if its the newer version
#virtual-reality
wicked oak
dry fjord
hmm
wicked oak
what version?
dry fjord
4.13
I was setting a res useful for the rift too, turned that off
still black
hmm
wait, got distracted and didn't try stereo on
rigid quiver
I got something like that once after I had messed with my super sampling. Set it back to defaults and it worked
dry fjord
sorry, hang on
nah still nothing
ok
yeah I do a ton of settings adjustment
nothing
turned all the console commands off
mighty carbon
Gear VR channel? It will be empty! (or maybe I would be the sole inhabitant of that channel)
dry fjord
I think the channel arrangement is good, we just need a project feedback and editor channel
rigid quiver
Nuuuuu. Maybe someday you will find someone @mighty carbon. Someday... So sad
mighty carbon
There are a few more devs on UE4 forums
1 active, several other - who knows what they are up to
dry fjord
yeah but they need discord to chat ever since their S7s melted their eyes
mighty carbon
lol
😆
I like this Discord chat and the community
feels more social that forum and reddit, and ... Unity
dry fjord
reddit is toxic
mighty carbon
🙀
dry fjord
so many bad attitudes and trolls
mighty carbon
well, not in UE4 reddit
at least I didn't experience that
although I did experience it in Gear VR reddit
tried trolling the trolls 😛
dry fjord
hahaha
mighty carbon
was testing "if you can't beat them, join them" theory
dry fjord
sadly bullies negotiate the "you have joined us" route by hazing you
they're not the worst either. it's the guys who feel slighted and can't get over it
oh no my internet image, what will the billions of people think of me
hey I'm getting a black HMD screen even on the VR template project
all my shit is lit up green
HMD has a green light on it
silk lodge
vive?
dry fjord
yeah
pallid echo
Do you see the white room in the headset before playing?
dry fjord
nope
silk lodge
sometimes now I've been having to start up steam vr and then ue
pallid echo
Restart everything if you haven't already. Turn off headset mirror
pallid echo
Should just restart the computer just to be sure which will handle the "everything" aspect.
dry fjord
haha yes
I hardly ever restart, I need to talk gently to it first
just trying a steam restart real quick
pallid echo
I get that all the time but the difference for me is the indicator light turns red which means the Vive isn't communicating with the computer.
I usually end up trying just restarting the project but most of the time a SteamVR AND Steam client restart fixes it.
pallid echo
😄
spring pond
boy i wish you could just sequence every actor / interaction in your VR game and play it back
recording footage in UE4 for VR is kinda a pain
wicked oak
i think you can in 4.13
still marsh
Did you turn on the Vive plugin in UE4?
Is SteamVR running?
Oh, all settled.
I have this scrolling-down problem with Discord apparently.
dry fjord
haha I have that problem too
spring pond
Hot tip. If you are using fonts in your VR game and use Temporal AA make sure "Responsive AA" is set in the material. World of difference
orchid hull
@spring pond thanks results are much better
abstract gale
@spring pond is that only if transparency is enabled?
this default material, DefaultTextMaterialOpaque, in TextRenderer, doesnt appear to have translucency enabled, and thats where that option is? Under Translucency Settings?
pallid echo
@granite jacinth Yes?
granite jacinth
My freaking bad. Discord mobile is funky.
pallid echo
Lol, no worries.
pallid echo
Is that what I was summoned here for? Haha
sturdy coral
@abstract gale this answer hub has some settings: https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/217285/strange-artefarcts-with-temporal-aa-and-text-in-mo.html
snow raft
https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/578fa1fb740c5afcad24d153/1920x1071/82b5751cc91d6bd34adfa10bc18570c3/78e4a7bfaf.jpg bit like this?
real needle
Hey guys,
Was wondering if there's finally a way to use the low latency update of the controllers to drive an animation, or are we doomed to disable the low latency and have laggy controls?
mighty carbon
do you think Oculus is falling apart ?
(I keep seeing Apple pouching devs from Oculus; it's impossible to get a hold of Audio devs any longer on their forums; etc. etc.)
wicked oak
apple is also getting devs from other places, like google
its just how business works
they pay you more, you switch
mighty carbon
not always
if your at a workplace that is fun, with good insurance and options, good work environment, why switch to higher paid job if you have no clue what it will be like there?!
wicked oak
if they pay high enough..
i might be ok in my current job, but if i get an offer for 3 times the salary, goodbye
wintry escarp
mobile channel is totally dead
mighty carbon
never worked in hi-tech industry
where I worked salary hikes are not that crazy
@wintry escarp UE4 isn't really a mobile engine..
abstract gale
..but what about the flappy bird sample? 😮
wintry escarp
so what are people making gearvr games with
mighty carbon
I am that close to stop messing with Gear VR stuff because I find myself fighting engine a lot more than making my game/app..
(not only because it's not as optimized for the platform as Unity, but also because of too many issues moving project from version to version and having a lot of assets breaking, etc.)
wintry escarp
is the s7 a decent fast phone, without vr...just normal dev
keep hearing android is slow crap compared to ios
ive never had an android phone
meh, if I remove gearvr from the equation then the axon7 is the value android to get
neat cape
yeah I'm not interested in mobile dev either so it's muted for me too.
sharp swan
I would be more interested if I didn't have so much to learn about just the pc creation process. It's been a rough road just learning VR concepts on top of it all but when you factor in all the mobile stuff too, it's just something that I would need time to work with.
spring pond
Apple is hiring from oculus, magic leap, etc.
