genuinely believes that at some point streamers will pick his crappy games up and he will be rich so he keeps paying 100 dollars each time and buying thousands of dollars worth of assets from his outside job income

[untold bay]

Probably better for everyone that it not require too much discretion on Epic's part

[drowsy plaza]

It’s epics platform, it shouldn’t be up to sellers to moderate a platform they don’t own.

[untold bay]

some cost or deposit per listing aligns everyone's incentives

[drowsy plaza]

Just enforcing a rule set is the simplest way to do this

[drowsy plaza]

Not mine

If you wanna give epic a check per listing then mail it to them, everyone else should just expect the platform to have rules that need following

Epic makes money per sale so there is no revenue reason for them to do this

Social media websites have rules, if you post something that goes against the rules it gets taken down and if you do it repeatedly your account gets banned. Same concept applies to stores

[untold bay]

it can be structured as cost-neutral for anyone who sells more than $X of their asset where X doesn't need to be very high

[drowsy plaza]

Or they can just have a rule book

[untold bay]

active moderation causes problems. unfair takedowns, missed takedowns, cost of moderation

it's like the last resort solution

[drowsy plaza]

That’s what appeals are for, they have a system in place for appeals

Also cost of moderation isn’t a problem, Tim said it costs 5% to operate the store, add 1% extra for a small mod staff

They take 12% so that’s still 6% profit per sale

[untold bay]

first $100 revenue per listing goes directly to epic, then next $100 of their 12% cut goes directly to you

wham, cost-neutral disincentivizing of listing spam

as long as you make $833 over the lifetime, and if you're not, is it really worth surfacing it

[quasi blade]

whats the deal with fab downloading plugins with names like GenericPl4322343jfdsbjkfd4354309335

constantly have to go in and fix the plugin folder names every time

[torpid tartan]

Did the current Epic Launcher break FAB plugin functionality? This is already installed to my UE5 installs and I'm missing both "add to project" and "start new project from plugin" options?

[boreal wraith]

Is Fab broken? I can't add to project either

[drowsy plaza]

My guess is in their database they assign a hex ID to assets and they embed in the folder name. It is annoying

[vast owl]

anyone know how to remove read only on a mesh i have bought from fab ?

[drowsy plaza]

What do you mean? Is this for UEFN reference license?

[vast owl]

i bought props but i want to change the collision on them but i cant cause of read only

[drowsy plaza]

In UEFN?

Unreal doesn’t have read only assets AFAIK

[vast owl]

ye

[drowsy plaza]

Oh UEFN doesn’t support asset modification I believe

[spiral jacinth]

You can use Asset Manager Studio to install plugins into projects..

[vast owl]

its cause i bought the top one right ?

[drowsy plaza]

Yeah reference only means it’s read only, this is something that’s different from standard unreal. I don’t know if buying personal gives you write access since that’s all unreal users have access to

[vast owl]

ok thanks

[torpid tartan]

Any solutions that dont involve a 3rd party app?

[spiral jacinth]

Sorry, don't know of any...

[drowsy plaza]

Send in a support ticket so they know about the issue and issue a patch tomorrow or tonight

If no one reports it, then it will take longer to get fixed since epic won’t know about it until a automated system flags an error or someone tries to use the launcher who works at epic

[torpid tartan]

Lol, epic says no logging in today:

Who knows, maybe its a server thing. I can see a ticket with a repost from 11 days ago, so I guess fingerscross since I cant seem to get in to do this myself

[scarlet mountain]

yep same, glad i'm not the only one. Thought it may have been adblocker but i've tried 3 devices

[torpid tartan]

Epic is so unserious sometimes

[hollow basin]

Same, it does appear to be down

[astral lily]

Yup, still down.

First instinct was to come in here and check, never fails me lol.

[pliant axle]

FAB......come on.... lol

[warm knot]

?

[green seal]

It is direct copy of a popular Call of Duty map.
Its weird that it says its an Unreal Environment when it’s only a Blender and FBX file unless I am mistaken

[dusk kelp]

Heyas, are there any known plugins/programs that convert unity particles to Unreal?

I need toon styled particles that don't really exist in Fab but are endless in Unity

[green seal]

Oof that is extremely unlikely because of how systems in unity and unreal are completely different

[dusk kelp]

Hah yeah, I was actually thinking it would be very doable to have a unity plugin that exported all the info to a file, and then an unreal plugin that read everything in and vice versa.

Though I doubt unreal lets you fully configure cascade/niagara particles in editor 😐

[proud field]

Hey does anyone happen know what is acceptable as "appropriate credit" when using an asset with "Creative Commons Attribution"? (I mean physically, where should I include the information and in what format? like inside the game/plugin/project? or just add a .txt file with a link to the asset?

[cedar bone]

not really as there is no compatibility at all in how particles works for different software

[desert panther]

https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Recommended_practices_for_attribution

In general, I'd say if you include a file with your game which includes the CC-BY attributions, and perhaps in your game's credit screen or such you include a mention of it, this seems sufficient as it's discoverable for anyone who wants to see it

since showing the attribution directly next to usages in a game's context would be kind of challenging in most cases

[proud field]

Thank you!

Reasonable attribution
The CC licenses ask you to be reasonable:

You may satisfy the attribution requirement in any reasonable manner based on the medium, means and context in which the Licensed Material is used. For example, it may be reasonable to satisfy some or all of the conditions by retaining a copyright notice, or by providing a URI or hyperlink associated with the Licensed Material, if the copyright notice or webpage includes some or all of the required information.

From WiKi, so this would mean a .txt file called CopyrightNotice with the "TASL" for each asset under the CC-BY should suffice? I'm actually making a plugin that uses some fonts (Which are not mandatory to include honestly). But since it's my first time making a commercial product I would like to at least have a general understanding of this proccess.

[desert panther]

Yeah that seems fairly reasonable to me. It might be good to include a notice in the plugin's description on Fab also just so people will be more likely to be aware of it, for a singular font you could probably include the full attribution there without it taking too much space

[proud field]

Thank you 🍺

[desert panther]

np :) generally I like to think of it in the sense of what the person whose assets you're using would appreciate, since it's usually a fairly minor thing to include

[dusk kelp]

They all have a shader/material, basic spawn rates/location, velocities, etc. Shouldn't be hard to export the base information and import it into any other software, provided that software lets you create particle systems programmatically (Like adding modules to niagara systems through code), which is where I think the blockers would be.

[cedar bone]

but the material/shader is also not compatible at all, at this point u are just manually recreating everything from scratch, even the simple numbers parameters can be incompatible, different world coordinates, units of measure, world/local differences, not even considering the use of other incompatible features and modules that cannot be directly converted to other systems, those particle system can have a lot of things in their setup and a converter plugin would need to take into account all or almost all of them to be of any use

its just too complicated for very niche usage, so i dont agree its not hard, it very hard, and on top of that for your use case its pointless and not needed anyway, as u asked about toon style particles in which case all u need is the visual part, the material as this is what makes 90% of the effect, its all in the materials and setup

the closest u will get in unity is to maybe export particle system to json data or something like that, but there is no point, just look for some unreal toon particles assets and use or learn from that, im sure FAB will have some assets like that, u can probably even get some free ones or find a tutorial on yt

[dusk kelp]

Yes.. that's the entire point of a converter plugin, to convert lol.
I would rather spend 2 days making plugins to convert the data than 2 weeks manually redoing every little detail on 50+ particles 😛

This isn't a learning thing, I've done it many times. It's a time/carpal tunnel wrist saving thing lol

[warm knot]

Oh, I didn't know that. He might be related to the guy who keeps publishing Unique Creatures Pack over and over again.

[warm knot]

This right here. Time is money.

[cedar bone]

it is and u are wrong, i was talking about creating plugin like that, your simple use case doesn't cover all particle system possibilities there is in unity and ue, so for someone to create a plugin like that for FAB it would need to cover it all, not just for a single simple case and thats not happening

but if it so easy then do it yourself, write the plugin, i mean for your simple use case where u dont need to account for all features and setups it might be enough to make a simple converter that will save you some typing, if u really have a lot of files, this might be worth the effort

[tawny hinge]

anyone had the issue where the Fab plugin only shows a few assets as owned in "My Library"?

even if i search them in the store, they don't show up as owned in the overview (only on the details page, but opening them neither brings them back to My Library)

[untold bay]

do you have a category filter active?

[tawny hinge]

nope

i feel like there's an sync issue, guess i have to delete the cache again or smth

[ionic mantle]

Is the asset used in this doc page no longer available or is it just me? https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/creating-a-fence-generator-using-shape-grammar-in-unreal-engine#assignmeshestothegrammar

[tight axle]

Hi, I would appreciate help,

I bought a Niagara-based VFX package from Fab
https://www.fab.com/listings/8bcb2243-84f0-4b6e-8f5c-cb7b24b25aea
and according to the description, it supports Unreal 5.4.
I'm using Unreal 5.4.4, so from my understanding, this shouldn't be the problem.

While trying to debug, I've tried:

• Opened a new third-person project
• Did a package, and it worked.
• Imported the Niagara-based VFX package, without adding anything to the level itself. Just dropped it in the content folder
• Tried packaging again - and it failed.

The log is attached.
Does anyone have an idea how to fix this issue?
Many thanks in advance

[green seal]

I think your link is broken.

