game-jam-chat

[eternal stirrup]

And I completely forgot about the music

What a idiot I am

[gaunt copper]

@mental elk i wont be streaming at verylist not before xmas, need to do finish some projects this week (not UE4 related) ;p

[cedar axle]

I added sounds surprisingly fast, but only ambient noises and music. Wish had more time to find interaction samples and probably would voice over few things. But mechanic took like 90% of time

[eternal stirrup]

@thick breach whats ur game?

[cedar axle]

oh, I've seen you posts in twitter, very cute!

Was it you, right?

[eternal stirrup]

Yours a good competitor for tiny award

[mental elk]

Take your time bro! It's christmas 🙂

[eternal stirrup]

Wowww

What

[mental elk]

But it's the zip file or pak file for the tiny thing?

[eternal stirrup]

How did you manage to fix that?

[mental elk]

Because mine is 52mb zip

[glass fossil]

the folder

not the rar

[mental elk]

ok ok

[rigid fog]

https://itch.io/jam/2020-epic-megajam/rate/851968

[eternal stirrup]

I would have legit died from a heart attack if my game was over 1gb

I was on a brink of collapse, literally

[rigid fog]

I don't think I have the energy to make prettier cover art lol

[glass fossil]

I was surprised to find my game is like 250mb unpacked

i expected more

[rigid fog]

I probably could have gotten it down under 100MB myself...if I had one more day

[violet bone]

Can we change description and stuff on the itch page? Other than the actual files?

[rigid fog]

Yeah, I just did

[violet bone]

I mean is it allowed by rules

[pale hatch]

My buddy missed the deadline by 30 seconds, it was already uploading.

[rigid fog]

Only way I was able to submit

If I tried to fill it all out, I would have lost hard 🙂

[granite wedge]

I wasted my time typing description stuff on itch page instead of the submission, then found out with 5 mins to go there was a submission button

[eternal stirrup]

Bdrooo XD

[pale hatch]

I guess there is no way to make an exception?

[rigid fog]

Nope

[pale hatch]

Dude no slept it for 3 days

[eternal stirrup]

same

[pale hatch]

omg ow

[solid abyss]

Finally I submitted a game that works, has no bugs, is enjoyable to play, and has a working endgame

[rigid fog]

Thems are the ways though sadly 😦

[eternal stirrup]

I havent slept for 7 days straight

12 hours of work each day

I lost a bit of sight

[rigid fog]

I wish I had more time to playtest/polish, but that's always.

I ended up doing 3 builds in 15 mins

[eternal stirrup]

I did 4 builds in 1 hour

[cedar axle]

Oh yes

[eternal stirrup]

@solid abyss whats ur game

[rigid fog]

12 mins, my bad

[cedar axle]

I literally KNOW my bugs, but they kind of blend into gameplay

[solid abyss]

@eternal stirrup Eons Passed.. same as Shadowriver (I was part of his team)

[rigid fog]

Kept finding bugs/random things I didn't like int eh first two.

[eternal stirrup]

Its really nice to see people like me who struggle and join up to talk about their journey thorughout this Jam

I will make a devlog about my game, have a lot to talk about

I enjoy making devlogs :D

[solid abyss]

even though I can't program a single thing except UI, our team had the wonderful @gaunt copper .. and his fast PC and internet 😄

not a single bug as far as I know in our game

[rigid fog]

lol

I did a "devlog" of the jam

Basically a journal

[solid abyss]

🤟

[lethal spire]

Hi guys! Look what my friends and I made for the Jam!
https://co5monaut.itch.io/do-not-take-your-eyes-away-from-the-red-fridge

[cedar axle]

Ok people, thank you all, wish you good time of day wherever you are and good luck with your submission! For me it's finally Cyberpunk time!

[eternal stirrup]

Looks nice

Yes

Cyberpunk

Finally I can play lol

Havent played any games since November

[nimble sphinx]

can i update my submission?

i found a fucking bug

[solid abyss]

you can upload it, but it won't count.

[nimble sphinx]

oh for fucks sake

[wet rivet]

@rigid fog you can submit without filling out the info?

[nimble sphinx]

where the fuck did that trigger volume go honestly

[wet rivet]

I never knew that that’s interesting

[valid garnet]

Here's what me and my team of 5 made for the Epic Megajam! https://rebelcampgames.itch.io/ex-temperus

[solid abyss]

@wet rivet .. I think the point is that itch.io page can be edited later. So filling only the required minimum stuff should do the trick

[eternal stirrup]

I edited the gameplay link video

Will that not count as well?

[valid garnet]

video can be updated still

just not the game build. They look at the file publish date

[tiny hollow]

Here's what my team of 4 came up with: https://grumblebunny.itch.io/life-on-cloud-farms

[rigid fog]

Here's my "journey/journal" from start to finish basically of my MegaJam experience. I need to clean it up a bit, but it's readable 🙂 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q_jEeRPkmA6nPrLgmGF9eyXdGZLSNLUc41TMa1RtVto/edit?usp=sharing

[valid garnet]

@rigid fog interesting! will read

[eternal stirrup]

I wish I learned Houdini b4 the Jam

But i was too lazy

So all the magic was Niagara Blender and Mixer

Wbu guys

[rigid fog]

Heh, it's hard sometimes. I've done so many of these though, not as many as I would like lately (also Epic's fault for changing it to seasons), but it's fun 🙂

[eternal stirrup]

How did u make the textures models vfx sfx?

[snow lintel]

I couldn't get the houdini plugin to work properly 😦

[eternal stirrup]

How many Jams Epic does in a single year? This was my first

@snow lintel did you make smth with Houdini?

[rigid fog]

4/year usually, but only 3 this year

[snow lintel]

I was trying to with the starter kits, but nothing would load ;D

[rigid fog]

Used to be 12 a year...

[nimble sphinx]

so if i update it now it will get disqualified

[rigid fog]

Those were good days

[nimble sphinx]

well its a rip

[eternal stirrup]

We all want to update

[gaunt copper]

@eternal stirrup usally 4 but this year was wierd and was only 2

[eternal stirrup]

But we simply cant

[nimble sphinx]

github messing up my local and i missed it

[snow lintel]

ended up just using in a bunch of megascans things instead of using the procedural rocks like I had planned 😦

[rigid fog]

@gaunt copper oh, it was only 2? I though this was 3rd

I did summer, I thought winter was in jan/feb

[gaunt copper]

there was only this jam and spring one

[eternal stirrup]

SideFX did their first Jam this year?

The ones that made Houdini

I wanna join up their Jam for some Houdini action and see what I can do

[glass fossil]

does anyone know how i can go about requesting a late submission (an email perhaps)?

we were 1 min late due to internet connection issues

[rigid fog]

@glass fossil 100% not possible

[gaunt copper]

@glass fossil submit while uploading, it seems to work

in next jam

[rigid fog]

@gaunt copper oh, you were able to?

I couldn't because the game wasn't filling up in the top section

I had to refresh page a few times

[gaunt copper]

i forgot to hit save ;p hit save and my file appered minutes after dealine

it seems start of upload time counts

[rigid fog]

Ah, hm

[gaunt copper]

also in last jam sec before deadline i probably make it for exact same reason because i fubmited when was uploading

[eternal stirrup]

My plans were to make the Game yesterday and polish up today. And instead I did like 50% of the game today lmao

So the golden lesson here kids, If a Jam ends in 7 days, you should think it ends in 6 days lol

[nimble sphinx]

So sad rigth now
GitHub fucked me, artist pushed something last minute and i didnt pay attention, it nuked a trigger i added last minute and now the game has no ending. I think im gona cry.

[eternal stirrup]

Wdym Github

U were working with a team?

