can we get a meme channel?
#server-feedback
pure dagger
rich lintel
I really think, that is a bad idea
pure dagger
Why?
pure dagger
People chat there
I don't wanna flood a chat room with memes
Which is why I think we need a meme channel
People really need to think before saying "nope"
I can't see why not
rich lintel
Ue4-slackers is for people that wanna code and such.
what help, would a meme-channel benefit ?
worst case scenario would be, that the mods say no and suggest, that you do that in DM or on our own discord... but then again, I could be wrong
pure dagger
Coding, game development, etc can be stressful
Memes are a great stress reliever
When you can share memes with other people who are also stressed out, you feel a little bit better than you would just looking at them
You kinda feel connected to these other indie devs who are looking for relief just like you
rich lintel
the only way, you will get people to support you, if you get enough to support your suggestion
the more support you get, the more mods might consider it? but it is not a garantee
but try do, as @fleet surge suggested, post it in #lounge , but I dont think it is good idea, but I could be wrong on that part to
sonic hazel
If people want memes they can go to a meme place. This is a UE4 development community.
drowsy oxide
As Remco stated this server is for UE4 not for memes. Go elsewhere if you want that type of content.
wraith glade
I'm sure no one will mind if you post an occasional one when no one else is actively talking
brittle orchid
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weak knot
Wouldn't it be nice with a section for materials? I feel like a lot of people, myself included don't work a lot with materials and a separate discussion for it could help people learn a lot about materials
drowsy oxide
^^^ Read the channel descriptions. You can also check the #more-resources channel for further help.
rich lintel
@sonic hazel I was hoping for a channel processing-post π π π
silver heath
Could potentially separate #career-chat into actual career advice and some form of business discussion channel.
sonic hazel
How about a !faq bot command, i.e. someone asks a frequent question like how to cast in bp, you can do !faq bp casting. Then the bot replies with usefull links explaining the topic. Its not meant for the newbies here but for furniture slackers that know the commands since they contributed to build the knowledge base up
Since others will see the usage of it, they will learn about it aswell
fleet surge
it would be very clunky to use without autocomplete for the things it can print faqs for
sonic hazel
If you would pm him with i.e. !faq bp list, you would get all the entries
Good point zeblote
fleet surge
(that's really a missing feature for discord bots tbh)
deft raft
That would require someone to fill the FAQ list
Which either way results in a lot of work for us mods
Either we need to curate the posts you peeps mark
Or we have to add them
I would rather say you kindly suggest people to google specific terms
If you have a nice resource to something feel free to post ita nd ask a mod to pin it
drowsy oxide
I dont understand why people keep trying to turn Discord into Google search....
sonic hazel
People will ask it regardless, if such a think is a quick way to give the info we happen to know its only a win
For exi's point: a channel could be made where people with a (hidden) role can contribute to minimize moderation
drowsy oxide
Yeah but we would still have to verify those submissions.
gritty lotus
forum or Discord?
drowsy oxide
Discord
rich lintel
@sonic hazel We did have something like that, a while back, but that was before Voice got their own role, but that got changed.
But mostly people had FAQ question in #support-text and #generel-text
and most of the of us, that used voice back then, tryed to be helpful the best we could, but times changes...
open radish
the good old days?
rich lintel
@open radish yeah, to bad , we dont have those anymore...
rigid fractal
I think at this point we could actually just close down #design-chat entirely. Since people are clearly incapable of reading and understanding. Or just ignorant. There is not even remotely a discussion about game design in this channel.
It's similar in #career-chat btw. It's not about giving advice or tips for a career in gamedev anymore.
late plank
There's a general need for a channel concerning high level concepts about gamedev beyond "how do I do XYZ specific thing in Unreal" and #design-chat is an imperfect container for that... Just as there's a need for a channel concerning the business of gamedev, which #career-chat is also an imperfect container for.
So either generalize those channels or break them out into additional channels, IMO.
I've also observed a lot of portfolio stuff posted in the WIP & released channels btw, which is nominally the domain of #career-chat
drowsy oxide
Posting your portfolio is not career advice unless your particularly asking for feedback on its structure.
How would you break up these channels to achieve a better balance?
late plank
I'm not a community organizer so I can't say authoritatively. I've only been on this discord for a couple weeks, so I'm also unaware of any arc of history these channels had. Going by career-advice's description of "Job hunting tips, interview prep, resume and portfolio critique", I haven't seen much of that specifically. Instead, people seem to talk about skillsets, the business of gamedev (e.g. the feasibility of hiring freelancers, etc.), which sometimes sidetracks into general game design discussion. People talk about those things much more than want to have their portfolios critiqued. It could be defined more loosely (#business-and-careers), more strictly (#portfolio-critique), and/or broken out (#business).
Not sure what the nominal #design-chat discussion is supposed to look like, so I can't say what to do with it.
silver heath
^
drifting crescent
One thing as a short term would be to pin in game design better instructions for what it entails as the current setup is very vague and I imagine that some folks will understand game design as anything relevant to the practice of making a game, not questions or discussions in the process of designing a game if that makes sense
drowsy oxide
If people cant read a channel description they arent going to read the pinned messages although i can see the advantage to having it spelled out in better terms.
drifting crescent
I personally think itβs not fully about inability to read, but perhaps as a first measure for reforming it more specifically writing the channelβs intention would be good
brittle orchid
Can we get a broadcast / call to action for people to get that GDC role
deft raft
You mean the one for the events channel?
brittle orchid
Yeah
deft raft
Not sure. It's more of a remnant from Slackers.
The public version of that would be #events I guess
brittle orchid
aight
@chilly ivy could we get a broadcast / call to action for people to get that GDC role since no one knows about it
fleet surge
what if the gdc role was removed instead if no one knows about it π€
brittle orchid
that works too
deft raft
As said, it's a remnant from Slackers. We had it back then for the few people who got invited to GDC by Epic.
At least as far as I remember.
brittle orchid
Non-invitation by Epic people have been added by request over the years
deft raft
That's correct, but the community was also a lot smaller back then
I mean, I'm not against it. I'm in there and I don't even go to GDC anymore.
If someone is going to GDC, I'm more than open to add you to the group
rich lintel
any chance for updating the #more-resources , with info about the new channels , like #industry-chat etc
chilly ivy
@brittle orchid @deft raft Not sure if we should just open up the channel or what, but I agree something should change. GDC is the biggest industry event of the year for devs. I think we could do more to facilitate discussion, raise awareness, and provide useful resources for people who are going.
@rich lintel Yep, working on that right now. π
chrome talon
drifting crescent
I like the new description for #design-chat and I think I saw some actual game design discussion happen
prisma ibex
gritty lotus
this is not a gaming / fortnite server.
rich lintel
@gritty lotus you could have fooled me π (joke)
bold junco
how about roles like "engine contributor", like on the forums
gritty lotus
seems like a lot of effort to implement for little gain
drowsy oxide
We dont need more roles. Everyone is the same except for the staff and mods.
rich lintel
@drowsy oxide you forgot Voice, they have their own temp role π π
drowsy oxide
So do GDC members, but they are special cases
rich lintel
yep
carmine viper
awesome server
drowsy oxide
π
edgy rapids
"engine contributor" role is a huge appreciation to them.
drowsy oxide
Yep it sure is, but it belongs on the Forums, not in Discord.
visual oar
hi, is there any particular method for asking for help here? like in GDL there was a 'helpers' group you could ping if there was noone around
or should i just repost my question if it gets too far up the chat and remains unanswered
sonic hazel
See #more-resources and #old-rules
visual oar
thanks but that doesn't really answer my question
sonic hazel
Imho it does, be respective and constructive. Use the most applied channel for your question.
visual oar
well theres nothing about using the 'everyone' or' here' pings, and people tend to get really pissy if you use them, theres nothing in the rules or guides, so i thought i would try get some clarification
gritty lotus
those are disabled
just ask in the relevant channel, and if there's someone around they'll hopefully answer
you can't really have pings like that in a channel with tens of thousands of people, haha
deft raft
That's exactly how it should be on a free-help platform.
If you need help instantly and 100% on point, hire someone.
- Find channel fitting question topic.
