game-jam-chat

[small fern]

if you tile that material differently, it can look fine

[west wing]

The temporal noise.

Thanks for gifs, very interesting

[small fern]

I'm just too sensitive to this

I spot it on every UE4 game that uses TAA by default

it doesn't take even a minute to see it on most

altho it does depend on the context a lot

anyway, this is quite offtopic already 😄

[gritty beacon]

Terrible Anti Aliasing

[west wing]

@small fern after using your ignore list, excluding engine content checkbox started to shrink project by another meg. So it is actually doing something. With upx it's 36 MB. Though I'm a little paranoid about something fails to package with another "Unknown error" or crash the game, so I'll try to use some pareto rule on this overall reduction. Still, lost another 10 megs today.

[small fern]

ah, you should always test all the feats you use if you strip things 😃

I know I'm not using those things, so they are fine on my use

[west wing]

Yeah. By only removing bloom kernel whch I'm pretty sure is quite safe, without ticking the "exclude engine content" checkbox, without removing all plugins and without extended asset ignore list, it's only 3 megs bigger for me. So I think I'll settle with that.

[compact cedar]

@glass fossil why not on itch? also why 700 megs?

[gritty beacon]

https://itch.io/jam/2019-summer-ue4jam/rate/468840 how did someone manage to submit after the deadline?

[balmy jacinth]

So I cant seem to find the link, but yesterday some streamer said he was gonna stream the games and rate them with a google doc. Does anyone have that link?

[round valley]

@balmy jacinth this one? https://www.twitch.tv/shadowriver

[balmy jacinth]

yes thanks

[round valley]

np 😉

btw, if we used Soundly during the jam, do we have to write it up as assets created before the jam? Even when all the sounds were part of sound-design projects in a DAW?

how does those rules work excactly

[balmy jacinth]

I think so. I remember someone had a conversation with a mod that said you did.

I could have misunderstood that though

[round valley]

In that case, I better email a judge with some more info lol

[balmy jacinth]

couldn't hurt.

[gritty beacon]

you can just edit the submission to add the missing info, no?

if that isn't enough what's the point of the edit button

[wet rivet]

I think that I'm learning just as much if not more from going back in and looking at all of the work that I did wrong on my project

Like I never did UV projection on my models, so baking lighting is a pain and I need to go through and do that

Along with saving multiple blender files at different states

And just better project organization

[leaden fog]

If everyone is posting links then i guess it's a good idea) So here's my VR entry: https://smvynt.itch.io/shipping-sheep

Yeah, the name is stupid by it was 6 am and i genuinely thought it was amazing)

[zenith gust]

I'd love to be able to plan ahead and take some time off for the megajam, are there any dates in the pipeline yet?

[wet rivet]

@zenith gust early November

[zenith gust]

Yeah I was guessing as much, question is would it start the 7th or the 14th 😄

[maiden loom]

nobody knows

[edgy fulcrum]

What's the difference between the Summer Ue4 Jam and the "Megajam"?

[maiden loom]

one is in the summer, one is not

Megajam is longer, and a bigger event overall

[limber bear]

MegaJam=bestJam

[solid abyss]

It is such a shame .. that our game works well in the unreal editor but some bug during packaging is tearing it apart

we even wrote such a good story for it 😦

[small fern]

Allar should do his "how to gamejam" video again apparently

[oblique cairn]

Perhaps the secret purpose of UE4 gamejams is to teach people the importance of testing final production build

(on multiple devices)

[small fern]

yeah, this is like first thing you should do and do it daily so you don't get surprises 🙂

that way you actually know when things went wrong if things don't work

gives more ideas where to start looking for solutions, instead of trying to figure it out at the deadline

(or notice after)

@solid abyss how does it break btw?

[oblique cairn]

This jam has also helped motivate me to keep future games small - everything loads quicker, in editor and production, packaging (after first run) takes seconds, upload is no longer a long wait

[solid abyss]

there are no complicated physics at all ..

we are using the FPS template .. not even animations

it is more like a RPG, with static models acting as characters ..

the dialogue system+item system is the main mechanics

[keen crown]

I'm happy that even with my dated knowledge about ue4 that i knew that if i build early subsequent builds are like a 10-100th of the time spend on the initial build

[solid abyss]

try playing it.. to know.. how it breaks:

https://andgeno.itch.io/the-last-confession

[small fern]

I'm just curious what are the issues

[keen crown]

i'm still bummed out how my car responds, but after rigging up the car 5 times i'm happy to got it driving.

[small fern]

and if you know solutions for them

[keen crown]

physics on that thing only likes flat surfaces

[small fern]

vehicle physics is hard

default vehicles kinda suck in many ways, and doing it from scratch properly takes mote time you have on a jam

[keen crown]

the wheels don't have verticle horizontal collision detection and if it's stuck... oh boy.

[small fern]

I've been tempted to use my existing custom vehicles and just listing them on used assets but been always too proud and tried to do them from scratch in new ways (so it'll not be cheating)

[keen crown]

glad it sorta teleports straight up if it detects something isn't right... but only happens 3-10 times.

[small fern]

I usually come up with some prototype for the tech but no actual game 😄

[keen crown]

i do think that the default physics for a vehicle work better than the WheelComponent.

next time, I might try to use that instead

more work but better results imo

[trail trellis]

I've tried lots of different ways of doing vehicles and hands down using stock physics is the best way to go. The wheel component is just too rigid and hard to tweak.

Most of the time you want arcade style physics for your games and so you get the best control this way.

[keen crown]

tried many things to get the car to fall the way i wanted to when it was going at speed, but it was like a paper air plane with the cg in the wrong place crashing to the ground less than a meter away.

Did change the cg WAAAAY back and sorta worked... but caused a sleuth of other issues.

with the cg too far back, actually causes the wheels to auto rotate

[trail trellis]

Yea, i've done two game jams using scratch-built vehicle physics. My suggestion is to keep it super simple and just get a perfectly balanced box working how you want - all the secondary elements like wheels, visual appearance etc can just be attached to it then without compromising the physics.

[small fern]

if you're ok with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG1CtlFRmpU kinda thing

[trail trellis]

When you add lots of bones using a skeletal mesh that's where you get big problems.

[small fern]

that can be done in like 1-2 days, depending on your understanding on the game physics

but that's not super good (doesn't have to be for jam)

[trail trellis]

^ That's the tutorial I was just about to link. Very good. Basis for most of my understanding of it.

[small fern]

well, half of the latter part are just straight up wrong for proper vehicles, but for arcade and quick fun, that works

it's well structured tutorial, mainly missing suspension damping

[limber bear]

Also, I posted that tutorial yesterday

coincidence?

[small fern]

well, it's one of the best intro things to arcade vehicles

there are few others too but they have other things on them as well

[limber bear]

Yeah, it is good, too bad they don't go into how they replicate that

[small fern]

these gdc talks are nice for arcade stuff:
https://youtu.be/Db1AgGavL8E
https://youtu.be/ueEmiDM94IE
https://youtu.be/3XXw-2EPlL0

RL thing is probably going to have least useful info for quick gamejam purpose, but basically the key thing to take away from the first two is that you don't have to animate everything with physics if you want to keep things in control

[limber bear]

A good phys system allows you to procedurally animate a lot of things

[small fern]

the cars flipping over is one of the things the space dust racing tutorial totally hacked with COM under ground (which causes other issues like vehicles tilting on wrong side on cornering etc)

but if you apply side forces at the COM level itself, it never tilts, so that's not an issue

no need to implement antirollbars (which is what more simlike things do)

[limber bear]

I adressed cars flipping over

[radiant badger]

Am I still able to update the game? I watched the streamer play mine, and what he was playing, wasnt what I submitted. So am I still able to make changes?

[limber bear]

by fllipping em back up

[small fern]

@radiant badger you can't change the original submission anymore

[limber bear]

but you can update your itch page with the new build, its just that epic wont be playing that one

[small fern]

wasn't the itch pages locked too?

so you basically have to create a new page for it

[limber bear]

last year it wasnt IIRC

[radiant badger]

Ok thanks. I hope the proper files were uploaded. If not I'm gonna be so mad

[limber bear]

but you will find out quickly when trying to upload

[small fern]

this seems to be a common theme on this jam :/

[limber bear]

Or any game jam really

[keen crown]

can't wait to have my shitty timelapse ready

[radiant badger]

Well even if it is the wrong file, I realize that I'm the only one to blame. I'm not being a poor sport, but I would be mad at myself

[limber bear]

Holy Drives

[small fern]

drives for pagefiles?

[limber bear]

250 gb pagefiles ?

[keen crown]

used to do pagefile drives but they be dying

seems i've found what has been ticking in my pc too

f E:\ drive

man fu seagate

[small fern]

so some of these are just partions?

or are the all different physical drives?

[keen crown]

yea got 6-7 drives in my pc

some are partitioned.

