#virtual-reality | Unreal Source | Page 174

jaunty shell Apr 16, 2018, 7:14 AM

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We're receiving a Dell Visor today for testing purposes

jaunty shell Apr 16, 2018, 7:29 AM

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speaking of the devil

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📎 20180416_092631.jpg

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 7:48 AM

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just play it and test everything

jaunty shell Apr 16, 2018, 7:55 AM

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aight

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steamVR apps are supposed to be almost fully compatible out of the box right ?

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 8:02 AM

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yeah

jaunty shell Apr 16, 2018, 8:06 AM

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shit pc needs the fall creators update T_T need to ask the IT to unlock windows update

carmine root Apr 16, 2018, 10:16 AM

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I have a VR project ready... that is show on the computer´s monitor also. I want that if one removes the oculus from his head that the VR scene does not stop. I should not pause. Anyone know how that could work?

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 12:36 PM

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    Added ability to force disable auto loading splash screen on load.  This fixes the black HMD screen that appears in levels that did not manually turn off the loading movie in their level scripts

Change 3286888 by Nick.Whiting

    Disabling haptics when you begin changing levels ```

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niiiiiiiiiice

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Odin merge into master

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and tons of improvements with nativization

tired tree Apr 16, 2018, 12:37 PM

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oh? wonder if they finally fixed blueprintnativeevents

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for nativization

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mmm, nice, they are starting work on modding again, guess since fortnite is gettingit

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 12:49 PM

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@tired tree they did fix blueprint native events

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or at least, they have code about that

tired tree Apr 16, 2018, 12:50 PM

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nah, i saw that, they were changing default type to native when a BP declared one

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didn't have to do with generating default empty virtual implementations when nativizing

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which is why it errors out

dusky moon Apr 16, 2018, 1:48 PM

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I just tried my project with Vive+SteamVR using 4.19 and seems like It doesn't let me turn on Dynamic Resolution ... is it supported ?! It works perfectly fine with oculus

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I run the command and nothing happens (Dynares : Disabled)

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ok nvm, it doesn't support yet : /

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 2:13 PM

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Isn't it lovely when Oculus (and also Steam etc.) think it's a great idea to put tons of stuff private

tired tree Apr 16, 2018, 2:24 PM

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In the subsystems? For steam at least that is all Epics doing

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same with the VR plugin

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 2:29 PM

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@neon egret there is a C++ witchcraft trick

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to access private members

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 2:30 PM

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I know, but not everything

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I can't access the OculusSubsystem directly

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 2:30 PM

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with some template metabullshit

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you sure?

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cant you get the subsystem pointer and cast it ?

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 2:30 PM

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I googled a bit and only thing I found was "We only allow IOnlineSubsystem"

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And the cast doesn't work

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 2:30 PM

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even if its an ugly C-cast?

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of static_cast

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dynamic_cast doesnt work on ue4

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 2:47 PM

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Haven't tried

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@wicked oak FOnlineSubsystemOculus* OculusSubsystem = static_cast<FOnlineSubsystemOculus*>(Online::GetSubsystem(GetWorld(), OCULUS_SUBSYSTEM));

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Like this?

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 2:56 PM

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FOnlineSubsystemOculus implements the interface, no? In that case it could work

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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It does actually compile, forgot the *

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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keep in mind static_cast has NO safety whatsoever

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Means?

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I can't tell if that worked?

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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if the pointer is bad it wont error or be nullpointer

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if the cast is invalid, it will still work, but the data will be corrupt

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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so if(OculusSubsystem) won't work?

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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its not like unreal Cast<>, wich is nullpointer if its invalid

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yup

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you wont know if its actually good or not

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Well there needs to be save way of casting that thing -_-

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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well, if you are sure that you can cast it..

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check nullpointer first

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and then cast

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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FOnlineSubsystemOculus : public FOnlineSubsystemImpl
FOnlineSubsystemImpl : public IOnlineSubsystem

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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static_cast is basically a C cast

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it does absolutely zero logic

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in that case it should work just fine

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 2:59 PM

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Let's test it then

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Cause listening to the message queue of oculus doesn't work

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The Subsystem pops the message before I can

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gg

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 2:59 PM

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let me read about it, might not work in that case

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dammit c++ and its weird shit

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dynamic_cast is the best, as its checked properly

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but its disabled in ue4

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http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/static_cast

static cast

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why c++ so complex dammit

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im not sure if static_cast will work well with things that have virtuals

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static_cast can also cast through inheritance hierarchies. It is unnecessary when casting upwards (towards a base class), but when casting downwards it can be used as long as it doesn't cast through virtual inheritance. It does not do checking, however, and it is undefined behavior to static_cast down a hierarchy to a type that isn't actually the type of the object.```

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rip

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Will see

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 3:04 PM

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you should try reinterpret cast too

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becouse that one is the "pure" cast

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absolutely ZERO logic

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just type change

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Seems to work so far

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 3:18 PM

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check it seriously

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Now to understand how to get the OculusID from the message

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 3:18 PM

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this stuff is evil

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 3:18 PM

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I'm checking it :x

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 3:18 PM

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make sure virtuals work well, for example

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 3:18 PM

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I only need one single function from it

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That's all

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 3:18 PM

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prime candidate to get fukd

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is it a virtual?

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 3:19 PM

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No

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 3:19 PM

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or does it eventually call virtuals?

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 3:19 PM

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No it does only enter a delegate into a tmap

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That's all

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FOculusMulticastMessageOnCompleteDelegate& GetNotifDelegate(ovrMessageType MessageType);

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That FindOrAdds an entry to the TMap that holds these delegates

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Which is used to call functions based on the MessageType

mighty carbon Apr 16, 2018, 3:23 PM

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@neon egret did you already look here by chance https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/platform/latest/concepts/pgsg-unreal-gsg/ ?

Unreal Development Getting Started

The Unreal getting started guide will walk you through the basics of setting up your
development environment and checking the user's entitlement.

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 3:23 PM

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Yes

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It's not covered

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I need to get the "InviteReceived" message

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And they don't have that in the Subsystem

mighty carbon Apr 16, 2018, 3:25 PM

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also https://developer.oculus.com/reference/platform/1.24/

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not everything from Platform SDK is in UE4 unfortunately

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 3:25 PM

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https://puu.sh/A4oyw/7f0a99961e.png

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I already read their SubsystemInterface

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I can't find it anywhere

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It's defined but never actually bound to anything

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But I get the Invite now

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Only problem is I don't yet know how to get the UserID from it

mighty carbon Apr 16, 2018, 3:30 PM

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https://developer.oculus.com/downloads/package/oculus-platform-sdk/ << there are samples for UE4

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(covering platform SDK features specifically)

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1.24

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Hm yeah

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Was able to grab the RoomID

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Wondering if I can grab the UserId at all

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Cause that handle seems to be null in an invite

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Weirdly enough

tired tree Apr 16, 2018, 4:03 PM

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this new bug report form is stupid....

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@sturdy coral did you already report them forgetting to port VOIPTalker to steam yet?

neon egret Apr 16, 2018, 4:06 PM

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I thought VOIPTalker was just an addition to the default VOIP

tired tree Apr 16, 2018, 4:07 PM

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Steam overrides the function that they implement it in

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in VoiceEngine

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and they never ported the implementation steam

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pfft, nvm

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different online subsystems: UVoipTalker is only supported with Unreal's native VOIP support, which is used in the Null and the MCP subsystems.

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they know about it, just never mentioned it in anything outside of a forum post

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would have thought that Steam would have been a priority for that functionality...

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 4:28 PM

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?

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Why

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Does Fortnite need it?

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No?

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k

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(anything Steam related)

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Even though ~95% of their clients use it as their platform

mighty carbon Apr 16, 2018, 4:55 PM

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I read somewhere that 95% of Epic devs are engaged into Fortnite dev..

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 5:02 PM

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wouldnt be surprised one second

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fortnite is bringing the most money anything epic has ever brought

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they want to improve it very fast to keep it as the ultimate battle royale game

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and maybe try to do something to keep players engaged for a long time

mighty carbon Apr 16, 2018, 5:21 PM

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right.. that doesn't help deeper VR integration and further development/optimization for forward renderer IMO

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https://issues.unrealengine.com/issue/search?q=fix%3A4.19.2&resolution=&component=&sort=votes

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upcoming 4.19.2 fixes

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 5:47 PM

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@mighty carbon it does improve forward render

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at least mobile forward or desktop simpleforward

mighty carbon Apr 16, 2018, 6:09 PM

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I think Fortnite uses deferred ES 3.1 on Android and Metal on iOS

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(or Vulkan on Android; but that's not related to VR yet)

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@wicked oak ^^

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btw, has anyone heard any recent rumors about XB1X getting VR support soon ?

dusky moon Apr 16, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Golden age of VR integration was last year with Robo Recall... it's now almost dead and epic doesn't give single fck to it sadly

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 8:55 PM

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I think lots of fortnite stuff will feed into VR; making it runnable on mobile took so many optimizations that that will only help

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lots of work on improving async loading too

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 8:56 PM

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fortnite would be a good reason for epic to spend time on dynamic GI

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or just general shadow performance improvements

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anything with performance and dynamic lighting

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fortnite is like the first game epic did (in recent years) where they actually need dynamic lighting

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 8:57 PM

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it runs on so many platforms and hardware variations that I think overall stability is going to go way up

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I'm sure baked lighting features are going to start seeing some rot though

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where they don't test things as thoroughly there anymore (in the past that benefited from paragon)

mighty carbon Apr 16, 2018, 8:58 PM

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I don't see how rendering stuff from Fortnite will feed into VR

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 8:58 PM

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they do like archviz though

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 8:59 PM

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@mighty carbon I've seen lots of complaints about async loading in VR making things choppy

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but I haven't ever messed with it much

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from the GDC talk they did a lot of improvements there

mighty carbon Apr 16, 2018, 8:59 PM

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yeah, but it's not rendering per se and it's not related to forward renderer

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 9:00 PM

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temporal upsampling and dynamic res directly came from fortnite concerns

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most likely (for 4K on the pro consoles)

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 9:48 PM

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But dynares doesn't work in VR?