[tight axle]

Sorry, Here is the right one (fixed it now the original message as well)
https://www.fab.com/listings/8bcb2243-84f0-4b6e-8f5c-cb7b24b25aea

[drowsy plaza]

If the asset doesn’t work and you have attempted to contact the developer and they have not responded you should be able to get a refund

[drowsy plaza]

https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/fab-development-update-march-26-comments-threads-ue-plugin-ux-updates-and-more/2419617

They gave us an update, reading it now

Dang, so the wording sounds like only new products will have forum threads for questions and sellers need to enable it

[desert panther]

That seems reasonable. If a seller doesn't want to deal with it that seems like their choice

[drowsy plaza]

Finally local currency is gonna be shown, that’s a big win for sellers and users. A lot of people outside the Us had issues with this before

[drowsy plaza]

Yeah that was probably their reasoning, I’ll be enabling it for all products that I can

I want a way for people to ask me questions

[desert panther]

Turned it on. Let's see what happens, it seems to go into the usual review queue like other updates do

[drowsy plaza]

Apparently UE 5.7 will improve performance if the fab plugin by updating how web pages are rendered through slate in unreal

[desert panther]

Wouldn't be surprised if it just upgrades to a newer version of CEF, I bet the current one is ancient lol

[drowsy plaza]

Yes!!!! Sales are coming next months and fab will be reintegrated into the epic games launcher. I love these

[drowsy plaza]

Potentially, they said something about rendering slate on the GPU. I’m not too sure about the technical stuff though

I’m guessing written reviews and analytics will come in may or June since that mostly the only things left on the roadmap and they are doing 1 section a month

[untold bay]

found this on my product listing

[drowsy plaza]

yeah, their wording was weird but it does look like we can generate them post launch too. I am going through and submitting for approval

[hollow basin]

Overall seems like a great update, but the main thing I have been looking forward into is the review system coming back and the phrasing "later this year" seems not very hopeful otherwise they would have said "in the next few months". Makes me think that it is coming out at the end of the year which is quite a long wait

[drowsy plaza]

given they seem to be doing a fresh slate for the comments, I am guessing when written reviews come back it will not transfer over from the marketplace

[untold bay]

They're updating at a pretty fast clip. I would guess it arrives Q2

Really their pace of updates has been quite refreshing

[drowsy plaza]

they said the roadmap is expected to be completed by june or july, I dont think it will be end of the year. I think they are just being dodgy to avoid deadlines and pressure from the community

[hollow basin]

I would be pretty happy with June or July, I'll remain optimistic. It has improved significantly since it's October launch

[drowsy plaza]

one thing I am disapointed in is that they got rid of this bar that was in the concept and just placed comments next to the rating which I guess is helpful but having the bar would be nice. maybe once they add text reviews they will bring it in

I feel like they should add that bar for full technical details, overview, comments, and then the reviews and faqs

I am very excited for personal discounts to come next month, sadly I will be in the april sale so I wont be able to use it until june

[warm knot]

What if you get trolled in your own comments section?

Will Epic keep them up just like they do unfair negative reviews?

[hollow basin]

A little strange that adding forum posts to existing products require products to be resubmitted. I can't imagine why it would get rejected when adding a forum post

[hollow basin]

Yeah probably a similar reporting system

[warm knot]

I guess it would have been reviewed by a new guy at the office or something if it gets denied later.

[green seal]

Why is that strange? Any change whatsoever to your listing requires a resubmit. Change a comma in the description? Resubmit. Add new photos? Resubmit. It’s pretty normal

[untold bay]

I added a forum thread, changed my product name, updated the description, and it got approved ~instantaneously

had the same experience last week when I updated the compatible version list

heads up @green seal I did some tests on the new search algo and noticed EasyFog gets a bit buried in the search results likely due to "fog" not getting keyword matched. all the top results have "fog" directly in the name and it does not seem to weigh substrings heavily

keywords-in-title seems to be important right now

[green seal]

Hehe that’s because search is weird, and fog IS in the tags, however its because EasyFog is one word. Search doesnt seem to factor in keywords very well.

[untold bay]

I'm #4 for "Shadows" but #18 for "Shadow"

[green seal]

Thanks for checking tho! Genuinely considering changing the title just for the sake of getting better discoverability

[untold bay]

(and that's with "Shadow" in my tags but not "Shadows")

[green seal]

Having custom tags would solve this issue, and fixed this issue in the original marketplace, but they removed custom tags when fab launched

[drowsy plaza]

probably but the forums allow pictures, videos, etc. so you could easily debunk anyone who lies or is malicious and even question them further

[hollow basin]

Yeah but the only thing added is something on Fab's end. I understand why things like product descriptions are monitored because I could put in a scam link and say "Free thing here!" And that would not be good. But the only thing changed is something Fab controls anyway. The approval process was quick but it still seems unnecessary to me. I just wanted to bring it up so others knew it required full product resubmission

[green seal]

I dont know, I kinda like that it is per-listing. Might not want to deal with the whole thing on all assets for example. This way you can just go in one by one. Not an issue for me since I don’t have 500 assets but I can see how it would be a tad annoying if I did haha

Maybe they don’t want to blow up their servers with a sudden massive influx of hundreds of thousands of posts all of a sudden either perhaps?

[hollow basin]

Also I was checking out my products on the smart asset tab and both of my assets are in the top 50 but I noticed EasyFog and EasySnow is 3rd and 5th respectively so that part of ranked search seems to be working out quite well

[warm knot]

What a horrible search algorithm.

[green seal]

True! I noticed this too so its obviously not all bad, just odd that searching for “Easy Fog” instead of “EasyFog” gives wildly different results

[marsh salmon]

I resubmitted mine w/ the box checked and it was approved but there is still no forum post link 🤷

[drowsy plaza]

go to the product page and it should be next to reviews

[marsh salmon]

yea I know where it should appear, but it didn't

[untold bay]

I run a search engine of my own (http://combodeck.net/) and while you can smartly match inexact keywords it's work I wouldn't expect them to prioritize
I have a bunch of manual logic for handling plurals and things like that but I would not expect much this early in Fab's lifecycle

There's never been a time to add eg. search-by-embedding-distance but I wouldn't prioritize that yet either

[warm knot]

Yeah, they'd be better off implementing other features first.

[desert panther]

Mine was just approved. There's a "Comments" link now next to the ratings which takes you to the forum thread :)

[vale prawn]

Fab in the Epic Games Launcher
There goes my hope of Fab Desktop being literally anything other than the launcher. Thank god the orange dot is safe, it would truly have been a shame to lose it 🫠

Sorting by new still doesn't sort by new, but at this point I'm guessing it's a feature and not a bug.

[dire meteor]

That's should be the description of fab as a whole.

[untold bay]

switch the URL from createdAt to publishedAt and get much better chronological sorting

i'll just tweet that one @ Fab, super easy change that's obviously an improvement

[vale prawn]

I know, I'm the one who reported the issue and this fix on day 2. But the fact that 6 months later it's still here... At least it's consistent with all my other bug reports to Epic! 🙃

[drowsy plaza]

we sorta have analytics now on views with the forums

[green seal]

Yeah I have a feeling this is one of the reasons they opted for the forum approach, they already have the infrastructure for it that is pretty robust, might as well use it

[drowsy plaza]

Hopefully it leads to a better experience than the old questions tab on the marketplace. You couldn’t really go back and forth on the questions and people were not notified when their question was responded to

[green seal]

Totally agreed. It was nice to have the questions and reviews all in one place on the listing, but it was really hard to navigate and keep track

[drowsy plaza]

Yeah, hopefully in the future they can find a way to embed the forums data into the fab store page though

That way a external page won’t need to load

[drowsy plaza]

They finally told us why written reviews are taking so long, it’s a feature that epic wants as a whole company not just fab so they need to build it with other teams at epic and in a way that can implemented across epic platforms

The stuff they have been adding recently is only for fab so they can make it quickly

[untold bay]

How much do we think https://www.fab.com/channels/unreal-engine?sort_by=-relevance is an effective proxy for, say, revenue-over-the-last-year?

Any high-earning assets seem missing? Any unlikely inclusions?

I suspect this is actually the best look we've ever gotten at what people are buying

Orbital-Market's popularity rankings are the best I know but Epic has so much more & better data

The absence of any free products, and the inclusion of many high-price products, suggests this accurately models what Epic expects will generate the most revenue

and isn't a proxy for other popularity signals less correlated with revenue, like rating, #reviews, #downloads, etc

[warm knot]

Those are some wicked looking assets. Real nice. I'm just curious, what did you search for? When I open the link, there is nothing typed into the search bar.

[vale prawn]

There's no actual search: it's just the whole Unreal side of Fab, sorted by relevance

[desert panther]

Not sure about revenue over the last year, maybe total sales or some other kind of popularity metric. I definitely hear a lot of folks like Ultra Dynamic Sky and I've heard of a few of those on top, so it seems plausible it's at least somewhat indicative now that they're integrating sales data

F.ex. Horror Engine and Narrative Pro - Narrative Pro is ranked after Horror Engine, if it's purely revenue, it seems like Narrative Pro oughta be higher up given even with 14 guaranteed sales (14 reviews) it's at 20k vs Horror Engine's guaranteed sales puts it at 1.7k

[desert panther]

No because this is illegal under the license terms

And any products you create using Quixel assets acquired in this way would be in violation of the license and you would be liable to be sued if you ever released them

[tacit wyvern]

i mean like if there is anyone who is willing to help me as a friend privately

[desert panther]

Yes and I'm trying to tell you that this line of inquiry will get you banned from this server if the mods catch you lol

[tacit wyvern]

oh I am completey sorry

[untold bay]

yes, like brifsttar said, by searching for nothing, the only thing that can influence the search results is "Relevance" which best I can tell appears to be an excellent proxy for revenue

[white moat]

Hi, when developing assets for fab is it reasonable to include 4k texture sizes on all assets (they are all similar size, nothing unreasonable dw) since the end user can reduce the size at a later date but wont be able to scale it up? Or should I take performance for all platforms into a bigger consideration?