[limber bear]

I like how the 250 gb pagefile is 10 gbs

[keen crown]

250gb ssd

[limber bear]

or are you paging on unallocated somehow?

or at least win doesnt recognise

[keen crown]

oh no have multiple windows instances

[small fern]

I just have multiple computers for different os 😄

[keen crown]

this one is more or less only intended for gaming but since my main windows client takes like 10 minutes to boot and this one 20 seconds.

i sorta stopped

[limber bear]

now I feel like I am suddenly not cool anymore

[limber bear]

mine is a laptop tho

[small fern]

I got bunch of backup drives and 3.5" HDD dock for them tho

[keen crown]

:/ wish i could hook up the other 10-15tbs tucked away but half are suffering from bitrott anyway

[small fern]

I just swap those internal drives in place when needed

[keen crown]

or ... like 60% of my seagate drives, damaged sectors

[small fern]

I have tons of storage drives here, just don't keep them spinning as I don't need stuff from them most of the time

[keen crown]

should prolly go with iron wolves soon instead of barracudas

[limber bear]

I recently got a phone with 256 gb so I can use as a portable hdd

[small fern]

and how I view it, some backup drives are better to be not hooked in anyway in case of sudden events

oh, seagate 😄

lol

I've got like 90% of failure rate on all my seagates

and I've had like 10

[limber bear]

type C transfer is faster than all 3 of my hard drives it aint fair

[small fern]

I never buy them anymore

they are just garbage

[keen crown]

ye

[small fern]

now mainly getting WD's but have few failed on that too

[radiant badger]

Well good luck everyone and great work. I'll try again next jam

[small fern]

nothing like seagate tho

[keen crown]

heck my 10-15 year old 1tb toshiba drive still works even if it has been ticking for years (and already has been backed up)

but so many old school things on it i still want to use ever so often

[small fern]

I hope I don't have to buy a HDD ever again

it's such a bad tech

[keen crown]

well k can buy an 480gb ssd for like 35-50 euros but still

rather get 2-3tb for that price

[radiant badger]

@small fern could always try for a sshd

[small fern]

I got 2TB nvme for the next build

[keen crown]

sshds are sorta dead though

[small fern]

I never saw the point of them

[keen crown]

sorta faster but not by a whole lot

[small fern]

HDD speeds are fine for storage, I have no issues with that, can just use SSD if I need speed

[radiant badger]

True, but most motherboards and cases dont have room for 6 nvme drives. And I havent seen many with 6 ssd slots

[keen crown]

just 8gb for caching the spaces allocated.

[small fern]

the issue with HDD's is that they almost always break at some point

[keen crown]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

welp shoot gotta do some stuff for work

[small fern]

@radiant badger new AMD ones have 2-3 M.2 slots and you can add pcie card that hosts multple in addition

[limber bear]

I like my sshd a whole lot better than my non sshd

I guess they are useful for laptops when doing 5k rpm instead of 72

[small fern]

but you could just use sata too for the storage

[radiant badger]

@small fern now see I wasnt aware of the pcie cards than can hold them

[keen crown]

(pci-e , Hyper m.2 x16 card)

👌

[small fern]

some motherboards even ship with those cards

those mobo's cost like fortune already tho 😄

[radiant badger]

When is the next ue4jam?

[small fern]

that would be megajam

probably at the start of the winter

[limber bear]

I still have the intel Optane 660p from last year's mega jam, sittin in its box

waiting for me to get a tower

[small fern]

last year MegaJam was in november

[keen crown]

ain't there one monthly too or did they stop doing thos

anyway check the forum once in a while

i'd suggest

[small fern]

there hasn't been monthly jams for years now?

[keen crown]

Jams get stickied

[limber bear]

or twitter, or the ue.com/news

[small fern]

4 jams per year

[radiant badger]

Awesome. I'm gonna try again then @small fern I doubt I'll be a finalist since I f'ed up. I submitted the wrong file, so its buggy

[keen crown]

👀

[small fern]

good luck 🙂

[keen crown]

welp shows how old of a ue4 user i am no

[small fern]

it's all good tho

these jams are more for having fun and learning anyway

[keen crown]

haven't touched it in 2-3+ years

till this jam

[radiant badger]

Alright well I'm headed to bed. I'm tired ah lol

[limber bear]

jams are good for learning engine stuff and learning to work with folks

[oblique cairn]

I agree, it is taking part that counts.
Unless I win. Then it is all about the winning 😛

Next jam I will try and join or form a team - it's really fun working with people who have different skillsets, being impressed by people who can do quickly something I'd find slow/challenging - and impressing people the other way round

But I do also like the reduced admin of working solo, not having to have any concern about merge conflicts or locked files, having full creative control

Though, Solo does also mean more testing (a team automatically tests more to some degree by virtue of several people working on it) - and no-one pointing out some ideas may not be so great

[carmine kindle]

I've been meaning to join a team for a jam the last 6 times I took part probably, but never really got around to it 😀

[keen crown]

more or less only going solo now is since most are not always that... available or up for it I feel. and reduced hassle i get enough of at work is great. Do think that I will never make something great solo myself but hey learning new things. Finally after years i got the time to properly dive into blender. which is great since cinema4d r12 was doable (and is still is a smoother workflow than blender ever will be) but the file formats are so out of date it is laughable how some still works.

unity works fine, but ue4 can't use my files all too well because of the lack of smoothing groups

[compact cedar]

2.8 is actually not as bad as 2.7 was

it's literally 3.0

[keen crown]

Used 2.8 this time but did have to switch from industry standard to the blender format

Missing functionality is a bitch

(certain hotkeys or menus are not accessible)

[oblique cairn]

blender 2.8 feels weird to me. Lots of the "weird" things about blender I have become accustomed to are now "normal" - how I would have expected blender to work when I first used it

I think it is better, but will take some re-learning

[keen crown]

you could always set the old old hotkeys of 2.7

even if the layout is different

also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtUQNMV50Hc helped me a lot

but this follows the new 2.8 input standard

[oblique cairn]

I saw the option for old hotkeys/input, but think it makes sense to use new setup - seems like I will prefer it once familar

video looks handy! Thanks 😃

[keen crown]

[wanton furnace]

its feel weird at the start , give it a couple of days its way better then 2.7

one thing im not a fan of tho is how they replaced the space bar with f3

🤦🏻

[keen crown]

I liked it on tab with industry standard

Real programmer autofil in mind

But hey you can always switch it

[clever barn]

Great video for Blender, I tryed to use the 2.8 for the jam but it was to much changes for me, but it convice me to try harder now ^^

Just for the collections... ❤

[trail trellis]

Yea I tried 2.8 for a week or so before the jam. Wasn't a huge fan of some of the UI choices. Also, a plugin I use didn't work how I wanted with the changes to grouping, so opted for 2.79 instead.

[wanton furnace]

guys , any idea if there are streamers playing the games we made ?

[edgy fulcrum]

Shadowriver is playing through all the games

tho he's sleeping atm

[wanton furnace]

really wanna see some unbiased opinions lol

oh cool

[edgy fulcrum]

He's done 22 so far

[trail trellis]

He's got a really neat viewer voting system too

[edgy fulcrum]

http://twitch.com/shadowriver

[trail trellis]

So you get feedback from other people

[wanton furnace]

oh yess , he played my game

[edgy fulcrum]

Which game did you do?

[wanton furnace]

moonlight maze , the black and white puzzle game

[edgy fulcrum]

Ah, that one was really good!:)

Well done

[wanton furnace]

thank you !

[edgy fulcrum]

He gave it a chance to win I think

[wanton furnace]

what did you make ?

yes i saw it

[edgy fulcrum]

Ah, nice:) I made 'Make Me Count', tho it's a 4player local coop so I can't really recommend it for playtesting:>

Will have to record a video for the gameplay so I at least can show it off

[wanton furnace]

yes , please do that.

[oblique cairn]

I'm very curious to see the results of shadowriver playing my game, and the user reviews - will be a good motivation to develop further if it goes down well, and good reflection if it does not

his streams have always revealed problems in previous games - technical or design, I think I've learned from them and this should work better

[analog walrus]

@oblique cairn Which game was yours?

[oblique cairn]

hope he does not get stuck in the floor, then float of sideways....

@analog walrus https://chozabu.itch.io/edgelesschill

much harder to get feedback on VR games, but a couple of kids spent much of my last dev day playing it, then fighting over who gets to play

but both new to VR, so they may have been more impressed by the system than the game

[analog walrus]

YEah, I'm hoping VR picks up this year after Iron Man and a few other games. I'm not ready to jump into VR where it is right now.

[oblique cairn]

I got a vive to work on VR games.... then got so distracted playing VR games my productivity massivly dropped

[analog walrus]

Looks interesting, I'll play it in a bit. A third of the points for the jam come from visuals and you get nothing if you didn't make them. That's a big handicap going in.

[oblique cairn]

Gorn, SuperhotVR, To The Top, Jet Island and a few others are really fantastic

[analog walrus]

Gorn?

oih nevermine

there's two games with that name

and I think of the other one first

[oblique cairn]

@analog walrus I think level design, procedural animation, some materials and various other bits should happily count towards visuals - though I agree, will be unlikley to get full marks

despite using an assetpack for most meshs and materials, I still probably spent half my time on visuals

[analog walrus]

I did a full playthrough of mine and posted it since the levels seemed a lot harder for people than I expected them to be. https://youtu.be/1jK0LtOxj_o

[oblique cairn]

final level of my game is fairly brutal... kids testing it could not finish 😄

[analog walrus]

I'm slow at art work. I tried to team up with an artist and they all backed out at the last minute. So I went simple as I could and focused on mechanics.

Still ran out of time at the end though from tracking down a self inflicted bug.

[oblique cairn]

I also have a "hidden" (unfinished) level in my game, if you climb the walls in the menu level

what was your bug?

[analog walrus]

Cool, yeah mine's the same there's the obvious routes and then others

I spent too much time getting the highscore system working but I think a lot of the draw for a game like that is bragging rights so felt justified

Found a bunch of bugs though right after the deadline, once the pressure was off.

It wouldn't let you win the level if you took over 24 minutes

and the visual timer reset to zero at 245 minutes

24 minutes

[oblique cairn]

The way it always is 😄 day after deadline @wet rivet let me know my game was bugged on oculus, and even suggested a very effective fix

[analog walrus]

It was a stupid error brought on from the speed at which I implenmented stuff. I recorded a lot of the dev work it's a bit of a crazy workflow jumping from blender, photoshop, soundly, audacity etc...

I used timespan to format the text quickly for the high scores and timers

but didn't include days orginally

and fixed:

[oblique cairn]

@analog walrus Looking at your game, thoughts are:
Pro: looks nice, interesting level of freedom, physics and mechanics looks solid, camera transitions are good
Con: hard to know where to go, and what buttons will do, looks a little samey, paper-thin walls could do with a little thickness

[analog walrus]

YEah, I've already ficxed a lot of that

THe walls were thin because I made a level builder and with them being thin it was simpler to implement

I made them thicker now, and witht he rendering changes it looks a lot better

[compact cedar]

@analog walrus have you removed the borders collision?

[analog walrus]

?

