Roles
#server-feedback
rich sky
ocean siren
oh god
deft raft
Yeah that's what I wanted
deft raft
And they are only visible in their categories
Just that, if I type @ guru in MULTIPLAYEr, i don't want to see suggestions for all GURU roles
ocean siren
easy enough to just prefix it with the cat name
rich sky
that's why you prefix it
@BP-Guru
not just @guru
I mean, I guess it'll still come up
ocean siren
But just typing @ gives you a list
rich sky
I don't think you can do it by channels
or else GDL would haev done it long ago
yeah
right now
it's just 4 of us here
plus the @mod and @stream tags
ocean siren
Oh I added feedback @rich sky
rich sky
K. Repost of Server Categories/Channel restructure:
It's nice that people are all about this lol
lol. the debate on shoudl plugins be its own thing. I think it should be though. Plugin/Editor dev work
deft raft
Hmmm
rich sky
the "other" was just a catchall, for stuff in the future
or anything that for some reason I forgot
Oh, wait why's that in UI
deft raft
Probably slate plugins, that's why I crossed it
I think plugins is fine in programming for now
if it gets too much ,we can move it into its own category
rich sky
And it might
rich sky
We could technically have it:
Plugins
Editor Modules
ExternalPlugins
deft raft
Twitter
rich sky
I wish I could reject with explanations
Damnit
Guess I'll just not reject and leave it up
ocean siren
Just comment on it
celest zenith
VB of marketing
rich sky
Yeah
ocean siren
And then reject it
nbd
but I usually let it stay for responses
@rich sky since that's probably mine, what do you think about each category having a "general-category" channel?
rich sky
I rejected the job ones
Because job implies money transactions, employment
But I added my reasoning
I mean, technically, I would split it up
even more if we can
#lfm-paid
#lfw-paid
#lfm-non-paid
#lfw-non-paid
ocean siren
what I was saying is that one of those sounds less "transaction-y" to me
rich sky
Really? LFM is just looking for people
deft raft
Well, technically we could
ocean siren
But yeah
rich sky
then it's just even easier for people to get who they want
deft raft
Paid, Unpaid, Royalty
deft raft
We can still rework them if the bot is out
Or he adjusts it
idc
I can pullrequest the changes
rich sky
haha
ocean siren
wait you can accept PRs?
Or is creating a PR somehow limited?
Also didn't even notice the bot was public
sleek warren
I'd be cautious about that #beginners
like, for that to work, it would require some experienced users to hang out there, and if it's always the noob talk that might not really interest the experienced users
now since that talk is usually along with other channels, even new people get the help
deft raft
I don't really like that either. People should go to the correct subchannels and that's it
No matter if professional or beginner
sleek warren
yeah
also, I don't like the unreal prefix, it should be self explanotary that these are ue things on ue discord
visual scripting should be blueprints
deft raft
You know, you can add that
:D just type in the document
Same amount of work as typing it here
sleek warren
skookumscript c#, python, other could just be #scripting or #other-scripting
well I don't want to wipe out others work π
ocean siren
it won't
sleek warren
for scripting, I don't really think there's enough talk to warrant individual channels for those special cases
if there is, those channels could be added
deft raft
Victor's point was, that having the channel might bring people up to it
ocean siren
visual scripting should be blueprints Blueprint Visual Scripting maybe
sleek warren
yeah, that's true but lets face it, there's only handful of people using those scripting languages with UE4 to begin with
ocean siren
Agree on dropping Unreal prefix on these cats
sleek warren
also not sure about postprocessing
cinematics could be sequencer so it would be more familiar to ue4 users
but I get the generic name too
btw, can we actually have similar named channels on different categories?
like that #tutorials
or does it need to be an unique name
you'd think the tagging from other groups would break if you could have multiple
deft raft
similar works now
sleek warren
lol'd at that windows phone
ocean siren
I think if you're trying to #mention the channel and there's duplicates you can pick
sleek warren
that's a dead platform
ocean siren
Not entirely sure.
sleek warren
and UE4 doesn't even support it
sleek warren
it's not the same
sleek warren
uwp is the win10 and xbox thing
you can't even build UE4 for UWP by default
you need custom fork for that
rich sky
I mean, do we need a windows7, windows8, windows10 channel?
sleek warren
I was thinking just windows
sleek warren
I don't really know what people would discuss on those channels tho
linux is kinda self-explanotary
I guess people who need help on windows just take it in general etc channels
like VS installations and such
rich sky
Yeah, don't talk in here
type in the doc lol
just change it however you want, and we can discuss that on there
sleek warren
pffft
rich sky
That's the point of making a Google Doc π
sleek warren
but then I'd need to sign in to google
instead of just throwing random things here
I'd also put the jams into misc
rich sky
I did enough free work today Β―_(γ)_/Β―
I'm not going to do it, already onto something else π
But ya, you have some good ideas. So document it properly
sleek warren
I mean, it's kinda odd that game jams are in General but Physics, Media-framework and Gameplay-abilities-plugin is in Misc
sleek warren
nah, I'll just shut up π
rich sky
**Server Channel/Category Restructure Proposal: ** https://docs.google.com/document/d/1igRL77v_S0ePkwOhQwjRvGLdltOqNSA7SNuvM2mK9fo/edit?usp=sharing
Please comment if you're interested! Throw up any ideas, additions, renames, deletes, whatever!!!! Comments are good too!
ocean siren
Well I just suggested another jams channel so that my category name suggestion makes sense
chilly ivy
Wow. Quite a discussion about channel categories! I'll be sure to look through all the suggestions.
chilly ivy
The bot doesn't work in this channel. People were abusing it.
rich sky
Ah, I got what I needed anyway
celest zenith
think if the bot said "stop abusing me!"
open radish
civic raven
I would add a streamer online bot so I can see streams and people can view is who is streaming live at a given moment. The game dev league server has this feature it is pretty cool.
I am assuming it is a bot I have no idea how they are doing it
rich sky
Hmm, well, I'd like to at least get Categories and all the new channels in order first before they try a new bot π
But yeah, that could be cool. Wouldn't need the streaming channel anymore.
celest zenith
@rich sky then it could be selfpromoting channel
rich sky
https://twitter.com/victorburgosG3/status/912786771380973568 for them non-loungers
Twitter
chilly ivy
@rich sky That's not really relevant here since we can't control it.
Worth noting that Discord is working on a report button feature. No ETA, though.
chilly ivy
Right, but that's for Discord, not Unreal Slackers.