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@sturdy coral

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Or else I would be setting it to 11ms all day and calling my job done

wicked oak Apr 16, 2018, 10:06 PM

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@granite jacinth it does

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With a source code edit, it works on PSVR perfect

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the new system is integrated with the older Oculus system, so on oculus it also works great (tho, no temporal supersample, only normal taa)

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and on vive, you can tweak source to add support without too much effort

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 10:30 PM

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with a source code edit

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k, like I said

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Anything that requires a source code edit does not work

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 10:39 PM

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lol? what a stupid way to think about things

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being able to have the source of UE4 and edit it is like 80% of what makes UE4 great

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 10:55 PM

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?

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So, if you buy a car and it's missing a steering wheel, but the blueprints for making and installing a steering wheel are online, you would be okay with that?

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Because that's basically what you're stating here

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That my logical way of thinking is stupid

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That people should be grateful that Epic gives up an engine full of bugs and half-implemented shit

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Because we can jump in there and fix it.

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k

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 10:58 PM

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For voice chat it is most likely going to be just a bunch of copy paste from null subsystem to steam

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I had it working before 4.19 and there was a bunch of duplication that couldn't be avoided without refacforing

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:02 PM

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@sturdy coral You already working on getting it setup in 4.19?

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:03 PM

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Not yet, gonna wait and see if someone else does until I have a big need

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:04 PM

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haha, same. was gonna ask you for help with it if wasn't fixed in 19.2

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:07 PM

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But it's fixed

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Because it works

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Because of source

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🤦

mighty carbon Apr 16, 2018, 11:16 PM

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tell me about it 🙄

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reminds me a bit of FOSS scene

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:19 PM

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@granite jacinth a car is different, because if you buy a car that doesnt mean you know how to build a car

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but if youre a programmer, doing things with UE4, youre already a programmer. so you can also modify UE4

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:19 PM

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Sigh

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You are so wrong though

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:20 PM

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I'm fine if an artist says "having to edit source means its broken"

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but youre a programmer primarly at the moment I think

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:20 PM

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Doesn't matter

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Did you not read what I said?

mighty carbon Apr 16, 2018, 11:20 PM

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well, I am mechanical engineer.. Should I be ok with buying a car that has missing parts?

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:20 PM

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It's not a matter if we CAN or CANNOT fix something

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Is it broken, yes or no?

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Yes

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Enough said.

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:21 PM

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With this though you expect it to reasonably work as advertised, because a huge majority of people using this will be using it with a sub system.

mighty carbon Apr 16, 2018, 11:22 PM

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I feel like Epic made UE4 free upfront so that they could always use it as defense for missing/broken features..

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:22 PM

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Aye, I am so glad that every programmer but me has ALL THE TIME in the world to unfuck their shit

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:22 PM

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Source edits should be for making non stock features, like if you were upgrading a car

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:22 PM

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a game engine is just never perfect for whatever game you want to make using it. so its always super nice to be able to modify some things to better fit your needs

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:23 PM

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Dude

mighty carbon Apr 16, 2018, 11:23 PM

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"You are getting Ferrari for free right now. It doesn't work well, but when you fix it youself, it will. And then you pay us!"

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:23 PM

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I don't think you are understanding a bit of what we're saying

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I thought the car example was a simple one

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:24 PM

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theres no software in the world that does everything perfectly

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:24 PM

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You are essentially putting it together the missing pieces

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Which is what you're saying that needs to be done with anything broken in the engine with the source build

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:25 PM

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I'm not even talking about things that are "broken" in the engine, I do mostly talk about missing features

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:25 PM

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but it's not missing?

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It's actually broken?

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Or even so, missing ==broken

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:25 PM

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missing != broken

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:25 PM

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Does in anyone's book

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:26 PM

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(missing && YouCanAdd) == PERFECT

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:26 PM

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If I am missing a bolt on my bike's wheel

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and the wheel falls off

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I would say my bike is broken

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because of the stupid missing bolt

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:26 PM

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because software development is different

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:26 PM

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I would need to then repair it

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I don't understand your logic 😭

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You are basically giving Epic a free pass

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For practically everything

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Because we can edit source

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That's your only reasoning here

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:27 PM

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its not normal that a bike is missing something thats needed. but every software is missing 99% of the things everyone wants to have if you would ask everyone about all possible features that they would like to see

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:28 PM

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The bike's just a simple example though lol

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It's alright

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:28 PM

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it is basically partially there, much more so than if you had to code it from scratch

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:28 PM

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I'm not giving epic a free pass, I often enough am very critical of stuff

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:28 PM

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We'll just agree to disagree here

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:28 PM

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but not fully there

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:29 PM

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yeah

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if the engine is written in a way that adding a new feature is only 5% of the work it would be if you wrote an engine froms scratch, then the engine is still really good because its doing 95% of your work

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:30 PM

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But you are still doing their work for them...

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:30 PM

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Well missing is a lot different then broken. Here voip talker basically is useless without steam support because you only need it in multiplayer games. Scroll boxes in Widgets are broken, but just in VR. What you did is change a bunch of stuff in the engine so it runs how you wan't, not sure how much fixing of broken code you had to do though

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:30 PM

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Do you like to do another programmer's work for them because they failed?

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Do you like going into another's programmer code to fix up some bugs?

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:31 PM

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@glossy agate I'm using scroll boxes in my game in VR, in 4.15 they worked great. when did they break?

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:31 PM

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Been broken for me in 4.17-.19

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:32 PM

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@granite jacinth they didn't fail though just because they haven't yet added a feature

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:32 PM

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Ah, they half-ass implemented something

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My mistake

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:32 PM

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I'd rather they added it partially working than not adding it all

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though in this case I had already implemented it and all they did is break it for me 😛

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when I merged over I dropped all my stuff and moved to it

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they should have put in the release notes that it didn't work on steam

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:33 PM

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Yeah, we have to go back to our old channel voip. Glad we just unhooked it instead of deleting it all haha

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:33 PM

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for the 95% of users that

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Use Steam as their Platform

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:33 PM

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I didn't even talk about any VOIP stuff, I thought this was primarly about dynamic res only being available on some platforms

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:34 PM

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We were talking about everything

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:34 PM

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what originally started this topic

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:34 PM

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it wasn't just one thing

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:34 PM

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I think there is some element that they are playing a PR game against unity in the release notes sometimes instead of just telling us what all changed

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:34 PM

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and dyna res doesn't work in VR without a source edit

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So...it's broken

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:34 PM

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same with the roadmap getting dumbed down

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:34 PM

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@granite jacinth NO ITS NOT

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:34 PM

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k

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:34 PM

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its just a missing feature

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:34 PM

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does it work?

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without that feature?

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This logic

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:35 PM

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and if you go to my github, you see I and @sturdy coral made it work so you can just merge it

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:35 PM

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@granite jacinth you could go through and say anythign that doesn't work on linux is "broken"

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but that's not what broken means

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it is broken on linux

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:35 PM

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Probably because no one uses Linux

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:35 PM

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but not broken in general

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if they go back and break something that was working before, I would agree that that's broken

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:36 PM

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when a feature works great in 2D and doesn't work in VR that has nothing to do with it being broken

granite jacinth Apr 16, 2018, 11:37 PM

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...

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wtf lol

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Didn't know you were all English professors here...

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This discussion has nothing to do with semantics

mighty carbon Apr 16, 2018, 11:39 PM

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😒

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:40 PM

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don't know if this came up in chat already:

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http://community.viveport.com/t5/Developer-Blog/Announcing-VIVE-SDKs-for-the-Vive-Pro-front-facing-cameras-and/ba-p/17573

Vive Community

Announcing VIVE SDKs for the Vive Pro front facing cameras and Viv...

VIVE SRWorks SDK With the launch of VIVE Pro, developers will now have access to the stereo front facing cameras to create new experiences that can mix the see-through stereo camera view and their virtual worlds. This will enable developers to...