[compact cedar]

between cells on the floor

red ones

[analog walrus]

Yeah mostly, there needs to be some roughness to the floor but yeah it wasn't meant to be that defined

for some reasone the build I submitted wasn't using the UCX collision

[compact cedar]

it was horrible to control -_-

[analog walrus]

I really dont knw why

[compact cedar]

ball jumped on each tile

[analog walrus]

STill working on some things , but adding the stuff I wanted to and didnt have time. GOing to use the game jam level as the player training level and build a central warp hub for any number of levels and maybe make a level editor that can ship with it

I like the game more than I thought I would and it was fun to make so I'm going to go with it. It reminds me of the games I was making for fun years ago

I made a 2d game kinda like it for my kid to play on android a long time ago

@oblique cairn DO i need VR to play this?

[compact cedar]

@analog walrus visually i'd love to see floor tiles hilight under the ball, maybe area around too...if you know how to do that

[analog walrus]

I added a shadow under the ball and the area around the player is brighter now which was something I wanted to have from the beginning to make air movement and landing easier.

I spent no time on lighting before the deadline

[compact cedar]

i was hoping for some advanced vfx

[analog walrus]

it'll get there. I used the texture from the buttons for the particles in the jam to save time

I was just beat at the end

[compact cedar]

@analog walrus i'm talking about current updates, not jam submission

[oblique cairn]

@analog walrus yes, it is VR RoomScale only (perhaps standing)

[analog walrus]

yeah, I'll spend time on those soon, I'd like to keep it defined visual but definitely some more eye candy. I didn't even work on level design until the last few hours.

@oblique cairn Ah, ok. I don't have VR. Is there a good one to get that could work with PS4, PC and Xbox?

[oblique cairn]

I'm not aware of any that will work cross-platform like that

[analog walrus]

My kid is bugging me for one anyone and some of these Jam entries look cool. I want to check them out.

[oblique cairn]

Heard PSVR is OK

I'm happy with the original vive

[analog walrus]

I know you can use the PS4 one on P C with some work

[oblique cairn]

Valve Index looks like the cream of the crop at the mo

[analog walrus]

PS4 is what matters most to me

[oblique cairn]

your only option may be PSVR then

Though, I hear it has sub-par tracking

still, looks like it can be made to work with steamvr

[analog walrus]

I read that too, but that was like two years ago

I looked at it and you had to tweak some drivers or something at the time but it was doable

[stable kiln]

i wouldnt get psvr if u wunna dev

unless u have a ps4 devkit

[leaden fog]

@oblique cairn game looks cool. Gonna try it at work)

[stable kiln]

can use it on pc with some work and work with it on PC is not the same thing

[analog walrus]

YEs.

[stable kiln]

get ur kid a gaming pc 😛

with controller

[oblique cairn]

@leaden fog Thanks - there is a link to rift version in desc if needed - recommended over main download even with vive actually (fixes inconsitant height too)

[stable kiln]

actually skip the controller 😛

[analog walrus]

@stable kiln She has my old Dev workstation and a PS4 controller hooked up to it. She's good.

[stable kiln]

tried gettin the ps move to work on pc once, didnt go smooth

[oblique cairn]

Right, I better go outsid before dark

[analog walrus]

There was a project out there for getting it working on PC. I'm hoping it's further along now

[leaden fog]

@oblique cairn I have Vive. So, sadly, no testing on Oculus

[stable kiln]

dont count on it, just get pc VR and u can do next jam in VR

[oblique cairn]

@leaden fog no worries, I've already had it confirmed on rift, still recommend download at the top of desc for vive

[leaden fog]

Ok, thank you)

[analog walrus]

I'd probably still go with something that works with PS4. I know there are sets that work on both. If I was going to make something VR I would go for PS4 first. I just really like working with it.

[stable kiln]

ok, good luck

[analog walrus]

I just really like some of the design choices Sony made.

[stable kiln]

yea closed system is one of em i guess 🙂

[analog walrus]

honestly, I liked that they were as cautious as they were. Microsoft made some serious errors when they implemented things and compromised a whole bunch of users.

[stable kiln]

true sony never did that 😄

[analog walrus]

Microsoft messed up all their parental controls and family accounts. Sony was cautious to make sure they could still enforce theirs before allowing crossplay, which they ultimately have allowed.

I mean they've both had huge mess ups.

[stable kiln]

anyways u need a devkit to dev for ps4

if u got 1 go wild

[analog walrus]

Thanks.

[stable kiln]

gotta log, gl

[gaunt copper]

I return to stream gamejam submission after community stream

[keen crown]

hey did anyone perhaps use the new grease pencil in blender

cause want to see how to it feels in comparison to macromedia flash

🖐 😩 and yeah macromedia, cause flash never really changed

[compact cedar]

@keen crown this is #game-jam-chat

[keen crown]

ye was for the trailer

wanted to update it

add some story which i had in mind after having to change out the model. if i had the time and didn't crash on monday, i'd have made an sketched cinematic intro

[compact cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuVboEAvq5xQB7u5evs5kCg

^ this guy uses grease pencil a lot

[keen crown]

[ionic yarrow]

Is there any reason to keep working on my jam project? It won’t help my odds or anything correct?

[analog walrus]

What you submitted before the deadline is what is judged. Some people are taking their projects and refining them but not for the jam.

[keen crown]

^ this, some try to make it into a releasable game.

[ionic yarrow]

Got it. Thanks ya’ll. I think I’d have to be a finalist for me to want to continue. I can’t gauge how flushed out my concept was and how good my prototype presented that.

By any chance do participants receive their scorecard results after the judging is complete? I would really like to understand and learn from my mistakes.

[keen crown]

well some are voters be streaming the games made

i know that Allar and Shadowriver do

you prolly can get live or recapped info if available from them in before final scoring in september

[pine fulcrum]

we're not official judges

I once was an official judge

for a very short time

[wanton furnace]

hey allar can you link your channel please?

[pine fulcrum]

my channel is garbage

https://www.twitch.tv/shadowriver

[wanton furnace]

lol

[pine fulcrum]

so yall

what are the must plays

and/or games yall submitted

[wanton furnace]

https://terzalo.itch.io/an-important-delivery i enjoyed this one so much (not mine)

https://sp0rx.itch.io/pond this was also fun

[small fern]

@pine fulcrum did you play this already? https://hodgeasaurus.itch.io/make-eat-count

[pine fulcrum]

nope

[small fern]

(not mine, just funny concept)

[keen crown]

ah, yeah remember you were one when i submitted stuff like years back. ought u still were

still you play and stream m doe

[pine fulcrum]

i never do that anymore

[keen crown]

aight

[pine fulcrum]

an important delivery

is pretty dope yall

[keen crown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T78HD1ns7-0 here be a shitty vid for a shitty game (about 80-90% of the entire development cycle, did some parts off stream)

[pine fulcrum]

did itch disable ratings

or did epic disable ratings for the game jam submissions

theres no 5 star button

[keen crown]

well for me voting is disabled for all entries

[wanton furnace]

last time epic staff played all the games , so yeh they dont look at rating

[analog walrus]

Ratings went away when the files were locked. Someone didn't push a button or something and they were unlocked for a long time after the deadline.

[empty tartan]

Here is my entry. I got called in for 2 days so a lost a fair whack of time. 😫

https://itch.io/jam/2019-summer-ue4jam/rate/468401

[leaden fog]

@oblique cairn tried your game. Woah! Very cool mechanics!

and looks

[spice falcon]

Whats up fellow devs, just joined this channel and wanted to say hi 🙂
Also me and a buddy participated in the summer jam recently. Anybody knows when the results are going to be announced?
Here is out entry by the way: https://caspianinteractive.itch.io/math-manor

[oblique cairn]

@leaden fog Thanks! Lots of effort went into the mechnics and level design - though I cant take much credit for the base assets

results 4th nov IIRC

[spice falcon]

@oblique cairn alright thanks buddy

By the way another question, we already have some ideas on how to make the game better but of course don't want to interfere with the jam results. Does anybody know if it is ok to update the game that was submitted now? Or should the game be left alone till the the 4th of November?

[edgy fulcrum]

I thought it was 5th sept? Edit: Yes, it's 5th. "We'll announce the winners on the September 5th livestream."

and no - you can't update or change anything with the build you submitted

[spice falcon]

@edgy fulcrum Yeah I thought 4th of nov sounds a bit too long. Ok thanks.

[oblique cairn]

Erk, I misremembered and mistyped!

had just crawled out of bed, much more awake now

[wanton furnace]

decided to continue working on the game i made for the jam , heres the little mushrooms walk cycle , im really bad at animation but trying to force myself to get used to it

[digital oracle]

Oh my god it looks cute O // O

[edgy fulcrum]

Real nice! Add in some follow through on the head and you're set, Garatoon!:)

[oblique cairn]

@wanton furnace looks nice! but a little stiff, only in the arms I think - but perhaps intentional and it'll work well in the game

[wanton furnace]

yup the stiffness was the aim actually , still experimenting what type of animations i really want

[gaunt copper]

Resuming the #ue4jam playthrough marathon, 139 entries left to play! Hop in, watch them... and score them too! ^^ #ue4jam #ue4 #gamejam #gamedev https://www.twitch.tv/shadowriver

[oblique cairn]

I made an animated gif as the preview for my game: https://chozabu.itch.io/edgelesschill - Feels much better than the previous generic landscape shot (Thanks to @analog walrus for the tip!)

(though, I perhaps should have used a better clip, that shows off the slowmo)

[amber latch]

Just been playing this @oblique cairn pretty cool game

threw me at first when i heard an ambulance and the window shutting in the music 😂

[oblique cairn]

@amber latch thanks!

and ah! That is in the music

when it happened on @gaunt copper s stream, I was convinced it was outside his window...

amazed i never caught that sound during dev/testing....

[amber latch]

when testing you kind of get use to it so you never notice it

but its a cool game, fun to play, spent good 30 mins in endless

[oblique cairn]

Really glad I added endless, it is kind of an afterthought - level I was using for testing

There is also a hidden level, if you climb the walls in the "menu" level

(hidden as it is really very unfinished, was starting on a movement-only level with no fighting, but got low on time)

[analog walrus]

@oblique cairn Your entry has me looking at VR sets. I want to start testing the waters on making some VR stuff now.