- Post question with as much information as possible
- Wait for someone with knowledge about it to answer it.
visual oar
ok thanks. I'd be pretty tempted to hire someone in short bursts to help me learn specific things...
the trouble being finding someone willing
maybe that could be a channel 'help for hire' unless thats already covered by the job boards
@red imp yeah, im Aussie so most of the devs willing to help wont be available at the same time, so anything that can put me above dumb-luck is worth looking into
gritty lotus
Anyone foolish enough to assign themselves a helper role would be inundated with inane requests, unfortunately
you'll probably also be surprised who is online, and when
visual oar
so what your saying is i should put my c++ networking questions in my tinder bio
gritty lotus
π€
and no, but my increased visibility on the panel on the right is something I have to deal with already
I've probably got about 80-100 people blocked for randomly calling me over and over again, as an example
visual oar
see thats kinda what i was asking about
gritty lotus
in this case it's people I've never even spoken to, they just start calling
when you decline / ask them what they want, half the time they just call again
it's infuriating
or they add you to random group chats out of the blue, and call the whole group π
visual oar
glad im not in any customer service role, wouldnt end well for anyone
gritty lotus
it's calmed down in recent months mercifully
a while back I'd get maybe two or three a day
visual oar
people are the worst, and yet, here i am trying to make games for them >.<
rich lintel
@red imp didn't we have something like that, a while back in voice?
you know, having people that didn't have the role, but helped out the best they could...?
gotcha
open radish
And was free
rich lintel
well those days was fun... tobad they all left... π’ I miss those guys
deft raft
Good thing we still have all these other people that help in all other channels all day long for free (:
rich lintel
Well I can agree on, that things has changed abit to the better. But if you would call that helping, then it is pretty far fetch (:
there is always room for improvements, and changes... and also remember, that changes is a good thing. π
lime timber
I would like more help in voice chat, it's hard getting my question across in chat... No one ever joins the voice chat for help.
and it's way on the bottom for some reason...
drowsy oxide
Because not enough people use it.
lime timber
Yeah... probably because it's on the bottom...
rich lintel
@drowsy oxide that is not true... people were using it, but that is a story we have already debated
drowsy oxide
I said not enough not that no one used it.
Also its on the bottom because when people do use it, it pushes everything else down to show the users who are in it.
Which is something we dont want.
rich lintel
just to be clear, you mean, that you dont want everything else pushed down, and that is a thing, I can understand
but chasing the rest of the voice users away, still didn't make sense
that is my opinion
drowsy oxide
No body was chased away. Whoever used it previously chose to stop using it. That isnt our fault. We have been over this so many times mate.
rich lintel
because they did leave, and never to return... , and I do miss them all π’
@drowsy oxide I got 1 question, whos idea was it then, to close the voice, so nobody can watch the text-channels, unless you are in the voice??
drowsy oxide
Im not arguing with you mate.
rich lintel
I was asking a question?
lime timber
Oh... so you DON'T want voice chat cluttering up the text chat... Cause I joined a Discord discussion group to VOICE chat... cause that's what Discord is... If I wanted a forum, there's plenty of those... IS there an Unreal Engine "Discord(voice chat)" channel available??? Because I thought discord was specific to voice chat... and btw, I'm an innocent bystander with query... just noticed a discussion in progress and voicing my point of view... If there's an active UE4 voice chat, I'd much like to be involved.
drowsy oxide
Correct. Text Chat is more feasible for us. We have over 21 thousand members here.
Im not aware of a Server that specifically focuses more on Voice Chat. Please keep in mind that our #old-rules prohibit the sharing of Discord links as well. If someone would like to provide you with a Server that better fits your needs then have them communicate that to you over DM.
lime timber
That's a very impersonal response... I hope someone sees my concern and invites me to their voice chat channel. I welcome all invite to my inbox. I'm even sitting in the voice chat now open to discussion, and the moderators aren't visiting.
drowsy oxide
Joining voice chat is a choice, not a requirement. That goes for the Moderators as well. What type of response were you expecting?
lime timber
Oh damn... not that one! But okay then! My skills are going elsewhere. Does Epic moderate this channel? Because this is horrible. Godot is looking finer by the minute!
rich lintel
why dont we all just take a deep breath, count to 10, and get a cookie π
drowsy oxide
This Discord is not affiliated with Epic in any official capacity.
lime timber
Well you list "Epic Staff" in your user list... I might reference this conversation in a private message. But I'm guessing their "give a shit" meter will read the same as yours. And don't tell me to eat a cookie, what the fuck?
drowsy oxide
The Epic Staff role is for those members who are official Epic employees that choose to be part of this Discord, that does not mean that Epic are affiliated with this Server in an official capacity. I dont understand what the issue is here?
lime timber
I'm going to be blunt before I leave this server, the issue is that you're writing me off as an insignificant contributor to your group, which is fine for you, it looks like you have plenty of members and associates, including those in Epic. Guess I'll just leave you to it, as apparently my input is irrelevant.
I was just hoping for a more active voice channel, as the Discord app implies.
drowsy oxide
There was nothing wrong with your input. I gave you answers to your queries, the discussion between myself and Miscni was not intended to disrupt your input. As i explained, we have been over this topic before. Your input was heard and i responded with why the Voice Channels are as they are and will be staying that way for the foreseeable future.
If your not happy with our discussion, contact another Moderator if you wish to discuss this issue with someone else.
lime timber
Your "dickspeak" is spot on, I'm pretty good at it too, though... I'll be sure to contact my local congresswoman to discuss how I was treated here.
drowsy oxide
Im not trying to sound or be condescending. Im being genuine. This really got out of hand for some reason
lime timber
Problem is that your "Genuine" is condescending dickhead...
drowsy oxide
Ok now your being rude.
lime timber
Okay, maybe I went too far... I have been drinking... I'm just like... wtf...
wait... you reported me for being disrespectful to the moderator??? DID I NOT PLEASE THE CROWN?
drowsy oxide
Move to #lounge join in on the discussion and lets move on please.
Read the #old-rules thanks.
rich sky
Hmm... No Unity Logo for April Fool's Day...tsk tsk... someone steal my idea quick
deft raft
@rich sky A Unity logo would be too foreseeable. How about, Lumberyard?
"Unofficial UE4 Discord officially unofficial acquires Lumberyard Engine Logo."
gritty lotus
lol
sleek warren
I'm curious
why did you close GDC channels so early
there's still ton to discuss about it
for example sessions are coming to vault any day now
open radish
The voice chat was moved up where it can be seen. Great! ...April fools
wraith glade
Discord should really just let users rearrange the channels how they wish, would solve such problems for everyone
fast skiff
how would that work with categories though?
chilly ivy
Making the channel list user-configurable wouldn't solve any of the problems discussed here.
I think it would be a UX nightmare personally.
brittle orchid
wait what
who drove away voice users?
voice users have always been in spite of the system rather than because of the system
there was no driving away for me at least
wraith glade
Well, I think it would work by you being able to "favourite" channels, which would then be pushed to the top
It would solve the problem of people thinking voice is hidden at the bottom, but of course the real complained-about issue was that other people don't go in there
But honestly I don't think most people want to talk and it being at the top wouldn't make much if any difference
drowsy oxide
@brittle orchid No one drove them away. Some users think that because the Voice channels are at the bottom and that we only show the supporting text channels when your actually in the Voice channels "drove" the regular users of said channel away.
wraith glade
Seems a bit far-fetched that someone would stop using a channel (if they were previously using it), just because it's at the bottom
Surely they'd just scroll down, or hide some of the other channels that are in the way?
brittle orchid
aye
I don't go there anymore usually because other people don't go there
but I don't blame the system
wraith glade
I just noticed that your avatar is animated to fit with you saying "aye"
drowsy oxide
As of now we have 21666 users
Im sure if they wanted to use Voice, a larger proportion of people would be in there using it.
We have the channels to be used for that purpose, they arent being used, so that says to us they arent a priority for the 21k members and so they will stay where they are in the format they are until that situation changes and they become significantly more popular than they have been in the past.