[nimble sphinx]

yeah

[eternal stirrup]

Thats why I work alone

[gaunt copper]

@nimble sphinx sont worry ;] our winning entry also didnt have ending due to bug and we won ^^'

[nimble sphinx]

if i update it its a rip
if i leave it its a rip

[gaunt copper]

probably by luck

[eternal stirrup]

Yeah

[nimble sphinx]

we wont win

[eternal stirrup]

Better luck next time mate

I got a lot of experience out of thid at least, even if I dont win

[rigid fog]

You'd be surprised who wins and who doesn't

[solid abyss]

things happen.. people sulk over it. I did it in last few jams

[rigid fog]

Sometimes...it doesn't make any sense 🙂

[eternal stirrup]

Yeah

[gaunt copper]

Yea there lot of unexpected wins in this jam ;p

[nimble sphinx]

not a chance, we missing the whole cult sacrafice memory sequence and the outrro where you hear yourself throwing a molotov at the house as you drive away and hear the sirens

[eternal stirrup]

I uploaded once at 4 AM

[gaunt copper]

very frequintly

[eternal stirrup]

I was ahout to fucking collapse, thankfully this Jam ended in 1 AM locally

They prolly dont play all the games

[gaunt copper]

from all scoing i had only once i think predicted potential winters, usally one one or 2 are gettings ins

[eternal stirrup]

They pick out randomly

[dawn lily]

I'm a little sad i couldn't finish my game but I was expecting that with the amount of work I had this week sadly. Hopefully next time and happy to see all the submissions guys, good job!

[nimble sphinx]

its just missing

you walk in the sacrafice room and its empty

[gaunt copper]

Upload even if it's not finished ;]

its all about fun

[rigid fog]

Yeah, I don't get why people don't submit even unfinished

[gaunt copper]

your unfinished game may be better then 50

%

[eternal stirrup]

What motivated me to finish my game is that I promised my Dad that I would participate

[gaunt copper]

entries

[rigid fog]

It's still a portfolio piece

You spend some time and energy into something, don't let it go to waste.

[nimble sphinx]

idk if i should update and say bye to submission
or if i should wait until end of jam, hoping for the impossible and then update

[eternal stirrup]

My Dad always asked if I made the game, and I would be hella sad to tell him I didnt. Thats what motivated me the most. Family :D

[nimble sphinx]

I am so buffled

[dawn lily]

yeah i know what you mean man, that's what i did for the last jam and i was actually happy when you played my submission on your stream but this time it's missing some basic stuff so oh well haha

[nimble sphinx]

im just staring out of my head in sheer disbelief

[eternal stirrup]

I think Ima play some of the Jam entries and make a vid

Think its gonna be fun

[nimble sphinx]

Im ashamed by my creation

[eternal stirrup]

Well

I kinda am also

There are quite some buhs

Bugs

[nimble sphinx]

its so good

but the github fuckup at the end

[eternal stirrup]

How

Did it fuck you up

?

I never worked with github

[nimble sphinx]

so it was like, my artist made a desk

so im like ye ye let me pull that in real quick

[eternal stirrup]

3d model?

[nimble sphinx]

yeah

[eternal stirrup]

Okay okay listening

[nimble sphinx]

but he wasnt up to date or something and he pushed some changes witch were from a later date

me in a fucking hurry dont check, ignore warnings and slap down the desk everywhere

meanwhile the level got set back and my trigger I added like 5 minutes before was gone from the project

too bad i only reallized it after submitting

cuz how would a desk fuck up a trigger rigth

well, fuck me

im gonna update it and take the F for the jam

its a dead game

[eternal stirrup]

Yeah thats why you should always think that Jam ends earlier than it does

I will always keep that in my head

[nimble sphinx]

i did, my teammates didnt

[eternal stirrup]

Where did u find them

[nimble sphinx]

i wana do next one solo or with people i know will get shit done

3 from here, all of them decent, but one kinda dropped off; other one was very slow, sound designer actually very decent

and 1 old classmate

he was literally useless in the first 4 daya

5th day he did mocap anims

6th day he spent cleaning them up

7th day cleaning

i got anims like 2 hours before submission

[eternal stirrup]

Yeah

Cant trust classmate friends lol

[nimble sphinx]

it was a mess, I wana keep my sound guy and go with 3 other people

[eternal stirrup]

Even if I make a game with a close friend, I still would go solo, unless we live in the same apartment. You can never predict when he will go off

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, i swear

next jam is witch one?

[eternal stirrup]

Betcha cost ya lots of stress?

[nimble sphinx]

oh man

[eternal stirrup]

Same question here

[nimble sphinx]

i dont even know how much

i feel betrayed quite honestly

i lived by "if you want it done, do it yourself"

but carrying 50% of a 5 person game is no fun

[eternal stirrup]

Same its just anxiety

[nimble sphinx]

when I spend time on making roof and wall look nice when I have a 3rd artist

[eternal stirrup]

And I am that kinda person who just cant let a team down

Even if they dont care about the project

[nimble sphinx]

except he gave me a flat plane and called it modular roof

[eternal stirrup]

I would still care for them

@nimble sphinx ahahaha

Bro that cracked me up badly

[elder wing]

does rating submissions have any bearing on the jam?

[nimble sphinx]

yeah; fuck it ill just update it

@elder wing doubt

[elder wing]

hmm okay

[nimble sphinx]

im so destroyed

my life and soul for 7 days straigth and it just doesnt have the ending sequence

[elder wing]

can share your submission?

[nimble sphinx]

man i can

its called

[eternal stirrup]

@nimble sphinx feel ya

[elder wing]

if the rest of the game is good, i think it'll be judged fairly even with bugs

[eternal stirrup]

Id go dead if after not sleeping 24/7 for 7 days straight and my game wouldnt be submistted

[nimble sphinx]

A walk in the past, except the sacrafice sequence and outtro and credits is missing cuz of a trigger girhub took away

A walk in the past
thats the titlw

[lethal finch]

Hey! I just found this server. I've been looking for who to contact about our submission. We filled out the form and clicked submit (at 1:58pm), but itch said we were too late? Can we still get our game submitted to the jam? @tranquil matrix

[nimble sphinx]

ill uodate it tomorrow tho

@lethal finch you an hour too late

hey its ok

[lethal finch]

I think we were 2 minutes before deadline though

[nimble sphinx]

many people were late

and my games ending is missing

its basically a graveyard for jammers over here

everyone else is having a drink or two

and im just depressed and disappointed

[elder wing]

@nimble sphinx the sound design is really good, just from the trailer, and the graphics, atmosphere are pretty good as well

[nimble sphinx]

yeh the ending is non existent tho lol

[rocky raven]

been awake for 48 hours, crazy crunch but had lots of fun 😄 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWoOvmYj6yE

gj all

[mossy gorge]

Cutting it close, but we made it

[elder wing]

my team just squeaked in 7 seconds before the deadline, one of our programmers really rose to the occasion

https://itch.io/jam/2020-epic-megajam/rate/851786

a bunch of stuff couldn't make it in, including quite a few art assets and has the odd bug or so, but im just happy we managed to submit on time lol

[civic dock]

Packaging up my unfinished entry now. There's only a couple spooks hooked up and no endgame, but you can at least enjoy the atmosphere and get an idea of what I'm working towards.

I will be finishing it even though I missed the jam deadline. 🙂

[nimble sphinx]

nice job pfist, im just going to update ours cuz its missing its story ending due to an unfortunate github incident

[mossy gorge]

https://itch.io/jam/2020-epic-megajam/rate/851881 This one was ours 🙂

[rigid fog]

So many pretty games this jam

[next yoke]

so our game didn't make it into our submission

[rigid fog]

(well, there are always a crapton better looking games than mine, hahaha)

[hexed bison]

Been a fun week, hope everyone who participated in the jam is getting some well deserved rest 😃. Here is our entry "JungleFall" built solo by our lead dev.

https://itch.io/jam/2020-epic-megajam/rate/851620

[next yoke]

literally closed as i was uploading

can anyone help @civic dock ?