[untold bay]

it's all upside to the buyer to have the higher quality texture. on the other hand https://youtu.be/Pcm6SrfgnvA?t=24

(video title is hyperbolic but shows a nice tool for gauging texture size requirements)

[white moat]

thanks! Ill take a look at the video to see if my textures are USELESS too ;P

[marsh salmon]

note if you want UEFN devs to be able to (easily) use your assets, this page might be useful to skim through: https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/uefn/creating-fortnite-ready-assets-in-unreal-editor-for-fortnite

you can configure per-platform max-resolutions for the derived/cooked version of the texture...not 100% sure that will go into the published version, but it is how to properly handle having a large source texture that is still usable on lower-end platforms

[fickle bane]

guys, can you help me out? I can't for the love of god find the Quarry Collection from Quixel, the old link is unusable now and I need these assets. (https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/quarry-collections)

[tardy lynx]

Hi, License question: If I have the personal license for an asset and my project becomes funded, do I need to repurchase the asset for the professional license again?

[drowsy plaza]

No, the license type is calculated at time of purchase. You don’t owe retroactively

[tardy lynx]

thank you!

[bronze dawn]

Hello, I am planning to release an asset pack on Fab marketplace but I have an issue with plugins. Im using the default engine plugins but received this feedback after sending the file for review.

" Plugins were found enabled. Please make sure to disable them or note in the product listing that this project utilizes plugins and note them
down."

How can I go about this? Tried to disable some plugins and the file couldnt open

[fathom ferry]

You need to disable the modeling plugin

[bronze dawn]

ok i'll try that and resubmit thanks!

[green seal]

If you open up your “defaultEngine.ini” file you can see which plugins are loaded and just set them to false there

[drowsy plaza]

Did you mean the uproject file? The default engine.ini is a config file for settings

[green seal]

Yes thats correct my bad. Open the .uproject file in notepad and just enable/disable the plugins there

[bronze dawn]

hey, i tried to do turn off the plugins stated here but seems like disabling VirtualScouting or PythonScriptPlugin causes my engine to crash while opening

gives me this whenever i restart the project

[green seal]

Set them back to true one by one until you find the culprit. Pretty sure the python one is necessary

[bronze dawn]

Hmm yea guess i'll do that. Thanks for your help! 😊

[drowsy plaza]

That’s weird, usually that means something in your codebase relies on it in someway. You can also delete plugin entries entirely and that will uninstall them which is what fab requires sometimes

[bronze dawn]

i do have blueprints setup for certain modular/customizable assets, that could be the reason too

[vapid crow]

according to this post it might also be something in the config
https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/ndisplay-failed-to-load-class-displaycluster-displayclusterengine/126161/3

[drowsy plaza]

I don’t know about twin motion but don’t delete the config folder in unreal. That will destroy your project

[drowsy plaza]

Has anyone gotten any comments on their product forums yet?

[untold bay]

i may or may not have gotten a page view 😂

[hollow basin]

No comments yet but I have 4 page views!

(3 of them were me)

[drowsy plaza]

lol yeah it seems the adoption of the forums feature is not widely used yet

Maybe once discounts come around people will use it more

[untold bay]

People don't know to look for them yet, and the link has a weaker call to action (comments vs. questions)

[vapid crow]

aha yeah that's definitely a bad idea

[frank verge]

I see that this listing has not been migrated by seller also I have not downloaded it and it is not available in fab. Is there any way we can get it ?
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/nordic-coast-collections

[desert panther]

I'm fairly sure all the assets in any of the megascans "collections" should be part of the other megascans/quixel assets which are available. My understanding was the collections were just bundles of those assets put together.

[green seal]

This is correct. You arent getting the assembled level in the thumbnail there

That said the bundled assets was handy

[viral zinc]

Why many items that are supposed to work with version 4.27 lets say and are listed as working on the page cannot be added as that version to any project?

[subtle vale]

The Launcher sometimes bugs and you need to click on the asset in your Vault and choose "Remove Local Content". That usually fixes it

[viral zinc]

damm

[viral zinc]

Thank you! will try out

[lusty summit]

Weapon animators some advice, if you are making rifle/smg animation packs and try to make it seem realistic you need to have two reloads based on if the weapon is empty.

[regal river]

my pc takes forever to start games how do i fix it?

[spiral jacinth]

Assuming you own it, you can use AssetManager.Studio to download it; AMS supports pulling assets from both UM and FAB.

[hollow basin]

This is probably not the right channel. Also your question is very vague. It's slow to start games? A game like fortnite or your game in ue5? Do you have a slow PC? Have you tried unreal insights or other profiling tools?

[cursive chasm]

I need me a fab sale rn.

It's April and I need to feed my addiction of failed projects.

[severe rune]

Fab's April's fools is just gonna reset your whole library

[dire meteor]

The April Fool's for fab is that it actually works.

[old pier]

Has there been any thoughts about making a "Wishlist" for FAB so you can gauge interest in your upcoming projects?

[untold bay]

fab added wishlists a few weeks ago

hopefully seller analytics shows sellers the numbers. i believe seller analytics were on the roadmap

[old pier]

Wow okay nice, I missed that. Thanks for the info

[untold bay]

https://dev.epicgames.com/community/fab/roadmap

i see seller sales reports but no analytics

[old pier]

Gotcha okay. Any idea on if we can post a "In development" preview and get wishlists before its actually for sale?

[untold bay]

haven't heard of that. could be nice though i don't know if people are likely to engage with that the way they would with, say, steam pages

[old pier]

Yeah hard to say, could be nice to garnish exposure atleast once you're established, or show investors that people are interested. I suppose there could be more hype if you release a super lite preview for download get feedback early

[green seal]

Yeah you and me both. So far no dice though. No indication of how many have wishlisted something

[vale prawn]

We plan to integrate Loci’s technology across the Epic ecosystem, including to improve search, sharing and discoverability in Fab
[...]
Loci’s 3D similarity detection solution for IP protection will help to identify potential IP violations
https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/loci-is-now-a-part-of-epic-games

[hollow basin]

That is awesome, I am hoping they could do some great work for Fab. The company reached out to some creators on Fab to hear their feedback so I have high hopes that they could improve it

[vale prawn]

Can the AI tell that this is ripped from The Crew, as it already was the last 3 times it was published?

That's still good news though, at least they're aware of the problem. They'll have a huge playfield with the legacy SketchFab assets.

[hollow basin]

They claim to have similarity detection software so I would assume it could flag it. Looking forward to seeing AI slop getting filtered out, and piracy/copyrighted material being rejected from Fab

[narrow wave]

That's still not taken down?

[vale prawn]

It was, but somehow it got republished still on the same listing (= same publish date)

[hasty kraken]

spring sales?

[drowsy plaza]

is it legal to title a plugin or asset after a big name IP?

its featured so I guess fab doesnt care but still, seems legally grey

[hollow basin]

I feel like it is questionable because it's easier than saying walking, sliding, running, wall running. Just noticed it says it below the title but not nearly as good at quickly conveying the product purpose. As long as they describe that it is like titanfalls movement and that it isn't the actual code for it, I would think it's ok

[warm knot]

When they add view counts and wishlist counts for sellers, then maybe I'll feel updating my one and only asset.

[fossil dune]

depends… if the name is not trademarked why would you worry about it? its a word… like if its in the dictionary, why is it wrong for me to use it.

if they go to court for this it would be stupid and they’d probably lose..

[green seal]

Highly doubtful it would ever get to court, a cease and desist is more likely, but thats also super unlikely

[drowsy plaza]

Yeah it is kinda hard to find the motivation to do updates if you don’t know how well an asset is doing

[warm knot]

I'm updating that asset, btw. 😋

Just not as much as I originally planned because I'd rather move on to the next project sooner.

The good thing is that I sold more than my initial haters said that I would. But I reeeeeaally wanna know what the view counts are. That would help.

[green seal]

You mean page views vs follow-through/conversion rate?

[warm knot]

Just page views is a good start.

[drowsy plaza]

With the forums you can see how many people click the comment button

[warm knot]

That's a neat little trick.

[glass crystal]

Okay I feel dumb asking this, but after I get something in Fab is there any way to go to that thing in the launcher other than a keyword search?

It seems like this button should do it, but it doesn't deep link it just goes to my library

[drowsy plaza]

Nope not dumb, the button just opens the launcher it doesn’t go to the exact product. You still need to refresh your library then search for it sadly

[drowsy plaza]

This is new

You can quickly add items to cart or wishlist them from the cover art

[vital island]

Really Great

[wild wraith]

Hello guys why does quixel bridge plugin not work and all assets just have a button that redirect le to fab
Is quixel no longer functional

[hasty kraken]

I hope they won't make spring sales during easter holidays 😄

I'll be away in coutry side with poor internet connection

https://tenor.com/view/moment-of-silence-pay-respect-rip-rest-in-peace-bow-gif-15963301

[drowsy plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/betise-connerie-erreur-mistake-bad-news-gif-22193025

[covert mesa]

When my Studio works for a client, does the client need to buy and own the Fab Assets / Plugins or my Studio?

[green seal]

What are you delivering to your client?

[wraith nymph]

will we get discount code system in fab?

[covert mesa]

A Game. The Client is basically the game director who brings the idea and directs his wishes to us, but doesn't develop with us within Unreal Engine.

[green seal]

Oof I think you need a lawyer to give you some proper legal advice there. Things get complicated when licenses and royalties are involved for something like that. I honestly have no idea.

My general assumption would be that your studio needs to buy the assets, you can pass on those costs to your client. But as to who actually has the licenses involved is another matter that I have no idea about. Obligatory "I am not a lawyer"

[fossil dune]

Imagine this.
im a game studio, I bought your plugin.
i have 100 clients or 100 games to build.

i only paid once for your plugin. I then distribute it for clients 100 clients…+ . instead of all 100 clients buying it.