This channel is for feedback on our server specifically.
rich sky
k
slender blade
So yeag
A tag system for #career-chat so people can filter through stuff easily by searching tags like LFW PAID Blueprint
Or a command which PMs people a list of postings with said tags
deft raft
I can code that pretty quick, but I don't want to add another bot in addition to nick's
So I need to wait for his solution or PR requests on his bot
slender blade
Can always code it and send it to him to merge
deft raft
True, but I need his code base first.
deft raft
I asked him if I can do that. Didn't really get an answer. He reenabled the pinning in jobs
guess that was the answer
slender blade
x3
rich sky
No lie, still surprised we don't have categories or new channels yet Post Categories launch.
Especially after I put in that effort with the proposal π
silk tulip
honestly I don't think a bot solves the issue
deft raft
@rich sky Trust me, we (mods) are pushing for it
I want them too
That's why I asked you
@silk tulip Care to explain? Cause I think it would add a lot more structure to the job posts
silk tulip
I feel like #career-chat would then turn into a majority posts being the bot searches and etc.
celest zenith
@deft raft even nick pushed the channel change long before categories launch for prepare for but still there isnt
silk tulip
It doesn't actually clean up things I don't want to read about. It just makes it slightly eassier to sort through which was never the issue in the first place.
Like the pinned jobs are good enough for sorting
but I feel like personally I've been hard to convince the studios I work for to post openings in #career-chat
deft raft
Bots are usually written to remove the request
So if you write !job info
It posts you and removes your message
So the channel remains empty in terms of requests
deft raft
It would pop up for a second. Server removes it and send you a Private message
That's how my bots are setup
silk tulip
That seems better than pinning imo
then the only thing in #career-chat is like a pinned post about how to interact with the bot?
and people post jobs and pull jobs?
celest zenith
catz: Rules,Announcements arts,design graphics platforms programming chat, lounge jobs, game-jams market
rich sky
We just need multiple job channels. and one dedicated for job discussions/questions
Basically, don't allow anyone to discuss shit in those respective channels, just post appropriately. If they don't, the bot will delete it
Any comments/concerns about a specific job can be taking through DMs or the discussion channel
silk tulip
The other question is what do you want #career-chat to be... e.g. there are a lot of UE4 studios with job postings. Would it be ideal to serve all job postings or only specifically people directly in Unreal Slackers?
Like if Splash Damage has UE4 developer needs do you guys care if its in #career-chat if no one here is from slash damage
deft raft
We do need one single job channel
The bot manages tags
And puts the things into a database
Only post in there will be instruction
That's how I would do it
deft raft
!addjob <title> <description> <list of tags divided by commas>
silk tulip
description is going to need to be multi-lined right?
deft raft
!job - lists all private
!job <list of tags> - more defined search
That sohuld do it
I guess we can add multiline support with some hand made format
such as \n
silk tulip
well I think the idea would be to keep the current standardized format for jobs
deft raft
Idk what Nick's bot is going to do
But that's how i would do it
My bot answer like this
I think that works perfectly to post private messages
With information about jobs
And then maybe a second job channel for discussions
so people can talk about what ever they want regarding jobs
silk tulip
I'm on board I like it btw
silk tulip
For jobs it would be nice if the guidelines for posting were also in the pinned section
chilly ivy
@silk tulip We already tried that in the past. It doesn't work because we have to keep re-pinning it for it to stay visible.
silk tulip
you can perm pin stuff?
chilly ivy
A different solution for #career-chat is in the works that will take care of it.
chilly ivy
No. It's always been me or a moderator.
chilly ivy
lol
silk tulip
will be nice to cut the spam
ocean siren
Anyway, no reason to introduce a feature if you're working out something anyway
silk tulip
is there a way the bot will alert people to new jobs?
chilly ivy
Nothing like that planned yet.
silk tulip
hmm well maybe just keep the job posting message if its valid instead of deleting it?
that way people can mark the channel as read and when its white you know theres new stuff there
chilly ivy
With the new system, there will be three channels: job-chat, looking-for-work and looking-for-talent. The latter two will be read-only feeds of job posts.
You will make posts by DMing the bot a special command and answering questions.
The bot will automatically format it and post it to the appropriate channel.
silk tulip
π that sounds awesome
chilly ivy
It should be much, much easier to parse than the pinned messages.
Formatting will be more consistent, and there will be color coding too for easy scanning.
silk tulip
ooh
like colors by job type
could categorize by department Engineering, Art, Production, Design and Business.
is the bot open source?
chilly ivy
Yes. I haven't written contributing guidelines yet, but you can at least view the repo.
The repo is not prettied up at all yet. No license, no code of conduct, no contrib guidelines, etc. Been focusing on the bot itself for now.
So... not really ready for public consumption, but feel free to poke around. π
uneven jay
@chilly ivy Is it up to date?
chilly ivy
@uneven jay What do you mean?
uneven jay
@chilly ivy the bot repo
chilly ivy
Up to date?
The repo has the latest code. It's automatically deployed to Heroku when I push commits.
uneven jay
Ah k
rich sky
Day 13 of Channel Categories...and nothing still?
Servers 7x the size of ours had theirs up and running within 24 hours.
#MakeUnrealSlackersGreatAgain
deft raft
I don't really like Trump and his slogan :P
celest zenith
me neighter
rich sky
Didn't know Trump had a slogan that asked for Unreal Slacker to be great again though 
Of course, there would be no need for any slogans if things just got done as they should
gritty lotus
can probably get rid of the Game Design channel whilst we're there
it only seems to cause confusion anyway, for reasons that themselves confuse me
sleek warren
only some americans like the slogan
clear quest
Still think the server welcome message should be changed & moved to #introductions
Doesn't belong in general
wise lava
^
some categories would also be nice. Some categories already exist ( #more-resources ), so I don't think that'll be too hard to implement
** > Info**
#more-resources
#unreal-news
#introductions
** > General**
(everything under the general section in #more-resources)
** > Support**
(everything under the UE4 Support section in #more-resources)
that's what I would reccomend
yo @twilit widget can you please consider the feedback given above from these awesome people?
deft raft
We are working out categories. We already have a pretty big file done by Victor and some of you, which we are using to find a good solution for the categories.
The Welcome message in general is bound to the bot.
The "old" bot is not really used anymore, as Nick is working on the new one.