[distant ibex]

That’s why you upload early and often.

[rigid fog]

I don't have much room to talk though

[next yoke]

neat

[next yoke]

oh well

[civic dock]

Unfortunately there's nothing I can do. You might be able to talk to Epic.

What do you mean, by the way? What closed while you were uploading?

[next yoke]

the upload for submissions while they judge the games

[main spade]

@gaunt copper will you be streaming all the entries again? 🙂

[civic dock]

You can try contacting Epic if it was a problem with the itch.io website, but no guarantees they'll accept a late submission.

[distant ibex]

Was finals this week. I had 20 person group game and a solo game due this week so I didn’t get to join the jam. 😦

[rocky raven]

1min 46 secs damn

[civic dock]

But like others say: upload early and often. It's easy to forget, but it will save you a lot of headaches in the end.

[rocky raven]

i waited until 30mins left when it was ready for 2 hours

living on the edge

[ashen swan]

When is the official judging usually done after a Jam?

[distant ibex]

For weeks

[civic dock]

You're a maniac. 😂

[civic dock]

The winners will likely be announced in late January or early February. Guessing based on previous jams.

[rocky raven]

[ashen swan]

Not delusional enough to think I won. Just looking forward to the scoring!

[rocky raven]

my condolences to those that are gonna play 353 different games throughout a month

[civic dock]

Well, I missed the deadline by a day or so, but I figured I'd make my WIP version public so folks can check out what I did. Enjoy! 👻
https://polymoon.itch.io/midnight-laundry

[distant ibex]

There is usually a couple of people who stream playing the games though which is fun to watch

[copper carbon]

Hey folks - we can add late entries to the event if you'd still like to be included as part of the Epic MegaJam page. Any late entries are not eligible for prizes, but happy to still showcase and include you in the fun 🙂

[loud basalt]

Did the swag from previous jam get cancelled 😀

[rigid fog]

lol

[rigid fog]

100% Have a nice weekend!

@loud basalt You little sneaky! Did you participate this year?

[civic dock]

That's really cool of you guys. 😄

[loud basalt]

Nah sponsored so can't

[next yoke]

oh hey! i have that exact problem

[rigid fog]

Oh lol... well, good. One less competition in Solo ;0

[lethal finch]

@copper carbon Thank you. Here's our entry. I swear I filled out the form and clicked push by 1:58pm, but I understand if we're disqualified. https://nickworks.itch.io/darkplatformer

[loud basalt]

Pfft why would I be competition 🤣

[civic dock]

I got pretty far for going solo. Another day or so and I could've finished.

[rigid fog]

@loud basalt you won last year for solo no?

[loud basalt]

Oh true, forgot that

[rigid fog]

wtf...

[next yoke]

@copper carbon how do we get the project to you?

[loud basalt]

I'm messing with you

[copper carbon]

For late entries, send me a DM with a link to your game's itch.io page

[rigid fog]

I got a crapton of experience in Blender and Substance Painter again. It was fun, I definitely need to work out my workflow.

[crisp raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkIHCD0ifn8

Did it in 3-4 days (other time wasted for searching a style and genre). But i found what i dont learn any 3d program to make 3d models, so its done by primitives.(

[loud basalt]

@rigid fog let's see your entry

[rigid fog]

https://itch.io/jam/2020-epic-megajam/rate/851968

[nimble sphinx]

I dont suppose you guys judge updated entries

[loud basalt]

@rigid fog looks cool, the boss entry should wipe out your shots with a shockwave or something, he almost died right away 😂

[violet bone]

When are result expected?

[nimble sphinx]

early Febuary

[azure flicker]

@copper carbon I have a bit of a weird circumstance. 15 mins after the deadline I noticed I left a debug variable in my build, and the player cannot progress past a door midway through the game. I immediately made a new identical build with the issue fixed. Would it be possible in this circumstances for me to replace my build with the fixed one? (without losing eligibility to run for prizes that is 😕)

[rigid fog]

Yeah, there are over 100 levels

[nimble sphinx]

@azure flicker literally have the same scenario

[rigid fog]

Technically 1000+ easy, so I have to ease people into it

Honestly, it just wouldn't be fair for everyone else that was able to submit on time.

[copper carbon]

@azure flicker The build we have at the deadline is the one we must judge

Only way to keep it consistent for everyone

[rigid fog]

@copper carbon Actually, I was going to ask, is there a way in the future, that there could be "two submissions"? One for judging, and one that we can upload for bug fixes that won't be judged, but others could DL if they want to play the "best experience"?

[rocky raven]

rules are rules

[civic dock]

You could always just get the latest build from the game's page.

[nimble sphinx]

you can make a second project and refer to it in your OG project description

thhats what we will do thanks to our github fuckup

[ashen swan]

I'm pretty sure Epic has already downloaded the files so that there won't be any tampering. I doubt it'd matter if you fixed it for others?

[nimble sphinx]

but yeah, we would also love to fix game breaking bugs that cut content from the OG sub

all i needed to do to ccatch it was one last playtest

but i hougth i already had a last playtest

but github said no, map rollback

[violet bone]

I feel you, same problem 😦

[rigid fog]

Nope

Unless I'm dumb

But pretty sure this has always been the case

[copper carbon]

I do believe it's locked until the judging period is over

we might be able to change how we set it up on the backend for future ones

[rigid fog]

Yeah, I wonder if you could contact Itch about it though? I think it would be a great addition to the overall experience

[copper carbon]

I'd love folks to be able to update their projects, while we still pull the official submission

[rigid fog]

Especially if you're going to take 2-3 months to judge!

(at least two weeks are gone from sexy winter vacation)

[civic dock]

Ah, of course. My mistake.

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, ill just make a second project with same name and all, and refer to it in the submitted jams desceiption

[rocky raven]

my previous horror jam game was locked for the entire period with a bug that detracted from the overall atmosphere, quite frustrating lol

considering it got huge quickly

[nimble sphinx]

same here

not same here

similar here

[civic dock]

Yeah that was nuts. It was #1 on itch for weeks, then Markiplier even picked it up.

[rocky raven]

white screens everywhere, rip movies path

made the building process for this gamejam quite paranoid

[rigid fog]

@rocky raven which one?

[rocky raven]

linger

[civic dock]

Markiplier played it in 3 Scary Games #61.

[rigid fog]

Nice!

[rocky raven]

its still pulling insane numbers

[nimble sphinx]

neaat

[rigid fog]

I have no clue about horror, so I haven't bothered

But I can see the appeal

[civic dock]

I love short-form horror games. Great genre that's produced a lot of neat stuff in the past few years.

[rocky raven]

pretty big on itch, especially if you lean into pt or ps1 horror

i love making horror games but i opted out for something silly this time

[rigid fog]

You should have done an opposite horror game

[copper carbon]

Ha - classic. I know those feels all too well

[rocky raven]

this gamejam was such as relief from dayjob and personal projects, from live events/cyberpunk mmo to a cartoony, conkers vibe topdown/rts hybrid, watching over 100 rayman looking pill capsules beating each other into pulp with medieval weaponry is so satisfying lol

[copper carbon]

The joy of jams

[rocky raven]

some nice projects as well, been looking through the submissions

[copper carbon]

It's always exciting to see what wild and crazy ideas come up out of the jams

[rocky raven]

yeah the time constraints help a lot with scoping out things properly, especially if you perform better under pressure

i love it

[hoary trout]

anyone else getting server error on itch?

[gaunt copper]

no, not before chrismas as i got stuff to do

[hoary trout]

I've got you another game, this time it runs but the gameplay isn't tied together :p

[manic pebble]

Here's the game my team made!
https://uddsmorex.itch.io/the-last-gasp

[heavy sage]

I'm watching my daughter play my game...nothing like an elementary schooler for make you feel like you are totally inept at level design

[nimble sphinx]

neat

[heavy sage]

The good news is she's spent almost 30 minutes wandering, getting frustrated, figuring things out, and being stupid. I think I'll call that a success

[nimble sphinx]

nice

[heavy sage]

@manic pebble very pretty environment. I really like the tress.