By popular i mean being USED
brittle orchid
what is more important is
gritty lotus
I've never seen more than 7 people using voice, and of those 7 something like 3 were muted / muting
brittle orchid
I'd like to augment unrealbot
so that it'll randomly pull words from the Epic Games profanity blacklists
C:\Program Files (x86)\Epic Games\Launcher\Portal\Content\Social\ProfanityLists
gritty lotus
is that a legit file?
drowsy oxide
And just randomly swear at people?
drowsy oxide
Heh
gritty lotus
weird
brittle orchid
office mates are now calling eachother unknown insults in other languages
gritty lotus
hahaha
drowsy oxide
Lets ask if we could have Alexa integrated so that UnrealBot can gather randomly specific details about people and creep everyone out
wraith glade
Oddly that's not where my Epic Games Launcher is installed
Maybe it ends up somewhere else if you first installed it for UE4
Random profanity is far less fun than random polite insults
But that's steering way off topic for server feedback
brittle orchid
my topic is augmenting the unrealbot
for the better
given that its UnrealBot and these are official Epic Games word lists
makes sense to me
wraith glade
I don't think it would be compatible with being a Discord partnered server
deft raft
Just gotta be lucky that the person doesn't know the word
fresh igloo
how can I post on looking for work?\
wraith glade
@fresh igloo You need to go through the bot, check #more-resources for instructions
fresh igloo
thanks!!
woven robin
@hidden forum << Scammer Alert.
Completed a small Unreal Engine work for him. And he disappeared when it was time to Pay.
It's been around 2 weeks he's Off-line. With no Information.
@hidden forum << Scammer Alert.
rich sky
If this is true, are there ways to ban folks from using #looking-for-talent ? Like blacklist them.
fleet surge
how would they verify that it is true?
drowsy oxide
Our stance is that users should take all precautions to protect themselves when dealing with other members of the community. We have no way of knowing whos side of the story to believe.
So we do not get involved. Our jurisdiction ends with this Server, anything that occurs outside of its channels there is very little we can do about.
We encourage users to always have a foolproof method of ensuring that they are not being taken advantage of as much as possible.
woven robin
Well.. you can always make a sub channel with Possible Scammer List.
So, that people are aware of people like this.
drowsy oxide
We have no way of verifying the legitimacy of a scammer claim. We prefer to just stay neutral and continue to advise people to keep their wits about them and protect themselves when dealing with other members of the community.
sonic hazel
There is a topic on the ue4 forums that keeps up a list of potential scammers
deft raft
@woven robin For the future, here are two rules:
- No Source Control? Create the System/Art. Showcase Client via Video or Screenshare. Wait for payment. Deliver.
- If Source Control used. Get half the payment upfront. Create the System (submitting to the client regulary). Hopefully receive second half.
And always have a Contract.
The third one is not a rule. That's a given.
full swift
is there a "help channel" because from the rules i read for this server i may be wrong typing the question i have to get answer to in a wrong channel...
i dont see a help channel here, only showcases
rigid tulip
Only the ones under the "Share your work" category are showcases. The rest are help channels.
Oh and except for lounge, that's just off topic discussion of whatever people feel like
full swift
i feel like i have asked a question in a exact right channel for this but i think its been removed and from the rules i read they never explain why they remove
rigid tulip
It's a little late at night, but when a moderator pops on they might be able to tell you more then. Nobody here is paid to be here though, it's possible nobody knew the answer and just didn't respond.
If it was removed, then yeah you'll need to ask a mod
full swift
or maybe i did not post the question and it has not been sent at all so i am afraid to spam same question again in case if it was deleded by mods but want to post again in case if i did not send it at all
rigid tulip
The mods are pretty friendly, if you have any issues you can go to them without worrying
full swift
ok i'll risk π
deft raft
@full swift I removed it, because you were asking in the #work-in-progress channel, which is only for showcasing your work.
full swift
ok my bad
woven robin
@deft raft Normally I do that. But, since it was a simple stuff. I thought what the hell. Let's Trust for one time. But, I guess Trust is something you shouldn't take risks on. π€£π€£π€£
sonic hazel
I would think a DM would be send if a message was deleted and why π
full swift
all good π
deft raft
@sonic hazel I would usually just tag them, but posting a technical question in #work-in-progress without any previous context was so damn offtopic, I couldn't bother
north nova
Hey y'all, where is the best place to post questions and resources for nDisplay? Should there perhaps be an #ndisplay channel (maybe under platforms)?
deft raft
That's the first time I even read about nDisplay. We didn't have a lot of questions (one page of messages if you search for it) about it either.
I guess #ue4-general is a good start and if you drift too much towards a specific topic, move into a more defined channel.
Don't think this needs a special channel.
north nova
@deft raft ok, thanks!
open radish
@deft raft Can I make a suggestion to the server?
Can we have a #Programming_Misc. or something similar under Programming
deft raft
What would that be for?
open radish
For discussion about and help with partly unrelated programming languages
@deft raft
so like matlab, glsl, hlsl, low level assembly of different kinds etc
deft raft
The thing is, we are mainly a UE4 "Support" Server.
Most of the other programming stuff is covered elsewhere
I'll bring it up on the mod channel, but don't think this will make it.
open radish
Ok, but if it is still related to unreal in some way, like for example I'm learning glsl right now and want to find people to talk to that can program in either glsl or hlsl here on the server to dicuss and learn from so I can use that to work my own shader files instead of using the material editor in my projects, so I was thinking a channel for misc. programming would let people like me on the server dicuss ideas or help eachother not only in shaders ofcourse but any language that isn't a big focus in general here
open radish
true but It's under content creation so I thought it had to be in regards to contnt being created and not learning/discussing ideas
deft raft
Discussing Design stuff can go into #design-chat
We have plenty of channels and if you aren't sure you can always go into #ue4-general and ask there.
As far as I can tell (based on the mod-channel), we currently don't see a need for an additional programming channel.
Most of the stuff you want to discuss related to UE4 can already be discussed in the existing channels.
Thanks for bringing it up though, we are going to keep it in mind.
open radish
Im gonna check out the graphics channel aswell, see if anypone there can help me haha
cursive steeple
I think the #looking-for-work channel needs to change. I can't ignore specific posters because of the bot posting it and this Serge/pony labs guy comes up with his long ass post every few entries. Probably as bad as it is because I browse on a phone. Can the bot please prevent him from posting as much? Its also unfair to other users who deserve to be seen.
Maybe only allowing individuals would be a better solution. They don't have someone dedicated to spamming their services that are never in the best interest of indie devs π€
gritty lotus
things like USF shader programming don't really belong in graphics, which is already a crowded channel as it is and could probably deal with being broken down more
people who do 3d modelling don't give a toss about complex shader programming
and it's certainly not "content creation"
also looking for work is a pain when people abuse the channel :/
it's literally mostly the same four or five people posting over and over again
cursive steeple
@gritty lotus It would be nice if we could do something about those individuals then, talk to them and tell them to stop more or less π€
Isn't a professional job board, shouldn't have to keep updating your post to beat the spam, should be sharing it with each other
It just hurts everyone - those posting and those looking
wraith glade
Yeah, certainly noticed the pony labs spam whenever I glanced in there
rich sky
I agree on the Serge guy
I personally feel, once a month should be good enough
The bot can easily do that
(limit posts to once a month form certain users)
I mean, the forums don't allow you to spam
And multiple posts are condensed (usually) by mods with a warning
About once a week. So he's due for another one this weekend probably
maybe even today/tomorrow
I don't agree on the "only individuals" though @cursive steeple . But, since we do have a whole category at the very bottom (and probably the reason why they keep posting so much (IronBelly is right behind this guy), because no one can ever find that channel and get them any contracts), we could add a distinction between individuals and companies.
#looking-for-talent
#looking-for-work-single (or individual, but that's a bit long)
#looking-for-work-studio
That should then free up some clutter
cursive steeple
I'd leave #looking-for-work alone and just add an extra one for studios
rich sky
sure, that works also
#studio-LFW
#studio-looking-for-contracts
hm, dunno, w/e
#studio-need-$$$
ocean siren
I feel like just having basic features expected of a listing service would be fine.
One post per entity
If you post again, prior is removed. You are flagged if you do this too often
That comes with being able to edit/update/remove without mod intervention
After the work needed for that, there is an update path toward removing the time limit on posting
Adding another channel to the bot won't be that much easier. You'll still have a whitelist or a blacklist.
So probably the job board is fine and plays its role
drowsy oxide
We are still accepting responses to the Job Board survey that was posted in #unreal-news some time ago.