It has me looking seriously now at getting one sooner rather than later

[oblique cairn]

@analog walrus It sure is fun stuff - I have a vive, and happy with it - but would prefer a better screem
Valve index looks like the best around at the mo

I think the main things to look out for are how good the screen is, and how accurate the tracking is - high end oculus rift models look good too

[analog walrus]

Thanks. I need to brush up on it. I really would like to have something I can use on PS4 and PC.

[oblique cairn]

Only thing on PS4 is PSVR - but sounds like it is not too good on PC

(as in, it can be made to work, but perhaps a bit hackey, piping info through ps4 or something)

[analog walrus]

I've read that the other headsets can work on it, is that wrong?

[oblique cairn]

... I thought so, but am not well informed on the matter

[analog walrus]

There was a project that added drivers for it and had it working. Yeah, I'll have to dive into it.

Some of the stuff I've seen from the Jam has me wanting to work with it. I'll start researching it this week.

[oblique cairn]

I'm still very tempted to upgrade to a Valve index - but not sure I can justify it at the moment, may just get the controllers, unsure though

[analog walrus]

Ouch, the index looks out of my price range at the moment

[gaunt copper]

i start stream a bit later, i need to eat dinner first

but max in 30 mins

[compact cedar]

Index is not available in my country...probably won't be even. Since we still can't buy Steam controller here officially.

[wet rivet]

Rift-S is a pretty nice headset from what I’ve heard

Haven’t used it personally but I plan on getting on soonish

[compact cedar]

i'm interesten in knuckles mainly

and as soon as i have vive - index is more appealing

[gaunt copper]

Starting day 4 of Summer #ue4jam playthrugh marathon stream, 92 entries to go! Join in to see them and score them ^^ #ue4 #gamedev #gamejam https://www.twitch.tv/shadowriver

[edgy fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/BTKhlQdovOw
I made a trailer for my groups GameJam submission!:) Might have had more fun doing sequence-stuff than actual gameplay recordings >_>

[paper scaffold]

This looks awesome

Great work!

[oblique cairn]

@edgy fulcrum ah! That looks good, music works really well with it too 🙂

[compact cedar]

@gaunt copper is playing through the game jam...

[glass fossil]

Anyone feeling a Nip Rush right now?

Killing Yanks and bombing planes lately?

In the Pacific?

[glass fossil]

n o

Character artist: Pedro D.
material progress on the Miner for August

Also the BlunderBuck shotgun completed recently

[oblique cairn]

just tried building my VR game for HTML5.
Did not seem to trigger VR in browser, and character fell through the floor

@glass fossil nice dwarf and blunderbuck!

[analog walrus]

@oblique cairn I did the same with mine. It ran fine but the colors were all off. Not unexpected and easy to fix. Point lights were gone too. So probably have to do something with those. I was thinking of putting it on my website as a free game .

I had no idea you could do VR through html though

[oblique cairn]

@analog walrus it does not work with VR, just double checked with chrome (after it didn't work with firefox)

took a few mins and made a snow shader that I should have made during the jam: https://i.imgur.com/CXqTXAx.gifv

(just played and was inspired by "Journey")

[zinc relic]

its pretty cool

[pine fulcrum]

yo any more must plays

whats good out there bois

or peoples games who submitted I don't know bout

[zinc relic]

blackout

that is dope

[gaunt copper]

Starting day 5 of my #ue4jam play through marathon. We gonna play rest of 45 submissions. Hop in to see them and score them too ;] https://www.twitch.tv/shadowriver

[pine fulcrum]

oh snap I had the same idea

[zinc relic]

oh i can share my twitter

yes go online allar

[pine fulcrum]

I am such an angry person now

[pine fulcrum]

wild idea

@civic dock brands an itch game jam

no theme

rule: 3 minutes of gameplay

game auto-closes

entire point of game jam is flexing low barrier to entry instant fun

[civic dock]

That's actually an interesting idea. I don't think I'd explicitly do that, but that sounds like the seed of something pretty great.

[pine fulcrum]

games score based on how many times they're played

alternate category: most impactful single playthrough

[civic dock]

I think what I really like is the idea of innovating on the game jam formula a bit by forgoing themes in favor of some other design constraints. That could produce some really cool stuff.

[pine fulcrum]

if a player can't understand your game and spends two minutes figuring out controls, then that is literally your game

[analog walrus]

I'm a huge fan of creativity within the boundaries of limitations

[civic dock]

Instead of "make a game that uses this theme", I'd love to see stuff like "Make a game that takes place entirely in one room."

[pine fulcrum]

aye

[civic dock]

Man. I think that might be the next Unreal Slackers game jam. The One Room Game Jam.

Or something like it.

[analog walrus]

how big a room though?

[pine fulcrum]

wouldn't be that specific

alternatively

i'd be hyper specific

[civic dock]

If you want to get hyper specific: "Make a game that takes place completely inside an elevator."

😄

[pine fulcrum]

nah

[analog walrus]

Would this be one room?

@civic dock I kinda love that

[pine fulcrum]

i'd need elevator dimensions + minimum character size

[compact cedar]

@analog walrus 10 character lengths

[analog walrus]

Ah, see I was already thinking micro character sizes for the elevator.

[civic dock]

Yeah, dimensions would probably be in order for a one room jam, but only max dimensions. I'd want room for creative freedom.

Like "no bigger than 100 square feet" or something like that.

[pine fulcrum]

aye, if putting any limitations on it I'd prefer to put all the limitations on it

I'd suspect you'd see a bell curve of game design convergence

bulk of entries deriving a common idea based on limitations but the outliers are gonna be the gold bits

which would also serve as a neat study on game design itself

I'd also want to get increasingly bizarre

like supply 2 minutes of recorded keyboard input

and make people design a game that the input achieves a win condition

but it should also be able to be played by a regular human

[analog walrus]

Now see, that's the kind of stuff that I think would be crazy fun

Here's my floor plan for 100 square feet.

[pine fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/IEHc.gif

[compact cedar]

@analog walrus i need a footprint of this room

[analog walrus]

Oh, a game that uses patterns you can't see if you're not color blind. Only the color blind or someone wearing glasses that filter out a certain spectrum of light could win.

[edgy fulcrum]

Oh man, that's really interesting idea, Mike! Tho would it be possible?

[analog walrus]

Yeah, it's doable.

hardest part would be ensuring the colors were true on multiple monitors, you'd need to setup a calibration screen or something just to be sure. I mean it's easy to make the colors match each other within the game but ensuring they display at the same wavelength on every monitor might be tough

[pine fulcrum]

ayyy

[stable kiln]

@pine fulcrum at least my game doesnt have any gameplay at all 🙂

3 to 5 min game is basically what i do 😛

and should be 100% inside the weekend whatever timezone

[analog walrus]

You'd have to add an element to the puzzles that was generated at run time too or someone could just learn the pattern and follow it. So it'd need a problem that would have too many possible solutions to make random luck work and was generated each run through.

Oh man, you could even have walls that have no geometry and are only visible in that spectrum. The whole map would look different

It's kinda gimmicky but a neat idea.

[minor hemlock]

dude an escape room jam would rock my world

[wet rivet]

I’d love an escape room jam you could do so much with that

Personally I’d do a game for the quest uses the max tracking range I think

[compact cedar]

If anyone wants to join, Shadow is now hosting a server for https://shadowriverue4.itch.io/single-bullet
Steam US region need to be set to join

US minneapolis

[compact cedar]

@gritty beacon shadow is playing Time Jump

[edgy fulcrum]

@analog walrus - I've been thinking on your idea with the colors and found this site:
https://franciscouzo.github.io/ishihara/

How hard would it be to make a postprocess shader that creates the same kind of thing? Could assume that the game would be black and white as a base and then with a post on it that makes all black into colorblind-visible

[maiden loom]

as post process I guess it could be done, but to do it properly would probably be really quite involved

[compact cedar]

especially if some persistence between the frames is needed

[analog walrus]

@edgy fulcrum I wouldn't want to do it as a post process. You could do it with color parameters and get the colors from a calibration screen. As @maiden loom said doing it as a post ads a whole bunch of complexity

I don't think it's a unique idea. It's very similar to some other things that have already been done by others.

You could probably do it in a way that the colors didn't have to be precise too.

[gaunt copper]

here final sheet from my stream showing my score and viewer score from stream https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eNRyV8Fm4jWkzhHQ7cDQMVQpaL9cVp25e89vHL04mJs/edit?usp=sharing

[azure flicker]

@gaunt copper neat!
Got a question tho, is it possible to watch the recorded stream anywhere?

I am very cutious what your feedback for my was like, sadly tho I was unable to watch the streams live 😢

[sleek rivet]

Yep

It's on twitch @azure flicker

https://www.twitch.tv/shadowriver/videos

[gaunt copper]

i be transfering videos to unlisted youtube to archive them as twich gonna remove there copies starting next week. I gonna post links here then.

[azure flicker]

@gaunt copper aw man, I just check the stream.
Such a shame I wasn't watching live 😅

I developed that top down western shooter game with the one bullet.
The AI was actually fixed in the 77mb build, but I couldn't push the update for the full 100mb build because of the deadline.
Too bad I could not tell you live 😬
Thanks a lot for playing 😉

[analog walrus]

@gaunt copper It was a lot of fun playing along on some of those. I wish had been able to catch more of it.

[gaunt copper]

@azure flicker you should make it multiplayer :p

even local

as i said it's better idea from our game Single Bullet

and it looks nicer too

[lilac fox]

@gaunt copper Thanks for playing our game (Disposa-Bot), apologies for the major struggle you went through but its deeply appreciated you stuck with it.
Always fun to see some one play and where we can improve in the future :3

[autumn abyss]

hey guys any of you participating on the extra credits jam?

[vapid thistle]

In the game jam why did the number of entries just go up by two?