[restive dew]

How long are the games in lockdown? I'm also submitted to another couple jams and want to update as their deadline is still a few days away.

[rigid fog]

@restive dew You need to create new pages for those other ones

Lockdown will be at least one month, if not two, maybe even three months.

[grizzled owl]

here's our game, hope you like it
https://lordlolek.itch.io/ants-in-space

[manic pebble]

thanks alot matt! 🙂

[near ice]

When's The next Epic Jam?

[heavy sage]

Everyone must be crashing now

[hollow forum]

https://itch.io/jam/paperflip3d-challenge

[blissful fjord]

We allowed to share our submissions here?
I'd love feedback so I can make this better!
https://itch.io/jam/2020-epic-megajam/rate/848752

[heavy sage]

Is anyone planning on streams, let's plays, or reviews in the next week or so?

[opal tiger]

https://www.twitch.tv/awesomeallar is playing every single submission from start to end

[ocean sphinx]

Heres mine. Didnt have time to put music in. Started it 4 days ago after changing my idea from a VR vacuum cleaning game to what this is. https://holonick.itch.io/were-not-done-yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwUqGCZ-oeU

[heavy sage]

Awesome, thanks!

[civic dock]

Allar's stream is fantastic fun so far.

[wise apex]

Anybody following along with Allar's jam playthrough - there is a spreadsheet tracking every jam entry and whether he has played it -> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s4ARHyUK9bh3jrbavVkLORFRbGY0S0raAJMdmSgdrh4/edit?usp=sharing

Don't feel shame! It used to be really common and a WNE brings a bit of joy now due to the rarity.

People who haven't really participated in the jam are making submissions, nothing at all to be ashamed of

My first ever jam he sat on the stream and got it into a self-playing state before saying "if I can MLG-strat your game, it needs work" or something.

[bronze anvil]

tfw when I don't think I'm that bad at procrastinating, but the receipts say otherwise 🙃

also, actually pretty happy with how the jam turned out! check it out if ya want 🤩
https://harrisonleon.itch.io/exodus-flight

[limber bear]

3rd year in a row the jam was a blast 🥳

[ocean sphinx]

I really like how the jam really pushes me past procrastination and into super structured production mode.

[worldly rune]

I got a lot done in a week... then I missed the deadline by 30s 🙈

[wet rivet]

We didn't quite get the project in in time but here's a lil clip from it: https://youtu.be/UQY_y9FIhzM

[onyx hare]

Oops I fell asleep for 7h on the sofa

Been a great jam y'all

[fringe furnace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cU2WYZeHx8

https://itch.io/jam/2020-epic-megajam/rate/850199

please give input and critique for our MEGAJAM Game 🙏

[indigo wing]

it's.. amazing what can be done in a week o.o

jesus

[graceful cosmos]

Guys

What can i update after the game has been submitted

OO- Here is our game - !! https://itch.io/jam/2020-epic-megajam/rate/849149

[pine fulcrum]

12 hours in, still going, 5% of games played, http://twitch.tv/awesomeallar

[prisma flare]

It's a harrowing and delightful experience

[fringe furnace]

can't wait to see you reacting our game 😆 👍

[tender plover]

Thanks for playing our games Allar!

[serene dome]

We can still change the video in our submissions right?

[solid abyss]

yes you can. And even edit the itch.io page including the description, screenshots, etc

[serene dome]

Ok, just don't change the build I guess

[graceful cosmos]

Build cant be changed, the upload is locked

[serene dome]

Good, I can't mess anything up then

[bright flint]

Can someone please help me?
I filled the online form within 10 minutes of the deadline, and submitted that.
I couldn't , however, upload the project file to itch.io as it was 1.1Gb, which was >1Gb limit.
Email sent to support at itch.io and follow up one too, still waiting on response(s).
Is there any of you out there who can lend a hand to helping me get the project file (>1Gb) uploaded to itch.io? Please.
*
Anyone, please help!?!

[tight osprey]

@gaunt copper When the streams will kick off 😄 Today or tomorrow?

[tranquil matrix]

@serene dome You can still delete the build - try not to do that ^^

[pine fulcrum]

just hit 20 hours http://twitch.tv/awesomeallar

8.47% games played

[rocky raven]

just noticed I formatted my project incorrectly lol, set it as GameName_TeamName instead 😦

[tulip prism]

how many games has he played so far

wow

[fading widget]

I can’t believe he’s still going!

[limber bear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQgnt7IcKCE
here is our title

[onyx hare]

posted some screenshots and video of our entry on twitter if you're curious: https://twitter.com/JKashaar/status/1337801431492026374

Jan Kaluza (@JKashaar)

Alright folks! Here's our @UnrealEngine mega jam entry: "The Rude, the Mad, and the Ugly" - a game of cinematic insult pistol duels between geriatric cowboys with petty grudges!

Screenshots and video in thread ⬇️
#unrealjam #ue4 #gamedev #ue4jam https://t.co/cS8UU2QrVJ

Twitter · Dec 12, 2020, 4:48 PM

[snow lintel]

a 2 person puzzle game made by a solo dev. I spent too much time on (hopefully) fun mechanics and lore than the actual look of the game >.< https://itch.io/jam/2020-epic-megajam/rate/851223

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izudTTWWz9Q

[west root]

Morning jammers! You all made some awesome games. Going to try and play them all over the winter break. If you have a VR headset, I’d love for you to give your thoughts on mine! https://kellyrayj.itch.io/deathballer-inc

[heavy sage]

Just a heads up for everyone, Allar is still streaming everyone's games on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/awesomeallar

Absolute Madman

A bit over 12% played now

[grizzled owl]

so, he\s trying to completeeveryone of them?

he's not looking hot right now tbh :D

yeah, "madman" is a word

[versed epoch]

When could the next Jam possibly be?

[grizzled owl]

it's usually in spring

[versed epoch]

thanks.

[azure flicker]

either February or between April and May I guess.
there used to be one each season, but due to lockdown this year they only hosted 2 because it is a pain to arrange for prizes.
That said it might also be that they just keep reducing them over time. I know they used to do them monthly at the very start even (but I also think they had no prizes back then)

[versed epoch]

Is it still 7 days? i mean the seasonal jam

[grizzled owl]

it's 4 days I think? the ending mega jam is longer

[versed epoch]

i hope the prizes will be as cool as megajam

[grizzled owl]

I think allar is fading

[azure flicker]

I just did the math and I’ve been in 18 jams this year. So I confirm, not a lifestyle I’d recommend 😅

[wise apex]

24hr mark. btw I'm the immut from that emote name :D

[heavy sage]

Allar is finally taking a break (28 hour stream!) He's only at -596 out of 950 played

Spreadsheet error

He's at 12.71% complete

[wise apex]

I slept for a bit, actually.

@thick breach turns out, when the formula counts empty cells you have to keep it well constrained to a number.

Or I could just know what's wrong and fix it :D

I should figure out how to make that deterministic...

[rigid fog]

Lots of good games this jam, like every jam

[wise apex]

@thick breach Ye

It's on the list, maybe I'll get to it

[pine fulcrum]

Playthrough stream resumes in 12 hours or so

I need to relax before I sleep

[wise apex]

All the rotating crabs

[twilit wharf]

yo

whats up

[oblique cobalt]

yea the trash had crazy polycounts 😄

nope

[twilit wharf]

lol

[oblique cobalt]

modeled by our man Keegan

He made sure it was really detailed

and then I was like

[twilit wharf]

@thick breach are you seriously asking me if I used asset packs? We've been over this, pal.