I'll ask him if he can manage to turn that off for now.
sleek warren
I kinda like the less cluttered way we have now
looking at other groups, categories haven't really made it any better
I do love getting rid of the voice channels now
rich sky
Just what I like to see when I glance at #ue4-general to see if anyone needs help...
Poor pause guy
chilly ivy
I'm deactivating it today.
It was meant as a temporary solution to help direct new members into #ue4-general. Unfortunately, as you can see, it comes across as spam when lots of people join and no one else is talking.
rich sky
Aye π
tawny plover
But seriously, what is the hot key for pause
Maybe putting the bot in #introductions and say βwelcome (user)! Check out our many channels! You can always slack in #ue4-general chat! π€π»β
celest zenith
@chilly ivy when those catz get worked around the channel for new members specific one could be something then
vivid musk
What about a channel about general implementation questions?
Something like "I have XYZ, my idea was to do it the ABC way, what do you suggest?"
gritty lotus
I was under the impression that was what General was for, hehe
deft raft
Yop, General is for that :P
rich sky
@chilly ivy you should update the rules, or make it clear when to use <@&213101288538374145> then
or any other @mentions
chilly ivy
That's a good idea. Thanks for the suggestion.
Done. The rules have been updated to better clarify this.
chilly ivy
It happened automatically because I edited the message.
The roles have to be mentionable for that to work.
chilly ivy
It does look nice, but it's not worth pinging everyone and causing confusion.
rich sky
Hmm, while this might take a little work
You could move everyone to a temp role
then do it
then bring them back
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
chilly ivy
I'm going to leave it for now.
rich sky
Hmmm
So, I've noticed this before, and I guess I didn't really care, but now it's just becoming more of a bother especially so because @mentions don't work when they are "offline" even if they are inside the channel
Is there any possibility of prohibiting special/strange characters in names?
sleek warren
I dont think it is related to chars in name
It is a discord bug, you should report that to discord staff
I've tried to complain about that few times but they claim others dont have these issues..
@rich sky
rich sky
The offline bug I know about
it's the random non-roman letters
I can't simply type out names to beat that bug
sleek warren
I have that issue with regular usernames
it's not isolated to some special chars in the name
gritty lotus
some people may have also disabled mentions for themselves
sleek warren
it should still tag them properly regardless
issue is that tagging itself is broken
drowsy oxide
Thoughts on adding in an #SourceControl channel? Definately plenty of people asking for help on this topic every now and again.
rich sky
Well
I have a lot of channels I've suggested
And not a change since Categories were introduced soooooooo... /shrug
But that was one of them
drowsy oxide
Isnt Nick still working on channel changes?
rich sky
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
drowsy oxide
Or is this it so far?
ocean siren
i'd think the biggest thing he's doing is the job bot
rich sky
Maybe I was banned from all the new channels π
ocean siren
but its kinda basic
rich sky
I think the job bot broke again?
drowsy oxide
No i meant wasnt there meant to be another reorganisation of the channels
rich sky
Unless people are just no adhering to the format and mods pinning
ocean siren
Dunno
rich sky
Anyway
drowsy oxide
Pretty sure i see mods pin more often than the bot lol
ocean siren
Broke.... was updated to the test feature.... same thing
rich sky
I suggested a channel modification a few weeks ago
they said they were working on it
so dunno
drowsy oxide
Soon (TM)
drowsy oxide
Meh
rich sky
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
drowsy oxide
The job bot is nice, as long as people follow the syntax
Which seems to be the hard part to solve
ocean siren
idk you'd think it'd be simple but then nobody reads anything
drowsy oxide
Yeah
strong tide
Curious, could we have a UE4 Linux chanel? o:
drowsy oxide
If you have an Linux channel then you would need an Mac and Windows channel?
Why would Linux have its own channel?
strong tide
Shitdows hardly needs it's own channel
Mac, shrug. Linux, mainly because, y'know, it's not a simple one two three done?
Or if not catering to all three rocks your boat that much an "OS specific" category with all three.
drowsy oxide
All the current channels are platform independant, i dont see why adding an specific channel for an specific OS would help.
strong tide
and out of all the current channels, where would one ask for help in building the engine?
drowsy oxide
Programming
strong tide
lesigh
chilly ivy
We're considering adding platform-specific channels since they might be a good place to discuss platform-specific issues with cooking, packaging or building from source.
There probably won't be any console channels since that stuff is typically under NDA.
strong tide
I know I'd personally appreciate the channels~ Since there's no Linux binaries or launcher it can be a bit daunting for newcomers; and I'm sure platform specific bugs may pop up here & there too. thanks for the heads up though pfist~
chilly ivy
We actually had Windows, Mac and Linux channels in the early days, but they barely got any use. Now that our community is much larger, there's a better chance they'll get used regularly.
strong tide
yeah, I can believe that~ d:
plus with categories now being a thing they wont take up that much space either.
chilly ivy
Indeed. Categories definitely make adding new channels a lot more viable since they can be organized neatly.
strong tide
quite. d: though personally I findit a bit difficult to think up categories for the current channels. xD
chilly ivy
There's a lot of ideas from myself, my staff and several folks in the community that are going into the categories. π
strong tide
cool beans. :3 lookin' forward to seeing that!
chilly ivy
^_^
drowsy oxide
Whats the ETA on that @chilly ivy ?
drowsy oxide
Just make it huge
chilly ivy
That's as big as emoji get. I didn't make it, though; it comes from another server I'm on.
daring raven
Wait you guys dont have channel dividers?
chilly ivy
If you mean categories, no not yet.
daring raven
Yeah that
chilly ivy
Working on it.
strong tide
wow, that gif was broken. o_o
chilly ivy
It's a lot of work to get it right, but I think it's worthwhile. Categories will probably be the most significant change ever made to this community (aside from switching to Discord, of course).
ocean siren
There's already two different "kinds" of channels on this server according to #more-resources, and there was already another thing which described another breakdown of channels. @chilly ivy tends to leave things as-is until the replacement is ready (except for when Unrealbot wasn't doing pins which has been re-added).
strong tide
there's no real way of holding off channel categories though; you'll be able to watch it all happening
ocean siren
I'm sure a lot of thought is going into the categories though, wouldn't be surprised to see new channels even
chilly ivy
There will definitely be new channels.
I have a staging server where I try things out before shipping them here.