If this is legal i think all plugin devs should just start a game dev studio…. and use other dev plugins

[desert panther]

This depends on what the deliverable is and how it's going to be used by the client. If you deliver a packaged project then it's essentially the same as distributing it on something like Steam. If you deliver the full sources which the client may then use to create something else or develops it further, then it depends on the marketplace content. Plugins are on a per-seat basis, so they would need to purchase per-seat licenses for them. Other content is ok to share, but only for work related to that specific project. If they were to take the content and develop something else using it, they need to purchase a license.

(This is all in the Fab EULA)

[covert mesa]

Okay, thank you all for the input 🙏

[covert mesa]

Plugins are on a per-seat basis means if I have a team of 5, I need to buy that Fab Unreal Plugin 5x times?

[fossil dune]

Yes, but not many companies do that... Epic Games and Fab don't add that to their checkout widget...
They want you to "contact them with bulk buying" orders.. lame interface.
My advice if you're on a tight budget, do what everyone else is doing until your company is doing well..

And I'm not talking from a game developer side, i'm talking from a plugin seller perspective... If Epic Games added the "num of licenses" entry to their checkout form / Add to cart form, my plugins would be cheaper...
But the clause above is not obvious to a lot of people who are new to Fab. Seems like a trap cause i'm sure a lot of games out there are not properly licensed in terms of seats.

They do say though "team of 5" doesn't mean you need 5, it means you ask you self "how many of the people in my team of 5 will access/download the plugin or work with it"
Which really doesn't make sense cause if you have a team of 5, and you guys are accessing the exact same files, although im doing art, or AI or something unrelated to it, the files are there when i get the source control version

[desert panther]

Yeah it's kind of a faff to deal with as with seat licensing usually

[vale prawn]

The EULA doesn't explicitely says what a user/seat is, if seat are transferable, if so how to proceed, etc. It's just super vague and doesn't make much sense. I have no clue why this plugin exception exists in the first place, and at this point I'm guessing neither does Epic.

[hollow basin]

I have had a contract in the past where the plugin was half of the money they needed to pay, and they needed it to access the file. So it was nice because I could verify some upfront payment. Granted there are things that could go wrong like them pirating the assets or refunding it after transaction but I trusted the guy I had a contract with and it worked out without any issues. So if you have a contract make sure you specify the price breakdown. You would be fine to charge either method either with or without the plugin. It's all up to you

[cursive chasm]

When it comes to licenses and seats I’d take it more seriously that the studio has the proper seats required for themselves and then passes along the information to the client how many they need to purchase for themselves.

Basically wash your hands of the issue entirely.

It’s your duty to make the client aware via a legal document/email and from there you’ve done what you can.

[desert panther]

Click on the button that says Learn More

tldr: the seller has not filled in the forms required to identify them as a trader or non-trader for EU-related taxation regulations and such

Which is kinda funny that they still allow them to sell for anyone not in EU... I guess EU is the only entity that they're afraid might fine them for not following the laws :P

[vale prawn]

The EU is the only entity requiring that sellers register as traders to conduct online business. Epic is just applying the Digital Services Act, which obviously only applies in the EU.

[drowsy plaza]

It depends on the seller, I let teams share my plugin with each other as long as they don’t redistribute it and only one of them seeks support

[drowsy plaza]

The laws only apply to EU businesses, if you sell a product in the EU you have to obey their laws unless you exclude the EU from your sales distribution

Technically you could do nothing as an American though, EU can’t do anything to Americans. Worst case they remove your product from sale there

[desert panther]

Correct, but if I sell a product or services in the US I have to certify my tax exemption status with the IRS so it seems like it would apply here also just the same

[untold bay]

US doesn't require this process. you still have to pay taxes

[desert panther]

Yeah not sure if that's the distinction. I do recall that if you don't file the IRS forms, it just defaults to "you have to pay taxes" instead of "you can't do business", so not sure if it applies in that way in this case

At least I recall this is how tax withholding usually has worked when I've had to file those, it always says "if you don't file these then we'll withhold taxes"

[drowsy plaza]

Fab handles sales tax for you and in most states they have a fairly high threshold for when you need to get a sales tax license.

If you are a sole proprietor then you just file through turbo tax at the end of the year

There is quarterly taxes you can pay but I believe they are optional and just lower your bill at the end of the year

[untold bay]

yes, just paying the IRS interest on missed quarterlies is less than the cost of tax preparation up to some point

[desert panther]

Every time I hear about US taxes it's always something weird like this lol

[untold bay]

honestly i would bucket this under "features" as paying quarterly is a totally optional optimization

[drowsy plaza]

The IRS is intentionally convoluted to maximize government profit and prop up accounting industries. They still have us mail forms through postal service instead of digitally

I had to mail a letter for the first time in my life because of the government

People here hate companies like TurboTax but after having to do things through government websites I am very grateful for it

[desert panther]

The government tax portal here is really good somewhat surprisingly

Modern, quick, easy to use. Takes me like 5 mins to file yearly taxes for my business

(The average person never has to touch anything like that since it's all automated unless you have business related stuff to deal with)

Accounting industry seems to have a bit of a thing with it here too though... The gov wanted to develop a free accounting software package for small businesses but the national advocacy group for SME's apparently lobbied them out of it

The group is sponsored by the largest accounting companies in the country so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest even though the majority of smaller members would probably have liked it

[warm knot]

England charges a Value Added Tax. Just found that out as somebody from over there bought my asset, but my God it is a hefty tax. Exactly what VALUE are they even adding, wth? That just discourages people from buying at all.

[cursive chasm]

Why do you think they don’t have a Silicon Valley in the eu/uk?

Too many insane taxes and other bs.

[warm knot]

That and the EU government doesn't seem too interested in making their own Silicon Valley. Over here, Silicon Valley was very massively funded by the government. Wouldn't have happened without that.

[desert panther]

Our VAT in Finland is 25.5%, I think only Hungary's 27% VAT is ahead of us :P

[desert panther]

VAT is basically the same as Sales Tax is in most US states so it has nothing to do with that lol

It's also not a funding question. There are plenty of government programs across EU that fund tech and innovation

Small business grants etc. even for lesser credentials than that

[green seal]

Haha yeah 25% here in Norway. Fortunately I get all of that back as a business when I write off tools/things I need for work.
There's varying degrees of VAT depending on what you buy, food/produce is 15% for example.

Some states don't have sales tax which sounds nice, but they get you in plenty of other ways. I think it's Texas that slams you real hard with property taxes. If they do end up abolishing federal income tax, you can be sure they will get their money from the average american in some other roundabout way. The funding has to come from somewhere.

[desert panther]

Yeah similar here with the VAT, can get VAT refunds on business related expenses and lower VAT on certain types of goods

Apparently the fact they put the VAT at 25.5 and not at 25 (it used to be 24% like a year or two ago) screwed over some accounting software because they had to do modifications to support non-integer VAT % lol

[green seal]

Oh I believe it

I remember when I moved here I was like, wtf 25% that is bananas, thinking Quebec's 15% was high enough. But man. Quality of life we get up here is dang good. Not to mention consumer protection laws in Norway are some of the best i have ever seen in my life. I buy local as much as I can purely because of the 5 year warranty on just about anything you buy, even if that isnt a manufacturer warranty. It's probably similar in Finland

[desert panther]

Yeah it's pretty similar

They define something like the "expected lifetime" in the consumer protection laws and the manufacturer can be liable for failure past warranty if it's seen that the product should've lasted longer

[green seal]

Yep same process here

[loud dome]

You came here for the mountains? 😄

[green seal]

Came for work, stayed for the lifestyle, accessibility, quality of life, and women in bunad 😂

[loud dome]

Understandable 😄

[green seal]

The whole "American dream" thing is way, way, way easier here in the nordics than back in North America IMO

[loud dome]

Not that easy to exploit people though. And people get health care regardless of income/etc

[green seal]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

[loud dome]

Oslo here, were are you located?
Btw I sent you a DM long time ago. Think it's something that would interest you

[green seal]

Oslo too. I'll have to check my DM's haha, between here, and other social media platforms, it gets overwhelming so I just ignore, don't really want to deal, I would get nothing done if I answered everyone

[loud dome]

Discord DMs isn't the easiest to notice either. 😅

[still basin]

We have a lot of taxes in Quebec but at least there some grants too to compensate in the gaming industry. Otherwise it would not be very competitive

Being paid in USD also help a bit :p

[loud dome]

I think we don't have Silicon Valley in eu/uk because you can't just build it. It's something that has to grow naturally over decades. And you need the really big companies to foster enough opportunities for the smaller startups etc.

The current silicon valley has some huge players. Landing a contract with a sub-sub-sub company of one of those can be enough for a startup to survive. Government funding isn't enough. You need the ecosystem.

[vague sluice]

Hi, can I use this in unity? it's now
Standard License?

[cursive chasm]

20-30-40% VAT isn’t the same as 7% sales tax. Ffs

[desert panther]

Perhaps, but note that there are no countries with VAT higher than 27%. Regardless, VAT has a negligible impact on running a business so I don't really see what correlation it has on this

[green seal]

Yeah businesses reclaim VAT

I'm very hazy on the details but for the average consumer, VAT and Sales tax are largely the same thing. It's difference is for businesses I believe but don't quote me on that

[dire meteor]

Businesses reclaim vat if they earn enough to do so.

Not all self-employed people will.

[green seal]

Laws differ per country, here in Norway the threshold is really, really low. I believe it's roughly 4000$ in a year you need to bring in. So really, any actual business generating revenue will be registered for VAT.

If a company is not VAT registered, then they don't even need to charge VAT on their invoices anyway so it is kind of moot.

[desert panther]

You can definitely reclaim VAT regardless of revenue/profitability in Finland. You just file it monthly "this is how much VAT I paid" and they refund you

But only if you are VAT-registered, that is correct. But there's no downside from being VAT registered, besides having to report VAT monthly

(It's different for tax deductibles which would require you to actually have an amount of taxes to pay to be able to deduct any)

[dire meteor]

In the UK it's £75k.