[oblique cobalt]

"lets put all this trash to complex collision :D"

"what could go wrong? :D"

[twilit wharf]

We had a week to make a game and like 3 hours to package it. Mistakes where made. Oh well

the game actually runs perfectly now, btw.

If you cared to try

[oblique cobalt]

in my defense, my personal meshes are very small usually, it didn't occur to me that i was doing that with insanely dense assets

[twilit wharf]

It's no ones fault

[oblique cobalt]

and the simple collision is just so bad..

[twilit wharf]

you're right man. I totally see the train of thought, too.

[oblique cobalt]

good one

i think so too

Its all your clocks man

made us run out of time

oh my god

Thanks man! so much learned! can't wait to apply all the new knowledge next time

[edgy fulcrum]

This must've been the most stressful jam I've been in so far, scoped way to high >_> Managed to get a trailer together today at least! Would love feedback on how to make the combat better - if anyone tries it out:) https://youtu.be/HBbwXLKVQK8

[feral wind]

that has 110% been me for the whole week!

[solid abyss]

@edgy fulcrum .. beautiful ! I really liked the level design, and minimalistic style you used .. where even having a plain white texture looks good.

[pine fulcrum]

Guess it’s time to start prepping for stream 2

[prisma flare]

You're a mad man, and that's coming from me

[maiden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/well-were-waiting-sarcastic-angry-gif-15655099

😄

[pine fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-yell-mad-angry-fury-gif-3864070

lmao

425gb archive of day 1

[maiden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/flirt-hot-excited-horny-hottie-gif-17231885

that's a lotta footage

[pine fulcrum]

I want to script ffmpeg to read timestamps from our spreadsheet and render out individual game videos

whether that happens remains to be seen

[pine fulcrum]

here we go https://twitter.com/MichaelAllar/status/1338075028399656960

Michael Allar is locked in a box (@MichaelAllar)

Starting roughly day 3 of my playthroughs of the @UnrealEngine MegaJam 2020 game submissions.

#ue4 #ue4jam #gamedev #indiedev

If you participated and want to request your game to be played while you're around, please do so. But ALL games will be played.

https://t.co/3Xm88Z3NbR

Twitter · Dec 13, 2020, 10:55 AM

[surreal hearth]

here we go https://twitter.com/MichaelAllar/status/1338075028399656960
@pine fulcrum I want to thanks to the streamers who take the time to play the games !!

Michael Allar is locked in a box (@MichaelAllar)

Starting roughly day 3 of my playthroughs of the @UnrealEngine MegaJam 2020 game submissions.

#ue4 #ue4jam #gamedev #indiedev

If you participated and want to request your game to be played while you're around, please do so. But ALL games will be played.

https://t.co/3Xm88Z3NbR

Twitter · Dec 13, 2020, 10:55 AM

[hoary trout]

i'm wondering

how many downloads and views are you getting on your submissions ?

[indigo marten]

Oops! Guys I need help! We just realized from a player that the build version we uploaded to itch.io has a gamebreaker bug after the first level. The game has 6 levels and the first one is a kind of tutorial only. Is there any way to reach the event organizers to send them a patch? Shame on us, but we had no time to check the build we submitted 3 minutes before the deadline. Do you know any contact to write to with this request? Thanks!

[azure reef]

@indigo marten
https://tenor.com/view/hungary-gif-5351319

I got 25dowloads n 180 views

got 6 points

out of 10 I guess

[edgy fulcrum]

30downloads on 84views

[hoary trout]

hummm

interesting

i'm on 3 downloads and 30 views

but I clearly stated that the game is barely playable

[stable needle]

Try sending a message to the administrators

[indigo marten]

Thanx, I wanted to, but found no contact to them 😦 Do you know where to find any?

[azure flicker]

I had the same issue, but the organisers are very adamant about this, there’s no exception for this kind of scenarios.

[indigo marten]

True. We will get over it. Next time 🙂

[azure flicker]

I mean I think many gamejams like Mark Brown’s got a pretty neat solution by incorporating as part of the rule that the last hour is for build submission only/giving a 1 hour build submission grace period. That was participants will not be trying to shove in features last minutes and break 5 more things in the process.

[hoary trout]

what if you pull out your submission, can you gain back access to uploading patches ?

clearly some of us aren't competing for anything so patching up the games would be more "rewarding" than just being in the jam

[somber hazel]

"participants will not try" How is that a neat solution? How do you check if the submission in the last hour was only used for fixing?

[azure flicker]

the same way they check that no one has not been using premade assets without declaring them, you don’t, it’s a gentleman’s agreement.
You’re really overthinking this unnecessarily, the point is making it clear to people the last hour is allocated to the build and somebody still submits a broken one it’s on them for not honouring the rule.

[minor hemlock]

or teams should just know they need this hour built in to their schedule

or even day

[azure flicker]

yeah... good thinking, doesn't work.
I had countless instances of this while taking a producer role. I tell the team we'll make the build 12 hours in advance, make sure all the art is in before that.
I never see any art in engine until best case scenario 4 hours to the deadline.

However you wanna turn it, the way GMTK handles this, by enforcing a period to make and thoroughly review the build, rather than expecting people tunnel focused on making their game to do that constantly throughout the last day, just looks like working better based on my impression of how satisfied users seem to be.

[rigid fog]

Yeah, Rules are rules. It's easy, follow the rules. If GMTK didn't have that extra hour, it wouldn't matter, people would just follow the rules.

It's the same. Only people that are upset, are the ones that waited until the last possible second to upload and didn't make it.

Which I can totally relate to. It sucks putting a lot of time and effort into a project for "nothing". But you can still upload it to Itch and let the world view it. Also good for portfolios.

[minor hemlock]

if I had to guess I'd say the GMTK crowd is generally less salty than Unreal users in general 😂

waiting for some extreme salt in here after winners are announced

[sleek vault]

When will the winner be announced?

[serene dome]

Is anyones else download link gone?

its missing for me: https://tocogames.itch.io/infinite-pizza

Fixed it, some bug in the public settings.

[pine fulcrum]

we're still going http://twitch.tv/awesomeallar

[glass fossil]

Something is wrong. So I just found out that our game jam submission was disqualified. I am trying to find out as to why, as the leader has become upset and went AFK for the remainder of the month.

What did we do wrong with our submission?

[pine fulcrum]

what game is it

[autumn plaza]

game name?

[glass fossil]

Through the Ages.

[wise apex]

Your game only uploaded the .exe, right?

[glass fossil]

I am still trying to find all of that out from him. So it turns out, Epic did not reach out to the leader of the team for the game. Apparently the streamer claimed he was DQ, and apparently acted as if he was a member of Epic Games according to the team leader. The way he went about it was rather unprofessional to say the least, as he had him delete and reupload the game only to suddenly tell him, he is getting DQ'd anyway. He was demotivated by this and basically gave up all hope on the UE4 Mega Jam.

I just told him to try again but reach with Epic officially to clear the misunderstanding and that he did upload the game before deadline. He's not out of the race yet. Upload Google link and explain to Epic the mishaps that the streamer has basically caused. Last year, one of my game jam entries had a similar issue with botched download yet the Google link and explanation with the fix still saved it from being DQ'd from the awards.

Don't trust what some outsider claims about whether you get DQ'd or not. They are not Epic. It is ultimately up to Epic themselves to determine disqualification.

[ashen swan]

Allar has never claimed to work for Epic. It's not even remotely his fault that your team leader believed as much.

[wise apex]

The streamer didn't cause the .exe to be the only thing uploaded. I was there, the game couldn't even mount, as the call to Window's CreateProcess failed.

Don't put that on the streamer.

[ashen swan]

Epic was at some point allowing late entries, but they'll still be disqualified from prizes even if it's allowed most likely.

[wise apex]

Also, I was there, it was very clear the DQ was not official

[rocky raven]

[wise apex]

@glass fossil https://www.twitch.tv/awesomeallar come drama llama

Allar is down

[glass fossil]

I am not a Drama Llama. I just want to get answers as to why the project "failed".