Oculus is totally not falling apart. It's hilarious every time i hear that
I'm actually really hype for where oculus goes next. They have loads of smart people and I feel like they got knocked on their butts this round. They are going to come out swinging next gen
@abstract gale Re: ResponsiveAA: yes only translucent and additive. Having your font be slightly emissive also does a lot for legibility IMO
abstract gale
thanks for the tip
wintry escarp
oculus will only fall apart when they finally lock it to facebook accounts
spring pond
That probably isn't that much of a problem
Gamers hate it, but they have 1billion users. You can't use an xbox without a microsoft account and nobody really cares
spring wolf
think people hate FB more than MS
but again, that may still be quite the minority
i know people not on FB but have MS accounts at least 😛
mighty carbon
@spring pond I sure hope they are just busy with something as I have not seen any activity in the Audio section of their forum and so far only 1 Oculus dev was trying to respond to all kind of questions.
spring pond
Their forums aren't super useful. Even the "special people" ones
mighty carbon
true :/
a lot of Oculus folks are from idSoftware (in Dallas department at least), so I guess legacy of not talking to users carried over 🙄
spring pond
I wouldn't be surprised if Oculus is like 500-600 people now. I can only think of 4 from id.
spring pond
Headset staff are mostly menlo park (FB) some in irvine still. There is a big research office in Seattle (Abrash & co) and game dev in Seattle and some other SDK folks. Mobile in Dallas. Another research office in Pittsburg
I feel like their might even be a wing of the game studio in Austin?
mighty carbon
nah, I don't think there is anything of Oculus in Austin
hard light
assuming they don't get sunk by Bethesda
who are increasingly looking like they have a fairly valid case
wicked oak
bethesda cant do shit against facebook
i guess it will be like all of those eternal litigations
like samsung vs apple or oracle vs google
after all, it works like that. Keep suing them until you win
and facebook has more budget for that than Zenimax
hard light
Zenimax, in terms of equity, are not that much smaller than Facebook
if they have a valid claim, they can totally sink Oculus should they so desire
wicked oak
they just want facebook money
carmack left becouse they didnt let him experiment with VR stuff
mighty carbon
that's what we know.. who knows what was going on behind the curtains
hard light
if Oculus is predicated on proprietary technology owned by Zenimax, everything else is irrelevant
wicked oak
took them years to do anything
hard light
doesn't matter
mighty carbon
I wonder if JC developed Oculus software at work or after work at home
hard light
they could have waited ten years for all it matters
it doesn't matter where he did it, most contracts stipulate that work you do at home still belongs to the company
mighty carbon
Fb could have just pay their way out
hard light
BS, I know, but that's what contracts often say
FB might not be able to afford to pay out, depending on what Zenimax are demanding
they may settle, but it may come with a substantial royalty
we'll see how it plays out anyway, but yeah, it could potentially sink Oculus
wintry escarp
anyone here in EU? is it possible to buy a snapdragon820 galaxy S7 here
mighty carbon
lol, is that why people developing for Vive mostly? 😛
wintry escarp
vive was the more complete system wasn't it
spring wolf
yeah i chose to buy vive because of the room scale aspect, was WAY more compelling after everything i read about it
and boy is it
granite jacinth
Vive op...but Rift Motion Controllers...much sexy
hard light
Oculus Touch isn't that great
they're very lightweight and don't seem to track as well as the Vive does
probably because the Oculus camera was never intended to track motion controls
mighty carbon
@hard light vblanco would disagree with you 😉
granite jacinth
I like them due to form factor
wintry escarp
rift has a problem though
granite jacinth
They all have problems
wintry escarp
since touch aren't supplied you wont be able to assume gamers have it
hard light
this is true
granite jacinth
I was only comparing MoCons anyway
hard light
you'll have to either make a game and target only motion controller users, or ignore the motion controls
it's an interesting catch 22
people won't buy the $200 controllers for lack of games, and developers won't target them for lack of users
granite jacinth
Aye, that is a problem that Oculus created for themselves
wintry escarp
rift is already a tiny market, touch only is miniscule
granite jacinth
VR is a tiny market
hard light
they have to start bundling the controllers, or they're potentially dead in the water
mighty carbon
mainstream VR is not dead, because it doesn't exist anyway 😃
granite jacinth
AR probably more so
wintry escarp
MR?
wintry escarp
AR
granite jacinth
Alternate Reality, Pokemon Go to an extent
wintry escarp
Augmented reality isn't it
granite jacinth
Yeah whatever
wintry escarp
anyone know if you can get snapdragon820 galaxyS7 in the uk?
granite jacinth
I have been thinking about multiverses for a few days
mighty carbon
Gear VR would be the closest to mainstream VR
wintry escarp
yup
ive been looking for sd820 S7, cant seem to get them here
would do gearvr and daydreamvr
granite jacinth
Samsung should just ship a GearVR to every house
mighty carbon
granite jacinth
Or bu dle them with purchase of Sphones
wintry escarp
Samsung are quite sucky
granite jacinth
Yeah, RawData had a lot of mo ey up front to do all their GameArt top notch
mighty carbon
~25k users
granite jacinth
And why do I keep missing letters
mighty carbon
not too shabby
spring wolf
nice, well made game it seems, i still gotta play more
granite jacinth
Also, they proced their game higher than most
wintry escarp
they had the big gearVR with note7 thing, that's cancelled here but still going in usa/india
spring wolf
and priced high compared to other games out there it seems
granite jacinth
Priced
spring wolf
yeah
granite jacinth
Yup
spring wolf
😄
granite jacinth
So...it is like NMS
They made a shiton of money, but only because they sold it higher price
So, let that be a leason
wintry escarp
i might just write off gearvr and get the Axon7, wait for daydream
granite jacinth
Lesson
wintry escarp
that was weird, I'm seeing things
spring wolf
wonder what the plausible far-future VR(or whatever can transport you to entirely diff world) would be... like where you can actually move anywhere normally etc
brain interface? 😛
yeah it was deleted
wintry escarp
woo
now it looks like youre saying your brain interface was deleted
ah something i meant to ask before
are things like glow overlaid? so they look wrong in vr?
or do screen effects still work right
spring wolf
think it might depend, i'm still learning but i was asking about an object outline which used custom render depth(i think) and post processing which i was told it'd probably not work right
vs doing some other method of highlighting like material changes/etc
wintry escarp
i had a bad feeling glow might look like its all on a plastic sheet infront of the scene
lapis glen
Is there a way to preview in VR without restarting UE4?
wintry escarp
why would you need to restart? cardboard doesnt
lapis glen
Because the ooption is greyed out
wintry escarp
hmm
can you selectively limit HMD movement in vr?
ie player tied to a chair clearly cant see all the way behind them
spring wolf
i've had VR/etc grayed out in UE4 if SteamVR isn't open before I open UE4... don't know about other platforms though
sharp swan
@wintry escarp that would be bad. so bad
abstract gale
anyone getting a room deal for oculus connect? 😃
wicked oak
"can you selectively limit HMD movement in vr?