And even $4000 a year is a stretch for somebody releasing assets on Fab, tbh.

Sure some people may make a lot of money, but I doubt that's the majority of people.

[green seal]

What exactly are we talking about here? What are we debating?

[dire meteor]

Oh. It's not £75k any more, it's £90k.

I don't even know. I was just commenting on "businesses reclaim vat" which isn't always the case.

Especially for Fab creators.

[desert panther]

You can voluntarily register for VAT from the looks of it

[green seal]

It's kind of irrelevant to this discussion then because we fab sellers don't invoice anything, we're not really dealing with VAT

[desert panther]

That would allow you to reclaim it regardless of how much money you're making

[green seal]

Yeah from a very quick google search, the 90k thing is only a mandatory registration. You HAVE to register if you earn that much.
But you can register at any point.

In Norway you HAVE to register at 4k.

[desert panther]

Yeah it's 20k here

[green seal]

There's definitely benefits to NOT being registered with VAT, you can charge lower prices as your services don't need to have VAT added. There's benefits to being registered of course too, getting VAT on expenses reclaimed is sweet.

[desert panther]

Yeah I suppose if you're not VAT registered and you're selling to consumers

since in b2b transactions the buyer can just reclaim the VAT so it shouldn't really matter for them (plus you can omit VAT from b2b transactions if you've verified the buyer is VAT registered)

[desert panther]

Just curious - With 6 years of experience, what makes you think that spamming on discord is an effective method for getting clients? How many clients have you found this way?

[dim carbon]

That's an insult to me.

[desert panther]

It's just a question because people do this and I don't know why :)

[jaunty dagger]

Not really the channel for it more fitting for #introductions

This is for things related to fab market

[dim carbon]

I can build scalable website and it is good for everybody.

[dim carbon]

Sorry.

[desert panther]

That doesn't really answer my question though, why do you think that mass-posting it on discord is a good way to find customers for your services?

The reason I'm asking is I've never heard of someone being hired because they did that, so I wonder where did you get the idea that it would work

[dim carbon]

Well, It is right.
But I can get a job or task.

[desert panther]

I guess there's a language barrier or something here :)

[dim carbon]

?

[desert panther]

Your answers don't really seem to be answering the question is what I mean

[dim carbon]

And then I am not so free,
If you have advice for me, DM

[undone valve]

Ads are forbidden. Someone ban this scammer

Funny that regularly the same cycle repeats itself. I guess there is some sort of marketing course that says: go spam on the unreal discord server 😭

[desert panther]

I think it's just a buncha scammers

If anyone is gullible enough to contact them based on this method, it increases the chances they will fall for the rest of the scam

Basically a method of having people self-filter out of the scam so they don't waste time

(especially with the quick move into DMs, don't want to expose it here)

[drowsy plaza]

I’m really surprised no one is using the comment feature on fab, in the marketplace comments were very common. I wonder if it’s because it’s a hyperlink and not directly embedded into store pages

[hollow basin]

I do think it's because of that. I don't know if it automatically signs people in to forums but if it doesn't that would lose a lot of people right there

[untold bay]

a lot of creators probably still don't know
which means a lot of pages don't feature it. which means users don't know
and "0 comments" is a much weaker call to action than "Questions & Answers" or whatever it said on marketplace

Hey how do you update the technical details on a product? There's no field to update it in the portal

[drowsy plaza]

It should be in the same page you upload builds

[warm knot]

I honestly wouldn't have known if it wasn't for this discord.

[undone valve]

it doesnt

[proper dew]

239SC-NXBUS-28MK8-PLDT2 Zombie Army Soldier

[vale prawn]

It's pretty well hidden to be honest. Knowing the feature was live, it took me like 15s to figure out where the questions were located on the page.

Having it automatically displayed on the page when scrolling down, or at least have the link more visible near "Description" (like the MP) would help. I'm guessing (hoping) this will change once they get proper reviews implemented.

[desert panther]

Well it's fairly easy to spot next to the ratings stars it seems

[drowsy plaza]

yeah they may change it up a little if their data shows no one is using the feature

it would be really cool if the forums could be embedded into the store page but I dont know if their tech is built for that, at least a bigger button to go to it would be better

[green seal]

Yeah i am a bit surprised that I have gotten zero comments or questions despite announcing the feature on SoMe

[drowsy plaza]

If you are not getting comments then no one is

A good chunk of products don’t have it enabled either

[tepid aspen]

when I add an asset to my project, how do find out the folder name.

[untold bay]

i regret to inform you that the best you can probably do is sort by date created in explorer

content folder names are all over the place

i installed "Ancient Mountain Temple" the other day and the content folder name was "TheMessenger"

[hollow basin]

SoMe? I am unfamiliar with what that is.

[green seal]

Are you for real?

[green seal]

Social Media

Shortform haha

[hollow basin]

Got it thanks, makes sense now that i hear it

[green seal]

Uuuuusually the folder name will be whatever the name of the asset you added is, but I suppose a seller could have changed the name of the asset after publishing which means it wont be named the same as the asset folder

[untold bay]

still better than the super generic names likely to overlap with other assets. one is "Desert"

pretty sure i had one that was "Castle"

[spiral jacinth]

Don't know about the Epic Launcher, but Asset Manager Studio (https://assetmanager.studio) will show you the path to that content in your vault. The final piece is the same name as what it is installed as. So for example I have a downloaded asset from Epic called "200 Grunge Decals", the current version will be installed into the project/content folder: "200Grunga3ee73c00c5cV1". (Which is a sucky name, but it is what the author has it named as), So it is trival to then right mouse click on your project and click "Jump To" and then go into the "Content" folder and see it. 🙂

[drowsy plaza]

If you install packs through the epic games launcher they don’t have the hex string on them. I installed several packs on Friday, that hex string is for the fab data, perhaps the third party launcher is not accounting for this with its api

[spiral jacinth]

Interesting. I have debated removing the "Random" string, but decided to leave it because too many assets actually have the same base name. I don't know how many "Castles" and "Vehicles" I have in my library... LOL.. I have thought about offering the ability to generate the project/content name based on the actual asset TITLE as these have to be unique as Epic uses it as a key in one of their API's. But I haven't worked on code for that yet. I need to do a lot of tests with weird names to make sure the UE doesn't croak because it has a "-" in it or something like that. 😄

[drowsy plaza]

The hex string is added so fab can query the asset in their database and through the launcher likely for future proofing of features they plan to add with fab desktop

It’s only supposed to be in windows explorer though not the content browser

The launcher doesn’t query asset packs installed to content folders so they just use the name devs give it, but for plugins it uses the hex

[warm knot]

Perhaps we should prefix our asset folders with an abbreviation of our seller/company name?

[spiral jacinth]

Thats interesting. I actually scan the projects and engines in AMS and can figure out which plugin/asset it belongs to with out using the truncated id. I just leave the truncated id because it makes sure their is no naming conflicts... 😄

[spiral jacinth]

The name appears to default to 8 Characters from your title (unless you set the full name) and then it appends like the first 12 (or so) of the asset id.

[spiral jacinth]

But looking at this, I can see where my assumption could have a problem. The asset if updated will have a different "Vx" number appended, which means that an "update" won't replace the old version. I'm going to have to re-think leaving the 12 digit id & Vx appended to it... 😄

[drowsy plaza]

If you can check if there are conflicts, then just pop up a warning saying “asset name is already a folder in project”

[untold bay]

#1 something not likely to overlap
#2 match the asset name, if not perfectly then closely

[narrow wave]

Is there a way to exclude owned assets from a search?

[astral cloud]

How can I see later, which license I have in fab? The last point in time, this is visible in the Cart, so taking a screenshot. After this, I can do a view in library, but this does not show the license, and visting the asset in fab only shows, that it is in my library. but not under which license. Also the mail receipt has no information on this. So the only way is to take the prices, open fab without being logged in and compare price info to get a clue about the license obtained at that time. Maybe I'm just blind to see the info, otherwise, just having a flat for this (for example in the library overview) would be really helpful.

[astral cloud]

In addition a second question related to this: The third pack Carpenters Workshop for this period of free packages - I already have this one, did get this by using a Cosmos key. Same question here - how can I know, which Fab License I have? And in addition, if it is a personal only, how could I get this free pack from the current offer again as a Professional one? Fab tells me, I have it, no option to add to cart with different license.

[green seal]

Pretty sure when you get a free asset you get its professional license, could be wrong but thats my understanding

[astral cloud]

Yes, it is selectable for the free Epic assets every 2 weeks, but you must make sure to select the professional one when placing into the cart. For the Cosmos ones, they have that Get Redeem code for Epic Marketplace for those assets you purchase (they started with this somewhere mid last year). Not sure, how these translate. Anyway, that question could easily be solved, if Epic simply would display the license you have.

[untold bay]

it does not matter whether you have the personal or professional license, as the terms are the same. the only difference is who is allowed to purchase the personal

they both confer the same rights to you in perpetuity

when you get the free one you can pick a license just like when purchasing

[astral cloud]

Well, it is not the same actually. Prices also have huge differences sometimes. While I'm not hitting the 100k limit, many people could be affected. So having an overview about your licenses in my opinion is vital information, Epic should definitely provide.

[untold bay]

https://www.fab.com/eula
terms are here
these are the only mentions of tier

[astral cloud]

I also have assets I did buy on the Marketplace (before Fab) - no license displayed. Not sure, if all these are transformed into personal or professional on fab launch.