Hm... not important at all, but it would be neat if I could add the categories programatically via the bot so it all changed instantly. π€
strong tide
So far I can personally see:
Announcements/General
- Welcome; Announcements; introduction; General
Programming
- Programming; Blueprint; Multiplayer; Physics; AI
Graphics
- Graphics; animation; paper-2d; ui;
Design
- game design; level design; audio; vr
Community
- Streaming; WIPS; Lounge; feedback; game jams; jobs
you could. o: although it's suspect to royally fuck up. D:
chilly ivy
Some of the current channels will be removed, and others will likely be broken into multiple channels.
It's going to be pretty dramatic, but I think it will improve the UX of this server significantly.
Especially for new members.
strong tide
aye, it's a bit of a shocker first coming on to it. there was agame server I left recently because they had such a messy channel list and didn't bother to update it
still, will be looking forward to it. π not touched UE4 or game dev since Uni finished earlier this year. So aught to be getting into that soon; and personally planning on making a linux launcher π
chilly ivy
Nice! That sounds like a great community project. You gonna open source it on GitHub and accept PRs?
strong tide
I hope too~ :3 not sure what ya mean by PRs though. ><"
chilly ivy
Pull Requests. In other words: people submit their own changes/updates, then you can review and merge them.
strong tide
aah, most likely yeah.
I only jumped to Linux recently, but I love learning new stuff. :p and I'm sure people from other Distro's aught to be able to push distro specific shenanigans.
chilly ivy
Totally. π
strong tide
Hopefully you'll see me naggin' in here for people to test something soon. xP
chilly ivy
π
strong tide
psst, don't forget to add lighting channels to the list of channels. x3
cinder umbra
and particles/cascade (unless I'm blind or being stupid)
strong tide
Nope~ you're not~! would probably come under graphics currently.
sleek warren
@strong tide most of the physics work people do here is not programming, more like doing the right setup
also could say the same for AI for some parts
strong tide
Probably, but for the purpose of putting it under a category I'd say programming fits it fine. Overdoing it with technicalities would probably just lead to no categories similar to how it is now; just a mess of channels
Plus that was merely my input towards the lists; the admin already said he already had several other inputs. π
slow belfry
I dislike this servers icon. its not very Discord or Unreal-like. What was wrong with using the Unreal icon that is provided with any projects starter content?
rich sky
lol
I mean, other than this is Unofficial ?
You can't use it without permission, and even then, they wouldn't allow it. Because of the above.
Nothing wrong with the icon, I lol'd because that's an interesting thing to be picky about. The least of the server's issue.
Also, pretty sure it's a remnant of our Slack days, I can't think that far back.
@slow belfry do you like this one better? https://gyazo.com/cfbe5cc8a41844a6500cf239a5431166
chilly ivy
@slow belfry The Unreal logo was incorporated during the early days, but I chose to make a more unique brand to further clarify that we're unofficial and not affiliated with Epic Games.
Plus it allows me to give the brand more personality. Using the Unreal logo means adhering to Epic's strict branding guidelines.
slow belfry
I do like the later one better. Big fan of unreal and their "U" icon is so polished and.. well.. epic lol so id hope those qualities carry over to the icon used here
rich sky
@slow belfry So are you saying that this server is not polished or just the logo?
And the latter one is already being used by another server
So would you just like to see the Unreal "U" in the bubble?
deft raft
I would rather stay with the current logo
slow belfry
Just the the icon, compared with the name of the server, gave me the impression that this group just jumped from slacks messaging app.
chilly ivy
That's correct. We started on Slack in May 2015.
Moved to Discord September 2016, a little over a year ago.
slow belfry
But slack doesnt have anything to do with unreal or discord so, slack related themes should be reconsidered, in my opinion coming from a design background lol
Unreal is 3d, discord is purple. Your icon is very 2d and red/orange slack colorex. Sorry if i sound harsh. Cant keep my mouth shut when it comes to intuitive design.
chilly ivy
No worries. I appreciate the feedback. π
slow belfry
Np.
rich sky
@DarcZaFire (βobie)#5314 Why not design the new logo then?
Show off those design skills and see if you can convince @chilly ivy to change
hmm, discord...
he's online
@DarcZaFire (βobie)#5314 test
@slow belfry
I swear
slow belfry
haha sorry was changing my name. I'd encourage anyone who would usually make the changes to do it. Don't wait for me lol but If I get time, I will do it.
slow belfry
cleaned up π gonna do homework now.
@rich sky @chilly ivy
@elfin scarab @deft raft
deft raft
I still prefer the current one :P Sorry
We can hold a little art contest and see if some good ideas come around. But for now we work on other issues first
rich sky
Like Channel Categories and new channels
slow belfry
ocean siren
Realistically I think you're much better off taking several steps back off official iconography
or w/e
rich sky
I was about to ask about the fascination with the controller in the background
Then I remembered Discord's own icon
ocean siren
This is basically slapping the two logos together because this is an unreal community on discord
I suppose you could pull it off
I mean that's what was done for that ue4 streaming discord server
slow belfry
right.. because the one that is currently being used was made for slack.
rich sky
Nah
ocean siren
nah
slow belfry
the current one was made to fit the style of slack
rich sky
Slack has #
ocean siren
In what aspect?
rich sky
I don't care about the icon, I care about Categories and new Channels
slow belfry
simplistic 2d offshades
rich sky
3+ weeks and counting
ocean siren
I fail to see how your logo better suits discord
slow belfry
Im just addressing the first impression I had when clicking the link. 100% thought I was joining a slack channel based off the icon and the server being called "slackers".
slow belfry
there are a few areas of improvement. all can be addressed in less than an hour lol
rich sky
My categories and channels can be done in 5 mins
Yet here we are 3 weeks later
So good luck with that
slow belfry
yea. and my icon and name change could be done in the same time. yea... seems like the list of channels has expanded quite a bit in that time though?
rich sky
?
Nah, Icon for sure would be a huge undertaking
Nothing you've shown so far is like...omg that's sooo awesome
Let's do a change
slow belfry
compared to what is being used?
rich sky
Aye
Not saying it couldn't use some updating.