ie player tied to a chair clearly cant see all the way behind them
"
never do something like that
you can add a postprocess like "you are out of bounds"
or block it with the chair geometry
but you should never ever block the player head or disrupt its movement
dry fjord
I reckon you should shake the camera about and then start zooming around the room
but only do it if they pirated it
but yeah, the static loading image on elite dangerous makes me want to puke
spring pond
@abstract gale All the hotels beside the centre are like $500/night 😦
abstract gale
hmm, not much of a deal is it
still marsh
@wicked oak @wintry escarp Yeah, never move their camera for them (including falling over on death etc.) It shouldn't be too hard to check if they can see an object and block their screen or something or hide it when they try to look at it.
dry fjord
inflict damage if they look the wrong way or go out of bounds
silk lodge
@wintry escarp you could black out the world if they look too far.
wintry escarp
that would break the claustrophobia effect I would be after
dry fjord
inflict damage and have a childs voice screaming "NO DADDY NO" if they look around
that'll be claustrophobic for some people
wintry escarp
does gearvr have headphones built in?
or just use phone speaker
giving up on ios, nothing I do gets a working osx
fleet veldt
Question for Vive owners: Do the motion controller buttons/pads map by default to generic gamepad support?
dry fjord
what's not working smiler?
wintry escarp
i tried the ssh compile into a VMware osx, but it can't see the free provisioning profile
unity see's it no problem :/
i thought the point of the ssh was not to need provision profiles on windows
it complains i don't have one, but xcode clearly sees one in osx
a high end android can't be that much worse than an iphone
neat cape
@fleet veldt someone posted the button ue inputs and what they are assigned to on the controller, but that was a week ago :/
abstract gale
no sticky?
chances are you probably want to setup mapping or make sure of what it is anyway.. pretty easy in action or axis mapping
not sure on the defaults
wintry escarp
can the gearvr use vulkan driver mode?
abstract gale
@upbeat kestrel any other assets planned? 9000 swords is fun great, would like to see more modular design like that from others
neat cape
Vive Controller input mapping https://forums.unrealengine.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=87367&d=1460020388
@fleet veldt
abstract gale
pinned messages has vive ue4 mapping, for what its worth
fleet veldt
@neat cape awesome thanks!
neat cape
My pleasure to help
pearl tangle
ah that pic is quite helpful thanks @neat cape I was doing some testing yesterday and using the shoulder button which I had assumed was the grip buttons since it's on the side and seems logical for a "shoulder" to me hah
upbeat kestrel
abstract gale
are the images in the steamvr template relevant to ue4 in general?
im assuming yes?
dry fjord
bind the keys, make an event, do a print and see
upbeat kestrel
but that would be work!
wintry escarp
how do you force android to draw fullscreen? its leaving the 3 onscreen gadgets
is it an android thing or ue4?
fleet veldt
Anyone willing to give an early build of my VR game a try? I've only tested it on Oculus but I'd love to know if it works on a Vive as well. The controls are fairly simple. It uses look to teleport for navigation and a single button for activating 3D ui elements and picking up physical objects.
You can download a packaged build here: http://ghostvector.com/ghostvector0.01.zip
here's a video clip as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Cl3jnwKk8 (warning music is a bit loud)
dry fjord
I've moved my lighthouses, now I'm trying to recalibrate and I won't start the floor step, it just sits there
has anyone else had that happen?
eh. restarting it fixed it
that's not how geometry works, vive
abstract gale
@fleet veldt u were very serious about the music being loud.. VERY
fleet veldt
@abstract gale yeah, it's youtube music.. I added it to the video because otherwise my VR headset mic just picked up a very overweight programmer grunting and breathing heavy which I am certain you would have found much more offensive lol
abstract gale
@dry fjord yea, same thing, was gonna say keep restarting it and make sure everything is visible.. something with base stations it seems
lmao
may want to mute mic regardless if its not intended to hear
@fleet veldt yep it worked. ue4 crashed on exiting the app through steam for me
looks great
w - works out as the teleport
fleet veldt
thanks 😃 so you did that with a vive? oh yeah i setup W as a keyboard bind for tleeport and A/D to turn
abstract gale
yea Vive, just didnt use controller
fleet veldt
cool. 😃 did it seem fluid for you? (no dropping below 90fps etc, and relavent to that is what graphics card you have?)
@abstract gale and i wonder if you could direct message me the log file under GhostVector\Saved\Logs so that i might try to trouble shoot whatever was causing the crash
abstract gale
not sure on fps, but its very smooth and no issues. i use bottom of the line for benchmarking, radeon r9 290
wintry escarp
are android phones language locked to where you buy them? or do they have a list of languages you pick from?
fleet veldt
i have a note4 and under settings->general i can pick from Duetsch, English, Spanish, French, Italian, Chinese and Japanese
@wintry escarp settings->general->language i meant
pearl tangle
what did you get?
pearl tangle
thats the story with most phones vs iphone hah
@fleet veldt im sticking on 90 but im running an overclocked 1080. no controllers showing up for me though to jump around to see if it changes?
fleet veldt
@pearl tangle Hi! yeah i only have an Oculus so i didn't know how to setup the vive controllers. if you have a wireless gamepad you can use the A and B buttons to teleport and interact, or left and right buttons on mouse, or W and E on keyboard
pearl tangle
should give the VR template 1 a go for it. Should just by default let you have the teleport working perfectly and the controllers
works on both oculus and steam vr
fleet veldt
yeah i've looked at that and it actually has different pawns for each. (I actually borrowed most of the teleport code from the template.)
pearl tangle
if you throw the controller stuff back in quickly I can give it a test out and see if there are any frame drops
im quite surprised the live updating render to texture 1 is performing so well. Whats your resolution on that screen?
fleet veldt
it's rendering at a very low resolution but then i'm puting that targeting overlay on it to make it feel a bit higher res than it is.
i think the scene render is 512x256
and the white targeting overlay is 2048x1024
i won't be able to update that tonight about to fall asleep on keyboard heh but .. you could use a gamepad, or even just hold your mouse and press the right button to activate teleporting. I had hoped the B button on the gamepad would map to some default Vive controller button press.
