game-jam-chat

[sharp berry]

Disguise

The 'horror' one 😛

[rigid fog]

Hmm, the one that looked like Slenderman?

[sharp berry]

That you beat within 3 man

Imho no, but yes, it got compaired to that 😂

[rigid fog]

3man?

[sharp berry]

min*

[rigid fog]

I beat that game in 3 mins?

I don't remember that

[sharp berry]

Maybe even less 🤔

You walked around, entered a room, saw the hint that Death was the only way, and you got yourself properly killed 😄

[rigid fog]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

that one

Yeah, that was too easy

[sharp berry]

I expected a little more difficulty, but I didnt want to make it too hard

[rigid fog]

hmm

That's always a tough choice

A huge dilemna in game design

But that's why Game Designers get paid the big bucks

that and UX

[sharp berry]

For the next jam I hope to be able to spend more time on it and make it a little more difficult and fun

[maiden loom]

game designers do not get paid that well, actually

best paid disciplines are programmers (particularly core and tech), and animators

game design is bottom of the barrel

[rigid fog]

I mean if $85k to you isn't big bucks... @maiden loom

What's the pay like over in the EU? For GD

[maiden loom]

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/us-game-designer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,2_IN1_KO3,16.htm

$85k for a game designer is excessive

dunno where they got those numbers from

[rigid fog]

$65k is still good money

But, it all depends on where you live

[stable kiln]

not many games have an original design 😛

go here kill everything press button go somewhere esle and repeat 😛

[glass fossil]

Those numbers must be for permanent employees, the ones that the companies feel they can't let go, and not the peons they employ to do the actual work.

[sweet flame]

Every time I see US salaries, I realize how different the value of money around the world is

65k$ would be enough for 6-7 years for me 😄 rent, electricity, water, gas, internet, food, clothing ,...

[rigid fog]

@sweet flame But, even in the US, there's a difference based on location

Like, 65k in let's say South Carolina... pretty darn good.

65k in Southern Cali... barely ends meet

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/24/twitter-employee-earning-160000-says-hes-barely-making-ends-meet.html

Man..San Fran...

[maiden loom]

San Fran is insane - I was offered way over $100k to work there, but when I looked at the actual cost, realised that I'd still only just be getting by

[tulip viper]

https://www.gamedev.net/forums/topic/689072-week-of-awesome-v-administration-thread/ Not sure if anybody here knows about it, if not starts in Aug, would love to see more UE4 submissions

[dusky vessel]

For job security at $100k for a couple of years, I'd eat baked beans and live in the cheapest, dirtiest part of town I could find. I'd leave my work clothes at a nearby gym in a nicer part of town and just jog there in the mornings to get dressed and ready for work.

I'd be like Homer Simpson's coworker in that little shack where he was all like "Please don't tell everyone how I live..."

Then after the two years I'd use the money I saved to fly overeas and try to do remote consulting. Best case scenario my resume experience and connections help me get work. Worst case scenario, I have enough money to survive in East or Southeast Asia for like five years where I can do whatever projects I like so that my resume doesn't have big gaps or whatever on it.

[maiden loom]

I think you overestimate what $100k will get you in San Fran :p

you'd probably be better off taking a lesser paid job elsewhere

[frigid mist]

@maiden loom @rigid fog haha a indie dev for animations + 3d art here take 18.000€ per year XDDD

[small fern]

so much offtopic here

[rigid fog]

It's close enough to #career-chat

Which has been

[stable kiln]

Next jam is megajam again i think, wil be my 3rd

might be a good time for me to stop 😛

[carmine locust]

Hey there wonderful gamedev peoples!

We're running our third community game jam (Cherry Jam) in just 3 days! The jam is a week long and there's still time to cast your vote on the jam theme.

We're officially sponsored by Trello, are offering a winning prize of a private tutoring session with a gamedev PR expert and even offering prizes of fabulous stickers to random participants and to the top 3 picks for people tweeting out their healthy meals throughout the jam!

Join here: https://itch.io/jam/game-dev-network-cherry-jam

[low carbon]

bah, discord always starts me at the conversation days ago

[maiden loom]

it's by design, it puts you back where you left off, so you can catch up if you missed anything (or hit the button and jump to what's new)

Discord wasn't exactly intended for servers this busy, it was supposed to be a VOIP platform for gamers, haha

[topaz scroll]

@maiden loom I agree on the engine/tech engineer salary, it's mainly because there are very few people for it. It takes me ages to find the right person.

But thats what rises the payroll, so I can't really complain I guess xD

[maiden loom]

aye

[rigid fog]

Oh boy

Wonder if my picks get chosen today

[rigid fog]

Will @proven badge and company take another win today?!

Will there be a shocking underdog winner?

We'll soon find out this and more in just a bit.

[proven badge]

you made me get out of the bed for this?!

was powernaping 😦

[digital fern]

https://www.twitch.tv/unrealengine gamejam results!

[rigid fog]

Game Jam Winners:

Main Categories

Best in Visuals: The Potato Problem
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?148521-Summer-UE4jam-Submission-Thread!&p=732058&viewfull=1#post732058

Best in Theme: Robots on a Budget
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?148521-Summer-UE4jam-Submission-Thread!&p=732227&viewfull=1#post732227

Addiction Award: Buckarunicorn
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?148521-Summer-UE4jam-Submission-Thread!&p=732218&viewfull=1#post732218

Special Categories:

Best in VR: Monster Shop Defense
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?148521-Summer-UE4jam-Submission-Thread!&p=731890&viewfull=1#post731890

Best in Cinematics: The Trial
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?148521-Summer-UE4jam-Submission-Thread!&p=732261&viewfull=1#post732261

Best in Android: Wanderer VR
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?148521-Summer-UE4jam-Submission-Thread!&p=732163&viewfull=1#post732163

[robust basalt]

nice jamming everyone

ludum dare next week, if you are still in the mood to jam

[rigid fog]

Hmmm

I didn't have my son last jam

So I could put more time into things 😉

Hmm

28th to 31st

@robust basalt Have you done Compo?

[robust basalt]

ya

last time I had to switch to jam though

[rigid fog]

You just submit your project along with packaged game?

[robust basalt]

ya

[rigid fog]

Hmm

[robust basalt]

so you can't use marketplace stuff

[rigid fog]

Yeah, that's not an issue

[robust basalt]

although last time I only submitted c++ code

and it was fine

[rigid fog]

I could probably try to get my Pixel Art skills up

I don't think 3d art would be time efficient

[robust basalt]

last time I didn't even do art

no time

[rigid fog]

lol

[robust basalt]

just used 3d shapes

and a bit of lighting

[rigid fog]

Ah

I should look at other compo entries

see what others have been able to accomplish

[stable kiln]

you have to submit an unpackaged game for LD?

[robust basalt]

both things

packaged and source

for compo

but I love the challenge, only 48 hours and you have to do it solo

at least for the compo

[stable kiln]

some stuff u cant share outside the epic forum right?

[rigid fog]

Yeah

?

You mean like UE Source Code?

Seeing how anyone can get their hands on it...

[stable kiln]

i dunno like the eye shaders and stuff

[rigid fog]

I feel like this would have been brought up countless times before

[stable kiln]

dunno if unpackaged stuff falls under that

[rigid fog]

If it were an actual issue

<@&213101288538374145> Can you pin the winners post I made a little bit ago please? Thanks.

[stable kiln]

well i read about it a few times, not that it was enforced

[rigid fog]

I don;t know, you may be right.

But, I just don't see how it could be against the rules.