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Depth
Spatial Mapping (static and dynamic meshes)
Placing virtual objects in the foreground or background
Live interactions with virtual objects and simple hand interactions

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:42 PM

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"We are also announcing two VIVE audio SDKs, available for Unity, with support for UE4 coming soon."

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:42 PM

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BROKEN!

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😛

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:42 PM

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how many VR audio SDKs for UE4 will there still be? 😄

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feels like we have a billion different audio plugins for UE4 already

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:44 PM

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Yeah, im not sure what else there is too add at this point.

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Steam Audio already has a ton of crazy good features

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:45 PM

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the best is probably VRWorks Audio, right?

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and the only one running on GPU I think?

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:45 PM

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not sure if it integrates it

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oh n/m I thought you said it (steamvr audio) probably works best with it

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:47 PM

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Yeah thats the one I use, not sure what feature set to could top that. But I don't know shit about audio engineering. That one just had stuff I didn't even know was possible

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:47 PM

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@glossy agate which one you use?

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:47 PM

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Steam audio

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:48 PM

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and which features you didn't know were possible?

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and does the "audio GI" work with dynamic objects now?

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I don't think so?

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:48 PM

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phonon materials, and baking it all out for proper reverb for every type of material you can make

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And the accurate occlusions

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I figured all it would have is real nice spatialization, then reading over the docs was like "holy shit this is awesome!"

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:49 PM

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but it only works with static objects still I think?

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in UE4

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:50 PM

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I think it might allow occlusion from dynamic objects

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:50 PM

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Yeah only static as far as I know cause it has to be baked.

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:50 PM

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but all the reverb and reflections baked

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:50 PM

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and everything with baking is boring

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unless you eat it

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🙃

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I want to allow the player to shout something in my game and get a realistic echo from the world...

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:52 PM

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do you try to do any different reverb settings for caves/interiors?

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guess that could be expensive to detect

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:52 PM

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I never even tried to play the audio from the microphone in game

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:53 PM

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you could maybe do traces over multiple frames or something

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:53 PM

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not even sure if its possible to get the microphone input and play it as a sound in the world with no latency?

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:54 PM

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I have those for now as a cheap hack in my game until I finish the other audio but yeah that would work good in his game if he made a bunch and just set the correct one based on surrounding geometry

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:54 PM

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4.19 added some stuff around microphones, not sure about latency

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:54 PM

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in my game everything is 100% dynamic @glossy agate . and traces are boring. echos need to care about all existing geometry

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:54 PM

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Well it’s still good for footsteps and mining sounds

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:55 PM

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so VRWorks audio is the only thing I would consider

sturdy coral Apr 16, 2018, 11:55 PM

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yeah I only meant the reverb volume for sounds not mic

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mining and stuff could sound different in caves

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just a reverb volume of roughly the right size gets you a lot of the way there

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simulates near reflection time and far reflection time

glossy agate Apr 16, 2018, 11:57 PM

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Its not really size of the volume though, its the reverb asset you assign to it. So if you voxelized the volumes, and you had 50 reverb assets, they could be set per volume based on the surrounding geometry

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The volume size could just be like 10x the size of his regular blocks and you could probably get a decent effect

full junco Apr 16, 2018, 11:59 PM

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I'm not an audio guy

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I dont even know what reverb means 😛

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I just know VRWorks audio is nice

glossy agate Apr 17, 2018, 12:04 AM

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Just echo. They let you set how loud and how long the tail is. Simple and gets the point across.

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 12:05 AM

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ok

sturdy coral Apr 17, 2018, 12:10 AM

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near reflections would be based on distance from head to floor * speed of sound

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far would be usually average distance of surrounding walls, etc.

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sometimes a wall may be more near than the floor

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and you might tweak it for that

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 12:12 AM

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well I wouldnt do such stuff

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either completely flat audio or really good audio with VRWorks

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no fake stuff where I have to care about getting it right

real needle Apr 17, 2018, 12:16 AM

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@glossy agate @sturdy coral @full junco Steam audio can do dynamic occlusion

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It's just expensive

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 12:16 AM

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as far as I'm aware it doesnt work in UE4 yet

real needle Apr 17, 2018, 12:16 AM

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Really? We have the option between baked and dynamic

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 12:16 AM

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steam audio can do it, but not the steam audio ue4 integration

real needle Apr 17, 2018, 12:16 AM

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I never tried dynamic because I don't want to pay the cost

sturdy coral Apr 17, 2018, 12:18 AM

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@full junco that's probably the right choice, you have lots of foliage outdoors that would absorb most stuff anyway

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something different for caves would add the most atmosphere, but that may be too difficult to detect, and the player can dig something that was a cave into something different

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 12:19 AM

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yeah

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maybe I should try to update the vrworks audio branch to 4.19

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the vrworks audio stuff is just 4000 lines of code, so shouldnt be too hard

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though it will probably only work with old audio engine I guess

mighty carbon Apr 17, 2018, 12:58 AM

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oh, nice.. I just noticed this thread: https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/rendering/1460002-luoshuang-s-gpulightmass

Luoshuang's GPULightmass - Unreal Engine Forums

teaser1.jpg

Disclaimer:

This is a very simple and early version of my GPU lightmap baker. Don't expect much from it! =)

Binary Installation:

4.19.1:

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:01 AM

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The annoying thing about the VOIP talker is how private the voice engine is, fixing it requires replacing the subsystem folder or source versions of the engine

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if it wasn't that backwards I would have done it in a plugin a long time ago

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and for the spatialization part of the talker..its literally attaching the audio component to the character.....that is all they do

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one of the most request features for the engine period, localized voip, is not implemented on the most used platform for the engine...

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its just...silly

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I understand they probably made it for Fortnite, and made sure to make it a more generic implementation so they could port it back to the engine at large...but it really isn't that much additional effort to fix the one outlier and get it on steam too.

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:14 AM

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I never looked at VOIP in the engine, what is the problem with it?

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what doesn't work with steam?

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:14 AM

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the new component that allows for effects and spacialization

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as well as per person volume..something else locked away normally

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ue4 has never had accessible audio components for VOIP

mighty carbon Apr 17, 2018, 1:18 AM

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Is anyone here planning on getting Oculus Go (via Start program or otherwise) ?

sturdy coral Apr 17, 2018, 1:25 AM

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I probably would have before I got a new phone

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 1:39 AM

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@tired tree sorry, could you speak more to the voip stuff. I am trying to do localized voip in my game and make it actually echo and bounce in a semi convincing way.

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are you saying that I basically need to rewrite the voip code in the engine and checkout the engine git in order to accomplish that?

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:39 AM

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echo and bounce? yes

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just spacialize? yes if using steam

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no if using null subsystem

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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i see

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i was planning on using steam

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so you cant hook the voip into any reverb, or have it play as if it was going through steam audio out of box

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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@tired tree why is it relevant if using steam or not? as I said I have no clue how the VOIP stuff works, but don''t immediately understand why its relevant if you connect to some IP directly or using steam

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:41 AM

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steam overrides the function that implements interfacign with the voip component

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it also uses steams voice packets

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basically, what they did for their voip would have to be ported over to the steam subsystem

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since it has its own voice engine

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:41 AM

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why does steam have its own voice engine?

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:41 AM

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steam has its own voice

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there also isn't a direct non editing method of switching voice engines

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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its just a different lib for doing voip that steam offers through their api

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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and can you not just kill that steam system and use UE4s?

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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steam subsystem auto inits the steam audio engine

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and not the default

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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and you cant easily change that?

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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its in the module init

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and tied in a few places

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with direct casts

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 1:43 AM

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so I don't really care which voip I use, I just want to use steam audio for the game's audio processing

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is the null voip compatible with steam audio?

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:43 AM

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its probably possible to force it to use default voice engine, and in many cases the default is probably better now with its better compression

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but its not something you can do outside of editing the subsystem moduel AFIK

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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damn

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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well if its changing 1 line its not a big deal, and if its changing 5 lines it also isn't

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if its 500 it is

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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is it just making stuff public or completely rewriting how it works

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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it might be a one line init change

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but thats still a source / module replacement

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would have to test

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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if its such an easy change and many people need it, why has no one done a PR yet?

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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if all of the utility still works

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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ugh

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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that is to force the null audio

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not to add the voip talker

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adding voip talker is more work

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:47 AM

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what do you mean with "adding voip talker"?

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:48 AM

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the voice component

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for the spacialization and effects

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:49 AM

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where does that have to be "added" to?

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 1:49 AM

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so what I want to do is have 2 players in a cave system/dungeon, and have their voices bouncing around semi convincingly both for local audio for your own voice and hearing your friends voice bounce and occlude if stuff is in the way of them.

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Frustratingly I talked to a Unreal guy at gdc and they said it was possible with steam audio plugin

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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the voice engine

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have to change a struct, and two functions

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possibly more, depends on how many use the cache

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didn't finish tracking it all down

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:52 AM

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I thought the voice component stuff does already work with the null noice?