[edgy heath]

Hey guys, come check out my summer gamejam submission, wonShot
https://rooibos-does.itch.io/wonshot

[edgy heath]

@gaunt copper thanks for playing and rating wonShot!

[wanton furnace]

@gaunt copper thank you for taking time to play all the games

btw guys any idea when epic is gonna review the jam ?

[maiden loom]

usually takes a few weeks

[sleek rivet]

5th of September IIRC

[empty tartan]

If I made footage after the Jam to go with my submission, who is the best person to send it to?

[oblique cairn]

@empty tartan I think you can still add it to submission & jam page

[edgy fulcrum]

Yeah, just update your submission site with the link to the video

[scarlet lotus]

Yikes, just watched the @gaunt copper playthrough of my game and it was painful

Surprised it worked at all on Rift, but "worked" might be a little generous

And apparently I submitted a dev build with print strings enabled

[gaunt copper]

@scarlet lotus you mean Water World one? :p keep in mind that i got small room with limited tracking (picking up or walking toward something is hard for me) and my play space is broken on SteamVR. SteamVR is more strict on play space and reset dont help.

And normally if you do inputs properly, you game should work on any HMD

[scarlet lotus]

No it was the clock one

Where you couldn't catch the ball after firing the slingshot

I should have included in the instructions that if you hit an enemy it will bounce back at your slingshot

So you don't have to move very far to catch it

Still difficult to catch the small ball, but with super hot time it's doable if you take it slow

Still appreciate you playing it @gaunt copper , it was just hard to see my game fail so much after all that work

[gaunt copper]

@scarlet lotus oh,, ue4 got common interface for stereo headset display and motion tracking via XRSystem, so technicly all games you make for VR in UE4 should work on any headset as long as you got all headsets plugins enabled and you should not be suppriced, even if you would disable oculus plugin i would able to run it in SteamVR which does the same thing allowing to use different headsets and even some hack solutions like involving Kinect under common interface. Only issue is inputs as there no defensive VR controller standard, but in this jam i find way to force game to run via SteamVR and it rebinds oculus controller to work with Vive controller game

And don't be hard on your self, everyone can have bad entries ;p check our AI spew tech from last megajam, it was total mess

[analog walrus]

Just getting something you can call a game done in 5 days is a feat in of itself. Mine was a buggy mess. I fixed so many bugs in the day after the deadline.

[near cairn]

@scarlet lotus it's ok bro at least you completed it and submitted in time mine was buggy but I wasn't able to complete it in time

Missed by 2 mins it is disqualified from the jam but I guess you can play it i just added the game

[maiden loom]

the trick is to get something you can call a game done in three days

that gives you two days to track down and fix issues, and slap some polish on it

also always submit a version of the game hours before the deadline - you can replace it with a newer version later 😄

[gritty beacon]

hours? what is this? the best time to submit the build is two seconds before the deadline

like this

[autumn abyss]

Hi guys for those that would like to put their skills to practice there's a really popular gamejam taking place over the weekend called extra credits https://itch.io/jam/extra-credits-game-jam-5 my team and I we are going to create a horror game so if this sounds like would be up your alley here's the link to join us https://crowdforge.io/jams/extra-credits-game-jam-5/teams/4194/dashboard

[near cairn]

@gritty beacon A legend !😶 🌟

[gritty beacon]

unless they just didn't look at the time, filling out that form seconds before the end must have been the most stressful moment ever

[glass fossil]

DAMMIT

ill be out this weekend for work 😦

[wanton furnace]

https://itch.io/jam/cgj good luck fideo , but im going for this one

[glass fossil]

got a good team, so far communication on point

[gaunt copper]

looks liek there 4 extra entries :>

[analog walrus]

@gaunt copper I saw that too. Maybe they were uploaded in time but for some reason not submitted?

I couldn't find the submission time on the pages when I looked at them earlier.

Ultimate PlaneShooter showed 2 seconds before the deadline but then there's 5 entries that show as submitted after it was that don't show submission time.

I only looked at one, but the files were dated prior to the deadline on it.

[oblique cairn]

I just had a look at @gaunt copper s EpicJam spreadsheet - and saved a copy sorted by player score: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ud8ZH8CVck7uBiYuSo88WitGYsWJtvBkvmlpsdjLHqA/edit?usp=sharing

[analog walrus]

In the top 25% I'll take it.

[edgy heath]

Man...my player score sucked... Can u sort it by like.... How good it made me feel to finish on time?

[solid abyss]

talking about unfinished .. here is a brief playthrough of our game (without spoilers) ..

Art-Work: Majorly Incomplete
Dialogues: Done (some typos remain)
Bugs: Some minor ones remain
Character Sounds: Only Dad is working .. rest are ready, but not implemented in time.

https://youtu.be/F_SDwYerf4s

[amber latch]

Ill take top ten... im extremely happy with that!

[toxic harbor]

Just watched @gaunt copper give Ne/10 a shot on the VOD and was honestly a little dissappointed 😦
Im not entirely sure why the assumption that you couldn't kill the green guys happened, they're easy kills they just have more health (because they're melee), also not sure why ya stopped holding the shoot button down and started being picky with the shots, the enemies are literally everywhere 🤣

But because of that last bit, and the part that actually disappointed me the most about the playthrough was that you didn't notice your auto fire rate gets boosted the more of a spree you rack up without getting hit

That said, I also get it at the same time. There's no proper conveyance in the game, sadly I just couldn't figure out all the UI stuff in time to make a front menu or in-game instruction page to explain anything. Hitting enemies should have at least flashed a red indicator over the cursor on confirmed hit, and the spree counter should have been accompanied somewhere on screen by a fire rate boost indication. I seriously underestimated the UI implementation and how different it is compared to other engines I've used.

As my first ever UE powered game, and the first gamejam i've ever been apart of that gets scored, i'll take the score as is and take it as a proper learning experience for me to make mechanic conveyance more of a priority going forward, im just saddened that the deeper mechanics werent on demonstration for the audience who then judged it by what they saw

Either way, thanks for giving it a play, I hope to do better next time 🙂

[minor hemlock]

@toxic harbor presenting gameplay is just as important as actual gameplay in jam games 😦 annoying when people play and completely miss the point though

my first jam game ended up impossible to beat on keyboard and I didn't realize until I watched someone stream it 🤣

[toxic harbor]

@minor hemlock Ya I agree, I super wish I took a few moments to learn UMG, but coming from a Unity and previous to that, Flash background, I didn't pay it too much mind until the last minute when I learned it's a tad more involved than i'm used too. Entirely my fault.

That said, after submitting the game, I slotted gamers and even some non-gamers in front of it cold way to see their behaviour and it was all fine (non-gamers got wasted much faster of course), the only hint I ever had to give out was to hold shift to run. This is for real and legit the first time i'm seeing this different approach to playing it XD and it's sad to me that it happened on stream to a wide audience 🤣

[gaunt copper]

@toxic harbor what entry you talking about?

[toxic harbor]

Ne/10, the very first entry you played haha

[knotty hollow]

hey guys can i make a cartoonie 2d game for the next game jam in 3 days

38

[oblique cairn]

has anyone here marketplace credit from a jam raffle, and had it work? mine seems bugged, and not heard back from marketplace support for a week or two

wondering if it is just me, or a more common problem

[oblique cairn]

well, not a big issue - will poke them again in a week or two if nothing happens

[wanton furnace]

yeh i have , and i got it

email them back

[edgy heath]

Who else liked their jam game so much they are continuing development?

[carmine zenith]

Random Question:
I see that people keep updating the game they did for the Jam in Itch.io.... I guess that itch has some kind of versioning that only allows versions of the game that were submitted before the deadline?
It'd be really unfair otherwise

[gritty beacon]

make sure you don't delete the build you uploaded before the deadline

since that's the one they'll be looking at

[carmine zenith]

I only updated that one, and never updated

[gritty beacon]

the new ones are just for players

[maiden loom]

in previous jams it was not possible to update the game after the submission period

this was unlocked after a couple of weeks, presumably to allow Epic to download the entries

[carmine zenith]

👍🏼 that makes more sense now

[gritty beacon]

this time they only locked it like 2 days after the deadline

[carmine zenith]

I only have one version so I guess that's all good

[glass fossil]

what and when is the next game jam?

[civic dock]

@glass fossil The next one is the biggest of the year, the Epic MegaJam. It's expected to be in early November.

[glass fossil]

thanks

[gritty beacon]

looking at the description and prizes from the one last year

I'm not seeing what makes the mega jam bigger

seems like pretty much the same thing

[analog walrus]

The update means they changed something on the entry or the game page, not that the files were changed.

[edgy heath]

When will summer jam winners be announced?

[civic dock]

@edgy heath On the September 5 stream, next Thursday.

[remote oyster]

when the next jam is gonna be? is there a place with a full schedule?

[civic dock]

No, they haven't announced a date yet.

But it's expected to be in early November.

[trail trellis]

Posted a brief behind-the-scenes video on my jam game for anyone curious: https://twitter.com/NocturnaIArts/status/1168484234815651840

Nocturnal Arts (@NocturnaIArts)

Here's a short video giving insight into some of the visual effects that featured in Blackout. Hoping other #ue4 devs will find it interesting or helpful for future jams. Just please don't judge my blueprint spaghetti! ;) #unrealengine #ue4jam #gamedev https://t.co/MLRqZQ...

Twitter

[mossy quarry]

Sorry guys I don't know which channel to post this in but I thought it's better to go to game jam,so my question is can I host a game jam and then can I inform everyone on the channel #game-jam-chat so would it be legal or only ue4 game jams are hosted there

[ruby nimbus]

Does anyone know the time, when the stream will start on the 5th of September?

[glad wing]

the Thursday stream is always at 2pm Eastern AFAIK

[ruby nimbus]

@glad wing Thanks👍🏻

[oblique cairn]

@mossy quarry I've seen other jams discussed here - think it should be fine to post a link. Don't go spamming the channel up posting it lots of times though

[mossy quarry]

thaks\

[gritty beacon]

anyone know when the stream is today?