[stable kiln]

well making an account is free so any1 could go and check it out anyways

[sinful nacelle]

Oh yeah, pin it. -> done

[stable kiln]

but something like u cant upload an unpackaged project with infiltrator assets to reddit so ppl that didnt clicked i agree can download it too

or something along those lines, i dunno 😛

[robust basalt]

well, actually for compo you have to make everything yourself

your aren't even allowed to use assets made beforehand

[sinful nacelle]

Iirc you are

you just have to list it

or wait

[rigid fog]

Not for compo

[sinful nacelle]

are we talking about non-epic

[rigid fog]

Yeah

Ludum Dare

[stable kiln]

yea, thats not the point tho 😛

[sinful nacelle]

Oh yeah

[wise apex]

they do two categories

One is less time and you gotta do it all yourself - compo

[stable kiln]

altho un unpackaged game still needs the engine too run 😛

[rigid fog]

Whenever any of you former or current jammers get a chance, please look this over.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NvdpVcg7z1uE06IDMDdLx1nScnYXrK9rR6d9jhHmtao/edit?usp=sharing

Bascially, it's my perspective on the current state of the Epic Game Jams. Epic already has a copy, but now we're looking for more input from the community. The more feedback the better to make Game Jams even better.

If you have anything to add to it or just constructive feedback on my presentation (since I did do this throughout the wee hours of the early morning), please just comment on the doc!

Thanks

[proven badge]

😦 fortnite is not out

Chance got me excited for no reason

[compact cedar]

@proven badge isn't it? my page got updated, no more this NDA text

[proven badge]

well its open for alpha testers only 😦

[karmic fiber]

a bit late here, where can I find the winners for the summer jam?

[digital fern]

the pinned message has some info on it

[karmic fiber]

ah cool, thanks!

[carmine locust]

Some of the cool prizes up for Cherry Jam!

[rigid fog]

Thanks for your feedback @robust basalt @dull basin ! I responded to them. Definitely agree with some of your points.

[stable kiln]

Id rather see a donation too blender foundation than gettin a maya subscription for myself 😛

[stable kiln]

gettin ikinema if u dont have a vive is just a punch in the face 😛

[rigid fog]

Yeah, that's why I made it public. If my ideas suck, need refinement, or you all have better ideas. Leave feedback on the doc.

I will be compiling and making proper additions later.

https://youtu.be/5lRYUv88Bbs

I did make a video, overview of what I was originally thinking about.

[stable kiln]

thing is , its just swagbox + what sponsors put in

if they start buyin stuff for it they might as well do money prizes

[rigid fog]

@stable kiln did you write that on the doc?

But yeah, keep them coming

If my logic is flawed, this is the time to set it straight

[stable kiln]

i did not, but i never win anyways 😛

[rigid fog]

They don't necessarily have to "buy" things

There are probably a lot of things they have access to or can help with

[stable kiln]

I want that big gears of war thing u allways see at start of the stream 😛

[rigid fog]

Heh

[stable kiln]

i have no idea if they lobby for sponsors or the sponsors come too them

perhaps some backdoor deals and AMD did offer but intel was there first?

considering they upgrade PCs in bulk this isnt too far fetched ;P

I doubt they buy em at best buy

If ur lookin for sponsors for the unofficial jam u should contact AMD, MSI and redbull, make sure to let them know u will ask the direct competitors when they say no 😛

prolly best after a jam that has more than 0 entries 😄

0 entries is a really good start to make a line graph that is goin up tho

[sweet flame]

I don't need more prizes, but I would love to see more GameJam specific swag. For me, the best prize was the t-shirt because it's sort of a memorabilia that can't be just bought

[rigid fog]

That's a prize ;)

[stable kiln]

yea , or reading the controlls B4 playing the game

they didnt upload a level and they didnt finish a level

[rigid fog]

But other than prizes is there anything else anyone has issues with?

[stable kiln]

why do i make a level editor that can upload a level when they dont even test if it works?

It might have been a bit awkward, but still it had most of the core features super mario maker has

i put it in the controll description... place a level end press play from start and walk too the end... upload level

guess no1 bothered too read that

guess im back to 1 button games again 😛

[rigid fog]

@stable kiln lower scope, more polish

[stable kiln]

I dont really do art

i learn nothing from lower scope

I make stuff that hasnt been done yet

or imitate a part of a game i like

[rigid fog]

Aye, but..

You're complaining that no one gave your game a real attempt

Or that they knew what they were doing

That's not really the player's fault

It's your job to create something people want to play

Make it an enjoyable experience

And make it easy enough for them to understand everything

UX 101

I think you had a great system in place

[stable kiln]

well i did say controller is heavily recommended

for playing and mouse keyboard for editing

[rigid fog]

It was just very cumbersome

And not user friendly

Also ugly as hell

😉

[stable kiln]

the game or the editor?

[rigid fog]

While you may think that's not important

I beg to differ

Um, the editor for sure

I didn't even know wtf I was doing in that

But overall, the presentation was just not very... what's the word

"Inviting" ?

So, basically, what I am saying. If you want people to give it an honest go, and you want people to fully experience what you want them to. Make sure they can and will want to.

Not sure if that makes any sense. I know sometimes my words don't come out the right way 😉

I am much more of a smooth talker irl 😉

[stable kiln]

yea i know what u are saying, and i would have made it better if i could in the time given

but this was not the case, and thats why i put controlls in the descriptio instead of a tutorial level

thing is... its just like my 1st jam entry all over again

I put controlls in the description and u see them get stuck at the 1st place they have to use that 1 button you tell them to use

[rigid fog]

Yeah, see. That's just Game Design stuff though. Intuitive controls

Once you're in game.

You shouldn't have to go back to website to check out controls

[glass fossil]

i would like

[stable kiln]

X A B and Y on controller, pretty basic stuff...

[rigid fog]

If I can't remember what I am supposed to be doing in game

[glass fossil]

guys

[rigid fog]

Oh wells

Not even sure I used a controller

[glass fossil]

i would like to work with somone on a project

[rigid fog]

@glass fossil that's cool

[glass fossil]

yea who can i join

[rigid fog]

No one here?

[glass fossil]

where

[rigid fog]

This is the gamejam channel

[glass fossil]

where

[rigid fog]

who

[glass fossil]

yea

idk

[rigid fog]

Anyway #career-chat

Good luck there

[stable kiln]

he might mean a GJ project 😛

[rigid fog]

I don't know what he wants

Usually people would state their business clearly

And then eveyone else can get context

[glass fossil]

i wana model

[rigid fog]

So, I guess I'm just going to ignore that

Anyway

[glass fossil]

ok

who can i model with

[stable kiln]

@glass fossil this is a channel for gamejams

[glass fossil]

ok

[rigid fog]

I mean @glass fossil , what are you talking about?

you keep saying okay...

[stable kiln]

small competition based projects

[rigid fog]

but obviously...something's not clicking

[glass fossil]

that i would like to work on a project with someone

on the editor

[rigid fog]

Alright...

[glass fossil]

yea

[rigid fog]

lol

[glass fossil]

so where on here can i ask

for that

[rigid fog]

So go to #career-chat and see if you can drum up some help on an Unpaid Job

[glass fossil]

ok

[stable kiln]

If you want to team up for some game making competition this is the place tho 😛

[glass fossil]

oh ok

i want to then

owninator

[stable kiln]

Im not really good with teams tho, i usually just enter em solo

and next epic competition is like 3 months away, there are others tho

I usually just join the epic ones

[obtuse epoch]

So, how many of your are looking forward to the Ludum Dare next week? 😃

[robust basalt]

✋

[fathom ore]

Me! If you need a coder, check out my stuff: https://calebsmth54.github.io/projects/

[solemn bronze]

Yes I'm considering entering this one

[rigid fog]

https://itch.io/jam/lets-create-game-jam-1

https://itch.io/jam/lowrezjam2017

[ember birch]

https://itch.io/jam/summer-rain

[rigid fog]

So much for Game Jam winning games being featured on Launcher

[rigid fog]

https://twitter.com/ludumdare/status/891048929579741186

Ludum Dare (@ludumdare)

HEADS UP! Final Round Theme Voting will be closing in about 90 minutes! VOTE NOW if you haven't! https://t.co/M5J2rnE4bl #LDJAM

Twitter

[violet kestrel]

@rigid fog Hey man, my first time doing LD Jam, do I just need to make an account, then make a game and submit it? Also if I'm working in a team, do we all submit it or just 1 person?