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:53 AM

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with null only

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saying to keep usign steam voip

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:53 AM

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but the "solution" was to just kill the steam voip completely I thought? 😄

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:56 AM

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thats hardly a realistic solution

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 1:56 AM

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What is frustrating to me about this is I feel like in unity I could extract the raw wav data of the voip audio and build a new sound on the fly and pump that localized into the steam audio engine and probably have a reasonable solution (maybe?).

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I wanted to move to unreal cause I thought it had good audio options for vr

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:57 AM

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@tired tree why not?

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:57 AM

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because its inaccessible to many users

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:57 AM

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if the UE4 voip is actually better now whats the problem with killing the steam voip?

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:57 AM

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the whole point is that they promote the engines launcher version so heavily

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and then they do this

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sure both of us are capable of fixing it

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:58 AM

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ah, you just mean not realistic because it requires those few lines of source change

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:58 AM

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but this has literally been one of the most requested features for yearas

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:58 AM

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well if its easy to fix now there will surely be a PR soon

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and then in a year or so they will merge that

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 1:58 AM

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?

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lol sure

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like all of the other subsystem merges ever

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steam auth has been sitting as a pull request for like 3 years

full junco Apr 17, 2018, 1:59 AM

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wel, the PR should just add a kill switch for the steam voip system

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so that it cant break anything

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 1:59 AM

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@tired tree can you give me file paths to the files you were looking at that might need changing. I'd like to look at them and it sounds like you know where they are in the engine

tired tree Apr 17, 2018, 2:01 AM

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its just in the voiceengine files

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look em up, that is their name

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 2:09 AM

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kk ty

neon dove Apr 17, 2018, 2:33 AM

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How does player knockback work for VR? I tried Launch Character and Adding Force, Adding Impulse, and none of those worked.

sturdy coral Apr 17, 2018, 3:36 AM

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@neon dove depends on your character setup

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:11 AM

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I'm having a weird issue.

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i have a scene with darkish lighting

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and i applied the rockslate texture to my walls

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i have a point light a global light source and a sky light all at low values

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and a simple post processing volume

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and the texture only looks bumpy in the right eye

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in the left eye the walls look flat, in the right eye they have texture and are darker

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unreal 4.19

candid viper Apr 17, 2018, 8:28 AM

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@hollow mauve With an issue like that best to post a screenshot if you're able, as it's a lot easier to get a feel for the problem

dusky moon Apr 17, 2018, 8:28 AM

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@glossy agate I saw you mentioned Steam Audio ... If you haven't implemented it yet. consider that it doesn't support Level Streaming and thus it was total garbage for me.

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:28 AM

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yeah, do you know how to screenshot both eye renderings? @candid viper

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cause the desktop only shows one

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the left one

dusky moon Apr 17, 2018, 8:29 AM

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it's a bit disappointing that no one from Valve answered my question about the Level streaming support which has been asked 2 months ago.

candid viper Apr 17, 2018, 8:30 AM

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@hollow mauve Change the spectator screen mode.

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:31 AM

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i will google how to do that

candid viper Apr 17, 2018, 8:31 AM

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https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-us/Platforms/VR/VRSpectatorScreen

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You want undistorted mode.

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:33 AM

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hmm well that's concerning

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on the monitor

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they show up the same

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in the vive they are clearly different

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i can post the screenshot

candid viper Apr 17, 2018, 8:35 AM

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I'd check something else in VR just to verify it isn't a cable/hardware issue

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:35 AM

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but its just of a functioning image

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kk

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ill poke around

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this might be it

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4e5gce/left_displayeye_brighter_is_this_normal/

Left display/eye brighter - is this normal? • r/Vive

Hi, when looking at black or very dark scenes the left display is brighter than the right one. So when looking with both eyes open it's quite...

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:43 AM

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@tired tree hey man, do you know how the steam servers work ?

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:43 AM

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I might

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:44 AM

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Is it continent based or country based ?

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:44 AM

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can you be more specific

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for the steam api matchmaking?

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:44 AM

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yep

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just failed a test between france and norway, guys at oslo couldn't see the french server

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:44 AM

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if you are using spacewar app id it i think automatically limits your to their own region based thing which i dont fully know

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if you are using your own app id it is global

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:45 AM

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argh

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so we need to get our own appid ?

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:45 AM

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and you do your own filtering

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sounds like

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i did

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100$

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:45 AM

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ouchie

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:45 AM

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thats the price of putting a game on steam

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:45 AM

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yeap

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:45 AM

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hope that helps, i was mucking with the matchmaking stuff in unity a month ago and came across a thread complaining about that very thing

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:47 AM

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aight, thanks a lot !

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need to talk my boss into getting us an appid then

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:48 AM

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sounds like, good luck!

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gdamn, it looks like im going to have to rma my vive now because of this issue

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:52 AM

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which one ?

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:52 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4e5gce/left_displayeye_brighter_is_this_normal/

Left display/eye brighter - is this normal? • r/Vive

Hi, when looking at black or very dark scenes the left display is brighter than the right one. So when looking with both eyes open it's quite...

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im seeing that

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and the game im making is you being in a dark dungeon

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so

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:53 AM

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btw https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/78300/steam-some-players-cant-find-my-server-others-can.html

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sounds like voodoo fixes, but worth a shot

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:53 AM

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can you do friend invite list?

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that should just work regardless i imagine

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just write the handlers for join games off of friend list and invite friend to server

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:54 AM

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woh

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that's too much code for me 😂

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I'm using the vrexp template

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:55 AM

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lol kk

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:55 AM

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I changed the download region to norway and I can't see my other machine hosting

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so I guess it could work ?

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:56 AM

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shrug i'd use the advanced steam lib that someone made and write blueprint handlers for all the friend invite stuff cause itll make your game better

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:58 AM

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we're doing closed door testing for internal use, so for now hackey solutions are more than enough 😄

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 8:59 AM

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sure! fail fast and iterate i gotcha

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:59 AM

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`I have seen issues with this based on region using the public SpaceWar app id, but when I use a private App ID that I own and have control over, everyone is able to see everyone.

I don't have any proof of this, but I'm pretty sure there is some form of region filtering going on that prevents people from seeing each other when using the SpaceWar test app id. Any time I test, people from the same general location can see each other but people in different locations (USA vs Europe vs Asia) can't see each other.`

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 9:00 AM

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yep, thats the thread i saw

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 9:12 AM

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welp

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just tested with the oslo colleagues

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it works

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guess we'll get our own appid then

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 9:12 AM

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cool

wicked oak Apr 17, 2018, 9:37 AM

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funny how the client that hired me for a gearvr unity job is amazed

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ive brought the game from 300 drawcalls to 30, with better visuals

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i didnt know unity was this useless on render tech, its forward render for mobile renders every object multiple times

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it was balooning drawcalls very hard

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also its culling is trash, had to implement my own custom culling

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custom unlit shader (with flashlight spotlight in it, as its the only llight), + single pass fog on it + culling + actor merging for a 10 times decrease in drawcalls

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nvm dropped it to 15 drawcalls

fleet plume Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 AM

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how long are you actually doing this stuff?

wicked oak Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 AM

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not much

fleet plume Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 AM

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gamedev, not that project

wicked oak Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 AM

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literally the first unity thing i do. of actual work, maybe 2 days?

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10 years

fleet plume Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 AM

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ok

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that's a while 😃

wicked oak Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 AM

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im 23

fleet plume Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 AM

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whizz kid

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😛

wicked oak Apr 17, 2018, 9:48 AM

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i started doing actual freelance programmer jobs at 15

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back on the UDK times

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maybe got 2000 dollars of freelancing on udk? for a 15 year old is a fuckton of money

fleet plume Apr 17, 2018, 9:48 AM

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that's a new rig

wicked oak Apr 17, 2018, 9:48 AM

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pretty much

shell karma Apr 17, 2018, 9:50 AM

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back in the days when I was 15 there wasn't internet widely available in Poland, /sad

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I blame the economy for not being able to use computer at the age of 15 !

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I'm 29 so that just 14 years ago

neon egret Apr 17, 2018, 10:28 AM

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Oculus suggests to match Requests to Responses via ID, which is totally normal and okay, however I don't see how I can save the ID on request.
I can only retrieve the RequestID in the Response

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e.g. "ovr_Room_Get(RoomID)" doesn't take any additional params and returns an ovrRequest object

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However now idea what to do with ovrRequest

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It's a uint64_t and not really explained if that is the ID or just some object I can work with

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Hm, well maybe it is really just that, an ID. WILL TEST!

wicked oak Apr 17, 2018, 10:34 AM

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@neon egret classic C style apis

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objects, pointers be damned, we use a number ID

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fucking opengl

neon egret Apr 17, 2018, 10:35 AM

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Well I don't mind, if they would at least write that down properly

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"You can use this to compare Request and Response."

balmy surge Apr 17, 2018, 10:36 AM

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Anyone know how to do hand grab animation?

neon egret Apr 17, 2018, 10:36 AM

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Also, if you ever get the Presence of an Oculus User, don't get your hopes up that you'll get more info than Online/Offline...