[heavy sage]

I was there, too. We all thought it sucked for you guys, but only the .exe was uploaded, not the whole package.

Your team didn't post a playable game on itch

[wise apex]

The only thing you can download from the itch page DID not even boot

[heavy sage]

None of us are official Epic guys, just fellow devs

[wise apex]

the call to the OS "CreateProcess" function failed

Don't put that on the streamer

Were you using butler?

Maybe a misconfiguration with that

[glass fossil]

Pff, and you call me a "drama llama"? Deja Vu.

[wise apex]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Oh I guess this puts me in your list now?

[olive aspen]

Ok as I stated in chat to whomever was there, it was my first time uploading a full project, and he mentioned to still upload the game to my itch.io page, to which I did. basically this is to ask about possibly still being judged for it because we have a game

[heavy sage]

I don't think you can get that answered here

[ashen swan]

Twitch != Epic.

[heavy sage]

You'll need to talk to Epic directly

[ashen swan]

This discord != Epic.

Nothing but epic == Epic.

[heavy sage]

If you can get it uploaded you might get an unofficial reviewer like Allar to play it just to get feedback

[olive aspen]

Not even that it was this man's fault for disqualifying for it, it would've been disqualified, just to know if it is possible to push into the file. that you for that @ashen swan

[wise apex]

Possibly you can tag the community team (don't do it right now)

[maiden loom]

you'd need to talk to Epic, but I suspect that as the game wasn't uploaded within the jam time frame, it's unlikely you'll be allowed to be judged for it (but they should be able to allow it to be uploaded, as is sometimes the case for late submissions when there were problems)

[olive aspen]

thank you very much for your input homies, did you all submit as well >:)? am i alloud to ask titles to go check em out?

as in you three XD'

[glass fossil]

Honestly mates, if Epic has not made it so strict and ever more difficult by locking file uploads, perhaps this ordeal would not even be a concern. My two cents on all this.

[heavy sage]

Yeah, sure thing. I know it must be pretty rough putting in all that work and being in limbo. I'd be willing to take a look if you get it up somewhere. I'll shoot you a message on my game so we don't clutter chat

[minor hemlock]

you can pretend the jam ended a day earlier and they did allow an extra 24h upload window 🙃

[maiden loom]

I mean, it kinda has to be strict - it's the only way for to be fair

[ashen swan]

There's seven days to upload correctly.

168 hours.

[olive aspen]

@minor hemlock my mind EXACTLY XD

[minor hemlock]

fun thing I found out, uploads in progress when the deadline hits are allowed to finish before the page is locked

[wise apex]

It's really easy to hindsight this

[olive aspen]

tell my brain, the world itself did it not me 😅

[maiden loom]

I did not know this 😄

[minor hemlock]

yeah, we squeaked in 2 builds, one ended a minute before the deadline but the dev build was a minute or two later

[wise apex]

I literally just didn't want it to be pinned on somebody who had almost nothing at all to do with the game's eventual official DQ

[maiden loom]

in our case, we packaged and submitted a build three times during the jam

[heavy sage]

Yeah, I mean even if you're not allowed judging for prizes, you should still be proud you got a game out

[glass fossil]

With all due respect Twitch moderator, I only relayed to the best of my understanding the problem I was able to find from my team leader. I have nothing against Allar personally (despite some others not liking his guts for variety of reasons). I've known him since the days of UDK and I respect him for the work he does.

Don't shoot the bloody messenger.

[wise apex]

"Yo have him get in here, I'll clear this up" - Allar

Don't shoot the bloody messenger.
Same to ya

[olive aspen]

XD what?

nobodies blaming him about anything

commmunity leader I now understand, i took full responsibility for the mistaken upload which was honestly best that he pointed out

because if not it might've gone to far to do anything about it, I may be able to get it in the jam under their discretion

[ashen swan]

Actually the literal quote was "Apparently the streamer claimed he was DQ" Feels like blaming. :/

[olive aspen]

...idk what DQ means

😅

lol

[maiden loom]

disqualified

[olive aspen]

OH

well yea

[glass fossil]

Like I said, I tried to understand the situation, if I misunderstood or misinterpreted, my apologies.

[maiden loom]

in any case, hopefully we learnt something from this - upload early, download your submitted package, and check it all works 😄

[olive aspen]

im sorrry guys thanks for the advice on how to fix, wasn't intended to blame

[maiden loom]

you can upload multiple version of the project right up until the deadline, and then choose which versions show on the download page

[olive aspen]

I played the version I was intending to upload, I was overtired at that point and uploaded the wrong thing >.> my mistake as i said

[wise apex]

Allar is speeding up, to be fair. He's going through them (on average) 40% faster. The games are likely not taking as long, he's still exhausting the games.

[limber bear]

@thick breach Oh nice, do we know how much time will @pine fulcrum be streaming for, we can probably pop by in 3 hours

😬

[prisma flare]

Next year my mission is just to do "The Rainman Game", to mess with Allar, it'll be randomly unbeatable

exactly 🙂

My favorite moment was him trying to hack himself to restart that diablo tower defense game at level 2 "I can't do level one again man, I can't!"

"Prove that it's even beatable!"

oh god, it's still live?

[maiden loom]

he usually keeps going for 24-36 hours at a time, lol

[wise apex]

Actually crossed 24 not that long ago

second stream in a row he's done that

[prisma flare]

yeah, he's looking good right now 🙂

the solid stare of a meth addict who's mom just died

[prisma flare]

I'd rather volunteer at a leper colony in the 60's than what's Allar is doing. It's wildly impressive

[maiden loom]

😂

[limber bear]

Will do yeah

thanks a lot for organizing this

[limber bear]

Yeah, no worries at all. I've been keeping 1 ear on the stream, we'll see when Allar gets back

nice, we'll be in around 40 mins

[limber bear]

yep we ready

[nimble sphinx]

do we know what game he has played already

im kinda anxious about anyone playing our game l

gf loved it, but i havent seen anyone else play it

oh neat

[pine fulcrum]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s4ARHyUK9bh3jrbavVkLORFRbGY0S0raAJMdmSgdrh4/edit#gid=1346858697

[nimble sphinx]

yeah thanks i got it!

How can I reguest a playthrough while I am around?

[pine fulcrum]

When the stream is live, if you're the dev of a game, just tell twitch chat that you're a dev of whatever game and we'll add it to the list

[nimble sphinx]

huh, okay

can we not shit too much on the game if its not good?

also will you play the submission version or the updated version? cuz there was a last minute f*ckup that basically cut the last seqment of the story....

[pine fulcrum]

We only play the valid submission, whatever was submitted at time of deadline

Those are the game jam rules and thats what Epic will be adhering to as well

[nimble sphinx]

yeah i know, but then there is kinda no point

cuz like the end is missing

it was there on time, but there was on oversigth with GitHub and somehow we rolled back to an earlier version witch did not have the trigger in place

so I uploaded an updated version witch literally just re-adds the trigger

[pine fulcrum]

If you can get Epic to accept it and allow you to update your submission then we'll use that

[nimble sphinx]

there are still some typos and one mistake that is confusing, but i didnt fix those yet

well they said they cant do that so

ye i mean in that case i dont even wana be around, would be just embarassing

so bitter about it but i accepted

[pine fulcrum]

Aye, it sucks when stuff like that happens, unfortunately bending the rules for one person means bending the rules for everyone

[nimble sphinx]

ye idk i was thinking maybe you could play the updated version on the stream and disclose that the last segment was not in the submission due to a last minute mistake idk

cuz i we really put much effort in the last segment and its just not there....