I am just saying that would take a lot of time and effort to get right
People hate change
Also
And if you've noticed
slow belfry
the square U and the weird burnt orange communicates discord for unreal better than what I made?
rich sky
Like I said already
We are 3 weeks into Channel Categories
and not one category has been done in that time
If I see Channel Categories this week, I'll cry
Every other major server had them out in 24-48 hours
With 2-15x this population
slow belfry
right. not sure what the hold up is. do they need someone to draft up the categories for them?
rich sky
So no, don't care that damn icon, it's fine as is.
ocean siren
Its not really that the current logo communicates the concept better than your idea. The current logo is simple and readable, and makes sense if you think of it outside the scope of the platform its on.
slow belfry
maybe theyre just unsure about how that will look
ocean siren
Your logo OTOH
ocean siren
If you managed to pull off your logo concept it might communicate it better
slow belfry
jeez really? someone made it for them.. and still no fruit
ocean siren
As it stands it'd be a downgrade to the server branding
rich sky
elfin scarab
I like the current logo, wouldnt change it
deft raft
I could explain you the hold-up. But then again, not.
As you may have noticed, we took action to recruit more moderators. More on that soon.
In addition, before the new bot releases, we will rework the categories.
This is also being worked on, however things aren't instantly discussed as some of us aren't always available.
Nick is quite busy during the week, so we have to discuss things whenever he's up.
I can assure you that the Categories will come.
Not as many as Victor proposed, but enough to add new channels that are request.
Obviously not all 100+ channels will make it. And some of the channels that do make it will go again if they aren't used.
rich sky
@chilly ivy You don't plan on ever changing the link to this discord right?
ocean siren
Perhaps set up your own link that you can redirect later?
chilly ivy
@rich sky It is subject to change in the future.
clear quest
Ive added a couple comments
rich sky
If we get even 50% of that list, this server will thrive is sex appeal
strong tide
@rich sky "not one category has been done in that time"
YE BE WRONG! ..... Voice channels are in their own category. π
deft raft
^
magic turtle
Take 12 months of I+D move channels to categories
The admin need more investment from the government to make a plan for it and then the lawyers have to approve it
deft raft
That's how it goes. More or less 
slow belfry
I think there should be a lighting channel since unreal is known for its rendering capabilities.
deft raft
Don't worry. We are working on the channels atm. I will probably implement them next weekend when I'm back from vacation. We are currently gathering input from all mods. I already converted Victors list into ours.
Lighting is one of the new channels
rich sky
I had this dream
I woke up today to find we had Categories and New Channels
Can't remember exactly what the dream was about, but that part I remember.
vast tusk
The plan is for this Saturday/Sunday.
rich sky
Obviously I don't have any precognitive abilities.
Since we still don't have them
Nice
vast tusk
Yeah we are all excited π
silk tulip
How is the #linux channel coming along?
scrolls up
I'll come back in a couple of months about it
strong tide
personally looking forward to that channel in particular. d:
Also, would be nice if someone could pin a message in Programming about using /```cpp to put syntax highlighting in the code blocks~ :3 I'm sure people are tired of seeing me repeat that. xD
This:
int main(){
struct tm *tmp;
time_t s;
for(;;){
s = time(NULL);
tmp = localtime(&t);
printf("%d:%0d:%d\n",tmp->tm_hour,tmp->tm_min,tmp->tm_sec);
Sleep(1000);
system ("cls");
}
return 0;
}
Versus:
int main(){
struct tm *tmp;
time_t s;
for(;;){
s = time(NULL);
tmp = localtime(&t);
printf("%d:%0d:%d\n",tmp->tm_hour,tmp->tm_min,tmp->tm_sec);
Sleep(1000);
system ("cls");
}
return 0;
}
yeah we know what code coloring is ;P
But yeah we are discussing a better way to organize faq/pinned items
strong tide
I figured. :p but who couldn't resist an example of ugly vs pretty. xD
and cool beans~ :3
rare hamlet
It is a bit strange though that @chilly ivy is the only admin, but at least there's a <@&213101288538374145> crew. So, does @chilly ivy make all the decisions? Do we ping him for server issues? Lastly, why are there only "white" admin/mods? Only one female mod?
Not trying to make it out more than it is. But it's just curious is all. It deserves some recognition.
drowsy oxide
You should not ping Nick, that is why there is Moderators.
We choose Moderators based on experience and merit
vast tusk
"White"? as in our race?
chilly ivy
The moderators give their input on just about every decision I make.
rare hamlet
Aye, race. Caucasian.
Just something I noticed is all.
I can't imagine there weren't any minority applicants that did not qualify.
chilly ivy
And for the record, we just recruited 3 moderators without knowing anything about their race, ethnicity, gender or appearance.
drowsy oxide
Does it really matter?
rare hamlet
It does. A bit.
That's a lie isn't it though?
You knew who these individuals were because they had to apply with their names.
Or else you wouldn't have been able to promote them.
chilly ivy
Usernames are not indicative of any of those characteristics.
drowsy oxide
Race and gender are not indicative of an persons ability to moderate.
rare hamlet
So, are you going to truly say, you did not know any of these individuals before selecting them?
I agree @drowsy oxide . Definitely agree. Just suspicious.
drowsy oxide
...
rare hamlet
Well, not that it matters, no one is going to admit that there were hidden agendas.
@drowsy oxide You said "not indicative of a person's ability to moderate" , so does that mean every moderator has been a moderator before? Had actual moderation experience?
(In whatever capacity)
drowsy oxide
Did you apply to be an Moderator?
rare hamlet
I did not submit my application, but I did go through it. I have not been in the community long enough and only limited moderation experience (forums)
But that really doesn't matter.
chilly ivy
So what does matter, exactly?
rare hamlet
I am not advocating for myself.
drowsy oxide
If you did you would have noticed that alot of the questions centered around moderation. Is that an coincidence?
rare hamlet
Basically, it is said that the "choices" were made by experience level of moderation. But, I have a feeling it wasn't. Just one of those gut things. Like I said, no one is going to admit prejudice in candidate selection.
Anyway, hope to see some more diversity on the team in the future! Sorry to have made a big deal about it.
drowsy oxide
If you have an problem with an Moderator please bring it up in private with that person or another Moderator so that we can work the issue out.
vast tusk
If you haven't been in the community long enough how have you formed these feelings about the candidates that were selected?
rare hamlet
"Long enough" is subjective I suppose. Only a year or so.
@drowsy oxide Isn't this the right channel to talk about Server Feedback?
chilly ivy
@rare hamlet Thanks for the feedback, but please don't come in here and accuse my staff of having a hidden agenda without any evidence or basis in fact. You're causing unnecessary conflict where there was none.
rare hamlet
Well, your current staff is new.
(Online ones anyway)
As for conflict. You are correct. I should have chosen my words more carefully. But the facts remain.