[untold bay]

you bought them with a marketplace license. the existence of fab can not change the terms of that license

so they are still under the marketplace license

(it's still a very valid critique that the license isn't listed)

[astral cloud]

Ok, seems I'm starting to understand. If I had a business in digital content with >100k in general, I always need to get a Professional Tier, no matter if I use a specific pack in my commercial projects or not. So having bought many packs, and after 3 years reaching that limit, Epic could reach out to me and ask for the difference for all of my personal licensed packs bought back in times before? Well, being a hobbyist, but still trying to understand to avoid any issues.

Legal stuff isn't really fun

[untold bay]

Epic could reach out to me and ask for the difference for all of my personal licensed packs bought back in times before?
No, it's made explicit that the requirement only applies at the time of purchase

[astral cloud]

Ah, ok, didn't read carefully enough. Thank you for your explanations and your patience.

[desert panther]

Legal texts are usually fairly logical, you just have to understand how they are structured. They are usually doing two kinds of things 1) defining what something means 2) what rules apply to this something

so in this instance you can see it says "If you complete a Transaction for a License Tier you were not eligible for at the time of purchase...."

So it follows that the eligibility for the license applies at time of purchase

[undone parrot]

Is anyone aware of any plugin or utility that helps automate color palette creation? ie either from a image or a simple screen grab of an existing palette.
More specifically some way of automating the creation of as well as importing custom themes
https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/color-picker-in-unreal-engine

[hasty kraken]

I thought springs sales are already happening?

[drowsy plaza]

you might need to use an api to do that, I dont know if any have been made

[hollow basin]

There is no spring sale happening right now

[hasty kraken]

somebody said that's gonna happen this week

weird

[untold bay]

Any idea what the right way to add newlines to your Fab product description is?
I'm hitting shift-enter, which adds a newline, but when I reload my draft, it's gone

can't believe i'm asking this but it is really not working correctly

i have resorted to copy-pasting working newlines but surely there is a better way

[north fern]

I just published my first Fab asset. Like many of you it seems, I couldn't figure out what to put as the "FabURL" in my .uplugin file prior to an actual listing being approved. I guessed by using the pre-listing UUID at the end of the URL of my asset. It got approved and is now live. However, I can't seem to search for my asset on Fab, nor locate it via category filters. I can only find it by entering the exact live listing url in the browser. That url has a different UUID than what I put in my .uplugin file.

Anyone know if this would be why search doesn't find my asset?

[untold bay]

what's it called?

also congrats!

[north fern]

"MCP Python Bridge": https://www.fab.com/listings/0167ac03-47b5-4a08-b68f-5d54ab7b208e

[untold bay]

yeah also does not show up for me either. i wonder if their search index only updates periodically
i would check back tomorrow

[north fern]

Yeah, I was thinking that may be true. The whole FabURL deal throws me.

[desert panther]

You know it occurs to me, my plugin still says MarketplaceURL and they didn't tell me to change it

It was always a bit wonky with that - the instructions was something like you just need to fix it once you get the url for it from the initial review

[jaunty dagger]

Enable editor symbols for debugging to see more info on the crash.

That's likely a permission error though

[green seal]

The formatting in product descriptions has been SUPER wonky. Ive had to resubmit for approval a few times because the formatting and new lines would just get all condensed making paragraphs look like one ginormous word salad turd

Its ok now but its been kinda weird

[untold bay]

Yeah it took me like three tries to get it to show up like it did in the editor. Also had to fix issues from the marketplace migration

[cosmic urchin]

Anyone able to help with where the megascans stuff is on FAB cause it's forcing me to use that now and when clicking the Get on fab button it doesn't actually take me to the texture I'm wanting

so on quixel I see all these

however on fab I only see that many, like I don't get it

[solid trench]

Did you download it before it ran out?

ALso there's a 3d assets section above the surfaces section you are in

[cosmic urchin]

yep cause if I go to the ones you have to pay for and click into them it chances to let me download them rather then pay for them

Fab for me when it comes to megascans and stuff says it needs to be paid for but after going into it then chances to let me download, turns out the ones I was trying to look for are there as well just in different catogary

[icy lance]

Epic forgot to round the taxes amount lol

[hollow basin]

I can afford a 14% tax but that extra 0.00000000000000002% is too much

[drowsy plaza]

What is that? 1/100th of a cent?

[desert panther]

That's bizarre, are they doing math operations on the VAT % for it to end up like that

[loud dome]

They probably store the vat as a factor. So when doing math in javascript you get this awesomeness

[desert panther]

Ah that's a good point

That's just a regular floating point feature but yeah JS doesn't make it particularly easy to avoid

[old leaf]

I did try download Valley template and looks like it is stuck for already around hour. Is it normal?

looks like even caneling have same issue...

[cosmic urchin]

How do I get it to show quixel megascan ??

I had this issue yesterday

so got a work around by searching megascans it seems to pull out the stuff from megascans when i look in the catogarys

[untold bay]

yeah sometimes i have to restart EGL

[old leaf]

for me, restarting PC did work..

[shy bloom]

Hi, does anyone know how to submit my product for the featured free assets in Fab?

[desert panther]

iirc there was some way to submit via email or something, you can probably email fab support and they can help you

[drowsy plaza]

It’s called sponsored content, look it up on Google epic has a website for it

Don’t put a big seller in there though, it takes years to start making money from a free for the month product again

[desert panther]

It feels like either you need to think of it as charity, or if you have multiple products, hope that it increases the visibility (and thus, sales) of your other products

[warm knot]

Didn't Epic used to pay sellers for sponsored free for the month content?

[hollow basin]

I believe they still do and it's a flat fee but if you were making money from it before it was free, you won't anymore for quite awhile

[warm knot]

Oh, that makes sense. I'll make a bicycle asset so that everyone can ride it for free. Maybe I'll call it "Your Mom" just for a good laugh.

I should put a fish on that bike, too.

[undone valve]

Yeah. Thats suspicious

[quasi stone]

I came across a rather peculiar listing, somehow this got 21 five-star ratings in 1 day. There's no way, right?
https://www.fab.com/listings/7968d39a-8d8c-4239-a7a3-030730e41a14

Are there any consequences for manipulating reviews, or is Fab just going to be a clown show?

[untold bay]

my guess is this was migrated from marketplace where it had a bunch ofreviews
which it probably had due to being free for a month at some point

[quasi stone]

this was released yesterday

[untold bay]

possible it was only migrated to fab yesterday. that said i'm just speculating how this could have happened legitimately and have no evidence of it

[hollow basin]

It also seems that this was his only product that is as highly reviewed so he has no pattern of forging reviews. And the product looks genuine

[desert panther]

I was wondering how you could even forge those without paying the price of the product to everyone writing a review and that isn't cheap for a review... but I suppose you could temporarily switch the price of your product to 0, get the reviews in, then switch it back

[hollow basin]

I think you can ask fab to send you product keys. Just request 20 of them and bam free reviews. You will most likely get flagged for this but it will probably work until it's caught

[quasi stone]

I guess, since you can give a rating to something free, maybe they are changing it to free, putting the reviews in and putting it back with the price

[desert panther]

Ah good point, I guess that would also do

[quasi stone]

the reviews are suddently dropping! hahaha

[desert panther]

It's certainly interesting that a product like that would get 17 reviews in a day 🤔 You'd have to either have a list of customers ready to buy or be really good at marketing

[quasi stone]

how did 5 reviews vanish?

[quasi stone]

its at 16 now

[desert panther]

lol

that's even more peculiar

[quasi stone]

someone is cleaning this up it seems, maybe he is deleting the reviews

hi there, cheater

[desert panther]

Can you un-review a product anyway?

[quasi stone]

good point, let me see

It seems like not, I dont know then

maybe there's a way ? no idea

13 now btw lol, hopefully they put something in place for this to not happen

[desert panther]

The author of that product is on this discord I think but I wouldn't condemn them at this point, could be just Fab itself screwed something up too 🤔

[hollow basin]

Yeah that's strange. Like I said before, pretty easy to do until it's flagged and removed

[vital island]

Be Ready lads

[vale prawn]

Actual post for those interested.

I especially like how they keep pushing the "EpicSkeleton" tag, while not once having defined whether it's the UE4 or UE5 skeleton.

Just that being a seller-tag is absurd: they should have it automatically filled in the technical details based on automated checks run on assets

[cursive chasm]

It's april and still no sale. 😠

[drowsy plaza]

It’s coming

Event sales might slow down after this month though since sellers will be able to do sales at any point, so fab will likely have sales going on all the time

[warm knot]

He has only 5 reviews now. Real weird.

[desert panther]

Okay I give in - @hollow cloak any idea what's going on with your 100 shields product's reviews? lol

I'm just getting too curious about this at this point lol

[deft hill]

Anyone else been unable to install older UE marketplace content, even if it's showing up in your UE library on the launcher? I've got a couple of things stuck at Initializing, like so:

[untold bay]

restarting EGL can sometimes fix this

[deft hill]

Tried again just to make sure, but no luck. I'm a little worried because it doesn't show up in my library on fab.com at all.

[untold bay]

yeah it won't show up there, EGL only

[deft hill]

It'll be a huge bummer if I can't find those somewhere. I use the meshes and sounds for a lot of little projects.

[quasi stone]

The reviews on his other products are gone now. I wonder if deleting the accounts also deletes the reviews, maybe that’s what he did to get rid of them

[desert panther]

rip. yeah I noticed there were two other products with 7 and 10 reviews I think, and yeah looks like they're gone

[deft hill]

HUZZAH. Going to put this in the time capsule for any future searchers:

I found Military Weapons Dark & Military Weapons Silver via this Reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MizzoFrizzo_Tutorials/comments/1gjwac1/anybody_have_the_files_to_the_military_weapons/

[spiral jacinth]

You can try my Asset Manager Studio, I know it still downloads fine from both Fab and the older Unreal Marketplace... 😉

[polar crater]

Hello, can someone tell me what this means? "⚠️ Not available for use within Unreal Engine." I have been on the forms and can't find any answers. It is a free texture with standard license, and not the only item that shows this. I am using Unreal 5.5 with Fab plugin. It does not show this warning on Fab website just the plugin and these items are compatible with 5.5. I see this warning on most items that are free or Megascans. Is it safe to use these items in a commercial project that will be for sale? I also assumed it was okay? If so what is this warning about? Thanks in advance 🙂

[drowsy plaza]

Could be the file format, unreal doesn’t use gltf I think. You need to upload a project with uassets if you want them to be for unreal

[warm knot]

Last I checked, you have to download the gltf and manually import it into Unreal.