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MRGameInstance.cpp(90): warning C4946: reinterpret_cast used between related classes: 'IOnlineSubsystem' and 'FOnlineSubsystemOculus'
OnlineSubsystem.h(134): note: see declaration of 'IOnlineSubsystem'
OnlineSubsystemOculus.h(26): note: see declaration of 'FOnlineSubsystemOculus'

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Hmm

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Worth a try?

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@balmy surge What exactly is your problem with HandAnims?

balmy surge Apr 17, 2018, 10:38 AM

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i need the hand to grab when you pull the trigger

neon egret Apr 17, 2018, 10:39 AM

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Have you look at how Epic does it?

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@wicked oak Probably gonna stick to the static_cast. Even Epic suggests that for the Subsystems...

wicked oak Apr 17, 2018, 10:39 AM

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reinterpret cast complaining on something?

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first time i see that

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usually reinterpret is the naked-est of casts

neon egret Apr 17, 2018, 10:53 AM

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Thing is

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Reinterp on related classes doesn't make sense, does it?

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 3:01 PM

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dafuq

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steam crashed

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and removed steamVR ?

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🤔

wary onyx Apr 17, 2018, 4:39 PM

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if any of you are PS4 devs

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please contact me

wicked oak Apr 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

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@ＡＣＥ　ＧＯＤ　ァ印ニ#9718 what the fuck you doing posting PS4 stuff publicallly

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you should delete that btw

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im a PS4 dev, but without any info i cant help you

glossy agate Apr 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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@daring mural Had the same problem I think. Not sure if he fixed it or how.

wary onyx Apr 17, 2018, 5:41 PM

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@wicked oak WHOOPS

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my dumbass did not know that

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My apologies

sturdy coral Apr 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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@jaunty shell invites can work around the spacewar region issue, you can try with shooter game to see it work and how to do it

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You have to send the invite the ought the overlay, I think the shooter game friends list isn't fully functional

jaunty shell Apr 17, 2018, 8:53 PM

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Oh I'll have a look then, thanks for the suggestion @sturdy coral :)

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 9:03 PM

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@wicked oak are there issues with talking about ps4 dev in public? Sony agreement stuff that makes it bad to ask questions in public forums?

wicked oak Apr 17, 2018, 9:04 PM

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@hollow mauve of course

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NDAs and shit

hollow mauve Apr 17, 2018, 9:05 PM

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makes sense just not something i ever thought about

real needle Apr 17, 2018, 9:25 PM

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@sturdy coral Do you have a link to the pull request for fixing WindowsMR/OculusRift using SteamVR in 4.18?

sturdy coral Apr 17, 2018, 9:27 PM

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@real needle https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/pull/4356

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I think the VR editor still has a viewport problem with it that I never fixed

real needle Apr 17, 2018, 9:28 PM

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That's fine, we're not using it

wary onyx Apr 17, 2018, 10:08 PM

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@wicked oak thank you for reminding me

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But my problem is fixed

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@daring mural helped me figure out what the problem was thanks to him my compile should be sucessful

obtuse spruce Apr 17, 2018, 10:10 PM

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@real needle 4.18 broke Oculus Rifts running through SteamVR? Do you know if that was fixed in 4.19?

real needle Apr 17, 2018, 10:10 PM

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@obtuse spruce Yes it was

obtuse spruce Apr 17, 2018, 10:12 PM

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@real needle Ok, thanks for the info. I'm in the process of upgrading from 4.16.3, so I'm checking this board every so often to see what live bugs there are that we should watch out for.

frosty robin Apr 18, 2018, 7:55 AM

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Yep, definitely Fixed 😃 @obtuse spruce In general 4.19 feels like a good (Stable) release for VR 😃

frigid widget Apr 18, 2018, 10:49 AM

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Hi everyone, I'm beginner and I've problem with VR Pawn. When I import it in another project It not working, how can i fix? thanks

granite jacinth Apr 18, 2018, 11:23 AM

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@frigid widget Any more info than that by any chance?

frigid widget Apr 18, 2018, 12:39 PM

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ok SOLVED (change Posses to Player0)

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thank you

frigid widget Apr 18, 2018, 1:43 PM

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Is there anyone that has a project with 1 megascan material example?

jaunty shell Apr 18, 2018, 2:30 PM

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anyone here tried the SRWorks SDK from HTC for the Vive Pro ?

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I can't get the realtime photgrammetry stuff to work, the cameras are crashing after a few seconds 😦

mighty carbon Apr 18, 2018, 7:11 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RgflwOLXDw

YouTube

Christine Kaeser-Chen

Controller 6DOF Pose Projection

Sample sequence in HMD Controller Dataset.

▶ Play video

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interesting

dusky moon Apr 18, 2018, 7:13 PM

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any1 tried it ?!
https://evermotion.org/articles/show/11026/gpu-lightmap-baking-in-unreal-engine

Evermotion.org

GPU Lightmap Baking in Unreal Engine

Unofficial solution is here and works really great!

mighty carbon Apr 18, 2018, 7:14 PM

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I posted about it a few days ago, and no one seemed to be interested

dusky moon Apr 18, 2018, 7:21 PM

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yeah seems like too early/buggy

raven halo Apr 18, 2018, 7:59 PM

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I am!

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I've used for my upcoming game

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it's totally finished, only bug fixing now

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and I went through the trouble of trying it out

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and reporting bugs

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all the bugs from GPU Lightmass relevant to my game are fixed now 😄

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it looks amazing!

tired tree Apr 18, 2018, 8:01 PM

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its the same baking isn't it? just with some of the settings hardcoded and the stationary light forced to be always baked

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its just more parallel since its over the GPU so it is faster.

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aside from baking time it seems like a straight downgrade.

wicked oak Apr 18, 2018, 8:01 PM

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different type of rendering too @tired tree

tired tree Apr 18, 2018, 8:01 PM

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eh?

wicked oak Apr 18, 2018, 8:02 PM

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its a brute force render. It doesnt use photon mapping

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it doesnt have seams on modular pieces, nowhere near close to the seams in lightmass

tired tree Apr 18, 2018, 8:02 PM

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ah

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oh its Luoshuang

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thought it was a different one

fleet plume Apr 18, 2018, 8:08 PM

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what's that 6dof video exactly about?

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are those vicon cameras?

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also looks like a nice office with all those "toys" 😄

mighty carbon Apr 18, 2018, 8:11 PM

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no, it's turning 3DoF controller into 6DoF using software tricks

fleet plume Apr 18, 2018, 8:24 PM

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is there an article or tweet (lol) to that?

dusky moon Apr 18, 2018, 8:27 PM

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It'd be great if there was some comparisons to see how brute force changes the look. but if it's way faster than CPU based baking. I would say it can be super helpful for faster iterations.

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specially when working with sublevels and UE4 just randomly says you need to bake all stuff again 😄

mighty carbon Apr 18, 2018, 9:11 PM

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@fleet plume https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/8d7utm/this_could_be_huge_google_daydream_team_presents/

This could be huge: Google Daydream team presents possible solutio...

10 points and 3 comments so far on reddit

fleet plume Apr 18, 2018, 9:20 PM

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thanks!

main ether Apr 19, 2018, 12:24 AM

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hm what is this? just controller transform as seen through the hmd?

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@mighty carbon

mighty carbon Apr 19, 2018, 12:26 AM

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I am as clueless as you are @main ether

main ether Apr 19, 2018, 12:54 AM

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would be more impressive if there was no controller, right now its just a normal vr controller with the transform marked up in the video

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also there are two large motion capture cameras in the background

mighty carbon Apr 19, 2018, 12:56 AM

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normal VR controller on mobile platforms is 3DoF

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hopefully Santa Cruz will be released rather sooner

quartz hamlet Apr 19, 2018, 2:09 AM

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hello

neon dove Apr 19, 2018, 3:06 AM

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Does anyone know how to set up Player Knockback in VR?

sinful bobcat Apr 19, 2018, 5:37 AM

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im trying to make a vr character from scratch

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motion controllers arent working

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they just dont appear to be getting any input

sonic lake Apr 19, 2018, 6:16 AM

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@sinful bobcat Did you setup the motion controllers according to the official documentation? Are you possessing your VR Pawn properly?

sinful bobcat Apr 19, 2018, 6:23 AM

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yeah i think so

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i mean the headset tracking is fine

sonic lake Apr 19, 2018, 6:31 AM

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If you are not possessing your VR Pawn correctly, UE4 will switch to the Default Pawn, which has a working HMD but not Motion Controllers. You can tell because it can move using the standard WASDEQ keys.

fleet plume Apr 19, 2018, 8:50 AM

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@mighty carbon @main ether they've trained a neural net to recognize hand positions by using half a million stills of tracked hand positions
see https://arxiv.org/pdf/1804.05870v1.pdf

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i guess that's also why they have the tracking system in the room; probably used it to record those stills together with exact tracking data

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fucking smart those google peeps!