If you havent already i recommend you add your comments to the survey.
spiral vector
Because we will have Gauntlet document soon. Maybe we should add channel for AutomationTest.
brittle orchid
+1 gauntlet channel
for the same reason gameplay-abilities-plugin exists
if yall haven't noticed, gameplay-abilties-plugin is always lit the fuck up
gritty lotus
there's a Unity job ad in the looking for talent section again -_-
drowsy oxide
π
inner stone
lol
cursive steeple
Doing the survey but its just gonna make me depressed
Feels like the people who frequent and respond to ads there are the ones who can't find jobs
And the ones who are good don't need to go hunting
It would be nice if it had some sort of automated vetting process before passing them onto you π€ No idea how that would work
The result of posting in it is almost always filtering through many people who don't cut it and usually none who do
gritty lotus
Aye, but welcome to any community job board
My favourite of course being placing an advert for something like a 'backend infrastructure engineer', then having to deal with a torrent of 'do you need a musician?' xD
deft raft
@cursive steeple Yeah, the main reason we are doing the survey is to get more info on what the users want.
My idea was to move it outside of Discord, to allow more features, however the step outside of Discord is also not easy.
We def want to improve the Job Board, no matter if it stays on Discord or not.
However as ambershee says, this is kinda how community job boards are.
It miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight be possible to add some sort of filtering to the requests.
In terms of manually checking them and denying bad ones (bad formatted etc.)
native orchid
Can I have Unrealbot remove one of my looking-for-work entries? I made the mistake thinking it would overwrite my entry.
wraith glade
I remember when that survey first came up, I looked at it, but came to the conclusion that it didn't really apply to me, as I've never actually used the job board, just looked at it with a mind to maybe use it later
cursive steeple
@deft raft https://i.imgur.com/IK3ptWn.png
https://i.imgur.com/aqFv4QS.png
3/5 people didn't even follow the one instruction to link a portfolio, and this is possibly the simplest job ad I've ever had to post
deft raft
You always have that though?
deft raft
People applying with different levels of professionalism?
cursive steeple
I mean, its consistently lacking
I don't mind differeing professionalism but not following a basic instruction π€·
And most of them doing it π€
deft raft
What does that have to do with us/the board though?
No one is gonna filter the applications for you
Well, at least not before they reach you. Hire someone who filters them Β―_(γ)_/Β―
rich sky
well
Actually, and I know this may be a little more complicated than what you were all thinking for revamp... but, there's a possibility to have the bot (or new Job-only bot), be the middle man
AD goes up. Checkboxes for "prereqs/requirements" , make them anonymous. Now, anyone who wants to apply for job. Pings bot with Ad ID number, checks off requirements. ADs get pushed to AD Owner
(if reqs don't get checked off, nothing gets pushed)
"check off" in this regard would be the same as simply asking questions, and getting responses back
That would take care of any spam and help with filtering
I mean, if people can't read instructions on a simple Ad, they most likely aren't going to listen about the stuff that needs to get done
deft raft
How would you filter via that though?
Only thing you could do is make it mandatory to post your portfolio via the bot.
Asking actual questions via the bot would just lead in weird answers being forwarded.
Cause the bot can't check the content of the answer.
Or rather I won't code that for something like this.
@rich sky
ocean siren
There's a lot that I think the bot could or should do, but vetting isn't one of them.
If you want vetting, slackers isn't going to provide that to you and you'd be better off with upwork. Maybe TripleByte (or a company with a similar goal) could step into this market.
vocal blade
well, for this scenario, short of bot reading the users mind to see if the user is willing to follow instructions and then selectively (not)showing the content...
cyan cipher
Make it so we can have roles such as programmer, writer, 3d modeller & sound designer
sonic hazel
how is that a suggestion?
gritty lotus
he means in Discord
but I honestly don't see what purpose it would serve
there are channels that cover those topics, so if you want to discuss them, you'd go there
rich sky
TBH. The amount of people that have requested it... It should seriously just be done. Have a serious talk about the dynamics (like no @ping groups) . Make it self service via bot.
One less thing to worry about, move on to the next thing.
The sad thing about this server is that most requests just feel like they fall on deaf ears. Or blind eyes may be a better analogy.
From someone who has been here since the beginning basically... I have seen this take place over and over again.
Not sure if it's changed recently, maybe moderators have been given more free reigns by the dictatorship. Maybe not. I know that was a big issue before. Personally what I see are mods saying they will discuss things... Then nothing happens roughly 99.5% of the time.
Random channels get added that no one really wanted (only a select few). Channels people really want don't get added.
Role additions has definitely been the most requested feature since the beginning of the time basically.
Get that shit done already.
And start seriously considering the needs and wants of your community
Because from my POV, that shit ain't happening.
-Regards, Real Talk
P.S. For A bunch of gamedevs, it feels you all lack something very critical in the whole "community/feedback loop" area.
deft raft
A lot of these "suggestions" or "requests" all sound nice at the start. Most of the time, while we discuss it we come to the conclusion that these requests wouldn't add anything valuable.
Like the "roles" request. We already said more than once that channels are covering the different topics and the users who are good with these topics will be found in thouse channels.
Like me sitting on #multiplayer #ue4-general and #blueprint
The voice servers were wished for so much and still barely anyone uses them. And instead of realising that of all our users only a very low percentage really wants to use them, a few peeps start blaming the removal of TEXT channels.
Then Random channels get added that no one really wanted (only a select few). Channels people really want don't get added..
We had tons of trouble with the original career chat and the design one. People wished for them to be moderated or adjusted.
We adjusted them and it got a lot better.
A lot of the other channels that are requested are already covered and the topics aren't flooding the existing channels at all.
And it's also not only the "moderators" who disregard these requests. Most of the time our community is already arguing against them, see ambershee.
Role additions has definitely been the most requested feature since the beginning of the time basically.
Once every two months maybe.
Now we went ahead and constructed a job survey to adjust the job board.
Barely anyone even takes part in the survey
rich sky
Look. As soon as you started to go into defense mode, you proved my main point.
deft raft
It's a weak point though. All you do is stating that we don't allow all requests. Which I happily admit.
rich sky
I assure you. It is not weak and I am not the only one thinking it
deft raft
And as always, no one forces you to stay here if you really dislike it that much.
rich sky
I may be the only one saying it, but alas. It's a tough job.
deft raft
However the majority of users here seems to not have a problem.
rich sky
I am not here to argue. I wanted you to sincerely read, digest and understand my points. Which seems to not really have been. Only the need to argue/defend.
deft raft
I did and looking at what we do and what sort of requests we allow and deny, I don't see the problem.
You can label that "defending" if you want.
rich sky
It's okay. It was definitely within my current expectations (of how it would be viewed/handled)
deft raft
Ah, don't worry, I know your stance towards us. :P
If it would be up to you we would probably have 150 more channels.
drifting crescent
My suggestion would be that you open up a channel that shows the internal discussion of matters and suggestions as read only for users who are not a member of the serverβs staff to see why things donβt go through, but that they are discussed. Totally understand that there are issues with this, but thatβs my suggestion
drowsy oxide
Just because a community βsuggestionsβ, like the roles was not implemented does not mean it was not discussed by us. It means that we discussed it and we came to the conclusion that its not worth adding. Every idea that comes through this channel is not always the best idea in the world. We think of the consequences and weigh our options before making a final decision, but unfortunately like the roles suggestion they would cause more harm than good.
sleek warren
People nagged about the roles a lot earlier. We just stopped asking as it became clear it is not happening and roles with colors are "reserved only for more important people". This also feeds the assumption that every member on this server isn't equal.