[tawny hinge]

weird, since UE supports gltf support afaik (and iirc i've accidently downloaded pure texture based packs before through Fab in UE)

[polar crater]

Thanks for the responses. I can still add them to my project directly from the Fab plugin so I just don't understand what this warning is about. They seem to work just fine and don't impact my project in any negative way that I can tell. I assume as long as they have the standard license they are still safe to use for commercial purposes right? Thanks everyone 🙂

[desert panther]

Yes that should be fine. I think that warning just means that they aren't packaged directly as a UE asset thing

So you need to run through the import process for them yourself

[warm knot]

^Yeah,

It won't give that error if the asset is a UE project.

And it doesn't seem like that one is

[polar crater]

@desert panther Thank you.

[polar crater]

thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. 🙂

[dim pawn]

browsing the fab quixel assets, it says "saved in my library" as I got/used it before the switch to fab, but I goto my library and it isnt there. no option to add to my library, just view

[narrow wave]

Isn't the first entry in "my library" a link to all the quixel assets?

[dim pawn]

Huh, didnt see that

aaand fab crashed.

is there a way to make the thumbnails larger?

[dim pawn]

trying to check Fab Settings, and it just crashes the editor

not just the fab window, but the whole editor.

[dim pawn]

And just noticed that the materials I want to use a) dont have heightmap data, and B) says "Not available for use within Unreal Engine"

[drowsy plaza]

I saw a product get comments added to it and actually used today, maybe the more products add them the more customers will check them out

Two products actually, I hope users start using the comments feature more

[jolly osprey]

ya know, for being such a staple of dark fantasy creature design, and 'dark fantasy' being such a popular genre for assets, there are remarkably few 'body made of bodies' type creatures on the market

[untold bay]

sounds like market opportunity

[jolly osprey]

yeah, if I have to make a few of my own, might as well try my luck

[warm knot]

Just make sure that you name it as Unique Creatures Pack. That'll definitely sell.

[quasi ether]

So FAB officially sucks.

1. My question to them:
   I'm wondering HOW do I know the content of user reviews? How do I understand what they don't like?? Imagine if my product got 10 bad new reviews, HOW do I read them?

2. Their response:
   2.1 At this moment this is the only information on rating we can provide, however, we are currently in the process of revamping our review system.

3. As previously mentioned, we are currently in the process of revamping our review system, however, we recommend creating a Forum post of your products in order to get feedback. We've attached an image as a guide to show you how to create this.

TLDR: Epic and FAB is a joke.

[chilly bluff]

What is the link to the fab model you are trying to import?

[desert panther]

You'll just have to wait for Epic to add proper reviews. They added the ability to have a comment thread on the forums for time being, which you probably should enable if you haven't

[cedar bone]

u can now choose to create automatic forum thread for each asset to get feedback

[desert panther]

Yeah frankly these "omg epic suxxorz" posts are pretty old and tired. It's like... are you 15? Posting salty comments here doesn't help the problems get fixed at all.

[drowsy plaza]

You posted this exact same thing in the forums

[quasi ether]

awareness never hurts anyone

maybe someone will take over FAB at some point

they are super slow (cause Epic is enterprise), nice opportunity for a small business I think

what do you think?

[hollow basin]

They have tried and it's not good. Look at unreal / assetstore by lucid drive. It's a legitimate store that some creators opted into. Only problem is they have less than 100 assets to buy. Orbital marketplace is the most successful custom marketplace but it's still built on top of what Fab team made

[quasi ether]

Yeah, Orbital is an aggregator though, doesn't distribute binaries or sells them

Thanks for bringing lucid drive, I think I saw them long long time ago but I guess they really never found their niche

[fossil dune]

For what its worth i've started distributing on Gumroad too... It's making half the sales that occur on Fab. That's with a month or 2 of marketing. To me that's significant. But at the same time, i won't just be tying myself to Gumroad and/or Fab.

Unreal Marketplace used to NOT have a competitor for me.. But FAB is... meh for sales.. i wish i added Gumroad versions as soon as FAB launched... Sometimes in my sleep i get gumroad "Ka-Ching" notifications... Some from discover(Discover takes 30%, i don't mind).... most from self promo (10% cut)

Just want to see if the revenue will match FAB if i take it seriously, even if they do, i won't be just sticking to those 2 platforms... Both are unstable in their own ways.. but sticking to 1 is not the right thing for me right now...

[quasi ether]

You now have full analytics and user emails, which is great, you can talk to businesses and figure out what is their real pain point!

[fossil dune]

Yeah it has (in my opinion) 10x more tools than Fab.

1. You get buyer emails. (Compared to Fab you get nothing, all anonymous)
2. You can market to those emails for free (Compared to MailChimp, starting at $20/month for 500 Emails)( yeah...no).
3. Its 10% of the sale(Compared to 12% from Fab).
   4.Payout from sale is quicker(Min 1 week , Max 2 weeks, Compared to Fab which is 4Weeks+, Paypal is instant)
4. Seller initiated Discounts/codes(not available on fab).
   6.Instant publishing of bug fixes and feature(no need to wait for Fab staff to approve)
5. An API to check buyer assets/purchases and licenses( probably will never exist in fab)
6. And more...
   9.Analytics as you said.
7. Direct payout to Multiple Banks in the world( Compared to Fab with just Paypal or US Direct Deposit).
8. The list goes on.

The only thing Unreal Marketplace had was that you were in the "Unreal Engine" Territory. With Fab, its like you're in the Everything Territory, they both sell everything but Gumroad has better tools, rates and everything.
Also the only other thing Fab has is you can use epic launcher(Or Fab Plugin?) to install assets but its meh, a lot of people want direct download links, which gumroad has... non of that "install 10 year old engine" first

[cedar bone]

i think u dont know what u are talking about
no one will take over FAB, its epic website
its not going anywhere, to anyone
awareness never hurts right?

[tame compass]

wanna ask do i have to retag every single asset because upcoming changes ?

should i postpone my upcoming asset ?

[undone parrot]

Has anyone used this plugin for creating AOVs and can comment?
https://www.fab.com/listings/18063eb0-d3d7-4db8-b776-3a584b139efb

[ebon leaf]

are all my wishlist items from the old marketplace gone now with this new fab?

[untold bay]

if you email fab support they will send you a copy of your old wishlist as PDF

[ebon leaf]

oh thats nice.

thank you

[drowsy plaza]

I was talking to grok about semantic search and from what it described it could help drastically with fabs search if done right

[tame compass]

whqt do i do after they roll out the update ?

[desert panther]

What upcoming changes are you referring to?

[green seal]

Yeah this is the second time you’ve mentioned this in a day, what update are you talking about?

[tame compass]

upcoming changed about fab tag updates

is it automatic or do i have to edit one by one

[desert panther]

Do you have a link to a better description of it? If they are adding new tags or something, then yes you probably would have to manually update your products to include those tags

[calm yoke]

Hey @tame compass 🙂

Products within categories being replaced or moved to new/different ones will automatically get transferred under those categories.

Some tags are being added automatically based on outlined rules, which can be found in the forum announcement post.
The tags that will need to be added manually to applicable products are also outlined in this announcement post, such as;

• AnimationBlueprint
• Blueprint
• ControlRig
• EpicSkeleton
• EditorUtilities
• PCG
• Script
• Niagara
• Lumen
• Metasounds
• Nanite
• UMG
• Level
  **I hope this helps! **

[tame compass]

thanks

[prisma gate]

Hi. just a common question, but if i would just buy a plugin on fab that is partly made with c++, would it be common to have the source code so i can change the plugin?

[vale prawn]

Any plugin on Fab will have all of its Unreal-related source code available. However, the plugin may have dependencies to external code (non-Unreal stuff, e.g., third party library) for which source isn't available. But the majority of the time, this is done with very explicit third party dependencies.

[prisma gate]

Yeah i was like it can't even be elsewise.. Just was curious still how the plugin concept forces it to be open source 🙂

[drowsy plaza]

Not necessarily, fab allows you to use code from the web through http requests which I am doing with some of my new plugins. A analytics plugin I have does most things through http requests as well

So you can build the functionality in the cloud then just call requests locally if you want it to be closed source kinda

[spiral jacinth]

Having the source is very useful for those that are not using Unreal on windows. Several plugins I've actually used, I've sent patches back to the authors because they never tested on Linux and most the time the issues are very minor changes, but w/o the source they would be worthless on linux (or Mac).... The only plugin that I'm aware of that actually uses compiled support libraries is Meta's VR/Quest plugin, which because it does not have a linux version (or mac afaik) of the compiled support libraries -- It cannot be used on anything but windows...

[mental locust]

Stupid thing randomly stopped accepting my money. "Payment via Bank card is currently unavailable" are they experiencing an outage or something?

Anyone else experiencing this rn?

[stray lava]

That's actually not a bad idea, might have to look into that

[echo egret]

Still no news about next "big" sale happening anytime soon yet, right?

[stray lava]

haven't heard anything

[hollow cloak]

To the person that snitched: not sure what you gained, but we definitely learned something.👍

[untold bay]

who snitched about what?