[rigid fog]

@violet kestrel just one person as a team

Yes on account

[violet kestrel]

Thanks 😃

[solemn bronze]

When's the jam on

I want to do it if I can do

[proven badge]

😦

finished fortnite

damn

[grave marlin]

good game?

[sharp berry]

@rigid fog Unofficial UE4 Jam is dead or?

[rigid fog]

Hmmmm, good question

I can do it in August

[carmine locust]

Hey devs!

We're running the fourth GameDevNetwork Game Jam this September! Check out Dragon Jam over here: https://itch.io/jam/game-dev-network-dragon-jam

We've got some cool prizes on offer,

Open to all, beginners encouraged!

[willow sentinel]

do best game jam games have stories

[fathom ore]

Hey, me and a few other talented folks worked on a game for the Ludum Dare Jam. We would love to hear what you think! https://ldjam.com/events/ludum-dare/39/$37997

[rigid fog]

@fathom ore congrats on the entry!

I am jealous that I missed it

@willow sentinel if that's a question, then no?

[willow sentinel]

It is a question

[fathom ore]

@rigid fog Thanks! It was a fun jam. Are you planning on entering on another upcoming one?

[rigid fog]

@fathom ore Aye, probably so. I had my kid with me, it was his last weekend with me. While I love Game Dev, I love my son more ;0

Also, MegaJam

Should be late sept/early oct

Definitely looking to either join or gather an awesome team for it.

[fathom ore]

Definitely family comes first. And yeah hit me up then, I might be free to help out

[rigid fog]

It's a shame that the mouse pad is still bugged

[hardy lodge]

Do any of you have experience with working 2+ level designers on the same map.... how am I going to establish a good pipeline for use with perforce (I'm very knowledged at perforce but on a programming level .... already have had headaches with Blueprint merging - so we tend to stay away from working on the same thing as someone else.... otherwise headaches set in.) I can only imagine this on a level/props/environment side of perforce + SVC systems......

Theres a plugin called MultiEdit - anyone use this before?

[pine fulcrum]

Use sub levels

[carmine locust]

That's awesome @rigid fog!

[hot heron]

evening! is anyone aware that Riot Games runs internal game jam using UE4? 😃

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/thunderdome-team-pvc/niZ1zuNk-read-me-thunderdome-x-team-pvc-48hr-game-jam-an-experiment-in-game-development

they have pretty nice game there

😃

[somber hazel]

no and wtf?! @hot heron

actually makes sense

their engine for lol is probably so specialized

[hot heron]

@somber hazel they are finishing right now

they have discord active 😃

discord.gg/GgkSZvF

I guess Epic would like to know that Riot Games is using UE4 for their game jam

@copper carbon check it out 😃

[copper carbon]

I saw a little bit of this! It looks so cool 😄

[hot heron]

they are fixing 2 bugs (deadline passed but that is how it goes everywhere in that business) and I guess they'll be publishing that game on forums

discord has had a playable few hours ago

[copper carbon]

ha, yeah. Those rascally bugs!

Certainly interested in checking it out. It's always incredible what folks can accomplish in jams. And I think it's cool that Riot did such a fun event and shared it with their community

[hot heron]

😃

[hot heron]

Riot published that game: http://d3a99h1uu682xq.cloudfront.net/ZiggsArcadeBlast-0.1.zip

[somber hazel]

I mean the quality is pretty sick, but don't forget they were 50 people (with part timers), so it's obviously better than our jams 😄

[hot heron]

never the less: 48 hours 😉

for team of 5 it is roughly 60 work days (8 h / day) so 3 months... rougthly 😉

[strong idol]

How often are the gamejams run now? ETA on the next one?

[maiden loom]

quarterly, so probably end of September / early October

[small fern]

megajam next

[maiden loom]

ah yeah

so it'll be something like October 5th-12th

[fallen saddle]

Are there any game jams happening this month in the UK?

[carmine locust]

Greetings Devs!
As you may or may not know, GDN is hosting its fourth 'fruit' jam in a few days (running September 1st-10th) and I thought I'd pop up an update for some of the cool things going on.

Sponsors
A super quick rundown of our sponsors that help make our jams the best they can be:

• GoPublix Game Media Relations: The winning team will netting themselves a 3 hour PR Planning and Consultation session by a gamedev PR expert

• U77: The top 3 winning teams will have the very generous U77 treatment, having their game translated into Chinese (up to 30,000 words), will get you up on their platform with 1.1 million Chinese users and walk you through the legal steps of having your game in an international market. U77 have requested that their logo and platform link be included on the Chinese version of the game.

• Trello: Participate in Dragon Jam, get 3 months of Trello Gold! Simple as that.

• CFN: Every game produced for the game will be covered by the CFN Youtube network, net yourself some promo and get some visual feedback on your work! (If you do not want to be covered, let me know and we'll get you opted out!)

We're also sending out fancy die cut stickers of our logo to the winning team and three random participants!

I'm new to game dev, I'm not ready for this
One of the best parts about a game jam is that regardless of your ability, you'll most certainly find value in participating. No matter how polished the final demo is, it's something you made and that alone is a commendable achievement for any dev.

I don't have a team!
Don't worry! You can either go solo (groups are way more fun!) or, thanks to CrowdForge, browse our team building site found here: https://crowdforge.io/jams/gdn

I'm sold! Sign me up
Head on over to this link, we'll look forward to seeing your beautiful self 💖 https://itch.io/jam/game-dev-network-dragon-jam

[slim light]

Hey, I'm not affilliated with this but just want to point out the A Game By It's Cover jam is starting in a week, it's a super relaxed jam about making games based on fictional NES/Famicom carts. I did it last year and it was a lot of fun.

https://itch.io/jam/a-game-by-its-cover-2017

[half fossil]

https://itch.io/jam/virtus-community-game-jam

[turbid adder]

@half fossil i love Virtus Learning Hub! I wanna join! Thx!

[maiden loom]

....so, Epic Mega Jam will be coming up at some point soon. Who's in?

[rigid fog]

I definitely want in

I am amazed they haven't announced it yet

@copper carbon what's up with that?

[copper carbon]

We'll announce it this month.

It'll be a little bit later than in the past

[rigid fog]

@copper carbon Awesome, thanks for the info.

[copper carbon]

yep yep 😃

[small fern]

Mega Jam pushed into december?

[rigid fog]

Probably more like mid/late Oct

[grave marlin]

I love those anouncements where they anounce that they anounce it...

[somber hazel]

If we don't get a christmas stream with Tim Sweeney, I'm gonna be sad 😐

[rigid fog]

@craggy raft wrong channel

Please don't spam

[dusky vessel]

If I can find a partner or team to join, I'll do it

[rigid fog]

Well, let's hope they announce it

[sharp berry]

Any news yet about the next jam?

Month is about to end, still no news what I can find..

[lament oar]

I hear it's of a thick consistency, contains no seeds and tastes like Strawberry.

[maiden loom]

I've been told that it's happening later this year, but given it's the beginning of October I guess it isn't happening at all

[silver swan]

maybe they will make the theme "Battle Royal" to get some media exposure

[sharp berry]

I miss alex

[somber hazel]

2 weeks no community highlights also, or did I miss something? 😮 Launcher still has community stuff from last week

@copper carbon u okay? 😨

[copper carbon]

Yes - I'm okay ❤️ I travelled to Austin Game Conference last week and this week we had a Dev Day in Montreal. Apologies for the lack of community spotlight because of it. I'll be back next week :)

And we're still having the MegaJam. With the travel going on, we needed to push back the dates of the jam to give ourselves room to properly organize it.