This is the only group this big that I've been at that doesnt implement roles
It is nice way to allow people adjust their identity on the group, get more unique color to nickname
Instead of forcing most people to boring white
having different colored nicknames also helps on discussion readability as every nick isn't the same color
for example I use compact mode (which still wastes a lot of whitespace) so I don't see the avatars, I just see same colored nicknames with occasional green and orange nick names attending the discussions
@drowsy oxide since this has been discussed, what were the arguments against and for roles among moderators and the admin? In past it really felt it was Nick's decision alone that he didn't want them for regular users.
dark cosmos
I'm also failing to see why this would be an issue with established rules. There are already roles anyway, people don't seem to abuse ping them or any other thing like that, so what else could be an issue? Genuinely curious
Edit: it doesnt affect me at all because my name is an emoji so i genuinely dont care, so please dont take what I say negatively
sleek warren
oh, you can just disable the role pinging
from how I view it, they want to reserve the roles for people with specific status either on here or on the forums or at epic. but there's really no reason why they couldn't also give that option for the rest
dark cosmos
There are literally tons of roles that could be made for people in this group from what I'm seeing. I like the idea of a self-service bot that lets people do it themselves anyway, light work for mods and the server benefits as a whole
sleek warren
if anyone has used irc at freenode, there admins are enforced to hide their OP status, this means everyone appear the same for everyone and people are treated equally unless there's a need for administrative operations. here it feels that roles are used to show who have the power so it's quite opposite of what freenode did
if people got opportunity to pick a role they wanted, it wouldn't put all the rest on the same bin like is happening now
dark cosmos
I mean I'm just thinking 5000 people without roles seems pretty hard to defend if a majority want roles lol
sleek warren
it's hard to tell how many would really want them, but they do get occasionally asked and they always get denied
dark cosmos
Well, I genuinely hope something gets figured out. Good luck
wraith glade
I'm in another gamedev server which has roles and I never knew which one to pick
It's does kind of help with telling people apart quickly in conversations, especially those annoying people with no avatar except for the standard Discord one
If the colours were done here, I'd want them to be subdued, though
Not bright primary colours everywhere
sonic hazel
To be honest, there doesn't seem to be much chance that suggestions get passed trough the admin and mods (based on what I see here), also it's usually a one way street here
I doubt that there will ever be user roles and colored nicknames here, it must be the most frequent request here
gritty lotus
the way roles are currently used, it means that people that others may need to contact appear at the top of the list when they're online
wraith glade
This is very true
Though even if user role were added, they could go below the current roles in the list
gritty lotus
I don't think you can order them in Discord?
gritty lotus
had a quick look at my own server settings, and I can't see a way to order them
but you can hide roles from the right hand side, so that's something
I think they're in the order they were created
wraith glade
Yeah, I don't see how you'd sort them either
wraith glade
To be fair, the user list in this channel is completely useless
gritty lotus
so you can order them
wraith glade
Except for contacting mods/bots
wraith glade
5744 people online and no scrollbar
Or, I mean, it does have a scrollbar, but it's so tiny you can't really use it
gritty lotus
best UI
gritty lotus
yeah, I can't use it at all
doubly so when I don't have a mouse connected
trying to use the touchpad on it π
wraith glade
owww my fingertips
I wonder how many people would come in here and complain if they did add coloured user roles
gritty lotus
haha, also true
at the same time, you'd need so many roles, I'm not sure what the point is
wraith glade
Yeah, I don't really know
gritty lotus
as an example I'm a Technical Designer - which role do I get? Is that a role in itself?
wraith glade
I'm not convinced they're actually useful
That was also the problem I had, on the other Discord
What do you call a hobbyist solo dev?
Am I a programmer? An artist? etc.
gritty lotus
aye
wraith glade
Kind of have to do all of that stuff
sleek warren
I tend to pick Generalist if it's an option
solo devs tend to do pretty much everything they don't license outright
wraith glade
Yeah, jack of all trades and master of none
drowsy oxide
How many roles would we have?
What order would they appear in?
What colors would they be?
Do we allow users to choose multiple roles or only 1
What practical use outside of making you feel special because your colored would they serve?
sleek warren
Unity discord has these for example
Usually you can have multiple. Color is set by the order ranks are listed
drowsy oxide
There is less than 50 people on this Server with colored roles out of ~22000. We dont do it because we are on a powertrip, you obviously dont respect what we do here if thats your opinion.
I dont see what having a running tally of self described roles achieves.
Its just a statistic.
We usually dont add a suggestion because it doesnt really serve a practical purpose that doesnt further create more complexity on the Server.
Thats why we dont add every new channel idea. Because if its not needed it just further segregates the community and adds complexity.
Another channel one of us has to read to keep the peace.
We arent selfish here we arent sitting around saying βhey heres a suggestion, lets shoot it down because we are arseholesβ
We have internally discussed things like roles and channels for months even when it hasnt been an active point of discussion in this channel.
The same issue we come back around to is that it serves no practical purpose that doesnt just create a more complex environment.
sonic hazel
So what about just roles for colors so people can 'customize' a little? π
sleek warren
^
Cant you color mods and admins white too?
I've been around this group from early days on slack. I know how things work around here and that is what I base my opinions on
drowsy oxide
Yeah can already customize your name man. Just not with color. Add some emojis or something....
I will bring it up with the other Mods though
drifting crescent
I think the idea for this server to my understanding is a forum for like minded vocational game devs and hobbyists and adding roles splitting up the community further and removing some of the accessibility thatβs there since it can be perceived as setting a bar for these things
sleek warren
This is why people say their feedback is ignored
drowsy oxide
We dont ignore it. We discuss everything man, truely we do. Its just that we have our own strong opinions of what the server is for and how it achieves that.
drowsy oxide
Dont start Victor you have no clue man
rich sky
It's just the mentality you have all just keep presenting
Don't want to work a bit to improve the community? Step down
If you have no power, then fight for it.
drowsy oxide
Your opinion of what improving the community means is not the same as ours, doesnt mean we arent βdoing our jobsβ.
rich sky
You are correct, I don't have a clue. Because I would actually be listening to my community and putting forth much more of an effort than what I am constantly seeing.
sleek warren
Telling there's no point in letting people express themselves in nick colors through roles is equal as saying nobody would need anything but default skin in fortnite
rich sky
I'm only typing now, because all I have seen is "waahhh waaah, it would take a little more work from us in the beginning, and I don't want to do more (or any) work to run a community"
sleek warren
Nobody needs them. But many want them
rich sky
It's like the motto for Unreal Slacker Mods
drowsy oxide
Your welcome to start your own Discord if you have different ideas of what a UE4 Discord should look like
rich sky
^ again
sleek warren
Thats frankly the worst way to receive feedback
rich sky
Like I said before, you guys are really good at defending yourselves from improving the quality of the server if it means you have to actually do something to do it.
sleek warren
People give feedback because they want to improve this group. They dont want to create a competing group
rich sky
"I have to take care of another channel" . I mean come on now... come on now...
You don't have to do shit, it's the bot doing it.
sleek warren
This shouldnt be a dictated "take it or leave it" thing
rich sky
"Oh, but I then have to make a bot to do it" ... takes all of 30 seconds nowadays.
drifting crescent
Again this is why I suggest you open a channel that is read only for those that arenβt staff and show the internal discussion of some of these matters as itβs not a storming of the bastille sort of thing, but it shows that this conversation is happening and why these things donβt go through
rich sky
If you want a YouTube tutorial, let me know.
sleek warren
people who are in the community, make the community
people who run the server often mistake it that so they created everything
rich sky
"We aren't paid for this mate"
Like, what the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING
Let me tell you... nothing
sleek warren
there's a donate button afaik on the slackers site
but afaik it all goes to one person
unless that button got removed already
rich sky
What the hell was the point of any of you mods to even bother becoming mods?
Just to get maybe a little bit more leverage amongst the community?
Maybe a little more insider info, swag, etc, powertrip? Maybe you like to be the few to have color (Cause helping improving the community, listening and enacting on feedback sure doesn't seem to be it)
But, I'm pretty sure I've said similar things over the years, nothing's changed. One day, I hope it will.
sleek warren
well, to be fair, moderators responsibility isn't to improve the server, that's really what admins do
but we got like half admin right now
groups this big usually got multiple admins
but that again goes along with the things mentioned before
wraith glade
If you really want roles and colours, why don't you go and do a poll in one of the actually active channels?
See if the people who don't actually come in here much actually want it
or if they actively don't want it
sleek warren
I dunno, this channel is for that purpose specifically, people ask that here, and I just voiced my opinion since the response was the same old "meh, only so few requests every month or two"
and like said before, people don't really need that, it's just a nice to have feat, making people feel more equal on the group
it's not really anything new that it's not considered, so why fight for it?
what is common tho is that people who have requested things here, have really struggled to get their voices heard
drowsy oxide
Getting heard and getting what you want are not the same thing.
We listen to everything.
Stop making it out like we dont.
brittle orchid
There is always going to be a chasm between user and moderator
or user and service
users are always going to be disgruntled and moderators will always be held behind a vague wall that is professional silence
sleek warren
what I personally want is irrelevant here, this whole topic was about users in general asking for the same thing
my opinions are based on years experience here, of course moderators can tell they have their own view, just like users on the community can have theirs
brittle orchid
maybe a way to bring peace is to put out a poll
you don't actually have to act on the poll
lets say 1000 people see the poll, and 1000 people vote yes they want role colors
you can easily argue 1000/how ever big this server is that the ratio isn't enough to implement
sleek warren
I dunno if this is about the role thing alone now tho π I usually ignore this channel because of the things mentioned today, just saw a reoccurring theme and wanted to support people who got declined again on that topic
drowsy oxide
Its the same topic though.
brittle orchid
but the people responding to the poll will feel like they're being listend to
everyone wins
drowsy oxide
Why would you expect a different result when we already have explained our reasons
Multiple times.