magic ferry Apr 19, 2018, 8:53 AM

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hey guys is it possible to add to the hmd rotation in real time? I'm trying to make it look like the world is rotating but instead of messing with the whole level just messing with the camera position/rotation

mighty carbon Apr 19, 2018, 11:42 AM

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I encountered a weird issue last night - casting to an actor spawned from Game Instance works in PIE, but fails in build running on the device (Android). Has anyone encountered something similar ?

dusky moon Apr 19, 2018, 2:18 PM

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@full junco I saw your post in Audio chat... In nutshell, it's total fine to opt into Nvidia VRworks ?! I mean you might only loose 2 percent of your user base right ?

candid viper Apr 19, 2018, 3:03 PM

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@dusky moon Be careful not to confuse NVidia VrWorks Audio, with NVidia VrWorks rendering (MRS/LMS). VrWorks audio could probably be done in a plugin, at the present time at least VrWorks rendering - MRS/LMS could not.

dusky moon Apr 19, 2018, 3:13 PM

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@candid viper good point. I actually meant rendering which requires to build the engine from their branch

mighty carbon Apr 19, 2018, 3:30 PM

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UE4 roadmap got some interesting updates

wicked oak Apr 19, 2018, 3:50 PM

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@mighty carbon you mean a huge amount of sequencer stuff

mighty carbon Apr 19, 2018, 3:51 PM

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nah, I meant baked area lights

sturdy coral Apr 19, 2018, 8:24 PM

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@dusky moon he had some followup with the ue4 audio guy on #audio you may want to scroll through and read

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nvidia may be reworking the audio stuff to work in the new sound system engine as a plugin instead of having to modify a bunch of engine stuff

sturdy coral Apr 19, 2018, 9:25 PM

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@mighty carbon volume texture support will be nice

tired tree Apr 19, 2018, 9:26 PM

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yum

sturdy coral Apr 19, 2018, 9:26 PM

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when you do it like a cut up 2d texture you don't get mip levels that blend across z axis unless you custom compute mips yourself

tired tree Apr 19, 2018, 9:26 PM

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about time

sturdy coral Apr 19, 2018, 9:27 PM

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and I think with volume textures you get interpolation
in z that you don't get with 2d slices

wintry escarp Apr 19, 2018, 10:41 PM

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anyone know why todays unreal twitch stream was cancelled?

granite jacinth Apr 19, 2018, 11:07 PM

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was it supposed to be good one?

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And who knows tbh, we're lucky they are even doing Thursday streams semi-regularly now

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Community Management has gone down considerably after Alex left

mighty carbon Apr 20, 2018, 12:40 AM

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That's why Alex left most likely (besides going to EU; Epic could have made decision to dedicate less and less time and effort for community and focus on maybe real money; just speculating)

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@sturdy coral I don't even know how and where I'd use volumetric textures

mighty carbon Apr 20, 2018, 3:17 AM

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It's almost always dead here on Thursdays and Fridays 😦

sonic lake Apr 20, 2018, 6:12 AM

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Yes very quiet...

dusky moon Apr 20, 2018, 6:13 AM

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shall we blame fortnite again ? 😛

candid viper Apr 20, 2018, 6:40 AM

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I'm going along to Unreal Fest Europe next week. If anyone is around and wants to chat UE VR, I'd love to meetup.

full junco Apr 20, 2018, 8:03 AM

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@Alless#9041 you don't use any userbase by using VRWorks stuff, the game will still work on AMD, just without those special features

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@Alless#9041

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I hate how broken discord is

dusky moon Apr 20, 2018, 8:06 AM

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@full junco lol I get you ... mentioning offline users are fcked up
but good to know. thought it won't run on AMD gpus

fleet plume Apr 20, 2018, 12:30 PM

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any good vr games that use pad/stick on motion controllers for locomotion?

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besides onward

wicked oak Apr 20, 2018, 12:31 PM

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skyrim

fleet plume Apr 20, 2018, 12:32 PM

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wondering how to handle physical + stick locomotion

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at the same time

tired tree Apr 20, 2018, 12:34 PM

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what about it?

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for the record, Skyrim doesn't do that currently

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and its some drama about it

fleet plume Apr 20, 2018, 12:34 PM

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like when player is physically walking forward plus at the same time pushing the stick forward

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if i e.g. cap movement speed, won't the player get sick?

tired tree Apr 20, 2018, 12:35 PM

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are you moving the pawn with the player walking?

fleet plume Apr 20, 2018, 12:35 PM

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yes

tired tree Apr 20, 2018, 12:35 PM

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generally people don't move when locomotion as it is disconcerting

fleet plume Apr 20, 2018, 12:35 PM

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i'am currently looking into adding stick movement

tired tree Apr 20, 2018, 12:35 PM

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but yes, you should allow the free movement

fleet plume Apr 20, 2018, 12:36 PM

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or in my case the touchpad on the vive controllers, as i'am using the vive for dev

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i'll just do a base impl and then see if it works for me

tired tree Apr 20, 2018, 12:37 PM

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are you moving it with AddInput, or physically moving the pawn for the roomscale?

fleet plume Apr 20, 2018, 12:39 PM

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i'am actually not sure as i'am using the runeberg plugin

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used teleportation until now and started looking into movement today

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(i'am prototyping various vr ideas and learning ue4 at the same time)

tired tree Apr 20, 2018, 12:44 PM

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ah

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he doesn't move the pawn with the roomscale

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you are still relative to the actors root

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so you won't be capping your physical movement when you cap your locomotion

fleet plume Apr 20, 2018, 1:00 PM

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glossed over the source and just saw the same

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fun fact: my playspace is a bit crammed right now due to another room being renovated, so i actually always used teleport

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when something was beyond arm's reach

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so i never noticed it missing

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duh

mighty carbon Apr 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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hmm.. I am not sure why UE 4.20 has focus on Sequencer

wicked oak Apr 20, 2018, 3:53 PM

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@mighty carbon have you seen GDC?

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all that movie stuff

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also becouse epic themselves use sequencer for trailers for fortnite

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every single fortnite trailer is sequencer

mighty carbon Apr 20, 2018, 4:19 PM

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nah, haven't watched GDC stuff, but makes sense now

wicked oak Apr 20, 2018, 4:24 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/PSVR/comments/8dnw8y/first_look_at_the_combat_in_our_new_cooperative/

First look at the combat in our new cooperative VR RPG • r/PSVR

102 points and 36 comments so far on reddit

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i posted about my dungeon crawler game and it got incredible reception

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better than i expected, by a lot

mighty carbon Apr 20, 2018, 4:27 PM

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@wicked oak how did you add "developer" tag next to your name ?

wicked oak Apr 20, 2018, 4:27 PM

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told the mods

mighty carbon Apr 20, 2018, 4:28 PM

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ah, I see

manic ledge Apr 20, 2018, 5:17 PM

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Hi all, widget interaction component uses a debug draw line to draw the debug line, so what have you guys used for shipping builds? Initial thought was a beam particle?

tired tree Apr 20, 2018, 5:18 PM

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1x1 beam mesh that you scale with world aligned material is easiest

manic ledge Apr 20, 2018, 5:19 PM

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That too, I think that's what Onward does potentially, their's does seem like a mesh

tired tree Apr 20, 2018, 5:22 PM

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editor uses a spline

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but that is because they implemented the end point smoothing

manic ledge Apr 20, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Will probably do something a bit more substantial at a later point, got to get a build out for Monday so I'll just do mesh for now, cheers

mighty carbon Apr 20, 2018, 5:37 PM

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oooh, this is the best Synty's pack IMO https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/environments/sci-fi/polygon-sci-fi-city-pack-115950

POLYGON - Sci-Fi City Pack - Asset Store

On sale for initial release, get in quick!

Synty Studios Presents -

A low poly
asset pack of characters, props, weapons, vehicles and environment assets to create a Sci-Fi themed polygonal style game.

Modular sections are easy to pie...

wicked oak Apr 20, 2018, 5:39 PM

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holy shit

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those poly guns

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and its even cheap

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that pack looks amazing

glossy agate Apr 20, 2018, 5:40 PM

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cyber punk 2077 low polly

mighty carbon Apr 20, 2018, 5:40 PM

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I'd make Deus Ex'esque VR game for Go with it 😉

glossy agate Apr 20, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Only $50 thats a steal too

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Wish they made videos for more of their packs

mighty carbon Apr 20, 2018, 5:42 PM

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https://www.facebook.com/syntystudios/

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videos are there

glossy agate Apr 20, 2018, 5:43 PM

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oh sweet

mighty carbon Apr 20, 2018, 8:39 PM

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https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/04/20/eve-ccp-vr-expectations/

Rock, Paper, Shotgun - PC Game Reviews, Previews, Subjectivity

Matt Kamen

“Below our lowest expectations” – why EVE devs CCP pulled ou...

Six months ago, EVE Online developer CCP Games pulled out of the virtual reality market. The move came as a shock, given how well-suited and devoted CCP seemed to be to the tech, with international studios in the US and UK working on VR titles, a...