@pearl tangle oh, also i'm am throttling the updates of that rendertarget to 30fps
pearl tangle
ah gotcha yeah thats a smarter move. I tried doing that before back with DK2 on 970's and it was still a struggle with a 512 texture
dry fjord
my dad is better at vr shooters than me, wtf.
first time he'd ever touched it
he's just turned 60
wintry escarp
maybe he used to be an Atari whiz
dry fjord
yeah he was always big into games
mostly strategy though
I want to make some levels with better, more realistic lighting for HHH
he should support mods
pearl tangle
hes probably better at shooting in real life. thats what I find interesting seeing people that know how to do the stuff for real pick it up very quickly. my dad loved the brookhaven experiment. most of my friends are shit because they have no idea how to actually use a gun though hah
dry fjord
what's the brookhaven experiment?
I figured out all the guns real fast. couldn't do the zippo though. that took me two days.
ah cool, survival shooter
I doubt I'll ever play a horror VR game though. I'm bad enough with them on a screen.
pearl tangle
its the zombie 1 thats actually decent
although i enjoyed the demo more than the full version but i haven't played much of the full 1 yet. have been doing too much work in VR to get home and relax playing games with it lately hah
dry fjord
that was slightly shorter than expected
wicked oak
ive never used a gun, but i have really good aim in VR games
i find that its harder to aim in games that have really fast bullets. like in that multiplayer junkyard game
im currently adding training missions to my game, to prepare for its showing. Any ideas what a shooting galery should have?
neon egret
Aiming in VR is only easy if you have no spread
I find my self not hitting a lot in RawData
While bow and arrow works perfectly
neon egret
Well, it's fun
heady tundra
I think it's partly due to there being a tutorial for it aswell 😃
Has anyone set up physics based handling of objects for their VR game? I got it pretty much all set up but I got an issue with rotation that I cant figure out hwo to fix.
Movement works great but rotation is messy
depending on the object being used
For example, standard object, works great.
A door or a constrained thing, Chaos, you can hold your hand still and rotate the controller and it transfers, in fact, it conflicts with the movement too
if i remove rotation those objects work great, but then i cant rotate objects
First section is without rotation, second with
wicked oak
physics handle
the component
that one works quite well for everything
but it has some lag, so using it for the actual hands or held objects isnot very good
unless you go 100% fuckit like VRFunhouse or other games do, and make the hands physical
heady tundra
Ive adjusted the settings for the handle itself so now it sticks pretty well though, but what do you suggest instead? A mix between hard attach and physics handler for drawers/doors etc?
wicked oak
just using the handle for everything
heady tundra
Yeah thats what I do now.
wicked oak
at least everything external. On items you are attaching to the hand i prefer kinematic movement
but then no physics
mighty carbon
@wintry escarp I thought you were after S7
Do Touch/Vive controllers have force feedback?
neat cape
Yes, same as the steam controller
mighty carbon
Cool
Btw, I wonder if it's possible to hook up lighthouse and controllers to Gear VR using PC as gateway?
neat cape
well you could try to access them via openVR
wicked oak
some new gameplay from a shooting gallery i made today. As im going to show the game around, gotta have some kind of tutorial thing
abstract gale
@wicked oak thats some shooting gallery
wicked oak
its using the topdownscifi assets. I didnt make it
its from a team member who gave me the map
fleet veldt
@wicked oak yeah i'm using those assets as well. I seem them turn up in a lot of games.
wicked oak
it is a good pack, has a lot of things
wicked oak
scifi weapons dark
i like the shotgun, but i want the rifle to be original, and the pistol too
the problem is the scope
gets everyone confused
abstract gale
oh for the weapons, yea i meant the scifi topdown stuff
wicked oak
its just "scifi topdown"
abstract gale
yea i saw that
dry fjord
@vbkanco that shooting gallery, is that yours?
rather, can I have a copy to play please? 😄
I want to see what a level with good graphics looks like compared to H3vr
I should just make one
doing that
brb
wicked oak
h3vr has very serious gun stuff, with its realism
im going full arcade
weapons dont even reload, and they are like plasma weapons or laser weapons
hell, you even have a laser sword and time slow in the game, and you can use it to block bullets midair
in fact, you can also shoot enemy bullets with your own
that map was created to be a mobile map
from a prototype the artist made long ago
i repurposed it for VR
its Base Pass takes 2 milliseconds
granite jacinth
How does Hover Junkers keep their player on the vehicle if the vehicle is moving?
granite jacinth
Parent it on begin play or actually inside the pawn itself?
wicked oak
whenever, doesnt matter
dry fjord
I love the realism in h3vr but the graphics are so bad
they look amazing in vr but screenshots look awful
granite jacinth
Parenting it to root does nothing
dry fjord
made me wonder what a good set of textures would do
granite jacinth
But parenting to hmd...
wicked oak
becouse ive done it lol
granite jacinth
Lol
wicked oak
but for vehicles
granite jacinth
Nice
neat cape
keep in mind that hover junkers is unity btw, not ue4
neat cape
glad we had that talk
wicked oak
its basic mechanics are simple. I think you could do the whole "flying arond shooting people" in a couple days at most
of course, from basic prototype to full game there is quite a leap
abstract gale
anyone get trails with AA Method enabled, TemporalAA in post process? I get it in editor too when moving objects around
None or FXAA does not produce same result
graceful junco
Yes, that's how TAA works.
wicked oak
yup, thats what it does
it can work on some scenes, very well
not in others
on VR its kind of hit or miss
depends on the scene
and takes too much, like 1.5 ms out of 8 you have
im using it on that video, becouse its a very basic environment and i can afford it
FXAA takes nearly nothing
but looks worse
not even nearly as good as unity games that are using MSAA
or gearVR games that use it
dry fjord
doesn't UE do MSAA?
neat cape
nope, there is a MSAA implementation somewhere on the forums though I think...
dry fjord
that's a shame
granite jacinth
@wicked oak so, that did not work in 4.13
I am guessing it had to work with no capsule
With thr vr template
dry fjord
I'm looking at the VR template now. apart from adding BP_MotionController to your scene, what else do you need to do?