Thanks for taking the time out of your day/night!
chilly ivy
You have given us zero facts. I won't repeat myself.
rare hamlet
Repeat yourself about what exactly ?
chilly ivy
Right. Consider this a warning for intentionally disruptive behavior. If you do this again, you will be banned.
rare hamlet
?
I know you're the "Master Slacker" and all. But, you seem very hostile.
Did I touch a nerve with my "accusations" ?
drowsy oxide
Your accusing us of Racism and Sexism how is that not hostile to begin with?
rare hamlet
Seems to validate my gut feeling.
Well, this channel is supposed to be about improving the server, right?
I had valid concerns.
And spoke up.
In return, I get push-back and "warnings"
drowsy oxide
I explained to you that your "concerns" were baseless because the application had nothing to do with Race or Sex, if you read the application you would notice it has everything to with Moderating
rare hamlet
Like I said, I understand that the inner workings of things are not always black or white.
It just so happened to be in this case.
So, may I ask @drowsy oxide , where did you do moderation duties before?
drowsy oxide
My experience in Moderating was explained in my application, ive been an moderator and community leader for an very long time over very many different types of communities. Infact the answers that i gave directly lead to my application being accepted. The only reason i can fathom that you would assume there is some sort of conspiracy here that Mods were accepted because of their race and/or gender (or some other absurd reason) is that you are trying to cause trouble . Mods were accepted on their experience and answers to the questions on the application. There is nothing further going on here.
rare hamlet
That did not answer my question. But that's okay. I understand. I will leave it alone.
But no, there was no motivation for bringing this up other than equality, diversity and fairness. Thanks again for your time! It's much appreciated.
drowsy oxide
How do you propose we fix that then, you seem adament about bringing up issues yet you propose no solutions.
rare hamlet
The solution? That is pretty easy. There must have been at least one female and/or minority in those applications that warranted consideration. Yet three white males were chosen. I do not know the total amount of applications and their diversity.
Then there's the case of it not even have been an issue with gender/race, but more so with just selecting candidates that are liked vs disliked or unknown. So "merits" could have been more like popularity-based instead.
Either way, I cannot believe there were no female or minorities that met or exceeded the same qualifications as the current new set of moderators. (Not that I am saying you do not deserve your positions!)
drowsy oxide
To start with, you didnt even propose an solution, you just started with your argument again... Your argument is that because no non white/females were chosen the entire Moderating staff is racist and sexist. Seriously mate, we cant make people apply and we have no control (infact we have no idea or knowledge because no question about it was raised) their race or gender.
Applications were decided on based on Merit nothing else.
rare hamlet
I am sure you would like to think that.
And there's nothing wrong with thinking that.
drowsy oxide
If you dont have an ACTUAL solution to contribute to your baseless concern, please dont continue. If you have an issue with an member of the staff, talk it over with them or approach another Moderator.
rich sky
Okay, I think it's safe now. I want to bring up a very important issue.
Cold-PMing
Just say no!
chilly ivy
Cold PMing?
rich sky
Yeah, you know what Cold Calls are right?
chilly ivy
Yes.
rich sky
Cold Calling
Yeah, so exactly that, but PM
I get a lot of random PMs out of no where.
chilly ivy
From members of this server?
rich sky
About any random stuff.
Yes
50%+ are asking for personal help on some issue that they didn't even bother asking for in public channel first.
chilly ivy
That's a user setting, not a server setting.
rich sky
OR, they don't get help in a timely manner and they PM
chilly ivy
You can disable DMs from server members in the server menu.
rich sky
Yeah, but I don't want that
I mean, I do have some people I like and want them to still PM me
π
Unless you mean it's selective.
chilly ivy
They can still PM you if you're friends.
rich sky
Hmmm, that means I'll have to add everyone I like.
That isn't already added.
Too much.
You can't just make a simple rule?
Ask permission before PMing people?
I've seen it done before on here.
Some people have some etiquette
chilly ivy
We could discourage it, but we can't do anything about DMs.
rich sky
Well, I know you can't do anything personally. But yeah, just a simple rule stating, "Hey, don't just DM/PM people out of nowhere!"
Make sure you ask any questions you need in a public channel first.
vast tusk
I've been getting some of that lately too and I always tell them to ask in the channel instead. But yeah it might need to be added to the code of conduct.
light shadow
I've been getting that for years. If I have the time I'll help, otherwise I'll treat it like any other cold call
gritty lotus
"Cold PMing" is indeed annoying - I get messages at stupid times of day sometimes (often 3am-6am), and most of the time that person hasn't posted in the channels, which is annoying
not sure how you'd solve that though
I don't want to block PMs, because obviously I also get a lot of legit ones too
deft raft
I tell them once or twice to move the question to a channel as I'm not giving personal support. But as it's not a server issue but a discord thing, we can't really stop that
Feel free to report that with proof though if the person doesn't listen
stoic goblet
glossy gulch
did someone just assume my gender and race?
https://cdn.totalfratmove.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/c303770037f1c51d9f615c3f9cba5fce.png
hehe
rich sky
Exactly (to everyone but @glossy gulch ...lol)
The thing is, I don't minding helping anyone at all. That's not the issue or I wouldn't be here at all really.
It's just the fact that I guess there's this sense of entitlement that needs to be addressed.
It does on other servers.
strong tide
In regards to the PM thing; there's currently this you could vote for:
https://feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-land/suggestions/31200028-add-a-server-setting-to-disallow-private-messages
rich sky
Privacy rights...
lol
I guess how privacy rights are involved in this is over my head.
drowsy oxide
I dont know why people are talking about rights, you have "permission" to DM anyone, its not an right. Important difference.
rich sky
Aye
woeful holly
Don't get me started on "Cold-DM"ing π I guess I personally do the same as Jan, but yeah, I agree, something like a "rule"/whatever could be pretty useful. Even if it won't do much, it may atleast serve as a guideline I'd suppose?
(currently not as bad as it used to be, but I was quite literally a personal helper/mentor for a good 5 or so people a while back π )
deft raft
Alright. I will look into it once home next week.
strong tide
Pffht, it started because one person commented this on the site:
This is a terrible idea and invades privacy rights.