I'm too blind to find the post

nvm here it is https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/events/1660229-unreal-engine-livestream-2019-summer-ue4jam-results-september-5-live-from-hq

[oblique cairn]

ooh! half an hour will be sure to catch this one

[gaunt copper]

@gritty beacon 20 min

30

[oblique cairn]

28 😄

[gritty beacon]

[oblique cairn]

Think I am unlikley to win anything, but am in with a chance....

Will be interesting to see if there are any winners I'd not noticed

[glad wing]

this one they’re showing off is impressive

[wanton furnace]

hyped

[gaunt copper]

really unexpected top 3 :p

[glacial belfry]

really unexpected

[compact cedar]

Well. The results were expected to be unexpected...

@gaunt copper it's all how you said, "never expect winners to be what my ratings expects"

[gaunt copper]

yea but non of my chances got to top 3 ;p combo breaker

except blackout in category

[compact cedar]

ahahaha

yeah

[gaunt copper]

im happy blackout atleats got that

oh and top user rating got top 3 so i guess

oh and im happy @leaden fog got VR :p

[leaden fog]

yeah, Blackout is a neat game!

[gaunt copper]

i think i was saying its a contender in stream

[leaden fog]

you did)

i actually thought chozabu would win

with ninja vr game

[compact cedar]

yeah, so weird...but Sheeps are nice

[gaunt copper]

oh yea :> but you feels like mroe complete game imo

[compact cedar]

agree

[leaden fog]

with game breaking meachanic)

[compact cedar]

ahahah

well, it worked for epic i guess

[gaunt copper]

maybe Victor played in vive :p

[leaden fog]

guess they didn't have that bug) phew)

[compact cedar]

Los is a loss, and Win is a Win. Congrats to the winners once again.
I need a drink...gonna make some milkshake to drown myself

[gaunt copper]

Btw here YouTube archive of my stream https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6jhHjArDB9NBEod1Bgq1w_EiC-youzgh

since twich deleted there copies

[leaden fog]

@gaunt copper cool!

[tranquil matrix]

@gaunt copper @leaden fog We did play Shipping Sheep on a Vive

Didn't come across anything game breaking

Loved the Ninja game too

They were the two top contenders, but we decided on Shipping Sheep because it pertains to a larger audience, and was easier to "pick up and play"

As much as I love violent VR games, I have to be as objective as I can

I came here to let you all know that the MegaJam is happening early November

I forgot to mention that on the stream

We will have dates for you soon

[leaden fog]

@tranquil matrix thank you)

Shadow had problems with physics on his playthrough. I don't think it's the Oculus problem but more powerful cpu. I think it's the way I setup physics. I thought it would work same on any platforn but it didn't. Would be smarter next time)

[tranquil matrix]

Mm our game jam PC is the beefiest one we have here in our office

[leaden fog]

Huh. Then I'll just have to test on different platforms more.

Anyway. Thank you again for the jam! Congrats to all winners! And respect to all contestants! That was cool experience)

[lilac fox]

Who were the winners? :3

[tranquil matrix]

I'm updating the forum post and the game jam page with them atm 🙂

[compact cedar]

@lilac fox @leaden fog was ... with his https://itch.io/jam/2019-summer-ue4jam/rate/468440
https://itch.io/jam/2019-summer-ue4jam/rate/468455
https://itch.io/jam/2019-summer-ue4jam/rate/468143
https://itch.io/jam/2019-summer-ue4jam/rate/468500
https://itch.io/jam/2019-summer-ue4jam/rate/468367
https://itch.io/jam/2019-summer-ue4jam/rate/468281

Did i miss any?

[tranquil matrix]

https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/events/1646386

^ winners are listed there

[compact cedar]

@tranquil matrix don't forget the https://itch.io/jam/2019-summer-ue4jam/results

[analog walrus]

Will we be able to see the scores the entries received in the three 5 point categories?

[oblique cairn]

I too would be very curious to see my scores - and know that needs most improvement for next time

[glad wing]

likewise

[gaunt copper]

@tranquil matrix about that bug in @leaden fog entry, it was played in Intel or AMD CPU? Since if it's not Oculus, then i think it might be CPU float computation difference

[leaden fog]

@gaunt copper mine cpu is intel

[round valley]

Hey yall! Is this a good place to talk about he UE4 Film-Jam? 🙂

https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/jump-in-the-directors-seat-and-join-the-first-ever-unreal-film-jam

or is there another channel

[edgy heath]

oh man...I didn't even get my game into the little background loop in teh stream

😥

[azure flicker]

omg that film jam looks amazing!
Sadly I couldn't join Cinematic summer, but it seems like I'll get another chance!

[analog walrus]

@tranquil matrix Will you be sharing/publishing the scores given for the three 5 point categories by which entries were judged?

[tranquil matrix]

@analog walrus No, we won't be sharing the scores

[near cairn]

@round valley That looks cool!

[oblique cairn]

It is a bit of a shame to not see the scores for my entry - but I do have a fairly good idea of what were my weaker areas after looking at the winners. (mostly art/visual, not great connection to theme, game concept could also be more exciting and original. Nicer sound and code would not hurt too 😄 )

Saying that - I'd have no complaints if, in the future, judges were able to share games scores (and ideally even a video of playtest - though we do already get this from @gaunt copper - thanks 🙂 )

[analog walrus]

It's a bit problematic if the scores are not shared.

[oblique cairn]

@tranquil matrix I am rather curious as to why the scores are not shared, Would expect it to be trivial compared to the playtest and judging of all games, and really valuable to entrants. Even a public spreadsheet would be great!
Is there some reason it can't/shouldn't be done?

(I'd imagine to reduce the chance of people grumbling about their results, but am not sure)

[gaunt copper]

But im doing that for fun and it my personal scores andn ow viewers scores which are inconsistent as most are scored by around 4-5 people

and not same people probably

[oblique cairn]

@gaunt copper good point, that makes the user scores a bit less valuable (Though, I am still very happy to see them)

[oblique cairn]

Still, looking forwards to the next jam, making sure I have the week free in advance, and will be honing my skills before it starts 😄

[oblique cairn]

Ah, Just caught mention ninja game was other top VR contender - think I have been "close" 2 jams running now... hope I can step it up for the next one!

[west wing]

If the scores cannot be shared, a greater description of the scoring criteria and judging process may give participants an idea of how to make a winning entry next time. What is considered good, what is frowned upon. I have a few contradicting assumptions, but the overall direction is vague.

Don't miss the stream marathon, by the way! It's like secondary results that arrive faster, and each game will be played, discussed, even evaluated by users (not always objective, as the "jury" is constantly changing, but it's not a real score, and it's great part of the fun). It works better for me because the number of good games has gone crazy, and all of them couldn't be squeezed into the 1-hour long Community Stream.

[oblique cairn]

I only voted on a few in shadowrivers stream - Think I was not too consistent even in myself. Didn't like voting low numbers either, so mostly just gave higher numbers to the ones I liked

@gaunt copper Could be interesting to have 3 user-voting sections based on official judging criteria? (IIRC: Fun factor, Visual appeal, and unique use of theme)
though, that may be more complexity than needed for user stream, it could still help give people feedback on what areas are weakest in a game

(we could also poke Victor to publish scores in future jams, but I think I have a better chance of poking you :P)

[west wing]

Or use same !c !g !n !m scale for voting instead of !0-10 and display them as raw "c g g g n m" string output from bot. I think conditional formatting could be used to colorize letters automatically.

[oblique cairn]

I was thinking like
!ff 8 v 7 t 9 (for funfactor, visuals, theme), but it could also be good to use same scale as shadows

[analog walrus]

There's a big difference between someone's personal stream where they are free to score things anyway they like and a contest which is obligated to set and adhere to clear and objective criteria. Shadowriver's personal stream, or anyone else's, and the scores given there are perfectly free to reflect personal opinions and likes, the contest itself cannot and must not do that and judging has to adhere to the criteria and processes laid out in the published rules.

[oblique cairn]

Yes, ideally I'd like to have both sets of scores - also interesting to compare the two

[broken ledge]

I'm surprised at how poorly my game did in downloads

[stable kiln]

there are 20 games a min uploaded to itch or something 😛

dont worry about it 😛

[broken ledge]

It's AR COD zombies though xD thought it would kill

[analog walrus]

Yeah, it's hard to stand out on itch as it is. The jam itself has a relatively small audience.

[broken ledge]

I think the effort of installing a Android game increases the effort

its not as easy as a download and run unfortunatly

[stable kiln]

ow yea thats a hard sell

you got google play for that

itch is like 99.99 pc gamers

ur lucky if u got 1 extra on top of the ppl that play all the games

all the jam games, thats shadowriver and judges

[broken ledge]

I could probably tell the exact moment the judges downloaded it as it got so few

interestingly the analytics show its my most viewed game jam, but least downloaded

[oblique cairn]

I think it's hard for people to stumble upon games on itch, since there are so many

Makes sense to link from elsewhere to be seen

I guess being android or VR only also reduces downloads

Anyone here use viveport? I'm tempted to polish up edgeless chill, add a bunch more levels and interesting things, then try and submit to viveport infinity

wanted to get archer enemies, and a slow-mo-time-remaning bar as a glowing strip on the side of the sword in the game before the end of the jam

Ninja IK could also be much less janky 😄

[analog walrus]

@oblique cairn Those models from synty are a PITA to work with for animation let alone IK. They have weird geometry at all the points where articulation maters.

They look great from a distance, but as soon as they start to fill up a good portion of the screen it starts to show.

[oblique cairn]

Hmm, they seemed OK to me - though Perhaps I have a better eye for code than art

[analog walrus]

I haven't used the ninjas so they could be the exception. I've bought most of their packs though and it seems to be consistent.

[oblique cairn]

I've not used any other packs, so can't really compare either

[analog walrus]

I went to look for an example and the other models aren't as bad as I remember. Maybe I just picked the bad ones to use. The ones with armor I used deformed weird and had to be edited.