granite jacinth
No idea
But out of the box, I cant get it to move on a moving platform
Maybe I am being dumb
I spawn the damn thing on top of a moving platform
dry fjord
did you get the controllers and basic locomotion working?
the first time I put the BP into a basic platform level it was ok, but one hand was offset
the second time it embedded me in the platform
my room setup is fine though
oh and the second hand didn't show
and no interactivity
is there a tutorial that goes with the template that I can't find?
granite jacinth
So, the solutions i found was using sequencer
neat cape
maybe look in the update notes for 4.13 maybe it's linked there
dry fjord
ah it's that new? thanks
granite jacinth
Controllers and loco work in 4.13 just fine
Just need to figure out this stupid movement with something else
wintry escarp
OSX question. anyone know if you can use ue4 on mavericks, or does it need elcapitan?
spring wolf
10.9.2 or later the internets seem to say
wintry escarp
hmmmm
worn magnet
Just got a vive the other day. I cant get the controllers to pair. I have a usb 3.0 pci-e card. I have reinstalled steam. and steamvr. I have no idea why they wont pair, they also keep saying they need a firmware update. Ive done the same firmware update dozens of times. I am really at a loss here.
neat cape
theres a little guide on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4dnvzc/psa_things_to_try_if_youre_having_controller/
maybe this could help you
abstract gale
@worn magnet restarting the base stations, making sure the channels are correct -
what does steamVR compositor say?
wintry escarp
it says "we have your money....muahahahahahhahahahah"
worn magnet
I got it figured out finally ty though!
abstract gale
nice
empty sundial
@worn magnet just remember never to use a usb 3 port. vive components really don't play well with usb3
dunno why
worn magnet
That's strange. Everything I saw on the forums said otherwise. But I will keep that in mind!
fleet veldt
Does the Vive have a built in microphone like the Oculus CV1?
wintry escarp
rift is locked down isn't it, can only distribute games on their store, same as the gearvr
hopefully I can have a look at one on Tuesday when they go on sale here
gnighty
dry fjord
games from the oculus store only run on the rift I think, even if they're also available on steam for the vive
there was a library that lets you use the vive on the oculus store but I don't think it always works
like they're doing anything they can to block it from oculus home
pallid echo
Anything bought from Oculus Home is allowed to be played on any HMD if the game supports it.
However there are some games that will be exclusive to Oculus Home and can only be sold/distributed through 'Home' but they are still allowed to be played on any HMD.
There was a period of time where Oculus tried to have exclusive titles only for the Rift but they got a ton of crap from consumers. Not to mention any DRM methods they used were broken immediately after they were implemented.
snow raft
heh, well thats a step in the right direction
neon egret
Platform or Hardware exclusive titles... I hate it
Hope they just open up all games for every hardware that supports it
dry fjord
yeah but you're potentially giving up a lot of income
there is and always will be a big fucking push against secondary game aggregators like uplay, origin, etc
as shitty as it is, if you deviate from steam you're asking for trouble
wintry escarp
I was thinking more that rift is a desktop device, if I write a desktop game it should be freely distributable any way I see fit
you can do as you like with vive cant you?
wicked oak
no, you are earning more
becouse if oculus gives you money
they want it back
so they give you exposure
oculus doesnt want you to get hidden deep in the store with no marketing, becouse then they wouldnt get their money back from oculus store 30%
so if oculus gives you money, they are going to "sponsor" you for sure with marketing and stuff
valve has done this too
and Sony too, wich is what im applying for
wintry escarp
it still sucks, you can spend a year making a game and oculus say "we don't feel its right for our store"....you're screwed
wicked oak
i mean, the winner of Playstation Awards gets 10k in cash, but has to sell exclusivity
10k for exclusivity its a inmensely bad deal
but they sponsor you with marketing and stuff, and thats WAY more worth it
if its not right for oculus store you release in Steam and done
what im saying basically, is that right now there is a shit ton of games getting released on steam
a ridiculous amount of small VR games
if oculus sponsors you, they give you marketing, AND money to stand out from that small crowd
dry fjord
what makes you think the oculus store is about profit?
I mean, short term profit
why would anyone care a whit about profit right now when everyone's goal is to dominate the future, millions of times larger VR market?
this is literally just a "we have more games" PR stunt
wicked oak
they decrease the risk of VR development by a massive amount
dry fjord
that's too much of a blanket statement, can you be more specific?
wicked oak
the absolute biggest success you can do on VR atm is raw data
wich has got 1 million in sales
that is a game that more or less 1 in every 4 vive owners have
compare it to a console or pc game
dry fjord
there's no denying that good marketing and good reviews work
but that's actually the example that the oculus store isn't that great for developers
it has a pecking order, and now raw data is at the top
it's an artificial pecking order
if oculus don't like your game, it either won't make it on the store, or they'll simply accept it to fill out the catalogue
wicked oak
and if oculus sponsors you you are going to get bumped there
if they dont, you just release it also on Steam
wicked oak
but steam visibility is also absolutely terrible
there are WAY too many games getting released
dry fjord
yeah, I don't think you can market yourself that effectively on steam itself
dry fjord
any numbers on how many titles are being sold on oculus home versus vr titles on steam?
dry fjord
I don't know who they are
wicked oak
but ive heard it has good sales
ill release my VRMultigames on the steam store ported to oculus, for free
that way ill see the comparaison
dry fjord
that'd be handy to know
you can be our test case then 😉
there's a few factors I think that can push it in either direction in the long run
the vive works better with steam and the rift works better with oculus home
that's obvious, right?
wicked oak
the whole reason i released VR multigames was to know stats
dry fjord
when you put on your headset you're going to prefer the dashboard that it supports as opposed to the one where you have to manually launch it and then throw on the headset
wicked oak
for example, right now few people other than like 10 ultradedicated people play it
even after several updates, cuz no one knows it exists
dry fjord
and when it comes to which HMD consumers choose, they're going to go with the cheapest and easiest one to use, even if it's of lower quality
dry fjord
mate I'll play it, I;'ll go find it
dry fjord
cool, good luck!