[somber hazel]

Wohooo, hopefully it's not gonna be something around 24-31 October (if it's still a week) 🤞

[copper carbon]

Still a week. And you won't miss it 😉

[somber hazel]

😍

[carmine locust]

Greetings Devs!
As you may or may not know, GDN is hosting its fifth 'fruit' jam in a few days (running October 20th-29th) and I thought I'd pop up an update for some of the cool things going on.

Sponsors
A super quick rundown of our sponsors that help make our jams the best they can be:

• GoPublix Game Media Relations: The winning team will netting themselves a 3 hour PR Planning and Consultation session by a gamedev PR expert

• HacknPlan: HacknPlan is the project management tool made specifically for #gamedevs. Just by participating in Elderberry Jam, you'll net yourself 3 months of HacknPlan Personal Plus for FREE!

I'm new to game dev, I'm not ready for this
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[copper carbon]

So... there's this thing, called the Epic MegaJam. It's Nov 2-9 😘

https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/announcing-the-2017-epic-megajam

[sudden totem]

there is that called Unreal Megajam right @copper carbon

[copper carbon]

@somber hazel ^

What do you mean? @sudden totem

[sudden totem]

Unreal Epic Megajam2017

[copper carbon]

Believe the MegaJams have always just been Epic MegaJam.

[rigid fog]

Nov...

interesting

Now, how to block out a week...actually 2 weeks...hmm

[copper carbon]

Yeah, we had some event overlaps in Oct. There's less going on in Nov and it seemed like a better time.

[rigid fog]

@copper carbon No other special categories huh?

😭

[copper carbon]

waaaat?

We have 3?

[rigid fog]

But, so far, doesn't look like anything new than any other MegaJam (or quarterly), other than the submission form, hopefully we'll see new things pop up over the next few weeks though.

Same three from quarterly

Nothing new

[sudden totem]

you want 4 categories?

or 5

[rigid fog]

TBH, I'd like to see 6...

at least, it's MegaJam

[sudden totem]

not 7?

[rigid fog]

But anyway, thinking about starting up a team for MegaJam. Or joining an existing one. Hit me up. Wide range of skills, but primarily Programming/Game Design are my forte.

[small fern]

I'm kinda sad that special cat prizes are still different from finalist prizes

because, while you say that anyone winning special cat can be finalist too, we all know that's very unlikely to happen

it would be better if you'd just have 6 finalists where 3 would be for the special categories

[rigid fog]

Aye. Seems my suggestions weren't considered at all.

Maybe I needed a TL;DR version.

[copper carbon]

@rigid fog I really appreciate getting feedback from you all on how we're doing and ways we can improve your jam experience. We read through your document and there are a lot of great suggestions - I could have been better about dropping some of our feedback into your document as well. For instance, I think some of the categories would be better suited to smaller targeted contests, than as a part of a larger jam, which is something I'd like to branch out and try in the future.
Please know we are listening and I hope to have some bigger changes in the next one!

[sharp berry]

I hope that this time all entries show up in the reel, last time several werent included nor mentioned and the topic on the forum died as fast as a one day fly...

@copper carbon The deadline link seems to be incorrect

[maiden loom]

Megajam you say

https://giphy.com/gifs/arg-l2SpQdJ7u7rfgED5e

aww yiss

[maiden loom]

'Cinematic' strikes me as a weird category to have

I miss the 'less than 100MB' category, that was a good one

[sharp berry]

A 'Most Addictive' category would be nice too

[maiden loom]

maybe - I feel like that would be leaning towards the 'best game' overall, but it's not strictly the same thing ^^

either way, I think I'll throw my hat into the ring for another year running

[copper carbon]

@sharp berry - Thanks! Fixed it!

[sharp berry]

You're welcome 😁

[somber hazel]

submission form, CrowdForge.io link to build teams, a guarenteed win for 1 of the 150 solo devs that will participate and you can submit a video for the highlight reel -> I'm in 🤗

I agree on the cinematic category, looking at the latest engine releases and new features, Epic really tries to push that area of expertise, but I highly doubt those people will actually join a game jam

I can be wrong though and you probably have more data on this one 😐

[rigid fog]

TBH

Cinematics take a lot of varied skillset

You can use a designer/programmer/tech artists

Basically a whole team devoted just to a cinematic trailer...

No gameplay

[dull basin]

PROJECT REQUIREMENTS

Here's the list of submission requirements to win a prize:

The game must include custom gameplay that exceeds the gameplay found in Epic Games’ starter templates.

(on the megajam announcement post)

[rigid fog]

@dull basin ???

If you're referring to the Cinematics category, I can confirm that is not the case for that particular category.

The only reason the worm or snail one didn't win last time is because it was sadly just a YT video submission.

But maybe @copper carbon can confirm, and also might need to edit rules for that particular category

So it's perfectly clear

[dull basin]

@rigid fog it looks like a project requirements for any prizes, it doesnt explicitly say just the main 3 prizes.

even the special category section said "Our "Special Categories" are for teams who create amazing games and also have a certain something extra"

[rigid fog]

Aye, but again, if you look at the past jams, those "special cats" are not finalists

They are (or have been) completely different

[dull basin]

i meant that the special category section does say they need to create games + something extra so they cant just submit a massive cinematic without gameplay

[rigid fog]

I mean, to me, it just seems like a copy-paste issue at this time

But yeah, Amanda can confirm or deny. TBH, maybe should just post it in the forum thread so it's more on the official side.

And everyone can see.

[dull basin]

its on the main forum thread what i copy pasted 😄 but sure extra confirmation wouldn't be a bad thing

[rigid fog]

?

Just because it's on the forums and you copy-pasted it, doesn't mean it's 100% 😉

Because that's all they did. Copy-pasted it from another thread to a new one 😉

How often do you really think they actually get down and do a full 100% run through of the rules?

[proven badge]

how often do they change tho

[rigid fog]

But yeah, I am posting something on there now

@proven badge They should be changing quite a bit

The thing is

They added new categories, but the rules didn't change to accomadate them

Just because they don't change it, does not mean it's 100% correct on their end or ours

[proven badge]

either way, if they don't adhere to their own rules posted on their official channel that's even a bigger reason for a dispute , regardless if they copy paste it without proof checking or not

[rigid fog]

It could be (and most likely is) an oversight

[proven badge]

does not mean you should ignore / disregard them because its not 100%

[rigid fog]

?

Who said anyone is?

[proven badge]

VictorBurgos - Today at 8:03 PM
?
Just because it's on the forums and you copy-pasted it, doesn't mean it's 100% 😉

[rigid fog]

But you can certainly question them.

I don't get it? What's that message have anything to do with what I am saying?

[proven badge]

VictorBurgos - Today at 7:48 PM
@dull basin ???
If you're referring to the Cinematics category, I can confirm that is not the case for that particular category.

[rigid fog]

Aye, because I do know 100%

[dull basin]

you said this back to me

VictorBurgos - Today at 8:00 PM
But yeah, Amanda can confirm or deny. TBH, maybe should just post it in the forum thread so it's more on the official side.
And everyone can see.

and i said its on the main forum post

then you said it doesnt mean its 100%

[rigid fog]

I don't get what repeating back to me what I said does?

What exactly is the issue here?

[proven badge]

you said you can confirm which implies you have a source and are absolutely sure that you don't need to follow rules and make pure cinematic without gameplay and win 😄

[dull basin]

you said cinematics can win without gameplay
i posted back a quote from the forum thread saying they can't win without gameplay
you said they should post it in forum thread
i clarified its on the main forum thread
and then you said its not 100%

just a bit contradictory

its ok it doesnt really matter

[rigid fog]

What?

You guys lol

Completely misread what I was saying

*typed

Anyway

[proven badge]

lets agree for a second that's the case, what were you trying to say then?

[rigid fog]

I posted the question on the forums and hopefully @copper carbon can clarify that bit on there. And ensure that it's 100% clear for all in the rules.

[proven badge]

we're just saying its already on the official forums :}

[rigid fog]

...