-> insert eyeroll here
narrow jungle
Cold DM-ing ? ... what's next, people want protection against being cold-talked on the street ?
gritty lotus
it makes sense to have as a feature - but it doesn't really solve the problem for people who want / need to be accessible, hehe
for the most part, I think I just have to suck it up and deal with it
narrow jungle
i dunno who's being entitled here, the person who DMs another person with something that should be discussed private.. or the person who expects written requests for permission to be approached first... in a public chat server for like minded peers...
also the fact that you might not be online while someone wants to contact you
gritty lotus
I'm perfectly happy for people to send me private messages (as are the people who brought this up) - it's when you recieve messages almost daily asking you for help about really basic things that could be answered easily in the channels here, but that person hasn't even tried to ask in those channels
when you start getting those messages at 4am, every other night, it's annoying
narrow jungle
comes with the territory of being popular
most of us plebs dont have this problem π
i'm a believer of trying to reason with people first
if that can't be done there are tools for dealing with them, or they should be improved
if getting a message at 4am is a problem maybe the notification system needs to get smarter or an way to set yourself as zZzZ
this is a global community i think
if the problem is that people don't have proper etiquette we should fix this instead of inventing 'anti measures'
vast tusk
Right, which is why we were planning on adding a rule. In my opinion, that is all that's needed.
rich sky
Aye, I figured I wasn't the only one. So just wanted to bring it up. And like @gritty lotus had said, the issue isn't that we don't want to help anyone, it's just they should be using the public channels first. If I don't know a person and they just happen to see me help folks the public channels, their current assumption (and it's not everyone) is okay, that person is the go-to person to get help from, so why waste my time in public channels if I am just going to get ignored.
I will gladly help anyone who PMs me if we had been clogging up a certain channel trying to resolve something. That at least makes sense. Obviously it would be nice if they ask before the PM, but I rarely will turn them away.
The biggest reason I dislike PMs regardless, is that a lot of folks miss out on the conversations and could have learned something from it.
Also. And I want to bring this up. Especially with the new channels.... Please make it a simple rule that everyone should Search inside Discord first.
If not a hard rule. A hard suggestion.
I see the same questions being asked throughout the week. If we don't want to tell folks, go Google it (although sometimes that's all I do to get them a link they can click on), then at least let's use Discord to it's fullest potential.
silk tulip
if you don't want direct DMs
turn this off
/end
no stupid server rules needed just turn off the client side option you all have
"at least let's use Discord to it's fullest potential." agreed.
don't make client issues server community issues and move on
rich sky
Nah man
You didn't read everything we said
I don't want to have 10000000000 friends on here
silk tulip
too bad?
rich sky
I shouldn't need to add friends to just PM with people that want to
silk tulip
like legit this is not something a server community should deal with
silk tulip
lol
rich sky
It's something people want to see happen π
Anyway, it's really a common courtesy type of thing
rich sky
internet etiquette if you will.
silk tulip
you never pose problems without solutions
thats the rule of posing a problem
always bring a solution
silk tulip
"make it a rule and ban people" is a bad solution
rich sky
Who said that?
silk tulip
rich sky
The main point is, that it's an issue
silk tulip
main point we need to work on categories and get channels first.
rich sky
?
Duh...
I have been the #1 advocate of that since day 1
And it's coming this weekend.
So, next issues
That need to go on the drawing board
silk tulip
counting the egg before it hatches?
silk tulip
That's not a solution though?
rich sky
And there's really no point of not doing it at this point though.
So much of the legwork was taken care of by us
Solution of what?
rich sky
Then they shouldn't make promises they can't keep π
silk tulip
but it will probably happen and I have confedence in them
rich sky
But I do agree.
silk tulip
you just need to be prepared to roll with these punches a bit
it will help the community not be as violitile.
volitile*
volatile* (third times the charm right?)
rich sky
Huh? What punches? lol
silk tulip
like server categories
silk tulip
there is already tools to handle the issue you have. Just block people who PM you that you don't like
rich sky
https://giphy.com/gifs/stop-trump-never-9eLbjOcGOpmY8 now they have this lame one
I can't find the good one anymore
The one that didn't have "joke"
Dude, block
silk tulip
like legit I do not get DMed and i've had this option on since this started.
rich sky
Why do I have to block people?
silk tulip
lol because it is
silk tulip
because if you actually think of it for two moments
rich sky
Society is the way it is because of "just because"
silk tulip
you realize the issue is much easier handled on the client side
which is why you should handle it
rich sky
Which is why a simple rule or suggestion would help at least alleviate some issues?
What they need to do
Is do what Allar does
and don't let ANYONE type stuff until they have read the rules
Or even see anything
rich sky
?
silk tulip
and was able to type
rich sky
How long?
silk tulip
didn't even realize he had this system
rich sky
How long ago?
silk tulip
I just joined
silk tulip
oh I can only type in intros
rich sky
to type right?
silk tulip
right
rich sky
lol
silk tulip
right but he vets them himself right?
rich sky
No
Once you type, you're good
Type an intro
The bot will auto-unlock for you
Basically give you a role
"ReadRules"
or something
It's a pretty ingenious system tbh
silk tulip
whats the point in that?
silk tulip
like it just made me type literally ANYTHING into the intro channel?
rich sky
And prevent spamming
silk tulip
but its all automated
rich sky
Aye
silk tulip
like I could write a spam bot to do this?
rich sky
Meh, but you didn't know about it
So, unless you read the rules
You'd be wondering wtf
silk tulip
Unless I skim the rules
silk tulip
yeah the join cool downs
rich sky
Yeah, that's pretty nifty too
silk tulip
that stuff is no different
silk tulip
in some cases
rich sky
But, you have to type an intro
rich sky
which means you have had to have read the rules
silk tulip
there are also things like levels
so you can track how much someone talks
and then give them higher levels on that
silk tulip
but as discord doesn't support this https://feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-land/suggestions/31200028-add-a-server-setting-to-disallow-private-messages?page=2&per_page=20 it's all pretty moot
silk tulip
seeing its just suggested last month
rich sky
All I wanted was a simple rule or suggestion on the #more-resources page
silk tulip
Use email
silk tulip
Good. Your email should be the place for it
I don't accept any offers via discord that seems insane
silk tulip
laws on instant messaging is iffy and it can't keep good reconds
rich sky
I mean, I post my offers on Discord, so why wouldn't I use it for communication?
silk tulip
emails will allow you to archive and submit to courts as evidence
rich sky
That's why you use NDAs and Contracts π
silk tulip
they count as actual oral contracts in WA state
yes but contracts and NDA doesn't cover everything
rich sky
?
silk tulip
and while the intention of the NDA or contract is worded one way emails are worded another
rich sky
What wouldn't they cover that you didn't want to cover after having one drafted up?
silk tulip
Such as details of the system you are building may change slightly
technically one person could say that doesn't meet the specs of the original contract
and you then have to re do the contract which means different prices
anyways email for that stuff is all around way better legally
silk tulip
how many times you been to court over this stuff?
rich sky
If I quote someone a price. and I underestimate. My fault. I'll do better next time.