wicked oak
given that im already in playstation awards spain, it would be odd to get denied
in fact, it would make no fucking sense at all
dry fjord
so IMO while the vive is better, I think regular people might lean towards the oculus
wicked oak
"so im building a playstation exclusive, but i cant get devkits?"
people will lean towards the PSVr
dry fjord
haha how are you in the awards if you're not a developer?
wicked oak
becouse i showed them a Vive prototype
dry fjord
yeah, they probably will
wicked oak
Vive/Oculus in fact
dry fjord
oh nice
wicked oak
it would be the only game of its kind on psvr
dry fjord
how is fast-scrolling to the teleport destination nausea wise? pretty good?
dry fjord
I mean how did you find it with it enabled?
dry fjord
cool
dry fjord
that's good, a chance for your inner ear to settle
wicked oak
the cool thing is that it allows for fancy stuff like slashing enemies mid-air
dry fjord
oh yeah, genji style
I wonder how fast everyone is going to get bored with games like this
before they each need something distinctive
dry fjord
I think multiplayer will help the lifespan a lot
wintry escarp
why doesn't psvr cause sickness if its only 60hz?
wicked oak
becouse its not 60 hz
its 120
games can chose to render at 90 or 120
i think also 60 but its ill advised
then it just timewarps it
like oculus async timewarp
wich, btw, its FAAAAAR better than htc vive software
my game runs way better on oculus than on vive
its inmediately noticeable
wicked oak
?
spring wolf
PSVR has nothign to do with your TV
wicked oak
it goes kind of "direct mode"
spring wolf
think maybe that box has an output for the TV (3rd camera/etc) and output for PSVR?
not sure if that's hwo it wires up or not
just knwo it does do split
so people can watch
dry fjord
vive doesn't have sub-frame reprojection?
I did not know that
that's a genuinely good feature, they need that
wintry escarp
it all seems suspicious, my pc isn't good enough for VR yet a console that struggles to do full hd is fine
wicked oak
no they dont
if you are near 90 fps, it locks you to 45
and uses reprojection
but if you are at 90 fps it doesnt have any kind of reprojection
its annoying as fuck
becouse if you go past 8.5 miliseconds it goest to 45 fps
oculus just async timewarps everything smoothly
dry fjord
isn't reprojecting at 45 the same as oculus reprojecting at 37 on the DK2?
or does oculus do something trickier?
wicked oak
oculus timewarping is way better
becouse its async, it doesnt vsync you like the vive one
its also able to do positional timewarp
sharp swan
guys. what would cause billboards to only render in one eye in VR?
sharp swan
only on my anus but anyway.... this billboard was working before updating to 4.13 . Now I know it's not 4.13 per se because I have tested it in a blank project in 4.13 and it works. So there must be some setting that is causing it
dry fjord
got a screenshot of your setup?
sharp swan
nope. it's the boss' copy. Mine works :/
I have an updated blueprint over him tho. he is using a slightly older one atm
dry fjord
fix that first
sharp swan
i've been trying to get him to use the updated blueprint for a while but his works usually. The thing is, the method I am using is the same so there is not going to be a difference. It's just for some reason on his build, the Billboard only renders in one eye. It worked in 4.12, but he just updated (which could be the problem as he's not the best with code management). Maybe he fixed something else and broke this. Im not sure so I thought I would ask. See I know people have wanted to render billboards in one eye for a while so I thought they might have added a flag for that
I just got him to switch to Material Billboard and that rendered fine. So this seems to be something with the Sprite Billboard which has had a history of buggyness with Stereo Instanced Rendering. I wonder if that bug has popped up again
wicked oak
might be instanced stereo
i had that same problem too
but mine also didnt work on a Material billboard
sharp swan
yeah I told him that might be the problem and to turn it off and see but he was reluctant so he switched to material bb and it worked.
it's lucky I built it with sprites, material or mesh icons. ^_^
sharp swan
it still begs the question. why would SIR fuck up a sprite rendering ?
and why doesn't it do the same thing on my version
wicked oak
probably becouse the sprite is rendered as a screenspace quad
instead of a 3d mesh in the game world
kind of like a interface element
sharp swan
that doesn't really explain why it works in 4.12 with SIR enabled nor why it works in my copy of 4.12 and 4.13. Unless it's bugged
wintry escarp
anyone know if new gearvr has improved optics, or just new connector and all black
wintry escarp
its currently a freebie again with new edge7
wintry escarp
I also see it has a passthrough usb port, so you can plug in your gamepad
its a freebie in the ik, from sept14 to oct 5
uk
maybe to make up for note7 fiasco
wicked oak
note7 gear vr is living on the absolute limit
wintry escarp
note7 is same speed as edge7
mighty carbon
T-mobile in US stopped selling Note 7 until further notice
wintry escarp
same here
ffs, gearvr lets you move it back/forward but no ipd
ive got a huge noggin
why are people using by controllers with gearvr when android lets you plug a gamepad straight in
bt
mighty carbon
Because they might not have bt controller
wintry escarp
you mean they might not have a wired connector
mighty carbon
Your question sounds odd 😜
wintry escarp
how?
real needle
Hi is anyone able to help me with attaching objects to the motion controllers? I have used the motion controllers in the VR template and I have managed to get it so I pick them up but I cant drop them. Furthermore in the VR template it attaches the root component of the item to the controller but that doesn't work and I have to attach the static mesh instead.
dusky moon
Yow guys! question is ... Can I sli one 980ti with a 1070 ?! Is it going to work ?
sharp swan
I recall something about multi-card SLi a while back but I dunno if they implemented it yet. I would think it's only sharing ram and cores anyway (from performance in Sli that I have seen) so technically it sounds feasible
dusky moon
hmmm cool... but it's not going to do me any good in VR and UE4 right ?!
seems like it's not yet supported
sharp swan
nope UE doesn't work in a way that makes SLi more performant from what I have been told.
pallid echo
@dusky moon I'm pretty sure the ability to combine two unmatching cards works no problem. However like Marc said, won't do you any good in UE4.
dusky moon
@pallid echo Yep I see ... we got to wait to get sli support . let's hope it comes in 2017
sharp swan
Sli support probably aint gonna happen in UE. I mean it can do it , but if there is no advantage then there is no priority on the roadmap
noble crater
has anyone built a 2-handed scale/rotate/translate?
upbeat kestrel
anyone know what kind of controls we have for the display mirror yet? Is it possible to give it its own UI and that kind of stuff?