[proven badge]

and confirmed, rules are laid out

[rigid fog]

No...

[proven badge]

you are just refusing to accept them

[rigid fog]

So, let me understand your logic here

If you posted something on your "blog" (don't know if you have one) but bascially, it was a copy pasted set of whatever, from an older post. Added something new to it, because you assume that it's mint. That there would be no errors in there?

Because bascially, that's what you're saying.

And yes, the rules HAVE been messed up before

[proven badge]

If you send a copy paste of your old essay to your lecturer as your honours submission, does that make mean he will disregard it and give you a decent grade ? 😄

[rigid fog]

Outdated

[dull basin]

so youre saying that you dont trust the rules stated in this game jam because it might not be proof checked or something so you just want them to triple post the same thing just to make sure theyre sure of their own rules?

[rigid fog]

Your logic is flawed in this case 😭

No one is getting graded for this post.

[dull basin]

well actually its from a member of epics staff, if they falsely advertise a prize and dont give it out you can actually argue.

[rigid fog]

I really don't get the problem here.

You guys think that they are incapable of making mistakes.

That humans are perfect.

This is basically what I am getting from your logic.

But we all know that's not the case.

[proven badge]

Problem - You thinkt heir rules are outdated , and therefore refuse to accept them. Instead you ask them to clafity their own rules to you personally

Where we are stating that if they posted their rules, its not an excuse. Rules are set and people adhere to it, they just have to suck it up in this case

[rigid fog]

#1, when did I state that I refuse to accept them?

#2 when did I state that I "think" they are outdated?

[proven badge]

VictorBurgos - Today at 8:16 PM
Outdated

[rigid fog]

(I know they are)

Big difference in this case.

And I am only speaking on behalf of the Cinematics category in this case BTW

I haven't give it all a run through

I definitely will once everything is out there though.

Since obviously people just take what they get

[dull basin]

ok well im saying that right now under the special category they did say they need gameplay with something extra on the main forum post, whether or not they proof checked it or whatever is another problem entirely

[proven badge]

This whole thing started with your saying you can confirm - VictorBurgos - Today at 7:48 PM
@dull basin ???
If you're referring to the Cinematics category, I can confirm that is not the case for that particular category.

[rigid fog]

I am looking out for people

[proven badge]

😄

[rigid fog]

Again, I don't see the point of reiterating what I said. I just literally typed it.

Anyway

[proven badge]

So am I, you just stated your opinion as a fact and as a result might have mis informed to people to disregard actual rules

[rigid fog]

Yeah, so, because I know of the specific circumstances of the Cinematics special category

I responded with my knowledge of previous events.

[proven badge]

So you do know?

Can you back it up with a source perhaps

[rigid fog]

No one ever names their source.

I'll let the source confirm or deny it if they want, when they want.

I mean, should have been pretty obvious by now.

But I won't make it any easier 😉

So yeah, it's good though that you both brought it up.

[proven badge]

Lets say, This is my first jam, I come here thinking I want to do a cinematics submission and follow your advice to do it (without gameplay) with an assurance that you can corfirm no gameplay is needed.

So after the jam, their submission is disqualified because it has no gameplay and they come back at you blaming you that you directly mislead them.

What would you say back to people in a case like this?

[rigid fog]

TBH, I wouldn't be in the wrong.

That would never happen.

(they would not get dq'd)

As long as their submission is an .exe from UE4

Like I said, once all the rules are out though. I will go over them and post my concerns/questions.

Need to see that fine print.

[proven badge]

But here you are wrong, they would get disqualified because it directly conflics with project requirements.

[rigid fog]

Okay

So, let's go along with your logic here

And what those rules state.

Do any of the current Starter Content/Templates have any Cinematics at all?

Now, we need a definition of "gameplay" right?

"Gameplay" (wiki) = Specific Way players interact with a game.

If I open up an .exe file, that's a UE4 game project

I have interacted with it

Now, I am obviously 100% going to the extreme here to prove my point

But I am not wrong either.

If someone wanted to prove the point and it meant a lot to them, they would. But that was a very silly and simple case I presented.

But anyway, even with that silliness, I have technically met the requirements, no?

[proven badge]

Well no, game that is openable and by your definition "interactible" is not exceeding the gamelpay which comes in a starter content examples

[rigid fog]

Not that it matters really. Because like I said, I think it's just a simple mistype/cp/unclear rules for that particular category.

[proven badge]

well it does matter

[rigid fog]

Well, I know it matters 😉

[proven badge]

You stated you don't need gameplay, and you can still win on that category

[rigid fog]

I meant, that my example didn't.

[proven badge]

And you still haven't showed where did you found any information to back up that statement when it directly contradict official rules stated on the forum post

[rigid fog]

But, your main concern is just that if people can target the Cinematics category without any "real gameplay" elements right?

Aye, but I am a warrior of justice.

rahaha

[proven badge]

They can't. And you are just spreading mis-information by even remotely implying that they can

[rigid fog]

The thing is

I am not though.

But yes, I will concede, that currently with how they have presented the rules, it does not make it very clear.

[proven badge]

Furthermore you are not providing any evidence to back up your statements, thus even if you would be right at any point your statements are simply not valid 😃

[rigid fog]

The issue here is, it wouldn't really matter if I showed any proof anyway.

Since like you just stated, the official rules would still contradict it

[proven badge]

And official rules would win every time

[rigid fog]

The real issue here is that they need to update/edit their rules to be more clear

[somber hazel]

wtf u guys talking about 😄

damn, it's hard to follow xD

[proven badge]

Just having a little argument whether you should follow original rules on the forums or not.

Victor seems convinced that you don't need to as rules are apparently not clear/ not final / wrong

[rigid fog]

Not really an argument 😉

[somber hazel]

I think Victor just wants a confirmation if these rules apply to the cinematic category, because it's kinda special, right?

[rigid fog]

Aye, because technically, I have first hand knowledge that it was a determining factor in the last jam

So, unless they have changed how they think from one jam to another, they need to clarify it.

[somber hazel]

I can understand that, this category is kinda new, and the 3 rules are copy pasted 😄

[rigid fog]

^ boom

[somber hazel]

So it's just normal to ask for a confirmation

[rigid fog]

I don't get why everyone thinks that just because it's in the post, it's correct

( I mean, I get why)

BTW

this is my first time using crowdforge

and I don't like it

People can just join the team without any confirmation on my side?

blah

[somber hazel]

oh f<3k

you actually can

can you at least kick me?

Guess I'm your artist then

[rigid fog]

lol

Yeah, strange system they have

I don't get the benefits of allowing anyone on a team

Especially if they don't meet the requirements

[somber hazel]

it's great for offline gamejams

wait, it's still bs

nvm

[rigid fog]

Right, but still, people can just join any team they want

[somber hazel]

yeah, super dumb

[rigid fog]

lol

you left

Hmm, a shame we can't pin messages

[somber hazel]

but hey, at least they didn't forget to implement a safety check and ask the user if he is really sure about leaving the team

because joining the team again is so difficult right?

[copper carbon]

It still needs to have some level of interactivity. It's a game jam afterall!

[rigid fog]

K

So I was completely wrong

I accept defeat

[copper carbon]

Apologies that the rules are unclear

[small fern]

I don't get why cinematic category shouldn't mean games

especially if the rules state it has to be a game

if it doesn't need to have any gameplay, shouldn't it be a totally another event?

[proven badge]

I know right

[small fern]

special categories are supposed to be extra you can win if I read the rules right

and you can't win non-game

[proven badge]

There is nothing un clear about the rules, he just refused to accept it for some reason

[small fern]

nor can you submit such entry

I think this is about that they actually promoted the cinematic video in some game jam

where they didn't even submit a valid entry

usually if you submit a disqualified entry, others would't go promiting it

[rigid fog]

😃 I only go off of what I have been told. Obviously I wouldn't have said anything (or made something up) if I didn't think I knew what I knew from a previous conversation. Things changed obviously from when I heard last. So that is why I spoke up and wanted clarification. Not a big deal really.