Im not against a poll.
brittle orchid
just like how channels for storing information are rejected because discord is terrible for that
drowsy oxide
But previous experience with polling and surveys on this Server tell us no one wants to do them
brittle orchid
Discord channels are terrible for persistent bits of knowledge like the fact that this is a repeat issue
so unless you have an easy to read list of things that have already been discussed an why they're rejected
drowsy oxide
Ill correct my earlier statement. *Not alot of people participate.
brittle orchid
someone who is 2 weeks new could easily come in and request the same thing as someone a month ago
sleek warren
just put all items there that people request
brittle orchid
and have no idea of your stance
sleek warren
of course people would abuse that too
brittle orchid
discord polling is as easy as a ping and two reactions, a thumbs up and a thumbs down
sleek warren
I'd be careful on the pings, people don't like that π
drowsy oxide
We have discussed using Trello as a means for collating suggestions that users can then vote on and we can give our reasons why they might be rejected or unsuitable.
wraith glade
That sounds like a good idea
brittle orchid
having a #vote channel with like 5 text entries each with their own reactions is quick, easy, requires no maintenance
sleek warren
but that would be a new channel then, and it took like 2 years of convincing to get #legacy-physics here π€
brittle orchid
yeah well
sleek warren
yeah, I know, I'll behave π
brittle orchid
experimenting and changing things up for the sake of trying to be better and being passive and reluctant to change for fear of not breaking things are both viable ways to run a thing
I'd probably not want to break this server
but if I can't break things then theres no fun for me
drowsy oxide
We have ~22k members, we tend to lean on not wanting to break stuff....
sleek warren
π
drowsy oxide
People are familiar with the format, we want to be familiar, we dont want to change up the channel categories every week.
sleek warren
I'd be curious about the active user count more
drowsy oxide
Prune will only remove ~3k ppl FYI
brittle orchid
then prune away!
brittle orchid
aye it doesn't make sense to not inflate your user count if your user count is what drives value
drowsy oxide
I dont think that was even a reason. It was more that he doesnt want to remove someone that "might" return
More saving their inconvenience
Of being removed
Than anything else
brittle orchid
joining a discord server is so fast and easy that usually the problem is people join with multiple accounts
rather than not being able to join
drowsy oxide
True, we might revisit the issue another time.
I dont think that should be at the top of our list though.
brittle orchid
the top of the list should be announcing my source control platform
in the future
ayyy
sleek warren
that's a good point
there are always people with double or triple nicknames
and when you try to message said user, it often goes to wrongly tagged one
I don't know mean some generic usernames that are many on same server, but like clearly unique ones
wraith glade
Yeah, people who don't understand how Discord works tend to just sign up again each time they visit or something
turbid lily
hehe
sleek warren
I think I got double nickname on one server due to the way how discord invites work on browser
I've since only pasted the invites on client directly
that's probably user error but still easy mistake to make if you just go with their instructions
sleek warren
this is still ontopic
brittle orchid
sleek warren
it's what pruning would solve
drowsy oxide
But its not a problem though... Its not affecting people negatively? They will keep doing it even after we prune...
turbid lily
pruning is bad
sleek warren
well, it's mainly affecting the people with multiple nickname tags negatively
drowsy oxide
Since we came to the conclusion that it doesnt impact anything other than the server count, we would rather not essentially "kick" people from the server.
sleek warren
as they don't get the right notifications
turbid lily
That's their fault ain't it
drowsy oxide
So you want us to take a reactive approach to that issue. Because its not feasable to identify every user that has multiple nicks and telling them to stop...
wraith glade
Seems bad that you can only choose up to 30 days
should be able to say prune people who haven't been here for 6 months
sleek warren
I just wanted to discuss it π
turbid lily
How dare you!
sleek warren
for example if you prune people who haven't been on the server for one year, that's hardly an issue
drowsy oxide
Well part of discussion is proposing solutions man,.
We cant
Its only max 30 days
sleek warren
ah, only one month?
drowsy oxide
Yes
sleek warren
yeah, that I understand better
wraith glade
Yes, that was what I was just complaining about a second ago
sleek warren
I thought you could set it further
wraith glade
Also annoyingly gives a count of users it will prune but does not list them
sleek warren
yeah, you can't just kick people being on idle for a month
brittle orchid
i mean, you can
drowsy oxide
~12k ppl will get kicked if i prune for 1 day π
brittle orchid
do it
turbid lily
And for 30 days?
sleek warren
could then make that competing group, guiding all booted users to that
drowsy oxide
Anyway. Point is, prune isnt as great an idea as it might appear.
sleek warren
@turbid lily it was 3k users for month I think
wraith glade
If you see any red buttons, you should always push them first and ask what the result might be later
drowsy oxide
Actually 30 days is ~7k. More than i previously mentioned (which was our earlier prune check from months ago)
sleek warren
ah, that's more in the ballpark I would have thought
brittle orchid
also, hit it
turbid lily
So 30% for 30 days and 54% for 1
drowsy oxide
1 day
Im not against pruning, i was the one that originally suggested it, but we discussed it and decided against it.
wraith glade
I wonder how long it will take before the not-active-in-30-days users outnumber the active ones
drowsy oxide
Lucky for me im not easily manipulated π
sleek warren
only if @glossy gulch were here
turbid lily
I have surprisingly similar proportions π€ (31% & 49%)
drowsy oxide
@wraith glade If that happens id strongly suggest we consider it at that point.
drowsy oxide
Growth doesnt really factor into anything we do though.
brittle orchid
I'd argue nothing factors into anything
drowsy oxide
Such wisdom
sonic hazel
Give the bot the ability to keep track of LastOnlineActivity of users, so that u can have the bot prune people that have been inactive for 6 months over 6 months
glossy gulch
hits prune
remco's idea is not that bad. let bot run for 6 or so months and go /bot prune
ruby schooner
I think some (colourless) self assignable roles for people to show their favorite parts of the engine (or their field of specialization) would be a nice way to know the background of a person you're talking to (or what they like) by simply clicking on them
lost ridge
@ruby schooner is that even possible in Discord?
Could we get people to change their nickname? Like this...
Is it working?
Yea it is.
We would just need a naming convention to help with the MOD's OCD.
rich sky
The anti-self-assignable role mentality is real
Yes, nicknames works. However, if you wanted to change your nickname to represent yourself at a company/or your game. Then the nicks will become super long and unnecessary
Roles can be governed by mods much easier than nicknames
fleet surge
we must have roles for every company you could possibly work at
rich sky
heh
lost ridge
Nothing is controlling their user name length anyway @rich sky I dunno how giving the moderators the responsibility to manage more roles will be better. Plus what happens if you change your interests? Like you're a student who thinks they are into 3D art and then decides they enjoy programming more? Would they have to ask the mods to change their role? Aren't there over 10,000 users in Unreal slackers? I think we should make realistic suggestions here.
But if there was a bot that did it. I demand that their name be "Namingway"! π
fleet surge
you don't ask mods to set your roles, a bot does it, look at the unity server
rich sky
^
I don't understand how this is still not understood
It's a hands-off approach
What I meant by governed is that they can create the colors and naming conventions
And you don't need unity, you could just look at 99% of Discord servers
rich sky
look a tad bit harder
but it could be that you have a bunch in the 1%
I mean, there's probably literally 1 billion servers
ocean siren
The voice mafia have their own unreal server with a self-service role bot that handles things as you'd expect with modpower being respected and they spun that up pretty quickly.
lost ridge
You think they would share their bot @ocean siren ?
ocean siren
Iunno, but Slackers probably wont take it
lost ridge
Generalist 1046 members
Programmer 2358 members
2D Artist 124 members
3D Artist 228 members
Animator 69 members
XR Developer 233 members
Designer 300 members
Student 573 members
VFX Artist 44 members
Audio 67 members
Producer 98 members
Content Creator 95 members
Technical Artist 108 members
What's the difference between Content Creator vs Generalist I wonder?
Too bad the Unity server doesn't describe the roles at all..