@barren rose didn't you do some kind of stuff with this?
upbeat kestrel
dafuq
is there no way to unlock the camera from the HMD anymore?
I need a static view from a camera, and the HMD location and rotation should just be discarded
disabling "Lock to HMD" on the camera makes no difference at all
that seems like it's broken
barren rose
I have a plugin that lets you render an arbitrary render target to the game viewport seperate from the hmd
But it requires an engine change
I submitted a PR but it was put on hold / rejected without closed due to possible mixed reality changes that haven't happened yet
upbeat kestrel
engine change is fine with me if you're willing to part with it
barren rose
Aye, I haven't tried it in 4.13 yet, I need to change some code due to some engine changes, but aye
Will let you know after I've done that
upbeat kestrel
4.12 is probably fine too
upbeat kestrel
in the meantime... is there really no way to unlock camera from HMD?
that seems like a bug
confirmed in 4.13 and 4.12 with a vive
4.11 locks location, but not orientation
er
unlocks I guess?
no, wait, that seems to be consistent.
unchecking "Lock to HMD" in a camera component makes sure the camera location stays where the component is located, but it still follows HMD orientation.
in 4.13 it doesn't even do that - it just ignores the setting completely
dry fjord
got a design question, since I haven't played a game with an example of this yet. how do you stop the player teleporting near a wall and then walking through it?
does physically blocking the camera progression cause nausea?
pallid echo
@dry fjord Have to do some hacks since there is no real way to stop the camera. One way is to restrict the player from getting close enough to the wall.
dry fjord
true, that's a fairly good solution for some environments
pallid echo
Another is during teleportation you setup checks to say If player is too close to the wall (based on whatever you want) then you define a teleport location and force the player to go there instead (i.e. take location of the spot they are not supposed to go and push them back a few units)
static merlin
@dry fjord an interesting one I've seen
is when they are colliding
you move the base actor in the opposite direction
until they aren't colliding anymore
I believe that is something the game "Vertigo" was experimenting with
otherwise there is always the option to disable their hands if they are colliding
something "Gnomes and Goblins" does
static merlin
nps
granite jacinth
Man
What an amazing amd crazy weekend at Seattle VRHackathon
And
Going on just 6 hr of sleep for the past 4 days....sigh
And still got to get to school by 11am
Tomorrow
Op
neon egret
Found out that if you place your character in the szene and select it, the camera gets moved by moving the HMD, even without hitting play.
wintry escarp
is there a Samsung deal on in the usa? buy top phone get a free gearvr...until oct 5
upbeat kestrel
that doesn't sound like a question @wintry escarp 😛
wintry escarp
oct 5th is google presentation...timing seems a bit suspect
mighty carbon
@wintry escarp Saw on reddit someone got S7 Edge and free GVR
no word whether it was new 2016 GVR or older one
wintry escarp
here its the new black one
rigid quiver
Looks like this one goes until oct 9. https://samsungpromotions.com/
wintry escarp
maybe I'm too suspicious, just seemed suspect the offer ends the day google will announce how good/bad daydream is etc
bbl
spring pond
As much as I don't plan to target GearVR I am really interested to see what is announced there
I hope GearVR forces DayDream and more broad solutions to up their game (with positional tracking)
mighty carbon
Galaxy S8 is rumored to have 4k screen and dual cameras (like iPhone 7+)
hopefully they drop exploding battery feature 😛
pallid echo
Aw yeah
My Razer OSVR HDK 2 just got delivered.
Lets hope its better than the HDK 1's.
spring pond
If its based on the sensics dSight you better keep hoping :/
pallid echo
It probably is which would make me very sad.
fresh laurel
wintry escarp
s8 isn't until next spring though
mighty carbon
supposedly they are moving it for earlier release due to fiasco with Note 7
dry fjord
yeah it turned out the det cap in the S7 didn't always go off, they want the S8 to reliably explode
wintry escarp
how does an s7 edge last in vr?
mighty carbon
hah 😃
but yeah, phone get hot when used for VR
Don't expect Daydream phones run any cooler, @wintry escarp 😉
wintry escarp
its seems unlikely they would block a very fast phone from daydream for not having the right chip in it, its a worry about EU galaxyS7
its uses Exynos, not snapdragon
granite jacinth
Check out @victorburgosG3's Tweet: https://twitter.com/victorburgosG3/status/777622218675097600?s=09
One of a few vids from this past weekend
still marsh
Anyone know why this doesn't work? https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/BlueprintAPI/Input/HeadMountedDisplay/SetClippingPlanes/index.html
slim raft
Hello, I'm trying to improve the image quality while I'm looking across my model home. It looks grainy and pixelated when I'm on the other side of the home. Anything I can do to fix this?
still marsh
@slim raft Change anti-aliasing from TemporalAA to FXAA or vice versa
If you have a post process volume in the room (or the one on the player camera) you can see it there, just search "Anti" on the post process settings
(AFK now - just look at Anti-Aliasing, that's usually the cause.)
Though if you're using VR, be careful. AA is expensive, but it sounds like you have a small area so it should be ok. (afk)
slim raft
Thanks Geoff, I'll give it a try
This is the issue here, you can see the pixilation on the carpet
Do I have to rebuild lighting or just keep banging my head against the wall
dry fjord
that looks like anisotropy to me
slim raft
it's just from across the home it looks fuzzy
dry fjord
try forcing it to 16x, a lot of automatic optimizations come in when you start VR
force it in the console maybe
slim raft
command?
dry fjord
no idea, have to google it
you could also check out the mip levels of the carpet
make sure they've all been created
fool with the mip bias in the material for the carpet
dry fjord
is this in the editor?