As far as making a new event, pshh... we're down to 4 jams a year.

[small fern]

I'm just saying, it's a totally different thing to make a cinematic and a game

[rigid fog]

They made that conscious decision based on well, whatever.

[small fern]

would be odd to split the thing between them

[rigid fog]

If it were a "finalist" category

I would agree 100%

But this is a "special category"

[small fern]

which you can win also if you are a finalist

but you can't be a finalist with a nongame

[rigid fog]

Which tbh, doesn't make any sense

It's not like you're getting double

swag

Or, if you do, it's just silly

But exactly my point

You can't be a finalist with a nongame

But there's no reason why they should dissuade devs from focusing on some niche category if they wanted to.

Especially since part of the jam is to promote how awesome the engine is, and what people can make in a week.

Just because you make a full sequencer shoot, does that make you any less of a dev in Unreal Engine?

Do you know how much time and effort those can take if you really try?

[small fern]

I guess everyone has their own thing

[rigid fog]

And it's not like 0 programming is involved with it either.

[small fern]

somehow I doubt we'll ever see "best physics" category 😄

[rigid fog]

You can still get yourself a full squad and do an amazing sequencer shot in a week.

Haha

[teal heron]

https://crowdforge.io/jams/epicmegajam/teams/505 any artists/designers looking for very strong programmer support? I can also take a programmer of any level.

also turns out it's team number 505 soooo

going to go by that name "Team 505"

[wise apex]

are there seriously only 6 teams?

oh it isn't required to use that, right?

[somber hazel]

@wise apex Yes and yes.

[maiden loom]

Haha, crowdforge is working well, I see xD
https://snag.gy/FRBiYv.jpg

[rigid fog]

I guess having high expectations scares people

But, it's still very early

And most people stick to teams they already know

And crowdforge jams is still relatively new

I've talked to the devs about some much needed improvements

We should be seeing invite only teams soon.

Among some other things like @mentioning and private msgs

[rigid fog]

But @somber hazel has at least one fake artist in his mist

[maiden loom]

'invite only' doesn't make sense

really it should be that you can apply to a team and send a short message or whatever

[somber hazel]

@rigid fog You mean the guy who send me his portfolio with 2x 8-bit pictures?

Also, wau, I just made a team for fun, came back, and now I'm in this mess 😄

@rigid fog Or do you mean the guy who showed me the portfolio of your level designer in your VR project?

[maiden loom]

lol

they both sound like excellent team candidates...

[somber hazel]

Building a GameJam team is like playing Jailor in Town of Salem, if they don't post their role and a portfolio immediatly, you should execute them

[rigid fog]

@maiden loom that is what I meant

Invite only to the main channel

Right now anyone can join

So yes, essentially, apply to team

@somber hazel what lol

2x 8-bit guy was from my team, I think. Kicked him out

Either he or another guy, said they were godlike in 3d art

Had no portfolio to show

Said he could make me anything I wanted when asked however

@somber hazel someone from a VR project of mine? Lol

[somber hazel]

https://www.tylerstaggs.net/

[rigid fog]

Oh. He's the real deal

Good luck with him

[somber hazel]

I'm not sure if this should scare me or not 😄

Asked him why he didn't join your team, will see his answer

[rigid fog]

Hehe. Let's just say... There's a reason why he's not on my team.

He's talented enough though. If he wants to apply himself.

But, I don't know if I would ping him as a Level Designer

@somber hazel but yeah, like you were saying. If people don't have a portfolio, there's no point in wasting your time.

Artists are so hard to come by

Which is strange because there's a crapton of artists in between three discord channels

[maiden loom]

I don't have a portfolio

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rigid fog]

Meh

If I knew you, and you didn't have a portfolio or even if you did. But I knew your talents, I wouldn't need to see it.

But not everyone does. So, having a portfolio or website on hand is incredibly useful.

It's essentially the same thing as job applications. Did they submit a Resume/CV? No? K... Trash.

[maiden loom]

I do have a CV, I guess xD

[small fern]

people are taking this stuff seriously I see

need resumes to attend game jam team

[rigid fog]

@small fern resumes?

Who is doing that?

But anyway, plenty of people NOT taking it seriously

[somber hazel]

@small fern I had a lot of gamejams with teams already and people who are like "yeah, I never did gamejams before, but I would like to give it a shot" will leave after 42 hours, I even had cases where people had a party and were drunk

It's just common sense to take people who can show they actually did somthing

Oh wait, I think you mean only the resume talk was 2 much, nevermind then ❤

[maiden loom]

it's more a case of people being able to demonstrate that they're serious

I've had jams in the past where team members have just vanished about a day into the jam committing nothing, and that just destroys you if you were relying on them to do things

I've also had it in the past where members claimed they do could do something, and then waste the entire jam failing to do it before admitting that they had no idea at all

both situations are very frustrating :/

[rigid fog]

It's not only that though. Sometimes you can account for people not being able to fully invest the time they say they could

The issue is, when you can't.

[maiden loom]

sometimes shit does happen and people do need to drop out unexpectedly

that's the curse of real life (tm)

but, some people are also just flakey

[rigid fog]

If you only have two artists....and they both can't commit IN THE MIDDLE of the jam...

You lose precious time

[maiden loom]

aye

[rigid fog]

Not only time, but morale of the team goes to poop

[maiden loom]

it's why I prefer to jam with people who have done the jam before, personally

[rigid fog]

That's why it is good to weed people out ahead of time

Also, even IF everyone on the team is good, doesn't mean that the teamwork will be :)

Not everyone can work with each other.

It's human nature

[maiden loom]

it's a game jam, people don't need to be super experts, they just need to be productive

if you only know basic 3d modelling, shit that's fine, factor it into the plan

[rigid fog]

Right

Whatever the team comp is, adjust your Strategy

[maiden loom]

yup

if you have weaker programmers, make an art heavy game and vice-versa

[rigid fog]

If you only have one or no artists...well, stick with something light on art

And focus on gameplay

[maiden loom]

it's rare to have a perfect jam team, so you have to work with what you've got in the time you have, hehe

[rigid fog]

So yeah...I guess for those of us who have done enough jams, and know what's what... We take them a bit more seriously than others.

But that's not to say you can't have fun while being serious about a jam.

[maiden loom]

You'll enjoy it more if you take it seriously

because game jams are all in the payoff, IMHO

[rigid fog]

Well, that depends entirely on what payoff you're attempting also though. If it's just for a solid portfolio piece. Potential recruiting for members for a studio team. Win some prizes. Or just for experience.

I'm sure there are other payoffs as well. But, the one for experience, doesn't neccesarily need to be serious.

[maiden loom]

the payoff is the project end result, what you want it for I guess is entirely up to you

[gentle garden]

it also looks bad when you enter the jam with a team of 5 and only 2 people ever do any work, I dunno if the judges factor that in, probably do

[rigid fog]

Well, I've been on both sides of that, and it's hard to discern. Sometimes there's too much power on one end, and there's obviously only so much one can do if there are very little tasks left.

On the flipside, there's been people who've been credited and didn't contribute anything to the game.

It all comes down to expectations and making sure everyone is on the same page

I feel that some people have hidden expectations and don't make it known until after the fact and shit goes downhill

That's why you poke and prod people before the jam, make sure you understand how much time they are able to commit, and if it's less than what you want, boot them and find somone that can.

Or, if you can handle the extra burden, keep them on.