What roles does Voice Mafia have? @ocean siren
rich sky
I mean. it takes all of maybe 15 mins
to set up a role bot
grab dyno
mee6 is good as well
ruby schooner
@lost ridge yes it's possible there are many bots that allow self roles
I made a discord bot from scratch which was handling a community of ~15k users and trust me it's really not that hard to even code from scratch
Not sure if mee6 or dyno handle reaction roles I think carl would be optimal in this situation @rich sky
Also if anyone wants me to make a custom bot for this server just DM me and I'll put together something for you 
it'll be in python so you can check the source and I can direct you to how you'd implement it (with a bot user and all)
rich sky
Doesn't matter which bot, but yes, both bots should be able to able it easily
lost ridge
Have you run into security issues yet? must be stressful making a bot for a large server @ruby schooner .
rich sky
If you have a facebook account, I would be more worried about that than bots
ruby schooner
@lost ridge not at all also let's not talk here so that the admins can see this
ruby schooner
Oh sorry I didn't know that 
lost ridge
It's fine this is his server I'm not even a mod.
ruby schooner
It's my mod side taking over me, I would definitely not like seeing a feedback channel get filled with discussions (or gifs) 
ocean siren
YAGPDB.xyz is the bot the voice mafia uses, no idea how difficult it is to use or anything
Also, they're free to jump in if they want, they're here too. I'm not their spokesperson.
brittle orchid
what is voice mafia
ocean siren
the people who strongly prefer voice instead of text that strongly campaign for voice rights in this server
turbid lily
rofl
open radish
Well I'm maybe able to tell you how it works
fleet surge
deft raft
Just saying, we already have a custom bot. Unrealbot should technically go once we setup the Job Board for the AAICharacter.
GiveawayBot is the only external we have. So we don't really need anyone coding us a bot.
If we add any further bot functionality it will most likely be through AAICharacter.
sonic hazel
So, what does it take to change the mod team opinion on a community wished feature that is consistently being rejected?
fleet surge
*feature wished for by maybe 3 people
sonic hazel
Can't really say that though
fleet surge
I don't think I've seen more than 3 people ask for it in here
sonic hazel
what is "it" ?
fleet surge
I assume we're still talking about the roles
gritty lotus
it's like Voice Channels all over again
sonic hazel
Assumption is that every suggestion thats being shared here is by default rejected and there hasn't been much discussion about it other then the same "Im not going to do it" and "no benefit for the community". There have been multiple requests been suggested by multiple people over multiple occasions
gritty lotus
There were a small number of people who constantly requested voice channels - take a look at those voice channels now;
https://giphy.com/gifs/page-front-content-d8lUKXD00IXSw
sonic hazel
Well, yea... Thats what happens when people are being not heard or ignored, denied or rejected, they will leave to other places
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
gritty lotus
they got their voice channels
nobody uses them - whilst I was actively tracking the number of people in them I think it peaked at 7, half of whom were AFK
sonic hazel
Seems like the Slackers member list then..
To be honest, from what I've seen happening here, its that Slackers promoted itself as an open and accesable community, BUT, thats only trough aslong you abide the set framework, anything that outside of it is closed behind the mod wall
Its not a community made thing for the community, its more like a private server
You dont get a vote
gritty lotus
there was a survey
sonic hazel
about the job boards
yes, because its a thorn in the eye of the mods
not of the community
fleet surge
adding every thing that 2 people ask for is not what "for the community" means
sonic hazel
No, its means people get to have a vote and voice
and not hitting a deadend wall
So my suggestion today is: Get people to vote
Are you using telegram @chilly ivy ?
chilly ivy
OK, so what I gathered from this conversation is you want to be able to vote on issues instead of just discussing them. Is that correct?
Trying to look past the rhetoric and discover what the real problem is here.
sonic hazel
Aye, I think if people can vote on frequent suggestions, the feeling of being heard increases much more aswell as being part of the community
The only 'issue' is to choose how the voting is done, i.e. measuring Yes / No or also look at total voters vs full memberlist (including or excluding inactive people or ghost accounts)
fleet surge
just make a post in news, and people vote by reacting with π and π , easy solved
chilly ivy
But that's not news.
fleet surge
but it's the only channel most people would look at
chilly ivy
Most people don't read #unreal-news.
Unless we do an at-everyone ping, which I reserve only for emergencies or major UE4 releases.
turbid lily
Maybe create a temporary feedback channel
sonic hazel
Well yea, but should there be a threshold of vote amount to make it a legit result? Details are important
turbid lily
List a bunch of question, and at everyone on them
chilly ivy
I agree details are important. As far as I'm concerned, no problem is "boom, done, easy, solved"
There are nearly 23k people here. UX is crucial, and implementation needs to be done right.
And yes I realize those are not all active users, but we don't get server analytics. It's safer to assume the largest number when building something with good UX in mind.
sonic hazel
Exactly, so there should be a way to determen if there is enough animo in the community to accept a suggestion by vote
deft raft
So, 51% of all active people have to vote yes for a feature? :P
sonic hazel
The easiest way without any addition member action is also what I suggested earlier, have a bot track active users
51% seems right :P
chilly ivy
Actually, we do have a method for checking how many users have been active in the last 24 hours, 7 days, and 30 days. That would probably factor into votes.
deft raft
Whatever the number is ,51% yes votes to even consider a feature.
I hope you are aware that most votings won't even reach a total of 51%
sonic hazel
30 days seems like a good baseline imho
Thats okay, because we did what we could and its a fair game then
deft raft
I guess?
We will have to limit the votes to users being on the server for a couple of weeks already though
gritty lotus
but my sock puppets
deft raft
There is enough peeps that would find it funny to create new accounts to enter fake votes just to get their silly feature
Like Luke
chilly ivy
That problem can be solved by not guaranteeing a feature is implemented because it received many votes.
turbid lily
Hehe
deft raft
That and limiting the ability to vote to non-new accounts
gritty lotus
creates sock puppets in advance
deft raft
GO AWAY
turbid lily
Does the server requires email verification?
chilly ivy
Yes, but trolls don't care about that.
deft raft
Crusher ahoi
chilly ivy
We're on the second-highest security level. Any higher and it will require a verified phone number as well.
gritty lotus
did Crusher finally give up, or did you find a way to get rid of them?
(slight tangent)
sonic hazel
Well, incase of i.e. 10.000 active users, 51% would be 5100 voters, 2550 would be a absolute minimum, good luck with making so many accounts to rig it? π
deft raft
We didn't do anything anymore. I think they go quiet after all @gritty lotus
turbid lily
Crusher?
deft raft
A ban-evader
sonic hazel
the arch enemy of pfist π
deft raft
@sonic hazel 51% YES votes. Not participation.
You gotta make sure more than 50% of active users want a feature.
That would be the fairest voting.
:P
chilly ivy
Crusher was not my arch enemy. lol
That title was reserved for another ban evader, unless they're the same person. Hah.
deft raft
It's more a meme than a person by now
turbid lily
So you'd at everyone?
deft raft
Anyway, we will look into how we setup that voting system and what the rules will be.
If at all I will add it to @storm shell to have full control over what is happening.
turbid lily
I guess another option would be to have the bot dm everyone?
chilly ivy
No, that's not an option.
turbid lily
And to vote you need to send it back to pfist house
gritty lotus
paper ballot
I like it
but yeah, no unnecessary pings please
pings coming through to my phone at 4am are not appreciated
turbid lily
You fool, you didn't disable notifications?
gritty lotus
people tag me a lot, if I disable it, I won't get those notifications
fleet surge
I just always use do not disturb and check pings later
gritty lotus
yeah, that's global though, which means work pings wouldn't come through to me on another channel
c'est la vie
chilly ivy
@gritty lotus Out of curiosity, why don't you turn on DND when you go to bed?