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half of the comments (if not most) are from people that sound like they never tried VR o.O

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 9:59 AM

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Out of sheer curiosity, I need to ask. What rendering features don't actually work in forward for VR? I know SSR doesn't, contact shadows don't, and SSAO really should but doesn't, is there anything else?

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 10:16 AM

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A friend is trying to talk me into working on a VR project with him, just want to know what I'm getting myself into.

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:12 AM

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@covert moth forward render doesnt have gbuffer

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so the fancy postfx dont work

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tonemaper, bloom, taa, and DOF work (but you dont want DOF)

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SSR and SSAO dont

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:13 AM

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What about DFAO?

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:13 AM

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as far as i know, it allso doesnt work (as its kind of a postprocess pass)

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thats why i was trying to write my own SSAO in a postprocess through Custom nodes, but i was unable to get a good result given that i only had the depth to work with

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if we had normals in a gbuffer in forward, ssao would work fine

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:14 AM

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I'm watching the robo recall thing right now actually, they say the reason they didn't add SSAO to it was it didn't look right in VR

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:15 AM

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there are cases where it does look weird

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:15 AM

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But when you have that whole vignette effect you had, I'm not sure you would really notice any inconsistencies near the edge of the screen

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Using planar reflections instead of SSR kinda scares me, but the way they set things up doesn't look so terrible.

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What's the policy on texel density for VR? Still 1k per meter that you would have in an FPS?

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https://issues.unrealengine.com/issue/UE-43318 Funnily enough, looks like DFAO not working in VR is actually just a bug that they decided wasn't worth fixing

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At least, for now.

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So it just sounds more basic, but not really anything that would really cripple a project's look too badly. SSR can be replaced with planar for the most noticeable things.

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No light functions or IES profiles is a little weird though.

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:32 AM

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@covert moth keep in mind a vr screen is around 1000x1000 pixels

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per eye

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bit more, but yknow, engine bullshit and antialiasing and things

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:32 AM

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only?

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:32 AM

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yes

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bit more than that. oculus is actually something like 1000x1200 per eye XD

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:33 AM

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1,440 by 1,600 for the new one

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:33 AM

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for that reason, i allways think of my texel density depending on the size the thing will have

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for a weapon, a 2k texture will be fine

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almost overkill

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another very important thing for vr

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bevel everything

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:33 AM

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Texel density is a better metric than just saying 1k or 2k textures. I don't know how big that weapon is.

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:34 AM

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the hard edges in vr look horrible

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bevels look the best

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:34 AM

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Generally, per meter, what do you aim for?

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:34 AM

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im not that much of an artist to control that correctly

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but DWVR characters are all 2k texture (fullbody)

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and the weapons are 2k too

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hand held weapons

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for vr, its better to have more polys

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normal maps do look flat

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:35 AM

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And bevel everything even if you bake it properly/seamlessly?

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:35 AM

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if its seamless, no issue. But remember normal maps do look flat in vr

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its normally best to have everything on smooth polygons, as it just looks better

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no hard edges

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:35 AM

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Alright

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:35 AM

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and avoid abusing normal maps too much

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detail? fine

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bigger parts? model them

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the biggest issue in vr is actually drawcalls

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and pixel performance (dynamic light)

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its an instant x2 drawcalls

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:36 AM

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Do the volumetric lightmaps render properly? Like if I have a door you can open, will it look out of place?

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:36 AM

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x4 if you use forward renderer

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no they dont, i think

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ah, you mean the lightmaps, not the volumetric thing

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those work fine

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be VERY careful with dynamic light

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:37 AM

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Yeah, the volumetric lightmaps, not volumetric lighting. I know better than to even attempt that, I'll fake it entirely for that.

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:37 AM

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it nukes performance extremelly hard

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and also, you cant do smoke effects with planes

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at least up close

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they look extremellly flat

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you should avoid billboards like the plague

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:38 AM

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Hmm, so would you actually use the volumetric lighting then? I can make volumetric particles for those.

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It's... not cheap though.

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:38 AM

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i dont think volumetric works in vr

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if it did work, it would instantly eat half of your frame budget

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:38 AM

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What is the budget, btw? 8ms?

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:38 AM

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10

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:38 AM

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Okay

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:38 AM

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but remember the resolutions are batshit insane

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and its stereo (*2 everything)

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:39 AM

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What about shadows? Is it better to have insanely high res lightmaps, or better to have dynamic super up close on 1 cascade, like 1,000 units

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:39 AM

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oculus rift at Pixel Density 1 (optimal resolution) is 3.5k x 1.6k resolution total

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shadows are probably too expensive to use. I have them sparingly

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:40 AM

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Robo Recall I know had lightmap density so high the whole scene was red

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:40 AM

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they wanted that static light quality

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after all, maps arent that big

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and they have 3 maps total

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:40 AM

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Well, GPU lightmapper, not too worried about baking times all of a sudden.

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At this point it's just performance/quality

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:41 AM

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to test, just put screen percentage to 200

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to force unreal to render like at 4k

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that should give you a stimate

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or "emulate stereo" wich renders split screen

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:42 AM

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And yeah that resolution is the bit that confuses me. Do I author content the way I would as if it were being displayed on a 4k screen, using things like material layering to squeeze out cheap texel density? Or do I bake it all down to single layers and pay an overall higher memory cost for cheaper per pixel?

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:43 AM

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strike a balance

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material layers work great in vr. But again, vr has a ton of pixels

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you can look at robo recall for reference

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:46 AM

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Robo Recall seemed pretty loose with a lot of it. The robots, for example, have 3 sets of 2k textures, each.

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:46 AM

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they are seen at full screen size

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when you grab one

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or when you inspect one of the models in the menu

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:48 AM

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Alright. So if you know it'll be up close, just follow standard convention for regular models then.

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:48 AM

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dont go overboard

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while its 3 sets of 2k textures, is nowhere near as extreme as Paragon

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:48 AM

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And yeah, I probably don't need to worry about lightmap density if this is anything to go by.

📎 unknown.png

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We should have plenty of flexibility, it's just a personal project he wants to work on so the min spec would be his computer, aka a 1070.

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And nothing about VR strikes me as particularly vram intense unless there's some other hidden cost to textures

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The old dynamic light standard of "no more than 4-5 overlapping lights, no more than 3-4 active shadow casting lights total in the scene" still relevant?

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I know you're using a lot of dynamic lights

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 11:53 AM

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i also do shader shanenigans to cut their cost in half

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like completely removing specular from the shader

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and i mean completely cut

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 11:54 AM

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Ah. Yeah I don't see that being an option for my project.

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Thanks for going over a few things, it'll help a lot. Anything else you can think of I'll really need to know?

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 12:34 PM

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do not drop below 90 fps in any part of the development

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develop everything at the proper performance

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its not easy to try to optimize "later"

mighty carbon Apr 21, 2018, 2:56 PM

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@wicked oak apparently you don't need gbuffer for SSAO - look at RBDoom3BFG fork. It has forward renderer and SSAO.

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(Unless I am mixing things up with another engine)

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 3:12 PM

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yes

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but a depth only SSAO is going to be far lower quality than one that has normals

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quality gets halved at the same performance

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actually might even be more than halved

dusky moon Apr 21, 2018, 3:30 PM

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So today I just added a new test feature to my surreal VR project. it's a UMG attached to Left hand and interactable with right hand's Laser pointer... it feels good but I'd still want to try making it an actual touch screen as it's more intuitive than lasers . but have no idea how to implement that! any inputs ?!

📎 umg.jpg

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 3:30 PM

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a laser that activates itself when it goes near enough

dusky moon Apr 21, 2018, 3:31 PM

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It already works like that

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but I mean touch screen that you can actually touch UMG buttons with hands

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like tapping on buttons physically in VR... instead of using controller inputs

mighty carbon Apr 21, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Have you played Lone Echo?

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IMO it has best UI

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@wicked oak https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/adaptive-screen-space-ambient-occlusion

full junco Apr 21, 2018, 5:36 PM

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@tired tree is there anything in UE4s SteamVR implementation that would hurt "World Scale VR" or should that work perfectly out of the box?

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so walking around outside with a gaming laptop and WMR

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player being potentially hundreds of meters away from "center" of room

glossy agate Apr 21, 2018, 6:02 PM

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https://youtu.be/EQiF8Lfk128 some gameplay test from last night with James and others. Starting to get more stable

YouTube

James Nye

In League - Mercy Medical - 2v1 (I got rekt) (4/20/18)

▶ Play video

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 6:03 PM

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@motorsep#8292 to complicated to just add to unreal

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has multiple passes and denoises and lots of things

sturdy coral Apr 21, 2018, 6:26 PM

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@covert moth not sure it if has been fixed, but at one point light functions didn't work with stationary directional lights (for clouds outdoors)

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@full junco watch out for the sun if you try it, it will fry the screen if it goes through the lenses

full junco Apr 21, 2018, 6:34 PM

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I don't plan to try it, I have no gaming laptop

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I have one youtuber who wants to try it in my game, so I want to make sure that it works 😄

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 6:46 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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dungeon game reception

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vs DWVR first reception

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📎 unknown.png

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much better than i expected. Lets see if i can keep interesting going till release

sturdy coral Apr 21, 2018, 6:51 PM

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nice

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@wicked oak did you pitch it to sony yet?