[maiden loom]

https://crowdforge.io/jams/epicmegajam

I love how far the middle team has overflowed into the other teams

website could do with some basic layout work, haha

[rigid fog]

@somber hazel Your team is too troll

Why haven't you kicked anyone out yet lol

@maiden loom They told me that it was "intentional" that they didn't fix it

Because some users enjoyed it

[maiden loom]

wat

[rigid fog]

But I was like...that's good and all, but I don't

[maiden loom]

it just looks broken

avatars are now overlapping between teams, that can't be intentional :/

[rigid fog]

@maiden loom https://gyazo.com/f0a3997602e46ecee805c4a1d5acc5c3

[maiden loom]

what a weird excuse

[rigid fog]

lol

Aye

[maiden loom]

I mean, it's amusing me - but not because it's amusing in itself but because it's broken in an amusing way

[rigid fog]

But there should be a lot of nice improvements this week if they seriously take my suggestions like they said they did

[maiden loom]

We'll see how that fares, hehe

I haven't even tried 'making a team' on there as it stands

[rigid fog]

You should get a 5-designer team on there

[maiden loom]

depending on skill distribution it could be productive

....but it could also be absolute hell, haha

game jam teams don't work that well if they're too democratic xD

[rigid fog]

Depends entirely on the team. I've been in the position where there's been one lead (I or someone else was lead) and where everyone had a fair say. Both can be good or bad, depending on the team comp. It's interesting to see how well (or not) people do in team comps.

[maiden loom]

If there's a lead, it's not really democratic, since someone has authorative power 😉

it's usually best to have someone in that role

dictatorships can be benevolent, listening and fair, after all

[rigid fog]

Ah, what I meant was Lead and no Lead teams

Not that you had a lead and everyone still had a fair say 😉

[small fern]

"The concept will be making a 3D Platformer Game with "Game Feel and Juice" they call it. "

" GREATLY Need Artists who can make sprites or 3D Models and its animations And Also Programmers, Music Artists are needed greatly"

what else is there?

but I like that genre is decided in advance :p

[rigid fog]

I have no issues with genres being picked early on

I do have issues if they start early

And make some "platform base"

[small fern]

I always have few genres I'd want to make a game with

but I can't say beforehand that I'd do any of them before the theme is out

[maiden loom]

I have tons of things I'd like to do, but the theme usually pushes those out of the window almost instantly

[somber hazel]

If you are a passionate 8 bit sound designer, why not asking for 8 bit artists?

The coder probably is not good enough to make anything else or he is in the mood of making a 3D platformer, why not asking for people who feel the same?

@rigid fog Give me reasons to kick them if you think I should kick people

[wise apex]

obv you can just pick 4 from the team, but maybe they haven't looked at the rules

[somber hazel]

And if you hire someone for a job, you only invite 1 guy?

[wise apex]

Well then you agree that you'll have to narrow them down

so when you kick people that's akin to them not passing the interview process

Why not start that sooner?

[somber hazel]

First, why are you even concerned? I think that's my job

[wise apex]

I'm sorry, clearly not qualified to comment on something you publically posted

Please do not honor me with a response

it isn't worth your time

[somber hazel]

what?!

😅

is going on

But I used @ to call someone out, why would you answer for him?

[wise apex]

I dunno I didn't feel like I was answering for Victor there

Yeah you didn't ping @ everyone or @ here, so I should clearly have ignored you

my b

[somber hazel]

Is this one of these awkward moments where you silently walk away from each other? 😐

ClosesDiscord

[rigid fog]

rofl

But yeah @somber hazel if you are taking this seriously, like @wise apex already stated, it should get done.

If you are just trolling Crowdforge and MegaJam

Like it seems with your team message, then continue on

The later it gets, the harder it will be, not only for you, but those that get booted from the final selection to finding a real team

This process will be easier once Crowdforge implements my suggestions anyway

It's actually refreshing when people listen to good feedback and don't waste time implementing the changes 😉

[somber hazel]

I don't see how any of your points describe my situation

So you excuse me for trolling? Just because I filter the too serious people with my team message? About booting people from final selection, maybe I'm messaging people in my team chat and let them know?

Final words, if you have proof that I'm trolling anyone, go ahead and report me, otherwise I advice you to stop sticking your nose into my team recruiting process.

[rigid fog]

I was merely trying to help you out. But I suppose you just don't want to be taken seriously by that reply. Noted. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wise apex]

Is this one of those awkward moments where somebody is way too serious about something again?

[rigid fog]

@wise apex Depends on what you mean 😃 Someone being serious about not being serious? Or something else?

[somber hazel]

I think this discussion needs to know that me and Victor are basically rivals or something, that's why I explicitly mentioned him before

[rigid fog]

Rivals ... ??? What lol

[somber hazel]

That's probably also the reason why I might sound arrogant at this point 😅

[rigid fog]

Since when?

Nani

[somber hazel]

So, I'm sorry for being rude @wise apex

[wise apex]

Its ok, I was being a bit hyperbolic in response lol

[rigid fog]

What, how are you ignoring what I just asked though...

If it was a fight for how many people you can get on your team, then sure, you win. I keep kicking people out after letting them know what's up.

They end up going to your team it seems anyway

[somber hazel]

And how do you know, the people read your message?

[rigid fog]

Because they reply

[somber hazel]

And if they don't?

[rigid fog]

I dont just kick people without letting them see the msg

Everyone's replied so far

So that's never been an issue

I did have a problem with people coming back to the team though

after getting kicked

Again, some of these issues will get addressed soon

[somber hazel]

Great, I asked for more stuff yesterday, obviously I won't just kick them

[rigid fog]

asked for more stuff?

What?

[somber hazel]

Because they couldnt reply in 24 hours

[rigid fog]

Oh, you mean like portfolios?

[somber hazel]

Think a bit more

[rigid fog]

No idea, I was trying to use the context of what we were talking about to what you said

They who?

You got to remember, I can't mindread 😃

[wise apex]

the people who haven't provided how much time they can invest I guess

[rigid fog]

Aye maybe

[wise apex]

wait where'd that msg go

[rigid fog]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[somber hazel]

I wanted to format it

[wise apex]

ah

[somber hazel]

But you guys are 2 fast

[rigid fog]

lol

my bad

[wise apex]

:sanic:

[rigid fog]

I'll stop for a minute

[somber hazel]

Why? Everything is said

Also, can I still use my team description or are you deciding what's okay and what not?

@rigid fog

[rigid fog]

I think the point went over my head, my bad.

I was pretty sure we were waiting for you.

but okay

You still haven't told me how we were rivals though @somber hazel

I'll assume what @wise apex said is what you meant.

[wise apex]

I don't take offense to your desc, and its obvious that others don't either, but I can see how it'd put some off (assuming vic is)

but hey its working innit?

ppl must want coffee

[rigid fog]

Nah, I don't care. I didn't think I said anything to that either.

[wise apex]

yeah you did tho

but its unimportant either way IMO

[rigid fog]

Ah, about taking it seriously

Yeah, I guess I did, as part of a whole

[somber hazel]

Yeah, let's just finish, now you know why I'm waiting and not kicking

[rigid fog]

wtf

how do you have megaman

[wise apex]

im just cool like that

[rigid fog]

@somber hazel Yeah, so now...next part please

This Rivalry

[somber hazel]

Sadly, this has nothing to do with #game-jam-chat so, pm me ❤

[wise apex]

:(

[rigid fog]

hmm k, brb

[wise apex]

I was interested in the rivalry as well - but #lounge would be a better place

[small fern]

should be safe to have 6 people in the team

there will always be one guy/girl who doesn't do anything

should make some rule that first 5 who submit any work belong to the team :p

like, any legit task

[marsh oxide]

can a person join multiple teams in the epic megajam ?

i would like to join a team, but if i have time to submit something on my own too

[maiden loom]

You possibly could, but I'm not sure it would be adviseable

[rigid fog]

No you can't

@marsh oxide

I don't even need to see the rules

Definitely can only join just one team

For a million reason, but namely especially so, due to prizes

[marsh oxide]

oh, i see

[rigid fog]

wtf

lol, crowdforge..so silly

I am glad that @maiden loom started one up though

got himself a coder already

But... you can join more than one team in the jam...lol

[fathom ore]

hmm, I might have to enter this one

[rigid fog]

@fathom ore do it!