[oblique cairn]

I think my blender skills are not too far from doing models along those lines now, but still some ways to go

[analog walrus]

I ended up learning how to do it after getting burned on some assets on the Unity store. I bought the synty ones after that and they worked. Still had to reweight a few and edit some.

[oblique cairn]

Was nice seeing how they control they colours with a "sample" texture, and UVs to pick colours for different parts of the model. Think astroneer does similar, and I may start doing so for some things too

[analog walrus]

I don't like how they just stack the vertices to pick the colors. It makes it harder to customize.

It's not hard to change though, and I see the advantages it has for putting stuff out quicker

Don't get me wrong, I think their stuff is worth the price and it's better than most of the similar other stuff out there.

[oblique cairn]

I do like how it means we only need a single material - and the whole colour scheme can be changed in a flash (by altering the texture)

Which is also good for performance and filesize - was a nice surprise for me on the last jam, and made entering <100mb much easier than I was expecting

[analog walrus]

I would rather have it setup to use color parameters so it can be modified without editing the textures. It could still be done with a single texture layout for all.

[oblique cairn]

Hmm, not totally sure what you are thinking there?

[analog walrus]

If it was masked out you could change it by changing a color parameter instead of modifying the texture.

[minor hemlock]

not to beat a dead horse, but imo if scores aren't shared it'd be great if there was a bigger community around playing others jam games and having public scoring on itch (is the jam set up for rating? I can't remembeR)

at that point you'd need a community favorite category though 😛

[analog walrus]

@minor hemlock Yes, it can do that. In most contests scoring and judging is very open. From looking more at how itch is setup for jams, I have seen it is also setup to allow scores to be shared. You can have scores from the public and/or those from chosen judges and have them listed on the jams results page. Here's one with community scores: https://itch.io/jam/gmtk-2019/results

[oblique cairn]

@minor hemlock community favorite category - that sounds fun, would need to work some things out though (like, can it overlap with other awards? Would it cause people to be posting their games a bit too much to try and get ratings?)

On the note of posting games too much... I updated main download on https://chozabu.itch.io/edgelesschill with my post-jam fixes (mostly for occulus - thanks again to @wet rivet ) - and have plans for some more updates

Will be making next Jam Game non-violent to appeal to a wider audience 😄

(well, probably, depends on theme)

[carmine kindle]

@tranquil matrix How and when will the summer jam winners be contacted? I'm just a little nervous about missing it in my spam folder or something. 😅

[carmine kindle]

In case anyone else was wondering. Just noticed there's a post on the forums that says "They have not gone out yet, expect them latest by the end of next week. If that doesn't make it to you for some reason, let us know!"

[oblique cairn]

I'd be surprised if they do end up in a spam folder - even if they have before, would expect the emails used to have been repeatedly flagged as "not spam" already

[desert coral]

@carmine kindle During the livestream they announced that I have won $50 in marketplace credits, however I haven't received an email yet. Should I still wait until Monday before contacting someone ?

[desert coral]

@carmine kindle Update: I just received the email (5 mins ago), Yay! 🙂 Thanks.

[carmine kindle]

Yup, got mine as well now.

[oblique cairn]

My credit from the jam before last still does not work

contacted the given support link (fortnite support), marketplace-support email, and community email (after being advised to in last stream)

Think it's been about a week since I emaild community support, will probably give it another week and mail them again

(oh, it may not be broken, just still displaying an error, will try buying something)

Nope, it is still broken https://i.imgur.com/yoP7S3X.png

[analog walrus]

That's wierd

You got the credit, but it just won't let you use it?

[oblique cairn]

yep, Though before I don't think I could even try and select it as a payment method - so it's prob closer to being fixed

I have a reasonable sized list of bugs to fix, suspect marketplace staff do too

[analog walrus]

I don't doubt it. They've been revamping the whole thing.

[oblique cairn]

I hope epic will do something like this: https://www.lorenzostanco.com/lab/steam/ (really good filtering of games in your steam library - and intersection with friend(s)) - but 1st party as part of the epic store

Feels weird steam has so many games, and can filter in the store (say, for local co-op games that support controllers) - but can hardly filter your own library

Doing that (for me at least) would be a massive plus point over steam for a user-experience point of view

[analog walrus]

@oblique cairn I just hope they make it lighter. It's way too sluggish now. I'd really like to see the game and dev clients separated, but doubt that will happen. It's really sluggish with 50 to 100 projects and hundreds of marketplace assets.

It would be really nice to sort like that though.

[oblique cairn]

I don't mind them being being combined, but sure would be nice to be a bit faster - Particularly ue4 library and games library

[fair oak]

Hey there! 👋

In five days the first edition of the Two Weeks Challenge will take place! 1⃣

What is it?
There are ten words chosen randomly in a dictionary in our Discord Server and when the Jam begins, the four most voted words will become the four themes from which you will have to choose one, which will be the theme of your Game Jam!

When is it?
During the two weeks that are coming up! More information on the Game Jam page:
https://itch.io/jam/two-weeks

See you in a few days!

[compact cedar]

@oblique cairn are you sure it's wise to share em@il with us?

[oblique cairn]

@compact cedar Yes 😉

It's public anyhow, but even if it wasn't - what would be the problem?

[compact cedar]

i mean your screenshot...generally people got a lot of spam regarding attempts to access epic account

[analog walrus]

Actually, I deleted that. I don't want to give anyone ideas.

[oblique cairn]

I have 2fa and very secure password system - really dont expect a problem

[maiden loom]

in the past people have managed to bypass 2FA entirely

whether those kinds of vulnerabilities still exist, I don't know, but I wouldn't want to risk it

[midnight dagger]

not too sure about those bypasses

[maiden loom]

there was an article not so long ago about how they did it

it involved Epic having an old portal still active

[midnight dagger]

but that thing was closed before it was disclosed to the public

[maiden loom]

sure - that particular one was

but as I said, "whether those kinds of vulnerabilities still exist, I don't know, but I wouldn't want to risk it"

[midnight dagger]

that applies to everything ¯_(ツ)_/¯

also this is some xss credentials stealing

requires you "clicking weird links"

[maiden loom]

my faith in these things being patched is extremely low, because Epic is absolutely fucking terrible at keeping on top of their online infrastructure

[midnight dagger]

and steals your credentials from your browser in fact

if you don't log in to EGS in your browsers I guess there's nothing to steal 😛

[maiden loom]

well, for this exploit yeah

[midnight dagger]

Steam has been ripe with such xss credentials stealing over the years

[maiden loom]

someone definitely got into my account without 2FA back in the day, and I'm still unsure how they managed it

[midnight dagger]

not sure why an example of Epic having such failure and fixing it quickly before disclosure shows bad for them

[maiden loom]

it's possible it was via a link in the forums or somewhere similar

well, it wasn't that quick - but moreover large parts of their online stuff has been in a terrible state of partial or outright brokenness for some time

and I have very little faith that if basic functionality on things like their forums, or wiki, etc aren't working, then their other service parts aren't going to be stellar either

[midnight dagger]

why do you say it wasn't that quick? it was fixed before it was made known to the public

if I remember well

[maiden loom]

because from what I gather it was known about for months before it was fixed

I guess it got fixed when the hackings became a real problem

[midnight dagger]

https://www.cnet.com/news/fortnite-had-a-security-vulnerability-that-let-hackers-take-over-accounts/
Known in November, fixed in January and it made the news in January too

for me it was fixed before it was made known

though obviously one cannot really know if some people didn't exploit it themselves before

but if Epic has access to the old server logs, they might be able to see if anyone else than the security researchers exploited it

[maiden loom]

looking back at my own records, my account was accessed (bypassing 2FA) in April, so it's possible it was there a lot longer

this was towards the tail end of the bigger hacking problem

[midnight dagger]

well it was there a lot longer for sure 😄 this looks like something that basically "has always been there"

[maiden loom]

aye

[midnight dagger]

but it remains a "correct" resolution speed I guess

could be faster 😮

[oblique cairn]

Hmm, that sounds concerning... hope it is fixed

Since I've mentioned it not working here a few times, I should also say my marketplace credit has been fixed! (Thanks again @tranquil matrix )

Also worth mentioning - don't use imgur links in emails to epic - that's probably what got my messages to fortnite-support, marketplace-support and community emails all silently blocked

[small fern]

why is this on gamejams tho?

but also good example why I don't keep paypal linked to epic accounts 🙂

(and even less reasons to put actual CC details there)

while that is old news, I still find this part funny: "As always, we encourage players to protect their accounts by not reusing passwords and using strong passwords, and not sharing account information with others," an Epic Games spokesperson said. "

exploit was that you didn't need password

[midnight dagger]

most people losing account where through reused passwords so it never hurts to repeat

[small fern]

yeah but in that case Epic had a serious security flaw that didn't have anything to do with users reusing passwords and when they patch it, they tell people should be more careful with their passwords.. that's partly blaming the users there even when it had nothing to do with the issue

[midnight dagger]

you wouldn't want users to feel safe without MFA anyway so they should repeat it as much as possible 😮

[civic dock]

Guys, please keep this discussion in relevant channels.

[oblique cairn]

Sorry, my bad I think - tangent from posting SS of my email with credit from jam not working (though it is now! along with a chance for epic email to work better)
Back to being on-topic, sure am looking forwards to next game jam - been leveling up my 3d modeling/sculpting skills to do better art in the next jam! Still probably more sensible to work in a team though really, more fun too 😄

[civic dock]

Nice! I'm looking forward to finding out how they make the Epic MegaJam special this year. Victor said on a recent Twitch stream that it was going to be pretty big.