[pine fulcrum]

Aye, and also unfortunately you're not the only one in that situation as well. Kinda sucks but the best advice is to package and upload a day early and test and make sure that is solid. You can try convincing twitch chat when we're live but generally if you do its of the understanding that you're gonna get a big ol red disqualification for our unofficial system

[nimble sphinx]

ye, the pathed build was made 37 minutes after deadline

i would have uploaded it way earlier but not all teammates were delivering on time

yeeah, not the best teammates

[pine fulcrum]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Is the nature of these game jams

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, im kinda sorry for everyone who has to play it without the trigger

cuz you just enter the part with the missing trigger

and it just

falls apart

there is nothing to do after that

and you just Alt+F4 in furstration

heartbreaking tbh

[pine fulcrum]

a large percentage of games simply fall apart when played live

everyone understands

[nimble sphinx]

ye idk, maybe you could do like

play the OG and if you wana see the end you can play the patched or something idk

[pine fulcrum]

theres over 100 more hours to go

[nimble sphinx]

ye i understand, should just spare you the furstration with this mess we released as a game

its not bad, its pretty decent

but the missing ending is just

it makes me sick

[pine fulcrum]

ayyy

most people work up until the deadline without a build

[nimble sphinx]

i literally got my last assets like 20 minutes before deadline

[pine fulcrum]

i recommend making builds every 6 hours

[nimble sphinx]

pushed with github and they also pushed other file updaets

i didnt check, trusting that they are halfway competent

[pine fulcrum]

part of the process is managing the team

[nimble sphinx]

turns out they pushed file rollbacks

[pine fulcrum]

next time you'll be hyper aware

[nimble sphinx]

ye dude

im mad but im not mad

its my fault but its not my fault

ugh, working with this guy was not the best idea

doesnt do shit first 3 days
starts preparing mocap on day 4
day 4 mocap subject ghosts him
day 5 starts recoding mocap
day 6 he spends all day cleaning up
literally gives me 3 animations, 3 characters made with character creator and a table and a chair on day 7, hours before submission

meanwhile im pouring my soul into this day in-day out

i just feel betrayed and it was not even worth it in the end

[pine fulcrum]

alternatively it was incredibly worth it because you've been taught some serious lessons in game dev that'll carry you forward

if every game jam you do is a wonderful success you'll learn nothing

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, but does it have to be ending with a missing trigger to learn something

it was literally a 20 second fix

[pine fulcrum]

thats a pretty tame problem to have lol

[nimble sphinx]

and thats like the hardest part about it

its a trigger for the finale bro

[pine fulcrum]

could be worse

[nimble sphinx]

you enter this room

and there would be cool mocap anims and niagara effects

and instead its emtpy and the story does not progress

[pine fulcrum]

could have a pristine multiplayer game where because of one last minute addition you're disqualified because the host can not play the game

[nimble sphinx]

very tame

you can play through until this point no problemn

but whats the point if it just falls apart here

[pine fulcrum]

be thankful you can play up to that point lol

[nimble sphinx]

sure i am

ye idk

i would just erase my existence from this jam and the game and act like i never worked on it

like its just so humiliating having this thing exist and people actually playing it expecting it to have a good ending

[pine fulcrum]

up to you to feel or do whatever you want, I'd recommend being proud

[nimble sphinx]

how to be proud of this

it looks decent, the story is decent

thanks to me the text is full with typos that are characteristic to me, because no one proofread it

[pine fulcrum]

did you schedule time for proofreading?

if not, now you know to do so

that lesson alone is worth the time doing the jam

[nimble sphinx]

we were a team of 5, only 2 of us working in engine

other guy was doing the sound

I had to carry everything else

[pine fulcrum]

at the end of the jam it doesn't really matter what individuals did

all that matters is the deliverable

and the fun and the journey to that point

[nimble sphinx]

ill just go solo/maybe duo next time

i wanted to have a full game

its not a full game = failure

[pine fulcrum]

if the journey to the end is not more valuable than the end then I would say you're doing a game jam for the wrong reasons

[nimble sphinx]

i mean it is a full game

but what is submitted isnt

yeah, i see, it was definitely a nice process, but im just gonna need more dedicated people to pull off something decent

ofc this was decent as well, but it could have been so much more

i would be so happy with it

[pine fulcrum]

if you ask 95% of people who participated

[nimble sphinx]

if it wasnt for that last minute deleted trigger

[pine fulcrum]

they'd feel the same way, that their thing could have been so much more

[nimble sphinx]

it just break my heart

[pine fulcrum]

if they just added a single blocking volume

if they just removed a single blueprint node

thats how it goes

[nimble sphinx]

but it was there

and it was gone without anyone doing anything technically

[pine fulcrum]

iunno what to tell you man, this is what game dev is lol

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, i just feel cheated

[pine fulcrum]

my stream aims to celebrate not only our successes but our failures

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, i hope you will enjoy it until you will try to make sense of the next task until you realise that this is that game and that there is nothing more coming

[pine fulcrum]

a team built their entire game and there was nothing wrong with it

they uploaded it wrong

and that cost them everything

¯_(ツ)_/¯

imagine having a fully functional game and no one play it because you uploaded it wrong

it happens

everyones got war stories

now you do too

[nimble sphinx]

thats gotta suck too

at least i have something people can play

even if it doesnt have an ending

[pine fulcrum]

so be happy you crossed the finish line

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, crossed the line

just cant shake the feeling

it feels bad

like imagine, you are happy, you submitted on time

you are relaxing

then you fire your game up and play it through one last time

and then you open this room

and its empty

[pine fulcrum]

simply that doesn't sound like you tested on time

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nimble sphinx]

and it felt like i took a rigth hook to the guts

yeah, i did test

sorry i didnt think that a table pull from github would fuck up my trigger

yeah, totally unreasonable from my side

[pine fulcrum]

no one is saying what you're feeling is unreasonable

[nimble sphinx]

also it is my fault that i get the table like an hour before submission

[pine fulcrum]

generally what everyone who has gone through that says is this is a lesson in how important testing is

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, i wish i had any time left for testing

trust me, I did test

but I was depending on poeple who did not deliver on time

the only thing I learned was go solo or go home

[pine fulcrum]

that is one way to look at it

the other, imo better way, is to see that you just need to work closer with your teammates

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, I was working as close as I could

it was just bad people to pick

not all of them, most of the were decent

yeah, just bad people

[pine fulcrum]

If you're so hung up on having the best people then every team effort with a hard deadline is going to be an exercise in anger

[nimble sphinx]

i was really understanding with my teammates

i didnt nag them for anything

i was supportive

[pine fulcrum]

when I game jam I nag almost non-stop

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nimble sphinx]

but if this one guy only starts delivering on day 7 hours before submission

i dont think nagging is the way to go

if they dont do it by themeselves

they dont want to do it

[pine fulcrum]

and nagging quickly brings that point to the surface and help you identify the problem and allow you to pivot sooner

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, i made it pretty clear that if he doesnt bring the assets there wont be any game

he brougth the assets literally last minute

so I made it happen

but there was no time to test one last time

I dont wana blame.shift

but honestly that is the reason this didnt get published with the full story

[pine fulcrum]

the only reason it didn't happen is because it didn't happen

thats all

[nimble sphinx]

uhmmm

not sure i agree with that

[pine fulcrum]

aye I don't agree with most of what you're saying or feeling lol

[nimble sphinx]

same haha

yeah

collosal fuckup here

[pine fulcrum]

it really isn't

[nimble sphinx]

just keeping it together

oaky

well, you know what

[pine fulcrum]

have you seen the hundreds of other entries

[nimble sphinx]

im gonna be around when you play it okay?

[pine fulcrum]

have you seen how they break

[nimble sphinx]

i dont care aobut others

[pine fulcrum]

ah well

then thats your problem

[nimble sphinx]

its my game and it should live up to my expectations

[pine fulcrum]

no its your teams game

[wise apex]

"I somehow feel negatively about how this turned out"

"Turns out a few entries turned out bad, have you seen them?"