Same for accepting quotes.
Once the contract is signed by both parties. Mum's the word.
Why would anyone want to bother with court?
Let's be real.
90% of cases get settled out of court.
silk tulip
maybe, no one really has stats on that
but either way instant messaging is legally a mess
where emails can be tracked
and bounce through email servers
thus can be verified
and have a track record of being accepted in courts
IMs sadly are different according to ryan morission
which is who advises me
rich sky
He's just one lawyer
While I think he's pretty cool.
He's not always right.
And he's not a judge
Anyway
We totally derailed this channel by now, I gotta get back to work π
silk tulip
sure feel free to get advice from any lawyer I suspect they would say the same
either way the fact is that this whole DM thing is silly
just turn off dms for this server.
turn on DMs for other mutual servers you trust
result is literally "Adding a setting to disallow private messages to users if their only mutual server is ours"
Additionally this system allows you disallow other servers
which the other doesn't
so with the suggestion ANY other mutual server is enough to message you
where the current implemenation is actually better and allows you to choose your circle of trusted servers
gritty lotus
if I turn of DMs for the server, users who need to contact me will not be able to
drowsy oxide
We have discussed it internally and we have no desire to alter the DM behaviour for the Server as the cons far outweight the pros. If you wish to not be DMed by other users please use the already built in means of controlling the DM permissions.
drowsy oxide
^^
slender blade
So you're not even doing a rule to prevent people PM'ing others for absolutely no reason at all?
deft raft
We won't enforce any rules for DMing. If people contact you without you wanting it, either ignore them, block them or deactivate the setting for the server.
If you need people to contact you, add them as "friends".
As long as Discord is not adjusting any of its features for this, you'll have to use their feature request system.
You are free to discuss this here, however we won't add any rules regarding this.
daring raven
Can there be a model channel?
drowsy oxide
An model channel?
#graphics should be enough, we are working on further improvements to the channels coming in the future.
strong tide
^ "Soon(tm)" XD π
deft raft
@strong tide Yus, sooner than you might think.
sleek warren
Most thought the day groups got here or day after that ;-p
deft raft
@sleek warren hm?
sleek warren
I mean, every other discord server I am in, implemented groups same day or day after
ok, polycount and zbrush excluded
just referring to your "sooner than you might think" as most would have thought it would have happened many weeks ago already π
I personally don't even want complicated groups, I'd be fine with simple split of UE4 dev and UE4 community
deft raft
Fair enough. However we had other things to sort out first, such as new Moderators.
I don't think the Categories are worth all the poking you peeps do.
We will implement them today/tomorrow, what ever your timezone is.
Half of you will probably riot cause the channel they wanted isn't in, or another channel is in that they don't think is needed.
Not the easiest thing to satisfy 7k people
sleek warren
yeah, I don't really like them on most servers, hence mentioning I'd prefer those to be kept simple
elfin scarab
This is like real life, in a democracy is imposible having everyone happy lol
deft raft
Yus, that's why we actually took time and went over all categories and channels a few times
slender blade
x3
I've gotten over my category excitement, I don't use them anyway most of the time
silk tulip
I will say this and I feel I am not alone. If you make category's confusing or obfuscated or simply too complex. It will certainly hurt the community. I saw a bunch of BAD category systems in fact there is a studio discord with HORRIBLE categories I am in that simply just make me want to quit the entire thing.
I will say one thing: If your category matches a channel name then you are doing it completely wrong.
or if you mix voice channels and text channels into the same groups
In fact would rather have this old way than a new shitty way on top of that would rather take our time.
So server guys doing it right by ensuring our categories aren't a load of absolute crap.
cause I don't want to play lets find the correct "supports" channel or the correct "developer" channel
drowsy oxide
Rest assured that we have put alot of discussion and thought into the new layout. It is designed to be as user friendly as possible so that everyone is able to figure out where the best place to ask for support is.
Once the new layout is in place we will certainly be keeping our ears open to community feedback on changes that may need to occur. It is not set in stone and will be open to change.
silk tulip
for sure. My main point was that I would rather see the time and the freeze on this feature than slating against communities for being slow to implement it
deft raft
I tend to ignore people that want to rush us. Idc about other communities. No one is forcing anyone to be here and if people think they want to leave cause we haven't added categories yet then I won't stop them.
Things happen when they happen.
I got a friend over who will leave tomorrow evening. So then I have time to implement the final categories list we made
slow belfry
I think there should be roles so people can say what theyre most familiar with.
I am a game Designer, Scripter, and a Student. Another person might say they are a Technical Artist and a Professional. Another may be a Sound/Audio Developer and another could be a 3D Artist. I would then know that I can ask these people questions pertaining to those fields, and when they offer advice or solutions I would know more about the person giving the info. Recruiting would be easier also.
drowsy oxide
Ive seen an system like that before and it seems to work well in smaller communities. We are pushing 10k members. The idea is good but lets assume that 80% of the server population takes the Designer roll, you lose the impact of that roll (at least thats my take on that type of system). We believe that the new channel update coming imminently will releave some issues with being able to find appropriate responses to peoples questions.
deft raft
Yus, I got asked to let Nick do the update. He wanted to do it yesterday, however refactored the list another time and said to bring the update on Tuesday. So for me that's today. Sorry for the extra delay.
rich sky
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rich sky
not bad not bad
crude violet
Blueprint is not under programming? So if I don't want to see other channels (mute them) and leave Blueprints when there are no unread messages it disappears... π€
crude violet
It does reappear when there are new messages but kind of weird.
rich sky
Yes
you have category of Programming hidden
so, anytime there are no messages, it will disappear until there are new msgs
meh
they are doing it in alphabetical order now π
crude violet
So if it's collapsed it will act as if the channel is muted? o_O
crude violet
... interesting.
rich sky
If you really want to hide channels
you need to mute them
and get rid of them
Yeah, not sure what Discord was thinking tbh
crude violet
Yeah I did but I don't want to mute BP, but then when I collapse the category (to not view muted channels) BP disappears too. π
rich sky
You would figure that if someone collasped a category