[glass fossil]

all games must be Wii fit balance board exclusive titles 🙂

or winner gets a ticket to a tour of Epic Games studio, like a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory moment

I should go to bed, the ideas will just spiral downward from here

[oblique cairn]

I'd place a small bet on there being a multiplayer section, and Epic Game Services going public with matchmaking just before the jam. (Disclaimer, I won't actually place a bet)

Or possibly something like the marketplace jam, encouraging people to make use of existing public work to make better games in the limited time

I should also go to bed rather than hang around speculating

[somber hazel]

Gamejam winner will be released on EGS as exclusive

alright, I see myself out, love you all ❤

[edgy heath]

Did some post-jam updates to my game and am basically calling it a "demo" if there's any interest I was thinking of turning it into a full game
https://didactricks.itch.io/wonshot

[oblique cairn]

Winner being release on EGS would be cool

@edgy heath get a video up on that? hard to get a good impression of the gameplay from the screenshots

[edgy heath]

@oblique cairn there's a download link to play the whole game. Best way to get an impression imo. but yeah I could make a quick video too

[oblique cairn]

@edgy heath yep - much easier for someone to see a video in one-click, and more chance of downloading the game if they like it

possibly even just a 10-second video (or gif)

[fallow laurel]

I'd really like to find some UE4 devs to work with on a game jam but for just about all the game jams I find ppl are working in Unity. Where do you find Unreal focused game jams?

[copper carbon]

Our #ue4jams! We host them quarterly.

Next one will be in early November.

[fallow laurel]

Thanks!!

[gaunt copper]

@fallow laurel here page form the last one so you can see how it works https://itch.io/jam/2019-summer-ue4jam next one will be MegaJam, theb iggest one in the year, and supposly biggest of all of them as it will be 5 year annevercery

[fallow laurel]

Ok I will look out for megajam I have not seen anything about it

but apparently it is in November

[desert coral]

Sorry to be a pest about this but... Victor contacted me Friday last week to tell me that I won the $50 credits, and I replied a few minutes later with my Epic email account. I am looking at my current balance in the Epic Store and it has not been updated yet, so I was wondering if this is normal and I should wait or if I should contact someone in particular to make sure they received my email ? Thanks !

[mossy quarry]

Maybe you should contact,cuz it's working fine with me

[desert coral]

@mossy quarry Alright, thank you !

[autumn abyss]

hi guys any of you thinking on participating on Ludum dare ( game jam ) https://crowdforge.io/jams/ludumdare/teams/4774

[glad wing]

yeah! can’t wait

really hoping the theme is something good this time around, I wasn’t enamored with the last one

[mossy quarry]

@autumn abyss i

Wanna

[glass fossil]

@autumn abyss ahh fck gonna be out for work trip 😦

[regal wigeon]

is there any game jams in Egypt ?!

[arctic cosmos]

aren't game jams for all countries?

[glass fossil]

can someone explain to me how game-jams are monetized? is this something people do for profit or something for fun? if you can tailor your answer to someone not in the game industry i would appreciate it.

[carmine kindle]

Game jams aren't generally monetized at all. It's mostly just a for fun thing.

[mossy quarry]

is there a way to monetize them?

@carmine kindle

[carmine kindle]

I mean you probably could. If a game jam you host is popular enough, it could drive traffic onto your website with ads or you could sell merch or whatever with your jam logos and stuff I suppose.

I think Ludum Dare is supported through patreon and donations, because it's such a popular one.

[mossy quarry]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

hmmm

any way on itch?

na right

[carmine kindle]

Not directly, I don't think

I suppose you could get sponsors as well. If whatever you do is popular enough, people would pay to be affiliated with it.

And while you could theoretically have an entry fee for jams as well, I'm pretty sure nearly all of them are free, so I don't know who you'd get to enter one with a fee. Probably also need to make sure whatever you do complies with extra laws and stuff in that case.

[glass fossil]

I was more curious if a an actual game comes out of a game jam, and the game makes money . .. . or is that not a concern and people just do them for fun?

[carmine kindle]

Any game you create for a jam is still your game, you can do whatever you want with it. You can plonk it up on itch or steam or where ever and make money with it.

[glass fossil]

so a game-jam is just people getting together and working on the same project? or different teams competing? i am not sure i fully understand the process.

[carmine kindle]

People get together and join a small team and work on a single game based on a given theme. And there are loads of teams who do the same thing and then those finished games compete against each other to determine a winner.

[glass fossil]

ok, that was sort of my understanding. but you are saying that no one goes into this with capitalist intentions? the organizer, the winning team?

[carmine kindle]

In the case of the Unreal game jams, there are obviously prizes to entice people to join, so people could join for the chance of winning something.

Also if someone makes a really good game during a game jam and sell it later and make a million bucks, Epic still get their cut from that game's sales for using Unreal Engine.

Also I suppose if you win a game jam, you get a lot more publicity for it than what you'd get if you just posted it up somewhere, which could translate to some financial gain.

[glass fossil]

i was having vague inspirations of developing a game that consisted solely of gam-jam winning products pieced together . . . . or using the illusions of game-jams as a cover for free labor. . . but i can see how developers may see right through this and identify it as capitalism.

maybe if i developed a points system where participants and winners are awarded points, which can later be traded for compensation, that may be enough to get the free labor.

[carmine kindle]

No one is going to work on your existing projects in a game jam. You'd have to reach an agreement with your team about further development/release of the game and possible compensation for their work if they choose not to continue working together with you. And trying to trick people into working for you for free also seems like a bit of a dick move and you definitely shouldn't do that.

But if you want to make a good game in a morally and ethically correct way, by all means take a look at past winners and see what's good in them and try to take inspiration from them. There's a lot to learn from seeing what others have created and how they've solved certain problems.

[glass fossil]

That is my point, I would not want to trick anyone. And I would not want a system where I profited and people who worked did not. So I am exploring an idea where I could use the game-jam concept to achieve a goal. I love your insight by the way.

It sparked this idea of a point system.

[low wave]

https://twitter.com/ludumdare/status/1180226382007275520

Ludum Dare (@ludumdare)

Theme Voting has ended. Theme to be revealed within the hour. #LDJAM https://t.co/we33gyFHJo

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[small fern]

https://twitter.com/ludumdare/status/1180241179864190977

Ludum Dare (@ludumdare)

The theme for Ludum Dare 45 is:

Start with nothing

https://t.co/APmeEhwjEp 🥚 #LDJAM

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[analog walrus]

@small fern Oh, I love that theme.

[small fern]

it's a nice theme

very suitable for a jam game

[gritty beacon]

winning submission is just a black screen with nothing

[stable kiln]

submits a link to unreal editor download

[autumn abyss]

just finished ludum dare https://ldjam.com/events/ludum-dare/45/whats-behind-the-mirror

https://el-fideo-rubio.itch.io/whats-behind-the-mirror

[glad wing]

nice! me too: https://ldjam.com/events/ludum-dare/45/skeleton-quest

[rocky shard]

when is the next jam?

[carmine kindle]

The Megajam should be sometime next month

[mossy quarry]

hey guys,i have started a game jam on itch

if anybody wants to come and party

https://itch.io/jam/bestjam

[analog walrus]

That is on the short list of worst color combinations ever used on a web page.

[trail vigil]

@analog walrus Meh. Seems like you've forgotten World Wide Web circa 2000AD.

[maiden loom]

https://giphy.com/gifs/photobucket-america-bronzedme-DmSD3mkBruBdC

[oblique cairn]

https://web.archive.org/web/20190510193751/http://picard.ytmnd.com/ is a masterpiece

https://web.archive.org/web/20190321152639/http://youreyesarebeingviolated.ytmnd.com/ perhaps fits the eye burning gif better

[unreal tangle]

Any news as to when the MegaJam in November will take place? (please @ me)

[zinc junco]

^ me too

[civic dock]

We will post in #unreal-news when the jam is officially announced.

[somber hazel]

will most likely be announced this thursday
they also said early november which means 7th, but might actually be delayed to 14th to give a full month prep
either way, I think it's gonna be HUUUUUGE ❤

[small fern]

wait what

why would you need time to prepare the jam (other than make time for it)

I mean, I know many are actually starting the jam before time but that's totally not how one should do it

(also against the rules)

[somber hazel]

you silly

I mean to schedule, some people can't afford to lay off a week for a gamejam

please let's not talk about cheating for the 13th time now :3

[small fern]

I don't think most people need full month advance warning tho

I mean, we know it's coming and somewhat when

I wonder if I get new CPU for the jam

[somber hazel]

that's why I said most likely 7th

[small fern]

I'm kinda pissed off at myself I didn't just order 3900x in the summer

but couldn't have possibly known that AMD would keep postponing 3950x

[somber hazel]

I'm glad I have no money

so, I don't have these issues 😅

[small fern]

I usually tend to do custom engine builds even for jams (which is stupid alright)

so there's a lot of wasted time there

I'm actually surprised my current temp CPU sucks so bad on ue4 source builds

[zenith gust]

I personally would love to have a bit more advance time to schedule work, so I don't have to be on-call during a jam week etc

[small fern]

this is 6 core / 12 thread machine, and it still takes 1h 14m to build 4.23 from scratch

sure, few weeks advance warning would be nice

[zenith gust]

Though I guess we know near enough for most, I've just planned around it being any of the two likely weeks

[quartz violet]

what the fuck, 1h 14min?

[maiden loom]

sounds about right, I'm on a hexacore here and it takes around that long

[small fern]

I just did clean 4.22 build and it took 57 minutes

for 4.23 I'm not 100% sure if I had chaos enabled separately or if 4.23 is just that much bigger again

I'm genuinely surprised by people telling they get 10-20 minute builds with high end cpu's

I dunno if they really clock the thing the same way

I start counting the moment I hit the build and stop when VS says everything is done

there's separate figure that VS reports for the ue4 editor itself but that's a lot smaller time

I mean, even if you double the core count with 3900x, I can't imagine it would be suddenly 4x faster

in general UE4 source build time has just exploded

back in 4.2 days, my 4c/4t stock clocked i5-3570k could build it in 17 minutes, ~4.19 was 47 minutes with my old i5 ~4.3GHz, 4.23 took 1h 45m on it

it's crazy how slow it has become yet changelogs keep boasting how they made compilation faster

but I don't think that actually refers to full engine builds :p

[gritty beacon]

do you build solution or something?

a "full" build is essentially pointless

we only build the exact tools and plugins we need

[small fern]

I build the solution with default "Development Editor" selected

[gritty beacon]