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 6:51 PM

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it got approved for release

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so first stage is done

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but basically anything gets approved unless its porn or similar. so not much

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im going to mail sony this monday to see if i can convince them to lend me devkits

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so i can do MP as it should

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sadly, sony didnt even look at the gameplay video i embedded in the presentation document

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literally 2 views that i triggered myself

covert moth Apr 21, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Oh, congrats on approval, I was wondering what happened to that 😃

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And then I read the next line that says you still have to get the devkit. Well, good luck with that anyway, ignore my premature celebration.

wicked oak Apr 21, 2018, 6:57 PM

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the current stage is sony just looking at the document i gave, going "uhm its not porn" and clicking "approve"

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now i need to actually send it to the european contact to see if i can get testkits

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i dont need a devkit i already got one. But i need test-kits to show the game around and test MP

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the most interesting part, is that the players dont seem to dislike the style

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even on its total simplicity

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so thats really, really good

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as it had me worried

tired tree Apr 21, 2018, 7:42 PM

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@John Alcatraz#2916 not that I know of, they don'

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't limit tracking offset

quartz hamlet Apr 21, 2018, 11:49 PM

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hey there

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im getting an oculus rift soon

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is developing for vr using ue4 "user friendly"?

mighty carbon Apr 22, 2018, 12:10 AM

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it's as user friendly as developing for non-VR

glossy agate Apr 22, 2018, 12:14 AM

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@smokyboo#4867 Just testing is more inconvenient

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But thats true on any engine making vr games

quartz hamlet Apr 22, 2018, 12:28 AM

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hm ic

full junco Apr 22, 2018, 6:26 AM

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@MordenTral#2571 thanks!

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a lot of games seem to clamp the tracking offset or show black when further away than 10m, so I was worried that might not be the devs decisions but engine stuff

dusky moon Apr 22, 2018, 8:45 AM

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@granite jacinth I saw your complains about child actor bps and they kinda scared me! have you faced poop status on 4.19 with them ?! I already used lots of them in my vr project and am starting to feel concerned to scale their use through out the project...

harsh cedar Apr 22, 2018, 9:19 AM

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@dusky moon child actor components are the work of the devil

dusky moon Apr 22, 2018, 9:31 AM

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tbh I only need them because my project is based on a Community VR Template. and as the framework gets updates regularly it's easier to apply and implement updated BPs like Pawns from the template to your own customized stuff. that's why I found child actor bps the best way to cope with updating templates

harsh cedar Apr 22, 2018, 10:52 AM

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child bps are fine - child actor components are less so

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just be careful when you edit default variables on a parent class, if you dont want to lose all the settings on the children, save the parent class after an edit, then dont save children and restart the editor

cold siren Apr 22, 2018, 12:29 PM

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Hey guys, I know this is not specifically VR related, but I am having a problem in my VR project while trying to package. "Missing UE4Game binary.
You may have to build the UE4 project with your IDE. Alternatively, build using UnrealBuildTool with the commandline:
UE4Game <Platform> <Configuration>"

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I believe this is caused because I tried to add a C++ class by mistake, even though I am using the stock engine from the launcher and not compiling my engine

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I am not a programmer or have any programing knowledge

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I was also getting an error regarding a missing module "projectname.dll" while trying to just open my project

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but i removed the reference to the module from the .uproject file and it launched

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but I can no longer package

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Can any one help?

sonic lake Apr 22, 2018, 2:45 PM

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@cold siren Use the ZIP Up Project function under File --> Package Project to make a clean copy of your project, then unzip inside a new folder and open/package that one. It would anyway be better to move this discussion to #packaging .

cold siren Apr 22, 2018, 3:12 PM

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@sonic lake thanks! trying it out now

fleet plume Apr 22, 2018, 3:12 PM

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what are you all using for menus that shouldn't have lighting/post processing applied?
stereo layers with a umg render texture?

mighty carbon Apr 22, 2018, 3:24 PM

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yep

fleet plume Apr 22, 2018, 3:24 PM

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how do you handle e.g. a laser pointer?

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mine gets occluded by the stereo layer

mighty carbon Apr 22, 2018, 3:25 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxFqUDW5-fE

YouTube

Mitch's VR Lab

Mitch's VR Lab Ep11 - UE4 - Stereo Layers for UI

Description: How to render UMG widgets into the resolution independent stereo layers while keeping the benefits of UMG such as interaction. Epic Documentatio...

▶ Play video

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgWWwiHQmzY&t=20s

YouTube

Victor Burgos Games

Quick Start To Using Widget Interaction Component in 4.13/4.14

http://www.VictorBurgosGames.com

▶ Play video

fleet plume Apr 22, 2018, 3:26 PM

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https://youtu.be/lxFqUDW5-fE?t=880

YouTube

Mitch's VR Lab

Mitch's VR Lab Ep11 - UE4 - Stereo Layers for UI

Description: How to render UMG widgets into the resolution independent stereo layers while keeping the benefits of UMG such as interaction. Epic Documentatio...

▶ Play video

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actually doing it like the first video you posted

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but look at the video at my posted time code: laser is occluded

mighty carbon Apr 22, 2018, 3:27 PM

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turn off collisions on Stereo Layer component ?

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I haven't done any interactive menus yet, only non-interactive ones

fleet plume Apr 22, 2018, 3:27 PM

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i think we're talking about 2 different things

tired tree Apr 22, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Laser is occlused because stereo layers render above all other things

fleet plume Apr 22, 2018, 3:27 PM

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i mean visually occluded

tired tree Apr 22, 2018, 3:28 PM

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you can use depth with oculus stereo layers, but not openVR

fleet plume Apr 22, 2018, 3:28 PM

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damn

mighty carbon Apr 22, 2018, 3:28 PM

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can't you disable laser ?

fleet plume Apr 22, 2018, 3:28 PM

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but then the UX goes to hell imho

mighty carbon Apr 22, 2018, 3:29 PM

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well, add feedback to the highlighted menu items and put it closer to the cam, so that if feels like you are touching menu items

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add force feedback effects too

fleet plume Apr 22, 2018, 3:31 PM

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that's a possible solution, but i'am not a huge fan of the constraints it imposes on the menu contents

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the complexity is limited as everything has to be in arms reach

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i wonder how epic did it for robo recall

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and the vr mode in ue4 itself

sturdy coral Apr 22, 2018, 3:37 PM

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@tired tree @fleet plume they added depth to the API recently, but I guess ue4 still isn't using it

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	// This flag can be combined with Submit_TextureWithPose to pass a VRTextureWithPoseAndDepth_t.
	Submit_TextureWithDepth = 0x10,```

mighty carbon Apr 22, 2018, 3:40 PM

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@fleet plume well, you can always grab RR mod kit and see how Epic did it 😉

fleet plume Apr 22, 2018, 3:42 PM

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@tired tree is that from the OpenVR API ?

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@mighty carbon that's exactly what i'am doing now 😄

sturdy coral Apr 22, 2018, 3:43 PM

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You can add a laser as an overlay object too and it will render over your scene like the dashboard lasers

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(I think)

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I'm avoiding overlays right now for menus because when the menu goes behind geometry I want a custom blur effect

fleet plume Apr 22, 2018, 3:53 PM

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i need to take a closer look at the menus in robo recall

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they don't seem to be affected by lights

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also why are the menu names starting with "Odin_" ? was it always supposed to be "robo" recall? 😄

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also curious why i can't start it in vr mode (it's greyed out) even though steamvr is up and running

tacit quest Apr 22, 2018, 4:07 PM

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did you start steamvr after unreal?

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might need to just restart editor

fleet plume Apr 22, 2018, 4:56 PM

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i started steamvr first

daring mural Apr 22, 2018, 5:56 PM

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@fleet plume Did you fix the occluded laser issue? I had this problem and it was caused by transparency in my laser texture. If yours isn't fully opaque, try making it so.

fleet plume Apr 22, 2018, 6:05 PM

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@daring mural not yet, doggo demanded his 1hr+ walk 😉

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i think my conclusion at the moment is widget render target + stereolayer = occluded laser pointer
currently checking out the UI of robo recall and it's super interesting so far

wicked oak Apr 22, 2018, 6:43 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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dungeon architect snap builder good and bad in one picture

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first, works great

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second, it has literally zero control over how stuff gets attached

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wich means that far too often, you get duplicates or nonsensical stuff

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im going to subclass the generator and make it use the dungeon layouts i provide to it

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📎 unknown.png

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stress test

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less lights due to the fade out of they are small

fleet plume Apr 22, 2018, 6:46 PM

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duplicate rooms or items in rooms?

wicked oak Apr 22, 2018, 6:47 PM

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duplicate rooms

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look at the left side

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the exact same room in the exact same orientation 3 times in a row