[fathom ore]

is it on a weekend or is it a month long thing?

[rigid fog]

@fathom ore 1-week

[fathom ore]

saweeeeeet

[ocean wave]

I'm looking to a be a an observer of any upcoming gamejam teams for anyone running over skype or sharing remotely. Basically I would like to observe (won't comment, interfere with the project at all) I just want to see the process in action.

if anyone is willing let me know 😃

[rigid fog]

@ocean wave just tune into the streams

#share-your-stream get your learn on

[ocean wave]

I usually watch every stream that pops up in the channel if I'm not actively working on a tutorial

[upper zealot]

Where can I watch these streams?

[sharp berry]

Isnt Canada part of America?

[maiden loom]

'latency purposes'?

(time zone, is perfectly understandable)

[maiden loom]

someone in China would be way outside of your time zone

someone in Mexico, not so much

(screensharing with low latency doesn't strike me as a very high priority, but each to their own)

^^

[small fern]

I don't even see the timezone being an issue with gamejams

there's no reason why artist couldn't work at his/her own pace - in fact it could be even better that way

just think of situation where you and your teammate share few hours of common time, you tell what is needed after your jamming day and the artist does the work needed while you sleep, and then you get fresh assets when you continue 😄

you need to trust the artist to do the right thing of course but then again, you can't micromanage people on short time span you have on game jams, that would kill the fun for everyone

and, usually you'd know most of the needed assets on day one already

[maiden loom]

timezones really, really help

in the case that something needs to change (it could be blocking someone, or worse, someone might already be working on it), you could lose hours of work because people are available at different times

I've seen it happen, where 5-6 hours work gets wasted because of communication difficulties

in a normal business environment, you chalk that up to the expense, but in a game jam you just lost a fuck ton of time

[small fern]

it's less common for art guy tho, like, you may need to have some changes done to it as plans evolve but other than that, it takes a while to prepare the new art assets anyway

I'd be more concerned about the final crunch before deadline and that everyone can attend it if it goes to that 😄

it's better now for european people

in past, the game jam deadline was like 6AM in the morning

meaning, people had to work through the last night if they still had unfinished tasks

also bit unfair as the game jam theme was announced like 9PM (it's still like that) as you kinda get the theme and then your day is already wrapped up

but it kinda evens out now with the deadline being shifted

[maiden loom]

Euro timing was a bit nasty, but it was okay tbh

you'd get a few hours to discuss the theme, sleep on it, then nail what you were going to do in the morning

as for the deadline, well you just plan your schedule accordingly or turn up to work quite sleepy

but yeah, time zones wise, I'd like to be working at the same time as other people, so personally that means other people in Europe, or US time zoners who are working during the day

[rigid fog]

Only if you don't know what you're doing

Been in plenty of successful teams with people all over the globe.

[copper carbon]

SideFX is giving anyone participating in the MegaJam a 3-month Houdini license 😃 http://epic.gm/megajam

[digital fern]

only 3? it was a year before

still great, but.. well.. less great

[karmic fiber]

nothing compared to top quality VFX anyway 😉

[digital fern]

oh derp, everyone? thats much better than just the winners. nm. move along peeps

[maiden loom]

hehe - it's pretty nice

I've been wanting to try the UE4 integration since forever, but could never justify the cost

[copper carbon]

@digital fern - yeah, that's for everyone in the jam. More to be announced ;P

[rigid fog]

@bronze mirage please don't do that

Really no reason to repost that. You literally just did it yesterday.

Make a team on Crowdforge

Looks like people are getting into it finally.

[maiden loom]

I have mixed feelings about Crowdforge; I've managed to have a quick chat with a couple of people, but it hasn't been overly fruitful tbh

also Crowdforge breaks if you join more than one team group, lol

[karmic fiber]

I bet it's worth a try!

[copper carbon]

Would love to hear everyone's feedback on Crowdforge. I know they're working on adding more features, which will help, but do you find the idea of a tool like that helpful? Or did you prefer just using a forum thread and other channels?

[maiden loom]

It's okay, and it could be useful, but it definitely needs work

for example you can't actually see anything about a team without joining it first

if you join multiple teams, it has real trouble directing you to the right pages

[copper carbon]

Are you joining multiple teams because you're trying to get more info (since you can't see anything without joining)?

[maiden loom]

there's no other way to talk to people, so you have to join multiple teams

but yeah, ultimately I would like more information

I do kind of feel like a forum style structure would have worked a bit better, since a prospective 'team' could have had a thread

[copper carbon]

I've been sending notes over to those guys. And it sounds like some of you have as well.

[maiden loom]

then you can dip into threads, read them etc, without needing to explicitely join a team or whatever

[copper carbon]

Yeah, that's legit.

[wise apex]

Having not participated in crowdforge but having participated in forum-based group building in the past.... that tends to work well IME.

[maiden loom]

I expect nearly everyone will use something like Discord at the end of the day when it comes to the actual jam

most people seem to be immediately redirecting to a Discord server from their 'Teams'

[wise apex]

And you can have an active subforum leading up to the event and through the end of the event which is archived as another subforum or something

Teams who participate in more than one jam might even be able to post in a "Persistent Teams" thing but that might be overdoing it.

And yeah discord is probably what I'd use for team comms

[maiden loom]

persistent teams is also a nice prospect, yeah

seperating 'teams' from 'jams' does make sense

[wise apex]

Not entirely sure that I have thought it out though.

[rigid fog]

@copper carbon Crowdforge will be good once they take into account all my suggestions for sure

But, a subforum just for Gamejams.. could be nice

Then split that into LFG, LFM

Keeping the main subforum for announcements

And yes, most teams are going towards their own discord channels. But that is to be expected.

Crowdforge jams should just be for recruitment

[copper carbon]

Ha - how much of a laundry list have you given them? 😛

Hmm - that's a thought. Will mull that one over

[rigid fog]

@copper carbon Well...consider my list to you for Gamejams and you should have a general idea :)

[somber hazel]

What are you guys talking about? The forum is already ugly and broken af. At this point, Crowdforge is the best solution. We will have at least 20 teams each Jam, it will be a mess if you have 1 big LFG and 1 big LFM subforum. And don't even come up with the idea to create a subforum for each team 😐

Guys at Crowdforge are also pretty responsive, so I have a good feeling that they will implement all the stuff we told them.

Whoever thinks about their customers eyes and implements a dark theme first will win the race 😐

[civic dock]

If there's anything we can do to make the Epic MegaJam a better experience for this channel, please don't hesitate to let us know. 📣

[rigid fog]

Worry about Categories and Channel Organization

First please

[grave marlin]

I was gone for a week, game jam already over who won etc?

[rigid fog]

@grave marlin Yeah, 3 underdogs won

Out of nowhere

All Solo Devs

[grave marlin]

lol

any change you have a link to the games?

or did you do a nice stream again

[rigid fog]

Hmmm

Did you really believe that

?

Jam doesn't even start until the 2nd of Nov 😃

[grave marlin]

yes i did because i tought it was last weekend

so you got your new team of experts ready vic?

[rigid fog]

Hmmm, experts. No. Very very talented folks. Yes.

I don't know if anyone could ever consider themselves an expert in UE4

Maybe engine devs

and only in the parts that they created 😉

[faint magnet]

Hi, I was just wondering where could I find teams to join for the upcoming epic megajam?

[copper carbon]

There are teams being formed here: https://crowdforge.io/jams/epicmegajam

[compact cedar]

@copper carbon is it possible to make a link to the Rules post from the Crowdforge page?

[copper carbon]

I'll ask them 😃

[radiant vessel]

👋

We'll do this now 😉

[rigid fog]

@radiant vessel Hello there

[radiant vessel]

@rigid fog Hello again 😄

[copper carbon]

Oh hey! 😄