I see editor gizmos
you should be able to open the texture and see how many mips were created for it. if it's not power of two, it won't have made any
slim raft
about 500 sq ft
I'm just changing as much as I can to 4096 now
😄
Thanks for the help @dry fjord
dry fjord
haha
I mean what pixel dimensions
definitely always do power of two
then you get mipmaps
slim raft
this is my first 4k house and 2nd VR house
so it's been a "learning experience"
aka a test in my patience
slim raft
no, just the floors
dry fjord
and you really could just repeat a reasonable sized piece of carpet instead of having every pixel unique
slim raft
well most of the 2nd floor is carpet
This is my carpet
I'm actually putting tile over some of it
dry fjord
that's fine, but you could repeat a small piece of it and save a ton of memory
or have ultra high detail carpet
make that small piece 4k
is that what you're doing already?
abstract gale
@still marsh yea set clipping planes doesnt seem to do..anything
dry fjord
cool
slim raft
as of now
slim raft
UVs
dry fjord
ah yes
ok
that's not just your lightmap UVs right?
that's your actual texture UVs?
slim raft
this is chan 0
first one was chan 1
I had to change pretty much everything to chan 1 to keep it looking consistant
dry fjord
yeah
slim raft
when the file was imported from revit there was a lot of cleaning up to do
dry fjord
so, how to explain this
right now each polygon of your floor uses a different part of the terxture
that's massively wasteful
for texture UVs you can stack them and re-use parts of the texture
so you could increase the detail in the carpet, still use a 4k texture, but repeat it across the floor
what it'll end up looking like is the UVs will be way larger than the texture, and stacked
lemme find an example
so here's my texture UVs for a vase:
slim raft
yes
dry fjord
and here's my lightmap UVs:
only lightmap UVs NEED to be laid out like that, OR if you really do have a custom texture, say like a mech, a car, or a person
but floor? that wants to be high detail and can afford to repeat
sam,e for tiles
you'd only do one tile in the texture, then repeat it
right now you're sacrificing pixel density to make each part of it unique
but nobody would ever know if you took a meter of it and repeated it
that meter can then have way more detail
for VR that matters
slim raft
ok, pm you
dry fjord
ok
full junco
does the steamvr or the oculus sdk already support vulkan or only dx11?
so if the vulkan support in ue4 would be finished, would we still have to wait for them to support it in their sdks or could we start using vulkan in out vr games?
full junco
thats about doom
full junco
doom isnt related to valve
upper locust
it doesnt quite look like it
dry fjord
yeah valve makes overwatch, not doom
full junco
does doom have a vr mode?
upper locust
valve doesnt make overwatch
full junco
I heard about that, but is it released already?
dry fjord
sorry I mean league of legends
upper locust
THATS BLIZZARD FFS
dry fjord
fantastic valve game
upper locust
THATS RIOT
dry fjord
you're riot
dry fjord
that doesn't sound right. dota is warcraft
dry fjord
I'm fucking with you
full junco
"Dota 2 is a free-to-play multiplayer online battle arena (MOBA) video game developed and published by Valve Corporation for Microsoft Windows, OS X, and Linux"
full junco
since vulkan is basically the main API of doom now (right?) once they release the vr thing they have to support vulkan in vr, right?
so by that time steamvr and oculus sdks have to support vulkan if they don't now
dry fjord
I can't imagine that adding VR support to vulkan is that hard
but it might be a custom implementation
doom does some freakay shit
full junco
I don't mean adding vr support to vulkan, thats hopefully done, I mean making the steamvr sdk and oculus sdk support vulkan
dry fjord
but I would imagine vulkan and VR is on the cards for everyone
yeah I know
best place to ask is steam and oculus developer support
there might be a roadmap
upper locust
if vulkan doesnt have vr support, thats stupid
dry fjord
it's a graphics api
upper locust
i mean, they built it off of mantle, which was a pretty decent api, it just had to also work with nvidia gpu, and adding vr support isnt that haard
dry fjord
I imagine VR support is up to the engine built on it
upper locust
i thought vulkan was an api
full junco
well its not so important that I would ask valve or oculus directly since atm ue4 doesnt even support it fully
but hopefully they finish the vulkan support soon
dry fjord
just out of curiosity I think it's a good question. email gaben
but do it in ghetto lingo
he loves that
full junco
I'm always reading through all commits regarding vulkan in the ue4 master branch... I love to see the progress
dry fjord
and tickle his belly while you do it
it might be a good question for Epic then
they'll have a good idea of what's coming
full junco
currently they don't support vulkan on sm5 and sm5 is needed for vr I think
not sure if you can do vr with sm4?
upper locust
sm5?
full junco
shader model 5
dry fjord
I imagine sm5 makes a big difference
full junco
difference to what?
dry fjord
at least in speed
full junco
well sm4 is faster since it supports less features 😛
some advanced rendering stuff just gets disabled when you run your game in sm4
neat cape
@dry fjord you goddamn magnificent troll :P I chuckled
dry fjord
😉
real needle
Hey fellows,
Finally booked my flights for Oculus Connect, now looking for a palce to crash. Anyone have a couch I could use for a couple of days? 😃
upbeat kestrel
Where and when is that again?
shadow vault
I've been trying to package a Google VR game, it's currently an empty project and I've followed the Google VR quickstart guide pretty much down to the word.
But the packaging keeps failing. Is it okay to have later versions of NDK, JDK and Android SDK or do I need to have exactly the versions installed specified in the guide?
real needle
@upbeat kestrel Hey,
It's on October 5 - 7, San Jose, CA
Flying there from Sweden on the 3rd, and the team has a room for the duration of the event only, so looking for a place the rest of the nights.
storm vortex
Does anyone know if it is possible to use the features of the vr template but temporarily use mouse control when a vive is unavailable? We only have one in my office with multiple vr projects going on at once!
real needle
@storm vortex you should be able to check for a vr headset and set the camera and inputs accordingly.
I think the VR template has the check in BP somewhere to see which headset is connected.
upbeat kestrel
ah nice 😃
snow raft
do you have to be in VR mode to use motion controls in the editor?
upbeat kestrel
for the vive, the HMD needs to be active in order for motion controllers to work
snow raft
cheers
slim raft
Hi all, I just added this 4k flooring to my model and it's not looking very 4k
I have the mipmap set to 0 and it's a 4096 texture
sharp swan
tiling a bit wierd?