[desert panther]

Padiamoon had fake reviews on his products

I guess that message counts as admitting that's what they were

[dire meteor]

Should get you removed from Fab tbh

[desert panther]

He had like 20 or so on one product, 7 and 10 I think on two others. The one which had 20 is on five now, others have none. Hard to say if it was Epic that removed them or what happened

[torpid heath]

fab is not compatible with unreal 5.0 , then how i can import assets in 5.0 which is uploaded in fab

[hollow cloak]

Padiamoon had fake reviews on his products
@desert panther not fake for your info

[desert panther]

What was it then?

I honestly don't care what you do with it but it was just a weird thing to see the reviews go down lol

[hollow cloak]

When you have a small community that enjoy your products it's not hard to get good rating not to mention i ensure that all of my assets are top quality but honestly idek myself how it got that rating 😅

[tawny hinge]

you can kind of hack the meta stuff to not depend on the ovr plugin stuff, but you loose all editor functionality

but at least you can do some dev for the Quest on Linux then (for native i found it a good enough workaround, still a shame that they don't provide the ovr stuff for linux)

i kind of doubt that there's market to sell 20 licenses of a $100 package, which only contains shields, within 5 days...

or i'm totally underestimating the gold rush on Fab

[hollow cloak]

Not sure why everyone is taking interest in this, it's only rating they dont even have reviews like the old unreal marketplace

[untold bay]

If the ratings are real, sellers are interested in how someone got so many
If the ratings are fake, both buyers and sellers are invested in seeing them removed to uphold the integrity of the marketplace

I have ~100 sales and got exactly one review, which I personally requested from someone who received support, and which then evaporated in the Fab transition

20 ratings suggests either ~2000 sales, which is amazing, or a process for encouraging ratings, which would also be amazing

I would love feedback on my product, positive or negative. Positive feedback will improve sales, and negative feedback will help me improve. Instead a common experience is radio silence

[spiral jacinth]

Yeah, I've done it -- but thanks for bringing it up as I'm sure others aren't aware you can. Since the critical piece is the android library which is the same no matter the host platform. Bascially if you configure the plugin on Windows (i.e. which it saves in an ini file) and copy those over to your host platform you are pretty much good to go. But I figured I would give a solid example of a plugin that breaks because of the ability that epic allows dependencies to be pre-compiled in some cases...

[undone valve]

I have your product on my wishlist already I just noticed. Only thing I would improve is to have a image for your profile so it looks more professional.

[daring bridge]

weird scam, make sure you ignore it

(the link is to one of my in-engine screenshots)

[dim fable]

Artstation has been overrun with these NFT scammers for months, now Fab, forums seem to be completely unmoderated, the fuck is Epic doing

[daring bridge]

I dunno. they told me the tax form tool was fixed and it's still broken in exactly the same way

I'm headed for a second account shutdown

I've been sitting on assets and updates for years that I want to release

it's race to see who can be slacker, me or epic

[vital island]

My fav scammer btw

[drowsy plaza]

You found Gavin, his friend has been searching for him since 1890

[fading swallow]

i was very confused cos they sent me this on april fools
thought it was some fun prank, but no actually just some scammer 🤣

[hollow basin]

And here I was thinking I was special for the amazing art I post on fab, but then slowly realizing I don't post art on fab because I am a programmer

[drowsy plaza]

I asked if there was a ETA on when fab will tell sellers how many free items got redeemed and this was their response. I don’t understand why free items don’t show up in reports, surely it’s a simple thing to track and already are doing for internal tooling

[winter hollow]

is it just me or now prices for plugins on fab significantly higher than on before marketplace?
several plugins i had bookmarked were 10/15 eur, now they're listed for 60 and few other now in over 100 range

[green seal]

Prices are seller driven, I think more and more devs are deciding their work is worth whatever they are charging. Could also be a way to mitigate a reduction in sales due to people boycotting fab (albeit not the best strategy)

[desert panther]

Frankly I think the whole fab boycott is nonsense and a loud minority

[green seal]

I just mean people compensating for a reduction in their sales for whatever the reason

[green seal]

Asked a dev I know internally about this just now. Can give you an update when I hear back ☺️

[winter hollow]

i don't even see the sales stats as free plugins sales no longer tracked on fab lol

[drowsy plaza]

Yes please do, thank you

[drowsy plaza]

That’s really dumb business wise, if you have trouble selling at 15-20 dollars then you will almost certainly sell nothing at 100 for the same product

[drowsy plaza]

I have not noticed a drop in sales from it, people on the forums and Reddit just like to complain from what I can tell, if you pay attention it’s the same 10 people making 90% of the posts

Like if you don’t like fab then stop selling here, go make a game or sell a course or something. Selling assets isn’t the only way to make money as a gamedev

[green seal]

Oh i agree

[drowsy plaza]

Hey could you ask your insider at epic if they plan to incentivize use of semantic search through prompt hints like “try searching for open world fps game templates” when it’s released? I’m worried that people won’t know how to use semantic search

[hasty kraken]

Spring sales still not there?

[drowsy plaza]

We can’t disclose when it is but if you look at a calendar you can safely guess when it will be

[green seal]

Its easter holiday starting tomorrow, people are on vacation already, bad time to have a sale going haha

Heck most of Norway has pretty much been not working since Friday last week 😂

[hasty kraken]

Yeah I am away in mountains

1mb connection

Lol

[drowsy plaza]

How are people making fab third party tools, did epic release documentation in their api? I thought that was closed off

[untold bay]

what's an example of one?

[desert panther]

I suspect it's just reverse engineered

[hollow basin]

He might be talking about sites like Orbital marketplace?

[untold bay]

yeah pretty sure orbital is just doing ordinary scraping. you can confirm via their github repo

[drowsy plaza]

That one and some guy here also made a asset installer app for fab

I’ve also seen people make wishlist plugins for chrome

[vale prawn]

I used to run a Twitter bot (now Discord bot) for Fab, and if you're just reading public information, it's fairly trivial, the API isn't documented but it's very basic and easy to figure out from Fab itself. If you need auth or write access, this gets trickier. Asset Manager Studio probably is the most advanced at doing that, but I think it's just auth + read API requests, which you can reverse engineer by browsing Fab in the first place.

[spiral jacinth]

I reverse engineered all the API calls, in fact AMS can also (if I enabled it) d/l games (See that Games tab... 😁 ) -- it technically could actually be a complete replacement for the Epic Launcher if I wanted it to, but I'm more interested in the Asset side of things for Unreal rather than the Epic Game store... So that code path is disabled to eliminate support issues I don't need. 😉 I have a couple of other tabs (& features) I'm still working on finishing up that are also currently hidden in AMS ... 😉

[drowsy plaza]

How did you reverse engineer the api?

The epic games launcher provides a exchange code for games when they launch that is used to login and authenticate users, I don’t think you would be able to do this in your launcher since epic told me it’s protected when I asked how to do it in unreal editor

[spiral jacinth]

Well, I basically watched and logged all the traffic multiple times (& any time they break something) and then based on that was able to determine each api call the launcher does and what parameters it need. I also watched any browser traffic to FAB to get other API's that the Epic Launcher doesn't use. So while Unreal Marketplace was around, AMS could easily d/l all Q&A for any asset you owned (Still an option in AMS). Now, I pull all the asset details from the FAB web api because it is more detailed than the private api's data. 😉

As for the Exchange Code, if it is actually the "ExchangeCode" value, I already have the API's to get it because Downloading assets (& games) requires it, but if it is the Entitlements API, I know how to call it, but haven't bothered coding any thing for it because it isn't needed for anything Unreal related...

[drowsy plaza]

Are you guys seeing free items appear in your sales reports now? My two free stuff showed up today

[green seal]

Hah really??

[fossil summit]

Hi Fab people

Released a new product but it's link is broken:
https://www.fab.com/listings/b6c32012-0c09-41dc-815f-703e98f0ecf0

It has lost it's chance for selling anything at launch.
Can you please fix it before it's burried?

Thanks in advance.

[dire meteor]

Do fab people actually lurk here?

[jaunty dagger]

A few ue staff have responded in this channel about fab stuff

Won't let me copy the message but it was about categories was the most recent one

[dire meteor]

Still think it's better to email customer support, though.

[jaunty dagger]

Agreed

[vale prawn]

Nothing here

[untold bay]

very strange. it shows up on your seller page but then the link doesn't work 😦

[drowsy plaza]

yeah, it showed 1 unit for each was redeemed yesterday

I have 2 free products, I recently switched them to free since they were really cheap and barely sold anything but I think they are useful

[warm knot]

Programming is an art. 🙏

[hollow basin]

It is, but let's be honest it would be an awful NFT 😂

[warm knot]

Oh, I'm sure somebody out there appreciates looking at code. In more ways than one. 😏

[rugged wren]

lol, I got the same e-mail.. for an asset only containing code

[drowsy plaza]

https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/loci-is-now-a-part-of-epic-games?sessionInvalidated=true

This acquisition is a good thing, copyright models can now be tracked through AI, hopefully it doesn’t make false positives though

[drowsy plaza]

Robert Wagner is a entrepreneur alpha male, he wakes up at 2am every morning and starts working

[dire meteor]

He doesn't even wake up before he goes to sleep?

What a noob.

[warm knot]

Yeah, man, you're supposed to get a negative amount of sleep.

[daring bridge]

I have nightmares does that count

[warm knot]

No, because Chuck Norris doesn't have nightmares.

[dire meteor]

Chuck Norris doesn't even sleep, he changes the universe around him when he lays down.

[echo egret]

@fossil summit Hey, sorry for the ping but I take my chance right here for asking... which location has inspired and given you material for the White Sands Landscape!?? Would be nice to always have that kinda info when it comes to landscapes and environments {this suggestion extends to any environment creator out there} specially like that... what prevents me from buying this kinda assets is often that lack of detail when not my constantly low budget {which, of course, is a whole different story 😅 }.