"Pfft idc about others"

neat

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, why would I care about other peoples failure

[wise apex]

@pine fulcrum go sleep lol

[nimble sphinx]

im one of them people

[pine fulcrum]

then i have to say the same to you

if you don't care about our failures why should we care about yours

lol

[nimble sphinx]

yeah exactly

no one should

not even me but i still do

[pine fulcrum]

That sounds like an angry way to go about things

[nimble sphinx]

ill just let it go

its what it is

so ill just let your chat know that im the dev of said game and then what?

do you just add it in a list and if im still around you play it?

[pine fulcrum]

watch the stream archives

watch other peoples requests

you'll see

[nimble sphinx]

okay

i'll see

well, goodnight, i guess you are going to sleep soon?

[pine fulcrum]

aye

caring about others failures for 30 hours will do that

lol

[nimble sphinx]

hope you will care about my failure too!

[pine fulcrum]

so far you've given no reason to

[nimble sphinx]

oh, yeah, i mean

[pine fulcrum]

luckily i don't need a reason

[nimble sphinx]

thats good

idk, i dont wana talk down on our creation

because I am proud of what we achieved

[pine fulcrum]

thats what you've been doing

this whole time

[nimble sphinx]

what I am not proud of is what we have submitted

[pine fulcrum]

and you've been talking down on your people

[nimble sphinx]

ye on one of them

maybe 2

[pine fulcrum]

...lol

[nimble sphinx]

ye, i cant say he was the best teammate if he wasnt

[pine fulcrum]

you talk down on one team member you talk down on the entire team

[nimble sphinx]

see, we dont agree again

his inability to deliver doesnt mean everyone was unable to deliver

[pine fulcrum]

thats exactly what it means

literally

thats what happened

lmao

[nimble sphinx]

well yeah

but like no

[pine fulcrum]

thats literally what happened

theres no but no

lol

[nimble sphinx]

if we all delivered shit on the last game we would have nothing to show

*day

like yeah, he just didnt do shit the first 4 days

the others did

what else can I say

we need everyones work, we need it on time

if one person doesnt deliver, there wont be a complete game, or not one that we would like

and that is what happened

[pine fulcrum]

you had 4 days to pivot

you chose not to

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, should have never trusted my teammate, rigth

thats also my bad

too many second chances i guess

[pine fulcrum]

it sounds like if you were an employer and one of your employees got sick you'd just fire them

good luck with that

[nimble sphinx]

its more like someone voluntarily agrees to help out with your project, then shit on it for 4 days straigth and tries to fix it in the last day

if someone couldnt make it to one meeting, i was like, yeah fine, we have lives

if someone makes no progress for 4 days straigth, that is not fine

im not going to say that I am okay with that

I am not okay with that

[fading widget]

Part of naming is managing yourself and team. If someone isn’t responding or doing what is needed you have to pick up the slack. People have other things going on in their lives that prevent them from doing the jam sometimes. Adapt or die.

*jaming

[nimble sphinx]

That is not even my main problem, we got sidetracket with this

this is the cause

yeah, now in hindisgth, thats what I should have done, thanks for the tip

he kept saying he will do it

and that he is on it

and then he actually started doing it

but then took 2 days until it got to me

that is just not okay

and I dont want people like that on the team

jam or not

and if you have a problem with that, idk, good on you

[somber hazel]

trying to catch up the conversation between @nimble sphinx and @pine fulcrum, crossing the redline in discord, but it still continues

https://tenor.com/xzQt.gif

[nimble sphinx]

im just spilling my mind out here

[edgy fulcrum]

hahha, same - ninjin42:D

[stable kiln]

hmm there is allways some1 in my team thats completely trash aswell

but thats just me 😛

[nimble sphinx]

yeah idk, i think its fair to be pissed if you work on this all day for 7 days a week and your temmate doesnt do shit for half the time and causes you a last minute mistake witch cuts content you worked on for days

but yeah, idk

its just me

yeah, fuck yeah

i wana go solo next time

i dont, i want a good team

Ill keep my music and sound guys and look for better artists

[somber hazel]

but yeah, if a team mate doesn't deliver on 2nd day, just kick him/her

[edgy fulcrum]

Misstakes happen, man- I'd just try to scope smaller to prepare for it. Playtest the full loop the day before deadline and send that build in, as a precaution

[nimble sphinx]

thing is we made like a walking simulator

and if the story elements are no there

[edgy fulcrum]

It's just a jam, if you didn't have fun or learned something new you've done it wrong imo

[nimble sphinx]

i did learn a lot of tings

didnt once said I didnt

I had fun too, lots

also headache and furstration but that is part of it

what I didnt find so enjoyable is the wait for teammates

[edgy fulcrum]

Nice! I'd say that's a good result then - it's not all that even manages to get far enough to submit a game

[nimble sphinx]

i dont wana complain about the team and teammates
it is whatever it is, cant change it now, im just pissed that a trigger got removed becuse of incompetence of teammates

and now the all final sequence is cut from the submission

thats what bothers me

[rigid fog]

Damn, I missed out

[nimble sphinx]

sorry for you bor

i gotta go now anyways

see you guys later

[rigid fog]

LMFAO here here

[nimble sphinx]

i dont wana go solo

i like working on a team

[rigid fog]

Then learn to manage a team

Because from that conversation, you had no clue what you were doing

[nimble sphinx]

bro

lmao okay

how am i supposed to manage someone elses time

we all do this in our free time

[rigid fog]

But, I don't want to add fuel to the fire, so, just ignore that comment please

[nimble sphinx]

of course i delivered a project alone

its not my responsibility to manage someone elses time

[rigid fog]

Actually.. it is

[nimble sphinx]

its nobodys workplace and i respect that

[rigid fog]

If you're the lead

Were you the lead?

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, i suppose

[rigid fog]

Well, if you suppose, then maybe you weren't actually?

Not every single team needs a lead, but almost any decent team should have one.

[nimble sphinx]

you cant blame me for my teammates inability to deliver animations on time

sure

[rigid fog]

Sure I can.

[nimble sphinx]

yeah sure

its my fault he is not doing his job, rigth

yeah

yeah, exactly

so please dont assume it was my fault

[rigid fog]

You could have either a) lit a fire under their ass, b) removed them/found someone new or c) figure out a new solution to whatever problem

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, i didnt wana take any of those, i trusted them and gave them the chance to remain a part of the team

i picked them so i stick with them

[rigid fog]

I've been on teams where I've led, where I am a grunt, where I do great, where I drop the ball, everyone has bad days 😉

But usually, there's good communication

That's the super important part

[nimble sphinx]

im expecting everyone to give half the energy i give

if you cant do that, im not going to consider you in the future

this guy is definitely not being considered anymore

[rigid fog]

Honestly, after all this, why should anyone consider you?

[nimble sphinx]

because I worked on it with all my heart? I gave everything and I delivered everything I promised and more

thats the only reason

and why not?

[rigid fog]

From what I have gathered, you can't manage a team properly, you like to blame others for your incompetence and just seem unwilling to actually learn from your mistakes.

[nimble sphinx]

would like to work with you sometime to prove you wrong on all those points

[somber hazel]

d) this is my personal choice, because my gamejam teams don't have a leader: tell your team mates you got a problem with the person and tell them you leave if that mate doesn't change 🙂

[rigid fog]

@somber hazel yeah, like I said, not every single team needs a lead, but they are good to have to make final decisions, and just manage the overall production. Usually just make the most experienced jammer the lead and ggwp.

[somber hazel]

true true, just wanted to add another point, no idea which one is correct anyway 🙃

[nimble sphinx]

Yeah, the only critisism i feel is actually rigth in this situation is not getting rid of him/changing course when he didnt deliver for days

ask anyone on the team and they will all complain about said teammate

but he was our animations guy, so we needed him

[rigid fog]

No, you didnt

You didn't have to have any animations