I get not wanting to miss important pings from other servers for sure. But are you on call or something?
gritty lotus
I can be yeah - automated services can send me a ping on Discord when shit fails
deft raft
I actually thought about making a second account, just for work
But sadly that's not easy to manage
chilly ivy
@gritty lotus Right of course. Makes sense.
gritty lotus
it's less of an issue now, since I'm no longer working on a live service game, but eh
turbid lily
@deft raft Actually it's not that bad
Parallel apps on android + discord canary on desktop
chilly ivy
You need desktop for some features.
deft raft
If it's just for work, that's fine
chilly ivy
I have Canary for my test user account because the web doesn't do stuff like game libraries.
deft raft
Hm. Guess I will just stick with one account for now >.>
Already annoyed at having to use Discord and Slack
turbid lily
hehe
chilly ivy
I feel ya. Slack feels so weird after getting used to Discord.
sonic hazel
Im glad the Slack migration introduced Discord to me, its somewhat like the IRC times from the past on Quakenet π
wraith glade
What does the desktop app do which the web one doesn't? Apart from the overlay, I guess
I just use the web one, feels nicer than the desktop app to me
I don't suppose Discord supports some kind of "silent notification" feature, where it will alert people but the app won't make a noise? Probably not
I think it would be really hard to get 50% of active users to vote
chilly ivy
Off the top of my head: desktop has push-to-talk, game overlay, game library, game activity, native notifications, launch on login (can go straight to system tray too)... there's more but that's what I can remember.
deft raft
Think you can't share screen on the web one
rigid tulip
And game streaming on the desktop one, which is pretty nice if you just want to share with a friend and not all of twitch
chilly ivy
Game streaming? You mean screen share like Cedric mentioned?
turbid lily
Hehe
chilly ivy
Oh! Also Streamer Mode, which is super handy.
deft raft
Screen Sharing and Game Streaming is pretty much the same +- the audio
But yeah
Friend and I sometimes do this when playing often games at the same time
Or just for funs when gaming and general
.> if only I could easily stream my switch screen
rigid tulip
No, like actual game streaming. 1080p, 60 fps streaming to a friend. It's great. π
It even hooks right in, like OBS does. Detects the game window and everything
deft raft
You mean the other one can play it?
chilly ivy
Right, I get it but that's not a separate feature, just a different use case for screen sharing.
rigid tulip
Ah.
deft raft
Yeah, it's just focusing the game itself instead of the screen
Which half the time doesn't work for me
So I always share the screen and make the game borderless mode
chilly ivy
Right. When you screenshare you can pick any open window or the whole desktop.
Very handy.
deft raft
Right, which doesn't work in web and that's a problem for me if using that for the company account
Cause as a remote contractor I often discuss stuff via screensharing with clients
(just to name a reason that splitting private and company account is annoying)
chilly ivy
Yeah for sure. Don't think you'd want to give that up.
fast skiff
Screen Sharing and Game Streaming is pretty much the same +- the audio
not really, Game Streaming hides a lot of stuff from UI, especially if you have dev mode enabled
deft raft
Right, I just know that GameStreaming barely works for me, so I never touch it
chilly ivy
@fast skiff What exactly do you mean? As far as I know, there's no separate game streaming feature in Discord.
You're just using screen sharing for a different purpose.
wraith glade
I found the Discord overlay pretty useless since it doesn't have a web browser, Steam one is better (and it also has streaming built-in)
But that's really going off-topic
fleet surge
game overlays are all useless nowadays, every game supports borderless fullscreen and you can just alt tab in 0.1 seconds
oblique steppe
^ More useful if you have dual monitors, If you are running one, then overlays can prove to be quite useful
wraith glade
Plenty of games sadly don't support borderless fullscreen
chilly ivy
Don't go too far down the rabbit hole guys. π
Or take it to #lounge if you can't resist. π
fast skiff
@chilly ivy i was talking about this:
chilly ivy
Oh, Streamer Mode. I mentioned that earlier, and I don't think that's what VirtualTextureNight was talking about when they said "game streaming" either.
chilly ivy
I assumed they meant using screen share to privately stream a game to one friend.
"...which is pretty nice if you just want to share with a friend and not all of twitch"
fast skiff
right
fallen moon
How do I remove a posting from #looking-for-talent?
deft raft
Ping a mod (:
Via PM/DM if possible
I'm busy atm so if possible ask one of the other mods (:
fallen moon
Ok, thanks
shut tree
Could get a channel for linking tutorials?
Would be nice to see a feed of newly created tutorials
gritty lotus
that's one we've discussed before - it was decided that Discord isn't a great format for linking things like tutorials, because they rapidly get buried as new things are posted
whereas other places like wikis keep the information around, can be effectively searched, and can be indexed by search engines
shut tree
Yeah. But it is still nice to have like the workinprogress
strong tide
π€
fierce forge
Can we have a Beta Test channel where you post your builds and other people here can try them out and give feedback?
rigid tulip
ruby schooner
Can you add the username#disc and maybe even the userid to Unrealbot's message? Everyone says "dm me" but some have broken usernames on phones with unreadable characters and even without that finding the actual DMs is actually pretty hard
sonic hazel
The dm of @open radish ? He has no special characters?
deft raft
I think they mean the Job Board Posts
ocean siren
Ayy it's finally a thing
deft raft
Yeah but it doesn't seem to work for me :O
rich sky
It's funny though
On Mobile it'll say "InvalidUser"
But On Desktop, it'll have this strange number
neither are clickable in any case
deft raft
Yeah but it looks more like a discord problem than a faulty code.
You are usually referencing a user on discord (discord.js here) with the ID.
That ID on its own isn't doing much: 98571503540400128 <- Victor's ID.
Now if you put it like this <@ID> it gets converted into a tag afaik:
@rich sky
And that is basically what we see in the posts, so it should technically work. it's even blueish highlighted
Gonna let Nick know, maybe something to do with how embeds work
turbid lily
@deft raft For hooks I use <@&476562901222817803>
rich sky
If that's the case, then just have the Username Outside the Embed
Just above AND below it as a POC
rich sky
Hm, strange. Seph's worked
chilly ivy
Sorry for the trouble folks. Looking into a fix now.
rich sky
New Channel Request: Project Management under General Category. For the same reasons #source-control #design-chat exists.
On that note. Maybe New Category Request: General Dev to separate "random channels" from "general dev channels" like Design, source-control, packaging and if added Project Management
ocean siren
Discussions
General Dev
(so you can separate them in name a bit)
rich sky
Interestingly enough, for some odd reason, it just doesn't work in Mobile
Not sure if it's working on Desktop right now either though.
chilly ivy
My fix didn't work on desktop, either. Whatever's going on I can't replicate it in testing.
Interesting that it says "invalid user" on mobile, though. On desktop it just shows the user ID.
That might actually help me narrow it down.
ocean siren
Does it have to be fully embedded?
chilly ivy
What do you mean?
ocean siren
it was suggested to do something like.
---- BEGIN IMAGINARY JOB POST ----
@chilly ivy
Discord Moderator (Unpaid)
Controlling the mob of angry devs is risky biz. Do you have what it takes
How to Apply
Idk, just be active enough and ask us or something.
Timestamp @ date or whatever
which does look bad, and definitely pings the person. But it does sound like it is Discord's fault.
chilly ivy
Ah. Yeah the reasons you mentioned are exactly why we don't do that. I'm going to keep looking into the issue, though.
deft raft
I wonder, is there a way to post a user's @ name without actually pinging them?
The same you can post links with < > to not make them preview?
I do see some of the names working now
chilly ivy
Not outside of an embed.
deft raft
Might be the ones you actually pinged?
(in bot test channel)
I know that the old Mod and Message log channels had the same issue
chilly ivy
Those are just me copy/pasting the broken ones to make sure they're actually in our server.
deft raft
Specially on mobile, with users not properly showing up
That is either the same coding bug or discord
chilly ivy
I've been trying to track it down, and I do see a pattern.
deft raft
Funilly enough I don't get issues with grabbing user data in the webinterface
chilly ivy
The users with broken mentions haven't said anything in the server.
So that might be related.
deft raft
Right the caching system
chilly ivy
Well I'm caching the user now though, so it's weird that would be an issue.
deft raft
Let's check something
chilly ivy
Still needs more testing to track down the cause. I do think it's interesting that it says "invalid user" on mobile.
deft raft
So that's the second last user from the job posting
That instantly loaded properly, so I does indeed seem like a bug with Embed/NotPosted/Discord
In some sort of combination
chilly ivy
Right, and I can copy/paste the broken mention in another channel and it works fine.
Whatever the cause, I suspect it's embed-specific.
deft raft
Yeah, seems like it
wraith glade
Is it actually a problem to ping the person, though? Isn't it, in this case, the user who has just published the job posting (or talent posting) that is being pinged?
I'd imagine that they probably want to be pinged to inform them that their post went through and is now in the appropriate job board?
deft raft
Maybe, but it should work the other way too
ocean siren
I'm on mobile and was just able to click a user